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IRC Log for 2017-03-18

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[0:02] <shauno> localhorst_: ethernet's shown on the far-right of page3, https://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Raspberry-Pi-R2.0-Schematics-Issue2.2_027.pdf
[0:02] <localhorst_> shauno: ?
[0:02] <shauno> that's from a pretty old pi, but I believe it's still the same magjack. they actually show what's inside the port, to give you an idea of what's actually in there
[0:02] <shauno> localhorst_: sorry, wrong nick :)
[0:02] <shauno> Bizzeh: ^
[0:03] <localhorst_> i want to shrink a rpi .img so i can clone it from a 16gb sd card to a 8gb sd card. is this the right guide to follow? http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-BackUp-and-Shrink-Your-Raspberry-Pi-Image/?ALLSTEPS
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[0:04] <redrabbit> simplest would be
[0:04] <redrabbit> backup card
[0:04] <redrabbit> resize partition with parted
[0:04] <redrabbit> to less than half
[0:04] <redrabbit> then backup that and copy to other card
[0:05] <redrabbit> Gparted*
[0:05] <shauno> I just create a new image that fits, and rsync from one to the other. possibly the least effective but most lazy option
[0:05] <redrabbit> doesnt look lazy :o
[0:05] <redrabbit> i prefer my method
[0:05] <redrabbit> more lazy
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[0:06] <redrabbit> you could skip the backup but that's BAD.
[0:06] <redrabbit> mkay
[0:06] <redrabbit> ^^
[0:06] <shauno> well, I mean write a raspbian image out to the new card. stick both cards in my computer, and rsync from one to the other
[0:07] <redrabbit> complicated
[0:07] <shauno> probably. but intuitive in my head. I've never trusted shrinking partitions
[0:07] <redrabbit> hence the backup
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[0:08] <redrabbit> theres 100 ways to do it
[0:09] <mfa298> I'd stick both sd cards in a different linux machine, partition the new card then rsync.
[0:09] <redrabbit> the instructable way is at least confusing
[0:09] <redrabbit> you stick the first card and resize partition with gparted, plug the second drive and copy the first drive on it
[0:10] <redrabbit> what i do is i use images personally
[0:10] <redrabbit> then i edit the images
[0:11] <localhorst_> so you mean, use gparted on the rpi?
[0:11] <redrabbit> on your other pc
[0:11] <redrabbit> you plug the sd card, run gparted
[0:11] <localhorst_> but wont the image always be the size of the sd card when i do the backup?
[0:12] <redrabbit> its better to do an image of your disk though
[0:12] <localhorst_> no matter how large the partitions are
[0:12] <redrabbit> and mount it with loop
[0:12] <redrabbit> and edit that with gparted
[0:12] <redrabbit> that's proper
[0:12] <redrabbit> guaranteed to work
[0:12] <redrabbit> did it with like 6 sd cards the other days
[0:13] <localhorst_> so i did a backup on my windows pc. i have ubuntu in my virtualbox, so i should mount the image there and then resize the partition with gparted, and that will shrink the .img file?
[0:13] <redrabbit> mount the img as a loop device
[0:13] <redrabbit> then open the device with gparted
[0:13] <localhorst_> and then it will shrink the actual .img file?
[0:14] <redrabbit> sudo udisksctl loop-setup -f disk.img
[0:14] <redrabbit> sudo gparted /dev/loop0
[0:14] <redrabbit> then you need to shave the .img file
[0:15] <localhorst_> redrabbit: and then after i shrunk the .img file with gparted to less than 8gb i can use win32diskimager to copy that new <8 gb .img to the new 8gb sd card and do "expand file sysyem" to the full 8gb?
[0:15] <redrabbit> fdisk -l /storage/1
[0:15] <redrabbit> truncate --size=$[(3688447+1)*512] /storage/1
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[0:15] <redrabbit> /storage/1 is the .img file
[0:15] <redrabbit> 3688447 < you need to change this
[0:16] <redrabbit> to value you get from 1st command
[0:16] <localhorst_> that will shave it?
[0:16] <redrabbit> yea
[0:16] <localhorst_> so just copy the number from fdisk -l ?
[0:16] <redrabbit> youll see
[0:18] <redrabbit> what is good with with is you can image your cards from any platform to your nas
[0:18] <redrabbit> then edit the images with gparted with x over ssh from the nas
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[0:19] <localhorst_> redrabbit: do i only have to shrink the largest partition in gparted?
[0:19] <redrabbit> all that in a 5 command lines packages
[0:19] <redrabbit> and nothing to remember
[0:19] <redrabbit> localhorst_: yeah
[0:20] <redrabbit> and its an image, so you cant screw up
[0:20] <redrabbit> it actually is the safest way to do this
[0:21] <redrabbit> i tried to use parted and do it all cli in the past
[0:21] <redrabbit> you can do everything but 1/ waste time 2/ more error prone
[0:22] <localhorst_> USB device 'JMicron Technology Corp. / JMicron USA Technology Corp.' with UUID {...} is busy with a previous request. Please try again later.
[0:22] <localhorst_> dafuque?
[0:22] <localhorst_> why cant i attach my disk to virtualbox?
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[0:22] <localhorst_> Result Code:
[0:22] <localhorst_> E_INVALIDARG (0x80070057)
[0:23] <redrabbit> #vbox ?
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[0:36] <localhorst_> redrabbit: can i also do this?: use gparted in virtualbox to shrink the ext4 partition on the original sd card, then do a backup img file and copy that to the new sd card?
[0:37] <redrabbit> if you shave the image yes
[0:37] <localhorst_> redrabbit: the same as above?
[0:38] <localhorst_> so this?: truncate --size=$[(N+1)*512] /storage/1
[0:38] <localhorst_> where N is the occupied space from fdisk -l ?
[0:40] <redrabbit> yes
[0:43] <redrabbit> so the otg port on the pi0 is it essentially like a normal usb port with another connector ?
[0:43] <redrabbit> like its not even otg
[0:44] <redrabbit> but we use otg adapters
[0:44] <redrabbit> anyone can confirm ?
