#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-03-16

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[0:00] <S0bait> mfa298: I installed xQuartz, do I need to 'run' something/
[0:00] <mfa298> ah I see xQuartz looks to be an X client
[0:01] <mfa298> you might need to ensure it's running on the mac
[0:01] <freechips> a new bios wouldn't be so bad though
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[0:01] <mfa298> I've not used macos in ages (10.5) and there used to be a X11 server in the OS you could run
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[0:01] <HrdwrBoB> xquartz is a whole system
[0:01] <S0bait> Do i need to setup xAuthority on mac ?
[0:02] <HrdwrBoB> that includes an x server
[0:02] <HrdwrBoB> but I haven't used it for ages
[0:02] <mfa298> freechips: there's no bios on the pi, the hardware limit is in the videocor gpu
[0:02] <S0bait> 1282 0.0 0.7 2599772 57996 ?? S 6:57pm 0:02.00 /Applications/Utilities/XQuartz.app/Contents/MacOS/X11.bin --listenonly
[0:02] <S0bait> it seems to be runnining
[0:02] <teclo-> mfa298: indeed. Since 10.9 the Xserver isn't shipped with MacOSX, but you have just to go click X11 in the Applications and it will install Xquartz
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[0:03] <ali1234> heh... i have working network with systemd but no ifconfig or ping
[0:04] <mfa298> I've only done xforwarding to Linux (just works) or windows (install and run xming and it just works)
[0:04] <S0bait> hm maybe I shouldnt use imshow
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[0:09] <freechips> mfa298: im talking about that config.txt in the /boot partition
[0:10] <freechips> if there was a bios a good deal of things would be more standard
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[0:10] <freechips> but there are some quirks, like for example i have a fixed min/max display resolution and need to set it under config.txt
[0:11] <freechips> not saying the system is unusable right now, just that a real bios wouldn't be such a bad idea
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[0:12] <ali1234> freechips: despite what people just told you, the raspberry pi does have a bios
[0:12] <ali1234> it is stored in mask rom and is equivalent to bootcode.bin on the sd card
[0:12] <mfa298> freechips: well all the firmware for the pi comes from the sd card so "the bios" as you're calling it is regularly updated
[0:12] <teclo-> well, no, the Raspberry Pi doesn't have a BIOS because it doesn't need one, and it would make the system more expensive
[0:12] <freechips> S0bait: may i ask what you're doing?
[0:12] <ali1234> bootcode.bin is in fact just an updated version of whats in the mask rom, afaik
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[0:13] <freechips> if you don't absolutely need to use ssh -Y you might have a better time with a vnc client
[0:13] <freechips> also X forwarding isnt that safe they say, not sure about that
[0:13] <mfa298> the bit of firmware on the chip is very minimal - just enoguh to load the next bit from a fat partition on the SD (or usb device on the Pi3)
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[0:14] <S0bait> freechips: suggested vnc client
[0:14] <teclo-> freechips: it's not X forwarding it's ssh forward, it's encrypted
[0:16] <S0bait> freechips: Would using vnc client mean I dont have to worry about x forward all that crap?
[0:16] <freechips> well yes and no
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[0:17] <freechips> i think it would be slightly easier to use, it's a very portable setup
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[0:17] <freechips> but you would need to have an ssh tunnel
[0:17] <freechips> so you need a ssh server + vnc server on the machine
[0:17] <freechips> so you DO have to set up the vnc server, but once that's done not many further issues..
[0:18] <S0bait> ok
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[0:18] <freechips> the thing is vnc isn't that secure, so people just use ssh tunnels
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[0:19] <S0bait> freechips: xauth: /home/foo/.Xauthority not writable, changes will be ignored
[0:19] <S0bait> dont care
[0:20] <S0bait> about securit
[0:20] <freechips> so you use ssh to connect to the raspberrypi, and you enable a tunnel flag (very easy). afterwards on the machien youre connecting from you'll have a port that acts as if it was on the raspberrypi
[0:20] <freechips> S0bait: i found it to be simpler. but if the x server works, thats fine as well.
[0:21] <freechips> there are a couple of vnc clients that work very well, cross platform
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[0:22] <S0bait> freechips: I am using tightvncserver for the rpi then using whatever google returned for the client lol
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[0:24] <freechips> that'd do
[0:24] <freechips> check out the wiki page
[0:26] <freechips> as far as i remember it's dead simple, basically zero config. just a .vnc/ folder with inside a config + xstartup files.
[0:27] <freechips> in the config i have setup localhost only connections (like i said, security is dead easy to setup once you already have ssh enabled)
[0:27] <S0bait> So I got it running
[0:27] <S0bait> but I do not know the domainname/address like it shows here: https://smittytone.wordpress.com/2016/03/02/mac_remote_desktop_pi/
[0:27] <freechips> also i remember that you can have some way to forward the currently running session, whilst the default is to make a new session
[0:29] <freechips> what do you mean you dont know the dommainname?
[0:29] <freechips> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TigerVNC check this out
[0:30] <S0bait> freechips: vnc://pi.local:5901
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[0:30] <S0bait> VNC Server IP Address and port
[0:31] <freechips> the same as you connect with ssh?
[0:32] <freechips> i dont get the issue
[0:32] <freechips> so im gonna go sleep
[0:33] <freechips> but pi.local is the local dns name for the raspberry pi, dont worry about that
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[0:33] <freechips> you just plug in the usual ip address you use and the 5901 port. and sometimes you have to specify the screen number in vnc (like :1)
[0:33] <freechips> just read the wiki page i gave you
[0:36] <S0bait> freechips: Okay
[0:36] <S0bait> freechips: So while using vnc, if I then go ahead and runt he application that needs a monitor, it will JUST work?
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[0:41] <S0bait> freechips: IT WORKS! OMFG. SUPPerslow but works.
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[2:20] <atomi> any chance on getting on SFP interface on the next rpi
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[2:20] <atomi> *an
[2:20] <GreeningGalaxy> SFP?
[2:20] <atomi> yeah SFP+
[2:21] <ball> atomi: I would be surprised
[2:21] <GreeningGalaxy> what is that?
