#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2017-04-01

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[0:08] <infect> I cant find any $5 pi zeros
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[0:08] <infect> only pi zero W models
[0:09] <infect> which are $10
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[0:10] <infect> Does anyone know anywhere with non-w zero's for sale
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[0:10] <infect> except for microcenter
[0:11] <ShorTie> newegg ??
[0:12] <[ill]will> anyone ever try one onf these screens http://www.ebay.com/itm/361900981575
[0:12] <Twist> ooer. I haven't been paying attentino.
[0:12] <Twist> that Zero W looks great.
[0:13] <infect> I heard about it having driver problems [ill]will
[0:13] <infect> you can search for it and find a lot of people that show their experience
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[0:13] <Twist> infect: clearly you just need a friend near a microcenter. :D
[0:13] <infect> ;-;
[0:14] <infect> Twist do u live near a microcenter
[0:14] <Twist> Not super near.. it's about a 20-30 minute drive
[0:14] * ShorTie snickers
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[0:14] <Twist> And you need a full box of nerds if you're going to clean out their $5 zero stock
[0:15] <Twist> (one per customer)
[0:15] <infect> I was so jealous of people that got the $1 promotion pi zero
[0:15] <infect> a couple months ago
[0:16] <Twist> Is $4 an insurmountable hurdle for you?
[0:16] <infect> I don't like spending money
[0:16] <Twist> What I actually found with my zero is that it wasn't cost competitive with other boards given how many adapters you need
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[0:16] <infect> yeah that too
[0:16] <Twist> that W changes thigs a bit
[0:17] <Twist> even at $10
[0:17] <infect> you need to buy accessories
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[0:17] <infect> W just comes with bt and wifi right?
[0:17] <[ill]will> no bt i dont think
[0:17] <Twist> both, per https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/pi-zero-w/
[0:17] <infect> just wifi then?
[0:17] <infect> ah
[0:18] <[ill]will> oh crap i thought just wifi
[0:18] <[ill]will> a friend sent me one today who lives near a microcenter
[0:18] <infect> a W?
[0:18] <[ill]will> yea
[0:18] <infect> nice
[0:18] <infect> what do you plan on doing with it
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[0:19] <Twist> So if you can preconfigure your SD card to join your wifi network.. you can install them headless
[0:19] <[ill]will> https://youtu.be/YWlZ3B_hq_g
[0:19] <infect> what is is the point of headless
[0:19] <infect> just wondering
[0:19] <[ill]will> mini computer with slide out keyboard
[0:19] <[ill]will> thats why im trying to source a cheap touchscreen
[0:20] <infect> ah, I've seen that! It sounds like an awesome plan, [ill]will
[0:20] <[ill]will> i dont want to pay 45$ at adafruit
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[0:20] <Twist> infect: I'm into home automation crap among other things.. as a for instance, my home lighting control sensor nodes don't need a monitor
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[0:21] <[ill]will> i still gotta finish my home automation project
[0:21] <infect> oh, I guess it would make sense for stuff like that
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[0:21] <jancoow> lol
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[0:21] <jancoow> I think like 90% of my pi's are headless
[0:21] <Twist> They don't need a pi either, though.. a wemos d1 mini fits the bill nicely.
[0:21] <Twist> The Pi that controls my printer is another exampke
[0:22] <[ill]will> i just got a wemos mini, i made that wifi deauther
[0:22] <Twist> A W would be great for that.. much easier to tuck away inside the printer chassis
[0:22] <[ill]will> hats where my next w is going, once i can get to microcenter
[0:23] <[ill]will> thats* my pi 3 is overkill for octoprint and a pi cam
[0:23] <Twist> guess I'm back to needing an OTG adapter for that though
[0:24] <Twist> Is there any intelligence in an OTG adapter? or can I desolder the USB port on the mini and just hard wire a cable to it?
[0:24] <Twist> er
[0:24] <Twist> on the zero
[0:24] <infect> I want a pi, but I have no idea what I would do with it
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[0:24] <Twist> http://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Zero-OTG-Hack-Add-a-Fullsize-Connecto/
[0:24] <Twist> that's the stuff
[0:25] <[ill]will> so far my pis, are home automation, mame arcade, octoprint, raspbx
[0:26] <[ill]will> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wva14j74LQ i like this design too , using pogo pins
[0:26] <Twist> infect: it's a reasonable question.. what would you do with a Pi that you couldn't accomplish by running a virtual machine on your existing laptop or desktop computer?
[0:26] <Twist> The answer for many is embedded use, or hardware interfaces.
[0:26] <infect> pretty much nothing
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[0:26] <infect> so
[0:26] <infect> ...
[0:26] <Twist> Then you get into the question of whether a microcontroller might be a better fit.
[0:27] <infect> microcontroller?
[0:27] <Twist> think arduino.
[0:27] <Twist> Or "extremely weak processor that can switch high currents"
[0:28] <infect> Well I had a reason for wanting a pi, but then it's a contradicting reason
[0:28] <infect> To use as a desktop or something, but I have a desktop and a laptop...
[0:28] <Twist> Can't "It's fun to learn new things" be enough motivation?
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[0:29] <infect> I don't know, I use my desktop for stuff like that
[0:29] <Twist> there is no shortage of project ideas out on the intergoogles if one takes the time to look
[0:29] <infect> Well I ended up selling my pi 3b
[0:30] <Twist> The major thing the Pi has going for it is the size of the community. You can more or less google "raspberry thing I want to do" and hit well written walkthroughs of said thing.
[0:30] <redrabbit> true
[0:31] <redrabbit> you feel the difference when you try other flavors of pi
[0:31] <infect> It always ends up costing a lot, though(or maybe that's because I'm poor)
[0:31] <redrabbit> you can get an orange pi zero for 10$ shipped
[0:31] <Twist> infect: are you in a major metro?
[0:32] <infect> metro?
[0:32] <Twist> metropolitan area
[0:32] <redrabbit> well the rpi0w costs 10$ as well but you have to add shipping
[0:32] <redrabbit> its not a high cost to start
[0:32] <Twist> infect: I'd suggest finding a nearby hackerspace if one exists
[0:33] <Twist> afk a bit
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[0:33] <infect> I dont think any are near me
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[0:34] <[ill]will> https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/List_of_ALL_Hacker_Spaces
[0:35] <[ill]will> https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/List_of_Hackerspaces has a map
[0:35] <infect> yeah none are near
[0:35] <[ill]will> start your own then
[0:36] <[ill]will> i ran one for 6 yrs
[0:37] <redrabbit> infect: order your stuff from aliexpress
[0:37] <redrabbit> its the cheapest
[0:37] <infect> I know
[0:37] <infect> I'm on a aliexpress channel in the other tab
[0:37] <infect> or something similar
[0:38] <redrabbit> #aliexpress here?