[0:45] <plugwash> the port is certainly capable of operating in both host and device modes
[0:45] <plugwash> though I dunno if it supports the fancier bits of OTG that noone bothers with
[0:45] <redrabbit> ah yeah like you can plug it in another PC
[0:45] <redrabbit> right
[0:45] <redrabbit> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1yke8LVXXXXblXVXXq6xXFXXXe/fat1337ducks.jpg
[0:46] <redrabbit> i got theses
[0:46] <redrabbit> and im gonna make an adapter to plug a mini usb wifi card to my pi0w
[0:46] <redrabbit> with an old mini usb cable i have around
[0:46] <redrabbit> sound work fine i guess. i need to figure out which contact is which pin
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[0:47] <redrabbit> the original usb cable + otg adapter is way too bulky
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[0:48] <redrabbit> even though its the tiniest otg adaptersyou can find
[0:48] <redrabbit> the usb plug itself is way to big
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[0:50] <[Ex0r]> Hello. I have a python script set in rc.local to run on startup, and it doesn't appear to be working. The script simply tells the raspberry pi to enable two pins on its GPIO to turn on a couple of LEDS. Could somebody offer me some insight on why it doesnt work?
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[0:51] <[Ex0r]> Oh, nevermind, it is working, but it's delayed. Is there a way I can move it closer to the start of the boot sequence?
[0:54] <localhorst_> redrabbit: if the disk succeeds to be attached to vbox, it should appear under /mnt, right?
[0:54] <localhorst_> or /media?
[0:55] <redrabbit> lsblk
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[0:55] <localhorst_> redrabbit: why not /media or /mnt?
[0:56] <redrabbit> it assumes auto mount
[0:56] <redrabbit> i dont use dists with auto mount
[0:56] <localhorst_> redrabbit: doesnt ubuntu auto mount?
[0:56] <redrabbit> i use lsblk to see what is mounted anyway
[0:56] <redrabbit> use that
[0:58] <localhorst_> redrabbit: when i click on attach, it doesnt do anything, and the checkmark doesnt appear in that vbox menu next to the device (which it would if it was attached successfully). but if try to attach it again, it says "device busy with previous request". always. why?
[0:58] <redrabbit> use a pc with real linux
[0:58] <localhorst_> is it because its a dual disk raid drive?
[0:58] <redrabbit> usb over vbox in windows sucks ass
[0:59] <localhorst_> redrabbit: i only have windows
[0:59] <localhorst_> :/
[0:59] <redrabbit> live usb with gparted
[0:59] <redrabbit> problem solved
[0:59] <localhorst_> does it have drivers to read sd cards and ntfs hard drives?
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[1:00] <redrabbit> i don't know
[1:00] <localhorst_> redrabbit: so in gparted live cd, mount the external disk where the .img file is, then mount that img file as loopback device ?
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[1:01] <redrabbit> trial and error will get you anywhere you want
[1:01] <redrabbit> ;)
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[1:07] <vanta_black> Hello!
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[1:31] <vanta_black> Hey there!
[1:31] <vanta_black> I have a question
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[1:32] <vanta_black> I just installed the newest version of Raspbian on my R Pi and I get this error when trying to SSH into it: "ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.10 port 22: No route to host"
[1:32] <vanta_black> Can anybody help me out?
[1:33] <kerio> vanta_black: sshd has been disabled by default if the default password is not changed
[1:33] <kerio> you can enable it for one boot by putting a blank file called "ssh" in the boot partition
[1:33] <vanta_black> Ah, alright! Many thanks!
[1:33] <kerio> (so you can login and change the password and make raspbian happy)
[1:33] <mfa298> "no route to host" would suggest thats not the ip the pi is listening on
[1:33] <kerio> oh, that too
[1:34] <dtype> or whatever host you're trying to ssh from isn't on that range or can't route to it
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[1:37] <rikk> Hello. I was reading about random numbers generators in raspberry pi, looks like A/B and 2 include a hardware based random number generator. Can anyone confirm if raspberrypi 3 also contains such hardware? And any info about it? Many thanks
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[1:49] <vanta_black> Hello!
[1:50] <vanta_black> Back with more SSH troubles, unfortunately
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[1:50] <vanta_black> Putting a blank file named "ssh" in the /boot/ directory didn't help, so I manually "raspi-config" things to enable SSh. But now I get this error instead https://paste.ee/p/1kOak
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[1:51] <dtype> vanta_black: just means that at some point you ssh'd to a machine with the same IP and different ssh key
[1:51] <dtype> if you're ok that this is a different machine than previously, then edit ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[1:52] <dtype> and delete the line for 192.168.0.10
[1:52] <vanta_black> Ahh yeah, edit that file on my Pi right?
[1:52] <dtype> again, if you're fine with the fact that the ssh key has changed for this IP you're trying to connect to (pretty common when you're playing with this kind of thing. You might be more concerned if this message came up on a server that you connect to that should not have had its key changed.)
[1:53] <dtype> edit the file on the machine you're connecting *from*
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[1:53] <dtype> that machine is saying it doesn't trust the thing it is ssh-ing to, so have to remove the old line from your known_hosts file, so that it is again unknown, and the new key from the new target will be added once you connect
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[1:54] <vanta_black> So from my Manjaro laptop? I can't find the /ssh/ directory anywhere lol
[1:54] <dtype> in your home directory, there's a ".ssh" (with the dot)
[1:55] <dtype> and a known_hosts file in that directory
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[1:55] <vanta_black> I don't see one lol
[1:55] <dtype> you can also just try adding this to your ssh command for now
[1:55] <dtype> "ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no"
[1:55] <dtype> see if it lets you connect then
[1:57] <dtype> btw the full path to that file with the old host key is: /home/david/.ssh/known_hosts
[1:57] <dtype> per your error message
[1:57] <vanta_black> lol I just got this when I tried that command https://paste.ee/p/jH5zc
[1:58] <vanta_black> Found the known_hosts file! Many thanks!
[1:58] <dtype> although even deleting that line, you still may not get in as it looks like password auth may not be on for the pi.
