#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2017-03-24

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[0:13] <Simonious> Anyone happen to be awake that has some experienc with nilfs?
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[0:15] * BurtyB *chuckles* .. not me
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[0:16] <Simonious> yeah, haven't had good luck
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[0:17] <Simonious> It doesn't appear to be behaving well on Raspbian, but I'm not even sure.
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[0:38] <GeekShadow> ok testing out my rpi zero w :)
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[0:40] <CoJaBo> GeekShadow: damnit, i want one of those
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[0:44] <GeekShadow> damn one pin of the usb female to microUSB male is messed up è_é
[0:46] * ShorTie Thinkz 'darn' fits the rules better
[0:46] <HrdwrBoB> gosh dang.
[0:47] <CoJaBo> Well, diddly.
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[0:55] <GeekShadow> ShorTie, sorry, ^^
[0:55] <GeekShadow> ok end of testing I can't bend the pin, and I don't have any other way of input :/
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[1:07] <GreeningGalaxy> uh
[1:07] <GreeningGalaxy> oh nevermind, I thought I somehow had the same nick on two sessions
[1:08] <GreeningGalaxy> I've just timed out on the other without noticing
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[1:28] <GeekShadow> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lcp053k50bfbm94/IMG_0368.JPG?dl=0
[1:28] <GeekShadow> :(
[1:28] <GeekShadow> I try to bent it back, but wasn't able to
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[1:29] <BurtyB> :(
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[1:29] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[1:29] <HrdwrBoB> it's fucked
[1:29] <HrdwrBoB> buy a new one
[1:29] <GeekShadow> it's the night and I don't have any other converter here, I'll look tomorrow now
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[1:30] <ali1234> from yesterday. these are nice: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/usb-to-microusb-otg-converter-shim
[1:31] <ali1234> GeekShadow: they can be a bit tough to remove though
[1:31] <ali1234> also available on amazon etc
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[1:34] <GeekShadow> ali1234, nice thanks
[1:35] <ali1234> i suggest doing a headless setup in the mean time
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[1:35] <ali1234> put an empty file called "ssh" and a filled out "wpa_supplicant.conf" on the boot partition
[1:35] <ali1234> then just ssh in
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[1:37] <ali1234> you could also try device mode https://gist.github.com/gbaman/975e2db164b3ca2b51ae11e45e8fd40a
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[1:55] <GeekShadow> ali1234, thanks again
[1:56] <GeekShadow> ali1234, I was wondering is it possible to both make a wifi hotspot on the rpi pi w and also connect to a regular wifi connection ?
[1:57] <ali1234> not at the same time
[1:57] <ali1234> not unless you add another wifi adapter to it
[1:57] <GeekShadow> ok that's fine I guess :)
[1:58] <ali1234> what you could also do is make it into a wifi hotspot and use USB device mode to connect it to a PC with g_ether
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[1:59] <GeekShadow> ok
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[3:39] <ball> Hello Janhouse!
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[4:00] <hmoney> sup all
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[4:05] <ball> Mornin' hmoney
[4:07] <hmoney> it's 10pm here :x
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[4:07] <hmoney> so i have a quick q regarding pihole and dns in general
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[4:09] <hmoney> if i were to use a pi zero W with wifi, i realize the query would be slower to hit the pi and come back to the computer, but once your computer has the dns cached for w/e website, it wont hit the pi again when you go to the website, correct?
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[4:10] <metawave> As far as I can tell that's correct. As for speed, I'm using pihole on my W with wifi and I haven't noticed anything loading slower than before
[4:10] <metawave> the pi is pretty close to my router, though.
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[4:10] <hmoney> slower than before with pihole on ethernet or with your router handling the dns queries?
[4:11] <metawave> the latter
[4:11] <hmoney> ah
[4:11] <hmoney> yeah i want to give some away as gifts/sell a few to neighbors with pihole on them
[4:11] <metawave> wow, you're a cool neighbor!
[4:11] <hmoney> i bought some ethernet to micro usb dongles to use with the zero 1.3 before the W came out and they came out great
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[4:12] <hmoney> haha nah - prob only giving away one to a neighbor, rest to family
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[4:21] <hmoney> https://www.amazon.com/Starise-Plated-Adapter-3-5mm-Audio/dp/B01EARQU2U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1490325582&sr=8-1&keywords=mini+hdmi+3.5mm
[4:21] <hmoney> ^ is that the cheapest solution to get audio out of a pi zero without a dac?
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[4:22] <ball> hmoney: One pin and a capacitor?
[4:22] <ball> (and perhaps a transistor)?
[4:23] <hmoney> i read about that ball but i cant imagine that sounding anywhere near decent
[4:23] <ball> Now you're moving the goalposts. You didn't specify /decent/ audio!
[4:23] <hmoney> im not going to use the pi for tons of music, but i dont think i need DAC quality either
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[4:23] <hmoney> tbh the dac in the US is like $40-$50
[4:23] <ball> hmoney: DAC doesn't imply quality
[4:24] <hmoney> specifically the phat dac (which people online suggest has great sound)
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[4:24] <ball> I doubt it, with a name like that.
[4:25] <hmoney> it's p hat dac -.-
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[4:25] <metawave> I'm tempted to buy that adapter just as a novelty
[4:25] <hmoney> same meta
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[4:27] <hmoney> it was suggested as an option for audio out on reddit and confirmed to actually work on the pi
[4:27] <metawave> it's pretty cool, and honestly useful to me for the vga port
[4:28] <metawave> if I ever wanted to plug my W into a display
[4:28] <hmoney> ye
[4:28] <hmoney> i've all but removed VGA from my vocab tho
[4:28] <HrdwrBoB> I bought a good quality dac for $20
[4:28] <hmoney> link me bobbo
[4:28] <HrdwrBoB> *audio dac
[4:28] <metawave> I have almost exclusively old tech other than pis :p
[4:28] <hmoney> @meta i'd die
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[4:30] <ball> VGA monitors are free, which is nice, but DVI-D or HDMI would be my preference.
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[4:30] <HrdwrBoB> yeah I haven't used anything vga for a long time
[4:30] <ball> My test rigs at the office have a VGA monitor
[4:30] <ball> (and no digital video outputs)
[4:32] <metawave> I'd love to get my hands on a working CRT
[4:32] <Sonny_Jim> You and the rest of the arcade cabinet owning population
[4:32] <metawave> I haven't seen one in so long
[4:33] <Sonny_Jim> Unforunately that ship sailed about a year ago, my brother ended up with a stockpile of about 10 he picked up from kerbside
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[4:34] <ball> metawave: People will pay you to take those away! ;-)
[4:34] <hmoney> hah that brings back memories of lugging around a giant 19 inch CRT
[4:34] <metawave> oh man, 90s lan parties
[4:34] <hmoney> i'd think you could make an awesome cabinet out of the ole DLP tvs
[4:34] <metawave> ball: I'll have to look on craigslist. That might be too good to be true
[4:34] * ball remembers how painful his final 32" CRT TV was.
[4:35] <hmoney> people who bought those really got hit hard by flat panels
[4:35] <metawave> That must have weighed 90lbs
[4:35] <ball> It weighed quite a bit.
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[4:37] * [Saint] tries to imagine how much his 4K 58" TV in the main lounge room would weigh if flatpanel displays weren't a thing.
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[4:37] <[Saint]> This one I can life (allbeit with some effort) on handed.
[4:38] <hmoney> 58 in? i thought most went 55 -> 60
[4:38] * hmoney has a 55in 4k and an nvidia shield and no content to watch in 4k
[4:38] <[Saint]> *one
[4:38] <[Saint]> And it's like, 4cm thick.
[4:39] <[Saint]> hmoney: this is an LG panel, LG makes quite a few weird display sizes.
[4:39] <hmoney> ah
[4:39] <hmoney> i got the cheapy vizio
[4:39] <[Saint]> If I'm being pedantic I think it's something weird like 57.2"
[4:40] <hmoney> they use lg screens tho
[4:40] <Sonny_Jim> There's only like 3 panel manufacturers in the world
[4:40] <[Saint]> This is some super uber backflip pro++ l337 4K UHD space cadet panel.
[4:40] <[Saint]> The in-laws got it for us.