[0:38] <infect> no
[0:38] <infect> its a community based on buying cheap china stuff
[0:39] <redrabbit> i do that for electronics and a bit of glassware in the past
[0:39] <redrabbit> gimme the name ill take a look
[0:39] <infect> its not on freenode
[0:39] <redrabbit> i can connect on other networks
[0:39] <redrabbit> :p
[0:40] <infect> I'll pm hen
[0:40] <infect> then*
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[1:18] <swift110> hey all
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[3:39] <kaosine> man...I've got to stop looking at the adafruit website >_<
[3:40] <drjam> so much stuff to buy? so many projects to try?
[3:40] <kaosine> pretty much....I've been wanting to do rpi for years and I'm a little overwhelmed looking at the hats, plates and bonnets XD
[3:41] <drjam> yup, same
[3:41] <kaosine> and my wallet is like "you can't afford any of this"
[3:41] <drjam> ive got 5 pi3's now, and have managed ot do kodi
[3:41] <drjam> and some temp monitors
[3:41] <kaosine> I'm just wanting to do a somewhat crazy idea of making a portable system that actually reads the cartridges XD
[3:42] <kaosine> (possibly using the retrode adapters or custom made stuff(
[3:43] <kaosine> I already know a list of what I'd need, beyond trying to get a custom case to put it in XD
[3:45] <kaosine> that and maybe a second one as a cheap media server/nas XD
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[4:11] <kaosine> shouldn't be to terribly hard to do this http://pinouts.ru/visual/gen/CartridgeSnes.jpg to pi once I get to a point where I can afford to do so XD
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[5:03] <mattwj2002> halp! :)
[5:03] <mattwj2002> I need a good source for press fit raspberry pi 0 w headers
[5:03] <mattwj2002> press fit being the key
[5:07] <mattwj2002> nevermind found it
[5:07] <oq> press fit?
[5:07] <mattwj2002> how is everyone
[5:07] <mattwj2002> oq: yeah soldierless is another way to say it
[5:07] <oq> mattwj2002: I think pimoroni are the only ones who make them
[5:08] <oq> on adafruit they list pimoroni as the manufacturer
[5:08] <mattwj2002> oh okay
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[5:08] <mattwj2002> pimoroni was my only source that I found it
[5:08] <mattwj2002> :)
[5:08] <mattwj2002> I am in the US they are in Europe
[5:08] <mattwj2002> no biggy
[5:09] <mattwj2002> shipping just maybe high :)
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[5:19] <mattwj2002> oq: I found them from Pimoroni ~ 10 gbp
[5:19] <mattwj2002> shipped to the US
[5:20] <GamingX2005> Hi, I'm trying to SSH into my raspberry pi on my local network, but the operation seems to time out when I try to SSH using Putty into it. I'm able to VNC into it, just not SSH. I've already enabled the SSH server using raspi-config. Any pointers ?
[5:20] <mattwj2002> GamingX2005: reboot it?
[5:20] <mattwj2002> run updates too maybe
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[5:23] <GamingX2005> mattwj2002, no luck. Is there normally a firewall on the raspbian ?
[5:24] <mattwj2002> nope
[5:24] <mattwj2002> GamingX2005: you could try this too
[5:24] <mattwj2002> sudo apt-get update
[5:24] <mattwj2002> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[5:24] <mattwj2002> that should do it in raspbian
[5:26] <GamingX2005> Let me try that
[5:26] <mattwj2002> cool cool
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[5:27] <GamingX2005> It's already the latest version installed
[5:28] <GamingX2005> I wonder if my network router is blocking connections
[5:29] <oq> if you can vnc in it's unlikely it is
[5:30] <mattwj2002> GamingX2005: what about upgrading all your packages?
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[5:30] <mattwj2002> software bug?
[5:30] <mattwj2002> if want to try that do this
[5:30] <mattwj2002> sudo apt-get update
[5:31] <mattwj2002> sudo apt-get distro-upgrade
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[5:31] <mattwj2002> oohs
[5:31] <mattwj2002> sudo apt-get upgrade
[5:31] <mattwj2002> (10:31:06 PM) Matt: sudo apt-get distro-upgrade
[5:31] <mattwj2002> is not valid :)
[5:31] <mattwj2002> do the old after reboot if you try that
[5:31] <mattwj2002> sudo reboot
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[5:33] <GamingX2005> Trying to update everything, tried modifiying a couple of things with the router, but it doesn't seem to be the problem
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[5:38] <mattwj2002> GamingX2005: try this
[5:38] <mattwj2002> sudo service openssh-server restart
[5:38] <mattwj2002> or
[5:38] <mattwj2002> sudo service openssh-server stop
[5:38] <mattwj2002> sudo service openssh-server start
[5:42] <GamingX2005> This is weird. It says openssh-server.service not loaded when I try to stop it
[5:42] <GamingX2005> But when I try to install it, it says that it is already installed
[5:43] <mattwj2002> GamingX2005: try starting it
[5:43] <mattwj2002> :)
[5:44] <GamingX2005> I tried starting it as well, it says failed. openssh-server.service failed to load. No such file or direectory
[5:46] <mattwj2002> GamingX2005: do you know about tab complete?
[5:46] <mattwj2002> try this
[5:46] <mattwj2002> sudo service open and then hit the tab key
[5:46] <mattwj2002> maybe I have the exact service name wrong
[5:46] <GamingX2005> Yeah, I do. It doesn't auto-complete
[5:47] <mattwj2002> okay
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[5:47] <mattwj2002> sudo service sshd restart
[5:47] <mattwj2002> or
[5:47] <GamingX2005> Tried that, same error, haha
[5:47] <mattwj2002> sudo /etc/init.d/openssh-server restart
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[5:47] <mattwj2002> sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart
[5:47] <mattwj2002> any of that work?
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[5:48] <GamingX2005> Nope, the last one, command not found
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[5:49] <mattwj2002> GamingX2005: did you restart yet?
[5:49] <mattwj2002> socket all ready in use?
