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IRC Log for 2017-03-22

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[0:34] <smw_> Hi all. Anyone know where to find the firmware for the rpi3 wifi?
[0:37] <ali1234> yes
[0:37] <ali1234> its in the package firmware-brcm80211
[0:37] <ali1234> in the foundation repo
[0:41] <smw_> ali1234: thanks!
[0:42] <smw_> ali1234: is there a guide to getting wifi to work on non-debian? Configs, kernel options, firmware, etc/
[0:42] <smw_> ?
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[0:42] <ali1234> i don't know
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[2:26] <redrabbit> wew, took me 2 days but my AutoRpi script is almost done
[2:26] <redrabbit> no more manual headless setups
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[2:28] <redrabbit> it downloads image/unpack/lets you choose username, password, hostname, layou
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[2:30] <redrabbit> t, add ssh keys, remove auto-resize, setup the wlan so it is ready to go headless immediately
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[2:31] <rikk> github and share it to the world :D
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[2:38] <redrabbit> i dont have a github
[2:38] <redrabbit> i have a site though
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[2:42] * redrabbit adding features
[2:42] <rikk> if it allows you to share, it's all that matters. i mean, if you want to open source it
[2:42] <redrabbit> "Restrict ssh to non-root user/key only login y/N"
[2:42] <ExeciN> I have put a heatsink on my pi and overclocked it. I'm using a usb powered fan on top of the heatsink to create some airflow around the heatsink. Is there a way to cut power from a usb port? I'd like to add a cron job to start the fan on working hours and stop the fan when I go to sleep.
[2:42] <redrabbit> yeah i'm going to share it
[2:42] <rikk> anyway, good job. maybe someone will use/modify/learn from it
[2:43] <redrabbit> i hope its going to be useful for a lot of people
[2:43] <ExeciN> I'm on rpi 1 (rev 2) if it matters
[2:43] <redrabbit> i see lots of guys coming here for help with headless
[2:43] <redrabbit> ExeciN: probably not possible
[2:43] <redrabbit> power is hard wired
[2:43] <redrabbit> i think
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[2:44] <redrabbit> i do tried things like hub-ctrl
[2:44] <redrabbit> not really working
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[2:44] <redrabbit> only sort of
[2:45] <redrabbit> why do you need the OC, just curious
[2:45] <redrabbit> i don't know if i should add a step with DD in my script though
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[2:46] <redrabbit> seems like error prone to ask the user to pick sdX
[2:46] <redrabbit> im gonna let people put the image on the card manually
[2:48] <ExeciN> redrabbit: I was using npm and it was taking too long to just install nuclide (and its deps)
[2:49] <ExeciN> the bottleneck was the cpu
[2:49] <redrabbit> do you need that 24/7
[2:49] <ExeciN> no
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[2:49] <redrabbit> then use regular clock and forget about the fan
[2:49] <redrabbit> ;)
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[2:49] <redrabbit> im not partial though. fan noise sucks
[2:50] <ExeciN> it makes xdebug sessions a bit lighter
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[2:50] <redrabbit> best bet would be use the gpio to control fan
[2:50] <ExeciN> how much current can I draw from gpio?
[2:50] <redrabbit> i don't know
[2:51] <ExeciN> also gpio is 3.3v logic iirc
[2:51] <redrabbit> could use a transitor$
[2:51] <ExeciN> and you probably can't draw much current
[2:52] <ExeciN> I think I'll try and find a 3.3v relay
[2:52] <redrabbit> aliexpress for cheap parts
[2:53] <redrabbit> maybe a relay is overkill
[2:53] <ExeciN> I like the isolation
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[3:01] <ball> I'd probably want a transistor (or Darlington driver) between a GPIO pin and a relay
[3:01] <ball> ...but perhaps I'm just overly cautious.
[3:02] <ball> ExeciN: Have you looked at relay hats?
[3:02] <redrabbit> for a tiny 5v fan heh
[3:02] <redrabbit> there's relays in aliexpress for 50 cents
[3:02] <ball> Oh, is that what he or she is driving?
[3:02] <redrabbit> that can handle 220V
[3:02] <ball> Never mind then.
[3:03] <redrabbit> a transistor would suffice for the fan to cool the rpi
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[3:04] <redrabbit> look at the actual currents and calculate your needs
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[3:06] <ball> 4A >:-)
[3:08] <redrabbit> erf instead of finishing my script i cant help but adding extra stuff
[3:08] <redrabbit> gotta do an advanced mode or its gonna be confusing for the regular
[3:08] <redrabbit> keepin it lean
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[3:11] <ball> seriously though, can the GPIO pins sink more current than they source?
[3:12] <plugwash> I don't belive there have ever been any official electrical specs provided for the Pis IO pins
[3:13] <ball> Any general rules of thumb?
[3:13] <ball> Rumours? Ancient tales?
[3:13] <plugwash> It's not uncommon for digital outputs to be able to sink more than they can source but I dunno if anyone has tested the Pi specifically.
[3:14] <ball> If the pin is glowing, that's too much, right?
[3:15] <plugwash> lol
[3:15] <d0rm0us3> If the pin is glowing it's getting ready to desolder itself
[3:15] <plugwash> either way you really shouldn't be driving stuff like relays or motors directly off an IO pin on any device
[3:16] <plugwash> and you certainly shouldn't be doing it on a relatively sensitive device like the Pi
[3:17] <redrabbit> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-1PCS-5V-low-level-trigger-One-1-Channel-Relay-Module-interface-Board-Shield-For/32480128984.html
[3:18] <redrabbit> just received a buch of them
[3:18] <ball> redrabbit: Those are 5V though, right?
[3:19] <redrabbit> they power from 5V
[3:19] <redrabbit> the signal to turn them on is on the IN pin
[3:19] <ball> ...so they'll take a 3V3 logic input?
[3:20] <redrabbit> probably
[3:20] <redrabbit> im gonna build a iot lamp or somethingl like that with an esp
[3:21] <redrabbit> try to trigger them the the rpi as well
[3:21] <redrabbit> waiting for the gear
[3:21] <ali1234> i like the RF controlled plugs
[3:22] <ali1234> no need to do any mains wiring
[3:22] <redrabbit> i have a bunch of them
[3:22] <redrabbit> how do you control from from the pi ?
[3:22] <ali1234> you can just get a radio module and connect that to a pi
[3:22] <ali1234> i combined a radio module and an AVR to make a USB dongle: https://github.com/ali1234/avr-433
[3:22] <redrabbit> yeah how do you get the codes/ repeat them
[3:23] <redrabbit> SDR ?
[3:23] <ali1234> i reverse engineered the protocol using an rtl-sdr
[3:23] <redrabbit> SDR aint cheap though
[3:23] <ali1234> the protocol is extremely simple
[3:23] <ali1234> rtl-sdr is
[3:23] <ali1234> they cost $10
[3:23] <redrabbit> ah i think i have some
[3:23] <redrabbit> the DVB-T dongles right?
[3:23] <ali1234> yeah
[3:23] <redrabbit> neat
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[3:23] <redrabbit> i have two
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[3:24] <ball> Ah, if only DVB-T were a thing here.
[3:24] <ali1234> the protocol on mine is driven by a chip that is meant for TV remotes
[3:24] <redrabbit> the blue one is the best i think
[3:24] <redrabbit> RTL something
[3:24] <ali1234> they just connected it to a radio instead of IR LED
[3:24] <redrabbit> yeah they come by with that small useless remote
[3:24] <ali1234> so it literally only sends like 3 byte commands
[3:24] <redrabbit> ill find a use for them one day
[3:25] <redrabbit> so you listen to the signal with rtl sdr and you replay via a cheap radio module
[3:25] <ali1234> yes, exactly
[3:25] <redrabbit> do you have refs for theses modules
[3:25] <redrabbit> im gonna order one
[3:26] <ali1234> the module i used was a 433MHz AM radio but the modulation might be different on yours
[3:26] <redrabbit> ah i have to find out ok
[3:26] <ali1234> i think this is the module i used https://www.rfsolutions.co.uk/radio-modules-c10/qam-tx2-433-am-transmitter-module-p347
[3:27] <ali1234> and i generate the signal with SPI
[3:27] <redrabbit> ok i have the remote :) 433.05-434.79MHz
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[3:27] <ali1234> good start, you need to figure out if it is AM, FM, or something else
[3:27] <redrabbit> ihaote FHT-7901F Tx
[3:27] <ali1234> AM is the cheapest and simplest way to do it
[3:28] <redrabbit> could be the same as yours
[3:28] <redrabbit> its the most common ever
[3:28] <ali1234> could well be
[3:28] <redrabbit> like the generic cheap
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[3:29] <redrabbit> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=133890
[3:29] <redrabbit> ^^
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[3:29] <Voop> hi guys. i have openelc/kodi installed and have been running it on a pi zero
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[3:29] <redrabbit> i dont understand though
[3:29] <ali1234> a few other people have done the same as me :)
[3:29] <Voop> however the same SD card wont boot in a pi2
[3:30] <redrabbit> ali1234: i found someone on the forum who did it but not in english
[3:30] <Voop> is it configured to the zero? or is there a way i can get it to boot from a pi2
[3:30] <ali1234> http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/remote-controlled-mains-sockets-set-3-pack-n79ka these are the plugs i have
[3:31] <ali1234> although they might be selling different ones now, who knows
[3:31] <redrabbit> https://www.samkear.com/hardware/control-power-outlets-wirelessly-raspberry-pi
[3:31] <ali1234> Voop: the latest raspbian image will boot on any pi, but older ones don't, same goes for other distributions
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[3:32] <ali1234> redrabbit: looks the same, yes
[3:32] <Voop> ali1234: of openelc?
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[3:32] <redrabbit> looks like i found a neat how to
[3:32] <Voop> im using the latest one
[3:32] <ali1234> Voop: i'm not familiar with that one specifically
[3:33] <Voop> so i probably need to reinstall it to work on a different pi
[3:33] <Voop> lame
[3:33] <ali1234> maybe
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[3:34] <redrabbit> ali1234: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/duckhighwhat/32787758984.html
[3:34] <ball> Voop: It's understandable, given the different hardware.
