#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-03-12

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[1:47] <hmoney> can i get away with a pi3 booting from an ssd without external power?
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[1:57] <PhotoJim> hmoney: i.e. the SSD drawing power from the Pi? I don't think you'll get reliable service from such a configuration. you could use a powered hub to power both the SSD and the Pi though.
[1:57] <hmoney> correct
[1:57] <hmoney> i bought a usb to sata cable and didnt realize it wasnt external power
[1:57] <hmoney> im going to try it anyways, just for fun
[1:58] <hmoney> looks like people have mixed results online
[1:58] <PhotoJim> I would expect you to have a lot of weird crashes due to power issues
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[1:58] <PhotoJim> or just get a powered hub. problem solved.
[1:58] <hmoney> it's an extra pi, cant hurt -.-
[1:58] <PhotoJim> you can power the Pi from the hub too.
[1:59] <hmoney> yeah i might even have one around, i also have a 64gb usb stick that i could use instead of the ssd
[1:59] <mfa298> with a good psu you might be ok powering an ssd from the pi
[1:59] <PhotoJim> that will work better, powerwise
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[2:01] <hmoney> ^'
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[2:01] <hmoney> mixed results mfa, so i figured i'd try
[2:01] <mfa298> I've used the wd pidrive on the pi3 with the official psu powering both
[2:02] <mfa298> ssd probably isn't that different power wise
[2:02] <hmoney> ssd should be less power
[2:02] <hmoney> cuz no moving parts to move
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[2:03] <hmoney> looool
[2:03] <hmoney> connected ssd -> pi ssh disconnected and wont reconnect
[2:03] <hmoney> think that prob answers my question
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[2:03] <PhotoJim> SSD tends to have higher power draw than simple USB flash drives do since they have higher-performing hardware. built for speed.
[2:03] <PhotoJim> and yup, I think that does answer your question.
[2:04] <hmoney> :(
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[2:05] <hmoney> ye
[2:05] <hmoney> didnt crash with the usb drive
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[2:05] <hmoney> i snagged two zero w's today :)
[2:05] <PhotoJim> flash drives have simpler electronics, lower power draw
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[2:06] <mfa298> PhotoJim: the wd pidrive is a spinning drive not flash drive. but it does need a pi with decent psu (i.e. not a phone charger)
[2:07] <PhotoJim> ahh, gotcha
[2:07] <PhotoJim> it's probably a spinning disk with low power draw requirements, but that's just a guess
[2:08] <mfa298> they're designed specifically for the pi 2.5", usb interface, and i think single platter
[2:08] <PhotoJim> bbiab, food
[2:09] <hmoney> wtf
[2:09] <hmoney> be back in a bit?
[2:09] <hmoney> what happened to good ole 'afk'?
[2:09] * hmoney triggered
[2:09] <ball> bbiaf
[2:10] <ball> mbbnt <- might be back next Tuesday
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[2:10] * hmoney kicks ball down a storm drain
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[2:12] <hmoney> rsync is gonna take forever :(
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[2:24] <ball> hmoney: Did you seed it via Sneakernet?
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[2:25] <j4ckcom> i can use other os instead of rasberian?
[2:26] <ball> j4ckcom: Yes, you can.
[2:26] <j4ckcom> what os?
[2:26] <hmoney> ball?
[2:27] <ball> j4ckcom: There are several Linux distributions. I run NetBSD and there's also RiscOS.
[2:27] <ball> ...Perhaps others, including a Windows run-time of sorts.
[2:27] <ball> hmoney: Yes?
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[2:27] <j4ckcom> installing other os is easy?
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[2:28] <hmoney> j4ckcom: there are 50+ OS for the raspi
[2:28] <hmoney> almost all of them are installing via flashing an image onto an sd card..
[2:28] <j4ckcom> great
[2:28] <hmoney> <ball> hmoney: Did you seed it via Sneakernet? <-- ???
[2:29] <j4ckcom> who made raspberry pi?
[2:29] <ball> j4ckcom: It's all about the same. You're dumping an image onto a microSDHC card.
[2:29] <hmoney> j4ckcom holy crap dude use google.
[2:29] <ball> j4ckcom: Beautiful people.
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[2:30] <ball> hmoney: I used rsync to refresh a snapshot that I carried to my house on a removeable hard disk drive...
[2:30] <ball> hmoney: ...because it would have taken too long to rsync the lot.
[2:30] <hmoney> ah
[2:30] <hmoney> yeah im using rsync on the entire microSD to boot a pi3 from usb instead
[2:30] <ball> ...from a production server about 400km away.
[2:31] <ball> Oh wait, less than that. That's the round trip.
[2:31] <ball> call it 200km.
[2:31] <ball> ...just far enough to make it inconvenient to drive there every day.
[2:31] <hmoney> is that because rsync is slow or your bandwidth is slow?
[2:31] <hmoney> ooh it finished
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[2:32] <ball> hmoney: Mostly because *upstream* bandwidth at the site with the server is insufficient.
[2:32] <ball> rsync itself is only as slow as your disks.
[2:32] <ball> (and WAN pipe)
[2:33] <hmoney> man i get irrationally angry at slow upload speed
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[2:33] <hmoney> bandwidth in general, but especially upload speed
[2:33] <hmoney> i was like 10 when 56k became a thing, and i've had cable / fiber for so many years that crap inet just kills me
[2:33] <ball> hmoney: My users at the site care more about downlink speeds.
[2:34] * hmoney eyes his plex server and glares at low upload speeds
[2:34] <ball> downstream*
[2:34] * ball nods
[2:34] <ball> You know what I'm talking about then.
[2:35] <hmoney> i moved to cali for a bit and had 150/20
[2:35] <hmoney> which was really more like 160/7
[2:35] <hmoney> i cried myself to sleep every night
[2:35] <Rickta59> * used to use sprints dialiup network @2400
[2:35] <hmoney> for being a tech powerhouse their network infrastructure is complete garbage, even in silicon valley
[2:37] <hmoney> When the Pi has shutdown, disconnect the power supply before removing the SD card. Next, reconnect the power supply — your Raspberry Pi should now be booting from the USB device!
[2:37] <hmoney> wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[2:37] <ball> At home I have 3M/1.5M
[2:37] <hmoney> ball that is terrible
[2:38] <ball> hmoney: Reliability seems to have improved over the past month or two though, so that's good.
[2:38] <hmoney> i used to work helpdesk for a big restaurant chain
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[2:38] <hmoney> that's when i realized that ISP's are evil and NOC's are there to bend over while providing zero help
[2:39] <ball> I used to work NOC, but that was in-house.
[2:39] <hmoney> with that being said, on the consumer side, 90% of issues can be fixed with getting rid of the ISP's cable modem/router combo and changing the default DNS
[2:39] <hmoney> the other 10% is poor infrastructure and squirrels
[2:39] <ball> I pay about UKP 39/month for 3M/1.5M
[2:40] <ball> (US$ 47)
[2:40] <ball> +ehft
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[2:49] <hmoney> jeez
[2:49] <hmoney> i pay $55 for 75/75, would be $65 for 150/150 fiber but i just dont need it
[2:52] <ball> Fibre isn't an option here.
[2:52] <hmoney> i want it, but dont need it
[2:53] <hmoney> even better, it's fiber to the home not to the node
[2:53] <ball> Wired Internet service barely is.
[2:53] <ball> ...and I live in a town.
[2:53] <hmoney> you live in a tree mate?
[2:53] <hmoney> you swingin from branch to branch? ;)
[2:53] <ball> I think the trees have better Internet service than my house ;-)
[2:54] <ball> hmoney: I live in Illinois, USA
[2:55] <hmoney> illi-not-noice
[2:55] <hmoney> :(
[2:56] * binaryhermit wonders what ball thinks about rauner
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[2:56] * binaryhermit also lives in Illinois
[2:56] <ball> binaryhermit: This would not be the venue for that discussion ;-)
[2:56] <ball> binaryhermit: I'm about 100km S. of Chicago.
[2:56] * binaryhermit can't say what he thinks because it would likely include profanity
[2:57] <ball> ...I actually drove to Chicago yesterday, for work.
[2:57] * binaryhermit is about 35 miles SW of Chicago
[2:58] <hmoney> according to the news you should be dead ball
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[2:58] <hmoney> chicago is iraq :x
[2:59] <binaryhermit> that's only the south and west sides, tbh
[2:59] <ball> hmoney: Thankfully the television news is rubbish.
[2:59] <ball> (except perhaps for the BBC)
[2:59] <binaryhermit> and there are other cities that are worse murder-rate wise
[2:59] <ball> ...and there are times when I have my doubts about them, too.
[3:00] <ball> binaryhermit: I visit Joliet quite a bit too. ;-)
[3:00] <binaryhermit> I'm in lockport
[3:00] * ball nods
[3:00] <ball> I was there the other day.
[3:01] <binaryhermit> I see
[3:01] <ball> I wasn't far off with my estimate though.
[3:01] <ball> brb, time to put my child process to bed.