[5:49] <GamingX2005> Yeah, trying it again once more
[5:50] <mattwj2002> ok
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[6:17] <dbmonkey> Have they yet found a way to turn off the red led power light on a Pi 3?
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[6:21] <oq> put tape on it
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[6:41] <Sapio> lol. I used blue masking tape.
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[6:45] <Chillum> desolder it
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[8:32] <python476> hi
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[8:32] <python476> are buck converters stable enough for rpi usage ?
[8:32] <python476> http://www.ebay.com/itm/322464851991
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[8:37] <baldengineer> most usb ports are powered by a buck converter
[8:41] <python476> as in usb phone chargers ?
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[8:54] <baldengineer> sure.
[8:55] <baldengineer> the pi itself uses a buck regulator to buck down from 5 to 3.3v. well, 2b and higher
[8:55] <python476> Ha, I read linear converter
[8:55] <python476> ah sorry, didn't finish your sentence
[8:55] <python476> I only have b1 a+ and z
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[8:56] <python476> I'll see, for 1$ and a cap I can test
[8:56] <baldengineer> i'd be more worry about the quality of cheap chinese supply than its design
[8:58] <python476> even with that small amount of basic components they may be frail ?
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[9:07] <Emilio_> Hey does anyone know what might be causing an extremely slow network connection on my Pi? I normally get 20Mbps but I'm getting 20Kbps down or so on my wired connection
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[9:15] <mistralol> Emilio_: broken cable?
[9:15] <mistralol> Emilio_: loose cable?
[9:16] <Emilio_> I haven't moved/touched it but it couldn't hurt to check
[9:16] <mistralol> Emilio_: also some stats from netstat -s and ifconfig would help :>
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[9:16] <Emilio_> I can
[9:17] <Emilio_> I don't think I can copy paste because the speeds are so slow I can't SSH in
[9:17] <mistralol> Emilio_: also try some local ping and make sure the problem is local :)
[9:17] <Emilio_> and the Pi is running headless, is there soething specific that would help?
[9:17] <mistralol> ifconfig first
[9:17] <Emilio_> I can ping my Pi fine (sometimes 50% packet loss though)
[9:18] <mistralol> Emilio_: are any of the errors etc... non zero?
[9:18] <Emilio_> Sorry not sure what that means
[9:18] <python476> Emilio_: is USB used heavily ?
[9:18] <mistralol> in ifconfig
[9:18] <mistralol> RX packets:94328 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[9:18] <mistralol> should have something like that
[9:18] <Emilio_> Oh I see. RX Packets errors are 250
[9:19] <Emilio_> w/ 136 dropped
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[9:19] <python476> I don't know much, but Pi Eth shares USB bandwidth, so if USB is used a lot for other devices, ETH may suffer
[9:19] <mistralol> python476: yeah not likly by that much :)
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[9:20] <mistralol> python476: i certainly don't see issues like that with an ssd on an external usb for example
[9:20] <python476> what about temperature ? or the ethernet hub ?
[9:20] <mistralol> Emilio_: so you see rx drops etc...?
[9:20] <mistralol> Emilio_: try a different switch port :D
[9:21] <mistralol> Emilio_: also running dmesg may hint as to why they are being dropped
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[9:21] <python476> but he cant log in his pi
[9:21] <mistralol> Emilio_: dmesg |tail -30 or something to save bandwidth
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[9:26] <python476> bandwidth saved
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[9:27] <Emilio_> Alright so I guess my internet is just down in general now
[9:28] <Emilio_> I don't know if any of my messages sent when I was disconnected, bu I only see IPv6 errors from the dmesg command
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[9:32] <Emilio__> Alright scratch everything I've said. I should learn not to trust second hand electronics - my network switch was broken
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[9:33] <mistralol> Emilio__: did you try a different port or switch?
[9:33] <Emilio__> I did
[9:34] <Emilio__> but for some reason that cause every other dvice connected to the switch to lose internet access
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[9:34] <mistralol> probably voltage drop across the switch or somethingh
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[9:34] <Emilio__> So I connected my Pi directly to the incoming cable and my speeds went back to 25Mbps and I can SSH into it and everything
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[9:37] <mistralol> Emilio__: you can pickup quite good gbit siwtches cheap
[9:37] <koramas> hey, anybody familiar with the ircd-hybrid IRC server?
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[9:41] <Emilio__> mistralol: I'll look into getting another one. I'm just so happy I found the issue, I've spent hours trying to figure out what was wrong
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[9:42] <mistralol> Emilio__: its always 1 end or the other :>
[9:42] <mistralol> Emilio__: also sometimes switches fail auto negotiation with some devices
[9:43] <Emilio__> Yeah, but yesterday I didn't realize it was a slow connection, I thought it was an SSH issue haha
[9:43] <Emilio__> I tried updating some software today and saw the low speeds
[9:44] <Emilio__> Would you know how to troubleshoot a switch that's failing negotiations?
[9:44] <mistralol> yeah using ethtool
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[9:44] <mistralol> but normally on a managed switch only
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[9:45] <mistralol> Emilio__: you basically force both ends to the same speeds / duplex etc...
[9:45] <Emilio__> Ah I see. I think I might have to save that for another day seeing as it's almost 4 in the morning now though haha
[9:46] <mistralol> looking for honest opinions on this tutorial i put together :) https://www.stev.org/post/raspberrypisimplertspserver
[9:49] <Emilio__> I can't test it myself but it looks good! I had been planning on setting up my Pi Webcam, but I "bricked" the Pi I was going to use for it
[9:49] <Emilio__> Might have to use your guide haha
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[14:36] <aZz7eCh> i've installed all i need for LAMP off my pi ... is there some reason MYSQL server doesn't start with the rest of the pi on boot ? is this default behavior? I have to ssh in and run "sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start" before any of my vhosts can connect to their databases
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[14:41] <Azelphur> Hey folks, is there any good software for using the Pi Zero as an IP camera? I want it to be viewable in the web browser, I don't like motion because it uses mjpeg which is low framerate, I'd much prefer something that actually streams video using html5
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[14:45] <BurtyB> aZz7eCh, you probably want "systemctl enable mysql" in the systemd world
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[14:56] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[14:56] <ShapeShifter499> does a raspberry pi zero v1.3 still work as a FM transmitter?
[14:57] <mfa298> there's no reason that it can't splatter over all the bands in the same way as the other Pis
[14:58] <humbot> :P
[14:58] <ShapeShifter499> lol
[14:59] <ShapeShifter499> I must be doing something wrong, I'm not getting any audio, just a tone
[14:59] <ShapeShifter499> https://github.com/rm-hull/pifm is this not valid?
