#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-03-01

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[0:01] <mfa298> well that hopefully means a lifetime of non-buggy pis for most of us then :)
[0:01] <HrdwrBoB> hahaahahaha
[0:01] <HrdwrBoB> life without bugs isn't life
[0:02] <HrdwrBoB> because that's not how it works
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[0:04] <redrabbit> should be bug free its the same wifi chip
[0:05] <redrabbit> i have 0 issues with the rpi3 wifi, it's supposed to be just as good
[0:06] <Voop> its the same chipset
[0:06] <redrabbit> the antenna is bit different
[0:06] <redrabbit> same wifi chip
[0:07] <Voop> certainly worth $10
[0:09] <redrabbit> should get mine soon
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[0:10] <Voop> ya i just realized they're already available
[0:10] <Voop> ordering now
[0:10] <redrabbit> ordered one right away cause who knows how long they are gonna be easy to order
[0:10] <oq> I'm more interested in that new case
[0:10] <Voop> i give it 20 minutes
[0:10] <redrabbit> in the next months
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[0:11] <redrabbit> oq: for the camera hole ?
[0:11] <oq> ye
[0:12] <redrabbit> im gonna get a 1$ case and drill one
[0:12] <redrabbit> :')
[0:12] <redrabbit> got the pimoroni case for my zero W
[0:14] <Voop> pi zero cases are stupid
[0:14] <Voop> the zero doesnt need a case
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[0:18] <Chillum> Voop: it does when I throw it running into my pocket with my keys
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[0:20] <hmoney> cases for the pis are useful as far as static and such
[0:20] <hmoney> but most pi zero cases are $5+ and the zero is only $5, so i dont usually use cases for my zeros
[0:21] <Chillum> $2 laser cut sheets on the top and bottom are enough for most use cases, just so it can sit on a conductive surface safely
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[0:21] * hmoney looks to left, looks to right, remembers he doesn't own a laser cutter
[0:21] <hmoney> :x
[0:22] <Chillum> neither do I
[0:22] <Chillum> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/132092143820 this is what I use
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[0:22] <Chillum> $1.12, even cheaper than when I bought it
[0:23] <Voop> the thing is $5
[0:23] <Voop> its pretty resilient
[0:23] <Voop> but if it does break its only $5
[0:23] <Chillum> and really a pi zero is closer to $10 than $5
[0:24] <Voop> im not going to spend $5 to protect $5
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[0:24] <ali1234> not everyone just has it on their desk you know
[0:24] <Chillum> since you can only buy one and have to pay shipping one at a time
[0:24] <Voop> thats like when sponge bob bought a fake dollar to trick his friends into thinking he had a real dollar
[0:24] <Voop> he bought it for $1
[0:24] <Chillum> $1.12 shipped for a case to protect a computer that costs me $10 shipped, not a bad deal
[0:25] <Chillum> plus it is very stylish
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[0:25] <Voop> Chillum: that new case is only $1.12?
[0:25] <Chillum> ya http://www.ebay.ca/itm/132092143820
[0:25] <Chillum> shipped
[0:25] <Voop> theres no way
[0:25] <Chillum> it is just two small bits of acrylic sheeting
[0:26] <Voop> oh thought you meant the new one
[0:26] <Chillum> it is not waterproof or anything but will stop you from shorting or scratching it
[0:26] <Voop> thats just two peices of acrylic
[0:26] <Chillum> yup
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[0:26] <Chillum> it is my favourite case of all I have tried
[0:26] <Chillum> nice and small
[0:26] <Chillum> most others are too bulky
[0:26] <Voop> well for $1.12 i guess its ok
[0:27] <Chillum> the gpio cutout fits the female socket header
[0:27] <Chillum> not all cases do
[0:28] <hmoney> <n4x0r> the entire security model of home networks is based around NATs
[0:28] * hmoney giggles
[0:28] <Chillum> and the male socket header with the border around it
[0:28] <Chillum> lol
[0:28] <Chillum> I love it when people think their router secures the
[0:28] <Chillum> m
[0:28] <hmoney> <n4x0r> which is why embedded devices are littered with vulns that never get fixed because the company says "oh well thats irrelevant, youd have to get past the NAT first"
[0:29] <hmoney> somehow he thinks NAT = firewall
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[0:29] <Chillum> consumer routers are cobbled collections of ancient software full of bugs
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[0:29] <ali1234> NAT does = firewall. specifically it is a form of stateful packet inspection
[0:29] <hmoney> ?
[0:29] <hmoney> no it doesnt
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[0:29] <ali1234> the problem is that firewall != secure
[0:29] <Chillum> most have just enough OS(busybox) to make injection attacks fruitful
[0:30] <hmoney> nat is just allowing multiple internal ips to use the same external ip
[0:30] <Chillum> what with weak WPA passwords, and vulnerable WPS implementations
[0:30] <ali1234> yeah, how do you think that works?
[0:30] <Chillum> most routers are easier to crack than a boiled peanut
[0:30] <ali1234> how do you think port forwarding works, for that matter?
[0:30] <hmoney> i think tuples are used to create a firewall?
