#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2017-03-10

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <mfa298> then again OS still had some issues at that poitn as well - half of the network stuff wasn't that ha
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[0:09] <Cromaglious_> waiting for the bank account recover so I can get a ZeroW
[0:10] <leftyfb> Cromaglious_: I didn't wait. I just ordered another pi0w from adafruit along with a pi0 camera cable and the pi zero lipo
[0:10] <leftyfb> i'm hoping to get them before our raspberry jam on Tuesday, but I'm not holding my breath
[0:10] <Cromaglious_> hmmm they must have reloaded since this morning... when I was there they didn't have any
[0:11] <leftyfb> and now they're out of stock
[0:11] <leftyfb> I must have caught them at the right time
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[0:13] <Cromaglious_> carp!
[0:13] <Chillum> I tried to make a battery backpack for the pi zero when it came out
[0:13] <Chillum> but my prototype exploded
[0:14] <Chillum> well, the capacitors did
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[0:16] <oq> Chillum: I'm gonna put a zero lipo on a pi0w when it turns up in a couple of days
[0:17] <Chillum> going to solder it directly to the back?
[0:17] <oq> I don't think it can go on the back
[0:17] <Chillum> "You can either solder the 0.8mm thick PCB directly to the bottom of your GPIO header for a permanent solution or solder on the provided 2x4 0.1" female header"
[0:18] <Chillum> I think it goes flush with the back
[0:18] <oq> Chillum: I think they mean like this, https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0174/1800/products/Zero_LiPo_1_of_8_1024x1024.JPG?v=1467386174 and this https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/zero-lipo
[0:18] <oq> pic number 2 using the female header
[0:19] <Chillum> that is not how I would have done it
[0:19] <oq> oops, 2nd link is https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0174/1800/products/Zero_LiPo_5_of_8_1024x1024.JPG?v=1467386174
[0:19] <Chillum> I would have had it sit flush with the back, and be glued on as well as soldered
[0:19] <Chillum> still neat and tidy
[0:19] <Chillum> they made the back flat for a reason
[0:19] <oq> Chillum: yeah I think Gadgetoid said here the other week that it might've been better to go under
[0:20] <oq> maybe v2 eh?
[0:20] <Chillum> I may just copy their circuit hehe
[0:20] <Chillum> that one BGA chip looks tricky but I think I can do it
[0:20] <Chillum> or is that just one of those edge connecting chips, hard to tell
[0:21] <oq> you should copy this https://github.com/NeonHorizon/lipopi because it has charging support
[0:22] <Chillum> nice
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[0:26] <mozak> the expanse goes on
[0:27] <mozak> anyway i have a question i want to build a pi laptop i have screen but it seys i shoud turn of screen on button before power down
[0:28] <mozak> cuz i plan to use battery can i somehow connect a button to some electrick swich to turn it off manualy if battery in low zone
[0:29] <mozak> issue is the swich is a tactile one
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[0:58] <Valduare> hmm
[0:59] <Valduare> pi 0 wifi not connecting
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[1:09] <Valduare> wopse heh
[1:09] <Valduare> typo in wpa_supplicant heh
[1:09] <Valduare> working now
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[1:22] <brent77777> anyone here use kodi?
[1:22] <cromulent> I believe there is a #kodi fwiw
[1:22] <brent77777> well....i am having an issue with my rpi3 with kodi
[1:23] <brent77777> i have read it is suppose to handle a specific video format, and cant seem to get it to work
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[3:58] <sky> heya. new to these things. got a elecrow RPA05010R and rpi zero. hdmi cable, power all hooked up. display shows garbage
[3:59] <sky> it shows a slow refresh, mostly white like the sync/signal is off or something
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[4:29] <ponA> Hey guys, i have question wich is permission related i think, but i cant figure out the problem
[4:30] <ponA> i use php shell_exec() to run a shell command, it is gnuplot
[4:30] <JK-47> this isnt directly connected to the interwebs is it?
[4:31] <ponA> no
[4:31] <Broly> NO!
[4:31] <JK-47> and you trued gnuplot and your conf purely on the CLI?
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[4:32] <ponA> i dont understand your question :/
[4:32] <ponA> anyway, the user who execs the command is www-data, right?
[4:32] <JK-47> depends on your configured httpd
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[4:32] <JK-47> try a simple php file creation and see what user its created as
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[4:33] <ponA> i create the plot.plt file for gnuplot with that, it says owner: www-data
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[4:34] <Broly> have you tried to chown the file as user?
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[4:35] <Broly> i wonder if it makes an account sort of like DB programs do, and then whatever files it produces always have its privileges
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[4:35] <ponA> so i have a subfolder for gnuplot and one for pictures, i use fopen("./gnuplot/plot.plt",'w') to create the plot.plt file, that works
[4:36] <JK-47> dont use ./
[4:36] <Broly> ok
[4:36] <Broly> yeah you don't have to do that
[4:36] <Broly> i hate doing that
[4:36] <ponA> i used
[4:36] <ponA> chown www-data:pi /var/www/html/gnuplot
[4:36] <ponA> chmod g+w /var/www/html/gnuplot
[4:36] <ponA> to get the permissions
[4:36] <Broly> especially when you're digging for config files man
[4:37] <Broly> nothing i hate more than ./'ing .built-in.o.cmd
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[4:37] <Broly> interesting
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[4:38] <JK-47> $fileLocation = getenv("DOCUMENT_ROOT") . "gnuplot/plot.plt"; $file = fopen($fileLocation,"w");
[4:38] <ponA> okay, i deleted the ./, it now reads fopen("gnuplot/plot.plt",'w'), the plot.plt is still created
[4:38] <Broly> are you asking for a confirm,ation
[4:39] <Broly> you're chowning to the account, which you're asking about
[4:39] <Broly> so i guess there is a user www-data
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[4:39] <ponA> my problem is, that if i uses shell_exec('gnuplot plot.plt'), it wont generate the picture
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[4:39] <JK-47> no kidding.
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[4:40] <JK-47> does gnuplot plot.plt work just from the commandline?
[4:40] <JK-47> provavly not.
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[4:40] <ponA> yes, that works
[4:40] <Broly> you're running that script as www-data?
[4:40] <Broly> whatever is making this call?
[4:40] <JK-47> gnuplot probably isnt in the path or needed libs arent
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[4:41] <Broly> sounds like a script for some user you've defined for maybe some web server stuff?
[4:41] <ponA> www-data should make the call, i'll use shell_excec(mkdir testdir) to confirm
[4:41] <Broly> and this web server is calling this script which runs gnu plot?
[4:41] <Broly> web server user, rather
[4:42] <ponA> the webserveruser www-data should run the script i think, let me check that really quick
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[4:42] <JK-47> https://github.com/Gregwar/GnuPlot
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[4:43] <ponA> okay, so shell_excec(mkdir testdir) created a new dir wich is owned by www-data
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[4:44] <Broly> [8:32:23 PM] <ponA> anyway, the user who execs the command is www-data, right?
[4:44] <ponA> also it created that folder in the root-folder of the website /var/www/html
[4:44] <Broly> ok so we've answered one question
[4:44] <Broly> so it has some elevated privileges
[4:44] <Broly> some that maybe your current user's group does not?
[4:45] <ponA> so i dont know why it fails, www-data executes the gnuplot plot.plt line and it can write to pictures
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[4:45] <ponA> if www-data can create files, why cant www-data execute gnuplot which creates a file?
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[4:46] <Broly> maybe it's not running programs at higher privs but is able to make writes to root
[4:46] <Broly> i assume this is possible with some group setup
[4:47] <Broly> i.e. maybe what gnu plot is trying to write is not elevated because it's a file that's being executed, whereas the other is purely a write.
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[4:47] <Broly> again that's just my own speculation
[4:48] <wiselydoesit> i'll +1 that theory
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[4:48] <ponA> i got the following file-setup /var/www/html/index.php, /var/www/html/pictures/, /var/www/html/gnuplot/
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[4:50] <ponA> i used chown www-data:pi /var/www/html/pictures/, chown www-data:pi /var/www/html/gnuplot/, chmod g+w /var/www/html/gnuplot and chmod g+w /var/www/html/pictures
[4:50] <ponA> so both folders have owner www-data and are in group pi
[4:51] <ponA> this already worked, but on wheezy :(
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[5:22] <Zythyr> How do I check which port my SSH of Rpi is set to?
[5:23] <leftyfb> Zythyr: it defaults to 22
[5:23] <leftyfb> Zythyr: but it also defaults to disabled
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[5:24] <Zythyr> leftyfb Thanks. Let me see if it works
[5:25] <Zythyr> leftyfb Thanks! its on 22
[5:27] <ponA> okay, uhm, i read somewhere that i should use the full path to gnuplot, not just "gnuplot plot.plt", so where did apt-get put it?
[5:29] * Broly /usr/local/bin? /usr/bin?
[5:30] <ponA> thx, i'll try that
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[5:32] <oq> Zythyr: to answer your question, type "nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config", there will be a line there that says "Port 22"
[5:33] <Zythyr> oq thanks :)
[5:33] <leftyfb> ponA: run: which gnuplot
[5:33] <oq> some people like to change the ssh port if its open to the internet so it's not as easily found by bots
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[5:34] <oq> it doesn't add more security, but it really helps cut down on the attacks
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[5:36] <ponA> OMG....
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[5:38] <ponA> Dang it, i cant believe this...
[5:38] <ponA> i ran shell_exec('gnuplot plot.plt') but it requires " " instead of ' '
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[5:40] <oq> ponA: it shouldn't make a difference unless you had some backslashes in there
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[5:42] <ponA> uhm, after the variables are resolved it reads: shell_exec("gnuplot gnuplot/plot.plt") so there is a forward slash
[5:44] <ponA> let me check that again...
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[5:45] <ponA> oq: i just went back to ' ' and it did not work, then i used " " again, it works now -.-
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[5:47] <Dr-007> good day. currently, i've got a 4GB SD card left where raspbmc is running on. i does not have raspi-config where i can manage the serial settings. but the latest build does not fit on the SD card itself. (i've got 2x 8GB card, but those dont work inside the PI, they seem to work inside my PC though)
[5:48] <Dr-007> anyway, is there a way to update the raspbmc to raspberry PIXEL? inside the PI
[5:48] <Dr-007> like apt-get upgrade
[5:49] <oq> isnt raspbmc abandonware?
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[5:50] <Dr-007> i dont know, i want to upgrade it, but it doesnt fit
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[5:50] <Dr-007> so am looking for ways to get the serial parts of my PI to work
[5:50] <Dr-007> thats it basicly
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[5:50] <Dr-007> when i ps -ax right now in raspbmc
[5:50] <oq> Dr-007: you should look at osmc
[5:50] <Dr-007> i see /sbin/getty -L ttyAMA0 115200 vt100
[5:50] <Dr-007> so i googled and they say use raspi-config to modify
[5:51] <ponA> i had this upgradproblem with my other Pi, too
[5:51] <Dr-007> but that doesnt exist
[5:51] <Dr-007> OSMC?
[5:51] <ball> Dr-007: What do you have it connected to?
[5:51] <ponA> i just bought a new sdcard, cost just a few bucks, i can recommend sandisk ultra 8gb
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[5:52] <ball> I would like an "ultra" card but probably need more than 8G.
[5:52] <Dr-007> ball, a router, tp-link 1043 v4. i fried my USB ttl
[5:52] <Dr-007> so i thought ill finish it with my raspberry pi serial TTL
[5:53] <ball> Does the router use 3V3 logic or 5V?
[5:53] <ball> (for the serial port)
[5:53] <Dr-007> none
[5:53] <Dr-007> you must not connect it
[5:53] <Dr-007> or the board will get too much juice
[5:53] <ball> Dr-007: What do you have in mind then?
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[5:54] <Dr-007> i have the RPi TX connected to the RX from router and the RX <> TX. and the ground to the ground
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[5:54] <Dr-007> that worked for me with the USB-TTL
[5:54] <Dr-007> (and putty in windows)
[5:54] <Dr-007> so i now connected the same stuff to the pins on the raspberry pi
[5:54] <ball> 5V TTL?
[5:55] <Dr-007> no 5V, no 3.3V
[5:55] <Dr-007> you dont have to connect that
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[5:55] <Dr-007> otherwise you give the router to much power
[5:55] <Dr-007> and will fry the whole thing
[5:55] <ball> Dr-007: You misunderstand me.
[5:55] <ball> Dr-007: pins such as TXD and RXD have a signal Voltage level
[5:55] <ball> ...what is that level?
[5:56] <Dr-007> i dont know
[5:56] <ball> It's a very good idea to find out.
[5:56] <ball> (if you want to avoid damage)
[5:56] <Dr-007> ? hmmkay
[5:56] <Dr-007> anyway, i already connected them
[5:56] <Dr-007> so the damage would already be done
[5:57] <ball> You may have already caused damage then.
