#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-03-09

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[1:03] <ponA> Hi, i am trying to back up my newly installed RP1 which has a 16GB SD card, unfortunately i only have a 8GB SD card laying around, but it should work fine with the SD Carc Copier tool that comes with Jessie
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[1:04] <ShorTie> try rpi-clone
[1:04] <ponA> the SD Copier tool is stuck on "preparing partitions", is this normal?
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[1:06] <ponA> if preparing the partitions takes a while everything would be fine, there is just no timer that tells me how long the thing is going to take...
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[1:07] <ponA> also, rpi-clone does not work with NOOBS (which i used to install Jessie)
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[1:08] * ShorTie Thinkz, ya, noobs messes alot of things up
[1:09] <ShorTie> any perticular reason for using noobs ??
[1:09] <ponA> it was convenient
[1:09] <ponA> would probably not do it again, but now i am stuck with it
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[1:11] <ShorTie> personally, i`d cut my losses and start with a image, practice makes perfect
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[1:25] <nintendo3DS> I don't have "A7 I2C" in my raspi-config
[1:25] <nintendo3DS> it only goes up to A6
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[1:31] <Ofg> Hi all, after quick google search I didn't find exact answer to my question: Is it possible to use google maps offline on raspberry pi?
[1:31] <redrabbit> with android maybe
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[1:32] <Ofg> so I would need to have my phone somehow linked with rpi?
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[1:32] <BurtyB> nintendo3DS, I2C has moved to A5 (under Interfacing Options)
[1:33] <BurtyB> err P5 even
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[1:38] <HrdwrBoB> Ofg: no, running android on the pi
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[1:38] <HrdwrBoB> making it "a phone"
[1:39] <HrdwrBoB> or the same as a phone anyway
[1:39] <HrdwrBoB> depends what you're trying to achieve
[1:39] <HrdwrBoB> really you need to step back and give us your goal
[1:39] <HrdwrBoB> not the method
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[1:46] <Tachaway> the pi android ports tend to be incredibly slow, mostly due to Broadcom and their refusal to release the required information
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[2:33] <GreeningGalaxy> Anyone ever used NRF24L01+ with the RPi?
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[2:34] <IanTLopp> as I don't know what that is, I'd have to say no, I haven't
[2:35] <GreeningGalaxy> It's an RF chip designed for direct wireless communication between microcontrollers. Uses an SPI bus.
[2:36] <IanTLopp> neat!
[2:36] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah, it's cool, I've just never figured it out because it's complicated lol
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[2:36] <GreeningGalaxy> it has so many different operating states and power-up/down sequences
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[2:37] <IanTLopp> I've been rather mundane in my pi usage - emulation consoles, and next one is to operate octopi and my 3d printer.
[2:38] <IanTLopp> not sure where to go from there - I've got a few ideas, but nothing really fleshed out.
[2:38] <GreeningGalaxy> sounds like fun
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[2:39] <IanTLopp> if I were more... dunno... I'd love to get into robotics - it's sad that consumer robotics basically died with Sony's Aibo robots... what we have now is either just a shadow of it's former self, or it's a Nao (as a bare minimum - there's bigger and better out there, just
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[2:39] <IanTLopp> WAY more expensive)
[2:39] <IanTLopp> and the Nao is disgustingly expensive too.
[2:40] <GreeningGalaxy> The problem with consumer robotics is that it's hard to make them strong, safe, AND cheap.
[2:41] <GreeningGalaxy> and that's to say nothing of actually being good for what they're for.
[2:42] <IanTLopp> the aibo's had their own soccer league - that was actually pretty damn cool, and a pretty basic scripting and programming language to make it easy for consumers to learn how to create basic A.I.'s and animations, reactions, etc..
[2:42] <GreeningGalaxy> although that isn't stopping people from trying with self-driving cars...
[2:42] <GreeningGalaxy> cool
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[2:43] <IanTLopp> OH, I want self driving cars to be a thing
[2:44] <IanTLopp> SO bad... not only a thing, THE thing, and I want the Volkswagen XL1 to be released in the states, with self driving functionality built in, AND have the price drop from it's staggering $300,000 down to the MUCH more reasonable $60k- (based on projections IF they could have brought it to the states)
[2:45] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm not super convinced that they'll be as safe as people are saying. I think they're just the notoriously boastful tech industry going at it as usual, and it's just going to end in bad
[2:45] <IanTLopp> here's the kicker - they're already here - they're already FAR safer than we are... Elon refuses to release them mainstream until he can boast 10X safer tech than manual driving.
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[2:46] <IanTLopp> the big "problem" is the A.I. making decisions that CAN cause problems... i.e. the vehicle ahead of you just came to a complete stop and you need to either go to the left and hit a car with 4 people in it, or to the right and hit a pedestrian.
[2:47] <IanTLopp> even then, it's still safer, as the reaction time of a machine is dramatically better than a human, and will invariably apply brakes and turns faster than we could ever hope to, resulting in accidents (if any at all) that are far reduced of what manual driving would have produced.
[2:47] <IanTLopp> honestly, the biggest problem with designing the A.I. of self driving cars is that they have to take into account other cars that are NOT self-driving.. people cause the biggest problems with them.
[2:47] <GreeningGalaxy> I don't think manual driving will go away any time soon, and I think that will cause problems when people start using self-driving car proliferation as an excuse to take more risks (e.g. allow higher speed limits)
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[2:49] <oq> the thing with self driving cars is that if you do away with all the manual stuff like stop lights then they come so much more efficient
[2:49] <IanTLopp> the basic rules that need to stay in place: 1) ultimate culpability - there always needs to be a driver to take over. 2) until manual driving is dramatically reduced, or even outlawed (I doubt that'd ever happen), self driving needs to be relegated to the more open, less complex tasks, like long distance driving over interstates, not negotating potholes and the like.
[2:49] <GreeningGalaxy> right, i've seen horrifying simulations of intersections where the cars just weave through each other
[2:49] <IanTLopp> oq - yep..
[2:50] <IanTLopp> GreeningGalaxy, I've seen that with manual driving - it's called India (well a LOT of asian countries are guilty - but that's due to overpopulation and no living space)
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[2:50] <oq> well don't most people drive mopeds in india etc
[2:50] <oq> it's probably easier to weave
[2:50] <IanTLopp> but, right now, there are legal self-driving trucks on the road - they'll drive over the large expanses, and require the driver to take over when getting off interstates, and doing docking procedures and the like.
[2:51] <GreeningGalaxy> Okay, so what good is self-driving if there has to be a human sitting there at full attention, ready to take over at an instant's notice?
[2:51] <oq> GreeningGalaxy: humans are pretty crap at reacting
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[2:51] <IanTLopp> oq - oh no... most people drive whatever they hell they can get their hands on. Imagine 10,000 people an hour traversing a six lane highway and intersection, each driving between, buses, large and small cars, tractor-trailers, bikes, mopeds, rickshaws (both bike pedalled and human powered), and noone looks - they all use horns
[2:52] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah I guess that argument doesn't hold up, nevermind.
[2:52] <oq> if someone swerves infront of the truck the self driving algorithm will have quicker reactions 100% of the time
[2:52] <IanTLopp> GreeningGalaxy, it's for culpability's sake - that's one of the big problems. Who is at fault if a self driving car has an accident.
[2:52] <GreeningGalaxy> but I do think that people WILL take it as an excuse to pay no attention at all, and there will be consequences
[2:52] <oq> we really need a rail system like minority report
[2:53] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah we really do
[2:53] <oq> your car just adds on to the end of the "train"
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[2:54] <GreeningGalaxy> I'd settle for a nationwide high-speed electric rail system like China's got. That's some good infrastructure.
[2:54] <IanTLopp> yeesh
[2:54] <oq> s/china/japan
[2:54] <IanTLopp> GreeningGalaxy, Elon Musk is building the Hyperloop - but there are some interesting problems that people have speculated about.
[2:54] <GreeningGalaxy> No, China's is pretty good too. I was there over the winter, it was a well-running machine.
[2:54] <oq> isn't he building it in india though
[2:55] <IanTLopp> California
[2:55] <IanTLopp> there's also a test track in Nevada
[2:55] <Broly> you know things are bad when people are in the raspberrypi channel talking AI
[2:55] <Broly> dem stawx giga
[2:55] <Broly> DEM STAWX
[2:56] <IanTLopp> and what's wrong with discussion of AI?
[2:56] <Broly> easy to sound smart speakign about things on the periphery
[2:56] <Broly> always been that way
[2:56] <Broly> ya boi ELAWN is a perfect example
[2:56] <oq> Broly: this channel talks about whatever
[2:57] <Broly> first time i've seen something about this lol
[2:57] <IanTLopp> Broly, and speaking about dumb things is an improvement HOW?
[2:57] <Broly> coming from the guy who believes in self driving cars, lol
[2:57] <Broly> wonder how much of bloomberg's sucker paper you're holding
[2:58] <oq> believes in? they already exist
[2:58] <Broly> what exists
[2:58] <IanTLopp> Broly, you say that like your'e deriding someone for believing in ghosts. Self driving cars do exist - Google has plenty of them (of course their designs are limited to 25 miles per hour). Tesla has numerous models all with self driving functionality built in, and the first street legal self driving trucks have just entered the market and are actually moving product.
[2:58] <Broly> lol
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[2:58] <Broly> what is a self driving car? your definition can't simply be "it has smart software thus it's self driving and it exists"
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[2:59] <oq> a self driving car is in control of the vehicle, chooses when to make turns, when to stop, etc
[2:59] <Broly> a true self driving car wouldn't need any qualifications other than "self driving", which implies fully functional autonomous operation. otherwise it's not self driving
[2:59] <IanTLopp> Broly - by that definition Google has made numerous units.
[2:59] <Broly> it's sometimes self driving, and when it does, it is in a very controlled environment
[2:59] * IanTLopp rolls eyes
[3:00] <GreeningGalaxy> A self-driving car is a car that can make it from my house to your house without a person inside, without getting arrested.
[3:00] <Broly> i don't care about what your dumb google stock holding ass says tlopp this is my area of expertise. i've put my time in, i've published in good venues in my mid twenties
[3:00] <Broly> i know what i'm talking about
[3:00] <IanTLopp> and as per wikipedia, you are wrong
[3:00] <IanTLopp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_car
[3:00] <IanTLopp> An autonomous car (also known as a driverless car, auto,[1] self-driving car,[2] robotic car[3]) is a vehicle that is capable of sensing its environment and navigating without human input.[4]
[3:00] <Broly> oh and wikipedia is always right?
[3:00] <IanTLopp> it does not qualify it with ALL the time.
[3:00] <IanTLopp> and you are?
[3:00] <IanTLopp> I trust the sources provided in wikipedia over your own random chosen definition.
[3:00] <oq> Broly: wikipedia has sources you can verify
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[3:01] <IanTLopp> GreeningGalaxy, and no, that is one example of a self-driving car - which google HAS made, and numerous other auto manufacturers are waiting the legality to release.
[3:01] <Broly> one second
[3:02] <Broly> i am doing something i will answer in a bit her.e stupid muslim added the 'sir' title back to mo farah even though he's not a sir
[3:02] <Broly> they'll stop at nothing
[3:02] <oq> I do think it's better for society to focus on improving public transport than individual vehicles for personal use
[3:02] <Broly> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mo_Farah&type=revision&diff=766775353&oldid=766774185 as you can see here, which is one simple example of muslim fanatics skewing the truth, mo farah is not a 'sir'
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[3:02] <Broly> yet, he was called one because muslims wanted to believe it, and they put the title back even though the edit comment clearly shows why he is not a sir
[3:03] <GreeningGalaxy> How did we get from robotics to islamophobia that fast
[3:03] <oq> Broly: why isn't mo farah not a sir?