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[3:03] <binaryhermit> no you weren't
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[3:21] <Se7en> Hello. I am looking for the username and password to the recovery console in NOOOBS?
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[3:28] <Se7en> I am having a problem with Noobs
[3:29] <Se7en> OSMC failed to upgrade correctly and now I have an inability to reinstall through NOOBS
[3:29] <Se7en> Keep getting odd errors
[3:30] <Se7en> Is there a way to format the whole disk without harming NOOBs?
[3:30] <Se7en> The big thing is it seems to be unable to overwrite the entire thing it's supposed to
[3:30] <Se7en> The system's OS
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[3:44] <hmoney> why do you even need noobs?
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[4:11] <Se7en> hmoney: I'd rather use it
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[4:12] <Se7en> I am unable to delete the paritions on the n00bs SD card...
[4:13] <Sonny_Jim> < Se7en> Is there a way to format the whole disk without harming NOOBs? <--- Not really. Formatting implies erasing the whole disk
[4:13] <Se7en> Well I've moved on from that
[4:13] <Sonny_Jim> Just write a new image to it
[4:13] <Se7en> Trying to, Sonny_Jim
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[4:13] <Phischi> hi
[4:13] <Se7en> fdisk, gparted, etc seems unable to modify the SD card and I don't understand why
[4:14] <Sonny_Jim> Se7en: Try this:
[4:14] <Se7en> It looks like it deletes and runs and shit
[4:14] <Sonny_Jim> Language
[4:14] <Se7en> And all the commands run without error
[4:14] <Phischi> can somebody point me to a tutorial how to start 2 hostapd-configs (for 2 APs)?
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[4:14] <Se7en> Yet it doesn't do anything
[4:14] <Phischi> Using Raspbian Jessie on a Pi3
[4:14] <Sonny_Jim> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/SD_DEVICE bs=1k count=512
[4:14] <Se7en> Ok
[4:14] <Sonny_Jim> That'll completely erase the partition table
[4:14] <Se7en> I trid dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdc
[4:15] <Sonny_Jim> But make double sure the output device (the of= part) is the correct device
[4:15] <Se7en> ran your command
[4:15] <Se7en> No change
[4:15] <Sonny_Jim> No change to what?
[4:15] <Se7en> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=1k count=512
[4:15] <Se7en> # fdisk -l
[4:15] <Se7en> Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type
[4:16] <Se7en> /dev/sdc1 8192 1675781 1667590 814.3M e W95 FAT16 (LBA)
[4:16] <Se7en> /dev/sdc2 1679360 15349759 13670400 6.5G 5 Extended
[4:16] <Se7en> /dev/sdc3 15349760 15415295 65536 32M 83 Linux
[4:16] <Se7en> /dev/sdc5 1687552 1851391 163840 80M c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[4:16] <Se7en> /dev/sdc6 1859584 15349759 13490176 6.4G 83 Linux
[4:16] <Sonny_Jim> Wait what....
[4:16] <Sonny_Jim> Are you logged in as root?
[4:16] <Se7en> I'm running the command on my computer in a root console
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[4:17] <Sonny_Jim> type whoami
[4:17] <Se7en> I just told you
[4:17] <Se7en> I'm running the commands in a root console
[4:17] <Sonny_Jim> Yes, but what is the output of whoami
[4:17] <Se7en> root
[4:17] <Sonny_Jim> Ok then
[4:17] <Sonny_Jim> Remove the device, reinsert it, check the output of fdisk again
[4:18] <Se7en> Same output
[4:18] <Sonny_Jim> No error message when running DD?
[4:18] <Se7en> No, it completes succesfully
[4:18] <Sonny_Jim> Could you show me the output of dd please
[4:18] <Se7en> n# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=1k count=512
[4:18] <Se7en> 512+0 records in
[4:18] <Se7en> 512+0 records out
[4:18] <Se7en> 524288 bytes (524 kB) copied, 0.118564 s, 4.4 MB/s
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[4:19] <Sonny_Jim> That's bizarre
[4:19] <Sonny_Jim> You have found a magic SD device that doesn't allow it's FAT to be altered
[4:19] <Sonny_Jim> Congratulations!
[4:19] <Se7en> I ordered this SD from the pi website
[4:19] <Se7en> This was my NOOBs SD
[4:19] <Se7en> From 2015
[4:20] <Sonny_Jim> Have you tried inserting the SD card into another machine?
[4:20] <Se7en> This is my only machine atm
[4:20] <Sonny_Jim> Weird
[4:20] <Sonny_Jim> Not even got a mobile phone?
[4:20] <Se7en> No
[4:21] <Se7en> I have another SD card though
[4:21] <Se7en> I just didn't want to waste the one that came with the damn machine
[4:21] <Sonny_Jim> Try a different SD reader if you have one
[4:21] <Sonny_Jim> As I refuse to believe that dd will report that the zeros were written successfully but then fdisk will still show the old partition, even after being removed and replugged
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[4:23] <Tachyon`> I've had an SD card that appears to take data but doesn't
[4:23] <Tachyon`> just stuc with the content it was written with years ago
[4:24] <Sonny_Jim> I've had that seemingly happen, but after unplugging and replugging it always updated it properly
[4:24] <Se7en> I have another one
[4:24] <Se7en> I'm using thast one
[4:24] <Se7en> I've given up for the time being
[4:24] <Se7en> All I wanted to do was use OSMC
[4:24] <Se7en> This all started when OSMC updated and produced systemd errors
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[4:25] <Phischi> nobody around who could tell me how to start 2 hostapd's on startup in Raspbian? :)
[4:25] <Se7en> Which should I format it to?
[4:25] <Se7en> Fat 32 or Fat 32 (LBA)
[4:26] <Phischi> not sure if I can do that with DAEMON_CONF="/etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf,/etc/hostapd/hostapd2.conf" or similar?
[4:26] <Se7en> Sonny_Jim?
[4:26] <Se7en> Tachyon`
[4:27] <Se7en> Fat32 or Fat32 (LBA)
[4:27] <Tachyon`> I'm not sure really, LBA perhaps?
[4:27] <Tachyon`> assuming it's larger than 512M but I don't know
[4:27] <Se7en> I don's understand the difference
[4:27] <Se7en> It's an 8GB
[4:27] <Tachyon`> LBA was large block addressing, a hack to make the addressing work on drives larger than 512MiB in the mid 1990s
[4:28] <Se7en> So I should use it?
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[4:29] <ball> Wasn't it 528 MB?
[4:29] <Tachyon`> 528MB, 512MiB, same thing
[4:30] <kon_> eww fat
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[4:30] <Se7en> What do you mean, eww fat
[4:30] <Se7en> According to everything I have read NOOBS needs fat
[4:31] <Tachyon`> for the boot partition
[4:31] <ball> Tachyon`: I may have to check that.
[4:31] <Tachyon`> fat or fat32
[4:31] <Se7en> http://qdosmsq.dunbar-it.co.uk/blog/2013/06/noobs-for-raspberry-pi/
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[4:37] <ball> Ah, the "528 MB" limit was really 504 MB.
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[4:37] <ball> ...and the 512 MB limit was an MS-DOS 5 thing
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[4:39] <zumba_addict> hey folks, how pi be setup as peer to peer via wifi interface?
[4:39] <zumba_addict> hey folks, can pi be setup as peer to peer via wifi interface?
[4:40] <ball> zumba_addict: Probably.
[4:41] <zumba_addict> cool. It's because I want to directly connect to it from my laptop but not sure if laptop can be configured that way too. I didn't think about that part
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[4:41] <zumba_addict> but most likely pi can be configured as an AP right?
[4:41] <ball> zumba_addict: What operating system do you use on your laptop?
[4:41] <zumba_addict> mac osx
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[4:44] <ball> zumba_addict: My understanding is that MacOS uses "ad hoc" mode for some things, so the hardware's probably capable of it. That said, I wouldn't put it past Apple to hide that functionality in the interest of dumbing things down for their users.
[4:45] <zumba_addict> k
[4:45] <zumba_addict> let me check
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[4:45] <ball> zumba_addict: You could ask in ##mac, for that end of the link.
[4:45] <zumba_addict> ok
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[4:54] <Phischi> #so uhm
[4:55] <Phischi> nobody around who could tell me how to start 2 hostapd's on startup in Raspbian? :)
[4:55] <Sonny_Jim> How do you start them normally
[4:55] <GreeningGalaxy> the way I sometimes run hostapd is to add a line to rc.local which starts a detached screen session running hostapd
[4:56] <GreeningGalaxy> (e.g. screen -d -m -S hostapd1 hostapd)
[4:56] <ball> Phischi: Possibly.
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[4:56] <Sonny_Jim> Do you really need to run it under screen though?
[4:57] <GreeningGalaxy> No, but I like being able to attach to it and see what went wrong if it breaks.
[4:57] <GreeningGalaxy> oh, and it isn't going to just be the command hostapd, you have to specify the config file. screen -d -m -S hostapd1 hostapd /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf
[4:57] <GreeningGalaxy> eventually hostapd will stop sounding like a real word :D
[4:58] <GreeningGalaxy> if you don't use a screen session, don't forget the & when you put it in rc.local or your boot won't go anywhere.