[5:57] <Dr-007> i just want to read the serial port from the raspberry pi
[5:57] <ball> ...so you have TXD from the Pi to the RXD on the router
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[5:57] <Dr-007> but screen /dev/ttyAMA0 115200 is just jumping right out
[5:57] <Dr-007> and in my ps ax i see getty using /dev/ttyAMA0
[5:57] <ball> Define "jumping right out"
[5:57] <Dr-007> ball, that is correct
[5:58] <Dr-007> [screen is terminating]
[5:58] <Dr-007> pi@raspbmc:~$
[5:58] <ball> ...and you gave SG connected between the two devices?
[5:58] <Dr-007> i dont understanf
[5:58] <ball> SG is signal ground.
[5:58] <Dr-007> yes
[5:58] <ball> ok.
[5:59] <Dr-007> ground is connected
[5:59] <ball> ...so three wires between the two boards?
[5:59] <Dr-007> jep
[5:59] <Dr-007> so any idea how i can make getty stop utilizing that port?
[5:59] <ball> Dr-007: What OS do you run on your Raspberry Pi?
[6:00] <Dr-007> Linux raspbmc 3.12.31 #2 PREEMPT Wed Oct 29 09:24:56 UTC 2014 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[6:00] <ball> I'm not a Linux person but it might have an /etc/ttys file
[6:00] <ball> ...you could look for an answer in there.
[6:02] <Dr-007> nope doesnt exist
[6:02] <Dr-007> hehe
[6:02] <Dr-007> soo annoying
[6:02] <Dr-007> why did i fry my USB
[6:02] <ball> I don't know what the Linux people have done instead then.
[6:03] <ball> Hopefully someone here knows.
[6:03] <ball> FWIW, I just read something that says the serial port built into the Raspberry Pi uses 0V and +3.3V levels
[6:03] <ball> ...hopefully the router doesn't use 5V
[6:04] <ball> Are you sure getty is running on the serial port?
[6:04] <ball> That seems unusual.
[6:05] <ball> (given that you have a console on the HDMI or composite video port)
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[6:06] <sd-m> upside is chanches are high the 5v digital period has long been gone 3,3 is now already high think their down to 1,8 even for high speed
[6:06] <ball> Thanks sd-m, that's encouraging.
[6:06] <Dr-007> ball, i think raspberry pi / linux by default outputs the CLI environment on the raspberry pi TTL serial pins
[6:06] * ball remembers when a serial port meant +/- 12V ;-)
[6:06] <sd-m> that is true though so if router uses a max
[6:06] <ball> Dr-007: That's an odd choice but plausible.
[6:06] <Dr-007> so if you only connect the PINS to a USB TTL. then its like if you're using SSH
[6:07] <sd-m> converter then ure screwed
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[6:07] <sd-m> cause thats +12 - 12
[6:07] <sd-m> i think ?
[6:07] <Dr-007> ball, i will put 100euros on it
[6:07] <sd-m> or 0
[6:07] <sd-m> :P
[6:07] <ball> Dr-007: I have never seen a Euro.
[6:07] <Dr-007> well come quick, its going to dissapear soon
[6:08] <ball> Anyway, did you use 115,200 Baud with your old USB->TTL serial cable?
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[6:09] <Dr-007> yeeey, found it. vi /etc/init/ttyAMA0.conf
[6:09] <Dr-007> ball, you were in the ballpark
[6:09] <ball> Dr-007: Oh, which Pi is this btw?
[6:09] * ball park
[6:09] <Dr-007> eheh
[6:09] <Dr-007> the old
[6:11] <Dr-007> i am going to get this thing to work tonight damnit! allthough it is now 6:11AM, so its officially morning
[6:11] <Dr-007> but who cares
[6:12] <ball> Dr-007: Are you a member of the "tty" group?
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[6:12] <Dr-007> ah, improvement. screen isn't isnstantly closing anymore
[6:12] <Dr-007> no i'm not
[6:12] <Dr-007> you mean me in IRC
[6:13] <Dr-007> or the user in linux?
[6:13] <ball> No, in Linux on your Raspberry Pi.
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[6:17] <Dr-007> i think i wasn't. am using root now
[6:18] <Dr-007> hmm
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[6:22] <ball> I should build a 3.3V to RS-232 level shifter.
[6:22] <ball> ...and drag the old teletype out. :-D
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[6:24] <ball> Hello Zardoz
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[6:25] <Zardoz> hello
[6:26] <Broly> sup ball
[6:26] <Broly> it's so weird how berg is never here anymore :(
[6:26] <ball> Hello Broly
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[6:28] <ball> Is a Mark from the Raspberry Pi UART +3.3V and a space 0V?
[6:29] <ball> (should my level shifter invert?)
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[6:35] <Broly> night buddy!
[6:35] <Broly> god damnit
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[6:35] <Dr-007> did the TX and TR pin get switched on the V1 board among V1.1 V1.2 versions?
[6:35] <Dr-007> ah screw this
[6:36] <Dr-007> so is this new raspberry pi worth spending moneys on?
[6:37] <Dr-007> does it have audio in / out?
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[6:37] * Dr-007 googles raspberry pi 2
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[6:39] <Dr-007> it still has micro usb power?
[6:40] <Dr-007> i guess thats one of the things hobbyist should overcome first by soldering in another power supply
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[6:54] <Dr-007> oh wauw there's also a pi 3
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[7:30] <Zythyr> Need help. I am using Rpi for 3D printing application. Using SSH I call the command "fbi" to display my desired pattersn. For example "sudo fbi -T 1 pattern5.png". I repeat this every 5-10 seconds. The issue is that when I use the command "ps aux", it shows multilple "fbi" command processes taking up memory. How can I get rid of old fbi porcesses?
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[7:33] <redrabbit> is there any way to get mon mode from pi3 / pi0w wlan
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[8:11] <Voop> hey anyone wanna do 15 minutes of configuring for me for $
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[8:15] <Flynnn> "pip search spidev" gives me, in short, "SSLError"
[8:16] <Flynnn> and, actually, lately, I have been getting SSLError for just about everything
[8:16] <Flynnn> I have no idea what is going on. But it basically certificate verification *does not work* on my raspberry pi anymore, and I have no clue why
[8:16] <Flynnn> another snipped from the SSLError: "ssl.SSLError: [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed (_ssl.c:600)"
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[8:20] <bedah> broken ssl certificate chain, flynn http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25981703/pip-install-fails-with-connection-error-ssl-certificate-verify-failed-certi
[8:22] <ali1234> clever: i just booted my full raspbian ramdisk over tftp :)
[8:22] <ali1234> it worked unmodified
[8:23] <Flynnn> bedah: I've seen this, but the trouble is, I have no idea what to set as --trusted-host
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[8:27] <bedah> @flynn: --trusted-host pypi.python.org maybe.. but i don't know..
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[8:30] <Voop> hey anyone wanna do 15 minutes of configuring for me for $
[8:31] <Flynnn> It would be cool if wildcards were supported for that option
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[8:32] <Flynnn> bedah That, remarkably, worked! Thank you
[8:33] <bedah> yw
[8:33] <ali1234> what is it voop
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[8:34] <bedah> i've just googled network booting for raspi. it sounds nice, one pi as fileserver, many pis without sd cards booting over network. i need a pi-rack :)
[8:35] <Flynnn> graaahhhhhhh
[8:35] <Flynnn> I think I know what the problem was
[8:35] <Flynnn> my raspberry pi thinks that the current date is Sun May 17 06:10:44 UTC 2015
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[8:35] <bedah> ah.. wrong time, cert is not valid yet :)
[8:35] <oq> bedah: a pi fileserver??
[8:36] <oq> no sata, 100mbit, shared usb bus..
[8:37] <Flynnn> hahahahah yep, setting the date to today fixed it. Ugh
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[8:48] <Voop> ali1234: i need a wifi setup configured
[8:48] <Voop> ali1234: 1 wifi card (atheros) 2 subinterfaces
[8:48] <Voop> one client one AP
[8:48] <ali1234> i don't know how to do that sorry
[8:49] <Voop> makes two of us :p
[8:53] <Voop> ill ask later when theres more people around
[8:54] <Voop> ttyl
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[9:21] <amigojapan_bnc> hi, sorry noob question, if I use an 8A power supply for my rpi & official display m too much amps wont kill it right?
[9:22] <amigojapan_bnc> it is a USB charger
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[9:32] <SpeedEvil> amigojapan_bnc: If you sit on a table that can support 500kg, it does not mean you weight 500kg
[9:33] <SpeedEvil> Same with a power supply - if you connect a load to a power supply that can take more - as long as the height (voltage) remains constant, the current is whatever the load wants
[9:33] <amigojapan_bnc> ah ok SpeedEvil , thanks a lot, that is what I thought :) thanks for the clarification
[9:33] <amigojapan_bnc> sada
[9:35] <amigojapan_bnc> SpeedEvil: whiel I am at it I have a second question, I would like to power my RPI III with display on the go using a smartphone USB battery, but as far as I can see it only says 11mAh(3.7V), does this mean it will last less at 5v? and will this even be possible even if it is for a short time? or what kind of battery should I look for?
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[9:36] <SpeedEvil> Do you mean 11Ah?
[9:37] <amigojapan_bnc> SpeedEvil: sorry I meant 5200mAh(3.7v)
[9:37] <SpeedEvil> If so, that is ~5.2*3.7= about 20watt-hours.
[9:37] <SpeedEvil> At 5V, that provides 2A for 10 hours.
[9:37] <SpeedEvil> err
[9:37] <SpeedEvil> At 5V, that provides 2A for 2 hours.
[9:37] <amigojapan_bnc> SpeedEvil: can the battery provide 5V or does it mean it only provides 3.7v?
[9:38] <SpeedEvil> The battery contains an internal power converter which converts from the 3-4.2V of the battery to a 5V constant output
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[9:38] <amigojapan_bnc> ah ok SpeedEvil , that was my last question, thanks a lot :)
[9:39] <SpeedEvil> If you believe the capacity of the USB battery, many lies
[9:39] <amigojapan_bnc> SpeedEvil: I have used this battery with my iphone 4S for many years, for that phone it lets me use it very long constant use
[9:39] <amigojapan_bnc> maybe 8 hours or so constant use
[9:40] <amigojapan_bnc> s/or/of/
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[9:59] <ThinkingofPython> Anyone here use recalOS?
[9:59] <ThinkingofPython> its like retropie.
[10:00] <ThinkingofPython> Basically, it should connect via wifi or ethernet, and then you add games onto it by connecting to it remotely
[10:00] <ThinkingofPython> However, for some reason, it won't do that. Is it possible to just connect to it physically (either by adding games via the SD, or connecting the ethernet to my laptop to create a bridge?)
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[10:11] <ThinkingofPython> Or better yet, how do I even enable ethernet on the Recalbox?
[10:11] <ThinkingofPython> Seems to only have a wifi option
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[10:14] <amigojapan_bnc> SpeedEvil: I just ordered a cheero Power Plus 3 13400mAh by amazon japan, it says it does DC 5V 3.4A, using your formula taht should be 13.200*5 which is 66watt-Hours right?
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[10:17] * amigojapan_bnc will put his PI and stuff all in a breifcase for easy carrying, I did nto choose the PI-Top because I want my stuff to be very easy to service, like if the keyboard brakes, just replace it, anything that brakes with my setup, I can easily replace :)
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[10:28] <SpeedEvil> 13.4*3.7*0.9 or so in watt-hours
[10:29] <SpeedEvil> the 0.9 is efficiency of the PSU
[10:29] <SpeedEvil> (assuming for the moment the battery capacity is legit)
[10:29] <SpeedEvil> 13.4Ah*3.7V*95%
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[10:41] <brainzap> good morning raspberry pi owners
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[10:52] <Drzacek> ThinkingofPython, never heard of recalOS, maybe they also have irc channel? retropie actually runs on top of raspbian, so if you can get to console you can manage your connections like you normally would. No idea about recal os
[10:53] <Drzacek> brainzap, hello
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[10:54] <ThinkingofPython> Drzacek Hmm, I'll give it a try, I managed to just put the games on a USB and have them work
[10:55] <Drzacek> ThinkingofPython, https://github.com/recalbox/recalbox-os/wiki/Manual-%28EN%29#es-settings-network
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[10:56] <Drzacek> since they only mention wifi there, I assume the LAN port should work out of the box
[10:56] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah, heh. It doesn't though
[10:56] <ThinkingofPython> It's fine, I'll just use it offline for now
[10:57] <Drzacek> or edit recalbox.conf manualy
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[10:57] <ThinkingofPython> ^Just saw that. I'll try that in a bit
[10:58] <Drzacek> if you can get to console, try "ifconfig" and "ls /sys/class/net" (when your ethernet cable is plugged in)
[10:59] <ThinkingofPython> Will do. I'll try that in a bit, need to go grab dinner soon
[10:59] <Drzacek> ok
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[11:19] <amigojapan_bnc> I have the idea of stripping a large laptop of everything except the LCD screen, putting a driver board and an RPI inside and a keyboard and a trackpad… I realy like these breifcase PCs http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/briefcase-computer-by-yoshiwars-8.jpg
[11:20] * ShorTie wonders why you would down grade like that
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[11:27] <Ad0> what was the PPA / setting where avrdude has spidev enabled?
