#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2017-03-26

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[0:03] <julius_> hi
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[0:04] <julius_> with a fast sd card, is there a pi that can boot <5s without gui?
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[0:06] <humbot> even my sansa clip takes 5 seconds
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[0:07] <Lartza> Dave666, epiphany should also be patched to be HW accelerated on the rapsbian repos
[0:07] <Lartza> at least it used to be
[0:08] <Lartza> Honestly if I'd to guess which one of the two would be HW accelerated on the pi I'd choose Epiphany
[0:08] <Dave666> I know that Chromium is for sure, as I tested out some WebGL demos and it's clearly using the GPU
[0:09] <Lartza> Additionally, Epiphany uses webkit it doesn't really follow standards any less than Chromium
[0:09] <Lartza> That being said I'd still use Chromium but you're not entirely correct in your remarks afaik
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[0:11] <julius_> humbot, whats a sansa clip?
[0:11] <Dave666> Hmm fair enough it's been a long time since I tried epiphany so I made some bad assumptions. I might give it a try now to see if it supports WebGL. Got problems with Chromium going black at times when displaying html5 video
[0:11] <redrabbit> Chromium is better
[0:12] <humbot> a pocket mp3 player
[0:12] <julius_> OK
[0:12] <redrabbit> anybody tried to suspend the rpi3 ?
[0:12] <julius_> so whats a goot boot time for a rpi?
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[0:13] <Lartza> Dave666, I'd definetly say Chromium works better with WebGL :P
[0:13] <redrabbit> suspend/wake up
[0:13] <redrabbit> that'd be instant
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[0:13] <redrabbit> its at least 30 seconds
[0:13] <redrabbit> id have to clock that though
[0:13] <julius_> i mean what is technically possible
[0:14] <julius_> let me check that with my rpi2 here, one second
[0:14] <redrabbit> what about investivating suspend/wake up
[0:14] <redrabbit> g
[0:14] <Lartza> julius_, "Startup finished in 2min 49.614s (kernel) + 15.179s (userspace) = 3min 4.793s"
[0:14] <redrabbit> why the need for speed out of curiosity
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[0:14] <Lartza> ^ is a good question
[0:14] <Dave666> Yeah, I don't think I'll be installing Epiphany - it wants to install 245 packages to install it - haha!
[0:15] <Lartza> :P
[0:15] <redrabbit> Dave666: classic. so called lightweighs coming with a ton of deps
[0:15] <redrabbit> boo
[0:15] <Dave666> :) Yeah, probably devs throwing in random deps they might want one day...
[0:15] <Lartza> Epiphany isn't supposed to be light though?
[0:15] <Lartza> At least not really
[0:16] <Dave666> It needs 421MB of disk space to install - hahahaha!
[0:16] <redrabbit> immagine a browser in 2027
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[0:16] <redrabbit> 12gb software
[0:16] <Lartza> 286.44MB for me
[0:16] <Lartza> Epiphany that is
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[0:16] <Lartza> That even includes gtk3 which I don't currently have
[0:17] <Dave666> This is what apt is telling me. I'm going for a minimal system, so doesn't seem like a good idea :)
[0:17] <redrabbit> there's a gap, i cant find really lightweight browsers for the pi
[0:17] <Lartza> Midori
[0:17] <redrabbit> its either something non functional or fat
[0:17] <redrabbit> i end up using chromium
[0:17] <julius_> Lartza, my rpi2 answeres after 23seconds over the network...of course gui isnt started yet
[0:17] <Dave666> chromium wasn't too bad. Still pulled in a load of stuff. Might be worth making a statically linked build
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[0:18] <Lartza> julius_, I don't have a gui
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[0:18] <Lartza> 2min 56.097s man-db.service :/
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[0:19] <julius_> redrabbit, if it starts fast i could have a avr wake it up and only have to power the avr over longer periods. the camera is only needed if movement is detected
[0:19] <julius_> Lartza, almost 3 minutes...thats to long
[0:19] <Lartza> Computers take time to start
[0:19] <Lartza> My server, a real computer, takes a minute and a half
[0:19] <julius_> windows is a good operating systgem
[0:19] <julius_> see, i can do that to ;)
[0:19] <Lartza> ?
[0:20] <julius_> was trying to make a joke
[0:20] <julius_> of course pcs need time to boot and loading a complete os takes some time, i get that. just getting my infos right here
[0:20] <Lartza> You're looking for 5 seconds starts when the fastest, most highly optimized boots we are currently getting with real computers on linux are at least 15 seconds, on an SSD
[0:20] <Lartza> rpi is slow even with an USB root or NFS
[0:21] <redrabbit> julius_: do you investigated Sleep mode
[0:21] <julius_> redrabbit, ah right...missed that
[0:21] <julius_> let me check that
[0:21] <Lartza> julius_, Why can't you just run your Pi 24/7?
[0:21] <redrabbit> battery most likely
[0:21] <Dave666> I dunno, with a class 10 SDCard, I have a Pi running as a radio that takes around 10 seconds to boot.
[0:22] <ali1234> "15 seconds" - no
[0:22] <julius_> Lartza, battery driven would be a good solution, if possbiel
[0:22] <redrabbit> you can get U3 cards
[0:22] <redrabbit> they are the fastest on the market
[0:22] <Lorduncan> 1 fast question: im trying to make a laser barrer with a mirror and LDR
[0:22] <julius_> Dave666, that beats my 10 card by 13 seconds :)
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[0:22] <ali1234> my dad's PC boots in about 5 seconds
[0:22] <Dave666> Is yours a class 4 card?
[0:22] <redrabbit> U3 is far better than class 10
[0:22] <Lartza> redrabbit, UHS is not supported by the Pi
[0:22] <Lorduncan> is like 4 meters far ... but is a pain to make the laser hit the small LDR
[0:23] <Lorduncan> any idea?
[0:23] <redrabbit> ah. i use a U3 card on my pi's
[0:23] <Lartza> So no straight speed benefits except from a possibly better manufactured card overall
[0:23] <redrabbit> no issue
[0:23] <Lartza> Well dug
[0:23] <Lartza> *duh
[0:23] <redrabbit> i don't know if it uses full speed though
[0:23] <Lartza> But it's not going to be faster per se
[0:23] <Dave666> I think class 10 is about the maximum the Pi can make use of. It's limited by the bandwidth of the chip anyway.
[0:23] <redrabbit> oh well
[0:23] <redrabbit> you get the image on it faster
[0:23] <redrabbit> lol
[0:24] <Lartza> ali1234, What's wrong with 15 seconds?
[0:24] <ali1234> Lartza: its really slow?
[0:24] <Lartza> ali1234, Full graphical os like with Gnome or KDE?
[0:24] <Dave666> That's true - makes a big difference when writing lots of cards - I had to copy an image to 20 SDCards last week for a job - took forever :)
[0:24] <ali1234> ubuntu x86 boots to unity in about 5 seconds, yes
[0:24] <Lartza> Fair enough then :) My information is old
[0:24] <ali1234> my pi boots to a qt app in 15 seconds, 10 of which are spent uncompressing the OS
[0:24] <redrabbit> anybody used sleep mode on the pi?
[0:25] <redrabbit> "systemctl suspend" somethingl ike that
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[0:25] <redrabbit> is it supported/how to wake up
[0:25] <Lartza> Not sure how I'd wake up from that lol
[0:25] <ali1234> other linux systems can boot to Qt in under 1 second
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[0:25] <Dave666> I have an M.2 drive in my work and gaming PC's running Win 10, th work PC takes <10 seconds to boot to login. Gaming PC takes longer due to hardware RAID contoller :)
[0:26] <ali1234> upstart and systemd were a big part of the boot speed improvements
[0:26] <ali1234> that happened several years ago now
[0:26] <julius_> Dave666, i hope not
[0:26] <redrabbit> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=24682 < some people investigated waking uip from suspend
[0:26] <Lartza> that's where my 15 seconds comes from maybe, start of that switch
[0:26] <redrabbit> so apparently suspend is supported
[0:26] * Tenkawa wonders is it would be worthwile to replace his samsing ssd in this notebook with a m.2 pcie one
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[0:27] <ali1234> i'm watching this now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTRA1PRJWH8
[0:27] <redrabbit> that would be the fastest way to get from low power to functional
[0:27] <Dave666> Tenkawa: Huge speed difference. I get around 2500MB/sec with my M.2 drives. The SSDs top out at around 520MB/sec
[0:27] <Lartza> ^
[0:27] * Tenkawa determines if there is even a pcie slot in here
[0:27] <Lartza> Friend has a full-size pcie ssd that is around 1200MB/sec you just can't get that with sata
[0:27] <julius_> ali1234, what kind of sdcard do you use?