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[5:04] <Phischi> ooops
[5:04] <Phischi> I need to run 2 APs on 2 physical wifi-devices on startup here
[5:06] <Phischi> I did try DAEMON_CONF="/etc/hostapd/hostapd1.conf /etc/hostapd/hostapd2.conf" in /etc/default/hostapd but I see no wifinetworks on my phone
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[5:07] <Phischi> and DAEMON_OPTS="-d"
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[5:43] <Sonny_Jim> Oh dear
[5:43] <Sonny_Jim> Nintendo switch looks like it might be their swan song
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[5:45] <ball> Sonny_Jim: Probably overdue, that.
[5:45] <ball> The Wii was the last credible console I saw from Ninteno.
[5:45] <ball> Nintendo*
[5:46] <ball> ...and they treated Wii users poorly when they shut down the on-line gaming for it.
[5:46] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah just crazy some of the design choices they've made
[5:46] <Sonny_Jim> Plastic screen gets scratched when placed into the dock, for example
[5:47] <Sonny_Jim> Also the whole 'put it in the dock and get better graphics!!11' thing is total rubbish. Go look at a teardown of one, it's literally just a USB-C -> HDMI convertor, not an extra GPU
[5:47] <Sonny_Jim> But anyway, rant over
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[5:59] <functionoverform> hey so i just installed a new raspbian image on my pi, and I can't launch the terminal from the pixel desktop
[5:59] <functionoverform> if i exit out, i can run whatever commands i want, it's just annoying mostly
[6:00] <ball> functionoverform: I don't know pixel but does Alt+F2 let you run anything?
[6:01] <functionoverform> i suppose, possibly, in the background?
[6:02] <functionoverform> it's odd, i'm also getting a dpkg fatal error whenever i try to install anything
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[6:02] <functionoverform> it's getting annoying
[6:02] <ball> Well I was hoping it would give you a prompt where you could type "xterm" for example.
[6:02] <functionoverform> yeah, i tried that
[6:02] <functionoverform> in the little "run" box
[6:02] <functionoverform> but it didn't exist
[6:03] <functionoverform> so i backed out of the desktop to the terminal, to try to install it
[6:03] <functionoverform> which then gave me a dpkg error
[6:03] <redrabbit> theres an included term emu
[6:03] <functionoverform> yeah, it doesn't launch when clicked
[6:04] <redrabbit> that's odd
[6:04] <functionoverform> somehow chromium works great, but i can't get a terminal
[6:04] <functionoverform> it's impressive
[6:04] <redrabbit> last time i tried pixel was a few month ago no issue
[6:04] <redrabbit> maybe last image has some rotten bits
[6:04] <functionoverform> yeah, i just downloaded the image from march 3rd
[6:04] <functionoverform> and i had the one from january, which gave me a whole other host of issues
[6:04] <redrabbit> should work right away
[6:05] <redrabbit> :c
[6:05] <functionoverform> i've tried 3 sd cards, and I'm about to try a second pi
[6:05] <functionoverform> but it's pretty frustrating
[6:05] <redrabbit> ah the joys of linux as a dsektop
[6:05] <redrabbit> desktop
[6:05] <functionoverform> i guess, i'm using my manjaro pc right now to talk to you
[6:05] <functionoverform> it's been running strong for 5 years
[6:05] <functionoverform> without a single issue.
[6:05] <functionoverform> more like the joys of sbc's
[6:05] <redrabbit> i have a dozen of linux machines but i can't skip on my win10 for my main rig
[6:06] <functionoverform> I've been using linux for 9 years now, and this raspberry pi 3 is the most frustrating lol
[6:06] <redrabbit> too much things to tinker with i can't mess with my main rig all the time
[6:06] <functionoverform> my B+ was more reliable
[6:07] <redrabbit> im happy with my pi3
[6:07] <redrabbit> all cli stuff mostly
[6:07] <functionoverform> yeah, i would be if the damn image worked. I don't use debian enough to know what i'm doing as far as fixing it
[6:07] <redrabbit> yea no term ain't allright
[6:07] <redrabbit> that's strange though
[6:08] <redrabbit> clean image ?
[6:08] <redrabbit> you're sure its not coming from your side
[6:08] <ball> I like my Raspberry Pi 2.
[6:08] <ball> ...seems pretty stable to me.
[6:08] <ball> Slow, but stable.
[6:09] <redrabbit> i use only debian based dists
[6:09] <redrabbit> debian, armbian, raspbian, ubuntu
[6:10] <redrabbit> so far that choice have served me well
[6:10] * ball <- doesn't use Linux
[6:10] <redrabbit> stability wise
[6:10] <functionoverform> I'm about to try the "lite" image
[6:10] <functionoverform> maybe that will work
[6:10] <redrabbit> i only use lite images
[6:11] <redrabbit> well when i tried pixel that was pretty impressive though
[6:11] <Sonny_Jim> Meh, never been that impressed with desktop performance on the Pis
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[6:11] <Sonny_Jim> But for the price,yadda yadda
[6:11] <Phischi> ooops, bad ISP
[6:11] <redrabbit> i have no time to fix my ubuntu install, i wish i could find a way to control fan speed with it like speedfan on windows does
[6:12] <Phischi> btw. is there a premade image that comes with a LAMP-installation with Rails?
[6:12] <redrabbit> then i could run my vm's from linux instead
[6:12] <functionoverform> there's something for arch that works
[6:12] <functionoverform> I can't remember the name of the package to control the fans
[6:12] <functionoverform> but i've used it before
[6:12] <Sonny_Jim> I've not to had fiddle around with things like that in ages
[6:12] <redrabbit> Sonny_Jim: yeah its perfs relative to what it is
[6:13] <Sonny_Jim> Only time I have had to recently was with a enterprise class server with a management module
[6:13] <functionoverform> yeah, the lite image might be the way to go, who knows, i'm dd'ing now
[6:13] <redrabbit> i wouldnt recommand using a pi as a desktop unless you only do text based cli/browsing
[6:13] <Sonny_Jim> Not fun having to work in the same room as a 4U rackmount with 13(!) fans running full speed
[6:13] <functionoverform> I'm using it to control an automated system
[6:13] <functionoverform> definitely not for use as a desktop computer
[6:13] <redrabbit> i can't stand fan noise
[6:13] <ball> I can't hear fan noise ;-)
[6:13] <functionoverform> it's going to use crontab and arduino with some python scripts, that's about it
[6:14] <redrabbit> ihaven't found yet a satisfying way to control fans on linux
[6:14] <redrabbit> there's things that exist but they never even started to work for me
[6:14] <Sonny_Jim> redrabbit: It's normally done through, erm, ACPI? Something like that
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[6:14] <redrabbit> probably because the mobo is beeing difficult / capricious
[6:14] * Sonny_Jim nods
[6:15] <redrabbit> i succeeded from win7/ fanspeed so i know its possible
[6:15] <Sonny_Jim> Let the BIOS do it, no idea why you'd ever want to change fan speeds
[6:15] <redrabbit> just a giant pita to make it work
[6:15] <redrabbit> already wasted a few hours trying at it
[6:15] <redrabbit> ..nope
[6:15] <redrabbit> Sonny_Jim: dude
[6:16] <redrabbit> the bios does a wack-o job
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[6:16] <redrabbit> its not silent on idle and it doesnt react much to temperature changes
[6:17] <redrabbit> imo that's true even with the last gen of mobos
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[6:17] <redrabbit> they do react better
[6:17] <Phischi> guys, how do I manually pull NTP time?
[6:17] <redrabbit> but control is still far better from dedicated software
[6:17] <Sonny_Jim> Phischi: service ntpd restart should do it
[6:18] <Phischi> Sonny_Jim: ah thanks
[6:18] <Sonny_Jim> Sorry, that should be ntp
[6:18] <Phischi> yeah :)
[6:18] <redrabbit> that sucks cause its the last reason i keep win7 on that pc
[6:18] <Phischi> Sonny_Jim: looks like my pi fogot it should read the time from the attached hwclock
[6:18] <redrabbit> id run that win7 instance in a vm on ubuntu if i could control the dam fans
[6:19] <Sonny_Jim> Why are you running a VM?
[6:19] <redrabbit> its a TV server / VM platform atm
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[6:19] <Sonny_Jim> Never understood why you'd ever want to run a VM at home
[6:19] <redrabbit> TV server needs windows
[6:19] <Chillum> windows is best kept to a VM
[6:19] <Sonny_Jim> Office deployment, sure
[6:19] <redrabbit> exaclty
[6:20] <Chillum> I run 2 or 3 vms sometimes, it is why I got 32gb of ram
[6:20] <Sonny_Jim> But why?