[11:27] <Ad0> or "linuxspi"
[11:27] <Drzacek> amigojapan_bnc, how will you drive your laptop LCD? they usually have propietary lvds signals/cabels. Doable with some fpga hacking, but thats just overkill. Just get a briefcase, get some cheap lcd monitor (like, with normal vga/hdmi/dvi input), dissasembly the case and try to squeeze it there
[11:27] <Ad0> ali1234: hey :)
[11:27] <Ad0> you directed me to some repository where the linuxspi enabled version was or something
[11:28] <ali1234> the foundation repo, yes
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[11:28] <Ad0> is that safe to add ?
[11:28] <amigojapan_bnc> brain this way https://youtu.be/yOHws0qBBmI
[11:28] <Ad0> or is there some catch to this?
[11:29] <amigojapan_bnc> no Drzacek you just buy a driver board for yout LCD thru aliexpress
[11:29] <ShorTie> or ebay
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[11:30] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah the LVDS situation used to be like that a few years ago, nowadays you can more often than not find someone selling boards to convert
[11:30] * Drzacek thinks, that the driver board itself cost more than used lcd monitor
[11:31] <Sonny_Jim> But agree it's normally a false economy, better to just buy a suitable LCD rather than farting around looking for LCDS convertor boards
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[11:31] <Drzacek> there were those board available last time I checked (2 years ago?), but they were around 50-60$
[11:31] <amigojapan_bnc> Drzacek: not on ali expresss, only 30+ USD or so
[11:31] <amigojapan_bnc> Drzacek: in the video I showed you it was done for 32 dollars for hte board
[11:32] <Drzacek> well, I can get the 15" monitors (used, but scraped down laptop won't give new lcd either) for 10euro here - not wide screen though, and they are usually 1024x768.
[11:32] <Drzacek> so I guess it is up to you
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[11:33] <Sonny_Jim> 4:3 ratio is actually pretty good for people doing CRT conversions
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[11:33] <amigojapan_bnc> Drzacek: in Tokyo I have a ton of junkyards in Akihabara… Perosnally I want to try to drive an apple retina display ipad screen, if it is a junk one, I can probably get it for close to nothing
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[11:34] <Sonny_Jim> Is the retina display marketing speak for 'the DPI is higher than the eye can detect'?
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[11:35] <shauno> that's the idea, yeah (at a given distance)
[11:35] <Drzacek> Sonny_Jim, its codename for "our hardware is more overpriced than your hardware"
[11:36] <Sonny_Jim> Not going to lie, I'm not really an Apple fan, but their displays are pretty darn good
[11:37] <Drzacek> amigojapan_bnc, I mean, it would be great to reuse those displays, there are tons of them in broken laptops, so you can get them cheap/for free, and it would be good for environment to recycle some stuff too, but for me it's not yet cheap enough to play with high speed driver boards. But I consider everything that is >2EURO from aliexpress to be expensive
[11:37] <Sonny_Jim> I remember when I worked at a low volume manufacturer of ATC displays during the early 2000's when people were switching from CRT to LCD. It was cheaper for us to go out and buy a cinema display, heatgun it open and remove the panel than it was to order the same panel direct from the manufacturer. Also meant we were getting A or B grade panels, rather than the crap they would send us
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[11:39] <amigojapan_bnc> ah ok Drzacek , but basically you are not able to make the thing i want, how else would you build a bfeicase computer?
[11:40] <Drzacek> I'm not saying that you shouldn't. I also often do things just because I wan't/can, and they are not economicaly justified
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[11:41] <Drzacek> it seems you know what you doing, so keep us informed, I would like to see your project when its ready
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> morning Pi pips.
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[11:52] <amigojapan_bnc> Drzacek: I think it is way more economically justified than buying a laptop computer
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[11:53] <Drzacek> morning gordonDrogon
[11:54] <amigojapan_bnc> Drzacek: also, by using a mac mini, a NUC or an RPI you can totally change the kind of computer you are using, you could probably carry all three kinds of computers in your breifcase, which would be really powerful
[11:56] <ali1234> why tho?
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[11:56] <amigojapan_bnc> Drzacek: if you are going ot call anything over 2USD “not justified” I dont think we are in the same planet
[11:56] <ali1234> why would it ever be preferable to use the mac mini or the rpi?
[11:57] <Drzacek> amigojapan_bnc, I'm trying to get my hands on some cheap netbook (those 10" thingys). Since they are now getting old and slow, I hope that someone would sell those cheap. Since I don't need any fancy OS I could go just fine with some lighweith linux system, perfect for my needs when "on the go"
[11:57] <amigojapan_bnc> ali1234: the mac mini could build mac apps and iOS apps, the RPI is a bit less justified, maybe for when you want to be on low power
[11:57] <ali1234> Ad0: the foundation repo is quite safe to add. in fact it should be added by default on raspbian
[11:57] <Drzacek> low power usage on rpi is good argument here
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> Drzacek, I'm still using my old Acer Aspire One ...
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> although it is quite slow.
[11:58] <ali1234> Ad0: it's not safe to add if you are not using raspbian
[11:58] <amigojapan_bnc> Drzacek: all my computers are like that, you would like the “Electric town” in Akihabara Tokyo, I can get netbooks or thinkpads for about 30-50USD
[11:59] <Drzacek> I guess shipping to germany would make those prices skyrocket :D
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[11:59] <ali1234> Drzacek: get a thinkpad x220. it's worth the extra money, trust me
[11:59] <Drzacek> I saw many old laptops here for under 50 euro, but no small netbook
[11:59] <Ad0> ali1234: I use raspbian
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[11:59] <amigojapan_bnc> Drzacek: you could not even power a mac mini or a NUC withought ocnnecting it to the electricity I dont think… so deffinitly, youc an just carry batteries for the RPI
[12:00] <Ad0> will it overwrite / replace the other avrdude then
[12:00] <ali1234> Ad0: yeah
[12:00] <Ad0> and where is it, really?
[12:00] <Drzacek> rpi has this downside that it is not x86 platform
[12:00] <ali1234> Ad0: what do you mean?
[12:00] <Ad0> the repo
[12:00] <ali1234> it's... on the internet?
[12:00] <Ad0> yeah but what is it's name?
[12:01] <ali1234> it doesn't have a name
[12:01] <ali1234> it's the raspberry pi foundation repo
[12:01] <amigojapan_bnc> ali1234: I had one of those for 100USD at akihabara
[12:01] <Ad0> I have to do some kind of action to have this version of avrdude
[12:01] <Ad0> hehe
[12:01] <amigojapan_bnc> Drzacek: that is only a downside because of hte popularity of x86, that is like saying windows is better than Linux cause it has more programs
[12:01] <ali1234> amigojapan_bnc: well they are only about £150 in the UK
[12:01] <Ad0> or you have to live the rest of your life in horror that I bitbang SPI :)
[12:02] <ali1234> Ad0: i don't understand why that repo is not already enabled for you
[12:02] <ali1234> can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:02] <Ad0> ok
[12:02] <Drzacek> amigojapan_bnc, its a downside if you require to use some programs that you can't compile for arm platform. Beside that, doesn't matter what platform
[12:02] <Ad0> wait a minute...
[12:02] <Ad0> deb http://apt.adafruit.com/raspbian/ jessie main
[12:03] <ali1234> wat
[12:03] <Ad0> that shouldn't really be there
[12:03] <ali1234> probably not no
[12:03] <ali1234> so now i know what the problem is
[12:03] <Ad0> that probably is the problem...
[12:03] <amigojapan_bnc> Drzacek: well, if people just migrated to open source arm platforms that problem would be solved
[12:03] <ali1234> yes
[12:03] <ali1234> raspbian has avrdude without SPI
[12:03] <ali1234> rpif repo has a slightly higher version with SPI
[12:03] <Drzacek> arm is not powerfull enough to compare with x86 in some aplications
[12:03] <ali1234> and adafruit has an even higher version without SPI
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[12:04] <Ad0> ok
[12:04] <ali1234> Ad0: confirm this by running "apt-cache policy avrdude"
[12:04] <Ad0> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie main contrib non-free rpi
[12:04] <ali1234> (to pastebin)
[12:04] <amigojapan_bnc> Drzacek: ok, that is true, there were comparable things in the past like Power PC
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> what's the whinging about avrdude?
[12:04] <ali1234> dont paste it here, install pastebinit
[12:04] <ali1234> and pipe stuff to it
[12:04] <amigojapan_bnc> Drzacek: and Sparc
[12:04] <Ad0> http://pastebin.com/VeZJPqyr
[12:05] <ali1234> yes
[12:05] <Ad0> indeed
[12:05] <ali1234> *** indicates installed version
[12:05] <ali1234> because it has the highest version number
[12:05] <Ad0> right
[12:05] <Ad0> I will get rid of it
[12:05] <ali1234> you want 6.1-2+rpi1
[12:05] <ali1234> you can use apt pinning if you dont want to uninstall that adafruit repo
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> I patched a somewhat old one to bit-bang program - it did use the SPI pins for future compatibility, but it was trivial to patch. went fast too.
[12:05] <ali1234> it must be there for a reason
[12:06] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: the rpif repo has a version patched with both GPIO and SPI support
[12:06] <amigojapan_bnc> Drzacek: I was really amazed that the RPI3 can actually playa cceptable youtube video (except when it is full screen)
[12:06] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: but it's being shadowed here by the one in adafruit's repo, which does not have SPI for some reason
[12:06] <Ad0> I want as little as possible
[12:07] <Ad0> I don't even want desktop :P
[12:07] <ali1234> it's usually the best way to go
[12:07] <Ad0> I also saw that wolfram is installed
[12:07] <ali1234> you can remove that
[12:07] <ali1234> or use raspbian-lite
[12:07] <Ad0> yeah wolfram is freakin' huge
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[12:07] <sd-m> if thats the 4 core 1 gb one did you put the cpu govenor in preformance to ?
[12:07] <sd-m> cause you get some extra juice that way
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[12:09] <gordonDrogon> I don't really see any issues with avrdude - bit-bang/spi/serial/etc. seems like a lot to fuss over ...
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[12:17] <Ad0> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRyHspVCuws
[12:17] <Ad0> bit bang vs native spi battle
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[12:24] <gordonDrogon> Ad0, no... that's another dude with a webcam blowing stuff up...
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[12:32] <Ad0> hehe
[12:32] <Ad0> yes
[12:32] <Ad0> ali1234: now I got SPI
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> and is it any faster than bit-banging?
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[12:35] <tga> greetings
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> good time of day to you ....
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[12:35] <tga> any tips for a good ~5" non-touch display?
[12:36] <tga> I need to stuff it in a case that's ~4.75" x 3.75"
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> get touch one and don't connect the touch up?
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> adafruit have a 5" HDMI display (with touch) that I've used - seemed OK.
[12:37] <tga> yeah ok, the point was that I don't need touch, it's not like it bothers me
[12:37] <tga> yeah, they have one without touch too, but it's kinda expensive
[12:37] <tga> that's my default atm, it should fit just barely
[12:37] <tga> looking on aliexpress for alternatives
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> make sure you get hdmi.
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> actually, you could get one with VGA input and use Gert's VGA board.
[12:39] <tga> oh looks like I found a bunch of imports on amazon, funny how they all sell the same stuff under different names
[12:39] <tga> 35 eur vs 60 eur, already better
[12:39] <tga> and they're touch screens too
[12:39] <tga> well, some are
[12:40] <tga> https://www.amazon.de/Waveshare-Inch-Resolution-Raspberry-Model/dp/B01HPV7D38
[12:40] <tga> what do you think of something like this?
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[12:41] <gordonDrogon> not sure who you are asking but I will always buy locally and never from an import. That way, I have sales rights, the right to return if faulty, etc. and I can get it the next day.
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> and I'm prepared to pay a little more for that.
[12:42] <Habbie> i always weigh the savings against that
[12:42] <Habbie> i've lost a few bucks on aliexpress
[12:42] <Habbie> most sellers are great
[12:42] <tga> well this is why I'm looking at amazon now, these are local resellers and they have to take it back if it's broken
[12:42] <tga> + 2 day wait vs 1 month
[12:42] <tga> but reseller is one thing, adafruit 3x price is another
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[12:43] <tga> more like 3x price + importer markup, I still need to get it here
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> there are European sellers of Pi stuff too...
[12:44] <tga> yes, and they markup adafruit prices
[12:44] * tga checks pimoroni
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/hdmi-5-display-backpack-without-touch ... �60 though.
[12:45] <tga> yeah, $75 on adafruit
[12:45] <tga> do you think this is the same as the amazon one I posted earlier?
[12:46] <tga> in practical terms
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> functionality ought to be the sa,e
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> same.
