#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2017-03-02

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[0:01] <JakeSays> man i need to figure out how to disable drive spin-down
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[0:03] <EDinNY> JakeSays: you might find the answer here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/39760/how-can-i-control-hdd-spin-down-time
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[0:03] <JakeSays> ahh cool
[0:03] <JakeSays> ty
[0:05] <EDinNY> You would have to install hdparm
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[0:21] <JakeSays> EDinNY: i did, but i get an error when i try to set it
[0:21] <JakeSays> huh. Qt supports boot to Qt on the pi. very interesting.
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[0:31] <Smeef> Is it possible to convert an xbox chatpad to a USB keyboard, I know there's an online guide to connect one to a Pi, but that uses UART
[0:32] <Smeef> Tried this, but it didn't seem to work: http://www.newsdownload.co.uk/pages/RPiGpioXBoxChatPad.html
[0:32] <Smeef> That's the UART one
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[0:33] <ali1234> how does it connect to an xbox normally?
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[0:34] <ali1234> if you get an xbox controller and plug the chatpad in to it, and then plug the controller into the pi, that would probably work
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[0:36] <Smeef> /facepalm
[0:36] <Smeef> I should have tried that
[0:37] <ali1234> it might not be supported by the driver though
[0:37] <Smeef> Actually, I will have to buy an xbox controller, I only had the chatpad
[0:37] <Smeef> Ah
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[0:38] <ali1234> "Chatpad support is currently working only for the wired USB controllers, not the wireless ones."
[0:38] <ali1234> (with xboxdrv)
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[0:38] <Smeef> Hmm, I actually want wired, so that's good to know
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[0:45] <robin_sz> so, a question about the "compute" module ...
[0:45] <robin_sz> its intended for industrial type applications, right?
[0:45] <robin_sz> doe it have ethernet capability?
[0:46] <ali1234> no
[0:46] <ali1234> it has USB
[0:46] <ali1234> every model of raspberry pi uses USB for ethernet
[0:48] <robin_sz> so I just need a usb->RJ45 adaptor ?
[0:49] <ali1234> it would typically be included on whatever board you plug the compute module in to
[0:49] <ali1234> the module only has an edge connector
[0:49] <robin_sz> yes, obviously
[0:50] <robin_sz> I will be making up a PCB anyway
[0:50] <robin_sz> so I can just use the USB pins on th emodule as ethernet and wire them to an RJ45 socket?
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[0:50] <ali1234> no
[0:51] <robin_sz> so how do I connect my ethernet cable to it?
[0:51] <ali1234> http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/en/LAN9512
[0:52] <ali1234> that is the chip used on regular rpi
[0:52] <robin_sz> ah, ok.
[0:53] <robin_sz> over SPI?
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[0:54] <ali1234> no, over USB
[0:54] <robin_sz> I wonder if there is a lan-only version of that chip, without all the USB stuff
[0:54] <ali1234> there are other ways to attach ethernet
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[0:54] <noraatepernos> Does anyone have any tips on a simple way to determine if a signal coming from a microphone crosses a threshold? I’m trying to make a low voltage noise detector…analog but that sets a digital io pin to high state when a threshold is crossed.
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[0:55] <ali1234> http://raspi.tv/2015/ethernet-on-pi-zero-how-to-put-an-ethernet-port-on-your-pi
[0:55] <ali1234> that would work on a compute module too
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[0:57] <ali1234> noraatepernos: you would use an analog comparator for that
[0:57] <robin_sz> OK, thanks, I'll check it out. it would be nice to find a way that avoids USB if possible, either i2c or SPI would be good ... USB is an extra layer of high-level stuff that is best avoided really.
[0:59] <ali1234> robin_sz: if you don't want high level then raspberry pi might not be the right solution for you
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[1:00] <robin_sz> so long as its cheap and runs linux thats fine
[1:00] <phicode> ali1234: your kidding right?
[1:00] <robin_sz> I dont really see the point of using high level interfaces for high speed peripherals though
[1:00] <ali1234> if you can deal with the complexity of linux then i don't see why you would want to avoid USB
[1:00] <noraatepernos> ali1234: Thanks. http://www.hertaville.com/adchack.html “The Successive Approximation Algorithm” heh.
[1:00] <BurtyB> ENC28J60 is spi if you don't mind 10Mbit/s
[1:01] <ali1234> USB is the fastest generic i/o interface on the pi that we have drivers for
[1:02] <robin_sz> but it revolves around some fairly complex procedures for device recognition etc
[1:02] * phicode wonders silently if anyones ever stuck a USB kill 3.0 into a Pi
[1:02] <noraatepernos> ali1234: I have a usb ADC with a microphone attached but I fear analyzing the incoming stream via node.js will use up too much power. How would you do it?
[1:02] <robin_sz> theres no way I would ever put a real USB socket on an industrial device
[1:03] <noraatepernos> I want to emulate the behavior of a voice recorder’s “vox” mode — only record when some noise threshold is crossed.
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[1:03] <ali1234> noraatepernos: i would do it with an analog comparator...
[1:03] <phicode> robin_sz funny that, i've got an industrial based PC and it's all USB
[1:04] <noraatepernos> ali1234: Ok. Thank you so much.
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[1:05] <robin_sz> phicode, I suspect it is useful in some situations, but not mine ..
[1:05] <ali1234> i don't know if there is anything special to consider whwen using one with an audio signal
[1:05] <phicode> Anyone know if CopperheadOS will ever be ported to the r-Pi?
[1:05] <ali1234> since it is AC not DC
[1:06] <Smeef> Is there any kind of supernatural significance to me never having a fortune cookie that wasn't already broken open inside the packaging?
[1:06] <Smeef> whoops, wring chat, lol
[1:06] <Smeef> wrong*
[1:06] <phicode> lol
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[1:11] <robin_sz> BurtyB, the ENC28J60 looks much better, cheers.
[1:12] <robin_sz> half the price of the LAN9512 as well
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[1:15] <phicode> kind of stunning to read as linux 4.9 finally roles out that they've finally hardened the kernel
[1:15] <phicode> about bloody time
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[1:34] <Travis> Hello all!
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[1:49] <redrabbit> hi
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[1:50] <redrabbit> Smeef: yes it signifies that the manufacturer should ship with more packing material
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[1:53] <JakeSays> so in theory i should be able to write an app for my android phone that communicates with a service on the pi3 via bluetooth?
[1:53] <ali1234> yes
[1:54] <redrabbit> its a PAN
[1:54] <JakeSays> excellent. i want to forward text msgs
[1:54] <JakeSays> well, just send a notification that there's a new text or call
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[1:54] <redrabbit> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_area_network
[1:55] <redrabbit> id use the pi3 as the host
[1:55] <JakeSays> just need to make sure Qt supports PAN
[1:56] <ali1234> you dont use PAN for that
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[1:56] <ali1234> you use MAP
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[1:56] <JakeSays> map?
[1:57] <ali1234> you dont need to write any software for android if you have 4.4 or later, because it already support this
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[1:57] <JakeSays> supports sending notifications?
[1:58] <ali1234> supposed to, yeah
[1:58] <redrabbit> try low energy if you have it
[1:58] <ali1234> that is what it is for
[1:58] <JakeSays> well, i want to filter the calls/texts to only send specific ones
[1:58] <JakeSays> is an addition to an alarm clock i've built.
[1:59] <ali1234> MAP is designed for sending call and text notification to car hands free kits etc
[2:00] <JakeSays> ah ok
[2:00] <JakeSays> but i'd still need to filter on the phone
[2:00] <ali1234> https://github.com/pauloborges/bluez/blob/master/test/map-client
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[2:01] <ali1234> i'll add this to my alarn clock project i think ...
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[4:04] <Smeef> I have a disassembled xbox chatpad, there are 4 wires that correspond to 3.3v, Tx, Rx, and GND, but I've only been able to find pinout diagrams for the connector, not the pads on the keyboard, and I can't actually tell which wires are which, because they all go into the back of the connector that is sealed, so I can't see which wire is connected to which contact on the connector
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[4:08] * mattwj2002 wants a pi zero W
[4:08] <mattwj2002> :D
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[4:12] <Smeef> Here's an image of the board I have, notice the four pads on the back, behind the space button, where the PCB stick out a little: https://cdn.hackaday.io/images/5593981474961324278.png
[4:12] <Smeef> Those are the ones that are 3.3v, Tx, Rx, and ground, but I have no idea which is which
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[4:14] <Smeef> Looks like the text near the bottom-most one could be ASND, or AGND
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[4:16] <Smeef> Actually, scratch that, it's close to the one I have, but the one I have has serial debugging pads in that empty area near the top, it might be possible that the pad layout isn't the same for mine, but the general idea is I need to know which of those pads are which
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[4:20] <Smeef> Here's a pinout diagram for the connector, notice how you can't really tell which color wire corresponds to which pin: http://www.newsdownload.co.uk/pages/RPiGpioXBoxChatPad/RPiGpioChatPad_007.jpg
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[4:30] <clever> Smeef: gnd you can figure out by just ohming it out to another clear gnd point, 3.3v you can find with a volt meter or ohming to the regulator
[4:30] <clever> Smeef: then you just connect the rx of your serial chip to one pin randomly, and see if you get anyting, 50/50 chance
[4:30] <clever> nothing will happen if you tie rx to rx
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[4:37] <[Saint]> What if you've tied RX to 240/60 mains voltage? ...eh?
[4:37] <[Saint]> Ha!
[4:37] <exo-squad> i am super stuck. i have a rfid acr122 and installed all the stuff for it. but it gives me this unable to open nfc device
[4:42] <exo-squad> and the only ppl having this problem is like mac os people
[4:42] <[Saint]> if you find commandline solutions for the issue the fact it is Mac OS should be largely irrlevant.
[4:43] <[Saint]> Mac OS is "not unix-y" enough to be mildly annoying at time, but a lot of premises are transferable.
[4:43] <exo-squad> the solution that seemed to help those people was "creating a dummy kernal"
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[4:49] <exo-squad> ill try reinstalling libusb ..
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[4:55] <exo-squad> yay i did something and a thing happend and not its working with sudo
[4:55] <exo-squad> not/now
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[5:01] <[Saint]> exo-squad: sounds like you're just bouncing off poor group controls.
[5:01] <[Saint]> sudo is just the 'ahhh, screw it' approach to proper group management in this instance I would think.
[5:05] <exo-squad> i was trying sudo earlier.. but it wasnt doing.
[5:05] <[Saint]> hard to say what other issues may have been or may still be present with such a lack of verbosity.
[5:06] <exo-squad> yeah i have no idea. im not really great with linux/programming. so im like a guy with a flashlight in a dense forrest..
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[6:51] <hackoo> Hey Guys, any idea how to find the root cause my NoIR camera is not getting detected in the Raspbian
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[6:55] <hmoney> i used motioneyeos for my noIR v2 camera
[6:56] <hackoo> ok
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[7:22] <[Saint]> Hmmm. I never noticed that. I guess it makes some degree of sense though.
[7:22] <[Saint]> CMA really screws with the 'free' command.
