#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2017-03-27

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <[Saint]> does raspbian's devtmps have max_size set in defaults like $OTHER_DISTRO?
[0:01] <ali1234> i dunno, where am i looking?
[0:02] <ali1234> http://paste.debian.net/924498/
[0:02] <ali1234> only /proc is in fstab
[0:03] <ali1234> /etc/default/tmpfs has everything commented
[0:04] <[Saint]> yeah, but 'defaults' is ...
[0:04] <[Saint]> ah, ok. right.
[0:04] <HrdwrBoB> commented means it's the default
[0:04] <[Saint]> thanks, I was away from an easy way to check that
[0:04] <HrdwrBoB> uncomment and change = change the setting
[0:04] * [Saint] nods.
[0:04] <[Saint]> yes, yes it does.
[0:04] <HrdwrBoB> it's so you can tell the difference between forced default and default from the actual process
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[0:05] <ali1234> oh right, i can make it mount /tmp from this
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[0:06] <[Saint]> I was just curious about devtmpfs
[0:06] <[Saint]> and if it has a maximum allocation limit like tmpfs does.
[0:06] <[Saint]> seems it either doesn't, or it inherits it from tmpfs.
[0:07] <[Saint]> I wouldn't like to think it doesn't, so I'd guess the latter.
[0:07] <[Saint]> happy to be corrected.
[0:08] <[Saint]> ali1234: a default you might be interested in setting is the overflow limit for tmpfs.
[0:08] <[Saint]> it lets the system manage tmpfs /tmp depending on the available freespace in /
[0:09] <ali1234> yeah, i just saw that
[0:09] <ali1234> default is 1024
[0:09] <ali1234> so 1MB
[0:09] <[Saint]> :-S
[0:09] <ali1234> but... / is in ram too
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[0:10] <[Saint]> So bit of a moot point then, lol.
[0:10] <[Saint]> But not useless if you assume the user pivots to disk for...$reasons.
[0:10] <[Saint]> I guess.
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[0:13] <ShanShen_pi> Any suggestions for a good light-weight mp3 player for an old Pi?
[0:13] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[0:13] <HrdwrBoB> any
[0:13] <HrdwrBoB> depends what you want to do
[0:13] <ShanShen_pi> Just play mp3s.
[0:13] <HrdwrBoB> mpg123 :)
[0:13] <[Saint]> mpg123
[0:13] <[Saint]> heh, snap
[0:14] <ball> ShanShen_pi: "amp"?
[0:14] <HrdwrBoB> doesn't get much lighter weight than that
[0:14] <[Saint]> I guess now we should check if he actually means LAME and isn;t using mp3s as a synonym for "arbitrary codec in arbitrary container that happens to be audio".
[0:14] <HrdwrBoB> I remember using mpg123 wayyyyyyyyy back when to play mp3s on my 486
[0:15] <ShanShen_pi> :) Thank you, all!
[0:15] <[Saint]> In my experience to most users "audio" == "mp3".
[0:15] <[Saint]> doesn't really matter if it's LAME or not.
[0:15] <ShanShen_pi> LOL, I mean .mp3 files not music in general
[0:15] <[Saint]> Just checkin' ;)
[0:16] <ShanShen_pi> You are a saint.
[0:16] <HrdwrBoB> but to most user they want a GUI as well :P
[0:16] <[Saint]> I am not. That's kinda the point of the username.
[0:16] <[Saint]> It's...ironic art.
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[0:59] <redrabbit> ali1234: i found a software based solution to my regenerative modules issues
[0:59] <redrabbit> there's an "end transmission" code that comes after an order
[0:59] <redrabbit> i just added it to the sequence and now its reliable
[1:00] <redrabbit> i added a little dupont cable as the antenna its fine
[1:00] <redrabbit> i can hear it in the speakers
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[1:12] <dtype> in case anyone is interested, bonnie++ benchmarks from a pi3b on Sandisk Ultra MicroSD, Sandisk Extreme MicroSD, and a Sandisk Ultra USB stick
[1:12] <dtype> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/qW6Kn3Cx/
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[1:14] <[Saint]> dtype: looks like you're using the default 50MHz sdhost clock
[1:15] <[Saint]> (hint: don't)
[1:16] <[Saint]> It's tied to arm_core, and stability will vary in individual cases, but I assure you you've got more legroom on those cards.
[1:16] <dtype> ok, will have to look up what is generally considered stable.
[1:16] <dtype> [Saint]: does your statement hold true if I expected this thing to be a moderate write little server for, let's say, 5+ years?
[1:18] <dtype> i'm not particularly fond with moving off of the base tested case for something like storage, unless this is just what 75% of people do, and if that's so, why isn't it the default case? :)
[1:18] <[Saint]> Why would it not? You're not increasing the frequency of writes.
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[1:19] <[Saint]> it's not the default because there's no reliable way to test for UHS compliance and this is designed to work across a wide range of cards.
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[1:21] <[Saint]> With either of those cards you shouldn't have an issue with sdhost at 100MHz /in principle/.
[1:22] <[Saint]> But not all cards, even in the same batch, are created equally.
[1:22] <[Saint]> You'd probably want to try 64 and 82MHz respectively first.
[1:23] <[Saint]> (or just 60, and 80 - it'll be rounded out to the nearest clock divisor)
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[1:25] <[Saint]> The pi3 is clocked rather low compared to what most units will tolerate.
[1:26] <kerio> overclock your sd card
[1:26] <kerio> #yolo
[1:27] * [Saint] points out that doing so is no different to any UHS-II compliant reader.
[1:27] <[Saint]> But...hey, lets blindly dismiss things.
[1:27] <[Saint]> WHynot, eh?
[1:27] <kerio> hold on, if it's impossible to test for UHS compliance, how's anyone supposed to take advantage of it
[1:28] <[Saint]> No one said it was impossible.
[1:29] <kerio> "it's not the default because there's no reliable way to test for UHS compliance"
[1:29] <dtype> i have a pi install I care less about than the others, so will give it a go
[1:29] <[Saint]> Yes. Which != "impossible".
[1:29] <[Saint]> It does however rely on cards accurately reporting their supported configurations.
[1:30] <[Saint]> Which with the state of sd media is laughable at best.
[1:31] <[Saint]> If you _know_ you have a UHS-II compliant sdcard, there's no harm done here.
[1:32] <kerio> i would try overclocking that bus but if it fails to work i have to actually go and grab the microsd card to edit config.txt
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[1:33] <kerio> which is way too much of a hassle
[1:33] <dtype> I think my sandisk extreme only claims to be UHS-I
[1:33] <dtype> although likely reliably so with this card
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[1:36] <[Saint]> It'll /probably/ run reliably at 80MHz, or even 100MHz. I can say that *my* SanDisk Ultra and Extreme do, but it's very much in "YMMV" territory.
[1:36] <oq> it's not like UHS-II is relevent at all, it requires extra pins
[1:36] <oq> UHS-I is the 100mhz mode
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[1:40] <[Saint]> oq: Yes. You're right. It's probably observational bias but in my experience the UHS-II specced cards seem to be broadly more robust with this "just crank up the sdhost clock and see how it deals with it" method.
[1:41] <dtype> updated with test @100Mhz
[1:41] <dtype> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/jzHjgDFE/
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[1:41] <[Saint]> I have a couple of cards that profess to be UHS-I compliant that won't have a bar of anything over 80MHz.
[1:42] <oq> [Saint]: you seem to be drawing conclusions based on nothing...
[1:42] <dtype> I'd love to see some writeup somewhere that concluded something better than "works for me"
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[1:44] <dtype> i like that it is faster, but in my next billion writes, will it be the same level of reliability? (and ok that it might be if the card actually supports that bus frequency)
[1:44] <[Saint]> oq: it's almost as if I said that individual mileage varies and I probably drew my conclusions from observational bias.
[1:44] <[Saint]> that's spooky man. how /do/ you do it?
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[1:47] <dtype> probably different if I'm using this as a desktop or hobby. If I'm embedding the thing in some remote location as a controller, and getting to it takes a couple hours of my time (or worse), then I'm not sure I'm going with changes on this. would love to see some kind of writeup, but can't seem to see anything beyond individual attempts online so far
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[1:48] <dtype> does UHS-I mean that the card at least is supposed to support SDR100 every time?
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[1:49] <dtype> SDR104 that is
[1:49] <[Saint]> dtype: all one can really say is that - you're not magically increasing the number of reads or writes, and your hardware is specced for these clocks.
[1:49] <[Saint]> But I can also add to it that I've had weird failures based on no obvious metrics with this.
[1:49] <[Saint]> And, yes.
[1:50] <[Saint]> You shouldn't be relying on an sdcard as a sole point of data in any case though, and sd media is cheap as hell, so I do think it's largely a moot point.
[1:50] <dtype> sandisk claims "90MB/sec" which would only be possible with SDR104+
[1:50] <dtype> not worried about ruining the media
[1:51] <oq> dtype: they could just be fibbing entirely about that speed anyway
[1:51] <dtype> worried I'm going to stick this thing in a building 30 miles away and it will have reliability problems. :)
[1:51] <dtype> oq: true, although sandisk extreme cards are at least on the upper end of the normal tested scale
[1:52] <dtype> oq: and they get a LOT of field testing with photographers and videographers, who attest to the normally fast speed
[1:52] <[Saint]> dtype: if you're doing a remote installation you probably shouldn;t be relying on media full stop and should look into PXE boot, unless of course this is going to be wireless, which would be problematic.
[1:53] <dtype> [Saint]: don't have the option in this case
[1:53] <dtype> now I need to see what some high end video equipment would clock at, since that gets a lot of field use with sandisk extremes
[1:53] <[Saint]> don't have the option to...?
[1:54] <dtype> no pxe
[1:54] <[Saint]> insofar as you simply haven't, can't, or won't set up a PXE boot server?
[1:54] <[Saint]> 'cos, the pi supports this natively with trivial setup.
[1:54] <dtype> in as much as I'm putting this in as a standalone server in a spot in which I control no other network resources
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[1:55] <[Saint]> it just needs a wired path to the outside world.
[1:55] <dtype> so unless I want to run a second pi as the pxe server, I'm out of luck. :)
[1:56] <dtype> ah, could consider, but probably won't do in this case
[1:56] <[Saint]> you really want USB for general stability of network boot isn't a (trivial) option.
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[1:57] <[Saint]> But if you also want high throughput through attached USB devices or ethernet, it's a compromise.
[1:57] <[Saint]> curse of the single shared USB2 bus.
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[1:57] <dtype> i have another application for which I'm using an attached usb key for the higher write storage
[1:57] <[Saint]> s/of/if/
[1:59] <dtype> anyway, tx for the sd clock pointer. Will look at some further reading to decide if it is something I want to consider. Likely won't for cases where this would just be a boot drive with no real performance needs. But seems an option if the use case would improve with better mmc i/o.
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[2:01] <[Saint]> rx
[2:02] <dtype> it did certainly show considerable gains in throughput and moderate ones in iops
[2:03] <brianx> has anyone got a realtek RTL8153 or RTL8153B based usb nic that they could run an iperf on? i'm trying to see what kind of performance might be expected.
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[2:47] <redrabbit> anybody tried to use https://github.com/seemoo-lab/nexmon on the rpi0w for to enable mon mode ? i get Platform not supported! at the source setup_env.sh step :c
[2:48] <dtrainor> i have a little gpio example working on raspbian. that was nice to see after thinking there was something wrong with the raspi while running fedora 25 on it.
[2:49] <redrabbit> armv7l on nexmon and pi0w is armv6l
[2:50] <redrabbit> so its pi3 only
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[2:50] <redrabbit> guess mon mode on the pi0w is gonna stay a fantasy then
[2:50] <oq> redrabbit: doesn't pi2 have the same soc as the pi3 now?
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[2:51] <[Saint]> the requirements here /do/ seem arbitrary.
[2:51] <redrabbit> https://github.com/seemoo-lab/nexmon/blob/master/setup_env.sh
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[2:52] <[Saint]> redrabbit: yeah, I was looking at that, looks to me like you should just be able to change the exported kernel value and then let the ifdef block fall through.
[2:53] <redrabbit> there's no armv6l files in buildtools/
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[2:54] <redrabbit> i thought about using $PLATFORMUNAME == "armv7l" > armv6l to force the setup to run but it seems like a gamble
[2:54] <dtrainor> i'm looking at examples for doing gpio, some examples are written for pi, others for pi2 and pi3. i'm using a pi2. from what i can tell, pi2 and pi3 gpio pins are the same - offer the same numbering, voltage, location etc. what should i be interested in if i want to experiment with some of these gpio examples that use a rpi instead of an rpi2 or rpi3? i understand there are fewer gpio pins on the rpi than pi2 or pi3 - do they m
[2:54] <dtrainor> atch 1-for-1 from pi to pi2/3 with the exception that there are more pins on the latter?
