#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2017-03-30

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:16] <de-facto> hmm on ubuntu mate the desktop is nice, but chromium is much slower: where can i download the raspbian chromium?
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[0:28] <j4ckcom> https://www.amazon.com/Module-Serial-Converter-CP2102-Replace/dp/B01MXR9V87 <— when i use it?
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[0:30] <batch> j4ckcom for this for example https://cdn.sparkfun.com/assets/f/4/e/2/7/51eeb8f9ce395f0778000000.png
[0:30] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[0:30] <j4ckcom> what you mean? batch ?
[0:31] <batch> imagine that cp2101 is the connector for programming the pro mini
[0:32] <j4ckcom> :| i have no idea
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[0:32] <j4ckcom> can you explain it more detailly?
[0:33] <batch> j4ckcom you can also use that cp2102 for when you put openwrt on the raspberry pi and it get's bricked somehow
[0:34] <batch> that you can use telnet with a tftp server to fix it via failsafe
[0:34] <batch> then*
[0:34] <j4ckcom> batch i can upload program to cpu with cp2102?
[0:34] <j4ckcom> or storage?
[0:35] <j4ckcom> i can upload program to cpu or storage with cp2102?
[0:35] <batch> uploading sketches to arduino yes
[0:35] <batch> you can do multiple things with it
[0:35] <j4ckcom> multiple things :)
[0:35] <batch> xD
[0:35] <j4ckcom> most people have it?
[0:35] <j4ckcom> :)
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[0:38] <fred1807> Will I have a lower performance if I use a armv6 sd card on a raspberry pi 3? Should I care about armv7 as of now?
[0:38] <hhmmm> is this wire usb to serial on the gpio pins ? i use it
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[0:38] <hhmmm> arm version is the processor series
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[0:39] <hhmmm> sd cards have classes, like 6 or 10
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[0:44] <j4ckcom> batch: then i can upload linux os to raspberry with cp2102?
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[0:51] <fred1807> hhmmm: dont get me wrong. I am asking about pickin the sd card I run on raspberry 1 and insert it into raspberry 3
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[0:53] <j4ckcom> fred1807: you have rasberrypi 1?
[0:53] <hhmmm> ah, oops
[0:53] <fred1807> j4ckcom: B+ model yes
[0:54] <j4ckcom> oh great you are early adapter
[0:54] <j4ckcom> :)
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[1:07] <phil42> is this unusually slow?
[1:07] <phil42> root@raspberrypi:/home/pi# time fstrim -v /
[1:07] <phil42> real 4m15.258s
[1:07] <phil42> user 0m0.000s
[1:07] <phil42> sys 0m0.040s
[1:08] <phil42> pi model 3, supposedly a class 10 micro sd
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[1:29] <HeXiLeD> real 0m13.835s
[1:29] <HeXiLeD> user 0m0.000s
[1:29] <HeXiLeD> sys 0m0.130s
[1:29] <HeXiLeD> pi2B
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[1:41] <j4ckcom> i can install noscript on chrome?
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[2:58] <hatsaresilly> dayne: Got it working.
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[3:14] <hatsaresilly> dayne: So basically, the wiimotewhiteboard.jar had a bluecove-2.1.0.jar file in the lib folder that needed to be removed and replaced with the 2.1.1-snapshot version. Then complie the 2.1.1 gpl version for the pi and include it as well.
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[3:25] <de-facto> guys is the raspbian distro the only one where hw acceleration is somewhat working? played around with ubuntu mate and its really slow
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[3:25] <de-facto> got hw acceleration somewhat working but then the browsers keep crashing :(
[3:26] <de-facto> neither chrome nor ff is as smooth as on raspbian
[3:26] <de-facto> though mate is much more neat than pixel
[3:26] <de-facto> is there a recent mate for raspbian jessie?
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[3:35] <leftyfb> de-facto: http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/chromium-browser_22.0.1229.94~r161065+dfsg-0.1+rpi1_all.deb
[3:35] <leftyfb> try installing that
[3:35] <de-facto> chromium 22?
[3:35] <de-facto> thats ancient...
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[3:40] <de-facto> i think im going back to raspbian
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[3:41] <de-facto> btw that F2FS worked like a charm, just cmdline.txt in boot and fstab entries need to be changed
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[3:43] <de-facto> only think that works really bad on both distros is internal WiFi, its almost completely unusable
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[3:43] <de-facto> weird enough it worked well on jessie lite
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[3:45] <de-facto> maybe some firmware upgrade had an regerssion in wifi?
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[3:59] <de-facto> http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/chromium-browser_56.0.2924.84-0ubuntu0. http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/pool/ui/r/rpi-chromium-mods/rpi-chromium-mods_20170317_armhf.deb
[3:59] <de-facto> i guess those are the latest ones
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[4:02] <de-facto> leftyfb, ^^
[4:03] <leftyfb> oh, sorry
[4:03] <leftyfb> wifi worked fine for me on both raspbian full and ubuntu mate
[4:03] <de-facto> the first got the chromium the second the flash, yet i dont want to fiddle with them on every update so im going back to raspban
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[4:04] <de-facto> worked fine for me only on raspbian lite
[4:06] <leftyfb> it's the same drivers
[4:07] <de-facto> weird, maybe a firmwareupdate did something bad
[4:08] <de-facto> the powersafe on wifi never worked on raspbian lite, then on pixel it was on by default, but even disabling powersafe didnt really help
[4:08] <de-facto> if i can get a full website load over wifi im lucky
[4:08] <de-facto> it always keeps disconnecting
[4:08] <ball> 2.4 GHz?
[4:09] <de-facto> yes and to be honest i added some logitec wireless keyboards
[4:09] <de-facto> maybe thats the reason?
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[4:10] <de-facto> can rpi3 also use 5 GHz with its internal wifi?
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[4:11] <leftyfb> no
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[4:25] <de-facto> yup the raspbian feels much snappier to the price of having a less complete desktop
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[5:04] <Duckle|wasDumle> Hmm
[5:04] <Duckle|wasDumle> any fancy drivers out there that improve the Auto white balance of the Raspi Cam?
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[5:19] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, Anyone ever used a HiLetgo NodeMCU LUA WiFi Internet ESP8266 and know if it could communicate, via javascript, to a webserver (for example, running on my RPi)?
[5:20] <Psi-Jack> It's Espruino based, and my intentions would be to use it as a remote wireless sensor module communicating securely with my Pi acting as a security homekit hub.
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[5:21] <Geminizer> Hello everyone. Does anyone know how the pi user has sudo access by default when that user isn't explicitly mentioned in sudoers?
[5:21] <Geminizer> This is for raspbian, btw
[5:23] <HrdwrBoB> group.
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[5:25] <leftyfb> Geminizer: it is in sudoers
[5:25] <leftyfb> pi ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[5:25] <leftyfb> last line
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[5:34] <Geminizer> Thanks, HrdwrBoB and leftyfb
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[6:53] <de-facto> i thought you just would add a user to the sudoers group
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[6:54] <de-facto> sudo usermod -a -G sudo theusername
[6:54] <de-facto> i never had to touch that file there
[6:56] <de-facto> though it also might be done in /etc/group
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[7:08] <Lartza> de-facto, Either way works really
[7:09] <Lartza> Sometimes there is no sudo/wheel enabled in sudoers so you need to edit the file, then add your user to sudo/wheel group
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[7:18] <RoBo_V> Can anyone help I have this motion configured on pi, and that folder is very slow to access (ntfs mounted drive). Could anyone suggest to improve on that ?
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[7:22] <Sonny_Jim> Use a local folder?
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[7:25] <RoBo_V> Space might be not enough
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[7:26] <Sonny_Jim> How long do you need the images for?