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[0:31] <Chillum> a lot of routers will open up ports on request if you simulate and IRC connection and do a start DCC command
[0:31] <hmoney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation
[0:31] <Chillum> you can serve a http link that does it
[0:31] <Chillum> it is a feature
[0:31] <ali1234> yep
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[0:31] <hmoney> NAT != firewall man
[0:31] <ali1234> yeah, okay
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[0:32] <Chillum> you can also punch through by having both sides pretend they are having a conversation, the router assumes it forgot about it due to memory limits and opens it
[0:32] <Chillum> really they are the equivalent of locking your bike with wire hold closed with bubble gum
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[0:33] * hmoney gets out the juicy fruit
[0:33] <Chillum> ahhh, one of the last remaining true bubble gums
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[0:39] <Voop> hmoney: is that a brand of gum
[0:39] <Voop> or a playstation one game
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[1:01] <Ad0> DMA efforts are started on bigger SPI transfers
[1:01] <Ad0> >= 96 bytes
[1:02] <Ad0> maybe I should add 93 bytes in every request
[1:02] <Ad0> LOL.
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[1:07] <BurtyB> Ad0, DMA takes time to setup so possibly not worth it for smaller transfers
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[1:08] <Ad0> I guess not
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[1:14] <Ad0> it runs polling on short requests
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[1:15] <Ad0> now it runs a tad slower but takes less CPU
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[1:19] <Ad0> nah to achieve the same rate and the same result it takes about the same CPU
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[1:22] <Ad0> in short: it's no use trying to trick the driver
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[2:13] <gennro> i bought a rpi3 for pi day
[2:14] <CoJaBo> I have 3
[2:15] <CoJaBo> 3 3's, 2 2's, 1 1
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[2:16] <leftyfb> I think I own close to 20 different pi's
[2:16] <leftyfb> got 2x pi zero's in front of me. Using 1 to build a pigrrl
[2:17] <leftyfb> oh, also got a pi3 with a sense hat on it in front of me
[2:17] <leftyfb> and I'm not even at home :)
[2:17] <s3nd1v0g1us> have you built a tor proxy box before leftyfb?
[2:17] <leftyfb> s3nd1v0g1us: no
[2:17] <leftyfb> s3nd1v0g1us: I don't have a need for one
[2:17] <s3nd1v0g1us> fair enough
[2:18] <leftyfb> in most cases that are legitimate, they don't really give you what you think
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[2:19] <s3nd1v0g1us> i would think not. if i wanted anonymity i would use tails at an insternet cafe.
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[2:20] <leftyfb> s3nd1v0g1us: how sure are you that that cafe doesn't have cameras?
[2:20] <s3nd1v0g1us> thats a bit more secure. then at least if your tor box fails, your not at home.
[2:20] <leftyfb> or the street outside it
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[2:21] <gennro> yeah this will make my 4th one
[2:21] <s3nd1v0g1us> again, if i wanted anonymity, i would likely have already chosen the cafe that doesnt have a video feed
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[2:22] <s3nd1v0g1us> i was just interested in the challenge of building/coding such a device
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[2:23] <leftyfb> s3nd1v0g1us: not really much of a challenge these days. There's complete tutorials online. Shouldn't take you more than anywhere from 10 minutes to an hour depending on your skillset. Hell, I'm willing to bet there's already a pi image for one
[2:23] <s3nd1v0g1us> i wouldnt be suprised.
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[2:36] <gennro> anyone ever see a 4 wire DS18B20?
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[2:39] <s3nd1v0g1us> im trying to decide what to do with mine. i was thinking about turning it into a server.
[2:39] <s3nd1v0g1us> i also purchased the gaio expansion
[2:39] <s3nd1v0g1us> and the breadboard
[2:39] <leftyfb> s3nd1v0g1us: you know "server" can mean many hundreds of things
[2:39] <gennro> I set up one of mine as a pihole/pivpn server yesterday
[2:39] <s3nd1v0g1us> and i have an old STAMP that i could utilize as well
[2:40] <redrabbit> s3nd1v0g1us: you should wear gloves at that internet cafe
[2:40] <redrabbit> and a tin foil hat
[2:40] <redrabbit> so you dont spread your dna and stuff
[2:40] <s3nd1v0g1us> no one is at a cafe dude. leftyfb kept suggesting hypotheticals.
[2:41] <s3nd1v0g1us> i was only asking if he had ever made a tor proxy box
[2:41] <redrabbit> what makes you think im not hypothetically
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[2:53] <NGC300> howdy guys.
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[3:03] <gennro> hi
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[7:30] <samy^> mm pi
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[7:41] <Valduare> got myself the new pi0-w
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[7:44] <Drzacek> Morning pi pips
[7:45] <Drzacek> Valduare, great, tell us how it works once you test it
[7:45] <Valduare> should be same but with wifi
[7:45] <Valduare> same wifi/bluetooth as pi3
[7:45] <Valduare> diff antenna
[7:47] <Drzacek> never tried bluetooth on my pi3, but wifi works very stable
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[7:50] <Drzacek> so if pi0 with wifi won't have any weird issues, this could be great replacement for rpi3
[7:50] <Valduare> only for applications that dont need the speed of pi3
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[7:52] <Drzacek> true, but there are many projects out there that doesn't need heavy-duty cpu
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[8:20] <brainzap> Good Morning
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[8:29] <Drzacek> morning brainzap
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[9:34] <password4> right , lol
[9:34] <password4> at work we are not allowed to use the NOOBS installer , because our boss thinks it takes up extraspace and does not install raspbian
[9:35] <gordonDrogon> password4, just install the raspbian image directly then ...
[9:36] <password4> tell that to teh noob next to me
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[9:36] <gordonDrogon> it's no harder, really.
[9:36] <password4> he used rufus to /prepare/ the flash
[9:36] <gordonDrogon> the instructions on the raspberrypi.org site are relatively ok.
