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IRC Log for 2017-03-29

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[0:00] <Rukus> yeah, the best would be to try another sdcard before you start messing with yours
[0:00] <NineChickens> Are you using the raspbian SD card?
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[0:08] <bedah> ngc0202, access to a linux pc? there you can test your sd card
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[0:33] <ngc0202> Sorry I had to run to a meeting
[0:33] <ngc0202> bedah: Yes I do
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[0:41] <ngc0202> bedah: I can open the SD card and all the files are fine
[0:41] <ngc0202> is that what you mean by testing?
[0:41] <ngc0202> if not what should I do
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[0:48] <bedah> ngc0202, if it was my only sd card, and if i had a linux pc, i would try something like this: https://raymii.org/s/blog/Broken_Corrupted_Raspberry_Pi_SD_Card.html
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[0:54] <ngc0202> Is there a way to confirm that it's actually my SD card that's the problem?
[0:54] <ngc0202> I'd also like not to lose my data
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[1:06] <de-facto> hmm is there a working alternative to that weird RealVNC server on raspbian jessie?
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[1:07] <hmoney> tightvncserver?
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[1:09] <de-facto> for some reason i cannot connect with remmina to that realvnc server because it seems to use some kind of own weird protocol (wont recognize that authentication scheme)
[1:09] <de-facto> so tightvnc is the cannoncical alternative to that then?
[1:10] <brianx> yes, tightvnc is more standard.
[1:10] <brianx> you probably have to remove the nonstandard server before installing the tightvnc, but i've not tried so not 100% sure.
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[1:12] <de-facto> is realvnc know to work with anything else than the realvnc clients?
[1:12] <brianx> fscking pixel decided to install during an update recently and the machine has been unusable since so i've not gotten around to messing with the bad vnc server yet.
[1:13] <brianx> de-facto: it should work with any vnc client. they negotiate a maximum protocol version and options that they can agree on.
[1:13] <brianx> there may be settings that don't work though. i remote from my pi, not to it so it's not been a priority to fix.
[1:13] <bedah> i couldn't connect to realvnc too, i did not want to download an extra client, so i installed tightvnc
[1:14] <brianx> the foundation really needs to fire that pixel guy and return to what most of us really want.
[1:15] <de-facto> well all it produces with remmina is "unknown authentication scheme: 13, 5, 6, 130, 192"
[1:15] <de-facto> google is full of it yet i didnt find any clue what to change
[1:15] <brianx> try netcat and see what it says on connect.
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[1:16] <brianx> pixel so broke my pi that i've not gotten to vnc yet.
[1:16] <ShorTie> realvnc only likes realvnc
[1:17] <de-facto> so they broke it assuming they could make more money?
[1:17] <ShorTie> use x11vnc
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[1:18] <de-facto> i remember using that x11vnc back in the days, it worked really well after some config patience: i could even connect from a browser with html5 client novnc
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[1:20] <brianx> de-facto: maybe, but last i read it was supposed to have backward compat in it. if not, rpi foundation really really needs to fire that pixel guy. bad choices on top of bad choices.
[1:21] <de-facto> well they probably had windows clients on the other end in mind or someting like that
[1:21] <de-facto> :(
[1:23] <brianx> Simon Long is the worst employee at rpi foundation.
[1:24] * ShorTie snickers
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[1:29] <dtrainor> anyone got any resources to help me translate physical gpio pins to the broadcom values, so i can make sense of the tree, as it relates to which pins i can actually use as general purpose?
[1:29] <HrdwrBoB> https://pinout.xyz/
[1:29] <ShorTie> wiringPi has it built in i do believe
[1:30] <de-facto> hmm maybe im trying X2Go instead of VNC then :P
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[1:31] <dtrainor> thanks HrdwrBoB, I've seen that site before, only now as i've read more is it making any sense
[1:31] <brianx> de-facto: I've been wanting to try nx or one of the derivatives or peers for awhile. good luck.
[1:31] <dtrainor> so pins that are not in parentheses are general purpose?
[1:31] <dtrainor> or, if you will, "green" pins using the image on the bottom
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[1:41] <BurtyB> dtrainor, you can use anything not GND/5V/3v3 as general i/o but sda/scl have 1.8k pullups (and you prob don't want to use id_sd/id_sc)
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[1:43] <dtrainor> i'm just clicking my way through https://pinout.xyz and see that almost every pin (haven't clicked all the way through?) don't have some assignment. How do I know if that assignment is being used, specifically? I'm not suggesting your rule is wrong, but I'd like to see it in practice
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[1:44] <dtrainor> i'm setting a pin high and low and have a multimeter on it to try and see the change and want to make sure i've got the right pin
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[1:49] <ShorTie> wiringPi will tell you the state of the pin too...
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[1:50] <dtrainor> right, i've read that, through its 'gpio' command, right?
[1:50] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[1:51] <dtrainor> cool, i'll write that down and check in to it later
[1:51] <ShorTie> sure it's not installed already ??
[1:51] <dtrainor> it is not installed already
[1:51] <ShorTie> full version has it i do believe
[1:51] <dtrainor> of what, raspbian?
[1:52] <ShorTie> ya
[1:52] <dtrainor> got it. ok, i'll check in to it, thanks for the suggestion!
[1:52] <ShorTie> or it's just a apt-get install away
[1:52] <dtrainor> i'm learning lots of new things this week, quickly approaching cranium capacity
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[2:08] <de-facto> hmm x2go kinda works but not with that weird pixel desktop, rather with lxde
[2:09] <HrdwrBoB> we use x2go to publish an app here
[2:09] <HrdwrBoB> I wrapped the installer with my own custom installer and launcher
[2:09] <de-facto> is there a better alternative to pixel which also supports hardware acceleration?
[2:13] <de-facto> i can launch an LXDE session though
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[2:17] <de-facto> hmm for some reason switching from raspbian lite to raspbian pixel really made my internal wifi broken. before it used to work though
[2:17] <de-facto> not its barely connecting at all although i disabled power management
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[2:20] <ball> Hello, I am a pumpkin.
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[2:27] <dtrainor> very good.
[2:29] <Rukus> whats the acceptable way to delete all information from an sdcard ? I run linux
[2:29] <dtrainor> rm -rf, or dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<your sd card as it shows up in the ata bus>
[2:29] <ball> Rukus: Are you sure you want all trace of the files removed?
[2:29] <dtrainor> or just reimage it
[2:30] <Rukus> reimage it
[2:30] <ball> reimage it
[2:30] <Rukus> err
[2:30] <Rukus> you're right
[2:30] <ball> (though this doesn't guaranty deletion)
[2:30] <ball> guarantee*
[2:30] <dtrainor> some people are going to ask "why for" because answers are going to range from zeroing it out, to taking a sledge hammer to it, to just reimaging it and getting on your way
[2:31] <Rukus> i'm zeroing it out with dd currently. I wanted to benchmark it first, then put an image on it
[2:31] <ball> dtrainor: I was trying to ask the careful question first ;-)
[2:31] <HrdwrBoB> set it on fire
[2:31] <Rukus> i was using disks utility to benchmark, but for some reason the current partitions on it won't mount
[2:31] <HrdwrBoB> fire is the only way to be sure that all the evidence is removed
[2:31] <dtrainor> mapp gas
[2:31] * BurtyB would sand it to dust
[2:32] <dtrainor> oxyacetylene even
[2:32] <Rukus> i know where to get some
[2:32] <ball> Dust off and nuke it from orbit ...it's the only way to be sure.
[2:32] <dtrainor> arc weld it in to the blob
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[2:32] <Rukus> oxyacetalene is useless without oxygen tho
[2:32] <dtrainor> tannerite
[2:32] * BurtyB needs more desk space and another Pi :/
[2:33] <dtrainor> i had a wiring mistake where i accidentally put +5v to ground and my pi restarted once i removed the short
[2:33] <dtrainor> wonder how many of those i have left before this thing goes up in smoke
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[2:33] <Rukus> is there a way to make dd verbose?
[2:33] <Rukus> -v?
[2:33] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[2:33] <HrdwrBoB> what do you want from it
[2:34] <Rukus> i like progress bars
[2:34] <Rukus> ;D
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[2:34] <dtrainor> no heh
[2:34] <ball> Rukus: progress=NumberOfBlocks
[2:34] <dtrainor> dd doesn't look for the end of the data it's writing or the capacity of the device it's writing to
[2:34] <ball> That said, I don't know whether Linux's dd does that.
[2:34] <Rukus> oh ok
[2:34] <dtrainor> it's next to worthless, ball
[2:34] <ball> dtrainor: I do the maths for it ;-)
[2:35] <Rukus> just goes til full
[2:35] <BurtyB> "status=progress" might depending on the distro
[2:35] <dtrainor> ther aspi image docs have some suggestions but two counters both equaling the same thing with no ceiling is a pretty worthless counter to me
[2:35] <dtrainor> *the raspi
[2:35] <Rukus> this card might be fubar anyway
[2:36] <Rukus> I'm never buying anything less than a sandisk ultra again
[2:36] <BurtyB> if it isn't now writing it full of zeros might ;)
[2:36] <ball> If I'm dding a gigabyte with 16K blocks, I can use progress=819 (with NetBSD's dd) to get 80 dots to indicate progress
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[2:36] <ball> Does linux dd have something similar?
[2:36] <dtrainor> that's hacktacular
[2:36] <Rukus> BurtyB: was it a mistake to write zeros?
[2:37] <BurtyB> Rukus, writing is the killer for flash no matter what you write heh
[2:37] <Rukus> hmmm
[2:37] <Rukus> good thing they are cheap
[2:37] <dtrainor> this eMMC costs more than the raspi
[2:37] <dtrainor> that's why i am hoping to not blow it up any time soon
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[2:38] <Rukus> hey can you educate me on eMMC for hte raspi? what did you use?
[2:38] <Rukus> better choice than sdcards?
[2:38] <ali1234> no difference
[2:38] <dtrainor> i guess it depends... i've never seen an eMMC -> sd card adapter that wasn't crap
[2:38] <Rukus> hmmm then whats the point?
[2:38] <ali1234> there isn't one
[2:38] <dtrainor> so from a practical standpoint, it's not a good solution
[2:38] <Rukus> oh ok
[2:39] <dtrainor> well, i don't know about that
[2:39] <ali1234> eMMC is just an SD card, soldered to a circuit board
[2:39] <Rukus> like how long should it take to dd out an HC U1 card?