[4:41] <hmoney> lol.. ex-in-laws got us a black friday special POS. I was glad that left with her :x
[4:41] <metawave> https://www.techwalla.com/articles/the-biggest-crt-televisions
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[4:42] <metawave> 61 inch CRTs by Mitsubishi
[4:43] <metawave> but there's no source
[4:43] <Sonny_Jim> I used to work with Sony DDM monitors. 32" and 1:1 aspect ratio ;)
[4:43] <Sonny_Jim> They were quite expensive
[4:43] <hmoney> compared to this: http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2014/11/how_big_is_the_dallas_cowboys_massive_screen_in_att_stadium.html
[4:44] <HrdwrBoB> aw man
[4:44] <HrdwrBoB> I remember bitd I had huge 'flatscreen' monitors
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[4:44] <HrdwrBoB> 2x19" monitors on my Matrox G400
[4:44] <HrdwrBoB> later upgraded to 21" sonys IIRC
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[7:47] <kerio> i mean, the port is already the wrong shape but
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[9:09] <Gadgetoid> Arr
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[9:38] <kubanc> hello. I have installed Ubuntu Mate, and everytime my PI restarts, the clock gets messed up? Raspberry PI is not connected to internet
[9:39] <kerio> the rpi doesn't have a hardware clock
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[9:41] <Rolfs> can this be used? http://www.dx.com/p/ds3231-raspberry-pi-rtc-board-real-time-clock-module-for-arduino-black-277258#.WNTboFeqbfs
[9:43] <kubanc> kerio, can I somehow call NTP of a local computer?
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[9:43] <kerio> i mean, sure
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[9:45] <axion> I wonder how my pi3 keeps the time between boots if I don't have an ntp client running
[9:45] <kerio> it doesn't
[9:45] <axion> It sure does
[9:46] <axion> I'm using alarm
[9:46] <ShorTie> fake hardware clock and ntp
[9:46] <kerio> i mean you can argue as much as you want against reality but
[9:46] <kerio> you don't get to overrule it
[9:46] <axion> Well I just install archlinux today, and I booted about 5 times and the clock is correct
[9:47] <kerio> then you either have some form of ntp or the clock is not actually correct
[9:47] <kerio> fakehwclock will save the time on shutdown and load it on boot
[9:48] <ShorTie> fake-hardware clock saves the current time at least hourly, and ntp updates it from there
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[9:48] <axion> Only faked and fakeroot installed in Arch by default
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[9:48] <axion> and ntpd or ntpdate is not installed, heh
[9:49] <kerio> then your pi3 is magical
[9:49] <axion> Or you just are not familiar with Arch :)
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[10:01] <kubanc> i get error: Failed to start LSB: Start NTP deamon
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[10:01] <axion> Hint: The answer is it uses systemd
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[10:05] <DarkJarris> doesnt everthing now? :P
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[10:06] <DarkJarris> at this point im just waiting for systemd to implement is own office suite :D
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[10:22] <kubanc> with NTP status I am getting: Failed to Start LSB: Start NTP daemon
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[10:37] <alexandre9099> hi, what is the best way to compress a video on a RPi 3? the source video is mpeg 2 from dvb-t recordings
[10:41] <alexandre9099> anyone?
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[10:52] <axion> define best
[10:53] <kerio> i wonder if the gpucore can decode mpeg2 and encode h264 at the same time
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[11:04] <alexandre9099> axion: lower size with same quality and low cpu usage
[11:04] <alexandre9099> for transcoding
[11:04] <axion> same quality is impossible. ech generation of lossy compression results in lower quality
[11:04] <axion> each*
[11:05] <alexandre9099> yea, i know, but i want almost the same quality
[11:05] <alexandre9099> i dont want something like a highly compressed jpeg :D
[11:06] <kerio> alexandre9099: is saving the mpeg2 and transcoding later not an option?
[11:06] <axion> Ok, that is different. Use ffmpeg with multi-pass and a good target bitrate depending on the content, or a quantizer factor of sufficient size
[11:06] <kerio> axion: raspberry pi yo
[11:06] <kerio> that ain't happening
[11:07] <axion> Sure it is, ust not realtime
[11:07] <kerio> oh wait it's dvbt *recordings*
[11:07] <kerio> yeah just ffmpeg it up
[11:08] <alexandre9099> the best would be to also work on TV streams, but if it is just on the recordings it helps with storage :)
[11:09] <kerio> for live stuff your only option is to purchase the mpeg2 license for mpeg2 hardware decoding
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[11:09] <kerio> and hope that the gpucore can decode mpeg2 and encode it as h264 in one go
[11:09] <axion> seriously though, mpeg-2 is more than 20 years old. hardware should stop supporting it altogether.
[11:10] <kerio> dvbt is mpeg2 tho
[11:10] <kerio> at least the standard def stuff
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[11:10] <kerio> can the gpucore decode and encode in one pass?
[11:10] <axion> such is the problem with antiquated standards
[11:11] <kerio> because that would be cool
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[11:11] * Gadgetoid_Pim installs gstreamer ..... 727mb!!!!???!
[11:12] <axion> welcome to debian - libraries dynamically linked to everything under the sun
[11:12] <axion> 16.98mb here
[11:13] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Apparently it requires automake, python34 and x11 =/
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[11:18] <Gadgetoid_Pim> vlc-nox ftw :D
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[11:30] <kerio> alexandre9099: apparently it's actually possible to do it live :o
[11:31] <kerio> 5W dvbt transcoding and recording
[11:31] <kerio> that's pretty crazy
[11:31] <alexandre9099> :D
[11:31] <alexandre9099> kerio: but maybe it requires a lot from the CPU without hardware decoding :/
[11:32] <kerio> which is why you use hardware decoding
[11:32] <kerio> ;o
[11:32] <kerio> spend the two extra monies
[11:32] <kerio> for the mpeg2 decoder license
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[11:55] <Ducky^> hi all, am I right thinking that omxplayer -n 1 should play only the left audio channel on a video?
[11:55] <Ducky^> or right?
[11:57] <axion> Neither
[11:57] <Ducky^> so what does audio stream index refer to?
[11:58] <axion> The audio stream embedded in the file container
[11:59] <axion> There could be, and usually are multiple audio streams. Some containing different languages. Some containing different channel counts or formats, etc.
[11:59] <axion> It all depends on who muxed the file and from which source
[12:00] <Ducky^> ohh.. yes
[12:00] <Ducky^> of course it is
[12:00] <Ducky^> thanks
[12:00] <kerio> can i just send the aac bitstream to my tv to let it do the decoding instead of the pi?
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[12:03] <Habbie> kerio, pretty sure you can
[12:04] <kerio> apparently aac over hdmi is not actually a thing ._.
[12:04] <Habbie> oh
[12:04] <kerio> ac3 is
[12:04] <kerio> and various other bad dolby codecs
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[12:21] <vlt> Hello. What is the recommended way to stream a USB webcam video in most realtime possible from a Raspberry Pi (raspbian) to another linux machine? (100 Mbit/s LAN)
[12:22] <shiftplusone> define 'most realtime'
[12:22] <kerio> also what sort of video?
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[12:26] <vlt> kerio: Hmmm, what sorts are there?
[12:26] <vlt> kerio: Do you mean resolution?
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[12:26] <kerio> resolution, framerate, pixel format
[12:26] <kerio> encoding, too
[12:26] <kerio> if your webcam doesn't give you an encoded bitstream, you're already out of luck on a raspi
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[12:27] <vlt> Ah, ok.
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[12:28] <vlt> So I can't use the pi's h264 hardware capabilities to *en*code the stream?
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[12:28] <kerio> the results will be somewhat poor if you're not using the actual pi camera
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[12:28] <kerio> especially in terms of latency
[12:29] <kerio> also, what kind of delay are you aiming for?
[12:30] <vlt> < 200 ms would be nice
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[12:32] <vlt> kerio: If I used something else on the encoding site (which would be OT for this channel), what setup could I use then? ffmepg? vlc?
[12:32] <kerio> the issue is that there's going to be a lot of cpu burned in just copying the video around
[12:32] <kerio> and you don't have the bandwidth to not encode the video i'm afraid
[12:36] <kerio> vlt: ffmpeg with x264 can be pretty fucking magic
[12:36] <kerio> as in *one frame* of delay between encoding and decoding
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[13:36] <password4> yo
[13:36] <password4> if i have rpi system set up on a 16gb flash
[13:36] <kerio> what is a "flash"
[13:36] <password4> and i want to move it to a 8gb sd card , what can i do?
[13:36] <password4> kerio: meant to type sd card
[13:37] <kerio> password4: was it actually expanded to 16gb?
[13:37] <password4> well microsd
[13:37] <kerio> do you have another linux system handy?
[13:37] <password4> it was
[13:37] <password4> and we tried to resize it back smaller using gparted , but it gave an error
[13:38] <kerio> what error?
