#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-03-20

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[0:30] <ali1234> akk: that is not pulse, that is polkit
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[0:34] <ali1234> akk: you can't access audio device without a seat. this is a sensible security policy
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[0:35] <ali1234> otherwise, attacker can log in to public machine, start arecord in screen, log out, and then record everything the next user does (mic and speakers)
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[0:58] <redrabbit> i figured that when i pluggin any usb dongle to the pi0 or pi0w otg port it resets it
[0:58] <redrabbit> it is not plug and play ?
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[1:01] <vikaton> Hey guys
[1:01] <de-facto> maybe it pulls too much current so the pi cpu chokes on the low voltage?
[1:01] <BurtyB> ali1234, go back 20 years and you could read/write to /dev/audio on quite a few systems sadly things changed heh
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[1:02] <vikaton> IS it possible to use a raspberry pi as a proxy between an iphone and headphones
[1:02] <de-facto> redrabbit try a bigger transformer for provding more current or try a smaller usb device?
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[1:26] <JetBalsa> Just got done with my new project, its simple, but effective: http://imgur.com/a/2GExJ
[1:27] <irc3k> lol they ban me
[1:28] <irc3k> im not a poor bastard lolz
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[1:28] <irc3k> people like me should get shot
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[1:28] <irc3k> or be allowed to take care of ourseolves
[1:28] <irc3k> google knows i want food! how?
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[1:33] <redrabbit> de-facto: it works fine
[1:33] <redrabbit> but when i plug it it reboot
[1:33] <redrabbit> no matter the psu
[1:33] <redrabbit> i tried 3 wlan adapters
[1:34] <redrabbit> after the reboot works without isssues
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[1:34] <redrabbit> not that big of a deal
[1:34] <redrabbit> it happens with any psu / pi0 or PI0w
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[1:39] <irc3k> hi
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[1:42] <irc3k> i want food :(
[1:42] <irc3k> i feel bad for kids in africa
[1:42] <irc3k> our parents will die some day :(
[1:42] <irc3k> im a parasite
[1:42] <irc3k> hi
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[1:42] <irc3k> An_Onion: no
[1:43] <irc3k> aykut: idk who u r lol
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[2:21] <MentatAddict> God, programming has given me minor OCD.
[2:21] <MentatAddict> I can't not format my code.
[2:21] <MentatAddict> Its obsessive.
[2:21] <MentatAddict> I just spend a good 5 minutes trying to leave an extra spacebar in.
[2:21] <MentatAddict> but I can't do improper indenting.
[2:21] <MentatAddict> I'll just stare at the screen.
[2:22] <MentatAddict> feeling helpless.
[2:23] <akk> Proper indenting makes code a lot easier to read.
[2:23] <akk> After trying to work on other people's un-indented code a few times, one tends to get obsessive about it.
[2:23] <MentatAddict> god
[2:23] <MentatAddict> who would not indent?
[2:23] <MentatAddict> What kind of a horrible person.
[2:24] <akk> Beginners don't (it's really hard to get them to care)
[2:24] <Qatz> Unformatted is satan's butthole
[2:24] <MentatAddict> I always have.
[2:24] <MentatAddict> It is the only way.
[2:24] <akk> but I've seen bad indenting from experienced programmers too (mostly people who used MSVC++, so maybe it re-indents for you or something).
[2:24] <MentatAddict> the code is beautiful and it must show.
[2:24] <MentatAddict> unless its bad code.
[2:24] <MentatAddict> there is so much bad code.
[2:24] <MentatAddict> ;-;
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[2:25] <akk> I collaborate with a couple of people who aren't really programmers but sometimes try to make small changes rather than asking me
[2:25] <MentatAddict> nggghhh
[2:25] <MentatAddict> why
[2:25] <akk> and I hate to discourage that, it's great, but I do usually have to re-indent everything when they're done.
[2:26] <Qatz> They are more likely to start properly formatting their code later though
[2:26] <Qatz> If they start coding
[2:26] <akk> Every now and then I get a "I can't figure out why this doesn't work" and I reply with "here's the problem, I found it by fixing the indentation and then it was obvious" :)
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[2:27] <Qatz> I even indent ASM
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[2:37] <axion> Wow I haven't been here in years
[2:38] <exobuzz> https://retropie.org.uk/2017/03/retropie-4-2-released/
[2:38] <axion> I was thinking about getting a Pi Zero W, to turn it into a media center with kodi, but I'm unsure how reliable the 802.11 connection will be for streaming 1080p across my network constantly. any input here?
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[2:38] <axion> Should I just get anohter full form pi?
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[2:42] * ShorTie Thinkz, pi's don'tlike streaming 1080p much
[2:42] <axion> ShorTie: it works beautifully on my pi 1, overclocked
[2:42] <HrdwrBoB> axion: why would you get a zero
[2:43] <HrdwrBoB> when you can use a full form pi3
[2:43] <axion> portability mostly
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[2:43] <HrdwrBoB> ...
[2:43] <axion> bring it to a friends not needing ethernet
[2:43] <HrdwrBoB> pi3 has wifi
[2:43] <HrdwrBoB> so I don't know what you're talking about
[2:43] <axion> also price
[2:44] <HrdwrBoB> are you horrendously poor?
[2:44] <axion> very. just had another baby
[2:49] <ali1234> wifi can be fine if nobody else is using it near you
[2:49] <ali1234> or it can be awful
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[3:09] <akk> HrdwrBoB: Also power usage (for pi zero): might be able to run all night on batter.
[3:09] <akk> And price, if you're deploying a lot of them.
[3:09] * akk doesn't actually have a pi zero, they're always out of stock when I think about ordering
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[3:18] * hmoney keeps an extra pi zero in his pocket for a rainy day
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[3:23] <Qatz> I have a Zero want to get a ZeroW
[3:26] <Broly> so, what you're saying is, if i understand correctly, you wasted some money and now you want to waste more ;)
[3:26] <Broly> nbd
[3:26] <Broly> do yo thang
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[3:31] <Qatz> Broly: Close except I use my pi zero
[3:31] <Broly> oh i'm sure you do
[3:31] <Qatz> Right now it's an irc client node
[3:31] <Broly> do you have a keychain case too
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[3:31] <Broly> lol
[3:31] <Qatz> Nope I don't bother with cases
[3:32] <Broly> i use a desktop
[3:32] <hmoney> tbh i bought extra zeros to give away as piholes around xmas
[3:32] <hmoney> then i remembered i have no friends :x
[3:33] <Broly> CC libgio_2_0_la-gunixmount.lo
[3:33] <Broly> configure bveen running steady for the past hour
[3:33] <Broly> encouraged
[3:33] <Qatz> hmoney: Nice I use my original pi1 256meg pi for pihole
[3:33] <Broly> this is not techy
[3:33] <hmoney> since the new update w/ pihole the gui actually loads quick on the zeros now (connected via ethernet)
[3:33] <hmoney> broly what are you using that for?
[3:35] <Broly> had to make my broadcom crosses again today
[3:35] <Qatz> What I wish I had for the pizero is a good realtime OS
[3:35] <Broly> was a good afternoon
[3:36] <Broly> seeing this hour long compile going i consider it time well spent
[3:36] <Qatz> Broly: Why not crosscompile then?
[3:37] <Broly> that's what it has been doing for an hour
[3:37] <Qatz> Oh
[3:38] <Broly> broadcom provides blobs that you have to link in order for your kernel to boot
[3:38] <Broly> those blobs are a bit dated in what they provide. they are better than nothing, yes
[3:38] <Qatz> You can get a vanilla to boot. Just is not the best
[3:38] <Broly> and from what i understand, the paid support offering (or something, you can pay to get a "good" blob) doesn't have what you'd expect
[3:39] * hmoney starts getting lost in docker and docker-swarm
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[3:39] <hmoney> i got my clusterhat and 4 zeros setup today, then got them setup in a docker swarm, now to learn how to play with it -.-
[3:40] <Qatz> Should be interesting
[3:41] <Qatz> I wish the zeros had usb boot like the 3's
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[3:43] <hmoney> lmao
[3:44] <hmoney> from dockers website on how to learn, it has a prebuilt hello-world image
[3:44] <hmoney> and of course it fails with an error, and after googling it turns out that wont work on arm builds
[3:44] * hmoney starts off strong :(
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[3:47] <Broly> libxml2 is lame
[3:47] * Broly rushes off with gun drawn from imaginary holster
[3:47] <Broly> time to shoot this troubl down cuz i gotta re run this asap
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[3:48] <redrabbit> *western music*
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[3:48] <redrabbit> *bang* *bang*
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[3:51] <gzuh> hey does anyone know why building weechat on my pi zero makes a bin that says Illegal instruction?