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[7:30] <bla> RoBo_V, use local folder and move periodically to drive.
[7:30] <[Saint]> Write to tmpfs and then slurp out the images periodically to remote NTFS ala rsync.
[7:30] <[Saint]> hah, great minds, bla.
[7:30] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, that ^
[7:30] <bla> (;
[7:30] <[Saint]> we were ~2ms away from each other. lol
[7:31] <Sonny_Jim> Rotate the images in the folder as well if you are worried about space
[7:31] <RoBo_V> Yup, I think that what need to be done.
[7:32] <RoBo_V> and how to to keep files for specific no of days and auto-delete older images.
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[7:32] <Sonny_Jim> Hm
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[7:33] <Sonny_Jim> What does SIDX in a header mean, I'm sure I've seen that somewhere before
[7:33] <bla> RoBo_V, find + rsync in general should be sufficient. rsync can delete synchronized for example.
[7:33] <bla> RoBo_V, find can find all images older than X and execute an action (delete, or anything)
[7:33] <RoBo_V> what is tmpfs ?
[7:34] <Sonny_Jim> RoBo_V: It's a RAM disk
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[7:35] <RoBo_V> so 'rsync' can be used for sync bw local and mounted drive along with to delete already sync images and 'find' check I can do on mounted drive to keep only week old files, delete rest.
[7:35] <RoBo_V> Right ?
[7:36] <bla> Right. That's pretty much what I do on even slower device (tplink router)
[7:37] <bla> + I encrypt all images using GPG do that I need a asymetric key to decrypt them later.
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[7:37] <RoBo_V> bla: could you share 'find' script
[7:37] <bla> it's very common: https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/delete-files-older-than-x-days-on-linux/
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[7:38] <RoBo_V> ah thanks!
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[7:38] <RoBo_V> I don't think I need encryption on this images.
[7:38] <[Saint]> Yeah, there's about seventeen million examples of all of this, in every language imaginable, on SO and friends.
[7:38] <[Saint]> Most of them cut and paste kludges of other cut and paste kludges.
[7:39] <[Saint]> ...the circle of life.
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[7:39] <bla> Heh. ;)
[7:39] <[Saint]> WHy write code when someone else already did it for you. :)
[7:39] <RoBo_V> also I like the images to be auto arranged in folder day-wsie.
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[7:40] <[Saint]> again, very possible, with a bajillion reference implementations.
[7:41] <RoBo_V> haha, I will check out.
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[7:41] <[Saint]> that's just basically bringind 'date' into the frey along with 'find' and 'rsync'.
[7:42] <RoBo_V> Right, anything is possible with scripting. I was just hoping may be motion .conf has soemthing built in.
[7:49] <Sonny_Jim> Motion is surprisingly configurable
[7:50] <RoBo_V> Better to use tmpfs or just as normal ?
[7:51] <[Saint]> I always temp into RAM for things like this out of habit.
[7:51] <[Saint]> But...YMMV.
[7:52] <RoBo_V> YMMV ?
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[7:53] <[Saint]> Your Mileage May Vary
[7:54] <[Saint]> I tend to run purpose built minimal operating systems that consume ~100MB RAM total.
[7:54] <[Saint]> SO I've generally got a crapload of RAM spare to use as fast temporary storage.
[7:55] <[Saint]> If you've got a giant bloated general purpose OS this is sitting on, you may not have the same luxury.
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[8:02] <RoBo_V> Ok thanks !
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[8:42] <DFrostedWang> Do any of the audio player OSs come default with the ability to connect to a radio antenna and listen to local radio?
[8:43] <Sonny_Jim> Not really
[8:43] <[Saint]> Given that the raspberry Pi doesn't have that hardware embedded...I'm not sure what you're asking.
[8:43] <Sonny_Jim> You can use a rtlsdr TV tuner
[8:43] <[Saint]> There's plenty of PVR/DVR support.
[8:43] <Sonny_Jim> And you can _transmit_ with stock hardware
[8:44] <[Saint]> Not legally. And not in a fashion that isn't dirty as almighty hell.
[8:44] <DFrostedWang> I wanna listen to local radio with a raspberry pi music center
[8:44] <[Saint]> (seriously, there's like 10MHz of crossband bleed either side. It's disgusting)
[8:44] <Sonny_Jim> Probably easiest just to stream their net radio
[8:44] <[Saint]> ^ that
[8:44] <[Saint]> Literally any other option requires additional hardware.
[8:44] <Sonny_Jim> But like I said, a compatible rtlsdr USB tuner and rtlfm
[8:44] <DFrostedWang> Yea, if it wasn't mobile
[8:45] <DFrostedWang> needs to be available without internet
[8:45] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.rtl-sdr.com/buy-rtl-sdr-dvb-t-dongles/
[8:45] <DFrostedWang> yea I'm looking over it now, thanks
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[8:46] <[Saint]> That hardware's pretty power hungry. Hope you've got a decent battery or a dedicated power source.
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[8:47] <DFrostedWang> ~48W available :shrug:
[8:47] <DFrostedWang> whoops, used to a different chat, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[8:48] <[Saint]> ...is there any particular reason that an actual radio isn't a suitable option? WHat are we missing here?
[8:48] <[Saint]> AM/FM radios is kinda a thing humans have had on lock for decades now.
[8:48] <Sonny_Jim> Aye, power consumption would be a lot better, plus it's got amplifier built in
[8:48] <[Saint]> bingo.
[8:48] <DFrostedWang> Well I have an apm built in too
[8:49] <DFrostedWang> x400 HAT
[8:49] <DFrostedWang> amp*
[8:49] <DFrostedWang> for some reason my client is freezing up while I type
[8:49] <DFrostedWang> weird
[8:49] <DFrostedWang> http://www.suptronics.com/xseries/x400.html
[8:49] <[Saint]> I mean...you phone probably has all the hardware required for this, at a much more efficient scale.
[8:50] <[Saint]> Vendors quite simply disable it, because FM never paid anyone any money.
[8:50] <[Saint]> Almost all BT hardware can operate as an FM receiver.
[8:50] <[Saint]> ...almost.
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[8:51] <[Saint]> All of them can in principle, practice and implementation is another story.
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[8:52] <[Saint]> Android OEMs are just really dirty about FM. Because if it's not the OEM pushing their own media streaming service, it's the telco they're partnered with.
[8:53] <[Saint]> Android+root+SpiritFM is going to work in a wide majority of cases, though.
[8:55] <[Saint]> And every man and his dog has some decrepid old Android hardware laying around that needs a second life.
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[9:03] <drjam> amfm...... im going to look into HAM radio soon with my pi
[9:03] <drjam> got a baofeng bit right now
[9:03] <drjam> spent all of 1 hour on it so far lol
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[9:06] <[Saint]> Sounds like a south east asian STI.
[9:08] <[Saint]> "Can't come in to work for a while, stayed in a dodgy boarding hostel and came down with a real bad case of Baofeng Bit"
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[9:16] <Sonny_Jim> lol
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[9:19] <drjam> rofl
[9:19] <drjam> *cough cough* i feel it
[9:19] <drjam> prices are good tho
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[9:20] <[Saint]> Really ironic that the default PIXEL/*-ui-mods setup includes uBlock Origin, and H246ify.
[9:21] <[Saint]> ...so you can turn the VP8/VP9 videos from YouTube into H264, but, not be able to actually play them. Because uBlock's default rules completely break YouTube.
[9:21] <[Saint]> Good job.
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[9:23] <Sonny_Jim> I thought there was some kind of omxplayer plugin for that
[9:24] <[Saint]> kind of a moot point in PIXEL as Chromium is acelerated there anyway.