[7:23] <[Saint]> It treats the potential allocation pool as buff/cache.
[7:24] <[Saint]> Been a couple of weeks and counting since deploying CMA on various pis across the board, and no obvious issues have arisen.
[7:24] <exo-squad> is raspbian 64 bit?
[7:24] <[Saint]> No.
[7:24] <exo-squad> thank you.
[7:25] <exo-squad> i was googling it and like, ppl were like "blah blah arm blah blah"
[7:25] <exo-squad> and there wasnt a "no."
[7:26] <exo-squad> i hate when the knowledge exchange can be like. i ask you, you say yes or no. and thats it, but then everyone wants you to google till you find your own answer
[7:29] <[Saint]> errr...dude
[7:29] <[Saint]> http://imgur.com/a/m2cM7
[7:30] <exo-squad> yeah but look at the dates on some of them
[7:30] <exo-squad> the nos were from 2015 and shit
[7:30] <exo-squad> then the news article that said yes
[7:30] <[Saint]> top result from Mar 2016.
[7:30] <[Saint]> the one they literally cram down your throat because ten billion people asked it.
[7:31] <exo-squad> the forum post that talked about the theory of 32/64 bits
[7:31] <[Saint]> No. The _top_ result.
[7:31] <exo-squad> march 2016 is not march 2017
[7:31] <[Saint]> Don;t cherrypick the second to suit a false narrative.
[7:32] <[Saint]> it's not, but, have you seen any announcements to the contrary from RPF?
[7:32] <[Saint]> hint: no, you haven't
[7:32] <exo-squad> i dont keep up with their blog...
[7:32] <exo-squad> last thing i read from there is about the pixel gui
[7:33] <[Saint]> If or when this ever happens (there's really no need for it), you'll know about it, You won't have to trawl esoteric pages to find the answer.
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[7:34] <exo-squad> i know the rpi3 is a 64bit cpu
[7:34] <[Saint]> And?
[7:34] <exo-squad> there wasnt a yes or no answer.
[7:34] <exo-squad> thats my point.
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[7:36] <[Saint]> The short answer is no it isn't, and if at some point is ever is you'll literally never notice outside conscious bias.
[7:37] <exo-squad> unless i have to choose between a 32bit and 64 bit version of a thing to compile
[7:38] <Zardoz> My understanding is that 64bit os for the pi is not high on the list as you would get for the most part no gane on the platform.
[7:43] <exo-squad> yeah if theres not 4gb of ram theres no need right?
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[9:26] <Hanonim> Hi folks !
[9:28] <tommy``> https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero-w?variant=30332705425
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[10:05] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Is it my imagination, or is the Zero W CPU pegged at 700Mhz?
[10:06] <brainzap> what is the raw hardware cost of the ZERO W
[10:06] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Without knowing how much the Foundation pay for BCM chips and other components, it's impossible to know
[10:07] <Gadgetoid_Pim> And whether or not you include proprietary PCB antenna design licensing as part of the BOM
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[10:14] <Drzacek> brainzap, I guess pi0 is as cheap as it gets - they don't really make huge profit on it, and due to various agreements they probably get the bcm chips way cheaper than other companies that would like to create something similar now in these quantities.
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[10:18] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Another company creating something similar can just use a more appropriate chip :D
[10:18] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Which they can and have done- plenty of stuff out there on the market
[10:19] <Gadgetoid_Pim> What they fail to deliver is any kind of lasting support or community, and they release new stuff too quickly, keeping the churn of interested hackers on "the next great thing" rather than making one thing good
[10:19] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Pi is 99.999% the hard work put in by community members and developers
[10:20] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I've got an Onion IoT Omega2+ to test, and their own software build was broken for so long I had to step away and ignore it for a while
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[10:21] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Not sure why I'm preaching to the choir here :D typing words is easier than trying to concentrate on programming
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[10:29] * BurtyB slaps Gadgetoid_Pim get back to the programming man
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[10:30] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Also figuring out this 700Mhz bug
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[10:31] <Drzacek> Gadgetoid_Pim, you are right, mass producing stuff is one thing, support for it is other thing - thats the difference between good product (like rpi) and crap
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[10:31] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Drzacek, Yeah see the ASUS Tinkerboard =/
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[10:33] <Drzacek> looks nice, little too expensive for me. what about it?
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[10:35] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> Derp. Wifail.
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[10:44] <Drzacek> well, someone buys all those clones. I'll stick with rpi
[10:45] <brainzap> I did buy the asus tinker, I hope I have time this weekend to review
[10:45] <mfa298> at least with a decent company behind it the asus tinker has a chance to do better than most.
[10:46] <mfa298> also not allwinner which might be a good thing.
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[10:47] <Drzacek> I wish them all well, problem with todays electronics/software is, that all products are one-time use - be it laptops, cellphones etc - lack of proper support is rather big problem in todays world (I mean come on, would it kill them to release at least two android updates to my 1yo smartphone?).
[10:48] <brainzap> It has colored pins <3
[10:49] <selckin> thats why yppl buy apple
[10:50] <Drzacek> well, if you make your product closed and propietary, won't let people install own stuff, connect with non-apple devices, support is easier I guess
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[10:51] <brainzap> how fast is real life USB 2 again?
[10:51] <[Saint]> I have a problem when people say things like this, about phones not being made to last.
[10:51] <[Saint]> I mean, take a look at pretty much any hardware from two years ago.
[10:51] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> Wait, I just installed Android Studio, why does starting it up launch yet another installer? ARRARGAH
[10:51] <[Saint]> ...you wanna run that?
[10:52] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> Want is a strong word.
[10:53] <[Saint]> it's just a coincidence that the useful life of a LiPo is just about the same as it takes for the tech it is in to become wildly obsolete.
[10:53] * mfa298 looks at the hardware in front of him, both >2 years old running recent OSes
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[10:53] <[Saint]> mfa298: I pretty much guarantee you that's not from choice.
[10:54] <[Saint]> _if you could_, and had the money to burn, I pretty much guarantee you wouldn't be.
[10:54] <[Saint]> no one would.
[10:54] <[Saint]> no one sane.
[10:54] <mfa298> well the i7 was pretty well specced when I bought it (it used to run ESX, now windows)
[10:55] <mfa298> for a desktop there's not much need to upgrade it, it does all I need it to do (although I might need to replace the raid battery or change to ssds as storage it a bit slow)
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[10:56] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> Yeah my phone is starting to feel obsolete, and the LiPo is now pushing the screen off the front =/
[10:57] <[Saint]> dude, that's a fire hazard.
[10:57] <[Saint]> like, that's legitimately unsafe.
[10:57] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> That's the way the cookie crumbles.
[10:58] <[Saint]> If you don't value your own life you'd think you might spare a care for the others around you that you're making decisions for?
[10:59] <[Saint]> I haven't met many people cool with the idea of choking to death in their sleep or receiving massive burns.
[10:59] <[Saint]> ...though I'm sure they exist.
[10:59] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> I think what you're picturing is drastically worse than what's actually happening
[11:00] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> Although I have wondered about backing it up and playing the "Ooh I'm so terribly worried it might explode" card with customer support
[11:00] <[Saint]> I'm not. If it's swolen enough to push the screen out at all it's swollen enough for internals to make a penetrating injury to it.
[11:00] <[Saint]> which historically, lipos don't like, and tend to get all fired up about.
[11:01] <[Saint]> you're basically betting on engineering foresight. a good gamble...but, how good?
[11:02] <[Saint]> if it's swelling that bad it's also probably at less than half of its original potential.
[11:02] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> Yeah it seems to have the battery life of a toaster
[11:03] <[Saint]> considering you can get some damn good budget range phones these days there's no reason for this to happen.
[11:04] <[Saint]> I pretty highly recommend pretty much any version of the Moto G if you're really cash strapped.
[11:04] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> I could probably dig out an old spare if nothing else
[11:05] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> I think I'd rather be on fire than use an Android phone, though :D
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[11:06] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> Maybe I should switch back to a Nokia N900 :D
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[11:06] <Drzacek> Moto G rules, my gf got first model, running newest android - of course, no official update, but Cyanogenmod did its job ther
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[11:07] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> And that's why I don't want an Android phone :D
[11:07] <[Saint]> Yeah. The Moto G lineup really is "the budget phone that doesn't make you want to commit suicide"
[11:07] <[Saint]> you don't actually feel like you compromised much.
[11:07] <Drzacek> I also have 2 year old smarpthone, wasnt the cheapest, but still not very expensive - specs are not that bad (storage could be bigger, but at least it has sd slot), but you don't get any updates from manufacturer
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[11:08] <Drzacek> The software these days is made without any consideration - yeah, lets put two milions of visual effects, we'll just give another core or something
[11:09] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> I'll probably try and snag an iPhone SE at some point
[11:09] <Drzacek> PC doesnt have this problem, I can install some light linux distro on rather old hardware and still enjoy it - sure, won't run any newer games, but the day-to-day use would be OK
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[11:34] <Smeef> Anyone else getting errors from certain servers when doing an apt-get update?
[11:34] <Smeef> "Failed to fetch..."
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[11:41] <Habbie> Smeef, works for me right now
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[11:42] <Drzacek> Smeef, tried updating now, it went through but it was stuck for ~2 minutes on "connecting to mirrordirector", so maybe there are some issues
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[11:45] <g105b> Can someone advise me where the best place to automatically initiate a reverse SSH tunnel on boot is? Currently, I've tried adding the script to /etc/network/if-up.d but for some reason the tunnel isn't being made on boot, (but if I run the script manually from there it works). Any ideas?
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[11:47] <mfa298> g105b: there are tools to help manage a reverse ssh tunnel
[11:47] <mfa298> I think the obvious one is called something like autossh
[11:47] <mfa298> I was looking to see what was around a few weeks back but havn't tried anything yet so can't comment on how they work
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[11:48] <g105b> mfa298: well I already have a command (ssh -t -R etc...) and I don't know how to use autossh, my question is really asking where to put this script so that it runs every boot?
[11:48] <Armand> Turns out my soldering still sucks. :P
[11:50] <g105b> Practice makes perfect Armand
[11:50] <Armand> http://gallery.baked-pi.co.uk/var/albums/IMG_20170302_001050.jpg?m=1488451089
[11:50] <g105b> Is that hot glue?
[11:51] <Armand> On the USB ports, yes.
[11:51] <Armand> They don't have sufficient plastic pin length to melt them to the board
[11:51] <ShorTie> are those batteries 18650's ??
[11:51] <Armand> Yarp
[11:52] <Armand> Got about 70 of them. :)
[11:52] <ShorTie> you can't charge them like that you know
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[11:53] <Armand> I'm not
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[11:53] <Armand> Those aren't input ports.
[11:53] <mfa298> g105b: I think autossh is designed to manage those commands for you - i.e. start as the interface comes up, re-initiate if it gets disconnected etc.
[11:54] <g105b> mfa298: OK I'll look into it.
[11:54] <mfa298> g105b: from what I remember it's hard doing network related stuff at boot as various things have differnt definitions of netowrk being ready
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[11:55] * ShorTie Thinkz, that battery pack in Bad, BAD, Bad, just waiting to blow up
[11:56] <Armand> Nah
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[11:56] <ShorTie> ok, it's your house, lol.