[3:51] <gzuh> i tried deleting everything and starting over, but same thing
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[3:55] <gzuh> i almost think it's not compiling for the right platform, but how would that be possible?
[3:58] <Sonny_Jim> Easily
[3:58] <Sonny_Jim> try using file on the binary to see what it actually is
[3:59] <Sonny_Jim> A lot of the time people create their build system with x86 bits hard coded in, without thinking that someone might try compiling it for ARM
[4:00] <gzuh> /usr/local/bin/weechat: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=0a13e0fc6dcca9275b8c5f3efdd105dea51dfbe0, not stripped
[4:00] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, looks about right
[4:00] <Sonny_Jim> Run it through gdb and see where it's falling over
[4:01] <Sonny_Jim> gdb looks scary, but it's actually pretty easy once you get a handle on it
[4:01] <gzuh> do i just gdb `which weechat` or something?
[4:01] <Sonny_Jim> Errr
[4:01] <Sonny_Jim> Why the which?
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[4:01] <gzuh> long filename dunno
[4:01] <gzuh> i'll just man it
[4:01] <Sonny_Jim> But in any case, you'll need to compile a debug version first (-g flag)
[4:02] <Sonny_Jim> Have a quick look at a gdb tutorial, it'll explain it all
[4:02] <gzuh> cool. thanks
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[4:11] <ali1234> more likely you built it for armv7
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[4:20] <Limix> Hi all, anyone know the trick to getting bluetooth working on an rpi 3 when using resin.io?
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[4:40] <Broly> ADHD FAIL
[4:40] <Broly> I FORGOT TO FIX ONE OF THE TRIPLETS when i was modifying the makefile
[4:41] <Broly> CC="$(ARCH)-brcm-gnueabihf-gcc" instead of CC="$(ARCH)-brcm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc"
[4:41] <Broly> oewqhfpaweoaiwjf was getting undefined reference to pthread key create and was like wut. gad damn
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[5:33] <gzuh> well using autotools rather than cmake fixed my weechat problem. huh
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[6:19] <[Saint]> The canonical way of fixing weechat problems is to uninstall it and then install quassel.
[6:22] <fjrichman> So I'm having an internet connection issues with my rpi b+ it seems that it randomly drops connection if it doesn't have an active network connection. Power Management is turned off for wifi, is there any other possible reasons why it might happen?
[6:22] <Broly> sounds like power saving/throttling
[6:23] <Broly> i think it's still on even if you turn it off in that setting
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[6:24] <Broly> try this
[6:24] <Broly> pre-up iw dev wlan0 set power_save off
[6:24] <Broly> post-down iw dev wlan0 set power_save on
[6:24] <Broly> (https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=138731&p=921437)
[6:24] <[Saint]> If that doesn't work just cron some traffic for keepalive.
[6:24] <[Saint]> every N minutes ping a local address.
[6:24] <[Saint]> ought to work.
[6:25] <Broly> hahahahahahaha
[6:26] <Broly> the raspberry pi OS is the equivalent of being born in india, if the user was a first timer
[6:26] <Broly> the degraded experience has severe consequences
[6:26] <Broly> hahahahahhaa
[6:28] <Broly> people iwth a pi3 can't even use a gl driver rofl
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[6:30] <Sonny_Jim> Pretty sure I use some kind of 3d acceleration in my SDL project and it works just fine on a Pi3
[6:31] <[Saint]> Yeah...no idea what Broly is on about.
[6:34] <Broly> yesterday someone came on with gl driver issues
[6:34] <Broly> and it did not seem like an isolated case. he could not use the experimental driver on his pi3
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[6:35] <Broly> and the same thread said that people who had no problem on the pi 2, had issues with the pi 3
[6:35] <Broly> i myself was surprised when sware said it, but he did and when i googled it, to my dismay others (not just him) reported similar experiences
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[6:36] <Broly> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=140865
[6:36] <Broly> "I booted several times successfull my Pi 2.
[6:36] <Broly> But on the Pi 3 i get the black screen every time."
[6:36] <Broly> third post
[6:36] <Broly> sware reported the same thing yesterday, and even tried toggling modes via tvservice (to put into the config.txt file), to no avail
[6:36] <[Saint]> Given I'm using it right now...
[6:36] <[Saint]> "No. Very no."
[6:36] <Broly> i don't think it's an isolated issue
[6:37] <[Saint]> That may be the case, but it's certainly not broadly true either.
[6:37] <[Saint]> 'cos, as stated...usin' it right now.
[6:38] <Broly> pretty weird issue
[6:38] <Broly> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=162884
[6:38] <Broly> "Further to above with Raspbian Jessie with PIXEL DE it is currently broken, so if you want to try the Experimental OpenGL Driver use a pre Pixel version of Raspbian Jessie:"
[6:39] <Broly> so you're using a pixel OS on a pi3 with the experimental driver?
[6:40] <[Saint]> I am, but I wonder if the way I went about it has something to do with it. I started with Raspbian lite and then unstalled ui-mods and the experimental GL driver.
[6:40] <[Saint]> *installed
[6:40] <Broly> i bet that would work
[6:40] <[Saint]> Did a dist-upgrade a few minutes ago. All is well in [Saint]-town.
[6:40] <Broly> he tried a fresh image i think
[6:40] <[Saint]> Ah.
[6:40] <Broly> he said he tried the non pixel one too and had a similar result
[6:40] <[Saint]> Interesting.
[6:40] <Broly> but i dunno if it was lite. he just said without pixel
[6:41] <[Saint]> I wanted the pixel UI but without the seventy bajillionteen GB of cruft no one will ever use that comes with the full Raspbian.
[6:41] <[Saint]> So I started with lite and added on top of it.
[6:41] <Broly> 12:28:18 AM] <sware> I edited the config settings manually a hundred times because apparently the latest pixel update removed the UI settings
[6:41] <Broly> [12:28:22 AM] <sware> menu
[6:41] <Broly> [12:28:50 AM] <sware> well I cleared pixel off for now so I'll try that later I guess but for now I'm going to see if it's broken out of the gate with the feb 9th release
[6:42] <Broly> [12:54:46 AM] <sware> black screen with pre-pixel too
[6:42] <Broly> [12:54:56 AM] <sware> great.
[6:42] <Broly> maybe he has 3 unusual monitors or something
[6:42] <Broly> and he wasn't toggling between CEA/DE-whatever modes
[6:42] <[Saint]> I wonder if he screwed with his ARM/GPU split.
[6:42] <[Saint]> It'll definitely bork out at sub-64MB.
[6:43] <[Saint]> I found that out personally.
[6:43] <Broly> i should have told him to try a gpumem setting
[6:43] <Broly> maybe that would have fixed it
[6:43] <Broly> damn
[6:44] <Broly> WHERE ARE YOU WHEN THIS CHANNEL NEEDS YOU, MAN
[6:44] <Broly> SAINT?! PFFT
[6:44] <Broly> lol
[6:44] <[Saint]> One thing that annoys the crap out of me with the Pixel UI is the audio drop=down doesn't have a "HDMI+Analog" setting.
[6:44] <[Saint]> It's either, or.
[6:45] <[Saint]> Need to manually twiddle with it to get audio out on both analog and hdmi, and set a script to do it at boot if you don't want it to be reset.
[6:45] <[Saint]> Annoying.
[6:45] <Broly> the pixel branding is related to google's pixel isn't it
[6:45] <Broly> or si it different
[6:45] <[Saint]> Very.
[6:45] <[Saint]> It's an anagram entirely unrelated t Google's pixel altogether.
[6:45] <Broly> i wasn't sure if they had some sort of relationship
[6:45] <[Saint]> Technically, it's "PIXEL", not pixel or Pixel.
[6:45] <Broly> like HEY GUYS WE RUN THIS ARM SHOW
[6:45] <[Saint]> But...typing is hard.
[6:45] <Broly> hahahha yea
[6:45] <Broly> sorry
[6:47] <[Saint]> It's a bit of a stretch to make the anagram.
[6:47] <[Saint]> They clearly started with a word and then tried to shoe-horn it into an anagram.
[6:47] <[Saint]> "Pi Improved Xwindows Environment, Lightweight"
[6:47] <Broly> oh so it's not related
[6:47] <Broly> yhou were just teasing
[6:48] <[Saint]> The "Very" was "Very not related", sorry.
[6:48] <[Saint]> I misread your is as isn't.
