#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-03-23

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[0:20] <redrabbit> hi
[0:20] <redrabbit> https://designdesk.org/linux/autorpi-image-maker < just finished this
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[0:21] <redrabbit> would be neat if someone could try it, i have tested it extensively and its working pretty good
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[0:32] <NineChickens> Chrome's giving me an SSL error
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[0:33] <redrabbit> meh
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[0:49] <plum> the pi bootloader and OS are loaded on the SD card by default... but would it be smarter to have the bootloader on SD card, and OS (lots more reads/writes) on an external hard drive?
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[0:55] <redrabbit> sd card dont share usb bw
[0:55] <redrabbit> so...
[0:55] <redrabbit> sd cards are easy to replace as well
[0:56] <plum> easy to replace but you still have your whole install to redo every time then D:
[0:56] <redrabbit> not really
[0:56] <redrabbit> backups
[0:56] <plum> would it be more likely that an sd card install like that would crash compared to a hard drive?
[0:57] <redrabbit> no
[0:57] <redrabbit> never had 1 sd card failure, ever
[0:57] <plum> right onnnn
[0:57] <redrabbit> and i like to mess with the power plugs
[0:57] <redrabbit> i really mess with them
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[1:01] <plum> sweet. i won't mess with moving the OS to the hard drive then, seems like a waste of effort
[1:01] <plum> like i can just have it mounted as a folder etc
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[1:03] <redrabbit> lite takes less than a gb naked
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[1:04] <redrabbit> then with a bit of stuff, i rarely need more than 4gb
[1:04] <redrabbit> for the system stuff its more than enough
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[3:48] <Limix> Hi all, what is the best lib to install to use the audio jack? I am using mpg321, but wondering if I should use something else instead. I hear this constant crackling sound
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[4:29] <hmoney> no idea on the lib limix, but im curious if you have some type of DAC or if you're just using the 3.5mm audio jack
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[4:47] <Abbott> does the default raspbian image have some kind of x components that start automatically
[4:47] <Abbott> lxsession doesn't bring up anything, but i thought lxde was installed by default
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[4:52] <leftyfb> Abbott: yes, it does
[4:52] <leftyfb> Abbott: https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[4:52] <leftyfb> "RASPBIAN JESSIE WITH PIXEL"
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[4:57] <Abbott> leftyfb: Is pixel only accessible via vnc? can't find any systemd unit for it or a relevent command e.g. startx xinit etc
[4:58] <Broly> isn't there a setting to configure the gui in raspi config
[4:58] <leftyfb> Abbott: if you imaged your sd card using the image from the link I provided, then it will boot automatically to the PIXEL desktop. If you're not getting that, either you're not using that image or it wasn't imaged correctly. I'm going with the former.
[4:59] <Broly> that is also true
[4:59] <leftyfb> Broly: by default, raspbian with PIXEL will boot straight to the desktop
[4:59] <Abbott> I don't have it hooked up to a hdmi display
[4:59] <Abbott> i used dd to write that image
[4:59] <leftyfb> Abbott: then how would you determine the desktop is running or not?
[4:59] <Abbott> i don't know lol
[5:00] <Abbott> i've been pgrep'ing for pixel and related processes and trying to run them when I don't find them
[5:00] <Abbott> I'm not getting anything
[5:00] <Abbott> I could have used a different image as you said
[5:01] <Broly> what
[5:01] <leftyfb> Abbott: why do you need the desktop if you don't have it plugged into a display?
[5:01] <Broly> i guess he's saving for a rainy day
[5:01] <Broly> where the rainy day is the first bootup on a big tv, and the saving is adding packages
[5:01] <Broly> what a loser
[5:01] <Broly> lol
[5:02] <Abbott> i was trying to boot into the desktop to disable automatic startup
[5:02] <leftyfb> Broly: there's no need for that
[5:02] <Broly> i know but it's just so
[5:02] * Broly moves hand upwards
[5:02] <leftyfb> Abbott: you don't need desktop for that
[5:02] <Broly> just a little higher
[5:02] <leftyfb> Abbott: sudo raspi-config
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[5:03] <Abbott> I didn't know about this command
[5:03] <Abbott> thanks leftyfb
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[5:05] <Limix> hmoney, just using the 3.5 jack. In general there is also quite a delay with the audio package I’m using in nodejs. All around is seems flimsy. Any suggestions from anyone of the best libs to use to play and pause audio tracks from the 3.5mm jack
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[5:09] <Broly> i'm sorry Abbott
[5:09] <Broly> i didn't mean to inflict any sort of prolonged damage
[5:10] <Broly> just a short term disruption in your consciousness. preferably in the 10 scond range
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[5:29] <Broly> wonder how long it took him to think of that quit message
[5:29] <Broly> typical texan
[5:30] <[Saint]> Hey!
[5:30] <[Saint]> ...You best not be messin' with Texas.
[5:30] <[Saint]> They made all those signs and flags.
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[5:30] <Broly> i don't, like, whois people and be like GAWD I HTE HIM
[5:30] <Broly> HE FROM TEXAS
[5:31] <[Saint]> ...yeah, no. That'd be weird.
[5:31] <[Saint]> *whistles*
[5:31] <Broly> just that when you have a quit message like that, it's... well.... representative of a certain "breed" of "thinker" (that is what they view themselves as, of course. whether it is of use is of another concern)
[5:31] <Broly> so i who'd
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[5:32] <hmoney> no reason to stereotype an entire state fellas - texan
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[5:35] <[Saint]> If you don't want people messin' with you, you proably shouldn't have put up all the signs.
[5:35] <[Saint]> It's like "no parking" or "stick no bills".
[5:35] <[Saint]> People just wanna' do the opposite. ;)
[5:35] <Broly> lol
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[5:37] <[Saint]> http://i.imgur.com/5Tih73y.png
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[6:00] <[Saint]> Pretty impresses with myself for managing to keep this server up while I hardened it.
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[6:01] <[Saint]> There's like 30 fstab entries now, for intricate bind mounts and shenanigans all over the show.
[6:02] <[Saint]> Managed to do the bulk of it live, and it's still standing. But the proof will be whether it survives being taken down and brought back up again.
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[6:04] <[Saint]> At this point I'm really not confident why noexec /tmp and /shm isn't a default.
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[7:13] <[Saint]> Woo! It lives!
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[7:14] <[Saint]> And...nothing is obviously broken, and my dynamic exec/noexec magic for everything that requires it functions.
[7:14] <[Saint]> Awwwww yiss.
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[7:30] <mfa298> [Saint]: reading back an hour, noexec on /tmp cn break some things in weird ways, particularly apt/dpkg
[7:32] <[Saint]> mfa298: that's very easily fixed. And RPF Raspbian already ships with some custom rules in apt.conf.d
[7:32] <[Saint]> One more won't hurt.
[7:33] <[Saint]> pi@raspberrypi:~ $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00runfirst
[7:33] <[Saint]> / Satisfy apt if /tmp is mounted with the
[7:33] <[Saint]> / noexec parameter
[7:33] <[Saint]> DPkg {
[7:33] <[Saint]> Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";};
[7:33] <[Saint]> Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount /tmp";};
[7:33] <[Saint]> }
[7:34] <[Saint]> bingo-bango.
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[7:57] * [Saint] points out that that's his apt.conf.d rule, not RPF's
[7:57] <[Saint]> RPF's magic is in */50raspi
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[8:16] <brainzap> good morning piberians
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[8:16] <brainzap> what is the correct angle to position your working desk - in relation to the sun coming through the windows
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[8:18] <aZz7eCh> not really a RPI issue brainzap
[8:18] <brainzap> because the sunlight stops me from working on soldering raspberry pis
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[8:27] <[Saint]> Let me tell you about this great new invention.
[8:27] <[Saint]> The scientists and "free thinking" types are calling them 'curtains'.
[8:27] <[Saint]> Not sure if the technology is too new for this world yet though.
[8:27] <[Saint]> Only time will tell.
[8:28] <HrdwrBoB_> my curtains are all faded because of daylight saving
[8:28] <mgottschlag> brainzap: in general, for computer screens, I've been told 90 degrees (at some time during company office safety briefing)
[8:29] <[Saint]> mgottschlag: orientation of screen-to-window is irrelevant if we don't know the orientation of the window and the hemisphere of the locality.
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[8:29] <[Saint]> there's at least two vitally important pieces of info missing.
[8:30] <[Saint]> But, I digress...curtains.
[8:30] <brainzap> I don't wanna miss out on the morning sun tho
[8:30] <HrdwrBoB_> well
[8:30] <[Saint]> If only they invented window coverings that could be open and closed.
[8:30] <HrdwrBoB_> curtains have two functions.
[8:30] <[Saint]> There may be a market for this...
[8:30] <HrdwrBoB_> open, and closed
[8:30] * [Saint] runs off the the patent office.
[8:31] <[Saint]> Gonna' be rich, boys! Rich I tells ya'!
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[8:31] <brainzap> maybe automated curtains, that automatically adjust based on if I work on the screen
[8:32] * mfa298 would prefer something with angled slats, maybe something you could drop and angle enough to stop the sun but stioll let in daylight
[8:32] <[Saint]> mfa298: those are called "blinds".
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[8:32] <[Saint]> The Venetians invented them hundreds of years ago.
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[8:33] <mfa298> [Saint]: I'm aware, {I should probably have included a :p )
[8:33] <[Saint]> Ah, right.
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[8:36] <mfa298> there's also film you can get to cut out some of the light from the sun, although I'm not sure it really helps that much
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[8:39] <HrdwrBoB_> ?
[8:39] <HrdwrBoB_> you mean ... 'tint'
[8:40] <HrdwrBoB_> that is really effective in keeping both light and heat out?
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[8:42] <oq> HrdwrBoB_: film for the monitor presumably
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[8:46] <mfa298> i was thinking of film for the windows, it reduces some of the light and heat but it can still be a problem
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[8:50] <HrdwrBoB_> it comes in all kinds of setups
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[9:45] <thecha> does the rpi get destroyed if it gets powered off by pulling the ppower cable rather than shutting down?
[9:46] <thecha> can an interuption in power on the rpi erase the sd card? will it boot after you didnt manually shut off?
[9:48] <ShorTie> rpi can't get distroyed, but the sdcard can become corrupt
[9:48] <thecha> how to prevent?
[9:48] <ShorTie> don't pull the plug .. :/~
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[9:49] <thecha> I don't want my sd card to become corrupt :(
[9:49] <thecha> what about power outage?
[9:50] <ShorTie> there is like no 100% thing you can do to keep it from happening
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[9:52] <mfa298> thecha: it's the same as with any computer, if there's a powercut then there's a risk of losing data and data becoming corrupt.