[2:55] <dtrainor> (i hope I'm asking that question the right way)
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[2:55] <redrabbit> i taking the bullet.. trying it
[2:56] <brianx> what language/ environment are you using gpio from dtrainor?
[2:56] <dtrainor> python on raspbian
[2:56] <dtrainor> python2 to be more specific, if that matters
[2:56] <brianx> the pins all match except for the very oldest pi b machines.
[2:56] <dtrainor> the only real experience i have is with ardunio, trying to brain between arduino and raspberry pi 2 gpio
[2:56] <dtrainor> oh ok
[2:57] <redrabbit> Makefile:135: recipe for target 'gen/ucode_compressed.bin' failed
[2:57] <redrabbit> ew
[2:57] <redrabbit> i guess im gonna stop now before everything breaks
[2:57] <brianx> the language makes all the difference in use. i don't python but might have been able to help for C without a driver or daemon.
[2:58] <dtrainor> oh no worries, i guess i was asking more about the hardware
[2:58] <[Saint]> language only makes a difference if you're using a gpio library, which is entirely optional.
[2:58] <dtrainor> particularly regarding the BMC method or the "numbered" method of pin ordering or reference
[2:58] <brianx> [Saint]: exactly.
[2:58] <[Saint]> absolutely nothing stopping you from twiddling gpio direct from /dev
[2:59] <dtrainor> right
[2:59] <[Saint]> at that point, hell, do it in BASIC for all the OS cares.
[2:59] <dtrainor> i've seen a lot of examples use /sys, not /dev, maybe there's something i haven't read yet
[2:59] <dtrainor> haha
[2:59] <dtrainor> right, well part of my project was to become a better python developer, that's why i'm not using arduino any more
[2:59] <brianx> or direct with the hardware like you might on avr.
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[3:00] <[Saint]> ah, wait - yeah, derp. /sys/class/gpio is guaranteed to be present.
[3:00] <[Saint]> /dev/pigpio isn't
[3:01] <dtrainor> right
[3:01] <dtrainor> oh well, learning experiences
[3:01] <dtrainor> time to blow some stuff up
[3:01] <brianx> that's all via kernel. you can also bypass the kernel.
[3:02] <dtrainor> most of the sensors, relays, and various components i had sourced were arduino compatible so i knew they were good with a 5v input, seeing now as i only have 3.3v with raspi then i'll need to make sure either the components can still operate at 3.3v or provide an external source for them
[3:04] <brianx> level conversion is a whole nother subject... from dividers to fets, there are many choices.
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[3:05] <dtrainor> excellent, i'll read up on that.
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[3:06] <grummund> Hi, After reboot, systemd fails to start logind...
[3:06] * grummund can mount and chroot to the sd image
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[3:07] <grummund> any ideas what to check? (google suggests it may be an issue with dbus)
[3:08] <[Saint]> grummund: after a reboot after you did _what_ exactly?
[3:08] <[Saint]> If the answer to that is in fact "absolutely nothing", it doesn't bode well.
[3:08] <grummund> well nothing much recently, it had been running 24/7
[3:08] <[Saint]> If it's not, the the what and the why would be relevant.
[3:08] <HrdwrBoB> eyyy
[3:08] <HrdwrBoB> my 7" touchscreen arrived
[3:09] <HrdwrBoB> excitement and adventure!
[3:09] <[Saint]> The fairly obvious guess if it didn't coincide with any obvious system or configuration update is that it shat the filesystem.
[3:10] <grummund> how can i check that theory?
[3:10] <[Saint]> Which...happens. Mount externally if you can and throw fsck.ext at it and see what pops up.
[3:11] <dtrainor> hmm.. i think i have an eMMC that I was using with an ODROID board a while ago.... wonder if i can make that work with raspi
[3:12] <grummund> the / and /boot partitions are mounted as /dev/loop0 and /dev/loop1
[3:12] <brianx> dtrainor: emmc would be nice, but there is no interface for it.
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[3:13] <dtrainor> it was a kit, had the eMMC storage component and a microsd adapter
[3:13] <brianx> oh. losing the emmc interface would not be nice.
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[3:14] <dtrainor> i'm gonna go dig it out of a box and see if i can just write an image to it and boot it
[3:15] <brianx> i hope you get improved performance but i have doubts.
[3:15] <dtrainor> i really hope so too
[3:15] <dtrainor> i'll let ya know, brb
[3:16] <brianx> maybe overclocking the sd interface will help.
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[3:18] <brianx> on the topic of performance, I'm going to repost my question: has anyone got a realtek RTL8153 or RTL8153B based usb nic that they could run an iperf on? i'm trying to see what kind of performance might be expected.
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[3:20] <dtrainor> i just found a box of rtl8139's while i was digging for this eMMC, but no RTL8153 haha
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[3:20] <dtrainor> and a box of arduinos, and a few odroids
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[3:26] <PaulVern> why does reicast (dreamcast emulator) run some games at full speed on the rPI 3, but those same games are choppy on my Xperia Z4 tablet (which has better specs)?
[3:27] <PaulVern> I've been playing a lot of DC, and am flying soon, I wanted to continue playing on the flight
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[3:33] <grummund> which flight sim?
[3:34] <PaulVern> nah, I mean I'll be on a plane in real life, so I can't bring my raspberry pi3
[3:34] <PaulVern> so I want to get the emu working on android
[3:34] <PaulVern> on my tablet
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[3:38] <brianx> dtrainor: thank you for looking.
[3:38] <dtrainor> brianx, copying the raspbian image to the eMMC was more than 4x faster than to the UHS-I microsd card
[3:38] <dtrainor> sure, my pleasure. thought i might have had one.
[3:38] <dtrainor> ah it's a class 10 card
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[3:39] <Valduare> PaulVern: you can take your pi 3 on a plane
[3:39] <brianx> the pc may be very different from the pi through the adapter.
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[3:40] <PaulVern> Valdure: lol, I don't have a screen though
[3:40] <PaulVern> and someone might think I'm makinga bomb
[3:41] <Valduare> there’s some handheld raspberry pi emulationstation setups
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[3:41] <Valduare> pi girrl and such
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[3:42] <PaulVern> yeah, but the Z4 tablet's specs are much greater than the rPI3, so it should play games at least as well
[3:43] <PaulVern> it plays N64 better than the rPI3 does for example
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[3:46] <dtrainor> brianx, benchmakrs if you're interested https://gist.github.com/dantrainor/92be094a9975ef38fdea6bef77e58b12
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[3:48] <brianx> click...
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[3:50] <grummund> startup pauses after "Started D-Bus SystemMessage Bus."
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[3:51] <dtrainor> noticeably faster, so that's fun
[3:52] <grummund> then fails to start apt-cacher-ng, systemd-logind.service, ntp.service, isc-dhcp-server.service and avahahi-daemon.service
[3:52] <brianx> dtrainor: it's been awhile since I've looked but iirc the numbers look fairly average. not sure if it takes overclocking to get there though.
[3:52] <grummund> as a result of logind not starting, there's obviously no login prompt :(
[3:53] <dtrainor> ah well.
[3:53] <dtrainor> time to get my gpio on
[3:53] <brianx> did you overclock dtrainor?
[3:53] <dtrainor> i did not, no
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[3:54] <brianx> you might get some really good numbers with overclocking.
[3:54] <dtrainor> cool
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[3:58] <grummund> any ideas ppl?
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[4:15] * grummund wonders is dbus even needed?
[4:16] <grummund> i mean, if i uninstall it (by chroot'ing to the sd image) might that fix the problem or make it worse?
[4:17] <dtrainor> well shoot, no analog to digital converter huh
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[4:19] <Peppi^> hello
[4:19] <brianx> dtrainor: nope, not a single adc channel. there are plenty of cheap i2c ones that work though.
[4:20] <dtrainor> yea that's what i'm seein
[4:20] <dtrainor> that DAQCplate looks pretty ok
[4:20] <Peppi^> I'm using osmc (kodi) on my pi and it is saying it doesn't have enough memory for an update. when I do a df-h it looks like I have enough. Anyone have any suggestions on how to free up space?
[4:20] <dtrainor> or a MCP3008
[4:22] <brianx> dtrainor: looking at the one i got...
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[4:24] <brianx> dtrainor: ads1115. i was surprised at how accurate it was compared to my hp3456a lab meter.
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[4:26] <brianx> the sample i checked was the same to nearly 5 digits.
[4:27] <dtrainor> nice
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[4:27] <brianx> without even considering that they're dirt cheap, i was impressed.
[4:31] <dtrainor> i thought i had a few mcp300x laying around, they're mcp23017's though, bummer
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[4:33] <dtrainor> heh. ok so, i wanted adc to use a temperature sensor that's based on the DS18B20, which is.... wait for it.... digital. so i don't need an adc right now.
[4:33] <dtrainor> also, the DS18B20 does i2c
[4:33] <dtrainor> oops. 1wire, not i2c, sorry
[4:33] <brianx> ahh, i looked at those mcp23017 and discovered i could buy an arduino clone for less.
[4:34] <brianx> bme280 does i2c.
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[4:37] <dtrainor> haha
[4:37] <dtrainor> i don't have a box of bme280's though
[4:38] <brianx> gotta use what you have.
[4:44] <[Saint]> Peppi^: I very, very, very strongly suggest that you migrate to LibreELEC.
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[4:58] <Peppi^> [Saint]: hmmm? what's wrong with osmc?
[4:58] <[Saint]> It's not LibreELEC.
[4:59] <Peppi^> well that is very compelling
[4:59] <Peppi^> it's also not openelec... but... doesn't mean much
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[5:00] <[Saint]> It not being openELEC means a lot.
[5:00] <[Saint]> OpenELEC is developmentally dead, running on vapors.
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[5:01] <[Saint]> 99.999% of the developer community abandoned the terrible Linus Torvalds-esque dictator single maintainer model project head to die in a fire and weep with his grief.
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[5:06] <Peppi^> [Saint]: sounds cool... but still not hearing why I should switch from osmc to libreElec. I guess if you say openElec is dead then fine... but I don't use openelec, I use OSMC and I do it for a reason
[5:07] <[Saint]> Reason being? Genuinely curious.
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[5:08] <[Saint]> I see OSMC as basically stagnant. LibreELEC is actually progressing, and doing a hell of a lot for rpi-specific optimization.
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[5:08] <[Saint]> ...though, by way of trickle-down, you'll see at least some of that fall into OSMC eventually.
[5:08] <Peppi^> it works. Specifically with my wireless card. Also I'm planning on doing things on the pi outside of a media center
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[5:08] <[Saint]> "things" being?
[5:08] <Peppi^> at the time openelec didn't work
[5:09] <[Saint]> That must've been literally years ago.
[5:09] <Peppi^> hey I'm not the one trying to convince you to switch...
[5:09] <Peppi^> [Saint]: yes years ago
[5:09] <[Saint]> Then it's all pretty much invalidated.
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[5:10] <[Saint]> LibreELEC has an add-on system and docker container support. Can't imagine you not being able to do any of your "things" there, especially if you don't care to be more explicit.
[5:11] <Peppi^> [Saint]: how will that make my life any easier?
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[5:11] <[Saint]> As a bonus it's also got libretro emulation baked into it at the core level. Which is a large part of the things people want to do with a media center that isn't immediately "being a media center".
[5:12] <[Saint]> Peppi^: well, as you won't elaborate on what "things" are...
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[5:12] <Peppi^> well I guess I'll look into it... not sure what else to say
[5:12] <[Saint]> Hey man, I'm just trying to offer you the best media playback and integrated emulation experience possible.
[5:12] <[Saint]> The rest is on you I guess.
[5:13] <Peppi^> ok
[5:14] <Peppi^> does it take less space the OSMC?
[5:18] <[Saint]> the installed size is approximately 360MB for /
[5:18] <[Saint]> rough guestimate after I subtract ~120MB of addons and cache I introduced.
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[5:20] <Peppi^> I'll give it a spin
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[5:21] <[Saint]> If you have a spare sdcard or USB disk, worst case scenario after installation and updating and a bit of configuring is you lose ~30 minutes if you don't enjoy the experience.
[5:22] <[Saint]> After installing the LE release it's advisable to jump on to the development builds as described in http://babylon.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=298461
[5:22] <HrdwrBoB> I wouldn't be caring about how much space it takes tbh
[5:22] <HrdwrBoB> given you can't even buy a 2gb card these days
[5:22] <[Saint]> Nor I, but, different strokes, different folks.
[5:22] <[Saint]> perhaps he runs a multiboot system.
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[5:23] <Peppi^> using windows can I use rufus to burn this? or... was there another app...
[5:24] <HrdwrBoB> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/windows.md
[5:24] <Peppi^> nm looks like rufus can
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[5:25] <[Saint]> If whatever rufus is can handle .img.gz...then, I guess?
[5:25] <[Saint]> I have no idea what a rufus is and haven't touched Windows voluntarily in years.