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[1:58] <dtype> ah nm
[1:58] <dtype> just delete that line in known_hosts and try again
[1:59] <vanta_black> It worked! Many thanks!
[1:59] <kerio> dtype: `ssh-keygen -R 192.168.0.10`
[1:59] <vanta_black> Uh well
[1:59] <kerio> >:(
[1:59] <vanta_black> Oo
[1:59] <vanta_black> Maybe it doesn't work completely lol
[1:59] <vanta_black> I misspoke aah
[1:59] <dtype> ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null
[2:00] <dtype> although correct thing is to just delete old known_hosts entry if that was just an old install
[2:00] <kerio> vanta_black: what does it say now?
[2:00] <kerio> the correct thing is to run ssh-keygen -R 192.168.0.10
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[2:01] <vanta_black> Just being wonky in general, I think I maybe got it though lol I'll be back if I have any issues
[2:03] <rikk> do anyone know if raspberrypi has the same hardware random number generator as the previous models? and if you can use that source to your ssh keys?
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[2:08] <dtype> rikk: don't know. can get my pi 3b out and see in about an hour when I get home, if nobody else answers or it isn't available definitively somewhere
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[2:08] <rikk> ok, many thanks dtype :)
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[2:52] <netham45> How reasonable is it to use an RPi Zero to emulate a game controller? Looking to emulate the OG Xbox controllers which are USB 1. End goal is to use input off of a serial line to control the fake controller.
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[2:53] <netham45> Which, I can handle getting the data from the serial port to something I can use easily enough but I've never done anything even close to writing an OTG USB client driver.
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[2:55] <Sonny_Jim> I thought that they weren't quite USB
[2:55] <Sonny_Jim> Data lines swapped or something like that
[2:55] <plugwash> The original xbox was USB on a nonstandard connector
[2:55] <netham45> Sonny_Jim, nah, you can hook them to a PC if you hack the cable to a USB cable.
[2:56] <netham45> plugwash, yup. You can even connect USB drives to it if you're running a modded Xbox.
[2:56] <netham45> Heck, you can run Linux on them with full USB.
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[2:56] <plugwash> there was an extra wire too but iirc it wasn't actually used by the controllers (I forget what it was, may have been vsync for lightguns or something)
[2:57] <netham45> 5V, Data1, Data2, VSync, Ground
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[3:00] <netham45> I dug my old Xbox out a couple days ago but only one of my controllers still work and it's wired. I want to build a "wireless" one I can control from an X360 controller linked to my PC, have it send the data to an RPi which uses the serial link to talk to an RPi Zero which would then control it. I know how to do everything but the USB emulation.
[3:01] <Sonny_Jim> Euurgh
[3:01] <Sonny_Jim> Latency issues abound
[3:02] <netham45> You might be remembering the original Xbox as a smoother gaming experience than it actually was. :P
[3:03] <netham45> Anyways, that's just temporary. If it works right I'm going to just plug a 360 wireless adapter into the RPi that controls the Zero.
[3:03] <netham45> I'm hoping I can make the Zero emulate 4 controllers but I don't know if the Xbox will allow that on one port.
[3:03] * plugwash can't help but think you would be better off with something like a beaglebone black
[3:04] <plugwash> which can do USB host and device at the same time
[3:04] <netham45> I probably would be but I've already got the RPis from a previous project.
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[3:08] <Sonny_Jim> Well, I know quite a bit about hacking up controllers
[3:09] * BurtyB slaps ali1234 oh no it's one of those weird scrolling websites that breaks my brain, but other than that :D (p.s. you've prob seen mine so you know I'm the wrong person to ask lol)
[3:09] <Sonny_Jim> Add up the latencies involved, if it's more than 16ms you'll have latency
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[3:10] <Sonny_Jim> Personally, if it's a wireless Xbox360 controller you want, ditch the two Pi's and put a couple of Xbees in there instead (or something similar)
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[3:11] <netham45> Sonny_Jim, my plan was to have my RPi2 poll the 360 controller however fast it can and send updates to the Zero whenever something changes over a serial link
[3:12] <netham45> And the Zero would contain the current state
[3:12] <Sonny_Jim> But, if it's USB, you can't actually change the poll speed
[3:12] <Sonny_Jim> You basically are making a USB 1 wireless bridge, right?
[3:14] <netham45> I suppose my end goal is 360 controller (Wireless)> 360 Wireless Receiver (USB)> RPi 2 (Serial)> RPi Zero (USB)> Xbox.
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[3:14] <netham45> The 360 controller adapter is USB2
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[3:15] <ball> netham45: What would be the purpose of such a convoluted arrangement?
[3:16] <ball> ...is the Pi Zero in "gadget mode"?
[3:16] <netham45> ball, play original xbox with a good wireless controller?
[3:16] <netham45> ball, yea.
[3:17] <ball> Hmm... well, it's different. Are you using a Rasbperry Pi 2 just because you happen to have one?
[3:17] <netham45> Yea.
[3:17] <netham45> Same for the Zero.
[3:17] * ball nods
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[3:18] <ball> I thought perhaps a pair of Zeros might be tidier.
[3:18] <ball> ...if you're using what you have to hand though, that's understandable.
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[3:18] <netham45> I might go pick another Zero up if Microcenter isn't out
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[3:20] <ball> Hello risc!
[3:21] <Qatz> Net147: W or $5?
[3:21] <netham45> $5, probably.
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[3:21] <netham45> They look to have it in stock
[3:21] <Qatz> I have a $5, been wanting a W
[3:21] <Qatz> It's a pretty good stick
[3:22] <dtype> rikk: ever get an answer, or find one?
[3:22] <ball> Qatz: You've just reminded me that Gumstix was a thing.
[3:23] <rikk> hey, nope, the sources i found only refer to raspA/B and 2 https://sites.google.com/site/astudyofentropy/project-definition/raspberry-pi-internal-hardware-random-number-generator
[3:23] <rikk> http://fios.sector16.net/hardware-rng-on-raspberry-pi/
[3:23] <netham45> Qatz, I actually got my Zero for a friend who never came and picked it up so I haven't actually turned it on yet, but I've got about a half-dozen RPi 2's that are awesome.
