#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-03-13

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[1:03] <anthesterion> hello
[1:03] <ball> hello anthesterion
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[1:07] <anthesterion> i am in my nightshift and want to watch a classic movie. i have chosen three candidates: sneakers, the net and enemy of the state.
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[1:08] <anthesterion> but which one should i watch first?
[1:08] <ball> anthesterion: Ghost Train
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[1:08] <ball> anthesterion: The Ghost Train*
[1:08] <ball> It has Arthur Askey in it!
[1:09] <anthesterion> hmmm
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[1:09] <anthesterion> i think i'll give it a chance.
[1:09] <anthesterion> thank you :)
[1:09] <ball> You're welcome.
[1:10] <ball> anthesterion: ...if you're looking for something computer-related, consider 'The Forbin Project', which might also be listed under 'Colossus'
[1:10] <anthesterion> noticed
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[1:14] <delinquentme> Sooo im looking to connect 30 rasberryPis to a single router ... ideally w wireless
[1:14] <delinquentme> anyone done something like this?
[1:15] <ball> delinquentme: That's going to be a noisy room, RF-wise.
[1:16] <ball> delinquentme: How talkative are they going to be?
[1:17] <ball> delinquentme: ...are they Raspberry Pi 3 boards?
[1:19] <delinquentme> ball, yeap Pi3s ... yeah thats kinda what I was thinking. Im doing temperature sensing @ like 1hz
[1:20] <delinquentme> ethernet cables seem like overkill.
[1:20] <delinquentme> but running a single wire to each machine feels a lil jank.
[1:20] <delinquentme> I suppose I could do some zigbee protocll stuff ... but wifi seems more straight forward.
[1:20] <ball> Raspberry Pi seems like overkill but then I don't know what local processing you had in mind.
[1:21] <delinquentme> this is true.
[1:21] <ball> I have read that the Raspberry Pi 3 has 802.11n and I'm guessing that's just on 2.4 GHz
[1:21] <delinquentme> is there some standard wired thing thats not quite as beef as ethernet?
[1:22] <ball> RS422? RS485?
[1:22] <ball> MIDI :-)
[1:22] <ball> Not sure MIDI supports 30 devices though.
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[1:24] <ball> Sounds like a reasonable application for RS-485, depending on the length of run you would need.
[1:25] <ball> (perhaps three runs of eleven nodes each (where one of the nodes is the controller))
[1:25] <ball> Oh wait, you could do two 16-node runs.
[1:25] <ball> ...save some driver circuitry.
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[1:46] <ball> ...or you know, you could try WiFi.
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[1:49] <redrabbit> what about the zero w
[1:49] <BurtyB> if you wired 3 Pi3 they could be wifi access point for 9 others (over 3 wifi channels) which prob wouldn't be too bad (tho bridged wifi ap is a big broke atm)
[1:50] <BurtyB> big=bit
[1:51] <redrabbit> why not use some 0w if you dont need cpu power
[1:51] <redrabbit> 3 pi3 like BurtyB is saying + pi0
[1:51] <redrabbit> as clients to the pi3 ap
[1:52] <redrabbit> and the pi3 that does AP is still a functional unit
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[2:04] <ball> BurtyB: Is that a Linux thing or a Pi thing?
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[2:11] <BurtyB> ball, if you mean bridged wifi (AP) then I don't really know - https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/673 is the problem, I've had mind up a work longer by extending DHCP lease time
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[2:16] <redrabbit> you dont have to use bridge
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[2:18] <ball> BurtyB: I meant the breakage ;-)
[2:19] <redrabbit> how does it fails
[2:20] <redrabbit> http://elinux.org/RPI-Wireless-Hotspot < this works perfectly for me, not bridged
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[2:29] <BurtyB> redrabbit, since the problem is with bridged wifi I imagine that would work ;)
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[2:32] <Valduare> i think im going to get a couple of these http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/YfeMByf be more useful than 16x2 lcds
[2:32] <redrabbit> yeah i think you can replicate something like a bridge from the non bridged setup
[2:33] <redrabbit> a bridge i something very limited
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[2:33] <redrabbit> moslty interesting because its easy to setup
[2:33] <Abbott> does ssh work out of the box? like is sshd running right after installation or do I have to connect a keyboard and monitor to it first to configure it?
[2:33] <redrabbit> no
[2:33] <Abbott> rpi3, specifically
[2:33] <redrabbit> put file named ssh in boot partition
[2:33] <ball> Abbott: For which OS?
[2:33] <redrabbit> https://designdesk.org/linux/headless-setup-rpi-raspberry-pi
[2:34] <Abbott> raspbian
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[2:34] <ball> Oh.
[2:34] <Abbott> I want to use alarm but there doesn't seem to be wifi or bluetooth support for rpi3
[2:35] <redrabbit> what's that
[2:36] <Abbott> arch linux arm
[2:36] <Abbott> so just a blank file in boot named ssh?
[2:38] <redrabbit> yeah
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[2:53] <maicod> Hi I boot my Pi from an SDcard and have the ext4 partition on a flash drive (I edited the commandline.txt in the boot partition and fstab in the ext4 partition on the flash drive) and that works flawlessly UNTIL I add another usb-drive to one of the USB sockets of the Pi, then it 'steals' /dev/sda and linux is doomed. How can I prevent /dev/sda from being stolen ?
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[4:15] * ball thinks about diodes.
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[4:37] <neiz> more of a linux question.. but I'm trying to 'sudo apt-get install ppp' but the mirror (mirror.umd.edu) is not responding and I'm unable to install the package. Is there a way to force use a different mirror? (BTW, I've 'sudo apt-get update' successfully)
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[7:28] <kihis> hi. any compact and reliable idea how to convert 12v to 5v for pi?
[7:31] <exo-squad> a step down regulator?
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[7:33] <kihis> exo-squad: is the heat problem? because this all is going inside a sealed and non-ventilated box
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[9:21] <ejay> Hi all. Is it possible to use external HDD (5200RPM) with Pi3 without extra power cable for HDD?
[9:23] <Lartza> ejay, Most likely no
[9:23] <Lartza> There's no set standard for that, 2.5" drives will use less power etc
[9:23] <Lartza> But for instance my 2.5" drive uses an USB3 super power connector to get enough power :P
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[9:24] <ejay> Lartza: ok, thanks.
[9:25] <Lartza> Even if it worked at first, it would be kind of bad to have it ever skip due to power loss
[9:25] <Lartza> I wouldn't risk it personally
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[12:08] <MasterPrenium> Hi guys, can someone tell me how many binary input can I get on an Rpi Zero in total ? (Not sure all GPIO can be used as input)
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[12:13] <BurtyB> MasterPrenium, 26 iirc
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[12:27] <gordonDrogon> MasterPrenium, 28 in total.
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> MasterPrenium, but you sacrifice all other functions for that - SPI, I2C, Serial... Also note that the 2 I2C pins are tied to 3.3v bia 1K8 resistors.
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[12:30] <MasterPrenium> thanks @gordonDrogon @BurtyB :)
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[13:25] <Hix> so yesterday I asked about dd with OS X taking forever. I was using raspbian jessie lite and it was iro 2500s. Discovered using of=/dev/rdisk2 is waaaaay quicker. bro 74s..
[13:25] <Hix> sudo dd bs=1m if=2017-03-02-raspbian-jessie-lite.img of=/dev/rdisk2
[13:25] <Hix> from: http://daoyuan.li/solution-dd-too-slow-on-mac-os-x/
[13:25] <Alystair> hi all, I'm trying to make a minimal install of rasbian to run chromium on x11 but I'm just getting errors
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[13:26] <Alystair> exactly like this person - https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=176129&p=1128521
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[13:29] <Alystair> not trying to do any fancy remote stuff
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[13:36] <Alystair> I'm a pretty novice to all this so yeah.... any advice would be great
[13:37] <Alystair> just want to make super minimal web kiosk
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[13:38] <Alystair> many tutorials are from 3+ years ago
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[13:38] <bedah> i've seen a nice work: starting webbrowser with xinit, only the webbrowser, and doing everything there. only if you don't need gpio and stuff
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[13:39] <bedah> so no big windowmanager
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[13:40] <bedah> Alystair, https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=40860 quite new tutorial
[13:45] <Alystair> hmm ty
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[13:59] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Darn he's not here :D
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[14:11] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Pim, who?
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[14:21] <Gadgetoid_Pim> gordonDrogon, ali :D
[14:21] <Gadgetoid_Pim> gordonDrogon, also, hi!
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[14:26] <sa0bgh> anyone who knows if zerow is supported by uboot?
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[15:16] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Pim, got some nice stuff in wiringPi for the Rainbot Hat now :)
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Pim, think I'll use it as the worlds most expensive kitchen timer ...
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[15:19] <b3h3m0th> I created a file /etc/systemd/system/hostapd.service so that hostapd runs as a service. But when I try systemctl status hostapd, it says no such file or directory. Please help https://paste.ubuntu.com/24170870/
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[15:20] <Gadgetoid_Pim> gordonDrogon, oooh nice!
[15:20] <Gadgetoid_Pim> gordonDrogon, I time things in my kitchen by setting the oven clock and then going two closed doors away where I can't hear it
[15:20] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Then rush back when I smell burning
[15:21] <redrabbit> you need a burnt smell sensor and alard
[15:21] <redrabbit> alarm
[15:21] <redrabbit> there's gas sensors maybe that would work
[15:21] <redrabbit> or particle sensors
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[15:28] <Lartza> Particle sensors are bad though, I'm sure you can get one of the ionising ones too??
[15:28] <Lartza> maybe...
[15:28] <Lartza> :D
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[15:35] <gordonDrogon> the gas sensor on the Pi Weather station is not a good one for kitchens - it also reacts to humidity )-:
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> it's now pastry time. laterz.