[5:25] <Peppi^> think it can
[5:25] <Peppi^> I'm about to find out
[5:25] <Peppi^> looks like it
[5:25] <hmoney> lol...
[5:26] <hmoney> this convo tho
[5:26] <Peppi^> brb
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[5:29] <[Saint]> I'm fairly confident OSMC is on Kodi 17, or possibly even 16, still?
[5:29] <HrdwrBoB> Peppi^: bear in mind
[5:29] <[Saint]> LE gots the shinies.
[5:29] <HrdwrBoB> writing .img.gz to the card won't work
[5:29] <HrdwrBoB> unless it unzips it as it goes
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[5:31] <[Saint]> bear in mind:
[5:31] <[Saint]> rawr, I'm a bear, in your mind. doin' all sorts'a bear stuffs.
[5:31] <katsmeow> my pi3 is arriving tomorrow, and i have a question : what' the fastest way to do program and data i/o ?
[5:32] <[Saint]> ...wut?
[5:32] <HrdwrBoB> katsmeow: cat /dev/zero > /dev/null
[5:32] <HrdwrBoB> fastest ever.
[5:33] <katsmeow> you want an example? lets say i dl wikipedia (15GB of txt) to a hdd, and want to munge and search in it, what's my best bandwidth pipe?
[5:33] <[Saint]> Does "not doing that on a raspi" count?
[5:33] <katsmeow> i think my choices are limited to usb and a ethernet nas box, am i missing other options?
[5:34] <[Saint]> katsmeow: well, that's a false set of options realistically.
[5:34] <HrdwrBoB> you could use the pi and then connecto to wikipedia
[5:34] <HrdwrBoB> and seatch
[5:34] <HrdwrBoB> search
[5:34] <[Saint]> As those are both USB.
[5:34] <HrdwrBoB> that would be WAYYYY faster :)
[5:34] <[Saint]> USB and Ethernet are both USB...so, yeah. False options really.
[5:35] <katsmeow> HrdwrBoB , accessing wikipedia online is faster than accessing a local copy??
[5:35] <katsmeow> [saint] , so what options am i overlooking?
[5:35] <[Saint]> a URI query vs. searching a 15GB DB? Yes...yes this is faster, lol.
[5:36] <HrdwrBoB> katsmeow: because a whole heap of people ahve designed and optimised the search.....
[5:36] <[Saint]> katsmeow: you're not, really. sdcard access for the faster cards is going to be marginally faster. But none of these options are exactly stellar.
[5:36] <HrdwrBoB> and has dedicated hardware and implementation behind it
[5:36] <katsmeow> i cannot bruteforce text search wikipedia online for "the lower"
[5:36] <HrdwrBoB> katsmeow: TLDR you're doing it wrong
[5:36] <HrdwrBoB> you need to start with your problem
[5:36] <HrdwrBoB> THEN design a solution
[5:37] <katsmeow> i will be on a boat in the gulf of mexico, YOU redefine the problem
[5:37] <[Saint]> nah, this way is more fun, then you get to trun your solution into a problem.
[5:37] <HrdwrBoB> katsmeow: you purchased a pi, THEN asked 'how do I do X'
[5:38] <katsmeow> i will be using it for other things also, i have other puters also, i am asking about i/o bandwidth issues, YOU are the one making it bloody specific
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[5:38] <HrdwrBoB> also, even on a boat in the gulf of mexico, it's likely STILL faster to query wikipedia :)
[5:38] <Peppi^> [Saint]: one issue so far is the screen is too large for the TV. Not sure how to explain it. Basically part of the menu is being cut off. I tried to change the resolution but still part of the screen gets cut off
[5:38] <HrdwrBoB> katsmeow: ok, short verison - all I/O on the rbpi is a bit shit
[5:38] <HrdwrBoB> it's a major limitation of the system
[5:38] <Peppi^> this is only the menu. Playback is fine I think
[5:39] <HrdwrBoB> if you want fast I/O, the system is wrong
[5:40] <Peppi^> HrdwrBoB: well you could build a beowulf cluster of Pi's and that would make search faster :P
[5:41] <HrdwrBoB> yes... you could
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[5:41] <[Saint]> Peppi^: settings, display - make sure the settings level is set to advanced, and then you'll see the option to configure the display overscan.
[5:42] <Peppi^> k brb
[5:42] <[Saint]> katsmeow: to answer the question with what you have available to you: as long as you're not aggressively hitting network traffic at the same time, sdcard and USB storage should be roughly comparable in speed. If you are doing heavy ethernet traffic at the same time, other USB traffic will suffer. A lot.
[5:42] <[Saint]> A fast sdcard will be the best performer all round.
[5:43] * katsmeow ponders the info
[5:43] <[Saint]> Peppi^: the setting you're looking for is "Display Calibration".
[5:43] <katsmeow> sd cards are serial
[5:44] <[Saint]> Yeah, but they're terrible with milk.
[5:44] <HrdwrBoB> so is SATA
[5:44] <HrdwrBoB> serial is just a description of the way the data is sent
[5:44] <HrdwrBoB> it doesn't mean much
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[5:45] <katsmeow> i know what serial means, i am concluding the sd card is handled the same way the lan and usb is
[5:45] <HrdwrBoB> no, not at all
[5:45] <katsmeow> <perk> o?
[5:46] <HrdwrBoB> the critical bit isn't 'serial'
[5:46] <HrdwrBoB> it's 'bus'
[5:46] <katsmeow> do go on
[5:46] <HrdwrBoB> the lan port is on the USB bus
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[5:46] <HrdwrBoB> so if you add storage on the USB bus
[5:46] <HrdwrBoB> you're sharing it
[5:47] <[Saint]> Yes. sd doesn't suffer the same woe with a jammed up bus path.
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[5:48] <katsmeow> ok, keep in mind i am not nix-aware, but i do know electronics ,, if "there is a ramdrive mounted to the /dev/shm folder", is that allocated space on the sd card in a fixed location, and can i specify where it's fixed?
[5:49] <[Saint]> y'know the RAM part of RAMdrive, ir RAM, right?
[5:49] <HrdwrBoB> ram drive is in memory
[5:49] <katsmeow> yeas
[5:49] <HrdwrBoB> it's not on the SD card at all
[5:49] <katsmeow> so you are saying it;s in the 1GB ram, and not the sdRAM ?
[5:49] <[Saint]> So why would a RAMdrive be on disk? Not criticising, just asking you to think logically.
[5:49] <[Saint]> SDRAM != SDCARD.
[5:49] <HrdwrBoB> katsmeow: sdcard is NOT RAM.
[5:49] <katsmeow> [saint] i can think logically, i just do not have al the info you do
[5:49] <HrdwrBoB> not as such
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[5:50] <HrdwrBoB> sdcard is storage, not memory
[5:50] <katsmeow> <cough>
[5:50] <HrdwrBoB> when you turn it off, it stays
[5:50] <HrdwrBoB> and it's much, much, much slower.
[5:50] <HrdwrBoB> katsmeow: yes, it's similar in many ways, but that's an irrelevant detail
[5:50] <HrdwrBoB> RAM fast. SDcard slow.
[5:50] <katsmeow> understood
[5:51] <[Saint]> SDRAM fast fast, but (generally) tiny.
[5:51] <rywilly> interesting:
[5:51] <rywilly> pi@raspberrypi:~ $ lsusb -t
[5:51] <rywilly> |__ Port 1: Dev 2, If 0, Class=Hub, Driver=hub/5p, 480M
[5:51] <rywilly> |__ Port 1: Dev 3, If 0, Class=Vendor Specific Class, Driver=smsc95xx, 480M
[5:51] <katsmeow> easy to unplug sdcard, difficult to unsolder the ram chip (and not kill the puter)
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[5:52] <rywilly> oops, there was a / on the 2nd line :-/
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[5:52] <rywilly> Bus 01.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=dwc_otg/1p, 480M
[5:52] <rywilly> Driver=smsc95xx is the ethernet adaptor, right?
[5:52] <[Saint]> Yes.
[5:53] <katsmeow> where 480Mb ~= 48MB ?
[5:53] <HrdwrBoB> 480megaBITS
[5:54] <[Saint]> 480minibuns.
[5:55] <katsmeow> but, iirc, ry tests of the lan gave speeds half that
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[5:57] <katsmeow> if the raspi gac do max 48MB, and the test is to move data from lan to usb drive, then the 48 figure is split 24 to recieve from lan and 24 to save to usb?
[5:58] <katsmeow> and the sd card is limited to 24MB itself?
[5:58] * katsmeow had much higher hopes for the raspi
[5:59] <[Saint]> ...it's $35
[5:59] <[Saint]> high hopes are reserved for higher specced, and costlier, hardware.
[6:00] <HrdwrBoB> katsmeow: 14:38 < HrdwrBoB> katsmeow: ok, short verison - all I/O on the rbpi is a bit shit
[6:00] <HrdwrBoB> 20 minutes ago :)
[6:00] <[Saint]> sd with a capable card isn't /too/ bad.
[6:01] <[Saint]> I mean, it's not great, but it's far from terrible.
[6:01] <HrdwrBoB> oh for sure
[6:01] <HrdwrBoB> but if you have an I/O limited workset
[6:01] <[Saint]> right.
[6:01] <HrdwrBoB> pi is a bad choice
[6:01] <[Saint]> ODROID XU4 #masterrace
[6:01] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[6:01] <[Saint]> gigE and USB3 dedicated bus.
[6:01] <[Saint]> win win.
[6:02] <HrdwrBoB> slightly more expensive :)
[6:02] <HrdwrBoB> also emmc
[6:02] <[Saint]> Indeed.
[6:03] <brianx> double isn't just slightly.
[6:04] <HrdwrBoB> brianx: if only the smily face indicated sarcasm
[6:04] <[Saint]> wow - your markup on the pi or the XU4 must be terrible.
[6:04] <[Saint]> it's about 33% more here, not factoring shipping.
[6:04] <brianx> just going with street pricing.
[6:05] <brianx> pi3 is local, odroid is only shipped.
[6:05] <[Saint]> for pleb locales with no resellers, perhaps.
[6:05] <brianx> 59 plus shipping vs 29.95 plus tax.
[6:07] * [Saint] wanders off to watch No Country For Old Men for the billionth time
[6:07] <[Saint]> (haven't seen it? dooooooooooo iiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttt, friendo)
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[6:09] <brianx> pi3b is available locally at microcenter in many us states. who is the local reseller for odroid in the us?
[6:10] <[Saint]> Not living there I neither know nor care.
[6:10] <brianx> ok, wasn't aware of one either.
[6:10] <[Saint]> ...you guys can keep it. You dun' broke it.
[6:11] <brianx> agreed there. :-( but not a politics channel.
[6:11] <katsmeow> i never heard f the odroid, and after reading several web pages about it, still don;t know if it has a video out or must be accessed "headless"
[6:12] <brianx> it has video.
[6:12] <katsmeow> it's $35? why isn't it getting more press than the raspi ?
[6:12] <[Saint]> it has the super rare audio-only HDMI port.
[6:12] <ball> Oh, I completely forgot I was logged into IRC.
[6:12] * ball sighs
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[6:13] <katsmeow> there's no irc channel for it
[6:13] <[Saint]> it's not $35
[6:13] <brianx> katsmeow: where did you find the ODROID XU4 for $35? I'm on board.
[6:14] <katsmeow> http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G143703355573
[6:14] <[Saint]> That would be a C1+
[6:14] <katsmeow> i didn't specify the flavor
[6:14] <brianx> ahh, whole different machine.
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[6:34] <Peppi^> [Saint]: quick question. I added a source for TV Shows. That source has TV shows in directories but I have a special directory and inside that I have other TV shows. The thing is it's not finding it. I can see it when I go to videos and files though the name has been changed and all the child directories do not have any images. How do I manualy create a directory in TV shows?
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[6:36] <hmoney> some teenage girl levels of condescension going on tonight fellas...
[6:37] <katsmeow> i expect it of any channel nix is used in
[6:37] <katsmeow> i can show myself out.......
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[6:40] <Sonny_Jim> What's a nix?
[6:40] <GreeningGalaxy> a superset of unix-like operating systems, I think
[6:41] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
[6:41] <Sonny_Jim> I suppose that covers the BSD crowd as well
[6:41] <GreeningGalaxy> probably
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[6:42] <Sonny_Jim> Speaking of irrational persecution, I went into an Apple store for the first time the other day. First thing that struck me, not a single price tag on any item in the store, not even the cables
[6:42] <GreeningGalaxy> lolnope
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[6:45] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[6:45] <HrdwrBoB> BSD is a whole other level
[6:45] <HrdwrBoB> Sonny_Jim: if you have to ask... ;)
[6:45] <HrdwrBoB> I have a macbook pro, it's great
[6:45] <dtrainor> ameridroid sells odroid in the us
[6:46] <dtrainor> i have a worthless box of them, from back when i thought hacking android had any potential for, well, anything really
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[6:46] <GreeningGalaxy> hacking android is a great way to go yelling pants-on-head mad
[6:46] <dtrainor> right??