[0:28] <redrabbit> ali1234: i boot faster than you
[0:28] <Tenkawa> Lartza: good point
[0:28] <redrabbit> :D
[0:28] <ali1234> julius_: U1 i think. it doesn't really matter
[0:28] <redrabbit> its like another kind of epeen
[0:28] <Tenkawa> I'm already on 4.10 kernel too
[0:28] <julius_> redrabbit, as far as i can tell 80ma is the lowest value thats possible even with suspend
[0:28] <Lartza> Tenkawa, But that still does not mean you should change necessarily
[0:28] <Lartza> Tenkawa, If you want to spend money then go for it but :P
[0:28] <Tenkawa> Lartza: I like experimenting
[0:28] <Lartza> ;)
[0:28] <redrabbit> julius_: do you know how to wake up from suspend ?
[0:28] <Tenkawa> and I'm a tinkerer
[0:28] <Lartza> I'm still rocking my really slow sandisk ultra plus
[0:28] <Tenkawa> ask anyone in here whose known me for long
[0:29] <Lartza> But I don't even have m.2 slots so
[0:29] <Dave666> Weird thing is that I can't boot Linux from my M.2 drives on my Z170 motherboards. I have to boot from SSD anyway, which is a shame.
[0:29] <julius_> redrabbit, would need to use a gpio somehow
[0:29] <redrabbit> yeah i bet its gpio related
[0:29] <redrabbit> could use a small arduino like board to do that
[0:29] <Dave666> Lartza: You can use PCIE->M.2 adapter
[0:29] <redrabbit> with some sensors
[0:29] <Lartza> Meh
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[0:29] <Lartza> Dave666, I'll just build a new PC when I get the money :(
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[0:30] <julius_> redrabbit, yep, they are very practical...a avr ready to go without external components :) you can even use avrdude withtout the crappy gui
[0:30] <Lartza> I'm on a 3770k still, and a GTX980
[0:30] <julius_> thx for the input guys, gonna go to sleep now
[0:30] <redrabbit> julius_: avrdude is like arduino without gui?
[0:30] <redrabbit> i hate the gui
[0:30] <julius_> no
[0:30] <Dave666> Lartza: Ah right. I screwed up and bought a GTX1080 a week before the 1080Ti was announced. Now they're the same price :(
[0:30] <redrabbit> ok
[0:30] <Lartza> Dave666, Rookie mistake :P
[0:30] <ali1234> redrabbit: inotool is like arduino without the gui
[0:31] <Dave666> Lartza: Yeah, should have done some research...
[0:31] <ali1234> arduino gui actually uses avrdude, so does inotool
[0:31] <julius_> redrabbit, avrdude is the tool the gui uses in the background, but it does not understand the arduino libraries....you have to code "pure" c
[0:31] <ali1234> inotool.org
[0:31] <julius_> redrabbit, avrdude is also the tool you use to flash naked avrs
[0:31] <Lartza> Dave666, I bought 980 at launch so 980ti was coming but you can't wait forever :P And my 580 was getting too slow
[0:31] <redrabbit> inotool, i have to try this, is it in the repos ?
[0:32] <redrabbit> so you can upload arduino libs from the cli with it?
[0:32] <julius_> yes
[0:32] <ali1234> yes
[0:32] <redrabbit> good
[0:32] <julius_> redrabbit, let me give you the command line, one second
[0:32] <Dave666> Lartza: Yeah I have a 980Ti watercooled on my work PC - great card. I probably wouldn't have bought a new one except I needed more GPU RAM.
[0:32] <ali1234> inotool is not in the repos but it is easy to install
[0:32] <julius_> redrabbit, avrdude -v -p atmega328p -c arduino -P /dev/ttyUSB0 -b 115200 -D -U flash:w:ledon.hex
[0:33] <redrabbit> noted
[0:33] <Lartza> Dave666, Me too! Skyrim was crashing with all the mods I had on the 580 :P
[0:33] <Dave666> :)
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[0:33] <julius_> redrabbit, wait...
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[0:33] <redrabbit> i dont ever leave irc so no worries
[0:33] <julius_> redrabbit, you cant use the arduino libs...that syntactic sugar is not avaialble this way
[0:33] <redrabbit> 00:33 -!- Irssi: Uptime: 191d 19h 18m 5s
[0:34] <redrabbit> oh
[0:34] <julius_> uh nice
[0:34] <redrabbit> too bad
[0:34] <ali1234> with inotool you can
[0:34] <ali1234> that's the whole point :)
[0:34] <julius_> redrabbit, the arduino libs are the one selling point for arduinos ;) or the main one
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[0:34] <redrabbit> i only have knockoffs
[0:34] <redrabbit> lol
[0:34] <julius_> ali1234, good to know
[0:34] <julius_> me too
[0:34] <Lartza> redrabbit, "up 22 days", darn kernel updates
[0:34] <redrabbit> they are even better, this one have pwm capabilities on all output
[0:35] <Tenkawa> bah
[0:35] <redrabbit> and i just got the nano v3
[0:35] <redrabbit> so tiny
[0:35] <Tenkawa> the slot is already used for wifi and bt
[0:35] <julius_> ali1234, i find sometimes the arduino libs "hinder" you in understanding whats really happening
[0:35] <Tenkawa> oh well
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[0:35] <ali1234> arduino libs are terrible but sometimes you don't have time to write something better
[0:35] <redrabbit> Lartza: that's my debian VPS
[0:35] <Lartza> Arch dedicated server
[0:35] <ali1234> then you can use inotool so at least you don't have to deal with their gui
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[0:36] <julius_> ali1234, true
[0:36] <julius_> or you dont want to ;)
[0:36] <redrabbit> im gonna have to learn proper C so i can code directly
[0:36] <redrabbit> its C right?
[0:36] <ali1234> yes
[0:36] <ali1234> get avr-gcc
[0:36] <julius_> redrabbit, yep
[0:36] <ali1234> learn how to write an interrupt handler and you are pretty much done
[0:37] <Lartza> Pff, "C is proper", assembly is where it's at ;)
[0:37] <julius_> as ali1234 said get avr-gcc
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[0:37] <redrabbit> the gui is horrible and you cant even pick a black background
[0:37] <redrabbit> sacrilege
[0:37] <julius_> redrabbit, you german by any chance?
[0:37] <redrabbit> not far
[0:37] <ali1234> assembly if you have time critical code. easy with avr-gcc
[0:38] <julius_> theres a nice german tutorial for c and avr :)
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[0:38] <redrabbit> im only fluent with french and english
[0:38] <ali1234> here's an example of a cycle accurate ISR in assembly: https://github.com/ali1234/avr-teletext/blob/master/isrs.S
[0:39] <ali1234> in the comments, i have written the number of cycles for each instruction, so i can make sure it always takes the exact right amount of time, and does not under- or over-flow the buffer
[0:39] <redrabbit> im having good fun with 433mhz tools
[0:39] <redrabbit> its not the most reliable though
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[0:40] <redrabbit> only works after i did a scan for a little while
[0:40] <redrabbit> strange
[0:40] <ali1234> redrabbit: it's actually the hardware
[0:40] <ali1234> they are just unreliable
[0:40] <redrabbit> maybe i need another antenna
[0:40] <julius_> redrabbit, the hc05 modules dont have that problem, they are "bluetooth"
[0:40] <redrabbit> atm its antenna less
[0:40] <ali1234> make sure your receivers are far apart, and far from the transmitter
[0:40] <ali1234> because due to the way they work, when they receive they also transmit
[0:40] <ali1234> and interfere with each other
[0:41] <julius_> of course it depends on your environment...sitting in front of a micro wave oven wont help
[0:41] <ali1234> dave jones did a video on it...
