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IRC Log for 2017-03-17

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[0:02] <fishbowlkraken> I like using Ubuntu, and the MATE environment, over Raspbian and their slightly modified LXDE they've taken to calling "Pixel" for some reason now, and I was just wondering if anyone had experience getting this sort of thing working.
[0:02] <fishbowlkraken> oops
[0:03] <fishbowlkraken> sorry, copied only the last half of the thing I asked elsewhere
[0:04] <fishbowlkraken> hello! Quick question, does anyone have a good resource on getting the PiTFT to work with the Ubuntu Pi edition for the 3B? A quick google hasn't yielded much information. I like using Ubuntu, and the MATE environment, over Raspbian and their slightly modified LXDE they've taken to calling "Pixel" for some reason now, and I was just wondering if anyone had experience getting this sort of thing working.
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[0:04] <fishbowlkraken> I asked in #ubuntu-mate and got no response, so I figured I'd just copy the question here
[0:05] <ChewGUN> yay my first PI is setup :-D now i only need to configure it that i can connect always from outside of home <3 lovely
[0:05] <fishbowlkraken> I tried installing the Adafruit repo and just installing the PiTFT tools, but it bricked the thing and I had to reflash the SD
[0:06] <hmoney> http://www.waveshare.com/wiki/3.5inch_RPi_LCD_(A)
[0:06] <hmoney> i'd try that fishbowl
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[0:11] <fishbowlkraken> oh, that's for a different LCD module. The old PiTFT may have worked with that, but the new one's a capacitive touchscreen, and driven somewhat differently, IIRC.
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[0:13] <fishbowlkraken> thanks though! If I'd had the previous gen TFT that'd probably be all I'd need.
[0:13] <hmoney> im using a 3.5 kuman tft and it works like a champ :/
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[0:15] <fishbowlkraken> awesome, resistive touch is really good for smaller screens like this, since you can be more precise to the individual pixel, but I already have a PiTFT, haha
[0:15] <fishbowlkraken> so I'm looking how to make that one work
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[0:28] <fishbowlkraken> anybody? The PiTFT isn't exactly an uncommon piece of hardware, and I'd thought Ubuntu MATE was pretty popular as an OS, so I can't imagine I'm the first person to ever try and combine them.
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[0:54] <plm> "Combined 3.5mm audio jack and composite video" -> that is a input for audio? I would like to to a speech recognition.
[0:55] <fishbowlkraken> I think you'd be better off with a USB DAC with mic input
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[0:56] <fishbowlkraken> I don't think the combo port works as mic input on the Pi at all, though
[0:56] <plm> fishbowlkraken: but that audio input in the pi3 not works?
[0:57] <fishbowlkraken> that's what I'm saying, I don't think it does.
[0:57] <w9qbj> fishbowlkraken, never tried it , but my understanding is that audio input is USB
[0:57] <fishbowlkraken> Right, audio input should work via USB
[0:57] <plm> anyone know why the audio input of pi3 not works? Or, works?
[0:58] <fishbowlkraken> I thought you were asking if the 3.5mm jack acted like a phone one and did both audio input and output
[0:58] <fishbowlkraken> which I don't think it does.
[0:58] <w9qbj> probvably not designed for input
[0:58] <plm> w9qbj: no matter if audio input of pi3 are using usb, but if works
[0:58] <fishbowlkraken> If you got a USB Mic or a USB DAC that allowed input it should work, long as the item is supported by generic open source drivers
[0:59] <plm> all right. I understand that I can to plug a usb audio, but why pi3 has a audio input if it not works?
[0:59] <w9qbj> I only know that is the way to ask amazon's ALEXa questions
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[1:00] <fishbowlkraken> It supports audio in through USB.
[1:00] <fishbowlkraken> the 3.5mm jack isn't an audio in.
[1:00] <fishbowlkraken> the hardware isn't there, AFAIK.
[1:02] <plm> fishbowlkraken: why is the porpose of that 3.5mm jack?
[1:03] <plm> s why/what
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[1:05] <w9qbj> plm, it's for Audio OUT!
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[1:07] <plm> w9qbj: ohh ok
[1:07] <fishbowlkraken> did someone explain the 3.5mm jack thing yet?
[1:07] <w9qbj> plm, I use it to feed the stereo - music with omxplayer and stiff from the iPhone using shairpad. it may not be great audio quality, but my ears don't know the diffrence
[1:07] <fishbowlkraken> my pi overheated and died
[1:08] <w9qbj> fishbowlkraken, yes
[1:08] <fishbowlkraken> okay cool
[1:08] <w9qbj> fishbowlkraken, too bad about your pi getting hot under the colar
[1:08] <fishbowlkraken> the random brass nut from my shop I had lying around turned out to not be the greatest heatsink, haha
[1:09] <plm> w9qbj: So I can to plug my sound box on that 3.5mm jack and play a music mp3 on pi3 and will hear the music?
[1:10] <w9qbj> I've got mine pi in the thing that WD includes wiht a Pi-Drive gets warm running 4 instances of boinc - SETI-at Home
[1:10] <w9qbj> plm, yes, that' shwat I do.
[1:10] <crash_> 3.5mm should work fine maybe you need to change the output in pavucontrol
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[1:11] <w9qbj> I change mine in alsamixer, whatever works for you. It's a Pi - experiment
[1:11] <plm> w9qbj: all right
[1:11] <plm> another question: is possible to power pi3 just from a power banck battery, via USB?
[1:11] <fishbowlkraken> yup!
[1:11] <fishbowlkraken> It needs to be able to output a decent amount of juice though
[1:12] <fishbowlkraken> at least 2.1-3 amps
[1:12] <plm> fishbowlkraken: Can I use any usb port on pi3 to power?
[1:12] <fishbowlkraken> to power other stuff?
[1:12] <fishbowlkraken> You could, but you probably don't want any more power going through it than you need
[1:12] <plm> power bank ---> USB_of_pi3
[1:12] <fishbowlkraken> it's not a powerful machine
[1:12] <fishbowlkraken> to the microUSB, yeah
[1:13] <fishbowlkraken> just make sure it says it outputs 2.1 A or above on the back
[1:13] <plm> fishbowlkraken: ahh, I need to power pi3 just on microusb, not the others USB ports?
[1:13] <fishbowlkraken> right, you just plug in the cable to the MicroUSB port on the Pi, and it should work
[1:13] <w9qbj> Not much, I ran a WD Pi-Drive with no problems, but when adding a second driive it died. YES power on the micro port
[1:13] <crash_> w9qbj: are your pi 2/3 running seti well?
[1:14] <w9qbj> Using the Pi-3b
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[1:14] <w9qbj> The pi2 is slow and single core the 3B is quad.
[1:14] <w9qbj> And much faster.
[1:14] <plm> DC 5V / 2.4A
[1:15] <fishbowlkraken> that should be good
[1:15] <plm> fishbowlkraken: w9qbj https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b/ dont talk about micro-usb on the specification
[1:15] <fishbowlkraken> The input port on the Pi is a micro USB port
[1:15] <w9qbj> micro USB is the power in. nothing else
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[1:16] <fishbowlkraken> Right
[1:16] <fishbowlkraken> that's what I thought you were asking.
[1:16] <plm> but why is not in the specification?
[1:16] <fishbowlkraken> I don't know, I guess it's just a given?
[1:16] <plm> in the pi zero w https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/pi-zero-w/ talk about "Micro USB power"
[1:16] <plm> but not in the pi3 specification
[1:16] <fishbowlkraken> Okay?
[1:17] <fishbowlkraken> Well, it's a MicroUSB port
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[1:17] <plm> all right, it is just for power in the pi3 toom right?
[1:17] <plm> *too
[1:17] <fishbowlkraken> Right, it's just the power plug
[1:17] <fishbowlkraken> like on a phone
[1:17] <plm> thank you
[1:17] <fishbowlkraken> no prob, dunno why they woouldn't list it
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[1:18] <plm> fishbowlkraken: my intention is to plug pi3 always powered via microusb from power bank
[1:18] <fishbowlkraken> right
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[1:18] <w9qbj> The photo plainly says PWR IN
[1:18] <plm> and the power banck plugued on the energy network
[1:18] <plm> are there any problema with that?
[1:18] <fishbowlkraken> that should work, make sure your bank supports what's called "passthrough" charging
[1:18] <fishbowlkraken> where it won't turn off if plugged in
[1:18] <fishbowlkraken> some of them do that, and it can be annoying
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[1:19] <plm> hmm.. "passthrough" charging. I will find for that when I will buy a powerbank :)
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[1:20] <fishbowlkraken> it can be tough to find one with it, power bank specifications are never very well listed
[1:20] <plm> hmm
[1:21] <plm> fishbowlkraken: Bu you say, is difficult to find one manual with that listed, or is difficult a powerback that support the "passthrough" charging?
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[1:21] <fishbowlkraken> it's a pretty common feature
[1:21] <fishbowlkraken> but it's not something every one of them lists that it can do
[1:21] <fishbowlkraken> the best way to find out is usually to look at reviews
[1:22] <plm> fishbowlkraken: like as in youtoobe reviews?
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[1:22] <plm> *youtube
[1:22] <plm> I trying to find poweback with that feature on google and nothing :(
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[1:22] <fishbowlkraken> Yeah, or on the product webpage
[1:23] <fishbowlkraken> if you're in the USA, I know of one I like
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[1:23] <plm> TP-LINK POWER BANK TL-PB15600 02-USB 15600MAH SMART CARREG
[1:23] <fishbowlkraken> it might be available elsewhere, but I bought one here
[1:23] <plm> fishbowlkraken: please, give me the url/link
[1:23] <plm> fishbowlkraken: http://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-5524_TL-PB10400.html#specifications
[1:23] <fishbowlkraken> sure, lemme check my orders, I bought it a while ago
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[1:24] <plm> that specs dont talk about passthrough charging
[1:25] <fishbowlkraken> I know it goes by other names, but all it means is that it can charge things while it's being charged
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[1:26] <plm> fishbowlkraken: well, if this is a common feature in the powerbanks, so mostly support that "passthrough" charging
[1:27] <w9qbj> I use a 4-output Anker ona small UPS
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[1:28] <w9qbj> that UPS also supports the rest of the network
[1:28] <fishbowlkraken> it is pretty common, but I've had some that didn't support it, so I wanted to mention it
[1:28] <plm> w9qbj: https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerCore-Lipstick-Sized-Generation-Batteries/dp/B005NF5NTK ?