[11:57] <Armand> No, actually.. we rent. :P
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[11:58] <Armand> ShorTie: There's nothing wrong with how it's wired.. the regulator supplies 5v to the USB ports.
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[11:58] <Armand> The only issue is the LM2596 gets rather warm.
[11:58] <ShorTie> i see that, i'm talking about charging them
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[11:58] <Armand> Ohh, that's easy.
[11:59] <ShorTie> you un-solder them ??
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[11:59] <Armand> TP4056
[11:59] <g105b> Currently one of my Raspberries is creating a reverse SSH tunnel on boot , but I have no idea where it is creating it! There's nothing in if-up.d, no @reboot crontab... where should I look to find it?
[12:00] <ShorTie> charger for single cell ??
[12:00] <Armand> ShorTie: Anyways.. it's just a test build. :P
[12:00] <Armand> I have ten of them. lol
[12:00] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> *facepalm* https://github.com/pimoroni/picade-hat/blob/master/daemon/usr/bin/picadehatd#L97-L106
[12:01] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> Going through an older Python daemonized script to build a new one, and realising I accidentally a stupid error
[12:01] <b3h3m0th> how do I set static ethernet IP for eth0?
[12:01] <Armand> ShorTie: I can build a balanced charger, it's not difficult.
[12:01] <g105b> Gadgetoid_Pim_: you accidentally what?
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[12:02] <g105b> -_·
[12:02] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> g105b, I maed a sillie!
[12:02] <b3h3m0th> I tried the /etc/network/interfaces with auto eth0 inet static
[12:02] <b3h3m0th> and rebooted
[12:02] <b3h3m0th> but that did not work
[12:02] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> Also, why is there not a POSIX implementation of Daemonize? The steps are basically standard.
[12:02] <b3h3m0th> I got IP
[12:04] <BurtyB> b3h3m0th, read the message at the top of /etc/network/interfaces and then edit dhcpcd.conf ;)
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[12:07] <Hanonim> more of a linux question but i'd like to have aliases both for login shells and non login, where do i have to write them ?
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[12:08] <nitpe> Hanonim, add the alias under the .bashrc file
[12:09] <Armand> ShorTie: I'm planning to start with 5x 10-cell packs, like a mini powerwall.
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[12:11] <Hanonim> nitpe: yes but then i believe they are not sourced in login non-interactive shells
[12:12] <nitpe> Hanonim, ouch, sure thing
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[12:12] <Hanonim> nitpe: well, non interactive shells in knew
[12:12] <Hanonim> basically, i'd like to add aliases that would word in any conditions (login, non login, interactive, non interactive...)
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[12:35] <stevie86> Hi! I'm trying to install backuppc on raspberrypi... i get an error when running sudo apt-get install backuppc -y
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[12:40] <mfa298> stevie86: it might help if you shared what the error is (or maybe read it)
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[12:41] <mfa298> apt-get can have various errors, and usually the error message tells you whats wrong and often how to fix it
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[12:42] <stevie86> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:42] <mfa298> I ssupect there's a bit more error message than that, maybe pastbin the whole output from the attempt
[12:43] <mfa298> failing that a link to whatever instructions you're trying to follow might help
[12:46] <stevie86> OK, I ran sudo apt-get install backuppc
[12:46] <Ad0> is there a PI with a soldered flash?
[12:46] <Ad0> that has the same specs as raspberry PI 3
[12:47] <b3h3m0th> I don't have a display to access my Pi3B but I have network access through ethernet cable. What are the best ways for getting a GUI access to it?
[12:47] <b3h3m0th> BurtyB: thanks for pointers to static eth0 config btw ;)
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[12:48] <stevie86> http://pastebin.com/uqwbF05m
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[12:51] <brainzap> ze german
[12:51] <mfa298> stevie86: I think the error line is probably this one
[12:51] <mfa298> Job for backuppc.service failed. See 'systemctl status backuppc.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
[12:51] <stevie86> http://pasteall.org/275095
[12:52] <mfa298> you'll need to follow it's suggestions to see what's happened
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[12:54] <stevie86> http://pasteall.org/275096
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[12:55] <Baikonur> this is making me so unhappy, my sd card's write protection tab moves down (so it's read-only) every time I'm inserting it into my laptop's card reader
[12:55] <brainzap> SUPER GLUE IT
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[12:56] <Baikonur> I was considering that but now that you're writing it in all caps, it makes me scared of doing that, I don't want to ruin the whole card
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[12:57] <stevie86> i'll purge backuppc and reinstall... then see if it works
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[13:03] <stevie86> still no success
[13:03] <stevie86> htpasswd /etc/backuppc/htpasswd backuppc
[13:03] <stevie86> sudo service backuppc start
[13:03] <stevie86> Job for backuppc.service failed. See 'systemctl status backuppc.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
[13:04] <stevie86> see my previous pasteall links
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[13:08] <Emil> Hi. Anyone have a precompiled ffmpeg+libx264?
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[13:22] <password4> yo
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[13:23] <gordonDrogon> yo
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[13:23] <gordonDrogon> (down and up)
[13:23] <password4> so , on the RPI , what dictates which img is booted to? Is kernel7.img default?
[13:24] <stevie86> any ideas on why backuppc won't install on raspberrypi?
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> password4, see config.txt
[13:25] <password4> if theres no reference in it to an image?
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt.md
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[13:25] <gordonDrogon> search for kernel.
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[13:31] <password4> no mention of kernel7? i see kernel7 is default on rpi2?
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[13:33] <gordonDrogon> it's kernel= then the filename of the kernel you want to boot.
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[13:38] <password4> nvm
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[13:39] <password4> you seem to be avoiding the quesition
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[13:40] <AndreeeCZ> hello! Im using the official touchscreen and an X-less opengl. Is there a way to increase the color bit depth?
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[13:45] <gordonDrogon> password4, I have other things to do. google it - its all well documented.
[13:46] <password4> if you have such important things to do , why are you talking?
[13:46] <oq> password4: he bakes bread
[13:47] <H__> password4: he's being polite to you. you stop trolling.
[13:48] <password4> Hmmm bread
[13:48] <password4> i forgive him
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[13:49] <password4> on a different subject , have the power regulation of rpi gotton better since the first pi/
[13:49] <password4> ?
[13:50] <password4> ie , when i plug something into my rpi1 it often causes it to reboot
[13:50] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> Nah, they now just include two large solder pads for you to wire A/C directly onto it, works great
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[13:50] <Armand> gordonDrogon: if you have such important things to do, can haz banz naw ? :P
[13:50] * Armand runs away
[13:51] <ShorTie> password4 that means your power supply or micro-usb cable is no good
[13:51] <password4> ShorTie: is the RS components one considered not good?
[13:51] <oq> Gadgetoid_Pim_: is that american ac or european ac?
[13:52] <oq> our voltage is a tad higher than theirs
[13:52] <Gadgetoid_Pim_> oq, there's a switch, just don't put it in the wrong position
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> password4, something else well documented. The Pi 1 has a 700mA polyfuse. Subsequent Pi's have higher value polyfuses and better on-board power regulation. So yes, it has gotten better.
[13:53] <password4> gordonDrogon: everything is well documented
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> we've had Pi's for over 5 years now.
[13:53] <password4> but that often excludes personal experience
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> there are over 13 million of them.
[13:54] <Armand> I built my USB power board with 1A polyfuses. :)
[13:54] <password4> took you long enough to make them
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[13:54] <Armand> "you" ?
[13:54] <password4> :D
[13:54] <Armand> Yeah... y u slow making rPis, gordonDrogon ??
[13:54] <Armand> Like... hire moar people!
[13:54] <password4> anyway , i wonder if its the poly fuse on mine tripping
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[13:54] <password4> Armand: i think hes spenind too much time with his bread
[13:55] <ali1234> there's this hilarious thing with raspberry pi
[13:55] <password4> spending*
[13:55] <ali1234> every time they make a new one, it has a weird problem
[13:55] <Armand> I don't think you *can* spend too much time making bread.
[13:55] <ali1234> the original one it was the polyfuse
[13:55] <password4> ali1234: oh , liek?
[13:55] <password4> and v2/3?
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[13:55] <Armand> gordonDrogon: Do you ever make harddough bread?
[13:55] <ali1234> the 2B is sensitive to camera flash
[13:56] <oq> its shy like that
[13:56] <ali1234> the 3B gets really hot
[13:56] <password4> wait , the camera module has flash?
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[13:56] <ali1234> the first revision of the official display has broken backlight dimming
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> bread: http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20161015_082735.jpg
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[13:57] <Armand> Damn you, gordonDrogon... that looks GOOOOOOOOOOOOOODD!
[13:57] <oq> is the top part supposed to peel off?
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> oq, yes.
[13:57] <password4> its an onion bread , it has layers
[13:57] <password4> "D
[13:57] <Armand> It's a Trump loaf.. fly-away layer included. :P
[13:57] <password4> dang , i thought the bread thing was all sarcastic
[13:58] <Armand> HA!
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[13:58] <password4> 10/10 would dunk the whole thing in butter
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> that's one of my sourdough blondes. I don't make many of them, the locals prefer the one with about 20% wholemeal in.
[13:59] <Armand> gordonDrogon: That needs some brie... and onion marmalade.
[13:59] <password4> yo have a shop
[13:59] <ali1234> the peeling effect is mildly disgusting to me
[13:59] <password4> dammit , now I'm hungry
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> password4, no - it's wholesale.
[13:59] <password4> can i go back to trolling you instead?
[13:59] <ali1234> i dont know why
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> but small scale - e.g. this morning I made 44 loaves.
[13:59] <Armand> ali1234: You're weird.
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> I'm having a day off on Saturday to go to the Cambridge party thing.
[14:00] <phil42> i am guessing at least $2 profit per loaf on average
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> phil42, I wish... but it varys.
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> cakes and sticky buns are there the money really is. I only made 16 sticky buns this morning. cardamom knots...
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[14:01] <Armand> gordonDrogon: You should come visit when my cousin is here.. she can show you some Jamaican bread. :D
[14:03] <phil42> who here has used a zero w ?
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20161105_090619.jpg
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> but that's enough bread for now.
[14:04] <password4> man bread is really my weakness
[14:04] <ali1234> whats man bread?
[14:04] <oq> those do look kind of gross to me
[14:04] <password4> i buy the shittiest bread i can just so that i dont finish a whole loaf everynight
[14:04] <phil42> how much does it cost to fire the oven each day?
[14:05] <oq> the brown innards, the white glaze? ugh
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[14:05] <ali1234> nah those ones look fine to me
[14:05] <password4> i guess you are used to having a bun in your oven
[14:05] <phil42> does it cost more than the ingredients?
[14:06] <password4> i doubt it does
[14:06] <password4> maybe , idk , i gues you have a semi industrial oven setup
[14:06] <phil42> a big oven gets hot slowly
[14:06] <password4> they often have a decent amount of insolation
[14:06] <ali1234> but a big over holds a lot of stuff
[14:06] <password4> phil42: you'd be surprised
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[14:07] <password4> water is the thing that takes the most energy to heat up
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> password4, lets try to keep it family friendly please.