[12:46] <tga> https://www.amazon.de/Waveshare-Inch-Resolution-Raspberry-Model/dp/B01HPV7OEG
[12:46] <tga> funny they're showing it running win7 o.O
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> both 800x480.
[12:47] <tga> right, do you think I'm missing something here or it's just the brand name?
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[12:49] <gordonDrogon> it's really hard to know.
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> e.g. the APA102 LED driver chip...
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[12:50] <tga> the zero should be able to drive this directly, right?
[12:50] * tga checks
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> you order one from .cn and they ship you not geniune APA102's but "clone" SK9822's instead.
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[12:51] <tga> I'm trying to make a photo frame, I guess a zero w should be enough
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[12:51] <gordonDrogon> the zero ought to be the same as all other Pi's.
[12:51] <tga> as in hdmi output
[12:51] <tga> some pis don't have it, right?
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> I've not had any issues with the Zero's I've used on HDMI screens.
[12:52] <tga> cool, the size is perfect for my needs
[12:52] <tga> a 3 might not fit easily
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> for a simple photo frame application, a Zero is more than enough.
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[12:54] <tga> cha-ching, a zero w it is
[12:56] <tga> heh, "$10"
[12:56] <tga> $10 becomes €10, becomes €24 with accessories, €30 with shipping
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[12:57] <tga> €40 with sd card
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> I've seen cases more expensive than the Zero-W.
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> some PSUs are even more expnsive than the Zero..
[13:01] <tga> yes, 700W ones ;)
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[13:02] <tga> it's crazy if you think about it, a piece of plastic costs more than a full computer
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[13:02] <ali1234> the typical set of accessories are only about $3 on ebay
[13:03] <ali1234> otg cable, mini hdmi cable, and 40 pin header
[13:03] <tga> and psu?
[13:03] <ali1234> the official PSU is what $7.50?
[13:05] <tga> the local guys are selling zero w + psu + otg + hdmi adapter + header for 25 eur + 6 shipping
[13:06] <ali1234> in UK that would get you the zero w, official case, official power supply, and a SD card
[13:06] <bedah> i forgot the password to one of my PIs. stupid me, will have to fix /etc/shadow -_-
[13:06] <phil42> how is the zerostem doing?
[13:07] <ali1234> not bad i am cleaning up the boards
[13:07] <tga> I can order from pimoroni, the shipping is the same
[13:07] <tga> and I don't need a case, it goes in a device
[13:07] <brainzap> how big is 3.5 inch
[13:07] <phil42> i'd like to have 2 of them
[13:07] <ali1234> about this big <----------------------------------------------->
[13:08] <bedah> same size like a 3.5 inch floppy disk :/
[13:08] <brainzap> we need to sync our font size and monitor DPI for this to work
[13:08] <ali1234> i've cleaned 25 out of 40 panels
[13:09] <ali1234> the cut vias turned inside out and have to be scraped out
[13:09] <phil42> i could clean them and solder the connectors on
[13:11] <ali1234> its kind of trick to do it without ripping out the via
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[13:11] <phil42> the old ones look so nice in the pictures
[13:12] <ali1234> these ones are a bit rougher tbh
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[13:13] <ali1234> but oshpark would not be economical unless you want to pay £20 for the kit
[13:13] <balor> My rpi3 (jessie, latest updates) is running a wifi hotspot on onboard wlan0. Power management is off, but client machines see the wifi network dropping frequently. This does not happen with a USB dongle in wlan1. What's causing wlan0 to drop?
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[13:17] <Verity> Was anyone really into making things with rpi
[13:18] <Verity> but then they started school
[13:18] <Verity> and it sucked away all the time and motivation?
[13:18] <Verity> or is my story unique
[13:18] <Verity> When can I come home again =\
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[13:19] <ShorTie> so real life took over play time, how amazing
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[13:22] <Verity> ShorTie, no
[13:23] <Verity> You also failed to answer either question posed
[13:23] <Verity> and you're the same dirtbag you were a year ago
[13:23] <Verity> !next
[13:23] <ali1234> if you were making things with rpi before you started school
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[13:23] <ali1234> then does that mean you are 11?
[13:24] <Verity> Troll #2
[13:24] <Verity> !next
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[13:25] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[13:25] <Sonny_Jim> What's the actual question?
[13:26] <bedah> Verity, my schooltiime is long ago. i've learnt some things at home before it was tought at school. and everything i was thought in school was boring XD
[13:27] <Verity> Sonny_Jim, What strategies do you employ to balance time between work and personal projects (which have potential commercial prospects)
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[13:28] <bedah> doing side projects after work is hard, when the busywork at your jobs drains your brain
[13:28] <Sonny_Jim> And this is related to the Pi in what way, exactly?
[13:28] <Verity> Not sure if serious
[13:28] <petn-randall> Hi, I've accidentally activated the opengl driver in raspi-config, and now my RPi3 boot cleanly. Where can I disable that setting in the filesystem?
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[13:29] <gordonDrogon> petn-randall, run raspi-config again?
[13:30] <petn-randall> gordonDrogon: I can't, it's stuck in boot, and I can't ssh in. The networking doesn't seem to come up.
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> petn-randall, ah, ok - I suspect a little typo there. mount the SD in another PC and have a look at /boot/config.txt
[13:30] <petn-randall> I also don't get any terminals when I plug in a HDMI screen. Looks like it's stuck in the middle of the boot.
[13:31] <bedah> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=140865 looks like a older problem
[13:31] <petn-randall> gordonDrogon: Looking at it right now, what setting should I touch?
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> petn-randall, really don't know, as I've never tried the gl thing - is there anything obvious there or in /boot/cmdline.txt ?
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[13:33] <petn-randall> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p7 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait plymouth.enable=0
[13:33] <Verity> Sonny_Jim, were you going to answer?
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> petn-randall, that looks 'normal' ...
[13:33] <Verity> <Sonny_Jim> What's the actual question?<Sonny_Jim> What's the actual question?
[13:33] <Verity> <Verity> Sonny_Jim, What strategies do you employ to balance time between work and personal projects (which have potential commercial prospects)
[13:33] <Verity> that is
[13:34] <petn-randall> Doesn't look like it's there, either ...
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> that would be the obvious places to look - after that, sorry - really don't know. I'd have to start googling myself at this point...
[13:34] <petn-randall> Hmm, ok
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> although having a look at the source to raspi-config and seeing what it does might help...
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[13:36] <gordonDrogon> it looks like it's adding dtoverlay into /boot/config.txt - vc4...
[13:37] <bedah> Verity, my best advice: separate work from own projects. do nothing private at work, do nothing from work at home. when at home, first work on project, only after that read private emails and do social network stuff
[13:37] <petn-randall> gordonDrogon: Indeed, just arrived to the same conclusion. I'll try changing that. Thanks!
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> petn-randall, you can probably comment-out most of the dtoverlays in config.txt.
[13:38] <Verity> Thank you bedah.
[13:38] <Verity> You're a decent human being
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[13:39] <bedah> i thought about: getting up early, work on own projects, then got to work. but that did not work out, i stay up to long in the evening
[13:39] <petn-randall> Hehehehe, you're not the only one doing that :)
[13:40] <bedah> also i'm member of the local hackerspace. but there is too much distraction, more inspiration than concentration
[13:41] <Habbie> bedah, i have the same with working in the office vs working at home
[13:42] <Habbie> bedah, at home i have concentration; in the office indeed i get inspiration
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> my offices are in my home.
[13:42] <Habbie> the first 3 years i had this job my only office was the home office as well
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[14:19] <trqx> hi, https://pinout.xyz/pinout/speaker_phat does it mean I only have to solder pins 3, 5, 35, 2, 12, and 40 plus any ground?
[14:21] <ali1234> no
[14:22] <ali1234> i mean yes
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[14:26] <brainzap> the amount of money I lose by being in this channel is too high
[14:27] <Drzacek> we have now subscription fees?
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[14:27] <brainzap> I thought you had to buy one raspberry pi each month
[14:27] <GeekOfflineNL> no you just have to buy each and every model that comes to the market at least once :-)
[14:27] <phil42> you do have to buy every new version
[14:28] <brainzap> no I don't, I should *grabs credit card*
[14:28] <phil42> except compute modules
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[14:29] <GeekOfflineNL> and except when you live in the netherlands, because you simply cannot buy any zero's anywhere :-|
[14:30] <phil42> you should get at least one
[14:30] <phil42> they are kind of fun
[14:30] <phil42> i run my irc client on it
[14:31] <brainzap> Ask the germans, maybe they have some
[14:31] <phil42> ask the brits
[14:31] <brainzap> lets keep it in the EU
[14:31] <phil42> there were new distributors when zero w was released
[14:31] <GeekOfflineNL> LOL :-)
[14:33] <phil42> but be prepared to pay almost 20US for a zero w (including shipping)
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> plenty of Zeros in-stock here: https://shop.pimoroni.com/search?type=product&q=zero
[14:35] <GeekOfflineNL> yeah right gordonDrogon for that price i buy a pi3B
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> but you wanted a Pi Zero... Who in .eu has them ?
[14:36] <GeekOfflineNL> true :-)
[14:36] <brainzap> just buy a pi3 and remove the network port, same result
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[14:38] <gordonDrogon> and saws it in hanf ...
[14:39] <nitpe> I've bought a pi3 on ebay, 2 months after that nothing of my pi yet :(
[14:39] <nitpe> just to save 10 bucks, it does not worth
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> plenty of Pi3's everywhere. and v2's.
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[15:09] <Ad0> has anyone had problems with PI and power outages?
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[15:11] <GeekOfflineNL> noop, just sometimes a yellow lightinflash in the upper right corner
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> Ad0, until very recently no issues whatsoever. However this year, I've lost 3 SD cards due to outages - well, not real power outages, but "pulling the plug" on a Pi to reboot it )-:
[15:12] <Ad0> ok
[15:12] <Ad0> looking for a solution to prevent that from happening :)
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> at the weekend I was regularly pulling the plug on my Pi 0W to get it to re-sync the wi-fi without any issues.
[15:12] <Ad0> I have pulled the plug on my PI a number of times
[15:12] <Ad0> but I don't touch the disk
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> Ad0, there are many power packs / UPS things for the Pi.
[15:13] <Ad0> but how will they notify the system
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> via a gpio pin, usually.
[15:15] <shauno> if you're pulling the power when you need to reboot, isn't a ups solving the wrong problem?
[15:16] <ali1234> i building a ramdisk
[15:17] <ali1234> sd card is not accessed after it is loaded
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[15:18] <shauno> I mean, it could be as simple as button->gpio->reboot
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[15:21] <GeekOfflineNL> shauno and Ad0 i think you are looking more in the lines of this: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/add-reset-switch-raspberry-pi/
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[15:31] <sky> is there a way to set /etc/default/keyboard layout with config.txt?
[15:31] <sky> also how you turn off xwin at boot in the raspi-config
[15:31] <sky> that is, can ya do it form config.txt
[15:32] <Lartza> Why do you have to do everything fron config.txt? -.-
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[15:32] <Lartza> *from
[15:32] <Lartza> also raspi-config isn't solely for interacting with config.txt if that's what you think
[15:33] <Lartza> There are things raspi-config can do that you can't do in config.txt
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[15:33] <Lartza> And the answer to both of the questions is no afaik
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[15:39] <sky> Lartza: wanted to setup a couple devices in the same wa
[15:40] <sky> id like to deploy a kbd layout setting, config file, bashrc, file and a script to each device
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[15:41] <leftyfb> sky: make your settings, take an image of the sd card, image new sd card with that image
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[15:48] <dedcat> hey guys, I just got the rpi zero w, but I'm struggling to set up the serial console
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[15:49] <GeekOfflineNL> you lucky <PIEP>
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[15:50] <dedcat> in the default raspbian cmdline.txt, it sets up console=serial0
[15:51] <dedcat> which doesn't exist on my 0w, there is a serial1 though
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[15:51] <dedcat> tried pointing it to both serial1, and ttyAMA0, but neither work
[15:52] <clever> ali1234: nice
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[16:09] <alkisg> Hi, I'm trying to netboot my raspberry by following https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/net_tutorial.md
[16:09] <alkisg> But it hangs at the rainbow screen after it loads the following files: autoboot.txt [not found], config.txt [OK], recovery.elf [not found], start.elf [OK], fixup.dat [OK]
[16:09] <alkisg> I'm using the files from the raspbian BOOT partition. Any troubleshooting ideas?
[16:12] <alkisg> It's a raspberry pi 2, with an sdcard that only has bootcode.bin from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/raw/next/boot/bootcode.bin
[16:13] <GeekOfflineNL> can a PI2 do netboot?
[16:13] <dedcat> alkisg: you need start.elf
[16:13] <dedcat> GeekOfflineNL: no
[16:14] <GeekOfflineNL> dedcat, that's what i thought
[16:14] <alkisg> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/pi-3-booting-part-ii-ethernet-all-the-awesome/ says that rpi2 can netboot with bootcode.bin in the sd card
[16:14] <GeekOfflineNL> so alkisg has a pi 2 ...