[2:39] <dtrainor> https://gist.github.com/dantrainor/92be094a9975ef38fdea6bef77e58b12
[2:39] <ali1234> they also support 8 bit transfers, but the raspberry pi does not
[2:39] <Rukus> err 16gb
[2:39] <BurtyB> emmc proper on the pi (as in CM/CM3) is a lot faster tho :)
[2:39] <Rukus> i bet theres no answer, how could u know
[2:39] <Rukus> :|
[2:39] <ali1234> true BurtyB
[2:39] <ali1234> twice as fast
[2:40] <BurtyB> ali1234, I has stems :)
[2:40] <Rukus> my Sandisk Ultra is 45MB/sec read 40MB/sec write on 100mhz
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[2:40] <dtrainor> i'm enjoying the noticeable responsiveness improvement,
[2:40] <dtrainor> i said that pretty dumbly
[2:40] <dtrainor> sorry, long day
[2:41] <Rukus> i know how you feel
[2:41] <ali1234> if you spent as much on an SD card youd probably get similar performance :)
[2:41] <dtrainor> there is a marked improvement in performance
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[2:41] <dtrainor> i had a bunch of leftover odroid boards and components and wanted to see which i could re-use
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[2:42] <ball> I found a 32G MMC card recently
[2:42] <ali1234> if you check my gpio chart: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nUnaWl_veBKlnqsDwPQUYZNKKiIYhf8f8a6e_bd1cKc/edit?usp=sharing
[2:42] <ball> I'd test that in my Raspberry Pi if I hadn't misplaced my card reader.
[2:42] <ali1234> you can see that SD1 supports 8 bit transfers, but the pins are not accessible except on compute module
[2:43] <ali1234> the regular SD slot supports 4 bit transfers though
[2:43] <ball> Is SD1 the second SD-Card slot?
[2:43] <ali1234> ball it is configurable
[2:43] <Rukus> what happens if i interrupt dd before its done?
[2:43] <ball> Rukus: It doesn't complete the wipe.
[2:43] <ali1234> either controller can be redirected to the GPIO pins or the SD slot. SD1 only can be used for wireless though (on pi 3)
[2:43] <Rukus> oh so nothing serious
[2:43] <ball> Rukus: ...but no harm is done
[2:43] <Rukus> sweet
[2:43] <ball> Rukus: (besides the harm to your data ;-)
[2:44] <Rukus> data is negligible. some hack ass rpi android install
[2:44] <BurtyB> ali1234, it can be sent to the gpio on the pi3 too but obv. no wifi as I use it for my hat
[2:44] <Rukus> sorry for swearing
[2:44] <ali1234> yes :)
[2:44] <ball> Rukus: I assumed you were referring to donkeys ;-)
[2:44] <ali1234> you can redirect devices any way you want, as shown in my chart :)
[2:44] <Rukus> thanks
[2:44] <Tachaway> the pi 3 wireless is an SDIO device?
[2:44] <Rukus> haha yess.... donkeyss
[2:44] <ali1234> you can even redirect devices to two pins at the same time
[2:44] <ali1234> Tachaway: yes
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[2:45] <ball> ali1234: For RAID1?
[2:45] <ali1234> ball: no, it won't actually work for most devices, but hardware wont stop you
[2:45] <ali1234> but for example say you wanted to scope the SD pins
[2:45] <BurtyB> ball, I've ran raid1 on the pi with both sdio controllers but it's a bit pants :(
[2:45] <ali1234> you could redirect them also to the GPIO
[2:45] <ali1234> and scope them there
[2:45] <ali1234> while still using the SD slot
[2:46] <ali1234> the i2c interface also does this... same controller is on the HAT pins and the camera connector
[2:46] <ali1234> but they are connected to different pins on the soc
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[2:46] <Rukus> i cant kill the process
[2:46] <ali1234> at least on some models anyway :)
[2:47] <Rukus> whats the right way to kill a process? kill -9 pid?
[2:48] <Rukus> n/m maybe it was something above me, it finished
[2:48] <dtrainor> thanks for the deep dive, ali1234, that's cool, thanks
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[2:49] <ali1234> i think both SD controllers also have to share a DMA
[2:49] <ali1234> i could be wrong about that
[2:49] <Rukus> i think the card is fubar
[2:49] <BurtyB> ali1234, possibly as using them both at the same time doesn't speed things up
[2:50] <ali1234> i know DMAs are limited resource :)
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[2:52] <ball> Rukus: May I PM you?
[2:52] <Rukus> yes
[2:53] <Rukus> i think i screwed up my card
[2:53] <ball> Rukus: That's unlikely
[2:54] <ali1234> if you are installing android it is not just a simple dd
[2:54] <ali1234> it partitions the card. takes ages
[2:55] <Rukus> i wonder if the android install did some special things to this card. because its not responsive atall
[2:56] <ball> Rukus: Don't worry about it.
[2:56] <Rukus> k
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[3:04] <Rukus> formatting using my phone failed too
[3:04] <Rukus> i should have screenshot the error
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[3:05] <m92> hi guys
[3:05] <m92> can RasPi act like a Bluetooth LE device?
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[3:07] <Rukus> the card is just.... done.
[3:10] <Rukus> and now i have an 8GB card that thinks it a 32GB .....
[3:10] <Rukus> i dont know how i manage this
[3:10] <Rukus> :(
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[3:10] <Rukus> its a different card
[3:10] <BurtyB> lol
[3:11] <Rukus> lol, like seriously. i usually dont break everything i touch
[3:11] <Rukus> but these sdcards are the ..... i dont even know haha
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[3:14] <Rukus> btw, status=progress was what i was thinking of
[3:14] <Rukus> for the dd progress
[3:16] <ShorTie> power problems normally are the cause of sdcard going bad
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[3:17] <ball> m92: I think some can.
[3:17] <m92> ball, RasPi 3?
[3:18] <ball> m92: My guess would be "probably"
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[3:18] <m92> mhm
[3:18] <ball> m92: ...but that's a guess.
[3:18] <GamingX2005> Hi, I'm using a Raspberry Pi B and just starting to set it up. I only have a 4GB SD card, so I've intalled Raspbian Jessie Lite on it. I've tried to network it through my laptop's wireless network, but I can't connect to the internet like this from the Pi for some reason.
[3:20] <GamingX2005> Does anybody have ideas on troubleshooting it ?
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[3:23] <Rukus> this is not really a pi question
[3:23] <Rukus> is it?>
[3:24] <Rukus> like, how is the pi connected to the laptop?
[3:24] <Rukus> with a crossover cable?
[3:24] <GamingX2005> Through Ethernet
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[3:24] <Rukus> Are you using a crossover cable?
[3:24] <GamingX2005> Yeah
[3:24] <Rukus> oh ok
[3:24] <Rukus> so, is there some setting you setup on your laptop? like hotspot sharing, etc?
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[3:25] <ShorTie> crossover cable is a thing of the past
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[3:25] <Psi-Jack> heh
[3:25] <Rukus> i dunno, this is kind of crazy
[3:25] <GamingX2005> Rukus, Yeah, I just go into my wireless adapter and then enable Internet Sharing on it
[3:25] <ball> GamingX2005: Your laptop would need to be bridging or routing your traffic to the wireless router.
[3:25] <ball> Is "Internet Sharing" a Windows thing?
[3:26] <GamingX2005> ball, Yeah, I enabled the Internet sharing option on it which should allow the Raspberry Pi to
[3:26] <GamingX2005> http://carbonstone.blogspot.com/2014/02/connecting-to-pi-from-laptops-ethernet.html
[3:26] <ball> GamingX2005: Key word there is "should". Can you ping the laptop?
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[3:27] <ball> GamingX2005: ...do the laptop and Pi have static IP addresses for their wired Ethernet ports?
[3:28] <GamingX2005> ball, Nope. I'm not able to ping it. I've enabled DHCP so no static IP addresses
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[3:28] <ball> GamingX2005: You may want to fix that.
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[3:29] <Rukus> you ping your hostname and nothing?
[3:29] <ball> Rukus: Try not to confuse GamingX2005 please.
[3:29] <Rukus> i'm not
[3:30] <Rukus> the guide mentions to ping his hostname
[3:30] <ball> My guide doesn't ;-)
[3:30] <Rukus> lol k\
[3:30] <Rukus> you help, i'll forget about it
[3:30] <Rukus> and worry about my stupid sdcard
[3:30] <Rukus> ;D
[3:30] <GamingX2005> ball, Umm. You mean, I need to disable dhcp on my router ?
[3:30] <ball> GamingX2005: NO!
[3:31] <Rukus> !!!!
[3:31] <ball> !!1!
[3:31] <Rukus> bahahah
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[3:31] <Rukus> sorry, i used to be new too
[3:31] <ball> GamingX2005: Does your laptop run Linux?
[3:31] <Rukus> (still am in some regards)
[3:31] <GamingX2005> ball, Haha, alright. Just checking. My understanding on dhcp is a little low. It runs Windows
[3:31] <GamingX2005> ball, Windows 7 to be specific
[3:31] <ball> Rukus: We're all new at something.
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[3:32] <ball> GamingX2005: I have no knowledge of how "Internet connection sharing" works on Windows, but I know some people who would be able to explain it. Are you willing to humour me and run some tests?
[3:33] <GamingX2005> ball, Sure! I'm sure I'll learn something in the process
[3:33] <Rukus> i love this attitude!
[3:33] <Rukus> :)
[3:33] <ball> GamingX2005: Great. May I PM you?
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[3:33] <GamingX2005> ball, Go right ahead
[3:33] <Rukus> but but i need your help, ball
[3:33] <Rukus> 7948206080 bytes (7.9 GB, 7.4 GiB) copied, 824.873 s, 9.6 MB/
[3:33] <Rukus> my dd finished
[3:34] <ball> Rukus: Great! Unplug the card and tail dmesg to see whether it tells you what went away.
[3:34] <Rukus> [122396.666061] mmc1: card e624 removed
[3:34] <Rukus> isthat what i wanted?
[3:35] <ball> Rukus: Probably, hang on.
[3:35] <Rukus> [122446.755974] mmc1: new high speed SDHC card at address 0001
[3:35] <Rukus> [122446.756331] mmcblk0: mmc1:0001 SD16G 14.6 GiB
[3:35] <Rukus> when i insert the "bad" one
[3:35] <ball> GamingX2005: I can't PM you. Let's start by setting a static IP on *just* the wired Ethernet port on your laptop. Do you know how to do that?
[3:36] <ball> GamingX2005: Thanks
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[3:37] <Rukus> ugh, heres what messed it up
[3:37] <Rukus> [119926.686058] mmcblk0: mmc1:0001 SD16G 14.6 GiB
[3:37] <Rukus> [120020.466080] mmc1: Card removed during transfer!
[3:38] <Rukus> bet you any money. when i tried interrupting, it wasnt done and i thought it was
[3:38] <ball> Rukus: I doubt that harmed it.
[3:38] <ball> ...though it may have annoyed Linux
[3:38] <Rukus> Error mounting /dev/mmcblk0p6 at /media/jared/boot: Command-line `mount -t "vfat" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,utf8=1,showexec,flush" "/dev/mmcblk0p6" "/media/jared/boot"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: /dev/mmcblk0p6: can't read superblock
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[3:39] <Rukus> how do i stop linux from trying to automount this card?
[3:40] <Rukus> wait got it
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[3:48] * ball sighs
[3:48] <Rukus> windows 10 in virtualbox found it
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[3:48] <Rukus> lets see what it does
[3:49] <Rukus> it thinks its 1GB
[3:49] <Rukus> aaaan frozen
[3:50] <Rukus> heeyyy it loaded a partition!
[3:50] <Rukus> now what?
[3:50] <ball> Rukus: You're doing it wrong.
[3:50] <Rukus> never tell someone they are doing something wrong
[3:50] <Rukus> :P
[3:51] * ball shrugs
[3:51] <Rukus> anyway, what should i do?