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> I have 3 ovens.
[14:07] <password4> where was i family unfriendly?
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> they're not big deck ovens, but "entry level" commercial ones. (well 2 are)
[14:07] <oq> bun in the oven just means pregnancy gordonDrogon
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> oq, I'm well aware of that.
[14:08] <oq> it's family friendly
[14:08] <password4> idioms like that were made to be family friendly
[14:08] <Habbie> it's not what gordonDrogon means
[14:08] <Habbie> if i have to guess
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[14:09] <gordonDrogon> referring to the type of bread password4 buys ...
[14:09] <Habbie> indeed
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[14:09] <password4> lawl
[14:09] <password4> you not a fan of bad bread?
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[14:10] <gordonDrogon> I make organic sourdough bread. of-course I'm not a fan of bad bread!
[14:11] <mlelstv> there is always slightly salted wheat flour foam if you don't like bread
[14:11] <password4> i buy the $1 stuff every second day
[14:11] <password4> the brown stuff
[14:11] <password4> :D
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[14:11] <oq> password4: the other week they actually chastised someone for saying damn
[14:11] <ali1234> is there a way to make bread that has no crusts on it? without just cutting them off?
[14:11] <Habbie> oq, would you like to be chastised?
[14:12] <Habbie> brb
[14:12] <password4> a few weeks ago i found pieces of burned bread in my bread
[14:12] <Habbie> password4, recycling!
[14:12] <password4> yeah
[14:12] <password4> still buying the same brand
[14:12] <mlelstv> sure that it was burned bread and not burned rat ?
[14:12] <password4> i like bread unconditionally
[14:13] <ali1234> i get that all the time but its because i dont clean out the bread machine
[14:13] <password4> mlelstv: it was big pieces , sounless you get a rat in te shape of a slice of bread
[14:13] <mlelstv> you found a slice of bread in a bread? :)
[14:13] <password4> i found slices in slices
[14:13] <mlelstv> to me they all look the same
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[14:14] <password4> no this was clearly big hunks of bread that was added to the bread mix
[14:14] <mlelstv> that's what you were supposed to think
[14:15] <mlelstv> food industry is very creative
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toast_sandwich
[14:15] <Armand> what the..
[14:15] <Armand> O_o
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[14:16] <mlelstv> a creation of the Royal Society of Chemistry
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[14:17] <mlelstv> or like we say: with the vital vitamins B, A, S and F.
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[14:18] <password4> oh fffffff gordonDrogon
[14:19] <password4> i already have enough munchies
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[14:20] <Armand> Ok.. that makes more sense.. Sorted the photos into a folder on the gallery website. :)
[14:21] <password4> I'm so going to make a toast sandwhich
[14:21] <password4> i always have issue of not gettin enough melted butter on my toats
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[14:22] * ShorTie Thinkz, don't let the door knob hit you in your butt on the way out
[14:23] <password4> thats a very low door knob
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[14:24] <phil42> i heard that, if they get flour with insect pieces in, they just use it for whole wheat bread
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[14:25] <oq> phil42: everything you buy has a small chance of having a bit of insect in
[14:25] <password4> phil42: well after it hits 100C+ not much is alive
[14:25] <password4> so meh
[14:25] <password4> someone i know quite from a place where they simply sifted out the insects
[14:25] <password4> *quit
[14:26] <oq> I'd rather get whole wheat bread that has insect in than whole wheat bread that is really dyed white bread like they sell in america
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[14:27] <password4> gordonDrogon: in what country do you hail yourself?
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[14:28] <shauno> you're actually allowed to leave insect fragments in the flour .. little sense trying to pass it off as something else
[14:29] <password4> says who?
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> password4, I'm in england.
[14:30] <password4> what sizes eggs do they sell there
[14:30] <shauno> for the US, the FDA - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Food_Defect_Action_Levels
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> all sizes.
[14:30] <password4> america aparently only have medium
[14:31] <password4> i love jumbo sizes
[14:31] <password4> shauno: idk how much or little it is
[14:31] <shauno> there's equivalents elsewhere though. it's near-on impossible to remove everything, so if 'a line' has to be set, it has to be >0
[14:32] <shauno> for wheat flour they give "Average of 150 or more insect fragments per 100 grams"
[14:32] <password4> shauno: but if your flour is full of mites you aught to throw it away
[14:32] <phil42> if i am remembering right, large is 2 oz, extra large is 2.25 oz, jumbo is 2.5 ox
[14:32] <password4> hmm oz
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[14:33] <gordonDrogon> I get eggs direclty off a producer right now - they're classed as large or extra large. they're averaging 65g out of the shell. normal medium eggs are 50g out of the shell.
[14:33] <password4> our jumbo is 68+g
[14:33] <password4> sounds like a similar system than ours
[14:33] <oq> the thing with american eggs is they wash off the protective coating
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[14:34] <oq> so they don't last as long
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[14:34] <password4> oq the average american has a 2day survivale food stockpile
[14:34] <phil42> they evaporate through the shell
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> oq, that's not quite right ...
[14:34] <oq> gordonDrogon: it's true.
[14:34] <phil42> so, hard boiled made from older eggs are easier to peel
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> oq, I used to keep chickens for eggs..
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> hens eggs are porous washed or not. duck eggs are sealed.
[14:35] <oq> gordonDrogon: daily mail but still, www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2644251/Un-scrambling-truth-Why-American-eggs-ILLEGAL-sell-UK-vice-versa.html
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> in the UK we don't wash eggs and don't refridgerate them. once home, it is suggested to keep them in a fridge. I don't.
[14:35] <oq> in america they wash off the cuticle
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> The US washes eggs and keeps them in the fridge during transport and in the shops.
[14:36] <oq> that's what I'm saying....
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> big big issue is condensation on the shells when stored in the fridge - that's why they're washed in the US.
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> if you don't wash, then store in the fridge, then buy them, they warm up and get condensate on the shells which can lead to bacterial growth and transfer into the egg.
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> and really, the daily mail is full of tall stories.
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[14:38] <shauno> hm, I don't refrigerate them either. we have a cold room (literally a room that seems unaffected by heating), so they just live on a shelf in there
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[14:38] <password4> just about any news source is
[14:38] <oq> funny you say that because the daily mail has written the exact same thing you just did
[14:39] <oq> I bet you didn't even click my link ;)
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> maybe, but you said the protective coating was washed off - there isn't a protective coating on hens eggs in the first place.
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[14:39] <oq> gordonDrogon: yeah there is, it's called a cuticle
[14:40] <oq> https://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/poulsci/tech_manuals/images/contamination_hatching.jpg
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[14:42] <gordonDrogon> http://thehigherlearning.com/2014/04/23/why-are-american-eggs-illegal-in-britain-and-british-eggs-illegal-in-america/
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> well there you are. first I knew of that and I kept hens for 8 years.
[14:43] <ali1234> this study concluded that the cuticle is not "irreversably damaged" by washing: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22004811
[14:43] <ali1234> whatever that means
[14:43] <oq> ali1234: they would say that, they are the ones doing the washing
[14:43] <ali1234> quite
[14:43] <oq> eu regulators disagree
[14:43] <ali1234> and it doesn't say it wasn't reversibly damaged
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> I've had a hen lay and egg directly into my hand before (they stand up to lay) and never noticed any wetness.
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[14:48] <shauno> I'm not sure if a layer of protein necessarily has to be wet
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[14:51] <shauno> it's an interesting difference though. I get the impression neither's actually wrong, you just have to go whole-hog one way or the other. so the two methods are incompatible
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[14:54] <gordonDrogon> seems that way.
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[14:59] <shauno> (also why I'd avoid using the daily mail as a source for *anything*. "it's different, but that's okay" is not the narrative they're selling. they sell outrage.)
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[15:17] <password4> test?
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[15:19] <leftyfb> password4: TEST FAILED
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[15:19] <password4> good
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[15:36] <bub_> is it possible to run teamviewer on raspberry pi 3 without using Eltechs ExaGear Desktop?
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[16:19] <methuzla> is running rpi-update still only suggested if: (1) asked by a developer or (2) you know what you're doing ??
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[16:21] <shiftplusone> methuzla: yes and that won't change.
[16:21] <methuzla> shiftplusone: thanks. just wanted to make sure.
[16:21] <shiftplusone> np
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[17:38] <pwillard> bub_: Isn't the ExaGear Desktop how you get X86 Linux compatability? Without it... you need native ARM built APP... so pretty much the answer would be "no"
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[17:40] <shiftplusone> could steal their watched version of wine and use an i386 chroot (which is most of what exagear is)
[17:41] <shiftplusone> *patched
[17:41] <shiftplusone> but why bother. You can use the trial version of exagear and see if you get the performance you're after. I'd say RealVNC is better for this.
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[17:44] <bennabiy> What is the easiest way to get a headset with mic working on a pi ?
[17:45] <bennabiy> I tried hooking up a jabra wave+ over bluetooth and I get audio, but no mic
[17:45] <shiftplusone> Good question
[17:45] * bennabiy cheers...
[17:45] <bennabiy> I like when I ask good questions :)
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[17:45] <bennabiy> ;)
[17:47] <kihis> umm. what is the size of gpio pinholes on zero?
[17:47] <shiftplusone> When I say 'good question' I generally mean that I don't have a good answer >.>
[17:49] <Henkka> kihis: my measuring says 0,82 mm =)
[17:50] <kihis> Henkka: mmkay. thanks :)
[17:50] <bennabiy> shiftplusone: I know... I was just trying to soften the blow
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[17:50] <shiftplusone> does alsa list any recording devices at all after you connect
[17:50] <bennabiy> I have a USB headset which works, but anything smaller than that gives me audio and no mic
[17:50] <shiftplusone> actually, forget alsa, it would be using pulseaudio
[17:51] <shiftplusone> I'd play with pavucontrol or whatever it's called
[17:51] <bennabiy> actually it does have also
[17:51] <bennabiy> alsa
[17:51] <bennabiy> *
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[17:52] <kihis> anyone familiar with pcb designing? :P
[17:54] <Chillum> a bit
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[17:54] <methuzla> a byte
[17:55] <pwillard> Header pins normally land at around .7mm... so they better be .82 or larger or even just a test fit would make them get stuck.
[17:55] <GrandPa-G> I am finding that if I do a shutdown and the pi stops, sometime later it will start again. Unpredicatable when. Other than pulling the plug any ideas how to stop this?
[17:56] <pwillard> however... MOST PCB houses now will want drill sizes in .5mm increments
[17:57] <bennabiy> pavucontrol is not working (had to install it) and alsamixer shows me no capture controls
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[18:00] <kihis> i need a board where i can solder that FPC cable: http://www.buydisplay.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/c577d1203d4a53d9f98182eb6081b1d6/3/_/3.4_inch_240x160_dot_matrix_serial_lcd_display_interface_black_on_white.jpg
[18:01] <kihis> and then connect to it via non-microscopic wires ;P
[18:01] <kihis> any idea is there anything i can just buy, or do i have to order a custom board from somewhere?