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[14:59] <ShapeShifter499> did something change?
[15:01] <mfa298> maybe read the first lines in the readme: - Note: this project is no longer maintained
[15:01] <ShapeShifter499> hmm
[15:01] <mfa298> also note that using the Pi in that way is almost certainly breaking local radio laws
[15:01] <ShapeShifter499> mfa298: really?
[15:01] <ShapeShifter499> to powerful?
[15:01] <ShapeShifter499> *too
[15:02] <mfa298> it's not designed as a radio transmitter and the way it generates the signals means there will be a lot of other unwanted signals as well
[15:05] <ShapeShifter499> mfa298: would a bandpass filter help any. Like the one here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuxNGWcftc8
[15:06] <mfa298> good suitably designed filters will help, but it's probably still not legal
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[15:07] <ShapeShifter499> mfa298: I don't know too much about radio. What makes it illegal exactly? Is it too powerful?
[15:07] <mfa298> generally for a radio transmitter to be legal is needs to be designed by someone competant for that purpose.
[15:07] <mfa298> exactly what's legal will depend on location.
[15:09] <mfa298> the way radio signals are generated on the Pi is a hack using one of the clock signals so isn't designed in any way.
[15:10] <ShapeShifter499> I wonder how fast someone would be at my door if I left it going
[15:11] <ShapeShifter499> "the hell you doing kid? to much interference from your place"
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[15:11] <ShapeShifter499> lol
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[15:11] <mfa298> depending on where you are if you've set the Pi to transmit around 100mhz (broadcast FM) then you're probably putting out some signals over bits of military/government/emergency services radio as well
[15:12] <mfa298> as to how quick, and what happens that would likely depend on what you're interferring with.
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[15:13] <mfa298> If you've taken out a runway at a major airport you could get the knock within hours (as I think has happened). If it's not affecting anyone it might take months/years for anything to happen.
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[15:13] <ShapeShifter499> mfa298: I was attempting to hit something around 87.1 and 89mhz, going off the fact the AA powered transmitter for the car works fine at about that range
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[15:14] <ShapeShifter499> it's off now, I ran it for a few seconds at a time but I only get tones so I'm guessing code changed and no one wants to update what's already online because of those radio laws
[15:15] <mfa298> I tihnk there are a few projects doing updated versions of that code.
[15:15] <ShapeShifter499> mfa298: I didn't think 5v would have been enough to take down anything
[15:16] <mfa298> and if you're suitably knowledgeable and licensed you can potentially use it in a legal way on some radio bands.
[15:17] <ShapeShifter499> I know for a fact most emergency radio is now digital trunked and require special hardware because my dinky usb dtv can't pick it up
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> the issue is that that's right in the middle of broadcase radio frequencies in most countries - a range that requires a license to Tx on. The tiny transmitters to hook stuff up to the car radio get away with it due to their ultra low output power - technically still illegal without a license. You have no power control over the Pi output ... it's not tiny and not very well tuned. Generally a bad idea.
[15:17] <ShapeShifter499> In my area that is
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> so I'd suggest it's of academic interest, but no more than that.
[15:18] <mfa298> just because they're using a transmission you can't decode doesn't mean you can't interferre with it.
[15:18] <ShapeShifter499> ah right
[15:19] <mfa298> In the UK the radio transmitters for use in the car are only legal if the power is something like 50nW (yes, nano) and they'll have been designed not to have nasty harmonics all over the place.
[15:21] <mfa298> AIUI the Pi transmitter hacks are using a modulated square wave where you want a modulated sinewave which means lots of nasty harmonics. So if it's set to 100MHz there's also a strong signal on 300Mhz and variosu other places
[15:22] <ShapeShifter499> has there been any confirmed cases of a Rapsberry Pi causing too much interference in this manner?
[15:22] <ShapeShifter499> Raspberry*
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[15:23] <gordonDrogon> there have been reports of people being able to hear it on their radio 2 streets away - so that powerful enough to cause interference all over the place. Get some noise in the 118Mhz+ range and you start to interfere with air traffic - that 'won't go down well.
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> really don't do it.
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[15:24] <ShapeShifter499> yeesh
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[15:26] <ShapeShifter499> so is there anyway I might accidentally trigger interference doing other pi projects?
[15:26] <aZz7eCh> BurtyB ... i ended up simply running the command as you quoted when I couldn't really find the reason why it would make it work. its made it work...
[15:26] <ShapeShifter499> as long as I'm not messing with clock signals?
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> highly unlikely.
[15:27] <HrdwrBoB> ShapeShifter499: I know for a fact emergency services radio in our area for fire services is analog
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[15:27] <HrdwrBoB> ShapeShifter499: but with digital capable radios
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> it's also hard to accidentlaly write to the clock control registers without the magic super secret password.
[15:27] <HrdwrBoB> which are far less capable than the old analog radios at analog
[15:27] <HrdwrBoB> until it gets switched over to digital
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> however, 2 commands with the gpio program and off you go ...
[15:27] <HrdwrBoB> so the range for communication on the fireground is terrible
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[15:28] <gordonDrogon> although right now it can only set a clock pin to a max. of 19.2Mhz.
[15:30] <ShapeShifter499> hmm alright
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[15:34] <ShapeShifter499> mfa298: gordonDrogon so if this is so nosy and powerful to the point of possibly knocking services out in an area, why did the flip did "Make" feature it?
[15:34] <ShapeShifter499> http://makezine.com/projects/pirate-radio-throwies/
[15:35] <ShapeShifter499> also their design looks too much like an explosive, what were they thinking?
[15:35] <ShapeShifter499> *noisy
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[15:38] <gordonDrogon> they printed it to sell copy.
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> haha.. looking nothing like an explosive ..... to anyone buy a TSA agent ...
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> s/buy/but/
[15:40] <mfa298> it also takes some radio knowledge / advanced maths to really understand how bad it can be in terms of being noisy.
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[15:41] <gordonDrogon> now this: https://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20170329_191616.jpg much more like it ;-)
[15:41] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: "they printed it to sell copy." sorry?
[15:41] <gordonDrogon> Make is a magazine - the sell paper and digital copies and charge money for it. like most subscription magazines do.
[15:42] * gordonDrogon sighs. millenials.