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[1:30] <fishbowlkraken> hold on, digging up the order for the one I liked
[1:30] <w9qbj> no something more like https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Charger-PowerPort-Multi-Port-Samsung/dp/B00VH8ZW02/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1489710542&sr=8-11&keywords=anker
[1:31] <fishbowlkraken> I used this thing for everything while I had it
[1:31] <fishbowlkraken> buuut my bag got stolen
[1:31] <w9qbj> And it's a 5 port. I have two pi's on it now
[1:31] <plm> w9qbj: ohh, but that is not a powerbank
[1:31] <fishbowlkraken> aha!
[1:31] <fishbowlkraken> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014DPXAV8/
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[1:32] <plm> fishbowlkraken: B014DPXAV8 support "passthrough" charging?
[1:32] <fishbowlkraken> I know that one does
[1:32] <fishbowlkraken> I actually used it as the battery for a Pi2 based tablet last year
[1:32] <w9qbj> no, but I put it on a UPS to keep it alive. for portable use I'd use something I got at staples, about 20,000mah - 2USB and 1uUSB
[1:33] <fishbowlkraken> it worked really well
[1:33] <fishbowlkraken> it even has a screen that gives the exact percentage and shows how much power it's putting out
[1:33] <w9qbj> yeah something like that
[1:33] <plm> well, I think are there a simple way to test in real world: you plug the pi3 on powerbanck and power banck connected on the energy network. If power bank not will be hot means that the "passthrough" charging works. that is correct?
[1:34] <plm> *there are
[1:35] <w9qbj> the phone calls - gotta go.
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[1:39] <plm> fishbowlkraken: that test ^ is correct?
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[1:41] <fishbowlkraken> the easiest test is to just plug a device into the power bank
[1:41] <fishbowlkraken> and then plug the bank into the wall
[1:42] <fishbowlkraken> if the bank shuts off, it doesn't work
[1:42] <fishbowlkraken> if it stays on, it supports it
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[2:12] <fishbowlkraken> welp, now a bit of time has passed, I'll try with new people
[2:12] <fishbowlkraken> anyone have experience getting the PiTFT+ to run with Ubuntu?
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[2:53] <redrabbit> how can i activate /lib/udev/write_net_rules
[2:53] <redrabbit> it generates /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[2:53] <redrabbit> its activated by default on debian
[2:53] <redrabbit> unfortunately its not on raspbian
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[3:34] <HeXiLeD> +:/j #eggdrop
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[3:35] <HeXiLeD> sorry
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[3:55] <ohnx> how can i format a usb via terminal?>
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[4:02] <ohnx> oh never mind, figured it out
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[4:43] <ball> This evening I am sad.
[4:43] <ball> I work with probably three people who know what a Raspberry Pi is and yesterday one of those people left the company.
[4:45] <ball> ...and then there were two.
[4:46] <ball> Oh well.
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[4:48] <ball> Hello GreeningGalaxy
[4:48] <GreeningGalaxy> hi ball
[4:49] <GreeningGalaxy> what are you up to this fine $TIME_OF_DAY?
[4:50] <ball> Suddenly remembering a mug of coffee I brewed and then forgot about ...twice.
[4:51] <GreeningGalaxy> heh
[4:51] <GreeningGalaxy> that reminds me, I need to put some on before I go to bed for tomorrow
[4:54] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm also figuring out what AVR microcontroller I'm going to order and learn to program
[4:54] <ball> I've wondered about that myself.
[4:54] <ball> I hear the Arduino is popular and that it may be possible to do C or AVR assembly one on.
[4:55] <ball> ...not sure what tools are required for that though.
[4:55] <GreeningGalaxy> I think you need some kind of serial converter to program it. I might already have one, the one I've been using for the RPi serial console.
[4:56] <ball> Some of the boards have them built in, or it's supposedly simple to build.
[4:56] <GreeningGalaxy> I just want to learn how to program some tiny cheap SOIC that I can glue to an nRF24L01+ and use for shenanigans.
[4:56] <ball> ...if you use a serial convertor, be aware of 5V Vs. 3V3 AVRs.
[4:57] <ball> I think I was told that the Raspberry Pi serial port was 3V3 and an AVR programmer port might be 5V
[4:57] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm oggling the ATTINY20, it's 1.8-5.5V. Basically doesn't care.
[4:57] <ball> Not caring is probably a survival trait.
[4:57] <GreeningGalaxy> RPi serial port is 3.3V, Arduinos exist that run at either, I think most ATTINYs are don't-care
[4:57] <GreeningGalaxy> heh
[5:00] <GreeningGalaxy> voltage flexibility is evolutionarily selected for. chips with narrow voltage requirements are killed off by predators and don't survive to reproduce.
[5:00] <ball> See?!!1!
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[5:04] <hmoney> #chiplivesmatter
[5:06] * ball would like to try some tinyAVRs.
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[5:08] <ball> I have to go, anyway.
[5:08] <GreeningGalaxy> o/
[5:08] <ball> Bye!\
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[6:08] <DFrostedWang> o/
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[7:50] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[7:50] <ShapeShifter499> is there a way to use the raspberry pi zero GPIO pins as a jtag?
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[7:58] <Crom> is a zerow worth it?
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[8:18] <NedScott> Crom: depends entirely on the use case
[8:19] <NedScott> for example, I would never use a Zero W as a laxative
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[8:19] <NedScott> well, never say never
[8:20] <Crom> I have 4 1.2s 2 1.3s... I have wifi on all of them... though with the zerow, I could reduce my cubic space use by at least 1/2
[8:20] <Crom> I haven't played with BTLE yet on the 3
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[8:21] <Crom> the CSR BT adapters are crap... so I haven't been using them
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[8:22] <Crom> I have a CF-WU725B comfast wifi bt that I havent gotten to work grrrr
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[8:24] <Crom> which is a 0bda:b720 usb... only problem there is 2 chiopsets using that number
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[8:28] <Crom> and using the 3 as a print server for a windows machine is a night mare...
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[8:48] <Crom> great... The 3 just roached it's file system
[8:48] <Crom> kernel panic
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[8:50] <Capo_di_capo> hey guys i have an infrared break beam setup; im using these leds -> https://www.adafruit.com/product/2168
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[8:50] <Capo_di_capo> any tips in increasing the range ?
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[9:48] <password2> _W_ true
[9:49] <password2> but i never took python as being exceptionally secure
[9:49] <password2> i found a website that claimed that , and i want to know if it is true
[9:49] <password2> because i cant just go around and believe everything that is stated on the internet
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[9:50] * Armand changes password2's password
[9:50] <Armand> can haz moar secure naw ?
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[9:51] <password4> :D
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[9:56] <Armand> Wouldn't "password256" be better ?
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[9:57] <password4> i would become too powerful
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[10:03] * mfa298 changes password4's password to hunter2
[10:04] <mfa298> password4: as for python it's more about the person writing code in a language, You can write bad code in C or good code in Python, that doesn't mean python/C/anything else is secure/unsecure
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[10:05] <password4> mfa298: so would you asy for me , having developed for 2 years using php and none in python , php is better for me :D
[10:06] <mfa298> depends on what you're doing.
[10:07] <mfa298> for a web app, and if you know how to write good code in php then it might be a better choice
[10:07] <mfa298> although if you're still using the mysql_ functions in php then you might do better finding a better language
[10:08] <mfa298> php and a lot of tutorials/examples encourage a lot of bad habits in people.
[10:08] <Capo_di_capo> im using these infrared break beam sensons anybody got tips on increasing the range ? https://www.adafruit.com/product/2168
[10:08] <Capo_di_capo> sensors ^^
[10:10] <password4> mfa298: web api to expose database , because my supreme leaders thinks he knows development
[10:10] <password4> so the webserver dont have its own db running
[10:11] <mfa298> you may also want to look at python+flask/django (note, flask not flash) or ruby+sinatra/rails or some of the other options out there.
[10:11] <password4> i dont want to use anything else than php
[10:12] <mfa298> I've found ruby+sinatra a much more pleasant experience than php
[10:12] <password4> ruby on fails , thats what my lecturer used to say
[10:12] <password4> :P
[10:12] <DarkJarris> PHP is like the english of scripting languages
[10:12] <password4> but tbh i have never touched ruby
[10:12] <DarkJarris> "language rules? what are they?"
[10:13] <mfa298> there's plenty of large sites out there on ruby+rails or python+django, chances are several of the sites you use regularly use one of them
[10:13] <password4> i code in lua often , now that is a bad language
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[10:14] <mfa298> the point earlier about the mysql_ functions in php is that they're horribly bad, and there's been better optinos (mysqli_, pdo) for over a decade yet still everyone uses mysql_
[10:15] <mfa298> although I think the mysql_ stuff has finally been removed in php7 (several versions later than they should have been)
[10:15] <password4> i always use pdos
[10:17] <Armand> "PHP is like the english of scripting languages" == Actually sane and sensible?
[10:17] <password4> Armand: * ===
[10:17] * Armand runs!!!!
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[10:18] <brainzap> Hello, is there someone here that is good with computers?
[10:18] <password4> omw
[10:19] <password4> i am an idiot
[10:19] <password4> please disregard this whole discussion
[10:19] <brainzap> it will be archived forever under your real name
[10:19] <password4> now i am sad
[10:19] <password4> i got banned in ##programming
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[10:21] <password4> :(
[10:21] <password4> anyway , sorry to derail and be largey offtopic?
[10:22] <Armand> brainzap: Depends on your context, bruv..
[10:22] <Armand> password4: *bigly ?
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[10:24] <password4> largely , lol , near enough
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[10:29] <password4> heh , we actually measured a block of code running on our rpi2 here and surprisingly it managed to run in a 0-2us
[10:29] <password4> all it did was update a UI with new values though
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[10:33] <balor> Passing "net.ifnames=1" in cmdline.txt on the latest Rasbian doesn't seem to change the network interface names from eg: `wlan0` to `wlp2s0`. Is the newer naming scheme simply unsupported on ARM?