[6:48] <Broly> https://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2016/09/28/raspbian-pixel/1
[6:48] <[Saint]> I thought you said "the pixel branding isn't related to google's pixel isn't it"
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[6:48] <Broly> infully into 'Pi Improved Xwindows Environment, Lightweight,' Pixel - no relation to Google's rumoured Pixel phones
[6:49] <Broly> good journalism right there since the timing of the announcements was within the same few months iirc
[6:49] <Broly> hence my reason for asking
[6:49] <[Saint]> Perhaps an obvious connection to make. The AOSP repository does have an empty rpi3 device tree folder sitting there.
[6:49] <[Saint]> ANd has for ~18months.
[6:50] <[Saint]> I suspect Broadcomm is being a dick about something again.
[6:50] <Broly> AOSP?
[6:50] <[Saint]> Android Open Source Project
[6:50] <Broly> i don't think it's them man
[6:50] <Broly> i think it's from the higher-ups
[6:50] <Broly> this is such an old issue. it's been going on for years
[6:50] <Broly> even before me. like a year before i came people were slowly creeping up about the issue
[6:51] <Broly> almost three years later and we're still relegated to relying on their blobs. same goes for their routers
[6:51] <[Saint]> I dunno. Remember when RPF announced there was an Android compatible driver for the GPU, and even demoed GPU acellerated Android, but then they quietly shut up about it, closed the thread, and refused to answer any questions about it?
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[6:51] <[Saint]> I 'member.
[6:51] <Broly> but for routers they also have a proprietary radio object file for the antennae
[6:51] <Broly> so you have to link the kernel to their o files just like you have to link the pi kernel (or whatever kernel you build) to their already-included built-in.o
[6:52] <Broly> i don't think it's real saint
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[6:52] <Broly> the FPU stuff can't be real
[6:52] <[Saint]> Broly: It was very real.
[6:52] <[Saint]> It was live demoed in a video in an RPF blog post.
[6:52] <Broly> then why isn't it available for everyone and why has every hardfloat build i've tried relied on packages built for assfuckery targetrs
[6:52] <Broly> yeah the demo i believe
[6:52] <[Saint]> Because...Broadcomm.
[6:52] <Broly> the demos are like these ubuntu mate hardfloat kernels
[6:52] <Broly> exactly the same thing
[6:53] <Broly> the repos are HILARIOUS man they pull dirty-breed builds into your list
[6:53] <Broly> you can install shit like eabi+v4 and shit. or could (when i tried it a couple years ago. i saw they updated it last year but i sold my pi a few months back)
[6:53] <[Saint]> Broadcomm is notoriously shitty to third party developers.
[6:53] <Broly> thing is more of a tech demo than anything
[6:53] <Broly> lol
[6:53] <[Saint]> I know this from a lot of Android bringups.
[6:54] <[Saint]> They keep crying souce, and we're like "screw source, just _give us a working binary_"
[6:54] <[Saint]> *crickets chirp*
[6:54] <[Saint]> Rinse, repeat.
[6:54] <Broly> people take x86 for granted
[6:55] <Broly> i am so happy with my desktop. i love seeing clang cross compiles being checked for 2 byte shifts and shit (specific to arm targets)
[6:55] <[Saint]> The problem with ARM "standards" is there's about seventy million of them.
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[6:56] <[Saint]> When everything is a standard, nothing is.
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[6:57] <Broly> when i build for armv7 hard on my compiler, for libraries that i need to build the static gcc (gmp,mpfr,isl,mpc) i have to make for my target on my machine, it's nice to see that it checks these things
[6:57] <Broly> the LAWGIC
[6:58] <Broly> it builds for armv4
[6:58] <[Saint]> I guess I can't speculate what happened with the VideoCore driver, but there's definitely an Android compatible binary out there somewhere sitting under lock and key and NDA, and they're definitely keeping it from us for...$reasons.
[6:58] <[Saint]> Far moe willing to believe it's Broadcomm than RPF being dicks here.
[6:58] <[Saint]> *more
[6:58] <Broly> i don't think if the FPU was real they'd hold back and not provide a good blob for it
[6:58] <Broly> it'd put them right there with intel and make those who have demanding computations indifferent to the aarchitecture
[6:58] <[Saint]> Really? It's broadcomm.
[6:58] <Broly> but like i said, we take x86 for granted
[6:58] <Broly> it's ARM
[6:59] <Broly> broadcom is just a good licensee of ARM
[6:59] <[Saint]> Look at the "open source GPU", which was just an open shim to a still closed binary.
[6:59] <Broly> is there any example of the same platform with a different manufacturer who has been more open (just asking)?
[6:59] <Broly> i.e qualcomm?
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[7:01] <Sonny_Jim> Does ARM still stand for Acorn RISC Machines?
[7:01] <[Saint]> Qualcom, generally speaking, is pretty friendly. Though they've had their moments.
[7:01] <Broly> they will haave the same issue
[7:01] <[Saint]> Yes.
[7:01] <Broly> broadcomm isn't mr bad guy but i understand your frustration
[7:01] <Broly> you feel like you're being held back
[7:01] <Broly> you just wanna let go
[7:01] <Broly> you wanna be free
[7:01] <Broly> you wanna fly with that FPU
[7:01] <Broly> but right now, you're tied down. frustrated
[7:01] <Broly> i understand
[7:02] <[Saint]> It would be a lot better if RPZF never actually released a video clearly displaying it was possible.
[7:02] <[Saint]> *RPF
[7:02] <Broly> how else were they going to get legitimate press coverage for HAY REPLACE YOUR DESKTOP FOR 50 BUXXX
[7:02] <[Saint]> "here's something you can't have, and we'll never address your questions on it, and go out of our way to ignore it"
[7:03] <[Saint]> It's like offering a kid candy and then putting it up on top of the bookshelf where they can't reach it.
[7:03] <[Saint]> That kid would rather not know about the candy.
[7:03] <Broly> well, at the same time you have to realise intel is wallowing unlike ever before. this is worse than the p4 days
[7:03] <Broly> this is like, wow
[7:03] <Broly> like you don't think if intel had a half-decent staff we wouldn't have seen better mobile x86 stuff? i don't. it's been lacklustre from the start
[7:03] <Broly> i found that one moto razr x86 to be nifty though
[7:04] <Broly> was tempted
[7:04] <redrabbit> just made a script that dl raspbian lite and automatically set it up for headless operation
[7:04] <redrabbit> seems to work fine atm
[7:04] <redrabbit> just needs a bit or user friendly stuff
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[7:05] <Broly> are you substituting automated for headless?
[7:05] <Broly> sorry headless for automated
[7:05] <Broly> ha ha ha ha, there may be an "iff" here :)
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[7:05] <[Saint]> ...wut?
[7:06] <Broly> don't worry about it haha
[7:06] <[Saint]> k.
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[7:19] * Broly is not playing anything in iTunes.
[7:19] <Broly> oopes
[7:19] <Broly> System Info: Model: Mac Pro Xeon Bloomfield · CPU Speed: 24 @ 2.4 GHz · L2: 256 KB · L3: 12 MB · RAM: 128 GB · OS X: Version 10.10.5 (Build 14F1605) · Hostname: GagansMacPro · User: Gagan · Client: Linkinus 2.4.2/25029
[7:19] <Broly> oh trusty steed
[7:19] <Broly> thou has been good to me, ye olde trustie steede
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[7:20] * Broly pats this deceptively heavy brick gently
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[7:26] <Broly> these jolly rancher jolly beans are straight crack kuhkane
[7:26] <[Saint]> something something, reddit, jolly rancher.
[7:27] <Broly> you reddit?
[7:27] <Broly> you a redditor? redditer?
[7:27] <Broly> reddite?
[7:27] <[Saint]> I do. I am. I assume most people at least lurk there.