[13:38] <password4> something about filesystem cant be made smaller than 16gb
[13:39] <kerio> from another system?
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[13:40] <Dan-NS27x> what about using the dd command? http://linoxide.com/linux-command/linux-dd-command-create-1gb-file/
[13:40] <kerio> Dan-NS27x: 16gb does not fit in 8gb, surprisingly
[13:41] <kerio> password4: were you on another system at the moment
[13:41] <kerio> because resize2fs can't shrink a mounted filesystem, only enlarge it
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[13:42] <vlt> password4: Put the sd-card in another machine but unmount it (if auto-mounted) to shrink the fs size.
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[13:43] <vlt> password4: Caveat on modern Ubuntus: If you use the file manager's "eject" button the device as a whole will disappear. So you have to actually use the umount command.
[13:44] <vlt> kerio: One frame? That pretty impressive!
[13:44] <vlt> 's
[13:44] <password4> vlt we did that
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[13:44] <password4> kerio: we were on an debian
[13:45] <password4> oh kerio , just spoke to the guy , it was resize2fs
[13:45] <password4> but it was not mounted
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[13:47] <RadarG> I need a bit of help I have a pi v1 that ran out of space on / how do I remove the desktop GUI? I only ssh into this box. I do not need a GUI
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[13:47] <password4> we tried dd too , i think that worked best , but data was still corrupted when we wrote the img to an 8gb sd card
[13:48] <RadarG> what are some packages that I can remove
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> RadarG: what do you use on it
[13:48] <RadarG> ssh
[13:49] <RadarG> could I remove x11
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[13:51] <kubanc> hello. How can I sync my clock inside Ubuntu Mate with NTP server. For NTP server I am using SOphos UTM (which is working from Windwows OS) but in raspberry PI NTP does not worl
[13:52] <kubanc> I get error: failed to start LSB:start NTP daemon
[13:54] <SpeedEvil> RadarG: if you are not using any of the large pile of stuff included in it, yes
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> RadarG, in the first instance, try: sudo apt-get clean
[13:55] <RadarG> I did apt-get clean it didnt do anything
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[13:55] <RadarG> I'm removing libreoffice this should free up a bit
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> it will :)
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[13:58] <gordonDrogon> apt-get clean removes downloaded packages that are often not automatically deleted after installation.
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[14:00] <kerio> password4: no kidding the data was corrupted
[14:00] <kerio> you don't move filesystems like that
[14:01] <kerio> are you saying that "resize2fs -M" on the unmounted filesystem did nothign?
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[14:02] <password4> kerio: we used gparted , not sure what actual cmd it run
[14:02] <RadarG> its doesnt help that the pi is using an 8gb card
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> RadarG: Is there a reason you're not just swapping the card?
[14:03] <RadarG> it says that /usr is using 1.4G and /var is using 4G
[14:03] <password4> kerio: well fuck you , we tried a bunch of stuff because things werent working
[14:03] <RadarG> the pi is on the other side of the planet
[14:03] <password4> you can be all smug that i tried incorrect things , but you have not been helpful yet
[14:03] <password4> so if you are unable to help , rather keep quiet perhaps?
[14:03] <RadarG> i ssh in remotely
[14:03] <password4> or dont judge
[14:04] <password4> anyway , its weekend and I'm out of here
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[14:04] <RadarG> i removed x11-common
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[14:05] <RadarG> this freed up a little bit
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[14:05] <petn-randall> password4: No need to go ad-hominem here. If you don't like someone's output, just use /ignore.
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[14:06] <gordonDrogon> password4, and keep it family frieldy please.
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> RadarG, try something like dpkg -l | grep X (capital X) to find the package name of the X server.
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> (I don't have a Pi handy running X to check myself)
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[14:11] <RadarG> its safe to remove cups right?
[14:12] <petn-randall> RadarG: If you don't plan on printing, you can remove it.
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[14:13] <RadarG> i say that I still had xchat installed I removed it. I than did apt-get autoremove this removed cups,java,etc
[14:14] <RadarG> it looks like most of the space it taken up by var log. I only run ssh and ftp on this pi could my logs be full and eating up the space
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[14:19] <RadarG> daemon.log is eating up 1.3G
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> might be an idea to see why it's so big.
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> and install logrotate if it's not there and running...
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> (ie. tail /var/log/daemon.log)
[14:20] <RadarG> syslog is also eating up 1.9G
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> it's probably duplicating what's in daemon.log
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[14:22] <RadarG> tail shows nothing but DHCPDISCOVERS
[14:22] <RadarG> i do not have log rotate installed
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> logrotate uses cron and needs the Pi running 24/7 ish.
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[14:23] <gordonDrogon> you can simply delete those files and reboot, or signal syslogd to reload.
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> but if you're running jessie & systemd then I don't know if all that's still valid.
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> (I don't run systemd)
[14:26] <RadarG> logrotate is up and running I see daemon.log.1 and daemon.log.1.gz
[14:26] <RadarG> i'm removing the old daemon logs
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> right. yea, remove the *z ones :)
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[14:27] <Lartza> logrotate uses cron on debian?
[14:27] <Lartza> Why?
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> then again... if you don't look at the logs, is there any point even running syslog ... I've removed it from a lot of the Pi's I have.
[14:27] <Lartza> Unless cron is installed by default
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> logrotate & cron are installed by default under wheezy. cron is installed under jessie.
[14:28] <Lartza> mhh logrotate depends on cron yeah :/
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> seems to be there on the recent raspbian image.
[14:28] <Lartza> Seems like they are not phasing out the cron dependency either
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> I understand systemd can replace cron, but have no idea of Debians road-map for that
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[14:41] <password2> yo
[14:42] <RadarG> well i deleted daemon.log by mistake. I recreated the file and the permissions for it. I cleared it up :(
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> got lots of SD card space now though :)
[14:43] <password2> loootss
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[14:44] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Doesn't systemd replace linux?
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[14:45] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Replaces the SOC and runs on imagination
[14:45] <kerio> Gadgetoid_Pim: you mean systemd-kerneld
[14:45] * [Saint] is confident Gadgetoid_Pim was being facetious
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[14:46] <[Saint]> That was, or should've been, abundently clear.
[14:46] <petn-randall> Gadgetoid_Pim: Stop beating the dead horse, it won't get you anwhere. We're already traveling with autonomous cars.
[14:46] <kerio> you mean systemd transportation units
[14:46] <shiftplusone> Yup.. the kernel should only run a 1 line shell script as the init system.
[14:47] <kerio> systemd-vehicled
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[14:47] <Gadgetoid_Pim> I was definitely being facetious, I usually am
[14:47] <Gadgetoid_Pim> You can normally tell by the fact I'm writing words or opening my mouth
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[14:48] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Also how have we got >1k views on our Zero Stem BilgeTank episode already!?
[14:48] * [Saint] once followed a circlejerk technical thread on stackoverflow to replace systemd with emacs.
[14:48] <[Saint]> and...it works.
[14:48] <[Saint]> emacs can be a fully fledged init system.
[14:48] <shiftplusone> Any change after whatever year I gave up on learning new things is wrong, evil and breaks everything.
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[14:48] <kerio> [Saint]: pid 1 is or should be very very simple
[14:49] <kerio> it's no wonder that something as programmable as emacs can do it
[14:49] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_Pim: it was a good episode. I usually watcht he first minute and then move on (since they're quite long). Watched the whole stem episode then ordered a few for myself.
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> I have booted a pi with /usr/bin/rtb as init. it works too. however not that useful with a filesystem, keyboard and a few other nicities...
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> s/with/without/
[14:49] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: lol, if that was the case for me then I would pretty much flatly refuse to believe almost every flavor of ARM exists. ;)
[14:50] <Gadgetoid_Pim> shiftplusone, what made it stand out?
[14:50] <Gadgetoid_Pim> If there's any way we can do more of that :D
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[14:50] <kerio> i mean literally all pid 1 /must/ do is wait for children and not stop
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[14:52] <[Saint]> PID1 can be halted/interrupt driven.
[14:53] <kerio> of course, you probably want a way to shut the system off
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[14:54] <kerio> a pid 1 that just loops around a wait() will not actually make anything happen when it starts, after all
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[14:57] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_Pim: can't quite pin-point the difference between the other episodes, since I haven't watched the others ones all the way through. The fact that you opened with showcasing a thing somebody else did caught my attention.
