#raspberrypi IRC Log

Index

IRC Log for 2017-03-06

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <maicod> GenteelBen: what do you mean with Latin?
[0:00] <ali1234> only for encoding and decoding in a linear fashion
[0:00] <GenteelBen> maicod: modern video editing is rarely done on CPU cores. The bulk of the processing is handled by integrated circuits whose only job is to encode/decode media streams.
[0:01] <GenteelBen> Well
[0:01] <ali1234> only the final render
[0:01] <GenteelBen> GPU processing sometimes gives you worse results but you get a 20x or whatever speedup.
[0:01] <GenteelBen> ali1234: ah, of course.
[0:01] <HrdwrBoB> ali1234: 'quite fast' is relative
[0:01] <ali1234> when editing the editor maintains a cache of decoded raw video in memory
[0:01] <maicod> GenteelBen: oh well I still use my coreduo laptop for video editing so it CAN be done :)
[0:01] <ali1234> because you can't seek properly in MPEG streams
[0:01] <ali1234> not with frame accuracy anyway
[0:01] <GenteelBen> ali1234: how outrageous.
[0:01] <GenteelBen> We need a new format.
[0:02] <ali1234> MPEG is optimized for playback, not for editing
[0:02] <GenteelBen> Something with frame seeking, and hookers.
[0:02] <ali1234> we dont need a new format, raw exists already
[0:02] <GenteelBen> ali1234: duh. The priority is ease of playback not ease of publishing.
[0:02] <ali1234> right
[0:02] <GenteelBen> ali1234: I can't stream uncompressed video over the internets.
[0:02] <GenteelBen> Not if it's 4K HDR 10-bit streams.
[0:02] <GenteelBen> 4K HDR 10-bit 60fps*
[0:02] <ali1234> that's why you render after editing
[0:02] <ali1234> not before
[0:03] <GenteelBen> Hmm I wonder what the render farms look like for studios like Pixar.
[0:03] <ali1234> probably not loads of raspberry pis
[0:03] * gugah (~gugah@181.229.80.60) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[0:03] * noraatepernos (~noraatepe@c-69-181-90-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: noraatepernos)
[0:03] <GenteelBen> I would assume GPU encoding but with a custom firmware / driver for that stuff?
[0:03] <ali1234> absolutely, yes
[0:04] <ali1234> nvidia probably writes custom firmwares for customers like pixar
[0:04] <ali1234> or ATI, or whoever they use
[0:04] <maicod> a different question. I used vlcplayer with openmax IL hardware acceleration out of the box on Ubuntu Mate for the Rpi3 but the vlcplayer in Raspbian doesn't have that decoder. Is it not precompiled for Rasbian ?
[0:05] <ali1234> at the very least they'll have direct access to beta firmwares and bug tracking
[0:05] * noraatepernos (~noraatepe@c-69-181-90-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:06] <iOS5stillsigYAY> does anyone use Riscos on their pi?
[0:07] <maicod> I only know of TBOplayer to play hardware accelerated video on the Pi3.
[0:07] <ali1234> iOS5stillsigYAY: i have never seen anyone here talk about it
[0:07] <ali1234> (in two years)
[0:07] <iOS5stillsigYAY> ali1234: oh ok thanks anyway
[0:08] * rafaeldelucena (~rafaeldel@177.54.13.182) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:08] <mfa298> iOS5stillsigYAY: I have in the past although not recently
[0:09] * GenteelBen (~GenteelBe@cpc70133-lutn12-2-0-cust324.9-3.cable.virginm.net) Quit ()
[0:09] * Mikelevel (~MoVeWoRk@unaffiliated/mikelevel) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:10] * marcdinkum (~marcdinku@2001:985:5982:1:54b0:e4cc:e659:5254) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:10] * charlieray (43576ee3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.87.110.227) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:10] <iOS5stillsigYAY> mfa298: ah ok I need go know how to use the lastest version without starting again
[0:12] <teclo-> rf
[0:12] * neops (~neops@ip-47.net-89-2-128.rev.numericable.fr) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:12] * noraatepernos (~noraatepe@c-69-181-90-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[0:13] * Mikelevel (~MoVeWoRk@unaffiliated/mikelevel) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:13] <iOS5stillsigYAY> teclo-: what does rf mean?
[0:13] <teclo-> iOS5stillsigYAY: sorry, wrong window
[0:14] * maicod (~mailadd@d55059.upc-d.chello.nl) has left #raspberrypi
[0:15] <mfa298> iOS5stillsigYAY: you might need to find a riscos specific forum for that. I't might just be a case of updating a few files on the sd card
[0:16] * mfa298 should really play with riscos systems more - I've got a RiscPC here that doesn't get much use
[0:16] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:17] <iOS5stillsigYAY> mfa298: nice you are into Riscos then?
[0:19] * averagecase (~fjorton@dslb-092-072-187-237.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[0:19] <mfa298> iOS5stillsigYAY: I grew up with it (We had BBC and various acorn machines when I was at school)
[0:20] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[0:20] <iOS5stillsigYAY> mfa298: cool! where are you the world are you? if I can ask UK I take it 😝
[0:21] * willmore (~willmore@c-68-57-232-239.hsd1.in.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[0:21] * humbot (~i@unaffiliated/humbag) Quit (Quit: oops)
[0:21] * aibohphobia (~aibohphob@cpc110555-roth9-2-0-cust97.17-1.cable.virginm.net) Quit (Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish!)
[0:22] <mfa298> iOS5stillsigYAY: yes UK
[0:22] <iOS5stillsigYAY> mfa298: cool
[0:22] <iOS5stillsigYAY> mfa298: I use riscos a lot lol!
[0:23] * willmore (~willmore@c-68-57-232-239.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:23] <iOS5stillsigYAY> mfa298: up north I take it in the south people havent herd of acorn / riscos 😝
[0:23] * Atm0spher1c (~future@unaffiliated/atm0spher1c) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:24] * Mikelevel (~MoVeWoRk@unaffiliated/mikelevel) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:26] * hhmmm (~i@unaffiliated/humbag) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:26] <mfa298> iOS5stillsigYAY: I'm South UK, and there's a few people I know down here that know of acorn/riscos
[0:28] <binaryhermit> I've heard of Acorn and riscos
[0:28] <binaryhermit> didn't Acorn invent the ARM architecture?
[0:28] <binaryhermit> (IIRC it initially stood for Acorn RISC Machine?)
[0:29] <mfa298> they're certainly closely linked, I can never remember all the deatils of what came from wher
[0:29] * ragedragon (~ragedrago@hus54-1-78-214-148-27.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:31] * atouk (~atouk@ool-4572ac23.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[0:31] <mfa298> One of my first uses for a raspberry pi http://imgur.com/a/kIn2i
[0:35] * Viper168_ is now known as Viper168
[0:36] * Putdeksel (5c6f7187@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.111.113.135) Quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
[0:37] * ShorTie (~Idiot@unaffiliated/shortie) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[0:37] * Mikelevel (~MoVeWoRk@unaffiliated/mikelevel) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:37] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:39] * marcdinkum (~marcdinku@2001:985:5982:1:54b0:e4cc:e659:5254) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[0:39] <blackwind_123> HrdwrBoB : Thats a nice solution, thank you... :) hmoney : thx for your inputs
[0:39] * Gathis (~TheBlack@unaffiliated/gathis) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:41] * ShorTie (~Idiot@unaffiliated/shortie) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:42] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[0:44] * funabashi (funabashi@103.219.22.121) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[0:45] <iOS5stillsigYAY> binaryhermit: yes your right
[0:48] * AlexPortable (uid7568@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xymsxifzgniovudv) Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
[0:49] * gugah (~gugah@181.28.97.148) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:56] * Mikelevel (~MoVeWoRk@unaffiliated/mikelevel) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:59] * Metalsutton (~Daniel@116.251.167.196) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:00] * Hydrogen (~hydrogen@amarok/developer/hydrogen) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:00] <binaryhermit> does Acorn still control the ARM architecture?
[1:00] <binaryhermit> obviously under a different name
[1:01] <binaryhermit> apparently not
[1:01] <binaryhermit> In 1990, Acorn spun off the design team into a new company named Advanced RISC Machines Ltd.,[25][26][27] which became ARM Ltd when its parent company, ARM Holdings plc, floated on the London Stock Exchange and NASDAQ in 1998.
[1:01] <binaryhermit> c&p'd from wikipedia
[1:02] <binaryhermit> my laptop's got 6 ARMv8 cores
[1:03] <binaryhermit> 2 Cortex A72, 4 Cortex A53
[1:05] <binaryhermit> a rebadged Rockchip RK3399
[1:08] <binaryhermit> http://www.samsung.com/us/computing/chromebooks/12-14/xe513c24-k01us-xe513c24-k01us/
[1:09] <binaryhermit> To be honest, I'm surprised Samsung didn't spin up some sort of Exynos chip
[1:10] * neops (~neops@ip-47.net-89-2-128.rev.numericable.fr) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[1:16] <charlieray> I just got a zero W and stuck my octopi sd card in. was having trouble connecting to wifi. guessing that there was something with old distro, I did upgrade and dist-update on the card while it was in my non-zeroW... after that was completedI shutdown and moved the card over to the Zero W. I started it up and now have a wlan0 and wlan1 under iwconfig. Does this mean it is now seeing both the usb wifi adapter and the onboard
[1:16] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:16] <ShorTie> that be my guess
[1:17] * Aboba (~Bob@node-1w7jr9sqc1awwlkk7me99dn6o.ipv6.telus.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:20] <Smeef> Just brought home 2 Ws, about to fire up the old soldering iron and start getting busy
[1:21] <Smeef> Had to take a friend to Micro Center so they would charge me $15 a piece for them
[1:21] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[1:21] <Smeef> wouldn't*
[1:22] * I2c (4b611588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.97.21.136) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:22] <I2c> Hello
[1:23] <Smeef> Greetings and salutations
[1:24] <charlieray> I got 2 at Microcenter was pissed they charge 15 for the second one
[1:24] <charlieray> had 5 year old in tow. not worth it to leave one. grrr
[1:24] <Smeef> They would have charged you $20 for a third
[1:24] <charlieray> bastards
[1:25] <charlieray> I have bought TONS of PCs from microcenter
[1:26] <charlieray> ShorTie, it worked.
[1:26] * bedah (~bedah@dyndsl-091-248-009-057.ewe-ip-backbone.de) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
[1:27] <charlieray> now I just need the zero camera ribbon
[1:28] <I2c> I am using an MCP23008 IO Expander. The problem is that the i2c bus is extremely slow so the connection keeps timing out with the IC and the pi 2 model b. How can I fix this?
[1:28] <Smeef> Bloody hell, some of the components on the W are downright microscopic
[1:32] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:36] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[1:37] * ragedragon (~ragedrago@hus54-1-78-214-148-27.fbx.proxad.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[1:37] <I2c> All help is greatly appreciated
[1:37] * InfoAddict (~InfoAddic@c122-108-225-120.fitzg3.qld.optusnet.com.au) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:39] * u-ou (no-n@unaffiliated/no-n) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:45] * EDinNY (~ed@ool-457b5904.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:46] * deanman (Elite18355@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xpplthphzqxnmyhm) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[1:47] * KingPin (kingpin@bela.kpsn.org) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[1:47] * bandroidx (~bandroidx@unaffiliated/bandroid) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[1:49] * bandroidx (~bandroidx@unaffiliated/bandroid) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:49] * double-you (~id@ip5f5bfddb.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) Quit (Quit: double-you)
[1:50] * double-you (~id@ip5f5bfddb.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:52] * KingPin (kingpin@bela.kpsn.org) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:54] * cyborg-one (~cyborg-on@176-119-89-230.broadband.tenet.odessa.ua) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:56] * I2c (4b611588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.97.21.136) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[1:58] * deanman (Elite18355@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-edxtqfbwfcduttpf) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:59] * StCipher is now known as StCypher
[2:01] * de-facto (~de-facto@gateway/tor-sasl/de-facto) Quit (Quit: See you around.)
[2:01] * de-facto (~de-facto@gateway/tor-sasl/de-facto) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:04] * dj_pi (~dj@c-68-43-191-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[2:05] * phinxy (~tehhhd@unaffiliated/phinxy) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[2:07] * blackbeard420 (~blackbear@dynamic-acs-24-154-171-60.zoominternet.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:14] * n4no` (~Thunderbi@2600:1009:b04a:7d43:ad6f:cea0:8e6c:8f75) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:17] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:20] * dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[2:20] * gennro (~gennro@2600:8801:3800:384:41ea:59e2:be0:5bb9) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[2:21] * Valduare (~Valduare@97-94-35-98.static.ftbg.wi.charter.com) Quit (Quit: Valduare)
[2:21] * Valduare (~Valduare@97-94-35-98.static.ftbg.wi.charter.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:22] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[2:23] * n4no` (~Thunderbi@2600:1009:b04a:7d43:ad6f:cea0:8e6c:8f75) Quit (Quit: n4no`)
[2:26] * mal_will (uid195162@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xjcdxoklymfzjtqr) Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
[2:29] * j08nY (~j08nY@kou-street209-53.pks.muni.cz) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[2:32] * gennro (~gennro@2600:8801:3800:384:41ea:59e2:be0:5bb9) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:32] * BenGrimm (UPP@cpe-70-119-236-74.tx.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: .��UPP��.)
[2:33] * utack (~utack@ipb2180645.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[2:35] * saint_ (~saint_@unaffiliated/saint-/x-0540772) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:41] * gugah (~gugah@181.28.97.148) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[2:42] * utack (~utack@2a02:810a:83c0:f3f8:fd1d:b314:93bd:b7c9) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:42] * utack (~utack@2a02:810a:83c0:f3f8:fd1d:b314:93bd:b7c9) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[2:43] * utack (~utack@2a02:810a:83c0:f3f8:fd1d:b314:93bd:b7c9) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:43] * utack (~utack@2a02:810a:83c0:f3f8:fd1d:b314:93bd:b7c9) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[2:43] * utack (~utack@2a02:810a:83c0:f3f8:fd1d:b314:93bd:b7c9) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:44] * blackbeard420 (~blackbear@dynamic-acs-24-154-171-60.zoominternet.net) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
[2:50] * s3nd1v0g1us (~weechat@unaffiliated/patr0clus) Quit (Quit: tempusfugit)
[2:52] * BenGrimm (UPP@cpe-70-119-236-74.tx.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:52] * gugah (~gugah@181.28.97.148) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:53] * utack (~utack@2a02:810a:83c0:f3f8:fd1d:b314:93bd:b7c9) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[2:54] * utack (~utack@2a02:810a:83c0:f3f8:fd1d:b314:93bd:b7c9) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:59] * Moistmelon (~wetmelon@97-82-222-162.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com) Quit (Quit: Bye Bye!)
[3:00] * nerdboy (~sarnold@gentoo/developer/nerdboy) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:06] * Orion (~NGC300@cpe-74-141-2-180.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:07] * Orion is now known as Guest64441
[3:09] * zburns (~zburns@76-236-87-14.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[3:10] * s3nd1v0g1us (~weechat@unaffiliated/patr0clus) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:11] * s3nd1v0g1us (~weechat@unaffiliated/patr0clus) Quit (Client Quit)
[3:12] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:7190:5fed:ebf1:c1b2) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[3:14] * Metalsutton (~Daniel@116.251.167.196) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[3:15] * knob (~knob@209.91.217.115) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:18] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:18] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:617c:7b4:ac98:41e8) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:20] * kw21 (~kw21@D978E830.cm-3-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[3:21] * gugah (~gugah@181.28.97.148) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[3:23] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[3:24] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:617c:7b4:ac98:41e8) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[3:26] * gugah (~gugah@181.28.97.148) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:28] * Kerr-A (~Kerr-A@45.53.136.126) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[3:29] * Kerr-A (~Kerr-A@45.53.136.126) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:29] * saint_ (~saint_@unaffiliated/saint-/x-0540772) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[3:42] * j4ckcom (~morezt@unaffiliated/j4ckcom) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:44] * ShapeShifter499 (~ShapeShif@unaffiliated/shapeshifter499) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[3:45] * knob (~knob@209.91.217.115) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[3:49] * utack (~utack@2a02:810a:83c0:f3f8:fd1d:b314:93bd:b7c9) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[3:50] * utack (~utack@2a02:810a:83c0:f3f8:fd1d:b314:93bd:b7c9) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:01] * Guest64441 (~NGC300@cpe-74-141-2-180.neo.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[4:01] <Viper168> so is there anything cheap and pi-like that can run win 7+ ?
[4:02] <Viper168> capable of doing some 3d stuff like cad
[4:02] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:617c:7b4:ac98:41e8) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:02] <Viper168> there is some lattepanda thing for near $200
[4:03] <Viper168> but curious if there are any others maybe cheaper
[4:04] * doomlord (~textual@host86-176-242-250.range86-176.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:05] * irc2000 (~irc2000@gateway/tor-sasl/irc2000) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:05] <irc2000> so the tinkerboard has a documented GPU while rpi doesn't. Game over?
[4:06] <irc2000> it has pretty much exactly the same layout, fits in a rpi case and has better specs. But it also has a documented GPU
[4:06] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:617c:7b4:ac98:41e8) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[4:09] * Datalink_ (~Datalink@unaffiliated/datalink) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:10] <Qatz> irc2000: The pi GPU is pretty well figured out though. There is open VC4 firmware being worked on. And an open OpenGl driver too
[4:11] <ali1234> how is that open firmware going?