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[9:30] * Sonny_Jim waits for binwalk to install
[9:30] <Sonny_Jim> For some reason, it wants to install about 140MB of packages
[9:30] <Sonny_Jim> I guess there was a big python update recently or something
[9:30] <drjam> hahaha thats what she said
[9:30] <drjam> again
[9:31] <[Saint]> Sonny_Jim: apt-get install foo --no-install-recommends
[9:31] <[Saint]> I just force depends only in apt.conf.d myself.
[9:32] <[Saint]> Most packages come with a bunch of crap no one ever really wants or needs that's surpluss to core functionality.
[9:33] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, it's installing p7zip lol
[9:33] <Sonny_Jim> What does that have to do with binwalk?
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[9:38] <[Saint]> Sonny_Jim:
[9:38] <[Saint]> cat > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00idontneedanyofthiscrap << EOF
[9:38] <[Saint]> APT::Install-Recommends "0";
[9:38] <[Saint]> APT::Install-Suggests "0";
[9:38] <[Saint]> EOF
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[9:41] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah kinda wish I did that a while ago
[9:41] <[Saint]> While you're messing about in apt.conf.d, you can comment out the lazy disabling of pdiffs in 50raspi
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[9:41] <[Saint]> SInce RPF disabled it years ago and never bothered re-enabling pdiffs since it became dramatically faster.
[9:42] <[Saint]> These days pdiff updating is on par with, or faster than full-take sources.
[9:43] <ali1234> [Saint]: can you explain to me what exactly raspberrypi-bootloader.preinst and .postinst are supposed to do?
[9:43] <ali1234> specifically how it doesn't just delete the files it installed
[9:44] <[Saint]> where are we lookin'?
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[9:46] <ali1234> /var/lig/dpkg/info
[9:46] <ali1234> *lib
[9:46] <ali1234> its some dpkg-divert magic
[9:47] <ali1234> when i install the package in a chroot the preinst bails because it can't find a mmc card, and then the postinst deletes all the installed files
[9:47] <[Saint]> hahahahaha
[9:47] <ali1234> what i dont understand is how that doesn't happen in a normal system
[9:48] <[Saint]> I was just gonna say...what about USB boot and PXE?
[9:48] <[Saint]> Hang on, looking. I always wondered why the several bajillion kernelhack diversions came from.
[9:48] <ali1234> i mean the general idea is "don't touch user's custom bootloader"
[9:49] <ali1234> i assume anyway
[9:49] <[Saint]> /var/lib/dpkg/info/raspberrypi-bootloader.postinst is...insane.
[9:49] <[Saint]> how does that ever not wipe out the /boot contents?
[9:50] <ali1234> i have absolutely no idea :/
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[9:50] <[Saint]> My guess is you'd need to look into how the bootloader and kernel installs are handled. I would /guess/ it copies to a transitional location until after postinst has fired.
[9:51] <[Saint]> Otherwise I see no way you could ever not explode your install.
[9:51] <ali1234> i work around it by just not running either of them
[9:51] * Armand tucks a grenade in [Saint]'s pocket and yanks the pin out
[9:52] <[Saint]> It's not a grenade, I'm just happy to see you. I just had a young man fishing around in my pocket.
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[9:57] <Armand> I ain't young no more.. :/
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[10:01] <[Saint]> ...I didn't say it was you.
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[10:04] <Armand> lulz
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[11:09] <RoBo_V> I'm looking for dedcate full screen GUI on raspbery pi, what is best option here ?
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[11:11] <Spaulding> RoBo_V: what usage?
[11:12] <RoBo_V> just have some data coming in, So need to dispaly data over GUI, filter selection, send data to intialstate change bucket name etc.
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[11:17] <Sonny_Jim> Then don't have a GUI at all
[11:17] <Sonny_Jim> Write an application using something like SDL to display the sensor data, run it under an x server
[11:17] <Sonny_Jim> No need for a window manager/desktop environment
[11:18] <Sonny_Jim> In fact, you wouldn't need an X server at all, SDL works fine (and accelerated) under the framebuffer
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[14:48] <roger_padactor> workflow ssh script + raspberry pi = easy photo and video recording with a press of a button.
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[15:06] <gordonDrogon> I use SDL in my BASIC interpreter. Just 1.3 though which I don't think is accelerated, but all I need is a dumb framebuffer at the end of the day.
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[15:38] <Armand> gordonDrogon: I should have some decent progress on my 18650 power banks soon. :D
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[15:46] <gordonDrogon> ah. good. if only I had time to get to grips with my solar garden project ...
[15:47] <Armand> I think you live a bit far for me to lend a hand.
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[15:58] <gordonDrogon> deepest, darkest, Devon ...
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> I have to build the mppt charge controller first ...
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[16:11] <IT_Sean> the muppet charge controller? I didn't know muppets ran on batteries. :p
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[16:22] <Armand> gordonDrogon: I'm just using an acceptable PWM from ebay, 30A load tolerance.
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[16:32] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Sweet, so, now I have two modules I bought coming in this Saturday to test ideas on. I have a Particle Photon coming and a HiLetgo NodeMCU LUA WiFi modules coming in. So, Pseudo-C or JavaScript, whichever I end up preferring, along with the actual module itself. heh
[16:32] <shiftplusone> [Saint]: why would the postinst script nuke /boot?
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[16:41] <NineChickens> School IT approves of my yearbook quote
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[16:47] <Armand> NineChickens: "Winner, winner.. Chicken dinner" ??
[16:50] <brianx> rm -rf /highschool/
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[16:57] <Chillum> "It has been a long strange trip') DROP TABLE Yearbook; --"
[16:57] <Chillum> oops I mean "It has been a long strange trip'); DROP TABLE Yearbook; --"
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[17:00] <francis> muppets \o/
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[17:03] <Armand> Oh, yes... Little Bobby Tables.
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[17:10] <bedah> https://github.com/minimaxir/big-list-of-naughty-strings
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[17:19] <stiv> Armand, heh
[17:23] <NineChickens> brianx: "cd /highschool && sudo rm -rf"
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> Armand, I'm fairly sure that most of the time the controller would be in PWM mode anyway, however my plan is to charge 2 batteries one after the other with the load being taken from one (or the other) battery so needs some interesting switching to make that work - I need to be able to pull one of the batteries to take to the house (60m away) for separate charging...
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[17:23] <brianx> i simplified.
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[17:28] <NineChickens> yeah
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[17:33] <brianx> gordonDrogon: opamp or comparator to select, fets to enable. block the current going from the high one to the low one without causing a diode drop.
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> I have an ATmega setup to do the selection & monitoring.
[17:35] <brianx> what handles the period from connecting a full battery to the time it takes for the uC to notice and switch?
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[17:37] <gordonDrogon> a pendulum. not really sure what you mean though.
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> connecting a full battery won't normally do anything.
[17:38] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. Yeah. I've got a few prototyping stuff coming in for building out a custom home monitoring/security system. Just added a Adafruit HUZZAH ESP8266 module to my list.
[17:39] <brianx> huh? connecting a full battery in parallel to an empty battery will try to instantly charge the empty one, limited only by internal and circuit resistance.
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> they're not connected in parallel. they are independant. Think of a Y switch from the solar charger to one of the batterys and another Y switch from the batterys to the load.
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[17:41] <brianx> what is a "y switch"?
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> SPDT.
[17:42] <brianx> and a big capacitor to handle the cutover?
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> no.
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[17:43] <brianx> what keeps the pi from rebooting when power is lost while the spdt switch is switching?
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> well - the atmega has one of those smart LiPo charge units on it - so I guess you could call it a "big capacitor" :)
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> it's not a Pi.
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[17:44] <brianx> what's being powered?