[15:42] <mfa298> running the likes of PiFM into a dummy load to try it out on a desk might be fine, trying to use it to actually broadcast radio signals over any distance is when the problems come
[15:43] <mfa298> although as it's a hack, knowing what makes a suitable dummy load becomes more challenging. I doubt the gpio is acting like a normal 50ohm source.
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[15:49] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: I know Make. Question is, this article made it to print?
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[15:51] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea and I don't really care. I stopped paying for Make a good number of years ago.
[15:51] <ShapeShifter499> lol, I see
[15:52] <ShapeShifter499> whelp, thanks for all the helpful knowledge guys
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> let us know how you get on making it ..
[15:53] <ShapeShifter499> I'm throwing the idea out and desoldering the wire I attached
[15:55] <ShapeShifter499> might be a better idea to feed audio from the Pi to a car fm transmitter if I want that sort of wireless transmission
[15:56] <ShapeShifter499> I know more about the software then I do about radio or hardware at this point
[15:57] <kaosine> well not pi related but I just programmed my calculator for herron's formula XD
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> herrons? (or Herons - triangle area?)
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> or maybe I ought to be impressed that programmable calculators are still a thing :-)
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[16:02] <gordonDrogon> I ought to get some batteries for my PC1211.
[16:03] <kaosine> gordonDrogon: schools still use ti's and I never upgraded past my ti-84 silver I got like 6 years ago I think?
[16:04] * kaosine just needs to get a pi, breadboard and start proto-ing his portable he wants to make XD
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[16:05] <gordonDrogon> intersting. not sure UK schools ever used programmable calcs.
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[16:05] <kaosine> They might not say it directly but if they're graphing calcs like the ti's they probably allow for it somehow :P
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[16:06] <gordonDrogon> I got a Casio fx501p when I left school - it was good for some of the numerical analysis we were doing at the time.
[16:06] <kaosine> Also really simple on ti's considering it's a modified basic meant solely for their calcs
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> maybe physics/EEE at university might have a use for them...
[16:07] <kaosine> Eh I'm in pre-calc trig and about to go into calc in the fall
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> what age if you don't mind me asking? I can never work out when school stops & uni starts if not in the UK.
[16:08] <kaosine> 22 now, graduated when I was 17....essay classes are not my fortay if you catch my drift XD
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> 2 nations separated by a common language...
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[16:09] <gordonDrogon> graduation is typically leaving university in the UK.
[16:09] <kaosine> well you guys used to basically own us anyways :P
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[16:09] <gordonDrogon> yea, until you decided our tea wasn't good enough, or something. go drink coffee is what I say ;-)
[16:10] <kaosine> overtaxing.....we weren't earning that much money back then so when taxes were jacked up it pissed a lot of people off
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> I know - I took the tour when I was living in Boston - 20 years ago... I lived in concord, MA for some time too...
[16:11] <kaosine> I mean the taxes were lower than what you guys were paying but equivalently we weren't making much off of what we were shipping back(we're going over this in my world history II class right now and it's more than I remember before XD)
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[16:12] <kaosine> (didn't mean for that discussion to go that way...whoops)
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[16:15] <kaosine> I know someone suggested this https://github.com/sanni/cartreader but isn't there a pi version of it? I'm really wanting to make my own slot in SNES/Genesis connectors so I can make a portable eventually(I've gotto stop adding projects to my self but this seems cheaper than building my freedos computer right now XD)
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[16:19] <gordonDrogon> the issue us the number of signals required.
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> more than a Pi has, so you'll need some sort of gpio expanders(s). e.g. mcp23017 - which gives you 16 more.
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> (per chip - you can have several of them)
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[16:21] <kaosine> makes sense I guess....it's just the whole theory behind this is: I don't want to take all my systems up there(and risk they be lost or stolen), I hate my retron5, and I've been tinkering with the idea of getting a raspberry pi or two XD
[16:21] <Rickta59> how did that feel, being a brit in concord? gordonDrogon
[16:23] <Rickta59> i never thought that much about brits as a child growing up near concord
[16:23] <kaosine> gordonDrogon: wait, even if I mange to use a 3 b+?
[16:23] <Rickta59> not as in condescending .. but just didn't think about it
[16:23] <Rickta59> kind of not thinking about southerners and the civil war
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[16:24] <kaosine> Rickta59: eh the north seems to hate us down here still....they keep wanting to move down here and turn it into the north with how the cities are upgrading >_>
[16:24] <Rickta59> i live in the mid south now .. i moved here because there is nothing
[16:25] <Rickta59> the people i see trying to change stuff are the 'good ole boys'
[16:25] * kaosine would rather live in a small town if I could since mine is growing way too big
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[16:30] <gordonDrogon> Rickta59, no issues. they sold sam adams boston lager in the old colonial inn, which was acceptible.
[16:31] <Rickta59> ah .. so it was semi recently ; )
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> Rickta59, 20 years ago.
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> kaosine, hm. not sure there. I do remember someone here trying it a while back (I think). needed 16 address + 8 data lines + some strobes, etc. ...
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[16:37] <kaosine> gordonDrogon: huh, wish I could know who that was and ask them....I mean I don't think anyone wants to carry around a retrode with the pi if you're going to make it portable XD
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> might have been ShorTie ...
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> can't you just copy the carts. to an SD card then load the images into the Pi?
[16:38] <kaosine> yeah, but where's the fun in that? I like using the real things :P
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> so you can keep the carts. safe & secure at home...
[16:40] <kaosine> I could easily go the route of retro duo but those don't havea translation patch system of any sort >_>
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[16:40] <gordonDrogon> if only I knew what that meant ... not really something I'm into...
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[16:42] <kaosine> gordonDrogon: this https://www.amazon.com/Retro-Bit-RDP-Portable-Nintendo-Entertainment-System/dp/B009SE735Y but yeah doesn't exactly offer a way to patch foreign games that I've imported XD
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[16:59] <kaosine> ShorTie: so were you the one trying to input snes into this? (I want to do the same but hopefully add the ability of using retrode-type plugins into a portable doing this)
[17:00] <thpar> Hi all! Anyone experience with the Adafruit 7-segment display? I got it working nicely on a Pi 3, using it from Python3, but just now it stopped working: "RuntimeError: Could not determine default I2C bus for platform."
[17:00] <thpar> Either it's a hardware thing, or it's related to the update I ran
[17:01] <thpar> But on a tight schedule here, so anyone with an idea where to start looking: I'd be really grateful
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> thpar, can you see it with i2cdetect?