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[12:30] <balor> The onboard wifi on the Pi3 is on the mmc bus. Does this imply that we can't use udev to watch for events (such as 'add')? I can't see support for mmc busses in udev.
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[13:12] <louisdk> I about to make a project where I attach a horn to a Pi2. So far I've found to guides both of wich use 12V air horn. Wouldn't it be simpler to attach a 5V horn instead?
[13:12] <HrdwrBoB> ...
[13:13] <HrdwrBoB> a) no, because you need a relay anyway
[13:13] <oq> louisdk: I'd imagine they're 12v because they're meant for cars?
[13:13] <HrdwrBoB> b) where are you going to get this 5V horn
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[13:17] <roger_padactor> Well, I did it. PS3 eye resolution and quality is absolute garbage but, I built a thing that when the average room audio spikes it takes a picture, which are shown as a screensaver on a nearby TV.
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[13:18] <mfa298> if you were thinking to have it directly connected to the controllable gpio it would also need to be 3v3 and low current (so not much good as a horn)
[13:18] <HrdwrBoB> roger_padactor: cool
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[13:39] <j4ckcom> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/Dd9qSge1DNktXjUNvH8u/ <— Armand i made this code, but i don’t know it is good or not
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[13:40] <Armand> I wouldn't know... lol
[13:40] <j4ckcom> lol you can’t do coding?
[13:40] <Armand> Most I ever do is copy&paste bash scripting and make a few tweaks,.
[13:40] <j4ckcom> coding is basic at this time
[13:40] <j4ckcom> you are barbarian
[13:41] <Armand> It's not something I care for.. I'm a technician.
[13:41] <Armand> Happier with a screwdriver and spanners. :P
[13:41] <j4ckcom> 🐸
[13:41] <j4ckcom> and showel
[13:42] <j4ckcom> shovel
[13:42] <Armand> I used to do gardening work, a few years ago.
[13:42] <j4ckcom> you are more happy with shovel
[13:42] <Armand> I'd be happier with that, over coding. lol
[13:42] <j4ckcom> lol
[13:42] <j4ckcom> this is raspberry channel
[13:42] <j4ckcom> instead of other lol
[13:43] <j4ckcom> i think that this is #hardware channel
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[13:47] <Sonny_Jim> j4ckcom: Line 6 and 7 can be combined with the 'and' keyword
[13:48] <Armand> Well, my rPi project morphed into a solar/powerwall project.. lol
[13:48] <Sonny_Jim> In fact most of them can be combined
[13:49] <j4ckcom> ok thanks but my deskptop is short width of monitor
[13:49] <Sonny_Jim> There's ways of doing multilines in python
[13:49] <Sonny_Jim> Also, the variable num could be slightly more descriptive
[13:51] <Sonny_Jim> Like call it middle or half_len or something like that
[13:52] <Sonny_Jim> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4172448/is-it-possible-to-break-a-long-line-to-multiple-lines-in-python
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[14:57] <ShanShen> Hey, how is the RPi 3 at displaying websites? Do you have to wait for a while before Facebook or other graphics-heavy sites come up?
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[14:58] <lopta> ShanShen: That may depend a lot on the speed of your microSDHC card.
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[14:58] <lopta> ^- this is a guess.
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[15:00] <ShanShen> Oh! Cool!
[15:00] <ShanShen> I vaguely remember that there are different classes of SD cards. Is that pertinent?
[15:01] <lopta> Very.
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[15:02] <lopta> I could be wrong but I /think/ you want a Class 10 card for a Raspberry Pi 3.
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[15:04] <lopta> I'm not sure how fast the slot is, so there's probably a point at which "faster" cards offer little benefit.
[15:05] <ShanShen> Yeah, this seems to agree with you: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/sd-cards.md
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[15:08] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Quack!
[15:10] * lopta pages Elmer Fudd.
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[15:36] * IT_Sean beams lopta an irish coffee, with extra irish in it
[15:36] <s3nd1v0g1us> * looks forelornly at his MCD coffee.
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, I suppose it is St. Patricks day, afterall ...
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[15:39] <Armand> s3nd1v0g1us: McDunno's coffee ?? Seriously ?
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[15:42] <teclo-> ah yes it's Saint Patrick's Day
[15:42] <crdroid> hello
[15:42] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: Yup!
[15:42] <IT_Sean> and it's 5 o clock somewhere!
[15:42] <teclo-> that means a lot of drinking for some people
[15:43] <crdroid> I'm Chinese Player for Raspberry Pi
[15:43] <teclo-> 5 o clock ? That's the time for tea isn't it ?
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[15:48] <Sonny_Jim> Tea can be drunk at any time, beer is traditionally consumed after midday
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[15:51] <brainzap> soon weekend, and I bet everyone of you is ready to work on his raspberry pi project
[15:52] <lopta> crdroid: Welcome!
[15:52] <Armand> I would be, brainzap.. but I need to get a decent USB game controller.
[15:52] <Armand> The cheapo NES one I bought on ebay is crap.
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[15:53] <brainzap> get a xbox 360 usb secondhand
[15:53] <Armand> Don't like their controllers.. I'm thinking more like a SNES pad.
[15:54] <Sonny_Jim> The iBuffalo ones are good 'n cheap
[15:54] <Sonny_Jim> https://www.amazon.com/Buffalo-Classic-USB-Gamepad-PC/dp/B002B9XB0E
[15:55] <brainzap> what about ze drivers
[15:55] <Sonny_Jim> It's USB HID, so none needed
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[15:55] <Armand> Very not bad.
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[15:55] <Sonny_Jim> Very similar feel to the original SNES controllers, even the dpad is pretty nice.
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[15:56] <Armand> Thanks, Sonny_Jim_Bob_Whatshisname.
[15:56] <Armand> ^_^
[15:56] <Sonny_Jim> There are some _horrible_ SNES clone ones out there, I've bought a few before to get some rubbers to repair original controllers with
[15:56] <Sonny_Jim> But the Buffalo ones I can hand on heart say are good
[15:56] <brainzap> how about the originals?
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[15:57] <Sonny_Jim> Only drawback is that they don't have any kind of analog stick
[15:57] <lopta> crdroid: What do you use your Raspberry Pi for?
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[15:58] <Sonny_Jim> So in those cases, I just use an old Playstation 2 controller with a USB adapter, much better than trying to fiddle around with PS3 controllers and modified bluetooth stacks
[15:59] <Sonny_Jim> Just FYI, these are the awful ones:
[15:59] <Sonny_Jim> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01JYGYAUG?psc=1
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[16:08] <Sonny_Jim> So, it appears that the new Kodi update uses very nearly the same 'loading' indicator as Black Mirror does during the intro
[16:09] * lopta doesn't know what Black Mirror is.
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[16:17] <Sonny_Jim> lopta: Anthology series written by Charlie Brooker, kinda like a modern version of Twilight Zone
[16:18] <petn-randall> That series is dark as hell.
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[16:20] <lopta> Sonny_Jim: Ah. Haven't seen it.
[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah I should have described it as 'Twilight Zone, but really depressing and with a facebook feel'
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[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> I'd start with the 3rd series, production values went up massively
[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> each episode is it's own thing, so it doesn't matter which one you watch first really
[16:21] <lopta> hello teclo-
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[16:23] <tga> greetings
[16:24] <tga> ok, stupid question of the day, I got a pi display with a acrylic case, and the case came covered in something that looks like cardboard
[16:24] <tga> how do you remove that sheet?
[16:25] <tga> http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Quality-Acrylic-Bicolor-Case-for-Raspberry-Pi-Banana-Pi-7inch-HDMI-LCD-B-amp-C-/262127363744?rmvSB=true
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[16:25] <tga> the case should look something like this, but all surfaces are currently coverede
[16:25] <tga> s/e$//
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[16:31] <tga> aaand I got it, stubborn piece
[16:31] <tga> once I got a corner going it peeled off nicely
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[16:36] <sdothum> if you can't get a fingernail under it to start.. a piece of tape is usually sticky enough to lift the edge up
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[16:42] <tga> I used a high sensitivity humidifier on a corner, that did the trick
[16:43] <tga> tasted good too
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[16:45] <IT_Sean> ....... you licked it?
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[16:47] <tga> mmhm tasty
[16:47] * IT_Sean shudders
[16:47] <IT_Sean> you don't know where that's been!
[16:47] <tga> sure do
[16:47] <tga> China!
[16:47] <tga> ehlo Noldorin
[16:47] <tga> Noldorin: did you use to hang out in ##csharp?
[16:48] <lopta> ...or perhaps Bridgend.
[16:48] <Noldorin> hi tga
[16:48] <Noldorin> yes, I did
[16:48] <Noldorin> years ago
[16:48] <tga> hah nice
[16:48] <lopta> Can't do any work today: I've misplaced my green post-it tabs.
[16:48] <tga> the name looked familiar, I still have some of your music in a folder
[16:49] <tga> that pachebel ciacona is just awesome
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[16:55] <Trel> How does (does it at all?) the raspberry pi 3 handle H.265?
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[16:59] <plum> does rpi-update apply needed firmware updates to the pi?
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[16:59] <ali1234> plum: no
[17:00] <ali1234> plum: it only updates what is on the SD card
[17:00] <ali1234> and it should not be used unless you are a developer, or a developer told you to use it
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[17:01] <plum> cool cool, thank you
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[17:02] <plum> i'd read it did firmware stuff, didn't want to miss out on that, but it seems like it's not something i should look into
[17:02] <ali1234> it upgrades you to the unreleased beta firmware, basically
[17:03] <ali1234> most people should use the released firmware, which is installed automatically when you upgrade raspbian
[17:03] <plum> sweet. gonna keep just using update + upgrade + dist-upgrade then
[17:03] <plum> unless dist-upgrade is bad to use ?
[17:04] <tga> is there a rpi distro that can run read-only, so it's guaranteed not to overflow or destroy the sd?
[17:04] <ali1234> tga: yes and no
[17:04] <tga> what would you run on a fire and forget device?
[17:04] <ali1234> plum: you don't need to run upgrade and dist-upgrade
[17:04] <ali1234> just dist-upgrade is fine
[17:04] <ali1234> or even better just do "apt update && apt upgrade" - that is the modern way :)
[17:05] <ali1234> tga: there are multiple approaches to that problem, and no completely 100% working, documented and easy solution
[17:05] <tga> yay
[17:05] <tga> any tips?