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> stuff.... including another ATmega, Wi-Fi access point, wireless bridge. Pi + camera, "water feature". lights.
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> the usual garden stuff.
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> the other atmega has a low bandwidth link to the house and it can then turn on the 'mains' to the rest of the garden, so we leave the house, push the "turn on garden" button and by the time we get there, it's up and running.
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> that's the plan, anyway.
[17:46] <brianx> what keeps the 3 computers from rebooting while the spdt switch is switching?
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> I'm not anticipating an issue there, but I'll do something about it if it proves to be an usse.
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> *issue.
[17:47] <brianx> hmm, switches are slow.
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> mosfets aren't.
[17:47] <brianx> yep, they aren't.
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[17:50] <gordonDrogon> I have had a thought that I might parallel the batteries - in times of desperate need - so if I were to run one down to (say) 11.5v then switch to the other and when it gets to 11.5v then parallel them, but not sure if I'll implement that.
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> we spent a lot of time last summer in our garden, just looking to make life a little easier down there this year.
[17:51] <brianx> getting them matched close enough would take some effort, but sure.
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> so a bit of tv/video watching, some work on a laptop (probably a Pi) and general ambience.
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> it's not an ideal place for solar, but I have 3 x 180W panels.
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> which will all be facing different ways... :-|
[17:52] <brianx> lol
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[17:52] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[17:52] <brianx> variations on south i hope.
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> if only.
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> and we're in the shade for a while due to neighbouring houses too.
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[17:54] <brianx> it's the uk, you only get what, 3 days of sun a year?
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> hoho ...
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> http://moor.drogon.net/garden1/large/IMGP7116.JPG
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> global warming and all that...
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> the tree at the back is no longer there which gives a lot more light.
[17:56] <brianx> not looking forward to the results of this winter's global warming. going to be a lot of bugs, the weather never stayed cold enough in chicago to kill them.
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[17:56] <gordonDrogon> same here to a degree.
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> although the wasps weren't too bad last year.
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> I think because there was a lot of natural food for them, they didn't bother us too much.
[17:57] <brianx> we have 3 foot frost usually. this year was closer to 3 inches.
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> it's milder here, but I think we only got properly below zero for 2 or 3 days this year.
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[17:58] <gordonDrogon> I lived in MA some 20 years ago and remember all the ponds icing up - with about 18" of ice - I don't think any properly iced over this last winter.
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[17:59] <brianx> you probably have predators that keep them in check. they didn't develop here because the insect population is usually killed off over winter.
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[18:00] <brianx> yeah, 18" is is normal here too
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[18:07] <brianx> that battery charger that a couple people had a fit about a couple days ago is just now finishing up it's charge. 172.0 volts. 0.8v to go. only 9F temperature rise on the battery so far and 10F on the charger.
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> wonder how efficient it is ...
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[18:10] <gordonDrogon> actually, if the bulbs are glowing, probably not a lot :)
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[18:12] <flughafen_> i have an rpi3 with an sd card that has openelec, but I burned a retropi to a usb stick. ifi unplug the sd card will it boot from the usb stick?
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[18:13] <leftyfb> flughafen_: no
[18:13] <bedah> flughafen_, i've never tried it, but AFAIK you need the right firmware on the rpi3
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[18:14] <mnemonic> can rpi3 boot from a usb stick?
[18:14] <bedah> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/pi-3-booting-part-i-usb-mass-storage-boot/
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[18:16] <flughafen_> thanks bedah
[18:16] <bedah> kein problem
[18:16] <mnemonic> bedah: nice
[18:16] <bedah> please report if you succeed
[18:17] <brianx> gordonDrogon: efficiency is probably around 30%.
[18:18] <flughafen_> ah, sweet, i found my microsdcard converter thingie
[18:19] <brianx> this isn't a charger for regular use, the pack was unused for awhile and needs a balancing charge. will probably need another after being cycled a couple times.
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[18:23] <brianx> the built in charger only does a balancing charge when temperatures are below about 10F and above about 3F. i didn't drive this year while temperatures were in that range.
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[18:58] <plum> i set up a zero yesterday only to find that ping was lacking permissions o.o
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[19:00] <plum> anyone have a site they recommend for inexpensive pi sensors and whatnot?
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[19:01] <shiftplusone> plum: how did you set it up?
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[19:01] <plum> shiftplusone: i used raspbian lite from the noobs installer that was on the SD card, it might have an old version
[19:02] <shiftplusone> Hm no, that should've downloaded the latest version of raspbian lite, which shouldn't have that problem.
[19:02] <plum> i didn't have internets set up at the time of running the installer though if i remember right
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[19:03] <shiftplusone> Then raspbian lite would not have been an option
[19:04] <leftyfb> ping was lacking permissions?
[19:04] <plum> noobs had it as an option in the installer
[19:04] <leftyfb> that's not a thing
[19:04] <shiftplusone> leftyfb: it's a thing.
[19:04] <leftyfb> in what world?
[19:04] <plum> yeah, i had to do like chmod u+s /usr/bin/ping
[19:04] <shiftplusone> It requires some capabilities set. If they aren't, debian will try to use setuid to always run it as root instead.
[19:04] <plum> it was really weird
[19:05] <plum> first pi setup i've had to do that on
[19:05] <plum> this is the error i was getting: ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted
[19:05] <shiftplusone> if neither happens, you get the above error
[19:06] <plum> for sure
[19:06] <plum> i'm glad it's working now though
[19:06] <plum> i have a couple other pi 0's to test from, i'll see if it happens with them too
[19:06] <leftyfb> i've setup scores of pi's. Never once needed to set any permissions for ping to work
[19:06] <leftyfb> or use sudo or login as root
[19:06] <plum> on raspbian lite?
[19:06] <leftyfb> yes
[19:07] <leftyfb> i'll try again maybe today
[19:07] <plum> dang
[19:07] <plum> hmmm you know, this was also before i ran an update though
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> I do recall some folks have the ping issue - but that was months and months ago ...
[19:07] <shiftplusone> leftyfb: the capabilities thing came in with jessie. What happened was that the capabilities would be set correctly, but be lost when the archive for NOOBS was created.
[19:07] <avu> leftyfb: then the setuid bit was always present, which is of course how it should be. ping does need to be run as root though, it's normally just handled through said setuid bit
[19:07] <brianx> I've seen the ping problem too.
[19:08] <shiftplusone> Now NOOBS can handle capabilities, if the archive is created correctly and capabilities are dropped anyway so that it falls back on suid, so it should never happen anymore.
[19:09] <plum> aye, probably works best to just do an update
[19:09] <plum> which i'd thought i couldn't do though because my pings weren't working :P
[19:09] <shiftplusone> But there has never been a realease of NOOBS with raspbian lite available for offline install
[19:09] <brianx> remove the excessive permissions then do the update.
[19:09] <leftyfb> granted, i've never used NOOBS
[19:10] <shiftplusone> leftyfb: the problem never happened in the raw images, so that would explain it.
[19:10] <Psi-Jack> First time I used NOOBS, course, first time I ever used RPi too. LOL
[19:10] <leftyfb> another reason to never touch or suggest NOOBS
[19:10] <brianx> i got it during upgrade to jessie.
[19:10] <shiftplusone> Do you people really need reasons other than that you prefer images instead?
[19:10] <plum> i don't prefer noobs
[19:10] <Psi-Jack> I actually had pretty good success with NOOBS installing both Raspbian and the Lite version after rewriting the SD.
[19:11] <shiftplusone> There is nothing wrong with NOOBS, other than some people grumbling about how terrible it is.
[19:12] * plugwash disagrees
[19:12] <plum> i mean it's great for a lot of people, i'd just prefer images myself :)
[19:12] <brianx> it's just a solution looking for a problem.