[0:41] <redrabbit> lol my receivers are all at the same spot
[0:41] <redrabbit> its terrible
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[0:41] <redrabbit> i beleive there's something else to it though
[0:41] <redrabbit> software wise
[0:41] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzwEymOslFo
[0:41] <julius_> anyway, good night guys
[0:41] <ali1234> i thought it was software or antenna or tuning problems for the longest time until i saw that video ^
[0:42] <redrabbit> because if i run the RFsniffer
[0:42] <redrabbit> grab some codes
[0:42] <redrabbit> the codesend part works immediately after it
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[0:42] <redrabbit> but only for a little while
[0:42] <redrabbit> glitchy
[0:43] <redrabbit> i tried to put a little dupont cable to act as an antenna but it doesnt change anything
[0:43] <ali1234> watch the video :)
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[0:44] <redrabbit> well it works with their remote and even if i bash code at them for minutes they wont budge
[0:44] <redrabbit> till i run RFsniffer
[0:44] <redrabbit> w-t-f
[0:44] <redrabbit> im watching
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[0:47] <redrabbit> i have 3 of them like any closer aint possible + another one nearby
[0:47] <redrabbit> rofl
[0:48] <redrabbit> Super Regenerative > super annoying
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[0:51] <redrabbit> morale of the story is they suck :D
[0:51] <redrabbit> probably better off using relays
[0:51] <ali1234> they are cheap... but as long as you know the limitations you can use them to good effect
[0:52] <redrabbit> yeah im going to space them appart
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[1:34] <farsonic> ls –l /sys/bus/w1/devices/
[1:34] <farsonic> eek
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[1:36] <farsonic> struggling to get my 1 wire temp sensor recognised
[1:37] <ShorTie> got it enabled in raspi-config ??
[1:39] <farsonic> just been double checking the wiring
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[1:55] <farsonic> wiring looks ok
[1:55] <farsonic> not picking up the sensore
[1:55] <farsonic> sonsor
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[1:57] <farsonic> GPIO numbering on the Pi is confusing
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[1:58] <farsonic> guess it is just wiringPi confusing me though
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[3:00] <BurtyB> looks like you've sold out ali1234 :)
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[3:34] <farsonic> ok, placed a known good sensor into the PI
[3:34] <farsonic> not working eitehr
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[4:03] <Limix> Any tips on a connector type that is pretty snug, something easy like lightning cable, I need 4 wire connector.
[4:04] <Limix> It will be plugged in blind, and I would like to be quick and easy but secure
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[4:05] <Limix> the standard 4 pins connectors on computer wiring is too hard to pull out repeatedly. USB is too easy to pull, ethernet is my best bet, but I’m concerned with the thumb press snagging on clothing
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[4:07] <cromulent> too bad USB-C isn't available. can't mess that up
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[4:09] <Limix> why isn’t USB-C available?
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[4:09] <hmoney> sup all
[4:09] <cromulent> well it's pretty new
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[4:11] <Limix> I’m just stripping the wires open anyway, is the connection really snug?
[4:11] <Limix> Is it a digital cable like the lightning connector?
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[4:11] <hmoney> finally installed a theme in hexchat, so much better than the default
[4:12] <Limix> just tried the USB-C it’s put easy to pull out
[4:12] <Limix> I wonder if there is something like ethernet, but with just 4 wire instead
[4:13] <hmoney> you can choose to only punch down 4 wires
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[4:13] <Limix> hmoney, for sure, just hoping to get something really compact, as tiny of a wire and also tiny connector
[4:13] <hmoney> what about a POTS connector?
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[4:14] <hmoney> aka an old phone line
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[4:16] <Limix> hmoney nice
[4:17] <mfa298> normally known as something like rj11/rj14
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[4:18] <mfa298> or possibly more accurately 4p4c
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[4:18] <hmoney> yeah i didnt know that mfa298, but tbh i've only ever heard them called POTS
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[4:19] <mfa298> pots can mean different things in different places, uk phone socket is very different to that
[4:19] <Limix> this is perfect thank you guys
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[4:20] <hmoney> ah
[4:20] <Chillum> plain old telephone service
[4:20] <Chillum> POTS
[4:20] <hmoney> yeah i recently learned your 2.4ghz channels are different too
[4:20] <hmoney> err, one of them i think
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[4:21] <mfa298> the phone one your looking for is probably 6p4c rather than 4p4c (ethernet is 8p8c)
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[4:24] <mfa298> frequncies should be the same, but europe has channels 12&13 as well
[4:25] <mfa298> I think there are similar things on 5ghz where the channel usage varies a bit by region
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[4:41] <dtype> i had a play pi. Then I played with it saving rtsp streams off of my home surveillance video cameras. Then I built a light interface. Then it became my production system and I don't have a play pi anymore. New pi on the way to play. (That's the danger of these things. They're useful enough that they may actually go into production somewhere.)
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[5:30] <redrabbit> true
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[5:48] <Peppi> hello
[5:48] <Peppi> can you play youtube channels on a Pi1?
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[5:49] <NedScott> yes
[5:50] <Peppi> NedScott: HOW?
[5:50] <Peppi> how
[5:50] <NedScott> web browser
[5:50] <NedScott> it will be slow, but video playback should be hardware decoded for youtube
[5:50] <NedScott> page loading, that is
[5:51] <Peppi> this on Noobs or something?
[5:51] <Peppi> I'm curently using ODMC atm
[5:51] <Peppi> OSMC
[5:51] <NedScott> oh, in that case, use the youtube add-on
[5:51] <Peppi> there is an addon for youtube on OSMC?
[5:52] <NedScott> yes
[5:54] <hmoney> lol
[5:54] <hmoney> this convo reads like an ad for google
[5:55] <Peppi> NedScott: think I found it, thanks
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[5:57] <Peppi> hey I see a pbs kids addon has anyone used that?
[5:59] <Peppi> hey it says I have the youtube plugin installed... how to I look at videos?
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[5:59] <Peppi> ohh nm found it
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[6:06] <leftyfb> Peppi: http://mymediaexperience.com/raspberry-pi-xbmc-with-raspbmc/
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[6:11] <Peppi> leftyfb: cool thanks
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[6:59] <redrabbit> vanillia colors and fonts are meh
[7:00] <hmoney> :P
[7:02] <beek> raspberian have python3?
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[7:05] <dtype> beek: I think so. Ubuntu Mate on pi does, fwiw
[7:05] <dtype> root@pi1:/var/www/html# python3
[7:05] <dtype> Python 3.5.2 (default, Nov 17 2016, 17:05:23)
[7:05] <beek> ubuntu Mate
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[7:05] <beek> oh then i must install ubuntu Mate instead of raspbarian?
[7:06] <dtype> raspbian is based on debian jessie, which does have python 3.4.2
[7:06] <dtype> so I think raspbian probably does too
[7:06] <beek> oh
[7:06] <beek> thanks dtype
[7:06] <beek> :)
[7:07] <dtype> just make sure to apt-get install python3
[7:07] <dtype> as the stock "python" package will be 2.7
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[7:38] <Peppi> is there a way to tell your network usage on a pi?
[7:38] <Peppi> I'm using OSMC
[7:38] <Peppi> you tube is stuttering and trying to figure out why?
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[7:39] <ShorTie> 1080p ??
[7:39] <Peppi> not sure how to I tell / change that?
[7:40] <Peppi> I'm just trying to stream music actually. Via youtube
[7:40] <Peppi> ya not the smartest I know
[7:43] <dtype> Peppi: most linux distros you can install "ethstats" package which will tell you bandwidth
[7:44] <dtype> simple perl script that parses /proc
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[7:45] <ragedragon> Peppi, otherwise you can search a plugin using ethstats or dstat --net to display the bdwth
[7:45] <ragedragon> plugin for osmc
[7:46] <Peppi> k
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[8:02] <password2> iftop also works
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[9:14] <Peppi> hmm the wireless to the device looks to be working fine (I can stream from the NAS to the Pi 1080p no problem) but the youtube addon still studders anyone know why this is?
[9:19] <NedScott> Youtube might be using a higher bitrate. Resolution doesn't really tell you how much data, because different videos will have different encodings
[9:19] <viju> What kind of SD card should be great? one marked 10 or 1?