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[17:03] <gordonDrogon> ie. sudo i2cdetect -y 1
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[17:05] <thpar> gordonDrogon: I believe I do (although I don't understand the output): I get '70' on 0/70
[17:05] <thpar> where it's a '0' when I pull the cables
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> if the device in your program is 0x70 then you can see the device on the I2C bus.
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> which is generally good.
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[17:13] <thpar> gordonDrogon: yes, that seems ok. Messing around with the cables either gives all zero's or this 0x70
[17:13] <thpar> which would mean hardware is still ok?
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[17:15] <gordonDrogon> it means that the Pi can detect the device on the I2C bus.
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> it's software after that ...
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> what did you update? the kernel or system in-general?
[17:16] <ShapeShifter499> ok well.... I had to get it working at least once. I did
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[17:17] <ShapeShifter499> it was cool for all of 10 seconds and then I shut it off. Not worth knocking some critical services out by mistake
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> and the quality?
[17:17] <thpar> gordonDrogon: I was trying to get wireless working (failed), so I did a `dnf update` and general Pi update
[17:18] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: surprisingly good, volume was a bit low but I'd consider using it if it weren't for all the other frequencies I'd bump
[17:18] <thpar> (`rpi-update`)
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> thpar, sorry - i've no idea what dnf is.
[17:19] <thpar> gordonDrogon: oh, the latest 'yum' (RedHat/Fedora/... package manager)
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[17:20] <gordonDrogon> thpar, oh, well, good luck there then. as for rpi-update - again, that's for bleeding edge kernels. not something I'm personally keen on.
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> can you go back to the last table kernel?
[17:20] <thpar> gordonDrogon: that doesn't sound very encouraging. Thanks for the help anyway!
[17:20] <thpar> I might... checking that... but not too sure how
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> you're probably one of 3 people running something other than noobs/raspbian though - support might be limited...
[17:21] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: I didn't run it long enough to really get a good ear for it though
[17:21] <thpar> gordonDrogon: would be good to meet the other two then
[17:21] <thpar> gordonDrogon: minimal Fedora install here.
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[17:22] <gordonDrogon> well out of 13 millions Pi's, you never know ;-)
[17:22] <ShapeShifter499> now to go burn my sd card, desolder the wire, and flush my history of "pi fm" related search history :p
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[17:22] <gordonDrogon> seriously though - you really are in a minority, so support might be tricky. raspbian/noobs is the 99.999% install...
[17:23] <thpar> gordonDrogon: right. Maybe I should just put this SD card aside and quickly go for a clean Raspbian install.
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> thpar, notmally in the raspbian world, apt-get update/upgrade will pull a new stable kernel when the foundation kernel warblers are ready to release it. 4.4 is still their stable one and 4.9 is in testing, but there may yet be issues with it.
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[17:24] <gordonDrogon> it's tricky if you've been using Rh/Fedora for the past 15 years though.
[17:25] <ShapeShifter499> is there any non-standard hardware on the Raspberry Pis? Anything that upstream Linux arm kernel can't use?
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[17:27] <gordonDrogon> ShapeShifter499, no idea. you'd probably be better off asking in more kernel related areas I suspect.
[17:27] <ShapeShifter499> I was considering running Arch Arm Linux
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> Arch was minorly popular a while back.
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> if you can get it with a foundation 4.4 kernel then there's no reason it won't work.
[17:28] <mfa298> ShapeShifter499: I think there's soem stuff in the raspberrypi kernel that's not in mainline, although the list of differences is shrinking
[17:29] <thpar> gordonDrogon: indeed 15 years of Fedora... and the kernel on my install is now indeed Linux localhost 4.9.17-v7+
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[17:30] <funabashi> hi guys, which dist is "best" ?
[17:31] <ShapeShifter499> The one major advantage of these sort of arm boards, if something software wise goes wrong just swap out the sd card
[17:32] <ShapeShifter499> I have a couple of small plug computers that I screwed up flashing. A Pogoplug and a Dockstar They might be revived if I get a serial connector, but I don't really have to worry here.
[17:36] <ShapeShifter499> hmm the pi zero is not listed on arch arm linux's site
[17:37] <leftyfb> funabashi: the one that suits your personal needs, preferences and requirements the best
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[17:37] <gordonDrogon> thpar, yea, Debian since more or less day 1 of Debian here, so I understand the issues.
[17:38] <mfa298> ShapeShifter499: not all distributions support the arm6 chip in the Pi1/zero
[17:38] <leftyfb> funabashi: though if you're asking, I'd say stick with Raspbian.
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> funabashi, raspbian has the most/best support.
[17:38] <ShapeShifter499> mfa298: looks like they do support it
[17:38] <ShapeShifter499> https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi
[17:39] <ShapeShifter499> or am I missing something?
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[17:40] <ShapeShifter499> meh I'll try it, if it crashes and burns then I'll swap out for debian
[17:40] <ShapeShifter499> I'm most comfortable with ubuntu/debian or arch linux
[17:41] <ShapeShifter499> well I guess raspbian as it's called here
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[17:44] <ShapeShifter499> Are there any plans to release another Raspberry Pi Zero with more ram?
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> not that we know of.
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> I've a funny feeling the SoC doesn't support any more RAM but I might be wrong there.
[17:47] <ShapeShifter499> I'd love to see 1gb on the form factor
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> it's also good to keep it low power though. Lots of people are liking the low power aspect of it.
[17:47] <redrabbit> what is filling the 512mb on yours ?
[17:48] <mfa298> like gordonDrogon I'm pretty sure there's something (hardware bug perhaps) that limits that SoC to 512Mb
[17:49] <ShapeShifter499> I could be wrong but it could help out with some emulators, maybe native compiling, etc.
[17:49] <ShapeShifter499> mfa298: ah
[17:49] <redrabbit> 512mb is plenty if you consider the processing power available
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> mfa298, I think it was the pins brought out on the die or something - as it's the same SoC as the Pi v1, & b+. I'd need to dig through old archives, however someone else can do that ;-)
[17:50] <mfa298> once the Pi3 Soc get's cheap enough then there might be a Zero with more ram, although hitting that $5 price point is probably going to be a challenge for a while
[17:50] <redrabbit> bare bone system uses 10% of that ram
[17:50] <redrabbit> there's space to play
[17:50] <ShapeShifter499> I'm just talking out of my ass on the 1gb ram thing.... going off my experience with low powered arm boards
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> and here I am playing with a system with 2KB of RAM ...