[3:51] <Rukus> linux wont recognize it, windows will
[3:52] <ball> Rukus: What does BSD think? ;-)
[3:52] <Rukus> lets no get complicated
[3:52] <Rukus> not*
[3:53] <d0rm0us3> hmmm... sounds like it was formatted for doze and you don't have samba loaded... that would prohibit the mount wouldn't it ball?
[3:53] <ball> Sounds as though Linux is the complicated one.
[3:53] <ball> d0rm0us3: No.
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[3:54] <Rukus> well windows found all the partitions, see what i can do
[3:54] <ball> Rukus: You need help from someone who knows Linux. My *guess* is that "fdisk mmc1" might show you the partition map, but that's a guess.
[3:54] <ball> Rukus: Did you make partitions on the SD card?!
[3:54] <Rukus> if linux didnt hanf
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[3:55] <Rukus> there was alwa<ys partitions onthe card
[3:55] <Rukus> it was an android installk
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[3:55] <ball> Rukus: Not after you used dd to write zeros to it.
[3:55] <Rukus> it never wrote any zeros
[3:55] <Rukus> it didnt even get past initalizing th card is my guess
[3:55] <ball> Hmm... that's dismal.
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[3:57] <EvanR> i am new to raspberry pi. Is it feasible / convenient to modify the linux distribution so as to adjust boot time and the way it looks ?
[3:57] <hmoney> i know wrong channel, but anyone here run PIA as well as plex?
[3:57] <EvanR> on boot
[3:57] <ball> Rukus: When you plug the card in, does dmesg still call it "mmc1:"?
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[3:57] <ball> hmoney: No idea what that is.
[3:58] <hmoney> pia=vpn, plex=xbmc fork
[3:58] <ball> Oh.
[3:58] * ball loses interest.
[3:58] * hmoney pumps ball back up with enthusiasm
[4:00] * ball goes back to looking for his microSDHC card reader
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[4:12] <Rukus> ball, ive handed over the access to windows
[4:12] <Rukus> going to try a partition program there
[4:12] <Rukus> can anyone recommend one
[4:13] * ball doesn't use Windows for that.
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[4:14] <ball> I suppose the disk manager plug-in lets you repartition and format media
[4:14] <ball> ...obviously, this should be used with care.
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[4:16] <binaryhermit> obviously, you're going to want to back up your data from whatever you're partitioning if there is any and you want to keep it
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[4:16] * ball nods
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[4:17] <ball> That's a good rule of thumb. Considering that Rukus tried using dd to write zeros to the card earlier, I think it's fair game. ;-)
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[4:17] <Rukus> the data is negligible
[4:17] <Rukus> but you're right
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[4:18] <d0rm0us3> sdformat
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[4:19] <IanTLopp> I'm looking carefully at the pcb of the pi3, and there's a little thing that says A/V beside the headphone jack... what's that for? (I see two traces on the other side it looks like are meant to be soldered to - pins labeled pp40 and pp39)
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[4:19] <ball> IanTLopp: If it's a B+ or newer, the "headphone" jack carries video *and* audio
[4:20] <ball> ...making it an a/v port.
[4:20] <d0rm0us3> Rukus, https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/
[4:20] <IanTLopp> oh NEAT! what kind?
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[4:20] <ball> composite PAL or NTSC, probably
[4:20] <Rukus> thx d0rm0us3
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[4:20] <IanTLopp> AHH... so I CAN connect composite to this little beasty - neat to know.
[4:20] <ball> (technically baseband is neither PAL nor NTSC)
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[4:20] <hmoney> rukus: win32diskimager to write a new image
[4:20] <ball> ...but nobody but me cares ;-)
[4:20] <IanTLopp> well it's listed as model B
[4:21] <Rukus> thx hmoney
[4:21] <IanTLopp> Raspberry Pi 3 Model B V1.2
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[4:21] <ball> IanTLopp: That counts.
[4:21] <IanTLopp> okay.
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[4:21] <IanTLopp> also right at the end of the GPIO there are two holes/pins with the rather ominous moniker "run" beside it.. what's that?
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[4:22] <ball> IanTLopp: I could guess, but I'd be guessing.
[4:23] <IanTLopp> ball: in the dictionary, under redundant, it says see redundant
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[4:23] <leftyfb> IanTLopp: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=82963
[4:23] <leftyfb> IanTLopp: first result on google
[4:23] * ball is from the Department of Redundancy Department.
[4:23] <hmoney> dns server
[4:23] <IanTLopp> leftyfb, how DARE you call me out on my lack of googling simple things... again....?
[4:23] <hmoney> nic card
[4:24] * hmoney is helping
[4:24] <Rukus> yes, yes you are
[4:24] * Rukus pats hmoney's head
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[4:26] <hmoney> i wish pHAT dacs weren't so expensive to ship to the U.S. :(
[4:26] <Rukus> whats that
[4:26] <Rukus> i'll look it up
[4:26] <Rukus> (sorry)
[4:26] <hmoney> a DAC for a pi/pi zero :P
[4:26] <IanTLopp> hmoney: you looking at the pi zero?
[4:26] <Rukus> :P
[4:26] <IanTLopp> yeah.
[4:26] <leftyfb> hmoney: https://www.adafruit.com/products/3016
[4:26] <IanTLopp> $15 is not bad - but then adding adafruit's shipping.
[4:26] <hmoney> yeah the cost isnt bad
[4:26] <Rukus> a DAC would be nice for my media centre, but not necessary
[4:26] <hmoney> it's the shipping
[4:27] <ball> The Pi Zero probably ships with a DAC.
[4:27] <IanTLopp> I *think* they ship for free over $100 orders.
[4:27] <ball> ...not sure how it sounds though.
[4:27] <hmoney> also they weren't out of stock a week ago
[4:27] <IanTLopp> ball: nope.
[4:27] <IanTLopp> the pi zero has no analog audio out.
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[4:27] <hmoney> well technically the hdmi carries a/v
[4:27] <ball> IanTLopp: Oh! I didn't know that.
[4:27] <hmoney> mini hdmi*
[4:27] <leftyfb> hmoney: https://www.adafruit.com/products/3436
[4:27] <ball> hmoney: That's digital though, so no DAC.
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[4:28] <hmoney> leftyb: that's cute, but i'm not making anything for ants to listen to
[4:28] <hmoney> :x
[4:28] <leftyfb> I think it's got pre-amp
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[4:29] <leftyfb> or maybe not, nm
[4:29] <hmoney> yeah i read online that you can use a few caps and such and get some low low low quality sound out of it
[4:29] <IanTLopp> I need 2 speakers that can fit inside an SNES controller, sideways.
[4:29] <hmoney> https://learn.adafruit.com/introducing-the-raspberry-pi-zero/audio-outputs
[4:29] <ball> hmoney: Heh... good luck with the sound quality from those. ;-)
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[4:30] <hmoney> bbl my dudes
[4:30] <hmoney> ball keep on rollin'
[4:31] <Rukus> later homey
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[4:32] <IanTLopp> Rukus: that's hmoney, not homey
[4:33] <Rukus> i know.....
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[4:33] <Rukus> ball, linux can see the sdcard again
[4:33] <Rukus> now what
[4:33] <Rukus> windows did nothing for it
[4:33] <ball> Rukus: What does it show up as (device name)?
[4:34] <Rukus> where?
[4:34] <Rukus> Disk /dev/sdb: 14.6 GiB, 15640559616 bytes, 30547968 sectors
[4:35] <Rukus> that?
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[4:36] <ball> Rukus: Great!
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[4:37] <Rukus> back to square 1
[4:37] <ball> Rukus: Is it a 16G card?
[4:37] <Rukus> yes
[4:37] <ball> Great!
[4:38] <ball> Rukus: Now, what would you like to do with it?
[4:38] <Rukus> you're optimistic and i am just over here being grumpy
[4:38] <Rukus> i wanna delete all partitions and make one large one for PINN
[4:38] <ball> What is a PINN?
[4:38] <Rukus> liks NOOBS, but not NOOBS
[4:38] <Rukus> like*
[4:39] <Rukus> https://github.com/procount/pinn
[4:39] <ball> ok. Do you have an image for PINN?
[4:40] <Rukus> no.
[4:40] <Rukus> it doesnt work that way
[4:40] <Rukus> i need fat32
[4:40] <ball> Rukus: I'd have Windows create that then.
[4:41] <Rukus> windows only sees the recovery partition of 1GB
[4:41] <ball> Rukus: Are you *sure* it doesn't come with an image?
[4:41] <Rukus> yes
[4:41] <Rukus> ok this card is garbage
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[4:42] <ball> Rukus: I'd test it in another reader before declaring that.
[4:44] <Rukus> i did
[4:44] <Rukus> i have two different usb (same model) and my internal
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[4:44] <ball> Rukus: Are you able to read from every sector on the card?
[4:44] <Rukus> how would i know?
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[4:45] <ball> dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null bs=16384 progress=11933 ?
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[4:45] <ball> (or the Linux equivalent)
[4:45] <ball> ...might need rsdb
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[4:46] <Rukus> this is ridiculous
[4:46] <ball> Rukus: Then throw it away.
[4:46] <Rukus> this card is worth exactly 1/4 of what i make an hour
[4:46] <ball> Rukus: Perhaps you've invested more time in it than the card is worth.
[4:46] <ball> brb
[4:47] <dtrainor> asdasdasd
[4:47] <dtrainor> oof
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[4:48] <Rukus> im so grumpy
[4:48] <Rukus> i need another beer
[4:48] <Rukus> i really appreciate the help though
[4:48] <Rukus> it is worth my time
[4:48] <Rukus> the card just.... seems to be ... not
[4:49] <ball> Anyone: is "sdb" the whole card, on Linux?
[4:49] <Rukus> no
[4:49] <ball> Rukus: What is then?
[4:50] <Rukus> Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type
[4:50] <Rukus> oops
[4:51] <Rukus> there are five paritions
[4:51] <ball> Rukus: sdb0..4 ?
[4:51] <Rukus> ugh
[4:51] <Rukus> why does this matter
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[4:51] <ball> Rukus: I just wondered.
[4:51] * ball <- trying to learn about Linux
[4:51] <Rukus> oh
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[4:52] <Rukus> /dev/sdb1 2048 2285156 2283109 1.1G e W95 FAT16 (LBA)
[4:52] <Rukus> /dev/sdb2 2285157 30547967 28262811 13.5G 5 Extended
[4:52] <Rukus> /dev/sdb5 2285568 2351101 65534 32M 83 Linux
[4:52] <Rukus> /dev/sdb6 2351104 2480127 129024 63M c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[4:52] <Rukus> /dev/sdb7 2482176 30547967 28065792 13.4G 83 Linux
[4:52] <ball> So "sdb" doesn't span the whole card?
[4:54] <Rukus> no....
[4:54] <Rukus> it has 5 partitions
[4:54] <ball> So how do you image the whole card, partitions and all?
[4:54] <Rukus> with dd?
[4:55] <Rukus> using /dev/sdb as target
[4:55] <ball> ...so sdb *does* span the whole card.