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[9:56] <sasha> hello
[9:56] <sasha> i'm having some trouble interfacing i2c
[9:56] <sasha> when I run 'sudo i2cdetect -y 1', the device shows up
[9:56] <sasha> however when i run my code, i get 'Error accessing 0x40: Check your I2C address'
[9:56] <sasha> any ideas?
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[10:05] <dconroy> has anyone ever launched a product based on rpi’s? I am doing a small research project where i need to distribute about 50 or so.
[10:06] <dconroy> trying to figure out the best way to inventory them, and tie the pis to the end user
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[10:07] <gordonDrogon> dconroy, lots of stuff based on the CM (Comput module) - one big advertising screen maker recently.
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> sasha, what language are you writing in?
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[10:08] <dconroy> does your product require tieing the CM to an identity/person
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> it's not my product.
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> I do bespoke stuff for clients, not stuff for general sale.
[10:09] <sasha> @gordonDrogon Python3
[10:10] <sasha> but I figured it out - one of the pins wasn't hooked up correctly :)
[10:10] <sasha> thanks for the help
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> if you want to tracks the Pi's, then each one has a unique serial number - grep Serial /proc/cpuinfo
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> sasha, sorry - I don't do Python.
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> sasha, however - what's the device out of curiosity?
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[10:11] <sasha> @gordonDrogon https://www.adafruit.com/product/815
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> sasha, ah, ok. one day I'l lwrite a wiringPi driver for that...
[10:12] <sasha> oh wow are you the dev of wigingPi?
[10:12] <sasha> *wiringPi
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[10:14] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[10:14] <sasha> awesome! I remember some of my first code was using your library :D
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> excellent :)
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[10:30] <Hanonim> gordonDrogon: Hi Gordon, how are you ?
[10:30] <Hanonim> gordonDrogon: I wrote a clojure lib that depends (partly) on wiringPi https://github.com/dvlopt/pi4clj
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> Hanonim, hi.
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> I know nothing about pi4j. really nothing.
[10:34] <Hanonim> gordonDrogon: It's java. They wrote a whole sort of framework but it's bloated. I got rid of almost everything but kept the C bindings they wrote to wiringPi.
[10:34] <Hanonim> So yeah, it's using pi4j code, but mostly to reach wiringPi :)
[10:35] <Hanonim> And clojure is a lisp running on the java virtual machine, it's quite awesome
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> might as well code in C then ;-)
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[10:36] <Hanonim> Not really because clojure is really awesome to work with. Plus, my programs will do more than handling GPIO, C isn't very productive in this regard
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[10:37] <Hanonim> Anyway, I though you might interested to know about this
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[10:40] <gordonDrogon> thanks. althougj java & lisp are really not my thing.
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[10:43] <Hanonim> yes, but it's another work based on yours, so thanks for all !
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[11:14] <euoia> Pi HATs... do you need to buy the risers separately?
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[11:16] <BurtyB> euoia, depends on the HAT really
[11:18] <ali1234> you nearly always have to buy the separatey
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[11:21] <euoia> ok, thanks
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[14:30] <hypermist> damn technology i wanna buy so many pi0's
[14:30] <hypermist> xD
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[14:33] <Drzacek> whats greed has to do with technology
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[14:36] <testus> Now that RPi0W is out, what are some cool things that you guys will do with it?
[14:37] <BurtyB> pray it reproduces
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[14:40] <pwillard> Simpler designs... I currently have bulky zero wiring installed in a box stuffed with a small hub so I can have wifi plugged in. No need for external wifi... project is over 50% smaller
[14:40] <oq> testus: gonna put my pi noir camera inside the new case
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[14:57] <testus> Nice. I will firstly sell my RPi0 and buy RPi0W, then I will try to find a way to make Mycroft run well on it.
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[14:58] <testus> So that I make something that will be to the main Mycroft unit what Echo Dot is to Amazon Echo
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[15:00] <testus> If I manage to get Mycroft working on one RPi0W, then I buy 5 more and extend WiFi to cover my whole house.
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[15:07] <Emil> Hey
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[15:07] <Emil> How can I have raspistill rotate the image without cropping?
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[15:12] <hypermist> Drzacek, everything :p
[15:12] <Emil> since raspistill -rot 90 -o file.jpg also crops and zooms
[15:12] <Emil> But I just want a portrait mode picture
[15:13] <hypermist> now i need to hoard 5 Pi0W's XD
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[15:30] <Emil> Best solution I found was to install jheah, which brings jpegtran with it and then do jpegtran -rotate 90 if > of
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[15:34] <oq> testus: is a pi0 even worth selling..?
[15:34] <oq> testus: a brand new one can be bought for £5
[15:35] <testus> I plan to sell it for 3-4 EUR, just to cover postage for RPi0W :)
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[15:35] <gordonDrogon> keyrings - I have one as a keyring thing.
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[15:46] <EDinNY> I still can't get to Google.com with the browser. Pings OK, but the browser says www.google.com sent an invalid response.
[15:46] <EDinNY> ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR
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[15:47] <EDinNY> I install Raspian the normal way. Google works fine. Apt-get udate, upgrade, autoremove, and google is broken every time on multiple RPs
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[15:53] <EDinNY> Oh! localization fixed it!
[15:53] <Emil> What do you guys use to stream low latency video?
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[15:55] <gordonDrogon> kodi seems to work for me...
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[16:07] <oq> Emil: netcat
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[16:18] <Emil> oq: how about to multiple clients?
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[16:24] <oq> Emil: dunno :/
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[16:28] <mfa298> Emil: if they're on the same lan you might be able to use vlc/ffmpeg and stream usp to a multicast group
[16:28] <mfa298> not sure what the latency is like, it's been a while since I've done that setup
[16:28] <EDinNY> Emil, I am using the RP to stream video over Windows networking to Kodi running on my Amazon FireTV.