[3:34] <redrabbit> turns out i ordered it already from a parts shopping spree
[3:34] <redrabbit> should arrive soon
[3:34] <ali1234> https://plus.google.com/photos/photo/117474986382867317779/6061612238627931362?icm=false is my transmitter
[3:34] <Voop> there are files for every pi in the main partition
[3:35] <redrabbit> neat
[3:35] <Voop> for example bcm2835-rpi-2-b.dtb
[3:36] <Voop> i dont know what a .dtb file does though
[3:36] <ali1234> it's a device tree. it describes the hardware to the kernel
[3:36] <ali1234> do you have kernel7?
[3:36] <Voop> how do i find that
[3:36] <ali1234> it would be in /boot
[3:37] <Voop> theres kernel.img
[3:37] <ali1234> there should be kernel7.img as well
[3:37] <Voop> nope
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[3:38] <ali1234> redrabbit: so i can plug that usb device into PC or RPi, and the software is portable with libusb
[3:38] <ali1234> it's a simple command line util, so it can be scripted, called from a web page etc
[3:38] <Voop> what does that transmitter do
[3:39] <ali1234> Voop: it turns the plugs on and off
[3:39] <Voop> oh. cool
[3:39] <ali1234> i use it for my lights
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[3:40] <ali1234> i also made this, it serves a control panel for it using python: https://gist.github.com/ali1234/0b1f793ac693081cc8a29f7e874404fa
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[3:40] <ali1234> Voop: if you don't have kernel7.img, then your sd card won't work in Pi 2 or 3
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[3:41] <ali1234> i don't know why you don't have it, you'd have to ask the openelec maintainers
[3:41] <ali1234> i think everyone is using libreelec instead these days?
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[3:42] <ali1234> actually something i wanted to do is make a ceiling light socket version
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[3:43] <ali1234> but there's something about the way lights are wired that makes it impossible
[3:43] <skurys> Hey if I may ask of some assistance from you fine ppl... I have pi0 W, usb port wont work with any devices. I was able to SSH into it and lsusb is returning : Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
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[3:43] <ali1234> did you use the right connector?
[3:43] <skurys> also if i plug in a device and dmesg I get: dwc2 20980000.usb: dwc2_hsotg_enqueue_setup: failed queue (-11)
[3:43] <ali1234> only one of them accepts devices, the other is power only
[3:44] <ali1234> hmm
[3:44] <ali1234> what kind of otg adapter are you using?
[3:44] <ali1234> an official supplied one?
[3:44] <skurys> idk its black and came with my kit from canakit.com
[3:45] <ball> Yay! Canakit.
[3:45] <skurys> strangely also during the noobs install it worked but stopped working midway while it was installing rasbian
[3:45] <ali1234> it might be a faulty pi or a faulty adapter, or maybe USB device uses too much power
[3:45] <skurys> and also i was able to touch the back of the board and it would work and stop when i let go now even that doesnt do anything.. very weird lol
[3:46] <ali1234> ugh... i had that problem before
[3:46] <ali1234> with wifi dongles
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[3:46] <ali1234> although that was caused by a whole collection of bugs interacting with each other
[3:46] <ali1234> and they are fixed now
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[3:48] <Voop> ali1234: oh, i am using libreelec
[3:48] <skurys> otg adapter i tried in my s3 and i couldnt get anything to work in there either, usb drive, mouse, nada but i never tried before so might be the phone so who knows :/
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[3:48] <ali1234> Voop: in that case, ask the libreelec maintainers instead :)
[3:49] <ali1234> i plugged a mouse into my android the other day and it just worked
[3:49] <ali1234> and then i plugged in a joystick and that just worked as well... impressive
[3:49] <ali1234> you can use the whole android UI with either
[3:50] <ali1234> so i think you might have a dodgy OTG adapter
[3:50] <skurys> i hope i can find some place local with a otg adapter in my 2 horse town lol or else gonna suck to wait for shipping
[3:50] <ali1234> do you have a linux PC to test something?
[3:51] <skurys> have another pi, a 3b that i just got also in my living room idk if that works
[3:51] <ali1234> that will do, if you can get a shell on it
[3:51] <skurys> i am ssh'ed into the zero atm tho
[3:52] <ali1234> well, this is what i want you to do
[3:52] <ali1234> shut down the zero, unplug SD card
[3:52] <ali1234> get a regular micro USB cable, like youd use to connect your phone to a PC
[3:52] <ali1234> plug the micro end into the zero USB port
[3:52] <ali1234> and the "big" end into the pi 3
[3:53] <ali1234> dont plug in anything else, no power supply on the zero
[3:53] <ali1234> then run lsusb on the pi 3
[3:53] <ali1234> you should see "Bus 001 Device 019: ID 0a5c:2763 Broadcom Corp."
[3:53] <ali1234> just the "0a5c:2763 Broadcom Corp." part is important
[3:53] <skurys> k one sec
[3:53] <ali1234> if you see that, it means the zero USB port is working fine
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[3:57] <skurys> 0a5c:2763 Broadcom Corp. yup shows up
[3:57] <ali1234> okay, good. it is probably your adapter then
[3:58] <Voop> what adaptor is it
[3:58] <ali1234> it could also be a software issue
[3:58] <ali1234> i think one version of raspbian got released with a USB bug. i didn't see it myself
[3:58] <ali1234> Voop: a canakit otg one
[3:59] <Voop> https://www.canakit.com/Media/1500/1319.jpg ?
[3:59] <ali1234> skurys: you might want to try redownloading noobs or just normal raspbian, latest version, and reinstalling
[3:59] <ali1234> Voop: it's black apparently
[3:59] <Voop> i dont see why that adapter would be broken
[3:59] <Voop> it could be but i doubt it
[3:59] <ali1234> wires can break
[4:00] <skurys> i did try rasbian via noobs, then standalone rasbian image, which i then apt get update'd... same with libreelec, osmc
[4:00] <skurys> all were no go
[4:01] <skurys> there were a few times where id get intermittent mouse response as if i was going out of range but something but i was right next to it, on other stuff (rpi3,pc) this doesnt happen and same with wired mouse/kb pluggged in
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[4:02] <Voop> do you have an andriod phone
[4:02] <skurys> voop: ya same thing but black
[4:02] <Voop> try the adapter/mouse on your phone
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[4:02] <ali1234> that really sounds like a break in the wire
[4:02] <skurys> yup, i tried the otg on there and couldnt get anything to work. tho admittedly i never tried b4 on this phone so might be on the phone end hard to be sure
[4:03] <skurys> mouse and usb stick both didnt recognize that i tried on the phone
[4:04] <Voop> i bought this
[4:04] <Voop> https://www.amazon.com/CHENYANG-Ultra-Adapter-Connector-Tablet/dp/B015GZOHKW/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1490151858&sr=8-8&keywords=micro+usb+to+usb
[4:04] <Voop> they work great
[4:05] <ali1234> i have some of those too, they do work very well
[4:05] <ali1234> can be hard to remove from the plug though
[4:05] <skurys> o nice no cable to possibly wear out at least
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[4:08] <skurys> man if that micro side wasnt so tiny i could test with multimeter
[4:14] <skurys> so with those little adapters that goes basically in the inside of the male connector part on whatever u are plugging in and kinda just sits there outside the device
[4:14] <ali1234> yes
[4:15] <skurys> ok why not, cant hurt to have afew of those around... and will prolly get here before the time it would take to rma just the otg lol
[4:18] <Voop> the first adapter i got was L shaped on the mini end
[4:18] <Voop> so it blocked the other port
[4:19] <Voop> ended up connecting a powered hub to the non power port and overvolted it
[4:19] <Voop> worked like a charm
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[4:20] <ali1234> you can power the zero through either port, there's nothing in between them
[4:20] <ali1234> but only one works for USB signals
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[4:21] <ali1234> hubs aren't supposed to back power, but most of them do anyway
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[4:26] <skurys> just curious why overvolt?
[4:27] <Voop> so it backfeeds
[4:29] <skurys> pardon my newbness what does that mean :)
[4:31] <CoJaBo> Has anyone had image corruption issues with HDMI lately? I updated several months back, and was met with odd disruption (small dots of static and single-line tearing) that was quite severe (many lines per frame affected); over the last few months this has improved to only one bad line per few seconds, but it's still quite annoying, and very bad compared to my pre-update SD card.. anyone got any ideas? :/
[4:33] <HrdwrBoB> that seems odd
[4:33] <HrdwrBoB> have you tried a different hdmi cable?
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[4:36] <Voop> skurys: normally power goes this way -----> through the usb hub
[4:36] <Voop> to the things plugged into the hub
[4:37] <Voop> what i did was make it go this way <----- through the hub, back to the pi
[4:37] <Voop> so i could power it and have usb ports only using 1 of the ports
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[4:41] <skurys> ah so without overvolting it would power the hub ports but not the input side and now it pushes extra power through that end to the pi
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[4:42] <Voop> from how i understand it yeah
[4:42] <skurys> cool i c th
[4:42] <skurys> *thx
[4:43] <Voop> but you still need a usb mini to regular usb hub for that
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[4:43] <Voop> unfortunately
[4:43] <Voop> s/hub/adapter
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[4:51] <CoJaBo> HrdwrBoB: It's not the cable
[4:51] <CoJaBo> HrdwrBoB: The only variable is the software version
[4:52] <CoJaBo> Messing with the power settings has no affect either
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[5:03] <redrabbit> times flies :o
[5:03] <redrabbit> my script is almost done.. testing it properly now
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[6:26] <genericuser123> How do I restart my x session? will relogging work?
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[6:36] <CoJaBo> genericuser123: Usually. There's also the nuclear option, just kill -9 the xserver :P
[6:37] <CoJaBo> (I wouldn't recommend the latter as a first resort tho, unless it's hung)
[6:38] <metawave> Does pkill x do the same thing?
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[6:39] <genericuser123> Thanks CojaBo. I'm trying to reload the settings for it, is there an easier way? something like source for terminal sessions, eg source ~/.bashrc?
[6:39] <CoJaBo> metawave: Pretty much; there's a bunch of different kill commands, killall being my personal fave
[6:40] <CoJaBo> genericuser123: I'm actually not sure; might be something in the manpage, but I've always just seen "log out, back in". What config/option are you trying to reload
[6:41] <genericuser123> the sleep settings, got it set up as an always on dashboard, and it going to sleep is quite annoying :(
[6:42] <CoJaBo> huh; usually the settings in GUI apply instanyly, when you hit "apply"
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[6:43] <metawave> Could the display itself have a sleep mode?