[4:56] <ball> brb
[4:57] <Rukus> yeah
[4:57] <Rukus> i guess it does
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[4:59] <Rukus> oh yes
[4:59] <Rukus> writing some zeros
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[5:01] <ball> Rukus: Using something like "dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null bs=16384 progress=11933" ?
[5:01] <ball> Oh wait, that's a read ;-)
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[5:01] <Rukus> almost
[5:02] <Rukus> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=16384 status=progress
[5:02] <ball> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=16384 progress=11933 count=954624 ?
[5:02] <Rukus> what are your last two options for?
[5:02] <Rukus> im not familiar
[5:03] <ball> count tells it where to stop (before it runs off the end of the card ;-)
[5:03] <Rukus> 768229376 bytes (768 MB, 733 MiB) copied, 33.3788 s, 23.0 MB/
[5:03] <Rukus> its froze there
[5:03] <ball> Rukus: Sounds like a broken card then.
[5:03] <Rukus> the card is done
[5:03] <ball> Who was it suggested we set fire to it? >:-)
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[5:05] <ball> Alright. I'm off to bed.
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[5:44] <Rukus> what block size should i use when writing an image
[5:48] <hmoney> The allowed block sizes are 1024, 2048, 4096, but nobody has used anything other than 4096 for many years.
[5:48] <hmoney> taken from: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=133349
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[6:01] <Evidlo> can the boot partition of one distro work if I replace root with another distro?
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[6:07] <ali1234> Evidlo: mostly. you need the modules (in /lin/modules) to match the kernel
[6:07] <ali1234> it will boot up without them, but things won't work
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[6:08] <Evidlo> I ask because the only distro I can get booting is raspbian
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[6:25] <IanTLopp> what is that pin setup thing that you need to solder into the gpio holes on the pi zero called? I can't google search for something I can't name... :(
[6:26] <ali1234> 0.1" header
[6:26] <IanTLopp> *rolls eyes* seriously should have known that.
[6:26] <IanTLopp> thanks
[6:26] <ali1234> also known as dupont
[6:27] <IanTLopp> well I'm just trying to find one from adafruit to attach a pitft to my pi zero w I have coming in.
[6:27] <ali1234> https://www.adafruit.com/products/2822
[6:28] <IanTLopp> yep - that's the bizitch
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[6:35] <GreeningGalaxy> ack, don't buy that from adafruit. you can probably get break-away pins like that for a fraction of the price on Amazon or something.
[6:36] <GreeningGalaxy> I could get like ten Pis' worth of header pins from Micro Center for about 5 bucks, and they're not exactly the cheapest option around
[6:36] <IanTLopp> checking ebay at the moment
[6:38] <IanTLopp> I know... all the damn ebay 2x20's are right angle connectors... grr
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[6:39] <GreeningGalaxy> you can also just get single-file pins and solder two of them side by side. That's what I always do. Once they're soldered on, the difference is completely irrelevant.
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[6:40] <brianx> i happened to have just bought 10 pi's worth of .1" headers for $1 delivered on Aliexpress.
[6:40] <IanTLopp> brianx: link?
[6:40] <GreeningGalaxy> and how long did that take to get to you? lol
[6:40] <ali1234> i have a giant box full of them in different colours
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[6:41] <ali1234> on ebay search for 2.54mm instead of 0.1"
[6:42] <brianx> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/IanTLopp/32648493200.html
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[6:43] <IanTLopp> those are 1x40's, the pi's are 2x20's, or the older ones are 2x13'
[6:43] <IanTLopp> can they just be snapped down to size?
[6:43] <brianx> GreeningGalaxy: i bought from another seller and they didn't use china post so it took 26 days. all my china post deliveries made it in 19 days or less.
[6:43] <ali1234> yes
[6:43] <ali1234> but it can be tricky to solder two rows in straight
[6:43] <brianx> IanTLopp: yes, you can.
[6:44] <IanTLopp> oh, okay.
[6:44] <brianx> i plug them into an ide cable and then solder them.
[6:44] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10PCS-40Pin-2-54mm-Double-Row-Straight-Male-Pin-Header-Strip-Pin-Length-11-2mm-/302083955137?hash=item46559b59c1:g:-5AAAOSw8gVX5Ovo
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[6:53] <IanTLopp> dang, you go from one row to two rows, it skyrockets the price!
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[6:56] <IanTLopp> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot20-2-54mm-pitch-2-x-20-Pin-Male-Double-Row-Pin-Header-Strip-Breakable-109G-td-/300943428955?hash=item4611a04d5b:g:eekAAOxy--NRpwye cheapest I've found
[6:56] <IanTLopp> I think I'll just snag those 1x40's... cheaper and more versatile
[6:57] <brianx> yeah, 20x2 is generally about double 40x1.
[6:57] <ali1234> the ones i linked are 2x40
[6:57] <ali1234> 10 for £1
[6:57] <ali1234> 2x20 has to be cut in half by hand by someone, that's why it costs more
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[6:58] <brianx> i just wasn't seeing the 40x2 ones, so i didn't compare them.
[6:59] <brianx> in any case, IanTLopp, poke the little hole blocker thingy out of an ide connector (the pin key) and plug your single row header into that before soldering, it keeps the pins nice and straight.
[7:00] <IanTLopp> don't even need that - just use the pitft female header to do it ;)
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[7:00] <brianx> i used the ide cable because i have tons and if i melt one, i just don't care much.
[7:01] <brianx> but either way works.
[7:02] <IanTLopp> eh, good point
[7:02] <IanTLopp> I probably have a few in storage
[7:02] <IanTLopp> so just ordered it meself
[7:02] <IanTLopp> why do so many displays on aliexpress have sd card slots?
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[7:07] <ap4lmtree> is mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian the current correct respository?
[7:07] <ap4lmtree> and can i use stretch instead of jessie?
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[7:14] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.rtl-sdr.com/controlling-rc-car-rpitx/
[7:14] <Sonny_Jim> That's pretty cool
[7:14] <Sonny_Jim> Controlling an RC car using a Pi and no extra hardware
[7:14] <Sonny_Jim> Not a whole lot of details though
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[7:19] <Lartza> What details does one need? :D
[7:20] <Lartza> Kind of neat you can do RF directly from GPIO :O
[7:21] <brianx> kinda needs a notch filter, but works without.
[7:22] <GreeningGalaxy> I wonder if there are any devices out there with GPIOs that could be used as a phased array when pinned out on a 0.1" grid
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[7:24] <Sonny_Jim> Lartza: Something more than just a video. Like a link to the source
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[7:24] <Sonny_Jim> Protocol specs, anything really
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[7:55] <ap4lmtree> have any of you ever gotten structure needs cleaning
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[8:13] <mfa298> Sonny_Jim: sounds like it's probably doing the same as PiFM but maybe using gnuradio as a frontend.
[8:13] <Sonny_Jim> mfa298: There's more info on the rpitx page
[8:13] <mfa298> so it's going to be splattering all over other band that you probbly shouldn't be
[8:13] <Sonny_Jim> Nothing about the RC car implementation, but it gives you a good overview
[8:14] <Sonny_Jim> https://github.com/F5OEO/rpitx
[8:14] <Sonny_Jim> Takes in .iq files, which is kinda cool
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[8:17] <Evidlo> anyone here using testing?
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[8:20] <ap4lmtree> doo you guys have to replace your sd cards often?
[8:22] <IanTLopp> haven't had to replace mine in ages.
[8:22] <ap4lmtree> i keep getting structure needs cleaning
[8:23] <genericuser123> had mine left in for at least 2-ish years or so now, in a rpi2
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[8:23] <ap4lmtree> and i did a forced fsck check at boot but i still have issues
[8:24] <genericuser123> surprised it hasn't corrupted with the random power outages these days. Maybe that was a rpi 1 thing?
[8:24] <ap4lmtree> i guess i will buy a new sd card
[8:24] <genericuser123> how are you shutting down the pi am4lmtree? safely? or by unplugging power?
[8:24] <ap4lmtree> i think i had a few power outages or something
[8:25] <ap4lmtree> and then that destroys the sd card?
[8:25] <genericuser123> that could corrupt the sd card
[8:25] <genericuser123> reinstalling it can fix it in my experience
[8:25] <brainzap> good morning EU
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[8:25] <IanTLopp> I've got an old m.2 16GB drive laying about... I wonder if it'd be useful to get an m.2 to usb adapter and run that for the pi, or if I'm just wasting money.
[8:25] <IanTLopp> it's for an OctoPI setup
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[8:26] <IanTLopp> also, for touchscreen purposes, would I need/be better off with a 4 wire or 5 wire setup?
[8:26] <ap4lmtree> i did a sudo touch /forcefsck and i sitll have issues
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[8:28] <ap4lmtree> yeah, you can boot from usb rather than sd card , right?
[8:29] <IanTLopp> yes
[8:29] <IanTLopp> but I'm wondering if it's worth the $20-30 adapter for a 16GB card, when all I'm really using it for is running OctoPI
[8:31] <ap4lmtree> huh
[8:31] <ap4lmtree> why not just stick it in the regular sd port
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[8:33] <IanTLopp> it's not an sd card
[8:33] <IanTLopp> it's an m.2 card
[8:33] <ap4lmtree> m2 card?
[8:33] <ap4lmtree> that is probably outdated and you should use something current
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[8:33] <ap4lmtree> it is likely to break probably like my micro sd card did
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[8:36] <ap4lmtree> do you guys think it is better to boot from a usb stick than micro sd ?
[8:38] <mfa298> I'm not sure a usb stick is going to be much different to using an sd card
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[8:38] <mfa298> aiui they use the same sort of setup internally
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[8:38] <ap4lmtree> what i want is something that wont end up getting broken, and i guess those two mediums are both flash memory, so it is the same eh?
[8:39] <mgottschlag> IanTLopp: you are probably not seeing much of a difference between the m.2 card and a good USB stick
[8:39] <mgottschlag> so e.g. a sandisk ultra fit might provide better performance at lower price, even if you one day use it for USB3 stuff
[8:40] <mgottschlag> (and probably more capacity as well)
[8:40] <mgottschlag> ap4lmtree: m.2 is certainly not outdated... it is what replaces 2.5" SSDs :)
[8:40] <mfa298> get a good branded sd card, or move the root filesystem to a usb hdd/ssd (or everything to hdd/ssd if it's a pi3)
[8:41] <mgottschlag> (where good branded SD card basically boils down to Samsung EVO+ if you want maximum performance for reasonable price iirc)
[8:41] <ap4lmtree> mgottschlag, he was talking abouta 16gb one, i think it is an old one
[8:41] <mgottschlag> it's still SATA, so better than any SD card
[8:42] <ap4lmtree> yeah, thats true
[8:42] <mgottschlag> and m.2 isn't that old, it's just a short booster SSD
[8:42] <mgottschlag> the 20mm length variant probably
[8:46] <IanTLopp> mgottschlag, I just have an extra on hand - it came out of my present chromebook
[8:47] <mgottschlag> yeah, but an adapter is probably just as expensive as a good USB stick or SD card
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[8:48] <ap4lmtree> IanTLopp, your m2 stick looks like this? https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&N=100011693%20600488413%208000&IsNodeId=1 ?