[7:27] <Broly> not a bad assumption
[7:28] <Broly> i grew tired of the news and the characters whose content oh-so-often just has to rely on it
[7:30] <[Saint]> *cough* Buzzfeed *cough*
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[7:30] <Broly> can't imagine a "peasant"'s (sorry i usually don't say that or think that, but when it comes to people's opinions on things that pertain to current events, that is how i perceive those who express theirs so openly) view being any more insightful than the original information (or, input) being used to generate it
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[7:32] <Broly> if it did, it'd be like the equivalent of a perpetual motion machine (violating the law of thermodynamics and getting more output than originally input)
[7:32] <Broly> sorry, if it was
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[7:41] <Broly> belly fulla jelly
[7:41] <Broly> compiles going swelly
[7:41] <Broly> on irc straight yelling
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[7:53] <redrabbit> Broly: its an automated headless setup
[7:53] <redrabbit> it asks for hostname, username, password
[7:53] <redrabbit> and theres several options
[7:54] <redrabbit> im gonna also add something to add wifi from the promp
[7:54] <redrabbit> without having to mess with wpa supplicant
[7:54] <redrabbit> would prob help some
[7:55] <redrabbit> atm it works by copying a premade wpa supp file
[7:56] <redrabbit> after that it would generate the file
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[8:08] <Wizard> Hi
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[8:17] <Sonny_Jim> redrabbit: You can add something into the /boot parition to autoconfig wireless I believe
[8:18] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok, if you put a wpa_supplicant.conf into /boot it'll copy it over to the right place for you
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[8:24] <redrabbit> that's not the point though
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[8:25] <redrabbit> im making a tool that outputs a ready to dd image
[8:25] <Broly> FRESH OUT DA KITCHEN
[8:25] <Broly> it's KELLS
[8:25] <Broly> it's *that* "ready to dd"
[8:26] <Broly> flash it while it's hot dawg
[8:26] <redrabbit> rofl
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[8:39] <fjrichman> Gah. I can't figure out this network issue.
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[8:43] <fjrichman> Pinging the device from another computer shows a bunch of time outs.
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[8:43] <fjrichman> Mixed in with regular pings
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[9:21] <majorshake> Does anybody have any idea how to reset the colors on Putty to the defaults, if I accidentally modified the "Default Connection"?
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[9:23] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm good question
[9:23] <Sonny_Jim> First place I would look is to see where it saves that default config
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[9:25] <majorshake> They're stored in the registry.
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[9:27] <majorshake> aha. I exported the key for safety
[9:27] <majorshake> deleted the defaults
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[9:27] <majorshake> appears to fix it, but there's no default item. I can just resave that.
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[9:53] <brainzap> good mornie cutie pi (「・ ◡◡・)「
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[10:04] <gordonDrogon> no idea what that's supposed to be.
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[10:06] <brainzap> it is a cat from japan
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[10:08] <gordonDrogon> well on my screen in england it looks like ( Tall lower case r, dot, box with numbers, u u dot ) tall r
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> so sort of failed there, then.
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[10:26] <shiftplusone> more of a problem with your font. The boxes with numbers should have the hex value of the missing characters.
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[10:34] * humbot shrugs
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> the box has 00 20 but it's very small.
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/boo.png
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[10:46] <brainzap> it's a unicode space
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[10:48] <humbot> hmm
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[11:00] <RebelCoder> Hello. Is Anyone running a Chat server on the pi ? Rocket.Chat or similar ?
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[11:43] <password4> yo
[11:44] <password4> anyone have an idea where to store the ouput config of xinputcalibration on raspbian?
[11:45] <RebelCoder> password4, sorry for interrupting your question...
[11:46] <password4> RebelCoder: ?
[11:46] <RebelCoder> Question: did anyone use a fast micro-sd on Pi2 ? Just wondering if it will increase the speed of loading/working form it ? I am planing to invest into an expensive, fast SD card...
[11:46] <RebelCoder> just wondering
[11:49] <password4> well i am finished asking
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[11:53] <gordonDrogon> RebelCoder, SD card speed isn't going to be that much a factor with a modern one these days - you'l find read/write speed tops at about 20Mb/sec.
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> there are some tweaks to increase the SD card clock rate though - not personalyl tried them.
[11:53] <shiftplusone> using a HDD it seems to go up to about 35
[11:53] <shiftplusone> at least that's the max I've seen.
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[11:54] <gordonDrogon> RebelCoder, I'd jsut get ones sold for the Pi from a reputable place - I buy mine from Pimoroni.
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> biab. coffee time.
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[11:56] <RebelCoder> ok.. cool
[11:56] <RebelCoder> have an SD card with about 100
[11:56] <RebelCoder> 100 mb up down....
[11:57] <RebelCoder> will give it a try today then.
[11:57] <shiftplusone> sounds like mbit
[11:59] <RebelCoder> Up to 60 MB/s
[11:59] <Lartza> UHS?
[12:00] <RebelCoder> Yes
[12:00] <Lartza> Not supported by the Pi
[12:00] <RebelCoder> Oh..... damn...
[12:00] <Lartza> It'll act like the Class it is
[12:00] <Lartza> So it'll work but no UHS speed benefit
[12:00] <RebelCoder> Thanks. Good to know
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[12:09] <itavero> Does anyone know of a AVRdude v6.3 package that I can install in Raspbian (jessie)?
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[12:16] <gordonDrogon> what's wrong with the supplied package?
[12:17] <shiftplusone> it's 6.2 D=
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[12:20] <RebelCoder> shiftplusone, have you considered using PlatformIO &
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[12:20] <RebelCoder> ?
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> I'm still using 5.11.1 ...
[12:20] <RebelCoder> You could just install the toolchain off of it... very easy...
[12:20] <RebelCoder> And it will update to latest toolchain automatically
[12:21] <shiftplusone> Nope, all I need is avrdude, avr-gcc and a text editor.
[12:21] <RebelCoder> Hm.... wondering if it is on the Pi though...
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[12:23] <itavero> The supplied package always gives me a Segmentation fault and it does not work that well with some of the processors we use.
[12:24] <itavero> The newer version works better (I tried the avrdude package from the Debian stretch repo, but on some environments I can't install it because the newer libs it depends on generate conflict with the older libs in jessie)
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> compile it from source then?
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[12:24] <gordonDrogon> I did that with an earlier version of avrdude and it worked just fine.
[12:25] <itavero> Problem is that I'd have to set-up a cross compilation environment for that and archive the deb somewhere.
[12:25] <shiftplusone> O_o compile on the pi and tar it up
[12:25] <shiftplusone> at least that's the easiest approach
[12:26] <itavero> We are running an increasing number of Pi's for test automation of our products and I need to be able to deploy it on all of them easily.
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[12:26] <mistralol> itavero: what package is it? its not that hard to build a deb and run a repo ;)
[12:26] <itavero> As you might understand, an apt-get command would make things a lot easier than throwing the tar around.
[12:27] <mistralol> itavero: does the package use autotools as in ./configure ?
[12:28] <itavero> If I remember correctly, yes it does.
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[12:29] <mistralol> itavero: then run dh_make and it will build a new package for ou from scratch or just copy the debian dir from the old source to the new and run debbuild -us -uc
[12:29] <mistralol> the 2nd is often the easyest option :)
[12:29] <shiftplusone> backporting the stretch version is probably even easier
[12:30] <password4> just make an image of the sd card :D
[12:30] <itavero> Making an image is not really that practical. We deploy things using bash scripts triggered by our Jenkins CI environment.
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> keep one Pi to build stuff on.
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> avrdude contains the debian package maker, so build on the build Pi, make the .deb, then distribute that and install via dpkg -i ./package.deb
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[12:31] <shiftplusone> Well, that's usually not ze propah way.
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[12:32] <password4> why are you building so much in an test enviroment?
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[12:36] <mistralol> password4: testing can be complex but it can also tie into the dev enviroment if you have a large team. eg you run your own additional repo and then have a dev-deps package to setup all enviroments the same way
[12:36] <mistralol> password4: also if you actually have to ship the stuff you need this to work this way :)
[12:37] <password4> I'd rather keep quiet at this point
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[12:44] <ali1234> shiftplusone: does the foundation repo work with stretch?
[12:44] <shiftplusone> not yet, but we will be populating it soon.
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[12:45] <ali1234> do you think i'd get away with it... i only need the firmware and videocore libraries
[12:45] <shiftplusone> If you just use the jessie raspberrypi.org repo over stretch raspbian.org you'll lose some functionality you might not care about (bluetooth and some wifi chipsets for example)
[12:46] <ali1234> i care about wifi, but only the onboard wifi
[12:46] <shiftplusone> Then you'll need to hold the relevant firmware package first
[12:46] <ali1234> hmm, why?
[12:46] <brainzap> is it easy to build your own raspberry pi image?
[12:46] <shiftplusone> firmware-brcm80211
[12:47] <shiftplusone> because Debian haven't pulled in the firmware for it yet.
[12:47] <shiftplusone> brainzap: I hope so. https://github.com/RPi-Distro/pi-gen
[12:47] <ali1234> so its in raspbian jessie but not raspbian stretch?
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[12:47] <ali1234> and really nothing to do with the foundation repo at all?
[12:48] <shiftplusone> it's in the raspberrypi.org repo jessie, which overrides the raspbian.org version in jessie, but not in stretch.