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[19:13] <plum> that entirely went over my head, what do you mean?
[19:13] <plugwash> The biggest problem with noobs is that there is no supported path for upgrading noobs itself
[19:13] * plum can't think today apparently :P
[19:14] <plugwash> So when someone buys a new pi and wants to transfer their existing install they are screwed unless they resort to unsupported hacks
[19:14] <brianx> there was no problem to be solved when noobs was made. win and mac users had gui tools for imaging. linux had dd.
[19:14] <shiftplusone> plugwash: No automated path. You can extract new files over it, remove 'runinstaller' from cmdline.txt and you're up to date. Point taken though.
[19:14] <shiftplusone> brianx: and how do you dual-boot with dd?
[19:15] <plugwash> shiftplusone, more important no *supported* path
[19:15] <brianx> i don't.
[19:15] <plugwash> if you try what you just described with certain versions of noobs you will end up with an unbootable system
[19:16] <plum> you can't do a dd /dev/mmc to grab all partitions?
[19:16] <brianx> I've never dual booted anything except long ago to learn how it was done.
[19:16] <shiftplusone> plugwash: From any recent versions?
[19:17] <plugwash> It was a while back, noobs changed it's partition structure
[19:17] <plugwash> if you do what you describe on a system using the old noobs partition structure you will leave it unbootable
[19:17] <shiftplusone> I don't use NOOBS on my regular pi, but I have found it very useful on my testing pi. I tend to abuse the system in a variety of ways, so getting back to a clean slate without having to swap out cards all the time has been quite useful.
[19:18] <shiftplusone> So if I see a post on the forum that says 'this thing doesn't work out of the box', it takes me very little time to check whether that's true. Having cards all over the desk doesn't work too well.
[19:19] <leftyfb> I don't like the fact of spending more time copying NOOBS to the sd card, only to install raspbian after the fact. Just load the raspbian image. I guess I get it if NOOBS already comes on the card, but if it's not already there and you don't care to dual boot, I don't see the point in wasting the time
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[19:19] <leftyfb> shiftplusone: I've got a nice little 3d printed case for all my sd cards :)
[19:19] <shiftplusone> absolutely
[19:19] <plum> it's convenient to have noobs preinstalled, but if i'm to install it i'll just go with an image
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[19:20] <plugwash> shiftplusone, I have tried to convince the people in charge of noobs that they should have a supported upgrade path but my requests fell on deaf ears.
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[19:23] <shiftplusone> plugwash: I guess that's because NOOBS is meant to be a low maintenance thing. It's feature complete as is. It would be nice if it did 100 other things, but we don't have the people to do that.
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[19:24] <plugwash> The problem is the idea behind noobs was that noobs itself would never need to be updated
[19:24] <plugwash> which works fine until you want to put your card in a new pi
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> is it possible to get stats on the number of people using noobs vs. raspbian?
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> if it's low then ...
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[19:25] <plugwash> I dunno stats globablly but my impression is that most newcomers use noobs, most experiance people use plain images
[19:25] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon: it's not low.
[19:25] <plugwash> which of course is the worst possible situation from a support point of view
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> oh well, just a thought.
[19:27] <plugwash> so a relatively inexperianced user asks "how do I make my existing raspbian system work in my new pi". A more technical user tells them to run "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade". They run that but it still doesn't work.
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[19:28] <plugwash> and they are left stumped as to why
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[19:28] <shiftplusone> Yup, there are a handful of those posts when a new model is released.
[19:29] <brianx> So, in other words a solution looking for a problem that creates a problem.
[19:30] <shiftplusone> As opposed to everything else in life which always works perfectly in all circumstances?
[19:30] <plugwash> I understand the problem noobs was built to solve, if you are setting up a pi from scratch and are completely new at this then writing some files to a SD card is a much lower barrier than writing an image
[19:31] <plugwash> writing an image for example requires you to have admin privilages on the computer doing the writing
[19:31] <brianx> Adding multi-boot to start.elf might have been a better solution.
[19:31] <shiftplusone> plugwash: it was also created at a time of surprise SD corruption, so the rule was that NOOBS should never modify its own partition.
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[19:32] <plugwash> I think it was also created before anyone realised that the rpf would be shipping out new incompatible hardware fairly frequently
[19:36] <ali1234> shiftplusone: can you explain the raspberrypi-bootloader dpkg-divert stuff pls?
[19:36] <ali1234> the problem i have is it doesn't work inside a chroot
[19:37] <ali1234> the preinst fails because no SD card, and then the postinst deletes everything
[19:39] <shiftplusone> ali1234: not off the top of my head. If I was to scratch at what I can recall, dpkg can't install over existing files on a FAT partition because it tries to fiddle with permissions. That's probably not exactly what happens, but I know that it fails if you don't divert first.
[19:39] <plugwash> the divert stuff is a hack to work around dpkg not liking fat partitions
[19:40] <ali1234> i see. but i dont have a fat partition
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[19:40] <ali1234> so the divert isn't set up
[19:40] <ali1234> and then postinst rm's everything
[19:40] <Chillum> a lot of linux stuff does not deal with case insensitive filenames well
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[19:41] <plugwash> it's not case-insensitive filenames that are the problem, IIRC it's the lack of support for hardlinks
[19:41] <shiftplusone> ali1234: what do you have instead? Why exactly does it fail? I haven't had any problems installing it from a chroot.
[19:41] <ali1234> shiftplusone: i have... a normal ext4 filesystem
[19:42] <ali1234> it fails because there is no /dev/mmcblk0p1 on my system
[19:42] <ali1234> and no separate /boot partition
[19:42] <ali1234> and even if there was, it would have nothing to do with the chroot
[19:42] <shiftplusone> Neither do we when we create the image.
[19:43] <ali1234> i thought you used qemu-system?
[19:43] <shiftplusone> no, chroot with qemu-user-static
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[19:44] <ali1234> well, starting with preinst: https://github.com/RPi-Distro/firmware/blob/debian/debian/raspberrypi-bootloader.preinst
[19:44] <ali1234> every single one of those "exit 1" would be hit
[19:45] <plugwash> hmm, I don't think so
[19:45] <ali1234> oh wait a minute, that's all inside a big if
[19:45] <ali1234> hmm okay so that works fine
[19:45] <shiftplusone> if [ -f "/boot/recovery.elf" ]; then
[19:45] <ali1234> so then the postinst: https://github.com/RPi-Distro/firmware/blob/debian/debian/raspberrypi-bootloader.postinst
[19:45] <ali1234> "rm -f /boot/start.elf"
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[19:46] <ali1234> now i no longer have a start.elf
[19:46] <Chillum> elf lives matter
[19:46] <plugwash> do you have a log of it going wrong? if so can you pastebin it?
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[19:47] <ali1234> i will make one
[19:47] <ali1234> it will be quite long though
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[19:50] <ali1234> plugwash: basically multistrap unpacks everything, then i run all the preinst files, then i run dpkg --configure -a
[19:51] <plugwash> running preinst after unpacking is kinda ass-backwards
[19:52] <ali1234> i now but how can you run it if you haven't unpacked it yet?
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[19:53] <plugwash> when installing a package normally dpkg will first extract preinst from the package and run it, then extract the main package data, then run postinst
[19:53] <ali1234> so the idea is that dpkg-divert is set up before the package is unpacked?