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[18:05] <pwillard> Pretty Sure that Schmartboard makes them
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[18:08] <pwillard> You just add the connector http://schmartboard.com/schmartboard-ez-1-25mm-pitch-smt-connector-board-202-0038-01/
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[18:10] <kihis> umm. there is no 0.9mm pitch ;P
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[18:15] <clean> Is it possible to set up a raspberry pi 3 with both both opengl (not es) and hardware video decode support? From my understanding only the open source VC4 driver supports opengl, and only the proprietary firmware video driver supports hw video decode?
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[18:20] <redrabbit> Could not resolve 'archive.raspberrypi.org'
[18:21] <redrabbit> any of you guys have trouble with apt get ?
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[18:22] <kihis> redrabbit: does anything else resolves?
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[18:38] <YuGiOhJCJ> redrabbit, http://archive.raspberrypi.org/ is available from here
[18:38] <YuGiOhJCJ> I have no problem to resolve this address
[18:39] <shauno> ditto
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[18:46] <oq> I have a similiar issue, although it's not the resolving that is it an issue, it's the getting
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[18:47] <oq> http://pastebin.com/raw/vJxH3z62
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[18:51] <GreeningGalaxy> anybody here run Ubuntu MATE on a Pi?
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[18:52] <leftyfb> GreeningGalaxy: not at the moment, but I have
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[18:52] <GreeningGalaxy> I've been trying it out, but it's given me pretty mixed results
[18:52] <GreeningGalaxy> it keeps freezing at random times. I don't get it.
[18:53] <oq> why would one pick ubuntu over debian anyway
[18:53] <GreeningGalaxy> I think I have experienced exactly why one would not
[18:53] <leftyfb> oq: The same reason one would pick debian over ubuntu. Personal preference and/or specific needs
[18:54] <oq> leftyfb: they are pretty much the same thing
[18:54] <leftyfb> If they were, we wouldn't be having this discussion
[18:54] <GreeningGalaxy> my only motivation for doing so is that Raspbian's default GUI, as cool as it is, comes with wi-fi and bluetooth applets that absolutely do not suit my needs, and I like that the ones Ubuntu MATE comes with do.
[18:54] <leftyfb> oq: personally, I prefer Ubuntu
[18:54] <oq> is there no mate for raspbian?
[18:54] <leftyfb> GreeningGalaxy: what issues are you having?
[18:55] <GreeningGalaxy> oq: there is, it just isn't set up by default and I have to spend time getting it configured.
[18:55] <GreeningGalaxy> But it might be worthwhile in exchange for not freezing...
[18:55] <GreeningGalaxy> leftyfb: with Ubuntu MATE, or the wifi/bt configurators?
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[18:55] <leftyfb> GreeningGalaxy: MATE
[18:55] <ali1234> one very good reason to pick ubuntu over debian is because debian does not have any packages for mythtv
[18:56] <GreeningGalaxy> leftyfb: it freezes solid for no reason. I cannot find the reason because it's frozen to the extent that I can't even change ttys, and nothing's in the logs on reboot.
[18:56] <GreeningGalaxy> freezes do seem to coincide with heavy processor/IO load, but they never recover on their own without a powercycle
[18:56] <eurodata> hi
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[18:57] <eurodata> I am trying to run the omxplayer on autostart, but it does not work, any idea how ?
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[18:57] <GreeningGalaxy> disabling brltty (which fails every time in the default image) and getting a faster SD card seems to have significantly reduced the frequency of freezes, but not to the extent that I'm willing to do anything mission-critical on the machine like I am when I have Raspbian installed.
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[18:58] <oq> ali1234: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_Light#Raspberry_Pi
[18:58] <ali1234> what?
[18:59] <redrabbit> you can use any network manager on pixel
[18:59] <oq> ali1234: "ali1234> one very good reason to pick ubuntu over debian is because debian does not have any packages for mythtv"
[18:59] <eurodata> pixel
[18:59] <ali1234> "deb http://dl.bintray.com/bennettpeter/deb/ jessie myth28"
[18:59] <ali1234> no thanks
[18:59] <ali1234> i like my repos to not randomly disappear one day
[18:59] <redrabbit> or simply use none, wpa_supplicant is enough
[18:59] <GreeningGalaxy> I seem to remember trying and failing to get nm-applet to work on Pixel. Guess I should try again
[19:00] <ali1234> also mythtv-light doesn't incude any of the backend, so it is useless to me
[19:01] <GreeningGalaxy> I really, really need to be able to connect to wpa2-enterprise networks, and for some reason that's not implemented in the default network utility. which surprises me given how geared towards education (and therefore stuff like i.e. eduroam) the Pi ostensibly is when it comes to desktop use.
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[19:02] <redrabbit> use wpa supplicant
[19:02] <redrabbit> directly
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[19:02] <redrabbit> your setup with ubuntu sounds less than ideal from your reports
[19:03] <leftyfb> redrabbit: he's not asking to use wpa_supplicant. He's asking to use a GUI interface, preferably the one built into MATE.
[19:04] <leftyfb> GreeningGalaxy: are you able to try ubuntu mate imaged onto a new SD card?
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[19:04] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah, so far switching to MATE under Raspbian is a decent, if time-consuming solution. I guess I should be building my own images to work with (also i'm a she, btw)
[19:04] <GreeningGalaxy> leftyfb: yes, I've tried many different SD cards and many different Pi hardware. It's definitely a software problem.
[19:04] <redrabbit> leftyfb: its a one time issue
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[19:04] <redrabbit> configure wpa_supplicant and be done
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[19:05] <GreeningGalaxy> many different Pi hardware? s/hardware/boards/
[19:05] <redrabbit> could be simpler than messing with various guis..
[19:05] <leftyfb> GreeningGalaxy: I didn't have any lockup issues when I was running Ubuntu MATE
[19:05] <GreeningGalaxy> maybe I just got a bad image
[19:05] <leftyfb> redrabbit: again, he's asking to use a GUI interface. wpa_supplicant is not applicable
[19:05] <redrabbit> he wants to connect to wifi enterprise
[19:06] <GreeningGalaxy> she*
[19:06] <leftyfb> redrabbit: using a GUI interface
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[19:06] <redrabbit> the gui isnt what matters most
[19:06] <leftyfb> GreeningGalaxy: my apologies
[19:06] <GreeningGalaxy> its k
[19:06] <redrabbit> the outcome is
[19:06] <leftyfb> redrabbit: it is when it matters
[19:07] <GreeningGalaxy> It matters when you're in a class full of students who know zero things about Linux, and they all need to get online.
[19:07] <GreeningGalaxy> GUI is the difference between being able to do it and not.
[19:07] <leftyfb> GreeningGalaxy: my assumption would be a bad image/sd card. Are you seeing this with a fresh image before making any changes?
[19:08] <GreeningGalaxy> yes, fresh image. SD card was the first thing I suspected and changed.
[19:08] <redrabbit> do you need to be able to change wifi AP or just need to connect to one particular network
[19:08] <GreeningGalaxy> changing AP would be great, there are two that vary in strength depending on where you are
[19:08] <leftyfb> GreeningGalaxy: anything plugged into the pi?
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[19:09] <redrabbit> ok then mate on raspbian lite could be good
[19:09] <GreeningGalaxy> keyboard, mouse, HDMI-VGA adapter, VGA monitor, 2.5A USB power supply
[19:09] <redrabbit> is there a way to use that gui tool you like on pixel ? maybe
[19:09] <GreeningGalaxy> I'll have another go at getting NetworkManager working in Pixel today
[19:09] <redrabbit> it should work
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[19:10] <oq> why not just add the wifi config to one pi via cli and then reimage the rest of the pis with that preconfigured image
[19:10] <leftyfb> GreeningGalaxy: i'll try Ubuntu mate on my pi3 in a bit
[19:10] <redrabbit> oq: there is a need for GUI..
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[19:10] <redrabbit> i proposed to use only wpa_supplicant as well
[19:10] <oq> redrabbit: if its already configured the students don't need to touch the wifi config
[19:10] <redrabbit> that's what i was saying too
[19:10] <redrabbit> :/
[19:11] <leftyfb> they do if they need to "touch the wifi config"
[19:11] <leftyfb> as she specified
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[19:11] <redrabbit> "changing AP would be great, there are two that vary in strength depending on where you are" < there's that though
[19:11] <redrabbit> you could make a script that changes automatically
[19:12] <redrabbit> ^^
[19:12] <GreeningGalaxy> lol, I love how "but why can't you just use the cli that I'm so familiar with" is such a default response to any gui question in Linux
[19:12] <leftyfb> GreeningGalaxy: not all of us
[19:12] <GreeningGalaxy> I get it, knowing the cli and having the universal trump card over confusing GUIs is fun, but seriously now
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[19:12] <GreeningGalaxy> I know, I never said all of you
[19:12] <GreeningGalaxy> It's not something that everyone says, but it is something that someone always says.
[19:13] <redrabbit> you should be able to use network manager on pixel
[19:13] <GreeningGalaxy> alright, I think I must've bungled it up somehow last I tried
[19:13] <redrabbit> remove default manager then install it
[19:13] <redrabbit> default is wicd right?
[19:14] <leftyfb> what's with the goal of basically telling users NOT to use ubuntu? Not cool
[19:15] <redrabbit> who said that
[19:15] <leftyfb> really?
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[19:17] <shiftplusone> What's the problem with the pixel network plugin?
[19:18] <redrabbit> wifi enterprise apparently
[19:18] <shiftplusone> ah
[19:18] <leftyfb> GreeningGalaxy: which version of ubuntu mate were you running?
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[19:18] <GreeningGalaxy> A vocal minority of linux people hate Ubuntu because it focuses more on new users and less on 1337 haxers. Pretty much to be expected, really
[19:18] <GreeningGalaxy> leftyfb: uh, 16.04? I think.. let me make sure
[19:18] <oq> how abusrd
[19:18] <leftyfb> GreeningGalaxy: bingo :)
[19:18] <leftyfb> GreeningGalaxy: ok, let me try that on my pi 3
[19:19] <kihis> duh. why every damn pcb designing software like from 80's
[19:19] <kihis> +is
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[19:19] <kihis> who needs user friendly ;P
[19:19] <redrabbit> its for productivity
[19:21] <GreeningGalaxy> real board designers use grid paper, straightedges, and turkey feather quills
[19:21] <GreeningGalaxy> also slide rules
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[19:39] <leftyfb> btw, the pi foundations post isn't exactly correct "Raspberry Pi Zero W is available from all Zero distributors today, with the exception of Micro Center, who should have stock in stores by the end of this week."
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[19:39] <leftyfb> The Microcenter in Cambridge, MA will not have them by the end of the week. Monday at the earliest but even that is unlikely
[19:40] <leftyfb> I'm not sure about other locations
[19:40] <oq> they said should, not will
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> kihis, How complex a board are you designing?
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[19:43] <alesan> hello
[19:43] <alesan> I have a monitor that has a resolution of 2048x1152
[19:43] <alesan> Raspberry pi connects through a HDMI-DVI converter and xrandr says it's 1920x1152
[19:43] <alesan> is this expected? how can I fix it?