[3:03] <Broly> wikipedia can be good, yes, i agree, but it also has many situations like this one
[3:03] <Broly> because CBE don't have titles
[3:03] <Broly> Those who have been awarded CBEs, OBEs, and MBEs have no title but can put the letters after their names.
[3:03] <IanTLopp> Broly - it also provides sources that you can research yourself.
[3:03] <Broly> http://www.whereseric.com/the-vault/royal-honours/cbe-and-obe-royal-honours-bestowed-eric-clapton
[3:03] <oq> oh, sir as on CBE
[3:03] <Broly> and look, the editor provided a source and the muslim added it back
[3:04] <Broly> so your argument that the content on wikipedia is reliable and supports the concept of a fully autonomous vehicle is bunk
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[3:04] <oq> obviously wikipedia has some bias, but it has sources you can independently verify
[3:05] <oq> and base your own conclusions
[3:05] <Broly> you think people who have the education and skills to help put an autonmous vehicle on the road have time to edit wiki?
[3:05] <GreeningGalaxy> Broly: No. Even completely disregarding the argument at hand, you can't point out totally unrelated problems with a publication the size of Wikipedia and say that makes it unreliable for a completely different topic.
[3:05] <Broly> i'm making my own version of dd-wrt and it took the past two days to fix some "bugs" that weren't even lines of code
[3:06] <Broly> because large pieces of software that operate on machines like cars take time
[3:06] <oq> Broly: why not openwrt?
[3:06] <Broly> i like the dd-wrt interface better heh
[3:06] <oq> the interface is the least important part
[3:06] <Broly> no GreeningGalaxy it's a very common issue. there are people who have agendas and skew wikipedia to fit that agenda. AI is no different
[3:06] <oq> it's not AI
[3:06] <Broly> it's especially sexy and wikipedia is a perfect way to fool people because quite frankly, no one of the appropriate calibre is going to spend time arguing with people who hold stock & have crazy beliefs
[3:06] <oq> it's self driving cars
[3:07] <GreeningGalaxy> So this is the Radical Partisan Pro-AI Agenda showing up in the self-driving car page, eh?
[3:07] <oq> it's algorithms, not intelligence
[3:07] <Broly> reinforcement learning, unsupervised learning
[3:07] <Broly> all subsets of machine learning
[3:07] <IanTLopp> Broly: and it takes money and resources too - both of which major car manufacturers, and google have spent in spades. This is not in dispute. But for some reason you choose to say that because Wikipedia CAN be faulty, that no information gleaned from it, despite sources, and a bit of hardy research, can be reliable.
[3:07] <oq> machine learning != ai
[3:07] <Broly> machine learning is a subset of AI and probably the most prominent
[3:07] <oq> no ai currently exists
[3:08] <oq> how can something be a subset of something that doesn't exist
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[3:08] <IanTLopp> oq: wasn't arguing that - the use of the term AI was in the hobbyist field to describe the simulations created by Sony and the community to make robots simulate intelligence.
[3:08] <Broly> i am not sure how you were using the term. i was using it as a category
[3:09] <Broly> just like, say, physiology is a subset of biology
[3:09] <Broly> even though the former could be said to be the origin of the latter
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[3:09] <oq> ai is a concept, machine learning has a practical application
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[3:12] <Broly> sure
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[3:14] <Broly> IanTLopp for the sophisticated concepts that are said to be deployed in this idea you're talking about, i think it's more prone than usual because again, the expertise is quite demanding and thus it gives opportunity for sophisticated deception (a common practice in today's "free market")
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[3:15] <IanTLopp> Broly, that is very well stated. I do disagree that it necessarily must happen, though it is prone to, especially when one corporation does not wish to appear behind the times - but the tests shown by google show that the technology is available and functional.
[3:17] <Broly> i don't think it is. i think a lot of people who have stock in some of these companies honestly believe it to be. i believe the employees/bosses of said-companies also believe this, probably even more than their stock holders, and it can't be argued there is great pressure being put on municipalities by these people in order to make their stock pop
[3:18] <Broly> and let's face it, the first real announcement of an autonomous vehicle will pop dat stock and allow some people who've been holding for 10 years to get out
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[3:20] <Broly> The Bloomberg Way
[3:20] <Broly> freakin' loser midget
[3:21] <IanTLopp> Broly: that's not always true - again. Consider the Volkswagen XL1. tests showed it maintained a usable 260MPG, and yet no major media coverage - no release in the states at all.
[3:21] <Broly> same company that got c aught cheating on its emissions tests:?
[3:22] <Broly> same company that needs even more money than it did prior to getting caught?
[3:23] <IanTLopp> Broly: different issue, other companies, disrelated, tested said vehicle and achieved the 260MPG in standard usage
[3:23] <Broly> not really
[3:23] <l0rdkermit> even if true... oil companies have a vested interest in keeping vehicles like that off the road
[3:23] <Broly> hahahahahhahaa
[3:23] <Broly> no they don't
[3:23] <oq> Broly: why does it need money?
[3:23] <l0rdkermit> sure they do... if you use less gas... they make less money
[3:23] <Broly> werne't they a big part of nazi germany
[3:23] <Broly> ?
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[3:24] <oq> the volkswagon group owns.. audi, lamborghini, bently, bugatti, ducati, seat, skoda
[3:24] <oq> they have plenty of money
[3:24] <Broly> you are aware that ww2 reparations were not paid properly, right? the unspoken angle of ww2 is how it allowed germany to get out of its bills by creating an internal debt denomination system that enabled industralisation of its national economy, which i believe VW was a part of
[3:24] <IanTLopp> Broly: yes/no... I honestly can't comment much on Volkswagen's specific interests in Nazi Germany, but I can say that Coca-Cola and IBM both funneled HUGE amounts of money into Nazi Germany, through Fanta, and, in IBM's case, just straight up IBM.
[3:24] <Broly> swapping or holding debt doesn't mean you have money
[3:25] <oq> Broly: reparations for wwi is part of the reason for wwii.....
[3:25] <Broly> yeah i heard about IBM and the punch cards IanTLopp
[3:25] <Broly> that was messed up
[3:25] <Broly> correct oq i'm sorry
[3:25] <Broly> thanks for catching that
[3:25] <IanTLopp> and when Coca-Cola's interested were harmed with their Germanic support, they opted to just create a new company - Fanta, and continue as if nothing was wrong.
[3:26] <Broly> that's the name of the game
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[3:26] <oq> fanta isn't a separate company, it's just a line of orange flavoured drinks
[3:26] <IanTLopp> interests, rather... so I think Volkswagen's part in WWII is less material to whether or not they succeeded where they claimed with the XL1 (and as per claim vs. reality - they stated it got 300MPG while tests showed 260 reliably)
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[3:26] <Broly> there are a lot of companies that are still around that have no business being around
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[3:27] <IanTLopp> oq: fanta was a wholly owned and operated by Coca-Cola company, used to distribute Coke products in Germany, using german resources, during WWII. It migrated over time, to being a fruit flavored soda company - again, still wholly owned by Coca Cola
[3:27] <Broly> vw is just one. they experienced a popularity surge in the past 15 years. i know young hipsters currently in their 20s were like WHOA YEAH MAN PEACE AND LOVE MAN. VW
[3:27] <Broly> lots of them got pwnt with the emissions fiasco
[3:27] <oq> IanTLopp: is there anything wrong with that?
[3:27] <Broly> which you could look at as some machine learning, as there is an internal regulator for the emissions which are read by a sensor
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[3:28] <IanTLopp> oq: no more or less so than IBM and Volkswagen's involvement in Nazi Germany.
[3:28] <oq> international countries like coca cola are supposed to be country agnostic
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[3:28] <IanTLopp> I doubt IBM directly created the punchcards FOR counting and cataloguing the jewish population, but, it was used that way.
[3:28] <oq> *companies like
[3:28] <Broly> you have to give rothschild some credit though. i want to know what deal he made
[3:29] <Broly> he essentially united the world against britain
[3:29] <Broly> must have been quite the speech
[3:29] <l0rdkermit> little cash greasing the wheels doesn't hurt either ;)
[3:29] <oq> nestle murdered babies in africa but we still buy their products
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[3:30] <BurtyB> hmm did I join #notraspberrypitalk by accident?
[3:30] <Broly> well i mean he had his own fires that we had to put out. india was a good example. company rule was a chore. i know that my people benefitted but we were the only ones because muslims and hindus were often harassing us (most of our villages were situated along the indus)
[3:30] <IanTLopp> which is nothing to say of the diamond trade, or the fact that our phones, computers, and really most electronics are made for less than $.50 a day wage by every age group
[3:30] <oq> BurtyB: it's Broly's fault
[3:30] <Broly> for him to unite with the dutch, who had their own east india company, and others
[3:30] <l0rdkermit> BurtyB... naw... they just way off topic ;)
[3:30] <Broly> i just want to know what he said or how he did it. he did a great job
[3:31] <Broly> even the ottomans were seen in a better light as of even a few months ago
[3:31] <oq> the ottomans don't exist anymore?
[3:31] <l0rdkermit> ^
[3:31] <Broly> lol
[3:31] <IanTLopp> Broly: on a slightly related note - how screwed up is it that an englishman (Ben Kingsley) portrayed Gandhi in the film adaptation, a man whose entire life was devoted to freeing India from the British?
[3:31] <Broly> i wonder if he was pro thatcher
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[3:31] <IanTLopp> who? Gandhi or Kingsley?
[3:32] <Broly> kingsley
[3:32] <Broly> thatcher is a sellout too
[3:32] <IanTLopp> I doubt he has any proclivities either way
[3:32] <oq> lol kingsley wasn't even born yet when india was under the british empires control
[3:32] <Broly> and gandhi, well, his family or whatever yo uwanna call it, have done enough to my people
[3:32] <IanTLopp> he's an actor, and honestly, having seen him off stage, he's not a particularly intellectual one.
[3:32] <IanTLopp> your people?
[3:32] <IanTLopp> I take it you're british?
[3:33] <Broly> not quite yet
[3:33] <Broly> we have to earn that after the partition in 47
[3:33] <IanTLopp> wait, what?
[3:33] <Broly> or 50 something
[3:33] <oq> Broly: irish?
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[3:33] <Broly> my grandfather was
[3:33] <Broly> my dad was not he was born in 54
[3:33] <Broly> we're from the cis sutlej states. a chunk of india that was forced into the whole because of rothschild
[3:33] <Broly> we got to work with some all time greats. like viscount gerard lake
[3:34] <IanTLopp> ahh... well a good deal of your blame lies in the British having to have an empire.
[3:34] <BurtyB> night random talkers.. I'll be back when we're talking british pie week or Rpi :)
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[3:34] <Broly> we actually panned out, contrary to what "white people" thought would happen at the time. it was a big risk
[3:34] <IanTLopp> BurtyB: I'm fully interested in chatting RPi
[3:34] <Broly> coloured people and all
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[4:06] <jaziz> Is it possible to set up an email server on my pi3?
[4:07] <cromulent> possibly but I think the bigger concern is that many ISPs will block it
[4:07] <jaziz> agh
[4:07] <oq> jaziz: yes.. but... email servers are a pain in the bum
[4:07] <jaziz> AGH, Cox blocks port 25
[4:08] <jaziz> nevermind, it's hopeless
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[4:08] <ball> jaziz: Inbound?
[4:08] <oq> jaziz: what's wrong with paying google etc to host your email for you?