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[19:53] <ali1234> so ten the start.elf gets diverted somewhere else
[19:54] <ali1234> then the postinst deletes the existing start.elf and moves the new one over it
[19:54] <ali1234> but what actually happens is start.elf gets unpacket to /boot
[19:54] <ali1234> then the dpkg-divert is set up
[19:54] <ali1234> then the start.elf gets deleted
[19:54] <ali1234> then the divert is removed
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[19:54] <plugwash> sounds like it
[19:54] <ali1234> but nothing ever got diverted
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[19:55] <plugwash> I expect you will find everything works fine if you install the package in the normal way
[19:56] <ali1234> of course it does
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[19:57] <ali1234> simply not running either the pre- or postinst also works
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[19:57] * plugwash wonders why you are doing this weird stuff in the first place
[19:57] <plugwash> rather than just doing the normal thing of bootstrapping the base system then installing other stuff you want in the normal way
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[19:58] <shiftplusone> Feels nicer to be able to do everything in fewer steps?
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[19:59] <plugwash> mmm
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[19:59] <ali1234> plugwash: because you can't run a chroot debootstrap without root
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[20:00] <ali1234> a cross chroot debootstrap that is
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[20:00] <plugwash> Either way I don't think it would be a bad idea to make that postinst code more defensive
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[20:01] <plugwash> Packaging is like being a sysadmin on thousands of machines you lever get to touch
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[20:03] <ali1234> this is what i do: https://github.com/ali1234/multistrap-experiments
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[20:04] <ali1234> tis produces something you can boot with tftpboot, or just copy boot/ to an SD card
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[20:04] <ali1234> if you supply a kernel7.tar.gz, which comes from another script
[20:04] * plugwash would suggest adding a conditional to those postinst entries checking if the file to be undiverted actually exists
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[20:05] <cyanide> headless pi2, should i run rtorrent, transmission or deluge?
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[20:05] <shiftplusone> wouldn't be a bad idea.
[20:06] <cyanide> no, im asking which one :)
[20:06] <shiftplusone> cyanide: sorry, that was a reply to plugwash
[20:06] <cyanide> ah
[20:06] <shiftplusone> cyanide: which one do you prefer?
[20:06] <kaosine> stupid question but has anyone tried to do a portable with pi that allows for using retrode adapters and real cartridges? I keep toying with the idea of doing this but don't know where I'd start XD
[20:07] <shiftplusone> I use deluge, but that's just a preference.
[20:07] <cyanide> i've used transmission on linux boxes before, never used rtorrent or deluge
[20:07] <cyanide> transmission was always very good
[20:07] <cyanide> but back then, rtorrent wasn't popular or probably out
[20:07] <ali1234> plugwash: the other benefit to multistrap is it only takes about 2 minutes to build the image
[20:07] <shiftplusone> cyanide: why not keep using transmission?
[20:08] <shiftplusone> cyanide: or try out all of them and see which one you prefer.
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[20:08] <cyanide> well the initial issue will be to migrate my 300+ torrents over from utorrent. so i think i'll check if its possible to import that into any of the 3 clients
[20:09] <ali1234> shiftplusone: do you know what will be the foundation kernel major version for stretch?
[20:09] <shiftplusone> They'll generally detect that the files already exist and then take a very long time to verify all of them
[20:10] <cyanide> jesus christ, the check is going to take days
[20:10] <shiftplusone> cyanide: not much of a problem if you intend to leave it running 24/7 anyway.
[20:11] <cyanide> if the resume files are the same for transmission clients across different arch, i'll maybe setup a vm on my main rig and have it generate that, then just move over that file to my pi
[20:11] <plugwash> ali1234, shiftplusone https://github.com/RPi-Distro/firmware/issues/2
[20:12] <shiftplusone> ali1234: I'd expect it to be 4.11, but it's whatever popcornmix and PhilE say is stable enough at the time.
[20:13] <plum> i want to build a Lego case for my pi + external hdd + pi camera :D
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[20:18] <ali1234> plum: https://plus.google.com/photos/photo/117474986382867317779/6132121476925959954
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[20:18] <ali1234> pi A+ goes in the back/top
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[20:19] <ali1234> https://hackaday.io/project/10836/gallery#19bab9e144bd587d38f86c196d596931
[20:19] <plum> oooh that's cool!
[20:20] <plum> i'd love to have the camera be moveable too
[20:20] <ali1234> maybe you want a pan-tilt hat
[20:21] <ali1234> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pan-tilt-hat
[20:21] <plum> omg they make those
[20:21] <plum> hmmm would it work with a zero?
[20:21] <ali1234> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pibow-modification-layers
[20:22] <ali1234> it would work with a zero, however the hat will be much bigger than the zero
[20:22] <ali1234> so it won't "stand" properly
[20:22] <plum> makes sense
[20:22] <ali1234> for external hdd i would just go with a 3+
[20:22] <ali1234> 3B i mean
[20:23] <plum> i have a zero mounted on a hdd i'm hoping to turn into a little surveillance camera thingy
[20:23] <shiftplusone> or a mini-glados
[20:23] <plum> that would be so cool omg
[20:23] <plum> this is what i picked up on pi day: http://wdlabs.wd.com/products/pidrive-node-zero
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[20:24] <shiftplusone> At least that's what came to mind when I saw this https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0174/1800/products/pan-tilt_1024x1024.gif?v=1480008169
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[20:24] <ali1234> i can only give the an tilt hat 4/5 stars, because the movement is quite jerky. actually its so jerky that the screws come undone
[20:24] <plum> shiftplusone: i'll throw a speaker onto it and a quirky personality :P
[20:25] <ali1234> some loctite would fix that though
[20:25] <shiftplusone> heh
[20:25] <ali1234> oh that WD thing looks nice
[20:25] <ali1234> i'd buy it if the zero could run ubuntu...
[20:26] <ali1234> if they made something like that, but for CM3... that would be an instabuy :)
[20:26] <shiftplusone> haven't they?
[20:27] <ali1234> not that i know of
[20:27] <shiftplusone> I am probably thinking of the CM stick they did a while back. Nvrm
[20:28] * plugwash thinks it would be funny to hide a pi0 in a potato and have it pretend to be glados
[20:28] <shiftplusone> lol
[20:29] * plugwash wonders if shiftplusone got the potato reference
[20:30] <shiftplusone> yup
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[20:37] <Inky_> when i sftp over ssh with filezilla, connecting to my rpi3 via ethernet, i get 6MB/s transfer speed, while the benchmarks i found on the net say the rpi3 has 11.8 MB/s. why?
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[20:40] <shiftplusone> Where is the 11.8 figure from? If I had to guess you're seeing the overhead of encryption.
[20:40] <leftyfb> Inky_: security protocol overhead
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[20:41] <Inky_> shiftplusone: this very cool post: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blogs/jeff-geerling/getting-gigabit-networking
[20:41] <cyanide> 100mbit ethernet
[20:41] <cyanide> hence the 11.8MB/s probably
[20:41] <shiftplusone> iperf: [ 3] 0.0-10.0 sec 113 MBytes 11.3 MBytes/sec
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[20:42] <shiftplusone> Inky_: those are iperf results which are as close as you can get to no overhead.
[20:42] <Inky_> ok great, thanks
[20:42] <shiftplusone> it's only telling you the network speed you're getting. It's not taking into account disk read/write, encryption or whatever other overheads there might be.
[20:42] <Inky_> ill have to try ftp
[20:43] <Inky_> i want to see how fast i can do screen sharing from the pi
[20:43] <shiftplusone> ftp should give good results, but <usual non-specific security concerns regarding ftp that people always bring up>
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[20:43] <leftyfb> Inky_: what does that have to do with ssh/scp?