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[16:41] <oq> mfa298: vlc had fairly high latency last time I tried it
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[17:02] <pabgan> hello everyone. I would like to use a RPI Zero W to make my printer wireless. Is there any way to make the PI get the power from the Printer so I do not need another plug?
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[17:03] <ali1234> maybe
[17:03] <ali1234> some printers have a USB host port for flash drive
[17:03] <ali1234> you can use that
[17:03] <bantone> yeah that should give it enough power
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[17:04] <pabgan> hmmm i don't think this one has an extra usb
[17:04] <pabgan> is it not possible to get the power from the same usb port it uses to communicate?
[17:04] <ali1234> yes
[17:05] <ali1234> it is possible
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[17:05] <ali1234> but only if the printer is badly designed
[17:05] <pabgan> ugh
[17:05] <pabgan> haha
[17:05] <pabgan> this is not the worst designed printer i have met
[17:06] <pabgan> https://www.amazon.es/TP-Link-TL-WPS510U-Servidor-impresi%C3%B3n-blanco/dp/B001LIJYMA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488384204&sr=8-1&keywords=wireless+print+server <-- this thing looks like it does not have a power cable, am I wrong?
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[17:06] <oq> usb printers are typically meant to act as a device not a host machine
[17:07] <ali1234> i am going to do a project like this with my old HP
[17:07] <ali1234> but i will just find a handy 5V line inside it and use that
[17:07] <ali1234> it does not have USB
[17:07] <pabgan> is that one badly designed?
[17:07] <pabgan> oh, i see
[17:08] <ali1234> no, it is incredibly well designed, that is why it still works perfectly after 30+ years
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[17:09] <pabgan> yep, mine is the first one that does what I told it to do. That's why i'd like to extend its life. But electronics are beyond my skills ... I'm a software and cable plugging guy
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[17:09] <oq> pabgan: that wireless printer server thing has its own 3.3v power supply
[17:09] <oq> https://img.misco.eu/resources/images/products//100/TPI/TL/TL-WPS510U/TL-WPS510U_5_1600x1600.jpg
[17:10] <pabgan> oh
[17:10] <pabgan> alright
[17:11] <pabgan> thanks everyone!
[17:12] <oq> pabgan: another thing to be aware of that not all printer manufacturers provide arm drivers
[17:12] <oq> for example, my printer, a brother, doesn't have any
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[17:20] <mfa298> oq: I think it's adjustable, but it's been a while since I've done a setup like that with vlc.
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[18:34] <ali1234> i just saw something interesting on ebay
[18:34] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Zero-GBZ-Original-Grey-Nintendo-Game-Boy-DMG-01-Classic-Housing-Case-Shell-GMZ-/182448888289?hash=item2a7acd19e1:g:HMkAAOSwjDZYm3qV
[18:34] <ali1234> notice that it comes with four buttons
[18:34] <ali1234> even though that model of gameboy only had two
[18:34] <ali1234> and the case only has two holes
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> there wa sa limited edition released recently.
[18:35] <ali1234> actually it even says on the picture "perfect for ... retro pi"
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> oh, hang on .game boy. am I think of the NES ...
[18:35] <ali1234> yeah... basically the people selling these replacement shells have figured out why we are buying them
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01IFJEWTM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> yes, I was thinking of the NES.
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> yea, still - �25.. probably a bit steep for the plastic..
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[18:48] <leftyfb> ali1234: there are mods to install 4 buttons on the gameboy
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[18:49] <leftyfb> ali1234: http://sudomod.com and http://www.deadpanrobot.co.uk/en-gb/collections/game-boy-zero
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[19:14] <Henkka> how does zero handle camera live feed to graphical desktop window?
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[19:15] <shiftplusone> Henkka: Could you rephrase the question?
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[19:18] <Henkka> i mean if I record video with raspberry zero and watch it directly
[19:18] <Henkka> will I see 'video' or 'powerpoint presentation'
[19:19] <oq> of course you'll see video
[19:20] <shiftplusone> depends on the software
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[19:20] <shiftplusone> omxplayer, for example, will give you silky smooth video.
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[19:26] <redrabbit> i haven't used the gui aspect of the pi much, is there a way to view youtube 1080p now ?
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[19:28] <shiftplusone> yes and no
[19:29] <redrabbit> without downloading them
[19:29] <redrabbit> i know you can download them then play in proper player but meh
[19:29] <redrabbit> :)
[19:29] <shiftplusone> still yes and no. Some work has been done to try to get chromium to be more sensible about video playback, but it's still not as good as using omxplayer to play the video.
[19:30] <redrabbit> for all the non video stuff, i was pretty impressed with the perfs
[19:30] <shiftplusone> There is also a chromium plugin by kusti which automatically passes the video to omxplayer so you don't have to manually download it.
[19:31] <shiftplusone> So, you can play SD video fine if you don't maximise the window without any lag, using the currently shipped version of chromium.
[19:31] <shiftplusone> But if you want full screen HD video, you're still better off using something like kusti's plugin.
[19:33] <redrabbit> yep it worked up to 480 in windowed mode
[19:33] <redrabbit> that plugin could be interesting
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[19:45] <xon_dk> hey, anyone using the unicorn hat? trying to find a case that will fit it and raspberry pi 3 b
[19:45] <xon_dk> anyone know which would fit?