[6:47] <genericuser123> hmm.. the display would only sleep if it has nothing connected i'd imagine
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[8:02] <ghostboarder> hey guys, been setting up a torrent client with vpn on a rpi3. Trouble is, since i have all the daemons loading at boot, i now have the NTP daemon loading after the OpenVPN service, and its getting 'stuck', probably waiting for an NTP server in a diff time zone. I cant CTRL-C out, and of course rebooting just starts the process again. I also dont have SSH enabled as ive been working on it
[8:02] <ghostboarder> locally. Any hints where to go next?
[8:03] <Sonny_Jim> Odd
[8:03] <Sonny_Jim> You'd think that the openvpn service would check for dependancies
[8:04] <ghostboarder> i know its connecting successfully, and at this point that is actually a problem haha
[8:04] <ghostboarder> i can get at the torrent client remotely, but cant SSH, newb move i know
[8:05] <Sonny_Jim> On a headless setup, ssh is pretty much a must
[8:06] <ghostboarder> well it wasnt going to be headless yet, going through the setup i knew i was going to need SSH, but figured i could do it anytime
[8:06] <Sonny_Jim> It's really easy to enable the SSH server
[8:06] <Sonny_Jim> just create a file in /boot called 'ssh'
[8:06] <ghostboarder> yeah if i can get a command line
[8:07] <ghostboarder> oh, interesting.....i just got some action.....'OK......Started cleanup of temporary directories"
[8:07] <ghostboarder> wierd
[8:07] <Sonny_Jim> You don't need a command line to do that
[8:07] <Sonny_Jim> Take the SD card out, pop it into another computer, create empty file called ssh, reboot
[8:07] <ghostboarder> so thats literally it? create a file named ssh?
[8:08] <ghostboarder> wow this may save my bacon haha
[8:08] <ghostboarder> hmm...empty file in windows. ".file" extension?
[8:09] <Sonny_Jim> Nope
[8:09] <Sonny_Jim> just a file called 'ssh'
[8:09] <Sonny_Jim> No extensions
[8:09] <ghostboarder> no option for that in windows, ill have to strip the extension from a .txt or something
[8:11] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah just create a new document, then rename it
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[8:11] <ghostboarder> ok ill try brb
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[8:16] <ghostboarder> boom, thanks a ton Sonny_Jim!
[8:16] <ghostboarder> glad it was really that easy
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[8:16] <Sonny_Jim> np
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[9:37] <outofsorts> I'm looking at the serial gadget capabilities of the Pi Zero (g_serial, g_multi, g_cdc) and whether it can be speed limited in any way (so as to emulate lower "baud" rates)
[9:39] <HrdwrBoB> er
[9:39] <HrdwrBoB> to what end
[9:40] <mfa298> I'd have thought the baud rate is specified by the end program rather than the driver, the driver may impose some limits though.
[9:40] <mfa298> same as with hardware serial ports
[9:40] <outofsorts> The end program never does any rate limiting, but it might issue an ioctl to the serial device to set the users configured rate.
[9:41] <outofsorts> That's not possible with /dev/ttyGS0 though.
[9:42] <outofsorts> Testing shows that you get about 11 mbit throughput. I want to be able to demonstrate something as low as 300 cps.
[9:42] <mfa298> most of the things I've done with serial ports you specify the baud, bits, parity etc after opening the device, I've not used the serial gadget stuff much though
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[9:44] <outofsorts> I guess it's not really a raspberry pi specific question though, so I might try ##linux
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[10:54] <gordonDrogon> outofsorts, from what I gather usb serial is sort of faked at the bus level - it will go as fast as the bus. it's only when it hits a real uart that things will then go down to the specied speed.
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> so usb gadget to usb host will likely just go as fast as it can actually go.
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> so the only way to enforce speed is to stuck 2 uarts back to back in there - e.g. 2 x ftdi cables but that won't use gadget mode on the pi0 end.
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> or, you write a little shim, so rather than call putchar() you call myPutchar() which keeps track of the time of each byte and delays between bytes accordingly. not perfect as the bits in the byte will go at full line rate, but overall you'll get the same effect.
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> what are you actually trying to test
[10:57] * gordonDrogon re-reads. Yea, 11Mb/ sec - that's explainable as usb1 speeds.
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[10:59] <outofsorts> gordonDrogon: I'm currently trying to get this working with socat, but it doesn't seem to like limiting throughput either.
[10:59] <Habbie> outofsorts, how about pv?
[10:59] <Habbie> pv -L
[10:59] <outofsorts> socat /dev/ttyGS0 PTY,link=/dev/ttyTEST,ispeed=300,ospeed=300
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[11:00] <Habbie> socat just configures the port for you
[11:01] <outofsorts> Habbie: "pv" from which package ?
[11:02] <outofsorts> Habbie: Don't worry ... pv is also the package.
[11:02] <outofsorts> too many hits on apt-cache search
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[11:04] <outofsorts> Habbie: I saw this youtube video where the guy says the gadget serial speed can be set with an ioctl syscall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j-Rb9u3EHc#t=12m37s
[11:05] <outofsorts> (In the video he has a Pi Zero that is acting as a "modem emulator" which emulates dial-out to ancient BBS systems)
[11:07] <outofsorts> Habbie: pv would need to be bidirectional to work with a tty.
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> so I guess the way to do it is to write code to emulate a pty device and plumb it to the usb serial but throttle it character by character...
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[11:15] <gordonDrogon> or... :-) https://youtu.be/x-5lfTqdZUY
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[11:21] <Habbie> outofsorts, yes
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[11:27] <outofsorts> gordonDrogon: complete with teletype sound effects!
[11:28] <outofsorts> gordonDrogon: I think I will just hack in rate limiting into socat.
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[11:34] <gordonDrogon> L(
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> er, :)
[11:36] <outofsorts> Thanks for everyone's thoughts on the matter.
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[12:43] <max12345> hello everyone, I have a raspi that wants a login i don't have. I have found some help topics and stackoverflow answers to the topic, but I'm not sure if they're still up to date.
[12:44] <Habbie> max12345, what kind of login?
[12:44] <max12345> Habbie: login+passwd
[12:44] <Habbie> max12345, try pi / raspberry
[12:44] <max12345> did try that, doesn't work
[12:44] <Habbie> don't know then
[12:44] <max12345> ;)
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[12:46] <nickwebcouk> max12345: is it your raspberry pi?
[12:47] <nickwebcouk> max12345: where did you download the operating system from?
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[12:47] <max12345> nickwebcouk: it's a raspi I got in the scope of a student project, from the person who oversaw another group working with it
[12:47] <nickwebcouk> you'll need to ask them for the login details then.
[12:47] <max12345> they don't have the login details though
[12:48] <max12345> ;)
[12:48] <nickwebcouk> unless you want to reinstall it
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[12:48] <max12345> I would like to not do that, because it's already got one of those touch screen displays configured
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[12:48] <nickwebcouk> that isn't hard to reconfigure. Theres lots of tutorials available online.
[12:49] <max12345> hm. ok I guess I'll just wipe it then...
[12:49] <Habbie> max12345, if you have a spare SD card you can replace it instead of wiping it
[12:49] <max12345> I don't think I do...
[12:49] <Sonny_Jim> You can erase the password
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[12:49] <Habbie> that too
[12:50] <max12345> aaaah how would I erase the password.
[12:50] <Sonny_Jim> Ideally, with another Linux computer
[12:50] <max12345> ok, that's fine I'm on one
[12:50] <Sonny_Jim> As it's a pain to get Windows to read the part of the filesystem
[12:50] <Sonny_Jim> Ah cool
[12:50] <nickwebcouk> does changing the boot options still work for making a FS R/W?
[12:50] <Sonny_Jim> Mount the SD card in the other computer, have a look at /etc/shadow
[12:50] <Sonny_Jim> In there should be the hashed password, simply replace that with a 'known' hash
[12:51] <Sonny_Jim> (at least I think that's how it works)
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[12:51] <max12345> ok I'll try it
[12:51] <Sonny_Jim> Have a look online, should be guides available
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[12:51] <Sonny_Jim> Oh wait
[12:51] <Sonny_Jim> There's an even easier method:
[12:52] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.mapledyne.com/ideas/2015/8/4/reset-lost-admin-password-for-raspberry-pi
[12:52] <max12345> where is "cmdline.txt"
[12:52] <Habbie> in the first partition of the SD
[12:52] <Habbie> that you can read/write even on windows
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[12:53] <max12345> uh. I have it mounted and I'm looking at / .
[12:53] <max12345> where is the first partition from there
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[12:55] <max12345> :/ "boot" is empty. No "cmdline.txt"
[12:55] <Sonny_Jim> Yes, it's a separate partition
[12:55] <Sonny_Jim> Seeing as you have linux available, I would go with the overwriting /etc/shadow
[12:55] <max12345> ok..
[12:57] <Sonny_Jim> Bear in mind you'll need to have _some_ kind of hash in there, removing the hash will stop logins working altogether
[12:57] <nickwebcouk> * should work
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[12:58] <max12345> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/4409/how-do-i-change-recover-my-password
[12:59] <max12345> ok so that advice to just remove it and leave it empty is wrong
[12:59] <max12345> at the bottom of that thread
[12:59] <max12345> what kind of hash should put there then
[12:59] <Sonny_Jim> From what I've just read, leaving it empty gives the password system nothing to check it against
[12:59] <Sonny_Jim> But sure, give it a try
[13:00] <max12345> hm... yeah. worst case I'm back to editing it again
[13:00] <Sonny_Jim> I guess what I read referred to removing the entire line
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[13:02] <max12345> yeah so that worked
[13:02] <max12345> nice
[13:02] <Sonny_Jim> Sweet
[13:02] <max12345> thank you all!
[13:02] <Sonny_Jim> np
[13:03] <Sonny_Jim> And it's a good lesson in security, local access to the device usually results in total pwnage
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[14:29] <Simonious> http://pastebin.com/nheVLbNK
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[14:32] <gordonDrogon> Simonious, are you asking a question, looking for help, making a statement... wondering if I'm missing something here.