[4:08] <jaziz> ball, I'm not sure
[4:09] <jaziz> oq, well
[4:09] <jaziz> the thing is
[4:09] <jaziz> The Habit gives free burgers this month
[4:09] <jaziz> and I need unique emails
[4:09] <jaziz> many unique emails
[4:09] <oq> O.o
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[4:09] <ball> So you want to cheat in a competition?
[4:09] <jaziz> nono
[4:09] <jaziz> I already succeeded
[4:09] <ball> I'm glad you can't.
[4:09] <ball> hello n4no`
[4:09] <jaziz> I made something earlier
[4:10] <jaziz> google ignores periods in their emails, but the website registered them as unique
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[4:10] <jaziz> so the thing I made got my friends and I 2^n-1 coupons where n was length of username before @
[4:10] <jaziz> And each "unique" email incremented birthday by 1
[4:11] <jaziz> (free ice cream on birthday)
[4:11] <ball> jaziz: Ah, so theft is your objective.
[4:11] <jaziz> well
[4:11] <oq> jaziz: dude when you go in the store and ask for your free birthday icecream they'll just ask to see your id
[4:11] <jaziz> I wouldn't say thaaaat
[4:11] <jaziz> oq, they send you coupons through email
[4:12] <ball> I'm pretty sure that qualifies. Besides, you'll get fat.
[4:12] <jaziz> We got like 4k+ coupons probably in total
[4:12] <ball> (like me)
[4:12] <jaziz> but the thing is, they found out
[4:12] <jaziz> and updated their site so periods aren't unique on gmail anymore
[4:12] <oq> people like you are why those companies stop offering those promotions
[4:12] <ball> Honesty is the best policy.
[4:12] <jaziz> I mean I don't need the burgers
[4:12] <jaziz> I already have more than enough for the time that the promo is active
[4:13] <jaziz> it's just at this point it's a competition
[4:13] <jaziz> I won't be *using* the coupons
[4:13] <oq> uhuh
[4:13] <jaziz> I'll use 40 at most
[4:13] <jaziz> same with my friends
[4:13] <jaziz> and that is why I need an email server
[4:13] <d0rm0us3> jaziz, that approach could be considered an attack.
[4:13] <oq> "I won't be using the coupons", "I'll use 40"
[4:14] * ball waits patiently for the gavvers to show up on jaziz' doorstep.
[4:14] <jaziz> well, all of them ,anyway
[4:14] <jaziz> ball, yikes
[4:14] <jaziz> that wouldn't be fun
[4:14] <oq> jaziz: google gsuite (formally known as google apps) has catch-all email support
[4:14] <jaziz> wait, is what I'm doing illegal?
[4:14] <oq> yes its fraud
[4:15] <jaziz> HM.
[4:15] <jaziz> well that's not good, is it
[4:15] <jaziz> Also this is 90% for educational purposes
[4:15] <oq> people claim the same about "pentesting"
[4:16] <oq> but they still use the tools to hack their neighbours wifi network
[4:16] <jaziz> but if they don't do anything devious with it, is it that bad?
[4:16] <d0rm0us3> Yes... it's called 'theft of service'
[4:16] <ball> You're not pentesting unless you have a letter from the CIO and CEO granting you permission.
[4:16] <oq> the judge may take intent into account during your sentencing
[4:16] <jaziz> yikes
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[4:17] <jaziz> well I bought this pi a while ago to do some projects
[4:17] <oq> you better microwave it
[4:17] <oq> to be sure
[4:17] <jaziz> but I had no idea what to do with it and now it's just sitting there
[4:17] <jaziz> hahaha
[4:17] <oq> no evidence
[4:18] <jaziz> well I haven't used it yeeet
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[4:18] <jaziz> but perhaps it isn't a good idea to continue this endeavor
[4:18] <jaziz> as you guys say
[4:18] <jaziz> legalities and what have ye
[4:19] <jaziz> if they updated their site, it means they're aware
[4:19] <jaziz> come to think of it
[4:19] <jaziz> it would be pretty darn easy to catch us
[4:19] <jaziz> list of coupons sent to particular emails
[4:19] <jaziz> wait for coupons to be scanned
[4:19] <jaziz> boom
[4:20] <jaziz> or maybe they don't care so much
[4:20] <oq> they'll probably just invalid the barcode on their system
[4:20] <jaziz> oh, good
[4:21] <jaziz> I'm just a poor starving college student, after all
[4:21] <ball> (and then send the rozzers round ;-)
[4:21] <ball> Not that starving, from the sound of things.
[4:21] <jaziz> hahaha
[4:21] <jaziz> I was having fun with it, though
[4:21] <jaziz> it was my first real useful project
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[4:23] <jaziz> oh wait
[4:24] <jaziz> I don't *need* port 25
[4:24] <jaziz> the emails are not outgoing
[4:24] <jaziz> silly meee
[4:24] <jaziz> so how do I go about this
[4:25] * ball goes back to searching for a particular screwdriver bit
[4:25] <jaziz> heheh
[4:26] <jaziz> all of a sudden this channel got less helpful!
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[4:27] <oq> jaziz: there's a bazillion tutorials to setup an email server on debian
[4:27] <oq> they'll apply to raspbian
[4:27] <jaziz> alrighty
[4:30] <jaziz> Also would it be very hard, do you think
[4:30] <oq> no
[4:30] <oq> it's mostly apt-get
[4:30] <jaziz> to make a wirelessly controlled lock?
[4:30] <jaziz> heh
[4:30] <jaziz> I need to stop typing in fragments
[4:30] <jaziz> that was my original project idea when buying this thing
[4:30] <oq> people setup email servers all the time on debian vps's
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[4:31] <jaziz> I wanted to do a home automation project with raspberry pi and arduinos
[4:31] <jaziz> starting with front door lock
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[6:35] <Sapio> I thought of automatic the front door lock, but that's tricky if you want to DIY. I would recommend an electric strike.
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[6:36] <Sapio> If it fails, you can still unlock the lock with a normal key. Same can't be said if the front door lock jams or fails.
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[6:37] <Sapio> jaziz1, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DVbgEzc2uk
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[6:42] <subvhome_> just installed the latest build from raspberrypi.org on a rpi3.. im having a problem connecting via ssh. username pi and password is raspberry... but it promts password 3 times then it prompts for pi@IP password 2 times then disconnects.. all i did was flash the image and apt-get update
[6:42] <subvhome_> this would be somewhere in the 100 times i setup a raspbian box.. never had a problem
[6:42] <subvhome_> any ideas?
[6:43] <leftyfb> subvhome_: ssh is not enabled by default
[6:44] <subvhome_> leftyfb: hmm.. maybe i got the wrong ip address
[6:44] <leftyfb> yup
[6:44] <leftyfb> because you shouldn't even be getting prompted for a user/password
[6:45] <leftyfb> you should get connection refused
[6:45] <leftyfb> until you enable ssh
[6:45] <subvhome_> let me check my dhcp server.. you are right .. now that i remember. crap. i have some work to do on this pi and it is back at work
[6:45] <subvhome_> ;/
[6:45] <oq> subvhome_: put an empty file called ssh in the fat32 partition and you can ssh in right away
[6:46] <subvhome_> neat... never knew that one.
[6:46] <oq> its so headless setup still works
[6:46] <oq> you can also put a wpa_supplicant.conf in there too
[6:46] <subvhome_> hmm. wonder if my rpi zero would do the trick.. i have on of those one me..
[6:47] <subvhome_> i need it to display a webpage.. static.. no moving parts... 24/7 on a screen. html is basic.. just a table with static information
[6:47] <oq> so, kiosk mode
[6:47] <oq> plenty of ways to implement that
[6:47] <HrdwrBoB> subvhome_: look at info beamer
[6:47] <oq> there's even a prebuilt os for it
[6:48] <subvhome_> yea.. done a few of those.. but pretty graphic heavy... this one is just plain text.. i think a zero should be able to handle it
[6:48] <subvhome_> pageos or something like that.. i've made a few of those. pretty solid..
[6:48] <leftyfb> subvhome_: screenly or fullpageos
[6:49] <subvhome_> oh well.. i guess it will have to wait.. i dont have any pi's on me :( was hoping on not going to work for the rest of the week.
[6:49] <HrdwrBoB> yeah but my point is info beamer is accelerated
[6:49] <subvhome_> HrdwrBoB: what is info beamer?
[6:49] <HrdwrBoB> so will work on a pi1/zero
[6:49] <subvhome_> ill research that.. i have a pi1
[6:51] <subvhome_> HrdwrBoB: ::high five::
[6:51] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[6:51] <HrdwrBoB> I nearly used it for my gauge system in the car
[6:52] <HrdwrBoB> but I decided I might want interactivity
[6:52] <HrdwrBoB> and I needed it more flexible
[6:52] <HrdwrBoB> so I ended up with a pi3 and a pygame interface
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[6:52] <subvhome_> can't wait to use this for my next few projects. i've made a few digisigns for conferences before.. parsing data with php and posting it to a screen for conferences.. i like the idea of cutting the price :)
[6:54] <HrdwrBoB> yep :)
[6:55] <subvhome_> i need to read a bit on that infobeamer looks like i might need to learn a few native coding.
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[6:56] <subvhome_> i think i have the ip address of the pi.. nothing i can do right remotely.. to access it ?? .. ;[
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[6:56] <subvhome_> i suppose that would be insecure.. i guess ill go to the office later this evening when wifey comes home from work.. good thing the office is a block away
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[6:59] <subvhome_> this implementation is for a hotel. apparently their blueray player that displays the channel listing on channel 0 had died.. since i created a few of their signages ... they asked me if i could do the same and replace the blueray player.. of course the pi can.. duh :).. problem is it uses composite video.. so not sure if i will utilize a rpi1 with the big connector.. or get an adapter for the audio jack connect
[6:59] <subvhome_> or.
[6:59] <HrdwrBoB> oh
[6:59] <HrdwrBoB> perfect
[7:03] <subvhome_> god im loving what im reading on info beamer..
[7:04] <leftyfb> yeah, i've been running screenly 24/7 for over a year now and think I might replace it with info beamer .. lots of pi things to work on tomorrow
[7:05] <leftyfb> gotta get ROS loaded onto Ubuntu on a pi as well
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[7:05] <leftyfb> and get my pi0w loaded up and running or custom opencv python script to stream the pi camera to an 800 LED board also running from a pi :)
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[7:21] <ponA> hey guys, i want to simplify my shell script and i would like to read a line of a file, then do something, then read the next line and do something other
[7:22] <ponA> so basically open file, read line, do something, read line, do something, close file
[7:22] <ponA> how do i do this the easy/elegant way?
[7:26] <Drzacek> ponA, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4642191/read-line-by-line-in-bash-script
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[7:27] <ponA> well, while executes the same code every line (echo), i want to do different things for line 1 and 2
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[7:28] <ponA> or did i not read it fully? let me check again, i think i read that already
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[7:29] <oq> ponA: the "while" bit is a loop
[7:30] <oq> just add an incrementer inside and an if statement
[7:30] <Drzacek> well, I myself do something similar in c++ program using readline, then scan for some flags and then do something based on those flags
[7:30] <ponA> i do it on my arduino with readline, too
[7:31] <ponA> i could use an incrementing variable, but it kind of bugs me, i dont know why...