[3:24] <dtype> rikk: firing up my 3b. Running kali on it but it might have a kernel that would see the hardware rng
[3:24] <Qatz> I wish I could get a good real time OS for the pi0
[3:24] <netham45> And I've got a spare RPi2 from an old project
[3:24] <Qatz> pi0 is awesome for embedding
[3:24] <rikk> thank you dtype
[3:24] <Qatz> And real time makes a big difference
[3:25] <netham45> Qatz, yea, it looked pretty cool. I built a bunch of little boxes that let me control my lights with the RPi 2's.
[3:26] <netham45> RPi controls an LED on one of the GPIO pins, the LED is directly in front of an outdoor light sensor which controls an outlet.
[3:26] <rikk> can you see /proc/cpuinfo and check if it has the rng flag dtype ?
[3:26] <dtype> rikk: it is the bcm2708, correct?
[3:26] <dtype> [ 0.151618] bcm2708-dmaengine 3f007000.dma: DMA legacy API manager at f3007000, dmachans=0xf35
[3:26] <Qatz> rikai: Who?
[3:27] <dtype> rikk: I don't have the rng flag but that might not be in my kernel
[3:28] <dtype> rikk: I do seem to have /dev/hwrng
[3:28] <rikk> yeah but that could be feed by pseudo random
[3:28] <rikk> i think it's the bcm2837 tho
[3:28] <dtype> rikk: and I have this module loaded
[3:28] <dtype> bcm2835_rng 1778 0
[3:29] <dtype> and this in dmesg:
[3:29] <dtype> [ 21.621634] bcm2835-rng 3f104000.rng: hwrng registered
[3:30] <dtype> that's on a pi 3b that showed up from canakit about 2 weeks ago
[3:30] <rikk> hum ok! many thanks dtype. I think the only way to really know it is to fire up some tests. Many thanks dtype
[3:31] <dtype> rikk: bcm2835 does seem to be a hardware rng from what the kernel driver labels it
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[3:32] <dtype> and from my brief online search
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[3:33] <rikk> nice. yeah it was just because all the sources reffer to pi 1 and 2. i need to check the documentation yeah
[3:33] <rikk> many thanks dtype
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[3:39] <dtype> rikk: is at least random-ish at a glance and a quick test
[3:39] <dtype> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ZM2sBIsF/
[3:40] <rikk> sweet
[3:40] <rikk> many thanks dtype :D
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[3:43] <dtype> what else should I be doing on a Friday night other than running randomness tests against a pi sitting on the floor
[3:43] <Sonny_Jim> Have a cup of tea
[3:43] <Sonny_Jim> Play some pinball
[3:43] <Sonny_Jim> erm
[3:43] <ball> Sonny_Jim: Always a good plan, that.
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[3:44] <rikk> ahaha dtype if i ever see you i'll buy you a beer :P
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[3:45] <rikk> anyway, i just feed the geek spirit inside you about a curious thing :P
[3:45] <dtype> rikk: I'll take it. I'm in the land of silicon valley, where a conversation about such things is fairly normal to overhear at a grocery store.
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[3:47] <rikk> really? ahaha i can only imagine a bunch of Sheldon's talking about that stuff... and the grocery guy just like: "ohhh the nerds these days, after so many years i fail to understand what the hell they talking about"
[3:48] <hmoney> rogue one is available for download as of an hour ago or so
[3:49] <hmoney> ON BLURAY AND DIGITAL HD of course :x
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[3:49] * ball can play Rogue in an xterm.
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[3:50] * hmoney admits he's been watching the powerranger reruns on twitch
[3:50] <hmoney> half nostalgia, half cringe, all awesome -.-
[3:51] <dtype> ball should be in #nethack too then
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[3:52] * ball grins
[3:52] <Sonny_Jim> The pink ranger is a dude!
[3:52] <Sonny_Jim> /s
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[3:52] <rikk> you can't really watch power ranger without destroying the child sweet memory you had of it... some things are better if you don't see them again xD
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[3:53] <rikk> exceptions for dragon ball of course :P
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[3:53] * ball used to watch The Wombles.
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[4:54] <Sonny_Jim> I never thought I would see the day where theregister.co.uk would be getting more comments on their articles than Slashdot
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[6:37] <Crom> Sonny_Jim, hehe...
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[11:51] <j4ckcom> what is bitmapped graphics? this is related with pi?
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[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> in what context
[11:54] <j4ckcom> what is bitmapped graphics?
[11:55] <humbot> like, patterns programmed on an array of leds ?
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[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> joethei: ... it's literally a map of bits
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> a complete grid of an image
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[12:11] <BurtyB> HrdwrBoB, probably more of a map of bytes these days as people like things in colour
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[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> well yeah
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[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> but the concept is the same
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[13:15] <pitastrudl> https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/17/03/17/2032225/raspberry-pi-becomes-third-best-selling-general-purpose-computer-of-all-time-beating-commodore-64
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[13:31] <hypermist> hmm what to do with my pi0 w
[13:37] <pksato> send it to me. :)
[13:37] <hypermist> nooo
[13:37] <pitastrudl> no, send it to me
[13:38] <hypermist> Noo
[13:38] <hypermist> ill send you my pi1b :P
[13:40] <pitastrudl> ok
[13:42] <hypermist> lol
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[13:43] <hypermist> *hoard his pi0's
[13:44] <mfa298> I'd hang onto the pi1b, they're getting rarer than zeros :p
[13:45] <ShorTie> hyperair, try '/me hoards his pi0's'
[13:45] <hypermist> ShorTie, i know :p but i did it that way :P
[13:46] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[13:46] <hypermist> i have 5 pi0s doing nothing and 1 pi0w also doing nothing
[13:46] <hypermist> L:ol
[13:46] <hypermist> I've literally just been hoarding them for a bit haha
[13:46] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[13:46] <HrdwrBoB> I just bought a 7" display for mine
[13:46] <hypermist> i had a pi3 till the cat peed on it and it went bewm
[13:47] <HrdwrBoB> should git in my hole better
[13:47] <HrdwrBoB> *fit
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[13:47] <HrdwrBoB> http://imgur.com/saq6yRA
[13:48] <hypermist> heh
[13:48] <HrdwrBoB> and the inputs aren't on the side, which obviously I have no clearance for
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[13:50] <HrdwrBoB> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/191887834100?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[13:51] <hypermist> looks nice
[13:51] <hypermist> *book marks*
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[13:51] <hypermist> yay for shipping to nz hahah
[13:54] <hyperair> hypermist: wow you're causing mispings here as well \o/
[13:54] <hypermist> hyperair, ikr \o/
[13:54] <hypermist> sucks for you XD
[13:55] <hyperair> hahahah
[13:55] <hypermist> hows life ;D
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[13:57] <hyperair> good, i spent the day 3d printing at fossasia
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[13:59] <hypermist> nice
[14:00] <hypermist> im trying to fidn stuff to print
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[14:34] <smurfendrek123> Will there be raspberry pi's based on armv8? And what about a pi zero based on armv7/8?