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[20:10] <Smeef> What would I have to do if I wanted my raspberry pi to display its IP address somewhere on the desktop, so that as soon as it boots into the OS, I can tell what IP address is has without having to interact with it, like needing to open a terminal window and do an ifconfig?
[20:10] <Smeef> by OS, I mean Raspbian
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[20:13] <Smeef> I'm thinking something like a widget, or having the IP embedded in the background image, I have a low res display, so putting it in the menu bar won't work, it has to be in large text centered on the background, so that it also won't cover any open windows
[20:14] <shiftplusone> Smeef: avahi/bonjour
[20:14] <shiftplusone> Smeef: what are you trying to connect from?
[20:14] <shiftplusone> you could use conky
[20:14] <Armand> +1 conky
[20:14] <Smeef> Thanks, I'll check it out
[20:15] <Armand> http://gallery.baked-pi.co.uk/var/albums/desktop2.png?m=1487938205
[20:15] <Armand> ^_^
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[20:34] <kuter> hello, I have problem with raspberry pi 3 .. there is no hdmi signal during boot. I have no os installed on my sd card
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[20:34] <leftyfb> kuter: then that is your problem
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> ^
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> you need "stuff" on the SD card.
[20:34] <leftyfb> kuter: the raspberry pi does not boot or show anything on the screen if there is no OS on the sd card or if there is no sd card inserted
[20:35] <shiftplusone> kuter: the reply to your first sentence is your last sentence.
[20:35] <leftyfb> kuter: I'm curious as to why you expected anything else
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> it doesn't have a BIOS like PCs, etc.
[20:35] <kuter> afair there was a rainbow color splash at the very begin
[20:36] <leftyfb> kuter: negative
[20:36] <leftyfb> kuter: not without an OS
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> kuter, only when it loads the bootloader off the SD card.
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[20:36] <mfa298> that comes from some of the firmware loaded from the SD card
[20:37] <kuter> actually I'm on linux and there is no app like sd formater
[20:37] <shiftplusone> you don't need it
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> you don't need to format, just 'dd' the raspbian image to the SD card and off you go.
[20:37] <kuter> I've made partition 1,1 GB then format as a vfat ..
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[20:37] <shiftplusone> those are instructions to install NOOBS
[20:38] <mfa298> for raspbian just use dd over the whole sd card, it includes the partitioning etc.
[20:38] <kuter> ok I'm going to try with raspbian
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[20:40] <kuter> just to be sure that my rp3 isnt broken ;)
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[20:41] <leftyfb> I swear NOOBS makes things worse for people new to this
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[20:41] <kuter> well I found "Format the entire disk as FAT32 (FAT16 will not work! Make sure you select the correct disk!)"
[20:42] <leftyfb> it requires more work and more complication and takes longer to get a running OS on it
[20:42] <leftyfb> kuter: you do not need to format your SD card
[20:42] <kuter> yep I know that .. but let's get back to NOOBS for a while .. ;)
[20:42] <ali1234> it's always the case with supposedly "simplified" linux systems
[20:43] <leftyfb> kuter: sudo dd if=2017-02-16-raspbian-jessie.zip of=/dev/sd(PUT LETTER OF YOUR SD CARD HERE) bs=1M
[20:43] <leftyfb> kuter: why do you think you need NOOBS?
[20:43] <ali1234> if they were actually easier then we'd all be using them already
[20:43] <leftyfb> kuter: in the end, what OS do you plan on running?
[20:43] <leftyfb> kuter: btw, NOOBS is not an OS
[20:43] <ali1234> but they aren't, so we don't, and when people ask us for help we have no idea what to tell them
[20:43] <kuter> leftyfb: I would like to have loader like grub/lilo otb and choose between kodi/rasbpian and so on
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[20:44] <leftyfb> kuter: there is no grub/lilo for ARM
[20:44] <ali1234> there is u-boot though
[20:44] <kuter> leftyfb: I used to have raspbian/libreeelec installed with nobs
[20:44] <leftyfb> kuter: why not just use 2 sd cards?
[20:44] <shiftplusone> kuter: if you want to use NOOBS, have only one fat32 partition on the card and extract the NOOBS files there. That's all. You should see a recovery.elf and other files in the root of the partition.
[20:45] <leftyfb> kuter: also, you can just install kodi on raspbian and choose to run it or not run it
[20:45] <kuter> leftyfb: its hard to pick up sd card from my rp3 ;ppp
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[20:46] <kuter> thats why I like to have uboot ;)
[20:46] <leftyfb> kuter: yeah, way harder than what you're trying to accomplish now
[20:46] <kuter> as shiftplusone said .. I have to have fat32 partiton
[20:46] <kuter> docs says it ! ;)
[20:47] <leftyfb> I thought NOOBS installed whatever OS you picked. IF you booted back into it, it installed a different OS, removing the previous one. No?
[20:47] <ali1234> no
[20:47] <ali1234> it is a boot manager
[20:47] <kuter> leftyfb: of course not
[20:47] <shiftplusone> If you don't use NOOBS and dd the image, the fat32 partition (containing the kernel and firmware) will be created (it's contained within the image).
[20:47] <kuter> you can enter recovery by holding shift button
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[20:47] <kuter> install few os on one sd card
[20:48] <leftyfb> waste of space if you ask me
[20:48] <ali1234> you can even use the boot method it uses without installing noobs itself
[20:48] <ali1234> it is documented on github somewhere in a wiki
[20:48] <shiftplusone> reboot_part module parameter
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[20:49] <shiftplusone> actually, I am not seeing it, but I used it a few days ago... hmm
[20:49] <leftyfb> what does NOOBS use for a bootloader?
[20:49] <shiftplusone> might be another problem with 4.9 then.