[12:48] <password4> mistralol: you wanting to ship you testing platforms?
[12:48] <ali1234> oh i see
[12:48] <ali1234> package versions again
[12:48] <ali1234> brainzap: it can be a lot easier than that
[12:48] <shiftplusone> debootstrap, if you're comfortable with that and can read a manpage.
[12:48] <ali1234> debootstrap is not suitable
[12:49] <ali1234> multistrap works much better :)
[12:49] <shiftplusone> it is if you fiddle with it afterwards. But yes, I was thinking of switching to multistrap as well.
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[12:49] <ali1234> way ahead of you :)
[12:49] <ali1234> i have a bootable image made with multistrap
[12:50] <brainzap> I tried it but gave up because I am not smart enough
[12:50] <shiftplusone> It's not really about intelligence
[12:50] <ali1234> pi-gen uses docker now?
[12:50] <ali1234> i'm using qemu-user-static now
[12:50] <shiftplusone> Nope, someone just wanted to run it inside docker so they sent a PR.
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[12:51] <shiftplusone> so it still runs the same way (using qemu-user-static), but within docker.... I don't know what they gain from that, but to each their own.
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[12:51] <brainzap> they gain that the host system can use different versions
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[12:52] <ali1234> i can't find the bit where it bootstraps :)
[12:53] <ali1234> does it need root?
[12:53] <shiftplusone> Yeah, it's quite ugly in parts
[12:53] <ali1234> oh i found it
[12:53] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/RPi-Distro/pi-gen/blob/dev/scripts/common#L6
[12:54] <ali1234> you drop unneeded capabilities?
[12:54] <ali1234> that's something at least
[12:54] <ali1234> multistrap doesn't need root at all
[12:57] <shiftplusone> I drop capabilities entirely, since older versions of NOOBS can't cope with them and you end up being unable to run ping as user. That drop can be removed now, but I will leave until capabilities are used a bit more.
[12:57] <shiftplusone> dropping the root requirement would be nice.
[12:57] <ali1234> i'll upload what i have so far
[12:57] <ali1234> its only about 150 lines
[12:57] <ali1234> in two files
[12:58] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/multistrap-experiments
[12:59] <shiftplusone> I guess you can fakechroot in there to do the trickier things? I remember fakechroot being a bit of a pain, but it has been a long time since I looked at it.
[12:59] <password4> well unless hes talking about software testing then i understand
[13:00] <shiftplusone> ah yes, fakechroot. Should give it another go then.
[13:00] <ali1234> yes i'm using "fakechroot fakeroot chroot" - it works with qemu-static now, if you install them both inside and outside the chroot
[13:00] <shiftplusone> that's handy, thanks.
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[13:01] <ali1234> multistrap just downloads and unpacks, then i have to configure all packages manually by running deb scripts... then general system config, and then make a cpio for my initrd
[13:02] <shiftplusone> there's no second stage like in debootstrap?
[13:02] <ali1234> multistrap doesn't run the second stage for you
[13:02] <ali1234> you have to do it yourself
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[13:03] <itavero> I'm back from my lunch break.
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[13:03] <ali1234> its lines 13 to 34
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[13:03] <ali1234> but debootstrap second stage causes loads of problems... because it unpacks debs during second stage, and it wants you to chroot in order to run that... you dont have fakechroot and fakeroot available yet
[13:03] <ali1234> so chroot fails
[13:04] <ali1234> multistrap unpacks them on the native system so it runs about a billion times faster as well
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[13:04] <ali1234> those scripts finish in about 1 minute 30
[13:05] <itavero> Just to be clear: the products we are testing are actual HW products (thermostats, ventilation units). The Pi is used to control mocked peripherals and read data back from the DUTs.
[13:05] <shiftplusone> does fakechroot cause any permissions problems? Can it tell between a user within the chroot and root or do all the files end up having the same owner?
[13:05] <itavero> I've also been using pi-gen to get a "clean" basic image that we can use across our Jenkins CI slaves that do the test work.
[13:06] <ali1234> shiftplusone: whenever it sees your host system UID it turns it into 0... i think it leaves everything else alone
[13:06] <ali1234> at least i think that is how it works
[13:06] <ali1234> let me try it...
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[13:07] <shiftplusone> but let's say you create a user within the chroot with the same UID as your host UID
[13:07] <leitmedium> itavero: maybe a docker approach is right for you?
[13:07] <leitmedium> itavero: just stumled upon https://resin.io
[13:08] <brainzap> I dont like paying for open source tools
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[13:08] <shiftplusone> ali1234: why do you run the preinst scripts yourself rather than calling config.sh? I am guessing that config.sh is the same as debootstrap's 2nd stage script?
[13:09] <itavero> leitmedium: Not really. Our products don't run Linux. Processor aren't even capable of that.
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[13:09] <ali1234> shiftplusone: okay so any files you create inside the chroot are owned by you in the external system
[13:09] <ali1234> the ownership is correct inside until you exit and reenter
[13:10] <ali1234> and config.sh isn't something multistrap provides
[13:10] <leitmedium> itavero: ok
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[13:10] <ali1234> its config.sh option jus tells it to run the config.sh you provided
[13:10] <shiftplusone> Oh, I see.
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[13:11] <ali1234> but its run inside the chroot, and my build script need to do stuff outside, so i just put everything in it
[13:11] <ali1234> i could do it the other way around
[13:11] <itavero> shiftplusone: If I wanted to install a custom deb package when using pi-gen. Would the best approach be to copy the deb package using install, call dpkg -i via on_chroot and then remove the deb package? Or is there a better way?
[13:11] <shiftplusone> itavero: I'd add a repo for your custom packages.
[13:12] <itavero> That does sound like the "nice" way to do it (instead of the dirty hack I proposed). ;)
[13:12] <ali1234> it isn't work setting up a repo for just one package
[13:12] <ali1234> *worth
[13:12] <ali1234> and debootstrap doesnt support multiple repos anyway
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[13:13] <ali1234> if you have loads then it might be worth it
[13:13] <itavero> It's just one package for now and probably will stay that way (whenever possible I'd rather use existing packages than baking my own)
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[13:17] <ali1234> personally i just tarball up my app, and then untar it over the chroot
[13:17] <ali1234> but it installs in /opt
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[13:28] <jubalh> hi guys
[13:28] <jubalh> i am using the rpi3 with the official display. for some reason i always get this annoying sign that there isnt enough power it seems (the thunder sign)
[13:28] <jubalh> i dont et why
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[13:29] <Lartza> jubalh, Insufficient power plug or cable
[13:29] <jubalh> i use a power thing that gives 1000mA on the pi and connected the display through gpio
[13:29] <Lartza> rpi3 requires 3A
[13:29] <jubalh> that should be enough, no?
[13:29] <Lartza> 2A at minimum
[13:30] <jubalh> uh
[13:30] <jubalh> damn
[13:30] <Lartza> 3A is the recommended
[13:30] <Lartza> officially
[13:30] <jubalh> did rpi1 maybe need 1000mA?
[13:30] <jubalh> that would explain why i have such a power plug
[13:30] <Lartza> I think so yeah
[13:30] <jubalh> ok
[13:30] <jubalh> thanks
[13:30] <Lartza> Even rpi2 can use more than 1A with USB though, easily
[13:30] <jubalh> funny that it works then
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[13:31] <jubalh> anyways, i'll get a 3A one. that will be enough or is something else better for display plus pi?
[13:31] <Lartza> Hmm seems the official supply is 2A
[13:32] <Lartza> but you need to be sure the plug is 2A like it says in the case so 2.5A or 3A from a reputable store should be totally fine
[13:33] <jubalh> ok, thanks
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[13:45] <mfa298> jubalh: from memory the original Pi1 was 1A and there was an official 1A PSU for that (I've got a few of them here), but that's not enough for the Pi3
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[14:01] <password4> i think the usb adapter i got was more like 1.2A
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[14:01] <password4> for rpi 1 , sold by rs
[14:01] <password4> and the rpi1 was a bit skimpy on the power deparpment
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[14:06] <kerio> does the wpa_supplicant.conf in the vfat partition completely replace the one in the extfs partition?
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[14:11] <shiftplusone> kerio: yes
[14:11] <kerio> it worked ;o
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[14:12] <kerio> hm how much power does it need
[14:12] <kerio> i see the act led kinda flashing
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[14:12] <han-solo> hello?
[14:13] <han-solo> i'm trying to connect to the raspberry pi via my android phone using VNC viewer
[14:14] <han-solo> i can see the server receiving the SYN_RECV, but it is not connecting
[14:14] <han-solo> any ideas why?