[17:05] <MaekSo> OH GOD DON'T DO -rpi-update-
[17:05] <plum> weird, what's the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade then? i had thought one gives you stuff the other doesn't
[17:05] <MaekSo> I had to nuke and reinstall on my Pi2 because of 'rpi-update'
[17:05] <tga> I want to put together a few appliances that should ideally require no maintenance and run for a long time
[17:05] <ali1234> plum: "apt-get dist-upgrade" can remove obsolete packages, "apt-get upgrade" won't remove them
[17:05] <plum> i see i see
[17:06] <ali1234> plum: "apt upgrade" is the new thing, not sure exactly what it does
[17:06] <plum> so apt-get autoremove should not be run either usually i assume?
[17:06] <ali1234> no its fine to run that
[17:06] <tga> digital signage kind of thing
[17:06] <MaekSo> 'rpi-update' (based on recommendation of someone here) fucked every one of my services except 'networking'
[17:06] <plum> ali1234: apt upgrade but not apt-get upgrade?
[17:06] <ali1234> tga: the approach i am using is to build an initrd from raspbian packages using multistrap
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[17:06] <plum> MaekSo: definitely gonna steer clear of that then haha
[17:07] <MaekSo> oh, and sorry about the language, my bad
[17:07] <MaekSo> good, I saved a soul!
[17:07] <ali1234> tga: i like this approach because it is fast - it builds the image in about 2 minutes
[17:07] <ali1234> tga: also you can boot the initrd over tftp
[17:08] <MaekSo> ls -la
[17:08] <MaekSo> oops, wrong window :/
[17:08] <ali1234> it runs entirely from ram, so it is still read/write, you can even install things from apt - until you run out of space
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[17:08] * tga could use a guide for some hand holding on that
[17:08] <ali1234> i'm working on it
[17:09] <ali1234> i don't have it 100% nailed down yet
[17:09] <tga> and really there is nothing out there already done for rpi appliances?
[17:09] <ali1234> i spent a LONG time looking for a simple guide that works and in the end i had to figure it all out myself
[17:09] <tga> yeah, that's what I fear too
[17:09] <tga> I can get it eventually but it's not something I'd rather spend the next month on
[17:09] <ali1234> there are some things available that try to do it, but they all suck
[17:09] <tga> what about booting a livecd kind of thing?
[17:10] <ali1234> livecds are usually based on ramdisks
[17:10] <ali1234> initrd is a ramdisk
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[17:10] <ali1234> so its very similar
[17:10] <ali1234> any changes are wiped when you reboot :)
[17:10] <tga> that's perfectly fine, even a feature
[17:10] <ali1234> yes, i agree
[17:10] <tga> for a network appliance
[17:11] <ali1234> i am building a network appliance too
[17:11] <tga> besides, I can stick a usb stick into it for data
[17:11] <tga> well, kinda, I have no hub, but ok
[17:11] <ali1234> yes, or just fetch configuration from the internet
[17:11] <tga> ah, right, what about network boot?
[17:11] <tga> any chance of that for rpi?
[17:11] <ali1234> yes
[17:11] <tga> (zero w)
[17:12] <ali1234> rpi 3 can do it without a SD card
[17:12] <ali1234> the others, you just boot bootcode.bin on the SD card and nothing else
[17:12] <tga> time to find some really small sds
[17:12] <ali1234> then you put all your files (kernel, initrd etc) onto the tftp server instead of sd card
[17:12] <tga> right
[17:12] <tga> yeah, that's probably the way to go
[17:12] <tga> with one master rpi for tftp
[17:12] <ali1234> again, it's still a bit dodgy
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[17:13] <ali1234> still bugs here and there
[17:13] <ali1234> but the great thing is you can boot the exact same initrd and kernel over the network
[17:13] <tga> man 5" is tiny
[17:13] <tga> first time I get this screen going
[17:13] <ali1234> anyway got to go
[17:13] <tga> thanks ali1234
[17:13] <tga> I'll probably bug you on this some other time
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[17:17] <plum> i got a pi zero mounted onto a hard drive :)
[17:17] <plum> i was thinking of trying to make the hard drive act as the /home partition
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[17:18] <plum> but i might just keep it as an external storage
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[17:23] <plum> now how to mount it...
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[17:23] <plum> always forget this from console ahaha
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[17:48] <roger_padactor> ordered cam v2 because ps3 eye cam was too shitty
[17:49] <brainzap> actually, do we have a video encoder nerd here
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[17:49] * tga wonders wtf ssh doesn't work by default on raspbian/zerow
[17:50] <ali1234> because you didnt make a file called "ssh" on fat partition
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[17:50] <tga> no, I mean actually doesn't work
[17:51] <tga> I enabled the server, then had to rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* and reconfigure ssh
[17:51] <oq> why did you have to do that?
[17:51] <tga> (based on a post I found on this from 2012)
[17:51] <tga> the server just dropped my connection
[17:52] <brainzap> can you give us more context
[17:52] <tga> fresh raspbian in a zero w, enabled ssh, when trying to ssh into it I'd get Connection reset
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[17:53] <tga> I found a bunch of old posts about this, the quick solution was to delete host keys and reconfigure openssh-server
[17:53] <oq> the quick solution is make an ssh file on the fat partition....
[17:53] <petn-randall> tga: If you can login in physically, you could check the logs in /var/log/auth.log.
[17:54] <tga> so that fixed ssh, I'll check logs in a second
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[17:55] <tga> https://dpaste.de/DD4K
[17:55] <tga> stuff like this, for whatever reason it couldn't read the host keys
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[17:58] <brainzap> It will take days to download the raspberry pi image, oh wait it is 2017
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[18:00] <plum> :P
[18:01] <plum> Raspbian Lite is pretty much Raspbian but without GUI right?
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[18:04] <roger_padactor> oh hey how do I add the ssh file to boot partition on the sd card from the raspbian gui?
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[18:05] <tga> I'd expect something like touch /boot/ssh to work
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> easier to just run sudo raspi-config and enable sshd.
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[18:05] <roger_padactor> i enabled it from the preferences gui. is that the same thing?
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> actually, not easier, but AIUI the right way to do it after initial boot.
[18:05] <NineChickens> ssh?
[18:05] <NineChickens> yeah
[18:06] <NineChickens> so my school's network went down this morning for an hour or so
[18:06] <NineChickens> power surge
[18:06] <GenteelBen> Sounds like your school put all their eggs in one basket, NineChickens.
[18:06] <GenteelBen> They should have had nine baskets.
[18:07] <NineChickens> It was back up an hour later
[18:07] <NineChickens> thing is, it had no surge protector
[18:07] <GreeningGalaxy> ouch
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[18:08] <NineChickens> something to so with interfering with the UPS IIRC
[18:08] <NineChickens> so the techs had the rack out and were working on it
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[18:09] <NineChickens> ...I need to talk to my mum about unplugging computers without doing sudo shutdown now
[18:09] <GreeningGalaxy> my classmates (and prof) in electronics class kept unplugging their Pis without shutting them down nicely. soooo many corrupted SDs.
[18:09] <plum> noooooooo
[18:10] <NineChickens> I corrupted my original SD doing that
[18:10] <NineChickens> reburned raspbian recently and it works now
[18:11] <GreeningGalaxy> we were using NOOBS too, so everyone got the idea that reinstalling would be a time-consuming process.
[18:11] <plum> i've had so many sd cards die from pi's crashing/not shutting down properly because of that
[18:12] <NineChickens> How long does NOOBS take to flash?
[18:12] <GenteelBen> NineChickens, my son. Your school won't have a "surge protector" as such for the main feed into the building. They'll have a bunch of breakers for each circuit plus a primary.
[18:12] <GreeningGalaxy> NineChickens: to flash? not long. To download a new image from the internet every time, in a class full of people all doing the same thing? ...ages.
[18:12] <NineChickens> this was for the server
[18:12] <GenteelBen> If you lost power for one hour it means the high-amp fuses they use burnt out.
[18:12] <NineChickens> ouch
[18:12] <NineChickens> not power
[18:13] <GenteelBen> It's usually just a tripped breaker.
[18:13] <NineChickens> the server went down
[18:13] <GenteelBen> Oh.
[18:13] <NineChickens> We had power across the building
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[18:13] <GenteelBen> They should have hired me as a consultant then.
[18:13] <NineChickens> just the network?
[18:13] <GenteelBen> A UPS should give you 20-30 minutes of juice.
[18:13] <NineChickens> You in Middle of Nowhere, UK?
[18:13] <GenteelBen> That's enough time to bring the network back online.
[18:13] <GenteelBen> NineChickens: Bedfordshire.
[18:13] <NineChickens> Norfolk
[18:13] <GenteelBen> I used to work in a college actually.
[18:14] <NineChickens> This was a secondary
[18:14] <GenteelBen> NineChickens: you could have just flown to the nearest Maplins for some new fuses.
[18:14] <GenteelBen> You guys have wings right?
[18:14] <NineChickens> lol
[18:14] <GenteelBen> I forget what's real and what's not when it comes to Norfolk.
[18:14] <GenteelBen> The network going down, there's a real reason behind that.
[18:15] <GenteelBen> Depends on how the network is configured but it sometimes takes a few minutes to recalculate the spanning trees.
[18:15] <GenteelBen> My guess is you're using STP instead of a L3 protocol at your edge, because it's a school.
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[18:16] <GenteelBen> L3 protocol = like 3 seconds.
[18:16] <GenteelBen> STP = several minutes.
[18:16] <GenteelBen> And during that several minutes, Windows servers tend to flip out if they can't talk to each other. So you need to reboot them if you want to avoid issues.
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[18:16] <NineChickens> According to one of my friends who was in there (couldn't do any coursework 'cause the network) they had to take it apart and put it back together
[18:17] <GenteelBen> Oh and if it took an hour to bring everything online, I can tell you what happened
[18:17] <GenteelBen> They made changes to switches without saving the running config.
[18:17] <GenteelBen> It's like not saving your homework before turning off the power switch.