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[15:50] <MaekSo> can I expect any trouble when I plug the sd card from my Pi2 in to a Pi3?
[15:51] <ShorTie> is it up to date ??
[15:51] <MaekSo> I'm just hoping it keeps my cron jobs, scripts, network settings, and boots up just fine
[15:51] <MaekSo> yep, latest release
[15:51] <Habbie> should just work
[15:51] <ShorTie> should be ok
[15:51] <MaekSo> cool, that's what I thought, thanks
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[15:58] <DrJ> MaekSo, it should work, but I did once have an issue were it wouldn't boot
[15:58] <DrJ> I had to plug the sd card back in the pi2 and run: sudo rpi-update
[15:58] <DrJ> after that completed I plugged it back into the pi3 and it booted fine
[15:59] <DrJ> only had that issue once though
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[16:00] <MaekSo> hmm, so that appears to be a firmware updater, eh?
[16:00] <MaekSo> I was actually unaware of that script
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[16:00] <MaekSo> I just keep it updated as far as OS and packages, I've never run that before
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[16:03] <DrJ> yea
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[16:05] <MaekSo> just did a risky thing by running that and doing a reboot from work on my rpi at home
[16:05] <MaekSo> let's see if it boots up and finds the right IP again!
[16:06] <MaekSo> it did! woohoo
[16:07] <BurtyB> MaekSo, running rpi-update isn't advised these days "sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" should do it tho
[16:07] <MaekSo> yea, I'm already up to date on that front
[16:08] <MaekSo> and too late on the rpi-update thing :)
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[16:08] <DrJ> I'm not sure on it being advised or not... I just know that fixed the issue that one time
[16:08] <DrJ> it was a suggestion I found on google
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[16:15] <MaekSo> yea, I think that script was a bad idea lol
[16:15] <MaekSo> it's fine, though
[16:15] <MaekSo> somehow fucked my VPN settings
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[16:21] <MaekSo> oh well, guess I should have read the script before I read it
[16:21] <MaekSo> I bet there's no firmware update, even...they're just calling the OS firmware
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[16:21] <MaekSo> read before ran that is
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[16:25] <MaekSo> interesting that they'd have a script on a default install of the latest OS release that fucks things up that badly
[16:25] <MaekSo> I still don't know what the fuck it did
[16:26] <mfa298> MaekSo: read the rules - family friendly language
[16:26] <MaekSo> oh, oops
[16:27] <MaekSo> I literally can't even reboot now lol
[16:27] <MaekSo> Mar 13 08:26:37 pi systemd[1]: Dependency failed for Reboot.
[16:27] <MaekSo> -- Subject: Unit reboot.target has failed
[16:27] <MaekSo> -- Defined-By: systemd
[16:27] <MaekSo> -- Support: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
[16:27] <MaekSo> --
[16:27] <MaekSo> -- Unit reboot.target has failed.
[16:27] <MaekSo> --
[16:27] <MaekSo> -- The result is dependency.
[16:27] <MaekSo> Mar 13 08:26:37 pi systemd[1]: Unit systemd-reboot.service entered failed state.
[16:28] <mfa298> and rpi-update can leave you in an interesting state now as there's also a package (or two) that tries to manage the same stuff
[16:29] <MaekSo> welp, guess I'm re-installing anyway!
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[16:30] <mfa298> the usual advice is only use rpi-update if suggested by one of the rpi engineers to fix a specific problem or if you want to live on the bleeding (and possibly broken) edge
[16:30] <Lartza> I love how raspbian is kind of a mess...
[16:30] <MaekSo> well now I know
[16:30] <Lartza> Since it's adding mess on top of the debian mess that already exists before raspbian
[16:30] <Lartza> :D
[16:30] <MaekSo> pretty much all my services are broken now
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[16:30] <MaekSo> I'm really curious about what exactly broke though
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[16:31] <mfa298> you might be able to restore the original kernel with: sudo apt-get install --reinstall raspberrypi-bootloader raspberrypi-kernel
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[16:31] <mfa298> that's from memory so I might be slighlty out on the option names
[16:32] <MaekSo> trying that, thanks
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[16:32] <MaekSo> I rather like Debian, but raspbian is indeed a mess
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[16:33] <MaekSo> I'm not expecting it to be perfect, though
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[16:34] <Lartza> Debian is the base mess
[16:34] <redrabbit> tbh neither is a mess
[16:34] <Lartza> I'm talking about changing config paths etc
[16:34] <Lartza> Just... why??
[16:34] <redrabbit> you make it a mess
[16:34] <redrabbit> :D
[16:34] <Lartza> Uhh
[16:34] <Lartza> redrabbit, Do you know where the raspbian lighdm greeter config is stored? :)
[16:34] <redrabbit> i dont use gui
[16:35] <Lartza> Still
[16:35] <Lartza> Should be in /etc/lightdm/ but noooo
[16:35] <Lartza> There's a file but it's not used for anything
[16:36] <redrabbit> im sure youll figure something out
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[16:36] <Lartza> I know vaguely where it is, it was just an example of the mess
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[16:36] <Lartza> The real config is somewhere, that is then symlinked to some other place (by pkg-config) and then that symlink is pointed to from the lightdm service file iirc...
[16:36] <redrabbit> id call that vague differences
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[16:37] <Lartza> Or the service file has a config it uses that points to the symlink
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[16:37] <redrabbit> i like vanillia debian better myself
[16:37] <redrabbit> but its not like rapbian is a pain or something
[16:38] <MaekSo> same, any VM's or computers I run are Debian or Ubuntu, depending on what I'm doing
[16:38] <redrabbit> debian for simple stuff and old laptops with lxde
[16:38] <MaekSo> except for desktop OS....still Mac on that because I hate Linux window managers
[16:38] <redrabbit> ubuntu for desktop
[16:39] <redrabbit> debian on all servers
[16:39] <redrabbit> armbian and raspbian on arm
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[16:39] <Lartza> Arch <3
[16:39] <redrabbit> i still use win10 on my workstation but i have two pcs there
[16:39] <Lartza> Though I use Windows 10 on my main desktop :/
[16:39] <redrabbit> :D
[16:39] <Lartza> games -.
[16:40] <Lartza> *-.-
[16:40] <redrabbit> fan control is the main deal breaker for transitionning my old tower to ubunty
[16:40] <redrabbit> ill iron it out.. i hope
[16:40] <plum> anyone have experience with psad?
[16:42] <MaekSo> I've never done Arch, but I get why people would like it. Seems like the new generation Gentoo
[16:42] <MaekSo> Arch may be my next project
[16:43] <plum> arch is one of my current projects
[16:43] <MaekSo> hey, so after reinstalling those packages I can at least reboot lol
[16:43] <plum> i want to put it on an old laptop
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[16:45] <plum> my issue is this laptop has a broadcom b43xx wifi card
[16:46] <plum> so there's some more configuration i need to do to get it working unfortunately
[16:46] <plum> that's the arch way though
[16:47] <plum> just sucks that it needs to be connected to even install arch
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[16:50] <MaekSo> welp, I'm pi-less today, lesson learned!
[16:50] <petn-randall> Is it somehow possible to attach *two* camera modules to a RPi3?
[16:52] <wonderer> hi all,
[16:52] <wonderer> will this "sudo apt-get install plexmediaserver-installer" update pelx to latets version?
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[16:54] <petn-randall> wonderer: That will likely just install or update the installer.
[16:55] <wonderer> ok thx
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[17:04] <BurtyB> petn-randall, no, you can with the CM/CM3 tho
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[17:35] <cambazz> hello, how can i power my pi zero from the hat? do i need to provide both 5V and 3.3V?
[17:36] <cambazz> i will be powering this pi externally, and when and if usb is plugged in, what will happen?
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[17:48] <shiftplusone> 5v only and keep in mind you're bypassing input protection.
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[17:56] <svideo> i have some questions about the rpi power requirements. i've got a pi3 w/ the official touchscreen and a usb webcam plugged in, so the power requirements will probably be more than your typical headless unit
[17:56] <svideo> i've plugged the pi into this charger: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HI0E8BQ
[17:57] <svideo> there is nothing else plugged in, and i'm using a USB power meter to monitor. readings are just over 5v, current draw is roughly 750ma at idle
[17:57] <svideo> yet i'm getting the lightning icon
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[17:58] <svideo> is there a set voltage level the rpi is expecting? why would i be getting an insufficient power notification when i'm over 5V (usb spec) and i am using less than 1amp from a 12amp supply?
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[17:59] <shiftplusone> where are you measuring the 5v?
[18:00] <shiftplusone> and yes, it's expecting voltage to be maintained above a certain level. I don't remember the exact value off the top of my head, but it's about 4.65
[18:00] <plum> does anyone know how to remove an iptables command?
[18:00] <svideo> shiftplusone right before the pi, with a 6 inch cable coming out of it into the pi
[18:00] <plum> i ran this to get psad to stop emailing me alerts for multicast packets: sudo iptables -I INPUT 1 -i eth0 -p udp --dport 67 -s 0.0.0.0 -j DROP
[18:01] <plum> i'd like to disable this though because it didn't work
[18:01] <plum> or wait. maybe it will work and i just need to reboot?
[18:01] <plum> just realized i didn't try that yet
[18:01] <leftyfb> plum: rebooting will wipe any running iptables rules
[18:01] <plum> oooh gotcha
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[18:02] <shiftplusone> svideo: if you're seeing over 5v over the load at full load, then it might be that the power is 'dirty'. The multimeter would not show that, but a scope would.
[18:02] <leftyfb> plum: you can wipe all iptables rules by running: sudo iptables -F
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[18:02] <plum> so if it was working already, it would be there without rebooting, no?