[9:52] <ShorTie> just like a hdd, writing data + power outage == corrupt data
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[9:52] <mfa298> the chance of that happening is possibly slighlty higher on a Pi as SD cards aren't really designed to be used like a hard drive.
[9:53] <thecha> no mfa298 if my laptops powe cable is plulled out then it will still boot after i plug it in
[9:53] <mfa298> if it's a concern do regular backups and have a UPS
[9:53] <thecha> this is NOT normal
[9:53] <mfa298> thecha: if you're laptop loses power then there's still a risk of data corruption (it might be a low risk but it's still there)
[9:53] <thecha> no there isnt
[9:54] <mfa298> laptop potentially has the advantage of having a build in UPS (the battery)
[9:54] <thecha> if my rpi loses power i can jsut restore straigth from back up
[9:54] <thecha> if my laptop uses power a million times it will boot after a million times... huge fucking difference ...jsut saying
[9:55] <thecha> how can i use this thing as a server if any power losss will destroy it's ability to boot
[9:55] <Lartza> thecha, No it doesn't
[9:55] <Lartza> Your laptop can lose data all the same
[9:55] <ShorTie> watch your mouth and read the rules~~~~
[9:55] <mfa298> thecha: no need for breaking the rules with family unfriendly language
[9:55] <Lartza> In any case, are you expecting power outages?
[9:55] <thecha> it wil boot after having lost powe r unexpectedly
[9:55] <thecha> mfa298→ agreed
[9:55] <Lartza> thecha, It can or it might not yes, all depends on what is happening at the point of power loss, just like with the RPi
[9:56] <Lartza> Hard drives cannot lose power suddenly and not corrupt most of the time
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[9:56] <ShorTie> noby has control of the wear leveling of a sdcard, lose of power then and sdcard is gone
[9:57] <ShorTie> s/noby/nobody/
[9:57] <Viper168_> was going to find this noby guy
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[9:58] <mfa298> thecha: it's rare but any computer if it's loses all power without shutting down has a risk of losing data. I (and I suspect a few others here) have seen it happen
[9:59] <mfa298> there's a 2nd issue of being able to detect corrupt data and that's a massive task in itself. Most filesystems aren't very good at dealing with that
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[10:00] <thecha> idk maybe i am putting too much value on being able to boot a system more than one without having to restore from back up
[10:00] <DarkJarris> im a computer repair guy, ive seen data loss on laptops and towers due to sudden powe loss.
[10:00] <thecha> that i have never seen with any system
[10:00] <DarkJarris> all the time
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[10:00] <DarkJarris> over the last 8 years, ive seen it probably twice a year
[10:00] <thecha> that the way it is shut off/duisconnected from power will prevent it from booting
[10:00] <mfa298> thecha: With the Pi a lot comes down to the quality of the SD card (very much like the quality of the hdd/ssd used in a PC)
[10:01] <thecha> mfa298→ wasn't there a list of highquality sd cards recomended for the use of rpi?
[10:01] <mfa298> I've power cycled some Pi's often (when they've locked up) without issue, others you only have to look at and they have issues.
[10:01] <DarkJarris> to say that it never happens on "normal computers" is flat out wrong.
[10:02] <DarkJarris> also, for what its worth, my Rpi has lost power suddenly many times and its perfectly fine
[10:02] <mfa298> and the same is true on PCs (cheap ssd's particularly can have that issue if they're in the middle of an read/erase/write cylce - although trim helps with that)
[10:02] <thecha> what kind of rpi do you have and which sd card?
[10:02] <DarkJarris> i for Rpi 3B, and some chinese sd card
[10:02] <DarkJarris> i got*
[10:03] <mfa298> I have most models of Pi (apart from zeros), with the Pi2/Pi3 I mostly use sandisk ultra 16g or 32g cards
[10:03] <thecha> chinese sd cards are usually very good quality
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[10:03] <thecha> i ordered a ton of those they are cheap too
[10:03] <thecha> sandisk wont have this issue?
[10:03] <DarkJarris> yes it will.
[10:03] <DarkJarris> ANY card will.
[10:03] <thecha> sandisk is a very overpriced compared with aliexpress
[10:03] <DarkJarris> because thats how computers work
[10:04] <thecha> why does my laptop boot after i yank out the battery?
[10:04] <DarkJarris> probably because it wasnt writing to any files at the time
[10:05] <thecha> can i boot the rpi form ddd?
[10:05] <thecha> hdd i mean, does it HAVE to be the (language) sd card?
[10:06] <DarkJarris> i presume you could, if you had one in a usb enclosure and plugged in all the time
[10:06] <DarkJarris> but if youre hoping that data loss never happens because its a hdd, you'd be wrong
[10:07] <mfa298> pi3 can do full usb boot (although possibly still experimental) other models need a few files at least on an sd card
[10:07] <DarkJarris> yeah i as just thinking.. can they even usb boot?
[10:07] <mfa298> the *ony* way to protect data from being lost is to backup regularly and often to something external and ideally have a UPS to protect from power outages
[10:08] <thecha> first i dont reallly carea baout data loss, i want a system that (language again) boots after i switch it on , and doesnt (language) require a restore from back up ever ysingle day
[10:08] <thecha> if it were to ose some data here and there i would be bale to deal with that
[10:08] <thecha> do you know what an UPS costs?
[10:09] <thecha> well at any rate thanks you kindly people!
[10:09] <thecha> so i need to find a cheap ups or move to a place where power is not a problem
[10:10] <mfa298> with a decent setup there's no need to recover it every day. My pi2 has been running the same image for well over a year and no issues. that's been power cycled several times when it's locked up
[10:10] <thecha> mfa how?
[10:10] <thecha> mfa if i can get it to work that way i am fine
[10:10] <mfa298> if you're getting lots of corrupt images then I'd also look at the PSU you're using, chances are it's not providing enough power which can also cause corruption
[10:10] <thecha> wherein lies your decent set up?
[10:11] <mfa298> thecha: decent branded SD, decent branded PSU
[10:11] <thecha> not enough power can also corrupt?
[10:11] <thecha> how much amperage does your psu supply? i heard 2.5 for rpi 3b
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[10:12] <mfa298> most of mine are 2.5A and 5.1v and branded from trusted sources (i.e. not cheap things or phone chargers)
[10:13] <HrdwrBoB> plenty of phone chargers are fine
[10:13] <thecha> maybe my powerr suppy is too low, gonna measure what it actually puts out later
[10:13] <thecha> thanks that was good advice
[10:13] <thecha> probably depend on the specs
[10:14] <thecha> my phone charger wouldtn power the thing it only had .3 A
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> most new phone chargers are much more
[10:14] <thecha> some go higher up
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> hell my pixel USB C charger is massively powerufl
[10:15] <thecha> i got to leave
[10:15] <thecha> i am gonna buy a new sd
[10:15] <thecha> and i am gonna buy a new power too if my current turns out to be mislabled
[10:15] <mfa298> soe of those phone chargers won't maintain the 5v needed as you draw more power - you only need a bit over 4v to charge the battery, but the pi won't work that low down
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[10:16] <thecha> mfa298→ and if it draws too muchcurrent and the voltage drops it will destroy the SD
[10:16] <mfa298> the first easy check for bad power on the pi2/pi3 is to look at the red power led it should be always on
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[10:21] <DarkJarris> man
[10:21] <DarkJarris> that was something else
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[10:24] <swensson> Hey guys, I got a script that gets my xbox controllers input and sending it to another rpi atm, but when my ssh / internet connection breaks, my script does also nohup myscript dosn't work since it writing a new file with the name nohup.out
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[10:42] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Boom!
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[11:21] <mrkofee> Hi everyone, has anyone tried to connect multiple MPR121 sensors to the Pi 3 B? I am connecting the ADDR pin to +3V, SCA or SCL but nothing works
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[11:22] <mrkofee> in fact, connecting to +3V seems to create a short, SCL and SCA screw up the i2c bus :/
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[11:35] <Gadgetoid_Pim> mrkofee, that's odd
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[11:36] <mrkofee> it is :/
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[11:58] <Gadgetoid_Pim> The datasheet doesn't say to do anything special, the ADDR pin should fire up, figure out what it's connected to, then do nada
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[12:07] <mrkofee> that's how I understand it, too
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[12:27] <max12345> hello everyone, I have followed some instructions to set up an A to D chip with SPI, but it spi.open gives an IOerror. I have found some online help threads but what I found there hasn't worked so far.
[12:27] <max12345> I have updated my kernel
[12:27] <max12345> I have enabled the SPI with raspi-config
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[12:27] <max12345> what can I do?
[12:28] <ShorTie> you using wiringPi ??
[12:28] <max12345> ...no?
[12:28] <max12345> should I?
[12:29] <max12345> I'm using spidev
[12:29] <ShorTie> i would
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[12:45] <max12345> ok so the answer was to disable some stuff in boot/config
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[12:45] <max12345> that was put there by some script...
[12:45] <max12345> at least now the spi shows up in /dev/
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[12:48] <max12345> ok it works now
[12:48] <max12345> but it gives a weird output...
[12:49] <ShorTie> what is your adc chip ??
[12:49] <max12345> mcp3002
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[12:50] <max12345> actually this would probably make sense...
[12:50] <max12345> I should real the manual...
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[12:50] <max12345> like, it's giving me a reset 0 and then it builds to some values and then it resets itself again
[12:51] <ShorTie> ya, wiringPi has that 1
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[12:53] <max12345> yes, I probably just need the correct tick rate in my program to make sense of it
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[12:56] <max12345> oooh you can sample it as fast as you want
[12:57] <max12345> that's coool...
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[13:12] <tsglove> I found this super cool --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWlZ3B_hq_g
[13:12] <tsglove> Might be a nifty project to do once I setup the 3d printer (which I *still* haven't setup).
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[13:26] <mozak> hi did anyone meybe saw a hdmi tight fit reverse direction adapter like those they use on screen hats i think
[13:26] <mozak> i have space issues
[13:27] <mozak> like this
[13:27] <mozak> http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=22424
[13:29] <tsglove> mozak, why don't you order them from aliexpress?
[13:29] <mozak> i cant find one
[13:29] <mozak> meybe i am blind
[13:29] <mozak> i searched hdmi male male
[13:29] <mozak> tryed with reverse too
[13:29] <mozak> do you know how chineze named them
[13:30] <mozak> and does micro usb like that exist too?
[13:30] <mozak> tou for micro usb i can i guess wire 2 cables
[13:30] <tsglove> https://electronilab.co/tienda/display-5-800-x-480-hdmi-tft-touch-screen-raspberry-pi/
[13:30] <tsglove> yet it costs 175,000 dollars
[13:31] <kerio> must be the hdmi-hdmi adapter
[13:31] <kerio> :D
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[13:32] <tsglove> hmm... did an reverse image search, and lots coming up... yet they are all in kits. I don't see them "individual"
[13:33] <kerio> is there a sensible way to do bluetooth PAN with a default install of raspbian?