[18:17] <NineChickens> He said that the IT techs were working on the rack computer
[18:17] <GenteelBen> Basically most orgs make changes to ports but don't document them
[18:17] <GenteelBen> And if your stupid network engineers don't save the running config
[18:17] <GreeningGalaxy> good old Windows and "needing to reboot" often like that's a normal thing
[18:18] <GenteelBen> Those changes are lost when the power cycles
[18:18] <NineChickens> because it's in RAM
[18:18] <GenteelBen> Right.
[18:18] <NineChickens> right, back to working on this code
[18:18] <GenteelBen> GreeningGalaxy: Windows Server in 2012 or later handles restarting services as well as Linux does.
[18:18] <GenteelBen> You can start/stop AD etc. as if it was just another service.
[18:18] <GenteelBen> In 2008 R2 and prior, it was a PITA.
[18:19] <GenteelBen> Anyway
[18:19] <GreeningGalaxy> hmm
[18:19] <GenteelBen> NineChickens is writing some game. I'm guessing an RPG based on Stephen Fry's life.
[18:19] <NineChickens> no
[18:19] <NineChickens> not at all
[18:19] <GenteelBen> Wait, how old are you?
[18:19] <GenteelBen> You said school.
[18:19] <NineChickens> 15/
[18:20] <GenteelBen> Oh ffs I have to be on my best behaviour now.
[18:20] <NineChickens> EXAMS
[18:20] <NineChickens> lol
[18:20] <GenteelBen> If you're 15 now you don't have exams this year.
[18:20] <NineChickens> no i do
[18:20] <GenteelBen> Wait, maybe early GCSEs?
[18:20] <NineChickens> no
[18:20] <GenteelBen> They do them in year 10 don't they?
[18:20] <NineChickens> I am in Year 11
[18:20] <GenteelBen> Oh.
[18:20] <NineChickens> My birthday's just in July
[18:20] <GenteelBen> lol
[18:21] <GenteelBen> I hope you've been studying.
[18:21] <GenteelBen> You know there are 10 years of past papers online? They didn't have that in my day.
[18:21] <NineChickens> not for english and maths
[18:21] <GenteelBen> Which exam board?
[18:22] <NineChickens> AQA and Edexcel
[18:22] <NineChickens> New spec for 9-1
[18:22] <GenteelBen> Oh that.
[18:22] <GenteelBen> Yeah I read through the 9-1 book for maths. It's much harder than it used to be.
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[18:22] <NineChickens> Also I do a Systems and Control GCSE
[18:22] <GenteelBen> But tbh all it does is close the ridiculously big gap between GCSE and A Level. The gap was colossal when I was in school.
[18:22] <NineChickens> it's basically Electronics
[18:22] <GenteelBen> Ok that's weird.
[18:22] <GenteelBen> NineChickens, my son.
[18:23] <GenteelBen> I will give you several educational life tips.
[18:23] <GenteelBen> 1) The only GCSEs which matter are the ones which will get you into the A Level courses you want to do
[18:23] <GenteelBen> 2) Once you're 21+ the only GCSEs that employers ask about are Maths and English
[18:24] <GenteelBen> 3) Music, Food Tech, Woodwork, Drama etc. are a waste of time and you should skip all those classes
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[18:24] <GenteelBen> I guess it's too late for you now, but most kids are given terrible careers advice by their schools...because the schools have a financial incentive to get their students to do as many GCSEs as possible.
[18:25] <GenteelBen> Have you picked your A Levels, NineChickens?
[18:25] <NineChickens> yes
[18:26] <NineChickens> Maths, Physics and Computing
[18:26] <GenteelBen> That's an unusually good selection.
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[18:26] <GenteelBen> Do they only let you do three?
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[18:27] <NineChickens> yes
[18:27] <NineChickens> three now
[18:27] <NineChickens> because no AS levels
[18:27] <GenteelBen> Ah yes.
[18:27] <NineChickens> so they're harder
[18:27] <GenteelBen> You're probably too small to understand how much of a bunch of bastards the Tories are.
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[18:27] <GenteelBen> The Tories got rid of November/Jan exam series, and now A Levels.
[18:27] <NineChickens> nah
[18:27] <GenteelBen> Er, AS Levels*
[18:27] <GenteelBen> They do it because they know young people don't vote.
[18:28] <NineChickens> tbf in year 7/8 we were doing verbs in french
[18:28] <GenteelBen> Well, they have AS Levels, but they're now worthless because you can't convert them into full A Levels.
[18:28] <NineChickens> I came up with 'j'assassiner Michael Gove'
[18:28] <GenteelBen> Ah, that's good.
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[18:29] <GenteelBen> The liberal lefty luvvie teaching unions are teaching you well.
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[18:29] <NineChickens> I did that on my own
[18:30] <GenteelBen> Basically the Tories changed various qualifications to make them more like what they studied in private school. Except their private schools were £20,000/yr so could afford the best teachers, equipment, tea time caviar etc.
[18:30] <NineChickens> no teachers
[18:30] <NineChickens> lel
[18:30] <GenteelBen> Unfortunately Labour are a shit show right now, and the Lib-Dems can go to hell and die for collaborating with the Tories in the coalition.
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[18:30] <GenteelBen> I guess it's the Green Party from me, even though the Greens are batshit insane.
[18:30] <GenteelBen> s/from/for
[18:31] <NineChickens> s/lol/lel
[18:31] <NineChickens> huh
[18:31] <NineChickens> it dead
[18:31] <GenteelBen> What do you want to be when you grow up?
[18:32] <NineChickens> I was thinking of going into programming of some kind
[18:32] <NineChickens> so more specific than 'no idea'
[18:32] <BurtyB> GenteelBen, *cough* it should be family friendly chat in here (see topic for the rules)
[18:32] <GenteelBen> Sorry BurtyB.
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[18:33] <GenteelBen> NineChickens: best to leave your options wide open, which is why I would've said, "Do two hard sciences and a humanities subject like Economics or Philosophy".
[18:34] <GenteelBen> Gives you more options if you realise you hate maths, for example (it gets -much- harder at A Level and it's 80% abstract).
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[18:35] <ali1234> "maths, physics, chemistry" is a classic choice
[18:35] <GenteelBen> ali1234: he's doing Computer Science though.
[18:35] <ali1234> i did computer science
[18:35] <GenteelBen> The new CS A Level is much harder than the old Computing one.
[18:35] <ali1234> and maths, physics, chemistry A levels
[18:36] <ali1234> if you hate maths then don't do computer science...
[18:36] <GenteelBen> ali1234: there isn't a lot of maths in CS lol.
[18:37] <ali1234> that's hilarious
[18:37] <ali1234> it's about 75% maths
[18:37] <GenteelBen> Not in how it's taught to 16-year-olds.
[18:37] <ali1234> i'm talking about degree level
[18:37] <GenteelBen> Learning reverse polish notation and how to convert between bases doesn't count as heavy maths content.
[18:37] <GreeningGalaxy> it's also the kind of math you'll probably understand a lot better if what you really hate is calculus
[18:37] <GenteelBen> ali1234: right but we're discussing A Levels.
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[18:38] <ali1234> why do A levels if you are not going to do a degree?
[18:38] <GenteelBen> GreeningGalaxy: well, that's applied math vs pure math.
[18:38] <ali1234> the only reason they exist is so that universities can pick based on how many points you got
[18:38] <GenteelBen> Discrete maths and statistics are essential if you want a good job in IT.
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[18:39] <GreeningGalaxy> Not necessarily applied vs. pure, just different kinds are applied to CS vs e.g. Physics
[18:39] <NineChickens> so RPN is basically 2 2 +
[18:39] <GenteelBen> Well, IIRC the new A Level maths spec has a lot of mechanics in it.
[18:39] <NineChickens> and bases is like denary, binary, hex etc.
[18:39] <GenteelBen> He's chosen 3 subjects with mucho overlap so it should be easier.
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[18:39] <GenteelBen> NineChickens: and octal.
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[18:39] <GenteelBen> In the exam I had to convert between the bases, despite nobody doing it by hand IRL.
[18:40] <GreeningGalaxy> I started out as a CS major at my uni, but switched to physics when I realized I wanted to learn calculus
[18:40] <GenteelBen> They just need a way to differentiate candidates, is all.
[18:40] <ali1234> the old A level maths had mechanics in it...
[18:40] <GenteelBen> ali1234: no it was entirely optional.
[18:40] <plum> anyone know if there is a keyboard shortcut in Nano to duplicate current line?
[18:40] <GenteelBen> The only mandatory units were pure maths (C1-C4).
[18:40] <GreeningGalaxy> I didn't do well in calculus in high school, and thought it would be nice to get away from it, but then I realized what I'd assumed to be tired resignation was actually a latent attachment to the subject.
[18:40] <NineChickens> gimme a minute
[18:41] <GenteelBen> You could choose any two applied maths units (e.g. S1-S5, D1-D2, M1-M5).
[18:41] <GenteelBen> My choices were M1 and D1.
[18:41] <ali1234> what D?
[18:41] <GenteelBen> "Decision maths" aka discrete maths.
[18:41] <GenteelBen> The stuff he'll be learning in CS.
[18:41] <ali1234> oh. anyway, i didn't get that choice
[18:41] <ali1234> i did M1 and M2
[18:42] <ali1234> and yes, comp sci is all discrete maths
[18:42] <GenteelBen> Well, the NEW spec is being examined for the first time this June (for A Level. They did AS last year).
[18:42] <GenteelBen> So nobody really knows how difficult it'll be.
[18:42] <GenteelBen> That's why I did a Computing A Level - the Computing spec was a known quantity, there were lots of books and online resources for this ancient spec.
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[18:43] <ali1234> mechanics is easy tho
[18:43] <funkster> anyone refocus their v2 camera before?
[18:43] <GenteelBen> If you're doing the new Computer Science A Level (2015 onwards) there's almost nothing online.
[18:43] <GenteelBen> ali1234: I found M1 pretty easy. But then, it's M1.
[18:43] <ali1234> how long ago are we talking?
[18:44] <ali1234> it was 20 years ago when i did A levels
[18:44] <ali1234> its probably changed more than once since then
[18:44] <GenteelBen> I did my first round last year, but I'm 30. I need A Levels for uni (didn't do them the first time).
[18:44] <GreeningGalaxy> <ali1234> mechanics is easy tho ## I just finished mechanics II at my uni. NOT easy. Not even close.