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[18:03] <shiftplusone> the under-voltage warning is reliable, since it comes straight from a voltage monitor chip. There are ways to accidentally trigger it, but you'd need to be doing things you shouldn't be doing with i2c_vc, for example.
[18:04] <plum> hmmmm i don't want to remove -all- iptables rules though...
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[18:05] <leftyfb> plum: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-list-and-delete-iptables-firewall-rules
[18:06] <plum> thank you, i'll check that out. i'd tried a different instruction link that recommended using -D to remove it, but that gave me errors
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[18:07] <shiftplusone> The charger does seem a little dodgy. 12A for 8 ports, up to 2.4A per port? That doesn't maths. I guess they mean up to 2.4A per port, if you don't use them all at the same time, but that omission is enough to make me question how stable the voltage is over that range.
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[18:09] <svideo> shiftplusone it's cumulative total across the ports
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[18:09] <svideo> as you'd expect, current draw is determined by the instantaneous load, and if it goes over you'll see voltage sags
[18:10] <svideo> i do have a scope here, but i'd need to break out the usb connection in order to get my probes on it
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[18:10] <shiftplusone> I'd just trust the undervoltage warning.
[18:10] <svideo> i also have an agilent meter here, which i'd trust even further
[18:10] <svideo> but like you said, transients are hard to catch
[18:11] <svideo> oh hey wait
[18:11] <svideo> lightning bolt just disappeared
[18:11] <svideo> shiftplusone you fixed it!
[18:11] <svideo> :D
[18:11] <shiftplusone> yes, it only shows up for a little bit each time the voltage drops below the threshold
[18:12] <shiftplusone> You'll typically see it during boot up, when the load is higher, and then have it disappear, but ideally you wouldn't see it at all.
[18:12] <svideo> i've been chasing down problems w/ the USB camera, and it was suggested that power draw is a common issue there
[18:13] <plum> does anyone have any thoughts on if it would make sense to change ServerKeyBits to 16384 instead of 1024/2048/4096 for futureproofing?
[18:13] <plum> in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[18:13] <svideo> no
[18:13] <svideo> unless quantum computers actually work at some point, in which case you're screwed anyway
[18:14] <svideo> https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/115295/ssh-key-strength
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[18:15] <plum> ooooh interesting
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[18:15] <Phischi> hi
[18:15] <plum> hi Phischi
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[18:16] <Phischi> :)
[18:16] <plum> hahahaha i love the comment on that thread svideo
[18:16] <plum> regarding bigger keys and picking up girls
[18:16] <plum> lol
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[18:17] <Phischi> anyone around who wants to help me setting up a Pi3 to use the builtin Wifi and a USB-wifidongle?
[18:17] <Phischi> the point is: I need 2 APs....
[18:17] <svideo> apple decided on a 4096 key for their homekit implementation
[18:17] <svideo> the result of which was early devices requiring 7 minutes to establish an initial connection
[18:18] <teclo-> svideo: generation of the key ?
[18:18] <svideo> schlage had a door lock prototype and decided that 7 minutes was a bit toooooo long
[18:18] <svideo> teclo- yes, for each session, on an ultra-low-power device (bt4le)
[18:18] <Phischi> svideo: let's lower security because it is more convinient?
[18:18] <teclo-> at each session ? Ouch....
[18:18] <svideo> read the link above
[18:19] <svideo> 2048 is enough so long as computers are made of atoms and obey currently-understood laws of physics
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[18:19] <svideo> at least vs brute force attacks that is
[18:19] <teclo-> for instance when installing Debian on a Pentium II or III generating the DSA/RSA keys could take a few minutes....
[18:19] <teclo-> but 7 minutes each session, now that's too long
[18:20] <svideo> one very encouraging note in the original NSA releases and the new CIA releases is that, near as anyone knows, well implemented modern crypto with reasonable key lengths works
[18:20] <svideo> every attack they use either relies on implementation attacks or endpoint attacks
[18:20] <Phischi> svideo: indeed.
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[18:21] <Phischi> I bet that's why they took down Truecrypt
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[18:21] <Phischi> btw. anything to switch to beside using the last version?
[18:23] <plum> i heard veracrypt was the successor
[18:23] <Lartza> That and another fork yeah
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[18:24] <svideo> i think the original devs said just use bitlocker
[18:24] <svideo> :D
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[18:24] <svideo> you can trust MS not to give the feds all your keys, right?
[18:24] <Lartza> Bitlocker keys are stored on your device though not ms servers?
[18:25] <Lartza> The problem with bitlocker is it can't be audited though
[18:25] <Lartza> But it should be fine
[18:26] <svideo> the crack about keys is not knowing if MS has some escrow system setup. i'm just being a bit of a jerk here, it's the problem we have w/ closed source crypto implementations
[18:26] <svideo> bitlocker does offer key escrow and it's necessary when deploying in an enterprise environment
[18:27] <Lartza> Mhh well bitlocker probably has been audited by some corps that use it
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[18:27] <svideo> and it's a bit of a pain, but in my customer's experience it does what it says on the label
[18:27] <Lartza> And I doubt if it showed MS had escrow they would use it
[18:28] <svideo> i'm personally pretty tightly tied to MS for professional reasons and they have shown themselves to be reasonably transparent on a lot of things but... they have also demonstrated that they will roll over immediately when handed an NSL
[18:28] <svideo> unlike apple and google MS has a huge footprint in federal datacenters and they have business they need to protect, so they aren't going to fight NSLs in the way Google claims to have done
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[18:30] <redrabbit> use luks
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[18:32] <plum> hmmmmm ServerKeyBits 1024/2048/whatever in /etc/ssh/sshd_config seems only pertinent to ssh protocol 1
[18:32] <plum> is there a way to change the generated bit value for protocol 2? running dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server creates a default of 2048 bits for the SSH2 RSA key
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[18:34] <Phischi> can somebody tell me how to start dhcpd with 2 config-files for 2 APs?
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[18:35] <svideo> ugh FFS
[18:35] <Habbie> Phischi, just put two blocks in the same config i think
[18:35] <svideo> so i had the touchscreen and rpi power on a splitter which came w/ the official touchscreen
[18:35] <svideo> figured maybe that was the problem, so i have run each directly into the power supply
[18:35] <svideo> no the pi is getting 5.2V, and still is popping up that damn lightning bolt
[18:36] <Phischi> erm, I write crap, I mean hostapd Habbie
[18:36] <Habbie> Phischi, oh, not sure
[18:36] <Habbie> please mind the language a bit if you can
[18:37] <hmoney-> wait.. crap is now a bad word?
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[18:37] <Phischi> :P
[18:37] <svideo> MY PRECIOUS EARS
[18:37] <hmoney> #craplivesmatter
[18:37] <Phischi> haha
[18:38] <Phischi> no idea how I can put 2 blocks in there: http://pastebin.com/3UE5pyck
[18:38] <Phischi> /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf that is
[18:38] <hmoney> where do we draw the line then habbie? manure, feces, excrement? WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE
[18:39] <plum> i mean we all enjoy this channel, the last thing we'd want is it to be taken away or receive ill favor because of language stuff
[18:40] <svideo> taken away by the IRC police?
[18:40] <Habbie> hmoney, it's a slippery slope from one word to the other - that's why i said 'a bit'
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[18:40] <plum> this is the "blessed" channel according to the topic
[18:40] <hmoney> i agree with steering clear of cuss words, but at some point it becomes pointless semantics
[18:40] <plum> we want to keep it that way, no?
[18:41] <hmoney> the no curse words is good for children in the channel, but i would say 'crap' in front of a child and not think twice about it..
[18:41] * hmoney end rant
[18:41] <Habbie> i absolutely love how this turns into a 'discussion' every time
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[18:41] <plum> agreed, but i'm cool with toning my language down a bit just so that there's less chance for bad to fall on the channel
[18:43] <plum> it's always trolled a bit too when people ask language to be toned down :/
[18:43] <plum> person a: "please don't say that word"
[18:43] <plum> person b: *says that word*
[18:43] <hmoney> person c: word.
[18:44] <svideo> 💩
[18:44] <hmoney> yeah im cool with the rules posted, which crap doesn't go against :)
[18:44] <hmoney> so back to pi stuffs: anyone running a docker swarm?
[18:44] <svideo> i am, but not on pi
[18:44] <svideo> need to start working on kubernetes though
[18:45] <svideo> or whatever it is kids this week are using
[18:45] <hmoney> im waiting for burtyb's pi cluster hat to come in, not sure quite how to go about the docker learning process
[18:45] <hmoney> so far i've been browsing their website/subreddit/irc
[18:45] <svideo> run it on your local PC?
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[18:45] <svideo> windows does docker now (kinda), and you can install it on p much any linux distro
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[18:45] <hmoney> ? no to run it on a pi3 and 4 pi zeros with www.clusterhat.com
[18:45] <svideo> i'm running swam on esxi
[18:46] <svideo> i mean just to get started learning
[18:46] <hmoney> ah
[18:46] <svideo> the platform kind of doesn't amtter, the commands all work the same
[18:46] <hmoney> yeah
[18:46] <svideo> windows is a special snowflake because windows
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[18:46] <hmoney> i dont have the space to spin up that many vm's
[18:46] <hmoney> or the ram on my windows pc -.-
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[18:48] <Abbott> is there a way to mount the rpi partition of the microsd using cygwin?