[13:33] <kerio> and/or serial over bluetooth i guess
[13:33] <mozak> ye on all atm i only found one with flat cables
[13:33] <mozak> and i think flat cables sux cuz they are week
[13:34] <tsglove> mozak, I would email the companies that are selling the lcd kits (which contain the adapter you have), and tell them if they'll sell you only the hdmi-to-hdmi adapter
[13:36] <kerio> flat cables are probably better tbh
[13:36] <kerio> less likely to shatter or whatever
[13:37] <tsglove> or ask in this channel again in a couple of hours. It's un-usually quiet right now
[13:37] <kerio> i made a cardboard case for my pi0 ;o
[13:37] <kerio> i'm so pro
[13:38] <mozak> i want to make a steel case xD
[13:38] <kerio> why steel
[13:38] <kerio> when you can use cardboard and duct tape
[13:39] <mozak> https://cad.onshape.com/documents/4d2215d5d5193166dec7d438/w/23fb0e95dc7bc2fd399661c7/e/17b9054ad0eda1685b0bc6a1
[13:39] <mozak> cuz screen
[13:39] <mozak> cardboard kinda sux
[13:39] <mozak> xD
[13:39] <kerio> what's the point of a pi-powered laptop
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[13:40] <mozak> trevel pi :)
[13:40] <mozak> whats point of any laptop?
[13:41] <mozak> if not gamer one
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[13:41] <brainzap> work work work
[13:41] <mozak> why would i buy a laptop when i can make custom one with pi
[13:41] <kerio> because the rasperry pi as a desktop system is very mediocre
[13:41] <kerio> very cheap too, but very mediocre
[13:42] <mozak> pi can run most things i need and for hard duty work i have Desktop
[13:42] <mozak> pi can run offic, browse net, play movises
[13:42] <brainzap> it does not play 10 flash videos at once ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[13:42] <mozak> same can be done on dualcore shity laptops that cost 300+ euro and have worst resolutions
[13:42] <mozak> lol i hate flash
[13:43] <mozak> flash is shit, 1 youtube video max
[13:43] <kerio> does the pi3 even have enough brute power to handle a youtube video
[13:43] <mozak> and i 99% dont want youtube only for some turtorials
[13:43] <kerio> like from within chromium
[13:43] <mozak> no
[13:43] <mozak> for 702p
[13:43] <mozak> but with olmxplayer
[13:43] <mozak> you can play it just not from chrome
[13:43] <mozak> from what i know
[13:44] <mozak> meybe i am wrong
[13:45] <kerio> i should take a pic of my awesome case
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[13:45] <mozak> show me
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[13:48] <mozak> whats your screen anyway?
[13:49] <kerio> mozak: https://0x0.st/tFe.jpg
[13:50] <kerio> my screen?
[13:50] <kerio> i don't even have a hdmi cable
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[13:50] <plugwash> even the bottom end of regular laptops usually have substantially more CPU power and ram than the Pi
[13:51] <mozak> lol
[13:51] <mozak> nice case
[13:51] <mozak> it looks like rustick book
[13:51] <brainzap> I just leave my pis naked, even when traveling the just jump around in the bag
[13:51] <mozak> shoud name it book case
[13:52] <mozak> i have 1 rpi in plastic case i got when orederd
[13:52] <mozak> other is freefloating w8 for my custom pitop xD
[13:53] <mozak> Anyway i just solved my issu by turning pi around in other direction xD
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[13:55] <kerio> brainzap: what if they break D:
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[13:57] <brainzap> then they go to the raspberry graveyard, where all the version 1 are sleeping
[13:59] * codingpanic still hasa v1 in a datacenter somewhere
[13:59] <codingpanic> original SD and USB flash still running all these years
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[14:34] <MarioBranco> Having one problem
[14:34] <MarioBranco> can't format the SD CARD
[14:34] <MarioBranco> windows says is lock, write-protect
[14:35] <MarioBranco> but is not lock, already try with sdformatter and diskpartition
[14:35] <MarioBranco> all the time fail and say write-protecting
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[14:38] <Lartza> MarioBranco, So take write protection off? :P
[14:39] <MarioBranco> is not write protection ON
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[14:40] <Lartza> How are you checking? If it's a full-size card make sure the switch is not in the lock protection
[14:40] <Lartza> If it's microsd, it's all in software and you need to somehow make the bits indicate it's not locked
[14:40] <brainzap> there is a little switch on the left of the sd card adapter
[14:40] <MarioBranco> Dudes, i know
[14:41] <shiftplusone> MarioBranco: I've had that happen. The card died and would ignore writes. SD Formatter said it was read only, although it was a microsd with no switch.
[14:41] <MarioBranco> shiftplusone, ok
[14:41] <MarioBranco> the same here
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[14:41] <Lartza> Yeah if it's not the physical switch, and you haven't set the locked bit it's most likely dead
[14:41] <Lartza> That happens to electronics too
[14:42] <Lartza> The physical switch can malfunction and be loose too so be sure to fiddle with it if you haven't
[14:42] <MarioBranco> already try with 2 diferrent switchs
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[14:43] <shiftplusone> had an annoying adapter which would always flip to the locked position if there was the tiniest nudge.... which would happen every time it was inserted into the reader >=/
[14:43] <Lartza> But you might accidentally write to the card when you put it inside a reader!
[14:43] <Lartza> ;)
[14:44] <MarioBranco> I can read
[14:44] <MarioBranco> but i can't write
[14:44] <MarioBranco> that is why i think the microSD is not dead
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> the switch on SD cards is mechanical - designed to be read by the reader device - which can ignore it - as the Pi does.
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[14:45] <shiftplusone> It's definitely dead.
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[14:45] <gordonDrogon> however SD cards going read-only with maybe a capacity of 30MB means they're dead
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> I now have 3 like that.
[14:45] <shiftplusone> Mine went read only and still showed full capacity
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> one died when wifey pulled it out of her mac book pro before unmounting it...
[14:46] <shiftplusone> Which would almost be useful if you could lock it yourself from linux.
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[14:57] <gordonDrogon> the Pi v1's have an intersting feature - the lock switch is readable via a gpio pin. it's also possible to set the pin to output, write 1 to the pin and short the pin to 0v (which rebooted the Pi)
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[15:00] <kerio> :D
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[15:19] <plugwash> shiftplusone> had an annoying adapter which would always flip to the locked position if there was the tiniest nudge.... which would happen every time it was inserted into the reader >=/ <-- I have had that happen with several of the pi-branded adapters
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[15:20] <shiftplusone> Yup, I think that was the case here as well
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[15:46] <axion> Heh, the CanaKit uSD to USB adapter is garbage
[15:46] <ShorTie> i like my insignia
[15:46] <axion> So much for buying a kit to be set. Now I have no way to load an OS on my new Pi
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[15:47] <ShorTie> how are you trying to write the image if i can ask ??
[15:48] <axion> I'm not. I'm trying to access to device with cfisk/parted/dd/etc - all report No medium found, despite the blue indicator LED which suggests an sDcard is present. Also the block device is created at /dev/sda in every machine i've tried.
[15:49] <ShorTie> hmmm, no need to partition the sdcard
[15:49] <axion> Right.
[15:49] <axion> I cannot access the device whatsoever - only see that the kernel recognizes it.
[15:50] <ShorTie> just write a image
[15:50] <axion> I cannot access the device whatsoever - only see that the kernel recognizes it.
[15:50] <axion> dd fails. it cannot write due to no medium found.
[15:50] <ShorTie> i'm guessing your on a linux box ??
[15:50] <axion> Yes, I tried multiple Linux boxen and a single Windows machine
[15:51] <ShorTie> got windows around maybe ??
[15:51] <axion> Does not help
[15:51] <ShorTie> windows use win32diskimager
[15:51] <axion> I tried tht and SDformatter. The device is not able to be accessed at all
[15:52] <leftyfb> axion: this is a known working sd card? Have you tried other sd cards?
[15:53] <axion> Yes it works. It boots to OpenElec currently. I would like to change it though
[15:54] <axion> It's just the adapter that is garbage. Other SD cards in it have the same issue
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[16:04] <d0rm0us3> Check the write protect?
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[16:06] <axion> There is no write protect on a microSD card. Besides, the issue I'm having would result in _read_ protection
[16:07] <axion> And that would not be the case if the SD cards work outside of the adapter
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[16:13] <Dolos> What's the issue?
[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> Sounds like a wonky SD adapter
[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> I've had so many fail on me it's not even funny
[16:22] <MarioBranco> Any software to find out if the SD CARD is dead ?
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[16:38] <brainzap> you write and read the full card basically
[16:40] <shiftplusone> Is it working? Yes - it's fine. No -> Was it working before? Yes - it's dead. No - it's probably dead.
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[16:43] <axion> Heh yep...garbage. Adapter stopped working completely now. No LED, no block device registered. nada
[16:44] <axion> First and last time I buy canakit
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[16:45] <redrabbit> i was having a fit at their bundles / pricing the other day
[16:46] <redrabbit> its expensive af
[16:46] <redrabbit> im ok with expensive if its quality
[16:46] <redrabbit> but its not
[16:46] <redrabbit> ripoff
[16:47] <axion> Agreed. I only bought the starter kit bundle for 70usd because it turned out to be cheaper than piecing everything separately, and i didnt want to dig for my old pi1 hardware
[16:48] <redrabbit> tbh id have ordered the whole thing from alibaba
[16:48] <redrabbit> lol
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[16:48] <redrabbit> the accessories lots at literally penny priced with included shipping
[16:48] <redrabbit> s/lots/are
[16:48] <axion> Well I ordered from amazon because Prime 1 day shipping and gift card credit remainder
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[16:49] <redrabbit> yeah.. im guitly of overpaying for fast shipping myself
[16:49] <redrabbit> once in a while
[16:49] <redrabbit> at least you get it fast
[16:50] <axion> I dont overpay. I have Prime for my business and 1day shipping is free
[16:50] <redrabbit> well i mean for the stuff
[16:50] <redrabbit> no the shipping
[16:50] <axion> Actually all I have to do is call them, and they will credit me $60 and not even have me ship this back, but I did that not too long ago for a $500 purchase so don't want to bug them for pocket change :)
[16:51] <redrabbit> good to know
[16:51] <redrabbit> they dont want the gear back
[16:51] <redrabbit> ?