[18:44] <GenteelBen> It's changed about twice since I was in college c. 2003.
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[18:44] <GenteelBen> GreeningGalaxy: well, the gulf between college and uni is still huge.
[18:45] <GenteelBen> So much so that many "hard" courses are now being evaluated for four-year terms, because the best unis don't think they can teach you that stuff within a 3 year window.
[18:45] <ali1234> from what i remember, mechanics at A level is just a retread of what you learn in physics
[18:45] <GenteelBen> IMO it would be better if the academic year wasn't like only 7 months.
[18:45] <GenteelBen> ali1234: yeah it was when I did Physics in 2003.
[18:45] <GenteelBen> Same books IIRC. We had one lazy-ass teacher.
[18:45] <GreeningGalaxy> It's been amusing because I took quantum and classical mechanics simultaneously this last quarter. Quantum is all like "this concept is really hard, but we can apply math to it to make it entirely straightforward" while classical is "this concept is entirely straightforward, but we can apply math to it to make it really hard."
[18:45] <NoMiddle_> Hello, Can I configure a raspberry pi 3 model b with raspbian with a fixed IP and sshd enabled for first configuration without a dhcp server or any keyboard?
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> NoMiddle_, yes - but you might need to be able to mount the ext parition on another linux system first.
[18:46] <GreeningGalaxy> NoMiddle_: what do you mean, without a dhcp server? without one on the Pi, or without one at all?
[18:47] <NoMiddle_> GreeningGalaxy: without a dhcp server on lan
[18:47] <NineChickens> So my calculator has these buttons
[18:47] <NineChickens> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FjEcSzKK/irccloudcapture1015330516.jpg
[18:47] <NoMiddle_> gordonDrogon: so, I can mount root partition and configure fixed ip on network-manager directory?
[18:47] <NineChickens> I'm not allowed to use it in base changing tests
[18:47] <GreeningGalaxy> huh, never seen those on a calculator before
[18:47] <NoMiddle_> Can I*
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[18:48] <GenteelBen> NineChickens, why do you not have the Casio fx-991ES?
[18:48] <NineChickens> so I can instantly go 25 is 11001
[18:48] <GenteelBen> It's like the daddy of GCSE/A-Level calculators.
[18:48] <NineChickens> I do
[18:49] <NineChickens> I just also have one that can convert between denary, hex, binary and octal
[18:49] <GreeningGalaxy> I have a calculator that does symbolic integration/differentiation, solving, differential equations.... it's illegal practically everywhere.
[18:49] <NineChickens> and tbf the other one is way easier
[18:49] <GenteelBen> Oh.
[18:49] <GreeningGalaxy> It was actually confiscatable at my high school. They told us if we had one, they would take it and never return it.
[18:49] <ali1234> i used to have a programmable one but it broke
[18:49] <ali1234> it wasn't a graphical one either
[18:49] <GenteelBen> Yeah when I do my exams this summer I'm taking in two calculators: the 991ESPLUS, and this bad boy https://www.amazon.co.uk/Casio-FX-CG20-Advanced-Graphic-Calculator/dp/B004YVJKAM/
[18:49] <NineChickens> greeninggalaxy: what was it called
[18:50] <GenteelBen> Graphical ones are basically cheating.
[18:50] <GreeningGalaxy> TI-89 Titanium
[18:50] <ali1234> it was great cos it looked like a normal calculator heh
[18:50] <GreeningGalaxy> it is indeed graphical
[18:50] <GenteelBen> You can plot curves and trigonometric functions to see if your answer is right.
[18:50] <GenteelBen> Mine can give you the intercepts, roots etc.
[18:50] <GenteelBen> But it's all allowed.
[18:50] <GreeningGalaxy> The thing with the Titanium is that it looks very similar to the completely-legal TI-84 series, but has most of the functions of the scary phone-looking Nspires.
[18:50] <NineChickens> yeah that's all allowed for a-level
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[18:51] <GenteelBen> In fact the CG-20 can solve simultaneous equations and symbolic quadratic equations.
[18:51] <ali1234> is there a wikipedia of calculators somewhere?
[18:51] <ali1234> i feel a need to find out what my old calculator was and buy one on ebay
[18:51] <GenteelBen> ali1234: there probably is. Calculator tech has barely changed over the last 30 years.
[18:51] <GenteelBen> Might have a new model # and shell but it's probably just the same PCB underneath.
[18:51] <GreeningGalaxy> in high school I had a ton of formulas programmed into my TI-83. Quadratic, Heron's Formula, law of cosines and sines
[18:51] <GenteelBen> That's why I boycott TI. They really take the piss.
[18:52] <GenteelBen> At least Casio innovate every ~10 years...
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[18:52] <GenteelBen> Though I was annoyed my CG-20 graphical calculator can't recharge over USB.
[18:52] <ali1234> i want to buy the exact same one :)
[18:52] <ali1234> it was a sharp i think
[18:52] <GenteelBen> It's like, we've had USB-rechargeable phones for like 15 years now...
[18:52] <GreeningGalaxy> The only reason you'd ever buy a TI is because it's legal on tests (and indeed, finally in uni it's allowed on most tests). Otherwise you might as well get an emulator on your phone, or just pull out your laptop and sagemath.
[18:53] <GreeningGalaxy> (or mathematica if you feel like giving money to mister wolfram)
[18:53] <GenteelBen> GreeningGalaxy: yeah that's why I bought this Casio CG-20. It's the best calculator which is allowed in UK exams.
[18:53] <GenteelBen> Some features are gimped (e.g. can't do symbolic integration and differentiation).
[18:53] <NineChickens> that octa-hexa-dena-bina converter calc is a ΣSC86
[18:53] <GenteelBen> That looks like an old calculator, NineChickens.
[18:54] <GenteelBen> I also don't know what that up/down arrow symbol does.
[18:54] <GreeningGalaxy> symbolic calculus is OP anyway. I never have reason to use it, because at this point I can solve hairier integrals than it can.
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[18:54] <GenteelBen> Based on the stats stuff on the right, is this a dual purpose accounting calculator?
[18:54] <GreeningGalaxy> If they're just /long/ then it might be worthwhile but I haven't had to deal with integrals like that yet.
[18:54] <NineChickens> idk genteelben
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[18:55] <NineChickens> It has ΣSC86 at the top
[18:55] <GenteelBen> It has functions for finding the sum of a series' terms' squares.
[18:55] <GenteelBen> Anyway.
[18:55] <GenteelBen> GreeningGalaxy: yeah, you only get full marks if you show your working.
[18:55] <GenteelBen> So even if the calcs did it you'd only get 1/4 marks or something.
[18:56] <GenteelBen> The calcs do numeric diff/int but it's pretty useless in exams (you have to enter values for x).
[18:56] <GenteelBen> Well...it's useful for checking your answer I guess, if you've worked out the value of x.
[18:56] <GreeningGalaxy> My profs would give me zero credit if I just put an answer down. calc is only good for figuring out small parts you don't remember.
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[18:57] <NineChickens> It also contains lead and mercury
[18:57] <NineChickens> but its batteries are l1154
[18:57] <NineChickens> so i can buy new ones
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[18:58] <GreeningGalaxy> I also give no credit for just answers on problems that should have many steps when I grade, even if the answer's right.
[18:59] <GenteelBen> Yeah because there are online equation solvers now.
[18:59] <IT_Sean> that's mean
[18:59] <GreeningGalaxy> like, we gave you half a page and you just wrote "3.2523 volts" at the top? suuuure you did the work and didn't just copy.
[18:59] <GenteelBen> Back in my day we had to pay an older kid to do it for us.
[18:59] <GenteelBen> That older kid was IT_Sean.
[18:59] <GenteelBen> Of course, the answer was wrong and we all failed.
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[19:00] <IT_Sean> the answer was wrong intentionally. You paid for an answer... you didn't pay for a CORRECT answer!
[19:01] <GreeningGalaxy> I had students this last quarter get like 2/20 on a homework because they didn't show any work. Probably should've got a zero because they probably copied off their neighbors, but "you failed this for an extraneous reason" sometimes doesn't carry as much weight as "2/20"
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[19:03] <GreeningGalaxy> (not sure what the grading scale is in the UK these days but in the US it's almost always 59% is the threshold for an F, 69% for a D, 79% for a C, etc)
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[19:04] <NineChickens> What subject do you teach?
[19:06] <GreeningGalaxy> I TA for the electronics classes the physics department teaches to the non-physics majors (mostly audio people)
[19:06] <GreeningGalaxy> I will probably also TA for the physics-major electronics class when it rolls around, but that one's only once every two years.
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[19:09] <GreeningGalaxy> first quarter was basic electronics, this one was linear circuits (the most useful for the audio folks) and next will be digital electronics.
[19:10] <GreeningGalaxy> I've been learning a lot this quarter. Last quarter was mostly old news to me, but my research (the main place I've been learning electronics from so fast) is mostly digital logic and I didn't know much about amplifiers coming into this quarter.
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[19:13] <GreeningGalaxy> I'd had basic op amps and stuff, but nothing about actually using them for anything besides temperature sensors and the like.
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[19:14] <GreeningGalaxy> well, mostly photoresistors for electronics class
[19:15] <GreeningGalaxy> oh yeah, that was funny. My prof found a roll of ~something~ in the bin labeled THERMISTORS and assumed that's what they were, and handed them out in class when we needed thermistors and told us that's what they were.
[19:16] <NineChickens> how can you mix up thermistors and ldrs
[19:16] <GenteelBen> GreeningGalaxy: that's a pretty cramped grade distribution.
[19:16] <GenteelBen> A* should be 90%, A 75%, B 65%, etc...just have more difficult questions.
[19:16] <GreeningGalaxy> Obviously all resistors have some nonzero temperature coefficient, so people were just jacking up the gain of their op amps and getting pissed off trying to find the threshold, but nobody thought to accuse these things of not actually being real thermistors because they were a different color than regular resistors.
[19:17] <GreeningGalaxy> GenteelBen: tell that to Betsy DeVos I guess. :(
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[19:17] <GreeningGalaxy> Anyway, I finally got to reading about thermistors and found that they're supposed to have a *negative* temperature coefficient, and I was like, hold on. What? and then looked back in the bin and found the REAL thermistors. That was a fun day.