[4:11] <Qatz> Not too bad, it can boot the kernel
[4:12] <ali1234> nice
[4:12] <Qatz> No USB though
[4:12] <ali1234> only took 5 years :)
[4:12] <Qatz> They had a lot of reverse engineering to do. Plus wrote a GCC port, etc...
[4:12] <Qatz> Takes time
[4:13] * Datalink__ (~Datalink@unaffiliated/datalink) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[4:13] <ali1234> interesting. the open firmware maps peripherals to the high address like on 1GB models
[4:14] <ali1234> so that means you could have a unified kernel
[4:14] <ali1234> unoptimized of course
[4:15] * mike_t (~mike@pluto.dd.vaz.ru) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:17] <irc2000> the tinkerboard has bad support though, so that makes it pretty useless in the big picture
[4:17] * Wasserstoff (~hydrogen@amarok/developer/hydrogen) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:18] <ali1234> isn't it the same allwinner + mali that is in every pi clone?
[4:19] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:19] * Hydrogen (~hydrogen@amarok/developer/hydrogen) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[4:23] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[4:31] * Pachurter (~Pachurter@unaffiliated/pachurter) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:37] * mal_will (uid195162@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qfkrmeeotpfbzrza) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:40] * Snircle (~textual@2600:8801:c404:7900:791e:9973:4822:fe4e) Quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
[4:43] * gugah (~gugah@181.28.97.148) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[4:45] * BeamWatcher (~gashead76@208.117.74.210) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:46] * dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:49] * supajerm (~supajerm@c-50-151-158-62.hsd1.in.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[4:51] * feksclaus (~feksclaus@80-71-131-204.u.parknet.dk) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.7)
[4:51] * feksclaus (~feksclaus@80-71-131-204.u.parknet.dk) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:51] * zeeshan (~kvirc64@CPE84948c379051-CM84948c379050.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[4:55] * feksclaus (~feksclaus@80-71-131-204.u.parknet.dk) Quit (Client Quit)
[4:56] * feksclaus (~feksclaus@80-71-131-204.u.parknet.dk) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:58] * TheFatherMind (~TheFather@cpe-104-34-204-52.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:58] <TheFatherMind> ?
[4:59] * feksclaus (~feksclaus@80-71-131-204.u.parknet.dk) Quit (Client Quit)
[5:00] * feksclaus (~feksclaus@80-71-131-204.u.parknet.dk) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:03] * ahrs_ (~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ahrs) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:05] * BigJon (~BigJon@46.166.190.150) Quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[5:06] * ahrs (~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ahrs) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[5:19] * Sadale (~Sadale@unaffiliated/sadale) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:19] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:23] * torchic_ (~noturboo@i.am.phantas.tk) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[5:23] * jungsubk (~jungsubk@121.130.170.3) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:23] * torchic (~noturboo@i.am.phantas.tk) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:24] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[5:30] * Viper168_ (~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:32] * plum (~plum@unaffiliated/plum) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[5:32] * Viper168 (~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
[5:33] * plum (~plum@unaffiliated/plum) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:33] * ahrs_ (~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ahrs) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[5:33] * Viper168_ is now known as Viper168
[5:33] * ahrs (~quassel@46.166.190.157) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:39] * malhelo (~malhelo@dslb-088-064-124-112.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:39] * jungsubk (~jungsubk@121.130.170.3) Quit (Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[5:39] * stiv (~steve@blender/coder/stivs) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[5:42] * malhelo_ (~malhelo@dslb-092-074-246-025.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[5:45] * YuGiOhJCJ (~YuGiOhJCJ@bur64-4-78-199-90-154.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:47] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:47] * Wasserstoff is now known as Hydrogen
[5:50] * j4ckcom (~morezt@unaffiliated/j4ckcom) has left #raspberrypi
[5:51] * feksclaus (~feksclaus@80-71-131-204.u.parknet.dk) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.7)
[5:51] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[5:52] * gennro (~gennro@2600:8801:3800:384:41ea:59e2:be0:5bb9) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[5:52] * taza (~taza@unaffiliated/taza) Quit ()
[5:58] * rafaeldelucena (~rafaeldel@177.54.13.182) Quit (Quit: zzzzzzzzzzz)
[6:03] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:7190:5fed:ebf1:c1b2) has joined #raspberrypi
[6:03] * immibis (~chatzilla@122-59-205-9.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has joined #raspberrypi
[6:06] * Apocx (~quassel@65.246.43.226) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[6:08] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:7190:5fed:ebf1:c1b2) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[6:15] * Atm0spher1c (~future@unaffiliated/atm0spher1c) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[6:16] * codestorm (~codestorm@cpe-76-94-68-62.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[6:20] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[6:22] * coolpup (~pi@unaffiliated/coolpup) has joined #raspberrypi
[6:23] * NoCode (~NoCode@unaffiliated/nocode) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[6:24] * Kerr-A (~Kerr-A@45.53.136.126) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[6:25] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[6:25] * Kerr-A (~Kerr-A@45.53.136.126) has joined #raspberrypi
[6:27] * j4ckcom (~morezt@unaffiliated/j4ckcom) has joined #raspberrypi
[6:32] * YuGiOhJCJ (~YuGiOhJCJ@bur64-4-78-199-90-154.fbx.proxad.net) Quit (Quit: YuGiOhJCJ)
[6:32] * coolpup (~pi@unaffiliated/coolpup) has left #raspberrypi
[6:42] * Kerr-A (~Kerr-A@45.53.136.126) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[6:43] * Kerr-A (~Kerr-A@45.53.136.126) has joined #raspberrypi
[6:48] * nevodka (~nevodka@174-31-132-211.tukw.qwest.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[6:54] * codestorm (~codestorm@cpe-76-94-68-62.socal.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[6:58] * j4ckcom (~morezt@unaffiliated/j4ckcom) Quit (Quit: j4ckcom)
[7:02] * irc2000 (~irc2000@gateway/tor-sasl/irc2000) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[7:05] * eroux (~eroux@196-215-40-49.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) Quit (Quit: ZZZzzz… ZZZzzz…)
[7:10] * Ninetou (~Ninetou@97e76bbd.skybroadband.com) Quit (Quit: Ninetou)
[7:14] * Sapio (~SapioSapi@cpe-75-83-154-230.socal.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[7:14] * qt-x (~Thunderbi@217.10.196.2) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:15] * rscata (~cata@5.2.202.145) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:16] * An_Onion (~Anorion@unaffiliated/saidinunleashed) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[7:16] * phorce1_home (~gvl2@pdpc/supporter/active/phorce1) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[7:19] * phorce1_home (~gvl2@pdpc/supporter/active/phorce1) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:21] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:26] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[7:26] * Drzacek (~Drzacek@dslb-088-078-006-067.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:29] * malconxx (~malconxx@unaffiliated/malconxx) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:33] * BOKALDO (~BOKALDO@46.109.205.74) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:37] * Hydrogen (~hydrogen@amarok/developer/hydrogen) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[7:41] * SailorMoon (~Bunie@184.53.33.216) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:43] * sdothum (~znc@dsl-173-206-148-241.tor.primus.ca) Quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.4 - http://znc.in)
[7:44] * mreznik (mreznik@nat/redhat/x-wjirswzolopzxjiu) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:46] * toomin (~HoopyFroo@unaffiliated/toomin) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:49] * [diablo] (~textual@unaffiliated/miles/x-000000001) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:51] * toomin (~HoopyFroo@unaffiliated/toomin) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[7:54] * brainzap (~brainzap@77.208.14.46.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:54] <brainzap> I wish you all a happy monday morning
[7:54] * Madatnek (~Madatnek@c-50a6db54.046-15-7673745.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[7:56] * esch (~jaket@97-127-87-46.mpls.qwest.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[8:00] * mawnkey (~quassel@69.247.120.180) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[8:00] * semitones_ (~patrick@unaffiliated/semitones) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[8:02] * malconxx (~malconxx@unaffiliated/malconxx) Quit (Quit: leaving)
[8:04] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:7190:5fed:ebf1:c1b2) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:05] * turtlehat (~ouaei@5CEC365.rev.sefiber.dk) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[8:06] * mawnkey (~quassel@c-69-247-120-180.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:07] * Madatnek (~Madatnek@c-50a6db54.046-15-7673745.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:08] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:7190:5fed:ebf1:c1b2) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[8:16] * mal_will (uid195162@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qfkrmeeotpfbzrza) Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
[8:22] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:23] * doomlord (~textual@host86-176-242-250.range86-176.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[8:23] * NoCode (~NoCode@unaffiliated/nocode) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:25] * Atm0spher1c (~future@unaffiliated/atm0spher1c) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:26] * eroux (~eroux@196-215-40-49.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:26] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[8:31] * jguillen (~jguillen@s158m188.unavarra.es) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:32] * Travis (~Travis@unaffiliated/travis) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:32] <Travis> Hello.
[8:33] <Travis> I am in the command line on my Pi3. Is there a way to make the screen go blank, like a screen saver? I don't want it on, while running as a bouncer. I have a 7" screen attached to my Pi3.
[8:35] * mschorm (mschorm@nat/redhat/x-lhroaxugflqncrgd) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:36] * shabius (~shaburov1@broadband-46-188-26-90.2com.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[8:36] * Rolfs (~rolf@33.80-202-12.nextgentel.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:41] * shabius (~shaburov1@broadband-46-188-26-49.2com.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:43] * arubislander (~ArubIslan@185.107.100.18) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:44] <nevodka> Travis, there is a program called xscreensaver you can install
[8:45] <nevodka> (if its not there already)
[8:45] <Travis> I am loving using my latest Pi3 as a bouncer, with the 7" screen.
[8:45] * dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[8:46] * blackwind_123 (~IceChat9@117.192.147.142) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[8:46] <nevodka> do you have a window manager or is it headless
[8:46] * blackwind_123 (~IceChat9@117.192.152.117) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:46] <nevodka> or i assume you just installed raspbian
[8:47] <Drzacek> whats "bouncer"
[8:47] <nevodka> he means irc bouncer
[8:47] * Drzacek imagines a buffed rpi3 wearing a suit and standing in front of some vip music club
[8:48] <nevodka> its like a proxy server
[8:48] * teepee (~teepee@unaffiliated/teepee) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[8:48] <Drzacek> oh okay
[8:48] <nevodka> for irc its useful for privacy reasons and also allows you to stay online 24/7
[8:48] <Drzacek> should the screen go off by itself after ~5 minutes by default?
[8:48] <nevodka> (or as long as the server is up)
[8:49] <nevodka> it's probably configured to something like that on default..
[8:49] <nevodka> i imagine its something you can change in raspi-config
[8:49] <nevodka> or it may be in some desktop preference menu
[8:50] <nevodka> i personally prefer to use xscreensaver
[8:50] <Travis> I have forgotten how to make xscreensaver work. This is a first on my Pi.
[8:50] <nevodka> if its installed just run the command in your terminal
[8:50] * arubislander (~ArubIslan@185.107.100.18) has left #raspberrypi
[8:51] <nevodka> it will bring up a menu that has a Settings button
[8:51] <Travis> Did that. Nothing came up
[8:52] <nevodka> did it say you have the program
[8:52] <Travis> there itis
[8:52] <nevodka> oh
[8:52] <Travis> I had to do the -demo
[8:52] <nevodka> yeah.. if its already running you could also just kill the process and run it again
[8:52] <nevodka> but -demo works too
[8:52] <nevodka> :]
[8:54] <Travis> lol
[8:54] <Travis> a week from Tuesday is National Pi Day :p
[8:55] * teepee (~teepee@unaffiliated/teepee) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:59] * sir_galahad_ad (~aaron@cpe-76-179-65-199.maine.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[9:09] * qdk (~qdk@213.32.242.228) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
[9:14] <Travis> A feature I love about the Pi3, is that I can use the wireless in the command line. I didn't know I could do that.
[9:17] * Travis (~Travis@unaffiliated/travis) Quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.4 - http://znc.in)
[9:19] * aural (~aural@unaffiliated/necrodearia) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:19] * dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:20] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:21] * brokaw (~textual@216-188-254-66.dyn.grandenetworks.net) Quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[9:21] * sphenxes (~sphenxes@81-5-247-179.hdsl.highway.telekom.at) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:22] * Lonefish (5152d240@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.82.210.64) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:22] * brokaw (~textual@216-188-254-66.dyn.grandenetworks.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:22] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:26] * deanman (Elite18355@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-edxtqfbwfcduttpf) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[9:26] * KingPin (kingpin@bela.kpsn.org) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[9:27] * swiss (swiss@booze.rocks) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[9:28] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
[9:28] * bandroidx (~bandroidx@unaffiliated/bandroid) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[9:28] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[9:30] * dreamon_ is now known as dreamon
[9:30] * Travis (~Travis@unaffiliated/travis) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:30] * mreznik (mreznik@nat/redhat/x-wjirswzolopzxjiu) has left #raspberrypi
[9:32] * AiGreek (~AiGreek@2a01:e35:8a47:c480:ed8f:62e0:2861:3452) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:34] * oxhak (~OxHaK@unaffiliated/oxhak) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:35] * djsxxx_away is now known as Dave_MMP
[9:36] * Armand (~armand@office.prgn.misp.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:39] * arubislander (~ArubIslan@185.107.100.18) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:39] * arubislander (~ArubIslan@185.107.100.18) has left #raspberrypi
[9:39] * qdk (~qdk@87-63-182-234-static.dk.customer.tdc.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:40] <gordonDrogon> morning (in Devon)
[9:40] <Armand> Mornin'
[9:40] <binaryhermit> Late night?
[9:40] <binaryhermit> though technically morning
[9:40] <binaryhermit> (GMT-6)
[9:44] * Travis (~Travis@unaffiliated/travis) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[9:53] * marcdinkum (~marcdinku@2001:985:5982:1:54b0:e4cc:e659:5254) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:55] * swensson (4e46c2a8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.70.194.168) has joined #raspberrypi
[9:57] * Travis (~Travis@unaffiliated/travis) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:03] * semyon (~semyon@unaffiliated/semyon) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:03] * swiss (swiss@booze.rocks) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:04] <swensson> how do I make so my apache user can run a python script? getting access denied :O
[10:04] * hhmmm (~i@unaffiliated/humbag) Quit (Quit: oops)
[10:04] * agentsmith16384 (~agentsmit@5.2.148.100) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:05] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:7190:5fed:ebf1:c1b2) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:06] <mfa298> swensson: apache or apache+php, or apache+wsgi or apache+ something else
[10:07] <swensson> mfa298 Im using apache+php but the php gets access denied when I try to run the python file
[10:07] * semyon (~semyon@unaffiliated/semyon) Quit (Client Quit)
[10:08] <mfa298> if you're trying to do gpio things from a webserver why no ditch apache+php and do the whole lot in something like python+flask
[10:08] * immibis (~chatzilla@122-59-205-9.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[10:08] <nevodka> does the python file have the correct permissions
[10:09] <nevodka> it has to be executable by the user which your apache process is running under
[10:09] <swensson> nevodka no I guess it don't ... Im not quite sure on how to set it, 777? ;'D
[10:09] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:7190:5fed:ebf1:c1b2) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[10:09] <swensson> mfa298 I rather stick to the little things I know ;P
[10:10] * semyon (~semyon@unaffiliated/semyon) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:11] <mfa298> swensson: or if you prefer php over python look at using pigpiod and talk to that directly from php
[10:11] * High_Priest (~hp@unaffiliated/high-priest/x-8117523) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:11] <nevodka> swensson, do ls -l on the file
[10:11] <swensson> nevodka -rw-r--r--
[10:12] <mfa298> if you're trying to do "exec(mybasicscript.py)" then there's a lot of things you have to get right for it to work, and lots of ways for it to break in ways to make your life interesting (and usually not in a good way)
[10:12] <nevodka> you want to do chmod u+x
[10:12] <nevodka> to make it executable by your user
[10:13] * bandroidx (~bandroidx@unaffiliated/bandroid) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:13] <nevodka> and the user who owns that file must match the user who is running the apache process
[10:13] * KingPin (kingpin@bela.kpsn.org) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:14] <swensson> isn't it possible to have my "pi" user own the file and let everyone run the file?
[10:14] <nevodka> that would be chmod a+x, but you realize 'everyone' just means all users on the system
[10:15] <mfa298> that might be one of those "interesting" things you have to deal with, I'd suggest learning the apache and php security models
[10:15] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:15] * arubislander (~ArubIslan@185.107.100.18) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:15] <swensson> This do not need to be secure at all since Im the only one got access to it. But yeah, I need some more learning on that part ;P
[10:16] <mfa298> swensson: by default apache and php will potentially have various security measures to try and protect the system. You may have to work around those.