[16:51] <redrabbit> like if you say you're not satified
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[16:51] <axion> It's sold by canakit on the amazon marketplace
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[16:51] <axion> But Amazon pretty much kisses Prime subscriber ass
[16:52] <redrabbit> i almost pulled the trigger for the prime thing but id rather buy from the manufacturer and get it cheap^^
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[16:53] <plugwash> The crazy thing with prime is it's as cheap to buy a 1 month prime subscription as it is to pay for next day delivery on a single order
[16:53] <axion> redrabbit: actually Canakit is the seller, and they have a deal for Amazon purchases only. It's $20 cheaper to buy from the same manufacturer on Amazon than their own website
[16:53] <redrabbit> i think you have to pay for a year min her
[16:53] <redrabbit> e
[16:54] <redrabbit> since im in france the shipping times for ordering from china are kind of the same as from the us
[16:54] <plugwash> The thing I *really* like about prime (in the UK) though is that most items are available next day and unlike most places next day actually means next day not next working day
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[16:55] <redrabbit> yeah i orderd a bunch with next day, that is handy
[16:55] <axion> Yeah. Here in the US, Prime has a deal with the postal service for Sunday delivery. I always see mail trucks filled with amazon boxes :)
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[16:56] <plugwash> Here in the UK most amazon stuff seems to be sent "amazon logistics"
[16:56] <redrabbit> just got 4 packets from china today
[16:56] <redrabbit> i get some almost everyday these days
[16:56] <redrabbit> its crazy the value you get
[16:57] <redrabbit> i got like 50 sensors for the arduino + a chinese arduino
[16:57] <redrabbit> dupont cables and a couple breadboard
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[16:57] <redrabbit> some micro-sma connectors and antennas
[16:57] <redrabbit> that stuff aint on amazon (i guess)
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[16:58] <redrabbit> well not at that price anyway
[16:58] <redrabbit> :D
[16:59] <oq> plugwash: you can't pay monthly for amazon prime delivery in the uk, the monthly prime is for the video service only
[16:59] <redrabbit> same in france oq
[16:59] <redrabbit> but you get free trials once in a while
[17:00] <redrabbit> its evil cause when you got prime activated you order more useless stuff
[17:00] <axion> Ok, new SDXC retrieved. Back in business
[17:00] <oq> I'm split on prime, I don't use any of the other benefits and one day delivery is only £1.99 to an amazon locker
[17:01] <redrabbit> i plugged a 220v relay and a infrared "human sensor" on the arduino, gonna start with that
[17:01] <plugwash> oq, WRONG
[17:01] <oq> plugwash: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/primecentral/comparePlans/ref=pc_cp
[17:01] <axion> oq: The best thing is for DOA/wrong order stuff, they dont expect you to ship back. So you can just sell them
[17:01] <redrabbit> oq: i wouldnt subscribe since you get free shipping anyway
[17:01] <redrabbit> waiting a couple days aint a biggie
[17:01] <oq> redrabbit: free shipping on £20+
[17:02] <oq> if its a small thing you either have to load up your cart with something you don't need or wait
[17:02] <redrabbit> axion: if you dont have prime they really expect you to ship back
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[17:02] <redrabbit> that i can tell
[17:02] <axion> Thats what I mentioned
[17:02] <redrabbit> oq: or order from china with free shippnig from 50 cents
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[17:03] <redrabbit> also comes with the mighty china "perfume" rofl
[17:03] <plugwash> oq, hmm for me that page is offering monthly and annual options both including delivery
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[17:04] <plugwash> IIRC when I subscribed there were three options, a monthly video only, a montly including delivery and an annual including delivery
[17:04] <redrabbit> also small items with prime are incredibly pricey
[17:04] <redrabbit> i payed some basic cable (usb to micro usb) like 8Eur
[17:04] <redrabbit> because it was angled
[17:04] <redrabbit> thing is worth cents
[17:05] <oq> plugwash: http://i.imgur.com/eFZ1JXH.png this is what I see
[17:05] <redrabbit> depending on what you buy its either a bargain or not
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[17:06] <redrabbit> obviously its 8Eur because most of the cost here goes to logistics
[17:06] <redrabbit> its embeded in the pricing
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[17:07] <plugwash> oq, odd maybe it's because you haven't had your free trial yet or something.
[17:08] <plugwash> or maybe they changed the rules in the last couple of weeks
[17:08] <oq> plugwash: maybe you're grandfathered in
[17:08] <plugwash> oq, maybe but I frequently cancel and restart prime
[17:08] <oq> like how people who were paying for prime before they bundled the video crap don't have to pay for it
[17:09] <plugwash> (i.e. when I buy prime I immediately tell it not to renew)
[17:11] <redrabbit> its geo localized content
[17:12] <redrabbit> thats why you dont get the same page
[17:12] <oq> redrabbit: we're both in the uk
[17:12] <lopta> I wish I was in the UK.
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[17:12] <oq> lopta: why?
[17:13] <kerio> do i buy a hdmi-hdmi cable and use the minihdmi adapter i already have, or do i buy a minihdmi-hdmi cable
[17:13] <shauno> I Sometimes do, just for logistical reasons. Shipping tends to treat Ireland like the US treats alaska
[17:13] <plugwash> kerio, IMO it depends
[17:14] <kerio> i don't have anything that needs a hdmi-hdmi cable
[17:14] <redrabbit> oq: odd
[17:14] <lopta> oq: I'd get to visit my family, for one thing.
[17:14] <plugwash> if it's on a test/development bench it's probablly easier to use adaptors rather than reaching around the back of the monitor every time you change the device under test
[17:14] <plugwash> OTOH if it's for a permanent setup then I would rather have a specific cable
[17:15] <lopta> shauno: Are you in the North then?
[17:15] <shauno> nah, the republic
[17:15] <kerio> plugwash: i don't even have a monitor
[17:15] <kerio> this would be for a tv
[17:15] <lopta> Ah right. I've been listening to a podcast lately with a couple of Irish fellas on it.
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[17:16] <lopta> Ordinarily it would be NSFW but I spend a lot of the work day in my car, so I can listen to whatever I want.
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[17:16] <oq> shauno: how do you feel about martin mcguinness dying?
[17:17] <kerio> can the videocore decode 1080p60 h264?
[17:17] <shauno> well, I'm actually british, I just live here. So probably not the perspective you're seeking
[17:18] <lopta> shauno: I'm British too.
[17:18] <lopta> (part Irish, mind)
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[17:20] <shauno> just .. the UK would make stuff like Prime more sensible (it doesn't work out here - you're not elligible for prime shipping. and it actually removes the 20-quid free shipping tier, so you end up worse off than without)
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[17:21] <lopta> shauno: Don't Amazon have a presence in Eire?
[17:21] <shauno> a corporate presence, not a logistical one
[17:21] <lopta> Hmm... well that's poop.
[17:21] <shauno> if I buy from amazon or apple, it's shipped from the UK, despite their HQ being here. it's kinda funny really
[17:22] <axion> What does it mean when a new pi3 booted once, but don't even get a rainbow screen any other boot?
[17:22] <Rukus> sdcard blank?
[17:22] <Rukus> should also be hooked to tv first
[17:22] <Rukus> . / monitor
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[17:23] <axion> Nope. copied noobs to vfat partition. tv of course works. tested the input with another hdmi device
[17:23] <Rukus> hmmm
[17:23] <Rukus> only time i ever had a problem was, improperly inserted sdcard / bad card or not hooked to hdmi first
[17:23] <Rukus> (before booting)
[17:24] <axion> Yeah it was/is. tried 2 cards which work in a pc
[17:24] <axion> Hmm
[17:24] <Rukus> how did you copy noobs?
[17:24] <Rukus> format sdcard fat, copied over?
[17:24] <Rukus> (like you said i guess)
[17:24] <axion> mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/mmcblk0p1 && mount && cp files
[17:25] <lopta> I should give up looking for my microSDHC card reader and just buy a new one.
[17:25] <Rukus> hmmm
[17:25] <kerio> lopta: no mounted card reader?
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[17:25] <lopta> kerio: ?
[17:26] <kerio> like in a 3.5" bay
[17:26] <kerio> or in a laptop
[17:26] <Rukus> axion: try without the v?
[17:26] <lopta> I have no 3.5" bays and don't own a laptop.
[17:26] <Rukus> mkfs.fat -F 32 /dev/mmcblk0p1 && mount && cp file
[17:26] <kerio> what kind of weird case do you have ;o
[17:26] <GenteelBen> Card reader comes in handy once in a blue moon.
[17:26] <GenteelBen> Lots of high-end monitors feature card reader slots.
[17:27] <lopta> kerio: mITX case with spots for three 2.5" SSDs.
[17:27] * lopta accidentally takes over the world.
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[17:27] <Rukus> axion: but i guess that wouldnt allow longer file names... right
[17:27] <GenteelBen> lopta, sounds like you need to buy my USB3 25-in-1 card reader.
[17:27] <axion> Rukus: vfat is a symlink to fat :)
[17:27] <GenteelBen> The one I'm selling to you right now.
[17:27] <Rukus> axion: i have no clue haha
[17:27] <kerio> are there 25 competing memory card standards
[17:27] <Rukus> axion: I just format the sdcard using gparted GUI
[17:27] <lopta> GenteelBen: I have no USB 3 ports, sadly.
[17:28] <GenteelBen> kerio: lots of older standards. E.g. you have SDHC, miniSDHC, microSDHC, SDXC, miniSDXC, microSDXC, etc...
[17:28] <kerio> those are just SD
[17:28] <GenteelBen> Sony's Memory Sticks (of which there were about half a dozen different versions), MMC, CF
[17:28] <lopta> I need to go now. A machine is waiting for me to poke it with a sharpened stick.
[17:29] <kerio> that i can agree on
[17:29] <lopta> GenteelBen: I hope to try a MMCHC card in my 1B
[17:29] <axion> Is the rainbow screen displayed before the cards contents are read?
[17:29] <GenteelBen> kerio: when they advertise "25-in-1" they're counting all the variants, even if they're backwards compatible i.e. you'd never find an SDXC card slot which couldn't read SDHC cards.
[17:29] <axion> should i see that even if card is bad or not?
[17:29] <kerio> axion: try booting without the card?
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[17:29] <Rukus> axion, dos your TV respond to the pi at all? like... change from its "standy mode" (or whatever) and show thats its acceptign a signal... although blank?
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[17:29] <axion> Rukus: no
[17:29] <Rukus> try another hdmi cable maybe
[17:29] <GenteelBen> Do you guys use SD cards for the OS?
[17:29] <axion> It did for the first boot
[17:29] * plugwash still has a camera somewhere that takes XD cards
[17:30] <axion> Rukus: did
[17:30] <Rukus> axion: sorry I am having a hard time paying attention this morning lol
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[17:31] <lopta> GenteelBen: On by 2B I use a microSDHC card
[17:31] <lopta> GenteelBen: On my 1B i use an SDHC card.
[17:31] <lopta> ...at least until I can get this new card imaged.
[17:31] <Rukus> anyone successfully overclock their sdc slot?