[9:22] <viju> It's for raspberry pi.
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[9:23] <Stromeko> Class10 is OK, U1 is roughly the same (the Pi can't tell the difference). You'll want one that is good at random short writes, this is less easy to figure out. I've had good experience with Samsung Evo+ (16GB and 32GB) and Toshiba Exceria (32GB) The latter is actually U3, but it doesn't matter for the Pi.
[9:24] <Stromeko> viju: ^
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[9:25] <Peppi> NedScott: the point is I can stream from the nas no problem yet srtaming music from youtube is stuttering...
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[9:30] <viju> Stromeko: Ok, I am going to place the order for Samsung Evo+ 16GB
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[11:57] <kerio> Stromeko: those sd cards are outrageously expensive :<
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[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> kerio: the evo+ ?
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> they are pretty reasonable
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[12:14] <redrum88> HrdwrBoB, where do you usually buy it?
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> I can't even remember
[12:15] <kerio> amazon?
[12:15] <kerio> ye the evo+ is not bad
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> probably amazon/ebay/officeworks
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[12:17] <redrum88> HrdwrBoB, ok...thanks
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[12:18] <NedScott> don't get it from ebay. Too easy to get a fake. Lots of samsung mSD fakes out there
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> yeah you need to be pretty savvy
[12:23] <Stromeko> kerio: Not around here, they are priced quite reasonably for what they deliver. Yes I can get cheaper (not that much), but they are typically a lot slower at random access.
[12:25] <password2> evo 950 :P
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[13:32] <r0ck> YO wAZUP
[13:32] <r0ck> niggaz and peepz
[13:32] <r0ck> <3 to you all
[13:32] <r0ck> does anyone run openVPN for like 10+ computers?
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[13:32] <r0ck> I mean openVPN server on RPI2?
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[13:36] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[13:36] <HrdwrBoB> should be fine
[13:38] <oq> r0ck: 10 computers connecting through a single 100mbit nic?
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[13:40] <HrdwrBoB> really vpns are more about throughput
[13:40] <HrdwrBoB> more than total number of connections
[13:41] <RoBo_V> how many pwm pins does rpi3 has ?
[13:43] <HrdwrBoB> as a rule, you wouldn't do pwm directly from a pi
[13:43] <kerio> why not? it's got at least one hardware pwm output
[13:44] <RoBo_V> GPIO 18 they say
[13:44] <kerio> pinout.xyz claims that bcm12 and bcm13 are also pwm
[13:44] <kerio> but it calls both bcm18 and bcm12 "pwm0"
[13:44] <r0ck> oq: yes throug a single 100mbps?
[13:46] <RoBo_V> kerio: GPIo 18 and 27 both PWM ?
[13:46] <HrdwrBoB> kerio: well, depends what you're driving
[13:47] <HrdwrBoB> but you won't want to use it as the source of the actual current
[13:47] <HrdwrBoB> for a decent motor etc
[13:47] <RoBo_V> HrdwrBoB: ofc we need transistor switching for higher loads, I need to drive DC fAN BTW.
[13:50] <HrdwrBoB> yeah I wouldn't be driving it directly
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[13:57] <kihis> umm!can i run triac with pwm pin?
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> there are 2 hardware PWM outputs on the 40 pin connector.
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> kihis, yes with the appropriate interface circuitry, if you like making life complicated, however make life easy and use an SSR. they're also opto isolated and do zero crossing switching.
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[14:27] <phil42> how fast will a bog standard ssr switch?
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[14:28] <phil42> just curious
[14:31] <kihis> gordonDrogon: https://goo.gl/photos/55MNaaaK7Sy487sbA
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[14:37] <kihis> gordonDrogon: the chip is MOC3023
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[15:13] <thpar> Hi all. I'm having troubles enabling wireless on my Pi3 on a Fedora Minimal install. Does anyone have know of a good guide? Which firmware, drivers, ... do I need?
[15:14] <ShorTie> firmware is in the latest linux-firmware, which may not be up to date
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[15:18] <thpar> ShorTie: It's not even very clear which chipset I'm looking for here. Could it be a Broadcom 43xx series WLAN chip?
[15:19] <ShorTie> it's Broadcom, forget the series, but that 1 doesn't ring a bell
[15:19] <ShorTie> 211 ??
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[15:26] <thpar> Wouldn't know. All I see it that iwconfig only shows eth0 and that b43-openfwwf (WLAN Broadcom 43xx) is installed. Stuck here...
[15:27] <ShorTie> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/brcm
[15:28] <ShorTie> 1 of those
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[15:31] <thpar> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/#devicefirmware
[15:31] <thpar> I'll give this a try. The b43 firmware cutter tool seems to be installed
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[15:36] <thpar> ShorTie: just discovered that that list you gave me is in `/lib/firmware/brcm/` and seems up to date.
[15:37] <ShorTie> well that much is good then
[15:38] <thpar> any idea how to get wlan0 to show up then? Maybe I'm missing some basic knowledge here.
[15:39] <ShorTie> Sorry, nop
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[15:39] <thpar> np, thanks!
[15:39] <kihis> thpar: how about ifconfig -a
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[15:45] <thpar> kihis: same as iwconfig
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[15:50] <petn-randall> Can anyone tell me what the plastic wheel is for in the camera module? I assumed it's supposed to clip on the lens, but it doesn't fit.
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[15:53] <BurtyB> err plastic wheel?
[15:54] <petn-randall> BurtyB: top left: http://media.rs-online.com/t_large/F9132673-01.jpg
[15:54] <oq> maybe they're finally providing a way to change the focus
[15:55] <oq> I had to use pliers on mine
[15:55] <petn-randall> hmm, now that I tried it, seems as though you can change focus with it, yes
[15:55] <BurtyB> weird I haven't seen anything like that before heh
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[16:03] <petn-randall> Hmm, it's also fairly easy to screw the lense completely off ...
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[16:13] <kihis> thpar: is there some reason you are going with fedora instead of raspbian?
[16:15] <thpar> kihis: not really. I just use Fedora on daily basis, so it was an easy choice to use their ARM image
[16:15] <kihis> :) i'd go with raspbian, because that is way more supported
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[16:17] <kihis> (and because i have used debian about 15 years)
[16:17] <viju> Is there any issues if I install other OS such as Ubuntu?
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[16:19] <kihis> viju: might be
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[16:25] <viju> I have finally ordered a raspberrypi for me. Pi3 model b
[16:26] <kerio> why not the 0w
[16:26] <viju> I'd stick to the default configs then.
[16:26] <kerio> it's the cutest ;o
[16:26] <kihis> viju: is there some reason to not to go with raspbian?
[16:26] <viju> 0 not available at my place
[16:27] <viju> kihis: I use Ubuntu on the laptop. I thought being on the same platform could help share some ubuntu specific apps/
[16:28] <kerio> it's still going to be a pi-specific ubuntu
[16:28] <kerio> it's not a desktop computer, don't treat it as such
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[16:30] <viju> kerio: I did not order a heatsink. Is it even required?
[16:30] <kerio> no
[16:30] <kerio> if it was required, it would be included
[16:30] <kerio> it can help if your case is particularly small i guess
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[16:31] <viju> I have bought a official raspi case. The red-white case.
[16:32] <oq> kerio: a power supply is required but not included
[16:32] <kerio> oq: fair enough
[16:32] <oq> but yes, those heatsinks for pis are crap
[16:33] <kerio> well, they can sometimes help with the pi3
[16:33] <kerio> but it's not going to be damaged if you don't have those
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[16:35] <viju> I am just going to create some home automation stuff. At the moment just focusing on switchin on and off an LED and eventually the room lights.
[16:35] <viju> using gprs
[16:35] <kerio> that's gonna get expensive quickly ;o
[16:36] <viju> Which part is expensive?
[16:36] <kerio> gprs data
[16:36] <viju> Oh, yes.
[16:37] <kihis> i'm currently dimming on and off an neon bulb. not sure why tho
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[16:39] <daedius> Hey all, noob question for an raspberry pi zero w owner. I recently got this in the mail, plugged in mini sd supposedly pre-installed with some form of NOOBs, put in power usb, hdmi, usb keyboard, but when I plugin in the power to the wall, I see no lights or anything. Any thoughts?