[7:31] <ponA> maybe seems unnessessary
[7:32] <ponA> *necessarry :/
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[7:40] <ponA> that while loop thing really complicates my code :(
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[7:43] <ponA> so far i used cat file but that is really slow
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[7:45] <ponA> my problem is, that the things i need to do with line 2 of the file depends on line 1 of the file
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[7:52] <immibis> ponA: cat file | (read line; do stuff; read line; do other stuff;)
[7:52] <immibis> (actually without the last ; )
[7:53] <immibis> you don't have to put the read command in a while loop if you don't want to
[7:56] <immibis> whenever you use "read" it reads the next line that hasn't been read yet
[7:59] <ponA> ahh, okay
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[8:05] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/gxIRo on the topic of motion detection for r-pi
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[11:25] <computer2000> hey, can anyone recommend another single board computer up to $200 that supports Linux and USB 3.0 ?
[11:26] <computer2000> we were looking at UpBoard (www.up-board.org) but USB 3.0 seems broken there
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[11:27] <BurtyB> computer2000, odroid-xu4?
[11:28] <computer2000> BurtyB: thx never heard about it
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[11:56] <plugwash> computer2000, if intel-based is ok I would also consider the minnowboard max/turbot
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[12:22] <RoyK> some time back, I read about a new browser to get video running well - the last raspbian has chromium as the default - does video work well with this now?
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[12:42] <wonderer> hi all
[12:43] <wonderer> like to reduce the disk size on the sd cardž
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[12:43] <eurodata> hi
[12:43] <wonderer> is this possible on raspberripi3?
[12:43] <Sonny_Jim> wonderer: Your question isn't clear
[12:43] <Sonny_Jim> You want to reduce the amount of disk usage by Rasbian?
[12:43] <eurodata> is there a command I can run to initate the display, to check if a monitor is connected and start to display picture on that?
[12:43] <Sonny_Jim> eurodata: startx is the normal way to start the desktop
[12:44] <ShorTie> reducing is not easy
[12:44] <eurodata> Sonny_Jim: yeah, I know in this case that the desktop (by that you mean gui) is running
[12:45] <eurodata> so this command will just check if a monitor is connected and then display the picture?
[12:45] <Sonny_Jim> No
[12:45] <wonderer> reason i wna tto reduce space used on sb by pi
[12:46] <Sonny_Jim> wonderer: Then consider installing rasbian lite
[12:46] <wonderer> is to backup the sd card and loaded it on an identiall
[12:46] <Sonny_Jim> eurodata: No, that command will start the desktop
[12:46] <wonderer> identical sized card
[12:46] <eurodata> Sonny_Jim: that I have done, maybe : tvservice -s
[12:47] <ShorTie> wonderer, maybe look at rpi-clone
[12:47] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, no manpage for tvservice. Bad tvservice
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[12:47] <ShorTie> did you start with noobs or an image ??
[12:47] <Sonny_Jim> eurodata: The problem with that command is that it reports NTSC output on mine, which actually isn't connected to anything
[12:47] <wonderer> ShorTie i use Win32DiskImager
[12:47] <Sonny_Jim> Oh right
[12:48] <eurodata> Sonny_Jim: ok
[12:48] <Sonny_Jim> So the *actual* question is, how do I reduce the size of my SD image backup?
[12:48] <Sonny_Jim> eurodata: Also, I'm not sure what the behaviour would be with a TV that's turned off and in standby mode, versus a TV that's on
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[12:49] <Sonny_Jim> It's certainly possible to use CEC to ask the TV what state it's in
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[12:49] <eurodata> yes, I just want a command for polling for a display present
[12:49] <eurodata> so when it is on afterwards the display will show a picture
[12:49] <Sonny_Jim> eurodata: HDMI or any connection?
[12:49] <eurodata> hdmi only
[12:49] <Sonny_Jim> Makes it a bit easier
[12:50] <Sonny_Jim> Then maybe you could hack together something with tvservice, bash, grep and fbview
[12:50] <Sonny_Jim> (fbview to show the picture)
[12:50] <Sonny_Jim> Have a look at cec-client
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[12:50] <eurodata> Sonny_Jim: just setting up an auto video player with a shellscript containing omxplayer, I just want to make sure, that if in a case where the monitor is turned on afterwards, there would be run a command checking for a display connected
[12:51] <eurodata> ok, fbview i will try that
[12:51] <Sonny_Jim> Ah, so you want to display video now?
[12:51] <eurodata> Sonny_Jim: kind of\
[12:51] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
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[12:52] <Sonny_Jim> I'm not sure what the behaviour of omxplayer would be if it was started without a monitor attached, then have a monitor attached duringp playback
[12:53] <eurodata> I will try the -o hdmi optin
[12:53] <eurodata> maybe it works
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[13:14] <Silvetti> Hey guys! Anyone able to run transmission (or any other torrent daemon for the matter) in a Raspberry Pi3 ? I get constant drops in speed to 0 no matter how I set it up (straight to SD card, to USB2, USB3, external powered HDD), tried also build from scratch with only added package being transmission-daemon
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[13:32] <Paraxial> Silvetti, the issue doesn't present itself on other machines on your network does it? // before you head down the rabbit hole
[13:33] <Silvetti> No it doesn't, raspberry only :(
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[13:35] * ShorTie Thinkz, To many legal liabilities in helping with setting up a torrent thingy
[13:36] <n4no`> lol
[13:36] <Silvetti> ?
[13:36] <Silvetti> So I can't download os distros via torrents ?
[13:36] <Silvetti> What liabilities are you talking about ?
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[13:37] <n4no`> You can... but expect ISPs to start falsely accusing you of pirating because of the IPs that are seeding those distros
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[13:40] <Silvetti> Ok, let me change my question then: why when using wget file.iso I get freezes for points of second
[13:40] <Silvetti> as if IO is not coping with the writing ?
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[13:41] <ScrumpyJack> afternoon. what do people do for line in on an RPi?
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[13:41] <n4no`> On a raspi? Using micro sd I assume?
[13:42] <Silvetti> Yes
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[13:42] <Silvetti> Same issue writing to USB2/3/external hard drive
[13:42] <Silvetti> BUS should be 480Mbps as far as I know so don't understand why it's constantly staggering
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[13:42] <Silvetti> Like emptying cache or something
[13:42] <n4no`> Yeah, I get the same hiccups from time to time, not sure if its a cache issue or something
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[13:43] <n4no`> Is the raspi getting its full allotted power input?
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[13:44] <brainzap> I think the raspberian image has good settings to avoid this, what OS are you using?
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[13:44] <Silvetti> 2.5amp power
[13:44] <Silvetti> raspbian
[13:44] <Silvetti> standard one from noobs
[13:44] <Silvetti> I also updated to latest kernel
[13:45] <Silvetti> same issue
[13:45] <Silvetti> 4.9 instead of the 4.5x that comes default
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[13:46] <brainzap> You raspberry pi has shared ram for network, you should limit the amount of connections
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[13:47] <brainzap> there is a better explanation out there but my google is weak atm
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[13:53] <GrandPa-G> I have a python program (could be anything) that runs in rc.local. For a certion GPIO condition, I don't want the normal GUI to start, or at least not start until the program is ready. Is there an easy way to do this?
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[14:01] <ShorTie> raspi-config can stop the gui from loading
[14:03] <Silvetti> brainzap: will check that
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[14:03] <scottjl> oin #ubuntu
[14:03] <scottjl> oops. missed
[14:04] <GrandPa-G> notice I want this to be something that is programitcally controlled and variable depending on condition detected in program.
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[14:40] <brainzap> I had a problem with making a DD backup from an SD card. Is there another way to bring the system from one SD to another?
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[14:42] <gordonDrogon> brainzap, you could use rsync ..
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[14:42] <brainzap> Over SSH or do I have to mount both?
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> rsync can use ssh.
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> so if you have a Linux box with SD card slot, just put the working Pi SD into it, mount it, rsync to copy it to a directory on the PC, then put a new SD in, partition & format (which you'll need to do unless it's already done), mount it and rsync it over..
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[14:44] <gordonDrogon> you'll need to do both the /boot and / partitions.
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> it's generally faster than dd, but it needs some more knowledge
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[14:46] <swensson> Anyone know why the rpi's led keep blinking after boot?
[14:47] <BurtyB> swensson, either activity on the sd or power issues depending on which led
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> swensson, red is low power, green is SD card access.
[14:47] <swensson> it's the red one... Ok I'll try to change the power supply
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> actually low voltage, but it amounts to the same thing..
[14:48] <swensson> I think I've short circuit something, my nrf24l01+ just stopped working.. Is it possible I broke the rpi? :O
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> depends on the pins its connected to.
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> try unplugging it and see if the Pi seems OK.
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[14:51] <swensson> Changing the power supply made the red light stop blinking, now the gren light is blinking, a few times really really little and then 1 strong bright
[14:53] <swensson> radio still seems broken ;/
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[14:53] <gordonDrogon> looks like you got away with it on the Pi side of things then.
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[14:55] <GrandPa-G> brainzap: Do you have access to windows desktop? If so, I use a program called Win32DiskImage that works great. I make duplicate sd cards for a number of pi boxes from one master. Also simple way to make full backup.
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[14:56] <swensson> Ah to bad, I rather went to the store and bought a new rpi than waiting 20+ days for the new radio module to arrive-.-
[14:57] <swensson> Is a RPI zero slower than a RPI 2B?
[14:58] <computer2000> Which is the most powerful single board computer out there for under $200 with USB 3.0 and Linux support?
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> swensson, yes. Pi 0: one core, 1GHz, Pi 2: 4 cores, 1GHz, newer architecture.
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> computer2000, you mean there are SBCs other than the Raspberry Pi? wow ...
[15:00] <swensson> oh that's alot... Is there any rpi model that's smaller in size with the same speed as a newer one?
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[15:00] <gordonDrogon> swensson, there are just 2 Pi board sizes - Pi zero and all others.
[15:00] <computer2000> gordonDrogon: yes, there's a universe when you cross the horizon...
[15:00] <RoBo_V> How to stream IP camera over web interface or any open source app.
[15:01] <swensson> ah okey, thanks for the info gordonDrogon :)
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[15:01] <gordonDrogon> computer2000, indeed - however asking that in #raspberrypi might not get you a broad spectrum of results ...
[15:01] <computer2000> gordonDrogon: that's sad
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> not really.
[15:02] <computer2000> gordonDrogon: you're never sad?
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[15:05] <gordonDrogon> feeling sad and being sad at a situation are two completely different things. I do not think it's sad that #raspberrypi knows about other SBCs. Afterall, this is #raspberrypi and not #randomsbcchannel
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[15:07] <redrabbit> computer2000: single board computer under 200
[15:07] <redrabbit> might as well get some x64 hardware
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[15:08] <computer2000> gordonDrogon: ok thanks I'll go ask in #randomsbcchannel then. You're great man
[15:08] <sd-m> ##microcontrolers and ##avr might know something
[15:08] <redrabbit> its not gonna be single board since you have to add ram
[15:08] <redrabbit> but they have the rest included
[15:08] <sd-m> not sure about the double ##
[15:08] <computer2000> sd-m: thanks
[15:08] <redrabbit> orange pi has high end stuff too
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[15:09] <sd-m> though in avr you might get ofcourse specific avr chips
[15:09] <redrabbit> theres the asus tinker board
[15:09] <redrabbit> i wish you good luck with hardware support
[15:09] <redrabbit> id rather get something like that http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/QC5000-ITXPh/
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[15:10] <redrabbit> that's what i got for my nas
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[15:10] <redrabbit> no mess whatshowever with drivers, hardware support
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> of-course you can always google, or otherwise search... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers#I.2FO_interfaces_and_ports
[15:10] <redrabbit> you can use any system
[15:11] <redrabbit> but then there is the form factor as well
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> Looks like there are 8 choices for usb3.