[6:20] <redrabbit> Sonny_Jim: neither you understand why people would want proper control over their fans
[6:20] <Chillum> I like to develop for different systems
[6:20] <redrabbit> ^^
[6:20] <Chillum> also, photoshop does not work in linux
[6:20] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
[6:20] <redrabbit> because, it's good to have control over your systems
[6:20] <Sonny_Jim> Gentoo ricers, more like
[6:21] <redrabbit> and VMs offer that
[6:21] <redrabbit> control and security
[6:21] <Sonny_Jim> VMs don't offer more control or more security
[6:21] <Sonny_Jim> Explain how a VM offers you more security
[6:21] <Chillum> I also use them when I want to run some software that needs bleeding edge versions of everything and I don't want to mess up my regular OS
[6:21] <redrabbit> if you use them properly they do
[6:21] <Chillum> and to run questionable software
[6:21] <redrabbit> exactly what Chillum is saying
[6:21] <Chillum> it is a power user thing I guess ;)
[6:22] <redrabbit> running a server from a windows VM vs from a windows machine
[6:22] <redrabbit> it does makes a security difference
[6:22] <redrabbit> a big one
[6:22] <Phischi> Sonny_Jim: trying to instal Ruby right now
[6:22] <Chillum> if I want to test setup a server before deploying one I will have t pay for
[6:22] <Chillum> https://xkcd.com/350/ <-- this says it all
[6:22] <redrabbit> i also run an openvpn server for my 3G connected machines to connect to
[6:23] <redrabbit> so i can access their network and local ressources with a proper browser
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[6:24] <redrabbit> i have two other ovpn servers, but they are not for that purpose
[6:24] <ball> Chillum: That cracks me up. :-)
[6:24] <Chillum> I like that one
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[6:25] <redrabbit> ahah
[6:25] <redrabbit> Sonny_Jim: also if you do pen testing you might want VMs to train on
[6:25] <redrabbit> i have like winXP, 7 and 10 vm's ready to use in a click
[6:26] <redrabbit> various linux flavors as well
[6:26] <Chillum> if you want to try out a particular hack and you don't want to attack a stranger you can try it out on your own VM
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[6:26] <Chillum> it is great for trying out all the ways to break into windoze
[6:26] <redrabbit> to run a sensible service you dont trust too
[6:26] <redrabbit> something open to the outside
[6:26] <redrabbit> if someone gained root
[6:27] <redrabbit> he would be trapped in a bubble
[6:27] <Chillum> while it is possible t break out of a VM most automated malware is not capable of this, it takes a skilled hacker up to date on their vulns
[6:27] <Chillum> it is not a magic cage though, you can get out
[6:27] <redrabbit> yeah there must be dozens of 0days
[6:27] <redrabbit> vms are complex software
[6:28] <Chillum> generally by finding arbitrary code execution vulnerabilities in virtual hardware drivers
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[6:28] <Chillum> detecting you are in a VM is much easier
[6:28] <Chillum> hardware just does not behave right
[6:28] <redrabbit> yeah its obvious from the hardware
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[6:29] <redrabbit> what do you use for vms
[6:29] <Chillum> virtualbox
[6:29] <redrabbit> same
[6:30] <redrabbit> i have to fix that fan speed issue though
[6:30] <redrabbit> cause usb from host to VM sucks on windows
[6:30] <Chillum> though qemu sometimes when I need more options, like ARM or better control over storage
[6:30] <redrabbit> it should be much better from a linux host
[6:30] <Chillum> works fine on linux
[6:31] <Chillum> usb3 even
[6:31] <redrabbit> yeah its a win only issue
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[6:31] <Chillum> impressive software, being able to emulate the 3 majors OSes on all 3 of the major OSes
[6:32] <Chillum> if you want to emulate a pi you can't do it on vbox, you can on qemu though
[6:32] <redrabbit> yeah and with seamless mode you can mix up windows from different os on the same workspace
[6:32] <Chillum> vbox does not do ARM
[6:32] <redrabbit> yeah but arm hardware is cheap enough to get more boards
[6:33] <redrabbit> never really wanted to mess with virtualized arm
[6:33] <redrabbit> sounds like a pocket or new problems
[6:33] <redrabbit> of*
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[6:35] <redrabbit> mining for trouble
[6:36] <redrabbit> Chillum: what would be the best dist to run a vm host for you
[6:37] <Chillum> a debian based on I would say
[6:37] <Chillum> they release debian packages themselves
[6:37] <redrabbit> i put ubuntu after trying debian + lxde as i usually do but i cringed right away at the poor -everything- base support and particularly for double screen
[6:38] <Chillum> I use mint, it in my opinion has the best gui and hardware suport
[6:38] <Chillum> works fine with double screen
[6:38] <redrabbit> i heard it was poor security was
[6:38] <redrabbit> it has a bad rep for that regard
[6:38] <Chillum> well they are a bit liberal with the new versions of things
[6:38] <redrabbit> ubuntu isn't as sexy but its solid
[6:38] <Chillum> but that is why it has support for more stuff
[6:39] <redrabbit> i need absolute trust
[6:39] <Chillum> I dropped ubuntu when they made their interface all tablety
[6:39] <redrabbit> yeah i dont like it either
[6:39] <Chillum> well centos is the OS that uses the most reliable ancient version of everything
[6:39] <redrabbit> but after debian vanillia it seems like the most solid/no headache choice
[6:39] <redrabbit> even though i dont like it much
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[6:40] <Chillum> all the debian flavours are just different bars for when to upgrade packages to newer versions and some cosmetic differences
[6:40] <redrabbit> it has most things already pre configured
[6:41] <Chillum> you could just start with a base debian image and add packages only as needed
[6:41] <redrabbit> if i didnt needed gui or simple gui id go for lxde + debian or just netinstall as i do for all my pcs
[6:41] <redrabbit> linux gui from scratch can be long to setup
[6:41] <Chillum> if all you are doing is running vbox then a base debian image would be fine
[6:41] <redrabbit> i tried that
[6:42] <redrabbit> the more i wanted to do thing the more i figured it would take a whole day setting it up
[6:42] <Chillum> well that is the trade off
[6:42] <redrabbit> while that stuff is a few clicks away in bunty
[6:42] <redrabbit> buntu
[6:42] <Chillum> with mint most things "just work" but you have the latest versions of things that have not been vetted as much
[6:42] <redrabbit> i wish i had unlimited time but id rather do something useful
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[6:43] <redrabbit>
[6:43] <Chillum> base deb is much more conservative and is more secure but harder to get things working
[6:43] <redrabbit> yah bunutu is in the middle
[6:43] <Chillum> so you have to decide between comfort and security
[6:43] <redrabbit> its neither secure or comfy or good looking
[6:43] <redrabbit> :')
[6:43] <Chillum> or just give up on life and run windows hehe
[6:44] <redrabbit> well i run way more linux instances than windows
[6:44] <redrabbit> i have win7 and win10 on two towers..
[6:44] <redrabbit> if i nail the fan issue i could put win7 in a vm and be like.. ahhhhh finally
[6:45] <redrabbit> i need native linux badly on this pc
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[6:47] <redrabbit> since its hooked up to my double display setup.. while all my linux is headless exept an old note book
[6:48] <redrabbit> i must be 4:20 somewhere, like on mars or something
[6:48] <redrabbit> cheers
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[6:50] <sd-m> pretty sure you can fillde with the numbers 6:48 = 4<< 8-6 = 420 :)
[6:51] <redrabbit> instead of the classic double boot i kept my old tower and i upgraded the hardware a bit... if only i could control fans i could actually do it
[6:52] <redrabbit> and have full linux + full win10 at the same time
[6:56] <sd-m> tis pc will never have fan issues :) when i bought it new it ran for half a year with loose cooler @ 96c and down trottled
[6:58] <kon_> :D
[7:02] <redrabbit> its not an issue, like its working fine, but its the noise that's the issue
[7:02] <sd-m> i din't even notice it back then i just was like why is my cpu 1,6ghz on reboot instead of 2,5 or what it supossed to be
[7:02] <redrabbit> doesnt make sense to spin the fans at max speed on idle too
[7:02] <sd-m> prehapds the fan just dead
[7:03] <redrabbit> fanspeed on windows gives me perfect control over the speeds depending the temperature of various sensors
[7:04] <redrabbit> that level of customisation dont exist on linux
[7:04] <redrabbit> even if you manage to get the stuff that exists working
[7:04] <sd-m> because normaly you don't need to
[7:04] <redrabbit> you need to if you need silence
[7:05] <sd-m> then research te solution ? under clock + no fan
[7:05] <redrabbit> it also ramps up the speed to cool when you need the power
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[7:05] <redrabbit> cause this machine encodes stuff
[7:05] <redrabbit> no way to go that route
[7:05] <sd-m> et a scyte mugen or other cooler that weighs 1kg in copper/allumenium
[7:05] <redrabbit> it dosent make sense
[7:06] <redrabbit> pc is cool and quiet on windows
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[7:06] <sd-m> if you run stock cooler it does make sense
[7:06] <redrabbit> i dont need to touch the hardware
[7:06] <redrabbit> and its a full noctua setup :c
[7:06] <sd-m> but let me gues windows often crashes and reboots though ?