[2:21] <atomi> can you imagine though
[2:22] <ball> atomi: I can imagine all sorts of things.
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[2:22] <atomi> you could do a port channel on a cluster of rpis
[2:22] <ball> GreeningGalaxy: It's a modular inteface for Ethernet, allowing various copper & fibre physical media.
[2:22] <atomi> 8 rpis would give you a whopping 800mbps
[2:23] <ball> atomi: No it wouldn't ;-)
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[2:23] <ball> ...and that's hardly whopping.
[2:23] <atomi> yeah it wouldn't lol
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[2:25] * ball hides his bucket of AUI transceivers
[2:27] <atomi> lol
[2:27] <ball> I gave away most of my 10base2 stuff when I moved to the U.S.
[2:28] <ball> ...somehow ended up with all the parts I'd need to build a 10baseT LAN ;-)
[2:28] <clever> i still have a 4 port + bnc 10mbit hub
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[2:31] <atomi> some of the new switches and gateways from ubiquiti are getting pretty inexpensive
[2:33] <ball> I haven't priced up a 25G switch yet.
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[2:40] <oq> ball: 10G is already too slow for you?
[2:43] <ball> oq: Depends where we're putting it.
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[2:50] <GreeningGalaxy> 10G is getting into the zone where it's hard to stuff the signal down a cable, isn't it? Or is that just fiber at that point
[2:51] <[Saint]> should use fiber for interconnects anyway.
[2:51] <ball> Twinax might be an option but I lean more towards fibre.
[2:51] <[Saint]> dammit autocorrect, fibre _is_ a word.
[2:51] <[Saint]> grumble.
[2:52] <ball> Good grief, there's 10Gbase-T
[2:52] <ball> 100m over Cat 6a
[2:53] <atomi> there is sfp+ with a copper transceiver now too
[2:54] <atomi> so you can do that with 10 gigabit ethernet over Cat 6a/7 cable
[2:54] <oq> I only have gigabit in my house
[2:54] <ball> 25G can be twinax or fibre
[2:54] <ball> (or backplane)
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[2:54] <ball> ...glad I'm not designing /those/ PCBs!
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[3:00] <GreeningGalaxy> so a single pulse in the wire is like what, the width of your little finger?
[3:00] <GreeningGalaxy> jesus
[3:00] <oq> wot
[3:00] <ball> GreeningGalaxy: It's never a single pulse.
[3:00] <GreeningGalaxy> well no, but I mean, the time resolution is that length.
[3:01] <ball> I haven't measured it.
[3:01] <GreeningGalaxy> well I mean, 25G means 25 gigabit, right? so the carrier frequency necessarily has to be at least 25 GHz.
[3:02] <ball> GreeningGalaxy: That's not how this works ;-)
[3:02] <GreeningGalaxy> or half that.
[3:02] <ball> It's not like an RS-232 cable.
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[3:03] <GreeningGalaxy> I dunno man, the Fourier theorem is a pretty iron law here
[3:04] <ball> GreeningGalaxy: It's never a single conductor though.
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[3:04] <ball> (for copper)
[3:04] <ball> Looks like 10G is clocked at 500 MHz
[3:04] <ball> Not sure about 25G yet
[3:05] * ball breaks out his slide rule
[3:05] <GreeningGalaxy> wait, so how many conductors are there? and are they differential?
[3:05] <ball> Yes, they're differential
[3:05] <ball> ...and presumably four pairs.
[3:06] <ball> ...so the wavelength would be what, 60cm?
[3:06] <ball> ...and I don't know how many waves to a frame.
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[3:06] <GreeningGalaxy> okay, so if we assume every half-cycle can be a bit, and there are four in parallel... I don't get it. That only comes out to four Gbps for 500 MHz, doesn't it?
[3:06] <ball> ...probably quite a few.
[3:07] <ball> ...especially if you have jumbo frames.
[3:07] <ball> GreeningGalaxy: You're assuming binary.
[3:07] <GreeningGalaxy> it's analog??
[3:07] <ball> Not quite, but it's not binary.
[3:08] <GreeningGalaxy> multiple discrete levels, then?
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[3:09] * ball nods
[3:09] <GreeningGalaxy> huh. TIL.
[3:09] <ball> Looks like that was introduced with 100base-TX
[3:09] <ball> (which only used two pairs)
[3:10] <ball> 10base-T is +2V5 or -2V5
[3:10] <ball> 100baseT has +1V 0V or -1V
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[3:10] <ball> They use PAM with five Voltages for gigabit
[3:11] <ball> ...after that, I lose track.
[3:11] <ball> So essentially, it's magic.
[3:12] * ball wanders off to look for the dog.
[3:15] <plugwash> any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced ;)
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[3:23] <ball> Nice nod to Mr. Clarke there.
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[3:34] * ball gives up and goes to bed.
[3:34] <ball> Goodnight everyone.
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[4:44] <ponA> hi, i tried googling that but "setting up wifi on Pi" gives just too many results for me to browse through
[4:45] <ponA> i want to put some file(s) on the boot partition, the pi should setup WiFi access and get a static IP, also ssh should be enabled
[4:46] <ponA> i read that you could use an empty file "ssh" to enable it, also you can put "wpa_supplicant.conf" on the boot partition and the pi will copy the file over
[4:46] * Broly looks at the exit
[4:46] * Broly runs
[4:47] <ponA> so ssh is done, WiFi setup should also work, but how do i set a static IP only using the SD card?
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[4:48] <oq> ponA: log into your router and assign static leases in the dhcp server
[4:48] <oq> it's really the best way to go about static
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[4:52] <[Saint]> ^ bingo
[4:52] <ponA> the pi is for an older friend of mine, i know how his router is configured and i would like to make installation as effortless as possible for him, just giving the pi a static IP would work in this case
[4:52] <[Saint]> presumably you'll see him in person to give him this hardware?
[4:53] <[Saint]> if so...do him a favor and set up static DHCP leasing.
[4:53] <ponA> he has the hardware, i just send him a script to execute and the files to put on the pi
[4:53] <[Saint]> ...oh.