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[18:51] <redrabbit> the BCM43438 contains an FM radio module :o
[18:51] <redrabbit> im wondering if theres a way to use it on the pi3/0W
[18:52] <Phischi> if you can connect an antenna
[18:52] <svideo> the advantage to ruynning docker on linux x86 is the huge library of existing containers on docker hub
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[18:52] <svideo> if you want to get started w/ docker, it makes a lot of sense to give it a shot first on linux/x86 as you have a large number of handy, existing iamges to work from
[18:52] <hmoney> most existing containers arent built for armhf to run on the pi tho
[18:53] <svideo> last i checked there are like 3 arm/pi compatible images on hub
[18:53] <svideo> hmoney exactly
[18:53] <hmoney> ye not a lot
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[18:56] <svideo> ok with the power split out instead of using the touchscreen's provided splitter things are working well
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[18:56] <svideo> look ma, no lightning bolt! http://i.imgur.com/bSi642i.jpg
[18:59] <svideo> ugh goddamnit
[18:59] <svideo> spoke too soon
[18:59] <svideo> as soon as i start hitting storage it blinks back on
[18:59] <svideo> but with voltage never dipping below 5v
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[19:00] <svideo> at least it goes away now, but still... WTF
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> svideo, can we keep it a btt more family friendly please?
[19:01] <svideo> ok, what the heck
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> even acronyms ...
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[19:01] <svideo> or is heck too close to AYCH EEE DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS
[19:02] <Phischi> floppy donkey....ears?+
[19:02] <svideo> lol
[19:02] <Phischi> really, this goes down the ridiculesroad slowly.
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[19:03] <Phischi> ah well, be happy in your PG13-zone, I'm out :P
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[19:03] <svideo> ahahaha
[19:03] <svideo> one parting shot across the bow
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[19:05] <petn-randall> BurtyB: Any details on what CM is? It's too short to google :)
[19:05] <shiftplusone> Try Raspberry Pi Compute Module
[19:05] <plum> i love the Sense HAT / AstroPi :)
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> CM -> compute module .. usually in this context...
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[19:08] <petn-randall> Ah, thanks for the info.
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[19:09] <shiftplusone> plum: what are you doing with it?
[19:10] <plum> shiftplusone: it's fairly underutilized but i used it for some party lights for my birthday haha
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[19:10] <plum> made it have a scrolling message and flash letters with random colors etc
[19:10] <shiftplusone> lol, alright
[19:10] <plum> this unit has a broken thermometer so i'm returning it for another though
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[19:11] <svideo> shiftplusone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHTiFRObCJs
[19:11] <plum> was giving readings that could likely be the temperature on Mars or something
[19:11] <svideo> voltage at 5.3v, unit still showing the stupid lightning icon
[19:11] <svideo> this is maddening
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[19:11] <shiftplusone> Yeah, there was a batch with faulty sensors, but there is now a check during manufacturing to make sure that all reported values are within a plausible range.
[19:12] <plum> yesssss
[19:12] <plum> looking forward to getting some good readings
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[19:12] <shiftplusone> svideo: I don't trust those usb power meters are all.
[19:12] <svideo> in previous testing the voltage part aligns with my agilent meter
[19:12] <plum> i don't know what else exactly i'll do with it, but i'm considering getting some higher quality magnetometers to set up a tri-sensor setup and record fluctuations and stuff etc
[19:13] <svideo> haven't tested the current reading against a shunt resistor yet
[19:13] <svideo> but i'm reasonably confident that the voltage reading is accurate
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[19:13] <plum> all i want is to crunch data, put it onto pretty graphs, and try making correlations with my limited knowledge
[19:13] <svideo> and if a 12amp supply running at 5.2V isn't enough to handle transients, what on earth am i supposed to use? i have a 50vdc/5amp supply here....
[19:14] <shiftplusone> svideo: the circuitry for that warning is simple. It's a dedicated voltage monitor chip directly on the power rail, after the input protection. Have you measured the voltage across the 5v-GND GPIO pins?
[19:14] <svideo> nope but that's a good idear
[19:14] <svideo> thanks man, i'll check it out
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[19:15] <mfa298> svideo: even if the psu is good, if you've got thin wires there might be enough drop over the cable between psu and pi
[19:15] <svideo> there is less than 12 inches of cable between the supply and the pi input
[19:16] <svideo> and that's just so i could get the power meter in there. running it w/ the 6 inch cable directly yields the same result
[19:16] <shiftplusone> svideo: I've seen a simple inline switch make the difference because although short, the wires only had a few thin strands,
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[19:17] <svideo> i mean, i get that, but i'm not likely to get a usb cable any shorter than 6 inches. even if it was something ridic like 30awg, the voltage drop across that short of a run shouldn't be causing the issue
[19:17] <svideo> but i like your GPIO idea, i can hook that to the scope and trigger on falling edge at 5.0V to see if i'm getting drops
[19:18] <shiftplusone> a DMM might be quicker as a first step.
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[19:18] <svideo> except i already ran the DMM :(
[19:18] <shiftplusone> On GPIO?
[19:18] <svideo> oh no, but in that case it's just as easy to do one as the other
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[19:19] <svideo> plus any excuse to break out the scope is a good one :P
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[19:20] <shiftplusone> <insert usual precautions about being careful where you hook the ground lead if your pi is in any way earthed (through a PC, for example)>
[19:20] <svideo> for reference, this is the usb cable i'm working with: https://i.imgur.com/lgvrCNf.jpg
[19:20] <svideo> it ain't long
[19:20] <svideo> also understood regarding scoping grounded things
[19:21] <svideo> need to get some differential probes but $$$$
[19:21] <shiftplusone> I think we had a case where a monitor would make the pi earth reference grounded which caused some damage.
[19:21] <mfa298> some usb cables really are incredibly bad.
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[19:21] <svideo> all the same, this was experienced on other cables as well, this same cable is able to charge my phone at quickcharge rates with no problems
[19:21] <shiftplusone> I have some cables which look quite nice and thick and were a little expensive, but it's mostly rubber and braiding. The resistance across them is still high.
[19:22] <svideo> but probing at the breakout pins should put any question there to rest
[19:23] * shiftplusone wonders what his USB power meter will report
[19:24] <svideo> i've found this thing to be reasonably accurate, within expectations for a $5 thing from china anyway
[19:24] <svideo> as you know monitoring power draw is tricky business
[19:24] <svideo> but for a quick voltage monitor, worth the (very little) money
[19:24] <shiftplusone> it's reporting 5.3v, but I don't get a lightning bolt, although I was expecting one.
[19:25] <shiftplusone> I'll hook up some extra peripherals
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[19:26] <shiftplusone> Yup.... got it to show up while the power meter is showing 5.25v while I know for a fact it's below that.
[19:27] <shiftplusone> throwing in a hard drive in the mix to get a constant under-voltage warning and it's showing 5.25 still.
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[19:29] <shiftplusone> so yeah, this meter thing is garbage, I expect that it's responsible for a big chunk of the voltage drop itself
[19:30] <shiftplusone> yup removing the power meter removes the under-voltage warning entirely, although everything else is still plugged in.
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[19:31] <shiftplusone> and if I put two of them in series.... >.>
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[19:34] <shiftplusone> It looks like one of them eats .25v and the other one about 0.35v
[19:34] <shiftplusone> at least that's the difference they report between each other if I alternate their location
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[19:37] <mfa298> that's quite a disapointing level of voltage drop for what should be s short bit of wire between socket and plug
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[19:37] <mfa298> although if it's also trying to do current it probably needs enough resistance to be able to measure a voltage over
[19:38] <shiftplusone> and also power itself and drive its display
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[19:39] <mfa298> pulling a bit of power to run itself shouldn't cause a voltage drop over the device
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[19:41] <shiftplusone> wouldn't there be components which must be in series?
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[19:42] <mfa298> for voltage measurement the probe should be high impedance in paralell to whats being measured
[19:42] <mfa298> and powering the device would take power in parallel to the device being fed through to
[19:43] <mfa298> current measurements usually have a wire of known resistance which you measure a voltage across - so if your meter is doing current as well then that would be where the drop might come from
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[19:46] <shiftplusone> right, I get the measurements, but I wouldn't expect the display to be responsible for a big chunk of the drop.
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[19:48] <svideo> i'd suspect mfa298 is correct here without tearing into the device
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[19:48] <svideo> typical current sense approach is to use a shunt resister, measuring voltage drop across it
[19:48] <mfa298> I think we're saying the same thing. The only reason for the meter to have a voltage drop would be the shunt for measuring current. but 0.35v over that seems quite high
[19:49] <svideo> yeah, for current sense the shunt resistor is usually some very small value
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[19:49] <mfa298> you could probably put an ohm meter over the in and out connectors for gnd and +5v
[19:49] <svideo> certinaly shouldn't be enough to cause a 5-10% voltage drop
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[19:49] <svideo> but... china
[19:49] <svideo> so who knows
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[19:51] <shiftplusone> any luck with the GPIO measurements?
[19:52] <svideo> probably won't for a while yet, jumping on to the next part of this project (getting uv4l deployed)
[19:52] <svideo> once i move it off my desk back onto the bench i'll wire it up and report back.
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[19:53] <leftyfb> https://twitter.com/Zipcar/status/841303459219570689
[19:54] <leftyfb> how is it this company was able to get 314 pi zero w's if everyone is only allowed to purchase 1 at a time?
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[19:56] <mfa298> presumably by talking to the foundation and because they're giving them away.
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[19:56] <mfa298> much in the same way they get given away for magpi subscriptions
[19:56] <shiftplusone> On a pi3, U4 is the voltage monitor chip. pin 3 (the one that is single on one side) is the Vcc pin
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[19:57] <svideo> ung god bless it all
[19:58] <svideo> maybe it's my camera? same result here after a full wipe and rebuild
[19:58] <svideo> the camera works exactly once
[19:58] <svideo> then starts spitting out a bunch of noise to the stream, then nothing
[19:58] <svideo> power down, power up, nothing
[19:58] <svideo> this is making me nuts
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[19:58] <shiftplusone> svideo: why the USB webcam instead of the CSI camera?