[7:06] <redrabbit> nope its uber stable
[7:07] <redrabbit> its just windows
[7:07] <kon_> i put a nh d15 on all my rasps
[7:07] <redrabbit> icky
[7:07] <redrabbit> i can't read ext4 from windows
[7:07] <redrabbit> i can't run linux tools exept from a vm
[7:07] <redrabbit> with dodgy usb support
[7:07] <sd-m> then you must have some weird hardware like how is that one brand called compaqt ?
[7:07] <redrabbit> its a P5Q-E mobo
[7:08] <redrabbit> very common
[7:08] <sd-m> asus bord i think ?
[7:08] <redrabbit> it syep
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[7:08] <redrabbit> yep
[7:10] <redrabbit> pwmcontrol for linux states and refers to amilco which is the speedfan editor when it comes to hardware compatibility
[7:10] <redrabbit> so since it does work on windows it should on linux
[7:11] <redrabbit> exept irl its a pita
[7:11] <sd-m> yeah never had problem with my p5w-dh
[7:11] <redrabbit> what do you use
[7:11] <sd-m> fedora
[7:12] <redrabbit> for fan control
[7:12] <sd-m> i let it do itself it always worked but i have one of these big coolers and just basic 8cm silent cooler
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[7:16] <redrabbit> i guess i have exeptionnal standards for quiet though
[7:16] <redrabbit> i dont want to be able to notice that its running or not based on sound at idle
[7:17] <redrabbit> it requires precise control otherwise its not properly cooled
[7:17] <redrabbit> i could dim them down with controllers but they will not follow actual temps
[7:18] <redrabbit> not good
[7:19] <sd-m> well installed lm_sensors and all my cpu = 35 c and fan runs at 1205 rpm
[7:22] <sd-m> but you looked at lm_sensors i2ctools pwmcontrols i assume ?
[7:23] <redrabbit> yeah
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[7:23] <redrabbit> i tried to change speed manually in sys/class/hwmon as well
[7:23] <sd-m> fancontrolpwmcontrol =pwmconfig
[7:23] <redrabbit> it never budged
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[10:51] <The_Xman> Hello
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[12:14] <NineChickens> so I have a question
[12:14] <NineChickens> can you connect HATs to a Zero W?
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> yes.
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[12:17] <gordonDrogon> they're just bigger than the Zero :)
[12:17] <NineChickens> ok
[12:17] <NineChickens> It's just that I was considering doing some servo stuff and the servo hat does not list the zero w
[12:18] <NineChickens> or the zero
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> on my desk is a Rainbow HAT on a Zero-W ..
[12:18] <NineChickens> https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/breakout-boards/adafruit/adafruit-16-channel-pwm-servo-hat/?search=servo
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> the connector is identical.
[12:18] <NineChickens> yeah
[12:18] <NineChickens> just you have to solder the header on
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> won't be an issue.
[12:18] <NineChickens> I can do that
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> I use the pimoroni coup� cases which have a layer of acrylic between the Pi and the HAt.
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> the only down-side with the zero is that nuts on the case make the HAT tilt a little rather than sit flat, but it's no big deal for me here.
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[12:24] <NineChickens> yeah
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[12:31] <Hix> hello folks. Quick dd question: what is the speediest BS= i can get away with on µSD? I've been using BS=1M, but it takes an age. I've got 4 Pis to set up and wanted to try and make it as painless as possible, lest I lose my entire Sunday
[12:32] <SpeedEvil> Start out with a small filesystem then extend it
[12:34] <Hix> Hi SpeedEvil, as in format the card with a partition of say 2G then extend after dd?
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[12:34] <mgottschlag> ... or get a faster SD card. :)
[12:35] <SpeedEvil> yes
[12:35] <SpeedEvil> or that
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[12:36] <NineChickens> yay
[12:36] <NineChickens> I get free shipping
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[12:36] <NineChickens> bad news: project costs nearly £70
[12:36] <Hix> They're all Sandisk Ultra class 10's. I'll give the partition thing a whirl. is bs=4M safe do you think?
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[12:42] <NineChickens> so a pi 3b needs 2.5A
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[12:48] <mfa298> Hix: I'm not sure bs=4m will be much faster than bs=1m, If you're writing one of the standard raspbian images it shouldn't take that long to write to the µSD (maybe ~10 mins per card)
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[12:48] <Hix> It seems to be an OS X issue: 1393557504 bytes transferred in 2501.398027 secs (557111 bytes/sec)
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[12:49] <Hix> ~42 mins, and that was Jessie Lite :/
[12:50] <mfa298> I think I'd try a different reader / computer
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[12:51] <Hix> could be time to dig out the old Thinkpad X200
[12:52] <alexandre9099> i have some heavy usb load on my RPi and when using them the red power light goes off and it starts to be very slow :/ i think the problem is the power suply that is not enough for this, what power supply can i buy for the Rpi 3? (I have a dvb-t usb decoder, when i start the TV stream the red light goes down, and i have 2 usb pendrives on raid 0, when i'm copying files to them the red light blinks)
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[12:54] <NineChickens> What power supply do you have?
[12:55] <alexandre9099> i dont really know, it is a cheap one that is incorporated on a wall socket, it says 2*1A i think
[12:56] <NineChickens> They recommend 2.5A
[12:56] <NineChickens> I use my kindle charger, that's 1.8A
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[12:56] <NineChickens> so go for an official one
[12:56] <NineChickens> also try a powered usb hub
[12:56] <NineChickens> I plugged a usb hdd into my pi and it instantly crashed from the power drain
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[12:57] <alexandre9099> i might try to buy a micro usb breakout so i can connect my rasberry to my ATX power supply, i think 10/15A are enought :D
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[12:58] <Hix> I used an old 20V laptop PSU linked to a hammond case filled with LM2596 modules and a load of banana plugs on the lid
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[12:59] <Hix> Though I just ordered a load of these last night, to test: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252467553739
[12:59] <bedah> http://imgur.com/a/RhGwf my raspi PSUs
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[13:01] <alexandre9099> Hix: well, that is way to overpriced, did you took a look on the chinese ones,they are similiar and you get like 10 for 1 dollar
[13:02] <Hix> alexandre9099: aliexpress and DX? I thought I'd try a few first, to be fair, it's not going to break the bank :D but good to know, cheers
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[13:03] <alexandre9099> no, on ebay :)
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[13:04] <alexandre9099> sry, actually i was wrong
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[13:05] <alexandre9099> this one is 10 for almost 9 $
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[13:06] <alexandre9099> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-PCS-LM2596-DC-DC-buck-adjustable-step-down-Power-Supply-Converter-module-/221920170517?hash=item33ab791215:g:5zEAAOSw~bFWKKJO
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[13:08] <Hix> ah, yeah I have a load of them, but I wanted to test some smaller ones, I've got a load of Pi nest cams and space is very tight.
[13:08] <alexandre9099> :)
[13:09] <Hix> One of the cams gave up the ghost in the week, it had been going for nearly 2 year solid. Annoying, but impressive at the same time
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[13:12] <NineChickens> I need to find my big box of cables
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[13:12] <NineChickens> ]It's probably got my VGA-HDMI and old laptop's charger
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[13:12] <alexandre9099> do you know any kind of ups for the RPi, i tried using a power bank but it is slow when switching between brige and "sending" charge
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[13:13] <alexandre9099> *bridge
[13:15] <Hix> I found this in the week, the boards are no longer available, but you can get some made up ay Hackvana etc for little money. Seems like a good project https://git.nexlab.net/nexlab/SafePI
[13:16] <Hix> BOM is here: http://pastebin.com/raw/J6F4eBhh
[13:18] <alexandre9099> cool
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[13:20] <alexandre9099> wait... why power in 12v?
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[13:21] <alexandre9099> that is an extra conversion step
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[13:39] <Sonny_Jim> alexandre9099: Whack a big cap on the output of the power bank :)
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[13:39] <alexandre9099> yea, that would work, i think
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[13:50] <mfa298> depending on how long the power bank takes to switch, big cap might mean several farad super cap
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[14:33] <HoloIRCUser> What I'd really like to do is having an universal wireless adapter, that doesn't need absolutely any driver, that works on any os, and possibly that doesn't have slowness issue ion old computers caused by USB 1.1. Do u think that, to do this, j could take a tiny computer like raspberry pi, or something even cheaper possibly, attach to it a tinytouch screen so that I can easily control it, and then attach it to a computer through lan and share it's c
[14:34] <brainzap> just connect it to an access point?
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[14:35] <HoloIRCUser> brainzap: yeah
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[15:11] <brent77777> i have been trying to get 3d iso movies to play on my rpi with kodi for the last few days and no luck? can anyone help me?
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[15:13] <ShorTie> i'm guess 1080p ??
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[15:13] <brent77777> shortie - if that question is for me, yes
[15:15] <ShorTie> 1080p is to much for the rpi usb bandwidth
[15:15] <ShorTie> 720 is more normal
[15:15] <brent77777> i am using hdmi interface
[15:15] <brent77777> and using rpi3
[15:16] <ShorTie> ya, figured all that
[15:16] <ShorTie> but 720 is about the best most time
[15:16] <Zardoz> it can play 1080p
[15:16] <brent77777> really...rpi3 will not do 1080p?