[6:47] <dtrainor> well cool, aside from the fact that i have to use a debian, i'm kinda pleased by how well gpio is working on this rpi2
[6:47] <GreeningGalaxy> can an Odroid be persuaded to run a debian?
[6:48] <HrdwrBoB> http://odroid.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=en:odroid-xu4
[6:48] <PaulVern> I remember heading into the Apple store about 10 years ago asking "I'd just like an IDE cable"
[6:48] <PaulVern> then being shocked when they had no idea what I as talking about
[6:48] <binaryhermit> I think the non-Android Linux-based OS they ship is Ubuntu
[6:48] <binaryhermit> which is sort of a Debian, kinda
[6:49] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah, I can work with that at least
[6:49] <dtrainor> right
[6:49] <rywilly> i really like debian for servers, i'm glad Raspbian is based on it :-)
[6:49] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm actually running Ubuntu MATE on two of my Pis, just because bluetooth audio works well out of the box.
[6:50] <dtrainor> i'm still biased heh
[6:50] <GreeningGalaxy> PaulVern: reminds me of going into RadioShack these days looking for a resistor. "We don't sell components in-store anymore."
[6:50] <HrdwrBoB> which is amusing
[6:50] <HrdwrBoB> because that's how they got their business in the first place
[6:51] <dtrainor> coincidentally, how they lost their business, too
[6:51] <ball> Aye but that was when things were repairable.
[6:51] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[6:51] <PaulVern> lol
[6:51] <dtrainor> too busy focusing on selling Sprint phones
[6:51] <ball> ...and user manuals had a schematic in the back.
[6:51] <HrdwrBoB> true
[6:51] <PaulVern> those were the days
[6:51] <HrdwrBoB> and they cost 5x more
[6:51] <dtrainor> man, brings me back.
[6:51] <PaulVern> I'm going to try and have my Plasma screen 'repaired' when it breaks
[6:51] <HrdwrBoB> and weren't obsolete in 2 years
[6:51] <ball> HrdwrBoB: (and lasted 5x as long ...and used 5x as much power ;-)
[6:52] <HrdwrBoB> ball: yeah, turns out the good old days just had different compromises :)
[6:52] <GreeningGalaxy> used to be you went there to buy a part to fix your radio. Now you can go there and buy a handful of plastic with like 5 or 6 ifferent radios in it, all of which suck, can't be repaired, and can only be used for one thing.
[6:53] <PaulVern> oh don't get me started on always buying radios, etc
[6:53] <HrdwrBoB> eh, everything sucks
[6:53] <PaulVern> each time I have to buy a new phone, I buy ANOTHER camera, microphone, etc
[6:53] <HrdwrBoB> GreeningGalaxy: although the amusing thing is
[6:53] <HrdwrBoB> it's cheaper to buy a phone than just about anything
[6:53] <HrdwrBoB> you can buy an android phone for $100 with a screen. GPS. storage, cam, mic etc etc etc
[6:54] <HrdwrBoB> to buy the components seperately would cost you $300
[6:54] <GreeningGalaxy> there used to be a radioshack on the corner near my university's physics building. Now there's a whole foods there, and the physics building is now almost entirely psychology. I feel like I kinda missed the golden age.
[6:54] <HrdwrBoB> GreeningGalaxy: not at all
[6:54] <HrdwrBoB> every age is a golden age
[6:54] <GreeningGalaxy> I don't mean of electronics, I mean of my physics department.
[6:54] <HrdwrBoB> well, probably
[6:54] <HrdwrBoB> physics, for the most part, is a solved problem
[6:55] <GreeningGalaxy> noooo way
[6:55] <GreeningGalaxy> clearly you don't study physics
[6:55] <PaulVern> a new camera, microphones, speaker, radio, gps, etc being purchased every 2 years because a battery is broken or Google stop giving me updates
[6:55] <rywilly> GreeningGalaxy, it looks like debian is availble on odroid: http://odroid.us/mediawiki/index.php?title=Debian_Wheezy_Instructions
[6:55] <HrdwrBoB> GreeningGalaxy: well, it depends what physics we're talking about
[6:55] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[6:55] <GreeningGalaxy> HrdwrBoB: did you know that the mean free path of a phonon in a semiconductor is actually significantly larger than the feature size of a modern chip? We actually have no good model for heat propagation in computer chips at all, and make them work by overbuilding them.
[6:56] <HrdwrBoB> although I was being facietous
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[6:56] <binaryhermit> but wheezy is oldstable...
[6:56] <binaryhermit> you probably want jessie or newer
[6:56] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah, I'd like Stretch :P
[6:56] <HrdwrBoB> GreeningGalaxy: I do know that, it's an interesting problem :)
[6:56] <GreeningGalaxy> whatever, I can't afford an Odroid any time soon anyway
[6:57] <GreeningGalaxy> HrdwrBoB: my professor and I have been working on it (indirectly, but still). We had some beamtime at Argonne to watch strain waves propagate through bits of gallium arsenide with x-rays.
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[6:58] <GreeningGalaxy> I'll agree that classical mechanics is a largely solved problem at any rate, but that's only because it covers its ears and goes LA LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU whenever you start moving very fast or looking at very tiny things.
[6:59] <GreeningGalaxy> the quantum branches of physics are incredibly active and incredibly relevant, though.
[7:00] <GreeningGalaxy> midnight! time for me to turn into a pumpkin.
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[7:17] <amigojapan_bnc> Ok, I just complained to the “consumer certer” about my problem ordering an RPI touchscreen, and RS componets claiming they never recieved the money and my card company claiming the money was used, and also the card company suddenly gooing out of business, I made ana oopintment to show my evidence so they can help me sort this out, I am going tomorrrow, Japan is very advanced in this regard of consumer protectio
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[7:27] <Peppi^> anyone here using kodi on a pi?
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[7:30] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[7:30] <HrdwrBoB> not me personally
[7:30] <HrdwrBoB> but lots of people
[7:33] <amigojapan_bnc> if it turns out to be RS componets’s fault, I will send an email complaining ot hte RS components international office
[7:34] <Sonny_Jim> Peppi^: Your problem looks to be Kodi related, rather than Pi specific. Might be better off dropping a post on the Kodi users forum as they'll have more experience with it
[7:34] <Sonny_Jim> I know what you are talking about though, the new UI update is nice but a little confusing
[7:35] <Peppi^> Sonny_Jim: ok I'll try on #kodi
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[7:36] <Peppi^> Sonny_Jim: do you know though if it's possible to have child directories in TV that contain other TV shows?
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[7:37] <HrdwrBoB> Peppi^: depends how you have it setup
[7:37] <HrdwrBoB> I have a TV shows dir
[7:37] <Sonny_Jim> Again, better off asking in Kodi, but my understanding of the UI is that you just setup a base directory and it'll search the child dirs
[7:37] <HrdwrBoB> then each TV show has a subdir
[7:37] <Sonny_Jim> Then collates those into the 'TV Shows' tab for you
[7:37] <Sonny_Jim> If a show isn't showing, then maybe a library update is needed
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[7:38] <Sonny_Jim> What version Kodi is it, anyway?
[7:38] <HrdwrBoB> doesn't really matter
[7:38] <HrdwrBoB> it's been working that way since it was Xbox media center
[7:38] <Peppi^> libreelec kodi 17 I think
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[7:39] <HrdwrBoB> (not even XBMC)
[7:40] <Peppi^> Sonny_Jim: but I want say a entry called Kids Shows and when you go to that you have all the kids TV shows. I don't want the kids shows mixed into the main TV shows. Does that make sense?
[7:40] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
[7:41] <Sonny_Jim> No idea about that
[7:41] <Peppi^> lol kk
[7:41] <Sonny_Jim> Maybe setup two different users, one that has the Kids and one that doesn't
[7:42] <Peppi^> ya.. was thinking about that...
[7:43] <Sonny_Jim> My problem with Kodi is that it gets really confused when it does it's autoscrape and mislabels things
[7:43] <Peppi^> yes
[7:43] <Sonny_Jim> Oh and I've never worked out the favourites button lol
[7:43] <HrdwrBoB> Peppi^: that's much harder
[7:44] <HrdwrBoB> Peppi^: I ended up not indexing the kids shows
[7:44] <Sonny_Jim> But meh, I have all the functions available to me that Kodi does on my smart TV, but then again my smart TV doesn't have SALTS :)
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[7:44] <HrdwrBoB> also I gave up and just watch netflix on chromecast now
[7:44] <Peppi^> HrdwrBoB: damn
[7:45] <HrdwrBoB> and have a profile on netflix for kids showas
[7:45] <HrdwrBoB> although every now and then we accidentally watch a kids show on our profile
[7:46] <HrdwrBoB> and it comes up in the 'continue watching' my little pony or whatever
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[7:46] <HrdwrBoB> forensic files? or my little pony!
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[7:47] <Peppi^> lol
[7:48] <Peppi^> so I guess I need a new profile then on kodi
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[7:51] <Peppi^> http://kodi.wiki/view/Video_management wait 6.4 looks interesting
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[7:55] <Peppi^> HrdwrBoB: think I found a solution: http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=150934
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[7:56] <HrdwrBoB> Peppi^: awesome
[7:56] <HrdwrBoB> oh that's cool
[7:57] <HrdwrBoB> tbh when I was doing it I'm not sure that was an option
[7:57] <HrdwrBoB> because... I am quite old in internet terms :)
[7:57] <HrdwrBoB> and I was using XBMC on an actual xbox BITD
[7:57] <Peppi^> HrdwrBoB: ohhh ic ic
[7:58] <Peppi^> btw what is MQ4? they keep referring to it
[7:59] <HrdwrBoB> skin
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[8:33] <jaziz> Anyone know of a good raspberry pi email server tutorial?
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[8:47] <dayne> jaziz: just find any good ubuntu/debian based email server tutorial - follow the steps.
[8:48] <dayne> jaziz: personally I'd say: find a good postfix ubuntu/debian based tutorial and go nuts.
[8:48] <dayne> but there are lots of options for email server in linux
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[9:19] <jaziz> dayne, mmm alright
[9:19] <jaziz> thanks
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[9:36] <mfa298> jaziz: if your wanting an email server to receive email from the internet prepare for a lot of work. You need an ISP that allows it, ideally static ip on your broadband, and spend plenty of time ensuring your not running an open relay
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[9:40] <jaziz> mfa298, Doesn't that complication only generally apply to outgoing emails?
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[9:40] <jaziz> or am I mistaken
[9:40] <jaziz> also what's a 'static ip?'
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[9:40] <jaziz> aren't all ips constant, or am I misunderstanding what that means
[9:40] <jaziz> also what's an open relay?
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[9:45] <metawave> A static IP stays the same on the network. A dynamic IP (usually the default) is reassigned by the router depending on other clients connected to the network
[9:45] <metawave> at least that's how I understand it
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[9:45] <metawave> you don't want servers to change their IP address because it causes a headache
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[9:53] <mfa298> jaziz: most of those apply to incomming email as well.
[9:54] <mfa298> Most ISPs give dynamic IP's (i.e. your outside IP will change each time you connect), some are moving to CG-NAT which won't work at all
[9:54] <mfa298> jaziz: open relay means you receive email destined for anyone and then send it back out - the sort of thing apammers love, and will cause lots of trouble from your ISP
[9:57] <mfa298> if you're receiving email you'll probably also want spam/virus scanning on it, probably along with things like spf checking and greylisting. If you're going to send email as well you'll want spf checking and dkim and probably a few other things.
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[9:58] <Armand> Nope
[9:59] <password4> someone linked a very ellogant full size usb connector they made that you solder to test point on the pi-zero , andy have link for me?
[10:00] <password4> anybody*
[10:00] <password4> sometimes i swear i have micro seizures or something and just skip a few keystrokes when i type
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[10:01] <password4> its me making this mess
[10:01] <password4> i cant blame the keyboards anymore
[10:02] <jaziz> mfa298, mmm, interesting
[10:02] <jaziz> will look into all this
[10:03] <mfa298> jaziz: personally I'd suggest setting up an email server just to try it out locally, for receiving email pay someone to do it for you (or just stick with free email)
[10:03] <jaziz> well it's all just for the learning experience, honestly
[10:04] <jaziz> also want free burgers, but that's just an interesting part of it
[10:04] <jaziz> Also why do download speeds so much of the time spike in the beginning
[10:04] <jaziz> and then just drop?
[10:04] <Armand> Can't say.. mine pretty much level out at 110MB/s max. :P
[10:05] <jaziz> jesus
[10:05] <jaziz> that's pretty good
[10:05] <HrdwrBoB> hahah
[10:05] <jaziz> how much do you pay for internet?