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> I'm not sure the Pi will do more than that...
[19:44] <methuzla> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Video
[19:44] <methuzla> hdmi_mode=84
[19:44] <methuzla> ?
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[19:45] <gordonDrogon> oh. never noticed that before. doesn't sound like it has square pixels though...
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[19:46] <methuzla> not that i've tested it or anything. just. well. there it is...
[19:46] <oq> you can have a custom CVT mode
[19:47] <alesan> oq, why any oyther computer or device (Linux) does not have a problem with this, no custom CVT's etc?
[19:48] <ali1234> alesan: two reasons
[19:48] <ali1234> PCs don't have a problem with it because PC graphics cards follow the VESA standard
[19:48] <ali1234> everything else does not have a problem because the drivers are open source
[19:49] <alesan> are you saying the Raspbery PI does not have open source vdeo drivers?
[19:49] <ali1234> yes
[19:49] <alesan> are ou referring to xorg or kernel (or??) video drivers?
[19:49] <ali1234> that's exacrtly what i am saying
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[19:50] <oq> binary blobs woooo
[19:50] <alesan> kernel or xorg drivers?
[19:50] <ali1234> graphics drivers
[19:51] * shiftplusone notes that there is an open source driver which supports less displays and has other problems with resolutions.
[19:51] <alesan> yes, kernel drivers or xorg drivers? or other?
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[19:51] <ali1234> other
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[19:51] <ali1234> alesan: you may find the not-open-source binaries in /boot/start.elf
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[19:51] <alesan> other? at what level do they play a role, when are they executed?
[19:52] <ali1234> well
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[19:52] <ali1234> when you turn on the pi, there is a small piece of code embedded into ROM
[19:52] <ali1234> that loads start.elf from the sd card
[19:52] <ali1234> start.elf reads config.txt and configures the video card however you requested
[19:52] <kihis> gordonDrogon: _very_ simple board
[19:52] <alesan> methuzla, I tried modifying the config.txt setting hdmi_group=2 and hdmi_mode=2 but it does not change unfortunately :(
[19:53] <alesan> ali1234, OK, boot loader drivers then
[19:53] <ali1234> then start.elf loads the kernel from sd card and executes it on the arm co-processor
[19:53] <alesan> co-processor?
[19:53] <ali1234> yes, co-processor
[19:53] <alesan> is it a tiny arm core that is not setup for SMP?
[19:54] <alesan> otherwise why do you call it co-processor?
[19:54] <kihis> gordonDrogon: i need an "adaptor" from that FPC http://www.buydisplay.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/c577d1203d4a53d9f98182eb6081b1d6/3/_/3.4_inch_240x160_dot_matrix_serial_lcd_display_interface_black_on_white.jpg to those: https://goo.gl/66Z7qQ
[19:54] <ali1234> then, whenever the linux kernel wants to do anything involving graphics, it communicates with start.elf through a shared memory mailbox system
[19:54] <ali1234> start.elf receives the requests and reconfigures the graphics hardware as appropriate
[19:55] <kihis> gordonDrogon: so something where i can solder that FPC and holes for the pins
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[19:56] <ali1234> so for example, when the kernel draws stuff on the "framebuffer" console, what is actually happening is that start.elf has allocated a GPU texture with backing memory and handed the pointer to it into the kernel
[19:56] <alesan> OK interesting, I will not ask why the raspberry pi foundation chose such chip that needs the blob
[19:56] <ali1234> the kernel then treats it like a hardware framebuffer, but really it is emulated in software on the main processor
[19:56] <kihis> gordonDrogon: (and a couple of holes from screws
[19:56] <alesan> but what I ask is - what is this ARM co-processor?
[19:57] <ali1234> the ARM co-processor is where linux runs
[19:57] <alesan> why is it called co-processor and what is different from the main processor
[19:57] <ali1234> the main processor is where start.elf runs
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[19:57] <ali1234> the ARM co-processor can't even boot up without the main processor
[19:58] <ali1234> the main processor uses a proprietary architecture
[19:58] <alesan> I though the raspberry pi 3 (sorry I did not specify 3 before) had 4 ARM cores in SMP
[19:58] <ali1234> no complete compiler is available for it
[19:58] <ali1234> it does
[19:58] <ali1234> it also has a videocore IV, like all raspberry pi
[19:58] <alesan> and the co-processor is another core?
[19:58] <ali1234> no, the co-processor is the four arm cores
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> kihis, ok - just curious - the free options these days seems to be Fritzing and KiCad
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[20:03] <kihis> gordonDrogon: tried both. kicad was very complicated and didnt understand how to design just the pcb without breadboarding with fritzing ...
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[20:04] <ali1234> i could design that board for you
[20:04] <ali1234> it might be too big for eagle free though
[20:05] <shiftplusone> kihis: take a look at contextual electronics blinky example to get the basics of kicad.
[20:05] <kihis> ali1234: umm. big? :D 25 solderable holes + 25 solderable pads. is there some serious limits in eagle?
[20:06] <kihis> shiftplusone: yeah. maybe tomorrow. :)
[20:06] <ali1234> i think free version is limited to 2 layers and 5cm x 5cm
[20:07] <kihis> ali1234: the board should be something like 35mm x 20mm :) or as tiny as possible
[20:07] <ali1234> okay
[20:07] <ali1234> so you just want an adapter?
[20:07] <ali1234> not something to mount the screen on?
[20:08] <kihis> ali1234: nope. just an adapter
[20:08] <ali1234> what connectors?
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[20:08] <kihis> ali1234: wait a minute. i'll do a quick image
[20:08] <ali1234> image is no use
[20:08] <ali1234> i need the part numbert
[20:08] <kihis> oh. http://www.buydisplay.com/download/manual/ERC240160-1_Series_Datasheet.pdf page 7
[20:09] <kihis> ali1234: because that FPC connector is solder-only
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[20:10] <ali1234> you can probably buy this exact board on ebay already
[20:11] <kihis> ali1234: just found some way too huge "universal" boards for that aplication
[20:11] <ali1234> pitch 0.9mm
[20:11] <kihis> yeah
[20:11] <ali1234> are you sure it is solder only?
[20:12] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-5mm-To-1-2mm-Pin-Pitch-Adapter-PCB-FPC-Board-2-0-3-5inch-TFT-LCD-SMD-To-DIP-/281558478143?hash=item418e316d3f:g:ZdIAAOxyaTxTVq37
[20:12] <kihis> ali1234: that's what they said at buydisplay.com's support
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[20:12] <ali1234> you will not be able to get a custom board made for cheaper than that ^
[20:13] <kihis> ali1234: i know. but i need a tiny board :) that's too big
[20:14] <ali1234> its 25 pin right?
[20:14] <kihis> ali1234: yeah
[20:15] <ali1234> 0.9mm fpc does not seem to exist
[20:16] <ali1234> can you measure it and confirm?
[20:16] <kihis> maybe
[20:16] <ali1234> this would explain why there are no connectors for it
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[20:19] <kihis> actually pretty hard to measure that cable :D
[20:19] <ali1234> measure distance between the two outside pins and then divide by 24
[20:19] <ali1234> (not 25)
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[20:22] <kihis> about 22mm (maybe 22.2mm)
[20:22] <ali1234> 21.6?
[20:22] <ali1234> that's 0.9 then
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[20:22] <codebam> how can I install rasbian stretch, or can I just install stable then switch to stretch repos?
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[20:22] <Emil> codebam: yes
[20:23] <leftyfb> GreeningGalaxy: was there anything you did on your ubuntu mate install to get it to freeze?
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[20:23] <codebam> Emil: okay, cool thanks
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[20:24] <[Saint]> codebam: in my experience it pays to completely remove the rpf jessie repository from /etc/sources.list.d/
[20:24] <kihis> ali1234: 21.6 is from beginning of the first pin to beginning of the last pin
[20:24] <[Saint]> the risk of conflicts and having to micromanage pinning isn't worth it.
[20:24] <codebam> [Saint]: yeah that's what I was going to do, no need to have stable if I have unstable. it'll just cause unneccesary problems
[20:24] <[Saint]> well...when I say 'completely remove', just comment it out.
[20:24] <[Saint]> it's fine.
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[20:25] <kihis> ali1234: just like the datasheet says :)
[20:25] <codebam> yeah
[20:25] <[Saint]> codebam: just thought I'd make you aware, a lot of people don't even seem to know about the daemonised version of sources.list.
[20:25] <[Saint]> or that there's an RPF sources queue in there.
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[20:25] <kihis> ali1234: (except datasheet seems to measure middle of those pins)
[20:26] <codebam> haha yeah I know, thanks though :)
[20:26] <[Saint]> codebam: source on 'yes it's OK to do this'
[20:26] <[Saint]> <-- been doing it for months
[20:27] <[Saint]> anecdotal at best, I know. but hey.
[20:27] <codebam> ohhh so there's a command you can use to enable sources?
[20:27] <codebam> interesting
[20:27] <ali1234> how do you want the pins arranged?
[20:27] <[Saint]> codebam: No.
[20:27] <codebam> what were you saying then?
[20:28] <codebam> the 'yes it's OK to do this'
[20:28] <codebam> what's that?
[20:28] <[Saint]> codebam: just use sed or manually edit jessie to stretch in /etc/sources.list, and either remove or comment out the source string in /etc/sources.list.d/* (there's only one file in there I can't remember the naming schema of offhand).
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[20:29] <[Saint]> ^ that is "this"
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[20:29] <[Saint]> then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:29] <[Saint]> it'll pull about ~300MB for the 'lite' version.
[20:30] <codebam> ahh right okay. thanks!
[20:30] <ShorTie> best to use a new image then upgrade from wheezy to jessie
[20:30] <ShorTie> per Debian
[20:30] <[Saint]> Yes. It is.
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[20:31] <[Saint]> Preferably the 'lite' version, too - because no one needs several GB of shit they'll likely never touch.
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[20:31] <ali1234> kihis: how do you want the output pins arranged?
[20:31] <ali1234> 2 rows of 13?
[20:31] <[Saint]> like, what...1.5GB of wolphram alpha? lol
[20:31] <[Saint]> something like that. it's insane.
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[20:31] <codebam> ShorTie: *than
[20:31] <codebam> (sorry)
[20:32] <[Saint]> Don't be sorry. Then/than, there/their, and/an pisses me off too.
[20:33] <codebam> yeah just don't want to be 'that guy' that corrects everyone's grammar mistakes
[20:33] <[Saint]> Someone has to be. Not all heroes wear capes.
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[20:33] <redrabbit> guys
[20:33] <SqrtOfPi> Hi! Have you ever tried RPi 0 or RPi 0 W ?
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[20:33] <redrabbit> i have the 0
[20:33] <redrabbit> waiting for the W..
[20:34] <[Saint]> what's a 0 W?
[20:34] <[Saint]> ...wireless, presumably?
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[20:34] <SqrtOfPi> Is there audio via GPIO with RPi0?