[10:16] <nevodka> by that i hope you mean its on your private lan
[10:17] <mfa298> This is why I suggest something like python+flask would be easier (you can do all the web serving and gpio control in the same script rather than having to work accross various boundaries)
[10:17] <swensson> hmm, it works when I run python myfile.py but when I access it via php I get Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") and import: not found :O ... nevodka yeah it's a private network :)
[10:18] <swensson> mfa298 yeah but then I have to make my whole project in that and Im almost done in python ;P
[10:18] <nevodka> i dont use php but that would seem like you are executing it incorrectly
[10:18] <mfa298> swensson: flask is part of python, it's a library that gives you a python based web server
[10:19] <swensson> mfa298 Oh, I totally missunderstod that ;O Then I gotta try that ! xD .... http://dpaste.com/2QRZ7M7
[10:19] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[10:19] <mfa298> note that's flask (with a k) not flasf (with an h) don't get the two confused
[10:20] <mfa298> swensson: https://www.raspberrypi.org/learning/python-web-server-with-flask/
[10:21] * lemonzest (~lemonzest@unaffiliated/lemonzest) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:22] * deanman (Elite18355@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-zmdjhuzhlatyqmym) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:22] * Muzer (~muzer@tim32.org) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[10:22] <swensson> mfa298 ah, that looks kinda simpel enough to give it a try. Would be alot better to have everything in one file :P
[10:23] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:23] <mfa298> that's why I suggested that first :p
[10:23] * agentsmith16384 (~agentsmit@5.2.148.100) has left #raspberrypi
[10:23] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:24] * Drzacek (~Drzacek@dslb-088-078-006-067.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[10:25] <mfa298> there are other libraries similar to flask which might be more powerful (django is one I've heard mentioned)
[10:26] <mfa298> I don't use python so I'm not sure what else there is (I prefer Ruby which has a similar set of libraries, and I much prefer that over php - I've done a fair bit of php in the past)
[10:28] <nevodka> django and flask are the two major libraries
[10:28] <nevodka> flask is considered a micro-framework
[10:28] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[10:28] <nevodka> so more suitable for smaller projects
[10:29] <swensson> Ah, im kinda used to keep it very simple/basic so I almost never need libraries ;P Since this is a lightweight "project" Im gonna stick with flask, but I'll sure look into django aswell =)
[10:29] <binaryhermit> is django... unchained?
[10:30] * binaryhermit shows himself out
[10:33] * divx118 (~divx118@5ED66EB7.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
[10:35] * Armand (~armand@office.prgn.misp.co.uk) Quit (Quit: "isth thish for the thong thang nexth thurshday?")
[10:36] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[10:37] * IRQBreaker (~IRQBreake@h-8-113.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:37] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:38] * divx118 (~divx118@5ED66EB7.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:41] * SailorMoon (~Bunie@184.53.33.216) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[10:44] * InfoAddict (~InfoAddic@c122-108-225-120.fitzg3.qld.optusnet.com.au) Quit (Quit: InfoAddict)
[10:44] * majorshake (~chat@46.101.130.233) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:45] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:50] * Muzer (~muzer@tim32.org) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:52] * mschorm (mschorm@nat/redhat/x-lhroaxugflqncrgd) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[10:54] * mschorm (mschorm@nat/redhat/x-icibjetylvxrvzqm) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:54] * AlexPortable (uid7568@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zacjvqjptdjehdir) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:55] * Kostenko (~Kostenko@bl5-166-253.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #raspberrypi
[10:56] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) Quit (Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com)
[10:57] * semyon (~semyon@unaffiliated/semyon) Quit (Quit: install gentoo)
[10:57] * Kostenko_ (~Kostenko@bl5-166-253.dsl.telepac.pt) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[10:58] * IRQBreaker (~IRQBreake@h-8-113.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) Quit (Quit: Client exiting)
[10:59] * Ninetou (~Ninetou@97e76bbd.skybroadband.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:03] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[11:03] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:04] * int3nz0r (~int3nz0r@541A8E1B.cm-5-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[11:05] * TReK (~UnFaQ@unaffiliated/trek) Quit (Quit: ZNC.)
[11:05] * TReK (~UnFaQ@unaffiliated/trek) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:06] * int3nz0r (~int3nz0r@541A8E1B.cm-5-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:08] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
[11:09] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:13] * troulouliou_div2 (~troulouli@unaffiliated/troulouliou-div2/x-0271439) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:14] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[11:15] * icez (~zeci@unaffiliated/icez) Quit (Quit: icez)
[11:16] * brokaw (~textual@216-188-254-66.dyn.grandenetworks.net) Quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[11:18] * edvorg (~edvorg@101.99.34.40) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:22] <swensson> why dosn't su -s /bin/bash www-data work? :S
[11:22] * int3nz0r (~int3nz0r@541A8E1B.cm-5-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[11:23] <nevodka> is www-data a user
[11:23] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:24] * password4 (29aa026a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.170.2.106) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:24] <swensson> ... it's a group?
[11:24] <password4> yo
[11:24] <nevodka> you can't login as a group
[11:24] <swensson> ... But the www-data is a user, isn't "it"?
[11:24] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:24] <nevodka> that's what i asked you :p
[11:24] <nevodka> you can check in /etc/passwd
[11:24] <swensson> I have www-data in /etc/passwd
[11:25] <nevodka> actually
[11:25] <nevodka> that lists groups and users though
[11:25] <shiftplusone> works here
[11:25] <swensson> www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/bin/bash
[11:25] <shiftplusone> except it asks for a password, so I used sudo.
[11:25] <nevodka> actually
[11:25] * Ninetou (~Ninetou@97e76bbd.skybroadband.com) Quit (Quit: Ninetou)
[11:26] <nevodka> i guess all groups do have a user associated
[11:26] * nevodka did not know that
[11:26] <nevodka> whats the issue then, swensson
[11:26] <swensson> well, i tried sudo su and it worked -.-
[11:26] * lemonzest (~lemonzest@unaffiliated/lemonzest) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[11:26] <shiftplusone> What was the error when you couldnt?
[11:27] <nevodka> that would log you in as root
[11:27] <nevodka> not www-data
[11:27] <BurtyB> groups are in /etc/group (as users can be in more than one group)
[11:27] <password4> sudo su worked?
[11:27] <password4> i did not even know thats a valid command
[11:27] <swensson> sudo su www-data gave my prompt "www-data@raspberrypi:/home/pi$ " so... Im www-data? :P
[11:28] <nevodka> well yeah, you gave it the username
[11:28] * markmcb (~markmcb@136.0.0.195) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)
[11:28] <nevodka> i dont think you need the sudo though
[11:28] * brainzap (~brainzap@77.208.14.46.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[11:29] <shiftplusone> if www-data doesn't have a password set, you won't be able to use it without being roo.
[11:29] <shiftplusone> root
[11:29] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[11:29] * int3nz0r (~int3nz0r@541A8E1B.cm-5-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:29] <nevodka> ah
[11:30] <nevodka> that is correct :-]
[11:30] <shiftplusone> the more elegant form would be sudo -s -u www-data
[11:31] * High_Priest (~hp@unaffiliated/high-priest/x-8117523) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[11:31] * Viper168_ (~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:33] * Ninetou (~Ninetou@97e76bbd.skybroadband.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:33] <swensson> added www-data ALL= (root) NOPASSWD: /home/pi/test/myPythonFile.py to visudo but still prompts me for password when I try to execute the file as www-data / sudo :O
[11:33] * Viper168 (~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[11:34] <shiftplusone> whatever you're doing, it sounds like an awful idea, but as long as you're aware of the security implications...
[11:35] <swensson> It's an offline system
[11:35] * Rolfs (~rolf@33.80-202-12.nextgentel.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[11:36] * Rolfs (~rolf@33.80-202-12.nextgentel.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:37] * markmcb (~markmcb@178.162.222.41.adsl.inet-telecom.org) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:44] * troulouliou_div2 (~troulouli@unaffiliated/troulouliou-div2/x-0271439) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[11:48] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:51] <swensson> After all fighting with all this stuff, I finally are able to run the python file, but now (even when I run it normally) the script is insanly slow :(
[11:53] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:53] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[11:54] * Viper168_ is now known as Viper168
[11:54] * freechips (~freechips@2001:b07:2ea:924c:ba27:ebff:fef6:601c) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[11:56] <swensson> Hmm, when I use radio.setPALevel(NRF24.PA_LOW) it works really good but when I use radio.setPALevel(NRF24.PA_MAX) it does send like 1package every 30 sec ;S worked yesterday :O
[11:57] <swensson> ... Should be high, not max -.-
[11:58] * freechips (~freechips@2001:b07:2ea:924c:ba27:ebff:fef6:601c) has joined #raspberrypi
[11:59] * oxhak (~OxHaK@unaffiliated/oxhak) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[12:00] * francis (~francis@vesta.destinatech.uk) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:00] * sphenxes (~sphenxes@81-5-247-179.hdsl.highway.telekom.at) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[12:03] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:7190:5fed:ebf1:c1b2) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:04] * HerculeP (~herc@p57843AFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[12:08] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:7190:5fed:ebf1:c1b2) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[12:09] * Jonwel (~Jonwel@541971C3.cm-5-2b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:11] * HerculeP (~herc@p57843AFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:11] * sphenxes (~sphenxes@81-5-247-179.hdsl.highway.telekom.at) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:12] * sphenxes01 (~sphenxes@81-5-247-179.hdsl.highway.telekom.at) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:14] * edvorg (~edvorg@101.99.34.40) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[12:16] * sphenxes (~sphenxes@81-5-247-179.hdsl.highway.telekom.at) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[12:18] * djazz (~djazz@h-155-218.a444.priv.bahnhof.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[12:20] <Smeef> What are some other games on the level of MineCraft Pi Edition that can run well on the Pi Zero?
[12:21] <Smeef> I'm installing Flare right now to try it out
[12:21] <Smeef> Looking for non-emulated stuff
[12:21] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) Quit (Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com)
[12:23] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:23] * teepee (~teepee@unaffiliated/teepee) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[12:25] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:25] * Travis (~Travis@unaffiliated/travis) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[12:26] * teepee (~teepee@unaffiliated/teepee) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:27] * Smeef (~deathonat@unaffiliated/smeef) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
[12:28] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[12:30] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[12:30] * Atm0spher1c (~future@unaffiliated/atm0spher1c) Quit (Quit: quit)
[12:32] * brainzap (~brainzap@77.208.14.46.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:32] * oxhak (~OxHaK@unaffiliated/oxhak) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:33] * Smeef (~deathonat@unaffiliated/smeef) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:33] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:34] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[12:34] * Crom (~robi@47.149.72.39) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
[12:40] * marcdinkum (~marcdinku@2001:985:5982:1:54b0:e4cc:e659:5254) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[12:42] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:47] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[12:48] * mike_t (~mike@pluto.dd.vaz.ru) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[12:50] * tsglove (~tsglove@12.205.72.46) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:51] * brainzap (~brainzap@77.208.14.46.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch) Quit (Quit: IRC in 2016 LUL)
[12:52] * Travis (~Travis@unaffiliated/travis) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:55] * djazz (~djazz@37-123-162-199.cust-ip.bdtv.se) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:55] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:58] * bedah (~bedah@dyndsl-085-016-091-047.ewe-ip-backbone.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[12:59] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[13:00] * brainzap (~brainzap@77.208.14.46.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:02] * j4ckcom (~morezt@unaffiliated/j4ckcom) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:02] * Snircle (~textual@2600:8801:c404:7900:90ad:28a7:6318:8a59) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:06] * u1n1k0n1o1w1n (~u1n1k0n1o@gateway/tor-sasl/u1n1k0n1o1w1n) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[13:07] * u1n1k0n1o1w1n (~u1n1k0n1o@gateway/tor-sasl/u1n1k0n1o1w1n) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:11] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:12] <swensson> Hey guys, only 1 of my 4 motors are working 100%, when I give full throttle 3 of the 4 motors don't give full power... What can cause this? :O Callibration? What option is that?
[13:14] <brainzap> do you have enough power?
[13:15] * uks (~uksio@p20030069AF7A12AB50B8C344D052823F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:15] <swensson> I use simon emax 20A esc and brushless outrunners A2212/13T 1000KV with a 12v 2400mah lipo battery. Im kinda sure that should be enough
[13:16] * YuGiOhJCJ (~YuGiOhJCJ@bur64-4-78-199-90-154.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:16] * b3h3m0th (uid26288@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cvhxqyzzgzzmmdyg) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:17] * uksio (~uksio@p20030069AF7A121A5C72BAD45BF67D5D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[13:17] <mfa298> how much power do the motors draw on full throttle, if it's significant you could be getting enough voltage drop from the battery or wiring to cause issues
[13:19] <swensson> I can't really measure how much they draw, it's not a wiring issue I've checked all cable connections
[13:20] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[13:21] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) Quit (Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com)
[13:23] <mfa298> that's more about wire size rather than how good your connections are.
[13:23] * nitpe (~nitpe@d108-180-126-162.bchsia.telus.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:23] <brainzap> lets just trust him
[13:23] <mfa298> If you're trying to pull 1A per motor and the wiring is a small awg then there will be voltage drop, meaning you might only have 10V at some motors
[13:25] * u10100010 (~u10100010@p5B0A0C85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:26] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:26] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:26] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:27] * lankanmon_ (~LKNnet@CPEa84e3fc94903-CMa84e3fc94900.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:29] * lankanmon (~LKNnet@2607:fea8:d1f:fc17:8c7a:50bf:77c4:5612) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[13:30] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) Quit (Client Quit)
[13:31] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
[13:33] * mschorm (mschorm@nat/redhat/x-icibjetylvxrvzqm) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[13:34] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:35] * n4no` (~Thunderbi@2600:1009:b04e:db23:ad6f:cea0:8e6c:8f75) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:36] * semyon (~semyon@unaffiliated/semyon) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:36] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:39] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[13:40] * semyon (~semyon@unaffiliated/semyon) Quit (Client Quit)
[13:41] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[13:42] <swensson> all the wires are the same on all motors...
[13:42] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:42] <swensson> when the 1 motors goes full throttle the 3 others slow down a bit so it really sounds like a power issue imo
[13:43] <ShorTie> ie: wire awg
[13:46] <ShorTie> motors got in rush current too...
[13:46] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[13:47] <swensson> A2212/13T 1000KV x4 brushless outrunners and 2200MAH 30c 11.1V 3S-1P lipo
[13:47] <swensson> http://www.rhydolabz.com/documents/26/BLDC_A2212_13T.pdf
[13:48] * bantone (~sword@162.242.216.132) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[13:48] <swensson> as far as I understand that, it should be enough with the battery I use :O
[13:48] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) Quit (Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com)
[13:49] * arunpyasi (arun@2001:470:28:90e:1d1e:f02:11fe:1344) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:49] * Kozuch (~Kozuch@78-80-181-179.tmcz.cz) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:50] * semyon (~semyon@unaffiliated/semyon) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:52] <Ad0> how can I list out all the available GPIOs?
[13:52] <Ad0> I am trying to use 02, 03, 04, 17
[13:52] <Ad0> with avrdude
[13:52] * TheSin (~TheSin@gateway.bluefalls.ca) Quit (Quit: Client exiting)
[13:52] * TheWarden (~chatzilla@184.69.56.146) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:53] * sdothum (~znc@dsl-173-206-148-241.tor.primus.ca) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:53] * Hydrogen (~hydrogen@amarok/developer/hydrogen) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:54] <Ad0> ah it works
[13:54] <Ad0> bad contact
[13:55] * marcdinkum (~marcdinku@145.107.204.129) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:55] * andor2007 (~andor2007@cpc112319-pete13-2-0-cust991.4-4.cable.virginm.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[13:56] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) has joined #raspberrypi
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> Ad0, gpio readall
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> (typed in a terminal window that is)
[13:59] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) Quit (Client Quit)
[14:00] * andor2007 (~andor2007@cpc112319-pete13-2-0-cust991.4-4.cable.virginm.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:00] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:00] * elsevero (~elsevero@82.77.50.197) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:04] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:04] * TheWarden_ (~chatzilla@184.69.56.146) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:04] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:617c:7b4:ac98:41e8) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:05] * mossman93 (~mossman93@unaffiliated/mossman93) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[14:05] * aguz (uid169722@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mnhyioxlmsjkbyim) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:06] * TheWarden (~chatzilla@184.69.56.146) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[14:06] * TheWarden_ is now known as TheWarden
[14:08] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:617c:7b4:ac98:41e8) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[14:10] * toomin (~HoopyFroo@unaffiliated/toomin) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:10] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[14:11] * int3nz0r (~int3nz0r@541A8E1B.cm-5-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
[14:11] * teepee (~teepee@unaffiliated/teepee) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[14:11] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:12] * oxhak (~OxHaK@unaffiliated/oxhak) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
[14:12] * teepee (~teepee@unaffiliated/teepee) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:15] * nevodka (~nevodka@174-31-132-211.tukw.qwest.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[14:17] * Dummy101 (~whatwhat@31.205.50.193) Quit (Disconnected by services)
[14:17] * TheWarden (~chatzilla@184.69.56.146) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170126200443])
[14:17] * Dummy101 (~whatwhat@31.205.50.193) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:18] * wonderer (quakeroate@tm.78.153.51.19.dc.cable.static.telemach.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:19] <Ad0> nice gordonDrogon
[14:19] <Ad0> one of the GPIOs share pins with the ADC
[14:20] <Ad0> it's ADC1 / SCK
[14:20] <Ad0> so I need to not pull it to ground
[14:20] <Ad0> or kind of disconnect it
[14:23] * Hydrogen (~hydrogen@amarok/developer/hydrogen) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[14:23] * Capo_di_capo (d549d21a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.73.210.26) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:24] <Capo_di_capo> got my new pi zero w xD
[14:24] <Capo_di_capo> amazingly small
[14:25] <Capo_di_capo> anybody here got experience with gsm800 shield ?