[17:51] <redrabbit> i have boards with 256mb and they dont feel limited
[17:51] <mfa298> for compiling you can always add swap, or use a better speced board to do the compile on.
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> at the moment I have 1400 bytes free, so plenty of room for more "stuff" ...
[17:52] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: 2KB?!
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> I compiled the full LAMPy thing on the first Pi v1 I got. It didn't swap. It did take 10 hours though.
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> ShapeShifter499, yes. 2K. Although some of that is used for the CPUs registers though.
[17:52] <ShapeShifter499> I'm not skilled enough as a computer guy to work on anything less than 256mb
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[17:53] <mfa298> working on microcontrollers with limited ram does make for interesting coding. You start thinking about what you're code is really doing
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> ShapeShifter499, consider this for a moment... Who are the people who write code for microwave oven controllers that have less RAM?
[17:54] <ShapeShifter499> um
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[17:55] <gordonDrogon> all those espresso machines in coffee shops have less RAM...
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> kitchen timers.
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> just making you think :)
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[18:00] <Chillum> I am learning to use the attiny10
[18:00] <Chillum> 30 bytes ram
[18:00] <Chillum> bytes, not kb
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> excellent.
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[18:01] <Chillum> still waiting on them, but should be an interesting exercise in memory management
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> and assembly language coding :)
[18:01] <Chillum> need to build a programmer
[18:01] <Chillum> yes, most likely
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> I rarely do any assembler these days. lost too many braincells to it over the years. I think it was the i860 that finally did me in...
[18:03] <Chillum> I think I can manage it in c give how simple my task is, I have never used assembly even though I have been looking at it since I was a kid
[18:03] <Chillum> all I need to do is read a voltage from the analog in and set a pwm frequency in response
[18:03] <Chillum> it will be a current controlled fan controller that reads the voltage drop over a shunt(through an amplifier) and spins a fan accordingly
[18:04] <Chillum> It could probably be done with a 555 timer and a skilled person
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> I get the 555 + components cost more ...
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> *bet
[18:05] <thpar> gordonDrogon: aparently rpi-update also can downgrade to a specific commit! Back at 4.4.50, things are running as they should. *sigh of relieve*
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> thpar, ah, grand!
[18:07] <ShapeShifter499> I should go back to school to learn all of this better
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[18:08] <Lartza> Is raspbian still on 4.4 kernels and not the 4.9?
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> yes, 4.4
[18:11] <Lartza> :S
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[18:11] <gordonDrogon> I don't think it's a big deal for 99.999% of the users though.
[18:12] <Lartza> Yeah probably not
[18:12] <Lartza> I think 4.9 is the one being developed in the foundation kernel repo now though
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> yes - it's the one you'll get with rpi-update.
[18:12] <Lartza> And if it's available through rpi-update I guess it's going to be out at some point
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> it's been there for some time - I got a 4.8 last December to 'fix' some things in wiringPi in anticipation of 4.9
[18:13] <Lartza> Arch ARM switched to 4.9 a while ago and it has worked fine but I don't even use a monitor with my Pi most of the time :P
[18:15] <ShapeShifter499> well I'm going to head off.
[18:15] <ShapeShifter499> take care guys
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[19:10] <funabashi> anyone got issue with installing teamviewer.deb ?
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[19:12] <Lartza> funabashi, You can't
[19:12] <Lartza> On an rpi
[19:13] <Lartza> Except https://pages.teamviewer.com/published/raspberrypi/ it seems
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[19:16] <funabashi> oh to bad
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[19:20] <redrabbit> is it a bad idea to use magnets around a rpi ?
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[19:21] <redrabbit> like put some in the case so it stays in place without extras
[19:21] <redrabbit> sd card should be magnet proof
[19:22] <Lartza> Should be fine
[19:22] <Lartza> Just don't use an USB HDD close to it :P
[19:22] <redrabbit> is it a problem for battery cells ?
[19:23] <redrabbit> i dont have any magnetic storage exept in my nas
[19:23] <Lartza> Shouldn't
[19:23] <redrabbit> i guess ssds are also magnet proof
[19:23] <Lartza> Should be
[19:24] <Lartza> Only a very very strong magnetic field has any chance to mess up with the SoC of the Pi, and something moderately strong might mess up with something if there's anything magnetic on the board but I don't think there is really...
[19:24] <redrabbit> cool, magnet mounting should be good then
[19:24] <Lartza> Seems like the ethernret connector might, but even then it probably will be fine
[19:24] <redrabbit> this is gonna be handy to put together different modules in different cases in 1 block
[19:25] <redrabbit> i make like a pack with the rpi3 and an orange pi zero, atm i use glue pads
[19:26] <redrabbit> magnets would make this quicker and less messy
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[19:28] <funabashi> guys is RPi so slow? i mean laging with youtube and delays when i write in chrome browswer... etc
[19:29] <Lartza> funabashi, Chrome is heavy
[19:29] <Lartza> youtube is even heavier with chrome since it doesn't use hardware acceleration
[19:29] <NedScott> once, I dropped some crhome on my foot, and it hurt
[19:29] <NedScott> crhome/chrome
[19:30] <oq> NedScott: I once dropped some foot on my chrome and I didn't feel it at all
[19:31] <NedScott> nice
[19:31] <funabashi> oh
[19:32] <funabashi> didnt know
[19:32] <funabashi> any other browser
[19:32] <funabashi> chrome works pretty well on my old iphone etc
[19:32] <oq> lol
[19:32] <oq> the chrome on your iphone is written with the iphone in mind
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> chrome on your old iphone is optimised to use hardware graphics.
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> on the pi, it isn't.
[19:32] <funabashi> what browser can i use ?
[19:32] <oq> the raspberry pi is a a mobile phone soc trying to run a full desktop os
[19:33] <funabashi> yeah i bought it was htpc, youtube + surf at the tv
[19:33] <redrabbit> chromium is better
[19:33] <funabashi> but its slower than i thought
[19:33] <funabashi> chromium it was
[19:33] <redrabbit> do you run pixel ?
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> oq, hacktually ... from what I gather it's a set-top-box SoC trying to run a full desktop os. AIUI, that's why it's lacking in a lot of the low-power stuff. The actual ARM part might be generic though.
[19:33] <redrabbit> maybe you need to review your expectations then
[19:34] <redrabbit> dont run too much stuff at the same time
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> however whatever it was originally intended for, it's now way surpassed that...