[15:16] <Zardoz> no problem
[15:16] <Zardoz> whats it not doing?
[15:17] <brent77777> it is playing all my standard movies. having an issue with 3d movies
[15:17] <ShorTie> thats news to me, lol.
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[15:17] <brent77777> it plays all my 3d mkv files in sbs format
[15:18] <Zardoz> so, 3d might be a thing it cant do. but I have not done that myslef.
[15:18] <brent77777> but having issues with my 3d iso files
[15:18] <Zardoz> what does it do when trying to play the ISOs?
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[15:18] <brent77777> i click on the movie, and nothing happens
[15:19] <Zardoz> mmm
[15:19] <Zardoz> nothing...
[15:19] <Zardoz> and this is in kodi?
[15:19] <brent77777> well, there is a very short (<0.5 seconds) where it tries to load
[15:19] <brent77777> but then goes back to the main display
[15:19] <brent77777> yes, kodi
[15:20] <Zardoz> ok, so it tries to play
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[15:20] <brent77777> it appears to try
[15:20] <Zardoz> ok...
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[15:21] <brent77777> i read through thousands of forum posts and apparantly it is suppose to work
[15:23] <Zardoz> I have read 2 places that say the following
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[15:23] <Zardoz> Before adding your media source into Kodi library, one thing you should be clear is that whether Kodi has the input support for your 2D/3D Blu-ray ISO files,
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[15:24] <Zardoz> From above lists, we can see that Kodi including the support for passive 3D videos formats, however, it lacks the ability to handle both 2D/3D Blu-ray ISO files, therefore, the best solution to fix this issue is transcode 3D Blu-ray ISO to Kodi compatible 3D SBS/TAB/Anaglyph formats
[15:24] <brent77777> where did you read that?
[15:24] <Zardoz> http://www.multipelife.com/play-3d-blu-ray-iso-on-kodi.html
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[15:27] <brent77777> that is true for kodi running on a pc, but not for rasberry pi
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[15:29] <Zardoz> ok just found this under a newer post + Support for both MVC MKV's and 3D ISO's
[15:29] <funkster> anyone have a android phone/tablet? wonder what happens if raspberry pi is plugged into it. does it charge and/or ability to mount file system?
[15:29] <Zardoz> what distro are you using?
[15:30] <Zardoz> brent77777: what distro are you using?
[15:31] <brent77777> i have tried a bunch of the milhouse builds
[15:31] <brent77777> libreelec
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[15:32] <Zardoz> they are talking about the test builds on LibreELEC
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[15:32] <brent77777> http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=269814&page=138&highlight=%22frame+packed%22
[15:33] <Zardoz> http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=221407
[15:33] <Zardoz> look under pi
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[15:35] <brent77777> yeah, been through that
[15:36] <Zardoz> mmm
[15:36] <Zardoz> did not know but they have a new LibreELEC release
[15:37] <brent77777> i have tried many of those
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[15:38] <Zardoz> I dont have 3d I can test.
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[15:38] <Zardoz> never really liked it.,
[15:38] <brent77777> i went through thousands of posts last night, and looks like it does work
[15:38] <brent77777> just not for me :(
[15:39] <Zardoz> prolly some setting
[15:40] <brent77777> i have gone throught everything....i would agree...likely some setting
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[15:46] <Zardoz> brent77777: try turning off Video/Album Art overlay in the General settings
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[15:46] <Zardoz> sad times
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[15:48] <infid3l> hello everyone :)
[15:48] <infid3l> i have a kuman 3.5" LCD attached to my rpi. is it okay to unplug it while the raspi is running?
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[15:50] <Zardoz> infid3l: you prolly can, but...
[15:51] <Zardoz> brent77777: try turning off Video/Album Art overlay in the General settings
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[15:52] <brent77777> ok
[15:54] <brent77777> zardoz, i dont see that setting
[15:54] <Zardoz> mmm
[15:54] <Zardoz> it's an old post so...
[15:54] <Zardoz> still looking
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[16:06] <brent77777> there is some stuff in the log file that says unable to open device for playback
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[16:09] <Zardoz> lol I keep coming back to http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=221407
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[16:19] <redrabbit> do you guys change the minimium (idle) frequency of the cpu ?
[16:20] <redrabbit> i put it at the minimum, i was wondering if there's some real saving from it or not
[16:20] <redrabbit> temp/battery life wise
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[16:20] <redrabbit> i feel like it does something.. not that's highly scientific
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[17:49] <shinnigami> Anyone home?
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[17:57] <max12345> hey, how do I verify that I have successfully changed the password for the pi user?
[17:57] <max12345> and that the password is what I think it is?
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[17:58] <max12345> because when I "sudo something" it doesn't ask for the pw
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[18:20] <NineChickens> so I'm considering making a project where if I activate an input on a 3b it'll send a message to a zero w on the same wifi network
[18:20] <NineChickens> How could I send the message?
[18:21] <Qatz> Why 9 chickens?
[18:21] <Qatz> Why not oh 10?
[18:22] <NineChickens> because my username on other services is '19chickens'
[18:22] <NineChickens> NineteenChickens seemed too wordy
[18:22] <Qatz> Ah
[18:23] <Qatz> So then, why 19? Why not say 20?
[18:23] <NineChickens> because
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[18:32] <NineChickens> so yeah, what is the best way to send a message
[18:32] <NineChickens> I'm thinking either Bluetooth or UDP
[18:32] <clever> id go UDP or TCP depending on how important the msg is
[18:33] <NineChickens> It'd be, say, the number '10'
[18:34] <clever> TCP would prevent message loss
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[18:34] <clever> UDP would be a bit simpler
[18:34] <NineChickens> ok
[18:35] <NineChickens> I could use a 1B to act as a TCP server, right?
[18:35] <clever> either pi can act as a tcp server
[18:35] <NineChickens> OK
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> NineChickens, I use TCP in my wiringPi network stuff.
[18:36] <NineChickens> OK, so a TCP thing then
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> but there are many simple message passing libraries out there.
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> the wiringPi stuff allows you to do a digitalWrite() on one Linux box and have that write a Pi GPIO pin over the lan/wan/interweb tubes.
[18:37] <NineChickens> well, what I was going to do was have the 3b trigger the zero w with a servo hat
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> you can send a sort of message with it too - I have a system of 'virtual pins' in wiringPi, so here, I write a virtual pin with a value and the remote Pi picks this up and acts on it- which is how I control my oven. I write the temperature, then the software on the Pi does the actual control of the oven and writes the oven temp. to another virtual pin which the remote reads and displays.
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[18:39] <gordonDrogon> and one of these days I'll even document it... |-:
[18:40] <NineChickens> If you document it in the next three months I'd love to read that
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[18:43] <gordonDrogon> depends if you're coding in BASIC or C or not ...
[18:44] <NineChickens> python :p
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> as it won't support python until/unless someone (gadetoid) bothers to update the wrappers
[18:44] <NineChickens> aah ok
[18:44] <NineChickens> So until then the TCP idea would probably be best.
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi only supports C/C++ and BASIC natively - others have to port/wrap it.
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[18:45] <gordonDrogon> I think python makes it somewhat easy to do that sort of stuff anyway.
[18:45] <NineChickens> yeah, I'll do TCP then
[18:45] <NineChickens> thanks for the help
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> and it'll be fast enough with TCP on a LAN.
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> over a WAN the round trip time (ping time) may be an issue.
[18:46] <NineChickens> My plan would be to use my phone as a wifi router to begin with
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> run the phone in 'hotspot' mode?
[18:46] <NineChickens> because I'd see if I could build it at school
[18:46] <NineChickens> yeah
[18:46] <NineChickens> It would also let my laptop SSH into the pis
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> that works. I used it last weekend for a Pi Zero project I did for some fun.
[18:47] <NineChickens> ALL OF THEM
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> yup - I ssh'd from the phone into the Pi ZW.
[18:47] <NineChickens> I'm going to end up with like three pis and an ancient Ubuntu laptop all on a wifi network
[18:47] <NineChickens> IT will have a heart attack
[18:47] <NineChickens> "ok, what's the-jesus christ what have you built"
[18:47] <NineChickens> "a wireless door lock"
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> I doubt it. most phones today are better/faster than most access points of 2 years ago.
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> oh, I.T., not "it" .. :)
[18:48] <NineChickens> yeah lol
[18:48] <NineChickens> I actually need to find a charger for the laptop
[18:48] <NineChickens> Two batteries
[18:48] <NineChickens> no charger
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> most old laptopts are 19V or so ...