[19:18] <GreeningGalaxy> prof: "oops!" classmates: "YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING ME"
[19:18] <NineChickens> greeninggalaxy: isn't this a photoresistor?
[19:18] <NineChickens> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xk4Gck2z/
[19:18] <NineChickens> and this a thermistor?
[19:18] <GreeningGalaxy> Aye, that's a photoresistor
[19:18] <NineChickens> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4magqvTZ/
[19:19] <NineChickens> they look completely different
[19:19] <GreeningGalaxy> thermistors often look like that, yes
[19:19] <GreeningGalaxy> no, he confused thermistors with *regular* resistors. fixed-value resistors, with the color bands.
[19:19] <NineChickens> i
[19:19] <NineChickens> um
[19:19] <NineChickens> what
[19:19] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah....
[19:20] <GreeningGalaxy> it seems so dumb in retrospect but none of us actually knew anything about thermistors so we just assumed he knew what he was doing
[19:20] <NineChickens> If you're curious, this was the circuit design for my systems major project
[19:20] <NineChickens> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2Oc3dW1B/
[19:20] <GreeningGalaxy> prof's a smart guy (I research with him now) but a bit of a space cadet sometimes.
[19:21] <NineChickens> I once soldered an LED on the wrong way
[19:21] <GreeningGalaxy> is that a digital to binary converter?
[19:21] <NineChickens> no
[19:21] <NineChickens> Door lock
[19:21] <NineChickens> the chip in the middle is a picaxe 20ms
[19:21] <GreeningGalaxy> ohhh nifty
[19:21] <NineChickens> the block near the bottom represents a servo
[19:21] <NineChickens> And it works!
[19:21] <GreeningGalaxy> cool!
[19:22] <NineChickens> code is circle-triangle-square-pentagon though
[19:22] <NineChickens> it was simple
[19:22] <NineChickens> basically 1234
[19:22] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm just about to get into AVRs, starting with an ATTINY of some sort
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[19:23] <GreeningGalaxy> I was considering some PIC or other but a friend on another network told me that if I made 8-bit PIC my first exposure to coding in assembly, I would surely go stark raving pants-on-head mad.
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[19:24] <Crom> GreeningGalaxy, I agree!
[19:24] <NineChickens> this is the code for it https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/U9Ppg1fn/
[19:24] <NineChickens> well, some of it
[19:24] <Crom> actually I'd suggest a 8051 to start with
[19:25] <NineChickens> whole thing is 105 lines
[19:25] <GreeningGalaxy> Crom: they told me to run away from 8051 too actually
[19:25] <GreeningGalaxy> I was looking at the nRF24Ewhatever it is that's a radio transceiver and an 8-bit MCU in one package, and they were like no girl you're gonna go crazy
[19:26] <Crom> id10t's... yes it is an old architecture but still used every day
[19:27] <GreeningGalaxy> ATtiny20 (I guess it's not all-caps is it) looks like a good start. Cheap, datasheet's only a few hundred pages, and it uses like no power at all.
[19:27] <Crom> it's a modified 8080 8 bit instruction set
[19:27] <Crom> ATTiny85 with micro usb connector is what I use to drive neopixels
[19:27] <NineChickens> so the year 9s do a see the beat project
[19:27] <humbot> gosub ? what is that ?
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[19:28] <GreeningGalaxy> humbot: GOTO I think.
[19:28] <Crom> it's call
[19:28] <NineChickens> go to subroutine
[19:28] <NineChickens> yeah
[19:28] <humbot> yes but what language
[19:28] <Crom> basic
[19:28] <GreeningGalaxy> I'll probably look into 8051 next after I get comfortable with AVR, since that seems like a sanity-safe jumping-off point for asm
[19:28] <NineChickens> Picaxe basic or something like that
[19:28] <Crom> qbasic, turbo basic, power basic, and many others
[19:29] <humbot> i learned some BBC basic, didn't know BASIC was still around though
[19:29] <GreeningGalaxy> although it's tempting to go to STM32 from there because I already have some Nucleos I've been programming in C++ with mbed
[19:29] <GreeningGalaxy> I don't think BASIC is going anywhere, is it?
[19:29] <Crom> humbot, I'm saving up for power basic console compiler... Im way back at CC 4 something
[19:30] <Crom> Power Basic is nice since it compiles pretty damn tight
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[19:30] <Crom> it makes working with strings REAL easy
[19:31] <Crom> though PB is dos/windows only...
[19:32] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm Linux-only, so I'm limited when it comes to toolchains
[19:32] <GreeningGalaxy> although that would probably matter a lot more if I cared much about what 'toolchains' are.
[19:33] <NineChickens> Android runs on Linux, right?
[19:34] <Crom> Android is on a linux base
[19:34] <NineChickens> well, is based on
[19:34] <NineChickens> yeah
[19:34] <GreeningGalaxy> Aye, although Android is to desktop Linux as a kiddie car is to a semi truck
[19:34] <Crom> sorta like OSX is kinda BSD
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[19:35] <GreeningGalaxy> maybe not a semi, maybe a pickup truck
[19:36] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm not good with cars.
[19:36] <humbot> maybe a tractor
[19:40] <NineChickens> so basically really nothing
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[19:42] <gordonDrogon> RTB is a good BASIC that runs on the Pi ...
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[19:42] <gordonDrogon> although I may be slightly biased, however ...
[19:44] <humbot> > links to your site :P
[19:44] <humbot> nice bridge btw
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> bridge?
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> you mean the thing I'm sitting in?
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> sudo apt-get install rtb
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mow_Cop
[19:47] <humbot> wow
[19:48] <humbot> thats within driving distance for me
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[19:51] <gordonDrogon> it's withing driving distance of me too - well, about a good half day :)
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[19:51] <Stromeko> Trying again, hopefully someone can answer or has some hints… does anybody know how to configure more than one pps-gpio?
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[19:54] <ali1234> yay i found it https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/30/12/90/301290d795b5f4ae1ef48a6bb191d7b9.jpg
[19:55] <ali1234> if it didn't say "programmable" on it, there's no way you'd know
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> ah. I have an old Casio.
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> https://www.rskey.org/images/large/fx502p.jpg
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> the display on mine is cracked but it worked last time I put new batteries in it.
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[20:42] <brainzap> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glZnkpIDWSE
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[20:46] <codebam> I added the ssh file to /boot and I enabled an internet sharing connection in networkmanager, but I can't see the rpi on my lan
[20:46] <codebam> how do I connect to it
[20:46] <codebam> I nmapped the ip address of the the ethernet device
[20:46] <codebam> with /24
[20:47] <codebam> all I can see is myself
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[20:48] <codebam> I tried to ping the broadcast address to and that isn't working
[20:48] <codebam> *too
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[20:49] <brainzap> what do the network leds say
[20:50] <codebam> they're on. there's an orange and green one both on
[20:50] <codebam> this is the rpi2
[20:50] <codebam> do I need to put anything inside the ssh file, or just touch it?
[20:51] <brainzap> you need to write something, as an offering to the great linux gods
[20:52] <codebam> haha okay give me a sec I'll put my sdcard in my laptop
[20:52] <mfa298> if the network is working you should be able to ping the pi regardless of whether ssh is enabled or not
[20:53] <mfa298> you only need to create the ssh file, and I think it'll be removed if the pi sees it and enabled ssh
[20:53] <codebam> yes, I _should_, but I _cant_
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[20:53] <mfa298> if you can't ping the pi, then something more fundamental is wrong so not much point worrying about ssh yet
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[20:55] <codebam> okay, does anyone know what my networkmanager config gui should look like for the sharing connection?
[20:55] <codebam> right now I have this https://ptpb.pw/2Y1w.png https://ptpb.pw/bJCI.png https://ptpb.pw/rUCn.png
[20:56] <mfa298> you're trying to share the laptops connection with the Pi ? Could you not juts plug the Pi into the existing network
[20:56] <codebam> mfa298: no, I don't have my own existing network
[20:56] <codebam> I use my school internet
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[20:56] <codebam> on residence
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[20:57] <mfa298> you'd need to have an IP set on the laptop, and I suspect "Shared to Other computers" opion might need to be on the interface connected to the internet.
[20:58] <mfa298> but I've not used linux connection sharing like that
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[20:59] <codebam> okay, I've done this before and it's worked. I might have changed things since though
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[21:03] <BurtyB> codebam, can you ping "raspberrypi.local" ?
[21:03] <codebam> name or service not known
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[21:09] <codebam> ?
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[21:44] <tga> soo I got a cheap(ish) display for this photo frame idea, turns out the viewing angle is crap
[21:45] <tga> not too many options for hdmi screens out there
[21:45] <ali1234> the official display is good
[21:45] <ali1234> thats what i am using
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[21:45] <tga> oh, important detail -- ~5" case
[21:46] <tga> 4:3 too, but I can work around that
[21:46] <tga> the 7" official display won't fit
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[21:49] <Encrypt> Ah ah :D
[21:49] <Encrypt> https://www.kubii.fr/fr/148-pi-zero-v13
[21:49] <Encrypt> Raspberry Pi Zero v3: 5,50€
[21:49] <Encrypt> Pi Jack : 19,90€
[21:49] <Encrypt> Legit
[21:49] <Encrypt> :>
[21:49] <ali1234> whats a pi jack?
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[21:50] <ali1234> oh, ethernet
[21:50] <Encrypt> That's nonsense
[21:50] <Encrypt> It costs 4x the price of the pi
[21:50] <ali1234> well yeah
[21:51] <ali1234> small runs are expensive
[21:52] <tga> with the zero you can easily find a case (i.e. a piece of plastic) that's more expensive than the computer itself
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[21:53] <BurtyB> ali1234, if only they was cheap and time was free heh
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[22:03] <ali1234> BurtyB: what do you think of my webpage? https://zerostem.io/
[22:05] <brainzap> i want to make a fullscreen kiosk app for rasperry, whats the best way?
[22:05] <ali1234> brainzap: Qt, ELGFS, gstreamer for media, in a raspbian initrd
[22:05] <ali1234> *EGLFS
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[22:06] <shauno> ali1234: clean your laptop, man
[22:06] <ali1234> its not my laptop
[22:06] <ali1234> i will photoshop it if you insist
[22:07] <ali1234> my laptop is way dirtier than that
[22:07] <codebam> okay so I got it connected, but after switching to sid I can't install kodi?