[20:34] <SqrtOfPi> I mean analog out (for headphones or speaker)
[20:35] <redrabbit> there is from the hdmi
[20:35] <redrabbit> no idea about that
[20:35] <SqrtOfPi> redrabbit: hdmi is digital, so I cannot use that for headphones?
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[20:35] <redrabbit> yes
[20:35] <[Saint]> Sure you can. But not directly.
[20:36] <[Saint]> ADCs exist for a reason.
[20:36] <kihis> ali1234: 2 rows please :)
[20:36] <SqrtOfPi> [Saint] you mean DAC
[20:36] <[Saint]> I do, Yes. But sometimes my fingers disagree with me.
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[20:37] <[Saint]> Good catch.
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[20:38] <kihis> ali1234: two 2.5mm holes for mounting screws would also be nice :)
[20:38] <[Saint]> You turning ali1234 into a PCB monkey?
[20:39] <[Saint]> "PCB monkey, route this for me!"
[20:39] <[Saint]> *claps hands*
[20:39] <kihis> [Saint]: he did it all by himself! don't blame me!
[20:39] <[Saint]> hahaha
[20:40] * [Saint] has about 30 minutes to left to call in to work today if he's going to.
[20:40] <[Saint]> I reaaaaaaaaally can't be bothered with it
[20:40] <[Saint]> havin' one of those "can't be faffed with anything" days.
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[20:41] <[Saint]> Can't decide to just grin and bear it or let them run around with their heads cut off and pick up the damage after my long weekend.
[20:41] <SqrtOfPi> With the RPi0, can you connect it directly to PC and SSH?
[20:41] <SqrtOfPi> USB host
[20:41] <[Saint]> SqrtOfPi: Yes.
[20:42] <[Saint]> It has a USB host mode that emulates a network adapter.
[20:42] <SqrtOfPi> cool!
[20:42] <kihis> SqrtOfPi: https://learn.adafruit.com/turning-your-raspberry-pi-zero-into-a-usb-gadget/ethernet-gadget
[20:43] <redrabbit> how come one of my pi0 shows 371MB of ram and the other 434MB
[20:44] <SqrtOfPi> Thanks kihis
[20:44] <SqrtOfPi> [Saint]: which microUSB should I use for this?
[20:44] <oq> redrabbit: perhaps one got allocated more gpu ram
[20:45] <redrabbit> oh good guess thanks
[20:45] <redrabbit> im gonna check that
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[20:46] <SqrtOfPi> [Saint] The PWR in or USB one ?
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[20:47] <SqrtOfPi> if it's the USB one, this means that when plugging computer to Pi in USB host mode, no other USB will be available on the RPi 0 ? :(
[20:47] <[Saint]> Given that the power port _only_ supplies power and doesn't even have data pins, what does your gut tell you?
[20:47] <[Saint]> and, this is what USB hubs are for.
[20:47] <redrabbit> what should i put for headless pi
[20:47] <redrabbit> ?
[20:47] <redrabbit> 16MB ?
[20:48] <SqrtOfPi> [Saint] then this PWR IN is totally useless.
[20:48] <[Saint]> redrabbit: 16MB, yes, or use CMA.
[20:48] <redrabbit> what's that
[20:48] <SqrtOfPi> Why haven't they turned this into a USB2 ?
[20:48] <SqrtOfPi> I mean a 2nd USB
[20:48] <SqrtOfPi> it would be the same $ for connectors
[20:48] <[Saint]> redrabbit: Continuous Memory Allocation
[20:48] <SqrtOfPi> but it would be more useful...
[20:48] <redrabbit> allright
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[20:49] <[Saint]> one second.
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[20:52] <redrabbit> for headless it shouldnt make a difference ?
[20:53] <[Saint]> redrabbit:
[20:53] <[Saint]> config.cfg - http://pastebin.com/gAHK0Nhf
[20:53] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/mHA7fTcZ
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[20:54] <[Saint]> you pretty much want to ignore everything there except the memory section.
[20:54] <[Saint]> CMA allows you to assign a large potential pool that gets allocated dynamically.
[20:54] <[Saint]> So you can make use of it _if you want to_ without faffing around.
[20:55] <[Saint]> it's up to you how you approach it, I'm just showing you what's possible.
[20:55] <redrabbit> cool, i c/p that stuff to my documents
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[20:55] <[Saint]> errr, crap - I botched the naming. s/cfg/txt/
[20:56] <[Saint]> it's the content that matters.
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[20:57] <oq> ...you sign your config.txt?
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[20:57] <[Saint]> I sign everything I commit. Force of habit.
[20:58] <[Saint]> I just didn;t have that in a public repo yet.
[20:58] <redrabbit> yet you used pastebin :>>
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[20:59] <[Saint]> the two aren't mutually exclusive things.
[21:00] <[Saint]> the choice was either dump plain text to a bin, or faff about making this repo public and stripping out a bunch of cruft from it before I did.
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[21:02] <[Saint]> you /probably/ should stick away from my overclock settings. they're rather specific and while they work for me pretty much across the board your device might die in a fire and kick your cat.
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[21:02] <redrabbit> i keep that in my personal documentation
[21:02] <redrabbit> i guess i can stick to 16mb for headless
[21:02] <swensson> Weird, I'm missing "SPI / ssh" options in raspi-config :O
[21:03] <[Saint]> though, everything but the undervolting, sdram_freq, and sdhost overclock should work for most people.
[21:03] <oq> the pi0 is already overclocked well enough
[21:04] <[Saint]> most people will bounce off the sdhost imploding their filesystem or getting tripped up on bad clocks I think.
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[21:04] <[Saint]> oq: bullcrap - there's plenty of headroom.
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[21:04] <[Saint]> its clocked at a _safe_ level guaranteed to function across the board.
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[21:05] <[Saint]> for individual boards there can be quite some headroom available.
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[21:06] <[Saint]> I should note that, though you'd probably figure it out anyway, with an ARM clock of 1400MHz this obviously targets Pi 3 boards.
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[21:06] <[Saint]> wifi and bt dtoverlays should also give that away.
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[21:06] <oq> pi0 has wifi now though
[21:07] <[Saint]> the three people that own them will be very surprised if they ever find my custom config then.
[21:07] <oq> well it's hard to own since they were released 2 days ago
[21:07] <[Saint]> precisely my point.
[21:07] <oq> mine shipped yesterday >.>
[21:08] <[Saint]> yeah, I mean, it's almost as if that was the point I was making...weird huh?
[21:08] <oq> should be here tomorrow or saturday
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[21:13] <wonderer> hi all
[21:13] <wonderer> how can i reduced the size of disk in use on a raspberr pi 3 using 16gb
[21:13] <wonderer> trying to image the disk
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[21:14] <Travis> Is it possible to use the Element14 7" screen and the HDMI port for video, at the same time?
[21:14] <wonderer> and then write the image to another 16gb sd gives me an error the disk is not large enough
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[21:14] <kihis> wonderer: can you mount both disks at the same time?
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[21:23] <ali1234> kihis: $4.20 plus shipping for three
[21:23] <ali1234> from oshpark
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[21:24] <kihis> ali1234: that's not too expensive
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[21:25] <kihis> (if shipping fees are reasonable)
[21:25] <ali1234> also the whole thing is done to an imperial grid
[21:26] <ali1234> http://i.imgur.com/h1hXTxs.png
[21:26] <ali1234> grid = 0.05 inch
[21:26] <kihis> !!!! that's looks just what i need!
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[21:30] <ali1234> https://oshpark.com/
[21:30] <ali1234> shipping is free apparently
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[21:34] <ali1234> kihis: email?
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[21:34] <kihis> ali1234: pm'd
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[21:35] <Encrypt> Oshpark is awesome
[21:35] <Encrypt> I've already ordered PCBs there
[21:36] <Encrypt> The PCBs were so neat
[21:36] <kihis> Encrypt: nice to hear!
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[21:39] <Encrypt> kihis, http://share.encrypt-tips.tk/rpi_saver2.jpg
[21:39] <Encrypt> Here is what was supposed to be the "Raspberry Pi Saver"
[21:39] <Encrypt> I've never had time to finish it
[21:39] <Encrypt> kihis, With the components: http://share.encrypt-tips.tk/rpi_saver.jpg
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[21:40] <Encrypt> (The photograph is kinda blurred unfortunately :/)
[21:40] <ali1234> oshpark are good but expensive
[21:40] <ali1234> compared with similar services anyway
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[21:43] <kihis> ali1234: thanks a lot! email received!
[21:44] <ali1234> i didn't actually verify it meets the oshpark design rules
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[21:44] <ali1234> but it should be okay
[21:45] <kihis> i'll try :)
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[21:46] <ali1234> also i didn't put a ground plane on the bottom
[21:47] <kihis> ground plane?
[21:47] <ali1234> just means the bottom layer will have no copper
[21:47] <ali1234> vs being completely covered
[21:47] <ali1234> hang on i'll add one
[21:48] <ali1234> its better for the environment to not dissolve all that copper
[21:48] <ali1234> other than that it makes no difference
[21:48] <kihis> ;)
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[21:54] <codebam> is there anything else I have to do to enable ssh other than touching 'ssh' in /boot?
[21:54] <codebam> I'm trying to ssh into a new install without a display
[21:54] <ShorTie> no[
[21:54] <ShorTie> nop
[21:55] <ShorTie> might take a few till in responds
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[21:56] <redrabbit> so when you activate camera module it takes about 110mb ram
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[21:56] <redrabbit> is that normal ?
[21:56] <ali1234> memory split is configurable
[21:56] <redrabbit> i got it at 16mb on 2 pi0
[21:57] <t3chguy> anyone know indepth about the Pi's onboard Wifi (Zero W specifically), does it forbid use of some of the GPIO? I'm looking to hook this up to a W https://pinout.xyz/pinout/papirus_zero but if it'd conflict I'll just stick it on a reg Zero
[21:57] <ali1234> i think the minimum is 32 for working camera
[21:57] <redrabbit> one shows 371Mb, the other 482
[21:57] <t3chguy> ali1234: did you ever make any more of your USBStem?
[21:57] <redrabbit> first one have camera module on
[21:57] <ali1234> t3chguy: consult my gpio spreadsheet for wifi info
[21:57] <redrabbit> the rest of the config is the same, exactly
[21:57] <redrabbit> (config.txt)
[21:57] <ali1234> t3chguy: the boards have been produced and i am waiting for shipment
[21:58] <t3chguy> who did you end up going with?
[21:58] <ali1234> dirtypcbs
[21:58] <redrabbit> exept that : start_x=1
[21:58] <t3chguy> fair enough
[21:58] <ali1234> you'll be able to buy them in a well know store soon :)
[21:58] <t3chguy> I'm looking to have a low volume PCB made for pogo programming ESPs
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[21:58] <t3chguy> neat
[21:58] <t3chguy> I've still got mine
[21:58] <t3chguy> use it quite often
[21:59] <ali1234> luckily the new zero w is compatible
[21:59] <t3chguy> I've seen quite a few YT videos of people just soldering a USB connector and wires then covering the thing with hotsnot
[21:59] <ali1234> yes i hate when people do stuff like that
[21:59] <t3chguy> linked to your video each time
[21:59] <ali1234> anyway regarding wifi: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nUnaWl_veBKlnqsDwPQUYZNKKiIYhf8f8a6e_bd1cKc/edit?usp=sharing
[22:00] <ali1234> the on board wifi uses SD1 device on pins 34 to 43
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[22:00] <ali1234> so you cannot redirect SD1 to the microsd slot or gpio
[22:00] <ali1234> other than that, it has no effect
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[22:01] <ali1234> and if you are wondering, bluetooth uses PCM device on pins 28-31 and the UART TX/RX on 32 and 33
[22:01] <t3chguy> when you say pins I presume IC pins as you're going over the 40 limit of the GPIO?