[18:49] <NineChickens> Yeah, 20V
[18:49] <NineChickens> X60s, but none of my chargers fit the port
[18:49] <NineChickens> The charger is somewhere
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[18:55] <NineChickens> speaking of which, where's the dock
[18:55] <NineChickens> because my 8-cell battery broke
[18:57] <NineChickens> That's not, explosions and fire broke
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[18:57] <NineChickens> But the two clips that stop it falling out broke
[18:57] <NineChickens> So the dock would stop it doing that
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[19:14] <Ofg> Gentlemen, if I clone 8gb SD card which has my raspbian OS on, to 32 gb SD card and then just swap them, would my rasppi work right away with that new SD card?
[19:14] <bub_> yeps
[19:15] <Ofg> thank you, bub_
[19:15] <bub_> npnp
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[19:45] <The_Xman> hi
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[19:49] <ThorinOfOak> Hi there, anyone have some time to troubleshoot a Pi Zero W wifi connectivity issue?
[19:51] <bub_> maybe, what's the problem?
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[20:00] <The_Xman> my rpi3 developed a problem this morning.
[20:00] <The_Xman> the power led become very dim
[20:00] <The_Xman> kinda sad
[20:01] <ShorTie> power problem ??
[20:01] <The_Xman> i thought so..
[20:01] <The_Xman> then I tried a few of my adapters
[20:01] <ShorTie> different cord ??
[20:01] <The_Xman> I have a Rapoo 4 port USB, 2 Amps each
[20:01] <The_Xman> tried few cables as well.
[20:01] <The_Xman> then I read about GPIO pins and the 3.3v and 5v outputs
[20:02] <The_Xman> so, I took my multimeter and tried to measure
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[20:02] <ShorTie> any sparks ??
[20:02] <The_Xman> there was 2.4v instead of 3.3, and about 4.85v instead of 5v
[20:03] <ShorTie> cable have 24awg printed on it ??
[20:03] <The_Xman> well, these are the same cables I have been using since the last 6 months with this pi
[20:03] <The_Xman> most of them are original motorola cables
[20:04] * ShorTie Thinkz, like means nuffin
[20:04] <ThorinOfOak> @bub_ I am running into issues connecting to WiFi. I've connected my Zero W to my iPhones WiFi but it wont connect to my personal home WiFi, but entries are WPA-PSK.
[20:04] <The_Xman> so, like I was saying, the 3.3v came back and the power led as well
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[20:04] <The_Xman> however, then I noticed that the chipset is getting very hot
[20:05] <The_Xman> (the act light also came up and then the chipset started becoming hot, though there was no hdmi out signal)
[20:05] <The_Xman> (i have a feeling that this is not repairable.)
[20:05] <bub_> ThorinOfOak: running raspbian?
[20:06] <ThorinOfOak> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=177131
[20:06] <ThorinOfOak> That describes the issue better
[20:07] <bub_> what does 'iwconfig' say?
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[20:09] <bub_> ThorinOfOak: follow this guide: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK
[20:09] <ThorinOfOak> Well, no copy paste since I can't connect to the internet on the pi. But basically wlan0: IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID: off/any, Mode: Managed, Acess Poing: Not-Associated Tx-Power=31 dBm, Retry short limit: 7 RTS thr: off Fragment thr: off, Power Mangement: on -> lo no wireless extensions.
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[20:10] <ThorinOfOak> bub_: ok, I will, anything you think I should look for specifically?
[20:13] <bub_> I take it you've tried just clicking on the wifi-icon on the desktop, find your ssid and enter the password
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[20:14] <bub_> oh, you've followed the wireless guide on raspberry.org too.. hm
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[20:19] <ThorinOfOak> bub_: yeah :-/ I'm not sure whats going on
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[20:22] <bub_> when you reboot your pi, you're not on any network right?
[20:22] <The_Xman> so, any clues if my RPI 3 can be fixed?
[20:22] <bub_> ThorinOfOak: do you find your ssid when scanning?
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[20:24] <redrabbit> ThorinOfOak: show you wpa supplicant
[20:25] <ThorinOfOak> bub_: no, no connections, and yes, I find it when scanning
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[20:26] <redrabbit> https://designdesk.org/linux/headless-setup-rpi-raspberry-pi
[20:27] <redrabbit> you only need ssid="" and psk=""
[20:27] <redrabbit> for wpa
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[20:27] <ThorinOfOak> redrabbit: yeah, thats all I had actually
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[20:29] <redrabbit> what does it says
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[20:29] <redrabbit> whats your config like in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:31] <swift110> hey all
[20:32] <ThorinOfOak> well, I just started doing this, https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK, that bub_ pointed me to, but prior to that --> auto lo \n iface lo inet loopback \n iface eth0 inet manual \n allow-hotplug wlan0 \n iface wlan0 inet manual \n wpa-conf /etc/wpa_spplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf \n allow-hotplug wlan1 \n iface wlan1 inet manual \n wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
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[20:34] <redrabbit> use dpaste or something next time
[20:34] <redrabbit> "(
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[20:35] <ThorinOfOak> redrabbit: I'm not ssh'ed in, I'm typing from another computer, sorry
[20:35] <redrabbit> auto wlan0
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[20:35] <redrabbit> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[20:35] <redrabbit> put that
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[20:39] <ThorinOfOak> Ok, did that. Still to no avail
[20:39] <redrabbit> you restarted it
[20:39] <redrabbit> right
[20:40] <ThorinOfOak> ifdown ifup, good enough, or hard reboot?
[20:40] <ThorinOfOak> Because the DHCPDISCOVER process is not getting anything back, just polling
[20:41] <redrabbit> what does iwconfig says
[20:41] <ThorinOfOak> Same thing as before
[20:41] <redrabbit> which is
[20:42] <ThorinOfOak> "[14:09] <ThorinOfOak> Well, no copy paste since I can't connect to the internet on the pi. But basically wlan0: IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID: off/any, Mode: Managed, Acess Poing: Not-Associated Tx-Power=31 dBm, Retry short limit: 7 RTS thr: off Fragment thr: off, Power Mangement: on -> lo no wireless extensions."
[20:42] <redrabbit> reboot that thing
[20:42] <redrabbit> cant hurt
[20:43] <ThorinOfOak> ok, one moment. Thanks for walking through this with me
[20:43] <redrabbit> id run wpa_cli manually
[20:43] <redrabbit> for further troubleshooting
[20:43] <redrabbit> if its not showing in iwconfig its not gonna work for sure
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[20:44] <ThorinOfOak> what should be showing?
[20:44] <redrabbit> your network ssid
[20:45] <ThorinOfOak> Will any show that are available? Or just connected ones? (Network noob, sorry :-/ )
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[20:45] <redrabbit> connected
[20:46] <ThorinOfOak> ok, and by running wpa_cli manually, what shoudl I do interactively?
[20:46] <ThorinOfOak> any tutorials?
[20:46] <redrabbit> https://designdesk.org/linux/headless-setup-rpi-raspberry-pi
[20:46] <ThorinOfOak> thanks
[20:46] <redrabbit> tbh following that should be enough
[20:47] <redrabbit> just look after Enable wireless connectivity
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[20:50] <ThorinOfOak> Well, at least I learned something today about where everything is located, and how wpa_cli can help you trouble shoot your issue. :(
[20:50] <ThorinOfOak> reason="WRONG_KEY".... Derp. Thank you redrabbit
[20:51] <redrabbit> lol
[20:51] <redrabbit> you're welcome
[20:51] <redrabbit> i knew it was something silly like a typo or something
[20:52] <redrabbit> happen to the best
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[20:53] <ThorinOfOak> wonder if the dhcp bit helped any
[20:53] <redrabbit> of course
[20:53] <redrabbit> auto and dhcp = stronger/ more reliable connection
[20:54] <redrabbit> well that has been the case for me
[20:54] <redrabbit> depends on the kind of wifi though
[20:54] <redrabbit> for the usb stuff i put allow-hotplug
[20:54] <redrabbit> and dhcp can slow down boot times too
[20:54] <ThorinOfOak> Ah, interesting. I did not know that. Does the Power manager: on cause issues with connectivity at all for the Zero? I only saw that issue on the pi 3?
[20:55] <redrabbit> but manual resulted in a connection that cuts and dosent get backup for me before
[20:55] <redrabbit> never had any issues with it pi3 or pi0w
[20:56] <ThorinOfOak> ah, cool, good deal then.
[20:56] <L0st> anyone ever use adafruits web ide?
[20:56] <ThorinOfOak> Thank you for your help today!
[20:56] <redrabbit> its cool
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[21:18] <fiskenslakt> the wifi seems really weak on the RPI 3, it's only usable if the RPI is inches from the router, is that common?
[21:18] <vavincavent> hi
[21:19] <vavincavent> i'm owner of a pi zero w
[21:19] <Habbie> fiskenslakt, did you try more than a few meters?
[21:19] <fiskenslakt> Habbie: yes, any farther than a couple inches and the latency is just too much
[21:20] <fiskenslakt> ssh will take minutes to respond
[21:20] <Habbie> fiskenslakt, no but i mean, did you try -more than a few meters-
[21:20] <fiskenslakt> Habbie: not sure what you mean
[21:20] <vavincavent> i want to connect with wifi in order to communicate with pi but without internet access (no need). how is the the best and quickly way?