[22:07] <codebam> I get this
[22:07] <shauno> I'm not sure I insist, I just thought it was funny. if it was anything but white on black, I wouldn't have noticed
[22:07] <ali1234> its funny because when we took that picture the dust was even worse and we had to spend like 5 minutes trying to clean the laptop
[22:07] <codebam> https://ptpb.pw/flCL/text
[22:07] <mfa298> interesting Pie chart and numbers on https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/raspberry-pi-sales/
[22:08] <mfa298> 100k pi zero-w in the first 4 days
[22:08] <codebam> anyone else know how I can fix that?
[22:08] <ali1234> but we just couldn't get rid of it all
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[22:10] <codebam> can I have jessie and sid installed at the same time?
[22:10] <codebam> like both entries
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[22:10] <shauno> surprised magpi slipped with "Raspberry Pi 2B+"
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[22:12] <kerio> mfa298: who knew that a useful thing actually sells :o
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[22:13] <mfa298> they got the 2b right on the chart at least.
[22:14] <ali1234> i am surprised that the 3b is already the biggest seller
[22:14] <mfa298> kerio: something for all the people that suggest the zero and zero-w don't actually exist. Based on that it would suggest around 0.5 million zeros, I suspect that's well over what all the other fruit pi's have managed
[22:14] <kerio> yo how awkward is it going to be to set up a pi0w without a screen
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[22:15] <ali1234> shauno: is that better?
[22:15] <kerio> with like
[22:15] <kerio> usb ethernet i guess?
[22:15] <kerio> usb serial?
[22:15] <mfa298> kerio: you should be able to put a wpa_supplicant file and ssh on the fat partition and they'll get used to conenct to the wifi and enable ssh
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[22:15] <plum> kerio: i'm doing that lol
[22:15] <kerio> mfa298: oh that's even simpler i guess
[22:15] <kerio> no mucking about with dtoverlay
[22:15] <ali1234> kerio: you just put "ssh" and "wpa_supplicant.conf" onto the fat partition before you boot the first time
[22:15] <kerio> (while blind)
[22:16] <mfa298> I don't have a zero to test, but I've doen that with a Pi3
[22:16] <kerio> and obviously i meant "without writing to ext4"
[22:16] <ali1234> another alternative is set the SD card up in a pi 3 and then put it in the zero w. the wifi config transfers correctly that way
[22:16] <kerio> i only use good file systems
[22:16] <kerio> and hfs+ :^)
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[22:18] <kerio> am i a bad enough dude to put freebsd with zfs on a pi0w
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[22:19] <shauno> if you have to ask about headless installation, probably not. (sorry, you asked)
[22:20] <mfa298> I'm not sure how well zfs would work with limited memory, also does freebsd work on the arm6 or is it only arm7
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[22:22] <kerio> mfa298: i believe it's not necessarily an issue of memory
[22:22] <kerio> zfs has a hard requirement of 64mb of ram and that's it
[22:22] <kerio> it's more an issue of address space
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[22:23] <kerio> mfa298: apparently there's official prebuilt images :o
[22:23] <mfa298> zfs hasn't worked that well on low memory machines when I've tried it.
[22:23] <kerio> FreeBSD-11.0-STABLE-arm-armv6-RPI-B-20170316-r315416.img.xz
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[22:24] <kerio> i wonder if it includes wifi support
[22:24] <shauno> I'd be more worried about if that's specific to the piB
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[22:28] <kerio> shauno: well, the wiki says to use the pib image for the pi0
[22:30] <shauno> hm, I can see the logic there at least
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[22:38] <gordonDrogon> from an underlying architechure point of view, then Zero/W is more or less the same as the B+ with the 40-pin gpio.
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> there is the serial port shenanigans though, but if you're not using it, you won't notice it...
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[22:45] <kerio> gordonDrogon: what about the wifi tho
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> no idea - try it :)
[22:47] <kerio> i still don't have it >:C
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> it's almost 20 years since I last used FreeBSD - I do keep meaning to give it a go on a Pi though.
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[22:48] <kerio> gordonDrogon: you should try it on a real computer ;o
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[22:48] <kerio> one with 60ish bits of address space ;o
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> I don't really care though. I also don't see the point in 64-bit computers right now - unless you're really into heavy duty scientific stuff.
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[22:49] <kerio> huh... having more than 4gb of ram?
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> that's a solved problem in 32-bit systems.
[22:50] <kerio> having more than 4gb of ram for a single program?
[22:50] <ali1234> not really
[22:50] <ali1234> there are workarounds
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> no - having more than 4GB in a system is solved.
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[22:50] <gordonDrogon> using more than (whatever the limit is now - 3.5GB?) in a Linux program is "tricky".
[22:51] <ali1234> again, not really, not on 64 bit anyway
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> however what needs it? We're back at the heavy duty scientific stuff again... (apart from firefox, I guess)
[22:51] <ali1234> i have 32GB in my desktop at the moment
[22:51] <ali1234> i'll get another 32GB when the prices drop... if they drop
[22:51] <kerio> i am seriously tight with 16gb of ram on this lappy
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> I get by with 1GB on my laptop.
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> 4GB on my desktop.
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> I just don't have a use for any more.
[22:52] <kerio> my irc client is using more than 1gb
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[22:52] <kerio> and i have about 7gb of cache used up right now
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> what sort of IRC client uses more than 1GB!!!!
[22:52] <ali1234> i only have about 8GB in use at the moment
[22:52] <ali1234> +23GB cache
[22:52] <kerio> ali1234: you should use freebsd ;o
[22:53] <ali1234> no.
[22:53] <kerio> for zfs ;o
[22:53] <ali1234> i dont need zfs
[22:53] <kerio> do it ;o
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> well I guess I don't know what I'm missing, so I'l carry on in my ignorance..
[22:53] <kerio> you need zfs in your life
[22:53] <kerio> it'll make you a true human bean
[22:53] <ali1234> i really really don't need any more "experimental" filesystems
[22:53] <ali1234> not after the trouble i had with reiserfs
[22:53] <ali1234> "it's great" they said
[22:53] <CompanionCube> ZFS isn't 'experimental' in any sense of the word
[22:54] <ali1234> "it's self balancing and it can't ever get corrupt" they said
[22:54] <kerio> "experimental"
[22:54] <mfa298> zfs hasn't been experimental for over a decade unless you're trying that bodge of ZoL
[22:54] <ali1234> CompanionCube: except in the sense where it has lots of weird features not found in normal file systems
[22:54] <kerio> it was released literally 12 years ago
[22:54] <CompanionCube> ali1234: ah but the weird features are the good parts :)
[22:54] <kerio> released /stable/ in a big old corporate unix
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[22:55] <kerio> ali1234: except that they're super basic features that /should/ be in any normal file system
[22:55] * gordonDrogon is happy with extX for now.
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[22:59] <CompanionCube> huh, it's a bit older than I thought. I was thinking ~2007 but it was actually introduced in ~2005
[23:00] <mfa298> I'd stick with ext on linux. maybe once btrfs becomes stable that'll be worth looking at
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[23:00] * CompanionCube is currently using ZoL after trying XFS/btrfs.
[23:01] <mfa298> I'll keep ZFS for OSes where it's properly supported
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[23:02] <CompanionCube> wouldn't mind giving solaris/illumos a whirl at some point though to try something different
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> I got burned with XFS waay back.
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> but ext3 was on the horizon so I stuck with ext2 until 3 was ready then went for it.
[23:04] <binaryhermit> gordonDrogon: is the X a placehoder for 2,3, and 4 or is extX an actual file system?
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> binaryhermit, placeholder.
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[23:05] <mfa298> xfs seems to be better on linux, although I'm not sure if gives much over ext4 for most users.
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[23:06] <mfa298> smartos (one of the things based on the illumous kernel) is nice for servers if you want to split things up into zones
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[23:07] <gordonDrogon> it gave me nothing but headaches when I tried it - admittedly this was a good number of years back, however the attitudes of the support email list made me dump it.
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[23:34] <Bizzeh> under the pi2's ethernet port, there are 8 small solder points, and 4 larger ones. i assume the 4 larger ones hold the port in place. are the 8 smaller ones where the ports connectors connect up to, which in turn connect to each of the pins?
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[23:34] <localhorst_> hey
[23:34] <localhorst_> how can i clone one pi image from one sd card to another?
[23:35] <localhorst_> src has 16gb, dest has 8gb, but there is enough free space "inside" the image file system
[23:35] <localhorst_> but i did "expand filesystem" from raspi-config
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[23:39] <mfa298> Bizzeh: I don't think it's as simple as that, there's some stuff inside the ethernet jack as well so the pins you see connect to them
[23:40] <Bizzeh> mfa298: crap
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[23:40] <Bizzeh> i was hoping i could just desolder the port, snip a wire, and solder the wire directly to the points
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[23:43] <plugwash> It's pretty common nowadays to build the transformers into the jacks
[23:43] <plugwash> saves board space and makes it easier to pass EMC tests
[23:48] <redrabbit> can you turn off cores to save power on the pi3
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[23:50] <shauno> you can turn off cores, but little evidence it helps; https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=99372
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[23:51] <redrabbit> ah, i tried it on the orange pi zero
[23:51] <redrabbit> from 67°C idle to 40°C
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[23:51] <redrabbit> it must be consuming a lot less
[23:52] <Bizzeh> redrabbit: with the architecture of ARM, if a core isnt being used, it is more or less doing nothing anyway
[23:52] <redrabbit> i reduced frequency as well
[23:52] <redrabbit> maybe that's that
[23:53] <redrabbit> would that help saving power on the pi3?
[23:53] <shauno> underclocking does seem to, I have an underclocked CM3 on a board that won't supply enough power. it's stable underclocked, reboots at full cpu
[23:53] <Bizzeh> lowering the clock will always reduce power
[23:54] <redrabbit> ill try that
[23:54] <Bizzeh> but, if you are worried about saving power on a pi, you are probably using the wrong hardware
[23:54] <redrabbit> i have the dynamic setup that uses the lowest clock on idle
[23:54] <redrabbit> like 100 somethign
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