[4:53] <[Saint]> you'll be making some very broad assumptions about his network.
[4:54] <ponA> i know setting this up via dhcp would be the nicer solution
[4:54] <[Saint]> many of which may or may not be true.
[4:54] <[Saint]> why do you even need static addressing?
[4:54] <[Saint]> or, him, rather.
[4:54] <[Saint]> her...whatevs.
[4:54] <oq> ponA: you could set up the pi to email you the ip when it boots or something
[4:55] <ponA> there is a website running on the pi, would be nice to know the IP for that :)
[4:55] <ponA> hmm, how do i set that up if i dont know the IP to which i want to ssh in?
[4:56] <[Saint]> ...you or he have changed the user and pass, right?
[4:56] <oq> so you don't have a pi?
[4:56] <[Saint]> and you're definitely using key based auth with pass disabled with public facing ssh....right?
[4:56] <[Saint]> Please say yes.
[4:57] <oq> [Saint]: maybe its a local website
[4:57] <oq> since his friend would have to go onto his router page to forward the right port to the pi's ip anyway
[4:57] <[Saint]> Maybe, but he'd still need to punch a hole through NAT to ssh in to it.
[4:57] <[Saint]> making ssh still problematic with defaults.
[4:57] <ponA> it is a local website
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[4:58] <ponA> i dont want to use ssh externally, thats why i want to setup a script that he can just execute
[4:58] <oq> makes sense
[4:59] <[Saint]> "if i dont know the IP to which i want to ssh in?"
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[4:59] <oq> [Saint]: hence static
[4:59] <[Saint]> so, you're local, or you're not? I'm confused.
[4:59] <Broly> ugh
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[5:00] <oq> ponA: do you have a computer capable of reading/writing to ext partitions
[5:00] <ponA> just a windows pc
[5:01] <ponA> my plan was: i will be sending him some files, he downloads the original pi image, puts the image on the SD, copies my files onto the /boot partition (which is fat32) and starts up the pi
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[5:01] <[Saint]> That'll work fine. But you'd need some prior knowledge about the network structure.
[5:01] <ponA> then he uses a batch file which i send him to setup the rest
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[5:02] <ponA> i know that e.g. *.*.*.51 is free
[5:02] <oq> I don't believe you can assign a static ip through the boot partition, no
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[5:02] <ponA> hmm, that would have been nice
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[5:02] <[Saint]> you can static entirely though wpa_supplicant
[5:03] <oq> you can?
[5:03] <[Saint]> you can.
[5:03] <ponA> ohh, how? :)
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[5:04] <[Saint]> ask google for one of the myriad articles related to the search string 'wpa_supplicant static address"
[5:04] <oq> I just tried that, you just get articles showing how to do it through /etc/network/interfaces
[5:04] <oq> it would be better if you shared your own method [Saint]
[5:04] <ponA> me too :/
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[5:06] <[Saint]> well, I guess the relevant first question is, will it actually be running wireless?
[5:07] <[Saint]> One would suppose or hope not.
[5:09] <ponA> wow, i realize that i am testing the whole thing wireless, but i dont know if it will be wireless at my buddys house
[5:10] <ponA> hmm, i will have to check that out...
[5:10] <[Saint]> definitely worth establishing.
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[5:10] <[Saint]> I would certainly hope it's wired.
[5:10] <ponA> why?
[5:11] <[Saint]> because wireless isn't anywhere near as reliable, especially the pi3's embedded wireless, which loses signal if you look at it wrong.
[5:12] <Broly> SOUNDS LIKE MY <insert significant other here> SOMETIMES
[5:12] * Broly cues laugh track
[5:12] * Broly continues to watch ;)
[5:13] <ponA> okay, if it was wireless, how would i set that up? and how would i set it up for LAN?
[5:13] <oq> setting up headless wireless is such a pain
[5:14] <oq> because it's impossible to work out what went wrong
[5:15] <[Saint]> the 'simple' way is to just generate the network section with wpa_passphrase and concatenate it to wpa_supplicant.conf
[5:15] <[Saint]> #$:~ wpa_passphrase SSID PASSPHRASE >> /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[5:16] <[Saint]> move wpa_supplicant.conf to *.bak first if you're sketchy about it.
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[5:17] <oq> how does this help him setup a static address via the fat32 boot partition
[5:17] <ponA> "Since May 2016, Raspbian has been able to copy wifi details from /boot/wpa_supplicant.conf into /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf to automatically configure wireless network access" that is what i found
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[5:18] <ponA> so how do i get a static IP through wpa_supplicant.conf?
[5:19] <GreeningGalaxy> ugh, I keep forgetting most desktop machines can't mount an RPi's /. It's so useful to be able to do that.
[5:19] <[Saint]> oq: because one can take that wpa_supplicant.conf and then drop it in /boot in a clean install
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[5:20] <oq> GreeningGalaxy: even if he could he doesn't want to modify the image, he just wants files to give to his friend to put in boot for his friend who downloads their own image
[5:20] <oq> [Saint]: but how does that assign a static ip address
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[5:21] <ponA> i dont want to use an image of my Pi because it is a pain to upload such large files
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[5:23] <[Saint]> drop the address/network/gateway params in the network field in wpa_supplicant.conf, I certainly don't recall doing anything more more than that to get this working in my systems. But perhaps I did. It wouldn;t surprise me if I made some convoluted parsing logic actually.
[5:24] <oq> but there are no "address/network/gateway params in the network field in wpa_supplicant.conf" to drop
[5:26] <redrabbit> …
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[5:26] <redrabbit> > /etc/network/interfaces for static address/network/gateway
[5:26] <[Saint]> Hmmm, yep. You're right. I added a service to parse this for some reason. Well...there's that out the window.
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[5:27] <ponA> hmm, okay, then i'll set that up manually using teamviewer or something like that...
[5:27] <[Saint]> Looks like my line of thinking was doing it in a single place. But it's probably drug induced.
[5:29] <[Saint]> Yeah...allmost definitely a drug addled spurt of 'inspiration' I had. Needlessly convoluted, and not commented at all, except for a single reference to fix something but not what it was I needed to fix.