[8:48] <IanTLopp> mgottschlag, that's what I'm thinking
[8:49] <IanTLopp> ap4lmtree, pretty much... it's a 42mm unit - same unit that comes out of a c720 chromebook
[8:49] <ap4lmtree> oh, it probably lookslike this then: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kingston-16-GB-M-2-NGFF-mSATA-SSD-Chromebooks-Acer-/201851333233?hash=item2eff46ea71:g:V34AAOSwMtxXrlSw
[8:49] <IanTLopp> I don't need a lot of storage for the octopi setup
[8:49] <IanTLopp> yeah, that's closer
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[8:59] <ap4lmtree> IanTLopp, it looks like for m2 to usb you would also require a power source too
[8:59] <IanTLopp> that's odd... shouldn't need it as the m.2 uses very little power.
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[9:00] <ap4lmtree> maybe not then
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[9:01] <IanTLopp> pointless though, as mgottschlag pointed out. I can get a bigger flash drive for less money.
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[9:02] <ap4lmtree> yeah, but usb flash and sd cards aren't as reliable
[9:03] <ap4lmtree> for instance, my sd card broke, i think because i had too many power outages, that wouldn't happen with a m2 or ssd card
[9:03] <ap4lmtree> or if you write lots on the hd
[9:04] <ap4lmtree> i think mine might have broke because i didn't change my resilio-sync cache location too or something
[9:05] <IanTLopp> for a generic octopi setup... not too worried about it.
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[9:06] <ap4lmtree> oh i see
[9:07] <ap4lmtree> you have a 3d printer?
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[9:08] <IanTLopp> yep
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[9:11] <ap4lmtree> IanTLopp, what are you planning on making with it?
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[9:15] <IanTLopp> all kinds of stuff... right now printing other parts for the pi :)
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[9:15] <IanTLopp> eventually, the parts for a dl; printer
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[10:52] <brainzap> 3d print me a raspberry pi 4 please
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[10:58] <ShorTie> all done, it's over there in that blak hole
[10:59] <ShorTie> s/blak/black/
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[11:04] <brainzap> how do I ask the router/DNS what he thinks is the name of an IP?
[11:06] <Tachaway> host
[11:06] <Tachaway> ping will resolve it too I think if host isn't installed
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[14:43] <themagmaforce> what OS there is to be used with docker services? is there any coreOS for raspberry pi?
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[14:51] <brainzap> any debian based should do
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[14:53] <Anatzum> also there are openSUSE images i belive not 100% though
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[14:53] <kingarmadillo> hi, does anyone know of a "safe" method for adding noise to my browsing history? I want to add noise so it is nearly useless for ISPs. By safe i mean i dont want to go to websites that will get me on a list
[14:55] <Viper168> isn't freedom great
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[14:56] <Viper168> they do say freedom isn't free, and it's becoming very clear it costs a price the majority of us can't afford
[14:56] <kingarmadillo> yea
[14:56] <Spaulding> themagmaforce: hyprion
[14:56] <kingarmadillo> so im wondering if there is a way i can at least make my data somewhat useless
[14:56] <Spaulding> s/hyprion/hyptiot
[14:56] <Spaulding> daaarn!
[14:56] <Spaulding> s/hyptiot/hypriot
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[14:56] <Spaulding> http://blog.hypriot.com
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[14:57] <themagmaforce> brainzap: it's seems the best choice.. there is arch aswell that it's pretty light but may not be stable depending on the usecase..... but as raspberry pi has the handy sdcard it would be cool if there an image, and then you configure your dockerfile docker-compose.yaml from a PC directly on the sdcard, and then add and configure the services like there were
[14:57] <themagmaforce> plugins/mods, and the raspberry pi on boot would build and start them
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[14:57] <themagmaforce> nice blog Spaulding , thanks
[14:57] <Spaulding> no probs mate!
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[15:21] <de-facto> Guys, how come the CHROMIUM_FLAGS in /etc/chromium-browser/default arent honored?
[15:21] <de-facto> i want to configure chromium with --disk-cache-size=1 --media-cache-size=1 --incognito so it wont wear out my sdcard too quickly
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[15:22] <de-facto> that is on rasbian jessie pixel
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[15:24] <shiftplusone> possibly because rpi-chromium-mods overrides those settings or because the packaging files don't properly match the chromium version (chromium has moved some locations around, so the package might be using wrong locations for things).
[15:24] <shiftplusone> but I don't know
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[15:25] <fred1807> now that omxplayer accepts --adev alsa , what number is hdmi and what number is analog? omxplayer --adev alsa[0:0] ?
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[15:28] <lkllnd> hey, can anyone help me? my mouse stopped working so im trying to use my Pi with my keyboard only. how do i access the wifi menu via keyboard? i tried modifying the /etc/network/interfaces file but that didnt really work
[15:29] <lkllnd> is there any way to just get into the menu in the task bar?
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[15:30] <shiftplusone> lkllnd: restore the interfaces file to what it was.
[15:31] <shiftplusone> lkllnd: wpa_passphrase "YOUR_SSID" | sudo tee -a /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[15:31] <shiftplusone> enter the wifi password and press enter
[15:31] <shiftplusone> sudo wpa_cli reconfigure
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[15:34] <lkllnd> is wpa_passphrase a terminal command? if yes, my SSID has an exclamation mark
[15:34] <lkllnd> when i try to enter it, the terminal returns an error
[15:34] <lkllnd> shiftplusone:
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[15:35] <Spaulding> lkllnd: it's not
[15:35] <Spaulding> shiftplusone used a pipe... with tee
[15:35] <Spaulding> to assign this sentence to the file
[15:35] <Spaulding> or rather append
[15:36] <lkllnd> so i could also just sudo nano into the wpa_supplicant.conf file and enter it manually?
[15:36] <Spaulding> indeed
[15:37] <Spaulding> there is wpa_cli command
[15:37] <humbot> wut
[15:37] <Spaulding> http://sirlagz.net/2012/08/27/how-to-use-wpa_cli-to-connect-to-a-wireless-network/
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[15:39] <jonvonb> lkllnd: go here, do this -> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/wireless-cli.md
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[15:43] <lkllnd> jonvonb: "sudo wpa_cli reconfigure" returns "Failed to connect to non-global ctrl_ifname: (null) error: No such file or directory"
[15:43] <lkllnd> my SSID contains an exclamation mark and a blank space
[15:44] <lkllnd> could that be the problem?
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[15:46] <shiftplusone> lkllnd: did you use quote marks?
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[15:51] <lkllnd> yes, i did
[15:51] <lkllnd> in the wpa_supplicant.conf file
[15:51] <lkllnd> the name of the ssid is "FRITZ!Box 7412"
[15:52] <lkllnd> i think the exlamation mark might be the problem but im not sure
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[15:56] <shiftplusone> I don't think so
[15:57] <lkllnd> okay it worked after rebooting
[15:57] <lkllnd> for whatever reason
[15:57] <lkllnd> thanks shiftplusone jonvonb Spaulding
[15:58] <shiftplusone> hmm
[15:58] <shiftplusone> Wonder why
[15:58] <lkllnd> i set the wifi locale to my country before rebooting
[15:59] <lkllnd> i suppose that was it
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[15:59] <lkllnd> 2 hrs just to get the wifi started
[15:59] <lkllnd> lol
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[16:06] <shiftplusone> Well, 5 seconds to do it. 2 hours to stumble around in the dark.
[16:06] <lkllnd> exactly ^^
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[16:34] <yellabs-r2> how much does the pi need for powerbank ( pi3 ) ?
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[16:34] <yellabs-r2> i see the lighting in de screen indicating it does not have enough power i guess
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[16:35] <yellabs-r2> what would ber the "ideal" powerbank for the pi .. ?
[16:36] <shiftplusone> yellabs-r2: that indicates a voltage drop. Either because the powerbank is bad (most of them are) or because the USB cable you're using is bad (most of them are).
[16:36] <yellabs-r2> ber = be
[16:36] <shiftplusone> It might be helpful to figure out which one is the problem
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[16:36] <yellabs-r2> ah okee, that rings a bell, forgot about that .. lets check that first
[16:36] <yellabs-r2> thanks
[16:37] <shiftplusone> Anker powerbanks seem have a good reputation, but I haven't used one myself to be able to vouch for them.
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[16:38] <shiftplusone> now then... why don't g_ether/cdc/multi load from initrd? >=/
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[16:40] <yellabs-r2> it gives 2.4 amps , is that , in theory , enough ?
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[16:42] <shiftplusone> Power = Current * Voltage. You need 5V and you need enough current (which will depend on the load, but 2.4A is more than enough)
[16:42] <shiftplusone> The problem is that although it might be giving you 2.4A, the voltage may be much lower.
[16:43] <shiftplusone> That's why the labels on these things don't really tell you anything.
[16:43] <shiftplusone> A phone may happily charge at a lower voltage, which is what most of these things are 'designed' for.
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[16:44] <yellabs-r2> i understand , its not designed to power a pi
[16:44] <yellabs-r2> vcgencmd measure_volts volt=1.2000V
[16:45] <yellabs-r2> never knew you could do that.. ;)
[16:45] <shiftplusone> that's not the reading you're after
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[16:45] <shiftplusone> These are voltages internal to the SoC
[16:45] <yellabs-r2> whats the reading i am after ?
[16:45] <yellabs-r2> can i read it from pi ?
[16:45] <shiftplusone> The important thing is that you you get 5V on the input of the pi.
[16:46] <shiftplusone> nope, you'd need a multimeter.
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[16:47] <shiftplusone> The fact you're seeing the lightning icon already tells you it's below 4.6something
[16:48] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, I just put the kitchen sink list of modules in the initramfs that looked related and it loads OK
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[16:48] <yellabs-r2> will have to go by trail and erro to find a working powerbank, a well thats science ;)
[16:48] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: did you have it failing with "-2" before you did that?
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[16:50] <shiftplusone> "g_cdc 20980000.usb: failed to start g_cdc: -2" =(
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[16:51] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, yeah
[16:51] <shiftplusone> the documentation says that force_load should add and load all of the modules it depends on as well, so I guess modinfo doesn't really give all the info?
[16:51] <shiftplusone> Could I steal the list you used off you then?
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[16:53] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, should be on https://goo.gl/9eXQUP (look for cdc)
[16:53] <shiftplusone> Thanks. I'll give it a go and see if I can narrow it down.
[16:54] <BurtyB> there are prob ones it doesn't need but at that time it was 4am or something so err yeah ;)
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[16:59] <shiftplusone> "g_cdc gadget: g_cdc ready" >=)
[16:59] <shiftplusone> thanks
[16:59] <shiftplusone> going to prune out the ones which aren't needed now
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[17:07] <BurtyB> :)
[17:07] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, are you going to use rpiboot with it? if so I'd be interested to see what kind of a "works" rate you get
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[17:09] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: building it up one step at a time for now. Will try with rpiboot once I have nfsroot working.
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[17:23] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: looks like I needed either usb_f_acm or usb_f_ecm. Works if one is enabled. Doesn't work if both are disabled.