[17:31] <MarinerSparks> ls -a
[17:31] <axion> All I see is a red light on the pi. It's not even providing power to kb or mouse
[17:31] <lopta> MarinerSparks: Password: ;-)
[17:31] <axion> No color test screen. nothing
[17:31] <MarinerSparks> Yeah, yeah
[17:32] <axion> Not sure how to debug this, as I have tried another sd card and hdmi cable
[17:32] <axion> and it was working earlier
[17:32] <lopta> MarinerSparks: Hey, we've all done that.
[17:32] <MarinerSparks> Too many terminals open at once. It's been a long morning.
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[17:33] <Rukus> axion I wonder whats going on. Its hard to mess up a raspberry pi
[17:33] <Rukus> maybe it fried on you :(
[17:33] <axion> I know. I have several. ust bought the 3 though
[17:33] <axion> Just*
[17:33] <Rukus> the three is amazing
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[17:33] <axion> I wouldn't know :)
[17:34] <Rukus> I have mine overclocked and running osmc. plays h265 videos
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[17:34] <axion> So canakit sent me 2 bad devices in the kit...
[17:34] <axion> Great
[17:34] <Rukus> try vilros
[17:34] <Rukus> they sold me my only UK built board
[17:34] <Rukus> my others a PRC
[17:34] <Rukus> are*
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[17:35] <axion> My question still stands
[17:35] <Rukus> my PRC boards came from canakit
[17:35] <Rukus> anyways
[17:35] <axion> Is the rainbow screen displayed before the cards contents are read? Sould I see it even if the card is bad or not?
[17:35] <Rukus> I am not sure
[17:35] <Rukus> i'll go look and see what happens when i boot withouit sdcard
[17:36] <Rukus> i think it wont show a thing tho
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[17:37] <Rukus> n/m i dont feel like fucking mine up too
[17:37] <Rukus> oops -swear
[17:37] <Rukus> sorry
[17:38] <axion> Oh well. Guess I'll go back to coding for the day and take the loss
[17:38] <axion> Thanks!
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[17:39] <Rukus> meh, you'll figure it out. and there are more knowledgeable people than me, i just wanted to help if i could
[17:39] <mfa298> I think the rainbow splash screen is after something is loaded from the SD card, but that doesn't necessarily mean the card is good
[17:39] <Habbie> Rukus, h265? so CPU rendered?
[17:39] <Rukus> mfa298: I think you're right
[17:39] <Rukus> Habbie: yeah
[17:39] <Habbie> mfa298, this is also what i recall
[17:39] <Habbie> Rukus, nice
[17:39] <Habbie> Rukus, pi3, not pi2, i presume then
[17:40] <Rukus> Habbie: it doesnt play all videos tho.... I havnt been able to discern the difference of why
[17:40] <Rukus> pi3
[17:40] <Habbie> Rukus, some just refuse?
[17:40] <Rukus> Habbie: when I play something like Big Bang Theory (not much is going on in the screen) it plays fine
[17:40] <Rukus> Habbie: but if its an action movie, it struggles with high action scenes sometimes
[17:41] <Habbie> Rukus, ah ok
[17:41] <Habbie> Rukus, well that makes some sense then
[17:41] <Rukus> Habbie: I am sure i could squeeze more out of it, but I have been seeing artifacts in osmc lately. I probably could and should clock my gpu lower. might be the issue
[17:41] <Habbie> hehe
[17:41] <Habbie> 'perhaps'
[17:41] <Rukus> it never gets above 65C tho
[17:42] <Rukus> i dont really need my gpu clocked higher most likely
[17:42] <Habbie> well gpu clocking won't help for 265 anyway, right?
[17:42] <Rukus> I dont think so
[17:42] <Rukus> it would help for things like games... etc..
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[17:42] <Habbie> sure
[17:42] <Habbie> and 264
[17:42] <Rukus> i only have it as 500 tho, so i dunno
[17:42] <Rukus> stock is ... 450?
[17:42] <Habbie> i have no idea
[17:42] <Rukus> yeah
[17:43] <Rukus> the cpu is at 1360
[17:43] <Habbie> degrees C?! ;)
[17:43] <Rukus> mhz ;D
[17:43] <Habbie> :)
[17:43] <Rukus> :)
[17:43] <Habbie> millihertz
[17:44] <IT_Sean> Habbie: at 1960c, the CPU die melts through the board, through the table the board is on, then through te floor the table is on.
[17:44] <Rukus> osmc@osmc-kodi:~$ /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[17:44] <IT_Sean> *1360
[17:44] <Rukus> temp=39.7'C
[17:44] <Habbie> IT_Sean, i bet that's not the worst of it even
[17:44] <IT_Sean> Not even close.
[17:44] <Habbie> xkcd whatif has some great inspiration on this
[17:44] <IT_Sean> It also ignites the atmosphere in the room
[17:44] <Rukus> lol
[17:44] <Habbie> which, in whatif style, probably still isn't the worst part
[17:45] <IT_Sean> Nope
[17:45] <Rukus> i wonder if the artifacts are from overlocking the ram and not the gpu
[17:45] <IT_Sean> That's all in the first 13 milliseconds
[17:45] <Habbie> Rukus, oh that could be
[17:45] <Habbie> IT_Sean, :D
[17:45] <Rukus> sdram_freq=588
[17:45] <IT_Sean> The end result would be your neighborhood being reduced to a pile of slag.
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[17:47] <Rukus> Habbie: mhz is megahertz (Mhz) ;P
[17:47] <shauno> (MHz)
[17:47] <Rukus> yup
[17:48] <Rukus> thats actually correct, i keep typing it wrong
[17:48] <Habbie> :)
[17:48] <Rukus> :)
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[17:49] <Rukus> so whats a good sdcard read / write?
[17:50] <Rukus> i benchmarked mine at 40MB/sec / 35MB/sec
[17:50] <axion> Ok, pi works with raspbian image hmm
[17:51] <Rukus> something wrong with your copy of files?
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[17:51] <axion> I don't care anyway. I don't even want NOOBs.
[17:52] <Rukus> How can you dual boot without using noobs?
[17:52] <axion> I want to install alarm as that's what I've been using for the last 16 years :)
[17:52] <Rukus> I've never tried and not sure how
[17:52] <Rukus> alarm?
[17:52] <axion> archlinux arm
[17:52] <Rukus> oh lol
[17:52] <Habbie> Rukus, i hear there's berryboot for that
[17:53] <Habbie> Rukus, i don't even think noobs qualifies as dual boot?
[17:53] <Rukus> you're much more advanced than me tbh
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[17:53] <Rukus> Habbie: well, you can install many OS's alongside using noobs. it gives you a selection screen at boot
[17:53] <Habbie> oh
[17:53] <Habbie> i thought any choice would overwrite the previous install
[17:53] <Habbie> but i haven't tried NOOBS in years
[17:53] <Rukus> well, you choose at first boot what you want to install
[17:54] <Rukus> then it gives you the option of choosing what you wish to boot into, or you can edit noobs at anytime by holding shift at boot
[17:54] <Rukus> then that might overwrite whats youve installed
[17:54] <Rukus> ugh i cant type
[17:54] <Habbie> ah
[17:54] <Habbie> not bad
[17:54] <Habbie> bbl
[17:54] <Rukus> ok ttyl
[17:54] <axion> Yeah NOOBs would be cool if it kept NOOBs installed and had like a 3 second bootloader which chooses an OS if one exists
[17:55] <Rukus> doesnt it?
[17:55] <axion> It's kind of pointless otherwise except to have preloaded for new hardware
[17:55] <axion> No :)
[17:55] <Rukus> wait, then what have i been doing?
[17:55] <axion> after you pick something you have to reflash noobs
[17:55] <Rukus> are you sure?
[17:55] <Habbie> axion, that's not how i recall it
[17:55] <Habbie> i recall it always replaces your OS
[17:55] <Rukus> mine have always kept noobs
[17:55] <axion> The guide even mentions this
[17:55] <Habbie> but is still available on startup
[17:55] <Rukus> you can load noobs at anytime by holdinhg shift at boot
[17:55] <Habbie> Rukus, right
[17:56] <Rukus> it actually tells you this
[17:56] <axion> Oh nice to know. Guide is wrong then
[17:56] <Habbie> axion, url?
[17:56] <Rukus> no problem. things change!
[17:56] <axion> sec
[17:56] <Habbie> Rukus, well i recall the shift from years ago
[17:56] <Rukus> yeah
[17:57] <axion> I hvent used a pi since 5 years ago, apart from today, so I'm out of the loop.
[17:57] <Rukus> but if you hold shift to edit noobs, i dont think it plays nice with keeping your existing installs, i think it wants to redo everything
[17:57] <Rukus> i cant remember
[17:57] <Habbie> Rukus, that's what i recall
[17:57] <Rukus> i accidentally used my sdcard that had a noobs install, and formatted it
[17:57] <Rukus> oops
[17:57] <Rukus> i went to boot my bedroom pi and was like.... wtf.... oohhh.... haha
[17:58] <Rukus> i only use my pi for media
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[17:58] <Rukus> i oncde wrote a program and turned an led on and off. thats about it
[17:58] <Rukus> made it flash ;P
[17:58] <kerio> echo timer > /sys/class/leds/led0/trigger
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[18:00] <axion> Why doesnt NOOBs have a raw disk image install? So much can go wrong by installing at the fs level
[18:01] <Habbie> axion, how could a simple drag&drop go wrong?
[18:01] <Habbie> ok actually bbl
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[18:02] <gordonDrogon> axion, noobs is designed to be easy to get into the SD card from e.g. MS windows in the first instance.
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> so a simple copy rather than dd, etc.
[18:02] <axion> Habbie: It leaves a "noob" to format the filesystem and test that the blocks are writable. Not good
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> most 'blank' SD cards are shipped already formatted in an appropriate way.
[18:03] <axion> Maybe that is why NOOBs is not working for me
[18:03] <kerio> in fact, a vfat partition is part of the sd card specifications
[18:04] <kerio> so they'd be out of spec if they shipped without one
[18:04] <axion> kerio: actually must be exfat for sdxc. rpi does not conform to this spec
[18:04] <kerio> isn't it only for high capacity
[18:04] <kerio> like over 32gb
[18:04] <axion> Yes, which is sdxc
[18:05] <Rukus> axion I've had to install an sdcard into my phone to format it. no other proper means of formatting would do. but i also have laptop from 2008
[18:05] <Rukus> could have a bad sdcard reader dunno
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[18:05] <kerio> oh, sdhc and sdxc are just a matter of capacity?
[18:06] <kerio> i mean, and whatever ends up being required to support said capacity
[18:06] <axion> kerio: yes.
[18:08] <Rukus> [ 0.977644] mmc0: overclocking to 100000000Hz <---- yay to this
[18:09] <axion> gordonDrogon: In what special way are sd cards formatted when they are shipped?