[5:29] <[Saint]> ...whoops.
[5:29] <oq> redrabbit: yep, as I suspected, [Saint] was adamant it was otherwise though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[5:31] <[Saint]> Yeah, I was. Indeed. For some reason I added a service to parse it out without any distinct memory of it.
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[6:26] <redrabbit> drugs
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[6:29] <[Saint]> ...yep.
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[6:30] <[Saint]> Not sure how explicit I can be in a "family friendly" channel, but opiates and I are old friends.
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[6:37] <NoCode> will I have any type of complications creating a dm-crypt block ion my pi? Being it flash and all?
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[6:53] <[Saint]> grrr, took me way too long to figure out that I forgot to set the limits in alsa and that max volume is a 4dB overdrive.
[6:53] <[Saint]> No wonder I could pick out clipping.
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[6:55] <[Saint]> really annoying that it seems to fight me on outputting over 3.5mm composite stereo and HDMI.
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[7:46] <drjam> lol
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[8:59] <Kwest> Greetings, everybody
[9:00] <Kwest> Has anyone used xpt2046 display for pi 3 model b?
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[9:02] <ShorTie> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=108432
[9:03] <ShorTie> like that ??
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[9:05] <Kwest> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=947933
[9:05] <Kwest> like that
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[9:07] <Kwest> 5 inch waveshare with no additional info
[9:08] <Kwest> except touch controller
[9:09] <Kwest> link contains list of advices to getting it worked, but it still don't, so here i am, looking for some advice
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[9:36] <freechips> S0bait: shouldn't be too slow. try to avoid having an X session running on the device and also a vnc server. the vnc server shouldn't put your device under too much stress as it's supposed to be only a buffer i think
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[12:37] <gordonDrogon> good raspberry pipping time of day to you all ...
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[12:44] <Drzacek> Hello gordonDrogon
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[12:58] <pwillard> o/
[12:58] <Lonefish> o/
[12:59] <pinkkis> o/
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[13:04] <pwillard> I've not seen VNC have much impact on latest releases... though lately I only use a Pi3 and that helps too
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[13:05] <HrdwrBoB> ?
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[14:17] <Shadonovitch> Hey, is it possible on a RPi 3 to make virtual wireless interface using the on-board wifi ? I'd want to make mesh networking with one interface being HostAP , the other interface a client
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[14:22] <plugwash> I beleive it is possible with the caveat that both interfaces have to be on the same channel
[14:22] <plugwash> Also I don't know how to do it
[14:23] <Habbie> i would also assume they'd have to be on the same channel, yes
[14:23] <kerio> the rpi3 has dual radios?
[14:23] <Habbie> kerio, no, hence the same channel requirement
[14:24] <kerio> Shadonovitch: any reason you're not using wifi adhoc mode?
[14:24] <binaryhermit> you could also add a dongle
[14:24] <binaryhermit> and have one as an ap, one as a client
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[14:37] <Shadonovitch> kerio: I need a network of Raspberry Pi, i'm trying to build my own music network with Pi's
[14:38] <Shadonovitch> the idea is to 1/ A2DP with a phone on BT of a Pi that redirects to the analogic port ; 2/ Connect to nearby Pi' network to cast what is in the pulse sink to the network 3/ Play on a different Pi' analogic input
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[14:40] <kerio> why not bluetooth to the "final" pi directly then
[14:40] <Shadonovitch> I thought mesh networking would do the trick, a Pi would at startup open an AP on wlan0 and try to connect a defined AP on wlan1 ; on wlan0 broadcast the pulse sink; on wlan1 read for others pulse sink
[14:40] <kerio> 🤔
[14:40] <Shadonovitch> Kerio : This way you could connect many pi's playing the same music
[14:40] <kerio> again, why not just a single ad-hoc wifi network?
[14:41] <Shadonovitch> I'm exploring every solution here, i do not have a definite answer to that, and i don't know yet the differences with wifi ad-hoc
[14:42] <Shadonovitch> In the end, I want a user to use bluetooth with its phone on a pi which is analogic connected to speakers and play to theses speakers and to other similar setups in wifi range
[14:42] <binaryhermit> you'd probably get much better sq from something like a chromecast audio
[14:42] <binaryhermit> and chromecast audios are the same msrp as the pi, and frequently go on sale
[14:43] <binaryhermit> the analog output on the pi is apparently not high quality
[14:43] <kerio> bluetooth a2dp is not high quality either, who cares
[14:43] <Shadonovitch> binaryhermit: Yeah, we heard recently about Chromecast Audio (this is a college project) ; although ChromeCast audio requires an electric alimentation where as our solution would be on batteries
[14:43] <kerio> and besides, you could also use the hdmi audio out on the pi
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[14:44] <kerio> i wonder if the broadcom chip is fast enough to receive a2dp and retransmit the same data over wifi
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[14:45] <kerio> Shadonovitch: for the best results you'd have to avoid transcoding the a2dp audio
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[14:45] <kerio> or you could just use opus i guess
[14:45] <kerio> but just so you know, it's going to sound like ass unless you're REALLY careful about synchronization
[14:45] <ali1234> think about how the bluetooth chip is connected to the pi
[14:45] <kerio> (or the speakers are very far from each other)
[14:46] <kerio> ali1234: is there audio "acceleration"?
[14:46] <kerio> for the purpose of a2dp
[14:46] <ali1234> bluetooth is connected to i2s and serial
[14:47] <mfa298> Shadonovitch: you'll almost certainly do better with all devices on the same wifi network. especially if these speakers are all in audible range of each other.
[14:47] <ali1234> serial isn't fast enough to carry audio
[14:47] <ali1234> i2s carries raw digital audio
[14:47] <mfa298> your rebroadcast idea will probably lead to lag between each set of devices.