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[14:32] <Simonious> gordonDrogon: perhaps you are *shrugs
[14:32] <Simonious> *
[14:33] <Simonious> I'd like help resolving the problems detailed in the paste
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[14:33] <Simonious> they are spelled out in the bottom 2 lines
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> oh ok.
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[14:34] <gordonDrogon> I didn't scroll down that far. I suspect that out of the ~13 million Pi users, maybe you and one other might be using nilfs though. maybe get more help in the nilfs email lists?
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> or just run it via cron ...
[14:35] <Simonious> that's probably good advice
[14:35] <Simonious> I'll explore the cron option first since I've been hunting around elsewhere
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[14:36] <gordonDrogon> there is an @reboot target in cron to make things run at power-on/reboot times.
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[14:40] <Simonious> gordonDrogon: Nilfs is supposed to be nice for flash media because it writes new data after existing data and uses the whole memory while the cleaner comes alone behind and erases/reclaims sections that are no longer used because there were altered/rewritten/removed. Is there another filesystem that can be recommeneded for level usage on flash media?
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> yea, I looked into it a while back for another (non Pi) project I was doing. in the end I abandoned it and just used ext4 like everyone else.
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[14:44] <gordonDrogon> I think that modern SD's are good enough - certianly cheap enough now, so somethin like ext3/4 is may not the best solution, it's working well enough to keep the majority of Pi users happy.
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[14:46] <Simonious> gordonDrogon: that is an interesting point, I believe some of the modern cards have a leveling logic layer built into the cards.
[14:46] <shiftplusone> I don't know of filesystem that aims to be flash-friendly, is in the upstream kernel and has the track record and reliability of ext.
[14:47] <max12345> ok so I have this 2.8" tft display from adafruit setup
[14:48] <max12345> but I can't find instructions on how to go to graphic mode
[14:48] <shiftplusone> I thought all modern cards do wear leveling, but it's hard to know if that's true. I think the argument that convinced me was that given the number of write cycles cards are rated for, if they didn't do wear-leveling, they'd wear out much quicker than they do.
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[14:54] <jancoow> Hi.
[14:54] <jancoow> When I upgraded to the newest kernel, my ds18b20 sensors aren't working anymore
[14:54] <shiftplusone> 'newest kernel'?
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[14:55] <shiftplusone> from what version to what version?
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[14:56] <jancoow> I've added dtoverlay=w1-gpio, pullup=1, w1-therm in the config.txt . This worked before, but not anymore. the /sys/bus/w1 doesn't shop up anymore. When I add w1-gpio and w1-therm to /etc/modules the /sys/bus/w1 does exist again, but it doesn't show my connected devices
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[14:57] <shiftplusone> start by removing the spaces and see if that makes a difference
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[14:58] <jancoow> shiftplusone: spaces in the config.txt ?
[14:58] <shiftplusone> in your dtoverlay line in config.txt
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[15:00] <jancoow> okay
[15:00] <shiftplusone> What is w1-therm meant to do? I don't see that in the documentation
[15:00] <jancoow> w1-therm is the kernel module for the dallas ds18b20 / ds18s20 temperature sensors
[15:01] <shiftplusone> yes, but why is it in config.txt on the dtoverlay line?
[15:01] <jancoow> because that module needs to be enabled
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[15:01] <gordonDrogon> I just used rpi-config to enable 1-wire. the rest seems to come automatically.
[15:02] <shiftplusone> config.txt doesn't enable modules. Some overlays can tell the kernel about the presence of certain hardware which in turn enabled the overlay, but that doesn't appear to be the case here.
[15:02] <shiftplusone> *enables the module
[15:02] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: that isn't possible on network boot ehm :)
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> why not?
[15:02] <jancoow> how would a rpi-config tool access the boot folder
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> why aren't you mounting /boot then?
[15:03] <jancoow> because that's a pxe-boot
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> ok - but if it's mounted in /boot, then its just the same, sin't it?
[15:04] <jancoow> you can't mount a tftp
[15:04] <jancoow> or at least; not modify files on a tftp server
[15:04] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon: the bootloader will fetch /boot files over pxe, but to mount /boot he'd need to use sshfs or smb mounts
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> then export it via nfs and mount it via nfs?
[15:04] <shiftplusone> or nfs
[15:04] <jancoow> or just add it manually, it shouldn't be that hard :)
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> I guess it shouldn't, but if there is a tool that will do it then ...
[15:05] <jancoow> but as far as I know; it should work when I only add it to config.txt, I doesn't have to edit /etc/modules right
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> my weather Pi is offline right now so I can't check what it has exactly in config.txt.
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> let me find it and power it up and check..
[15:06] <jancoow> I will grab a spare PI and flash also the newest raspbian
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[15:07] <shiftplusone> You do have to edit /etc/modules
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> ok, in config.txt there is:
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> dtoverlay=w1-gpio
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> and nothing else w1 related.
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> nothing in /etc/modules
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> however w1_therm is loaded.
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> nothing in /etc/modprobe.d/* either.
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> gordon@weather:~$ gpio -x ds18b20:100:0000053af458 aread 100
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> 179
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> seems fine
[15:08] <shiftplusone> ah, interesting. I checked with Phil and he thought that w1-them would need to be loaded manually.
[15:09] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon: but did wiringpi run modprobe itself perhaps?
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> nope.
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[15:10] <shiftplusone> Ah, Phil isn't sure. That was a guess.
[15:10] <shiftplusone> Well, I guess that's all that required if you are okay with the default being pin 4.
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> I'd have thought the base 1w driver would do a bus probe and auto-load the modules needed...
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[15:10] <shiftplusone> I didn't know the 1w driver can identify devices.
[15:11] <jancoow> I also know that I had to use pullup=1 otherwise my DS18S20 wouldn't show up
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> yea - every device has a 1-byte code.
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> and that code is unique to each device, so you know what driver to load.
[15:11] <shiftplusone> What stops two manufacturers of different devices from using the same code?
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> dallas/maxim allocate the codes.
[15:11] <shiftplusone> ah
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> however in a private environment, nothing.
[15:11] <shiftplusone> I thought it was a free for all like I2C.
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> there are only 30-40 different 1w devices in the world. it's not that popular.
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> (I've done a lot of 1w stuff on arduinos - it's 'orrible)
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> gordon@weather:~$ ls /sys/bus/w1/devices/
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> 28-0000053af458 w1_bus_master1
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> the 28 there is the device code - ds18b20.
[15:12] <shiftplusone> jancoow: look at this https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/boot/overlays/README
[15:13] <shiftplusone> jancoow: skip to the 1w part
[15:13] <shiftplusone> *w1
[15:13] <shiftplusone> dtoverlay=w1-gpio,<param>=<val>
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> the 18s20 is 0x10.
[15:13] <shiftplusone> dtoverlay=w1-gpio,pullup=on
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[15:15] <gordonDrogon> the default with raspi-config doesn't enable the pull-up, however you really do need an external 4k7 pullup to 3.3v. relying on the internal is not that good as it's ~50K
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[15:15] <shiftplusone> jancoow wanted the pull-up
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[15:15] <gordonDrogon> use a resistor. especially if using parasite power.
[15:16] <shiftplusone> yeah, but one step at a time?
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> :)
[15:16] <jancoow> I did use a resistor
[15:16] <shiftplusone> ... >=/
[15:16] <jancoow> And not using parasite power
[15:16] <jancoow> but for some reason..
[15:17] <jancoow> The ds18S20 didn't show up, however the DS18B20 did
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> oddly enough I have some 1w temps on my desktop right now - connected to arduino though. making a washer system for some friends and they need to keep the tank of cleaner at 65�C ..
[15:17] <shiftplusone> washer system?
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> yea, to wash brewery kegs.
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> (beer)
[15:18] <shiftplusone> ah
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> so we have a system with hot detergent, water, sanitiser, pumps, valves, plumbing - and an atmega (arduino) controlling it all.
[15:20] <jancoow> well the sensors normally work fine
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> are you using parasite power or active power?
[15:21] <jancoow> active
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> ok, if you power them via a spare GPIO pin, then you can do a full bus power cycle...
[15:21] <jancoow> Why should I want that?
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> just in-case.
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> the kernel driver quickly re-detects them IME.
[15:22] <jancoow> i'm powering from the normal 3.3
[15:22] <jancoow> yeah
[15:22] <shiftplusone> sounds interesting. My parents have a hot tub that was struck by lightning and that fried the controller board. The replacement costs an insane amount of money, so I've been considering replacing it with an arduino or something. But I don't really know how it's all meant to work. Would need help from an electrician or someone who hooks up the things, I think.
[15:22] <jancoow> but they will lose precision right
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[15:22] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, look at the sous vide Pi projects :)
[15:23] <gordonDrogon> they're only good to 0.5�C, so hardly high precision devices.
[15:23] <jancoow> shiftplusone: haha, i recently fixed a hottub with also a not working circuic board ;p
[15:23] <shiftplusone> jancoow: what bribes do you accept?
[15:24] <jancoow> haha
[15:25] <jancoow> well, I fixed the circuit board itself. Some transistors and caps where broken (for a unknown reason )
[15:25] <gordonDrogon> I never found the ds20b18's to be that good anyway - right now I have 2 touching each other and they're 2�C different.
[15:25] <shiftplusone> Ah, I had a look at the board and found that the 5v rail is shorted to 3v rail (iirc)
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[15:26] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: What do you suggest for better / acurater readings?
[15:26] <shiftplusone> I switched out the 5V regulator. That didn't fix the problem and I didn't have time to look at it more. Should be easy to probe and find the short, I guess.
[15:26] <jancoow> I never had trouble wit them
[15:27] <jancoow> shiftplusone: well, thunder damage is nasty.
[15:27] <shiftplusone> just worried that the atmel driving it is fried.
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> sure - they're no trouble, just not accurate :)
[15:28] <jancoow> ugh; still no w1 sys folder :/
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[15:28] <gordonDrogon> you can also make the read a lot faster if you poke the right thing into the config. register, but I don't know if you can do that with the Linux owfs driver.