[14:34] <Lartza> smurfendrek123, rpi3 is armv8
[14:35] <smurfendrek123> Ah, cool
[14:36] <smurfendrek123> will there a pi zero with armv7 or 8?
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[14:43] <Lartza> armv8 doesn't make much sense, even the rpi3 runs armv7 stuff due to drivers
[14:43] <Lartza> But honestly I don't know
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[16:45] <Encrypt> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pi-zero-ali-keychain--2#/
[16:45] <Encrypt> Looks good
[16:46] <oq> looks horrid no offence
[16:47] <oq> I don't understand how some people can attach such gigantic weights to their keychains, like swiss army knives
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[16:48] <Encrypt> oq, I wouldn't put that on my keychain
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[16:49] <oq> Encrypt: but its a "keychain case"
[16:49] <Encrypt> But that's a sturdy case to take a pi anywhere
[16:49] <GenteelBen> Looks like a weight for a nipple clamp/chain.
[16:49] <Encrypt> oq, I'd leave it in a backpack
[16:49] <GenteelBen> I'd leave it in my car.
[16:49] <oq> plastic is pretty sturdy
[16:50] <oq> especially compared to aluminium
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[16:58] <GenteelBen> Are you in the business of using your RPi as a knuckle duster?
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[17:14] <Shena> Erm, hello?
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[17:15] <brainzap> hellu
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[17:15] <ldsh> Hi, I did configured a long time ago (several years) my raspberry-pi to have a static IP. I recently changed of internet provider and they changed the box. Since, it seems I have a DNS problem: ping 8.8.8.8 works, but not ping google.com.
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[17:16] <Chillum> when you set the static IP you probably set a static DNS too
[17:17] <ldsh> I tried to add the line "dns-nameservers ip1 ip2" with the DNS IP I have on this computer (working in DHCP, I just copied the numbers)
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[17:17] <ldsh> (in /etc/network/interfaces )
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[17:20] <ldsh> Chillum, What I don't get is why the line I added (then reboot) did not help, and why I did not needed to set the DNS with the previous router?
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[17:22] <ldsh> Chillum, Here is my /etc/network/interfaces file: http://pastebin.com/AwBPvCbm
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[17:23] <Chillum> I don't know, I have always just let DHCP setup my network
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[17:23] <Chillum> and told my router to assign a static IP
[17:23] <brainzap> a reserved DHCP ip
[17:25] <Encrypt> ldsh, If you're using the latest Rasbian, you should probably edit /etc/dhcpcd.conf
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[17:25] <Encrypt> Raspbian*
[17:26] <ldsh> And here are some settings of my working connection (from my main computer, not the rpi): http://pastebin.com/PU7UvdYnµ
[17:26] <Encrypt> https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/5181/static-dns-with-dhcp-on-raspbian
[17:27] <ldsh> Encrypt, I don't know if it is the latest, I downloaded a long time ago, and just makes the updates (apt update, dist-upgrade and rpi-update)
[17:28] <mfa298> ldsh: if it's more than a couple of years old you'll have wheezy which doesn't get much (if any updates) now
[17:28] <ldsh> mfa298, I have wheezy
[17:28] <mfa298> it might be worth starting with a new raspbian image (and you won't need to use rpi-update with jessie)
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[17:30] <ldsh> mfa298, Probably if jessie is compatible with all raspberry-pi versions.
[17:31] <ldsh> mfa298, Main issue will be to configure again to my needs (will have to remember what was needed ^^)
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[18:31] <Gadgetoid> Room moors of my deaf have bean grating elasticated!
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[18:37] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: i'm having a critical labelling failure :(
[18:37] <Gadgetoid> Ruh roh ali1234 :(
[18:37] <ali1234> the labels won't stick to the bags
[18:38] <Gadgetoid> Doooooh! Crappy adhesive or weird bags?
[18:38] <ali1234> i think it is the bags
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[18:38] <ali1234> i stuck one of my labels on one of your silver bags and it seems... a bit better
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[18:38] <ali1234> might just need time to cure
[18:39] <Gadgetoid> Our labels stick like proverbial to a blanket, not sure what they are, but they're definitely sticky
[18:39] <ali1234> i was going to do the "fold over" thing
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[18:40] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, sealing up the top?
[18:40] <ali1234> yeah
[18:40] <ali1234> but with the fold, the label tends to spring open
[18:40] <ali1234> before it has properly stuck
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[18:40] <ali1234> after about an hour they seem to stick okay
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[18:41] <ali1234> but since i already filled 200 bags
[18:41] <ali1234> they are now not flat, so i'll have to empty them out to stck labels on the main bit
[18:41] <Gadgetoid> Zoiks, bulldog clips, or a pile of books to keep the edge crimped?
[18:42] <ali1234> might have to yeah
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[18:53] <franckapik> hi !
[18:54] <franckapik> i would like to understand... I have installed influxdb (a database) on my rpi... it says that if i put the adress localhost:3000 i will go to the HTML api (webpage)... but it does nothing!?
[18:54] <franckapik> what i can do for this?
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[18:55] <franckapik> i havn't precised that because i have the jessie lite, i use ssh and type the IP adress on other machine ...