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[21:20] <Habbie> fiskenslakt, i've seen setup where anywhere between '3 inches' and '2 meters' was troublesome and then beyond 2 meters it got better
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[21:20] <Habbie> vavincavent, do you have an access point it can connect to?
[21:21] <fiskenslakt> Habbie: you're saying that i should try putting it significantly father away?
[21:21] <Habbie> fiskenslakt, i am saying it is worth a shot, yes
[21:21] <fiskenslakt> well i'll try it
[21:21] <Habbie> fiskenslakt, and to be clear, in general people are reporting much better results with the pi3 in any case
[21:22] <vavincavent> Habbie, i want the pi is the access point
[21:22] <Habbie> vavincavent, ah
[21:22] <Habbie> vavincavent, do you have a screen and keyboard for it?
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[21:23] <vavincavent> for autonome timelapse began with smartphone
[21:23] <fiskenslakt> Habbie: well i just tried putting it farther than i have so far, and surprisingly it's doing pretty well
[21:23] <Habbie> fiskenslakt, yay
[21:23] <vavincavent> Habbie, first with screen and keyboard and after with smartphone
[21:23] <fiskenslakt> can't really understand why there would be some weird pocket in between really close and really far that would give horrible latency
[21:24] <Habbie> fiskenslakt, i don't know why, sorry
[21:24] <Habbie> vavincavent, connect screen and keyboard, configure hostapd
[21:24] <fiskenslakt> no problem, thanks for the advice
[21:24] <vavincavent> Habbie, do i need udhcpd too?
[21:25] <Habbie> vavincavent, a dhcpd makes life a lot easier yes
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[21:27] <vavincavent> Habbie, is this a good tuto : https://frillip.com/using-your-raspberry-pi-3-as-a-wifi-access-point-with-hostapd/
[21:27] <Habbie> let's see
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[21:27] <vavincavent> Habbie, dnsmasq or udhcpd?
[21:28] <Habbie> vavincavent, that howto looks fine, but you don't need ipv4 forwarding as i understand it
[21:28] <Habbie> vavincavent, i haven't used udhcpd; i know dnsmasq works fine
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[21:30] <vavincavent> Habnie, so i will see the tuto but i stop just before ipv4 forwarding and it will works? (i hope)
[21:30] <vavincavent> Habbie, sorry
[21:30] <Habbie> vavincavent, sure
[21:31] <vavincavent> ok thanks, so ... at work!
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[21:36] <Technomancer> omg, who would want an aluminium shift knob in their car?
[21:38] <Technomancer> in other news; Today I begin work on my in-car power supply for the pi
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[21:39] <Technomancer> going the crude route and bolting a big linear regulator to the frame.
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[21:45] <redrabbit> http://elinux.org/RPI-Wireless-Hotspot
[21:45] <redrabbit> this how to is better imo
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[21:46] <redrabbit> worked on the first try for me, the other one didnt
[21:46] <vavincavent> redrabbit, udhcpd instead of dnsmasq?
[21:47] <redrabbit> well i wouldnt use anything else
[21:47] <redrabbit> but that's me
[21:47] <redrabbit> its very easy to setup
[21:47] <redrabbit> and you can reserve ips from mac addresses very easily/
[21:48] <redrabbit> it does what its supposed to do without troubling me, good
[21:48] <redrabbit> i use it for my home network as well
[21:49] <vavincavent> redrabbit, i have to do the tuto point 1, 2 and 3 only?
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[21:49] <redrabbit> why not 4/5?
[21:49] <redrabbit> do the whole thing
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[21:50] <vavincavent> it's ok with zero w? exactly the same?
[21:51] <Habbie> vavincavent, yes
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[21:52] <vavincavent> redrabbit, i don't need internet access, just communication between smatphone and raspberry
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[21:54] <redrabbit> youd be better off not skipping steps you dont know exactly the purpose of
[21:54] <redrabbit> modify the thing when its actually working
[21:54] <redrabbit> not the other way around
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[21:55] <redrabbit> the few extra stuff wont hurt
[21:56] <redrabbit> but you can probably skip step 4 and be fine for what you need
[21:56] <redrabbit> dont forget step 5 though ^^
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[21:56] <vavincavent> i've tested this morning the tuto with udchpd and i had problem. not working...
[21:56] <redrabbit> http://elinux.org/RPI-Wireless-Hotspot < this one ?
[21:57] <redrabbit> this one absolutely work if you start from a fresh config and follow it properly
[21:57] <redrabbit> i have my AP working from a pi3 right now
[21:57] <vavincavent> redrabbit, i will try another time
[21:58] <vavincavent> redrabbit, but with pi zero w
[21:58] <redrabbit> its the same as the pi3
[21:59] <vavincavent> redrabbit, the difference is just antenna
[21:59] <redrabbit> the new antenna is pretty good
[21:59] <redrabbit> i really like what they did
[21:59] <redrabbit> its a sellin point for me to get more
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[22:02] <vavincavent> redrabbit, ok, fresh install, update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, rpi-upgrade, install hostapd and udhcps...
[22:03] <vavincavent> redrabbit, udhcpd sorry!
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[22:04] <vavincavent> redrabbit, and... my wife is in front of the screen, television... so an other time to test!
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[22:36] <NineChickens> so I have a question
[22:37] <NineChickens> I was going to use TCP to communicate between a Pi 3B and a Zero W
[22:37] <redrabbit> oh id like to do that via bluetooth
[22:37] <redrabbit> with a pan
[22:37] <redrabbit> what's your plan
[22:37] <NineChickens> As for what I want to make?
[22:37] <redrabbit> yea
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[22:38] <NineChickens> Wireless voice-activated door lock, just because
[22:38] <NineChickens> I was planning to host Mycroft on the 3B and when I told it to open the door have it ping the Zero W
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[22:39] <Ofg> anyone tried to install ddclient on rasppi? where is it located after installation by default? I can not find it
[22:39] <redrabbit> so TCP via wifi ?
[22:39] <NineChickens> yeah
[22:39] <redrabbit> ok
[22:39] <NineChickens> I get that I'd need a server-I'd use my preexisting 1B for that.
[22:39] <NineChickens> but how do I ping between them
[22:39] <NineChickens> Do I send the message to the server?
[22:39] <redrabbit> i don't know its unclear
[22:39] <NineChickens> ok
[22:40] <Habbie> Ofg, dpkg -L ddclient
[22:40] <Ofg> Habbie, thank you
[22:42] <NineChickens> the hard part will be the fifty bazillion chargers
[22:42] <NineChickens> One for the 3B
[22:42] <NineChickens> my kindle charger for the 1B
[22:42] <NineChickens> My Dash Charger for the wifi network
[22:42] <NineChickens> Batteries for the Zero W
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[22:43] <redrabbit> challenge accepted
[22:43] <NineChickens> lol
[22:43] <NineChickens> The thing is, that's going to be all the free power sockets
[22:44] <NineChickens> oh, and the one for the laptop
[22:44] <redrabbit> http://www.derotronic.net/blocmultiprisesavecinter6x2pterreblanc15metre-pi-338.html?image=0
[22:44] <redrabbit> rofl
[22:45] * redrabbit never has enough sockets
[22:45] <NineChickens> The thing is, I want to see if I can get it built after my exams
[22:45] <NineChickens> in school
[22:45] <NineChickens> so I have to avoid IT
[22:45] <NineChickens> They would panic over:
[22:46] <NineChickens> Ubuntu
[22:46] <NineChickens> Plugging new things in
[22:46] <NineChickens> The unauthorised wifi network
[22:46] <redrabbit> screw school
[22:46] <NineChickens> three Pis
[22:46] <NineChickens> school IT...
[22:46] <NineChickens> They're not actually that bad.
[22:47] <redrabbit> this rigid structures never worked for me
[22:48] <NineChickens> as in dealing with IT?
[22:48] <redrabbit> overall
[22:49] <NineChickens> My easy solution is not to tell them
[22:49] <NineChickens> That will work until hardware breaks
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[22:50] <redrabbit> why would it break
[22:50] <NineChickens> There was a mouse that stopped working
[22:50] <NineChickens> IT had to fix it
[22:50] <NineChickens> It's rare, but it happens
[22:51] <redrabbit> fixin mouses
[22:51] <redrabbit> lols
[22:51] <NineChickens> I yank the battery
[22:51] <NineChickens> and put it back in
[22:52] <Azelphur> Is there any way to get ffserver on raspbian without compiling it? would take forever >.>
[22:54] <NineChickens> don't think so
[22:55] <Habbie> maybe somebody already compiled it?
[22:55] <NineChickens> Speaking of compiling though, imagine etching Raspbian to an SD card using a ten year old laptop
[22:56] <NineChickens> On the plus side, 3 batteries
[22:56] <NineChickens> on the downside, no charger
[22:56] <Azelphur> lol
[22:57] <NineChickens> I last touched it 3 years ago
[22:57] <NineChickens> Yeah, none of the batteries have charge
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[22:57] <NineChickens> It's an x60s though, so insane battery life
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