[16:40] <leftyfb> daedius: I would try imaging the sd card with raspbian
[16:40] <kihis> and connecting just sd card and power
[16:40] <daedius> thanks, will do!
[16:41] <kihis> btw. is there any android app to record a video and put it on imgur or some else public image sharing service?
[16:41] <viju> kerio: I actually am thinking of using to switch on a water pump which is around 10kms away from my home. One has to manually go and turn it on and stay there for like an hour and then switch off. Do you think what I am prototyping can help use it for that?
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[16:42] <kerio> viju: sure
[16:42] <kihis> ouch
[16:42] <kerio> but make sure you add a physical timer of sorts
[16:42] <kerio> and some way of checking what's going on
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[16:42] <kerio> "turn on the water" "ok boss" "ok now turn off the water" "error lol"
[16:43] <leftyfb> hm
[16:43] <leftyfb> kerio: "it's not a desktop computer, don't treat it as such"
[16:43] <leftyfb> not sure I agree with this
[16:43] <leftyfb> it depends on your use
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[16:43] <leftyfb> not sure the foundation agrees with you either https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#introWhatIs
[16:44] <leftyfb> everyone uses their pi's differently
[16:44] <viju> Then one has to run back to the farm and turn it off manually lol.
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[16:45] <viju> Sure I'll keep that in mind
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[16:48] <gear4> hallo
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[16:48] <gear4> why's webmin so slow on raspbian ?
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[16:50] <leftyfb> gear4: because it's trying to do too much on a slow system. Why do you think you need webmin?
[16:50] <gear4> no ssh
[16:51] <kihis> uh. didnt even know that webmin still exists
[16:51] <kihis> horrible software
[16:52] <leftyfb> gear4: why don't you have ssh?
[16:52] <gear4> cuz it doesn't work
[16:53] <leftyfb> :/
[16:53] <leftyfb> so because you failed to get something to wokr, you install an entire ecosystem to work around it?
[16:53] <gear4> ya
[16:53] <leftyfb> gear4: why doesn't ssh work?
[16:53] <kihis> :DD
[16:53] <gear4> I disabled it
[16:53] <kihis> ...
[16:54] <gear4> ?
[16:54] <leftyfb> are we going to play this game?
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[16:54] <gear4> what game
[16:54] <leftyfb> gear4: care to explain to us why you disabled ssh and why you think webmin is better for your needs?
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[16:54] <gear4> I don't have a terminal
[16:55] <leftyfb> gear4: do you mean you don't have an ssh client on your computer running Windows?
[16:55] <gear4> I don't use windows
[16:55] <leftyfb> gear4: what do you use?
[16:55] <gear4> archlinux
[16:55] <leftyfb> then you do have a "terminal"
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[16:56] <gear4> nope, I disabled vconsole
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[16:56] <leftyfb> ah, I see
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[16:56] <leftyfb> you're a troll
[16:56] <gear4> ?
[16:56] <leftyfb> congrats on wasting our time
[16:56] <gear4> I disabled vconsole, what do you want me to do ?
[16:56] <gear4> enable it agaimn ?
[16:57] <gear4> jeez dude are you getting salty bc I asked why webmin was slow ?
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[16:58] <kihis> webmin is something you should not be using
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[16:58] <gear4> ye and I got that
[16:58] <gear4> but then he gets salty af
[16:59] <kihis> calm now please. it's slow because it is slow. get rid of it and do configuring via ssh
[17:00] <gear4> I'm calm, laughing actually
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[17:00] <gear4> how can I use ssh without a vconsole
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[17:01] <kihis> gear4: tell me how vconsole is needed to ssh?
[17:02] <gear4> all clients I know of for Linux use vconsole
[17:02] <gear4> unless I use webmin ...
[17:02] <gear4> which has a browser-based terminal
[17:03] <kerio> viju: i'm thinking some side circuit with a builtin timer, that you can turn on from the raspberry pi through the internet
[17:03] * BurtyB wonders what this vconsole thing is
[17:03] <kerio> but that will forcibly turn off after a certain time
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[17:03] <kerio> (if the time is fixed, ofc)
[17:06] <gear4> kihis, so you say that my only solution is to re-implement the vconsole module into my kernel and use SSH ?
[17:06] <kihis> gear4: just enable ssh and go with it
[17:06] <gear4> I can't use SSH on this godddamn computer
[17:06] <gear4> how many times must I say it xD
[17:06] <kerio> i honestly don't understand your plight
[17:07] <gear4> ok, lemme explain it even more
[17:07] <kihis> gear4: is it some kiosk computer with just browser enabled?
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[17:07] <viju> kerio: it's a complex scenario. One has to determine of the field has had enough water then they can turn it off. So, some visual information is required which is not possible without spending more on camera and stuff.
[17:08] <kerio> viju: do it ;o
[17:08] <kerio> it's gonna be awesome
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[17:08] <kerio> also what about moisure sensors
[17:08] <gear4> I used webmin to access terminal on the machine since I've removed vconsole from my kernel (4.10), and because Linux ssh clients require vconsole as a backbone, I can't use them
[17:08] <leftyfb> viju: you could have water/moisture sensors
[17:08] <kerio> and what about just overestimating the amount of water required?
[17:09] <gear4> I haven't had use of vconsole since I finished making all my interfaces in 3.16
[17:09] <kerio> nile delta dat bitch up
[17:09] <kerio> gear4: there's no way your linux kernel has no ptys
[17:10] <kerio> and if it actually doesn't, then it's your fault
[17:10] <gear4> I've had no use of them, I have one console and it's running my UI
[17:10] <kerio> wait
[17:10] <kerio> are you talking about the terminals you get with ctrl+alt+f1 etc
[17:11] <gear4> vconsoles
[17:11] <gear4> and yea I have that
[17:11] <gear4> but only one
[17:11] <kerio> that is... unrelated to ssh?
[17:11] <gear4> which as I said runs my UI
[17:11] <kerio> just use xterm or gnome-terminal or whatever
[17:11] <gear4> I don't have them
[17:11] <kerio> so install them
[17:11] <gear4> can't install them because I have no vconsole
[17:12] <kerio> i have installed xterm on a computer that has literally no video output
[17:12] <gear4> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_console
[17:12] <gear4> look for "virtual consoles"
[17:12] <kerio> humour me
[17:12] <kerio> install xterm
[17:12] <gear4> I don't have those
[17:12] <kerio> with pacman or whatever
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[17:13] <gear4> dude ...
[17:13] <gear4> what do you think "removed" means
[17:13] <BurtyB> and how did you remove them?
[17:13] <kerio> i completely and utterly believe that you didn't compile virtual console support in the kernel
[17:13] <gear4> source modification
[17:13] <leftyfb> he's talking about the vtconsole driver in the linux kernel. He recompiled his kernel to disable the drivers that allow "virtual" consoles and has no ability to bring up a new tty. He obviously knows enough to hurt himself yet will argue till we're all blue in the face that he can't do what he needs because he purposely disabled it.
[17:13] * BurtyB thinks someone really isn't helping themselves here
[17:14] <kerio> leftyfb: even then, i don't think ptys are a thing that can be disabled
[17:14] <leftyfb> gear4: use putty .. I'm pretty sure that doesn't use a virtual console. Otherwise, you have limited yourself. You know this. We cannot help you.
[17:14] <gear4> kerio, if you modify the kernel you can
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[17:14] <kerio> oh yeah using putty would do it
[17:14] <leftyfb> kerio: they are
[17:14] <kerio> yay we did it
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[17:14] <gear4> leftyfb, and I accepted that but you guys keep telling me to use vconsoles
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[17:15] <gear4> which I said time and time again I've disabled
[17:15] <BurtyB> so it's nice weather today isn't it
[17:15] <leftyfb> gear4: I only told you once and quickly realized you're a troll and have no interest in asking for the help you need to work around the environment you yourself have created.
[17:16] <kerio> leftyfb: the pty man page only mentions being able to disable bsd-style ptys
[17:16] <kerio> not the unix98-style ptys
[17:16] <Stromeko> gear4: so then your only way in if ssh doesn't start up is via the serial console, unless you've disabled that also.