[14:57] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Ooooh :D
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[14:58] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Yeah that LEGO build by ali1234 is absolutely flippin' incredible
[14:58] * [Saint] needs to finish writing his .service and wrapper script for dynamic execution after going out of his way to harden Raspbian Lite
[14:59] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Just every detail is either accidentally or purposefully perfect, loved it
[14:59] <[Saint]> I pretty much have as close as is feasible to having an entirely RO/noexec system while still having it technically RW/exec
[14:59] <kerio> should i just give up on any sort of floating point performance and run devuan
[14:59] <shiftplusone> sparfkun have (had?) a similar format with their new products showcase and it got old fast because it was just "here's yet another breakout board" show.
[14:59] <kerio> it's only armel, for the pi1
[15:00] <[Saint]> Just gotta remember to pass user modification through a (at the moment pretty convoluted) wrapper script to dynamically remount a bunch of things as RW/exec
[15:00] <[Saint]> There's only two partitions in the system (/boot and /root, obviously), but there's over forty entries in my fstab for convoluted bind mounts.
[15:01] <kerio> does f2fs support snapshots?
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[15:01] <[Saint]> Finishing up a user script to deploy "ludicrously hardened system" presently.
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[15:01] <SpeedEvil> Does it include a minefield?
[15:01] <[Saint]> Already incorporated the aforementioned magic into my buildroot magic.
[15:02] <[Saint]> But I'd like for people to be able to deploy it after the fact on a running system.
[15:02] <[Saint]> Preferably trivially.
[15:02] <kerio> i'm kinda bummed that the pi0 doesn't have a single-core version of the pi3 cpu :<
[15:03] <[Saint]> kerio: it pretty much does. Most of them will reach the same clocks in my experience.
[15:03] <kerio> it's 32bit tho
[15:03] <kerio> not aarch64
[15:03] <Lartza> It's the same CPU as the rpi1 not rpi3
[15:03] <kerio> indeed
[15:03] <Lartza> So no it pretty much doesn't, they are close but
[15:04] <[Saint]> Yeah, fair. I thought he meant in relation to clock/core speeds.
[15:04] <[Saint]> For most users the aarch64 benefits are questionable or unnoticed entirely.
[15:04] <[Saint]> Barring marginally faster HW-assisted crypto.
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[15:06] <[Saint]> I did some testing with 64bit kernel 64bit userspace, 64bit kernel 32bit userspace, and 32bit kernel 32bit userspace with openSUSE.
[15:07] <[Saint]> And the results were far from stellar.
[15:07] <[Saint]> Largely unsurprisingly, 32/32 was the outright winner.
[15:08] <[Saint]> Which I'm guessing is the reason why there's been no serious push for 64 bit kernel 64 bit userspace RPF Raspbian.
[15:10] <ShorTie> just like when amd64 was beginning, until everything get to 64, 64 bit isn't worth much
[15:11] <Lartza> You'd first need to have a working 64-bit kernel and drivers for the rpi
[15:11] <Lartza> to push 64-bit raspbian
[15:12] <[Saint]> *cough* openSUSe *cough*
[15:12] <Lartza> GPU works?
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[15:14] <gordonDrogon> there is a 64-bit debian that runs on the Pi.
[15:14] <shiftplusone> idk about opensuse, but I've seen that minecraft-pi works with electron's kernel
[15:15] <shiftplusone> I think he has got all his patches upstream, but I don't know exactly what the status is.
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> at least I got email from someone running it complaining about some issues with wiringPi and 64-bit and something else to do with the kernel.
[15:15] <[Saint]> Sorry, wandered off for a bit there. Cat threw up on the rug.
[15:15] <Lartza> arch linux arm also runs 64-bit on the Pi but not all devices work, which is the problem
[15:15] <[Saint]> And, yes. Yes it does.
[15:15] <Lartza> Or at least they didn't previously
[15:16] <[Saint]> My understanding is the GPU mainbox is and always will be 32bit.
[15:16] <[Saint]> You can wrap magic around it, though.
[15:16] <shiftplusone> I think electron added a translation layer of some sort
[15:16] <[Saint]> *mailbox
[15:16] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: right
[15:17] <[Saint]> SUSE did the same.
[15:17] <shiftplusone> They use his kernel, so yup
[15:17] <[Saint]> Ah, I wasn't aware.
[15:18] <[Saint]> TBH, I'm not really sure about the fascination of 64bit userspace and kernel.
[15:18] <shiftplusone> 32>64
[15:18] <shiftplusone> wait
[15:18] <[Saint]> My testing basically showed me that you're effectively shooting yourself in the foot for no real world gain.
[15:18] <shiftplusone> That's not how you maths
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[15:19] <[Saint]> In fact, there's a very real real world loss.
[15:19] <[Saint]> But...but...but...MUH 64 BITZ!?!
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[15:20] <shiftplusone> Yeah... I stumble upon a lot of posts where people express their outrage about the lack of official 64 bit support... that makes the CPU entirely useless you know.
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[15:21] <[Saint]> Yeah, I stopped arguing with those retards years ago.
[15:21] * petn-randall shrugs.
[15:21] <petn-randall> People talk shit on the internet? That's news to me.
[15:22] <fred1807> does raspberry pi 3 builtin wifi support working as Client + AP mode at the sime time? Will this degrate the quality of client mode operation?
[15:22] <petn-randall> fred1807: yes and yes
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[15:23] <Capo_di_capo> hey guys i have these infrared break beam sensors anybody have tips for increasing the range?
[15:23] <Capo_di_capo> https://www.adafruit.com/product/2168
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[15:23] <Capo_di_capo> they only go about 50cm
[15:23] <petn-randall> fred1807: Radio is a shared medium, and only one device can broadcast at one point in time.
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[15:23] <IT_Sean> Sure. Replace them with sensors that work over a greater range, Capo_di_capo.
[15:23] <Capo_di_capo> these are the longest range ive been able to find
[15:24] <fred1807> If I enable AP mode, and no clients are connected to AP, will my client mode operation be compromissed too, just because of AP SSID broadcast?
[15:24] <Capo_di_capo> i did find some loose ir leds but those just have 2 legs and not a data wire like these from adafruit
[15:25] <IT_Sean> Well, you can try injecting them with unicorn farts. Other than that, no... I'm not aware of any way to increase the range of those sensors.
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[15:25] <shiftplusone> Add a repeater pair?
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[15:26] <JK-47> Get a laser. see how much IR it sends (filter if needed). Use that instead of the built in break beam transmitter junk led.
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[15:26] <shauno> lenses might not be a bad idea
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[15:27] <Capo_di_capo> indeed that might be something to look into
[15:27] <petn-randall> Capo_di_capo: AFAICS the sensor is dumb and just statically sends out IR light. You could replace that with something more powerful, but you'd have to test if the sensor still triggers properly then.
[15:27] <Capo_di_capo> im gonna order some lasers to try out aswell
[15:27] <petn-randall> fred1807: That is correct.
[15:27] <Capo_di_capo> that would make sens petn-randall ill take a look into it
[15:27] <Capo_di_capo> thanks guys very helpfull as allways :)
[15:28] <[Saint]> fred1807: Generally speaking, the embedded wifi on the Rpi 3 is dirt.
[15:28] <fred1807> petn-randall: Sorry, client mode suffers with ap enabled (without ap clinets) or only suffer if ap has got clients connected?
[15:28] <[Saint]> fred1807: there's a bunch of USB radios that are infinitely less crap that support monitor mode natively.
[15:28] <[Saint]> technically, the Rpi 3 embedded wireless can do monitor mode, but for some weird reason it's disabled at driver level.
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[15:29] <[Saint]> But, it's a moot point.
[15:29] <[Saint]> The range and the throughput _sucks_.
[15:29] <fred1807> [Saint]: Monitor mode = Client + Ap at the same time?
[15:29] <[Saint]> Nearly any generic cheap USB radio will be infinitely better.
[15:30] <[Saint]> And, yes.
[15:30] <petn-randall> fred1807: Well, your AP sends out beacons, and during that time it can't receive. Makes sense, right?
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[15:33] <fred1807> Ok, but does Rpi3 builtin wifi support or dont the "monitor mode" ? petn-randal says yes, Saint says no
[15:34] <[Saint]> It does and it doesn't. It is capable of doing so, by default, it doesn't - as it's disabled at the driver level.
[15:34] <[Saint]> For....$reasons? Dunno. Ask RPF or Broadcom.
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[15:35] <fred1807> https://github.com/seemoo-lab/nexmon Despite enlabling monitor mode, do you think this firmware could improve raspi3 wifi signal?
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[15:36] <[Saint]> No.