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[18:09] <gordonDrogon> I don't think it's special.
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[18:09] <axion> what did yu mean by that statement?
[18:10] <Rukus> I'm curious too
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> formatting an SD card with a single vfat partition isn't special, it's normal.
[18:10] <Rukus> and appropriate?
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> I guess so.
[18:10] <axion> Both of my cards were shipped with 16M of unallocated space at the head of the disk, and the rest as exfat
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> all the SD cards I've bought recently have already had noobs on - which I've overwritten with a raspbian-lite image.
[18:13] <Rukus> axion: would trying a different blocksize at format matter?
[18:13] <plugwash> AIUI per the standards SDHC cards are shipped formatted as fat32, SDXC cards are shipped formatted as exfat.
[18:13] <plugwash> So if you want to copy noobs to an XC card and have it work you will need to reformat the card first
[18:13] <axion> No. That only controls how space efficient storage will be and is dependent on what will be stored. For an OS, you have mostly many small files, so the default is fine.
[18:14] <Rukus> axion: oh okay thank you for answering
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[18:15] <axion> plugwash: This is what I did. I formatted as fat32 and cpied the noobs files. On 2 different cards. No boot. a raw disk image like raspbian boots fine on the same cards.
[18:15] <Rukus> can you dd if=(your noob files of=image file, then dd that to your sdcard?
[18:16] <axion> no. dd is for low level writing
[18:16] <Rukus> but write your noobs files to an image
[18:16] <Rukus> then write that image to your sdcard
[18:16] <Rukus> my syntax was terrible
[18:17] <axion> how would you write the noobs files to an image if you want the image to contain low level data such as the mbr and filesystem?
[18:17] <Rukus> axion: I dont know :(
[18:17] <Rukus> i just thought it wasa possible solution
[18:17] <kerio> Rukus: noobs only deals with the vfat partition
[18:18] <leftyfb> if you know how to use dd, why are you bothering with noobs?
[18:18] <Rukus> i'm only curious, i really dont know
[18:18] <leftyfb> you can image raspbian, but you want to put noobs on it just so you can install raspbian again?
[18:18] <axion> Giving a family member the ability to shift boot
[18:19] <leftyfb> multiple sd cards
[18:19] <Rukus> i like to think outside the box, but i am not necessarily doing the right thinking ;P
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[19:19] <Limix> Anyone running clojure on RPi 3?
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[19:29] <axion> Nah Common Lisp here
[19:30] <Broly> THUPER!
[19:30] * gordonDrogon sticks with BASIC.
[19:31] * Broly sticks with C
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[19:44] <Limix> Anyone running the JVM on rpi 3?
[19:44] <Limix> is it a bad idea?
[19:44] <talmai> as in java? why would it be a bad idea?
[19:45] <Broly> cuz it's java
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[19:45] <talmai> we leverage #docker for it, just to simplify things overall.
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[19:46] <Broly> read the google summary blurb when i searched that term and saw "cloud
[19:46] <talmai> there's no such thing. leverage the tools that help you, doesn't matter if it isn't hyped up. . .
[19:47] <axion> The JVM does not imply Java
[19:47] <talmai> true
[19:47] <axion> Could be Clojure, Scala, or a load of other languages
[19:47] <talmai> but his follow-up response does.. but true!
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[19:48] <Habbie> Limix, i'm sure people do
[19:48] <Habbie> Limix, if it's a bad idea probably depends on the app you run inside it
[19:48] <Broly> JVM compiles java into byte code, no?
[19:49] <Habbie> no
[19:49] <Habbie> JVM runs java byte code
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[19:49] <axion> java compiles java into jvm byte code
[19:49] <Broly> https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Java-Virtual-Machine-written-in-C
[19:50] <Limix> Broly, yes looing to run clojure. So it is more a question of does the jvm run well on the rpi 3. I would prefer to work in clojure on this upcoming projects, but if others have had trouble, I will avoid it
[19:50] <Broly> "The Sun JVM is written in C, although this need not be the case - the JVM as it runs on your machine is a platform-dependent executable and hence could have been originally written in any language. For example, the original IBM JVM was written in Smalltalk"
[19:50] <Broly> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1220914/in-which-language-are-the-java-compiler-and-jvm-written
[19:50] <Broly> why do you loser high-abstraction brogrammer kids act so hard/
[19:50] <Broly> why not learn a real language and tap the innards of your machine
[19:50] <Broly> loser kids been high on the drugs flowing through the valley, that's why
[19:50] <Broly> it's all about "THE CLOUD" and "WEB!!"
[19:51] * Broly slaps the lot of you
[19:51] <Limix> Broly, was that for me?
[19:51] <Broly> no
[19:51] <Broly> you were just asking a question. not you
[19:51] <leftyfb> Broly: lose the offensive attitude. That's not what this place is about
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[19:52] <Broly> nor is it about wimpy flavour of the hour languages that make lackey work easy
[19:52] <Broly> they could have googled it before sounding foolish
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[19:52] <Broly> we're talking about Bell Labs here
[19:53] <Broly> the legendary Bell Labs
[19:53] <brainzap> can you stop talking
[19:53] <talmai> +1
[19:53] <Broly> how about you give it the respect it deserves
[19:53] <leftyfb> Broly: it's about education. Get down off the high horse. You're not all that amazing
[19:53] <Broly> i haven't even really shown you what i've done, because i don't need to. that's not why i use irc
[19:53] <axion> We can see why you use IRC
[19:53] <mfa298> Limix: there's no reason you can't use things using the JVM on a Pi. I've run a few Java apps on the Pi and I'm sure many others have
[19:54] <Broly> brainzap how much of my country's money are you stashing away, hm?
[19:54] <Limix> Thanks mfa298
[19:54] <Broly> i know BAB loves you. i know y'all love BAB
[19:54] <leftyfb> at this point, it doesn't matter hat you've done. You've already lost the respect with your toxic attitude towards those that you deem less than you in some way
[19:54] <Broly> if i sought respect in this channel i would have conducted myself differently, don't you think? the foolish refutation of the JVM being written in C told me no one wants to search before they speak
[19:55] <Broly> at least i am thorough, whatever you may think of me
[19:55] <Broly> and i own up to my mistakes, unlike brogrammer kids who just told me to stop talking when i made them look dumb
[19:55] <leftyfb> you are welcome to leave anytime you like
[19:55] <leftyfb> It's easy. Just type /part and don't look back us all of us "brogrammer kids"
[19:56] <Broly> ez moses
[19:56] <axion> /ignore works great, too.
[19:56] <leftyfb> axion: not as well as you think
[19:56] <Limix> What’s a brogrammer? Am I a brogrammer?
[19:56] <Broly> no
[19:57] <Broly> none of my vitriol was directed towards you limix
[19:57] <Broly> you should keep asking questions
[19:57] <axion> with the proper mask, it hasn't bothered me
[19:57] <kerio> should i draw a "π" on my pi zero case
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[19:57] <leftyfb> Limix: you should feel honored that Broly has now deemed you worthy to utilize this chat
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[19:57] <Broly> brainzap what are you gonna do when we take our stash back? huh? BAB's so cool eh
[19:57] <Limix> Broly, I’m happy I’m on your good side. You are like an evil dragon that has taken me under his wing
[19:58] <brainzap> ok bye
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[19:58] <leftyfb> Broly: this isn't the place to advertise your ignorance and hate for others not like yourself
[19:58] <Broly> lol
[19:58] <Broly> what's the name of george soros' paid protestor group? because leftyfb seems to have gotten a fresh memo
[19:58] <Habbie> Broly, can you please behave yourself?
[19:58] <Limix> Brogrammers! Leave Broly alone
[19:59] <kerio> what do i even run on my pi
[19:59] <Broly> how am i not behaving? it's insulting when someone says the JVM isn't written in C
[19:59] <Limix> he is right and you are wrong. period
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[19:59] <Broly> give Bell Labs its fucking props. it's the reason we are this far
[19:59] <Broly> fucking no respect
[19:59] <Broly> ZERO
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[19:59] * Habbie sets mode +b *!ylorb@gave-jessica-and-ashlee-simpson-my.stickynapalm.com
[19:59] * Broly was kicked from #raspberrypi by Habbie
[19:59] * Habbie sets mode -o Habbie
[19:59] * kerio claps
[19:59] <leftyfb> thank you Habbie .... that went on way too long
[19:59] <Limix> hahaha
[19:59] <Limix> thank you
[19:59] <Habbie> leftyfb, it's a tough balance
[19:59] <Habbie> leftyfb, i tried negotiating in query but there was no response
[20:00] <axion> That banmask is easily avoidable though
[20:00] <mfa298> I think he's been warned about language quite a few tiems in the past by various people
[20:00] <leftyfb> Habbie: i've been doing this for a long time, you learn the signs real quick
[20:00] <Habbie> leftyfb, yes, but in this channel doing it too quick leads to a -lot- of discussion
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[20:00] <leftyfb> sorry, learn to spot the signs real quick
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[20:00] <Habbie> leftyfb, on channel discussion
[20:00] <leftyfb> true
[20:00] <mfa298> but he usually seems to be on when ops are sleeping
[20:00] <kerio> it doesn't even have to be a tempban anyway
[20:00] <kerio> er, a permaban
[20:01] <Habbie> mfa298, oh, that's possible, we don't nearly cover the full timezone scope
[20:01] <kerio> is the musb port on a pi zero strong enough to dangle the thing from a musb cable?
[20:02] <Habbie> kerio, i would happily bet on it
[20:02] <mgottschlag> certainly, as long as you don't try to get it through any kind of certification process
[20:02] <leftyfb> kerio: I would try to prevent it if you can
[20:02] <mgottschlag> I would prevent it because it's ugly and "not how you do it", but that's it
[20:02] <leftyfb> also, why take the chance?
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[20:03] <Gadgetoid> Arr
[20:04] <mfa298> kerio: I doubt it's designed to take much stress but might manage it. although depending on where you're using it like that I might add some extra safety (string between the cable and through a mounting hole to not lose the pi if the usb came off)
[20:04] <kerio> mfa298: oh good idea
[20:05] <kerio> do you guys have a recommendation for a distro that's less poettery than debian jessie
[20:05] <kerio> sadly freebsd is not an option, the wifi is not supported yet
[20:05] <leftyfb> poettery?
[20:05] <Habbie> kerio, i don't have recommendations, but i see happy arch users
[20:05] <Limix> I’m trying to play audio via the 3.5mm jack on RPi 3, but the sound is a bit hissy and dirty. Are there particular libs I should be using for audio?
[20:06] <kerio> Limix: you should be using digital audio out :^)
[20:06] <Limix> sorry kerio, the hmi port?