[14:47] <ali1234> you can figure out the rest from there
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[14:48] <Shadonovitch> mfa298: I figured that, i'd need a way to make the Pi aware if he's supposed to be a client or an host then
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[14:48] <kerio> how about
[14:49] <kerio> wait, client or host for what
[14:49] <Shadonovitch> let me draw this
[14:49] <kerio> adhoc is just adhoc
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[14:49] <kerio> if you want to do hostap, just have the pi that's receiving the audio act as hostap
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[14:53] <Shadonovitch> There http://imgur.com/a/OdS0y
[14:54] <Shadonovitch> I may find a way to use pulse sinks to move through tcp ip the sound
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[14:56] <Shadonovitch> Now the question is how do I hostAPd the more efficiently ; mesh networking seemed to be the way to get the sound to every board,
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[14:56] <Shadonovitch> Also, if a C++ implementation of this system is necessary
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[15:01] <hitman1> Hi
[15:01] <hitman1> I am getting very poor resolution on my samsung monitor
[15:01] <hitman1> Connected to pi3 via HDMI.
[15:01] <IT_Sean> what resolution is it?
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[15:02] <hitman1> I don't know what it is
[15:03] <hitman1> I don't know from where to check. I am a noob
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[15:17] <hitman1> IT_Sean, what to do?
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[15:21] <svideo> hitman1 first thing i would do is check on your monitor for an information page to see what resolution you're actually running
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[15:24] <hitman1> svideo, 640*480
[15:24] <svideo> does this help? https://weblogs.asp.net/bleroy/getting-your-raspberry-pi-to-output-the-right-resolution
[15:25] <svideo> specifically mentions samsung monitors, and guides you through a process to find supported modes and set them w/ the config.txt
[15:25] <hitman1> Ok
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[15:28] <password2> hi
[15:28] <password2> so , what is the cheapest way to conenct a vga screen to an rpi 2/3?
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[15:29] <petn-randall> password2: Cheapest way is to connect it yourself. Next cheapest is me, I'll do it for $99 + traveling expenses.
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[15:29] <password2> petn-randall: uhm , vga dont plug into hdi
[15:30] <password2> :D
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[15:30] <Chillum> vga to hdmi adapter
[15:30] <Chillum> https://www.amazon.ca/Neewer-HDMI-VGA-Adapter-Converter/dp/B007KFVQXI pretty cheap
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[15:31] <Chillum> they are probably cheaper somewhere else
[15:31] <Chillum> I think more expensive ones have better image quality
[15:31] <password2> eh
[15:31] <Chillum> and I will install it for $98 + travelling expenses
[15:31] <password2> were not running 1080 screens , so meh
[15:31] <Chillum> but I travel 1st class
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[15:33] <IT_Sean> Chillum: You don't insist on a private jet?
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[15:34] <Chillum> IT_Sean: nah, i don't want to appear a snob
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[15:34] <Chillum> I am happy to sit with the other rich folks
[15:35] <Chillum> as long as the curtain to the lesser class area is kept closed
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[15:36] <hitman1> svideo now everything is ok
[15:36] <hitman1> Thank you :)
[15:37] <roger_padactor> hello, I have my ps3 eye mic working(somewhat) I need to trick raspbian to think that the usb mic is the default input jack 1 how can I do that? Should I try #ubuntu or some other channel
[15:37] <IT_Sean> Chillum: If you can't afford to fly me to your location on a private jet, you can't afford my consulting rates.
[15:38] <Chillum> what if I can afford it but choose not to?
[15:38] <IT_Sean> Then you are clearly not worthly of my very valuable time.
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[15:39] <Chillum> it is okay, we have our own Sean in the family, we will get his advice
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[15:46] <hitman1> Can I install any other linux distro on rpi3?
[15:47] <leftyfb> hitman1: there are several you can install, yes
[15:47] <leftyfb> hitman1: raspberrypi.org/downloads lists some of them
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[15:48] <hitman1> Is the procedure to install them is same as I install on regular pc?
[15:49] <hitman1> leftyfb, These are not many they are only 10.
[15:49] <petn-randall> hitman1: There are some differences: You need a distro that supports that CPU architecture, and usually you just bootstrap a micro SD card and then put that into your RPi3, since you can easily boot from a CD or USB stick.
[15:49] <Habbie> hitman1, 10 is not many?
[15:49] <Habbie> hitman1, as for installation, most are the same as raspbian, with a few exceptions
[15:50] <leftyfb> hitman1: the answer to your first question is no. hitman1 to respond to your second comment, as I stated, the link I posted lists SOME of them. Not all of them.
[15:50] <leftyfb> hitman1: what linux distro are you looking to install and why?
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[15:51] <hitman1> BTW can I make a distro for my pi as I like.
[15:51] <Habbie> yes
[15:51] <Habbie> you can
[15:51] <hitman1> I am total noob
[15:51] <Habbie> then maybe you can't yet
[15:51] <hitman1> Is there any documentation available how to start from scratch?
[15:51] <petn-randall> Then that's probably not the best reason to make your own distro ...
[15:52] <oq> hitman1: on the pi the images are already installed unlike on desktops
[15:52] <hitman1> oq, which images?
[15:52] <oq> you just flash the card with your distro, plug it in and you're golden
[15:53] <leftyfb> hitman1: why do you think you need your own custom image if you barely understand how to install it?
[15:53] <oq> hitman1: http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions#Comparison
[15:53] <oq> lots of distros available
[15:53] <hitman1> leftyfb, by practice everything is possible.
[15:54] <ali1234> building an entirely custom image is really difficult
[15:54] <hitman1> And I believe in myself.
[15:54] <leftyfb> hitman1: I didn't say it was possible. I was asking why.
[15:54] <ali1234> i've been working on it for several months now, i'm almost there...
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[15:54] <hitman1> as I have spend much time with linux (arch, ubuntu) and I was thinking to start from scratch
[15:55] <leftyfb> why?
[15:55] <oq> so you're not looking to fork something then
[15:55] <hitman1> no
[15:55] <ali1234> there are lots of ways to do it. some better than others. it also depends what you need
[15:55] <hitman1> I am a noob who needs to start from scratch
[15:55] <svideo> hitman1 glad to hear man :D
[15:55] <petn-randall> The thing is, why make your own distro? Current distros are already pretty flexible. Just setting a new wallpapers and slapping a different logo on it doesn't make a new distro. And behind the scenes you still have to take care of bug tracking, bug fixing, giving support to your userbase, etc.