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[17:24] <shiftplusone> not much of a plain english description of what they do
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[17:27] <shiftplusone> Works with this hook https://gist.github.com/XECDesign/bd4f25d74fd0b5bd9dcfd0a7dd220021
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[17:43] <shiftplusone> Nope... still missing something for nfsroot.
[17:43] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, cool didn't need that many then :)
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[18:00] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, I find "debug=y" on the cmdline helps with errors as you can see what it's trying to do if you're still having issues
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[18:02] <shiftplusone> Looks like nfs scripts run before it tries to load the modules.
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[18:12] <de-facto> can i boot from an usb stick to try out a distro with raspi 3? if so how to choose usb stick rather than sdcard on boot?
[18:13] <leftyfb> de-facto: it's not that simple. Why not try the distro from sd instead of usb? The costs are roughly the same
[18:13] <de-facto> because then i would need to buy another sdcard for that
[18:14] <de-facto> so it will cost much more than just take an usb stick and try it out
[18:14] <leftyfb> de-facto: you will need an sd card to begin
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[18:15] <leftyfb> de-facto: http://bfy.tw/AvMd
[18:16] <leftyfb> de-facto: in short, the answer is yes. If you would like instructions on doing so, follow the link I provided
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[18:20] <de-facto> look i have a raspbian jessie pixel running from sdcard, but since the desktop is somewhat limited im curious about ubuntu mate, but id rather try it from usb stick to test its performance prior to installing it on sdcard
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[18:21] <eliudnir> de-facto, what's the practical diff in trying it out on the sdcard or the usb?
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[18:22] <de-facto> that i only have one card, so i would have to overwrite raspbian pixel
[18:22] <de-facto> so if for example mate is not as good, id have to reinstall it over again
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[18:22] <de-facto> pixel that is
[18:23] <eliudnir> hmm yeah that's the cost of only having one card I guess, time vs money :)
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[18:23] <leftyfb> de-facto: the amount of time you'll pour into booting from usb, you'd reimage that card and try things out quicker. Just static facts.
[18:23] <eliudnir> i'd just back up the essential stuff and use the card over but i get why you'd wanna avoid it :)
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[18:25] <de-facto> so you guys think its quicker to backup the current image from sdcard and put mate on it directly than fiddling with usb boot?
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[18:26] <de-facto> i guess the advantage of raspbian is that it has very good support for hardware and the associated software updates
[18:26] <leftyfb> de-facto: I think so.
[18:27] <eliudnir> ymmw of course but that'd be my path as well, yes :)
[18:27] <leftyfb> de-facto: is there anything that's overly important on the sd card?
[18:27] <de-facto> are those also in ubuntu mate, or is it somewhat older versions of all the hardware specific stuff?
[18:27] <leftyfb> de-facto: an rsync of your /home will be quicker than imaging the sd card to another file
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[18:27] <leftyfb> de-facto: everything works in ubuntu-mate
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[18:28] <de-facto> does it have the current versions of drivers and firmware updates as does raspbian ?
[18:29] <leftyfb> don't know. But I know everything works fine. I've used it several times and just had a demo of it running for an event last weekend
[18:29] <de-facto> does it come with a hardware accelerated chromium for playing youtube and such?
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[18:31] <leftyfb> don't remember actually. If not, sudo apt-get install chromium-browser browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
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[18:31] <leftyfb> gotta go
[18:31] <leftyfb> good luck
[18:32] <de-facto> yes, but im really impressed with the one that comes with pixel hence my question
[18:32] <Azulflame> has anybody setup streaming video on a ZeroW yet? I'd like to see how well it performs at certain resolutions
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[18:32] <kerio> what kind of streaming video
[18:32] <Azulflame> I've got one up that handles 720p @ 30 fps, but can't handle 1080p at 30. Seems to be closer to 5 FPS
[18:32] <Azulflame> from the camera to it's own webpage
[18:32] <Azulflame> using mjpg-streamer
[18:33] <Azulflame> but any solution is acceptable
[18:33] <kerio> why are you using mjpeg?
[18:33] <Azulflame> because that's the first solution I found that worked
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[18:33] <Azulflame> and i'm not at the pi right now (at school between classes), so I can't do much more than just bookmark and look at it later
[18:33] <de-facto> Azulflame, some logitech cameras have an internal h264 hardware encoder you can access directly. so the rpi wouldnt have to encode but just pump the data
[18:34] <de-facto> i think c920 and such
[18:34] <Azulflame> de-facto, I'm trying to use the "onboard" camera
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[18:35] <de-facto> oh no idea about that one, but i had my uvc usb c920 streaming a h264 stream once and it worked pretty well. havent tried it on raspi yet though
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[18:35] <kerio> Azulflame: ffmpeg to extract the h264 stream from the v4l2 device
[18:35] <Azulflame> I've got the RPi3 and the RPi0w available
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[18:36] <kerio> send mpegts over udp
[18:36] <de-facto> or gstreamer
[18:36] <kerio> or send flv over rtmp
[18:36] <kerio> de-facto: isn't gstreamer just a worse ffmpeg
[18:36] <kerio> or does it actually optimize stuff a bit more if possible
[18:37] <de-facto> well it can build the graphs with is pretty neat, you can directly build a chain to stream
[18:37] <Azulflame> so the full requirements are to stream and save the video feed. Looking at just streaming from the Pi, and saving on a central server that has a bunch of pis it controlls over the network. Would ffmpeg stream in an easily savable format?
[18:37] <kerio> ffmpeg can stream in any format
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[18:39] <Azulflame> is there a clear [quality and framerate]:[streaming connection size] best ratio for any given format?
[18:39] <kerio> you have two formats
[18:40] <kerio> and one of the two is mjpeg
[18:40] <kerio> i don't think the gpucore has more encoders
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[18:44] <kerio> Azulflame: fwiw, twitch.tv recommends 2mbps for 1280x720p30 video
[18:44] <kerio> and that's for videogames, which often have small details
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[18:47] <Azulflame> It's over Wifi, on a non-external connection. 2 mbps shouldn't be an issue
[18:48] <Azulflame> I'll have full network speeds, limited by the Wifi on the RPi. Which is probably actually limited by the pi's ability to get video from the camera anyway
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[18:57] <kerio> well, the camera+videocore just produces some h264
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[19:02] <de-facto> Guys, im thinking: can I reuse the already partitioned sdcard from my raspbian pixel, reformat the partitions to F2FS, mount the ubuntu mate image and rsync the file system into those F2FS partitions?
[19:02] <de-facto> would i have to disable the auto-resize on first boot then somehow?
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[19:06] <roger_padactor> hello, can I add retropi to my rasbian ? or do I have todo dual boot?
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[19:06] <Triki> Hi there!
[19:07] <Triki> Sorry if I'm in the wrong place, however I was hoping to ask a few questions, I just got my RPI today, and had a few questions.
[19:10] <jonvonb> You came to the right place.
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[19:12] <leftyfb> de-facto: what is the benefit of all that?
[19:12] <leftyfb> roger_padactor: there are instructions online of installing retropie, but it's probably quicker and certainly easier to just image your card with the retropie image
[19:12] <de-facto> leftyfb, because then would have less sdcard wear i guess
[19:13] <leftyfb> de-facto: not really. It's 1 write to image it
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[19:13] <roger_padactor> does retro py work as if its rasbian too I do some py developmenty with pi cam and stuff.
[19:14] <leftyfb> roger_padactor: retropie is built on top of raspbian
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[19:15] <roger_padactor> thanks
[19:16] <roger_padactor> i guess ill need an sdcard connector now. :(
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[19:17] <afl_ext> Hi, I have a question and I just can't fightm yself anymore to not ask it... Why RPI Zero doesn't have Ethernet OTG gadget enabled by default in raspbian? Isnt that the most logical thing do to in zero?
[19:18] <de-facto> leftyfb, i mean less wear for sdcard during running the os on f2fs rather than ext4
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[19:18] <leftyfb> afl_ext: not everyone needs ethernet OTG by default. Most of the projects i've done so far don't need ethernet at all.
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[19:19] <leftyfb> de-facto: I guess. But it's really not that big of a deal. Do you expect to be running this pi for 5 years 24/7 with no expectation to ever replace the sd card?
[19:19] <afl_ext> leftyfb thats for sure, but I mean initial setup, it would be more comfortable to just connect zero to PC and go into SSH session, rather than having OTG cable to connect keyboard and minihdmi adapter for display (and spare display)
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[19:20] <leftyfb> afl_ext: again, that's your personal preference and usage.
[19:20] <leftyfb> afl_ext: all the kits and pi zero packs come with the otg cable and mini hdmi adapter
[19:20] <afl_ext> is there any reason gadgets arent enabled by default?
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[19:21] <leftyfb> afl_ext: you can only choose one by default
[19:21] <afl_ext> leftyfb its true only if you buy from first hand, second hand shops tend to include only rpi zero
[19:21] <leftyfb> afl_ext: for someone that plans on using it for mass storage, they might ask why mass storage isn't enabled by default
[19:21] <ap4lmtree> i bought this one, it is "high endurance" to replace my broken samsung micro sd card, https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0DF-0005-00C20
[19:22] <afl_ext> mass storage is good idea too, ssh is more comfortable because you can have some file transfers by ssh to, but i wonder why it isnt enabled by default at all
[19:22] <afl_ext> the only reason for this i can find is just nobody thought about it? I just dont see any benefit in not having it enabled by default in raspbian
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[19:24] <leftyfb> afl_ext: https://github.com/raspberrypi make a suggestion
[19:24] <afl_ext> okay
[19:25] <kerio> afl_ext: you can enable it from the vfat partition anyway
[19:25] <afl_ext> kerio yes
[19:25] <kerio> dtoverlay=dwc2 in config.txt, load-modules=dwc2,g_ether in cmdline.txt
[19:25] <leftyfb> afl_ext: I have 10+ pi zero/zero w's. I have yet to enable any of the otg gadgets for any of my projects
[19:26] <afl_ext> leftyfb if it would become enabled by default on your zeros, would you disable it?
[19:26] <afl_ext> im not here to be angry at all if it seems like that sorry
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[19:28] <ap4lmtree> i use a raspbpi for a external portable cloud storage with resilio-sync running
[19:28] <ap4lmtree> what do you guys use yours for
[19:28] <leftyfb> afl_ext: probably because I don't know for sure if it affects anything i'm trying to do with the usb port
[19:28] <de-facto> leftyfb, well maybe, im just curious how to do that f2fs thing: currently im extracting the mate fs from the image into tar archives so i can put them inside the f2fs parttions...
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[19:28] <leftyfb> ap4lmtree: I have played around with owncloud
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[19:30] <ap4lmtree> leftyfb, have you tried resilio-sync?
[19:30] <leftyfb> ap4lmtree: no
[19:30] <ap4lmtree> it used to be called btsync, it is great, it syncs everything and uses torrent tech to sync between computers
[19:31] <ap4lmtree> it is more portable than owncloud
[19:31] <de-facto> leftyfb, do you know where i can disable that first-boot-autoresize in ubuntu-mate? i guess that would fail on f2fs...
[19:31] <leftyfb> ap4lmtree: how so?