[15:28] <shiftplusone> jancoow: post your config.txt and output of vcgencmd log msg
[15:29] <jancoow> the config: https://jancokock.me/f/08d96/
[15:30] <jancoow> and vcgencmd : error=1 error_msg="Command not registered"
[15:30] <jancoow> :/
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[15:31] <shiftplusone> works here
[15:31] <jancoow> ugh.
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[15:31] <shiftplusone> config.txt looks sensible
[15:32] <shiftplusone> is the module loaded?
[15:32] <shiftplusone> not w1-therm, the other one
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[15:33] <shiftplusone> I suspect the overlay didn't load, but you'd confirm that with "sudo vcdbg log msg"... which doesn't seem to work for you...
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[15:34] <jancoow> 002300.475: Failed to load overlay 'w1-gpio'
[15:35] <shiftplusone> aha
[15:35] <jancoow> it's something
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[15:35] <shiftplusone> does your pxe boot directory contain overlays/w1-gpio.dtbo ?
[15:35] <jancoow> I just wanna check that yeah
[15:35] <Shadonovitch> Hey, to the guy who told me about Icecast yesterday, thanks a lot i've managed to make my system work (although the sound quality is horrible, as expected)
[15:36] <shiftplusone> Why is the quality horrible?
[15:36] <jancoow> kill me
[15:36] <jancoow> .
[15:36] <Shadonovitch> Well, there are many flaws to what I managed
[15:37] <Shadonovitch> I do "Phone A2DP -> RPi BT to analogic output + IceS recording on analogic output streaming to network
[15:37] <shiftplusone> oh
[15:38] <Shadonovitch> then from another pi on the same network I listen to the stream ;; I think the recording on the analogic output makes it horrible since I have no sound card ; i'm looking for some mountpoint of Icecast directly to bluetooth but i'm not sure it exists (yet)
[15:39] <shiftplusone> There has to be something. Pulseaudio is fairly flexible with virtual devices, patching things together and so on.
[15:39] <Shadonovitch> But eh, at least it's something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[15:39] <shiftplusone> It's just that only one person knows how to configure pulseaudio.
[15:40] <Shadonovitch> Also, perhaps having a sound card better than the original one might greatly make a better recording
[15:42] <Shadonovitch> I don't know if I should record on the output though... anyway i have to show a POC of this this friday, if everything else fails i'll just play some MIDI file from my phone, it could play the trick
[15:42] <shiftplusone> jancoow: any luck?
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[15:47] <Sonny_Jim> Shadonovitch: Glad you got something working
[15:47] <Sonny_Jim> How was the configuration? Was it as much of a nightmare as I thought it might be?
[15:48] <jancoow> shiftplusone: yeah. Hea. The overlay dir...
[15:48] <jancoow> Wasn't there on the tftpboot
[15:48] <jancoow> :D
[15:48] <jancoow> stupid me
[15:48] <shiftplusone> happens
[15:48] <jancoow> now test it on my other pi, hopefully the sensors get detected
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[15:50] <GyroW> Trying out using the pi as a pxe boot server but when I do sudo /etc/init.d/pxe restart it hangs at restarting pxe:
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[15:52] <jancoow> shiftplusone: works. Thanks for the help man!
[15:52] <shiftplusone> excellent
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[15:56] <Shadonovitch> Sonny_Jim: Not that much, i was surprised how fast i got it working
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[15:57] <Shadonovitch> I got access to the webserver easily, now i have to tweak quality and audio source ; the best thing i could find is a bluetooth mountpoint for Icecast, but google finds nothing :/
[15:58] <fred1807> why raspbian has the / (root partition) on /etc/fstab and arch pi does not have an entry for / (root partition) on fstab ?
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[15:59] <Shadonovitch> The trick I got now is recording the audio output, in a perfect world Icecast would read from the bluetooth device directly ;; recording on the raspi audio card is really awful
[16:00] <Chillum> indeed I would avoid using any analog means to record on the rpi
[16:00] <jancoow> Shadonovitch: are you using pulse?
[16:00] <Chillum> transmitting it digitally is certainly the way to go, unless you add your own usb sound card
[16:01] <jancoow> because you could record the bluetooth sink directly
[16:01] <Shadonovitch> jancoow: yeah, bluez redirects the A2DP sound to the pulse sink
[16:01] <jancoow> yeah exactly
[16:01] <Shadonovitch> that's what i'm looking for, but google shows up nothing ; there's probably a file that has the bluetooth output somewhere
[16:02] <jancoow> I can have a look for you
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[16:02] <Shadonovitch> Chillum: adding a better audio card is also an option, but there's lag with the network ; it plays on the first Pi and there's ~10 secs between the first Pi and a network one
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[16:03] <Chillum> well that will be a problem with any ethernet setup, perhaps not such a large latency but some
[16:03] <jancoow> icecast does have a lot of latency
[16:03] <Chillum> are you trying to play one two rpis at the same time?
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[16:04] <Chillum> like synced?
[16:04] <Shadonovitch> Chillum: yeah, that's the end of the project
[16:04] <jancoow> I've been looking for that solution for a long time hehe
[16:04] <jancoow> I wrote my own software for that in the end
[16:04] <Shadonovitch> Although some lag between the bluetooth A2DP and the final audio output is not a problem
[16:04] <Chillum> you may need some sort of low latency signal to sync them, network alone is not enough. It is tricky but you can use something like a 433Mhz radio module to send out a sync signal to get them all on the same beat
[16:05] <Chillum> each node pre-caches and then started on the signal
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[16:05] <jancoow> Chillum: then I should use bluetooth and link them togheter; like the JBL speakers are doing
[16:05] <Shadonovitch> jancoow: Yeah, that's something we're thinking too, we could write some C++ that make it all
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[16:06] <Chillum> jancoow: yes I suppose this has all been solved by the bt protocols
[16:06] <Chillum> when I did this there was no BT
[16:06] <Shadonovitch> There should not be lag if every Pi plays the audio from the Icecast server ?
[16:06] <Chillum> it was late 90s in our house and my room mate and I used the extra wires on the phone line to send the sync signal and got our music synced that way
[16:06] <Chillum> Shadonovitch: each one will have its own latency to the server, it won't be perfect
[16:07] <Chillum> ethernet is like that
[16:07] <Shadonovitch> Here we are speaking wifi
[16:07] <Shadonovitch> :')
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[16:07] <eckhard> hello !
[16:08] <Shadonovitch> At least we have some sound already, so the proof of concept is here
[16:08] <Chillum> Shadonovitch: I used the wrong term, the TCP/IP system will have variable latency regardless of the medium you use to connect
[16:08] <Shadonovitch> oh ok
[16:08] <Chillum> wifi is not a real time system due to its auto resilience and addressablility
[16:09] <Chillum> something like a 433Mhz radio module will send out a signal that will be heard at the same moment by all rxes(not accounting for the speed of light)
[16:09] <Chillum> it can trigger an interrupt on each node
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[16:09] <eckhard> guys i spent some time to get fluidsynth running for the raspi to be a headless “midi sound generator”, now i have 2 issues i would love to hear about:
[16:10] <jancoow> Chillum: I think syncing with ethernet should be enough
[16:10] <Chillum> I have found otherwise.
[16:10] <eckhard> 1. switching to the audio jack gives me unacceptable latency, is this because of the digital/analog conversion? is a proper solution to just grab an hdmi audio extractor?
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[16:10] <Chillum> you can hear even a slight difference in sync between two sets of speakers, it is really annoying
[16:10] <jancoow> That's true
[16:11] <Chillum> even using a sync signal we had to tune the offsets of each computer
[16:11] <jancoow> But i'm not sure what the use case is here. I mean, in my situation I want to have multi room speakers system; So I don't care about 500ms offset in different rooms
[16:11] <jancoow> If you are in the same room yeah then you defintily need to sync better
[16:11] <Chillum> oh, well if you can't hear them both at once then a perfect sync is not needed
[16:11] <jancoow> yeah indeed
[16:11] <Chillum> we wanted it cranked so we could hear it anywhere in the house
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[16:12] <Shadonovitch> Chillum: when you did, did you hook your Pi's on your own house network ?
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[16:13] <Shadonovitch> Our solution has a closed network hosted by and only for our Pi's to connect to
[16:13] <GreeningGalaxy> I read a thing about adding an external antenna to the 0W, but it mentioned that it didn't actually improve the range much. anybody know what the wifi range of the unmodified 0W is like?
[16:13] <CoJaBo> Has anyone had image corruption issues with HDMI lately? I updated several months back, and was met with odd disruption (small dots of static and single-line tearing) that wasquite severe (many lines per frame affected); over the last few months this has improved to only one bad line per few seconds, but it's still quite annoying, and very badcompared to my pre-update SD card.. anyone got any ideas? :/
[16:13] <Chillum> this was the late 90s, it was clunky desktop boxes over ethernet, using an extra phone line for the sync signal
[16:13] <Shadonovitch> Chillum: good ol' times
[16:13] <Chillum> we were 4 computer nerds renting a house
[16:13] <Chillum> running 100Mbit CAT5 everywhere
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[16:14] <Chillum> which at the time was pretty good
[16:14] <GreeningGalaxy> CoJaBo: I have a couple bars of wavery picture on my monitor that slowly wipe upwards over time, but I've been blaming the HDMI to VGA adapter.
[16:14] <Chillum> "Lets create a fast internal network and build a bunch of tools to use it!"
[16:14] <jancoow> well cat5 is still good enough for rpi haha
[16:14] <Chillum> we shared two internet connections and had a router desktop that put gaming on one and browsing on the other
[16:14] <CoJaBo> GreeningGalaxy: yeh, that sounds like analog interference..
[16:15] <Chillum> after all we could not have our Ultima Online crap out because someone tried to download at quicktime movie
[16:15] <CoJaBo> This is some issue with the pi generating a worse signal in newer versions
[16:16] <Chillum> wow, ultima online is almost 20 years old now
[16:16] <Chillum> and they STILL have not made a MMORPG that is as good
[16:16] <Chillum> I enjoyed the lack of directed goals
[16:18] <jancoow> there are already ready to go solutions btw
[16:18] <jancoow> logitch media server or something
[16:18] <jancoow> with squezebox
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[16:25] <Shadonovitch> jancoow: this is a end of school project. I don't know yet if we'll have to recode the audio server
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[16:33] <GreeningGalaxy> hey, what's that tiny metal thing right next to the CPU on a ZeroW that looks like a crystal oscillator?