[15:11] <redrabbit> is there some usb 3 that makes sense
[15:11] <redrabbit> like, you can use the actual speed
[15:12] <redrabbit> or is it just marketing
[15:13] <redrabbit> never heard of the usb3 boards exepts the odroid s
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[15:21] <computer2000> gordonDrogon: thanks for the good advise about Google - hadn't thought about that. Actually never heard about Google before :-/
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[15:28] <Drzacek> computer2000, not sure if just trying to be funny or are you actually mean. Either way - stop
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[15:28] <computer2000> Drzacek: ok.
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[15:31] <Drzacek> computer2000, you can also ask in #hardware, general channel for all pc hardware-related questions
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[15:52] <brainzap> Why can I not use hostname in the browser and sometimes I can
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[15:53] <brainzap> Is this because on windows a service keeps track of the hostnames?
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[15:53] <gordonDrogon> are you talking about hosts on your LAN or the other side of your router?
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[15:54] <brainzap> host in lan, no mdns, just hostname
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[15:54] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's all horrible.
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[15:55] <gordonDrogon> most devices will broadcast their name via e.g. dhcp to the dhcp server or something like avahi to anything in-general.
[15:56] <brainzap> if I wanted http://hostname to work what would I have to do (aside from mdns, /etc/hosts)
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> I think Windows PCs listens for the avahi thing.
[15:56] <brainzap> no, they dont
[15:56] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, you need to install it
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> avahi is on the Pi by default.
[15:56] <BurtyB> but not on windows
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> oh? oh well.
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> routers dns via dhcp maybe..
[15:57] <brainzap> I think windows pc still have NetBIOS on
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> I run my own dns servers so this sort of thing is a bit alien to me.
[15:58] <BurtyB> brainzap, to use that you'd need nmb(samba) running on the Pi
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[15:59] <gordonDrogon> I always remove avahi as I don't need it.
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[16:14] <brainzap> but there are no routers that magically start a DNS server and keep track of the network devices?
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[16:14] <brainzap> *consumer routers
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> really?
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> thought they all did these days.
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[16:16] <brainzap> I guess I have to get more samples
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[16:22] <oq> grrr, pimoroni restock the zero lipo mere hours after I paid more for one off ebay
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[16:36] <petn-randall> Can someone recommend some okay-ish, cheap USB webcams for a RPi3? I'm working on a timelapse project, and need some cheap cameras that can take usable closeups under LED light.
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> Why USB, not pi?
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[16:41] <petn-randall> SpeedEvil: I've got 4 USB ports, but only one connector for the Pi camera.
[16:41] <petn-randall> AFAIK, that is.
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> The 4 USB ports are also shared, they are connected to one hub along with the wired ethernet
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> ^to one port along
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> This might not be an issue for stills - it is really annoying for streaming.
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> I failed to get 4 cameras to play on my desktop at all.
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[16:43] <SpeedEvil> What sort of timelapse?
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[16:44] <cousteau> o/
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> IP cams are also getting quite cheap
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[16:45] <SpeedEvil> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1280-720P-1-0MP-Bullet-IP-Camera-IR-Outdoor-Security-ONVIF-2-0-Waterproof-Night-Vision/32225491510.html
[16:45] <cousteau> I know that RPi is not really meant as an Arduino, but... does it have PWM outputs?
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> DO NOT EXPOSE THIS TO THE INTERNET, IT IS VULNERABLE TO THE MIRAI WORM
[16:45] <cousteau> (hardware-backed)
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> cousteau: the audio otuptus are PWM, you can also do DMA based GPIO
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> which can effectively do PWM quite well
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> https://pythonhosted.org/RPIO/pwm_py.html
[16:46] <cousteau> I see, that basically means "program a sequence to put on the GPIO", right?
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> yes
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> But the software is there to make it simple
[16:46] <cousteau> cool :)
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[16:48] <petn-randall> SpeedEvil: I plan on taking picture of plants from different angles as they grow. I also plan on soldering some LEDs together to illuminate the plant on every picture.
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[16:57] <SpeedEvil> The above sort of camera supports snap, which makes that very easy Just get http://192.168.1.10/webcapture.jpg?command=snap&channel=1 and out pops a jpeg
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[16:58] <SpeedEvil> If you have good light, then pretty much any camera will work reasonably
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[16:59] <brainzap> Where can I buy chinese raspberry pi bootlegs?
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[17:00] <petn-randall> brainzap: banana pi?
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[17:02] <oq> brainzap: chinese sites like aliexpress probably have them
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[17:06] <SpeedEvil> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/Orange-PI-Zero/1553371_510589665.html?spm=2114.12010608.0.0.2BH4LS - for example
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> they are not software compatible with the Pi of course - stuff will need seperately compiled for the,
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> m
[17:07] <oq> I would like one of the red pi's though
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> On the other hand, you can order 5000.
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[17:17] <ThinkingofPython> Hi guys.
[17:18] <ThinkingofPython> So, I havent used my Pi2 in about 1.5 years.
[17:18] <ThinkingofPython> Last I used it, it was fine.
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[17:18] <ThinkingofPython> So today, I turned it on, and it only shows a green and red LED and no image on the TV. Additionally, the 16GB card inside, only shows 814MB on Windows.
[17:19] <ThinkingofPython> So I tried SDFormatter and EaseUS, and tried to reformat the card, but it still is only 814MB.
[17:19] <shauno> the latter is normal. windows is only seeing the /boot partition, not the linux-formatted root partition
[17:19] <shauno> oh. that ain't tho
[17:19] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah, I figured so. However, I still cant access the full card.
[17:19] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah.
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[17:19] <shauno> 10/10 for timing there, shaun
[17:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> sdformatter with size adhustment on
[17:20] <ThinkingofPython> Not sure why this would happen. Last time I used it, the Pi didn't have any issues. And it's just been sitting on my desk.
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[17:23] <ThinkingofPython> Odd, now when trying the micro sd in SD Formatter, it says its locked.
[17:23] <ThinkingofPython> But its not, haha.
[17:23] <Rickta59> someone stole your larger sd card and gave you a dinky one
[17:23] <ThinkingofPython> heh, noo
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> SD cards fail for no good reason
[17:23] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah, I just didn't realize it would fail by just sitting there lol
[17:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> you formatted into readonly
[17:24] <Habbie> ThinkingofPython, is there a slider on there?
[17:24] <ThinkingofPython> Replugged it, works now/
[17:24] <Habbie> if not, next time wiggle the slider back and forth a few times
[17:24] <ThinkingofPython> Tried reformatting with Size Adjustment, no change. Still only 800mb
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[17:25] <shiftplusone> ThinkingofPython: I had that happen with a card. Linux and windows would pretend that they're writing to it, but reading anything back gave the old data. SD formatter said it's read only.
[17:25] <ThinkingofPython> Cluster size shoes 16384 Bytes
[17:25] <ThinkingofPython> shows*
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[17:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> it's gone read only - you have worn it out get a new one and dont make it a cheep one
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[17:26] <ThinkingofPython> Doesnt seem to be read only now
[17:26] <shiftplusone> RaTTuS|BIG: is that actually a 'feature' of the sd card firmware?
[17:26] <ThinkingofPython> I replugged in the adapter, and it works. Changed adapters too for good case. But the card shows only 800mb still
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[17:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> write a small file . unmont it , plug it back in is it htere
[17:26] <ThinkingofPython> Unfortunately, I live in China. We can't get real ones here.
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[17:27] <shiftplusone> ThinkingofPython: any luck with that education project you were hoping to do ages ago?
[17:27] <ThinkingofPython> So I just did a surface test on the card, and it shows: 1652917 sectors
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[17:27] <ThinkingofPython> shiftplusone Hah, been ages since I saw ya! Actually, we wrapped that up after selling the idea. Now, for the last 2 years, my team has been working on a modular retro game console. www.RetroATK.com
[17:27] <ThinkingofPython> Called Lythium. There's a post on AtariAge about it, if any of you frequent there.
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[17:28] <ThinkingofPython> (Unfortunately, we're not using a Pi for this. We're going x86, due to software demand)
[17:28] <ThinkingofPython> But I digress. I'm not too knowledgable with SD cards. Does 1652917 sectors seem normal for a 16GB card thats only reporting as 800mb? lol
[17:28] <shiftplusone> Boo! Boourns!
[17:29] <ThinkingofPython> I knooowwwww
[17:29] <shiftplusone> windows is a bit stupid and only show you the first partition. Try RaTTuS|BIG's suggestion to verify that it's actually just discarding writes.
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[17:30] <ThinkingofPython> Buttttt, since our product is modular, we *may* do a pi based board for it, for a smaller footprint device.
[17:30] <ThinkingofPython> Hmm, I'll check that
[17:30] <oq> ThinkingofPython: cm3?
[17:30] <ThinkingofPython> cm3?
[17:31] <oq> the pi3 version of the compute module
[17:31] <ThinkingofPython> Oh no. We're using an UP Board for our x86 module board.
[17:31] <ThinkingofPython> But our device is actually a proprietary designed modular game cart reader, that can connect to that x86 module...for reasons.
[17:32] <ThinkingofPython> So I unmounted and remounted, a file still stays on the card
[17:32] <ThinkingofPython> So it's not discarding writes.
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[17:33] <ThinkingofPython> So in a nutshell: I can't see the linux partition, even when using EaseUS (which is like gpart). SDFormatter won't format past 800mb as well. Additionally, the sectors show up as 1652917 when doing surface test, and cluster size is 16385 bytes.
[17:33] <ThinkingofPython> Cards dead, right?
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[17:34] <ThinkingofPython> RaTTuS|BIG and shiftplusone Seems reasonable, right? The cards probably dead?
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[17:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> load it up on a linux mahcine and sudo fdisk it - remove all aprtitions then make them again
[17:35] * RaTTuS|BIG gone
[17:36] <ShorTie> SDFormatter and use the options maybe ??
[17:36] <ThinkingofPython> Tried that, ShorTie.
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[17:37] <ThinkingofPython> SDFormatter even with size adjustment, still only gives me 800mb
[17:37] <ThinkingofPython> I don't have a linux machine atm. Just moved D:
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[17:38] <ThinkingofPython> Although, maybe I can get a distro to boot off of usb.
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[17:42] <ThinkingofPython> Hah!
[17:42] <ThinkingofPython> Putting the SD card into my phone and reformatting it...worked.
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[17:42] <ThinkingofPython> I guess android could see the linux portion
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[18:02] <ThinkingofPython> Guys, is there an alternative download for retropie-4.1-rpi2_rpi3.img.gz?
[18:02] <ThinkingofPython> Github is slow in China. 180 hours to download this.
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[18:05] <Chillum> ThinkingofPython: I can put up a copy on S3 for you
[18:05] <Chillum> very fast
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[18:06] <Chillum> oh nevermind, I dont' have a copy there, thought I did
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[18:06] <ThinkingofPython> Ah darn :(
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[18:07] <ThinkingofPython> Maybe shiftplusone will know?
[18:07] <shiftplusone> Maybe
[18:07] <ThinkingofPython> Shifty, do you know if there's an alternative download for retropie-4.1-rpi2_rpi3.img.gz? Github is slow here. 180 hours to download it lol
[18:07] <shiftplusone> Ah, nope
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[18:07] <ThinkingofPython> dammit
[18:08] <shiftplusone> when I used retropie, I installed it within raspbian
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[18:08] <shiftplusone> have switched to recalbox now though
[18:08] <ThinkingofPython> Is it better?
[18:09] <shiftplusone> I fount it a lot more polished and everything just worked.