[19:31] <leftyfb> de-facto: I do not
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[19:32] <ap4lmtree> leftyfb, owncloud is boated compared to resilio-sync, resilio-sync is small and lightweight like any torrent program
[19:32] <leftyfb> de-facto: I'm sure there's a check for resizing and won't affect any of your existing data
[19:32] <leftyfb> ap4lmtree: I'm not using it for torrent
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[19:32] <ap4lmtree> leftyfb, yeah, it isn't for torrents, it is for backups and syncing , it is for local systems and not public torrents, but local torrent
[19:33] <ap4lmtree> by having a torrent based local network, it is also faster if you have like 10 or so computers or so
[19:34] <ap4lmtree> it may seem strange having a local torrent system rather than public or regular torrent system, but it is great
[19:34] <leftyfb> I don't need torrents running on multiple machines on my network
[19:34] <ap4lmtree> it syncs different dirtectories
[19:34] <de-facto> leftyfb, i mean i would copy over the fresh fs content of ubuntu-mate onto f2fs partions. since that system is meant to auto-resize on frst boot it would try that on f2fs partitions wihch woud fail i guess. hence i want to disable that auto-resize prior to first boot
[19:34] <leftyfb> I have my own script I use for nightly backups
[19:35] <ap4lmtree> you set permissions on who can sync
[19:35] <ap4lmtree> well, this syncs if there is anyt changes to files
[19:35] <ap4lmtree> you should really check it out
[19:35] <leftyfb> ap4lmtree: again, I don't personally have need for any of that
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[19:35] <leftyfb> i'm sure others do
[19:35] <ap4lmtree> leftyfb, then what do you use raspb for?
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[19:36] <gordonDrogon> they're fun toys ...
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[19:38] <ap4lmtree> yes
[19:38] <ap4lmtree> thats the topic
[19:38] <leftyfb> ap4lmtree: backup server, backup clients, media center, portable gaming system, motion/timelapse camera, mobile timelapse/gps tracking, door/equipment access control, LCD display, 800 LED animated graphics/video display, window display, controlling multiple 3d printers, kiosk
[19:38] <ap4lmtree> what do you guys use your raspb for
[19:38] <leftyfb> there's some more, just don't feel like listing them all out
[19:38] <leftyfb> half of those are my house, half are at a makerspace I help run
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> I use them for programming.
[19:40] <leftyfb> we're currently putting together this program : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0B6S2Ca75Q
[19:40] <ap4lmtree> leftyfb, wow, you must have multiple ones then huh
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[19:40] <ap4lmtree> gordonDrogon, is it python programming you do?
[19:40] <leftyfb> ap4lmtree: yup
[19:41] <leftyfb> ap4lmtree: I have 2 in my bag while sitting at the dentists office at the moment :)
[19:41] <leftyfb> i'll have one on me at all times once I get my zerostem
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> ap4lmtree, I do not use python.
[19:42] <leftyfb> gordonDrogon: c or are you a shell guy like myself?
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> I do a lot in BASIC.
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[19:43] <leftyfb> I did that about 30 years ago :)
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> so did I. it was good then, good now.
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[19:48] <gordonDrogon> today I'm programming in C though - doing some ATmega stuff.
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[20:00] <themagmaforce> i know that i have some problematic chargers for the raspberrypi, so i got that square box on the corner with colors... but when i'm running trough SSH without a screen is there anyway to check if i'm having that ?low voltage? problem?
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[20:12] <Ben_1> hi
[20:12] <Ben_1> is there a way to reload the wpa_supplicant.conf without to reboot?
[20:13] <oq> restart the networking service?
[20:13] <Ben_1> tried this but there is still the error "interface wlan0 is not configured" if I execute ifdown wlan0 afterwards
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[20:14] <gordonDrogon> themagmaforce, type: dmesg from time to time, but I'm not sure if there is a better way. best to get a better PSU...
[20:15] <themagmaforce> gordonDrogon: yes, but i don't have a screen now, and i don't know which PSU was giving problems :) ,but i'll try to check dmesg
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[20:16] <Ben_1> oq: I also tried to restart the wpa_supplicant daemon but it's the same result
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[20:26] <Stape01> so I am faced with a situation I would love to get your guys opinion on. I am trying to control a projector (on/off and shutter) with a pi utilizing IR over 1/8" aux cable. Like plugging in its remote. How should I attack this issues
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[20:26] <Stape01> we have multiple projectors and It just seems like something that I should be able to script on a pi to send the correct signals to the projectors
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[20:41] <roger_padactor> what version of retropi do I download from the site? I have the raspberrypi zero W?
[20:42] <roger_padactor> download links say 0/1 2/3
[20:42] <Azulflame> You should be able to use the most recent build
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[20:42] <oq> roger_padactor: if they provide one version for all pis download that, if they provide one for pi1's and one for pi3's get the pi1 one
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[20:42] <Azulflame> the 0w is the most recent
[20:42] <roger_padactor> thanks
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[20:43] <oq> roger_padactor: the only reason they may need different builds is that architecture, pi1's and 0's are the old armv6 which barely anyone wants to support
[20:43] <oq> pi2's and pi3's are armv7 and armv8
[20:44] <roger_padactor> https://retropie.org.uk/download/ this is the page im referring to
[20:44] <oq> it's also the reason we have raspbian, because debian didn't want to support armv6 at the time
[20:44] <oq> so some guys spend a lot of time recompiling everything
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[20:46] <roger_padactor> ah found out it sais in the docs for first-installation
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[21:16] <brainzap> Why can I not ping "raspberrypi" on windows, it appears in the nslookup, and it works on osx.
[21:17] <Habbie> show us the nslookup and the ping please
[21:17] <Habbie> use a pastebin or an image hoster if you must
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[21:18] <shauno> curious to see, too. it shouldn't show up in nslookup
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[21:35] <Stape01> anybody have any experience controlling ir over aux from a pi?
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[21:43] <d0rm0us3> habbie, shauno: if he points nslookup to his internal local dhcp server it 'should' resolve
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[21:44] <d0rm0us3> ie: nslookup server local dnsserver
[21:44] <Habbie> sure, this works in some networks
[21:44] <d0rm0us3> Works in mine.
[21:44] <Habbie> not in mine, but i've seen it, i have no trouble believing that part
[21:44] <brainzap> I think my DNS server returns with trailing dot, which is legal but browsers hate it
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[21:44] <Habbie> brainzap, that sentence did not make sense
[21:44] <Habbie> brainzap, if you want help, show us things
[21:45] <d0rm0us3> note: will NOT resolve if dns is pulled from upstream.
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[21:46] <d0rm0us3> ie: if you're using 8.8.8.8 or like that
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[21:50] <brainzap> I found problem/solution http://serverfault.com/q/416622/333413
[21:50] <Habbie> d0rm0us3, indeed, good call
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[22:09] <mozak> anyone have experiance with making battery packs, i just read for adafruti thet i cant use 2 li-po baterys in paraler
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[22:10] <mozak> i need 12v 0.5a for screen and 5v 1-2 amp for rpi i guess, thinked to buy 4 li-po 2400mA and use se step up
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[22:10] <Inky_> why is NOOBS so big (apart from mathematica/wolfram)
[22:11] <plum> agreed :(
[22:11] <mozak> us void-linux or some other little one distro
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[22:12] <Inky_> i really want to understand why it is so big first..
[22:12] <snowkidind> has anyone considered running a NAS off of a pi?
[22:12] <mozak> Inky_, inbeded spywere
[22:12] <leftyfb> snowkidind: many do
[22:12] <leftyfb> :/
[22:12] <leftyfb> there's no spyware
[22:12] <snowkidind> i have a seagate NAS and its just crap
[22:12] <mozak> was joking
[22:13] <Inky_> mozak: even if, that doesnt justify several GB :P
[22:13] <snowkidind> i cant log in, nor can i factory reset
[22:13] <leftyfb> it contains the NOOBS bootloader as well as an entire image of raspbian to be installed
[22:13] <snowkidind> it works but no admin aargh
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[22:13] <Inky_> what does it have more than a puppy linux install (300MB)?
[22:14] <leftyfb> Inky_: two completely different things
[22:14] <Inky_> i would guess you can even cut down significantly on the kernel size (since you dont need drivers for god knows what hardware, since the used hardware is given)
[22:14] <leftyfb> there's no way to compare them other than they both run the linux kernel
[22:14] <Inky_> hm
[22:14] <Inky_> newer puppy distros are deb based
[22:14] <leftyfb> Inky_: NOOBS is not an operating system
[22:15] <Inky_> ok
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[22:15] <Triki> Hello again everyone ^_^
[22:15] <Inky_> leftyfb: so i should first determine how big raspbian is
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[22:15] <leftyfb> Inky_: it's a bootstrap environment which you use to install multiple operating systems. The NOOBS image includes itself as well as a local image of raspbian to be installed without downloading
[22:16] <leftyfb> Inky_: I don't know why you're comparing all this. putty is meant to be tiny and run in very small and low-resource environments. Raspbian is not any of that
[22:16] <leftyfb> sorry, puppy, not putty
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[22:16] <leftyfb> (was also helping someone out on another medium with putty)
[22:17] <Inky_> leftyfb: so after raspbian installs, i could remove some parts of what is on the sd?
[22:17] <leftyfb> Inky_: as with any other linux distro
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[22:17] <leftyfb> Inky_: there's also raspbian lite which is smaller
[22:17] <Triki> Would anyone know why kodi performance would be horribly slow and unusable when loading via Retropie?
[22:17] <plum> Triki: what pi are you using?
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[22:18] <leftyfb> Triki: because retropie has it's own resources still running in the background
[22:18] <Triki> plum I'm using a raspberry pi zero w
[22:18] <brianx> Psi-Jack: they canceled my unify LR order, it went out of stock. so i got the pro instead. should be here tomorrow. decided to run the controller on debian instead of raspbian, just makes no sense to run on a small machine for no reason.
[22:18] <plum> (ps: kodi is slow on my laptop even, it's kinda clunky imo)
[22:18] <Triki> Ah..makes sense. I wiped the retropie image and tried to load kodi via openelec however no wifi networks appeared and I couldn't get them to show
[22:19] <plum> they didn't update the processor on the pi 0 w if i remember right
[22:19] <plum> as well
[22:19] <leftyfb> Triki: try OSMC
[22:19] <plum> so it's still not the best performing pi
[22:19] <oq> why would they update the processor at those prices
[22:20] <Triki> Aye, from what I've seen the pi zero w is just a slightly upgraded pi 1 with the wifi/bluetooth.
[22:20] <oq> pis are designed to sell old broadcom socs that noone else would buy
[22:20] <plum> not saying they should, but some people buy the new pi 0 w expecting the performance of a pi 3 though
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[22:20] <oq> plum: no they don't
[22:20] <plum> ^ agree Triki
[22:21] <Triki> A work buddy showed retropie running fine on it, and I played it myself, it was great, would there be any reason that I couldn't dualboot between the two?