[15:36] <[Saint]> No amount of firmware is going to make up for the fact that it's a tiny little IC with virtually no antenna.
[15:37] <[Saint]> I very highly suggest you just disable it in dtoverlay and forget it exists.
[15:37] <[Saint]> Spend ~$10 on some generic and widely supported Ralink radio with infinitely better throughput and range.
[15:37] <shauno> unlike the huge antenna in these; https://www.pi-supply.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/raspberry-pi-nano-wifi-dongle-800x800.jpg
[15:38] <[Saint]> shauno: comparitively, it _is_ huge.
[15:38] <[Saint]> The antenna in those is a literal order of magnitude larger than the entire WiFi/BT IC.
[15:38] <fred1807> [Saint]: I do believe you are overreacting. I have some 5 raspi3 connect via wifi 24h/day, in 20m areas and it works.... Not great, but works. So it is not the end of the world
[15:39] <fred1807> this looks cool http://hackaday.com/2016/03/18/hacking-the-raspberry-pi-wifi-antenna-for-more-db/
[15:39] <[Saint]> fred1807: I never said it didn;t work. But the range and throughput is utter crap.
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[15:40] <[Saint]> You'll be lucky to ever break 1MB/s
[15:41] <fred1807> is "monitor mode" just the same as "client + ap" or is means some more feautres, like injection, etc? Becuase I only want wifi connection, and be able to ssh into my pi via wifi for a quick work
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[15:41] <fred1807> (in case my pi doesnt have wifi password on it yet)
[15:41] <[Saint]> If only there was some form of tool one could use to query, or even search, things on the Internet. Like a service, or engine, rather.
[15:42] <[Saint]> A 'search engine', if yo will.
[15:42] <[Saint]> Someone could make some serious money out of that idea.
[15:42] <fred1807> [Saint]: you are a P.I.T.A. my friend
[15:42] <[Saint]> I'm not your friend, pal.
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[15:43] <fred1807> [Saint]: I am your father.
[15:44] * NecessaryEvil (~Necessary@ Quit (Client Quit)
[15:44] <[Saint]> So, what's it like being a convicted pedophile?
[15:44] <[Saint]> ...that backfired, huh?
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[15:46] <fred1807> [Saint]: You mother said she was 21
[15:47] <[Saint]> I sincerely doubt that. You're off by 20 years.
[15:48] <[Saint]> My mother was 41 when she got knocked up with me, and 42 when I was born.
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[15:50] <GenteelBen> And a damn fine woman she was too.
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[15:57] <fred1807> [Saint]: Sorry for the terrible language. Writen stuff can lead to misinterpretation.
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[15:57] <[Saint]> No problem. Personally, I thought it was hilarious.
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[15:58] <[Saint]> From my point of view, of all the people in the world someone might want to be, my father is very, very low on that list.
[15:58] <[Saint]> Right after Stalin, and Hitler.
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[16:00] <fred1807> Ok, always drop the "I am your father" line ( darth vader's) when inside a i-am-you-are sittuation
[16:01] <pcmerc> Stalin had high score
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[16:02] <shiftplusone> .... so about 64bit support... https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/1915#issuecomment-289046715
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[16:14] <ShanShen> I have a RPi B+, which is quite slow on the internet (wired connection btw). Any suggestions for a test-only or HTML-only web browser?
[16:15] <fred1807> ShanShen: test connection speed?
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[16:17] <ShanShen> I am on DSL, so I expect a slow connection. I can't change that right now. Instead, I am looking for a very basic browser, even if it only gives me text.
[16:17] <ShanShen> I assumed other in here might have had to use such browsers.
[16:18] <HerculeP> midori is not ideal but less remanding than firefox and chrome
[16:18] <shauno> elinks :)
[16:19] <HerculeP> apt-get install midori should work
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[16:20] <ShanShen> Ah! Thank you, Monsieur Poroit. :D
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[16:21] <ShanShen> shauno, elinks might be useful for me.
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[16:21] <fred1807> does builtin blutooth in raspi3 share same resources with builtin wifi? I.E. If I want the best wifi signal (without an external usb dongle) better I disable bluetooth?
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[16:22] <shiftplusone> fred1807: if you're not actively using bluetooth, there is no point disabling it.
[16:23] <[Saint]> ShanShen: lynx
[16:23] <leftyfb> shiftplusone: your above post is really good knows. Hopefully it hits sooner rather than later
[16:23] <leftyfb> er
[16:23] <leftyfb> "good news"
[16:23] <ShorTie> don't know what bluetooth would have to do with wifi antenea
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[16:24] <[Saint]> ShorTie: it /is/ the same IC...so...
[16:24] <leftyfb> ShanShen: w3m
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[16:25] <ShanShen> Wow, thank you all! I am writing all these down!
[16:25] <password2> bluetooth would not mind an antenna
[16:26] <leftyfb> ShanShen: w3m makes an attempt at showing images
[16:26] <password2> does the two share an antenna?
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[16:28] <ShanShen> leftyfb, that is cool. I will check these all out this weekend
[16:29] <password2> will there ever be an 64bit os for the rpi
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[16:29] <password2> rpi3 *
[16:29] <ShanShen> Lynx and w3m are the most fascinating to me now.
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[16:31] <leftyfb> password2: look at shiftplusone's post above
[16:31] <leftyfb> password2: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/1915#issuecomment-289046715
[16:31] <password2> ooh
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[16:31] <shiftplusone> I think google will turn up a few existing distros you can just use now.
[16:32] <password2> i cant use any distros now
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[16:32] <shiftplusone> Why not?
[16:33] <password2> several reasons
[16:33] <shiftplusone> Well, I am convinced.
[16:33] <password2> most notably is that i dont own an rpi3
[16:33] <shiftplusone> I see
[16:35] <password2> i own an rpi1 though
[16:35] <petn-randall> password2: You mean that 64bit OSes for RPi3 don't exist because you don't own one? That's an interesting world view ...
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[16:36] <password2> petn-randall, no , i mean that google wont turn up any os /I CAN USE NOW/ because i cant use anything now
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[16:36] <petn-randall> Was that also the excuse not to google it yourself before asking?
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[16:37] <password2> my excuse was i dont give af
[16:37] <password2> if its too much effort to answer , dont
[16:37] <password2> different people are different
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[16:42] <shiftplusone> Some people respect your time, others think you're their personal googler.
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[16:42] <password2> i did not ask you to google
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[16:48] <password2> and now you wasted more time moaning about how precious your time is , aint that a thing?
[16:48] <petn-randall> Ok, let's keep on topic please.
[16:49] <password2> ok
[16:49] <password2> got anything on topic to say?
[16:50] <Chillum> ummm
[16:50] <Chillum> gpio!
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[16:50] <password2> what about spio?
[16:50] <Chillum> it was the only on topic thing I could think of
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[16:51] <Chillum> I am in the process of removing ethernet, usb ports, camera/display connectors, HDMI, audio etc from a pi2
[16:51] <password2> yeah :D
[16:51] <password2> nice
[16:51] <Chillum> and glueing the PCB from a wifi dongle onto it
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[16:51] <password2> i ought to dust off my rpi
[16:51] <Chillum> and wiring it to the USB holes
[16:51] <Chillum> making a pi2 mini
[16:51] <Chillum> doing it on a pi 2 because I have a lot of them
[16:51] <Chillum> just got a new desoldering iron and playing with it
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[16:52] <password2> want to see the worst /work station/ you can buy for $35?
[16:52] <Chillum> is it a kaypro?
[16:53] <password2> https://www.sageonlinetools.co.za/Render/EcomProduct/bl29do
[16:53] <password2> actually i think its more like $40
[16:53] <Chillum> well it is an electronic workstation, I suppose that is true
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[16:54] <Chillum> it comes with a "Dubbel Pole Dubbel Trough Switch" so that is good
[16:55] <Chillum> had to repost that link in ##electronics lol
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[17:11] <password2> urg
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[17:11] <password2> i timed out
[17:11] <password2> am back . I hope
[17:12] <password2> what did people in electronics say about the kit?
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[17:13] <Chillum> Viper-7 said "whats their website? dubbel-u dubbel-u dubbel-u dot .. ? :P"
[17:13] <Chillum> hehe
[17:14] <password2> lawl
[17:14] <Chillum> not much else
[17:14] <password2> wait wtf
[17:14] <password2> i pasted sageonlinetools website?
[17:15] <Chillum> yes
[17:15] <Habbie> password2, can you mind your language please?