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[14:21] <kerio> is the act led powering down a bad sign
[14:21] <mfa298> kerio: for the Pi2/Pi3 the green act light blinking is fine (I think it's linked to sd card activity), the power led (red) shoudl be on all the time (if that blinks off it's a bad sign)
[14:21] <kerio> pi0w
[14:21] <kerio> oh it's just write activity?
[14:22] <mfa298> I don't think the Pi0 has any power monitoring
[14:22] <han-solo> why is the connection not establishing after SYN_RECV?:/
[14:22] <han-solo> anyone?
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[14:24] <kerio> hm, i don't need snd_bcm2835 on a pi0 right
[14:27] <shiftplusone> why not?
[14:28] <shiftplusone> there's HDMI audio
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[14:31] <gordonDrogon> han-solo, no idea - I've used tightvncserver on a Pi and viewed on my android phone with a vnc viewer in the past. limited use, but it worked.
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> han-solo, can you ping/ssh into the Pi from your phone?
[14:32] <han-solo> how to ping from cell phone? :/
[14:33] <han-solo> 'll try ssh, maybe
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[14:36] <han-solo> how to ping in android?
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[14:39] <gordonDrogon> han-solo, juice ssh is what I use for ssh. I have something called fing for ping, etc.
[14:39] <han-solo> okay
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[14:39] <HrdwrBoB> juice ssh is awesome
[14:40] <han-solo> but, if ican see the SYN_RECV from the phone on the server, should mean i have a connection,right?
[14:40] <han-solo> i wonder, why isn't it establishing
[14:40] <han-solo> :/
[14:41] <han-solo> well, i will check in tomorrow
[14:41] <han-solo> thanks for you time
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[15:02] <waxdt> Does anyone know of a raspberry pi alternative that is cheap and can be powered over PoE 802.3af
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[15:04] <lopta> Nope.
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[15:05] <dtype> waxdt: I think there are adapters that will pull usb power off of poe though
[15:06] <lopta> dtype: If they work with the Pi, that's great!
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[15:07] <dtype> i'm not advertising for it, and it isn't *particularly* cheap, but there are such things: https://www.amazon.com/802-3af-Splitter-MicroUSB-Devices-WT-AF-5v10w-microUSB/dp/B019BMFCH8
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[15:07] <mfa298> waxdt: there are some PoE hats that do 802.3af, or you might be able to use a PoE splitter (TP link have one which might work with not much effort)
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[15:11] <waxdt> Yeah those splitters aren't that nice but I guess they will have to do.
[15:11] <brainzap> Worked great when it worked
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[15:22] <lopta> IT_Sean: I should buy a kettle for the office.
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[15:23] <lopta> ...not sure I'd bring my teapot to work though.
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[15:26] <lopta> Oooh, my work monitor has a DVI-D input! I should buy a faster microSDHC card and replace my work desktop with a Pi 2.
[15:26] <oq> uhh
[15:27] <oq> ask the guy in charge of it first if its okay
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[15:29] <lopta> He quit last week.
[15:29] <lopta> I have been encouraged to apply for the position but I'm in two minds about it.
[15:30] <oq> some employers overreact about connecting unapproved devices
[15:31] * lopta nods
[15:31] <lopta> I'm fortunate in that regard.
[15:31] <lopta> ...at least until the new guy comes along.
[15:31] <lopta> ...even then I might get grandfathered in because nobody has any idea what all the machinery on my desk does. ;-)
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[15:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hi. What is the status of video decode with open drivers?
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[16:00] <euoia> Hi... I'm having real problems with my raspberry pi not reconnecting when the wifi drops
[16:01] <brainzap> euoia: I guess you don't have a network manager installed, ifup scripts don't fix it automatically
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[16:02] <euoia> I tried wicd and had the same symptoms
[16:02] <euoia> so I reverted to a solution posted here http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/4120/how-to-automatically-reconnect-wifi
[16:02] <brainzap> do you have two access points that use the same bssid?
[16:02] <euoia> which involves using wpa-roam instead of wpa-conf
[16:03] <euoia> yes, I do... I use a WiFi repeater
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[16:04] <brainzap> make a small script that pings and restarts network when host down
[16:06] <euoia> yeah, will do
[16:06] <euoia> I started on this https://github.com/euoia/network-reconnect
[16:06] <euoia> https://github.com/euoia/network-reconnect/blob/master/network-reconnect.sh
[16:06] <euoia> does that look about right?
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[16:10] <euoia> other than the typo :D
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[16:15] <euoia> well, I just ran those commands on the disconnected Pi and it seemed to workj
[16:15] <euoia> so I'll give that a go
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[16:17] <brainzap> good job (「・ ◡◡・)「
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[16:52] <plum> hiiiii
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[17:03] <GyroW> With the new PIXEL DE, I'd like to not have the screen go off
[17:04] <GyroW> How can I do that
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[17:16] <Lartza> GyroW, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Display_Power_Management_Signaling
[17:16] <GyroW> aigh
[17:16] <Lartza> Be sure to note that a static image will hurt the monitor
[17:16] <GyroW> t
[17:17] <GyroW> it's something old, it's fine
[17:17] <Lartza> And use more power
[17:17] <Lartza> Well yeah but image burn-in is still burn-in old or new :P
[17:17] <Lartza> And can render something annoying to use or unusable
[17:17] <Lartza> DPMS is more to do with power savings, screen saver is what the name implies
[17:18] <alexbodn> hello friends. i'm trying to buy the optiga tpm slb 9645. could you please point me to an online source?
[17:18] <IT_Sean> did youtry google?
[17:19] <alexbodn> IT_Sean, yes, i did begin there. but i'm probably not doing it good enough ;)
[17:19] <plum> i checked it too just now, the official site points you to a "buy" page that has no option to actually buy it
[17:20] <plum> that's first Google result, anyway
[17:20] <plum> alexbodn: you might want to try this page
[17:20] <plum> https://products.avnet.com/shop/en/emea/optiga%C3%A2%E2%80%9E%C2%A2-tpm-slb-9645-60-65-70-3074457345629809897
[17:20] <alexbodn> i'm not that experienced, so i found even less
[17:21] <plum> i had to email to order some hardware recently, you may need to do the same or call for this one on the Contact Us button there
[17:22] <plum> i think with some sensors and computing hardware products the market isn't broad enough to have an easy click-to-buy solution, might need to contact the manufacturer in these cases
[17:22] <alexbodn> indeed no option to buy
[17:22] <plum> could be entirely wrong though :) but yeah i'd try contacting them through email or phone on that link
[17:23] <alexbodn> ok, i'll do it too. thanks a lot :)
[17:23] <plum> no problem! hope you are able to get it
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[18:32] <CoJaBo> So apperently, the Pi W is a thing
[18:32] <CoJaBo> I wish there was a microcenter near me :/
[18:32] <plum> it came out like 2 days after i finally ordered a zero
[18:32] <plum> hahaha
[18:32] * GenteelBen sniffs CoJaBo
[18:33] <GenteelBen> Smells like elderberry.
[18:33] <CoJaBo> The stupid part is, I was just there last week
[18:33] <CoJaBo> I passed by 3 of em. Didn't know the W existed at the time :/
[18:33] <GenteelBen> Doesn't the RPi still use ancient ARM cores?
[18:34] <GenteelBen> I'm waiting for a release with modern cores (A57?) before plunging in.
[18:34] <GenteelBen> Ah wait no the RPi 3 has A53 cores which are as new.
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[18:35] <CoJaBo> I'm guessing the W still has the ancient one.. but still, wifi
[18:36] <GenteelBen> USB wireless stub dongle no worky with the regular Pi?
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[18:38] <plum> stub dongle?
[18:39] <CoJaBo> GenteelBen: It's almost as big as the pi
[18:39] <akk> How do I get raspistill to take a photo without displaying anything on the screen or waiting for user input?
[18:39] <akk> It used to be non-interactive but seems to have changed.
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[18:41] <akk> The options I get when I run it with no arguments don't mention this display or how to turn it off (or am I just not seeing it?)
[18:42] <akk> Oh, think I found it, -n
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[18:45] <plum> sorry i haven't used the pi camera before so i don't have any recommendations :(
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[18:49] <kerio> new wireless pi zero: now actually useful
[18:50] <plum> yay!
[18:50] <kerio> yo would it be bad to sandwich a pi0w between two pieces of cardboard
[18:51] <plum> it probably wouldn't appreciate the heat accumulation
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[18:52] <plum> i could be wrong but cardboard seems to be a decent insulator, i'd be wary of the heat because of it
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[18:53] <kerio> what could i use instead?