[18:55] <franckapik> is there some iptable or something like this to configurate ?
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[19:04] <sbeex> hello guys
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[19:07] <sbeex> I am trying to receive some RF 433mhz signals with my raspberry pi. But no way... is there at least an analog input in raspi 3 ? thank you
[19:07] <akk> Is there a known problem with updating from mirrordirector.raspbian.org? I'm getting hangs trying to connect to mirror.sjc02.svwh.net
[19:07] <akk> where it works fine if I change sources.list to point to a specific mirror.
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[19:08] <mfa298> franckapik: you might need to set something in it's config so it listens to remote hosts, alternatively look at setting up ssh tunnels if you wwant to access it from a remote machine
[19:08] <franckapik> hum thank you mfa298 !
[19:09] <franckapik> i will looking for this...
[19:09] <mfa298> sbeex: no analogue inputs in the pi, but depending on the rf signal there might be ways to do it on a pi
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[19:16] <ali1234> sbeex: get a rtl-sdr, they are perfect for 433MHz
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[19:31] <sbeex> mfa298: okay i'm surprise ^^ i come from arduino world and well it make sense raspi is more "a computer" :)
[19:31] <sbeex> thank you for your answer
[19:32] <sbeex> ali1234: I have those : http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_399919_3.jpg
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[19:33] <sbeex> it works pretty well for my needs but well if raspi cannot receive their infos..
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[19:34] <mfa298> I think people have used those on the Pi, personally I prefer modules that connect over spi, takes a bit more code, but they work much better
[19:35] <sbeex> mfa298: they use it only to send signal (not to receive)
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[19:36] <sbeex> in my case I simply want something really cheap I want to do a kind of "sensor box PI" connected with wireless sensors
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[19:36] <sbeex> esp8266 could be a good choice too but... with dynamic ip it takes long to connect after sleep so I don't know
[19:37] <sbeex> mfa298: what do you talk about as spi rf modules ? do you have some references I could look at ?
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[19:37] <mfa298> I've used things like the rfm69 (although I'm using the 868mhz modules rather than 434)
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[19:40] <sbeex> ah price fit my needs ! :)
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[19:41] <mgottschlag> depending on the range, NRF24L01 might work as well
[19:41] <sbeex> I will have a look on it thank you mfa298 !
[19:41] <sbeex> I need 2-20meters
[19:42] <sbeex> yep I was looking at it too mgottschlag ! Danke
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[19:45] <mgottschlag> I plan to build some sensor nodes with the NRF24LE1 - it's basically a L01, with an integrated 8051 microcontroller
[19:45] <vmonteco_> Hello!
[19:45] <mgottschlag> hi
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[19:45] <Chillum> sounds fun
[19:46] <sbeex> mgottschlag: you mean without arduino direct the rf module + the microcontroller ? could be cheaper maybe I should take a look too ^^
[19:46] <vmonteco_> I was wondering : what ArchARM image should I use with a pi Zero?
[19:46] <vmonteco_> And is there an Image I could use for both rpi3 and pi Zero?
[19:47] <mgottschlag> if you aren't experienced with microcontrollers, exotic 8051s probably aren't the best platform though :)
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[19:48] <mgottschlag> and I don't know whether an atmega would provide lower idle power when the radio is disabled... so that depends on how much battery capacity your nodes have
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[19:49] <sbeex> mgottschlag: stupid question maybe but.. is there an auto adressing system for those nrf24 ?
[19:50] <sbeex> (or I have to set up manually a static adress)
[19:50] <mgottschlag> hm, no, there isn't any... but implementing one would probably be fairly simple
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[19:50] <mgottschlag> the clients create a random address at startup, and then broadcast a base station discovery packet
[19:50] <sbeex> ok so there is "communication protocol" out of the box
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[19:51] <sbeex> perfect ;)
[19:51] <sbeex> I want to build some kind of "mesh" network
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[19:55] <mgottschlag> are your nodes battery powered?
[19:56] <sbeex> yes
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[19:56] <sbeex> so power consumption is a high factor
[19:57] <mgottschlag> then mesh networks and anything where the base station sends data to other nodes require careful planning of your MAC layer strategy
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[19:57] <mgottschlag> you want the radio to be powered off as much as possible
[19:58] <mgottschlag> e.g., if data is sent only rarely, low power listening is a good strategy
[19:58] <mgottschlag> https://image.slidesharecdn.com/macprotocolssensor20071105slideshare-150118194822-conversion-gate02/95/mac-protocols-sensor20071105slideshare-26-638.jpg?cb=1421610571
[19:59] <sbeex> exactly I had in idea to try : 1) determine if A send a message to the pi if he has to pass to another node to do that ? if yes -> he register it and then directly talk to him and sync some kind of "wake up" ^^ and else simply sleep and wake when he wants
[19:59] <mgottschlag> where the sender sends a long preamble before sending the packet, and the receiver wakes up only periodically to check whether it has to stay awake for incoming data
[19:59] <mfa298> sbeex: you might also find https://ukhas.net/ interesting, that's using the rfm69 on various microcontrollers and SBCs
[19:59] <sbeex> (the receiver is always up)
[20:00] <mgottschlag> yeah, the synchronization of the "wake up" is the difficult part
[20:01] <mgottschlag> the S-MAC protocol is something where all nodes are synchronized and are awake at the same time, but only a small fraction of the total time
[20:01] <mgottschlag> and that link looks interesting as well... didn't know there were cheap existing mesh solutions
[20:02] <sbeex> tons of things to read guys haha :)
[20:02] <sbeex> thank you
[20:03] <mgottschlag> btw, the original protocol where low-power listening was described is named "B-MAC"
[20:03] <mgottschlag> (I once had to learn all that stuff for an IoT lecture)
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[20:06] <sbeex> mgottschlag: 2016 NRF24l01 RF24l01+ Wifi Wireless Module Wireless Communication Module Wireless Transceiver Module Built-in 2.4GHz antenna
[20:06] <sbeex> is it WIFI ? or just rf ?