[19:59] <svideo> well the hope was to run more than one camera
[19:59] <svideo> maybe a CM would be what i need
[19:59] <shiftplusone> have you tried throwing a self-powered hub in the mix just to check if power has anything to do with it?
[20:00] <svideo> it's just weird behavior. why would it only work once after deploying the software, up to the point that i actually access it with a browser
[20:00] <svideo> then within about 5 seconds of me doiung that, going dark, then never working again across power cycles
[20:00] <svideo> until i reformat and redeploy
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[20:04] <shiftplusone> All things being equal, does it work 100% of the time after a fresh deployment and then stop working 100% of the time after you access it in some specific way? Is the sample size here greater than one?
[20:04] <shiftplusone> If that's the case, then the only thing that changes is the content of the SD card.
[20:04] <svideo> across two tests, yes
[20:05] <svideo> and yeah, that would be the only thing that should persist
[20:05] <svideo> the other reason i'm using a usb cam instead of my picam is that the picam's low light performance isn't very good
[20:05] <svideo> maybe i should just bag it and buy a noir pi cam
[20:05] <svideo> or... just say bag it all and buy an ip camera like i should have done in the first place
[20:05] <svideo> skip the pi all together
[20:06] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I was just going to say that the pi is not necessarily the right answer to everything.
[20:06] <svideo> problem there being i've now purchased 3 different camera modules (2 pi, one usb) trying to get this working right
[20:06] <svideo> sunk cost etc etc
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[20:08] <shiftplusone> I would use a pi, but mainly because I am fairly confident that I have the tools and time to find and fix whatever problems arise and would find it interesting. If I was doing something strictly for the utility of the thing itself rather than for the sake of tinkering, I'd probably skip the pi.
[20:08] <shiftplusone> but your USB camera issue doesn't sound too difficult to isolate.
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[20:09] <svideo> or build a little windows machine and skip the problems altogether plus being able to run OBS without tying up my desktop
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[20:11] <svideo> huh
[20:11] <shiftplusone> A windows machine? Well now, that's just heathen talk.
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[20:11] <svideo> ok, so last time i dug into this problem i plugged it into my pc and everything worked
[20:11] <svideo> now, it's recognized and capturing but displaying a black screen
[20:11] <svideo> could be this POS camera?
[20:11] <brainzap> did you turn it off and on again
[20:12] <shiftplusone> Yeah, doesn't sound like the camera is great.
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[20:14] <svideo> $50 camera too :(
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[20:16] <shiftplusone> ouch
[20:16] <shiftplusone> what brand?
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[20:16] <shiftplusone> Is this on Linux in both cases? Maybe the drivers are just bad?
[20:17] <svideo> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01E8OC3EO/
[20:17] <svideo> raspbian on my pi, windows 10 on my desktop
[20:18] <svideo> in both cases the device enumerates correctly, i can grab capabilities and whatnot from the device w/ uv4l and in the windows control panel
[20:18] <svideo> so it's up and live, just completely unable to capture video
[20:19] <redrabbit> sucks
[20:19] <redrabbit> looks like a good camera though
[20:19] <svideo> well, zero reviews is about to change to 1 review
[20:20] <svideo> unfortuantely i ordered it in december, so well past the return period
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[20:20] <redrabbit> have you tried to make it work for a while ?
[20:20] <svideo> it did work for a while, then it stopped in january
[20:20] <redrabbit> :o
[20:20] <redrabbit> pos
[20:20] <svideo> and i just now have been digging back into it trying to get to the bottom of the problem
[20:21] <svideo> of course, now being way too late to return
[20:21] <redrabbit> for no reason?
[20:21] <svideo> yay china
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[20:21] <redrabbit> yay dodgy resellers too
[20:22] <funkster> anyone recommend a rgb led strip? need about 2 meters, see very mixed reviews about types of strips and to even use with RPI. it will be an installation on 24/7
[20:22] <redrabbit> at that price youd expect some QC
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[20:22] <svideo> yeah i figured i was paying for some quality but lol nope
[20:22] <svideo> chinad again
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[20:24] <svideo> plugged my logitech webcam into my pi in the same usb port, working great no problems
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[20:26] <redrabbit> the cheapest solution
[20:26] <redrabbit> orange pi one + camera + psu
[20:26] <redrabbit> under 20$
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[20:39] <funkster> anyone recommend a rgb led strip? need about 2 meters, see very mixed reviews about types of strips.
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[20:49] <Chillum> funkster: you want addressable like the WS2812s?
[20:49] <Chillum> or do you want to drive the PWM yourself?
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[20:50] <funkster> Chillum: im not exactly sure of the prons/cons of either, but yes individually addressable leds would be ideals.
[20:50] <Chillum> well I like the strips that have the black WS2812B leds on them
[20:50] <Chillum> I think they look better in the dark than the white ones
[20:51] <Chillum> and they are very bright at full intensity
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[20:51] <funkster> im creating a ligthbox, so it will be covered in white acrylic, strip color prob doesn't matter (i think)
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[20:52] <funkster> Chillum: awesome, and 5v yeah? I have a powered usb hub, 5v/2.4a
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[20:52] <Chillum> probably better to go for white then
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[20:52] <Rickta59> you might look at those clocked leds for use with a pi
[20:52] <Chillum> yes 5V. They will have peaks are high as 60mA each, but on average will consume about 30mA with full white, less for colours
[20:52] <Rickta59> less time contraitns makes it easier to control
[20:52] <funkster> thats all my setup can handle for power at moment 5v/2.4a and to light up a 12x12x4 box.
[20:52] <Chillum> the pi PWM/DMA drivers for the ws2812s is actually pretty stable
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[20:53] <funkster> Rickta59: that power is based off.. 1m you are estimating?
[20:53] <Rickta59> Chillum: was quoting powere
[20:53] <funkster> ohh, sorry.
[20:53] <Chillum> well with some capacitors to deal with the surges you can probably run about 80 LEDs at full white off that
[20:54] <funkster> sweet, so where can i get specifics of what mosefst//capactiers/etc. that part i am lost on. i understand the basic wiring and code.
[20:54] <Rickta59> i thought i read something about there being issues with the PWM DMA stuff ... * at least on the adafruit page
[20:54] <funkster> capacitors*
[20:54] <Chillum> you just want a high F capacitor rated for at least 10V every 25 LEDs on so
[20:55] <Chillum> no transistors needed
[20:55] <Chillum> Rickta59: could be, I have had no problem running them though
[20:55] <Rickta59> rpi or rpi 2 or rpi 3 or zero?
[20:55] <Chillum> pi 2
[20:55] <funkster> pi 3
[20:55] <Rickta59> k the adafruit page said something about it known only to work with rpi
[20:55] <funkster> oh, for me ill use pi 3.
[20:55] <Chillum> the best thing I have found to run them is a teensy, a teensy can run about 8000 of them at full frame rate. Amazing
[20:55] <Chillum> using like 5% of the CPU
[20:56] <funkster> maybe usb a teensy to my pi and go from there?
[20:56] <Rickta59> like i said look at the apa102 .. then you can drive it at 1k if you have to
[20:56] <Rickta59> no issues
[20:56] <Chillum> I think since you are only using 80 LEDs an adruino nano would be your best choice
[20:57] <Chillum> it is a 5V logic device making it much easier, no need for level conversion
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[20:57] <Rickta59> you don't need level conversion for those .. you are only going out
[20:57] <Chillum> unless you are doing high speed animations of many LEDs the teensy is overkill
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[20:58] <funkster> gotcha, yah just one simple animation or blinking probably is needed.
[20:58] <Chillum> the WS2812s are happy to work with 3.3V logic, but the newer WS2812Bs seem to be a bit unrealiable at 3.3V, sometimes glitching
[20:58] <Rickta59> i'm talking about running the led at 5v and using 3.3v on the data pin
[20:58] <Chillum> funkster: consider hooking an arduino to the serial of your pi and have your pi tell the arduino how to set the lights, that way you can have the full linux box for the interface
[20:58] <Chillum> Rickta59: I know, that is what I am talking about
[20:59] <funkster> Chillum: yah im thinking of doing that also. need linux as its wifi connected with custom scripts.
[20:59] <Chillum> 3.3V logic is out of spec for both the WS2812 and the WS2812B but the WS2812 seems happy with it
[20:59] <funkster> and the apa102 has issues with 3.3v pins as well?
[21:00] <Chillum> since you only need to talk the arduino and not listen it will be a breeze to hook up
[21:00] <Chillum> I don't know about the APA102s, I hear they look nice though
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[21:00] <funkster> whats the lowest end arduino i should get to hook the leds and pi up? nano?
[21:00] <Chillum> ya
[21:00] <Chillum> a cheap nano
[21:00] <funkster> sweet
[21:01] <Chillum> or even a pro mini if you want to wire the serial instead of using USB
[21:01] <Chillum> but USB is handy for programming
[21:01] <Chillum> I kind of wish the RPI had a real time MCU built into it
[21:01] <funkster> yah usb works just fine. this will be my first time working with arduino :)
[21:01] <Chillum> it is a very friendly device
[21:01] <funkster> little learning curve, but seems tons of docs out there to learn.
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[21:02] <Chillum> just start with the serial example and the neopixel library examples and you will see what you need to write
[21:02] <redrabbit> i ordered 100$ worth of parts on aliexpress yesterday
[21:02] <redrabbit> cant wait to tinker
[21:02] <Chillum> assuming you have experience with programming in general
[21:02] <Chillum> noice
[21:02] <redrabbit> im gonna setup a bench
[21:02] <Chillum> iron, hot air station, power supply etc?