[18:53] <plum> maybe you could have it run complex things so it will heat itself within the cardboard and you have a hand warmer! :P
[18:54] <plum> they sell cases though
[18:54] <plum> plastic sandwich-style like you mentioned
[18:54] <kerio> 10€ board, 15€ case
[18:54] <kerio> eeeeeh
[18:55] <ShorTie> what are you trying to do with the pi0w
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[18:55] <stiv> you can put it in a cardboard box, just make sure there is ventilation.
[18:55] <kerio> ShorTie: letting it exist
[18:55] <ShorTie> hot glue it
[18:56] <kerio> to what
[18:56] <plum> you might be able to wittle it
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[18:56] <plum> out of wood
[18:56] <kerio> oh that would be cool
[18:56] <ShorTie> then i'd need to know what your doing, lol.
[18:56] <plum> widdle yourself a widdle (huehuehue) case
[18:56] <plum> or use an altoids tin
[18:56] <kerio> right now it's strapped to a piece of cardboard
[18:56] <shauno> why 15eur for a case? the official one's pretty nifty, and it's half that
[18:57] <kerio> shauno: i was exaggerating to make a point
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[18:57] <kerio> the official case has a curved top tho
[18:57] <ShorTie> i mount my pi's on a piece of 3" channel to "exist"
[18:57] <plum> kerio: this looks cool
[18:57] <plum> https://blog.adafruit.com/2017/02/17/use-an-altoids-tin-to-create-a-portable-raspberry-pi-zero-workstation-raspberry_pi-piday-raspberrypi/
[18:57] <kerio> that is literally shoved in
[18:58] <plum> yeah, i'd prefer it mounted somehow
[18:58] <ShorTie> gives them some wieght so the wiring doesn't move them around
[18:58] <Rickta59> https://thepihut.com/products/nucleus-zero-for-raspberry-pi-zero-wood
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[18:58] <plum> that's a pretty case!
[18:58] <Rickta59> heh i was thinking hideous .. but no accounting for taste
[18:59] <Rickta59> might as well let some bread go stale and use raspberry jelly to stick it to gether
[18:59] <akk> I wish I liked altoids better, the tins are such nice electronics project boxes.
[18:59] <plum> i'm iffy about the large holes, wish they could design it to look a little less like Halo 1 alien technology
[18:59] <plum> but i like the overall design
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[19:00] <plum> i feel the same akk, lol
[19:00] <Rickta59> https://all3dp.com/raspberry-pi-zero-case/
[19:00] <akk> For a while, Velamints chocolate mints did the trick, not sure if they're still around (same tin, much better tasting candy).
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[19:01] <plum> those are cute cases haha
[19:01] <Rickta59> i like the pi zero cluster
[19:01] <plum> kerio you may be able to find some custom made ones like Rickta59 sent
[19:01] <plum> people make 3d print designs
[19:01] <plum> some people sell them on etsy and whatnot
[19:01] <CoJaBo> i should get a 3d printer
[19:02] <kerio> ok theres no way that swivel case acttually allows for airflow
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[19:02] <akk> Those are cute cases, though sometimes I think people make cases for Pis just because they can't think of any better use for a 3d printer.
[19:02] * akk hasn't thought of a use for one either, even now that I sometimes have access to one
[19:02] <Rickta59> or to protect the pi
[19:02] <CoJaBo> lol
[19:03] <CoJaBo> I've had access to ones for a while, and still never came up with a good use :/
[19:03] <CoJaBo> (even the $$$$$$$$$$$ commercial ones)
[19:03] <akk> Does it really need much protection? Mine mostly just sit on the table or dangle from a wire.
[19:03] <akk> Unless they have to be outside, in which case I've used tupperware boxes and milk cartons.
[19:03] <kerio> akk: well i put a piece of cardboard on the bottom
[19:04] <kerio> because there's still pads and stuff
[19:04] <CoJaBo> I have one sitting atop a subwoofer
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[19:04] <CoJaBo> I used to have it in a box to protect it from cats. but the cats ate the box :/
[19:04] <kerio> omnomnom
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[19:05] <akk> CoJaBo: You're not supposed to make a project box out of tuna!
[19:05] <CoJaBo> akk: They were screw boxes from the hardware store :/
[19:05] <CoJaBo> I also have a mini Raspberry Pie box
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[19:49] <plum> hmmm
[19:49] <plum> i imagine you could use a matchbox or a cigarette box for a tiny inexpensive pi zero case too
[19:50] <oq> that would be tacky as hell
[19:50] <plum> didn't say it would look good at all :P
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[19:50] <oq> why not spend a few bucks on a proper case or even just two pieces of acylic
[19:50] <plum> ^ that's what i'd do too
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[19:50] <plum> i like the official raspberry pi zero case
[19:51] <plum> it's weird though, the official raspberry pi case didn't have enough room for the pi + sense hat on mine
[19:51] <plum> (pi case, not pi zero)
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[19:54] <oq> plum: I think pimoronis pi zero case works better with hats
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[19:54] <oq> sinces its just layers of acrylic you can easily mod it how you like
[19:55] <plum> definitely, i've had good luck with their stuff. i ended up using a dremel to trim some plastic so there would be enough room for the hat while still being able to close
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[20:12] <iKarith> I'm a fan of the acrylic solution for the Pi Zero
[20:12] <iKarith> Currently I'm a fan of the flirc cases for the Pi 3.
[20:13] <oq> expensive though
[20:14] <iKarith> $15 or so
[20:14] <iKarith> (amazon)
[20:14] <iKarith> I realize that's a little pricey as Pi cases go
[20:14] <oq> 3x the price of the foundations one here
[20:15] <iKarith> Thing is I tend to need my onboard UART to work. And that requires either locking the speed low or high.
[20:15] <iKarith> If you lock it high, you need the cooling. If you lock it low, you're really limiting an already limited platform.
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[20:17] <iKarith> Now if I could find an RTC I trust that'll fit in the case with it.
[20:19] <Simonious> Where are my getty processes?
[20:21] <Simonious> and where is inittab?
[20:21] <iKarith> Simonious: welcome to systemd.
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[20:22] <iKarith> Simonious: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd_FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_default_number_of_gettys.3F may answer what you're trying to accomplish.
[20:24] <Simonious> looking ty
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[20:25] <iKarith> Unless you work for RedHat, most people seem to develop a love/hate relationship with systemd. Others a hate/hate relationship. On the whole it's not AWFUL, it's just different, and not as well understood as you'd like.
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[20:27] <iKarith> It's one of the many forced marches to a "better way" (where better is basically just deciding to ape either Apple or Microsoft, Apple in this case, without actually using their design which at this point is better understood/documented and simpler in scope.)
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[20:31] <iKarith> WHEN it works, it's kind of cool actually: init, cron, syslog, inetd, daemontools, udev, dbus, and more in one convenient package! And a systemd unit file can actually do the stuff LSB promised with its LSB-universal init scripts but couldn't deliver.
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[20:33] <akk> It has some good ideas behind it, but by the time someone gets around to documenting it and making it all work, distros will have switched to something else.
[20:33] <iKarith> I don't think so this time
[20:34] <iKarith> Partly because it has borged everything into itself, and party because systemd actually does deliver all of those things, IF you can make it work.
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[20:36] <iKarith> There are a few holdouts in places like gentoo, and it's still totally optional with dists like Arch and technically Debian, but the resistance to it has begun to fade because the largest groups of people objecting to it are curmudgeons who hate anything changing, and Linux hot rodders who want the absolute leanest and most optimized OMG fast system startup times.
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[20:37] <iKarith> ...and systemd as big as it is, delivers on the latter if you take the time to configure it.
[20:37] <akk> Ha, if you think the resistance has faded you're not on the same LUG lists I'm on.
[20:37] <akk> (Not that any of those people will change anything)
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[20:37] <iKarith> I didn't say moaning and groaning about it has faded.
[20:38] <iKarith> I do a fair amount of that myself ;)
[20:38] <akk> Certainly the Decision Has Been Made by the major distros.
[20:38] <akk> Which, sadly, also takes pressure off to implement the unimplemented things (like wakeup from suspend) or document anything.
[20:39] <iKarith> I'd agree with that.
[20:40] <iKarith> And non-RH-based distributions mask off so much of it that existing practical documentation only tentatively applies.
[20:41] <akk> Yeah, on debian I still seem to be able to push around /etc/init.d scripts even though supposedly it's systemd.