[20:06] <mgottschlag> no wifi :)
[20:06] <mgottschlag> note that the RFM69 might have higher range, due to the lower frequency
[20:06] <sbeex> ok :) aliexpress bullshit :D
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[20:07] <sbeex> rfm cost more
[20:07] <sbeex> and need an external antenna as far as i know
[20:07] <mgottschlag> nrf24l01 modules exist with variying quality grades btw
[20:08] <mfa298> you may need to find your local regulations as well, the frequencies / bands you can use vary by country and also the power / duty cycles
[20:08] <mgottschlag> most modules out there don't use genuine Nordic chips at all :)
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[20:09] <sbeex> yes would be interesting
[20:09] <sbeex> and just a small and last question :D
[20:09] <sbeex> SPI is numeric or analog ?
[20:09] <mgottschlag> the biggest problem though is that some manufacturers even leave out some crucial external components to save cost
[20:09] <mgottschlag> digital
[20:09] <sbeex> ok perfect !
[20:10] <mfa298> SPI is a digital connection, there's a interface for it on the pi and most microcontrollers
[20:10] <sbeex> seems good :)
[20:10] <mfa298> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Peripheral_Interface_Bus
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[20:20] <Younder> there are 4 types of hardare interface GPIO, I2C, CPI and UART
[20:20] <Younder> hardware
[20:21] <Younder> and SPI
[20:21] <mgottschlag> ... and I2S.
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[20:22] <mfa298> and one wire
[20:22] <Younder> Adafruit has a lot on info on how to use SPI and I2C with hardware.
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[20:22] <sbeex> I just bought the stuff no I have to wait for 3 weeks :(
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[20:24] <Younder> I hook it up to a A/D (reads analog values, like a temperature sensor) converter, a GPS module and a IMU (magnetometer, gyroscope and accelerometer)
[20:24] <mgottschlag> hm. here, there are quite some local resellers on ebay with reasonable prices :)
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[20:26] <mgottschlag> hm, not many though
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[20:29] <Younder> Adafuit tests all their stuff so it works with RasPi and has good tutorials. They cost a bit more though. Still worth it for the hassle they save
[20:30] <Younder> Bying from China is the cheapest. But you had better know what you are doing.
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[20:31] <Younder> bitinbox sells stuff for instance
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[20:32] <Younder> But if you don't know crap from granola don't go there
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[20:35] <sbeex> mgottschlag: I live in europe everything cost too much compare to ebay and aliexpress.. adafruit is cool too I tested one or two thing but same exists on aliexpress
[20:35] <sbeex> I never had any problems with a chinese founduino or sensor..
[20:35] <sbeex> all electronic component are done in china btw ^^
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[20:38] <BurtyB> that might be going a little too far ;)
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[20:44] <Younder> arudino is made in Italy and the Pi in England (and yes also China)
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[20:44] <mfa298> for some of the radio modules it's sometimes worth looking at other places than just ebay.
[20:45] <Younder> Still made in China decorates a lot of my circuits.
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[20:48] <Younder> My FPGA board comes from Electronic City, Bangalore , India. (Numato waxwing)
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[20:49] <Younder> Still Shijiazhuang is where it is happening these days.
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[20:50] <localhorst_> hey
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[20:50] <localhorst_> is it possible to start a dhcp server on eth0?
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[21:10] <dtype> localhorst_: generically yes, although if you're doing that you're probably wanting to further actually provide networking/routing. Are you sure you want a server? or are you just trying to grab an ip?
[21:10] <localhorst_> dtype: i want to give an ip to the device on the other end of the ethernet cable
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[21:12] <dtype> localhorst_: just for communication between the two devices? or are you expecting the other device to also share your internet?
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[21:15] <localhorst_> dtype: no, just to communicate with it
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[21:19] <dtype> localhorst_: if you're running some linux, should be a matter of installing some dhcpd and doing a minimal config
[21:19] <dtype> ubuntu has a nice writeup: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/dhcp.html
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[21:20] <dtype> so may be some other package on your distro, but try "apt-cache search dhcpd" and see what shows up as an option. Probably just a matter of installing and doing basic config per that link.
[21:20] <localhorst_> dtype: is it easier to configure the device to have a static ip? can i choose any?
[21:20] <dtype> yep, you can just choose something
[21:20] <dtype> as long as nothing else on that network you'd conflict with.
[21:20] <dtype> and yes, easier to just use a couple of static ips if you're just doing some basic lan communication
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[21:26] <localhorst_> dtype: so i should choose a static ip in the range 169.254.X.X ?
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[21:27] <dtype> localhorst_: that's the range that some machines are configured to self provision if they don't have any other IP statically assigned or available over dhcp. You could put the other machine on that range, or pick a couple of IPs in any other range designed for internal use
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[21:27] <dtype> 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x are two big ranges designed for this
[21:27] <localhorst_> dtype: designed by whom for internal use?
[21:27] <dtype> you kind of get to pick for your own network
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[21:28] <dtype> localhorst_: there are ranges that won't be used for the internet routing ever, those 2 and another 172. one
[21:28] <localhorst_> dtype: so any ip will work, and the pi will just accept it?
[21:29] <dtype> yep, but best to pick a couple from the "internal" ranges, so that if you ever give things internet access, things will still work
[21:29] <dtype> but yeah, on your own internal network, you could actually pick anything
[21:29] <mfa298> localhorst_: 192.168/16 and 10/8 and 172.16/12 (i think) are defined in rfc1918
[21:29] <localhorst_> dtype: and then i dont need to run dhcpd, right?
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[21:29] <dtype> nope
[21:29] <localhorst_> do i need to run something else?
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[21:30] <dtype> if you give 2 machines ips in the same subnet and plug them into the same switch, they should be able to talk to each other
[21:30] <dtype> best practice to use ranges designed for internal use, which are the 192.168.x.x, 172.16.x.x, and 10.x.x.x ranges
[21:31] <localhorst_> this should be deployed in the wild (we are extending industrial devices with more capabilities / our own software). so when the pi restarts it should connect automatically
[21:32] <localhorst_> dtype: do i need to run something when the pi boots?