[15:56] <leftyfb> hitman1: why?
[15:56] <oq> hitman1: writing an os is hard, there is a reason everyone in the world uses the linux kernel
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[15:56] <ali1234> i settled on building a customized image from raspbian packages
[15:56] <hitman1> petn-randall, forget userbase. It's for me
[15:56] <svideo> i wonder how long it'd take to emerge world on an rpi
[15:56] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Pi firmware is closed-source, so you wouldn't be starting from scratch. You need to start by designing and fabricating your own CPU architecture
[15:56] <petn-randall> hitman1: Then you're not making a new distro. Distro is short for "distribution".
[15:56] <svideo> also, i don't think compiling from source is a terrible idea if you have a use case in mind
[15:57] <svideo> but still, seems like a waste of time
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[15:57] <svideo> you're just reinventing wheels that have been pretty well invented by this point
[15:57] <leftyfb> saying you're a "noob" and you need to start from scratch to build your own OS is pretty backward
[15:57] <ali1234> if you want to build everything from source, i recommend buildroot
[15:57] <svideo> i'd personally rather spend time on more interesting and fruitful efforts, but nothing stopping you from going ahead on this
[15:57] <ali1234> you can also try yocto, but it is a lot more complicated (and buildroot is already super complicated)
[15:57] <leftyfb> I also recommend google
[15:58] <ali1234> buildroot does everything using menuconfig, so if you already know how to build a kernel, you will be at home with buildroot
[15:58] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Write your own OS in Rust -> http://os.phil-opp.com/
[15:58] <svideo> seems like a better approach would be to figure on a use case and then use the common tools already available to get your own problem solved
[15:58] <hitman1> Ok leftyfb what should I do now?
[15:59] <hitman1> If I leave the idea of making one?
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[16:00] <leftyfb> hitman1: that's not a question others should answer for you. If you want to spend the time (years) and money building your own OS, then by all means
[16:00] <petn-randall> hitman1: If you have a problem/task you need tackled, start looking at the ways available to you. You don't build a solution and look for a matching problem.
[16:00] <ali1234> i found it was faster to just reuse raspbian. this can create an image as small at about 70MB
[16:01] <hitman1> ok
[16:01] <ali1234> that can be achieved using multistrap, however the documentation for it is not so great
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[16:03] <ali1234> rootfs 349M 78M 272M 23% /
[16:04] <ali1234> that's a super-minimal image... it doesn't even have ifconfig
[16:04] <ali1234> more or less pure systemd too
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[16:07] <Gadgetoid_Pim> There's nothing inherently wrong with doing something like writing an OS for the hell of it :D
[16:08] <BurtyB> ali1234, pure=evil ;)
[16:09] <ali1234> systemd is miles better than the collection of scripts debian uses
[16:09] <h1a1c0k1e1r1> Cannot initiate the connection to mirrordirector.raspbian.org:80 (2a00:1098:0:80:1000:75:0:3). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2a00:1098:0:80:1000:75:0:3 80]
[16:09] <h1a1c0k1e1r1> hmm
[16:09] <h1a1c0k1e1r1> internet seems to work
[16:09] <h1a1c0k1e1r1> at least..my znc is running on it
[16:09] <h1a1c0k1e1r1> :P
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[16:18] <petn-randall> ali1234: You making up stuff? Debian uses systemd by default in jessie.
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[16:19] <ali1234> it only uses part of systemd
[16:19] <ali1234> debian does not use systemd-networkd for example
[16:19] <ali1234> it does not use systemd-timesyncd either
[16:20] <petn-randall> ali1234: You can use all that?
[16:20] <ali1234> sure, if you don't install the default stuff
[16:21] <ali1234> networkd and timesyncd are installed by default with systemd, they just aren't used
[16:21] <petn-randall> ali1234: You were also clearly referring to the init system, not the tools written around it "16:09 < ali1234 > systemd is miles better than the collection of scripts debian uses"
[16:21] <ali1234> do you know what debian uses instead of networkd?
[16:21] <ali1234> ... it uses a pile of scripts
[16:21] <petn-randall> ali1234: Yeah, because they're far less mature than network-manager and ntpd.
[16:21] <ali1234> debian does not use network manager by default
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[16:22] <petn-randall> ali1234: If you install a DE it does.
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[16:22] <ali1234> it uses ifupdown
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[16:22] <petn-randall> ali1234: "default" is also a stupid concept in this context because "default" would only apply to the two dozen essential packages.
[16:22] <ali1234> even if oyu install network manager, it still uses ifupdown
[16:23] <petn-randall> I don't think you know what you're talking about.
[16:23] <ali1234> funny, i was just thinking the same thing
[16:24] <petn-randall> If you have an interface configured in /etc/network/interfaces (so ifupdown), network-manager will *of course* not touch that interface. It's the only sane thing. If you want to use network-manager, don't configure it with ifupdown.
[16:24] <ali1234> ifupdown is priority: important, you'll always get it unless you go out of your way not to
[16:25] <ali1234> and, installing only essential packages won't result ina bootable system
[16:25] <ali1234> you need at least priority: required for that
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[16:28] <petn-randall> We've drifted off from the original question, and I think I've responded to that accordingly.
[16:29] <ali1234> what was the question?
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[16:30] <petn-randall> If Debian uses systemd as init system.
[16:31] <ali1234> it does, unless you choose to install something else
[16:31] <ali1234> PID 0 doesn't do very much though
[16:32] <petn-randall> You mean PID 1?
[16:32] <ali1234> yeah my bad
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[16:33] <petn-randall> There are two fundamental problems in programming: 1) naming variables 2) cache invalidation 3) off-by-one errors
[16:33] <petn-randall> ;)
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[16:40] <gordonDrogon> that's as bad as the 10 types of people thing.
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[16:47] <petn-randall> gordonDrogon: It's all about the right timing.
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[16:50] <Kriss3d> Do anyone know what could i could be doing wrong with fstab automounting an usb harddrive ? its ntfs formatted. But no matter what i cant get it to mount unless i type in the mount command myself
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[16:54] <teclo-> Kriss3d: you should look at the log files
[16:54] <teclo-> might show you why automounting fails
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[17:23] <plum> does the Raspberry Pi camera work for the Pi Zero?