[10:05] <HrdwrBoB> I've had this discussion 100 times
[10:05] <Armand> 0
[10:05] <HrdwrBoB> running your own mailserver is a terrible idea
[10:05] <jaziz> how's about one more for the road
[10:05] <Armand> Company line. lol
[10:05] <jaziz> lolol
[10:05] <HrdwrBoB> I am a linux admin by trade
[10:05] <HrdwrBoB> I run servers for a job
[10:05] <jaziz> oo, very nice
[10:05] <HrdwrBoB> ... I wouldn't run my own mailservers
[10:05] <HrdwrBoB> and I don't.
[10:05] <jaziz> enlighten me
[10:05] <Armand> We've got a 6Gbps fibre for the office, so I'm limited by LAN speed.
[10:06] <HrdwrBoB> it's a horrible pain in the ass
[10:06] <HrdwrBoB> all the dealing with spam etc
[10:06] <HrdwrBoB> it's MUCH MUCH better to deal with it at scale
[10:06] <jaziz> what if I have a spam filter?
[10:06] <Armand> Oooohhhh.... Barracuda!
[10:06] <Armand> Sorry.. had to
[10:06] <HrdwrBoB> jaziz: then it will go out of date
[10:06] <jaziz> hm.
[10:06] <mfa298> HrdwrBoB: I'm in a similar position (more network admin but that tends to mean *nix as well) although I do run my own email server and its a lot of hassel
[10:07] <jaziz> well, again, this is mostly for learning purposes
[10:07] <Armand> We run too many freakin' mail servers.
[10:07] <mfa298> just slightly less hassel keeping it going than migrating it somewhere else
[10:07] <jaziz> also what about the download thing?
[10:07] <HrdwrBoB> mfa298: heh
[10:07] <jaziz> why does taht happen?
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[10:07] <Armand> Most likely contention on the source.
[10:08] <jaziz> ohhhhh
[10:08] <HrdwrBoB> jaziz: it's about TCP windowing
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[10:08] <jaziz> agh
[10:08] <jaziz> assholes
[10:08] <jaziz> assholes!
[10:09] <jaziz> is there any way to trick the ISP into thinking that I'm continuously starting a download?
[10:09] <HrdwrBoB> use multiple connections
[10:09] <HrdwrBoB> up to a point, it gives you better speed
[10:09] <jaziz> whatcha mean?
[10:10] <jaziz> multiple connections how?
[10:10] <HrdwrBoB> download the first 25% of the file in one thread
[10:10] <HrdwrBoB> second in another
[10:10] <jaziz> oooo
[10:10] <HrdwrBoB> then stitch them together at the end
[10:10] <jaziz> sounds complicated
[10:10] <HrdwrBoB> many tools will do it out of the box
[10:10] <mfa298> or just start the download and go make a coffee.
[10:10] <jaziz> mm yeah, I remember now
[10:11] <jaziz> I had this thing called Internet Download Manager that did this
[10:11] * mfa298 drinks way to much coffee and tea at times
[10:11] <jaziz> agh
[10:11] <jaziz> how am I supposed to download all of Bugs Bunny in this short amount of time
[10:11] <HrdwrBoB> mfa298: exactly :)
[10:12] <mfa298> often the download speeds displayed in an OS are an approximation as well. Initially they are widely out because there's not enough information.
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[10:12] <jaziz> oh, that's interesting
[10:12] <mfa298> I've seen downloads start off showing speeds that are higher than the link speed.
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[10:13] <HrdwrBoB> because 'speed' is questionable anyway
[10:13] <HrdwrBoB> the basic problem is: things are hard
[10:14] <mfa298> also systems like to mix their units bits/bytes mega/mebi
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> well that's not really the huge issue
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> but also: data is transmitted in packets
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> links are capable of packets per second
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> not data per second
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> typically
[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> behind the scenes there's a whole lot of things going on
[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> tbh it's incredible it works at all
[10:17] <mfa298> not totally true, data will travel at the bit/s rate you can get more small packets down the link than big packets (there's a bit of overhead per packet but not much), However there are per packet processing overheads at each end which may impose further limits
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[10:18] <mfa298> switches and most enterprise routers will do most of that in hardware so the line rate will be the limit. Home rotuers, servers etc do the packet processing in software so the packet rate becomes more of a limit.
[10:19] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[10:19] <HrdwrBoB> depends on all sorts of thigns
[10:19] <HrdwrBoB> 19:15 < HrdwrBoB> tbh it's incredible it works at all
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[10:21] <password4> anyone know about the usb connector for pi0 that you solder to the pi? its sjsut a bit of pcb and two plastic screws
[10:21] <HrdwrBoB> what about it?
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[10:29] <password4> i need the link
[10:30] <password4> i lost it and google is not being kind
[10:30] <password4> it was on sale at some store starting with an p
[10:30] <password4> and a user here made it
[10:31] <hhmmm> guess: pimoroni / drogon
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[10:34] <password4> could be
[10:35] <mfa298> I'd try looking through the various pi stores and see if you can find it
[10:36] <mfa298> that description isn't much for anyone to go on in terms of knowing what your thinking of
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[10:42] <BurtyB> password4, https://shop.pimoroni.com/collections/new-products/products/zero-stem-usb-otg-connector
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[11:24] <shiftplusone> ali1234: triggerhappy can be used with gpio if you use gpio-keys. I believe Raspbian boots with the conservative scaling governor and than switches to ondemand if shift is not held down. This is to give users a way out if they overclock past the point where things are stable.
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[11:36] <python476> hey
[11:36] <shiftplusone> hi
[11:36] <python476> let's say I have no usb keyboard and no usb/ps2 adapters and I want to fix a rpi boot issues; any tricks ?
[11:37] <shiftplusone> what kind of boot issues?
[11:37] <python476> it runs archlinuxarm, the wifi connection is not "working" anymore after a kernel update
[11:37] <shiftplusone> can you access the card from another computer?
[11:37] <python476> systemd wipes the screen (hdmi tv) too fast for me to say
[11:37] <python476> shiftplusone: yes I can, I actually set the wifi this way through another rpi
[11:38] <shiftplusone> is this on-board wifi or not?
[11:38] <python476> oh right, forgot that, it's a rpi a+, with a usb key
[11:38] <shiftplusone> which chipset?
[11:38] <python476> rtl8712u IIRC
[11:39] <shiftplusone> sec
[11:39] <python476> it worked fine just before the upgrade (which I did through ssh over wifi)
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[11:40] <shiftplusone> Try blacklisting these modules https://github.com/RPi-Distro/raspberrypi-sys-mods/blob/master/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-rtl8192cu.conf https://github.com/RPi-Distro/raspberrypi-sys-mods/blob/master/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-rtl8xxxu.conf
[11:40] <python476> in the end I can still reflash archlinuxarm and stay with the n-1 kernel, but I'm curious if there's a way to have keyboard access
[11:40] <shiftplusone> I highly recommend getting a usb-serial cable
[11:40] <python476> both modules ?
[11:40] <shiftplusone> I think you only might need to blacklist rtl8192cu, but no harm in both
[11:41] <python476> serial port connected to gpio, usb on another computer ?
[11:41] <shiftplusone> yeah
[11:41] <shiftplusone> then you can get access no matter what happens. Very useful.
[11:41] <python476> I have a few arduino clones, I wonder if I could emulate that
[11:41] <python476> shiftplusone: yeah, it's the timeless solution
[11:41] <python476> thanks nonetheless, time to edit some conf
[11:43] <shiftplusone> To explain a bit. Those are upstream drivers which are terrible and barely work. The chipset maker provides their own drivers which are terrible, but work well. I don't know about Arch, but the kernel in Raspbian used to leave the upstream modules out and added the realtek ones instead. Now they are all included for people who want to use the upstream ones.
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[11:44] <shiftplusone> This might not be the problem, but it seems related, so it's worth a shot.
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[11:49] <python476> shiftplusone: I see
[11:50] <python476> It's odd that it worked out of the box before, and not now, maybe I was just lucky and the upstream just happened to have a good day and now it's back to bugs
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[11:52] <shiftplusone> The people who release Raspbian and the people who work on the kernel can communicate and make the appropriate changes on both ends to prevent or fix such issues. Archlinux does its own thing and I don't know what that is exactly when it comes to the kernel.
[11:52] <brianx> python476: connecting reset to ground will turn many arduino clones into a serial usb adapter. you'll need to level shift the 5v to 3.3v though.
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[11:54] <python476> shiftplusone: usually I have deep trust in arch based distro but it's true they're a bit apart
[11:54] <brianx> python476: and don't forget rx/tx are labeled from the perspective of the atmega328 which is reversed when seen from the serial/usb device.
[11:54] <python476> brianx: I think it's out of my league right now, electronics newb, I may try later
[11:55] <brianx> python476: let me get the link to my blog on the topic....
[11:56] <python476> heh
[11:56] <python476> thanks
[11:56] <python476> people here are all very friendly and helpful
[11:56] <python476> ok, no luck with the module blacklisting
[11:57] <shiftplusone> not so helpful then
[11:57] <brianx> http://chisight.wordpress.com/2016/01/27/esp8266-01-programming-with-an-arduino-nano/ is oriented to flashing an esp, but it's really just using a nano as a serial usb adapter. works the same on most arduino.
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[11:57] <python476> it's weird, the driver loads, firmware loads, I see logging of the link layer going from 'not ready' to 'ready' and then login screen before I can see more details
[11:58] <python476> shiftplusone: helpful in the sense of "searching ideas on what could work"
[11:59] <shiftplusone> perhaps enable persistent logs and then use jounralctl to examine the logs on another pi?
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[11:59] <python476> ha, of course ... * selfpalm *
[11:59] <python476> although it seems I foobared the journal by pulling the sdcard too fast
[12:00] <python476> but at least I may have some hints to follow
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[12:04] <brianx> you should still be able to fsck the filesystems on another machine.
[12:05] <python476> true
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[12:09] <python476> aight, seems like a wpa authentication problem.. such wat
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[12:14] <courrier> I'm wondering whether the term "Foundation" within "The Raspberry Pi Foundation" corresponds to an official/legal status, or is it just an unofficial way to tell the organization is somehow philantrope... Any idea?
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[12:15] <python476> courrier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Foundation
[12:15] <python476> says they have a legal status of charity
[12:18] <password4> oph yeah BurtyB , thanx for the link
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[12:26] <courrier> python476: so apparently "foundation" has nothing legal in it?
[12:26] <python476> that's above my english skills, I assumed charity ~= foundation
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[12:30] <mfa298> courrier: I don't think being called foundation carries any legal weight (at least not in the UK where RPF is registered)
[12:31] <mfa298> being a registered charity is what gives them that status
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[12:33] <SpeedEvil> yeah - charities are called anything they want to be, with no regulation on the name.
[12:33] <mfa298> calling yourself a foundation does imply a certain type of organisation however so you might have issues calling yourself a foundation if you not really doing that sort of thing. - Obviously things might be different in other places and IANAL applies
[12:34] <SpeedEvil> There is also a legally seperate body doing the actual selling
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[12:40] <gordonDrogon> good monday morning ...
[12:41] <Armand> Morning, gD.
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[12:43] <brianx> time to make the doughnuts.
[12:43] <brianx> err bread.
[12:48] <brianx> I'm going to repost my question: has anyone got a realtek RTL8153 or RTL8153B based usb nic that they could run an iperf on? i'm trying to see what kind of performance might be expected.
[12:48] <courrier> mfa298: Is the name "Raspberry Pi" only registered in the UK? Or you talk about RPF? What could happen if RP were not protected in the US for isntance, someone else could claim it and make a competitor by abusing the name and benefitiating from the confusion to sell RP-things in the US, right?
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[12:48] <courrier> I'm also thinking to the Retropie project that has not been protected
[12:48] <courrier> They had troubles recently
[12:49] <Lope2> Can anyone recommend a way to add UPnP to a raspbian NAT router? (so clients can get ports forwarded to them using UPnP protocol)
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[12:49] <courrier> Someone else claimed the brand and sue the Retropie-compatible sellers
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[12:51] <courrier> SpeedEvil: any way to find online the legal information about what a "foundation" should or should not be?
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> It has no legal meaning.
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> In the UK
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[12:52] <SpeedEvil> Go and look at the charity commission website for the details of the pi foundation
[12:52] <shiftplusone> http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4810:48zrwd.2.1
[12:53] <shiftplusone> Raspberry Pi is trademarked in US
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[12:54] <shiftplusone> "IC 028. US 022 023 038 050. G & S: (Based on 44(e)) Computer gaming machines; soft toys, namely, soft plush toys, teddy bears and dolls; teddy bears"
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[12:54] <shiftplusone> Looks like they really wanted to make sure they had that Babbage exclusivity down.