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[18:09] <ThinkingofPython> Ouu, I'll check it out
[18:10] <ThinkingofPython> It's based on emulationstation it seems too
[18:10] <ThinkingofPython> Which is libretro, I guess
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[18:10] <shiftplusone> yeah, pretty much everything uses that
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[18:11] <ThinkingofPython> Hmm, I'll give recalbox a try!
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[18:11] <ThinkingofPython> I wiped raspbian off lol. So hope it can be a standalone
[18:12] <Broly> ThinkingofPython: no mirrors?
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[18:12] <ThinkingofPython> I don't see any mirrors
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[18:14] <ThinkingofPython> Wow shiftplusone Recalbox seems simple.
[18:14] <ThinkingofPython> Just copy the files to SD and you're good to go.
[18:14] <ThinkingofPython> Damn.
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[18:15] <subvhome> does the latest raspbian jessie have a screen saver?
[18:15] <shiftplusone> subvhome: not by default, no.
[18:15] <subvhome> awesome
[18:15] <subvhome> thankx
[18:15] <shiftplusone> it does blank the screen though
[18:15] <subvhome> how do i stop it from blanking the screen?
[18:16] <Broly> ThinkingofPython: try this: https://pub.hlad.org/RetroPie/
[18:16] <subvhome> xscreensaver -nosplash ?
[18:16] <shiftplusone> there's a command that I have to google every time
[18:16] <Deusdeorum> Good RPI compatible LED screen for hosting a digital clock. Amazon, anyone?
[18:16] <shiftplusone> no, it's not xscreensaver
[18:16] <subvhome> ill look for it thanks.
[18:17] <shiftplusone> it's xset with some magic runes
[18:17] <shiftplusone> IIRC
[18:17] <ali1234> shiftplusone: what is the correct keyring package for the foundation repo?
[18:17] <ThinkingofPython> Broly, Thanks man. First, I'll give recallbox a swing, to see if I like it
[18:17] <ThinkingofPython> If not, I'll keep that link, for trying retropie. Much appreciated.
[18:18] <shiftplusone> ali1234: Good question. There isn't one.
[18:18] <Broly> no problem
[18:18] <ali1234> shiftplusone: that explains why i couldn't find it. can you make one please?
[18:18] <ThinkingofPython> shiftplusone Whatever happened to the pi education fund? heh
[18:18] <ali1234> also what is that "collabora-rpi-foundation" one?
[18:18] <shiftplusone> I definitely should at some point.
[18:19] <ali1234> "collabora-rpifoundation-archive-keyring" - but it doesn't appear to install anything
[18:19] <shiftplusone> Idk... something collabora made before I got here. It may or may not be useful.
[18:19] <subvhome> [SeatDefaults]
[18:19] <subvhome> xserver-command=X -s 0 -dpms
[18:19] <subvhome> ?
[18:19] <shiftplusone> ThinkingofPython: no idea. Again, that's all foundation stuff.
[18:20] <ThinkingofPython> Ah
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[18:20] <ThinkingofPython> shiftplusone I'm still after a pi0.
[18:21] <ThinkingofPython> As I don't want to pay $50 for one in China.
[18:21] <ThinkingofPython> You guys should send a cargo drop of them.
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[18:21] <ThinkingofPython> Just get a big catapult and aim blindly
[18:21] <shiftplusone> but only drop about 10
[18:21] <Chillum> that is what happens when insist of selling something for $5 when it is clearly worth more, you know supply and demand and all
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[18:22] <ThinkingofPython> heh
[18:22] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah. There is a chinese manufacturer of Pi boards (dragon something?)
[18:22] <ThinkingofPython> but they don't do the pi0 D:
[18:22] <ThinkingofPython> Been anxiously waiting to get one
[18:23] <ali1234> woo crcuits boards arrived
[18:23] <Chillum> I would love if someone capable of making enough to meet demand would knock it off
[18:23] <shiftplusone> why $50 though? Don't pimoroni and others ship to china?
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[18:23] <Chillum> a few months of not having supply is one thing, but over a year?
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[18:23] <Chillum> with 2 new product in the meantime
[18:24] <Chillum> they should just admit it is a $15 computer, sell it for that and make enough
[18:24] <shiftplusone> I haven't had any problems buying them.It seems that the people complaining are the ones that want to buy them in bulk for commercial purposes.
[18:24] <ali1234> me neither, i've got like 10 at this point
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[18:25] <Chillum> shiftplusone: they are a great device for integrating into products
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[18:25] <Chillum> but if you can only buy one at a time it will never be more than a toy
[18:25] <shiftplusone> it doesn't try to be more than a toy
[18:25] <shiftplusone> if you want more than a toy, that's what the CM is for.
[18:25] <ali1234> right
[18:25] <Chillum> it was touted as an integrated computer solution for the IoT
[18:26] <Chillum> I am just annoyed that the best product they have made yet is being deprioritized
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[18:27] <Chillum> perhaps they will make the pi zero w in bulk
[18:27] <shiftplusone> Personally, I would like to see them available for $5 for one and $150 for a pack of 10.
[18:27] <Chillum> ^^
[18:27] <Chillum> that would be reasonable
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[18:30] <ali1234> shiftplusone: don't sppose you know or can ask someone the actual thickness of the zero PCB?
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[18:31] <ThinkingofPython> shiftplusone Do you know if recallbox can work with wired PS3 controllers?
[18:31] <shiftplusone> nobody within shouting distance.
[18:31] <ThinkingofPython> As I dont have a BT dongle.
[18:31] <shiftplusone> ThinkingofPython: no idea, I use wireless 360 controllers.
[18:31] <Chillum> ali1234: I can measure
[18:31] <ali1234> i can measure too but not accurately enough
[18:32] <ali1234> it's less than 1.6mm and more than 1.2mm
[18:32] <Chillum> I have calipers, osmewhere
[18:32] <Chillum> can't find them
[18:33] <ali1234> again, me too... but only accurate to about +/- 0.1mm
[18:33] <IT_Sean> ali1234: it's thinner than a duck.
[18:33] <shiftplusone> depends on the duck
[18:33] <IT_Sean> it's thinner than a live duck.
[18:33] <shiftplusone> granted
[18:34] <ali1234> boards came out nice anyway. i never thought it would be so quick and easy to get PCBs made
[18:35] <shiftplusone> selling them yet?
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[18:35] <ali1234> i just have to bag them up first
[18:35] <ali1234> i now have all the pieces ready to go
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[18:35] <shiftplusone> using something like tindie?
[18:35] <leftyfb> ali1234: whatcha makin?
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[18:36] <ali1234> leftyfb: the zero stem
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[18:36] <ali1234> i just need to bag everything, print labels, and make a website
[18:37] <BurtyB> ali1234, 1.4mm for me
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[18:38] <ali1234> BurtyB: no serial number on my board this time :)
[18:38] <leftyfb> ali1234: http://www.readysetstem.com/ that one?
[18:38] <ali1234> they put it on the frame and shipped it as whole pieces
[18:38] <ali1234> panels*
[18:38] <ali1234> leftyfb: no
[18:38] <leftyfb> ali1234: it's tough to google rpi stem :)
[18:39] <ali1234> google pi zero stem
[18:39] <leftyfb> oooo
[18:39] <ali1234> soon there will be a website at zerostem.io
[18:39] <leftyfb> I want it
[18:39] <ali1234> when i make it
[18:39] <leftyfb> I want like 5
[18:39] <ali1234> well i have 200
[18:40] <leftyfb> how much?
[18:40] <ali1234> i'm not sure yet what the final price will be
[18:40] <ali1234> but probably "the same as the pi zero"
[18:41] <ali1234> in that ballpark anyway
[18:41] <leftyfb> I'll be in line to buy 2 immediately ... and possibly more down the line
[18:42] <ali1234> hmm they plated the mounting holes
[18:42] <leftyfb> heh
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[18:42] <ali1234> they didnt do that last time
[18:42] <leftyfb> as in, covered up? or just around the edges
[18:43] <ali1234> the inside of the hole is plated, like a giant via
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[18:44] <d0rm0us3> added compression resistance when mounted?
[18:44] <ali1234> it should be fine as long as the nylon mounting screws are used
[18:45] <leftyfb> my 200pc order of nylon m3's should be delivered today.
[18:45] <leftyfb> got some stainless steel as well
[18:45] * plugwash has never found a problem with plated mounting holes
[18:46] <plugwash> even with metal screws
[18:46] <leftyfb> been gearing up for the raspberry jam next Tuesday
[18:47] <leftyfb> even made some earrings for my wife: https://www.facebook.com/LowellMakes/photos/gm.673029409545406/1121005284676057/?type=3&theater
[18:47] <redrabbit> ali1234: where did you ordered your pcb / how long did it take / do you have pics
[18:47] <redrabbit> ^^
[18:49] <redrabbit> leftyfb: where's that jam at
[18:49] <leftyfb> redrabbit: about 20 minutes north of Boston, MA
[18:50] <redrabbit> oh, that's a bit far away from france
[18:50] <redrabbit> sounds fun
[18:50] <leftyfb> https://www.facebook.com/LowellMakes/posts/1121005928009326
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[18:50] <leftyfb> gonna show off the beginnings of our arcade cabinet as well
[18:50] <leftyfb> I got lots of demo's planned
[18:51] <redrabbit> neat
[18:51] <oq> heh, zero lipo back in stock this morning, out of stock this evening
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[18:51] <oq> guess they must've found a few extra lying around
[18:51] <leftyfb> zero lipo?
[18:51] <redrabbit> lipo batteries?
[18:52] <oq> this, https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/zero-lipo
[18:52] <leftyfb> ah, booster
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[18:52] <leftyfb> oq: https://www.adafruit.com/product/3196 Adafruit has them in stock
[18:53] <oq> leftyfb: more than that, it has circuitry to detect a low battery and shutdown the pi
[18:53] <leftyfb> man that's nice
[18:53] <redrabbit> why this vs another solution
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[18:53] <redrabbit> ah that
[18:53] <redrabbit> auto shutdown is neat
[18:53] <oq> and you can solder on a switch
[18:53] <leftyfb> redrabbit: alo this https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/970x728/3196-04.jpg
[18:54] <leftyfb> it's pretty amazing when batteries are bigger than the computer
[18:54] <redrabbit> ^^
[18:54] <redrabbit> i have a plan to do something like this for my pi0w
[18:54] <oq> the adafruit powerbooster is technically superior because it can charge lipos too but the soldering to get it working is somewhat more complex
[18:55] <redrabbit> yeah charge would be a must
[18:55] <oq> ie this, https://camo.githubusercontent.com/b5e8f81ee7a32975af369e816201ff9c3e8d69a4/68747470733a2f2f7261772e6769746875622e636f6d2f4e656f6e486f72697a6f6e2f6c69706f70692f6d61737465722f70696374757265732f6f766572766965772e6a7067
[18:55] <leftyfb> https://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-wearable-time-lapse-camera/overview
[18:55] <redrabbit> plugging off / pluggin on multiple things when you use a regular bank can be meh
[18:55] <leftyfb> i'm building that today/tonight
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[18:56] <redrabbit> oq: this solution looks better than the 1st
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[18:56] <oq> leftyfb: I already have something like with a pi0w and the official camera case plus a usb battery bank
[18:57] <oq> streaming raw h264 to my phone over wifi
[18:57] <leftyfb> i'll be streaming video from that to this: https://www.facebook.com/LowellMakes/photos/a.322055884571005.69257.318255784951015/1113972768712642/?type=3&theater
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[18:57] <redrabbit> hehe
[18:57] <leftyfb> :)
[18:57] <redrabbit> what do you use for the streaming
[18:57] <redrabbit> software wise
[18:57] <leftyfb> opencv and some custom python
[18:57] <oq> netcat
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[18:58] <leftyfb> oh wait, for streaming .... the fadecandies powering those leds have a net socket for me to connect to with opencv
[18:58] <leftyfb> well, not the micro's themselves, but the daemon that runs for them
[18:59] <leftyfb> I already have a camera built into that led board right in the middle and it's been running for over a year
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[18:59] <leftyfb> I'll just copy all that to the pi ... should just work :)
[18:59] <leftyfb> pi0z that is
[18:59] <leftyfb> w
[18:59] <leftyfb> ok, lunch time
[18:59] <leftyfb> bbiab
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[19:01] <redrabbit> i have a great 11 spice mix recipe i r&d
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[19:04] <redrabbit> https://friedchicken.ml/ if you have the patience its worth it
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[19:29] <ali1234> redrabbit: i ordered from dirtypcbs and it took about 15 days
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[19:30] <gordonDrogon> I prefer roast chicken...