[20:49] <kuter> uboot
[20:49] <shiftplusone> NOOBS does not use uboot
[20:49] <leftyfb> yeah, didn't think so
[20:50] <leftyfb> berryboot?
[20:50] <shiftplusone> Nope
[20:50] <shiftplusone> Berryboot is an alternative to NOOBS
[20:50] <shiftplusone> same dev
[20:50] <shiftplusone> NOOBS write the partition to reboot into register which survives reboots
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[20:50] <shiftplusone> Then the firmware knows which partition to load files from
[20:50] <kuter> thats why I mentioned about grub and lilo because I dont know the name
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[20:51] <leftyfb> ah, kinda acts like EFI
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[20:56] <kuter> leftyfb: EFI is something different
[20:56] <leftyfb> kuter: I know what EFI is.
[20:56] <shiftplusone> Looks like that parameter has moved with the switch to 4.9 and a different reset controller. In 4.4 and earlier, you could write to it with /sys/module/bcm2708/parameters/reboot_part
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[20:57] <kuter> leftyfb: and it is not bootloader :)
[20:58] <leftyfb> kuter: like I said, I know what EFI is
[21:00] <shiftplusone> The 4.9 way of doing it: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/pull/1668
[21:01] <kuter> ok guys, it was about patiton type .. I've set fat32 and it works like a charm .. thanks !
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[21:01] <shiftplusone> What was it before?
[21:01] <kuter> FAT16
[21:01] <shiftplusone> Should've worked as well, but alright.
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[21:02] <kuter> shiftplusone: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup <- what docs says
[21:02] <leftyfb> shiftplusone: doubt it, fat16 is limited to under 4G in partition size
[21:02] <leftyfb> sorry, 2G
[21:03] <shiftplusone> I'll try it
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[21:03] <leftyfb> if the partition is under 2G it should work, in theory
[21:03] <shiftplusone> Actually, I won't since it's a waste of time and I know FAT16 works since we used to use it for the raspbian boot partition. Perhaps the size of the partition is the issue, as you say.
[21:03] <kuter> leftyfb: partition was smaller than 2G
[21:04] <leftyfb> kuter: how much smaller?
[21:04] <kuter> it was 1,1
[21:04] <kuter> G
[21:05] <kuter> doesn't matter .. now it works :)
[21:05] <shiftplusone> For completeness and needless pedantry, technically, NOOBS is an OS. it's buildroot + linux + qt embedded with the recovery program. It's just not a general purpose OS. It has a shell you can use to unbork things and such.
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[21:06] <shiftplusone> you may wish to refer to https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation rather than elinux, where appropriate.
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[21:07] <brainzap> you may wish to invest all your free time into linux
[21:08] <leftyfb> brainzap: some of us do in fact
[21:08] <brainzap> these poor souls, I hope they can rest in peace
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[21:09] <leftyfb> brainzap: why do you say that?
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[21:10] <leftyfb> brainzap: you take pity in people enjoying the things they like to do with their free time?
[21:11] <brainzap> no but I hope they will not come back as evil ghosts
[21:11] <shiftplusone> If you don't go out and do the ~5 socially acceptable things you're allowed to do, you're wasting your time, right?
[21:12] <Smeef> I got it working using conky, now all I need is to have conky run on startup, do I add the command before or after the 'exit 0' line in rc.local?
[21:13] <leftyfb> Smeef: that's probably not going to work
[21:13] <shiftplusone> nope
[21:13] <leftyfb> Smeef: that will try to run conky as root in some other non-existing desktop session, not your desktop
[21:14] <shiftplusone> Smeef: https://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart
[21:14] <Smeef> ah, thanks, good thing I didn't try it yet :P
[21:14] <leftyfb> Smeef: it wouldn't have hurt anything, but it wouldn't have worked either
[21:14] <Smeef> ah, okay
[21:14] <leftyfb> Smeef: btw, things you put into rc.local should be before exit 0
[21:15] <Smeef> thanks, good to know
[21:15] <shiftplusone> echo "@conky parameters_and_such" >> ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE-pi/autostart
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[21:18] <kuter> anyone runs docker on raspbian ?
[21:20] <shiftplusone> Someone does.
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[21:24] <Smeef> It works!!!! Thanks shiftplusone and leftyfb!
[21:24] <shiftplusone> excellent
[21:25] <EDinNY> Some people here a few days ago were talking about high quality SDcards. What makes a car "high quality", and how much should they cost?
[21:25] <EDinNY> Assuming they are the same "class" should one name brand be as good as another?
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[21:26] <shiftplusone> SD cards aren't cars.
[21:26] <shiftplusone> Or was that a typo?
[21:27] <shiftplusone> I'll assume that was a typo and you weren't going for a confusing car analogy.
[21:28] <EDinNY> What makes the CARD high quality?
[21:29] <shiftplusone> Not a good answer, but I would say it's reliability, which you won't get from the marketing material.
[21:29] <shiftplusone> The official cards are affordable and reliable.
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[21:30] <leftyfb> shiftplusone: who makes them?
[21:30] <shiftplusone> There are really cheap ones which tend to either be fake or otherwise flawed. There are the expensive ones which try to get higher sequential read speeds and take shortcuts, which end up causing problems.
[21:30] <shiftplusone> leftyfb: I think they used to be samsung and are now sandisk, but that may change.
[21:31] <Smeef> Here's a photo of the conky thing working: http://i.imgur.com/d2VBscv.jpg
[21:32] <redrabbit> difference is gonna be class / U speed
[21:32] <redrabbit> there's up to class 10 then U1..U3..