[14:26] * sphenxes01 (~sphenxes@81-5-247-179.hdsl.highway.telekom.at) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[14:26] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:27] * Zparx (~Fox@dslb-188-108-208-117.188.108.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:27] * xSon1q (~xSon1q@c-73-179-161-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[14:31] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[14:31] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:34] * wonderer (quakeroate@tm.78.153.51.19.dc.cable.static.telemach.net) Quit (Quit: Famous quotes #50: "In the end, everything is a gag."- Charlie Chaplin (1889-1977))
[14:36] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[14:36] * s3nd1v0g1us (~weechat@unaffiliated/patr0clus) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:37] * gennro (~gennro@2600:8801:3800:384:41ea:59e2:be0:5bb9) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:38] <Ad0> gordonDrogon: what pin number is the gpio utility referring to
[14:38] <Ad0> is it the GPIO #
[14:39] * armin (~armin@base.m2m.pm) Quit (Quit: relate to the matter as i drop the bomb)
[14:40] <Ad0> the physical pinout in gpio readall differs from the pinout diagrams
[14:40] <Ad0> https://az835927.vo.msecnd.net/sites/iot/Resources/images/PinMappings/RP2_Pinout.png
[14:40] <Ad0> GPIO 3 is pin 5
[14:41] * aibohphobia (~aibohphob@cpc110555-roth9-2-0-cust97.17-1.cable.virginm.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:41] * xSon1q (~xSon1q@c-73-179-161-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:41] <Ad0> in gpio program it's 15...
[14:41] * armin (~armin@base.m2m.pm) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:42] * Rolfs (~rolf@33.80-202-12.nextgentel.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)
[14:42] <BurtyB> Ad0, in that graphic "gpio2" refers to BCM pin #2 shown in the readall
[14:43] * nevodka (~nevodka@174-31-132-211.tukw.qwest.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:43] * TheKlap (~TheKlap@71-14-132-209.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
[14:44] * gennro (~gennro@2600:8801:3800:384:41ea:59e2:be0:5bb9) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[14:45] * marcdinkum (~marcdinku@145.107.204.129) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[14:46] * marcdinkum (~marcdinku@145.107.204.129) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:46] <Ad0> ok
[14:47] <Ad0> wat
[14:47] <Ad0> right
[14:48] <Ad0> BurtyB: it's GPIO 3 (SCL1) I have connected to the SCK of my chip
[14:48] <Ad0> so is it gpio mode 9 tri
[14:48] <Ad0> for example
[14:48] <Ad0> 3 | 9 | SCL.1 | IN | 1 | 5
[14:49] <Ad0> when you use the gpio command it's the wpi pin # or is it the BCM ?
[14:49] <Ad0> like, is it 3 or 9 ?
[14:50] <Ad0> seems like I have to disconnect it 100%
[14:50] * ShorTie wonders, no 'gpio --help'
[14:50] * afoo is now known as avu
[14:50] <Ad0> seems like it's 9
[14:53] * qt-x (~Thunderbi@217.10.196.2) Quit (Quit: qt-x)
[14:53] * stiv (~steve@blender/coder/stivs) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:54] * TheKlap (~TheKlap@71-14-132-209.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[14:55] * u10100010 (~u10100010@p5B0A0C85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[14:55] * cyborg-one (~cyborg-on@176-119-89-230.broadband.tenet.odessa.ua) Quit (Quit: cyborg-one)
[14:57] <Ad0> man I can't seem to completely disengage the GPIO
[14:57] <Ad0> like physically disconnect it
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> Ad0, hi.
[14:57] <mfa298> Ad0: if you use gpio readall command it should show all the numbering schemes
[14:57] <Ad0> hey
[14:57] <Ad0> yeah but which numbering to use?
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> the output of the gpio readall command gives all 3 numbering schemes.
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> use the numbering scheme you are happy with.
[14:58] <Ad0> how do I tell it which one to follow
[14:58] <Ad0> trying to disable SCL1 / GPIO 3
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi uses wiringPi numbers by default, but will use bcm_gpio numbers with the -g flag to the gpio command, or if you use wiringPiSetupGpio() in your code, or you can use physical pin numbers with the -1 flag to the gpio command, or with wiringPiSetupPhys() in your code.
[14:59] <Ad0> ok
[14:59] <Ad0> I use the gpio utility software
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> so by default, no -1, -z or -g flags it will use wiringPi pin numbers.
[14:59] <Ad0> is the default wpi ?
[14:59] <Ad0> ok
[14:59] <Ad0> cool
[14:59] <Ad0> I have an issue and it's that the GPIO affects the ADC (same pin)
[15:00] <Ad0> is it possible to shut it off
[15:00] <Ad0> so it goes nowhere (infinite ohm)
[15:00] <ali1234> yes, make it an input
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> so the I2C pins are bcm_gpio 2 and 3. or iwringPi 8 and 9.
[15:00] <Ad0> right
[15:00] <Ad0> so I make pin 9 an input
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> if you change the mode then I2C will stop working.
[15:00] <Ad0> that's fine I haven't enabled i2c
[15:00] <Ad0> or do I have to explicitly disable it?
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> you should do, but ..
[15:01] <ali1234> no
[15:01] <Ad0> ok
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> what's your ADC ?
[15:01] <Ad0> I am still reading nonsense values
[15:01] <Ad0> it's an attiny85
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> ok - how is it communicating back to the Pi?
[15:01] <Ad0> it's ADC1 / SCK / pin #7
[15:01] <Ad0> it's doing it via serial
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> on the usual serial pins?
[15:02] * gennro (~gennro@2600:8801:3800:384:41ea:59e2:be0:5bb9) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:02] * eroux (~eroux@196-215-40-49.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) Quit (Quit: ZZZzzz… ZZZzzz…)
[15:02] <Ad0> attiny pin #5 (PB0) -> UART_RX
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[15:02] <ali1234> probably pi3 uart nonsense
[15:02] <Ad0> yes rxd0 gpio15 pin 10
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> the Pi's I2C pins should not be affecting it then.
[15:02] <Ad0> if I physically disconnect SCL1 / GPIO3 it's fine
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> sure, but why did you connect it in the first place?
[15:03] <ali1234> yes, what is it connected to?
[15:03] <Ad0> the "mode" is blank
[15:03] <Ad0> even if I try to set it
[15:03] <Ad0> http://pastebin.com/kp5bmtAy
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> the mode will be ALT0 if it's in I2C mode, or IN or OUT. It can never be blank.
[15:04] <Ad0> OH sorry
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> both IN in that image.
[15:04] <Ad0> I read on the right side
[15:04] <Ad0> :)
[15:04] <Ad0> well if it's an input electricity will divert down there
[15:04] <ali1234> nope
[15:04] <ali1234> that would be an open drain output
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> Ad0, back to: what's it physically connected to?
[15:05] <Ad0> a voltage divider
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> ie. why are you bothering with it at all if the attiny is talking serial to the Pi?
[15:05] <Ad0> 470k
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> why?
[15:05] <ali1234> show circuit diagram
[15:05] <Ad0> ok
[15:05] * sunn (~oliver@2a00:23c5:3902:7200:1cce:581e:db4b:6e40) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:05] <ali1234> this gonna be good
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> you do know the Pi's I2C pins have an on-board 1K8 pullup to 3.3v, don't you?
[15:06] <Ad0> http://tinyurl.com/zoquhjh
[15:06] <ali1234> where is raspberry pi
[15:06] <Ad0> AVRISP II
[15:06] <Ad0> raspberry PI is now the programmer
[15:06] <Ad0> it worked fine with AVRISP
[15:07] <Ad0> so clearly there's something with the GPIO
[15:07] <Ad0> I have a feelin gthat SCL1 is not shut off
[15:07] <ali1234> oh
[15:07] <ali1234> i see the problem here
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> that's ..somewhat interesting.
[15:07] <Ad0> hehe
[15:07] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: attiny only has 8 pins
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> the avr programmer would normally be connected to an SPI port.
[15:08] <Ad0> I want to make a shield so I want to have the pins in a small region
[15:08] <Ad0> :)
[15:08] <Ad0> programming works fine with bitbanging from the PI with AVRDUDE
[15:08] <Ad0> I tested it several times without problems
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> sure - I know, I wrote code for it.
[15:08] <Ad0> 4.7 kohm is for isolation between the programmer and the circuit
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> but you're using the I2C pin - which has an on-board 1K8 pull-up to 3.3v.
[15:09] <ali1234> show complete circuit diagram including raspberry pi...
[15:09] <Ad0> gordonDrogon: ok. so it's a special pin then
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> very.
[15:09] <Ad0> hehe
[15:09] <Ad0> I will avoid it then
[15:09] <ali1234> why not use SPI pin for SPI
[15:09] <Ad0> have to "relocate to some nearby pins :)
[15:09] * brokaw (~textual@216-188-254-66.dyn.grandenetworks.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:09] <Ad0> because I want the shield in front of the pi and not way back there, also I don't want to have a big connector all the way down
[15:10] <Ad0> it's a placement issue
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> then you can use the MOSI pin for programming, and the SCK pin for the clock from the Pi to the attiny.
[15:10] <Ad0> yeah like it was intended ...
[15:10] <Ad0> but this is merely a placement / arrangement problem
[15:10] * humbot (~i@unaffiliated/humbag) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:11] <ali1234> anyway this has nothing to do with serial
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> do you have a proper schematic - not some animated simulation thing?
[15:11] <Ad0> no
[15:11] <Ad0> it's in the works
[15:11] <Ad0> it's that circuit x 3
[15:12] <ali1234> programming requires MOSI,MISO,SCK,RESET,GND
[15:12] <ali1234> yet your diagram only shows one wire
[15:12] * nitpe (~nitpe@d108-180-126-162.bchsia.telus.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[15:13] <Ad0> can you read .fzz files?
[15:13] <ali1234> also why not just one a single AVR with 3 ADCs instead of 3 separate ones
[15:13] <Ad0> it IS a single AVR
[15:13] <ali1234> how can it be that circuit x 3 then?
[15:13] <Ad0> the illustration is for one of the ADC inputs
[15:14] <Ad0> but I will try to move GPIO 2 and 3 elsewhere
[15:14] <ali1234> what
[15:14] <ali1234> i tell you what. i will draw the circuit diagram of how i think it should be
[15:14] * sunn (~oliver@2a00:23c5:3902:7200:1cce:581e:db4b:6e40) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[15:14] <ali1234> then you can tell me if it is the same as what you are doing
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> more on the pin number schemes: https://projects.drogon.net/wiringpi-pin-numbering/
[15:15] <Ad0> can you read fzz files?
[15:15] <ali1234> no
[15:15] * sunn (~oliver@host86-181-82-63.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:15] <Ad0> well you're shit out of luck then :)
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> fritzing?
[15:15] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) Quit (Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com)
[15:15] <Ad0> gordonDrogon: yeah
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> that would be out of family friendly luck then?
[15:15] <Ad0> yeah sorry...
[15:15] <Ad0> I started out in kicad
[15:15] <Ad0> but it was a bit tedious
[15:16] <ali1234> you are using 4 pin attiny?
[15:16] <ali1234> 8 pin sorry
[15:16] <Ad0> yes the cute little one
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> I use fritzing, however right now I need to get back to my kitchen - I have 2 dozen pastys to make up.
[15:16] <Ad0> I can send you a screenshot
[15:16] <ali1234> given that it only has 6 GPIO, how are oyu going to connect 3 analog signals and also SPI and serial?
[15:17] <ali1234> if you use ADC0 then you must disable reset, now you can't prorgam it
[15:17] * Deusdeorum (~Deusdeoru@h-72-198.a230.priv.bahnhof.se) Quit (Changing host)
[15:17] * Deusdeorum (~Deusdeoru@unaffiliated/deusdeorum) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:18] <ali1234> if you use ADC1 then the analog signal will interfere with SCK and programming will mess up
[15:18] <ali1234> that only leaves two ADCs
[15:19] <ali1234> and no pins for serial
[15:19] <Ad0> I use ADC1-3
[15:19] <Ad0> ADC1 is the problem
[15:19] <Ad0> ADC2 and 3 are home free
[15:19] <ali1234> well yeah
[15:19] <ali1234> ADC1 is the SCK pin
[15:20] <Ad0> but gordonDrogon had valuable info about I2C pulling it to 3.3
[15:20] <Ad0> that matches what I read out as well
[15:20] <ali1234> it doesn't matter
[15:20] <ali1234> your analog signal will interfere with SCK signal and you will not be able to program it reliably
[15:21] <ali1234> you need to use an AVR with more pins for this
[15:21] <Ad0> it works because of the 4.7 kohm resistor
[15:21] <Ad0> in the app notes that's how atmel says you should set up programming with a pin that's in use anyhow
[15:21] <Ad0> and it has worked every single time
[15:21] <ali1234> okay
[15:22] * marcdinkum (~marcdinku@145.107.204.129) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[15:22] <Ad0> minimum 1k isolation resistor
[15:22] <Ad0> it doesn't work reliably without you are right about that one :)
[15:22] <ali1234> so you have at most 4 pins with which to communicate with pi
[15:22] * TheSin (~TheSin@gateway.bluefalls.ca) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:23] <Ad0> yes 4
[15:23] <ali1234> PB0 PB1 PB2 and PB5
[15:23] <Ad0> correct
[15:23] * aibohphobia (~aibohphob@cpc110555-roth9-2-0-cust97.17-1.cable.virginm.net) Quit (Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish!)
[15:23] <ali1234> what pin is PB0 connected to on the pi?
[15:23] <Ad0> which pin # do you want hehe
[15:24] <Ad0> it's like 3 different schemes
[15:24] <ali1234> BCM pin numbers
[15:24] <ali1234> everyone uses BCM pin numbers except gordon
[15:24] <Ad0> haha
[15:24] <ali1234> that's not even a joke btw
[15:24] <Ad0> I use 4
[15:24] * mschorm (mschorm@nat/redhat/x-bjhmucpqdbquzmhz) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:25] <ali1234> to PB0 is connected to raspberry pi pin 4?
[15:25] <Ad0> yes
[15:25] <Ad0> BCM 4
[15:25] <ali1234> okay what about PB1?
[15:25] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:25] <Ad0> 17
[15:26] <ali1234> okay and PB2?
[15:26] <Ad0> 3
[15:26] <Ad0> that's the bad one (I2C)
[15:26] <ali1234> and PB5?
[15:26] * mike_t (~mike@95.67.252.42) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:26] <Ad0> 2
[15:26] <Ad0> also I2C
[15:26] <ali1234> okay
[15:27] * Gathis (~TheBlack@unaffiliated/gathis) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:27] <ali1234> considering that you do not use i2c at all, why did you choose those pins?
[15:27] <Ad0> I should move 2 and 3 to something like 27 and 22
[15:27] <ali1234> why not 14/15/18/23?
[15:27] <Ad0> because they are close to UART and power
[15:27] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:27] <Ad0> and in front
[15:27] <ali1234> you are not using the uart
[15:27] <Ad0> yes I am using the UART from PB0
[15:28] <ali1234> oh yeah
[15:28] <Ad0> softuart :)
[15:28] <Ad0> sorry for not telling up front
[15:28] * semyon (~semyon@unaffiliated/semyon) Quit (Quit: install gentoo)
[15:28] <ali1234> you have access to UART RTS i guess
[15:28] <Ad0> I can use USI I guess
[15:28] <ali1234> what do you mean "near" the UART?
[15:28] <Ad0> but have not come that far
[15:29] <Ad0> near GPIO15 / pin 10
[15:29] <ali1234> UART is on pin 14/15
[15:29] * sandeepkr (~sandeepkr@43.231.59.251) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:29] <ali1234> you have not connected GPIO 15 to anything
[15:30] <Ad0> to PB0, GPIO15 on my header pinout is RXD0
[15:30] <Ad0> (uart)
[15:30] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[15:30] <ali1234> you said it was connected to GPIO 4
[15:30] <Ad0> that too
[15:30] <ali1234> well there is your problem
[15:30] <ali1234> finally we got to the bottom of it
[15:30] <ali1234> if you just showed a circuit diagram to begin with, this would have taken 5 seconds
[15:30] <Ad0> I can program it fine, serial works fine, it's just PB2
[15:31] <Ad0> which are not related to either of those
[15:31] <ali1234> you only need to use 4 GPIO and none of them should be i2c
[15:31] <Ad0> when I disconnect PB2 from the PI ADC on PB2 reads fine
[15:31] * kbs (~user@166.170.42.0) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:31] <Ad0> you mean combine the UART with avrdude programming as well?
[15:31] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[15:31] <ali1234> there is no reason to connect two different GPIOs
[15:32] <Ad0> not if I can combine them!
[15:32] <Ad0> the less pins the better
[15:33] <ali1234> lets try this again
[15:33] <ali1234> what is PB0 connected to?
[15:34] <Ad0> RxD (15), GPIO 4
[15:34] <ali1234> anything else?
[15:34] <Ad0> now - only rxd
[15:34] <Ad0> no
[15:34] <ali1234> okay what about PB1?
[15:34] <Ad0> 17
[15:34] <ali1234> and what else?
[15:34] <Ad0> nothing
[15:35] * marcdinkum (~marcdinku@145.107.204.129) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:35] * smdeep (~smdeep@202.142.116.152) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:35] <ali1234> PB2?
[15:36] <Ad0> analog circuit and 3 on the PI
[15:36] <Ad0> (shared)
[15:36] <ali1234> PB3?
[15:37] <ali1234> just analog right?
[15:37] <Ad0> analog circuit
[15:37] <Ad0> yes
[15:37] <ali1234> and PB4 also
[15:37] <Ad0> correct
[15:37] <ali1234> okay and PB5?
[15:37] <Ad0> those are home free
[15:37] <Ad0> PB5 is on 2 on the PI
[15:37] <ali1234> anything else?
[15:37] <Ad0> VCC and GND :)
[15:38] <ali1234> okay the solution here is really simple
[15:38] <Ad0> I connected that to all pins to be sure I got enough voltage!