[17:15] <password2> how did they manage that f=up
[17:16] <Chillum> what the freak is not a swear
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[17:16] <password2> their website is actually http://www.electronics123.co.za/
[17:16] <Habbie> Chillum, my backlog has several swears from password2 plus general disrespect
[17:17] <Chillum> oh
[17:17] <Habbie> neither are welcome here
[17:17] <Chillum> I thought wtf made the list
[17:17] <password2> swearing is the crayons of words
[17:17] <Habbie> Chillum, i don't know if it did, but it got me looking :)
[17:18] <Chillum> time for morning coffee and TV
[17:18] <Habbie> Chillum, enjoy!
[17:18] <password2> meh
[17:18] <Habbie> i'm waiting for my vindalu
[17:18] <password2> i cant weld now
[17:18] <password2> was hoping to get a good part of the welding done by now
[17:18] <Chillum> jb welding pcbs together really works, these two are now one
[17:19] <password2> lol
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[17:24] <password2> for future reference sake , how much offtopic is allowed here?
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[17:25] <Emil> Chillum: wtf apparently is a swearword here
[17:26] <Emil> password2: well, as long as it doesn't take away from the purpose of this channel too much
[17:26] <Emil> password2: always best to stick to the channel dedicated to the thing you are talking about
[17:27] <IT_Sean> password2: off topic is totally fine here, and not at all a problem, so long as it's kept family friendly.
[17:27] <password2> i talk about a lot of things
[17:27] <Emil> password2: you often get better results by dividing the talk between channels but yeah offtopic happens and it's fine
[17:28] <password2> usually the things i talk about dont have a good channel too
[17:28] <shauno> I tend to find the key to going off-topic, is stepping out the way when on-topic comes along. if it never becomes a problem, no-one needs to invent rules :)
[17:28] <password2> like welding for i.e
[17:29] <password2> though most of my welding questions goes to ##electronics
[17:29] <Emil> shauno: exactly
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[17:37] <Habbie> shauno, yes, that's the key indeed
[17:39] <password2> this is a novel way to store smd parts http://www.instructables.com/id/LEGO-SMD-Resistor-Storage/step2/One-Brick-seals-the-Other/
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[17:43] <Habbie> cute
[17:44] * password2 is googling how to store his nuts and bolts
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[17:46] <password2> i really like this type of storage , https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/display-colorful-buttons-market-stall-48901719.jpg , maybe i should scale it up a bit
[17:47] <Habbie> wouldn't your bolts fall over?
[17:47] <password2> how would they?
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[17:47] <Habbie> if you don't fill up a square
[17:47] <Habbie> it might be a dumb question
[17:48] <Habbie> i've been known to ask those
[17:48] <password2> ask away , I just not am sure what you mean by fall over?
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[17:48] <Encrypt> Ah ah: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12117
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[17:49] <Habbie> password2, i was assuming you wanted to put the bolts horizontally, like the items on the picture
[17:49] <Habbie> password2, wait, is this picture taken from the front or from the top?
[17:49] <password2> yes i want to
[17:49] <password2> oh , the buttons are glued to the lid
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[17:49] <Habbie> no i mean, is this whole casing standing up or lying down :)
[17:50] <password2> you need to take the lid of to get the contents out
[17:50] <Habbie> right
[17:50] <password2> oh , as it is in the picture its laying flat
[17:50] <password2> so the tube is horizontal
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[17:50] <Habbie> ok
[17:51] <Habbie> well the tube would be vertical then, which is what i meant to type
[17:52] <password2> no, this picture is as you would see it agains a wall
[17:52] <Habbie> right
[17:53] <Habbie> then there would be no falling over
[17:53] <password2> yebo
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[17:53] <ali1234> it doesn't matter if they fall over inside the tube
[17:53] <password2> i wonder if i can get like 1-6" tranparent tubing somewhere
[17:53] <Habbie> ali1234, also that
[17:53] <password2> dia
[17:53] <password2> pvc would be cheap , but boring
[17:54] <ali1234> i bought a load of those containers, they were cheap
[17:54] <ali1234> but i haven't got round to using them yet
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[17:54] <password2> I'm in the process of building up supplies
[17:54] <ali1234> also the plastic boxes they use to ship business cards are useful too
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[17:55] <password2> currently I'm using empty coffee jars for nuts and bolts
[17:55] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BUSINESS-CARD-BOXES-PLASTIC-CRAFT-BOX-HOLDER-STORAGE-BOX-/291007522861?var=&hash=item43c166682d:m:mj43a-9AhvAdxAIHUDjtQ8g
[17:55] <password2> Encrypt, nice bug
[17:56] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Test-Tubes-Plastic-18mm-x-65mm-Screw-Cap-Lid-Vial-Bead-Storage-Choose-Quantity-/142048087320?var=&hash=item2112b9cd18:m:ma7uPl6gLMI2V8jkvxbE5yg
[17:56] <ali1234> to get you started :)
[17:56] <ali1234> there's a huge range of different types
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[17:56] <password2> ali1234, I'm thinking atleast 20cm long tubes :D
[17:57] <ali1234> that's quite long
[17:57] <password2> yeah
[17:57] <ali1234> i see some like that in the related products section
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[17:58] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Plastic-Test-tubes-150-x-16mm-for-shots-wedding-favours-with-cap-UK-SELLER/172152971052?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D42826%26meid%3Dae355915cef641f4b5a29f0f9fc3a993%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D142048087320
[17:58] <password2> nice
[17:58] * password2 searches some on aliexpress
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[18:05] <password2> meh
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[18:15] <Travis> Hello.
[18:15] <password2> hi Travis
[18:16] <Travis> I finally taught myself how to use my Pi without a monitor & how to FTP into it :D
[18:16] <password2> here to help me pick out new storage solution :D
[18:16] <password2> ?
[18:16] <password2> cool
[18:16] <password2> i assume you ftp from windows?
[18:16] <Travis> Yes :(
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[18:17] <leftyfb> Travis: you could just use winscp over ssh as opposed to ftp
[18:17] <password2> the client winscp works really wel
[18:17] <Travis> It was the easiest thing I could think of, at the time.
[18:17] <password2> you dont need to change any setting to use winscp
[18:17] <password2> Travis, no worries
[18:17] <leftyfb> password2: not exactly true. ssh is disabled by default on a fresh image of raspbian
[18:18] <Habbie> then again so is ftp :)
[18:18] <password2> no its not
[18:18] <leftyfb> password2: yes, it is
[18:18] <Habbie> password2, yes, it is
[18:18] <password2> friend recently did a fresh install
[18:18] <Habbie> password2, it changed a few months ago
[18:18] <password2> i was able to troll him immediately
[18:18] <Habbie> password2, perhaps he used an older image
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> being able to run a Pi headless suggests that sshd is already being used ...
[18:18] <leftyfb> password2: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ssh/
[18:18] <leftyfb> "As of the November 2016 release, Raspbian has the SSH server disabled by default. It can be enabled manually from the desktop:"
[18:18] <password2> Habbie, I'm talking a few weeks ago
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[18:19] <Habbie> password2, then the image was old or he enabled ssh before popping it into the pi
[18:19] <password2> leftyfb, thats odd
[18:19] <Habbie> password2, or it wasn't raspbian
[18:19] <password2> he dloaded from raspbain
[18:19] <password2> it is raspbian
[18:19] <leftyfb> more than likely an old image then
[18:19] * Travis is a proud Raspbian!
[18:20] <leftyfb> or he imaged the sd card, mounted it and create a file called "ssh" on the boot partition which will enable it on boot
[18:20] <password2> if you say so
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> Travis, you might find that ftp is faster than scp. some may bleat on about security, but on your home lan it's usually fine.
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[18:20] <Travis> That's where I use it.
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[18:20] <Travis> I thought that when I bought my Pi 2, that it was a 2. Turns out, I have two 3s
[18:20] <password2> gordonDrogon, oh man , I'm so glad you said that
[18:21] <password2> html is good for fast transfer too
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> Travis, later Pi v2's are identical to the v3 without the wi-fi chip.
[18:21] <Habbie> html? did you mean http?
[18:21] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, later pi2s are 64 bit?
[18:21] <Travis> Nice!
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> Habbie, yes, I know. Did I say otherwise?
[18:22] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, no, i'm asking to clarify because it surprises me :)
[18:22] <password2> Habbie, eh , same salad :D
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> Habbie, righ - yes, 64-bit capable.
[18:22] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, fun
[18:22] <petn-randall> Why use a quirky protocol like FTP? If you don't care about security but raw speed netcat will do the job for you faster and more reliable.