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[17:25] <IT_Sean> Does it have a CSI connector on it?
[17:26] <plum> i don't know that terminology D: pardon my lack of knowledge
[17:28] <plum> the page i'm looking at for the camera module v2 says all pi versions for 1, 2, and 3, but doesn't mention the zero or zero w
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[17:29] <IT_Sean> Looking at hte website, I see a CSI connector on both the Zero and Zero W
[17:29] <plum> is that the white/tan one at the end?
[17:29] <plum> my bad
[17:29] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[17:29] <plum> sweeeeeet
[17:29] <oq> there is a csi on the pi zero 1.3 but not 1.2
[17:29] <IT_Sean> That's the connector for the official Camera module.
[17:30] <plum> oooh okay
[17:30] <IT_Sean> thanks oq! plum, did you see oq's comment?
[17:30] <plum> yeah, i had thought i'd heard some pi zeros were incompatible for some reason...
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[17:30] <oq> not like you'd be able to get a 1.2 now though
[17:30] <plum> but that makes sense to have the 1.3 and newer working with it
[17:30] <plum> true that
[17:30] <plum> thanks oq and IT_Sean !
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[17:30] <IT_Sean> Glad to!
[17:31] <ali1234> plum: you need a special cable because the connector is different
[17:31] <oq> IT_Sean: so do you not own a pi0 then?
[17:31] <IT_Sean> I do not.
[17:31] <ali1234> that cable is included with the official zero case, you can also get longer one
[17:31] <oq> wow
[17:31] <IT_Sean> I might pick one up, but, currently, I do not own a Zero.
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[17:32] <plum> ali1234: even with zero v1.3?
[17:32] <ali1234> yes
[17:32] <oq> plum: yes, because the csi connector is a much smaller variant than on the regular pi's
[17:32] <plum> ohhhh dang
[17:32] <plum> i see
[17:32] <IT_Sean> Is it?
[17:32] <plum> i do have one i think, came with the official zero case like you said
[17:32] <oq> plum: you would need something like this, https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/camera-cable-raspberry-pi-zero-edition
[17:32] <IT_Sean> Hard to see that in the photos.
[17:33] <plum> cool! i think i'll go for it then
[17:33] <plum> thanks you guys :D
[17:33] <IT_Sean> Pick one up for me too while you are at it.
[17:33] <plum> hahaha on it! :P
[17:33] <IT_Sean> WOO! :p
[17:34] <plum> so my next thing i'm unsure of is whether the NoIR version of the camera module still takes good pics in daylight
[17:34] <oq> plum: everything will be pink
[17:34] <IT_Sean> that ^
[17:34] <plum> ohhhhh
[17:34] <plum> sad day :(
[17:34] <oq> but it comes with a blue filter
[17:34] <IT_Sean> It'll work, but it'll look like a butt.
[17:34] <plum> but thank you for that info too!
[17:34] <plum> i will go for daylight
[17:34] <oq> so the pink goes away and becomes white
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[17:34] <shauno> the official case for the zero is brilliant. it's 80 pence more than the camera cable, and includes a (much shorter) camera cable
[17:35] <plum> i love the zero official case
[17:35] <oq> yeah I have one, I wish the back wasn't open though
[17:35] <shauno> (the shorter cable makes more sense because one of the lids for the case has mounting tabs for the camera)
[17:35] <plum> i ordered the Western digital Node Zero pack on Pi Day
[17:36] <plum> https://www.wdc.com/products/wdlabs/wd-pidrive-node-zero.html
[17:36] <plum> going to turn it into a motion sensing camera
[17:36] <plum> or maybe just record all day and alert on motion
[17:36] <shauno> aye, options for the back would be the icing on the cake - a closed back with an eye for wallmounting would be nifty. but as it stands, it's much better than I was expecting
[17:37] <shauno> sad bit is, I'm more excited about the case than the zero-W
[17:37] <oq> I currently use a zeroview case for my camera pi0 because it has suction cups
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[17:40] <oq> plum: yeah, something like that is pretty easy to setup with an.. aptly named program called motion
[17:40] <plum> i've heard of it! excited to set it up :)
[17:41] <oq> I believe there is also a special distro too
[17:41] <oq> motionpie or something
[17:41] <plum> interesting
[17:41] <plum> i will need to look into that too :o
[17:41] <oq> oh its called motioneyeos now
[17:42] <plum> not sure if i'd want an entire distro for this though, i do enjoy keeping my distro secure
[17:42] <oq> sure
[17:43] <oq> for some people it's more convenient, like it has a web ui pre-setup and everything
[17:43] <plum> that's pretty neat and tempting
[17:43] <plum> i wonder if it's possible to plug in both a daylight and a NoIR camera module to one pi zero?
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[17:44] <oq> it's not
[17:44] <oq> but you could run two pi zeros
[17:44] <plum> ahhh sad day
[17:44] <oq> they are small and cheap enough
[17:44] <plum> true, i'm just not sure how difficult it would be to connect them both to the same hard drive in the Node Zero bundle
[17:45] <oq> plum: I would have one host the hdd as a network share and the other can write straight to it
[17:47] <plum> makes sense, i might try for that setup
[17:47] <plum> :D
[17:48] <plum> first step gotta get the daylight one working
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[18:14] <plum> ordered! i'm excited for this
[18:15] <roger_padactor> plum what you making?
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[18:16] <roger_padactor> I'm building a thing that takes pictures of my gaming room when the noise level goes above the average room noise by a %. using ps3 eye (which is turning into an pain in the ass getting mic to work)
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[18:17] <plum> oh sweet! i got one of those sitting around, why didn't i just use that instead of the camera module?? ugh
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[18:17] <plum> hahaha
[18:17] <brainzap> hey raspberry hackers
[18:17] <plum> i want to roll my own surveillance system
[18:17] <plum> i have a cloud-based one set up, but i want this for a backup one and so i have better control over it
[18:18] <roger_padactor> plum https://home-assistant.io/
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[18:18] <plum> interesting!