[17:16] <leftyfb> kerio: if you disable the vtconsole driver in the kernel, there's no virtual terminals. Just one. Think Windows.
[17:16] <gear4> Stromeko, I can plug in HDMI
[17:17] <kerio> leftyfb: and how is that related to running screen or xterm or whatever
[17:17] <kerio> ?
[17:17] <leftyfb> kerio: all of those create a new session in a "virtual console"
[17:17] <gear4> leftyfb, I think kerio is more thick than I am
[17:17] <kerio> no, all of those create a new session in a *pseudoterminal*
[17:17] <leftyfb> gear4: no, he doesn't understand trolls as much
[17:17] <gear4> I'm not trolling jesus
[17:17] <kerio> virtual console is the thing you get with ctrl+alt+f*
[17:17] <gear4> why are you so hellbent on accusing me of trolling >.<
[17:17] <Stromeko> gear4: HDMI is not an input channel. Without a virtual console any keyboard input you connect to the pi is useless as far as the console is concerned.
[17:18] <gear4> Stromeko, I disabled vconsole on my local PC
[17:18] <leftyfb> gear4: do you have any interest at all in using an ssh client?
[17:18] <gear4> leftyfb, ye
[17:18] <leftyfb> gear4: then try putty
[17:18] <gear4> ye I'm downloading now
[17:18] <leftyfb> great
[17:18] <leftyfb> good luck
[17:18] <gear4> tx
[17:19] <kerio> oh damn, linux actually allows you to disable UNIX98_PTYS at config time
[17:19] <gear4> if this doesn't work I'll just re-enable vconsole
[17:19] <Stromeko> If X11 does start, then great you don't need the console, if not, then you're hosed.
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[17:19] <gear4> X11 starts fine, I've got pty1 only
[17:19] <gear4> no others
[17:19] <kerio> i'm honestly surprised anything is working in your system to be honest
[17:19] <gear4> why
[17:19] <kerio> are you sure you disabled VT and not just VT_CONSOLE when compiling
[17:19] <gear4> yea
[17:20] <gear4> because I've already messed up my PC doing it wrong
[17:20] <kerio> gear4: because *you have no pseudoterminals*
[17:20] <kerio> that is a pretty universal concept in unix
[17:20] <gear4> I modified the source to allow me to only have pty1
[17:20] <gear4> ever
[17:20] <gear4> if you read up I said I did
[17:21] <leftyfb> ok, lets get this over with...
[17:21] <leftyfb> gear4: why?
[17:21] <gear4> never needed it
[17:21] <kerio> can't you just sysctl kernel.pty.max=1024
[17:21] <kerio> or whatever
[17:21] <gear4> nope
[17:21] <kerio> leftyfb: dude chill this is pretty interesting
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[17:21] <gear4> I could install the default or LTS 4.10
[17:21] <kerio> i, for one, had no idea that you could outright disable PTYs in the kernel
[17:21] <kihis> there is nothing interesting
[17:21] <kihis> just some script kiddie trying to be cool
[17:22] <kerio> kihis: i found it interesting :<
[17:22] <leftyfb> kihis: bingo
[17:22] <kihis> "i hAx'd my computer!!!!1"
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[17:22] <leftyfb> and wonders why things don't work
[17:22] <kerio> kihis: how's that even a config option tho
[17:22] <gear4> jeez I asked for why webmin was slow and now I'm a script kiddie trying to be cool ..
[17:22] <kerio> gear4: no, you're a troll
[17:22] <gear4> no I'm not
[17:22] <kerio> because you know exactly what's wrong with your system and yet you pretend to act surprised
[17:23] <gear4> I never said I don't know why I can't use SSH on my PC
[17:23] <kerio> but that's not the point of contention here
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[17:23] <gear4> I said I know I can't and I stated why
[17:23] <gear4> and suddenly I'm trolling ?
[17:23] <kerio> *why the hell does linux support such a concept as "no ptys"*
[17:23] <gear4> for people like me
[17:23] <gear4> that like exploration
[17:23] <kerio> trolls?
[17:24] <gear4> that's why I got the pi, so I can explore some more
[17:24] <kerio> yea good job exploring
[17:24] <gear4> jesus, toxic channel
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[17:24] <gear4> no wonder there's not even 700 people here even with such a large community
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[17:25] <kerio> 700 is insanely huge for an IRC channel
[17:25] <kihis> no. we just like conversation which makes sense
[17:25] <kerio> there's only 80k users on freenode
[17:25] <gear4> how doesn't my needs make sense ?
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[17:26] <gear4> I simply asked why webmin was slow, not why I can't ssh, not why you think I needed vconsole, nothing
[17:26] <gear4> putty works btw, if you'd have just said that there wouldn't be such a fuss
[17:27] <kerio> today, gear4 learned that we are not tech support robots
[17:27] <leftyfb> gear4: next time, try to be a little more forthcoming before wasting people's time. It took exactly 8 questions to you with basically 1 or 2 word answers from you before coming to the conclusion that you have created an environment that limits what you can do, yet you failed to explain any of this in detail.
[17:27] <gear4> I was under the impression I didn't have to explain it
[17:27] <leftyfb> gear4: you do if you want help
[17:27] <gear4> but now I know I have to lay out it easily next time
[17:28] <gear4> I've never had to, even in #ubuntu or #linux-mint or anywhere
[17:28] <gear4> just one or two questions, and I'm fixed
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[17:29] <leftyfb> gear4: Then I apologize for answering your initial question and failed to not care and leave it at that.
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[17:31] <gear4> you called me a troll without any basis
[17:31] <gear4> don't think you cared at all
[17:31] <kihis> please. stop.
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[17:32] <AndreiC7> Hi guys. I'm rying to connect my pi to my laptop using ethernet but I cant install tightvncserver using putty. Is there any way to install it manyally by copying the files to the SD card?
[17:33] <leftyfb> AndreiC7: you'll need to get the pi online to install software the proper way. It's not recommended to just copy binaries over
[17:33] <leftyfb> AndreiC7: Have you tried connecting your pi to your router and ssh'ing to it?
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[17:34] <AndreiC7> I haven't tried that. I connected directly to the laptop using an ethernet cable.
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[17:35] <AndreiC7> At first I thought the date was theproblem, ebcause I checked and it was set as 3rd of march, the date of the latest raspian release. and I changed it using putty but it still didn't work
[17:35] <kerio> AndreiC7: if you just connected the pi to your laptop
[17:35] <kerio> how was it supposed to get internet?
[17:36] <kihis> AndreiC7: oh. does it work if you ping from pi?
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[17:36] <leftyfb> AndreiC7: try connecting the pi to your router so it can get online. Then ssh to it and use raspi-config to enable vnc
[17:36] <kihis> (via putty)
[17:36] <leftyfb> AndreiC7: it won't. Unless he configured his laptop to act as a router for devices plugged into the ethernet port
[17:36] <AndreiC7> when I ping it says connect: Network is unreachable
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[17:36] <leftyfb> AndreiC7: try connecting the pi to your router so it can get online. Then ssh to it and use raspi-config to enable vnc
[17:37] <kerio> just connect the pi to the router, yeah
[17:37] <kerio> raspberrypi.local should still work
[17:37] <AndreiC7> all right, I'll try connecting it to the router. But I did it with the laptop and the ethernet cable before two weeks ago and it worked just fine. I don't know what happened
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[17:39] <kihis> AndreiC7: which os do you use at laptop?