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> personally not convinced there is any reason to use 64-bit on a Pi, however.
[18:22] <leftyfb> wait
[18:22] <password2> also if you are sharing between two linux pcs often , NFS works well
[18:23] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, no, but a 32bit speed increase comes with the upgrade :)
[18:23] <leftyfb> the latest pi2's are 64bit capable?
[18:23] <ali1234> no but the pi3 s are
[18:23] <leftyfb> I know that
[18:23] <ali1234> oh wait, actually the pi2 are as well
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> the current Pi v2's are. the rev 1 wasn't.
[18:23] <Habbie> petn-randall, i've found netcat a pain for reliable file transfer
[18:23] <Habbie> bbl, dinner is almost here
[18:23] <ali1234> yeah, they switched them both to the same chip to cut costs
[18:23] <clever> password2: scp is also an option if ssh is available
[18:24] <password2> my dinner still need to be assembled
[18:24] <password2> clever i did say winscp earlier
[18:24] <password2> so yeah
[18:24] <clever> winscp for windows clients, and just scp for linux<->linux
[18:24] <password2> i usually give people connecting to my microserver from windont an winscp client
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> from what I gather the v2's chip is has a slower clock than the v3 too.
[18:25] <ali1234> it is underclocked yes, but its the same chip
[18:25] <ali1234> maybe binned
[18:26] <ali1234> but the whole point is that they dont have to make two different chips
[18:26] <password2> so you should be able to clock it the same as the rpi?
[18:26] <password2> 3**
[18:26] <ali1234> you can try
[18:27] <leftyfb> ali1234: congrats on the pi stem release btw. I ordered 1 yesterday.
[18:27] <password2> well i cant try
[18:27] <password2> pi stem?
[18:27] <ali1234> thanks :)
[18:27] <ali1234> password2: zerostem.io
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[18:27] <leftyfb> ali1234: i'll be ordering a bunch once they start making their way to US distributors
[18:28] <ali1234> it might be a while before that happens, because i'll need to make more :)
[18:28] <ali1234> lead time, you know?
[18:28] <leftyfb> yeah
[18:28] <password2> oh wow , thats throughly awesome
[18:29] <leftyfb> ali1234: have adafruit make them for you?
[18:29] <hmoney> that pistem does look cool
[18:30] <hmoney> will they only be sold via pimoroni?
[18:30] <ali1234> maybe... would have to look at the numbers
[18:30] <ali1234> hmoney: pimoroni exclusive for now
[18:30] <oq> how many did you give to pimoroni? 100? it says they have 40 left in stock
[18:30] <ali1234> will be at least a couple of months before anyone else can get them because they took my whole initial batch :)
[18:30] <leftyfb> how many did you give them yesterday? Gadgetoid_Pim said it was the 3rd best selling product yesterday. Possibly sold out :)
[18:31] <password2> nice , have you ordered more?
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[18:31] <hmoney> 9.50 British Pound equals
[18:31] <hmoney> 11.87 US Dollar <- total to ship to texas
[18:31] <ali1234> i haven't ordered more yet, i'm thinking about doing it very soon though
[18:32] <ali1234> i need to do the panelization myself because the board house didn't do a great job on it
[18:32] <leftyfb> hmoney: yeah, I paid roughly that for MA
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[18:33] <hmoney> so without reading into it more- do you have to manually change the pi to be a usb gadget or is it built into the board?
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> ah, good to get someone else to do the fulfillment - they take their cut obviously, but saves you the hassle of packing, posting, etc.
[18:33] <password2> seems so hmoney
[18:33] <ali1234> you just change a line in config.txt
[18:33] <hmoney> gotcha
[18:34] <password2> that reminds me , dave jones was building an rpi cluster
[18:34] <password2> without using the ethernet jacks or micro usb for connectors , i hope he releases an update soon
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[18:36] <gordonDrogon> how will the Pi's communicate?
[18:37] <password2> hes making a mother board like thing
[18:37] <password2> so they plug in via the gpio headers
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> there's no high speed comms on the gpio )-:
[18:37] <password2> i cant remember how he said the networking will work
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[18:37] <gordonDrogon> slowly.
[18:37] <password2> lol
[18:38] <d0rm0us3> How fast can a pin be toggled low to high?
[18:38] <password2> you dont need that much speed either
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> d0rm0us3, you're doing it wrong if you need to know that.
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> d0rm0us3, however you can generate a very unstable 15MHz clock on a gpio pin through software if you try hard enough.
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[18:40] <password2> cant ethernet be routed through gpio?
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> not that I know of.
[18:41] <password2> ok
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> however...
[18:41] <password2> i dont have the video anymore , so i cant check
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> there are some SPI ethernet (and wi-fi) devices that have been used on the Pi & Zero.
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> the things aimed at the ATmega type application. they're slow, but they do workd.
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> and there is kernel support for them too.
[18:42] <password2> well he mentioned adding his own ethernet chip on the motherboard
[18:42] <password2> he did mention not gettin all that much speed
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/cluster-hat is the way to go, I reckon.
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> if you want to use Zeros, anyway.
[18:43] <password2> lol , its a similar physical layout he wanted
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> however if you extend that, you've effectively got one huge usb hub (127 devices max?) which may also be somewhat sub-optimal.
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[18:44] <gordonDrogon> once upon a time I was part of a team designing/building/coding supercomputer cluster things.
[18:44] <password2> thats cool
[18:44] <password2> for how long?
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> 7.5 years....
[18:45] <password2> wow
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> some 20+ years ago though.
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[18:45] <gordonDrogon> things have moved on, but the base technology is still similar, just faster.
[18:45] <kihis> is the original zero coming back to stock some day or is the zero W replaced it?
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> I think there are plans to still manufacture zeros withut wi-fi.
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[18:46] <password2> wtf
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> my suspicion is that they'll simply remove the wi-fi chip...
[18:46] <password2> zeros have wifi?
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[18:46] <password2> oh woops , sorry about cussing
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> family friendly please ....
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> yes, the new Zero-W has Wi-Fi.
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[18:46] * password2 googles the price
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[18:47] <gordonDrogon> back later. I have 12Kg of dough to wrangle into buns ...
[18:47] <Encrypt> :D
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[18:47] <password2> oh yeah , I forgot you do the baking too
[18:47] <kihis> every thing does not need wifi and 4GBP != 9GBP
[18:48] <password2> oh 9poundies
[18:48] <password2> kihis, eh
[18:48] <kihis> password2: eh?
[18:48] <password2> eh
[18:48] <password2> !
[18:49] <kihis> mmkay.
[18:49] * IT_Sean thumps password2
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[18:52] <password2> man i need two things , wrap up projects faster and more money for projects
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[18:58] <kihis> same. or at least some money for/from projects
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[19:01] <password2> I'm very close to wrapping up a big project though
[19:02] <password2> i think the end result will weigh arounf 250kg
[19:02] <password2> kihis, If i ever make money from my hobbies i would keep that money in my hobbies
[19:03] <password2> so i would use the profit to build or buy tools or parts
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[19:11] <ali1234> there is a high speed interface on the gpio actually... SMI
[19:12] <password2> why is the usb connector on this https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/cluster-hat on the wrong side?
[19:12] <ali1234> well, it can only go on one of three sides
[19:13] <password2> no space above the usbs?
[19:13] <ali1234> i doubt it would fit
[19:13] <password2> what about to the right?
[19:13] <password2> thats where I'd put it actually
[19:13] <ali1234> not sure about the specifics, ask BurtyB :)
[19:14] <password2> BurtyB, !
[19:14] <ali1234> actually i've got a question too
[19:14] <ali1234> the clusterhat is basically a usb hub
[19:14] <password2> shoot
[19:15] <ali1234> so did you implement USB per-port power control?
[19:15] <password2> thers a 50/50 chance i will make up a lie
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[19:15] <ali1234> haha you're not going to know... i meant i also had a question for burty :)
[19:15] <password2> yes he did
[19:16] <password2> "Individual Raspberry Pi Zero power controlled via Controller Pi GPIO"
[19:16] <ali1234> i know it can turn them on and off, but question is, can it do it in the manner described in the USB spec?
[19:16] <ali1234> if it's done with GPIO... then probably not
[19:16] <password2> it sounds very non usb spec
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[19:17] <ali1234> i have never seen a hub with per port power control... it requires loads of extra mosfets
[19:17] <ali1234> it is part of the overcurrent stuff
[19:17] <ali1234> however all the USB hub chips seem to support it
[19:17] <password2> welll there seem to be an power ic for each port
[19:17] <ali1234> yeah there would have to be
[19:17] <ali1234> U1 to U4
[19:17] <ali1234> are probably the mosfets
[19:18] <password2> could be
[19:22] <password2> remind me tomorrow , I need to check out pvc tube prices
[19:22] <password2> :P
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[19:29] <fred1807> If I want to use raspberry watchdog, do Ineed to install a watchdog package?