[16:34] <GreeningGalaxy> is that for the wifi radio?
[16:34] <GreeningGalaxy> and/or bluetooth
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[16:36] <Chillum> not sure but it is pretty
[16:37] <GreeningGalaxy> oh, the pretty thing is the wifi chip
[16:37] <GreeningGalaxy> it's a bare silicon crystal, no package like most other chips
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[16:39] <GreeningGalaxy> someone was just telling me about this in another channel. It saves cost and space (both at a premium in this chip's major application, smartphones) and monocrystalline silicon is really pretty tough on its own
[16:41] <GreeningGalaxy> anyway the thing I'm looking at is that tiny four-terminal metal box between the CPU, HDMI plug, and card slot, right in line with one of the rows of coupling capacitors
[16:41] <GreeningGalaxy> at least I think those are coupling capacitors
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[16:42] <GreeningGalaxy> they're yellow, probably are
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[16:49] <Shadonovitch> jancoow: have you found anything between Icecast, Darkice and bluetooth ? Our tests make almost synced for the client Pi on the network, but the first receiver is playing way earlier
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[16:58] <redrabbit> GreeningGalaxy: its like a tiny mirror with stuff written on it
[16:58] <redrabbit> like really small
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[16:58] <redrabbit> its the wireless chip
[16:58] <GreeningGalaxy> the wireless chip is the WLCSP in the middle of the board, about halfway between the BCM and the SMPS
[16:59] <redrabbit> ok got you
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> GreeningGalaxy, the thing you're looking at is the xtal oscillator.
[16:59] <redrabbit> you mean between the cpu and sd card reader
[16:59] <GreeningGalaxy> redrabbit: that's another WLCSP, not sure what it's for.
[16:59] <GreeningGalaxy> no wiat, yes, that
[16:59] <GreeningGalaxy> gordonDrogon: what's it for?
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> making things go up and down.
[17:00] <GreeningGalaxy> I mean specifically. There's not suddenly real-time support on this thing, is there?
[17:00] <redrabbit> AEL19.2 5016 ??
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> it's the main clock to the whole system - all clocks will be derived off that via dividers, pll's, etc.
[17:00] <redrabbit> that thing ?
[17:00] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah that
[17:01] <shauno> it's easy to identify the wifi chip. the little antenna cutout on the board - just follow the nice curved line up from it
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> oscillator. to generate clocked signals. not a time of day clock.
[17:01] <redrabbit> i have bad eyes but they are great for close up lol
[17:01] <GreeningGalaxy> well no, I just didn't know the system clock had a crystal timebase
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> it's fairly standard to use a little crystal.
[17:02] <GreeningGalaxy> whoa, there are two (at least) on the original Pi. I never knew what to look for until a few days ago...
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> doesn't mean it's accurate, just very very common.
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> as Pi technology progressed, the designed realised that they could use some (more?) of the internal clock generators to do more stuff - e.g. to send a clock signal to the usb hub/ethernet chip and so on - reduces the overall chip and placement count.
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[17:03] <GreeningGalaxy> interesting
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[17:03] <gordonDrogon> and ultimately makes them cheaper to make, but more importantly less chips is generally more reliable.
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[17:04] <GreeningGalaxy> it's really striking to put the original model B and the latest Zero side by side
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[17:05] <redrabbit> AEL 19.2 5016 > 19.2mhz
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> the v1 and the v3 is more striking - same board space, but so much more on for the same cost.
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[17:06] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> redrabbit, yes, 19.2Hmz is the main clock frequency as far as I understand.
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> its one of the inputs you can choose for various clock dividers - e.g. to feed the PWM.
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[17:08] <shauno> hm, schematic for the Brev2 (not 2B) shows 19.2 on the cpu, and a second 25 on the ethernet
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[17:11] <gordonDrogon> the 25 can be synthesized inside the SoC.
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[17:14] <shauno> they don't actually show ethernet at all on the 2b & 3b schematics :/
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[17:23] <gordonDrogon> there are no publicly available schematics for them.
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> just bits of the PSU and gpio/audio stuff.
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[17:26] <shauno> yeah, I was looking at the 'reduced' onces @ https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/tree/master/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics
[17:27] <shauno> the old ones are much better, pages worth
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[17:33] <gordonDrogon> less relevant to a modern Pi though.
[17:33] <GreeningGalaxy> All I really want is a boardmap of every Pi showing the part number of each component and where it goes on the board
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> you may have to make that yourself ...
[17:34] <GreeningGalaxy> I don't think I can, as many of the tiniest components don't have identifiers printed on them.
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[17:35] <gordonDrogon> they will - you just need a 1000x magnifier to see them ;-)
[17:35] <hmoney> are there better schematics for the cm3?
[17:35] <GreeningGalaxy> the SMD caps and resistors don't have values printed on them either
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[17:37] <GreeningGalaxy> I don't really need a proper map, it'd just be nice to have somewhere to go to get an answer to "what the heck is Q23"
[17:37] <shauno> they should have the standard 3-digit on them
[17:37] <GreeningGalaxy> if they do, it's on the bottom.
[17:38] <GreeningGalaxy> or truly microscopic.
[17:38] <GreeningGalaxy> My eyes are pretty decent but the surfaces of the caps and resistors just look featureless, no obvious markings.
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[17:41] <gordonDrogon> maybe you'll just have to accept that you'll never truly know.
[17:42] <shiftplusone> Hm? What do you need to know?
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> he wants a "map" of all the components on every Pi version ...
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[17:42] <shiftplusone> Ah
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[17:44] <shauno> most of them aren't worth knowing. almost every capacitor on there is just decoupling
[17:45] <pwillard> 99% of the time... SMD caps have no markings at all
[17:45] <Chillum> I wish they did
[17:46] <pwillard> The main reason I made my own LC meter with tweezer leads
[17:46] <Chillum> ya but most of the time I want to know the value of a cap it is because I need to replace it and the original does not work any more
[17:47] <Chillum> so you need a good version of the device, you need to remove it to get an accurate measurement, then you know what to replace it with
[17:47] <pwillard> Yeah... but if it needs replacing... the value you read should be next to useless
[17:47] <Chillum> yes
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[17:47] <Chillum> this is why I said you need a good version of the device to test
[17:47] <Chillum> or some reference information about it
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[17:48] <Chillum> though generally capacitors are forgiving in values if you are within an order of magnitude
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[17:50] <leftyfb> mfa298: remember me complaining about zipcar having 314 pi's on-hand to give out for their contest?
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[18:01] <Simonious> I think I'm just going to go with EXT2...
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> now there's a file system I haven't heard in-use for a very long time ...
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> it's good and stable, but you'll wait forever if you have a crash and need to fsck ...
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[18:19] * redrabbit found a hdmi to micro hdmi cable in his pile
[18:19] <redrabbit> woot
[18:19] <redrabbit> i thought it was mini hdmi, but nope, fits in the rpi0
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[18:19] <redrabbit> better than the adaptor cascade id usually use
[18:20] <redrabbit> this is gonna be handy
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[18:21] <mfa298> leftyfb: I tihnk I remember
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[18:22] <leftyfb> mfa298: I won :)
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[18:23] <gordonDrogon> you won 314 Pi's?
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[18:34] <leftyfb> heh
[18:34] <leftyfb> no, just 1 of them
[18:35] <leftyfb> though that would be cool
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[18:40] <ali1234> https://zerostem.io/installation/
[18:46] <BurtyB> ali1234, can we buy them yet? :)
[18:46] <ali1234> VERY soon
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[18:46] <ali1234> i think everything is ready now
[18:47] <BurtyB> :)
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[18:55] <oq> ali1234: how durable is it?
[18:56] <oq> like if you pulled it out of a usb port at an angle what would give first, the solder on the usb port or the nylon screws?
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[19:04] <gordonDrogon> I've seen much more flimsy usb storage dongles.
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> dip the whole thing in resin and off you go ...
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[19:07] <gordonDrogon> ali1234, which country are you shipping from?
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[19:24] <Simonious> oo, also considering exFAT
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[19:25] <gordonDrogon> is this some specialise embedded environment you're creating?
[19:26] <Simonious> I suppose, yes.
[19:28] <Simonious> hmm F2FS is also interesting
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> what about a pure ram disk - so the SD is simply read only ...
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[19:44] <Simonious> anyone ever used f2fs?
[19:44] <Simonious> gordonDrogon: I don't love the sound of going with a RAM disk
[19:45] <Simonious> I'm filling up many gigs over months, a RAMdisk seems like the wrong solution.
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> indeed, but you're not very forthcoming on your application.
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[19:47] <Simonious> gordonDrogon: sorry, I'm not trying to be evasive, what details are you looking for
[19:47] <Simonious> a raspi connected to a serial network (RS485) of devices sharing whatever they happen to be logging
[19:47] <Simonious> the raspi logs the info coming in
[19:48] <Simonious> the devices are logging things like temperature in most cases
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> anything really - so far I gather it's an embdded sort of thing, but storing gigs/month ...ok, big data logger.
[19:48] <Simonious> gigs over months, probably not a gig in a month
[19:48] <Simonious> also think 100+ data sources
[19:48] <Simonious> say a data point every few minutes
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> stick a big USB drive on it, buffer data in RAM, do a blip to disk once an hour ...
[19:49] <Simonious> gordonDrogon: I do like the sound of that. :)
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggest there are more things to wory about than the actual fileystem. Just do an fsync() after each buffered write.
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[19:50] <Simonious> what is fsync()? is that different than sync?
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> fsync flushed out all bufferd data for the file and returns when it's all on disk.
[19:51] <Simonious> is that something not on pi by default?
[19:51] <GreeningGalaxy> fantastic, my Zero W is DoA
[19:51] <Simonious> (raspbian)
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> it's a standard system call on all Linuxes.
[19:51] <Simonious> gordonDrogon: how does one call it from the command line?
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[19:51] <gordonDrogon> er, you don't. it's designed for programs.