[21:03] <swift110> hey all
[21:03] <Chillum> yo
[21:03] <redrabbit> i have an iron already
[21:03] <Rickta59> i guess i never ran into issues with the ws2812b as I was using an msp430 that typically runs at 3.6
[21:03] <redrabbit> hot air ill see later
[21:03] <redrabbit> i grabbed parts
[21:03] <Rickta59> does seem that the specs for the ws2812b say .7 vdd
[21:03] <redrabbit> not gear
[21:03] <redrabbit> ill look into getting that proper
[21:03] <Chillum> Rickta59: yes, the 3.3V is just under spec, in fact if you power it with 4.5V is works with 3.3V logic every time
[21:04] <Rickta59> so needs 3.5 if you are running at 5v .. but then again you could run the leds at ~4.7 to do 3.3
[21:04] <redrabbit> maybe i should grab some tips for the iron
[21:04] <Chillum> yup
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[21:04] <redrabbit> atm i plain on using developement boards and dupont cables
[21:05] <Chillum> though if you want to be fancy a 74HCT245 buffer or something like it will convert the levels very cleanly
[21:05] <redrabbit> i do some soldering once in a while and its basic stuff
[21:05] <redrabbit> id need some flux as well
[21:05] <Chillum> braid
[21:05] <redrabbit> i dont even have that
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> Ersin multicore solder FTW ...
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[21:07] <redrabbit> i grabbed mostly basic parts and dev boards
[21:07] <redrabbit> stuff i will certainly use, ill have to do a bit of research for a better iron/ good hot air station
[21:08] <redrabbit> not in a hurry
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[21:10] <swift110> hey redlob
[21:11] <swift110> hey redrabbit
[21:11] <redrabbit> hey
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[21:11] <redrabbit> o/
[21:12] <swift110> how are you redrabbit
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[21:13] <redrabbit> im cool and you
[21:14] <redrabbit> looking for flux on alibaba
[21:14] <redrabbit> maybe i should get it on ebay from europe instead
[21:14] <redrabbit> china flux looks nasty ^^
[21:14] <redrabbit> annd im gonna eat some salad
[21:14] <redrabbit> that's what rabbits does
[21:14] <redrabbit> back in a few
[21:15] <brainzap> a flux capacitor from china?
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[21:16] <gordonDrogon> you shouldn't need flux for through-hole stuff.
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> just use multi-core solder - pre-fluxed.
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[21:18] <ShorTie> rosin
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[21:23] <Technomancer> I do like liquid flux, even when I'm using flux-core
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[21:24] <plum> raspberry pi is 32-bit right?
[21:25] <plum> like i'd heard that the pi 3 is 64 bit (?)
[21:25] <shiftplusone> plum: some pi models have 64bit cpus, but there's no official support for a 64bit kernel.
[21:25] <plum> but still essentially 32 bit in usage
[21:25] <plum> ahhh that's it, thank you
[21:26] <plum> sorry question wasn't as specific as i'd hoped to communicate
[21:26] <shiftplusone> there are still issues being ironed out with the kernel. Once everything works, there might be a case for making an official 64bit debian image.
[21:26] <plum> awesome
[21:26] <shiftplusone> Why do you ask?
[21:27] <plum> was reading a linux guide on installing a php security module, it offered 32 and 64 bit versions
[21:27] <shiftplusone> that guide might be talking about x86 vs amd64
[21:28] <redrabbit> i saw beef tallow could be used as flux
[21:29] <shiftplusone> O_o
[21:29] * shiftplusone makes a mental note of never getting any PCBs from redrabbit.
[21:29] <redrabbit> like its high performance
[21:30] <redrabbit> lol
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[21:30] <redrabbit> its used for industrial lubrication too
[21:31] <redrabbit> im probably gonna order some flux from ebay though
[21:31] <redrabbit> do you have favorites brands
[21:31] <redrabbit> for solder as well
[21:31] <plum> you guys use rkhunter?
[21:33] <shiftplusone> is that a rootkit detection thing? I occasionally use such things, but I have never had an antivirus or any other kind of security tool find a legitimate issue.
[21:33] <plum> it is, rootkit hunter
[21:34] <plum> i haven't found anything thus far either, trying to harden my bastion box though
[21:34] <plum> i figure might as well have the whole suite
[21:35] <plum> lynis reports i've got about 70% of recommended hardening now i think
[21:35] <plum> or recommendations
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[21:36] <plum> psad was alerting me with email every 2 minutes this weekend because it was freaked out at multicast packets lol
[21:37] <redrabbit> rkhunter is for linux systems ?
[21:37] <plum> yeah
[21:37] <redrabbit> i should try this
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[21:37] <redrabbit> to ease my paranoia
[21:37] <redrabbit> but you'll never know if you're infected
[21:37] <plum> oh man i've got a guide you'll enjoy
[21:37] <redrabbit> :)
[21:37] <plum> if you're interested in going full paranoid
[21:37] <redrabbit> gimme
[21:38] <shiftplusone> 99% of attacks you'll see will be scripted scans for known vulnerabilities which are easily thwarted. If you're a known and interesting target then you might get some crafty personalized phishing attacks. Nobody is going to put much effort into attacking something if you've taken the basic precautions and don't have anything worth getting access to. They tend to go for the low hanging fruit.
[21:38] <plum> this is for ubuntu 16.04 but most of these items apply to raspbian too
[21:38] <plum> https://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-secure-ubuntu-1604-lts-server-part-1-basics
[21:38] <redrabbit> shiftplusone: agreed
[21:38] <plum> i hear you on that
[21:38] <plum> i like the learning experience of this though
[21:38] <redrabbit> a good security shouldn't be a burden
[21:39] <redrabbit> its about the learning for me too
[21:39] <shiftplusone> I learned the most while browsing some hacking forums and looking at real successful attack payloads from compromised servers.
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[21:40] <plum> i want to ask what forums to learn the same things to look out for that you did, but idk if that goes against the rules here
[21:41] <redrabbit> im curiousa about how they harden moslty
[21:41] <plum> oh redrabbit i wasn't able to get AppArmor to load on my pi from that btw
[21:41] <plum> kinda just skipped it after a bit
[21:41] <redrabbit> there's ##security
[21:41] <plum> oooh that sounds like a fun channel
[21:41] <Lartza> doesn't raspbian already use selinux, why apparmor
[21:42] <plum> my pi doesn't use selinux from what i've seen
[21:42] <Lartza> Oh yeah seems it's not enabled by default on debian
[21:42] <plum> i should just install it though
[21:42] <plum> since apparmor gives me issues loading the module
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[21:42] <redrabbit> well tbh i dont see breakthough on the link
[21:42] <shiftplusone> plum: there's a quite popular and easily accessible forum through which a website I was a mod on was hacked. It's likely to be the first one you find with google, I think.
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[21:42] <Lartza> I can't use either because nobody has bothered to make them work with Arch :-)
[21:42] <redrabbit> i feel pretty well with my current setup when i read this
[21:43] <Lartza> Though I don't really care that much either
[21:43] <plum> right on
[21:43] <redrabbit> what i could setup is something that would send me a text message on my phone via web API each time someone logs into any of my servers via ssh
[21:44] <redrabbit> no way to delete that from the attacker standpoint
[21:44] <plum> huh, wonder if that works with email-to-text
[21:44] <shiftplusone> plum: he got a the password of one of the admins from a password leak of another website. He used the same password on both sites. They posted the hashed password on the forum and had it cracked. Then they installed a shell by adding an plugin to the phpbb forum the site was running. Then through that shell he connected to the server and got access to everything else.
[21:44] <Lartza> redrabbit, That'd probably even be fairly trivial to set-up
[21:45] <redrabbit> Lartza: would take a second
[21:45] <redrabbit> i have a sms.sh script
[21:45] <Lartza> :)
[21:45] <redrabbit> i send with ./sms.sh "message $var message"
[21:45] <shiftplusone> Which goes to show that humans are often the weakest link, although forced 2FA would've been the easiest way to prevent that.
[21:45] <redrabbit> i already have a watchdog that pings my servers all day
[21:46] <plum> oooh gotcha, that's pretty intense shiftplusone
[21:46] <plum> shared passwords for the lose
[21:46] <shiftplusone> and you know... don't give unnecessary access rights to forum admins.
[21:46] <plum> for sure
[21:46] <Lartza> My server just gets exploit scanned, and a bot uploads a php file from time to time to a public upload page
[21:46] <Lartza> <3
[21:46] <redrabbit> i keep a full copy updated everyday of my VPS
[21:47] <plum> i'm thinking of switching our comment system/forum to just use facebook authentication
[21:47] <redrabbit> since it serves web its the most vulnerable
[21:47] <plum> that way we can manage our comments through our social media presence too
[21:47] <redrabbit> if there is a breach ill wipe it and use the backups
[21:47] <shiftplusone> shouldn't expect people to require facebook, but openid is alright.
[21:47] <redrabbit> fb :c
[21:48] <shiftplusone> *shouldn't require people to have a facebook account.
[21:48] <plum> oh oh right! i forgot about openid
[21:48] <plum> you can use multiple sites to log in with that right?
[21:48] <redrabbit> plum: that's horrible imho
[21:49] <redrabbit> 1/ fb sucks 2/ repeat
[21:49] <plum> it's not the best solution for sure, but our current comment system takes way too much time to moderate
[21:49] <redrabbit> when something needs fb i simply dont do it
[21:49] <plum> i feel like unless you have dedicated moderator-only users (not content writers/editors) it's a bit archaic of an approach
[21:49] <shiftplusone> Yeah, for sites that I don't want to make a separate account for, I can generally use my google account (so they can keep a better profile of me for their advertisers, of course)
[21:50] <plum> shiftplusone: that's with openid you can use your google account?
[21:50] <shiftplusone> yes, if I understand openid correctly.