[18:19] <plum> i think this would be the first device though
[18:19] <plum> my camera i use already isn't an ip camera, it has its own proprietary app
[18:19] <brainzap> too bad it is all python
[18:20] <plum> i like python, you can do a lot with it
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[18:23] <roger_padactor> you can use ps3 eye
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[18:26] <plum> i just ordered the camera module v2 though, lol
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[18:26] <plum> gonna probs stick with it, it's 1080p and 8 megapixel
[18:27] <plum> i have sound recording built in to the other device, and this one will be monitoring from behind a glass window
[18:27] <plum> hopefully it won't get too hot... hmmm
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[18:32] <jrun> is there a way to boot 1st gen pi from network:
[18:32] <jrun> ?
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[18:35] <leftyfb> jrun: with no sd card, no. I think there's ways with modifying what is on the sd card to boot the kernel and os from the network though
[18:35] <leftyfb> or maybe just the os. I think the kernel needs to be on the sd card
[18:35] <leftyfb> not sure though, haven't played with it
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[18:39] <jrun> it's the question bootloader i guess. dhcp et al
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[18:42] <Pennth> Can anyone recommend (having used) an hdmi pico projector for the Pi?
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[18:43] <Pennth> I just want something I can use when I don't have a monitor/tv option, easy to throw in a backpack
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> phone/tablet/phablet running VNC?
[18:44] <Pennth> that won't help me during setup
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> possibly not...
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[18:45] <Pennth> Mostly I want a cheap portable display and then plan to leave them running headless
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> there is the Foundation 7" display and Adafrout 5" hdmi display - I've used both.
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> also a Motorola Atrix "lapdock" - I have one of those too - screen + keyboard & battery.
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> not sure if you can still get them though.
[18:46] <Pennth> Yeah, I looked for one f those a while back :)
[18:46] <brainzap> and Waveshare
[18:47] <Pennth> I like the adafruit screen but then I'd have to get a case for it.
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[18:47] <Pennth> that's why I'm thinking about a projector
[18:47] <brainzap> or a cheap china clone heh
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[18:49] <Chillum> I use nextion displays for status ouputs
[18:49] <Chillum> you have to pre-make your GUI but you can display all the info you need with graphs and gauges even
[18:50] <Chillum> and touch screen interface
[18:50] <Chillum> I like how it does all the grunt work for you so even an attiny can run them
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[18:59] <Pennth> Ok, looks like I'll just play Amazon roulette with the projector and see how it goes :)
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[19:10] <Atm0spher1c> hello, anyone familiar with noobs? It used to ask if the user wants to install an OS along side a current one.
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[19:11] <Atm0spher1c> Now it only seems to overwrite them. Is it possible to change this?
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[19:18] <Atm0spher1c> I just found pinn, I'll just try that. Might fix the problem
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[22:58] <NineChickens> so TIL that you can power a Pi 3 via the GPIO
[22:59] <dysoco> that's good because I just realized I lost the power supply
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[23:01] <NineChickens> This was with a Pibrella attached
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> you are recommended to put some protection on it though - and there is a published recommended circuit, however ...
[23:02] <NineChickens> and yes, there was a microUSB involved
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> yea, the pibrella has a polyfuse - not sure it would be big enough for a v3 going flat out though...
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> I've powered Pi's directly off 7809's in the past...
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> (well, smps equivalent)
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[23:04] <NineChickens> re: the protection circuit, I was considering using a battery with one of those voltage boosters to USB
[23:05] <NineChickens> would I still need the circuit for that?
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[23:09] <dysoco> I have phone chargers I just lost the 2A one
[23:09] <dysoco> which I guess is the suggested one, or at least the most powerful one I got
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[23:11] * ShorTie like 5.25v @ 3amp supplies
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[23:12] <dysoco> I haven't used my raspi in like 4 months I want to do something but not sure what
[23:12] <dysoco> last time I used it was for a Pokemon Go scanner I wrote, but that doesn't work anymore so...
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[23:17] <NineChickens> eh, i can fix that code tomorrow
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[23:23] <caesor> hi, i've installed a bare raspbian on my sdcard, then i try to simply "ssh pi@192..." but get a connection refused on port 22, something changed in the last raspbian img?
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[23:24] <ShorTie> ya, you need a /boot/ssh file
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[23:28] <Chillum> got my Pi Zero W today
[23:28] <Chillum> very nice use of board space
[23:29] <sir_galahad_ad> grats
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[23:29] <Chillum> it looks like there is a mounting point for an antenna connector and a jumper resistor to switch between that and the on-board one
[23:29] <Chillum> that way they can pass fcc with a small antenna and still let creative folk upgrade it
[23:30] <Chillum> yup: http://hackaday.com/2017/03/07/adding-an-external-antenna-to-the-raspberry-pi-zero-w/
[23:31] <Chillum> already being done
[23:31] <sir_galahad_ad> Chillum: wait does the pi Zero W have wifi?
[23:31] <Chillum> yes, that is what the W stands for
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[23:32] <sir_galahad_ad> is it still $5?
[23:32] <Chillum> $8
[23:32] <sir_galahad_ad> not bad.
[23:32] <Chillum> much more impressed with the wifi on the pi zero than on the pi 3
[23:32] <Chillum> the pi zero really needed it
[23:32] <sir_galahad_ad> i needed something
[23:32] <sir_galahad_ad> *it
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[23:34] <Chillum> I have used these cheap ftdi boards: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/141976901783 you just put it in 3.3V mode, then attach 5V, GND, TX, and RX
[23:34] <Chillum> and it both powers it and gives you a serial connection
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[23:40] <humbot> such a lifesaver
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[23:44] <caesor> ShorTie: re sorry got disconnected, what is a /boot/ssh? why did they remove the ability to ssh by default?
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[23:51] <caesor> ShorTie: nevermind I found the solution and why this has been changed.
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[23:51] <mfa298> caesor: ssh was disabled by default on raspbian a while ago (november I think)
[23:51] <mfa298> there was a blog about it at hte time
[23:52] <caesor> yep, just read it
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