[17:39] <leftyfb> Not unless you had your laptop to act as a router for devices plugged into your ethernet port. Or you had wifi setup on the pi connected to your router. Though at that point it still probably wouldn't work right because the pi would choose the ethernet port for it's default route
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[17:40] <AndreiC7> I have windows 10
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[17:40] <kihis> never mind then. :) you have to configure windows to route connections from ethernet to internet
[17:41] <kihis> no idea how to do that. did it work without configuring when it last worked fine?? :o
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[17:42] <AndreiC7> I used many totorials and youtube videos last time, and I'm new at pi, and linux, and stuff like that. So I don't remember everything I did. I;m trying the router way now
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[17:44] <kerio> AndreiC7: honestly that's the simplest way
[17:44] <kerio> and also probably the more stable long-term thing
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[17:45] <AndreiC7> I think it's working :D
[17:46] <kerio> woo
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[17:50] <AndreiC7> It worked! Thank you guys very much! I was struggling with this for hours
[17:50] <kihis> =)
[17:50] <stiv> AndreiC7, start keeping a notebook for your changes, settings and passwords
[17:50] <kihis> when you configure routing in windows it might not be permanent
[17:52] <AndreiC7> Well it won't be connected to my laptop for long. I'm actually trying to connect the pi to a rooted kindle so I can use the e-ink screen for distraction free writing, like a digital typewriter. But in order to do that I need to install some things on the Pi
[17:53] <kihis> :o cool project
[17:53] <AndreiC7> yeah I bought the Pi specifically for this. people online call it a KindleberryPi
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[18:04] <Tatou> What are some cool uses of a pi?
[18:04] <Tatou> By cool, I mean actually useful, that I can use in my flat.
[18:04] <kerio> media center
[18:04] <kerio> home server for a vpn endpoint
[18:04] <Tatou> Yes. I will use it for media. What else?
[18:05] <kerio> connect it to some dumb appliance in your home and make it smart
[18:05] <kerio> whatever that means
[18:06] <Tatou> I have no appliances
[18:06] <kerio> not even a toaster? D:
[18:06] <Tatou> No
[18:07] <kerio> surely you have lights tho
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[18:09] <kihis> umm. i'm (still) trying to get that display working with pi: http://www.buydisplay.com/download/manual/ERC240160-1_Series_Datasheet.pdf
[18:10] <kihis> any hints to wiring: http://pastebin.com/wCdZP5aU
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[18:10] <kihis> (pins are found from page 8)
[18:11] <Tatou> kerio: I considered something to open/close my blinds
[18:11] <Tatou> kerio: It's one of those things that spins..
[18:12] <leftyfb> kerio: backup server, timelapse camera, security cameras, media center, emulation game system, Sonos-like audio system, custom alarm clock, home automation, vpn server
[18:13] <kerio> why are you telling me D;
[18:13] <Ivoah> Is it possible to use a bluetooth keyboard with the raspberry pi just on the framebuffer console?
[18:13] <leftyfb> sorry
[18:13] <leftyfb> wrong person :)
[18:13] <kerio> Ivoah: it should
[18:13] <leftyfb> Ivoah: yes
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[18:14] <leftyfb> Ivoah: to be honest, I'm not sure I understand how that would work otherwise
[18:14] <Ivoah> leftyfb: I wasn't sure if you needed to start X to connect the keyboard
[18:14] <leftyfb> nope
[18:15] <Ivoah> or even if it could connect somehow it wasn't connected like a "normal" keyboard and only X could understand it
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[18:15] <leftyfb> Ivoah: X is not a requirement for a bluetooth keyboard to connect and function
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[18:15] <Ivoah> awesome, thanks for the quick answer
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> It should, and it does are not the same thing though
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> If the normal stack is setup to be configured over X, then the fact that in principle it doesn't need to use X doesn't help you a lot
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> BT in the past has been really annoying to configure. I would be surprised if it's in 'just works' state.
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[18:19] <leftyfb> SpeedEvil: I have a friend who easily setup his BT keyboard on a console-only pi.
[18:19] <leftyfb> it should be faily simple
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:19] <leftyfb> fairly*
[18:19] <ali1234> there used to be a console daemon for entering bluetooth pins, i'd be surprised if it is set up properly on the pi
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[18:21] <kerio> pins are fine
[18:21] <kerio> how do you actually deal with the devices tho
[18:21] <kerio> ali1234: bluetoothctl; agent on; default-agent
[18:22] <kerio> it works fine
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[18:31] <kihis> arrgh. why this is so hard
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[18:38] <ali1234> shiftplusone: can triggerhappyd use the GPIO or is it just for keyboard events? why is it installed on jessie lite, and what exactly is it used for?
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[18:42] <gordonDrogon> I think it's used to boot into noobs on a noobs system, but it was used to force the overclocking off at boot time
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> and from what I gather, it uses /dev/input* type devices.
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[18:43] <gordonDrogon> I tend to remove it on my installs.
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[19:18] <redrabbit> anybody tried uart over bluetooth to get a shell
[19:18] <redrabbit> or PAN to use ssh
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[19:20] <Valduare> i use PAN for cooking :)
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[19:25] <r0ck> I also use pan for cooking
[19:25] <r0ck> its a good think to be honest
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[19:28] <redrabbit> that kind of pan dont do tcp ip
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[19:31] <kerio> redrabbit: i'd really like to
[19:31] <kerio> but bluez5 is a gigantic mess
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[19:32] <redrabbit> that's what i figured from my first attempts
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> hm. lost my stripboard cutter. it comes to something when it's almost easier to get a pcb made up when all you want is a quick stripboard for a little project...
[19:32] <redrabbit> but i really really want
[19:32] <kerio> ye me too
[19:32] <redrabbit> me more
[19:32] <redrabbit> :p
[19:32] <redrabbit> lol
[19:32] <kerio> either a serial console over rfcomm, or just some PAN networking
[19:33] <kerio> either NAP or GN
[19:33] <redrabbit> yeah that'd be great
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[19:34] <redrabbit> kerio: http://stackoverflow.com/a/40579423
[19:34] <redrabbit> this is the best ressource i found so far
[19:34] <Voop> do they sell trackpoint modules
[19:34] <redrabbit> flimsy
[19:35] <Voop> that arent built in to the key matrix
[19:35] <redrabbit> kerio: are you ready to try this ? take one for the team
[19:35] <redrabbit> jk lol
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[19:37] <redrabbit> im on the fence to do the setup as its described
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[19:45] <redrabbit> that would allow me to use my pi0w from the battery without using a second dongle as an ap
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[20:51] <fred1807> how to make xorg use GPU ?
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[21:00] <statusfailed> I've got a model 2B - does it have a text mode like my PC? (i.e., is there a 80x25 character memory buffer somewhere I can write to and get characters on the screen?)
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[21:10] <teepee> statusfailed: no, I don't think so, see http://www.valvers.com/open-software/raspberry-pi/step05-bare-metal-programming-in-c-pt5/
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[21:20] <statusfailed> teepee: awesome, that article is exactly what i needed! thanks :-)
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[21:24] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: i made a systemd unit around wiringpi "wfi" https://github.com/ali1234/systemd-gpio
[21:24] <ali1234> i think this is the simplest way to make buttons "do stuff"
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[21:34] <gordonDrogon> possibly. unless you don't run systemd.
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[21:36] <ali1234> yes, but youd have to go out of your way for that :)
[21:36] <ali1234> so it would be more complex from the start
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[21:51] <gordonDrogon> it still depends what you're used to. systemd is still very new to a lot of people. on my Pi's that I want to do stuff from a shell script to e.g. run halt, I simply have one shell script per function.
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> wiringpid won't come with anything to work under systemd either. (not will it come with anything to work under sysv init either for that matter). left as an excercise to the user...
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[22:24] <fred1807> is dtoverlay=vc4-kms-v3d installed in kernel model already or I still need to recomple the kernel?
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[22:40] <Sleepnbum> Are there any performance differences between running raspistill vs picamera?
[22:40] <HrdwrBoB> in what respect
[22:40] <waveform> Sleepnbum, some but not much. Basically all the camera processing happens on the GPU no matter what you're using
[22:41] <waveform> in picamera there's some overhead from Python handling data from the camera before outputting it to the disk but that's about it
[22:41] <Sleepnbum> I guess my biggest concern is that when running in signal mode, I minimize the delay to capture
[22:41] <waveform> also picamera is *much* slower to initialize the camera (takes the best part of 1 second) vs raspistill because there's a ton of C calls to make and picamera's using ctypes to interface to MMAL (which is quite slow)
[22:42] <HrdwrBoB> there you go
[22:42] <waveform> however that won't make much difference to capture time - the biggest delay there is that the camera doesn't capture an image when you tell it to
[22:43] <Sleepnbum> ^ what causes that delay?