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[21:51] <redrabbit> that'd be fine
[21:51] <plum> that sounds like a lot better than limiting to facebook only
[21:51] <plum> thanks for the heads-up!
[21:52] <plum> looking for a site that has openid commenting now to take a look at it
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[22:16] <lopta> Hello NineChickens!
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[22:16] <NineChickens> Hello!
[22:16] <eumel> hi
[22:17] <funkster> anyone use a sort of inline usb battery pack. power cable -> usb battery -> raspberry. have it always run like that so if power disconnects its still up and running.
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[22:17] <lopta> funkster: I'd be tempted to do that with a capacitor and relay but a diode might suffice.
[22:18] <eumel> have you seen this one already? http://www.joy-it.net/strompi/
[22:18] <funkster> lopta: can you explain that like i'm 5 pls :(
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[22:18] <lopta> funkster: Looks emuel has an off-the-shelf solution
[22:19] <mfa298> funkster: I think some have tried that sort of setup, but not all battery banks are suitable, some will turn the output off as they switch from charging to using the battery
[22:19] <lopta> ...which would be tidier than anything I'd build
[22:19] <funkster> eumel: thats perfect solution! thanks.
[22:20] <NineChickens> I have a few questions
[22:20] <eumel> funkster: you're welcome
[22:20] <lopta> NineChickens: Ask away! :-)
[22:20] <NineChickens> Can python run console commands?
[22:20] <shiftplusone> yes
[22:20] <NineChickens> ie, can it go "sudo reboot"
[22:20] <eumel> NineChickens: look at the subprocess documentation, that's the module to go with
[22:20] <shiftplusone> The simplest way is os.system, but I believe that's deprecated.
[22:21] <funkster> mfa298: interesting. ill give small small ones a test as well.
[22:21] <eumel> shiftplusone: subprocess.Popen() / subprocess.call are preferred nowadays
[22:21] <shiftplusone> NineChickens: https://docs.python.org/2/library/subprocess.html#subprocess-replacements
[22:22] <NineChickens> so it's something like subprocess.call
[22:22] <shiftplusone> eumel: thanks. Not a python person myself.
[22:24] <[Saint]> shiftplusone don't do no snek.
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[22:25] <lopta> Algol ftw.
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[22:25] <eumel> funkster: this german reseller has has the module in stock: http://www.conrad.com/ce/en/product/1244339/StromPi-Raspberry-Pi?queryFromSuggest=true
[22:27] <funkster> eumel: sweet, i will order one to test. also looking for a powered usb hub that will do multiple ports at 5v/2a AND have a battery backup power.
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[22:27] <funkster> i could of SWORN i found one last week, but cant find it now :(
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[22:28] <[Saint]> I asked my distributor about the Pi Zero W and he threw his hands in the air and (sarcastically) declared them to be a myth, folklore, and/or a conspiracy theory.
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[22:28] <eumel> funkster: have you had a look at anker.com? they've got really nice usb power supplies there
[22:28] <lopta> [Saint]: They're powered by unicorn farts.
[22:28] <funkster> yah, looking now. they have a 5.8A output 5v, that looks like it will work nicely :)
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[22:29] <leftyfb> [Saint]: where are you located? Adafruit, Canakit and Microcenter seems to be pretty well stocked now
[22:29] <lopta> funkster: What sort of battery are they using?
[22:29] <[Saint]> leftyfb: Australasia.
[22:29] <[Saint]> New Zealand, specifically.
[22:29] * lopta hugs New Zealand
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[22:30] <[Saint]> ...k
[22:30] <plum> New Zealand ROCKS!!!
[22:30] <[Saint]> It's really not as great as the rest of the world seems to think it is.
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[22:30] <plum> i've never been there tbh
[22:30] <[Saint]> Our public face of nature and clenliness is mostly a farce.
[22:30] <plum> was mainly quoting from flight of the conchords
[22:30] <[Saint]> Ah.
[22:31] <funkster> lopta: for the portable charge? i found a few one amazon, one is https://www.amazon.com/RAVPower-Portable-22000mAh-Li-polymer-Smartphones/dp/B01G1XH46M/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1489440368&sr=8-14&keywords=usb+power+battery
[22:31] <NineChickens> Would the Zero W likely to be more available in 2-odd months?
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[22:31] <plum> NineChickens: where are you located? i think it was Canakit, had it available in good quantities like a week ago
[22:32] <plum> for US
[22:32] <NineChickens> UK
[22:32] <NineChickens> ModMyPi has it
[22:32] <plum> oh yeah they do! i've ordered from them before
[22:32] <NineChickens> It's just that they have free shipping
[22:32] <leftyfb> pimoroni also has them
[22:33] <[Saint]> NineChickens: re: availability, no.
[22:34] <[Saint]> By that time the interest may have dropped a little, but so will the available number of units.
[22:34] <NineChickens> oh
[22:35] <[Saint]> I've resorted to buying at 50~100% markup from gouging resellers on our local Amazon/Craigslist-esque clone.
[22:35] <[Saint]> (I wanted 4 of them. _right now_ to populate a Bramble cluster HAT)
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[22:41] <NineChickens> http://pastebin.com/Jyc52WrT This commenting more or less right?
[22:41] <NineChickens> Line 8 should be a comment
[22:41] <plum> bramble cluster hat?
[22:42] <NineChickens> Dramble, I think
[22:43] <NineChickens> Also I need some help
[22:43] <plum> ooh cool
[22:43] <plum> what do you do with a cluster hat like that?
[22:43] <plum> and what's up NineChickens
[22:44] <NineChickens> I'm planning on making a project with a wireless door lock
[22:44] <NineChickens> It's going to be something like Mycroft on a 3B connecting to a Zero W
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[22:44] <NineChickens> And from research I think the best way to do that is TCP
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[22:44] <NineChickens> One would have to have the client code and the other the server, right?
[22:45] <lopta> NineChickens: Why TCP and not UDP?
[22:45] <NineChickens> Apparently TCP is less likely to fail
[22:45] <plum> makes sense to me, you want that packet checking in tcp
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[22:45] <cromulent> I'd tell you a UDP joke but you might not get it
[22:45] <lopta> NineChickens: Presumably you're going to poll for status afterwards.
[22:45] <plum> cromulent: do tell!
[22:45] <plum> WAIT I GET IT OMG
[22:45] <plum> hahahahahahha
[22:45] <lopta> cromulent: :-)
[22:46] <plum> *lightbulb*
[22:46] <Habbie> plum, are you pretending UDP has retransmits? :)
[22:46] <NineChickens> lopta: How do I do that?
[22:46] <lopta> NineChickens: Depends on your programming language, probably.
[22:46] <plum> Habbie: time change has made significant packet loss to my brain :P
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[22:47] <lopta> I just forward the packets. I don't make 'em. ;-)
[22:47] <Habbie> plum, ah yes, that time of year
[22:47] <NineChickens> Python, I think
[22:47] <Habbie> plum, two weeks left for us here
[22:47] <plum> i swear once i accumulate enough time off at this new job, i'm going to call off the first day of every time-change week
[22:47] <plum> just sleep all day to reset
[22:47] <NineChickens> I think it'd have to be server on the Zero W
[22:48] <NineChickens> though I could have it ping the 3B every now and then and basically go "you there?"
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[22:48] <lopta> NineChickens: Seems like you're overthinking it.
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[22:48] <cromulent> :D
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[22:48] <NineChickens> how would you do it then
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[22:48] <[Saint]> plum: re: what do you do with a cluster hat - make a cluster...
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[22:49] <plum> what does one do with a cluster?
[22:49] <lopta> plum: Take over the world.
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[22:49] <eumel> plum: run a docker swarm
[22:50] <lopta> Is Docker even an option on ARM yet?
[22:50] <[Saint]> ...for years.
[22:50] <lopta> Oh ok.
[22:50] * lopta <- not a Linux user
[22:50] <lopta> Does Docker use OpenStack?
[22:51] <eumel> lopta: you can use docker containers in openstack
[22:51] <eumel> lopta: but docker does not use openstack
[22:51] <[Saint]> IIRC there's a compile time flag to allow for it.
[22:51] <lopta> Does OpenStack support other container systems and hypervisors?
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[22:51] <eumel> lopta: a lot
[22:52] <eumel> lopta: focus is in provisioning vms with various hypervisors
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[22:52] <eumel> lopta: .. docker is a bonus
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[22:53] <[Saint]> Incidentally, my little cluster of Zeros is a docker swarm. I also have a cluster of 8 Pi 3s run by a Hardkernel ODROID XU4 that does provides a distributed ARM build box.
[22:54] <[Saint]> And a couple of other decommissioned clusters of Pi3s I've been slowly robbing for bits.
[22:54] <plum> i've wanted to make a pi cluster for a while but i don't have anything i'd use it for
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[22:54] <[Saint]> You can use it for whatever you're using a pi for now.
[22:54] <vavincavent> hi, i've tested to put my pi zero w as access point but it failed, can someone help me?
[22:54] <[Saint]> Just throwing more threads at it.
[22:55] <b3h3m0th> What is the most reliable way to set up a WiFi hostspot on Raspberry Pi? I'm using Pi 3 Model B to be specific
[22:55] <vavincavent> https://frillip.com/using-your-raspberry-pi-3-as-a-wifi-access-point-with-hostapd/
[22:55] <eumel> [Saint]: how's the odroid running? i've been thinking about buying one for a while now
[22:55] <b3h3m0th> vavincavent: I found hostapd to be unreliable
[22:55] <b3h3m0th> Is it just me?
[22:55] <[Saint]> eumel: they're basically what the Pi should be, IMO.
[22:55] <[Saint]> eumel: major benefits being USB3, and gigeE.