[21:33] <shiftplusone> My opinion, not backed up by any real data, is that class 6 is better than class 10 for the pi.
[21:33] <redrabbit> U3 > U1 > Class 10 > Class 6 > Class 4 …
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[21:33] <redrabbit> how would it make sense
[21:33] <Simonious> how do I start scripts on boot?
[21:33] <redrabbit> any card will do imo, youll just have better speeds/not
[21:34] <EDinNY> So, if a cheap SD calls itself a 32G Samsung Class 10 or U1 (same speed), do you think they are counterfeit?
[21:34] <redrabbit> what's the price
[21:34] <shiftplusone> redrabbit: the class only tells you about sequential speeds, not what you would actually see in the real worlds. Manufacturers can take corners to maximise those speeds and advertise the card as faster than others.
[21:35] <EDinNY> $11
[21:35] <shiftplusone> There are some that don't implement the erase command properly, which causes them to become corrupted.
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[21:35] <redrabbit> what makes you think its fake
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[21:35] <leftyfb> Simonious: we just discussed this in here 15 minutes ago. Scroll up
[21:35] <shiftplusone> as an example. There are all kinds of problems related to timing that can arise.
[21:35] <redrabbit> actual retail price i saw around 15
[21:36] <Simonious> what is the rasbian service manager.. leftyfb oh..
[21:36] <EDinNY> so, $11 from Amazon might not be far off, redrabbit
[21:37] <EDinNY> Why do you think a class 6 is better?
[21:37] <redrabbit> shiftplusone: ok, but why class 6
[21:37] <redrabbit> ^^
[21:37] * redrabbit have a little bit of everything
[21:38] <ali1234> $11 is about right for U1 samsung
[21:38] <ali1234> they are £11 in UK
[21:39] <ali1234> after exchange rate and tax stuff, £1 = $1 usually
[21:39] <leftyfb> btw, do not get the sd cards from wish.com. Complete junk
[21:39] <ali1234> when buy tech stuff anyway
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[21:39] <EDinNY> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IVPU786/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[21:39] <redrabbit> i got 1 card off aliexpress for the fun
[21:39] <redrabbit> 3$ shipped
[21:39] <EDinNY> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DOB6Y5Q/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[21:39] <ali1234> "ships from and sold by amazon"
[21:39] <redrabbit> :D
[21:40] <redrabbit> 4gb class 10
[21:40] <ali1234> amazon arent going to knowingly rip you off
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[21:40] <redrabbit> yeah amazon dont ship fakes
[21:40] <redrabbit> 3rd pt vendors could
[21:40] <ali1234> it's not impossible but i'd say if they did, they would definitely rectify it
[21:40] <redrabbit> you can return it
[21:40] <ali1234> right
[21:40] <EDinNY> Easy to do returns
[21:40] <redrabbit> even if you used it
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[21:41] <redrabbit> i returned a graphic card i finished shadow warrior 2 with
[21:41] <redrabbit> got a better one anyway
[21:41] <shiftplusone> redrabbit: no good reason other than that's what the official ones are.
[21:41] <redrabbit> shiftplusone: ah
[21:42] <ali1234> someone did a benchmark once
[21:42] <redrabbit> i guess they picked class 6 for cost / performance ratio
[21:42] <ali1234> on the forums
[21:42] <ali1234> and they concluded that class 6 was faster than class 10 for random write
[21:42] <ali1234> for one card
[21:42] <ali1234> and now people recommend class 6 all the time
[21:42] <redrabbit> not scientific at all
[21:42] <redrabbit> :D
[21:42] <ali1234> not particularly no
[21:42] <redrabbit> i wouldnt recommand any class
[21:43] <shiftplusone> It's hard to make sweeping generalizations
[21:43] <redrabbit> just take what fits your needs
[21:43] <ali1234> i would recommend to buy the highest class you can
[21:43] <ali1234> they are usually cheaper anyway
[21:43] <shiftplusone> well, it's easy to make them... they're just not going to be valid.
[21:44] <oq> redrabbit: amazon definitely does ship fakes
[21:44] <oq> they mix their inventories with 3rd parties all the time
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[21:44] <ali1234> i suspect that all new class 6 cards now are really class 10 with a different package and a markup for having to design said packaging
[21:44] <redrabbit> ok oq
[21:44] <oq> "fullfilled by amazon" used to mean something 5 years ago with fakes.. not now
[21:44] <redrabbit> damn
[21:44] <shiftplusone> still better than aliexpress
[21:45] <oq> a million times better
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[21:45] <redrabbit> overall yes
[21:45] <redrabbit> i have got a good experience from aliexpress stuff so far though
[21:45] <oq> if you're really worried about fakes buy from a highstreet store
[21:45] <shiftplusone> I've had stuff arrive broken and 'refund' is not in the vocabulary of the sellers.
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[21:46] <redrabbit> i got full refund for a package that accidentaly ended up at the wrong adress
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[21:48] <redrabbit> probably not the best place to buy brand names stuff though ^^
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[21:49] <ali1234> i bought over 100 things from china on ebay and never had a single problem
[21:49] <shiftplusone> I used to use it for electronics, but after being stung a few times after waiting so long for delivery, I am willing to pay a premium for a sensible returns policy and shipping times.
[21:50] <ali1234> but out of about 10 orders from UK sellers, they messed it up about 5 times
[21:51] <ali1234> one time i ordered two of an item and they sent me one. i complained, they sent me another one. and then a day later i got someone else's order as well, in a separate package
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[21:52] <shiftplusone> hurray... free stuff.