[19:31] <ali1234> redrabbit: you will probably think i'm a savage but when i do fried chicken it's just flour, salt, pepper, and tomato soup powder
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[19:31] <shiftplusone> I just sear it a bit, salt and pepper then stick it in the oven, no need to get fancy.
[19:32] <ali1234> fried chicken is the best tho
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[19:32] <ali1234> it's the original fast food
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> cover in butter, sprinkle on mixed herbs. roast in oven - 240�C for 25 minutes, then down to 160�C until its done (78�C at the leg joint)
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> after the high roast, pour in some wine/beer/cider ...
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[19:33] <ali1234> that's roast chicken and gravy
[19:33] <ali1234> okay, but not the same thing at all
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/chickens.jpg
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> no need to get fancy :)
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[19:34] <ali1234> that is fancy compared to deep frying it
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[19:35] <gordonDrogon> I only bought a deep frier a few weeks ago though.
[19:35] <ali1234> they are always so messy to deal with, or i'd probably eat fried chicken every day
[19:35] <shiftplusone> home time. 'nighth
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[19:36] <oq> I prefer to buy my chicken chlorinated
[19:37] <redrabbit> ahah
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[19:39] <redrabbit> the messiest step in my recipe is making the spice mix
[19:39] <redrabbit> you better hold your breath when you're doing it
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[19:41] <redrabbit> i made enough for 13kg of chicken yesterday
[19:41] <IT_Sean> Do you make your chicken supah spicy?
[19:41] <redrabbit> should be good for a while
[19:41] <redrabbit> the spice mix is mild but i have extacts in droppers
[19:41] <redrabbit> extracts
[19:41] <IT_Sean> I looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove spicy food!
[19:41] <redrabbit> habanero powder mixed in 99% alcohol then strained
[19:42] <oq> hmm, I could probably cut up this hammer header and then solder it to a hat and be able to pop it on and off without the added height a female connector adds
[19:43] <redrabbit> IT_Sean: i posted the recipe website right above if you like fried chicken
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[19:43] <IT_Sean> :thumbsup:
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[19:44] <ali1234> hmm i ordered 200 boards and they put 6 on a panel... so 34 panels would have been 204 boards
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[19:44] <ali1234> but they've sent me 43 panels instead of 34
[19:44] <ali1234> so i got 58 boards for free
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[19:44] <IT_Sean> someone fat-fingered the order?
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[19:44] <oq> don't want to notify them?
[19:44] <ali1234> possibly me, let me check what i actually ordered
[19:44] <redrabbit> aliexpress?
[19:44] <IT_Sean> OR theym ade extra in case some didn't come out right, and you got the extra?
[19:45] <ali1234> hmm i definitely ordered 200
[19:45] <ali1234> maybe they did make extra, dunno
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[19:47] <IT_Sean> It's not uncommon. The cost to make extra in case some get screwed up is less than the cost of setting everything up again to make more.
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[19:47] <ali1234> yeah, i can understand that
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[19:47] <ali1234> and some of them are a bit wonky anyway
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[19:47] <ali1234> layer registration isn't great
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[19:48] <IT_Sean> :(
[19:48] <IT_Sean> is it close enough?
[19:49] <ali1234> yeah it will work
[19:49] <ali1234> some of them just look a bit ugly
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[19:50] <ali1234> i think next time i will panelize it myself
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[20:12] <ExeciN> I want to have a local (yet portable) web server on my rpi for testing stuff. I want to have different sites under different hosts. I have to either do some black magic with my browser's http headers and report a custom host or put some entries in my hosts files.
[20:12] <ExeciN> is there a more proper way to do this with zeroconf? like having 2 hosts under the same interface?
[20:12] <ExeciN> or maybe some other proper way of doing this
[20:13] <leftyfb> ExeciN: just setup vhosts in apache or nginx and have multiple hostnames in your local hosts file pointing to the same ip
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[20:21] <ExeciN> yeah it could be done with adding stuff in my hosts file but that isn't as clean
[20:21] <ExeciN> I want other devices to be able to access the different sites it offers
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[20:21] <ExeciN> this is why I asked about zeroconf
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[20:22] <ExeciN> I basically want to have 2 or more hosts to point to the same address like site1.local and site2.local
[20:22] <ali1234> apache vhosts?
[20:23] <leftyfb> that's only going to work with local host files or your own local DNS server
[20:23] <ali1234> you can also get a firefox extension for it
[20:23] <ali1234> you can probably also persuade avahi-daemon to advertize itself twice
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[20:23] <leftyfb> hosts file is going to be better than a browser extension. Either way, he wants to do this from multiple machines with no local config
[20:23] <ali1234> then avahi way is only way
[20:24] <leftyfb> avahi lets you inject custom DNS?
[20:24] <shauno> I do similar with avahi, works fine (unless windows)
[20:24] <ali1234> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/255353/multicasting-multiple-mdns-names
[20:24] <leftyfb> he needs his won DNS server
[20:24] <leftyfb> own*
[20:24] <ali1234> ExeciN: check that stack exchange question ^
[20:24] <ali1234> avahi-daemon is zeroconf for linux, it is installed by default on raspbian
[20:24] <leftyfb> don't see why any of this is necessary anyway. What's wrong with fakedomain.com/site1 and fakedomain.com/site2?
[20:25] <oq> leftyfb: because thats dumb
[20:25] <oq> vhosts in nginx, apache is so easy
[20:25] <leftyfb> oq: I know this and already suggested it. But the only way that's going to work is having a local DNS server pointing to the same ip for all the fake domains
[20:25] <ali1234> yeah vhosts are much easier to configure than lots of directories, and it means oyu can port your config directly over to production server or whatever
[20:26] <oq> leftyfb: your home router doesn't have a dns forwarder?
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[20:26] <oq> mine does
[20:26] <leftyfb> guys, I know this. I used to work for the largest hosting company in the country managing, at the time, their only 2 datacenters.
[20:26] <leftyfb> it's ExeciN who seems against doing things the proper way
[20:27] <ExeciN> I thik you don't get my use-case
[20:27] <ali1234> he doesn't, but i do
[20:27] <leftyfb> because you haven't explained it
[20:27] <ali1234> check the stack exchange it tells you exactly how to do it :)
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[20:28] <leftyfb> 1 pi server running a web server with multiple local domains and the ability to access those domains all pointing to the same ip. For that, the proper way is a local DNS server
[20:28] <ExeciN> I want to have 2 or more sites on the rpi and I want to access them using different devices on the same network (lets say a mix and match of different mobiles/tablets)
[20:28] <ExeciN> each site should have its own host
[20:28] <leftyfb> right
[20:28] <leftyfb> host your own local DNS server
[20:28] <ali1234> guess what, avahi is a DNS server
[20:28] <leftyfb> ish
[20:28] <ExeciN> now I want to be able to take the pi to a different network
[20:29] <leftyfb> oh
[20:29] <ali1234> why you still arguing about this? i posted the solution like 5 minutes ago
[20:29] <leftyfb> that's not going to work
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[20:29] <ExeciN> oh subdomains will work just fine
[20:30] <Simonious> Anyone played with 'grove'?
[20:30] <Simonious> like it?
[20:30] <leftyfb> Simonious: you mean one of the direct competitors of the raspberry pi?
[20:31] <ExeciN> so I'll give the solution on stackexchange a try
[20:31] <ali1234> you can use 0.0.0.0 if you don't know the IP address in advance
[20:31] <ali1234> i think you can anyway
[20:31] <Simonious> leftyfb: uhm.. well you can get a grove shield for the pi, so.. *shrugs* that doesn't seem fully a competitor
[20:31] <ali1234> i dont like grove connectors
[20:32] <ali1234> they break too easy
[20:32] <Simonious> ali1234: fine, but how about the devices and the 'standard'?
[20:32] <ali1234> i much prefer 0.1" "dupont"
[20:32] <ali1234> don't know anything about that, sorry
[20:32] <ali1234> isn't it just i2c?
[20:32] <Simonious> yes
[20:32] <ali1234> well then, it's fine, i guess?
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[20:34] <Simonious> fair enough
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[20:34] <Simonious> I just haven't ever played with the grove stuff
[20:34] <Simonious> and had a wondering about it
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[20:35] <shauno> kinda bummed, I picked up hifiberry's case, and it's .. terrible
[20:35] <ali1234> a lot of cases out there are really bad
[20:36] <ali1234> the new pi zero official case is really nice
[20:36] <ali1234> i like it a lot
[20:36] <shauno> main gripe is just that it's going to take a dremel to fit a microusb cable in
[20:36] <oq> ali1234: ditto
[20:36] <oq> ali1234: tried it with a camera inside yet?
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[20:36] <ali1234> oq: yes that's why i bought it
[20:37] <shauno> yeah, I got that one too. a lot more pettite than I was expecting, it's nifty
[20:37] <ali1234> the camera lid is great
[20:37] <ali1234> pity it doesn't work with the old camera ... but i can live with that
[20:37] <ali1234> not like you can buy them any more
[20:37] <oq> it doesnt?
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[20:37] <ali1234> no, it doesn't fit properly
[20:37] <shauno> but I have a pi with a hifiberry dac on top, so I wanted one with enough extra headroom to allow that
[20:37] <oq> my first model noir fit
[20:37] <ali1234> the camera module itself is too tall
[20:37] <ali1234> you could hack it fairly easily i suppose
[20:38] <ali1234> it doesn't clip in properly
[20:38] <oq> well mine fits, and it stays there
[20:38] <Kriss3d> im considering CEH or CISP.. what do you guys think ?
[20:38] <ali1234> i bought the original camera on, like, the day it came out
[20:38] <oq> a blutac'd a visible light filter on the outside
[20:38] <ali1234> cameras*
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[20:38] <ali1234> so they might be different, i dunno
[20:39] <ali1234> oh that reminds me i was going to try one of those phone camera lenses
[20:39] <oq> the clip on ones?
[20:39] <oq> I think pimoroni has a telephoto one now too
[20:39] <ali1234> no the ones with a little ring magnet and sticky pad
[20:39] <oq> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/telephoto-lens
[20:40] <ali1234> that's completely OTT lol
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[20:41] <ali1234> there's loads of similar products on ebay
[20:41] <ali1234> i prefer the magnetic ones to the clips
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[20:41] <ali1234> they are smaller
[20:41] <oq> 12x though
[20:41] <ali1234> but of course they can fall off more easily
[20:42] <oq> you could always buy your own neodymium magnets and glue them onto it
[20:42] <ali1234> that's how they work already
[20:42] <ali1234> instead of the clip, you get a metal ring with double sided tape on it, and the lenses are magnetic
[20:43] <oq> yeah... but the magnets on those cheap devices are the worst
[20:43] <ali1234> i guess they are a bit weak
[20:43] <ali1234> i didn't have a problem on my robot
[20:43] <oq> I bought a 3rd party replacement charger for a pebble and the magnets weren't even half as strong as the stock even though they are the same size
[20:44] <ali1234> big telephoto lens like that one would fall right off though due to weight
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[20:44] <martin290> hey everyone
[20:45] <Kriss3d> wow.. awesome sound
[20:45] <oq> all the ones pimoroni sell have clips :/
[20:45] <ali1234> yes just go on ebay and buy direct
[20:45] <Deusdeorum> can i connect adafruit LEDS to rpi easy?