[12:54] <courrier> shiftplusone: the link is expired, but yeah I assume they did it the right way, I'm just thinking to what could happen if not
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[12:55] <shiftplusone> Ah, I guess it's a session link
[12:55] <RandomFactoid> Hey guys...I'm trying to get Rpi2 to work as a wireless to ethernet bridge...but no luck :/
[12:55] <courrier> I'ma actually building an openhardware stuff in the Retropie spirit, and would like to prevent legal issues like Retropie recently had by having the right trademarks asap
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[12:56] <RandomFactoid> I want my ethernet device to see my home router via rpi that's connected to home wifi as well as THAT device via cable
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[12:59] <courrier> shiftplusone: also, does protecting "Raspberry Pi" also prevent competitors to use derivatives in the same domain, such as "Raspberry Pi Projects" or something very specific like "Raspberry Pi Phone"?
[13:01] <shiftplusone> courrier: yes, the whole point is to to avoid brand confusion. So that an idiot off the street would not think that the product being sold is associated with Raspberry Pi the company/charity
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[13:06] <gordonDrogon> courrier, so what's your project and are you thinking of calling it?
[13:07] <shauno> not just idiots, to be fair. if someone says "I got a display for my raspberry pi", they could mean anything. if they say "the raspberry pi display", we assume they mean the official one that's endorsed by the foundation
[13:07] <shauno> the whole point of trademarks is to protect that assumption
[13:07] <shiftplusone> https://www.raspberrypi.org/trademark-rules/
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> courrier, ^ well worth a read ...
[13:09] <courrier> gordonDrogon: this is for https://twitter.com/arbalet_project/
[13:09] <courrier> gordonDrogon: thanks for the link :)
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[13:10] <courrier> shiftplusone: thanks for the link :) *
[13:11] <shiftplusone> shauno: "idiot off the street" or a very similar phrase is the legal rule of thumb, in Australia at least. If I remember the little bit of commercial law we did at uni. The idea being that it's the minimum standard such that if somebody who doesn't know anything about raspberry pi won't think it's a raspberry pi product, the rest of us should be protected from misleading marketing as well.It was a while back, so I may have that
[13:11] <shiftplusone> entirely wrong.
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[13:17] <courrier> shiftplusone: I'm not really concerned by "idiots" not realizing they bought couterfeiting or so, I'm more concerned about missing a very important legal protection that could allow a smart profiteer to legally use the term or derivatives such a way that a non-idiot consumer would also get caught
[13:18] <courrier> Especially the thing that happened to Retropie, if you have heared about the story
[13:18] <shiftplusone> nothing smart of new about that
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[13:19] <oq> shiftplusone: what about mediocre wine
[13:20] <mfa298> courrier: I think by having your trademark registered in one location you may get some protection else where - it's at least going to give you a strong arguing point. However it's somethign you shoul probably talk to a lawyer about. Any advice here is only worth what you paid for it
[13:21] <Drzacek> what about retropie? didn't heard anything
[13:21] <oq> Drzacek: they got sued by some troll
[13:22] <courrier> Drzacek: "RetroPie has been trademarked in the USA by a 3rd party. They are using the trademark to issue take down requests to retailers, including those who are just selling hardware listed as “compatible with RetroPie”. Meanwhile they are selling RetroPie via their website and Ebay."
[13:22] <courrier> https://retropie.org.uk/2017/02/legal-help-needed/
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[13:22] <Drzacek> I see
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[13:23] <mfa298> RandomFactoid: You're going to struggle with that, the wifi standard isn't designed to handle multiple devices over a wifi connection like that. The few devices that do briding like that will likely be doing some propietry thing between AP and bridge device - The only sensible way is to have the Pi act as a router
[13:25] <courrier> oq: yeah, there are some brokers who provide their services regarding trademarks, but costs are very high, to protect a brand in, say Europe, US and China that's somehting like €5000 PLUS taxes
[13:26] <courrier> sorry that reply was for shiftplusone
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[13:28] <shiftplusone> Might be a worthy deterrent. Would cost much more to go to court.
[13:30] <courrier> true =)
[13:39] <courrier> I got to go, thansk all :)
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[14:04] <HrdwrBoB> I think I know why my SPI screen doesn't work. I just measured the ribbon cable I'm using at ~1.1m
[14:04] <HrdwrBoB> derrrrrp
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[14:07] <password4> HrdwrBoB: and you think that is the issue?
[14:07] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah
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[14:07] <Sonny_Jim> I would
[14:08] <password4> depends on the speed
[14:08] <Sonny_Jim> SPI isn't known for being particularly 'long distance'
[14:08] <Sonny_Jim> A screen needs quite a lot of data ;)
[14:08] <password4> Sonny_Jim: i see reports of 10ms
[14:08] <password4> *10m
[14:09] <password4> it does
[14:09] <password4> but depends on how fast/slow you can feed it
[14:09] <HrdwrBoB> password4: at 10,000,000 speed?
[14:09] <password4> that is not a unit
[14:09] <HrdwrBoB> hz
[14:09] <password4> no
[14:09] <HrdwrBoB> 10 mhz
[14:10] <password4> yiou never stated you were going at 10Mhz
[14:10] <HrdwrBoB> it's a screen
[14:10] <password4> cant you reduce it while debugging?
[14:11] <HrdwrBoB> yeah I'm just going to try that
[14:11] <password4> and do you need full framerate?
[14:11] <HrdwrBoB> yeah I do
[14:11] <HrdwrBoB> and I don't need 1m of cable either
[14:11] <password4> to test if a screen work?
[14:11] <password4> do you have a scope?
[14:14] <HrdwrBoB> no
[14:14] <HrdwrBoB> I checked it was getting power
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[14:14] <HrdwrBoB> and I bench tested it a long time ago and it worked
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[14:23] <password4> man i should do more electronics
[14:24] <password4> on a side note , I think i should start trolling smart people
[14:26] <brainzap> sometimes I try to learn systemd, but at the end I just add sleep 10 && cmd to crontab
[14:26] <tsglove> lol
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[14:28] <HrdwrBoB> blegh
[14:28] <HrdwrBoB> 1mhz and it still doesn't work
[14:29] <password4> eh
[14:30] <password4> i really need to learn SPI and other protocols
[14:30] <HrdwrBoB> oh well
[14:30] <HrdwrBoB> I'll triple check my wiring tomorrow
[14:30] <HrdwrBoB> then I'll shorten it anyway
[14:31] <kihis> password4: i'm currently trying to learn SPI. must say: i understand nothing
[14:31] <HrdwrBoB> I know a modest amount about SPI now
[14:32] <HrdwrBoB> but for this purpose I'm using a TFT module that gives me a framebuffer in linux
[14:32] <HrdwrBoB> which is much much faster than accessing it with an SPI library
[14:32] <kihis> well then tell me how do i connect and run a ST7586S LCD driver with pi :D
[14:32] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[14:32] <password4> eh , I'm sure an afternoon or two will teach me , but i has so many projects going on
[14:32] <password4> luckily a big one will soon complete
[14:33] <Tatou> Question: How well does docker run on a pi?
[14:33] <password4> at last count i had 30 projects or something
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[14:34] <HrdwrBoB> Tatou: well enough
[14:34] <HrdwrBoB> but tbh if you're running docker on pi.. maybe you should rethink what you're doing
[14:36] <Tatou> Why?
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[14:40] <shiftplusone> Tatou: it runs. How well will depend on what you're doing.
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[14:41] <Tatou> shiftplusone: Why though?
[14:42] <Tatou> It is no different to running a process any other way, performance wise
[14:42] <shiftplusone> aside from loading multiple copies of libraries in memory?
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[14:42] <Habbie> shiftplusone, that can be avoided if you're careful
[14:43] <Habbie> shiftplusone, but it's a valid concern
[14:43] <Tatou> That technically doesn't happen, always..
[14:43] <Tatou> The layering in docker is pretty nifty
[14:43] <Tatou> But of course, that is only if the images and layers match up..
[14:43] <petn-randall> I'm pretty sure you can't run single instance of elasticsearch on it without running out of memory.
[14:43] <Habbie> petn-randall, but docker doesn't change that in any direction
[14:44] <Tatou> People need to learn what docker does. Because docker is literally just running a process as normal
[14:44] <Tatou> But with some sandboxing
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[14:44] <Habbie> don't confuse sandboxing with security though :)
[14:44] <Tatou> Ok, so that I do not follow.. How can running a container be dangerous?
[14:45] <Habbie> i didn't say that
[14:45] <petn-randall> Habbie: Sure, I'm not arguing with that. But people who want to use docker tend to have a little different expectations.
[14:45] <Tatou> If I told you I'd run any container you gave me .. How could you screw my machine up?
[14:45] <Habbie> i'm saying that you shouldn't think that sandboxed things are suddenly secure
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[14:45] <Tatou> Ah right ok.. So secure in what sense?
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[14:53] <password4> my container
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[14:56] <petn-randall> Remember kids, the S in IoT stands for security.
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[15:09] <password4> petn-randall: well well well said
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[15:19] <BurtyB> I get what you're saying petn-randall ;)
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[15:24] <brainzap> we ship our IoT products with SSH on ヽ(◉◡◔)ノ
[15:24] <password4> i would have used a stronger word for my praise , but it is not allowed here
[15:24] <password4> free SSH for everyone
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[15:46] <patr0clus> you get ssh, and you get ssh, and you get ssh.
[15:46] <patr0clus> everybody gets ssh!
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[15:48] <brainzap> i want mosh
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[15:53] <MaekSo> last I checked there aren't really any good mosh clients...are there?
[15:54] <Habbie> MaekSo, for what platform?
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[15:54] <MaekSo> ah, seems it has changed somewhat
[15:54] <MaekSo> Mac
[15:54] <Habbie> i just use mosh in iterm on mac
[15:54] <Habbie> but i bet there are slick apps
[15:54] <MaekSo> yea, iTerm is what I like
[15:55] <MaekSo> back when I checked I was still on Windows and used the Chrome plugin
[15:55] <Habbie> ah
[15:57] <MaekSo> I'm gonna have to go back to mosh, thanks for the reminder
[15:57] <MaekSo> now I commute these days and bring my work laptop back and forth...that'll be handy
[15:59] <mfa298> for stable sessions like that I'd tend to just prefer ssh with screen/tmux
[15:59] <mfa298> mosh is good when you're out on dodgy 3g connections though - although it's been a few years since I used it last
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[16:07] <petn-randall> I wouldn't use mosh for anything serious though, they haven't had a proper security audit of the code yet.
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[16:11] <MaekSo> just another thing for me to play with is all
[16:12] <MaekSo> I tend to avoid screen except for certain scenarios because I haven't found a good way to get scrollback. have not learned tmux yet
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[16:14] <petn-randall> MaekSo: ctrl + a + esc, then just use page up/down. Press escape to exit scrollback mode.
[16:14] <petn-randall> MaekSo: Though I prefer piping to less when I use GNU screen.
[16:14] <MaekSo> thanks, you just told me something that google didn't the 5 or so times I searched....so I'll try that later on
[16:15] <MaekSo> well of course piping is preferred, but sometimes you need the scrollback
[16:15] <petn-randall> MaekSo: You'll find things like that in the man page. I recommend looking there first in general. Especially since something called "screen" is practically un-google-able. :)
[16:16] <MaekSo> or maybe that's what I saw in my google searches and I just don't remember...it's not often I use screen at all. it's mostly for commands I suspect might hang
[16:16] <MaekSo> and yea, I usually check man pages. I've gotten better and better about that over time. it's been a while
[16:19] <MaekSo> best thing I ever did was create a bash script that is a wrapper for a sqlite database....I use that for commands and options and information I might forget. most people just keep a gigantic database/.txt file
[16:19] <MaekSo> can search, add new, update, delete entries. now stuff that I did long ago I can find because every time I do something new that looks useful, new entry in the database
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[16:21] <MaekSo> err, gigantic spreadsheet, not database
[16:21] <MaekSo> Freud
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[16:24] <mfa298> MaekSo: also Ctrl-A H will save output to screenlog.<windowid> which can be useful if you want to catch bugs or record what your doing
[16:24] <MaekSo> ooh, nice, thanks
[16:25] <MaekSo> along those lines, "script" is also pretty useful
[16:25] <MaekSo> (that's a command)
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[16:26] <mfa298> Ctrl-A ? will give you a help screen, although that doesn't explain what they do or some of the more hidden stuff
[16:30] <MaekSo> this channel is so much cooler than the other linux-related channels
[16:31] <leftyfb> "gnu screen scrollback"
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[16:31] <leftyfb> google terms for the answer
[16:32] <leftyfb> I didn't know you could use ESC, I always use [
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[16:42] <MaekSo> oh, is [ the same? then I guess my scroll complaint might remain
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[16:42] <redrabbit> ali1234: i found the solution to my 433 regenerative modules unreliability
[16:43] <redrabbit> ali1234: it works 100% solid ONLY when i run a screen 'screen RFSniffer'
[16:43] <redrabbit> in the background
[16:43] <MaekSo> yea, looks to be the same command from the man page
[16:44] <MaekSo> so yea, I've always found the scrollback in screen to be pretty garbage-y. but I understand it's trying to do a very hard job, most likely, so I'm not really faulting the team that makes it
[16:44] <password4> cheers
[16:44] <redrabbit> typing CTRL +A then ESC aint that hard
[16:44] <MaekSo> yea it's not, it just sucks
[16:44] <redrabbit> why
[16:45] <MaekSo> it messes up everything? as I recall you seem to get little snapshots of what the history of the terminal looked like rather than actual scrollback
[16:45] <MaekSo> that's been my experience anyway
[16:45] <shiftplusone> that's what happens if you use xterm scrollbars, ESC shows the actual scrollback
[16:45] <redrabbit> then you're doing it wrong
[16:47] <MaekSo> I'll try it again some day
[16:47] <MaekSo> as I said, this is years ago and that was my experience
[16:47] <MaekSo> not at all a tool I use daily
[16:48] <redrabbit> its basic stuff, i use it all the time
[16:48] <MaekSo> well thanks for the tip, I'll try again and actually spend some effort next time
[16:48] <redrabbit> you're welcome
[16:48] <MaekSo> I spent a shitload of time at the terminal daily scripting and so on. just haven't needed screen in years, so I appreciate the tip
[16:49] <MaekSo> spend*
[16:49] <redrabbit> ali1234: its looking like a software mystery to me. I simply run 'screen RFSniffer' as root and everything magically works till i close that screen
[16:50] <MaekSo> on the raspberry pi front...the coolest thing I've done with mine so far is an epaper project I just put together using python. highly recommend that thing
[16:50] <redrabbit> its not making sense to me atm but there's probably a valid reason. It works so that's good
[16:50] <redrabbit> (about 433 tools)
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[16:50] <redrabbit> epaper, looks amusing
[16:50] <redrabbit> got pics
[16:50] <redrabbit> ?