[15:38] <ali1234> PB0 to 15 ONLY
[15:38] <Ad0> :D
[15:38] <Ad0> right
[15:38] <Ad0> I set that up
[15:38] <ali1234> PB1, PB2, PB5 to 14, 18 and 23
[15:38] <Ad0> it worked
[15:38] <ali1234> in what ever order makes most sense
[15:38] <Ad0> ok
[15:39] <ali1234> that's it
[15:39] <Ad0> but 14 - that's UART TXD0
[15:39] <ali1234> yes
[15:40] <ali1234> switch it to GPIO mode when programming
[15:40] <Ad0> any special circuitry in there like the I2C?
[15:40] <ali1234> no
[15:40] <Ad0> ok
[15:40] <Ad0> I will try this hold on
[15:40] <Ad0> thanks for your help so far.
[15:41] <ali1234> i have an even better solution for you though
[15:41] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:41] <ali1234> use pins 9,10,11 and 22
[15:41] <ali1234> then you have hardware SPI
[15:41] <Ad0> yeah
[15:42] <ali1234> they are on the front
[15:42] <ali1234> and you have 3.3v and gnd
[15:42] <Ad0> indeed
[15:42] <ali1234> PB0 <_> GPIO 22
[15:43] <Ad0> I should clarify what I mean by "front"
[15:43] <ali1234> PB1 <-> GPIO 9
[15:43] <ali1234> PB2 <-> GPIO 11
[15:43] * mmazing (~mmazing@unaffiliated/mmazing) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:43] <Capo_di_capo> do you have to solder the gpio pins or can i maguyver them with ducktape
[15:43] <ali1234> whoops
[15:43] <ali1234> PB5 to GPIO 22
[15:43] <ali1234> and PB0 <-> GPIO 10
[15:43] * Gathis (~TheBlack@unaffiliated/gathis) has left #raspberrypi
[15:44] <Ad0> https://i.imgur.com/qV8rg4F.png
[15:44] <ali1234> you can also consider using GPIO 8 instead of 22
[15:44] <Ad0> maybe I should make a hat
[15:44] <Ad0> and then I can get it over with and choose any pin
[15:45] * Gathis (~TheBlack@unaffiliated/gathis) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:45] * ozlo (~zolo@207.98.194.207) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:45] <Capo_di_capo> i have a pi zero w but dont have a soldering iron can i just ducktape the io pins and will they work ?
[15:45] <Ad0> I need to tell avrdude to use the real SPI
[15:45] <Capo_di_capo> i do like to live dangerously
[15:45] <Ad0> ali1234: does the SPI have circuitry that pulls it up to 3.3 V ?
[15:45] <Ad0> I will first try the 14, 18 and 23
[15:45] <ali1234> Ad0: it does not have external pull ups
[15:46] <Ad0> ok
[15:46] <ali1234> all pins have internal pull ups
[15:46] * esch (~jaket@97-127-39-165.mpls.qwest.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:47] * semyon (~semyon@unaffiliated/semyon) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:49] * smdeep (~smdeep@202.142.116.152) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[15:51] * saint_ (~saint_@unaffiliated/saint-/x-0540772) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:51] <oq> Gadgetoid: you around? I was wondering if pimoroni were going to be making any more of the zero lipos hats
[15:51] * IT_Sean (~quassel@applefritter/IRCStaff) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:51] * saint_ (~saint_@unaffiliated/saint-/x-0540772) Quit (Client Quit)
[15:52] <shauno> and find a way to ship lipo to ireland without DHL doing their "one meeeeelion dollars!" dr evil face :(
[15:54] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:7190:5fed:ebf1:c1b2) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:54] <IT_Sean> That's easy. Don't tell 'em it's a lipo
[15:55] * brainzap (~brainzap@77.208.14.46.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch) Quit (Quit: IRC in 2016 LUL)
[15:56] * ozlo (~zolo@207.98.194.207) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.2)
[15:57] * mozak (~pi@95.180.67.124) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:57] * valeech (~valeech@unaffiliated/valeech) has joined #raspberrypi
[15:57] * toomin (~HoopyFroo@unaffiliated/toomin) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[15:57] <mozak> hi can somone explain me how to change keyboard layont
[15:57] <oq> shauno: they have to use a courier because the royal mail has a total ban (except if the lipo is inside an electronic device)
[15:57] <mozak> getting £ isted #
[15:58] <mozak> is thet in thet locals file
[15:58] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:7190:5fed:ebf1:c1b2) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[15:59] * Qatz (~DB@2601:187:8400:5::427) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[16:01] <higuita> mozak: loadkeys uk or use the rasp-config (or whatever it is called) to change the default
[16:01] * kushal (~figo@fedora/kushal) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:01] <mozak> ok ty will try
[16:01] * rscata (~cata@5.2.202.145) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[16:02] <mozak> # ok found it ###
[16:02] <mozak> yey now question 2 did anyone got runing net core on rpi
[16:02] <mozak> i know i can use mono but would like net core
[16:04] * vcolombo (~vcolombo@208.184.112.78) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:04] * jschoolcraft (~jschoolcr@pool-173-79-241-168.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:07] * mal_will (uid195162@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sdyjbrziojbdtipz) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:07] * bananabas (~bananabas@unaffiliated/bananabas) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:09] * Datalink__ (~Datalink@unaffiliated/datalink) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:09] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) Quit (Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com)
[16:09] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:7190:5fed:ebf1:c1b2) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:10] * AiGreek (~AiGreek@2a01:e35:8a47:c480:ed8f:62e0:2861:3452) Quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
[16:10] * freechips (~freechips@2001:b07:2ea:924c:ba27:ebff:fef6:601c) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[16:10] * humbot (~i@unaffiliated/humbag) Quit (Quit: oops)
[16:13] * Datalink_ (~Datalink@unaffiliated/datalink) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[16:14] * TheSilentLink (~TheSilent@unaffiliated/thesilentlink) Quit (Quit: Good Bye! My Bouncer has probably crashed or lost connection to the internet...)
[16:15] * TheSilentLink (~TheSilent@unaffiliated/thesilentlink) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:16] <mozak> .net core nobody?
[16:17] * mike_t (~mike@95.67.252.42) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[16:21] * semitones_2 (~4@unaffiliated/semitones) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:21] * feksclaus (~feksclaus@80-71-131-204.u.parknet.dk) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:24] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:24] * brainzap (~brainzap@77.208.14.46.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:28] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:29] * smdeep (~smdeep@2405:204:4185:8002:1513:967d:10a3:76cd) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:29] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) Quit (Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com)
[16:30] * sir_galahad_ad (~aaron@cpe-76-179-65-199.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:32] * marcdinkum (~marcdinku@145.107.204.129) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[16:33] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[16:35] * kbs (~user@166.170.42.0) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[16:38] * Pachurter (~Pachurter@unaffiliated/pachurter) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[16:38] * freechips (~freechips@2001:b07:2ea:924c:ba27:ebff:fef6:601c) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:38] * annoymouse (uid11754@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qaogwheuqeovxwbb) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:38] * Pachurter (~Pachurter@unaffiliated/pachurter) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:40] * webdev007 (~webdev007@104.247.233.115) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:41] * n4no` (~Thunderbi@2600:1009:b04e:db23:ad6f:cea0:8e6c:8f75) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[16:42] * stevie86 (~stefan@85-124-19-238.static.upcbusiness.at) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[16:45] * brokaw (~textual@216-188-254-66.dyn.grandenetworks.net) Quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[16:46] * brokaw (~textual@216-188-254-66.dyn.grandenetworks.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:50] * Qatz (~DB@2601:187:8400:5::427) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:51] * mschorm (mschorm@nat/redhat/x-bjhmucpqdbquzmhz) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[16:53] * Tenkawa (~na@unaffiliated/tenkawa) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:53] <Tenkawa> Anyone having fun with the zero-w's yet?
[16:54] <Tenkawa> it just keeps amazing me more to see what keeps getting squeezed into that small board
[16:55] * foozb12 (410089ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.0.137.174) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:58] * semyon (~semyon@unaffiliated/semyon) Quit (Quit: install gentoo)
[16:58] <Chillum> waiting for mine now
[17:00] <Tenkawa> Chillum: I picked up one this weekend and once I got raspbian installed the hardest part was figuring out what to do in what order next haahaa
[17:00] * smdeep_ (~smdeep@202.142.116.152) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:01] <foozb12> Question: http://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-zero.html I'm thinking about buying something like (basic kit). The one with the power supply + 8gb microsd. The idea is to hook it up to ethernet and forget about it. Need something to SSH into and edit stuff with emacs. So questions: Are we able to do a headless setup via SSH? And is there anything funky I need to know about installing the java jdk on it?
[17:01] <oq> foozb12: yes a headless setup is possible, you just need to flash the sd card and put an empty file called "ssh" in the fat32 partition
[17:01] * Gathis (~TheBlack@unaffiliated/gathis) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[17:01] * dlech (~dlech@108-198-5-147.lightspeed.okcbok.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:01] * Gathis (~TheBlack@unaffiliated/gathis) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:02] <Tenkawa> oq: haaahaaa I really went about it the difficult way
[17:02] <oq> foozb12: a pi3 might be a better idea though, because once you add the pi zero plus all the accessories it might cost as much as a pi3 anyway
[17:02] <Tenkawa> for ssh that is
[17:03] <Chillum> a zero W is a lot easier to get online
[17:03] <Tenkawa> didnt know there was a empty file "ssh" shortcut method now
[17:03] <Tenkawa> Chillum: indeed
[17:03] <Tenkawa> the old wifi-otg-usb was much tougher
[17:04] <foozb12> I see. Cool (regarding the headless setup). oq: won't be adding anything. Just need the board + power supply
[17:04] * brainzap (~brainzap@77.208.14.46.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch) Quit (Quit: IRC client 0x7ffff85f21cce has value 0x20ec8348 which is neither locked or unlocked. The memory has been smashed.)
[17:05] <oq> foozb12: + a micro usb otg adaptor + usb ethernet adaptor
[17:05] * jungsubk (~jungsubk@121.130.170.3) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:06] <oq> there are micro usb ethernet adaptors but I don't really see the appeal since you can't really use them for anything else
[17:06] * Tenkawa tries to avoid wired ethernet completely now
[17:07] <oq> why?
[17:07] <oq> I try to use wired ethernet as much as possible
[17:07] <Tenkawa> dont like physical wires getting in my way.. and lets just say the area i work in has "obstacles""
[17:07] <foozb12> oq: I figure I can get those for ~5 or 10. or as you said, micro usb ethernet adapter for 10, 15
[17:08] <oq> foozb12: yeah probably
[17:08] <oq> foozb12: what type of stuff are you planning to do with your pi0? the cpu is quite low spec
[17:10] <foozb12> oq: 90% would be emacs editing of some things / scripting. Nothing heavy on that end. I'd like to be able to compile small java cli programs also
[17:10] * elsevero (~elsevero@82.77.50.197) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[17:10] * Tenkawa is going to be using his primary zero-w as a bluetooth jukeboc
[17:10] <Tenkawa> er jukebox
[17:11] <oq> foozb12: ah okay, a pi0 should be fine
[17:12] * TheSin (~TheSin@gateway.bluefalls.ca) Quit (Quit: Client exiting)
[17:12] * Pachurter (~Pachurter@unaffiliated/pachurter) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[17:12] <foozb12> Ah cool. Thanks. Honestly I'm just going to put this in a corner and forget it exists
[17:12] * Pachurter (~Pachurter@unaffiliated/pachurter) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:14] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:16] * patambrosio (~patambros@49.144.23.147) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[17:17] <oq> yeah pis are good at that :P
[17:17] * humbot (~i@unaffiliated/humbag) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:18] * mschorm (~mschorm@ip-78-102-201-117.net.upcbroadband.cz) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:18] * yoosi (~yoosi@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/yoosi) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[17:18] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:18] * gennro (~gennro@2600:8801:3800:384:41ea:59e2:be0:5bb9) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[17:18] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[17:22] * k\o\w (~fff@135.0.26.107) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[17:22] * tlaxkit (~Thunderbi@92.177.112.239) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:22] * k\o\w (~fff@135.0.26.107) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:23] * double-you (~id@ip5f5bfddb.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) Quit (Quit: double-you)
[17:24] * double-you (~id@ip5f5bfddb.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:25] * Pachurter (~Pachurter@unaffiliated/pachurter) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[17:25] <redrabbit> foozb12: the kit is overpriced
[17:26] <redrabbit> get a pi0 or pi0w alone then buy psu/cards other stuff from a non pi related supplier
[17:26] * Pachurter (~Pachurter@unaffiliated/pachurter) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:26] <redrabbit> well that's what i do anyway, exept i get an overpriced item like a case once in a while because they dont exist elsewhere
[17:27] <redrabbit> plus the PSU is only 1A
[17:27] * Dave_MMP is now known as djsxxx_away
[17:27] <redrabbit> its a weak psu
[17:27] <oq> redrabbit: ehhh
[17:27] <oq> it's for a pi0
[17:27] <redrabbit> micro sd card looks like no-name garb...
[17:27] <oq> mine only draws 100mA
[17:28] <redrabbit> well this crappy card + cheap psu ain't worth 15$
[17:28] <redrabbit> thats all im saying
[17:28] * patambrosio (~patambros@49.144.23.147) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:28] <redrabbit> a brand name card would have sweetened the deal
[17:28] <redrabbit> (at least its class 10)
[17:29] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:29] <redrabbit> and this kit ain't enough to start working with it
[17:29] <redrabbit> you still need otg adapter + iface
[17:31] <redrabbit> a 100mbps usb ethernet adapter cost under $2
[17:31] <redrabbit> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/RD9700-USB-1-1-to-RJ45-Lan-Mini-Network-Card-Ethernet-Adapter-For-Mac-OS-Android/32716133595.html
[17:31] <redrabbit> a otg adapter can be found around 50 cents
[17:32] <redrabbit> sd card, 3$
[17:32] <redrabbit> psu, 2$
[17:32] <BurtyB> and next week you can buy another one when it falls apart...
[17:32] <redrabbit> its pretty much exacly what they sell you
[17:32] <redrabbit> but overpriced
[17:33] <BurtyB> or maybe it's something they've tested and feel confident in selling
[17:33] <redrabbit> the 50 cents otg for example, is exactly the same as pi moroni or pi hut
[17:33] * frodox (~frodox@176.15.9.185) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[17:33] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[17:33] <redrabbit> there is the same brand on it
[17:33] <redrabbit> i have that ethernet adapter
[17:33] <redrabbit> from that vendor
[17:33] * frodox (~frodox@176.15.9.185) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:33] * Pachurter (~Pachurter@unaffiliated/pachurter) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[17:33] <redrabbit> works without drivers on linux
[17:33] * Tenkawa just goes to microcenter
[17:34] <redrabbit> imo that bad rep is flawed
[17:34] * yoosi (~yoosi@unaffiliated/yoosi) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:35] * Pachurter (~Pachurter@unaffiliated/pachurter) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:35] * Viper168 (~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[17:36] <redrabbit> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/2Pcs-Micro-USB-Male-to-USB-Female-OTG-Adapter-Converter-For-Tablet-Android-Phone/32631743443.html
[17:37] <redrabbit> there you go, cheapest way to connect a pi0
[17:38] <BurtyB> *yawn*
[17:38] <redrabbit> i dont like to pair a 5$ computer with overpriced chunks of plastic
[17:38] <redrabbit> i like to pair it with so cheap its indecent chunks of plastic
[17:38] * patambrosio (~patambros@49.144.23.147) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[17:38] * Viper168 (~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:39] * eripa (~eripa@212.116.78.217) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[17:40] * patambrosio (~patambros@49.144.23.147) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:40] * qdk (~qdk@87-63-182-234-static.dk.customer.tdc.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[17:41] * jungsubk (~jungsubk@121.130.170.3) Quit (Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[17:42] * marcdinkum (~marcdinku@2001:985:5982:1:4f6:b66b:df66:8bff) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:42] * blackwind_123 (~IceChat9@117.192.152.117) Quit (Quit: Some folks are wise, and some otherwise.)
[17:44] * dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[17:45] * eripa (~eripa@212.116.78.217) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:49] * sandeepkr (~sandeepkr@43.231.59.251) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[17:49] * chen (~fury@pipe.bannerfree.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[17:51] * petersaints (~petersain@a95-92-215-252.cpe.netcabo.pt) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[17:51] <oq> redrabbit: I'd rather pay £2 and recieve it in a couple of days rather than pay a bit less and recieve it in a month
[17:51] * DMackey (~n2dvm@cpe-67-246-117-51.twcny.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[17:51] * petersaints (~petersain@a95-92-215-252.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:52] * b3h3m0th (uid26288@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cvhxqyzzgzzmmdyg) Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
[17:53] * yoosi (~yoosi@unaffiliated/yoosi) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[17:55] <leftyfb> local Microcenter finally got pi0w's in stock this morning. Within an hour I find out someone reserved them all even though in the same conversation I was told it's against their policy to reserve a new product with low stock numbers.
[17:55] <Tenkawa> ouch
[17:55] <leftyfb> now they don't even list on their website
[17:56] * chen (~fury@pipe.bannerfree.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:57] * marcdinkum (~marcdinku@2001:985:5982:1:4f6:b66b:df66:8bff) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[17:57] * s3nd1v0g1us (~weechat@unaffiliated/patr0clus) Quit (Quit: tempusfugit)
[17:57] * Sadale (~Sadale@unaffiliated/sadale) Quit (Quit: Ĝis revido)
[17:57] <leftyfb> does anyone know why the pi foundation has only chosen 1 brick and mortar store with 26 locations in the entire country(U.S.) and won't sell them to anyone else?