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[22:23] <plum> Triki: some of the older emulators are a lot less intense to run than things like video/graphics featured in kodi
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[22:23] <Triki> That makes sense, you can't really compare processing a SNES game to streaming HD video
[22:24] <plum> true that, also why you probably won't find much success in smoothly emulating a Gamecube/Wii game etc
[22:24] <plum> i mean you could do it, but it would very likely be slow :P
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[22:26] <plum> regarding dual booting though, it's definitely possible if you have a large enough SD card
[22:26] <plum> http://www.multibootpi.com/builds/retropie-v4-0-2-osmc-2016-07-1-dual-boot
[22:26] <Triki> Is that the case? I mean as far as I recall (Could be completely talking out of my arse here) but aren't the gamecube and dreamcast similarly powered? I had seen a few videos of it working fine with DC emulation
[22:27] <plum> i haven't tried it before but that link is pretty recent and might be helpful
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[22:27] <Triki> Oh wow that link is perfect...!
[22:27] <Triki> Ah wait
[22:27] <Triki> so close
[22:28] <Triki> but its for pi 2/3
[22:29] <plum> oh oh for sure! better link here: http://www.multibootpi.com/builds/pi1-pi-zero-retropie-v4-0-2-osmc-2016-07-1-dual-boot
[22:29] <Triki> oh plum you are the best
[22:30] <plum> and i'm not sure of the specifics of gamecube/dreamcast power, i just remember growing up trying to emulate consoles on the (lacking) hardware of the sony psp and it was fairly slow for even N64 games
[22:30] <plum> you'd probably experience the smoothest emulation with 2D-based consoles
[22:31] <Triki> Which is odd because ps1 games seemed to work fine for emulation.
[22:31] <Triki> on the psp i mean
[22:31] <plum> oh yeah, sony's own emulator seemed to really boost development efforts there once the devs reverse-engineered it
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[22:32] <Triki> Now you've got me considering psp emulation on retropie... I'd love to play Crisis Core again..
[22:33] <plum> that would be tight :o
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[22:34] <NineChickens> I think I came up with a pretty good yearbook quote
[22:34] <NineChickens> "cd /highschool && sudo rm -rf"
[22:34] <plum> love it! :D
[22:35] <Triki> beautiful
[22:35] <NineChickens> The one I wrote in Python was too long
[22:35] <NineChickens> One of my friends went for "Linux for the win"
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[22:35] <plum> Triki: here's a looooong video of testing different emulators on the pi 3:
[22:36] <plum> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5baYAlWZs24
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[22:37] <plum> man i miss psp though
[22:37] <plum> i still have mine, i just don't really do anything with it
[22:38] <NineChickens> so http://weworkweplay.com/play/automatically-connect-a-raspberry-pi-to-a-wifi-network/ is how to set up a pi to autoconnect to wifi
[22:38] <NineChickens> Is there any way to do that without a screen?
[22:38] <plum> oh yeah! what os?
[22:39] <Triki> I know right! Its not like its a bad system but theres no reason to pick it up anymore.
[22:39] <plum> mine are all running headless
[22:39] <plum> totally agree Triki
[22:39] <NineChickens> Raspbian
[22:39] <plum> jessie?
[22:39] <NineChickens> Yeah
[22:39] <plum> (jessie changed some things with connection, had me confused for a while)
[22:39] <NineChickens> Probably not Pixel though
[22:40] <NineChickens> I was going to see if I could do a project at school and I wouldn't be able to get a standalone monitor
[22:40] <Triki> I'm running Jessie too
[22:40] <plum> NineChickens: i think you'd need to edit /etc/dhcpcd.conf if i'm not mistaken
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[22:40] <plum> checking my config now, one sec
[22:40] <plum> there are so many articles on the old way of connecting before jessie
[22:41] <plum> makes it confusing how to tell them apart
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[22:42] <NineChickens> Found one
[22:42] <NineChickens> Looks familiar
[22:42] <NineChickens> https://thepihut.com/blogs/raspberry-pi-tutorials/83502916-how-to-setup-wifi-on-raspbian-jessie-lite
[22:42] <plum> yeeeee
[22:42] <plum> edit /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[22:42] <plum> add your network information like
[22:43] <plum> network={ <newline> ssid="yournetwork" <newline>psk="yourpassword" <newline> key_mgmt=WPA-PSK <newline> }
[22:43] <plum> that was a lot more work than it should have been... hmm >.>
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[22:45] <Triki> My eyes became swirls just reading that.
[22:45] <plum> i didn't want to spam the channel :c
[22:45] <plum> the link NineChickens sent should work though
[22:46] <NineChickens> So I stuck my Jessie Lite SD card into my Windows laptop
[22:46] <plum> it has an image of the exact config i was trying to type out. don't worry, i'm getting a better filter installed between my brain and my keyboard :P
[22:46] <NineChickens> /etc doesn't appear
[22:46] <NineChickens> Would I need to use a Linux laptop?
[22:46] <plum> NineChickens: windows doesn't show the partition by default
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[22:46] <plum> yeah, that's what i do when i pop in an sd card to laptop, using ubuntu
[22:46] <NineChickens> aah
[22:47] <NineChickens> I have an 11-year old Ubuntu laptop
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[22:47] <plum> sounds like mine! hahaha
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[22:47] <plum> i'm rocking an hp pavilion dv4
[22:47] * lopta <- doesn't own a laptop
[22:47] <plum> formatted it for Arch recently but haven't gotten around to installing it though...
[22:47] <NineChickens> Thinkpad x60s
[22:47] <plum> coooooool
[22:47] <lopta> ...can't afford one.
[22:47] <NineChickens> Family friend gave it to me
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[22:48] <plum> is it just me or are laptops of good quality more expensive nowadays?
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[22:48] <plum> i mean i guess it makes sense with more updated hardware too
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[22:50] <NineChickens> huh
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[22:50] <NineChickens> the Galaxy S8 has an expensive dock you can stick it in so it acts as a computer
[22:50] <Triki> isn't there a mass recall and return amnesty for the s8 at the moment?
[22:51] <brianx> no Triki
[22:51] <brianx> it was just released today
[22:51] <NineChickens> That's the Note 7
[22:51] <NineChickens> like why do you need an expensive dock
[22:51] <brianx> if you ain't returned your note7 by now, you're not likely to.
[22:52] <NineChickens> Wouldn't a stand and say a usb-c otg cable do?
[22:52] <NineChickens> plug in a keyboard and all the typing :D
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[22:52] <brianx> you're still stuck on the small screen at that point.
[22:52] <plum> i prefer to have my devices separate
[22:53] <NineChickens> true
[22:53] <brianx> of course you can cast it to something compatible.
[22:53] <NineChickens> still, I'm pretty happy with my phone
[22:53] <NineChickens> It can go head-to-head with the pixel
[22:53] <plum> i've been turning my old HTC G1 into a quick pocket Linux commander
[22:54] <plum> removed a lot of the bloat services and added some SSH shortcuts so it's like i have a pocket terminal to my Pis
[22:54] <NineChickens> plum: what does that mean
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[22:55] <plum> NineChickens: i loved the keyboard on the G1 and it has its own screen so i've been in the process of making it an easy access interface for headless pis
[22:55] <NineChickens> huh
[22:55] <Triki> There a quick and reommended (prefrrably quick and painless) program you recommend to format my SD card? I accidentally partitioned it to hell, you can tell I'm an amateur
[22:55] <NineChickens> so basically it can SSH in?
[22:55] <NineChickens> Etcher triki
[22:56] <NineChickens> does that count?
[22:56] <NineChickens> wait no that might just be for image burning
[22:56] <plum> yeah NineChickens, it's pretty quick with how minimal i've made it, i'm really happy to have it
[22:56] <NineChickens> nice
[22:56] <plum> Triki: do you have *nux access?
[22:56] <plum> *nix *
[22:56] <NineChickens> Actually I need to find an SSH app for my phone
[22:56] <plum> i use dd on mac and linux
[22:57] <NineChickens> I already have QPython and a TCP thing
[22:57] <plum> NineChickens: what phone?
[22:57] <NineChickens> OnePlus 3T
[22:57] <plum> oooh
[22:57] <NineChickens> 440-odd quid
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[22:57] <plum> i've been using ConnectBot since the G1 days
[22:57] <NineChickens> Cheaper than the others
[22:57] <plum> highly recommend it
[22:58] <Triki> I...dont know plum
[22:58] <plum> Triki: if you're on windows, win32diskimager can be used
[22:58] <plum> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/windows.md
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[22:59] <NineChickens> OK, pi question now
[22:59] <NineChickens> how do hats work
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[23:00] <plum> very carefully!
[23:00] <plum> jk jk hehe
[23:00] <plum> you plug it in to the GPIO pins and power it on, then you can use the sensors and goodies built in
[23:00] <brianx> with appropriate software and drivers of course.
[23:01] <NineChickens> :P
[23:01] <plum> for sure, need some internets to download those important stuffs with
[23:02] <NineChickens> What I meant was more 'is it a female GPIO pin block on the bottom and a set of male pin headers on the top?'
[23:02] <plum> oh!
[23:02] <lopta> You can have my Internets, I'm not using them.
[23:02] <plum> thank you lopta, i will take good care of them :3
[23:02] <plum> NineChickens: the boards i've ordered have come with female-to-male plugs that plug into the board, which itself is female connectors that receive the pins
[23:03] <NineChickens> aah right
[23:03] <NineChickens> I know that you can technically 'stack' hats
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[23:04] <NineChickens> oh yeah
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[23:04] <plum> hats are fun party tricks
[23:04] <NineChickens> You need https://www.adafruit.com/product/2223 sort of thing
[23:04] <NineChickens> At one point I considered a servo hat
[23:04] <plum> NineChickens: this has helped me with hats: https://www.raspberrypi.org/learning/getting-started-with-the-sense-hat
[23:04] <NineChickens> then I went rpi.gpio
[23:05] <plum> yeah my hats i've ordered came with the stacking heaer
[23:05] <plum> header *
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[23:06] <plum> brb
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[23:08] <Triki> I can't load disk management as its been blocked by admin..but I'M the admin!
[23:09] <Triki> Nvm got it
[23:12] <plum> yay!
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> I don't stack HATs - I just use another Pi ...
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[23:21] <plum> i do gordonDrogon
[23:21] <plum> http://img07.deviantart.net/82e4/i/2013/076/5/5/towering_pillar_of_hats_solly_by_lolvcrtape-d5wppz0.png
[23:21] <plum> :P
[23:21] <Triki> Alright. It's time to turn in, early shifts tomorrow. Plum, NineChickens, thanks so much for all your help, you're both awesome. I'll let you know how the dualboot works with the pi zero w
[23:22] <plum> awesome, good luck Triki! take care
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[23:30] <ericus> hey!
[23:31] <redrabbit> hi
[23:31] <ericus> would the RPI3 accept another wifi-card via USB?
[23:31] <redrabbit> yes
[23:32] <ericus> cool
[23:32] <ericus> so business as usual with wlan0 and wlan1 for eg?
[23:33] <redrabbit> yep
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[23:34] <Smeef> I have a fairly new but broken Epson XP-420 AIO printer/scanner with Wi-Fi. The print heads are messed up, but everything else works fine. Are there any good Pi projects I can do with the salvageable components, like the LCD display, the scanner module, and/or the servos?
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[23:58] <sware> anyone know of a good explain for converting yuv to rgb and scaling?
[23:59] <sware> using the gpu that is
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