[16:14] <alkisg> If it's not true, I shouldn't be trying it :)
[16:14] <alkisg> It did manage to download those files though
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[16:15] <GeekOfflineNL> ah i see :-)
[16:15] <alkisg> GeekOfflineNL: so, should I stop trying? :)
[16:16] <dedcat> are you guys talking about PXE?
[16:16] <mfa298> alkisg: have you used the files from the github next branch I think that documentation links to
[16:16] <mfa298> the files in the normal raspbian distriburions won't work
[16:16] <alkisg> Yes, PXE
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[16:16] <alkisg> mfa298: no, I didn't, could you please give me a link?
[16:17] <mfa298> alkisg: it should be in the documentation for usb/network boot
[16:17] <GeekOfflineNL> http://irq5.io/2016/08/10/netbooting-your-raspberry-pi/ <--this guy is talking about some bugs in the bootrom code and how to get things going anyway
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[16:17] <mfa298> I dont know what it is off hand
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[16:18] <alkisg> mfa298: I did spend some time reading them but I couldn't find them; thanks, will check better
[16:18] <dedcat> okay so
[16:18] <dedcat> chainloading pxe should work fine
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[16:18] <dedcat> but you still need the firmware files on the sdcard in order to chain it
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[16:19] <alkisg> GeekOfflineNL: that link ends with "there's also uboot and kexec" without mentioning any troubleshooting hints
[16:19] * alkisg searches for the "github next branch"...
[16:20] <alkisg> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/next/boot
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[16:21] <mfa298> alkisg: maybe also read throguh some of the bits on https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/
[16:21] <mfa298> the network boot is an extension on usb booting
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[16:22] <alkisg> Yup that was my starting point
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[16:22] <sky> Lartza: oh yea, smart :)
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[16:23] <Lartza> leftyfb, ^
[16:24] <leftyfb> Lartza: ?
[16:24] <Lartza> sky's response was for you I think
[16:24] <Lartza> :D
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[16:24] <leftyfb> oh
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[16:24] <sky> no it was for you..
[16:25] <sky> imaging the setup card
[16:25] <sky> thanks for the tip
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[16:26] <RoBo_V> I have onvif IP camera ready to configure on pi, not able to find steps to configure. Any help.
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[16:30] <sky> RoBo_V: what step are you on
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[16:32] <RoBo_V> well first I found that i have subnet other than 192.168.1.xx but camera default IP is so changed that temprarory. Idk if I can assign different subnet to it. The software along is not working very good.
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[16:32] <RoBo_V> I have ip and now trying to find command to rtsp, omxplayer or mp player to get stream atleast, but not luck so far.
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[16:34] <alkisg> Receiving objects: 0% (1157/198743), 34.95 MiB | 165.00 KiB/s
[16:34] <alkisg> ...any tips on how to download that next firmware folder, without waiting for 1 day? :(
[16:35] <alkisg> I used this: git clone https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware --branch next --single-branch
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[16:40] <alkisg> Ah, the .zip download has 8 MB/sec speed, it should finish soonish...
[16:48] <alkisg> Much better, now it tries to download kernel7.img and fails; I even managed to see some text on screen
[16:48] * alkisg retries...
[16:48] <alkisg> error 0 Early terminate received from | failed sending /var/lib/tftpboot/kernel7.img to | file /var/lib/tftpboot/armstub.bin not found
[16:49] <alkisg> sent /var/lib/tftpboot/kernel7.img to
[16:49] <alkisg> Yey :)
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[16:50] <alkisg> OK I got a kernel panic, but that's due to rootfs missing, I can take it from here
[16:50] <alkisg> Thank you mfa298, thank you all
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[16:58] <bub_> Anyone using a bitcoinclient on the Raspberry Pi 3?
[16:58] <bub_> If you do, which one?
[16:59] <bub_> just installed electrum wallet using apt-get .. was able to receive bitcoins, but not send them (version too old) .. cool..
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[17:01] <Chillum> bub_: you will want the latest version, the repos are behind
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[17:02] <Chillum> https://electrum.org/#download <-- add the pip source for the newer version
[17:02] <Chillum> the old one will not pay enough transaction fees and your transactions will get stuck for 2-3 days
[17:02] <Chillum> it is good it refuses to send
[17:03] <bub_> ok, good.. god damnit
[17:03] <bub_> remove the .deb if it's unusable
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[17:05] <bub_> uhm, getting errors.. of course
[17:07] <Chillum> did you install the dependencies?
[17:07] <Chillum> I have done it on mint but not raspbian, but they are very similar
[17:07] <bub_> I did what the readme said
[17:07] <bub_> python-qt4 and python-pip
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[17:09] <bub_> is it easy to just copy the wallet.dat somewhere else.. ?
[17:10] <bub_> eg. copy the wallet.dat to a PC and install electrum there instead
[17:10] <bub_> it's been a while since I last did anything with bitcoins
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[17:11] <bub_> ah man.. and newer version can't read old wallet.dat .. I criez..
[17:11] <Chillum> later versions should have no problem recognizing your wallet
[17:11] <Chillum> however, you can load the old version and export the seed
[17:12] <Chillum> and use recover on the newer version with that seed
[17:12] <Chillum> if not
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[17:14] <bub_> I get IO-error.. can't read wallet..
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[17:15] <Chillum> oh dear
[17:15] <Chillum> much money?
[17:15] <choki> Why I can't run a systemd service as a --user?
[17:15] <choki> I always get: Failed to connecto to D-Bus
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[17:15] <choki> I want to run a systemd --user service
[17:16] <Chillum> instability of clients over time is one of the reasons I manually backup private keys for large amounts stored a long time
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[17:19] <bub_> Yeah I remember I had the same problem with the original bitcoinclient back in the days
[17:19] <bub_> I just don't remember what I had to do.. but what I do remember is I paid the dude 5BTC for helping me out.. haha
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[17:19] <bub_> wasn't much back then.. not too much now either.. but it's an okidok payment
[17:20] <choki> lol no
[17:20] <Rickta59> ? i 1 btc in usd seems to be ~6k
[17:20] <Rickta59> ? 5 btc in usd seems to be ~6k
[17:20] <choki> 5 btc is like.... a lot money!
[17:20] <choki> oh
[17:20] <choki> wut?
[17:20] <Rickta59> * that was from google
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[17:25] <Chillum> ya, I am regretting buying those socks for 1BTC back when it was $20 each
[17:25] <Chillum> like $1600 now in CAD
[17:25] <Chillum> socks have worn out
[17:26] <selckin> and i regret not buy google and apple stock, #useless
[17:27] <bub_> I bought 500+ BTC when it was ~0.7$
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[17:30] <Chillum> ya, I only got in around $20. Still
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[17:31] <bub_> yeah, still early
[17:31] <bub_> all spent on SR though.. most of it
[17:32] <bub_> I also lost 50+BTC on mybitcoinwallet.com .. or whatever it was called.. exitscam.. hehe
[17:32] <bub_> far worse things happened on mt.gox ..
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[17:33] <shiftplusone> heh.... I opened a mtgox account about a week before all that went down
[17:33] <shiftplusone> was going to stock up on bitcoins, but they rejected my passport scan for whatever reason. Lucky.
[17:33] <Chillum> lol, buys bitcoins worth $600k for pennies, spends it on a few hundred worth of drugs
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[17:34] <Chillum> that should be memed
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[17:58] <tga> any idea whether there is any video call solution that could easily work unattended on a rpi?
[17:58] <tga> 1) video call that I can start with a script, no interaction
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[17:59] <tga> 2) would work on a rpi, preferably zero w
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[17:59] <tga> I'm looking at video streaming solutions, I guess I could start one each way, the problem is min 2s lag apparently
[18:00] <tga> good for streaming, not so good for talking
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[18:02] <kihis> tga: what are you building?
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[18:04] <jancoow> Hi there. I can't use pi4j on a read only file system
[18:04] <jancoow> I think the issue is that the tmp folder also is read only
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[18:05] <jancoow> Is it possible to only make tmp write able in ram ?
[18:05] <jancoow> Because i'm network booting with nfs
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[18:06] <kihis> jancoow: put /tmp on a tmpfs
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[18:06] <kihis> jancoow: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nodev,nosuid,size=50M 0 0
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[18:07] <jancoow> that's exactly where I was looking for!
[18:07] <jancoow> thanks, great!
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[18:08] <kihis> jancoow: not sure if that works tho
[18:10] <scratch69> Hello, I just got a raspberry pi zero w and it is refusing to send a signal to my monitor through HDMI. I flashed the latest NOOBS onto an 8GB microSD card and everything was connected before powering. The power LED is a solid green no flashing but it did flash for a few seconds.
[18:11] <jancoow> kihis: mm. The /tmp folder at least. But got more problems. Could not instantiate I2CBus, Cannot open file handle for /dev/i2c
[18:11] <jancoow>
[18:11] <jancoow> this is because the /dev folder is also network booted :/
[18:11] <scratch69> also my zero is running very hot :(
[18:11] <kihis> it shouldn't be
[18:11] <jancoow> kihis: yeah. Should I also place my /dev folder in ram?
[18:11] <jancoow> 50mb would be enough?
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[18:12] <kihis> jancoow: i dont know. try
[18:12] <jancoow> oh wait, you are right.
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[18:13] <jancoow> kihis: http://pastebin.com/zH6FveAe
[18:13] <jancoow> it is in tmp
[18:13] <jancoow> tmpfs*
[18:13] <kihis> seems to be
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[18:15] <jancoow> stupid me.
[18:15] <jancoow> New boot folder
[18:15] <jancoow> forget to config
[18:15] <kihis> ...
[18:15] <jancoow> -.-
[18:15] <jancoow> so i2c not enabled
[18:15] <jancoow> great
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[18:21] <redrabbit> i have sub 500ms lag with rtsp
[18:21] <redrabbit> for tga
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[18:22] <scratch69> does anyone know why my zero won't send a signal to my hdmi monitor?
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[18:24] <shiftplusone> scratch69: bad adapter?
[18:24] <redrabbit> doesi ti works headless
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[18:25] <scratch69> shiftplusone I got it to work once but then it never worked again :(
[18:25] <shiftplusone> idk. 'just works' here without anything fancy. Got SSH set up to investigate what's going on?
[18:26] <shiftplusone> Try flashing an image first (and enable SSH)
[18:26] <scratch69> yeah I flashed NOOBS onto it
[18:26] <shiftplusone> No, not noobs
[18:26] <scratch69> oh
[18:26] <shiftplusone> the raspbian image
[18:26] <scratch69> kk
[18:27] <scratch69> also is it normal for the zero to run very hot?
[18:27] <redrabbit> no.
[18:27] <shiftplusone> Define 'very hot'?
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[18:27] <redrabbit> should run cool
[18:27] <scratch69> I can't touch the SD connector because its too hot
[18:27] <scratch69> basically
[18:27] <redrabbit> ah.
[18:28] <shiftplusone> some sd cards get hot, but I haven't had it too hot to touch.
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[18:28] <scratch69> no it isn't the sd card
[18:28] <scratch69> its the metal connectors
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[18:28] <scratch69> usb/hdmi/sd
[18:28] <kihis> try another sd card with raspbian
[18:29] <scratch69> will do
[18:29] <shiftplusone> ... the connectors aren't active elements O_o
[18:29] <shiftplusone> where's the heat coming from?
[18:29] <kihis> if it's hot, unplug it
[18:30] <shiftplusone> I wouldn't be quite so blanket about out it. It can be hot for valid reasons without any problems
[18:30] <jancoow> what is the room temperature?
[18:30] <kihis> i haven't got zero's cpu above 30 celsius...
[18:30] <jancoow> ^^
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[18:34] <redrabbit> was more like 40 for me
[18:34] <redrabbit> in a case
[18:35] <scratch69> it feels like its running at 60c or more and I live in england so 10c ambient?
[18:36] <redrabbit> re image the sd card
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[18:36] <gordonDrogon> england is quite warn right now, but it's all relative :)
[18:37] <scratch69> north england is always cold :)
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> well - I'm scottish...
[18:37] <jancoow> mm, still not working. ARe these the correct parameters in config.txt? dtparam=i2c_arm=on dtparam=i2c_arm_baudrate=400000
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> ... living in Devon, so it's always warm for me :)
[18:37] <scratch69> heh
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> jancoow, the i2c_arm=on is right, but not sure about the speed. once upon a time you could specify it when you loaded the module, but ...
[18:39] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: Well it worked before so i'm sure it will also work now right? :).
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[18:39] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: I forget about how to check if the module is loaded. Do you know the command?
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> lsmod
[18:40] <jancoow> ugh, no modules loaded at all..
[18:40] <jancoow> Could be because the network boot
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> there is this: http://www.mindsensors.com/blog/how-to/change-i2c-speed-with-raspberry-pi
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> seems to suggest what you're doing is fine.