[17:57] * An_Onion (~Anorion@unaffiliated/saidinunleashed) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:58] * AlexPortable (uid7568@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zacjvqjptdjehdir) Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
[17:58] * mschorm (~mschorm@ip-78-102-201-117.net.upcbroadband.cz) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[17:58] * Sadale (~Sadale@unaffiliated/sadale) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:58] * GerhardSchr (~GerhardSc@unaffiliated/gerhardschr) has joined #raspberrypi
[17:58] <oq> leftyfb: because they make the pi0/pi0w's themselves they probably have to negotiate the retail contracts themselves rather than farnell etc doing all the work with the pi3s
[17:59] * foozb12 (410089ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.0.137.174) Quit (Quit: Page closed)
[18:00] <leftyfb> it's very frustrating
[18:00] <oq> and because the pi0's have such presumably low margins not everyone would be okay with that, which is why all the retailers that sell pi0's have those bundles
[18:00] * louisdk (~louisdk@5.103.130.65) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:01] <leftyfb> I'm holding a pi jam next week and was trying to acquire 10 or so pi 0's (even just the 1.3's) to sell at the event at cost just to help people who can't find them. Not a single retailer or the pi foundation would help me
[18:01] <oq> it is a bit messed up though, microcenter are supposed to be following the 1 per person thing
[18:01] <leftyfb> oh, they sort of do
[18:02] <leftyfb> you can buy more than 1, but after the 1st one, they're $15 up to qty 5, cost goes up after that as well
[18:02] <oq> doesn't sound like they do
[18:02] <oq> every other retailer it's 1 per person and that's it
[18:02] <oq> no special deals
[18:02] * swensson (4e46c2a8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.70.194.168) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[18:03] <leftyfb> even the bundles?
[18:04] <oq> even the bundles
[18:05] * Guest98519 (crazyed@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[18:06] * yoosi (~yoosi@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/yoosi) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:07] * [Butch] (~butch@node-0011.srv.us-east.phantom.avira-vpn.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:07] * patambrosio (~patambros@49.144.23.147) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[18:08] <Tenkawa> oq: microcenter is following a tiered model for pi zero... not 1 per customer
[18:08] * [Butch] (~butch@node-0011.srv.us-east.phantom.avira-vpn.net) Quit (Client Quit)
[18:08] * IRQBreaker (~IRQBreake@h-8-113.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:08] * patambrosio (~patambros@49.144.23.147) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:08] <Tenkawa> its very clear on the site
[18:08] * [Butch] (~butch@node-0011.srv.us-east.phantom.avira-vpn.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:08] <Tenkawa> and at least here they keep resupplying them quickly
[18:09] * tlaxkit (~Thunderbi@92.177.112.239) Quit (Quit: ¡Adiós!)
[18:09] * Guest66078 (crazyed@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:10] <leftyfb> not here
[18:10] <Tenkawa> leftyfb: I'm at microcenter's hometown though so...
[18:10] <leftyfb> the pi 0 w's they've only ever receieved 5
[18:11] <leftyfb> I wrote a scraper for their website. I notified the minute they get them in stock (added to the website)
[18:11] * EnrgySmth (d8eba101@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.235.161.1) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:11] * stiv (~steve@blender/coder/stivs) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[18:12] * j4ckcom (~morezt@unaffiliated/j4ckcom) has left #raspberrypi
[18:12] <leftyfb> they also had 10+ of the 0 1.3's in stock this morning. They're all gone as well. They opened 2 hours ago.
[18:13] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@212.3.197.237) Quit (Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com)
[18:15] * bananabas (~bananabas@unaffiliated/bananabas) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)
[18:17] * NicoHood (~arch@ip5f5bebce.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> leftyfb, what country are you in?
[18:20] <leftyfb> gordonDrogon: U.S.
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[18:20] <leftyfb> why?
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> pimoroni had dozens for sale at the birthday bash ...
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> and they have stock now, but that won't help you.
[18:20] * stiv (~steve@blender/coder/stivs) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:20] * AlexPortable (uid7568@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vdxnyiehthiajcxq) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> if you were uk or europe I'd suggest contacting them.
[18:21] * svm_invictvs (~patrick@unaffiliated/svminvictvs/x-938456) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> I have 2... and a small number of original zeros I should probably get rid of.
[18:21] <Capo_di_capo> anybody here experience with raspberry pi with sim800 board?
[18:22] <Tenkawa> I have way too many original zeros just sitting around now
[18:22] * qdk (~qdk@213.32.242.228) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:22] * GrimKriegor (~GrimKrieg@19.157.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:22] <leftyfb> gordonDrogon: I contacted pimoroni: "I'm afraid we can't make any exceptions to the one Pi Zero per order rule. We're also not able to combine shipping as this is essentially the same thing."
[18:23] <leftyfb> gordonDrogon: like I said, I contacted any retailers (even overseas) asking the same question. Got the same answer
[18:23] <Tenkawa> I still so wish I could work on these from my ipad
[18:23] <Tenkawa> (connected via usb/lightning)
[18:23] <Tenkawa> I dislike having to carry around my linux laptop
[18:24] <leftyfb> Tenkawa: use one and build a small linux portable to work on your other pi's :)
[18:24] <Tenkawa> leftyfb: hmmm.... thats a thought
[18:24] <Tenkawa> I could use one of my old zeros
[18:25] <Tenkawa> I could put a gpio wireless on it and usb it to the new one
[18:25] <oq> Tenkawa: if you got a pi0w and installed hostapd you could connect from the ipad via wifi and ssh it
[18:25] <Tenkawa> theres some "possibilities"
[18:26] * eroux (~eroux@196-215-40-49.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:26] <oq> assuming ios has ssh clients
[18:26] <Tenkawa> oq: I already do that... I'd just rather still have a connected option without the config just in case
[18:26] <Tenkawa> oq: yaeh I got plenty of ssh clients
[18:27] <Tenkawa> reflections even has a client now
[18:27] * Kostenko (~Kostenko@bl5-166-253.dsl.telepac.pt) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[18:28] * smdeep (~smdeep@2405:204:4185:8002:1513:967d:10a3:76cd) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[18:28] * Guest66078 is now known as CrazEd
[18:29] * CrazEd is now known as Guest90411
[18:29] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:30] * Lonefish (5152d240@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.82.210.64) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[18:31] * uksio (~uksio@p20030069AF7A12ABB0A134332FEBA862.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:32] <leftyfb> oq: ios has several
[18:32] <leftyfb> I prefer Terminus
[18:32] <Tenkawa> leftyfb: yeah I use that one some too
[18:33] * plum (~plum@unaffiliated/plum) Quit (Quit: leaving)
[18:33] * doomlord (~textual@host86-176-242-250.range86-176.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:34] * spybert (~spybert@c-50-173-239-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has left #raspberrypi
[18:34] * plum (~plum@unaffiliated/plum) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:34] * mschorm (~mschorm@ip-78-102-201-117.net.upcbroadband.cz) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:34] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[18:34] * uks (~uksio@p20030069AF7A12AB50B8C344D052823F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[18:36] * defsdoor (~andy@cpc35-sutt4-2-0-cust184.19-1.cable.virginm.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:39] * sgflt (~sgflt@p54B213DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:39] * fedalto (~fedalto@unaffiliated/fedalto) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:42] * kw21 (~kw21@D978E830.cm-3-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:43] * spybert (~spybert@c-50-173-239-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:44] <Ad0> ali1234: seems like having it on the uart rx0 screwed up the uart
[18:46] * Mikelevel (~MoVeWoRk@unaffiliated/mikelevel) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:47] * smdeep (~smdeep@202.142.116.152) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:50] * eroux (~eroux@196-215-40-49.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) Quit (Quit: ZZZzzz… ZZZzzz…)
[18:51] * annoymouse (uid11754@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qaogwheuqeovxwbb) Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
[18:51] * Tenkawa (~na@unaffiliated/tenkawa) Quit (Quit: leaving)
[18:54] * dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:55] * netzfisch (~Thunderbi@x55b0648f.dyn.telefonica.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:56] * Zparx (~Fox@dslb-188-108-208-117.188.108.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[18:57] * ozlo (~zolo@207.98.194.207) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:57] * Mikelevel (~MoVeWoRk@unaffiliated/mikelevel) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[19:01] * IRQBreaker (~IRQBreake@h-8-113.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[19:02] * elnormous (~elnormous@gateway.evolutiongaming.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[19:03] * bananabas (~bananabas@unaffiliated/bananabas) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:04] * IRQBreaker (~IRQBreake@h-8-113.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:05] * kow_ (~fff@135.0.26.107) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:06] * Allen_ (~Allen_@2601:204:c200:a7c4:7190:5fed:ebf1:c1b2) Quit ()
[19:06] * mozak (~pi@95.180.67.124) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[19:08] * charlieray (43576ee3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.87.110.227) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[19:09] * k\o\w (~fff@135.0.26.107) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[19:09] * Encrypt (~Encrypt@AMontsouris-655-1-163-254.w92-151.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:10] * netzfisch (~Thunderbi@x55b0648f.dyn.telefonica.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[19:11] * averagecase (~fjorton@dslb-092-072-187-237.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:13] * Cromaglious_ (~robi@47.149.72.39) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:13] * Mikelevel (~MoVeWoRk@unaffiliated/mikelevel) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:15] * gschanuel (~gschanuel@2801:80:200:2:3e81:4e77:599:417e) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[19:16] * LordThumper (~LordThump@unaffiliated/lordthumper) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:16] <LordThumper> Hey
[19:16] <LordThumper> How do you guys power your RPi3?
[19:16] * mike_t (~mike@95.67.252.42) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:17] <LordThumper> I'm looking for a good power supply (usb hub or usb charger)
[19:20] <bedah> www.ebay.com/itm/172327726093 this is cheep, 12V in, but barely powers the pi (spark symbol appears on screen sometimes)
[19:20] <LordThumper> cool
[19:21] <LordThumper> but I don't need to power the pi in my car
[19:21] <bedah> then i use the official 5.1V raspi power supply
[19:21] <LordThumper> ok
[19:21] <bedah> you can get 12V from lots of sources
[19:21] * elnormous (~elnormous@81.198.6.92) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:21] <LordThumper> I was looking for a hub so I can connect HDDs, etc
[19:21] <mfa298> LordThumper: I mostly use the offical supplies for my Pi's, buy the right thing and get it once
[19:22] <LordThumper> https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Portable-Computer-Chargers-Power-Supplies/Raspberry-Pi-adapter-UK-EU-5V-5A/B01CCR5P8U/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1488824527&sr=8-3&keywords=raspberry+pi+power+supply
[19:22] <LordThumper> That looks official
[19:22] <LordThumper> ah nvm
[19:22] <LordThumper> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Official-Power-Adapter-Raspberry-Pi/dp/B01CO1HZJ6/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1488824559&sr=8-4&keywords=raspberry+pi+power+supply
[19:22] <LordThumper> that is the official one
[19:22] <bedah> the official RPi3 power supply outputs 5.1V
[19:23] * elnormous (~elnormous@81.198.6.92) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[19:23] * sir_galahad_ad (~aaron@cpe-76-179-65-199.maine.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
[19:25] * mgottschlag (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:29] * Guest90411 is now known as CrazEd
[19:29] * Sadale (~Sadale@unaffiliated/sadale) Quit (Quit: Ĝis revido)
[19:29] * CrazEd is now known as Guest79035
[19:30] * tdy (~tdy@unaffiliated/tdy) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[19:30] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:31] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@84.237.229.84) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:31] * Mikelevel (~MoVeWoRk@unaffiliated/mikelevel) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[19:32] * tdy (~tdy@unaffiliated/tdy) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:33] * Capo_di_capo (d549d21a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.73.210.26) has left #raspberrypi
[19:34] * marcdinkum (~marcdinku@2001:985:5982:1:4f6:b66b:df66:8bff) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:34] * IRQBreaker (~IRQBreake@h-8-113.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) Quit (Quit: Client exiting)
[19:34] * sphenxes (~sphenxes@81-5-247-179.hdsl.highway.telekom.at) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:35] * Capo_di_capo (~capo_di_c@D549D21A.cm-10-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:35] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[19:36] * eroux (~eroux@196-215-40-49.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:37] * mike_t (~mike@95.67.252.42) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[19:38] * sdothum (~znc@dsl-173-206-148-241.tor.primus.ca) Quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.4 - http://znc.in)
[19:39] * gennro (~gennro@2600:8801:3800:384:41ea:59e2:be0:5bb9) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:39] * mschorm (~mschorm@ip-78-102-201-117.net.upcbroadband.cz) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[19:40] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@84.237.229.84) Quit (Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com)
[19:40] * sdothum (~znc@dsl-173-206-148-241.tor.primus.ca) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:41] * mgottschlag (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[19:42] * mgottschlag (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:45] * Mikelevel (~MoVeWoRk@unaffiliated/mikelevel) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:46] * Younder (~younder@ti0108a400-1289.bb.online.no) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:46] * Encrypt (~Encrypt@AMontsouris-655-1-163-254.w92-151.abo.wanadoo.fr) Quit (Quit: Quit)
[19:48] <IT_Sean> bedah: are you measuring that output under load?
[19:52] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@84.237.229.84) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:54] <bedah> which supplies output? http://imgur.com/a/RhGwf this is a pic of original RPi3 power supply
[19:55] <redrabbit> oh. i tought my 3.0 was official
[19:55] * Younder (~younder@ti0108a400-1289.bb.online.no) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[19:55] <redrabbit> ^^
[19:55] <redrabbit> 3.0A
[19:57] * FRP-admin (~FRP-admin@84.237.229.84) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[19:57] <redrabbit> the overvoltage is probably to compensate on various losses
[19:58] * Younder (~younder@ti0108a400-1289.bb.online.no) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:59] * sandeepkr (~sandeepkr@43.231.58.214) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:59] * Atm0spher1c (~future@unaffiliated/atm0spher1c) has joined #raspberrypi
[19:59] * IT_Sean is now known as IT_AFK
[20:03] * SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:03] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:06] * sandeepkr (~sandeepkr@43.231.58.214) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[20:07] <bedah> http://imgur.com/gallery/RhGwf my power supplies so far..
[20:08] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[20:08] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:13] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[20:16] * mozak (~pi@95.180.67.124) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:16] * GreeningGalaxy (~ellie@2620:0:2250:101c:fec8:1ffe:b66a:5a63) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:16] <redrabbit> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5V-700mA-3-5W-AC-DC-Precision-Buck-Converter-AC-220v-to-5v-DC-step-down/32649591757.html
[20:16] <mozak> hi why i am random getting yellow tunderbolt when i have 2.1 amp power
[20:16] <redrabbit> i have a box with a few of theses
[20:17] <redrabbit> useful to power on small stuff like the zero
[20:17] <redrabbit> in a very tiny package
[20:17] <ShorTie> mozak, most likely tour micro-usb cable
[20:17] <bedah> the thunderbolt means: raspberry thinks the voltage is dropping too low
[20:17] <ShorTie> does it have 24awg printed on it ??
[20:17] <mozak> mozak, yep i power trou micro usb i did not know i can power it some other wey
[20:18] * taza (~taza@unaffiliated/taza) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:18] <bedah> it can be powered trough the pin header, but i haven't tried that
[20:18] <redrabbit> through
[20:18] <bedah> yes sorry
[20:19] <bedah> <-- just a kraut
[20:20] <redrabbit> try thicker/shorter cable or a better PSU
[20:20] <mozak> anyone runing net core on rip?
[20:21] <mozak> *rpi
[20:21] <mfa298> mozak: for most cases it's best to power through the microusb as that gives some protection to the Pi (powering through the gpio pins bypasses that protection)
[20:21] * eroux (~eroux@196-215-40-49.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) Quit (Quit: ZZZzzz… ZZZzzz…)
[20:22] <redrabbit> .Net ?