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[22:56] <[Saint]> That's why I use it as the master for the Pi 3 cluster, since it's gigE and the Pis are all 10/100, I don't have to worry about network bottleneck.
[22:56] <eumel> [Saint]: okay, are usb and ethernet on the same bus like on the pi?
[22:56] <[Saint]> No.
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[22:57] <b3h3m0th> When I use hostapd, the AP sometimes becomes visible, sometimes not
[22:57] <vavincavent> on my phone, i see the ssid, i'm "connected" but no respond with putty
[22:57] <eumel> [Saint]: that should be a nice performance boost in some server scenarios then
[22:59] <b3h3m0th> Can I paste here?
[22:59] <b3h3m0th> What is the recommended pastebin?
[22:59] <vavincavent> the tuto is made for a pi3, wlan0 and eth0, pi zero w has just wlan0, so i stop tuto before ip v4 forward
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[23:00] <eumel> b3h3m0th: paste.debian.net
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[23:01] <b3h3m0th> Check this out https://paste.debian.net/919705/
[23:01] <b3h3m0th> It's stuck here and there's no AP I can see on my phone. It used to be there when I tried a few hours back.
[23:01] <eumel> b3h3m0th: can you paste hostapd.conf?
[23:03] <vavincavent> b3h3m0th, quite the same for me
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[23:03] <b3h3m0th> hostapd.conf: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24173051/
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[23:05] <b3h3m0th> and the systemd unit I created: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24173061/
[23:05] <vavincavent> https://paste.debian.net/919706/
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[23:06] <b3h3m0th> I don't need to specify driver if I'm using the internal adapter right?
[23:07] <eumel> b3h3m0th: at least i never did, you're running a pi 3?
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[23:07] <b3h3m0th> Yup. Pi 3 Model B
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[23:07] <vavincavent> pi zero w for me
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[23:08] <b3h3m0th> Is there any more reliable AP?
[23:09] <eumel> b3h3m0th: never had problems with hostapd, are you running the latest version? system is up-to-date?
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[23:09] <b3h3m0th> hostapd v2.7-devel-hostap_2_6-841-g133439b
[23:09] <b3h3m0th> how can I check system version?
[23:09] <eumel> b3h3m0th: should be in /etc/os-release
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[23:10] <b3h3m0th> VERSION_ID="8"
[23:11] <eumel> b3h3m0th: have you compiled hostapd yourself? version in the repositories is 2.3
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[23:11] <b3h3m0th> yea I compiled the hostapd within hostap at http://w1.fi/hostap.git/
[23:12] <NineChickens> What's the correct way to have an endlessly looping bit of python?
[23:12] <NineChickens> while 1: ?
[23:12] <b3h3m0th> while True:
[23:13] <NineChickens> damn capital letters
[23:13] <eumel> b3h3m0th: can you reinstall from the repo?
[23:14] <b3h3m0th> actually I used repo version first when I first ran into these issues. Thought of building latest in hope of fixing it.
[23:14] <b3h3m0th> NineChickens: I'd have done a `print 1==1` to figure out ;)
[23:15] <vavincavent> i will try another tuto :http://www.pistuffing.co.uk/Installation.html
[23:15] <eumel> b3h3m0th: ah okay, strange, the repo version works without any issues for me. can't compile it my self right now unfortunately ..
[23:16] <b3h3m0th> yea, there are some dependencies to be manually resolved
[23:16] <b3h3m0th> like libnl and openssl
[23:17] <NineChickens> ok, got it working
[23:18] <NineChickens> thanks!
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[23:19] <eumel> b3h3m0th: i'd start running the service on command line with an empty hostapd.conf adding more and more options until it breaks
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[23:20] <b3h3m0th> what are the bare minimum requirements?
[23:21] <b3h3m0th> for an open network
[23:21] <b3h3m0th> *open AP
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[23:22] <wenxs> Hey. I'm having some problems with my raspberry. Since I upgraded to jessie, some of my hard drives, and sometimes my wifi dongle, are not detected during startup
[23:22] <wenxs> it's not always, just some of the times, but it's annoying
[23:22] <wenxs> what could be causing it?
[23:23] <eumel> b3h3m0th: interface, ssid, channel, hw_mode, auth_algs should be enough
[23:23] <wenxs> I have three hard drives (2 2.5" and 1 3.5") connected to a powered usb hub
[23:23] <eumel> wenxs: do you have enough power for the pi and all of you're drives?
[23:24] <eumel> wenxs: could be caused by an insufficient power supply, but i assume you're running all drives with external power
[23:24] <wenxs> that's my first thought as well. How can I check that? Before upgrading from wheezy, I didn't have this problem (and I had exactly the same setup)
[23:24] <wenxs> the drives are all connected to a powered usb hub
[23:24] <wenxs> and the raspberry has a separate power supply
[23:25] <Dr-007> wenxs, when i had this, my USB power supply to the PI was "broken"
[23:25] <b3h3m0th> eumel: if auth_algs is set to 2, does it mean that it's open AP?
[23:25] <wenxs> also, once it boots and everything is alright (most of the time), the drives never fail or disconnect
[23:25] <wenxs> aha
[23:25] <eumel> wenxs: okay, that should be fine, i've had similiar issues with a drive that wasn't recognized until i bought a better usb-cable, took me days to figure that out, that's why i thought about that at first sight
[23:26] <Dr-007> eg, in my case the PI worked. but sometimes there were power surges
[23:26] <eumel> b3h3m0th: auth_algs=1 should be open system authentication
[23:26] <wenxs> also, sometimes it's my wifi dongle that is not recognised (or doesn't get the automatic IP, at least)
[23:26] <b3h3m0th> oh yeah
[23:26] <wenxs> which is more annoying since I can't restart it remotely
[23:27] <b3h3m0th> Is the "1489444034.796137: Failed to create interface mon.wlan0: -95 (Operation not supported)" normal?
[23:27] <b3h3m0th> What does itmean?
[23:27] <wenxs> Oh, and I had to add the "nofail" in the fstab entries for the three hard drives, otherwise when one of them was not available on boot, the rpi would enter the emergency mode.
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[23:28] <eumel> b3h3m0th: mon.wlan sounds like it's trying to put the device in monitor mode, and that's in fact not supported by the adapter build into the pi 3
[23:29] <eumel> b3h3m0th: that's recoverable with aircrack for instance
[23:29] <eumel> b3h3m0th: but why it's trying to do that seems strange to me
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[23:30] <eumel> wenxs: what does dmesg show you when the drives fail to mount?
[23:30] <eumel> wenxs: any errors?
[23:30] <wenxs> Mmm, i can't say right now (is there a record?)
[23:30] <b3h3m0th> what about "1489444034.824642: wlan0: Could not connect to kernel driver" ?
[23:30] <eumel> wenxs: there should be, the kernel reports errors with the drives in there
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[23:31] <wenxs> I checked the journalctl when the pi entered the emergency mode
[23:31] <eumel> b3h3m0th: have you tried specifying the driver for the wifi adapter in hostapd.conf?
[23:31] <b3h3m0th> nope
[23:31] <b3h3m0th> I'm using in-built adapter
[23:31] <wenxs> and basically the PI was waiting for the disk to be available, with problems such as "/dev/sda does not contain a filesystem or disklabel"
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[23:32] <eumel> b3h3m0th: try it
[23:32] <eumel> driver=nl80211
[23:32] <b3h3m0th> interface=wlan0; ssid=IoT_JackHammerX; hw_mode=g; channel=6; auth_algs=1; logger_stdout=-1; logger_stdout_level=0
[23:32] <b3h3m0th> This is my config now
[23:33] <wenxs> (is there a way to check if the Rpi is struggling with low power?)
[23:33] <b3h3m0th> eumel: but what should I specify as driver?
[23:34] <eumel> b3h3m0th: driver=nl80211
[23:34] <eumel> b3h3m0th: hat's the brcmfmac driver
[23:34] <b3h3m0th> btw. would "hw_mode=g" be an issue?
[23:34] <b3h3m0th> should I be setting that to n or ac?
[23:35] <eumel> b3h3m0th: depends on the clients that should connect, ac isn't that wideley supported at the moment, n is the old fashioned 2.4 GHz mode
[23:35] <b3h3m0th> so is there a superset?
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[23:37] <eumel> b3h3m0th: stick with n if there's no 5GHz compatible client, if there are only 5GHz compatible clients use ac
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[23:37] <eumel> b3h3m0th: any luck with the driver option yet?
[23:37] <b3h3m0th> nope
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[23:38] <vavincavent> b3h3m0th, it seems to be working for me
[23:38] <Dr-007> nl80211, the netherlands. awesomest country in the world
[23:38] <b3h3m0th> could hw_mode be the issue?
[23:38] <eumel> b3h3m0th: have you installed the nesessary drivers? you've compiled from source, are kernel modules loaded?
[23:38] <b3h3m0th> Is it possible to support both n and ac?
[23:39] <eumel> b3h3m0th: yes, with multiple antennas
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[23:39] <b3h3m0th> okay
[23:39] <b3h3m0th> what modules?
[23:39] <b3h3m0th> what I compiled from sources was hostapd alone
[23:39] <b3h3m0th> and won't the drivers be pre installed?
[23:39] <eumel> b3h3m0th: the driver option i gave you depends on brcmfmac modules installed and loaded, grep in lsmod for it
[23:40] <eumel> b3h3m0th: depends
[23:40] <b3h3m0th> brcmfmac 186403 0 brcmutil 5661 1 brcmfmac cfg80211 428871 1 brcmfmac
[23:40] <eumel> b3h3m0th: okay that's fine
[23:41] <eumel> b3h3m0th: sry buddy i'm going to give up for today, maybe someone else can help you out
[23:41] <b3h3m0th> that's okay. thanks
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