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[20:07] <kerio> yep
[20:07] <kerio> (if feasible, of course)
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[20:07] <mfa298> analogue audio on the Pi is known to be not that great, audio through the hdmi port or an addon DAC (USB or HAT) will likely be much better
[20:08] <Limix> kerio, I am trying to play audio from node, not sure what that would require
[20:08] <kerio> Limix: the javascript thingy?
[20:08] <Limix> yes
[20:08] <kerio> i believe you can just use the default alsa output
[20:08] <kerio> if a tv is connected
[20:08] <tesuji> basic question, I got a touchscreen here and a pi3. I want to connect the ribbon cable, but I don't seem to be able to find out how to fix it in place, it keeps slipping out
[20:09] <kerio> tesuji: lift the black thingy up a bit, shove the ribbon cable in, push the black thingy down
[20:09] <axion> kerio: I second Habbie's suggestion of Arch. Been using it since it came out more than 15 years ago
[20:09] <tesuji> kerio: oh lift! thanks, I only tried pushing and pulling
[20:10] <Limix> thanks kerio
[20:10] <kerio> Limix: on raspbian there's also a setting in raspi-config
[20:10] <kerio> to always use hdmi audio output
[20:10] <Limix> ok cool, will check it out
[20:10] <kerio> obviously if you need to connect some speakers hdmi is not going to be very useful
[20:10] <kerio> unless you have like
[20:10] <kerio> a high end home theatre receiver box
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[20:16] <axion> Well, the previous sdcard issues were the result of a bad batch according to my talks with CanaKit. They are sending me 2 more for free.
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[20:16] <kerio> ;o
[20:16] * [Saint] notes the the PIXEL UI will screw with forcing audio in the worst of ways and makes it largely impossible to output over both HDMI and composite
[20:17] <kerio> a bad batch of what
[20:17] <axion> sdcards/adapters in their kit apparently
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[20:17] <[Saint]> It's actually really annoying, there's no "both" in the Pixel UI for audio.
[20:17] <axion> I got ALARM running on a spare card for now. New pi is idling at 50.5C, nice.
[20:17] <[Saint]> Just HDMI /or/ composite.
[20:18] <[Saint]> axion: it really doesn't matter unless you're regularly hitting 85C+, and that's a very large spread from 50C.
[20:18] <[Saint]> At this scale you're talking imperceptible amounts of efficiency.
[20:19] <[Saint]> Literally single milliwats.
[20:20] * axion nods. I only use my pi as a dev testbed. I literally only ssh into emacs or vim, so it's not like I'm stressing the gpu core or even cpu much at all. I would guess turbomode is disabled 99% of the time.
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[20:21] <CoJaBo> axion: Probably got counterfeit cards :/
[20:21] <[Saint]> Well...it /was/ Cannakit.
[20:21] <[Saint]> So, probably.
[20:21] <CoJaBo> I've heard they even show up in walmarts sometimes
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[20:34] <Gadgetoid> Anyone got a Pi 3 running 4.4.50-v7+ they could dump me a config.txt from, pretty please? :D
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[20:37] <TheSilentLink> Can you overclock the pi zero?
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[20:37] <kerio> TheSilentLink: i believe it's already as high as it'll go
[20:37] <oq> TheSilentLink: it comes overclocked
[20:38] <TheSilentLink> Ah right thanks
[20:38] <Gadgetoid> Yeah but you'll need this: http://www.frostytech.com/ArticleImages/200803/scytheorochi.jpg
[20:38] <TheSilentLink> Also is it safe to use the turbo overclock mode on the pi3 without a heat sink or fan?
[20:39] <oq> on the pi0 the ram is sandwiched ontop of the soc... so a heatsink won't do much
[20:39] <CoJaBo> Gadgetoid: y.tho
[20:39] <TheSilentLink> Gadgetoid: a bit over the top right? Lol
[20:39] <Gadgetoid> That's a zcat /proc/config.gz > ~/config.txt
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[20:40] <TheSilentLink> Cause some people say it is safe with out a fan / heatsink but others don't
[20:41] <Gadgetoid> Or know if the running kernel config differs between 4.4.50 and 4.4.50-v7+, I an never seem to find a config
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[20:44] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-4.9.y/arch/arm/configs/bcmrpi_defconfig for v6 and https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-4.9.y/arch/arm/configs/bcm2709_defconfig for v7
[20:44] <ali1234> you just need to find the branch your kernel was built from
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[20:44] <ali1234> eg https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-4.4.y/arch/arm/configs/bcm2709_defconfig
[20:44] <Gadgetoid> Yeah I thought it might be those, but why the heck don't they work
[20:44] <Gadgetoid> If I drop 'em in place and "make oldconfig" it restarts
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[20:45] <Gadgetoid> Actually mine's weirdly truncated, what the...
[20:45] <ali1234> you're meant to just do eg "make bcm2709_defconfig"
[20:45] <ali1234> and it uses the one from your tree
[20:46] <Gadgetoid> I think I might have been missing "ARCH=arm"
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[20:46] <ali1234> yeah that will do it
[20:46] <ali1234> if cross compiling
[20:46] <ali1234> i have a tool to build custom kernels btw
[20:46] <Gadgetoid> Oh wait, totally forgot I was cross compiling ugh
[20:46] <ali1234> part of my ramdisk stuff
[20:46] <Gadgetoid> I'm so used to building directly on a Pi these days
[20:47] <ali1234> yeah if you try to use a ARM config while it thinks you want a x86 kernel, its going to ask you lots of questions
[20:47] <Gadgetoid> This is just for a single module, this stupid DFRobot display I dived into maintaining - I need to look into DKMS
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[20:47] <ali1234> oh that one... well, that's outside my area of knowledge unfortunately
[20:47] <Gadgetoid> Yeah I think my own stupidity has painted me into a corner here
[20:47] <Gadgetoid> I was attempting to set up a new build env but totally neglected to grok that I was cross compiling
[20:48] <ali1234> i didn't upload my kernel builder but basically it is this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24236718/
[20:49] <ali1234> which is really just a condensed version of the foundation guide
[20:49] <Gadgetoid> Oooh, nice
[20:49] <ali1234> oh and that compiler URL is probably wrong
[20:49] <ali1234> or not, since this particular script doesn't try to dl it
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[20:50] <ali1234> anyway i must go cook my dinner :)
[20:50] <ali1234> did you tell everyone they can buy the zero stem now?
[20:50] <Gadgetoid> Aye aye, ttfn! Good to have you in today, was a blast!
[20:50] <Gadgetoid> Yeah that's a good point, obligatory IRC spam time :D
[20:50] <ali1234> yeah, it was fun, thanks for having me :)
[20:50] <ali1234> BurtyB: ^
[20:51] <lopta> What's a "zero stem"?
[20:51] <ali1234> techguy: ^
[20:51] <Gadgetoid> @lopta, ali1234 dropped by today with a box full of these: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/zero-stem-usb-otg-connector
[20:52] <Gadgetoid> Also I noticed the URL is "technically incorrect"
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[20:53] <oq> Gadgetoid: does it stack with pibow?
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[20:53] <alesan> hello
[20:53] <alesan> is there a way to slow down the raspbverry pi to a crawl
[20:53] <Gadgetoid> oq, haven't tried stuffing one in a Pibow yet, it would certainly require modifications :D
[20:53] <alesan> I would use this for an experiment
[20:54] <Gadgetoid> install Windows? :D you mean load it heavily with a task?
[20:54] <leftyfb> UGH!!!!
[20:54] <leftyfb> I'm $2 short in my bank to order 2 of them
[20:54] <alesan> for example, if running a long compilatoin process with all four cores, the raspberry pi slowed down for the heat I believe
[20:54] <lopta> Well that thing rocks!
[20:54] <alesan> I would like to trigger this condition
[20:54] <Gadgetoid> Uh leftyfb shouldn't you prioritise food? :D
[20:54] <leftyfb> I get paid tomorrow
[20:54] <Gadgetoid> Ahhh!
[20:54] <Chillum> people scoff at heat sinks and fans on the rpis, but if you rock your cores at 100% it does help
[20:54] <leftyfb> but I'm impatient :)
[20:55] <Gadgetoid> Yeah I know the feeling
[20:55] <Gadgetoid> I soldered mine live on air cos I wanted one on a Zero W immediately :D
[20:55] <Gadgetoid> And then went and touched up the soldering cos I thought I flunked it, but apparently I just can't spell "modules_load"
[20:55] <Chillum> you can catch food outside, it is much harder to catch a pi zero W in the wild
[20:55] <oq> on air?
[20:56] <Chillum> with an audience I assume
[20:56] <Gadgetoid> oq, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4ItMxj47nU
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[20:56] <leftyfb> Gadgetoid: ok, just ordered 1
[20:57] <Gadgetoid> Aye we mess about on YouTube weekly because a) it's fun and b) some people are insane enough to watch us
[20:57] <Gadgetoid> Probably other reasons too, but I can't remember
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[20:57] <Gadgetoid> Oh and stream it live because it means we can't do any editing and obsess about things
[20:58] <jamesaxl> helo
[20:59] <Gadgetoid> helo
[21:00] <jamesaxl> I connect a steper motor 5 V and ultra sonic tool, with Raspberry , after the execute of my script I saw that the stepper motot rotated slowly
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[21:00] <leftyfb> Gadgetoid: you work for pimoroni?
[21:01] <Gadgetoid> leftyfb, ja!
[21:01] <leftyfb> Gadgetoid: we've been ordering a bunch of stuff from you guys lately. Well, some direct, most from Adafruit though. All your products though.
[21:01] <Gadgetoid> Yaaaaaaay :D
[21:01] <Gadgetoid> Who's "we"?
[21:02] <leftyfb> couple of us at a makerspace
[21:02] <Gadgetoid> Ooh you should group buy and sign up here: https://wholesale.pimoroni.com/
[21:02] <Gadgetoid> If you can chock up £100 over time (difficult for stuff you need *RIGHT NOW* but possible) it'll save you some cash
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[21:04] <oq> Gadgetoid: you say in the video you use a pi0 via otg with your laptop to develop and test stuff, but is there a reason to use a pi over just a vm in your laptop?
[21:04] <leftyfb> we'll definitely look into it. We are working on setting up one of our vending machines to tie into our member system so they can use $money to buy things using their rfid card. We've been talking about things to stock it with
[21:04] <Gadgetoid> oq, quite often I'm working with real hardware, so I need to *know* it actually works
[21:04] <oq> oh ok
[21:04] <Gadgetoid> oq, I've done a lot of stuff to mock up physical devices, but it's never quite a true representation, so I don't do much fully automated testing yet
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[21:05] <Gadgetoid> Also I hate cross compiling, as demonstrated by the fact I just tried to compile a Pi kernel module with native GCC in a Virtualbox :D
[21:05] <leftyfb> also, actual blinky lights are way cooler than virtual blinky lights :)
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[21:06] <leftyfb> Gadgetoid: we're in the U.S., it might not be cost effective for us unless we're making pretty large orders
[21:07] <Gadgetoid> ARGH cross compiling sucks
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[21:08] <Gadgetoid> *facepalm*
[21:08] <IT_Sean> maor blinkenlites!