[19:51] <oq> GreeningGalaxy: you sure? the first firmware for the pi0's had a led that wouldn't light up
[19:52] <oq> *pi0w's
[19:52] <Simonious> My pi0 works okay, no w though
[19:53] <GreeningGalaxy> oq: a card that works in a 1.3 does absolutely nothing in my W. No LED, no serial, no nothing.
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> but sync from the command-line will do what you need though (or should)
[19:53] <GreeningGalaxy> Currently can't test HDMI because I don't have the adapters, maybe I should keep looking for the one I think is around here somewhere
[19:53] <Simonious> ok
[19:53] <Simonious> GreeningGalaxy: I've had good luck on pi0 with raspbian lite
[19:53] <oq> GreeningGalaxy: I would test hdmi first before rmaing it because I thought my pi0w was broke too but it was just crap firmware
[19:54] <GreeningGalaxy> this is Raspbian Light
[19:54] <GreeningGalaxy> lite*
[19:55] <GreeningGalaxy> Tried a fresh image, tried a configured image known to work with serial console in another zero
[19:55] <GreeningGalaxy> oq: not sure I can RMA it anyway since I've already soldered a header to it.
[19:55] <oq> mine was raspbian lite too
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[19:57] <GreeningGalaxy> interesting, the default image of raspbian doesn't work with serial on a pi 3, but the one that works on the other zero does
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[19:58] <oq> have they bothered updating the image on the website since it launched?
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[20:00] <GreeningGalaxy> looks like it draws 100 mA when I plug in 5V
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[20:00] <GreeningGalaxy> so something's happening
[20:00] <GreeningGalaxy> oh, and it only draws 17, then 48 if there's no card in, so that suggests the card is being recognized
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[20:00] <GreeningGalaxy> okay, I need that adapter.
[20:01] <BurtyB> GreeningGalaxy, serial is off by default and if you haven't got the latest (2017-03-02) image the led won't work as expected either
[20:02] <ali1234> oq: the PCB would probably break first
[20:03] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: UK
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[20:04] <oq> what I don't get about this product of yours ali1234, the kind of person who would be drawn to a hat like that is the type who would want to just plop it on and it would work, otherwise why not just solder on your own usb header like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbWYUFgLhSU, it really needs pogo pins
[20:05] <axion> Yay, my pi3 is out for delivery
[20:05] <ali1234> the NODE is far bigger and requires a case
[20:05] <axion> I havent had a pi in about 4 years
[20:05] <oq> the node is an example of a diy solution
[20:05] <ali1234> yes
[20:06] <oq> there are others
[20:06] <ali1234> if you want a DIY solution then go ahead
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[20:06] * BurtyB likes the idea of something not held together by hot glue/etc.
[20:07] <ali1234> yes, same
[20:07] <ali1234> i made it for my own use, so it is a DIY
[20:08] <ali1234> if people buy them i'll keep making them, if not then it's no big deal to me
[20:08] <GreeningGalaxy> Okay, found the adapter. HDMI is giving me rainbows and nothing else
[20:09] <GreeningGalaxy> I have confirmed that the same card works on a 0 1.3
[20:09] <BurtyB> GreeningGalaxy, how new is your image?
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[20:10] <GreeningGalaxy> not very, but since it works on every other Pi I own I don't see why that should be a problem
[20:10] <oq> ...
[20:10] <oq> new pi requires new firmware dude
[20:11] <BurtyB> GreeningGalaxy, have you done a "sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" recently?
[20:11] <GreeningGalaxy> yes, very
[20:11] <GreeningGalaxy> like an hour ago
[20:11] <BurtyB> great, these are all things we don't know unless you tell us tho ;)
[20:11] <ali1234> have you ever used rpi-update?
[20:12] <GreeningGalaxy> yes
[20:12] <ali1234> that can potentially interfere with firmware stuff
[20:13] <GreeningGalaxy> fine, I'll download the latest image
[20:13] <ali1234> also if your install is very old it might not be on jessie, so won't get the updates
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[20:14] <GreeningGalaxy> it's on Jessie, I know that
[20:14] <ali1234> oq: here's another reason not to just go DIY... my PCB has properly impedance matched traces so it works for USB 2 speeds. can't guarantee that if you just use wires...
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[20:23] <NineChickens> I know it's not Pi, but I need some help with my arduino
[20:23] <Simonious> is overlayroot available on raspbian?
[20:24] <ali1234> what is overlayroot?
[20:24] <Simonious> perhaps a better question is: How do I determine if overlayroot is available on raspian?
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[20:24] <Simonious> https://spin.atomicobject.com/2015/03/10/protecting-ubuntu-root-filesystem/
[20:24] <GreeningGalaxy> NineChickens: ##electronics is probably more what you're after?
[20:24] <Simonious> ali1234: it is TWO root filesystems, one is readonly, the other is merged with the first and is writable
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[20:24] <ali1234> Simonious: okay, i understand
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[20:24] <Simonious> if a file exists only in one, you get that file, if a file exists in both you get the writeable version
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[20:25] <NineChickens> ahhh, ok
[20:25] <NineChickens> never heard of it
[20:25] <ali1234> that's how openwrt used to work, it was a nice system
[20:25] <Simonious> NineChickens: no one in an #arduino room?
[20:25] <NineChickens> there's a #arduino?
[20:25] <ali1234> it doesn't seem to be packaged in raspbian
[20:25] <Simonious> of course
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[20:26] * Simonious ponders
[20:26] <Simonious> I'm sure it's in ubuntu
[20:26] <ali1234> yes, it is
[20:26] * Simonious goes to check
[20:26] <ali1234> you could set it up manually
[20:26] <ali1234> or you could do a full ramdisk... that's what i do
[20:27] <Simonious> ali1234: what does that look like?
[20:27] <ali1234> well you have a kernel.img and an initrd and you boot them...
[20:27] <ali1234> everything on /boot
[20:27] <ali1234> initrd is loaded to ram and used as rootfs
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[20:27] <ali1234> any changes are wiped when you reboot
[20:27] <ali1234> i bake the initrd with multistrap and qemu
[20:28] <Simonious> ali1234: why do you do this?
[20:28] <ali1234> for embedded devices where it can get turned off without warning
[20:28] <ali1234> to prevent filesystem corruption
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[20:28] * Simonious nods
[20:28] <ali1234> this is an very early version of my stuff: https://github.com/ali1234/multistrap-experiments
[20:28] <Simonious> is that a setup guide?
[20:28] <ali1234> no, it's just a script that you run and it builds an image
[20:29] <ali1234> it is still work in progress, i will make a full guide when it is done
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[20:29] <ali1234> you should run it on ubuntu, after installing multistrap, fakeroot, fakechroot, and qemu-user-static
[20:30] <Simonious> I'm interested
[20:30] <Simonious> leaning towards sticking with overlayroot for now
[20:31] <ali1234> it produces an initrd. you copy that onto /boot and put "initramfs initrd" in config.txt
[20:31] <Simonious> also I went with F2FS for the moment, I'm a little sad though, because it doesn't have the bit rot protection that nilfs2 does.
[20:31] <Simonious> but nilfs2 just wasn't behaving well - space wasn't being recovered
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[20:32] <ali1234> overlay filesystems never really worked that well
[20:32] <ali1234> openwrt switched to jffs2
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[20:33] <ali1234> due to its journal nature you can rewind changes, don't know how easy it is though
[20:34] <Simonious> hmm, also iteresting
[20:34] <ali1234> the other reason i use ramdisk is because it is trivial to network boot it
[20:34] <ali1234> that makes development much faster
[20:34] <ali1234> same initrd can be network booted or put on SD card
[20:34] <dbucklin> Hi. I'm looking for help standing up RaspBSD on a Pi 3. It doesn't seem to be booting up.
[20:34] <Simonious> ali1234: get me a write up and I'll give it a look and probably a try.
[20:35] <ali1234> i still need to finish the actual product :)
[20:35] <NineChickens> Back from #arduino
[20:36] <NineChickens> I think I'll use a Zero W instead
[20:36] <ali1234> what are you trying to do?
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[20:36] <kerio> ali1234: just use zfs :^)
[20:36] <NineChickens> Wireless door lock
[20:36] <NineChickens> Of course, I need wifi
[20:36] <oq> does zfs require immense amounts of ram...
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[20:36] <oq> *doesn't
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> you need wireless - not neccessarily Wi-Fi ...
[20:36] <kerio> oq: technically no
[20:37] <kerio> it definitely /appreciates/ humongous amounts of ram
[20:37] <ali1234> Simonious: yes, maybe something like zfs or btrfs would be suitable for you
[20:37] <ali1234> it's not suitable for me though, due the reasons i gave above ^
[20:37] * Simonious nods
[20:37] <kerio> the hard requirement is 64mb of ram
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[20:38] <ali1234> NineChickens: i would actually use an AVR for that, so arduino is suitable
[20:38] <kerio> and yeah i would really like a read-only raspbian rootfs
[20:38] <ali1234> like gordon said, you don't need wifi, just some kind of simple radio. they can be very simple
[20:38] <kerio> i mean, there's a journal and the default is data=ordered
[20:39] <kerio> which should pretty much guarantee no data loss
[20:39] <ali1234> it wont stop the card filling with logs and/or wearing out
[20:39] <ali1234> and other problems you get with embedded systems
[20:39] <NineChickens> How would you set that up then?
[20:40] <ali1234> NineChickens: security would be my biggest concern with something like that
[20:40] <NineChickens> also with radio I wouldn't need to worry about tracking IP addresses and all that
[20:40] <ali1234> yes
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[20:41] <ali1234> oh, i know
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[20:41] <ali1234> i would actually use ESP8266
[20:41] <ali1234> that actually does wifi
[20:41] <ali1234> or alternatively the new ESP32, which does wifi and bluetooth
[20:41] <ali1234> with bluetooth, i could make it automatically unlock when my phone is in proximity
[20:41] <ali1234> and no worry about security, pairing handles it
[20:42] <NineChickens> The Pi natively supports Bluetooth, right?
[20:42] <NineChickens> at least the 3B
[20:42] <ali1234> yes
[20:43] <ali1234> and the zero w too
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[20:43] <ali1234> so that would be a good choice
[20:44] <NineChickens> At this point I'm going for whatever's cheapest
[20:44] <ali1234> probably zero w then
[20:44] <ali1234> although ESP8266 and clone arduinos are even cheaper
[20:45] <NineChickens> I have the arduino
[20:45] <Simonious> I've got about 10 esp8266s on various dev boards here
[20:45] <Simonious> got over 20 arduino nanos..