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[16:51] <MaekSo> unfortunately not, since it's at home
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[16:51] <mfa298> MaekSo: my experience is that scrollback works fine, but some things (vim being one I use most) do odd things when they reset the terminal
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[16:52] <MaekSo> I've got it display my next few appointments from google calendar, some kind of flash cards since I'm learning an east asian language, and the latest update time. probably going to add some exit codes from the latest runs of cron jobs along the right hand side as well
[16:52] <MaekSo> I've just mucked with it for a day so far
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[16:53] <MaekSo> funny thing is the hardest part was getting it to display said language's characters correctly....spent hours or that and it was actually a simple python problem
[16:54] <MaekSo> or=on
[16:54] <MaekSo> I thought I was using the wrong font or something
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[16:56] <MaekSo> got it from these guys by the way... https://www.pi-supply.com/product/papirus-epaper-eink-screen-hat-for-raspberry-pi/
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[16:56] <MaekSo> I bought the "multi-screen" pack because I couldn't find a 2.7" display anywhere else. now I have two screens that I'm not using....yet
[16:57] <MaekSo> came from the UK, but I got it way to the west coast in about a week
[16:57] <redrabbit> eink looks cool for low power/low light at night
[16:58] <redrabbit> too much screens blinding me
[16:58] <redrabbit> what would be awesome would be to use it as an irc client
[16:58] <MaekSo> yea, I love eink. you don't need an LED/LCD screen for everything
[16:58] <redrabbit> eink irc
[16:58] <redrabbit> lol
[16:58] <MaekSo> would totally work, I swear...the updates are faster than you'd think, coming from using a Kindle forever
[16:59] <MaekSo> it comes with an app, 'papirus-clock' I think, that updates seconds very cleanly/fast
[16:59] <redrabbit> what's the cost like
[17:00] <MaekSo> so it was $97 shipped for me, but I got two screens I don't need....if you wait for them to get the 2.7" screen back in stock there or adafruit it's more like $55
[17:00] <MaekSo> smaller screens are closer to $40
[17:01] <MaekSo> pricey I suppose considering you can get tiny LCD's that are quite a bit cheaper, but eink!
[17:01] <redrabbit> https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20170327070108&origin=y&SearchText=eink+display < cheapskate will be cheap
[17:01] <MaekSo> right now I'm trying to find the best way to package up what I made in to a case because it's a screen sitting on a hat and that....just doesn't fit well in a standard rpi case
[17:01] <redrabbit> there's even colorised screens
[17:02] <MaekSo> yep
[17:02] <redrabbit> i guess the question would be compatibility with the display output of the rpi
[17:02] <redrabbit> but theres's always hdmi
[17:02] <MaekSo> they've been trying to push those in to laptops for years
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[17:02] <redrabbit> its probably not ready for laptops yet
[17:03] <redrabbit> video playback must be ghosty af
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[17:04] <MaekSo> yea, pretty sure that's the problem....I even saw a screen some years back that would switch back and forth between eink and lcd somehow. apparently not as great as they were saying because it would be out now in laptops if it were
[17:05] <redrabbit> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/6-0-Inch-Eink-LCD-Display-Screen-Parts-For-Sony-PRS-T2-PRS-T2-Ebook-reader/32597379558.html
[17:05] <redrabbit> 20 bucks for this one
[17:06] <redrabbit> 800x480
[17:06] <redrabbit> looks decent
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[17:06] <shiftplusone> Hmm, the Zero USB Stem is really making me appreciate how awesome the zero is. Can just image the sd card directly using usbboot, or push a small buildroot system over usb, make it netboot, make it an ethernet or serial device... and so on. Going to make development so easy when travelling.
[17:06] <redrabbit> shiftplusone: i saw it on yt, got one ?
[17:07] <shiftplusone> One? Five >.>
[17:07] <redrabbit> :)
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[17:08] * redrabbit dont order bulk too much anymore
[17:08] <redrabbit> i prefer variety
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[17:09] <shiftplusone> I really would only need 2 max. The others are just to support ali1234 and give them away if someone in the office wants one.
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[17:12] <redrabbit> i strapped a box containing rpi0/camera/power pack/long range wifi on a out of service tv service cable that runs on top of my garden, with a system to easily get it down/put it back up
[17:12] <redrabbit> quite hilarious to have a computer in mid air
[17:12] <redrabbit> cam feed looks good as well
[17:13] <redrabbit> lasts around 48hours
[17:13] <shiftplusone> nice
[17:14] <shiftplusone> Why is it hanging there though? O_o
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[17:21] <redrabbit> shiftplusone: https://imgpost.cf/BhJYRe3.jpg
[17:21] <redrabbit> i still have to get the regular camera
[17:21] <redrabbit> this is no ir
[17:21] <shiftplusone> Ah, to look into neighbours windows, got it.
[17:22] <redrabbit> nope i dont see more that i already see from my windows for that aspect
[17:22] <redrabbit> i couldnt care less :D
[17:22] <redrabbit> its more for the fun of it and to have a look at the garden from above
[17:23] <MaekSo> you could also catch cats going at it or rodents getting in to your veggies
[17:23] <shiftplusone> if that's the story you're going with, who am I to judge.
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[17:24] <redrabbit> it has its own wireless
[17:24] <redrabbit> AP to connect to
[17:24] <MaekSo> I wish I didn't have to open the gmail web interface to mark a message as spam
[17:24] <redrabbit> with RJ45 behind
[17:24] <redrabbit> streams very smooth
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[17:24] <MaekSo> ooh, now that's nice
[17:25] <MaekSo> that's my next project (that has little to do with an rpi): a home router.....having all of my devices sit behind a full on linux box that routes traffic and so on
[17:25] <redrabbit> i need a camera with normal colors for it though
[17:25] <MaekSo> just received a 4 port NIC for that
[17:25] <redrabbit> neat
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[17:26] <MaekSo> still going to use my little tp-link router as an AP, though
[17:26] <MaekSo> but that sits behind the router
[17:26] <shiftplusone> What do you use for the housing?
[17:26] <redrabbit> i have something like that but less involved
[17:26] <redrabbit> i use my nas / server as a dhcp server
[17:26] <shiftplusone> Similar setups I've seen had problems with the camera lens fogging up.
[17:26] <redrabbit> the internet provider box does the rest
[17:27] <redrabbit> shiftplusone: a plastic box that is weather resistant
[17:27] <de-facto> Guys, I got Raspbian Jessie Lite on my RPi 3 running, well now im curious about that Pixel desktop: Do i have to flash the Pixel image or would get the exact same result installing a meta package in Raspbian Jessie Lite?
[17:27] <MaekSo> I'm going to need to set it up as a DHCP server, eventually....haven't done that before. the wireless AP will take care of that in the meantime
[17:27] <redrabbit> its strapped with black plastic as well
[17:27] <redrabbit> no fogging so far
[17:27] <redrabbit> the box have a totally transparent cover
[17:27] <shiftplusone> de-facto: you can get the same results, but just installing raspberrypi-ui-mods will drag in additional stuff you don't need.
[17:28] <redrabbit> not much quality loss from the plastic as you can see
[17:28] <de-facto> shiftplusone, which packages would i have to install to get as close as possible to the official Pixel image?
[17:29] <redrabbit> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TK0WPPY/ < that box
[17:29] <shiftplusone> the one I mentioned will do it
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[17:31] <shiftplusone> redrabbit: looks good. I suppose it would have to get quite cold for condensation to be a problem on the inside.
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[17:39] <Tatou> r
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[17:45] <redrabbit> 24£ is the best price for the official camera righT?
[17:45] <redrabbit> t
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[17:47] <redrabbit> you know youre a fat geek when you think about painting the walls on your back black to avoid reflections on your damned screen
[17:47] <redrabbit> well, im probably gonna find the darkest paper and glue it
[17:47] <kerio> reflections? of what
[17:47] <redrabbit> i have a white wall in my back
[17:47] <kerio> how is the light getting in your basement? :^)
[17:48] <redrabbit> the sun shines on it
[17:48] <redrabbit> there's a fat window just near it
[17:48] <redrabbit> so i can totally see it in my screen
[17:48] <redrabbit> :c
[17:48] <shiftplusone> paint the window
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[17:48] <redrabbit> lol
[17:48] <redrabbit> nope i like the light
[17:49] <redrabbit> not the reflections on the screen though
[17:49] <redrabbit> does anyone knows if the pimoroni blinks draws power when the leds are off
[17:50] <redrabbit> blinkt*
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[17:51] <MarioBranco> Hello PiWorl
[17:51] <MarioBranco> d
[17:51] <MarioBranco> Just try using DietPi to make a OpenVPN server
[17:52] <MarioBranco> Just works !
[17:52] <MarioBranco> Is really good
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[17:55] <BurtyB> redrabbit, it will draw some as the leds are smart but I doubt it'll be much
[17:56] <kerio> osmc or libreelec?
[17:56] <shiftplusone> try both
[17:59] <redrabbit> BurtyB: ok, so not good for battery operation
[17:59] <redrabbit> im asking because the whole thing seems warm when i pulled it off
[17:59] <redrabbit> usually its a sign of wasted power
[18:01] <kerio> typically it's a sign of thermodynamics
[18:01] <shiftplusone> heh
[18:01] <redrabbit> since the leds are off its a waste
[18:01] <ali1234> shiftplusone: does usbboot work on the zero now then?
[18:01] <redrabbit> getting warm at doing nothing
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[18:04] <shiftplusone> ali1234: yeah. Haven't done anything interesting with it, but it appears to work. Hasn't it always?
[18:04] <ali1234> nope
[18:04] <ali1234> it didn't used to be able to identify the zero correctly and would crash after stage1
[18:05] <ali1234> you could upload bare metal, but not a kernel+initrd
[18:06] <shiftplusone> ah, haven't actually checked that that works 100% only saw that the files were sent and the LED flashed.
[18:07] <ali1234> ideally it would usbboot and then bring up usb device mode
[18:07] <ali1234> this can even be done using udev hotplug rules
[18:07] <ali1234> like any usb device that needs firmware
[18:10] <BurtyB> redrabbit, led might be off but it has some smarts in there listening for the serial data
[18:10] <redrabbit> ali1234: running screen RFSniffer as root in the background seems to eliminate reliability issues with super regenerative modules
[18:10] <BurtyB> shiftplusone / ali1234 it works :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be_u500FJGU
[18:10] <ali1234> redrabbit: could be some kind of interrupt or timing issue
[18:11] <ali1234> nice one BurtyB
[18:11] <redrabbit> it totally doesnt work without it
[18:11] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: nice
[18:12] <ali1234> mind if i link your guide from zerostem.io?
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[18:16] <BurtyB> ali1234, sure
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[18:18] <Ivoah> I connected a bluetooth keyboard using bluetoothctl, but typing on it doesn't show anything on the console
[18:19] <shiftplusone> paired, connected and entered the pin?
[18:19] <Ivoah> yep
[18:19] <shiftplusone> does it show up as an input device?
[18:20] <Ivoah> how would I check that?
[18:21] <Ivoah> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/vpXKGWXx/
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[18:22] <shiftplusone> I am guessing it should show up in /dev/input/by-id/
[18:22] <Ivoah> doesn't show up
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[18:23] <shiftplusone> Don't have a bluetooth keyboard on me to check what should be happening.