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[20:45] <Inky_> leftyfb: nothing. i initially asked why i couldnt get 11 MB/s testing with sftp
[20:45] <Inky_> but since i know now that i have 11MB/s and i only saw 6 because of S overhead, i can proceed with my initial goal, which is fast screen sharing :D
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[20:51] <shiftplusone> Tried a USB Gbit adapter and am seeing much better results than in that post. 305Mbit
[20:52] <shiftplusone> Ah, they have given the pi2 results, but the pi3 results match, nvrm
[20:54] <[Saint]> rpi|fast networking;
[20:54] <[Saint]> pick one.
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[20:54] <Inky_> bottom line is that the usb bus will be the bottleneck
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[20:55] <shiftplusone> If it's faster than my internet and can stream video, it's fast enough for me. The only time it becomes a bottleneck is when transferring huge files.
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[20:57] * [Saint] forgot shiftplusone lives in third-world-internet land.
[20:57] <leftyfb> shiftplusone: how are you getting Gbit speeds over usb2 on the pi?
[20:57] <[Saint]> he's not.
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[20:58] <plugwash> shiftplusone, how fast is your internet?
[20:58] <shiftplusone> [Saint]: living in the UK now, so it's not quite as bad as it was back home.
[20:58] <leftyfb> oh right, 305
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[20:58] * plugwash is on an 80 down 20 up package and gets pretty close to that
[20:59] <[Saint]> why such horrible disparity?
[20:59] <[Saint]> why do telcos do that?
[20:59] <plugwash> honestly it's the 20 up that bothers me more. If an ISP offered me a symmetric 50 i'd take it in a heartbeat
[20:59] <[Saint]> right.
[20:59] <leftyfb> ISP's around here don't want you hosting any sort of servers on residential lines. That's part of the reason they slow down your upload
[21:01] * mfa298 dreams of such speeds. If I'm lucky my download speed is half of plugwash's upload speed.
[21:01] <shiftplusone> I'm on BT infinity 1, which I think is 52Mbit
[21:02] <mfa298> yay for being on a small city exchange (only around 2000 lines I think), I think my choice is bt adsl2 or bt adsl2
[21:03] <[Saint]> you guys are making me feel guilty for having two gigabit pipes.
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[21:03] <[Saint]> NZ finally pulled its head out of its bum in that regard.
[21:03] <shiftplusone> "But residents who live on high enough ground have been told not to venture into the floods because of sharks and snakes in the water.".... I should go back to Australia for a holiday, once the sharks aren't swimming in the streets.
[21:03] <[Saint]> FTTD for everyone by 2020
[21:03] <plugwash> Here my best options are either openreach FTTC (what i'm on now) or virgin media cable.
[21:04] <plugwash> virgin media cable has better download but worse upload
[21:04] <GenteelBen> plugwash how many people get >10Mbit/s on ADSL?
[21:04] <[Saint]> it's not unheard of.
[21:05] <GenteelBen> Virgin are the only company who can realistically offer the service you pay for 99% of the time.
[21:05] <shiftplusone> In my experience, you're lucky if Virgin works at all.
[21:05] <GenteelBen> I've been using Virgin's cable broadband since ~2001 at multiple addresses and I never got less than the advertised speed. In fact I usually got up to 5% more.
[21:06] <GenteelBen> E.g. I think I get 220Mbit/s now...if I run a speedtest I actually get 225Mbit/s.
[21:06] <shiftplusone> Were you using their bundled modem?
[21:06] <GenteelBen> Yeah, their super hub.
[21:06] <[Saint]> One thing my telco has in common with plugwash's, is they both think ipv6 doesn't exist.
[21:06] <shiftplusone> I guess I was just unlucky at my previous address.
[21:06] <mfa298> I'm not even sure I can get VM here, we used to have analogue cable but I'm not sure they ever upgraded to anything braodband capable
[21:06] <GenteelBen> Basically ADSL is just a crapshot because you don't know the speed you'll get until the line is physically installed with internets enabled.
[21:07] <GenteelBen> mfa298, did you check on their coverage map?
[21:07] <[Saint]> Why would anyone ever get ADSL anyway? Any telco that can offer ADSL should be able to offer VDSL2.
[21:07] <GenteelBen> Well, some form of DSL.
[21:08] <[Saint]> If they don't, I'm sure there's someone else that wants your money.
[21:08] <mfa298> GenteelBen: I've tried the VM signup wizard a few times in the past and they only offered my adsl over bt wires
[21:08] <GenteelBen> And ADSL is the cheapest option. Some ISPs give you ADSL for free for a year.
[21:08] <GenteelBen> mfa298 then it means that's all you can get. :(
[21:08] <GenteelBen> Try it again though.
[21:08] <GenteelBen> Basically the fastest most reliable internet access in the UK is Virgin Broadband, but its customer service sucks and they have what, 50% UK coverage?
[21:09] <GenteelBen> It's also more expensive, but you can get it without a stupid phone line.
[21:09] <[Saint]> bah. stoopid ublock origin chromium addon lost its settings again.
[21:09] <GenteelBen> I get 200Mbps apparently (soon to be upgraded to 300Mbps for free) for £47 with no phone line.
[21:09] <ali1234> i just switch from ADSL to VDSL2 yesterday
[21:09] <ali1234> i have 80/20 now
[21:09] <GenteelBen> Also
[21:09] <[Saint]> now the default rpi-chromium-mods setup is dying on YouTube again.
[21:10] <GenteelBen> Contention ratios are much higher on DSL than cable.
[21:10] <[Saint]> kinda hard to believe no one noticed that ublock was killing youtube?
[21:10] <GenteelBen> i.e. you've got a fuckton of people on your DSL segment using internets at peak times.
[21:10] <ali1234> i use ublock, youtube works fine
[21:10] <GenteelBen> On cable there are fewer people per segment, plus there's more spare capacity in the first place.
[21:10] <GreeningGalaxy> GenteelBen: at some point the Debian folks discovered that Chromium extension updates were breaking (and that they *should* be installed as Debian packages, not from the Chrome Web Store for some reason). Their solution? Disable all Chromium extensions.
[21:10] <ali1234> ublock origin 1.11.4
[21:11] <shiftplusone> no issues with ublock here either
[21:11] <GenteelBen> GreeningGalaxy: the Chrome Web Store is a threat to their package monopoly.
[21:11] <[Saint]> If I have ublock enabled on youtube, no youtube video plays.
[21:11] <mfa298> GenteelBen: After sticking postcode and address into VM's broadband checker: "We're pretty sure you'll be able to get your perfect Virgin Media package, but we'll need to get a bit more info first."
[21:11] <mfa298> I suspect that's a no then...
[21:11] <[Saint]> it just sits there churning indefinitely.
[21:11] <GenteelBen> Hey I just realised monopoly is a compound of "mono" (one) and "poly" (many).
[21:11] * GenteelBen 's mind = blown
[21:12] <GenteelBen> [Saint] depends on the block list I guess?
[21:12] <GreeningGalaxy> Huh, I always looked at it as a derivative of "monopole"
[21:12] <GenteelBen> Just reset uBlock.
[21:12] <mfa298> but I'd have to wait 5 working days for someone to phone me and tell me that
[21:12] <[Saint]> GreeningGalaxy: it's all defaults, I wanted to make sure it worked as shipped.
[21:12] <GenteelBen> GreeningGalaxy that's because you're not a jock like me.
[21:12] <GenteelBen> Ok
[21:13] <[Saint]> errr, crap, GenteelBen rather.
[21:13] <[Saint]> stoopid not readily identifiable at a glance nicks.
[21:13] <[Saint]> ;)
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[21:13] <GenteelBen> I would argue, though, that most people don't need anything more than 76Mbps.
[21:13] <GreeningGalaxy> [Saint]: I suppose that's fair, but I'm not sure "refuses to run extensions" is better than "extensions don't update" and not worse.
[21:13] <GenteelBen> If you're going to stream 4x Netflix movies at the same time while torrenting then yeah, I guess.