[22:01] <ali1234> yes, see "BCM column"
[22:02] <ali1234> the first column has the GPIO header pins marked in yellow
[22:02] <w9qbj> Trying to set up Plex on RPi-3, followed steps including reboot. logged in :32400/web checked ps -ef and found plexmediaserver. But the :32400/web keeps telling me it can't find a server. any hints??
[22:03] <kihis> ali1234: just ordered three boards! thanks again!
[22:03] <ali1234> kihis: let me know how it turns out.
[22:03] <kihis> ali1234: sure!
[22:03] <ali1234> hopefully i didn't blunder and get the pitch wrong or something
[22:03] <t3chguy> ali1234: so am I correct in reading that none of the pins that WiFi requires are broken out onto GPIO in the first place?
[22:03] <ali1234> t3chguy: no
[22:03] <ali1234> they are broken out on to GPIO as well
[22:04] <ali1234> you know, since devices can be remapped
[22:04] <kihis> ali1234: nah. it'll be fine!
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[22:04] <ali1234> you can put SD1 onto the GPIO if you want, and connect a SD slot to it
[22:04] <kihis> but now away, must sleep
[22:04] <ali1234> but you can't do that at the same time as using the onboard wifi
[22:05] <ali1234> the actual physical chip pins are not part of the gpio header
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[22:07] <john_rambo> I am using OSMC. Where is the library and how do I add videos to the library ?
[22:09] <leftyfb> john_rambo: http://kodi.wiki/view/Video_library
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[22:13] <redrabbit> i confirm what i said above
[22:13] <redrabbit> camera module uses 110mb
[22:13] <redrabbit> its not video memory its something else
[22:14] <redrabbit> just desactivated it and i get full ram back
[22:14] <john_rambo> leftyfb, But thats Kodi and I am using OSMC
[22:16] <t3chguy> ali1234, its been a long day, mind just confirming it in a boolean manner? While your spreadsheet is definitely useful I'd rather go off a yes/no will it interfere (though my current understand is almost certainly it will not) Thanks
[22:16] <ali1234> yes?
[22:16] <t3chguy> s/understand/understanding
[22:16] <ali1234> what do you want to do?
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[22:17] <t3chguy> use Wifi at same time as a pHat that hogs nearly all the GPIO (https://pinout.xyz/pinout/papirus_zero)
[22:18] <leftyfb> john_rambo: osmc = kodi
[22:18] <plugwash> t3chguy, Theres pins and there are perhipherals
[22:18] <ali1234> t3chguy: okay, what gpio functions does it use?
[22:19] <ali1234> i nearly bought one of those hats today
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[22:20] <plugwash> Wifi uses SDIO, unless you have a hat with a SD card slot or something that is unlikely to be an issue.
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[22:20] <ali1234> checking the github
[22:20] <john_rambo> leftyfb, At the point where it asks to browse the video source I cant find the video folder (its my usb flash drive) ..Any idea about the path ?
[22:20] <t3chguy> there is very little info about the workings of this hat/phat
[22:21] <plugwash> Bluetooth uses serial, the default configuration is to give the mini uart to the GPIO header and the full UART to the bluetooth
[22:22] <ali1234> t3chguy: the schematic and board layout are on github
[22:22] <ali1234> t3chguy: it will work fine for you
[22:23] <t3chguy> thank you ali1234
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[22:27] <leftyfb> john_rambo: follow the instructions on setting up a new source
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[22:28] <NineChickens> o/
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[22:31] <GenteelBen> There are nine chickens. 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9. Nine chickens.
[22:33] <NineChickens> yes
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[22:33] <NineChickens> ok, need some help
[22:33] <NineChickens> I did 'sudo apt-get install minecraft-pi' to install mcpi
[22:34] <NineChickens> then I need to figure out how to run it
[22:34] <NineChickens> that'd be cd [mcpi directory] and then whatever the command to run it is, right?
[22:34] <NineChickens> something like ./minecraft-pi
[22:34] <GenteelBen> https://www.raspberrypi.org/learning/getting-started-with-minecraft-pi/software/
[22:35] <GenteelBen> "To run Minecraft double click the desktop icon or enter minecraft-pi in the terminal"
[22:35] <NineChickens> ./minecraft-pi: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22:35] <GenteelBen> NineChickens: which OS? Raspbian?
[22:36] <NineChickens> lemme just apt-get update
[22:36] <GenteelBen> "Try the following in terminal: sudo apt-get update"
[22:36] <GenteelBen> "followed by sudo apt-get install --reinstall libsdl1.2debian"
[22:36] <GenteelBen> Dunno, is there a Pi-specific package for libSDL?
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[22:37] <bub_> when you install minecraft-pi, it should install dependencies..
[22:37] <GenteelBen> "Should" and "does" are two different things in the Linux world.
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[22:38] <bub_> sudo apt-get purge minecraft-pi
[22:38] <bub_> sudo apt-get update
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[22:38] <bub_> sudo apt-get install minecraft-pi
[22:38] <bub_> depends what you've been doing with your system :)
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[22:40] <leftyfb> NineChickens: the latest raspbian comes with minecraft-pi already installed
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[22:41] <NineChickens> dammit
[22:41] <NineChickens> but new error
[22:41] <NineChickens> Couldn't initialize SDL
[22:42] <GenteelBen> Don't count your chickens just yet.
[22:42] <NineChickens> one
[22:42] <NineChickens> two
[22:42] <NineChickens> pi 1B
[22:42] <NineChickens> three
[22:42] <NineChickens> four
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[22:44] <swensson> How do I enable SSH on RPI when I don't have the SSH option within raspi-config?
[22:45] <NineChickens> What are the options?
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[22:46] <swensson> Under advanced ? expand filesystem, overscan, memory split, adui, resolution, GL driver
[22:47] <NineChickens> gimme a minute
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[22:49] <NineChickens> swensson: interfacing
[22:49] <Simonious> https://goo.gl/photos/stsGQ15QQu8f5Ysg6 hooked up like this.. seeing the bootup, never getting to a login screen. Shouldn't I expect to get to a login screen here?
[22:49] <swensson> What
[22:49] <swensson> ahh
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[22:49] <swensson> Ooh I didn't check that menu-.- Thanks alot NineChickens ;D
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[22:50] <NineChickens> not as bad as my error
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[22:50] <NineChickens> I couldn't SSH intp my Pi so I went on the spacex IRC for help
[22:51] <NineChickens> someone linked putty
[22:51] <NineChickens> I pointed out that I had it
[22:51] <NineChickens> "First time using that link in two years and they already have it"
[22:51] <NineChickens> We still couldn't connect
[22:51] <NineChickens> someone said "did you enable the SSH server?"
[22:51] <NineChickens> quick fix then
[22:52] <swensson> haha :)
[22:53] <NineChickens> speaking of that, I need to send my mum into the local computer shop for a 8GB SD card
[22:53] <NineChickens> Pi 3 uses MicroSD, right?
[22:54] <NineChickens> yeah
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[22:54] <leftyfb> NineChickens: the latest raspbian comes with minecraft-pi already installed
[22:54] <NineChickens> ik
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[22:55] <NineChickens> I would use the desktop but the sd card is only 4gb
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[23:01] <w9qbj> Trying to set up Plex on RPi-3, followed steps including reboot. logged in :32400/web checked ps -ef and found plexmediaserver. But the :32400/web keeps telling me it can't find a server. any hints??
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[23:14] <Simonious> ok.. reimaged raspbian lite again, booted no problem connected via serial.. seems so sad to have a device (pi0) with no networking in this modern day.
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[23:15] <SqrtOfPi> Do you know if the top blue line is connected to the bottom blue line by default on a breadboard?
[23:15] <SqrtOfPi> http://energia.nu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Sidekick_Breadboard_Internal_Connections.jpg
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[23:18] <NineChickens> nope
[23:19] <NineChickens> they're separate
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[23:20] <SqrtOfPi> ok
[23:20] <SqrtOfPi> how many GPIO elements on a RPi are available to connect buttons?
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[23:20] <HrdwrBoB> ...
[23:20] <HrdwrBoB> depends
[23:21] <ali1234> about 25
[23:21] <HrdwrBoB> if you want buttons, you could just use a usb keyboard interface
[23:21] <ali1234> or gpio expanders on i2c or spi
[23:21] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[23:22] <HrdwrBoB> or a resistor ladder
[23:22] <ali1234> no
[23:22] <ali1234> no adc
[23:22] <HrdwrBoB> oh yeah
[23:22] <ali1234> but you could add one
[23:22] <HrdwrBoB> or a resistor ladder.. and an ADC :)
[23:22] <ali1234> point being, there's no shortage of io
[23:22] <HrdwrBoB> there's many many ways to skin a cat
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[23:23] <ali1234> i believe sony holds a patent on using a resistor ladder for 1-wire keyboard
[23:23] <ali1234> they used it for inline remote controls on headphones
[23:24] <ali1234> might be expired by now
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[23:25] <HrdwrBoB> interesting
[23:25] <HrdwrBoB> I've only used it for steering wheel controls
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[23:29] <SqrtOfPi> I've simplified the question here: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/62754/gpio-pins-available-for-switches
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[23:31] <ali1234> yes, they are all available in python
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[23:52] <NineChickens> ok
[23:53] <NineChickens> so if I want to connect a servo to a pi I use a breadboard and gpio
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[23:53] <NineChickens> and external battery
[23:53] <NineChickens> but drive switches directly from the pi
[23:53] <HrdwrBoB> you would have to use a servo driver
[23:53] <HrdwrBoB> you don't drive switches as such
[23:54] <HrdwrBoB> but direct wired switches are easily done by useing the googles
[23:54] <HrdwrBoB> also - is a pi right for your application?
[23:54] <HrdwrBoB> should you be using an arduino
[23:54] <HrdwrBoB> or an arduino AND a pi
[23:54] <HrdwrBoB> or something else
[23:54] <NineChickens> shush
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[23:54] <NineChickens> I'm trying to figure out cool things I can do for next to nothing
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[23:55] <HrdwrBoB> make blinking LEDs
[23:55] <HrdwrBoB> also unit cost or an arduino is bugger all
[23:55] <NineChickens> I have no idea where the heck my arduino is
[23:55] <HrdwrBoB> the reality of a decent project is it'll probably end up costing a few hundred $
[23:56] <HrdwrBoB> I know my car gauge project started out with a sub 200 budget
[23:56] <HrdwrBoB> and I'm fairly sure is now over 400
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