[22:43] <Sleepnbum> or what are some of the biggest factors
[22:43] <Sleepnbum> Im running on gigabit signal mode
[22:43] <waveform> have a read through this: http://picamera.readthedocs.io/en/release-1.13/fov.html <-- that'll give you a much better idea of what's going on under the hood
[22:43] <Sleepnbum> sometimes have 300 ms delay to capture
[22:43] <Sleepnbum> awesome, thanks!
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[22:44] <Sleepnbum> thank you too, HrdwrBob
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[23:00] <UnderSampled> Hello
[23:01] <UnderSampled> Been looking a while now, but no good answers :/ What is the recommended minimal image to use on an rpi 3, where I'll set the wifi password on the sd card, then ssh to set up a webserver?
[23:02] <UnderSampled> I'd be fine if it was docker containers all the way down :P
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[23:04] <oq> UnderSampled: raspbian lite
[23:04] <[Saint]> UnderSampled: Raspbian Lite offered right off the DL page.
[23:04] <[Saint]> ooooh, beaten by 5 seconds.
[23:04] <[Saint]> Curse my verbosity.
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[23:12] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: gpio mode up/down imply in right?
[23:13] <ali1234> hmm... no
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> ali1234, no - it just fiddles with the internal pull up/down resistors.
[23:14] <UnderSampled> ok, how do I do the wifi bit?
[23:14] * [Saint] points out this is all documented
[23:14] <ali1234> UnderSampled: put a wpa_supplicant.conf on /boot
[23:15] <[Saint]> note: this may not help you.
[23:16] <[Saint]> There's edge cases where you just plain _can't_ set up wifi from the sdcard on a fresh boot.
[23:16] <[Saint]> the wifi locale is set to GB, so if you're in a locale that has extended channels, and your AP is using them...obviously it'll never see it.
[23:17] <ali1234> the country is in wpa_supplicant.conf
[23:17] <ali1234> if you supply one on /boot, it just overwrites the default one
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> ali1234, fwiw, the only thing in wiringPi that does an explicit pin mode change is the gpio blink command ...
[23:18] <ali1234> implicit you mean
[23:18] <ali1234> ?
[23:19] <[Saint]> Oh, ah, right. Yeah, it is. *whistles*
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[23:22] <redrabbit> UnderSampled if you want something automatic i have made this script https://designdesk.org/linux/autorpi-image-maker
[23:23] <leftyfb> also pibakery
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[23:24] <ali1234> if you want something super-minimal i made this: https://github.com/ali1234/multistrap-experiments
[23:26] <[Saint]> While you're not wrong, I generally prefer the safer route.
[23:26] <[Saint]> Perhaps it's a crap view to have, but I kinda feel like if you're asking the question, you're probably not going to have the necessary skills to manage or secure such a minimal environment.
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[23:26] <[Saint]> It's a fine line, learning is good, but so can sometimes aving an end user from themselves be.
[23:26] <[Saint]> *saving
[23:27] <ali1234> yeah my minimal image doesn't even have a root password
[23:27] <redrabbit> my image maker force you to change password
[23:27] <redrabbit> change username
[23:27] <redrabbit> and you can block ssh without key, put your ssh key..
[23:27] <ali1234> mine can only be accessed through a serial terminal
[23:28] <[Saint]> I have one that's pretty much just kernel, tiny initramfs, and busybox.
[23:28] <redrabbit> it does everything you'd do to have a properly secured box
[23:28] <UnderSampled> yeah, I have the skills, it's just for whatever reason quite hard to determine that raspbian lite is in fact minimal, or the fact it will autocopy wpa_supplicant from /boot
[23:28] <ali1234> me too, but i like being able to install debian packages
[23:28] <[Saint]> you'd need to do serious work just to get package and user management.
[23:28] <[Saint]> (in mine, I mean)
[23:28] <ali1234> yeah, that's why i start with multistrap
[23:28] * [Saint] nods
[23:29] <ali1234> mines for embedded devices that users never log in to
[23:29] <ali1234> at least, not unix users
[23:29] <ali1234> would be trivial to set a random root password or something, but its for devel mode
[23:30] <redrabbit> mine is for general use, just does that stuff you'd have to do manually otherwise
[23:30] <ali1234> eg embedded video player... where its physically locked in a box and not on any network
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[23:36] <[Saint]> redrabbit: I take it you mean "secure", because I sincerely doubt it doesn't everything /I'd/ do to have a properly secured box.
[23:36] <[Saint]> "secure" as in "general, end user secure"
[23:37] <[Saint]> Not "secure from a multi-faceted standpoint" secure.
[23:38] <[Saint]> SOme of it is outdated, most not. But if you like, you could look at https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/
[23:38] <[Saint]> I'd be happy to talk about some of the more esoteric mitigation techniques if you like.
[23:40] <ali1234> "removing perl"
[23:41] <ali1234> i hate perl, any exuse to remove it...
[23:41] <[Saint]> noexec /tmp, and /dev/shm are too large ones. And bind mounting the other various */tmp's that may exist to /tmp are a good start.
[23:42] <[Saint]> RO /usr never hurt anyone either.
[23:42] <[Saint]> *two large ones
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[23:43] <[Saint]> dpkg has your back with noexec /tmp with some simple apt.conf/apt.conf.d/* magic
[23:43] <[Saint]> but RO /usr management requires a wrapper.
[23:43] <ali1234> what if / is a ramdisk though?
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[23:43] <ali1234> i guess it still mounts /tmp separately
[23:44] <[Saint]> well, then the values will be superfluous. but it won't hurt anything.
[23:44] <[Saint]> I don't think / ever has any way of knowing if it's tmpfs or not?
[23:45] <[Saint]> Hummm...I guess it might at higher levels.
[23:45] <[Saint]> Either way, putting in default fstab entries for /tmp and /dev/shm won't break the world.
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[23:47] <[Saint]> You can also set apt.conf.d/* to manage RO /user, but same with noexec /tmp it'll need a wrapper script or to be poked manually if you want to write or execute from there outside of dpkg.
[23:47] <[Saint]> ...which you shouldn't realistically be doing.
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[23:47] <[Saint]> Well, this depends on the use case, but I'm still talking "end-user-fit" here.
[23:48] <ali1234> for a release build i would just remove apt entirely
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[23:48] <[Saint]> Yeah, see, I'm still talking about securing it for an end-user-fit purpose.
[23:48] <[Saint]> It's possible to walk a line down the middle of secure and user-fit.
[23:48] <ali1234> i'm not interested in that use case at all ... someone else can deal with that :)
[23:48] <[Saint]> ...difficult, perhaps, but possible.
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[23:48] <[Saint]> Yeah, fair.
[23:49] <[Saint]> If you haven't read it already, it's worh going over. Even if only as a refresher.
[23:49] <ali1234> making a system secure but still allowing the user to do whatever they want seems like an unsolvable problem to me
[23:49] <[Saint]> For yourself I imagine a lot of it would be "duhhh..." stuff, as it is me. But I still occasionally notice things and learn from it.
[23:50] <ali1234> similar to the DRM paradox
[23:50] <[Saint]> A great deal of it is what I feel to be common sense, though.
[23:50] <[Saint]> But Debian waters down common sense for usability.
[23:50] <[Saint]> They have since...forever.
[23:51] <[Saint]> People just starting out will probably get the most use out of the PAM and cgroups sections.
[23:52] <[Saint]> As well as the 'mounting partitions correctly' chapter.
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[23:53] <[Saint]> it's also well suited for managed systems. auditing multi-user boxes.
[23:54] <hmoney> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=178581&p=1137784
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[23:55] <ali1234> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[23:56] <ali1234> devtmpfs on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,nosuid,size=318492k,nr_inodes=79623,mode=755)
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[23:56] <ali1234> oh, there's nothing on /tmp
[23:57] <[Saint]> tmpfs /var/log tmpfs defaults,noatime,size=64m 0 0
[23:57] <[Saint]> now there is!
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[23:57] <[Saint]> also, don't forget /var/tmp:
[23:58] <[Saint]> /tmp /var/tmp none bind,noatime,nodev,noexec,nosuid,rw 0 0
[23:58] <ali1234> no space left on device. hmm
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[23:58] <ali1234> its doing that thing where it makes / really small again
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