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[19:29] <ali1234> you don't need to, but you might want to
[19:30] <ali1234> the driver is just a kernel module afaik
[19:31] <fred1807> well I am confused
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[19:47] <mistawright> hi guys i have my raspberry pi zero setup to be able to ssh through usb but cannot seem to ssh to it. what do i need to do to allow me to ssh from archilnux to the raspberry pi zero over usb
[19:47] <shiftplusone> mistawright: g_ether stuff set up?
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[19:49] <mistawright> shiftplusone, g_ether? through the boot.txt cmdline.txt
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[19:50] <shiftplusone> You can't just ssh over USB, you have to set it up in gadget mode and so on. I don't think you can do that without booting into it properly first.
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[19:57] <BurtyB> ali1234, no as the hub ic only supports ganged power so I use a mosfet for each controlled via gpio pins
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[19:59] <ali1234> shiftplusone: you can now, you just edit cmdline.txt and touch 'ssh'
[19:59] <shiftplusone> nice
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[19:59] <shiftplusone> thought you'd have to set up static IP and all that nonsense
[19:59] <ali1234> apparently not: https://gist.github.com/gbaman/975e2db164b3ca2b51ae11e45e8fd40a
[19:59] <shiftplusone> or do you just do that in cmdline.txt as well?
[20:00] <ali1234> you can use avahi as normal
[20:00] <ali1234> mistawright: on arch, install avahi-daemon and ssh to raspberrypi.local
[20:00] <ali1234> after doing the other stuff in that guide ^
[20:01] <shiftplusone> Ah, I was thinking backwards... having the pi run dnsmasq
[20:01] <ali1234> could do, but there's actually no need to assign anything other than link local IPs, which avahi supports
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[20:47] <leftyfb> ugh
[20:48] <leftyfb> was watching a video on youtube, I think the latest new products from adafruit and a little ad popped up that said something about beta testing raspberry pi. My fingers were quicker than my brain and clicked the ad away. Anyone know anything about it?
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[20:49] <blacczenith> oooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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[20:56] <IT_Sean> leftyfb: Sorry... by clicking the ad away, you've been disqualified from the Lifetime Supply of Pis program.
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[20:57] <ali1234> leftyfb: was it one of those in video banners?
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[20:57] <leftyfb> ali1234: yeah
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[21:14] <oq> leftyfb: don't think the pi folks are the type to spend money on ads
[21:14] <ali1234> i doubt they have any trouble finding beta testers either
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[21:31] <Tenkawa> hi all
[21:33] <lopta> hello Tenkawa.
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[22:19] <plum> what filesystem would be recommended for formatting an external hard drive attached to a Pi Zero?
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[22:21] <nevodka> plum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems
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[22:22] <nevodka> probably want ntfs or ext
[22:23] <plum> oooh for sure, thank you!
[22:23] <plum> that filesystem-level encryption looks tempting
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[22:37] <mfa298> plum: filesystem should depend on what your doing with the drive. if it' only being used on the pi (or other linux system) you probably want ext3/4
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[22:38] <plum> for sure, i was having a hard time figuring out the filesystem type from cfdisk
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[22:38] <plum> like, the closest thing on there was "linux filesystem"
[22:38] <plum> which isn't too descriptive
[22:39] <mfa298> cfdisk is probably just doing partition type which is really only a hint to the os
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[22:39] <mfa298> the actual filesystem will depend on what mkfs command you use
[22:39] <plum> ohhhh i see
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[22:53] <gordonDrogon> cfdisk sets the partition type - which is just a number you can tag a partition with. you can format it with a different filesystem, but traditionally you wouldn't.
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[22:59] <plum> i used cfdisk to create /dev/sda1 as a linux partition, but i can't mount it somehow
[22:59] <plum> i get this error: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> you need to format it.
[22:59] <plum> ugh why didn't i realize that
[22:59] <plum> hahaha
[22:59] <plum> thank you
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> so the next step is: mkfs -text4 /dev/sda1
[22:59] <plum> will look into formatting next
[23:00] <plum> thank you
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> and when you mount it, mount it with the noatime option.
[23:00] <plum> will do, what does noatime do?
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> e.g. mount -onoatime /dev/sda1 /mnt
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> it stops updating of the access time bit on each file.
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> without it, every time you read a file, a write would take place.
[23:01] <plum> ooh that's no fun
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> this is/was great for olde-fashioned archive software, but has limited use today.
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[23:02] <gordonDrogon> (and some email programs used it too)
[23:02] <plum> so to have this auto-mount i'd need to add an entry to /etc/fstab as well if i understand right?
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[23:02] <plum> and that makes sense for the archives, i never knew that :o
[23:03] <plum> defaults,ono
[23:03] <plum> onoatime *
[23:03] <plum> ?
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> is it an SSD or spinning rust/
[23:03] <plum> the latter
[23:03] <plum> ...the platter.
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[23:04] <plum> the numbers after the defaults,onoatime show as 0 and 0/1/2 for the other partitions (/dev/mmcblk0p6/7 and /proc)
[23:05] <plum> i think i should set this to 3 then?
[23:05] <plum> like 0 and 3
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> it's to do with when it can be checked at boot time.
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[23:05] <plum> ahhh okay, like the order?
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> the first number can always be zero.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> the 2nd number - you'd typically give different physical devices the same number.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> that means it can be checked in parallel with another device - but that would be slow if they were the same physical device.
[23:07] <plum> the mmcblk0 ones show as different numbers though but they're the same device to my knowledge
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> on the pi it really doesn't matter as IO is relatively slow anyway. give it a unique number.
[23:07] <plum> ahh okay
[23:07] <plum> thank you so much
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> yes - different, so they would have fsck run sequentially.
[23:07] <plum> it's been difficult finding concise information on this online
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> this is old school unix sysadmin... which is what I was for a good number of years...
[23:08] <plum> good on you for it, i really appreciate you sharing your knowledge
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> these days I make bread and bread based stuff - made these tonight http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20170324_194253.jpg
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> they'll be hollowed out tomorrow and used as soup bowls..
[23:09] <plum> oooh those look delicious :D
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[23:10] <plum> sourdough?
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> no, just regular yeast.
[23:10] <plum> cooool
[23:10] <plum> i made fettuccine alfredo for the first time last night
[23:10] <plum> and i am in love with it
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> did you make the pasta by hand?
[23:10] <plum> naw, i used shirataki noodles (going for low carb)
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> ok
[23:11] <plum> the sauce is what i was focusing on
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> I mostly make sourdough though - I made up dough for 30 loves tomorrow.
[23:14] <plum> sourdough is amazingggg. i haven't had it in months because of this carb avoidance though
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> couple of dozen of these to make tomorrow morning too: http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20170318_101906.jpg
[23:14] <plum> D:
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> doing the paeleo/banting/Harcombe/Grove/Atkins style diet thing?
[23:15] <plum> niiiiice
[23:15] <plum> are those raisins?
[23:15] <plum> and yeah, i'm attempting keto
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> sultanas.
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[23:15] <plum> i feel a lot better on it without carbs
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> my wife is a weight loss consultant...
[23:15] <plum> oooh those are yummy
[23:16] <plum> i've been drinking a gallon a day during week days too since last week
[23:16] <plum> ...it moves things in strange ways
[23:16] <plum> hahahaha
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[23:17] <l0> hi all, has anyone managed to get FreeBSD running on the raspberry pi zero w?
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> zed time here.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> laters..
[23:18] <plum> cya gordonDrogon!
[23:19] <plum> l0 i haven't, haven't even used a pi zero w yet but someone here may have
[23:19] <l0> thanks :) I have one and it's a great little computer, it's so small! I just can't seem to be able to run FreeBSD on it. It gets stuck on u-boot> and does nothing else...
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[23:21] <plum> i haven't used freebsd before either... would this be helpful though? https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arm/2016-August/014567.html
[23:21] <plum> they checked their /etc/fstab file and found an outdated entry pointing to nothing that caused it to hang it seems
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[23:23] <l0> thanks for the link, I would imagine that they have probably sorted out that issue in the latest images, I'll have a look anyway :)
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[23:39] <plum> no worries, hope it is helpful! you might find more answers in a freebsd channel
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