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> gordon@raspberrypi:~/wiringPi/wiringPi$ lsmod|grep i2c
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> i2c_dev 6578 0
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> i2c_bcm2708 5740 0
[18:41] <jancoow> yeah having problems getting i2c to work with nfs boot without write permissions
[18:41] <zumba_addict> hi. I still don't own a pi but would love to buy one. I'm currently using arduino to control a stepper motor via drv8825 stepper driver. I want to switch to raspberry pi since we can use it to serve a nodejs app. How can I control a stepper motor in pi?
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> zumba_addict, connect your Pi to the Arduino and send it commands over the (usb) serial port.
[18:41] <zumba_addict> interesting
[18:42] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: mm. When I boot a pi with only read permissions there are littarly zero modules loaded. When I boot a pi WITH write permissions there are more (and the correct i2c modules) loaded..
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> zumba_addict, those drivers work fine at 3.3v though - you can drive them directly from the Pi.
[18:43] <zumba_addict> you mean, i can connect drv8825 directly to Pi?
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> jancoow, sounds weird, but I've given up looking too deeply into the Pi's booting now...
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> zumba_addict, yes.
[18:43] <zumba_addict> wow, that is great to know gordonDrogon :D
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[18:43] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: haha, why ?
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> jancoow, it changes to fast for me to keep up.
[18:44] <zumba_addict> if that's the case, all I need to find/search is an api that will be able to talk to the drv8825 like step, direction
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> zumba_addict, the biggst issue is that the Pi runs Linux and Linux is a multi-user, multi-tasking operating system - your program can stall at any time...
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> zumba_addict, look for wiringPi ...
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> (assuming you code in C/C++ or BASIC that is)
[18:45] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: yeah okay. It seems that my pi2 only having problems, the pi3 with only read premissions works fine
[18:45] <jancoow> ugh
[18:45] <zumba_addict> k
[18:45] <zumba_addict> i'm thinking of using NodeJS
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> I think there are wiringPi wrappers for that, but it's not something I use.
[18:45] <zumba_addict> can we set runlevel in Pi to like runlevel 2
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> it's more or less Debian, so ...
[18:46] <zumba_addict> k
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> if you can do it in Debian, you can do it on the Pi (more or less)
[18:46] <zumba_addict> before I worry about that, I'll get it going first :D
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> good idea.
[18:46] <jancoow> [ 9.637322] systemd[1]: systemd-modules-load.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
[18:46] <jancoow> [ 9.678770] systemd[1]: Failed to start Load Kernel Modules.
[18:46] <jancoow> [ 9.689698] systemd[1]: Unit systemd-modules-load.service entered failed state.
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> ah. systemd. I don't have one of those.
[18:46] <shiftplusone> jancoow: what have you got going on in the modules files?
[18:47] <shiftplusone> If you're passing parameters to the module in there, you're doing it wrong
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[18:48] <jancoow> shiftplusone: snd-bcm2835 i2c-bcm2708 i2c-dev in the module files
[18:48] <jancoow> each module on a new line
[18:48] <shiftplusone> Does 'sudo systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service' tell you anything interesting?
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[18:49] <jancoow> shiftplusone: that it stopped working haha, but no journal files because it's read only
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[18:50] <shiftplusone> sudo journalctl should give you the logs anyway
[18:50] <jancoow> brb dinner
[18:50] <jancoow> shiftplusone: Mar 10 17:49:08 raspberrypi systemd[1]: Starting Load Kernel Modules...
[18:50] <jancoow> Mar 10 17:49:08 raspberrypi systemd-modules-load[626]: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/4.4.46+/modules.dep.bin'
[18:50] <jancoow> Mar 10 17:49:08 raspberrypi systemd-modules-load[626]: Failed to lookup alias 'snd-bcm2835': Function not implemented
[18:50] <jancoow> Mar 10 17:49:08 raspberrypi systemd-modules-load[626]: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/4.4.46+/modules.dep.bin'
[18:50] <jancoow> Mar 10 17:49:08 raspberrypi systemd-modules-load[626]: Failed to lookup alias 'i2c-bcm2708': Function not implemented
[18:50] <jancoow> Mar 10 17:49:08 raspberrypi systemd-modules-load[626]: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/4.4.46+/modules.dep.bin'
[18:50] <jancoow> Mar 10 17:49:08 raspberrypi systemd-modules-load[626]: Failed to lookup alias 'i2c-dev': Function not implemented
[18:51] <jancoow> woops.. sorry that have to be in a pastebin
[18:51] <jancoow> sorry for the spam :/
[18:51] * IT_Sean throws a wad of SPAM at jancoow
[18:51] <shiftplusone> what does uname -a say?
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[18:52] <shiftplusone> I think you've updated the kernel and not rebooted, or something like that.
[18:53] <kihis> shiftplusone: jancoow is playing with network boot
[18:54] <shiftplusone> Shouldn't make much difference to the ultimate cause of this problem though
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[18:55] <shiftplusone> check the kernel he's running, check that the modules match... figure out why the don't. Simple.
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[18:58] <Voop> hey anyone wanna do 15 minutes of configuring for me for $
[18:58] <Voop> i dont know where else to ask
[18:59] <Habbie> picked up my pi+ws2812b again from the closet
[18:59] <Habbie> now they flash wildly
[18:59] <Habbie> i hate debugging this
[18:59] <shiftplusone> Voop: I'd recommend just asking the question. People will help for free
[19:00] <Voop> tried that
[19:00] <Voop> been trying to get this done for months
[19:00] * shiftplusone scrolls up
[19:00] <shiftplusone> don't see it
[19:00] <Habbie> Voop, you didn't
[19:00] <Habbie> Voop, i read all your lines
[19:00] <Voop> not today. but sure ill ask again
[19:00] <Habbie> i looked back 11 hours
[19:01] <Habbie> i see text from you
[19:01] <Habbie> but no specific questions
[19:01] <Voop> i need to configre my single (atheros) wifi card to be both a client and AP at the same time
[19:01] <Voop> on separate subinterfaces
[19:01] <Habbie> can the linux driver do that?
[19:01] <Voop> atheros can
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[19:02] <shiftplusone> Haven't tried doing that myself.
[19:02] <Voop> i know i need to create two virtual networks then basically port the internet connection to them
[19:02] <Voop> cant figure that out
[19:03] <Habbie> have you found any documentation on how to this online?
[19:03] <Habbie> your question is not raspbian specific, if that helps
[19:03] <Voop> not for raspian. theres a tut for another distro that doesnt work on raspbian
[19:03] <kihis> Voop: link plz
[19:03] <Habbie> find one for debian
[19:03] <Habbie> yes, that too
[19:04] <shiftplusone> How far did you get?
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[19:07] <kihis> ...
[19:07] <Voop> https://linuxalfi.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/connectify-for-linux-with-single-wireless-interface/
[19:07] <Habbie> remind me, what debugging steps should i take if my ws2812/neopixels give 'random' colours instead of what i want?
[19:07] <Voop> i believe that is it
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[19:08] <Habbie> Voop, ok, and what step did you get stuck at?
[19:08] <kihis> and what exactly are you trying to do? wifi bridge?
[19:09] <Voop> basically
[19:09] <Voop> wifi repeater
[19:09] <kihis> that's what i tried to mean... :D
[19:09] <Voop> i managed to get an SSID to show up in the list of SSIDs
[19:10] <Voop> but it didnt actually have an internet connetion
[19:10] <Habbie> and did the atheros associate as a client?
[19:10] <Voop> not sure what that means
[19:10] <Voop> did i mention im a linux noob
[19:11] <kihis> would be much easier if you just use two separate wifi dongles :)
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[19:11] <Voop> im using a very specific wifi card
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[19:11] <Voop> i suppose i could use two... but the dongles take a lot of power and are $12 each
[19:12] <Voop> so id need a powered hub and another dongle
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[19:21] <kihis> Voop: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/340799/wifi-repeater-with-a-single-wifi-adapter-in-debian
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[19:24] <Voop> seems too easy
[19:24] <Voop> ill try it though
[19:25] <kihis> Voop: first you have to get the pi connected to the wifi
[19:25] <Voop> its plugnplay so thats already done
[19:25] <Voop> im SSH'd in
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[19:27] <kihis> not sure if even that works. just googled...
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[19:30] <Voop> kihis: incoming paste
[19:30] <Voop> Creating a virtual WiFi interface... ap0 created.
[19:30] <Voop> /usr/bin/create_ap: line 1657: dnsmasq: command not found
[19:30] <Voop> ERROR: Wrong version format!
[19:30] <Voop> thats from the very last line of the instructions
[19:30] <Habbie> well
[19:30] <Habbie> did you install dnsmasq?
[19:31] <Habbie> and also
[19:31] <Habbie> dnsmasq is not necessary on a repeater
[19:31] <Habbie> it is used on a router
[19:31] <Habbie> decide what you want
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[19:35] <tga> redrabbit: that's interesting, do you think you could use that for a video call
[19:36] <jancoow> shiftplusone: Ohh
[19:36] <jancoow> that's it!
[19:36] <jancoow> you are right, thanks!
[19:36] <jancoow> this was the wrong sd card DAMN with the old kernel
[19:36] <jancoow> so so stupid
[19:36] <jancoow> ugh
[19:37] <shiftplusone> happens
[19:37] <Habbie> jancoow, please don't say damn in here
[19:37] <clever> shiftplusone: i'm trying to debug a recent build and i'm not getting any rainbow on the screen, nor am i getting even 3.3v on the uart_tx pin
[19:37] <clever> shiftplusone: does the uart_tx default to 0v on powerup?
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[19:37] <Habbie> i'd expect uart_tx to be zero when idle
[19:37] <jancoow> Habbie: why not?
[19:37] <shiftplusone> Off the top of my head, no idea.
[19:37] <clever> Habbie: i was expecting it to idle high
[19:37] <Habbie> jancoow, because this is a family friendly channel where children are welcome
[19:38] <Habbie> clever, i don't know a lot about ttl serial so i could be wrong
[19:38] <clever> i'm thinking start.elf is failing to load
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[19:38] <Voop> are we doing the no cursing thing again?
[19:38] <Habbie> Voop, 24/7 if we can
[19:39] <Voop> it seemed to be lax on that rule for a while
[19:39] <Habbie> it depends on who is awake
[19:39] <Voop> i remember it was pretty strict when i first came here
[19:39] <Habbie> the rule is 24/7
[19:39] <Habbie> the enforcement is not
[19:39] <Voop> ah
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[19:40] <shiftplusone> Plus when you try to draw a line between 'acceptable language' and no, each OP will have a different view.
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[19:41] <Voop> Habbie: kihis well theres an AP showing on my phone
[19:41] <Voop> now to see if it actually has internet
[19:41] <Habbie> off to a good start
[19:42] <Voop> it appears to work
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[19:43] <Voop> that was too easy. something must be wrong
[19:43] <Habbie> haha
[19:44] <Voop> it does say
[19:44] <Voop> WARN: Low entropy detected. We recommend you to install `haveged'
[19:44] <Voop> what does that mean, and should i actually do that?
[19:44] <kihis> now where is my $$$
[19:46] <plum> what temperature would start to be too hot for a raspberry pi cpu temp?
[19:46] <kihis> Voop: Means there is not enough random stuff going on yet on your pi
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[19:48] <shiftplusone> plum: I would start wondering why it's so hot at around 75.
[19:48] <Voop> ok very last question how would i turn this off and on
[19:48] <plum> uh oh, is it dangerous for the longevity of the pi over 75?
[19:49] <shiftplusone> no, it's just unusually warm and and performance will be reduced when it starts to throttle.
[19:49] <Voop> ive never heard of heat issues with the pi
[19:49] <Voop> the cpu's were built to be stuffed in tablets
[19:49] <plum> ahhh gotcha
[19:49] <shiftplusone> Voop: it happens. Try firing up all cores on a pi 3 and use NEON instructions.
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[19:50] <plum> i have one sitting on a router (no room in this tiny apartment) and it says 150 F right now D:
[19:50] <plum> actually i am typing from it in irssi
[19:50] * shiftplusone has no idea what 150F is in real units.
[19:51] <plum> compared to 75F
[19:51] <Voop> hot enough to fry an egg on me thinks
[19:51] <kihis> Voop: try create_ap --stop wlan0
[19:51] <plum> sorry i am from the US where we are uneducated about celsius :(
[19:51] <shiftplusone> 65.5556 C
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[19:51] <plum> oh
[19:51] <Voop> kihis: wouldnt stopping wlan0 cut the pi off from the internet?
[19:51] <plum> wait, that means it's not super hot then
[19:51] <Voop> should i stop the virtual network it created instead
[19:51] <shiftplusone> no, that's about the temperature I would expect.
[19:51] <plum> my bad, i had thought it was in fahrenheit
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[19:52] <shiftplusone> temp=48.9'C
[19:53] <shiftplusone> But that's inside a metal case which makes contact with the SoC.