[21:32] <dtype> well, if it has to connect to anything, have to make sure that the things it connects to are in the same subnet and switch, or you have to consider normal routing from there (such as internet routing access)
[21:32] <localhorst_> so that the devices ip will be in the pi's arp table
[21:32] <dtype> shouldn't
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[21:33] <localhorst_> or will it automatically ping the device on the other end of any network interface and insert their addresses into the arp table?
[21:33] <dtype> device 1) ifconfig eth0 10.1.1.10
[21:33] <dtype> device 2) ifconfig eth0 10.1.1.11
[21:33] <dtype> and if they're plugged into the same switch, you should be able to reach one from the other
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[21:33] <localhorst_> dtype: there is no switch
[21:33] <dtype> if you need it to survive reboot, then will have to configure that interface as static in /etc/sysconfig/network or other
[21:33] <localhorst_> every device has a pi in it
[21:33] <localhorst_> with a umts stick
[21:34] <localhorst_> the device already has persistent ip settings
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[21:35] <dtype> if this is beyond just getting a couple of things talking on a local network (with arbitrary IPs or other), then there are probably considerations beyond this then
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[21:36] <localhorst_> dtype: the pi connects to our server over the umts stick
[21:36] <dtype> if you are using multiple devices that need to auto-provision on a network, then dhcp is likely the answer
[21:36] <localhorst_> and talks to the device
[21:36] <localhorst_> the devices dont have to talk to each other
[21:38] <dtype> if umts networking is in play, then I think I'm misunderstanding the question, and this isn't just an ethernet question anymore
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[21:41] <localhorst_> dtype: its separate: server <--(umts)--> rpi <--(lan)--> device
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[21:42] <dtype> and this is just about rpi<-lan->device comms? (I assume the pi is already talking over umts just fine)
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[21:42] <localhorst_> dtype: yes
[21:42] <dtype> does the rpi have to actually bridge networking between the device and the server? or just talk to both?
[21:42] <dtype> like does device have to talk to server, or just pi?
[21:43] <localhorst_> just talk to both. i want to prevent the device from accessing the internet directly
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[21:43] <dtype> in that case if is just device to rpi, and these are just 1:1 paired things connected over an ethernet cable, than can just give arbitrary IPs to each in the same subnet
[21:43] <dtype> can even have all of them use the same IPs between different devices since they can't actually see each other
[21:43] <localhorst_> yea
[21:44] <localhorst_> do i have to do anything to prevent the device from using the pi's internet connection?
[21:44] <dtype> so devices are all 10.1.1.1, and pis are all 10.1.1.2 internally
[21:44] <dtype> nah, pi won't route stuff from that device directly
[21:44] <localhorst_> ok
[21:44] <dtype> unless you explicitly set that up
[21:45] <localhorst_> and if we later want to set that up, how would that work?
[21:45] <dtype> at least directly. Now someone can presumably reach pi from server, and if there's a shell or something and they can get on pi, then can talk to device. But not networking routing directly
[21:45] <dtype> localhorst_: for that, you'll be looking at setting up some linux routing. Would be similar to howtos that talk about setting up home networking on a linux server
[21:45] <dtype> just pretend the pi is a homemade home router
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[21:46] <dtype> and there is a good bit of online stuff for that setup
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[21:46] <localhorst_> ok
[21:46] <dtype> but w/o routing, just talking between two devices on an ethernet cable (might have to be crossover if the ports themselves don't auto-crossover), you can just use a couple of arbitrary ips
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[21:47] <localhorst_> dtype: ive read that the pi is smart enough to auto crossover, not sure tho
[21:47] <dtype> again, pick non-routing ranges mentioned above if you ever want this thing to talk to the internet at large, because the internet at large will never use those ranges
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[21:48] <localhorst_> dtype: so then if i open a connection from the pi to 10.1.1.2, it will know to use eth0 for it, not the umts stick, right?
[21:48] <dtype> localhorst_: you do want to make sure that you're not actually using an overlapping range with whatever the umts stick is using. So want to check that.
[21:48] <dtype> for clarity, if it is giving you a 10.x, maybe use 192.168.x for the inside network, or vice versa
[21:48] <localhorst_> dtype: the umts stick is using normal WAN ips i think
[21:49] <dtype> ah, like an actual routable ip? ok then, no conflict if so
[21:49] <localhorst_> why would there be another network layer between the umts stick and the pi?
[21:49] <localhorst_> its a usb stick
[21:49] <dtype> localhorst_: i don't use umts directly. didn't know if there was any other layer.
[21:50] <localhorst_> dtype: its like with a wifi stick
[21:50] <dtype> so the net is just pick some inside network range that isn't conflicting with some range you're already using
[21:50] <localhorst_> ok
[21:50] <dtype> localhorst_: wifi sticks can assign "internal" ips and route them out
[21:50] <dtype> depends on stick
[21:51] <dtype> well, rather depends on the server that is assigning ips to the stick. but anyway, as long as you don't conflict you can create new little networks to your heart's content
[21:51] <dtype> they wont actually go anywhere unless you setup routing for them, but that's what you want for that device to device setup
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[21:53] <dtype> localhorst_: now, if you're doing this as some actual project that will be used a lot, you should consider that you *can* run a dhcp server on the pi and hand out an address to the internal device, and you might want to do that if your plan is to actually route internet to that device eventually
[21:53] <dtype> but there's more setup in that, so depends on if you're just trying to get something working, or working out a long term plan
[21:54] <dtype> (and long term plan might just be static ips, but is something to at least decide rather than default to)
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[21:57] <localhorst_> dtype: we dont have a reason to let the device access the internet directly for now
[21:58] <dtype> anyway, my answers here are all *can*, not necessarily *should* for whatever your project is. :)
[21:58] <dtype> but yeah little internal networks are simple enough
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[23:27] <jancoow1> Hi. Does anyone knows which kernel parametesr I need to enable to make nfs boot work with the pi, when compiling the kernel myself?
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[23:49] <ali1234> jancoow1: parameters or config?
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[23:50] <ali1234> did you read https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/nfs/nfsroot.txt ?
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[23:53] <jancoow1> ali1234: Thanks. I will loop through it tommorow.
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