[21:09] <Gadgetoid> 3 guesses for why I just failed to use the Pi cross compile tools...
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[21:10] <oq> Gadgetoid: typo?
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[21:11] <TheSilentLink> Is the turbo mode safe to use without a fan or heatsink?
[21:11] <Gadgetoid> oq, noope :D
[21:12] <oq> TheSilentLink: a fan/heatsink doesn't really factor into it
[21:12] <oq> some people claim they make a difference
[21:12] <TheSilentLink> oq: well I don't want it getting too hot that is damages it!
[21:12] <oq> some of the heatsinks sold for pis do more harm than good
[21:13] <oq> TheSilentLink: the pis will throttle themselves way before any damage occurs
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[21:13] <axion> I overclocked my pi. Ran some quick code to generate a billion primes. SoC is at 74C after half hour and not increasing. Is that bad?
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[21:13] <TheSilentLink> So it is safe?
[21:13] <IT_Sean> TheSilentLink: yes
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[21:14] <oq> you might get some instability depending on the silicon lottery
[21:14] <TheSilentLink> Thanks just want extra performance in retropie
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[21:15] <Gadgetoid> I was trying to run 32bit binaries on an 64bit-only system
[21:15] <TheSilentLink> N64 games can be hard to run at full speed!
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[21:16] <oq> TheSilentLink: you might be asking too much of a pi with n64 emulation
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[21:17] <TheSilentLink> Well games run fine just not all 100% all the time
[21:17] <TheSilentLink> I get an error when going to the overclock option in raspi-config it says there was an error running option 6 overclock
[21:18] <Gadgetoid> Welp I have a kernel module now, it might not make your Pi catch fire :D
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[21:20] <Gadgetoid> Congrats ali1234 Zero Stem is the third best selling thing today :D
[21:20] <TheSilentLink> Anyone know why?
[21:20] <Gadgetoid> Isn't overclock simply not available on Pi 3?
[21:21] <TheSilentLink> Gadgetoid: oh really you can't overclock it?
[21:21] <axion> umm what?
[21:22] <Gadgetoid> TheSilentLink, see: http://www.jackenhack.com/raspberry-pi-3-overclocking/
[21:23] <TheSilentLink> Gadgetoid: oh thanks It's cause there isn't official support I guess?
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[21:29] <axion> How hot is too hot for the pi under hours of cpu intensive stress?
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[21:30] <IT_Sean> If it hits 5000c and begins vaproizing the atmosphere, you've gone too far.
[21:30] <axion> At what point will it fail/freeze/explode into a giant fireball/etc
[21:30] <IT_Sean> axion: seriousily though, don't worry about it. It will throttle long before it damamges itself.
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[21:30] <axion> I overclocked it and it has been stable at 74C for close to an hour
[21:30] <axion> under high load
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[21:31] <axion> oops make that 75C. I guess temp changes are very nonlinear
[21:32] <Chillum> I took a tiny wifi dongle and removed the case and usb plug so it was just a tiny PCB
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[21:33] <Chillum> then I desoldered most things from one of my rpi2s, USB, ethernet, hdmi etc
[21:33] <Chillum> then I jb welded the wifi dongle in place where the usb port was
[21:33] <Chillum> then soldered it into the right holes
[21:33] <Chillum> now I have an rpi2 mini
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[21:34] <Chillum> or as I prefer to think of it a pi zero +
[21:34] <Chillum> W
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[21:45] <Gadgetoid> Ooh my reverse tunnel was alarmingly persistent :D
[21:46] <Gadgetoid> The S in IoT strikes again :D
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[21:50] <leftyfb> I love reverese ssh tunnels using autossh :)
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[21:51] <leftyfb> also sshuttle
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[21:52] <Gadgetoid> I have the worst setup ever right now :D
[21:52] <jamesaxl> the check of Echo on an ultasonic takes some second
[21:52] <jamesaxl> think I should do it in C instead of python
[21:52] <Gadgetoid> A crontab @reboot script that runs a reverse tunnel into a webserver
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[21:55] <leftyfb> Gadgetoid: autossh is easier
[21:55] <leftyfb> and persistent
[21:55] <Gadgetoid> Figured I'd try VNC too
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[21:56] <Gadgetoid> Should probably have done this *before* installing a whole bunch of updates that are basically going to necessitate a reboot
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[22:04] <GeekShadow> hello
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[22:04] <GeekShadow> does those images for all rpi models ? https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
[22:05] <GeekShadow> I'm looking for Rpi Zero W images
[22:05] <oq> yes
[22:05] <Gadgetoid> Argh Real VNC junk, you need an enterprise account to set it up headless =/
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[22:05] <Encrypt> Gadgetoid, SSH :]
[22:05] <teclo-> yeah
[22:05] <teclo-> ssh
[22:05] <teclo-> ssh -y
[22:06] <Encrypt> Command line for the win
[22:06] <Gadgetoid> Pffft
[22:06] <BurtyB> Gadgetoid, the new vnc makes me want to say things I can't say here :(
[22:06] <Encrypt> :]
[22:06] <Gadgetoid> All well and good if you don't want to reboot and have a desktop full of in-progress junk you might possibly want to review
[22:07] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: while i remember, here's the hackaday link for pirover: https://hackaday.io/project/10836-pirover
[22:08] <Gadgetoid> I think it's in the video already ali1234 :D
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[22:08] <ali1234> k, thanks :)
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[22:10] <kerio> does the pi require a sdhc?
[22:11] <t3chguy> ali1234: well done on getting your stems on Pimoroni's store
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[22:11] <skulltip> hi, i think my note 10.1 2014 tablet has bit the dust, yes i tried the opening the back and resetting the cable, but there is no thing that lifts up. It's all covered by tape, weird huh? anyway, is it possible to refurbish the screen to fit a raspberry pi, if so what do i need?
[22:12] <t3chguy> skulltip: a driver for that board that takes in HDMI
[22:13] <ali1234> thanks t3chguy
[22:13] <ali1234> i never expected it would happen just from sharing a random idea with irc :)
[22:13] <kerio> t3chguy: that's cheating tho
[22:16] <t3chguy> ali1234: its a great idea, shame the PCBs ain't purple, mine looks cooler than the production ones :P
[22:16] <Gadgetoid> OH man BurtyB what happened to VNC Viewer!
[22:17] <ali1234> kerio: the pi does not need sdhc, however you can't fit much on a 2GB card... some bare metal demos perhaps...
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[22:18] <ali1234> i believe sdxc works too... afaik the only difference is the commands you send, which are done in software anyway
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[22:18] <ali1234> and of course you can use SDIO devices like wifi cards as well
[22:19] <Gadgetoid> Woohoo, I'm in- used SSH to reverse tunnel port 5900 to a webserver and then again to my laptop, nothing like total insanity
[22:19] <ali1234> t3chguy: oshpark weren't cost effective on larger orders unfortunately. good for prototyping though
[22:21] <kerio> i'm having problems booting NARD from a 256mb microsd
[22:25] <ali1234> whats NARD?
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[22:27] <BurtyB> Gadgetoid, they threw the cloud at it and killed lots of kittens or something
[22:27] <Gadgetoid> BurtyB, useful though, just rebooted my Pi and it came right back up to a lovely useless GUI
[22:28] <ali1234> there have always been lots of forks on VNC
[22:28] <ali1234> can't remember which one is the "official" one, but it was never the best one as far as i can remember
[22:28] <Gadgetoid> Which is fortunate because my junk reverse tunnel script failed :D
[22:28] <Gadgetoid> Since @reboot doesn't stipulate @rebootbutafterthewifihasconnectedthanks
[22:28] <BurtyB> Gadgetoid, it did that in the old version too :(
[22:29] <Gadgetoid> So.. err yes... I just used a GUI to re-establish an SSH session to my Pi
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[22:30] <Gadgetoid> Should have used: until ping -c1 google.com &>/dev/null; do :; done
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[22:32] <BurtyB> ali1234, real vnc is the original, just a shame RPi doesn't advise using one of the less crazy versions
[22:33] <hmoney> burtyb: any chance you're decent at 3d print designs?
[22:33] <hmoney> that clusterhat .stl file i found online is a bit off on the holes lining up once printed :(
[22:34] <ali1234> i can use openscad
[22:34] <ali1234> but i have no idea how to design things so they print well
[22:34] <hmoney> yeah i wouldnt even know where to start to edit it
[22:34] <hmoney> not a designer brain here
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[22:35] <ali1234> openscad is a design tool for programmers. you define everything in code. a bit like povray, if you've ever used that
[22:35] * BurtyB is an openscad type too
[22:35] <hmoney> never heard of either :x
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[22:42] <Sleepnbum_> Will increasing the gpu_mem to > 128mb have any effect on raspistill performance?
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[22:42] <ali1234> Sleepnbum_: no, 128MB is plenty for stills
[22:43] <ali1234> if you want to just get frames faster, then consider getting a video stream instead
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[22:43] <Sleepnbum_> ali1234: thanks!
[22:44] <ali1234> i like gstreamer with gst-rpicamsrc
[22:44] <HrdwrBoB> uuugh
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[22:44] <ali1234> you can use appsink to get frames from it
[22:44] <HrdwrBoB> spent ages last night writing up the pinouts etc for my screen
[22:44] <HrdwrBoB> ... doesn't work :(
[22:46] <Sleepnbum_> I'll look into those, thank you
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[22:48] <HrdwrBoB> http://i.imgur.com/J9bHJQY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/pqjPcCN.jpg all that work... and it doesn't work for some reason. didn't get time to troubleshoot
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[22:51] <kerio> what's wrong with mounting the rootfs with "discard"?
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[23:00] <ali1234> kerio: it's an option for SSDs... it won't do anything at all on not-SSDs
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[23:00] <kerio> fstrim is definitely doing stuff on the microsd tho
[23:00] <ali1234> it's possible i suppose
[23:00] <ali1234> sd cards generally have much simpler controllers
[23:00] <ali1234> but i guess they still can do trim
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[23:50] * StCypher (~StCypher@2605:e000:935d:2700:69f9:dbcf:6db9:34b3) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
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[23:54] * ahrs (~quassel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ahrs) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:54] * patr0clus (~weechat@unaffiliated/patr0clus) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[23:55] * IT_Sean (~quassel@applefritter/IRCStaff) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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[23:57] * GreeningGalaxy (~ellie@2620:0:2250:101c:d088:1862:d4d:9a98) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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