[20:42] <iKarith> Debian actually forked over it, but then Debian backpedaled on the decision to go all-in to make the fork no longer relevant. I guess it still exists, but little steam behind it now.
[20:42] <akk> There are lots of debian derivatives whose main reason for existence is not using systemd.
[20:43] <iKarith> I kinda wish Debian had stuck to their plan to go all-in since it'd mean more stuff would just work.
[20:43] <akk> Even though you can do that with packages already (supposedly, I haven't tried it) under regular Debian.
[20:43] <iKarith> akk: Devuan exists for that reason. The others are mostly going the systemd route slowly but surely.
[20:43] <akk> Yeah, it'll be like ubuntu with half sysvinit, half upstart for 10 years.
[20:44] <akk> Upstart had some good ideas too, but you don't win hearts and minds by replacing 20% of a system and then claiming it's ready.
[20:44] <iKarith> I see upstart as more evolutionary.
[20:45] <iKarith> One of the things I actually like about systemd is that it reduces system requirements a fair bit. Why the hell do we need a MTA on a Linux system in 2017? With systemd, if you've fully embraced it, you probably don't.
[20:47] * BurtyB prefers the "make each program do one thing well" approach
[20:47] <akk> How does systemd replace an MTA? Please don't tell me it has support for POP and IMAP and local mail delivery built in.
[20:47] * akk is with BurtyB on that
[20:47] <iKarith> BurtyB: I'd agree.
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[20:52] <iKarith> _ideally_ I'd like to see systemd push for a stable but scalable interface between its components and spin its components back out into separate projects once the interfaces between them are better defined.
[20:53] <iKarith> That's actually what I planned to do with Raspple II, except that the old wheezy-based scripts just have too many problems.
[20:53] <Trel> How does (does it at all?) the raspberry pi 3 handle H.265?
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[20:55] <oq> Trel: it has no hardware support for it.. so not well at all
[20:56] <binaryhermit> I was under the impression that Kodi 17 had a GPU-accelerated HEVC driver that did ok on the pi3
[20:56] <binaryhermit> but I haven't tried it
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[20:59] <Trel> Hmm, any way to know for sure, I don't have the pi3 at the moment, I'm on the fence about getting that or building something cheap as I can to be a Kodi front end to a networked backend.
[21:00] <Trel> I don't want to buy it for this purpose if it can't play h.265 (for what it's worth, the videos would be 720, not 1080)
[21:00] <binaryhermit> I've got kodi 17 on a RPi3 at home, but I'm not currently at home
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[21:03] <Trel> If I'm still on later tonight, I could probably send you an example file to try with and see how it plays.
[21:03] <Trel> If you'd be willing
[21:04] <binaryhermit> I'll try
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[21:14] <jamesaxl> hi
[21:14] <iKarith> kinda wish someone had ever written a driver for the Elgato Turbo.264 HD actually. It's basically a coprocessor connected via USB that is used by proprietary Mac software to encode H.264 quickly on systems that don't have the muscle for it. The encodes are noticably larger than they need to be, lacking optimizations. But the device is basically a hardware math chip and it ought to be able to speed up
[21:14] <iKarith> other codecs as well.
[21:15] <jamesaxl> which device should i use to get Mobiles waves?
[21:15] <iKarith> it just wasn't needed to.
[21:15] <lopta> What's an Elgato?
[21:15] <lopta> Oh, you explained that. Sounds hideous, anyway.
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[21:16] <akk> It sounds pretty useful to me. There are so many small cheap fanless boxes that would make great set-tops, except, too slow.
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[21:17] <iKarith> It was mostly a way for those Core Duo and Core 2 Duo chips to keep up compressing H.264 for devices like iPhones and PSPs
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[21:18] <iKarith> Yeah, and the processors are cheap because they were pretty cheap back in the day and, well, nobody who bought one still needs it for the machine they bought it for. :)
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[21:19] <iKarith> Back in 2007 or 2008 though, they were great ways to plow through a bunch of other files and get them onto your new-fangled H.264-using devices.
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[21:22] <iKarith> The OTHER unicorn I'd like to find ... is an Android tablet with 1920x1080 screen with AV input so you can connect it to things like netbooks and RPis and whatnot while carrying one fewer device.
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[21:23] <akk> I'd like to find a tablet running Linux instead of Android (but still with decent size and battery use)
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[21:23] <akk> then you could connect anything to it.
[21:23] <iKarith> Likely not going to still have a video input
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[21:24] <akk> No, but you could ssh -X and similar.
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[21:27] <lopta> I should really just go out and buy a new card reader.
[21:27] <lopta> ...then the other one will turn up the following day.
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[22:27] <julius_> hi
[22:31] <jamesaxl> hi
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[22:31] <jamesaxl> i think we do not need to upgrade our pkgs? cause they ask me about 4Go :)
[22:32] <julius_> is it possible to attach a camera to the pi zero and have it not use any power until activated?
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[22:51] <dan_j> Hi. The TFT touchscreen I bought for my pi uses up some of the gpio pins. I want to connect a serial device to the pi but can't because the pins are taken. Is it possible to use other pins for serial io?
[22:51] <dan_j> Or, can someone recommend a small touchscreen which doesnt taken up the gpio pins?
[22:53] <lopta> Hello dan_j!
[22:53] <dan_j> Hello
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[22:59] <IT_Sean> dan_j: the foundation's Official display doesn't use GPIO
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[22:59] <dan_j> Thanks. Any idea why all the third party ones tend to go for the gpio?
[22:59] <IT_Sean> because that's the only way they could work?
[23:00] <dan_j> Is the foundation's one touchscreen?
[23:00] <IT_Sean> yes.
[23:01] <ali1234> hurr durr don't run autogen.sh twice in the same dir in two different terminals
[23:01] <dan_j> Do you mean the 7" one? Is there a smaller one?
[23:01] <ali1234> it doesn't work very well
[23:01] <ali1234> dan_j: no there is only one official one and it is 7"
[23:01] <dan_j> ok. thanks
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[23:01] <Broly> don't all the screens use the same port. the serial or whatever
[23:02] <ali1234> no
[23:02] <Broly> they all had similar issues wrt dual screens
[23:02] <IT_Sean> no. The foundation one uses the DSI connector.
[23:02] <Broly> oh
[23:02] <ali1234> there's like 5 different ways you can add a sreen to raspberry pi
[23:02] <ali1234> maybe six
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[23:03] <Broly> right, but from what i've seen, usually they're sold to use that serial port or whatever. and you have to modify the config.txt to boot the screen at start
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[23:03] <Broly> dunno if the dual screen issues (having both the TFT & display working togehter) have been fixed. weren't approx 6 months ago.
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[23:06] <dan_j> thanks. ordered.
[23:06] <Broly> foundation one will probably be better, i don't have any experience with that one. or anyone askingabout it. just the adafruit and pitft
[23:06] <Broly> (if the latter two aren't the same)
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[23:15] <ali1234> i think there is something wrong with my A+
[23:15] <ali1234> or rather i think there is something wrong with raspbian
[23:15] <ali1234> it should not be this slow
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[23:19] <hmoney> ali1234 the gui? it's an old pi man..
[23:19] <ali1234> no, headless
[23:19] <ali1234> it is taking ten minutes just to run configure
[23:19] <ali1234> i installed cmake and it took 15 minutes to unpack
[23:20] <ali1234> its like a clock is wrong or something
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[23:25] <akk> I've been noticing the same thing with model Bs -- didn't remember them being this slooooooow.
[23:25] <akk> Maybe they always were and we just didn't notice.
[23:25] <akk> (Installing any package takes hours.)
[23:26] <shauno> shouldn't be too difficult to find an old image and compare?
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[23:28] <ali1234> i do have an old image and it is much faster :/
[23:28] <ali1234> it could be an sd card difference... but i doubt it
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[23:29] <shauno> there is good news. if I had to pick someone who'd take a little too much pleasure narrowing down the exact detail that's causing a difference .. it'd probably be you
[23:30] <ali1234> thanks :)
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[23:45] <shauno> I really need to tidy up better. I have a horrible habit of just grabbing all the cruft on my desktop, and throwing it in a folder. Do that enough times, and .. well, I just found an old image in ~/Desktop/tidier/tidy/stuff/test/2016-03-18-raspbian-jessie-lite.img
[23:45] <ali1234> i do that irl
[23:46] <ali1234> if i want to find something i have to find the box from whenever
[23:46] <oq> you should timestamp your tidy folders
[23:46] <shauno> I've given up trying to tidy my desk. It's bigger than me, I ain't gonna pick fights. But my ~/Desktop tends to get panic-tidied when I have to make screenshots for something
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