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[19:07] <Ivoah> well, I got it working...
[19:07] <Ivoah> by disconnecting it
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[19:17] <giddles> hey gents, can i hang an simple 2,5" western digital pocket drive on the rpi?
[19:18] <Ivoah> giddles: I don't see why not, does it connect over USB?
[19:18] <giddles> WD elements basic storage 1.5 tb stuff
[19:18] <giddles> only usb, yes
[19:18] <Ivoah> should work fine then
[19:18] <giddles> thx for info
[19:18] <giddles> great service :)
[19:18] <Ivoah> np
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[19:51] <jamesaxl> hello
[19:51] <jamesaxl> I wonder why this problem sometime block on line 44 https://pastebin.com/FVF24np8 without any error
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[19:54] <plum> what does the error say?
[19:55] <plum> you might try changing line 44 to read
[19:55] <plum> print('close')
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[19:55] <plum> if this is python (which i'd thought it was but could be wrong)
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[19:56] <plum> here's where i read that from, the python documentation on if statements and control flow: https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/controlflow.html
[19:56] <plum> in case you want to read more
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[20:08] <jamesaxl> plum, Thank you, and how about make led Hight or low, because the program also blocks, without any error
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[20:13] <plum> jamesaxl: which line does this happen on?
[20:14] <jamesaxl> plum, always 42, if i close my hand to ultra soni for exmaple 5 secomd the program close
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[20:18] <plum> jamesaxl could you try changing the code on the lines before and after distance = round(distance, 2) to output the value of your distance variable? that way you can troubleshoot by seeing what value it is
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[20:18] <rcombs> is the free-running counter at 0x4000B420 meant to work on the Pi 3?
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[20:18] <plum> it may be an issue of code syntax, or it could be your computing logic, but that will help debug
[20:20] <mfa298> first step of fixing a computer programme - get lots of information about what's happening - either with lots of print statements or using a debugger (print statements are usually easier)
[20:21] <plum> definitely
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[20:23] <kerio> i tried libreelec with a handful of plugins
[20:23] <kerio> it all works ;o
[20:24] <kerio> the pi0w is the best thingy-to-connect-to-a-tv ever made
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[20:24] <plum> i kinda prefer the form factor of the pi normal-sized
[20:25] <plum> it's small enough for me and i like that it's closer to square-shaped :P
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[20:26] <plum> also the more powerful specs are nice but you can't really buy a pi and expect power
[20:26] <mfa298> pi3 seems to be fairly responsive for libreelec, I've found the Pi1 can be a bit sluggish at times although gets there eventually
[20:27] <plum> i'm excited for the AI stuff i've read will be built in to the pi 4 or something like that
[20:27] <kerio> wut
[20:27] <kerio> mfa298: yea it's a bit noticeable
[20:27] <plum> kinda sucks that people have this expectation that all AI should start with personal assistants though. i want mine to create things!
[20:27] <kerio> the playback is perfect tho
[20:27] <kerio> which is what matters
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[20:29] <mfa298> I've got libreelec + tvheadend and a couple of DVB-T2 dongles on my Pi3 which seems to work well.
[20:30] <mfa298> although I don't think I've actually tried recording any HD tv yet (I have streamed it to another device though)
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[20:34] <kerio> ok i need a tiny minihdmi-hdmi cable
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[20:34] <kerio> the smallest one they had on amazon is way too long
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[20:43] <redrabbit> DVB-T2 which chipset
[20:44] <redrabbit> i have a nice setup like that with dvbviewer
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[20:45] <redrabbit> it does transcoded streaming, pvr
[20:45] <redrabbit> its setup to record directly on the nas
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[21:01] <mfa298> redrabbit: a few of the strings from lsusb ID 15f4:0131 HanfTek, manuf: astrometa, product: amdvbt2
[21:02] <mfa298> they were relativley cheap one from eBay but seem to work.
[21:02] <mfa298> although I'm not sure the libreelect tvheadend has all the good stuff enabled - I might try setting stuff up on raspbian sometime
[21:03] <brianx> I'm going to repost my question: has anyone got a realtek RTL8153 or RTL8153B based usb nic that they could run an iperf on? i'm trying to see what kind of performance might be expected.
[21:05] <redrabbit> astrometa , they are theses 15$ ebay white usb dongles right mfa298 ?
[21:06] <mfa298> redrabbit: that sounds like the ones, I can't remember cost but it was around that.
[21:06] <redrabbit> with the fat plug behind
[21:06] <redrabbit> full sized old shool tv plug
[21:06] <mfa298> also known as Belling-Lee plug
[21:06] <redrabbit> they are pretty good
[21:07] <redrabbit> ordered another one to have a double tuner setup
[21:07] <redrabbit> i used to have that with the realtek chipset but they are less reliable
[21:08] <mfa298> I was plesantly surprised to find they work. The information about what T2 dongles work on linux seemed to be a bit lacking
[21:08] <redrabbit> no driver to install?
[21:08] <mfa298> seemed to just work on libreelec, and I think the same on raspbian
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[21:09] <redrabbit> i payed for a license for dvbviewer, does it all, but doesnt run on linux
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[21:10] <redrabbit> you can even watch your tv from your android phone with transcoded h264
[21:12] <mfa298> I think you can do that with tvheadend as well, although I'm not sure the libreelec build has all the stuff enabled.
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[22:04] <NineChickens> so question
[22:05] <NineChickens> Importing Y from X in python is 'from X import Y', right?
[22:05] <NineChickens> yeah
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[22:33] <plum> i can't seem to find an entirely free chatbot/ai api
[22:34] <lopta> plum: I know nothing about "chatbots" but have you tried Mycroft?
[22:34] <plum> i haven't, i'll look into it though!
[22:35] <lopta> What sort of "chatbot" are you looking for? What do you want it to do?
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[22:36] <plum> i'd love to have it "learn" conversation and evolve
[22:36] <plum> probably waaaay above what i can do at this point though
[22:38] <lopta> That's a lot to expect from code that's running on a Pi, though I suppose there might be something with a client that can run on the Pi with a back-end running on HPC somewhere.
[22:38] <lopta> (IBM perhaps)
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[23:04] <plum> ahhh makes sense
[23:04] <plum> might just wait on that for a long while then hahaha
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[23:10] <Vetuv> Hey Y'all
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[23:15] <Vetuv> Didn't see anything about this in the rules but I'm looking to contract someone to build a raspberry pi setup that can control low voltage output through radio or wifi transmission. I'm an idiot so I don't know if Raspberry Pi capable of this.
[23:16] <Vetuv> What I'm trying is to setup a irrigation program that can trigger (open and close) DC solenoid valves for a given amount of time.
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[23:25] <IanTLopp> what methods can be used to add a screen to a pi zero aside from vga and hdmi? I know that pitft's can connect via gpio as well, but are there any other specific direct connections that can be made?
[23:26] <IanTLopp> I'm interested in connecting with as clean a signal as possible, but not using hdmi or the entire gpio block, as I have to put audio out through gpio as well
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[23:27] <shauno> that's about it for the zero. it does break out composite still, but that's .. well if you're worrying about a clean signal, that's probably not what you're looking for
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[23:28] <shauno> but you can probably still use audio through gpio too, I can't imagine the pitft uses the i2s pins
[23:29] <IT_Sean> IanTLopp: you can grab the official LCD, and use the CSI connector.
[23:29] <IT_Sean> err... DSI rather.
[23:29] <IanTLopp> official lcd? you mean the 7" one?
[23:29] <IT_Sean> yes.
[23:30] <IanTLopp> okay.. what's the dsi connector?
[23:30] <IT_Sean> its the connector the offical display uses.
[23:30] <mfa298> I didn't think the zero has a dsi connector
[23:30] <IT_Sean> it's long and narrow.
[23:30] <lopta> mfa298: I think some do but not all.
[23:30] <IT_Sean> Oh, you are on a zero? sorry.
[23:30] <lopta> ...though I may be thinking of the camera connector.
[23:30] <IanTLopp> yeah a zero
[23:31] <mfa298> lopta: they added the csi (camera) connector not dsi (display)
[23:31] <IanTLopp> lopta, that you are...
[23:31] <lopta> Thanks mfa298 and IanTLopp
[23:31] <IanTLopp> anyone willing to trade a 1.3 for a 1.2? I actually need one more 1.2.
[23:31] <lopta> Oh look, it sayd "CAMERA" on it.
[23:31] <lopta> ...that's a giveaway.
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[23:32] <IanTLopp> hehe... yeah it sticks out too much
[23:33] <IT_Sean> Sorry IanTLopp. I missed the bit where you mentioned you were on a 0
[23:33] <IanTLopp> no worries...
[23:33] <IanTLopp> are there any ways to connect directly to component video? or vga?
[23:34] <IT_Sean> not without an adapter
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[23:34] <IT_Sean> there is a GPIO hat that 'll do VGA, iirc.
[23:34] <IanTLopp> only way I know how to keep gpio free for audio is to use composite, and the quality isn't the best, though I probably wouldn't notice the difference on a 320x240 or 640x480 screen
[23:35] <IanTLopp> IT_Sean, does that take up all of gpio, or can I still relegate the extra pins I need for audio?
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[23:35] <IT_Sean> dunnah... ne'er used it meself.
[23:35] <shauno> just stack boards. you don't need all the pins
[23:35] <IanTLopp> ahh, gotcha.
[23:35] <IanTLopp> shauno, what do you mean?
[23:35] <IT_Sean> doesn't it have HDMI?
[23:35] <IanTLopp> yes, but I need that separate
[23:35] <mfa298> composite video is something like 576 lines anyway so better than your 480 screen
[23:36] <IT_Sean> why does it have to be seperate?
[23:36] <IT_Sean> running 2 displays?
[23:36] <IanTLopp> because I still want to be able to connect the portable to a big screen when I'm not on the go.
[23:36] <IT_Sean> Ah, I see.
[23:37] <IanTLopp> and pitft definitely doesn't work the way I need either, heh.
[23:37] <mfa298> i think the vga hat uses quite a lot of the gpio pins
[23:37] <IanTLopp> even IF I could get audio using the display, there's no easy way to switch resolutions between the pitft and an external screen.
[23:37] <viju> Do I need to format the sdcard before the use?
[23:37] <mfa298> there are some spi screens that use a few gpio pins, although im not sure what frame rates you can get
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[23:38] <shauno> I'd just get a dac for the audio that doesn't come with the header pre-done, like pimoroni's phat dac. use a stacking header on that, so you can plug the pitft in on top of it
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[23:39] <IanTLopp> mfa298: that'd be an issue.. i'd like 60..
[23:39] <lopta> mfa298: What if I have a 405-line TC? ;-)
[23:39] <lopta> TV*
[23:39] <shauno> adafruit's docs for their pitft says; This design uses the hardware SPI pins (SCK, MOSI, MISO, CE0, CE1) as well as GPIO #25 and #24. All other GPIO are unused.
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[23:39] <IanTLopp> can't use pimorono's phat dac, though I may use that in another project... I need MUCH smaller connection
[23:39] <mfa298> lopta: then you're a dinosaur and i suspect you can't do much with it
[23:40] <lopta> (RAWR)
[23:40] <shauno> well, I really just mean any board that doesn't have the header pre-soldered, so you can use a stacking header in its place
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[23:42] <shauno> i2s for audio is pins 12, 35, 40. a display using spi is 19, 21, 23, 24 & 26. no overlap, all you gotta do is figure out how to physically mash them together
[23:42] <IanTLopp> shauno, well for my purposes I wouldn't use a header.. I'd just solder directly to it.. easier to control where things are that way.
[23:44] <lopta> I'd rather use a header.
[23:44] <IanTLopp> eventually might make a connection pcb
[23:44] <lopta> ...but each to their own.
[23:44] <IanTLopp> lopta: adds too much bulk
[23:44] <IanTLopp> I'm trying to fit this into too tight a package
[23:44] <lopta> IanTLopp: I resemble that remark.
[23:44] <IanTLopp> I *am* that remark
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[23:45] <IanTLopp> wait, was that rage dragon or raged ragon?
[23:46] <shauno> otherwise, the composite out is the one that does what you're looking for. it's unpopulated by the run header, right beside the gpio. that'd keep everything free ... only downside is it's composite
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[23:46] <IanTLopp> yep
[23:46] <IanTLopp> maybe that's okay though? not a lot of displays have composite video.
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[23:47] <oq> https://www.modmypi.com/image/data/tutorials/rca-on-zero/6.JPG
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[23:48] <IanTLopp> oq well I would be skipping the connector for the purpose of size.
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[23:51] <lopta> IanTLopp: Have you considered a right-angle header?
[23:51] <IanTLopp> still too big.
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[23:52] <IanTLopp> at thickest I'm thinking a pcb with direct trace soldering, or something similar.
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[23:57] <plm> Hi all
[23:59] <lopta> hello plm

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