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[19:55] <Voop> kihis: theres no longer a pi@raspberry:
[19:55] <Voop> so i think i just need to cancel the current operation
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[19:57] <scratch69> hmm I think my zeros hdmi is dead :(
[19:59] <plum> sorry shiftplusone, what do you mean by soc?
[20:00] <shiftplusone> the main chip containing CPU, GPU and peripherals
[20:00] <kihis> Voop: :D
[20:00] <Voop> ah ctrl + c
[20:01] <Voop> told you im a noob
[20:01] <plum> ohhhhhh gotcha! mine's in a case too so i feel like it would be a bit higher as well with the case insulation
[20:01] <Voop> THANK YOU very much kihis and Habbie
[20:02] <Voop> i would ineed pass you guys some gift cards if you want them. ive been working on this for a long time
[20:02] <kihis> :D
[20:02] <kihis> gift cards to where?
[20:03] <ShorTie> Me .. :)~
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[20:04] <infid3l> hello there
[20:04] <ShorTie> Good Morning
[20:04] <infid3l> i am using a bt keyboard with my rpi3, but it is being disconnected after a short idle time
[20:04] <infid3l> any way to keep the connection alive?
[20:05] <scottjl> is your keyboard going to sleep?
[20:06] <scottjl> if your keyboard is going into a sleep mode, nothing the pi can do about it
[20:06] <kihis> dmesg might help
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[20:09] <Voop> infid3l: how much did the kb cost?
[20:09] <Voop> cheap bt keyboards are junk
[20:10] <Voop> last one i had had a ~5 second delay on key presses
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[20:10] <infid3l> sry
[20:10] <infid3l> got lagged out
[20:11] <Voop> how much did the kb cost
[20:11] <plum> eww cheap bt keyboards
[20:11] <infid3l> the kb is not going to idle while connected to other devices. i am using the 1byone foldable, maybe around 25 EUR
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[20:12] <Voop> the BT in the pi is not too great either
[20:12] <Voop> im not a BT expert though
[20:12] <Habbie> Voop, thank you for the offer, but put your money to good use - help a charity or someone in need
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[20:12] <plum> i tried a flexible keyboard with my pi and it was horrible
[20:12] <plum> :(
[20:12] <plum> would've been the coolest thing if it worked well
[20:12] <scottjl> infid3l: kihis suggestion was good, check dmesg and see if there is anything
[20:13] <infid3l> ah, thanks
[20:13] <infid3l> havent seen it
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[20:13] <Voop> the only good use ive found for BT is audio
[20:13] <Voop> bt headphones are the bees knees imo
[20:14] <scottjl> my pi's generally run headless.
[20:14] <clever> ive found the range on BT audio to be horid
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[20:14] <plum> same scottjl
[20:14] <Voop> clever: audiophiles seem to hate BT
[20:14] <clever> and BT audio has retry on lost packets, which just increases the latency to useless levels
[20:14] <Voop> im not an audiophole though
[20:14] <scottjl> well BT has big compression.
[20:14] <infid3l> unknown main item tag 0x0 -
[20:14] <scottjl> the codecs are meh
[20:14] <infid3l> and then it reconnects
[20:14] <infid3l> i see...
[20:14] <clever> Voop: i cant even get bt to work within 1 room of a computer
[20:15] <clever> Voop: but a g930 headset (non-bluetooth rf) works anywhere in the house
[20:15] <Voop> i was not even aware of RF headphones
[20:15] <clever> Voop: https://www.amazon.ca/Logitech-Wireless-Gaming-Headset-Surround/dp/B003VANOFY
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[20:16] <scottjl> http://www.lucidlaboratories.com/raspberry-pi-dac/
[20:16] <scottjl> when you want serious audio on a pi
[20:16] <scottjl> you need a dac
[20:17] <clever> scottjl: i would wire one up to the i2s port on the pi
[20:17] <clever> heh, yep, thats what your link does
[20:17] <Voop> scottjl: you pretty much need one for a zero if you want audio, period
[20:17] <scottjl> one of my pi's is a nice internet radio with that DAC and some nice bookshelf speakers.
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[20:20] <infid3l> allright, i added timeout=0 into /etc/bluetooth/input.conf - this should do it hopefully
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[20:26] <infid3l> damn
[20:26] <infid3l> it still disconnects
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[20:28] <infid3l> damn thats annoying. thanks for your help
[20:28] <infid3l> i try to solve this :)
[20:29] <Habbie> infid3l, please stop saying damn in here
[20:29] <scottjl> daaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
[20:29] <infid3l> :P
[20:29] <scottjl> sorry infid3l good luck fixing it.
[20:29] <Simonious> no swearing eh?
[20:29] <Habbie> scottjl, don't
[20:29] <Habbie> scottjl, it's not funny
[20:29] <plum> i almost said it earlier, caught myself
[20:29] <plum> :x
[20:29] <scottjl> i didn't know puritians used pi's
[20:30] <Habbie> scottjl, still not funny, let's just stop?
[20:30] <scottjl> Habbie: lol.
[20:30] <infid3l> dangie, hard rules
[20:31] <scottjl> grammar nazis
[20:31] <Habbie> sigh
[20:31] <plum> not exactly grammar tho
[20:31] <Habbie> can you just leave then perhaps, scottjl?
[20:31] <scottjl> vocabulary nazi?
[20:31] <plum> yes
[20:31] <plum> and i am admitting to being one too by pointing that out
[20:31] <plum> :P
[20:31] <Habbie> can you also stop saying nazi?
[20:31] <scottjl> damn nazi
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[20:32] * scottjl was kicked from #raspberrypi by Habbie
[20:32] * Habbie sets mode -o Habbie
[20:32] <Simonious> I like the rule, but it is tempting to be graphic without swearing just to obey the letter and not the spirit of the thing. ;) I'll try to behave.
[20:32] <Habbie> Simonious, that temptation might get you in trouble :)
[20:32] <Habbie> Simonious, i do get it
[20:32] <Habbie> Simonious, but it's not just about the letter :)
[20:32] <infid3l> lol?
[20:32] <Simonious> not might, it gets me into trouble often
[20:32] <infid3l> seriously?
[20:32] <Habbie> infid3l, yes, seriously
[20:32] <plum> i kinda feel like it's more inclusive/welcoming if we don't have swearing
[20:32] <infid3l> why?
[20:33] <Habbie> infid3l, because everybody is welcome in this channel, including children
[20:33] <plum> like, i hate that rule in the general public, but this channel aims to be friendly to new people who might get scared off by it
[20:33] <plum> ^
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[20:33] <plum> i'd be more upset at intimidating someone who had a question, than just monitoring my words
[20:33] <infid3l> yeah i get that, but how is the word "d**m" a bad word worth a ban o.O
[20:34] <Simonious> Can I just be gross without swearing as such? ;) I wasn't tempted before this conversation. :P
[20:34] <infid3l> so, this is one of those PC channels?
[20:34] <plum> no, this is linux
[20:34] <plum> :P
[20:35] <infid3l> all right
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[20:35] <plum> get it? wordplay? ...okay i'm done hahaha
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> my personal computer runs Linux ...
[20:36] <plum> oof, got me there
[20:36] <plum> D:
[20:37] <infid3l> grrrrrrrrrr
[20:37] <infid3l> it seems to be a well known bug...
[20:37] <plum> what bug?
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[20:38] <infid3l> the bt reconnecting bug
[20:38] <plum> ohhh
[20:38] <Habbie> infid3l, did you read the channel rules? putting ** over half of it does not actually help
[20:38] <infid3l> oh please
[20:38] <plum> i gave up on bt keyboards with the pi :( you have more patience with them than i
[20:38] <Habbie> bbl
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[20:39] <infid3l> i do, but because of the fact that this foldable kb is looking good (:
[20:39] <infid3l> and it fits into my pocket
[20:40] <infid3l> an RF version would be a good solution.... hmm
[20:40] <plum> ahh that's what i was going to recommend
[20:40] <plum> dunno if they sell them though
[20:40] <plum> is it BT2.0?
[20:40] <infid3l> 3.0
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[20:41] <plum> gotcha, i think 4.0 is supposed to be lower energy so there might be sleep mechanisms built in
[20:41] <plum> but that's entirely speculation so could be entirely wrong as well
[20:41] <infid3l> https://data.1byone.com/instructions/O0000-0715.pdf
[20:41] <infid3l> there it is
[20:42] <infid3l> and it has a sleep routine but its active after 15 mins idle
[20:42] <plum> oh it's pretty! i like the design
[20:42] <infid3l> yep
[20:43] <plum> i had some issues with bluetooth cutting out on my bt mouse a while back. i think i got it working somehow but i don't use it anymore and it might have broke itself again
[20:43] <plum> rf is much easier
[20:43] <infid3l> had some issues with rf too tbh, mouse had a pretty bad lag
[20:44] <infid3l> i didnt care after switching to console and tmux use only
[20:44] <plum> which model of pi is it?
[20:44] <plum> it may be graphic lag
[20:44] <infid3l> 3 b
[20:44] <plum> ohh gotcha
[20:44] <infid3l> i dont use pixel anymore so... problem solved the other way around lol
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[20:47] <plum> what do you use instead? i usually run headless so i'm not familiar with a lot of them
[20:48] <infid3l> you mean as desktop/gui?
[20:48] <infid3l> nothing, console only
[20:48] <plum> ohh gotcha
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[20:49] <infid3l> i think i found an alternative. not foldable, but should do
[20:49] <infid3l> trust curve wireless
[20:50] <infid3l> quite similar dimensions and RF
[20:50] <plum> ooh neat
[20:50] <plum> compact it seems too?
[20:50] <infid3l> yep
[20:51] <pwillard> Hmmm... I thpught I would hate pixel... but I don't
[20:51] <infid3l> i do not hate it, i do not need it :D
[20:52] <infid3l> but it looks better than i thought, yes
[20:53] <pwillard> I had a "rollable" BT keyboard that work better than any other I bought... after about 6 months of rolling... it separated in my bag and while on a 5 hour flight underfoot... became irreparable. :(
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[20:55] <plum> i have one of those, like kinda rubbery?
[20:55] <plum> it wouldn't work well for me :(
[20:55] <infid3l> what about those laser projection keyboards, anyone tried them?
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[20:56] <tga> hah amazon can be such a circus
[20:56] <plum> i need something physical for my fingers to touch
[20:56] <infid3l> me too, but they look awesome
[20:56] <plum> even touch-screen keyboards are iffy
[20:56] <plum> i hear you on that though
[20:56] <tga> tft display, product description in german: 800x480 -- product description in english, 320x480
[20:57] <plum> whaaaat
[20:57] <plum> that's messed
[20:58] <tga> yeah I took a screenshot just in case.. at least returns are more or less easy
[20:58] <tga> seller straight from China, what could possibly go wrong
[20:58] <infid3l> oh. i almost forgot to ask, thanks tga for mentioning a display. is it okay to attach a 3,5 display to the gpio while the raspi is running or is that a bad idea?
[20:58] <plum> lol
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[20:58] <plum> hmmm logwatch says i had an attempted hack using ^null$ two times
[20:58] * tga is annoyed that most displays have the hdmi connector on top
[20:58] <plum> is there a way to deny access from ip addresses using known hacks like this situation?
[20:59] <ali1234> yes, its called fail2ban
[20:59] <tga> best place would have been orthogonal, behind, like a crt
[20:59] <infid3l> iptables?
[20:59] <plum> ahh i have fail2ban installed
[20:59] <plum> and ufw
[20:59] <plum> for iptables
[20:59] <tga> no way I can fit a hdmi cable straight up in this case, vertically the display barely fits as it is
[20:59] <plum> i think those are configured for ssh access though, this is for http
[20:59] <ali1234> fail2ban can be configured to watch any log
[21:00] * tga just ordered 2 zero ws, woo
[21:00] <ali1234> i have it set up to watch for wordpress admin password guessers
[21:01] <mfa298> plum: if that's ssh your looking at the easiest way to stop the constant probes is to move ssh onto a random higher port
[21:02] <tga> I was in here talking about displays earlier, in the mean time the only display that fits my project sold out
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[21:05] <tga> so here's a stupid question, is there any way of using a resistive touchscreen through a plastic cover?
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[21:07] <l1bertine> marco, I need some help setting my bluetooth speaker as the default audio connection on boot. My google fu is failing me.
[21:11] <plum> ooh interesting
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[21:12] <tga> this case has a plastic cover with stuff printed on it, I either put the screen behind it and lose touch or replace it with <something> to keep touch going -- but then what?
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[21:13] <plum> ali1234 can you tell me how you set that up?
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[21:14] <ali1234> plum i use this https://en-gb.wordpress.org/plugins/wp-fail2ban/
[21:15] <ali1234> all you have to do is log intrusion attempts somewhere (which it sounds like you have already done) and then write a fail2ban filter to parse the log
[21:17] <plum> thank you!
[21:17] <plum> i'll look into it
[21:17] <plum> :D
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[21:23] <l1bertine> I missed something, but anyone want to help me with autoconnecting my bluetooth speaker on a pi3?