[20:22] * IT_AFK is now known as IT_Sean
[20:22] <redrabbit> there's win10 for the rpi, maybe that
[20:22] <mozak> yep, .net core runs on linux too
[20:22] <mozak> its new crows platform
[20:22] * redrabbit learned something
[20:25] * wonderer (quakeroate@tm.78.153.51.19.dc.cable.static.telemach.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:26] * mozak (~pi@95.180.67.124) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[20:26] * eroux (~eroux@196-215-40-49.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:27] * codestorm (~codestorm@cpe-76-94-68-62.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:27] * redrum88 (~Helder@151.24.109.68) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:28] * cyborg-one (~cyborg-on@176-119-89-230.broadband.tenet.odessa.ua) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:29] * Guest79035 is now known as CrazEd
[20:30] * sphenxes01 (~sphenxes@81-5-247-179.hdsl.highway.telekom.at) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:30] * CrazEd is now known as Guest12003
[20:31] * sphenxes (~sphenxes@81-5-247-179.hdsl.highway.telekom.at) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[20:31] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:32] * qdk (~qdk@213.32.242.228) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[20:33] * qdk (~qdk@213.32.242.228) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:34] * feksclaus (~feksclaus@80-71-131-204.u.parknet.dk) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[20:35] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[20:35] * lankanmon_ (~LKNnet@CPEa84e3fc94903-CMa84e3fc94900.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[20:35] * averagecase (~fjorton@dslb-092-072-187-237.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[20:36] * feksclaus (~feksclaus@80-71-131-204.u.parknet.dk) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:37] * averagecase (~fjorton@dslb-092-072-187-237.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:38] * mgottschlag (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) Quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
[20:38] * LordThumper (~LordThump@unaffiliated/lordthumper) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[20:38] * GreeningGalaxy (~ellie@2620:0:2250:101c:fec8:1ffe:b66a:5a63) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.7)
[20:39] * SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[20:39] * mgottschlag (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:39] * fedalto (~fedalto@unaffiliated/fedalto) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[20:42] * mejja (~user@c-060ae255.023-172-73746f67.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:42] * elsevero (~elsevero@82.79.75.113) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:43] * immibis (~chatzilla@122-59-205-9.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:44] * armin (~armin@base.m2m.pm) Quit (Quit: relate to the matter as i drop the bomb)
[20:46] * gennro (~gennro@2600:8801:3800:384:41ea:59e2:be0:5bb9) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[20:48] * armin (~armin@base.m2m.pm) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:52] * codestorm (~codestorm@cpe-76-94-68-62.socal.res.rr.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[20:56] * wonderer (quakeroate@tm.78.153.51.19.dc.cable.static.telemach.net) Quit (Quit: Famous quotes #51: "You got to be careful if you don't know where you're going, because you might not get there."- Yogi Berra)
[20:57] * InfoAddict (~InfoAddic@c122-108-225-120.fitzg3.qld.optusnet.com.au) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:59] * sdothum (~znc@dsl-173-206-148-241.tor.primus.ca) Quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.4 - http://znc.in)
[20:59] * mejja (~user@c-060ae255.023-172-73746f67.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) has left #raspberrypi
[21:01] * sdothum (~znc@dsl-173-206-148-241.tor.primus.ca) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:01] <Ad0> gordonDrogon: can gpio command set ALT0 ?
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> Ad0, Yes. gpio mode $pin alt0
[21:02] <Ad0> cool
[21:02] * sandeepkr (~sandeepkr@43.231.58.214) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:02] * ShorTie (~Idiot@unaffiliated/shortie) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[21:03] * JK-47 (RJ@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe73:fc8) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:03] * svm_invictvs (~patrick@unaffiliated/svminvictvs/x-938456) Quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[21:03] <Ad0> uart is back in business
[21:03] <Ad0> I guess avrdude set the gpio to the right modes beforehand but does not restore their original state
[21:05] * bananabas (~bananabas@unaffiliated/bananabas) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)
[21:05] * swift110 (~swift110@unaffiliated/swift110) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:08] * sandeepkr (~sandeepkr@43.231.58.214) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[21:09] <Ad0> I am staying off the uart for flashing
[21:09] <Ad0> it creates problems during verification
[21:10] * elsevero (~elsevero@82.79.75.113) Quit (Quit: elsevero)
[21:12] * skalpin (~skalpin@104.214.26.42) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.4)
[21:13] * icez (~zeci@unaffiliated/icez) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:13] <ali1234> dont use the uart at all
[21:13] <ali1234> just use SPI
[21:13] * sdothum (~znc@dsl-173-206-148-241.tor.primus.ca) Quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.4 - http://znc.in)
[21:14] * lopta (ball@99.95.107.157) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:15] <ali1234> actually dont do that
[21:16] <ali1234> unless you can make the pi operate as SPI slave
[21:16] <ali1234> i don't know if that is available
[21:17] * noraatepernos (~noraatepe@c-73-48-168-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:17] * immibis (~chatzilla@122-59-205-9.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[21:22] <noraatepernos> I’m wondering what I should google. I’m looking for a solution that will use current from a car battery to charge a lipo battery pack. My pi device is going to draw around 500mA. When the car is *running* (separate 12V lead) I want to charge the pack/power the pi and when the car is off I want to switch my app in to low power mode ~200mA and draw from the battery. The question I have is about isolating the pi from
[21:22] <noraatepernos> these changes in power source as I switch between. Is that possible?
[21:22] * sandeepkr (~sandeepkr@43.231.58.214) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:22] <ali1234> yes it is possible
[21:22] <ali1234> but it is not easy
[21:23] <lopta> When the car is running it's likely to be closer to 14V than 12.
[21:23] <lopta> (I think)
[21:23] <noraatepernos> ali1234: I figured. It seemed like a challenge.
[21:23] <ali1234> could be anywhere from 9V to 18V+
[21:23] * Capo_di_capo (~capo_di_c@D549D21A.cm-10-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[21:23] <Chillum> Just make sure you give it its own battery and not share the starting battery
[21:24] <ali1234> you need to google for "load sharing" or "power path" charge controllers
[21:25] <ali1234> see http://blog.zakkemble.co.uk/a-lithium-battery-charger-with-load-sharing/
[21:25] * [diablo] (~textual@unaffiliated/miles/x-000000001) Quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
[21:25] <ali1234> you will also want to take steps to prevent your circuit from flattening the main car battery as chillum said
[21:27] * Encrypt (~Encrypt@AMontsouris-655-1-163-254.w92-151.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:27] * int3nz0r (~int3nz0r@541A8E1B.cm-5-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:28] <Ad0> ali1234: if I just leave the UART alone it's fine
[21:28] <Ad0> :)
[21:28] <Ad0> I will make a flash script to just "unit test" the procedure
[21:28] <Ad0> like a loop that runs in screen and breaks when it returns != 0
[21:29] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:29] * galileopy (~galileopy@181.122.82.124) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:30] <ali1234> you will want to put it in the Makefile for your firmware
[21:30] * Guest12003 is now known as CrazEd
[21:30] * mschorm (~mschorm@ip-78-102-201-117.net.upcbroadband.cz) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:30] * wildc4rd (~wildc4rd@2a00:23c5:7e8:b300:988e:e640:dc32:cbc6) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[21:30] <ali1234> for example https://github.com/ali1234/avr-teletext/blob/master/Makefile
[21:31] * CrazEd is now known as Guest16998
[21:31] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:32] <Ad0> I use atmel studio
[21:32] <Ad0> what raspberry will see is just a .hex
[21:32] <ali1234> well, that's silly
[21:32] <Ad0> I prefer it
[21:32] <Ad0> I'm a windows guy, I avoid actually developing on linux :)
[21:33] * wildc4rd (~wildc4rd@2a00:23c5:7e8:b300:c43f:2a24:8dc6:3435) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:33] <ali1234> i don't touch windows, it is too fragile
[21:33] <ali1234> apt name, really
[21:33] <Ad0> hehe
[21:34] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[21:34] <Ad0> visual studio even has support for developing on linux remotely
[21:34] <Ad0> and remote GDB
[21:34] <Ad0> not really ready for prime time but
[21:34] <ali1234> what is the point though?
[21:35] <ali1234> why learn two operating systems?
[21:35] <Ad0> because most of the stuff I normally work on is on windows
[21:35] <Ad0> why learn 2-3 development tools I say :)
[21:36] <Ad0> again it's a matter of taste
[21:36] <ali1234> well yeah... i just use mingw cross compile if i want to target windows
[21:36] <ali1234> apple is harder to deal with in that respect
[21:36] <Ad0> yeah
[21:36] <ali1234> haven't found a working solution for cross compile yet
[21:36] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[21:36] <Ad0> I do ios / android as well so tell me about it
[21:36] <shauno> I spent my afternoon trying to convince IE11 to either not pretend it's IE8, or to do it properly. I do much better pretending windows doesn't exist
[21:37] <Chillum> it always gets in the way
[21:37] * Ano2 (~Anorion@unaffiliated/saidinunleashed) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:37] <Chillum> an OS should not do that
[21:37] <ali1234> it also has useless logging
[21:38] <ali1234> and configuration system that actively prevent reproducing bugs
[21:38] * phil42 (~Gart@c-76-125-104-228.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[21:40] * An_Onion (~Anorion@unaffiliated/saidinunleashed) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[21:40] <Ad0> haha I did not intend to start OS wars here
[21:40] <Chillum> OS WAR!
[21:41] <lopta> TOS Vs. AmigaDOS!
[21:41] <Ad0> :)
[21:41] * sdothum (~znc@dsl-173-206-148-241.tor.primus.ca) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:41] <ali1234> if you develop on windows and think you might need to make a bug release to your firmware in 10 years, pretty much your only recourse is to buy three identical workstations and put them in cold storage along with several backup images of your full OS drive
[21:41] <Chillum> AppleDOS!
[21:42] <Ad0> or use a VM if it's THAT outdated
[21:42] <Ad0> but windows has compat way back
[21:42] <Ad0> apple on the other hand...
[21:42] <clever> Ad0: i had to use some activex stuff a month ago...
[21:42] <Ad0> then you are doomed to sit with 3 different computers *today*
[21:42] <clever> Ad0: the only way to make it work was to install win xp under a vm
[21:42] <Ad0> different versions of iOS are tied to different versions of xcode etc
[21:43] <shauno> the compat is a lie
[21:44] <ali1234> 10 year old AVR programmer has no drivers for windows 20, windows 10 won't run on 2027 PCs
[21:44] <ali1234> yes, the compat is a lie
[21:44] <clever> ali1234: and dont forget about licensing!
[21:44] <ali1234> indeed
[21:44] <clever> ali1234: i highly doubt i can activate that winxp i had to install
[21:44] <lopta> ali1234: avrdude is open source, right? ;-)
[21:44] <ali1234> lopta: of course
[21:44] <clever> so i'm going to have to either crack it, or re-install every month
[21:45] <shauno> I had a simple mess today. IE supports clauses in comments, like [if IE lt 9]. and IE11 is forcing itself into IE8-compatibility on intranet sites. IE8 compatibility does not honor [if IE lt 9]. So it'll emulate 8's bugs, but not their fixes.
[21:45] <Ad0> there's no garantuee a driver works today on a kernel 10 years back
[21:45] <Ad0> then you would have to dig up the old kernel
[21:45] <Ad0> same story on linux
[21:45] <Ad0> you would have to actively do things to make old stuff work
[21:45] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure linux serial has not changed ever
[21:46] <Ad0> well now windows has a posix layer so you can run it there then
[21:46] <ali1234> in any case, all i have to do is put three SD cards in abox :)
[21:46] <clever> yeah, most avrdude stuff works by just changing some signaling lines on a serial port
[21:46] * lopta <- doesn't run Linux *or* Windows ;-)
[21:46] <Ad0> BeOS?
[21:46] <ali1234> riscos?
[21:47] <lopta> NetBSD, mostly.
[21:47] * joethei (~joethei@37.114.61.198) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:47] <lopta> I have used RiscOS in the past though.
[21:48] <lopta> ...about a thousand years ago.
[21:48] <Ad0> old apps in windows using normal API and pure serial works fine - it must be stupid people writing a special driver for windows then
[21:48] <Ad0> I use an app from the late 90s early 2000
[21:49] <Ad0> some apps that don't work in newer windows are poorly written in many cases
[21:49] <ali1234> windows apps are generally poorly written, yes
[21:49] <Ad0> takes use of undocumented functions / using apis wrong etc
[21:49] * aguz (uid169722@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mnhyioxlmsjkbyim) Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
[21:49] <Ad0> linux has it's share of convoluted apps as well
[21:49] <ali1234> how else would they sell you the upgrade?
[21:50] <Ad0> and making them compile is a nightmare
[21:50] <Ad0> hehe
[21:50] <Ad0> I don't think that technique works any longer
[21:50] <Ad0> "strategy"
[21:51] <Ad0> anyway I love linux
[21:51] * Valduare (~Valduare@97-94-35-98.static.ftbg.wi.charter.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[21:51] <Ad0> what editor do you use for code on linux then ali1234 ?
[21:51] * Valduare (~Valduare@97-94-35-98.static.ftbg.wi.charter.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:51] <clever> Ad0: ive been using nixos lately, and it also solves a number of the above mentioned issues
[21:51] <Ad0> clever: cool
[21:51] <clever> Ad0: basicaly, every build of the os, or any package, is snapshoted
[21:51] <ali1234> Ad0: xed or nano
[21:52] <Ad0> ok
[21:52] <Ad0> I like nano
[21:52] <ali1234> depending on if i am developing on a remote machine or not
[21:52] <clever> Ad0: so i can easily undo a months worth of changes to the system, in seconds
[21:52] <ali1234> clever: i still did not try nixos
[21:52] <ali1234> i cant understand it :S
[21:52] <ali1234> it sounds great though
[21:53] <ali1234> but i want to use it to build something other than nixos
[21:53] <clever> ali1234: i have used it to build a custom distro for my rpi3
[21:53] <ali1234> i want to customize raspbian
[21:53] <clever> ali1234: it was a ~48,b squashfs
[21:53] <clever> 48mb*
[21:53] <ali1234> that is pretty good
[21:53] * [Butch]_ (~butch@node-0011.srv.us-west.phantom.avira-vpn.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:53] <clever> one of the nix expressions i wrote, made a single directory on the tftp server
[21:54] * doomlord (~textual@host86-176-242-250.range86-176.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[21:54] <ali1234> is all this stuff released?
[21:54] <clever> and the rpi was booting that directory over the network, with only a bootcode.bin on the SD card
[21:54] <ali1234> ramdisk?
[21:54] <clever> yeah
[21:54] <Ad0> clever: cool
[21:54] <clever> https://github.com/cleverca22/not-os/blob/master/rpi_image.nix#L14
[21:54] <clever> this is the expression i was using at the time
[21:54] <Ad0> once you compile something in ubuntu you can get into a mess with wrong package versions for libraries etc
[21:55] <Ad0> same with drivers that are compiled
[21:55] <Ad0> one kernel update and the driver doesn't compile anymoer
[21:55] <ali1234> DKMS solved that problem 10 years ago
[21:55] <clever> Ad0: thats common to nearly all linux distros, different versions in /usr/lib can overwrite eachother
[21:55] <Ad0> I had a hauppgauge capture driver I had to do that every kernel upgrade
[21:55] <clever> Ad0: nix solves that by using /nix/store/HASH-foo-1.2.3/lib/
[21:55] <Ad0> ok
[21:56] * [Butch] (~butch@node-0011.srv.us-east.phantom.avira-vpn.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[21:56] * [Butch]_ is now known as [Butch]
[21:56] <clever> Ad0: drivers are also solved easily, you CANT manualy fix things
[21:56] <clever> Ad0: you MUST describe how to fix it, using a nix expression
[21:56] <clever> Ad0: then any time you do an update, nixos will apply the fix for you
[21:56] <ali1234> why not just fix it upstream?
[21:56] <ali1234> that was always the problem with gentoo
[21:56] <ali1234> they collected fixes in portage and never upstreamed them
[21:56] <clever> ali1234: you can then easily open a pull request to nixos/nixpkgs on github
[21:57] <clever> and now its fixed for every other user
[21:57] <ali1234> only if they use nix
[21:57] * blackwind_123 (~IceChat9@117.192.128.182) has joined #raspberrypi
[21:57] <ali1234> just like with gentoo
[21:57] <clever> and your free to also send it upstream
[21:57] <ali1234> does it actually happen though?
[21:58] * Gathis (~TheBlack@unaffiliated/gathis) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[21:58] <ali1234> why are there ssh keys in your repo?
[21:59] <clever> when i was testing it, it would get a new ssh hostkey every time it booted
[21:59] <clever> and then ~/.ssh/known_hosts would get upset, every single time
[21:59] <ali1234> you should add an except to ssh.conf
[21:59] <ali1234> for development IPs
[21:59] <ali1234> it will not save them
[21:59] <clever> ah, i can do that next time i run into this issue
[22:00] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/87449/how-to-disable-strict-host-key-checking-in-ssh/385187
[22:00] * JK-47 (RJ@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe73:fc8) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)
[22:02] * Mikelevel (~MoVeWoRk@unaffiliated/mikelevel) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[22:02] <ali1234> (read all the answers, not just the first)
[22:03] <clever> yeah, limit it to that ip
[22:03] <ali1234> and the /dev/null thing
[22:04] <clever> that also comes up sometimes in nixos
[22:04] * Gathis (~TheBlack@unaffiliated/gathis) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:04] * Ano2 (~Anorion@unaffiliated/saidinunleashed) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[22:04] * An_Onion (~Anorion@unaffiliated/saidinunleashed) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:05] <lopta> What is nixos?
[22:05] * doomlord (~textual@host86-176-242-250.range86-176.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:05] <clever> lopta: https://nixos.org/
[22:05] <ali1234> clever: is there a list of packages available?
[22:06] <lopta> Hmm... thanks.
[22:06] <clever> ali1234: https://nixos.org/nixos/packages.html
[22:07] * brokaw (~textual@216-188-254-66.dyn.grandenetworks.net) Quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
[22:08] <hmoney> burtyb: i ordered one of your clusterhats today :)
[22:08] <ali1234> what if it doesn't have a new enough package? i get the .nix and bump versions?
[22:08] <clever> ali1234: easily
[22:08] <swift110> hey all
[22:09] <ali1234> this reminds me a lot of gentoo
[22:09] <ali1234> early days gentoo when you had to build it all yourself
[22:09] <clever> ali1234: nix also has a binary cache with pre-built versions of nearly everything
[22:09] * YuGiOhJCJ (~YuGiOhJCJ@bur64-4-78-199-90-154.fbx.proxad.net) Quit (Quit: YuGiOhJCJ)
[22:09] <clever> ali1234: and unlike gentoo, nix protects the builds from other things on the system
[22:09] <ali1234> that's no use for me ... i need to heavily customize everything
[22:10] <clever> ali1234: what do you need to customize?