[20:46] <Deusdeorum> all compatible with rpi?
[20:46] <oq> Deusdeorum: link to product page
[20:46] <Deusdeorum> https://www.adafruit.com/product/881
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[20:46] <Deusdeorum> or a couple of 8x8 matrix leds, something like this https://www.adafruit.com/products/3151
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[20:48] <ali1234> oq: https://goo.gl/photos/4jnee7Yc3de1UQXb9
[20:48] <oq> Deusdeorum: found this, https://learn.adafruit.com/matrix-7-segment-led-backpack-with-the-raspberry-pi?view=all
[20:49] <ali1234> that raised ring around the camera hole is exactly the same size as the magnetic ring
[20:49] <oq> nice
[20:49] <ali1234> no, it's terrible
[20:49] <martin290> anyone have any luck getting asp.net to work on the pi?
[20:49] <ali1234> it prevents it from sticking properly :(
[20:49] <ali1234> i'd have to sand it down flat
[20:50] <Deusdeorum> oq nice ill just order a couple of things to play with then
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[20:51] <shauno> the zero case with the camera looks like it should have a wall-mounting option. so it can live on the wall like hal's baby sister
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[20:52] <oq> shauno: the pihut sell something similiar that you can suction cup to a window
[20:52] <oq> obviously not as nice without a custom cable like the official case got, https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0176/3274/products/ZeroView-2_grande.jpg?v=1477646078
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[20:54] <shauno> anyway, finished going through my cables, looks like I really am going to have to dremel this hifiberry one.
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[21:27] <ali1234> okay i measured everything up
[21:27] <ShorTie> 2 ??
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[21:27] <ali1234> ideally you need a steel washer with 11.5mm outer diameter and at least 7.5mm inner diameter
[21:28] <Kriss3d> Whatscha doing ?
[21:28] <ali1234> this will then glue to the lid inside the raised ring
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[21:28] <ali1234> mounting a magnetic lens on the official pi zero case
[21:29] <Kriss3d> oh. making your own ip cam ?
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[21:30] <Chillum> pro tip, don't try using cyanoacrylate to glue clear plastic, it will craze
[21:31] <Kriss3d> why not use 2-component glue ?
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[21:32] <Kriss3d> or that crazy glue stuff. it should hold plastic and not mess too much
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[21:33] <Chillum> crazy glue is cyanoacrylate, it will fog the lens forever
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[21:33] <Chillum> a 2-part might work, but I would test it with some scrap plastic first
[21:34] <Kriss3d> ofcourse
[21:35] <Chillum> I suppose you could mask the plastic with tape first and remove it when dry
[21:35] <Kriss3d> if i were to build anything id consider acryl. unless its for a casing for electronics. acryl gets a nasty habit of holding quite impressive charges
[21:35] <Chillum> low tack tape
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[21:54] <Emil> Kriss3d: really?
[21:54] <Emil> I have never ran into that personally
[21:55] <Kriss3d> well acryl are easy to charge. Same with drainpipes.
[21:55] <Emil> OhSnap it seems you are correct :D
[21:56] <Emil> Well, I'll have to be careful with mine
[21:56] <Emil> Thanks for the headsup (y)
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[22:00] <Valduare> wooo new pi0-w arrived today
[22:02] <leftyfb> adafruit has them in stock btw
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[23:35] <mozak> on Rpi is sound bettwer over hdmi or audio jack?
[23:35] <Chillum> hdmi
[23:35] <Chillum> the analog sound is low quality
[23:36] <oq> the dac is low quality
[23:36] <leftyfb> it's also analog
[23:36] <oq> the sound will always be analog in the end
[23:36] <oq> just with hdmi it's the dac on the tv it uses instead
[23:37] <mozak> so hdmi is better if you have nice tv :)
[23:37] <oq> any tv really
[23:37] <Lartza> mozak, HDMI is always better
[23:37] <Lartza> a lot better
[23:37] <oq> it's hard to emphasis how truly bad the dac on the pi is
[23:37] <Chillum> it is just PWM isn't it?
[23:37] <oq> yep
[23:38] <Chillum> I have only used it for synthesized voice from festival
[23:38] <oq> it's why dac hats are a thing
[23:38] <Lartza> I've connected it to my stereo and it's fine but
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[23:38] <Lartza> rpi1 did have pops on song switch before it was fixed in kernel or firmware etc and it's never that high quality
[23:39] <leftyfb> ok, wtf! I installed ubuntu server on my pi3. After doing regular update, now it only wants to boot from the network
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[23:40] <Lartza> since when is ubuntu server available for the pi?
[23:40] <Lartza> oh like, a year ago, okay...
[23:40] <Lartza> :D
[23:40] <oq> ubuntu server is just ubuntu without the DE
[23:40] <oq> like raspbian lite
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[23:41] <Lartza> And with server software
[23:41] <Lartza> It's not completely the same
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[23:41] <Lartza> very VERY same
[23:41] <Lartza> :)
[23:41] <Lartza> iirc
[23:41] <oq> "server software"?
[23:41] <Lartza> It was a while I used Ubuntu Server...
[23:41] <Lartza> Yeah?
[23:41] <ali1234> the biggest difference is that it is optimized for pi2/pi3 and cannot run on the others
[23:41] <Lartza> bind, ntp server, etc
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[23:41] <Lartza> maybe even apache etc
[23:42] <advancedgarde> Isn't the kernel optimised differently?
[23:42] <oq> why on earth would they preinstall apache
[23:42] <Lartza> oq, Why not?
[23:42] <oq> anyone with any sense uses nginx
[23:42] <Lartza> lol
[23:42] <Lartza> I don't think they have a separate kernel anymore, they did in history though
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[23:43] <leftyfb> Lartza: besides the default installed kernel, there's zero difference between ubuntu server and ubuntu desktop
[23:43] <ali1234> oq: they dont
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[23:43] <leftyfb> both on x86 ad arm
[23:43] <Lartza> leftyfb, Really? I can't find a server kernel from the repos
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[23:44] <oq> ali1234: yeah... they do
[23:45] <leftyfb> Lartza: the point is, there is no "server software" installed or available on ubuntu server as opposed to desktop
[23:45] <Lartza> Oh yeah that might be wrong :)
[23:45] <leftyfb> it is
[23:45] <Lartza> Debian does offer some in the installer and I may be thinking of OpenVZ containers
[23:45] <Lartza> images
[23:45] <Lartza> whatever they are called
[23:46] <ali1234> ubuntu-server is basically "ubuntu but installed with the debian server"
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[23:46] <ali1234> "debian installer" sorry
[23:46] <ali1234> but on pi, the image is mostly pre-configured
[23:46] <leftyfb> I don't even think it's that anymore
[23:46] <leftyfb> they're working on their own installer
[23:46] <ali1234> it still is on x86
[23:46] <leftyfb> the image is just a cloud image
[23:46] <advancedgarde> ali1234: it's a slightly different kernel right? It used to be ..
[23:47] <ali1234> yes, but the cloud stuff is nowhere near done yet
[23:47] <leftyfb> nowhere near done yet?
[23:47] <ali1234> yes, nowhere near done yet. it certainly isn't ready to replace traditional installs
[23:47] <ali1234> it falls over constantly
[23:47] <leftyfb> it most certainly is
[23:47] <ali1234> it is only really useable because when it breaks, you just spin up a new instance and copy over the configs
[23:48] <ali1234> even the official pi images don't work properly
[23:48] <leftyfb> where do you see it falling down? ... besides the pi image
[23:48] <ali1234> all you have to do is "sudo apt upgrade" and it breaks
[23:48] <leftyfb> I work with the cloud images every day
[23:48] <mfa298> ubuntu had various cloud things working several years ago, although they might have changed their minds a few times since then (at least in the x86 world)
[23:48] <Lartza> advancedgarde, Before 12.04, Ubuntu server installs a server-optimized kernel by default. Since 12.04, there is no difference in kernel between Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server since linux-image-server is merged into linux-image-generic.
[23:48] <leftyfb> yeah, that's a pi kernel issues. Not really the cloud image
[23:48] <Lartza> advancedgarde, That's a quote
[23:49] <Lartza> So as I thought
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[23:49] <ali1234> i also see the same thing happening in all-snap images
[23:49] <mfa298> I spent some time with their maas and juju stuff finding that it's good for devs, not so good for big production stuff
[23:49] <ali1234> except they auto-update and die on their own
[23:49] <leftyfb> ali1234: snap images != cloud images.
[23:49] <Lartza> Also LTS server is supported for five years instead of three and the ISO contains server software instead of stuff like X and gnome
[23:49] <HrdwrBoB> IIRC the 'server optimised' kernel was just the different CPU and IO default scheduler
[23:49] <leftyfb> mfa298: also not true
[23:49] <ali1234> its all ubuntu core
[23:50] <advancedgarde> Lartza: thanks ^^
[23:50] <ali1234> the ubuntu-mate images work perfectly... including their ubuntu-server flavour...
[23:51] <leftyfb> I work with many big name vendors who use ubuntu cloud images installed from maas and juju on a daily basis. It's my career at the moment. No problems from them, at least with GA hardware
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[23:51] <leftyfb> I install cloud images sometimes several times a day with MAAS, also no issues
[23:51] <mfa298> leftyfb: when I was looking at juju it really wasn't that good for the big production stuff we were looking at, We could probably have re-written all their stuff to make it betterm but then why not use somethign tried and tested like puppet/chef/ansible
[23:51] <ali1234> the cloud is designed around the idea that individual instances are unreliable
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[23:52] <leftyfb> mfa298: that must have been quite a while ago. They have made big changes in the last year or two
[23:52] <mfa298> leftyfb: things like mysql replication just never worked, using ceph I had to manually fix it all after juju broke things
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[23:52] <leftyfb> mfa298: were there bugs filed? I can't imagine this was in the last year or two
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[23:53] <leftyfb> also, i'm mainly talking about cloud images and maas. There's no issues with cloud images
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[23:53] <ali1234> cloud images by design do not have an interative installer
[23:54] <mfa298> leftyfb: this was 2-3 years ago. We were looking at options to deploy at that point and maas+juju just weren't there at that point, at least not for our needs
[23:54] <leftyfb> mfa298: i'd agree 3 years ago juju wasn't ready
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[23:54] <leftyfb> ali1234: correct. Hence the term image :)
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[23:55] <ali1234> well you claimed that the cloud image installer would replace debian installer in ubuntu-server?
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[23:55] <mfa298> It probably still wouldn't be the best fit for that purpose, 50-60 servers, lots of storage for our own web service for a single customer,
[23:56] <leftyfb> ali1234: nope, never claimed that
[23:56] <leftyfb> ali1234: I claimed they were working on their own D-I installer as opposed to debians
[23:57] <leftyfb> mfa298: we've demo'd a blade server with 128 blades deploying an entire openstack cloud. Thousands of servers using MAAS/juju is typical for our clients
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[23:59] <mfa298> openstack was more hassle than it was worth for us. There wasn't really any need for being able to segregate stuff at the level openstack does in our setup.

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