[21:24] <l1bertine> it connects fine, I just want it to autoconnect on boot
[21:26] <infid3l> i would like to, but i am struggling with my bt keyboard and never used bt audio :)
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[21:32] <l1bertine> ah well, can I help you with your keyboard?
[21:32] <l1bertine> I did all the bluetooth setup for the keyboard on a pi2 with a bluetooth dongle and now it's onboard in the pi3 and I was mad bro :D
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[21:34] <infid3l> ooooh maybe
[21:34] <infid3l> i get disconnected all the time
[21:35] <infid3l> https://data.1byone.com/instructions/O0000-0715.pdf
[21:35] <infid3l> unknown main item tag 0x0 << thats what dmesg gives me
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[21:35] <infid3l> and then, re-pair
[21:35] <infid3l> veeeeery annoying
[21:38] <l1bertine> okay, so, first, which pi are you using to set it up?
[21:38] <infid3l> 3 model b
[21:38] <l1bertine> okay, so you don't need a bluetooth dongle
[21:39] <l1bertine> have you tried to pair it through bluetoothctl?
[21:39] <infid3l> nope
[21:39] <infid3l> hmm, not yet tbh
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[21:39] <infid3l> i paired it once while sitting in PIXEL
[21:39] <l1bertine> I highly recommend looking up how to use the terminal bluetooth
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[21:39] <infid3l> okay
[21:39] <l1bertine> you may also be interested in blueman, a bluez gui, so you can do all this from a gui
[21:40] <infid3l> i give bluetoothctl a try
[21:40] <infid3l> wait a sec
[21:43] <infid3l> so, bluetoothctl info tells me that the kb is not connected but paired
[21:43] <infid3l> legacypairing is no
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[21:49] <infid3l> brb
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[21:51] <redrabbit> id like to etablish a pan between a pi3 and a pi0w
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[21:51] <redrabbit> i can't find clear instructions on that topic
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[21:52] <l1bertine> okay so infid3l
[21:52] <l1bertine> okay so @infid3l
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[21:52] <l1bertine> you need to also issue the connect command after it is paired
[21:53] <l1bertine> so, in blutoothctl type: connect macaddressforkeyboard
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[21:54] <l1bertine> once you have it connected, you can also trust it, which should allow you to connect easily in the future. Should.
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[21:55] <l1bertine> oops, did you miss the rest of that infid3l?
[21:55] <infid3l> i think so
[21:55] <infid3l> sorry
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[21:57] <j4ckcom> what is pi price?
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[21:58] <l1bertine> ou need to also issue the connect command after it is paired [15:53] <l1bertine> so, in blutoothctl type: connect macaddressforkeyboard
[21:58] <leftyfb> j4ckcom: which model?
[21:58] <j4ckcom> pi3 B
[21:58] <leftyfb> $35 usd
[21:59] <leftyfb> j4ckcom: going to raspberrypi.org would give you vendors and prices
[21:59] <j4ckcom> $35 oh can i use it as web server? it is too late?
[21:59] <leftyfb> too late?
[21:59] <j4ckcom> speed is too late?
[21:59] <leftyfb> you mean too slow
[21:59] <leftyfb> j4ckcom: depending on what you want to do, a web server will run fine on a raspberry pi 3 b
[22:00] <j4ckcom> oh yeah, it is too slow? leftyfb ?
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[22:00] <j4ckcom> fine 😃
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[22:01] <l1bertine> repeat of assistance getting my blutooth speaker to autopair with the pi3?
[22:01] <infid3l> connection issues with my vpn, sorry....
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[22:01] <l1bertine> what did you get?
[22:02] <infid3l> nothing, i just mentioned that i am going to change the kb anyway
[22:02] <infid3l> but well, i think the issue will be solved another way. it seems i am not able to use the function keys on that keyboard
[22:02] <infid3l> so i might get a rf kb; like trust curved wireless
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[22:04] <l1bertine> yeah, the function keys are always an adventure on linux, took me forever to get them all working on my linux install on the alienware laptop
[22:04] <l1bertine> and even then I simple remapped a lot of them to a fluxbox keys file so I didn't have to fight with firmware
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[22:07] <j4ckcom> c is preinstalled on rasberian?
[22:08] <Encrypt> j4ckcom, What do you mean?
[22:08] <j4ckcom> c language is installed on rasberian?
[22:10] <ShorTie> gcc compiles c
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[22:13] <j4ckcom> laptop vs pi3 + monitor + keyboard + mouse, which is best choice?
[22:14] <l1bertine> depends on what you want to do with it
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[22:15] <ShorTie> if you end goal is a laptop type device, get a laptop i'd say
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[22:16] <j4ckcom> but laptop is too expensive :(
[22:16] <RoBo_V> motion 3.2.12 support rtsp ? I'm getting invalid netcam_url error
[22:17] <l1bertine> nah, get an old thinkpad or dell or whatever from craigslist for $50, wipe it, and install pretty much any version of linux
[22:17] <l1bertine> you'll be fine
[22:17] <l1bertine> sorry RoB0_V not my area of expertise
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[22:35] <tga> I vote for old thinkpad unless you have specific needs, like maybe gpio
[22:35] <tga> even for that you can get a usb adapter
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[22:38] <tga> gotta get a decent price though, just checked ebay now and someone local is selling a pentium 3 for something like $80
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[22:44] <ali1234> as i said earlier, you really can't beat a thinkpad x220 or x230 for price, performance, and linux compatibility
[22:45] <ali1234> and size
[22:45] <ali1234> they are still about $150 used but they are totally worth it
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[22:47] * plugwash wonders how it compares to the T420 he bought recently
[22:47] <bedah> x220 are fine, but maybe a t420 with hd display would be better *just saying*
[22:48] <bedah> i got both, t420 right of me, x220 left of me, best linux support, yes. x220 is more portable
[22:48] <plugwash> mind you when I bought this T420 I spent as much on upgrades as the machine itself
[22:48] <bedah> t420 has second tray, for second hdd
[22:49] <plugwash> so I have 16GB of ram and a 960GB SSD
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[22:50] <bedah> i need to kill the windows 10 partition, w10 is a waste of time and space for me
[22:50] <ali1234> T420 is very good too, but larger and heavier
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[22:51] <ali1234> x220 is not much bigger than a netbook
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[22:53] * plugwash wishes he had a faster internet connection as he waits for git push
[22:53] <ali1234> hey plugwash i learned something about foreign bootstraps the other day
[22:53] <ShorTie> newegg got a T420 for 99 bucks
[22:54] <ali1234> specifically debootstrap --foreign is broken for raspbian
[22:54] <plugwash> ali1234, hmm
[22:54] <ali1234> because there is no way to pass mirror to second stage
[22:54] <ali1234> it relies on the mirror being in the suite script
[22:54] <ali1234> that's how ubuntu avoids it
[22:54] <plugwash> hmm
[22:54] <plugwash> I don't think second stage actually uses the mirror for anything
[22:54] <ali1234> but because you use debian scripts unmodified, --second-stage turns your raspbian chroot into debian
[22:54] <ali1234> it doesn't
[22:55] <ali1234> but it sets up /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:55] <plugwash> so as long as you manually edit sources.list before running apt you should be ok
[22:55] <ali1234> yes it's fine as long as you know about it :)
[22:56] <ali1234> i'm experimenting with multistrap now because debootstrap just has too many problems with foreign + different arch
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[22:56] <ali1234> i built an image in 90 seconds... amazing
[22:57] <ali1234> i didn't test if it actually works yet though :)
[22:57] <ali1234> still setting up tftp booting
[22:57] <bedah> i've got a question, not raspberry pi related: nvidia jetson. fail or worth some time fiddling?
[22:57] <ali1234> probably fail
[22:57] <ali1234> isnt it really expensive?
[22:57] <bedah> the elder tk1 are becomming cheeper www.ebay.com/itm/322447894413
[22:58] <bedah> i tried some opencv stuff recently, pi3 is quite slow compared to an x220/t420
[22:59] <ali1234> tbh that looks like it's the size of a small PC like NUC, and just as expensive
[22:59] <bedah> no. if i think about that: i got no time to learn und try cuda
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[22:59] <ali1234> plus you have to deal with vendor BSP nonsense
[22:59] <ali1234> i'd just get a NUC
[22:59] <bedah> yes
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[22:59] <bedah> you're right
[23:00] <ali1234> i guess if you really need CUDA then maybe
[23:00] <ali1234> most people don't though
[23:01] <bedah> i should learn cuda on a normal linux machine with a nice graphic card then
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[23:01] <bedah> then, and only then, i can judge if i need that embedded or bigger
[23:01] <ali1234> yes definitely, it will be easier than trying to learn and also deal with funky firmwares
[23:01] <ali1234> CUDA is pretty easy to do on regular linux with nvidia driver
[23:02] <ali1234> i mean regular x86 desktop
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[23:02] <ali1234> then you can concentrate on learning how to write SIMD kernels
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[23:06] <bedah> thanks, you saved me a lot of time thinking about it :)
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[23:14] <swift110> bedah: i am on an x201 now
[23:14] <Azelphur> What OS is nice to run on a Pi Zero? I want something very barebones, no GUI, if it boots and has a package manager I'm probably h appy
[23:14] <Azelphur> Zero W, that is
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[23:14] <ali1234> raspbian lite
[23:15] <Azelphur> ali1234: cool, does that not ship with all the cruft (java, scratch, etc?)
[23:15] <ali1234> it is still quite crufty but only about 400MB
[23:15] <bub_> nice
[23:15] <Azelphur> fair enough
[23:15] <bub_> terminal/console only?
[23:15] <Azelphur> bub_: yes
[23:15] <ali1234> remember to put ssh and wpa_supplicant.conf in fat partition
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[23:16] <Azelphur> ali1234: why would I need to do that, can I not just boot it and install openssh as normal?
[23:16] <ali1234> sure if oyu have usb keyboards
[23:16] <Azelphur> I do
[23:16] <ali1234> openssh_server is installed by default just not enabled
[23:16] <shauno> and an otg widget, and a tiny-hdmi wotsit
[23:16] <Azelphur> I have all of the above \o/
[23:16] <shauno> easier to just touch /boot/ssh and let it sort itself out
[23:17] <ali1234> yes
[23:17] <Azelphur> funny enough I didn't even have to buy them, just had them laying around, the mini hdmi came with a GT 630 I bought a while ago, and I have a mountain of USB OTG adapters when I bought a pile of them for 30c each off aliexpress
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[23:18] <ali1234> for the zero your distro choices are pretty limited anyway
[23:18] <ali1234> ubuntu wont work, debian will be unoptimized (armel)
[23:19] <Azelphur> interesting, I wonder if ArchLinuxARM works yet
[23:20] <Azelphur> I'm installing Raspbian lite for now anyway
[23:20] <ali1234> you can do a raspbian netinst if you want the most barebones system possible
[23:20] <ali1234> might be tricky on the zero... probably needs a USB ethernet
[23:20] <Azelphur> that could be nice
[23:21] <ali1234> its probably not worth it though, i mean SD cards are cheap
[23:21] <Azelphur> yea I'm not too much worried about size, more about preserving resources like RAM/CPU
[23:21] <ali1234> you can also prepare SD cards in a pi 3 and then transfer them over
[23:21] <Azelphur> so as long as it doesn't shove a DE upon you it should be fine
[23:21] <Azelphur> hehe, I'm dding it on my PC
[23:22] <ali1234> yeah what i mean is boot it up on pi 3, configure it, then put it in the zero
[23:22] <Azelphur> ah I See
[23:22] <ali1234> you might need to do that for netinst since it probably doesn't support wifi
[23:23] <ali1234> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[23:24] <Azelphur> I'm hoping to build a smart doorbell with it, attach the Pi IR-CUT camera and have it SIP video call when someone presses the button :)
[23:24] <ali1234> sounds like an embedded system
[23:24] <ali1234> you should run it out of a ramdisk :)
[23:24] <ali1234> ramdisk is best disk
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[23:25] <Azelphur> yea, when all is said and done should be able to cut it down nicely
[23:25] <ali1234> what software deps does you have?
[23:25] <Azelphur> well, zero right now, I'm at the "play with some different things and see what I come up with" stage
[23:25] <ali1234> k
[23:26] <Azelphur> might use PJSIP
[23:26] <ali1234> you might want to look at gstreamer-phone and gst-rpicamsrc
[23:26] <Azelphur> thanks, noted :)
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[23:40] <redrabbit> https://designdesk.org/linux/headless-setup-rpi-raspberry-pi
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[23:44] <wiselydoesit> anyone have a Sleepy Pi?
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[23:46] <s3nd1v0g1us> what is that?
[23:47] <redrabbit> im interested about it
[23:47] <redrabbit> its a power management board
[23:47] * ShorTie Thinkz, Only when it doesn't get enough Java
[23:47] <redrabbit> i figured the pi platter was doing more but it ain't available
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