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[21:15] <[Saint]> yeah, no idea what the hell you guys are doing differently - but as-shipped, until I disable ublock, YT _absolutely_ does not function.
[21:15] <mfa298> meh, most of the time my ~10mbps is more than enough. I've only noticed it getting slow when it's dropped to ~4mbps
[21:15] <GreeningGalaxy> oh lol, I may have misunderstood the last few lines
[21:15] <GenteelBen> There are 8 different conversations in here, and I'm not part of any of them.
[21:15] <GreeningGalaxy> I thought [Saint] was one of the Debian maintaners who made that decision about the extension thing. :V
[21:15] <[Saint]> hah, lord no.
[21:15] <Psi-Jack> GenteelBen: You could be part of my conversation, and I could be your Huckleberry. ;)
[21:16] <[Saint]> Draw!
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[21:17] <shiftplusone> [Saint]: I noticed you mentioned pdiffs are no longer a problem and should be enabled?
[21:18] <[Saint]> yeah, since, like....ages ago.
[21:18] <[Saint]> took me a while to even figure out you guys were disabling them, I lol'ed.
[21:19] <shiftplusone> Alright... will see what difference it makes at some point.
[21:20] <[Saint]> The only difference it should realistically make that's a guarantee is lower bandwidth.
[21:20] <[Saint]> It may not be /faster/ than full-take, but it should be at parity.
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[21:21] <[Saint]> Basically one shouldn't notice a difference apart from significant bandwidth savings. It /can/ be faster, but it's not a guarantee.
[21:21] <[Saint]> It shouldn't be slower.
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[21:22] <shiftplusone> k
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[21:23] <[Saint]> I suspect you guys probably did this during the crap-storm when pdiffs was introduced to debian and it was taking an order of magnitude loner than full-take, and just forgot about it.
[21:24] <[Saint]> *longer
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[21:31] <shiftplusone> I was aware that it was there, but wasn't the one that put it there. I didn't look into why it was added (other than what the comment says) and had no reason to think that has changed. And it sounds like what you're saying is that at best, it saves a little bandwidth, so even if there is no performance hit, there's no major benefits either.
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[22:14] <NineChickens> so not pi-related but I saw my school's server for the first time today.
[22:15] <NineChickens> it's gigantic
[22:21] <humbag> oh nic
[22:21] <humbag> e
[22:22] <NineChickens> Two whole towers
[22:22] <NineChickens> One for the server and another for the network
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[22:23] <MaekSo> physical access is a great way to hack in and change grades, just so you know
[22:24] <kaosine> I wonder if that outpreforms the ones from my school district I graduated from :P
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[22:25] <kaosine> (I really don't like the idea of remote servers for schools especially since the networks can't handle much traffic coming or going XD)
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[22:45] <TwistedFate> Hello everyone, is Raspberry Pi 3 good choice for a router? I am asking because it only has 1 NIC.
[22:48] <leftyfb> it's a nic connected to an internal usb bus
[22:48] <leftyfb> TwistedFate: if you don't have access to any other router, you CAN use it as a router. I wouldn't
[22:48] <TwistedFate> Wait, its Ethernet port is connected to the internal USB BUS?
[22:48] <leftyfb> the only benefit would be cost and availability if you already had a pi plus usb ethernet adapter and no ability to get a eal router
[22:49] <leftyfb> yep
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[22:49] <leftyfb> real*
[22:49] <TwistedFate> leftyfb, what are the drawbacks?
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[22:50] <leftyfb> lack of speed (ethernet), wireless being also slow acting as an AP, lack of official support, all features/abilities of your router need to be setup by you
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[22:51] <TwistedFate> leftyfb, how much speed are we talking about here?
[22:52] <leftyfb> don't know for sure since I have no experience with this setup
[22:52] <leftyfb> try it if you're interested
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[22:52] <TwistedFate> leftyfb, i want to be informed before making a purchase, dont have money to waste on tests
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[22:53] <leftyfb> I don't think buying the pieces to build a pi home router makes much sense ... in the end, it's cheaper and better to just get a normal router
[22:53] <TwistedFate> leftyfb, i already have a normal router, what i want to do is to make a router/server
[22:54] <leftyfb> why?
[22:54] <TwistedFate> and i am looking into the single board solutions for that
[22:54] <leftyfb> why do you want to make your own router?
[22:54] <TwistedFate> because i want to put a software of my liking on it and configure it to my wishes
[22:55] <leftyfb> what kind of software? Does it require living on a router or can it live on a server?
[22:56] <TwistedFate> its a fork of debian gnu+linux distribution, i want it to work as a router, firewall and vpn
[22:57] <leftyfb> unless you can find this same setup on google, you're probably on your own as to discovering if it's something that is worth it to you
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[22:58] <TwistedFate> there probably arent the same setups as the one i have in mind, but all i need to know for sure is that if raspberry pi 3 can handle the bandwidth properly
[22:58] <TwistedFate> many people mention its a bad choice because of the USB BUS issue, but no one can tell me what kind of speed it can handle
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> it's a 10/100Mb Ethernet interface.
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> what speeds are you looking at?
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> however, remember 2 things: (a) in "one armed router" mode, traffic comes in and goes out the same interface and (b) USB is half duplex.
[23:01] <leftyfb> from what I hear, the top you're going to get is about 304Mbit/s with no overhead
[23:01] <TwistedFate> gordonDrogon, currently 40mbit/4mbit wan speed
[23:01] <Emil> leftyfb: from what?
[23:02] <leftyfb> Emil: iperf using a Gbit usb adapter apparently
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[23:02] <gordonDrogon> I think that's to be expected on usb2 with Gb devices.
[23:02] <Emil> leftyfb: geting >100Mbits/s from that is really damn well
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> TwistedFate, you might be OK with that.
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> it'll be a learning experience if nothing else - unless you've already built one of these before...
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[23:08] <python476> hi
[23:08] <python476> anybody turned a rpi into a vpn ?
[23:08] <plum> i did :D
[23:08] <python476> ohhh
[23:09] <python476> plum: is the performance adequate ?
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[23:09] <plum> i mean any vpn will decrease your network speeds as you are adding another hop or so
[23:10] <plum> i didn't notice it being too performance heavy, but i run my pi's headless
[23:10] <plum> this was on a B
[23:11] <python476> yeah I can take a small hit, I'm not into high speed anyway
[23:11] <python476> I too run my pis headless, they're all basic SoC (b1, a+, zero)
[23:11] <plum> sweeeeet
[23:11] <plum> i'd recommend reallocating the gpu memory if you'd like too
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[23:12] <python476> 16M is the lowest possible IIUC
[23:12] <plum> doesn't really have to do with the vpn but it'll help with performance
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[23:12] <python476> sure, plus it would be wasted memory space anyway..
[23:13] <plum> true that
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[23:13] <plum> and 16M is the magic number :)
[23:13] <python476> aight
[23:14] <python476> you use openvpn ? 2 tutorials I found used it
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[23:14] <plum> yeah, openvpn is the one i've set up
[23:14] <NineChickens> Maekso, kaosine: grades aren't on there
[23:15] <NineChickens> It's just for this school
[23:15] <NineChickens> but it hit a minor ups error a couple of weeks ago
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[23:16] <ali1234> anyone got some deep knowledge of kernel defconfigs?
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[23:17] <ali1234> i'm trying to understand where the real defaults come from
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[23:17] <ali1234> because defconfig files don't contain everything
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[23:28] <python476> gotta sleep
[23:28] <python476> see ya plum
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[23:43] <plum> alright, take care!
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[23:49] <atomi> anyone using alpine on their rpi?
[23:49] <atomi> and are you using a loop-back file?
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