[22:10] <ali1234> gstreamer, qt, rygel, and all of their dependencies
[22:10] <ali1234> and the kernel
[22:10] * shabius (~shaburov1@broadband-46-188-26-49.2com.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[22:11] <ali1234> other than that i only need systemd and a sensible base system
[22:11] <hmoney> guys
[22:11] <hmoney> what are you using this for?
[22:11] * shabius (~shaburov1@broadband-46-188-26-49.2com.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:11] <clever> ali1234: https://gist.github.com/cleverca22/e4fbc73f575aadc690e76db9240fe752 some changes i had done before to my kernel
[22:11] <ali1234> hmoney: what are we using what for?
[22:11] <hmoney> im not familiar with anything ali just said -.-
[22:11] <hmoney> <ali1234> gstreamer, qt, rygel, and all of their dependencies
[22:12] * TheSin (~TheSin@gateway.bluefalls.ca) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:12] <hmoney> what are you customizing those for?
[22:12] <Ad0> looking into nixos
[22:12] <ali1234> hmoney: gstreamer for multimedia decoding and playback. qt for user interface. rygel for uPNP control
[22:12] * lopta resists the urge to nap.
[22:12] <ali1234> dependencies to provide codecs
[22:13] <ali1234> i'm customizing them because by default they all include lots of pointless and barely used features
[22:13] <hmoney> for production or to toy with at home?
[22:13] <ali1234> for a custom installation
[22:14] <ali1234> did anyone see that nintendo switch display with broken raspberry pi video player on reddit?
[22:14] <ali1234> that is what i wish to avoid
[22:14] <hmoney> yeah
[22:14] <clever> ?
[22:15] <hmoney> i wonder if it was just due to a power shortage or something easily avoidable
[22:16] <hmoney> https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/5xhfo5/it_looks_like_the_nintendo_switch_display_at_my/
[22:16] <ali1234> probably caused by shop staff cutting the power every day until eventually the filesystem got corrupted
[22:16] <clever> ah
[22:16] <clever> and some idiot left the FS in r/w mode
[22:16] <ali1234> right
[22:16] * lopta slumps across his desk.
[22:16] <clever> i would always aim for a read-only mounting, or even a ramdisk for that
[22:16] <ali1234> but making a ro filesystem on pi is not easy
[22:17] <clever> ive done it before, in seconds
[22:17] <ali1234> ramdisk is easier, but means you have to actually put some thought into how you build the distro
[22:17] <clever> i just edited /etc/fstab to make it mount read-only
[22:17] <clever> and it booted back up just fine
[22:17] <ali1234> sure it did :)
[22:17] <clever> and i was able to switch it back to r/w manualy with "mount / -o remount,rw"
[22:18] <clever> which allowed editing fstab to revert things
[22:18] * [Saint] (~sinner@rockbox/staff/saint) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[22:18] <ali1234> that won't work very well with real applications
[22:18] <ali1234> you'll have broken /var/lock and broken /tmp at the very least
[22:19] <hmoney> couldnt this be solved with a UPS and safe shutdown setup once it noticed power wasnt being supplied?
[22:19] <ali1234> it could also be solved by employee beatings but that doesn't mean it is a good idea :)
[22:19] <clever> ali1234: throw in a few tmpfs's
[22:19] <hmoney> or using a cm3 with flash storage instead?
[22:19] <clever> ali1234: though i would probably use not-os on a ramdisk now
[22:20] <ali1234> there are a lot of ways to do it, but none of them are as easy as just flipping a switch
[22:20] * sandeepkr (~sandeepkr@43.231.58.214) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[22:21] <hmoney> pun intended?
[22:21] <ali1234> hmoney: flash storage won't help at all
[22:21] <ali1234> SD cards are already flash storage
[22:21] <hmoney> ye i thought about that after i said it :/
[22:21] * humbot (~i@unaffiliated/humbag) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[22:21] <hmoney> it's killing power while writing to it that borks it
[22:21] <clever> its more to do with how the flash media handles unexpected power loss
[22:21] <ali1234> yes
[22:21] <clever> and not all SD cards handle it the same way
[22:22] <clever> it also depends on what FS you used
[22:22] <hmoney> so it's not as easy as just flipping a switch- but these were installed all over the country
[22:22] * humbot (~i@unaffiliated/humbag) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:22] * [Saint] (~sinner@rockbox/staff/saint) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:22] <ali1234> when was the switch released?
[22:22] <hmoney> setting it up correctly and then doing that 1000+ times seems like it would be worth the trouble to get it right
[22:22] <hmoney> a week ago? less?
[22:23] <ali1234> there's 6000 gamestops in the US
[22:23] * eroux (~eroux@196-215-40-49.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) Quit (Quit: ZZZzzz… ZZZzzz…)
[22:23] <lopta> ali1234: Do they have Atari 2600?
[22:23] <ali1234> these things only need to work for maybe a couple of months
[22:23] <hmoney> ye
[22:23] <ali1234> filesystem corruption isn't that common
[22:23] <hmoney> prob easier to just ship them with a few extra sd cards ready to swap
[22:23] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:23] <ali1234> and the whole thing was probably thrown together by an external marketing agency, not nintendo
[22:24] * GerhardSchr (~GerhardSc@unaffiliated/gerhardschr) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[22:24] <hmoney> yeah
[22:24] <ali1234> and that agency probably has 1000 salespeople and one tech guy
[22:24] <hmoney> IT IS A COST CENTER OKAY
[22:24] * hmoney is dead inside
[22:24] <ali1234> i used to work for a company like that
[22:24] * svm_invictvs (~patrick@unaffiliated/svminvictvs/x-938456) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:24] <hmoney> same
[22:24] <ali1234> you don't know what dead inside feels like until you've been there
[22:25] <hmoney> i was it helpdesk for on the border corporate
[22:25] <hmoney> it was shit :)
[22:25] <ali1234> i was literally designing video players like the switch display thing
[22:25] * Mikelevel (~MoVeWoRk@unaffiliated/mikelevel) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:25] <ali1234> except raspberry pi didn't exist then
[22:25] <hmoney> yeah if i was gonna do that i'd do it myself
[22:25] <ali1234> if it had, i would have used it
[22:26] <ali1234> even with filesystem corruption problems it would have been better than the tech i had available to me at the time
[22:26] <hmoney> :(
[22:26] <lopta> It's hard to beat DVD players for price ...but not for reliability.
[22:26] <ali1234> i didnt have a budget for custom hardware so it was a matter of finding an embedded video player that worked and hopin for the best
[22:26] <hmoney> lopta?
[22:27] * InfoAddict (~InfoAddic@c122-108-225-120.fitzg3.qld.optusnet.com.au) Quit (Quit: InfoAddict)
[22:27] <ali1234> we tried DVD players but the discs kept jamming
[22:27] <lopta> ali1234: See above ;-)
[22:27] <hmoney> so many options now tho
[22:27] * sandeepkr (~sandeepkr@43.231.58.214) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:27] <ali1234> yeah the stuff that is available now is amazing
[22:27] <clever> if the pi wasnt available today, i would either use a dvd player with usb support
[22:28] <hmoney> i've been to a pub that just used a usb stick with a single picture on it to display their menu on tvs
[22:28] <ali1234> we were paying £500 for a video player and £6000 for a projector
[22:28] <clever> or a digital picture frame
[22:28] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[22:28] * ragedragon (~ragedrago@hus54-1-78-214-148-27.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:28] <ali1234> now it would be £50 and £600 for the same thing
[22:29] <oq> anyone here use the gpio hammer headers?
[22:29] <ali1234> in between trying to figure out why the players kept on crashing i also had to handle media encoding for clients
[22:30] <ali1234> i was literally the only person with any technical knowledge at the company
[22:31] <lopta> I used to have technical knowledge.
[22:31] * Guest16998 is now known as CrazEd
[22:31] <ali1234> i also had to provide tech support for all the other staff as well :/
[22:32] <ali1234> despite all of this, most of the time i had nothing to do
[22:32] * CrazEd is now known as Guest68406
[22:32] <lopta> ali1234: How did you use your spare time?
[22:32] <hmoney> so i bought a bunch of micro usb to ethernet dongles from china
[22:32] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:32] <hmoney> and they all have the same mac address -.-
[22:33] <clever> (facepalm)
[22:33] <ali1234> lopta: contributing to open source software and working on my own projects
[22:33] <clever> hmoney: though i think the usb ethernet on the rpi is the same, its the OTP memory on the rpi cpu that sets the mac
[22:33] * lopta nods
[22:34] <hmoney> i used an app called macchanger to change them, but at first boot they all boot with the same mac, then it updates once the OS loads. my router doesnt like it
[22:34] <lopta> ISTR on a SPARCstation that the MAC address was stored in NVRAM
[22:34] <lopta> ...so when the battery dies it's all FF or 00.
[22:34] <hmoney> clever: no the mac is definitely on the usb dongles not the pi itself
[22:34] <ali1234> you can change the mac address
[22:34] <hmoney> how?
[22:34] <clever> hmoney: i mean for the normal pi's, with the ethernet on the pi
[22:34] * izaac (~izaac@fedora/izaac) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[22:34] <ali1234> maybe permanently, definitely temporarily
[22:35] <clever> hmoney: "ip link set addr" i think, google and the man page can give details
[22:35] <hmoney> i did it inside of raspbian, therefore it only changes it once the OS loads
[22:35] <hmoney> which means during boot it hits my router as the original mac
[22:35] * shabius (~shaburov1@broadband-46-188-26-49.2com.net) Quit (Quit: C20H25N3O)
[22:35] <noraatepernos> I’m having trouble figuring out which processor is in the pi b+.
[22:35] * norlevo (~foty@club4.phix.no) Quit (*.net *.split)
[22:36] <clever> hmoney: its probably in /etc/network/interfaces, that would set it before the network comes up
[22:36] <ali1234> noraatepernos: 2835
[22:36] * izaac (~izaac@fedora/izaac) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:36] * elsevero (~elsevero@79.117.26.248) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:37] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[22:37] * shabius (~shaburov1@broadband-46-188-26-49.2com.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:38] <lopta> I would like a B+ at some point.
[22:38] <lopta> ...and an A+
[22:39] * BOKALDO (~BOKALDO@46.109.205.74) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[22:39] <hmoney> so buy them :P
[22:39] <ali1234> looks like we are never getting a 3A+
[22:39] <lopta> hmoney: I'm a bit strapped for cash.
[22:39] <ali1234> just get a zero w and a 3B
[22:39] <lopta> hmoney: I'm saving up for a passport and some shoes.
[22:40] * RoBo_V1 (~robo@103.63.17.245) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:40] * [Saint] (~sinner@rockbox/staff/saint) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[22:41] <lopta> Do the A+ and B+ both have 512M RAM?
[22:41] <lopta> Ah, found it.
[22:42] <lopta> The new ones have 512M RAM.
[22:42] * RoBo_V (~robo@117.197.173.141) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
[22:42] * RoBo_V1 is now known as RoBo_V
[22:43] <oq> ali1234: didn't liz confirm semi recently that A+ was still coming
[22:44] <lopta> A+ has the camera connector, right?
[22:44] * mschorm (~mschorm@ip-78-102-201-117.net.upcbroadband.cz) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[22:45] * [Saint] (~sinner@rockbox/staff/saint) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:46] * MuffinMedic (Evan@unaffiliated/muffinmedic) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
[22:46] * chra94 (~chra94@unaffiliated/chra94) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:47] * norlevo (~foty@club4.phix.no) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:47] * swift110 (~swift110@unaffiliated/swift110) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[22:47] <oq> ali1234: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=175702&start=28
[22:48] * ShorTie (~Idiot@unaffiliated/shortie) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:53] * Dummy101 (~whatwhat@31.205.50.193) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
[22:53] * [Saint] (~sinner@rockbox/staff/saint) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[22:54] * mgottschlag (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[22:54] * Dummy101 (~whatwhat@31.205.50.193) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:55] <ali1234> oq: oh that's cool
[22:56] * sandeepkr (~sandeepkr@43.231.58.214) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[22:57] * MuffinMedic (Evan@unaffiliated/muffinmedic) has joined #raspberrypi
[22:58] * sandeepkr (~sandeepkr@43.231.59.220) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:00] * uks (~uksio@p20030069AF7A12D3B0A134332FEBA862.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:03] * Encrypt (~Encrypt@AMontsouris-655-1-163-254.w92-151.abo.wanadoo.fr) Quit (Quit: Quit)
[23:03] * uksio (~uksio@p20030069AF7A12ABB0A134332FEBA862.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[23:04] * blackwind_123 (~IceChat9@117.192.128.182) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
[23:05] * netzfisch (~Thunderbi@x55b065e7.dyn.telefonica.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:06] * blackwind_123 (~IceChat9@117.192.128.125) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:07] * netzfisch (~Thunderbi@x55b065e7.dyn.telefonica.de) Quit (Client Quit)
[23:09] * teepee (~teepee@unaffiliated/teepee) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[23:13] * double-you (~id@ip5f5bfddb.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) Quit (Quit: double-you)
[23:14] * int3nz0r (~int3nz0r@541A8E1B.cm-5-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[23:14] * double-you (~id@ip5f5bfddb.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:15] * teepee (~teepee@unaffiliated/teepee) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:18] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:18] * norlevo (~foty@club4.phix.no) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[23:22] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[23:22] * NicoHood (~arch@ip5f5bebce.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has left #raspberrypi
[23:23] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:23] * TheSin (~TheSin@gateway.bluefalls.ca) Quit (Quit: Client exiting)
[23:23] * norlevo (~foty@unaffiliated/norlevo) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:27] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[23:31] * tonic (~t@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c381-75.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:31] * lopta (ball@99.95.107.157) Quit (Quit: leaving)
[23:32] * Guest68406 is now known as CrazEd
[23:32] * CrazEd is now known as Guest81277
[23:33] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:34] * EnrgySmth (d8eba101@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.235.161.1) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[23:35] * gugah (~gugah@181.28.97.148) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:35] * Travis (~Travis@unaffiliated/travis) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[23:38] * webturtle0 (~webturtle@69.174.185.34) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[23:39] * Viper168_ (~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:41] * Travis (~Travis@unaffiliated/travis) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:42] * Viper168 (~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[23:42] * Noldorin (~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin) Quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
[23:42] * hhmmm (~i@unaffiliated/humbag) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:42] <Travis> I am about through with my 7" screen. I have major issues using it. If Raspbian or Ubuntu MATE can be configured to work more like a tablet, then it might be ok.
[23:44] * Noldorin (~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:44] * Viper168_ is now known as Viper168
[23:46] * [Butch] (~butch@node-0011.srv.us-west.phantom.avira-vpn.net) Quit (Quit: I'm out . . .)
[23:47] <oq> lol good luck
[23:47] <Smeef> Travis: Which model 7" screen?
[23:48] * noraatepernos (~noraatepe@c-73-48-168-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: noraatepernos)
[23:48] * neops (~neops@ip-47.net-89-2-128.rev.numericable.fr) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:49] <Smeef> I've been able to configure a 5" resistive touch screen I got off eBay to work like a tablet. That is, portrait mode, with hold down stylus to right click, digitizer calibration, etc.
[23:49] <Smeef> 5" 800x480 HDMI hat
[23:50] <Travis> I have the Element14
[23:50] <oq> at least with a resistive screen you can use a stylus
[23:50] <Travis> I hate the fact, that most of the bottom of the screen isn't usable.
[23:50] <Travis> I can't see it.
[23:51] <Travis> For now, I removed it and put it in a traditional Pi3 case.
[23:52] * godlessfather (~godlessfa@unaffiliated/godlessfather) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:52] <Travis> That reminds me. My IRC bouncer is a Pi3 with zero heat sinks. It didn't come with any.
[23:52] <oq> don't worry about it travis, the soc is designed to go without heat sinks
[23:52] <hmoney> 1. heat sinks are cheap, 2. you really dont need heatsinks
[23:53] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:53] <Travis> I am liking the Pi3 over the Pi-B
[23:53] <Travis> I can run the internet connection via the wireless, instead of a wired connection.
[23:53] <Zardoz> and as a irc bouncer not really using any CPU
[23:53] <Smeef> I had to put a fan on my Pi Zero, it was getting up to 70 degrees, the tiny fan I used keeps it around 40 degrees now
[23:53] <Travis> Nope.
[23:53] <Travis> It's going great now. I am on it.
[23:54] <oq> Smeef: nothing wrong with 70C fyi
[23:54] <oq> if the SoC gets too hot it will throttle itself
[23:54] <oq> and that's more like the mid 80's
[23:54] <Smeef> oq, I wasn't really concerned about the Pi, but it's in a tight spot with a lot of hot glue and adhesives that could melt and/or get sticky and messy
[23:54] <Zardoz> think you need 80c before it starts to throttle.
[23:55] <Travis> brb. Getting the phone from the car.
[23:56] * defsdoor (~andy@cpc35-sutt4-2-0-cust184.19-1.cable.virginm.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:56] * wuseman (~wuziduzi@unaffiliated/wuseman) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:57] * s3nd1v0g1us (~weechat@unaffiliated/patr0clus) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:57] <Smeef> BTW, on an unrelated note, anyone know any good non-emulated games, on the same quality level as MineCraft Pi Edition, that I can install and run on a small 320x240 display?
[23:57] <oq> I don't really play games on my pi's sorry
[23:57] * codestorm (~codestorm@2605:e000:9196:e300:942f:3de4:5ba8:4fc0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[23:58] <Zardoz> quake 3 TA
[23:58] <Smeef> I also need SDR software that can work at low resolutions

These logs were automatically created by RaspberryPiBot on irc.freenode.net using the Java IRC LogBot.