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[21:52] <ali1234> it was a CD wallet
[21:52] <ali1234> who even uses CD any more?
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[21:53] <shiftplusone> (when I had that happen I let them know and they picked it up)
[21:53] <ali1234> i told them, they said keep it
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[21:53] <shiftplusone> Well, now you have some place to store all your CDs
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[21:54] <EDinNY> fnordz: do you know what Crazy Eddie was?
[21:55] <shiftplusone> God, that was an awful storage medium. Maybe it was because my brother cheaped out on the CD-RWs, but none of the backups would be readable a few months later.
[21:56] <ali1234> yeah, it's amazing that CD writers ever worked at all
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[21:58] <ShorTie> they good if you write to then slowly
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[21:58] <ShorTie> like 2x, lol.
[21:58] <shiftplusone> and don't sneeze
[21:58] <shauno> thinking about it, I've actually had more problems with amazon than aliexpress/banggood/etc. but not enough of either to draw data from
[21:58] <ali1234> yeah, that was always the trick if you wanted to make one that would last
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[22:01] <shiftplusone> We should just go back to tape... tape was great >.>
[22:01] <ShorTie> oh ya
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[22:02] <ali1234> CD is just an evolution of tape
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[22:03] <ali1234> i guess not really
[22:03] <shiftplusone> My thesis for my degree was related to tape storage. Read lots of journal articles from the 90s about how it's the future and the great advances in the technology just over the horizon.
[22:04] <ali1234> tape is just an evolution of wax disc
[22:04] <ali1234> as is the CD
[22:05] <shiftplusone> In the same sense that SSD is an evolution of stone tablets =P
[22:05] <ali1234> not really
[22:06] <mlelstv> from stone tablets to sand tablets
[22:06] <ali1234> i suppose if you go via a book
[22:06] <ali1234> then it is similar
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[22:06] <ali1234> but a stone tablet is like a book with only one page
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[22:07] <shiftplusone> You're overthinking all of this.
[22:07] <shauno> write-cycle limitations on stone tablets are worse than cheap sd cards :/
[22:07] <EDinNY> LOL
[22:07] <mlelstv> you need a very thin steel
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[22:12] <ali1234> so the zero w
[22:13] <ali1234> is that tiny white thing really the antenna?
[22:13] <BurtyB> no
[22:13] <BurtyB> it's a pcb antenna
[22:13] <ali1234> under that triangle cut out right?
[22:13] <ali1234> between USB and HDMI
[22:13] <BurtyB> yeah
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[22:14] <Habbie> 'incidentally' exactly where the antenna license text is on the bottom i see
[22:15] <ali1234> yeah
[22:15] <Habbie> i have one on my desk
[22:15] <Habbie> haven't booted it yet
[22:15] <ali1234> same
[22:15] <ali1234> BurtyB: what USB boot images do you use/recommend for the cluster hat?
[22:16] <ali1234> or do you just put SD cards in them all?
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[22:25] <BurtyB> ali1234, I haven't got that far yet, I've been mangling rpiboot. I'll prob just start with raspbian tho when I get to it
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[22:32] <swift110> hey all
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[22:45] <JakeSays> soo... would it be a bad idea to power a 700ma usb hdd from the pi?
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[22:47] <leftyfb> yup
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[22:49] <JakeSays> thats not the answer i wanted :(
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[22:55] <EDinNY> JakeSays: This is the cable to drive your HDs http://wdlabs.wd.com/category/pidrive-cables/
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, on the b+, v2 and v3 you have up to 1.2 amps out of the USB ports.
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, so your drive ought to work.
[22:56] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: really? cool
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> you WILL need a good PSU though.
[22:56] <JakeSays> although i did just find an old external usb drive board that takes a psu
[22:57] <JakeSays> its working for now
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> ok
[22:57] <EDinNY> I rubber banded my rp to this drive enclosure which contains a full size HD https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T6L2M4Q/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> the thing to look out for is the startup current draw.
[22:57] <JakeSays> ah
[22:57] <JakeSays> this is a 2007 hitachi from a macbook.
[22:58] <JakeSays> hopefully this will be faster than the sd card
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[22:59] <JakeSays> hmm. whats the command to reformat a drive? mkfs?
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[23:01] <EDinNY> If it is partitioned correctly
[23:01] <JakeSays> actually i want to re-partition it as well
[23:01] <EDinNY> The easy way is to use gparted, or you can use fdisk
[23:02] <JakeSays> ah right
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[23:04] <HrdwrBoB> it will be faster than most SD cards
[23:04] <HrdwrBoB> but it won'd be fast
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[23:21] <JakeSays> i used defaults when creating the file system.
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[23:22] <gordonDrogon> it'll be good enough. mount it with the noatime flag.
[23:22] <JakeSays> ah
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[23:26] <JakeSays> is not tracking last access a big perf boost?
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[23:27] <gordonDrogon> some reckon 30% or more...
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> and virtually nothing uses last access time.
[23:27] <JakeSays> right
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[23:31] <Simonious> where would you guys order a pi3, a pi0w and rs485 hats? -Amazon? elsewhere?
[23:31] <Simonious> I don't have to have it in a hurry
[23:31] <Simonious> https://thepihut.com/products/rs485-pizero hat doesn't have to this specific one either
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[23:37] <Smeef> can anyone recommend a really simple low resource mp3 player for use with raspbian? Preferably with nice big media control buttons
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[23:44] <EDinNY> If you want to use swap space on a hard drive, I assume you turn off dphys?
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[23:55] <EDinNY> does anyone know where loglevel is set?
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