[20:45] <Simonious> those things are so handy for one offs
[20:45] <ali1234> same, also got some of those STM32 boards
[20:46] <ali1234> and a CHIP
[20:46] <ali1234> still haven't taken that thing out of the box
[20:46] <NineChickens> I also found a use for my bus pass after I leave school
[20:46] <NineChickens> If I need something that uses RFID I can just use that
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[20:50] <NineChickens> And yes, I have an RFID bus pass
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[20:56] <GreeningGalaxy> Okay, the latest Lite image is just giving me a rainbow screen. is it toast?
[20:56] <axion> anyone hear use pihole? How is this better than a simple sh/curl/sed/dnsmasq script?
[20:56] <axion> here*
[20:56] <oq> axion: probably not
[20:57] <NineChickens> For me it's useless
[20:57] <Simonious> GreeningGalaxy: probably not if it got that far.
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[20:58] <axion> Just got my pimail and debating on a purpose. I havent had a pi in quite a few years.
[20:58] <oq> axion: retropie works quite well
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[20:59] <NineChickens> One of my friends owns two pis
[20:59] <GreeningGalaxy> Simonious: so what gives then? the image works fine on every pi I've tried except my 0 W.
[20:59] <axion> I'm a programmer so not really interested in any handsy hardware projects. I'm a game developer. I've had retroarch on a highend machine for years and it doesnt get much use heh.
[20:59] <NineChickens> another's brother owns one
[21:00] <oq> axion: retropie is a classic console emulator os
[21:00] <oq> for playing snes roms and such
[21:00] <axion> oq: I am familiar with retroarch that it is based on. I actually contributed to the proect years ago
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[21:02] <Simonious> GreeningGalaxy: I wish I knew. I haven't got my hands on a w yet.
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[21:10] <Simonious> GreeningGalaxy: I guess try a few images, that'd be my path in the same situation
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[21:10] <Simonious> possibly put the image in a different pi and fully update it
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[21:11] <GreeningGalaxy> I've already tried three OSes on five cards, including up-to-date Raspbian. The results are consistently the same, e.g. works absolutely fine on every pi except the 0W.
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[21:15] <ghostboarder> hey guys, having some fun here, i have set up a rpi3 torrent box, with ddns and torrent client working great. I also set up vpn, and im wondering, how does ddns work with vpn?
[21:15] <ghostboarder> will clients connecting via hostname get the public ip address of the server, or will dns refresh and show the vpn address?
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[21:25] <GreeningGalaxy> dd says it's getting like 80 MB/s write. This is a UHS-1 card. How is that possible?
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[21:29] <GreeningGalaxy> My friend has two Zero Ws, and I tried to get them to boot Void and ran into the same (e.g. bricklike) behavior as I am now. I guess it's possible it's not broken, but I'm sure surprised and stumped.
[21:31] <GreeningGalaxy> oh, here's some progress. Reimaged yet another card (this time fresh out of the package) and instead of a rainbow screen, now I get a kernel panic. "Failed to get irq for DMA ch"
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[21:34] <GreeningGalaxy> interesting, my 0 1.3 is also kernel panicking.
[21:34] <GreeningGalaxy> no message about DMA though
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[21:37] <ShorTie> what is your dd line ??
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[21:40] <GreeningGalaxy> dd if=2017-03-02-raspbian-jessie-lite.img of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1M status=progress
[21:40] <GreeningGalaxy> from the root terminal
[21:41] <Habbie> on what kind of machine?
[21:41] <ShorTie> on a laptop or the pi ??
[21:41] <GreeningGalaxy> on a laptop
[21:41] <GreeningGalaxy> on a pi I would expect that command to cause problems because mmcblk0 holds the root filesystem :V
[21:42] <ShorTie> typically, those laptop sdcard don't work well and a usb 1 is advised
[21:42] <Habbie> GreeningGalaxy, that's why i asked ;)
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[21:42] <GreeningGalaxy> I've never had problems with this card reader, but I sure have with USB ones.
[21:42] <Habbie> GreeningGalaxy, it would be -possible- on a pi, just lots of effort and thus unlikely
[21:43] <Habbie> GreeningGalaxy, to rule out ShorTie's hunch, you could read the SD back and compare it to the image
[21:43] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm trying it with a USB reader now
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[21:44] <GreeningGalaxy> but like I said I've never had reason to suspect problems with a built-in laptop card reader before
[21:44] <Habbie> me neither
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[21:44] <Habbie> but (1) ShorTie is not saying it for nothing (2) your problems are Weird
[21:45] <leftyfb> it's not the sd card reader if GreeningGalaxy is imaging sd cards and they're working on other pi's without issue
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[21:45] <mfa298> GreeningGalaxy: have you checked that /dev/mmcblk0 is the SD on your laptop, on most of my linux machines the SD card appears at /dev/sdX (where X is usually b-d depending on what's plugged in)
[21:45] <Habbie> oh that's a reasonable point
[21:45] <Habbie> unless it's messing up just kernel.img
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[21:48] <GreeningGalaxy> look, I've flashed probably 20 cards on this machine before. I have about six different RPis that I'm using for research, and I've helped my classmates fix theirs numerous times too. This is pretty much routine for me at this point.
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[21:49] <GreeningGalaxy> I still think the fact that it's not working has to be either something to do with the Pi Zero W, or something wrong with this specific one.
[21:49] <Habbie> i'm tempted to unpack my zero w and see
[21:50] <Habbie> been sitting on my desk for weeks
[21:50] <GreeningGalaxy> although... huh. the card I flashed using the USB reader actually appears to be working.
[21:50] <Habbie> well
[21:50] <Habbie> that's interesting
[21:50] <ShorTie> what class is that sdcard ??
[21:50] <GreeningGalaxy> 10
[21:50] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
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[21:51] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm gonna try imaging another with the USB reader to see if it works, then try again with the internal card reader.
[21:51] <ShorTie> the internal reader could be old and not really support class 10
[21:51] <Habbie> ShorTie, then it would just write slower, i would assume
[21:52] <ShorTie> assumetion is the Mother of all evil i do believe they say
[21:53] <Habbie> of course
[21:53] <GreeningGalaxy> once again, this is not the first class-10 card I have tried to write with this internal card reader. It is probably close to the 50th, and I have never once encountered problems this significant before.
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[21:57] <GreeningGalaxy> ok, reflashing the card using the internal card reader also resulted in a working card
[21:57] <GreeningGalaxy> must be... gnomes
[21:58] <NineChickens> Do servos need the PWM GPIO points?
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[22:05] <GreeningGalaxy> NineChickens: I have no idea, I've never had luck with servos
[22:05] <NineChickens> IIRC you need to use wiringpi
[22:05] <NineChickens> also is most electronics mostly luck?
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[22:05] <GreeningGalaxy> NineChickens: the PWM output (BCM pin 18) will give you the most stable PWM, but all the other GPIOs can be made to do software PWM at the expense of less stable frequency.
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[22:06] <NineChickens> Apparently BCM12 and BCM13 are also PWM pins
[22:06] <GreeningGalaxy> the pigpiod Python library will let you use the Pi's DMA controller for highly stable PWM on all the GPIOs, but it only supports a few discrete frequency and duty cycle settings.
[22:07] <NineChickens> ok, thanks
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[22:12] <GreeningGalaxy> wait, 12 and 13 are PWM too?
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[22:12] <NineChickens> They are on the 2x20
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[22:12] <NineChickens> https://pinout.xyz/
[22:13] <ghostboarder> guys, anyone know where the heck the .conf file is for openvpn on raspbian?
[22:13] <ghostboarder> i need to add a route
[22:13] <GreeningGalaxy> oh, apparently there's a newer library than pigpiod for DMA PWM
[22:14] <GreeningGalaxy> NineChickens: hmm, 12 and 18 are both listed as PWM0. is PWM on one mutually exclusive with the other?
[22:15] <NineChickens> no idea
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[22:15] <NineChickens> I have never used the gpio before
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[22:34] <gordonDrogon> you can use wiringPi for servos, but ONLY on the 2 x hardware PWM pins.
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[22:35] <gordonDrogon> the software PWM in wiringPi is not suitable for driving servos - it's simple motors & lights only.
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[22:43] <ArtesMagae> First Raspberry pi just arrived in the mail! Here we go :)
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[22:47] <NineChickens> nice
[22:47] <NineChickens> what are you doing with it?
[22:48] <ghostboarder> guys, anyone know where the heck the .conf file is for openvpn on raspbian?
[22:49] <plum> usually it's not created by default i thought?
[22:49] <ghostboarder> i added a route to the only config file i could find but it doesnt seem to work
[22:49] <ArtesMagae> I have no big plans yet! Probably retropi for the girlfriend. For me, I would like to try setting it up to run some programs all the time.
[22:50] <ghostboarder> im using ddns and openvpn to run a torrentbox from a remote location
[22:50] <ArtesMagae> Like running a program to help a chess computer (stockfish) learn.
[22:50] <ghostboarder> but i cant get into the remote ui for deluge once the vpn is up
[22:51] <ghostboarder> oh wait. Plum did you say its not created by defaut>
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[23:00] <plum> yeah i thought you needed to create it
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[23:01] <plum> could be entirely wrong though, it's been a while since i ran a pi vpn
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[23:01] <plum> usually there's a lot of configuration you do in /etc/openvpn
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[23:02] <plum> most guides advise to copy easy-rsa to that folder too
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[23:04] <plum> ArtesMagae: can you tell me how to do that?
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[23:04] <plum> i'd love to help machine learning but i haven't found a good place to start
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[23:09] <plum> found something!
[23:09] <plum> https://github.com/glinscott/fishtest/wiki/Running-the-worker-on-Linux
[23:09] <plum> in case anyone else is interested :)
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[23:17] <Broly> my PCMCIA hard drive is DOA but i am dtermined. i will get it fixed. alpine charges an arm and a leg to get itdone though :P http://imgur.com/a/3E3ot
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[23:22] <hmoney> burtyb: im getting that clusterhat case 3d printed for $10 :)
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[23:47] <marcelod> hi!
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