[19:34] <funabashi> yes pixel
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[19:34] <redrabbit> on a rpi3 N
[19:34] <redrabbit> ?
[19:34] <funabashi> rpi 3 b
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> funabashi, I run Kodi on a Pi v3 and it seems just fine for that - youtube, 1080p videos, HD TV an stuff.
[19:35] <redrabbit> as long as you dont go on heavy sites it runs fine imo
[19:35] <funabashi> kodi is just a program/tool no?
[19:35] <Lartza> funabashi, RPi is NOT a htpc
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> Kodi is just a program, yes.
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> however,
[19:35] <Lartza> In any shape or form really
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> it's a large suite of programs that do set-top-box type of stuff.
[19:36] <funabashi> i thought i need a intel nuc
[19:36] <redrabbit> yea i was about to suggest a nuc
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> the Pi can be used as a desktop, and some do use it as such, but you just need a little bit of patience.
[19:36] <oq> x86 > *
[19:36] <redrabbit> there's also the Z3735
[19:36] <funabashi> but its super slow
[19:36] <funabashi> surfing etc
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> I still use my old Atom Acer Aspire One - with 1GB of RAM and it's about on-par with the Pi.
[19:37] <redrabbit> if you want something powerful build a tower
[19:37] <Lartza> funabashi, You're just using heavy desktop software that has zero optimization for the pi
[19:37] <funabashi> how can i optimize ?
[19:37] <redrabbit> run stuff that use the hardware decoder
[19:37] <Lartza> By using another software and researching the facts like, Chrome not using hardware acceleration for youtube on the Pi
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[19:39] <funabashi> ok
[19:40] <mnemonic> archlinux-ARM is faster than raspbian?
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> if it is, it would only be by a percent or 2.
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[19:41] <gordonDrogon> hm. maybe if they compile it specially for the v3 it might.
[19:41] <mnemonic> and what of two have more apps in repository available?
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> raspbian is compiled to run over all Pi's.
[19:41] <Lartza> Alarm does have an aarch64 but it may or may not support all the Pi hardware
[19:42] <Lartza> In either case the difference should be neglible
[19:42] <mnemonic> i will start with rpi3 this month
[19:42] <Lartza> Just like running Gentoo vs any other distro on your desktop
[19:42] <Lartza> Just use what distro you like and are comfortable with, I use Arch ARM because I love Arch :)
[19:42] <mnemonic> i was checking about aarch64, they talked about it isn´t 100% functional
[19:43] <Lartza> I think nowadays it's fairly functional
[19:43] <Lartza> Easy to test and swap out if it isn't
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[19:43] <mnemonic> aarch64 could be nice
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> why do you think this?
[19:44] <mnemonic> because for sure 64 bits is faster than 32
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> not always.
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[19:45] <gordonDrogon> some code is bigger, so takes longer to fetch from memory...
[19:45] <Lartza> mnemonic, With so low base knowledge, stop worrying about aarch64 vs armv7, no offense
[19:46] <Lartza> Bits don't make you faster, bits can be just zeroes
[19:46] <mnemonic> indeed
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[19:46] <gordonDrogon> doing lots of scientific stuff/number crunching might give you an advantage, but the Pi isn't exactly the PC for that stuff anyway.
[19:47] <NedScott> isn't all processing technically number crunching?
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[19:47] <RukusX7> i gots all the bits over here anyway
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[19:48] <NedScott> chicks dig bits
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=152471
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> worth a read about 32 vs 64.
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> NedScott, it depends on what you're doing - if moving a lot of double precision numbers - they're 64-bit which may be faster to load from a 64-bit wide memory system than 2 cycles of a 32-bit one...
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[19:51] <gordonDrogon> a-ha. this is a good one today: http://toolstop-online.com/1HQ5-4UN25-5EOPNR3SCF/cr.aspx
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[19:53] <mnemonic> gordonDrogon: yeah, indeed 32bit seem to be the best choice
[19:53] <Lartza> The funny thing is, box like that could pretty much work with current technology :)
[19:53] <Lartza> So it's the perfect joke
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> right. Pi oven controller test - I need to bake something for 12-15 hours, so lets hope it works :)
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[19:55] <gordonDrogon> actually, current uptime is 79 days and it's used for an hour or 2 5 days a week, so I don't really anticipate any issues...
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[19:56] <brainzap> what about the camera that posts pictures of the in progress to instagram?
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[19:56] <oq> Lartza: it looks like a simplier version of boston dynamics' dog thing
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[20:08] <Psi-Jack> Yay. Got my components today. The Particle Photon, HiLetgo NodeMCU LUA ESP8266, and Adafruit HUZZAH, which I have to solder the pins on to use on the breadboard. heh
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[20:11] <Rickta59> hah! he got me
[20:11] <Rickta59> raspberry pi 4 ... what am i thinking .. not april 1st
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[20:12] <Rickta59> snapdragon 810 .. yeah right
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[20:12] <Rickta59> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfVKhpzM0_s
[20:12] <Psi-Jack> heh
[20:13] <Psi-Jack> I know, kind of ironic that all my new goody toys on April 1st. :)
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[20:14] <brainzap> I just hope it comes with the power supply, and dedicated network chip
[20:15] <Psi-Jack> Rickta59: Heh, though that board looked more like an odroid.
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[20:24] <Psi-Jack> Heh, it's funny that the Photon SSID I got on my first Photon was Photon-MAKE. :)
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[20:27] <sponge-tmp> hi
[20:28] <sponge-tmp> i'd like to use my raspberry as a playable device for spotify. but somehow the key library is deprecated... any ideas how to still get it working?
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[20:29] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Just get an Amazon Echo which has that natively supported, and is about the same price as a Pi?
[20:31] <sponge-tmp> hmm..
[20:31] <sponge-tmp> but i already got a pie :) why not use that one
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[20:31] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Well, because you'll have problems. Spotify on Linux is commonly not supported and broken or breaking. It will be a PITA to maintain it.
[20:32] <Psi-Jack> And, you don't even get voice command to tell it to play what music you want. :)
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[20:33] <sponge-tmp> hehe. i dont need voice commands (yet). spotify is running on my linux mint pretty good. but i cant install the client on the raspberry (i guess because of ARM chip)
[20:33] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, well, that's annoying. My RPi3 somehow isn't on the WiFi anymore. Grrr
[20:34] <sponge-tmp> brb, afk
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[20:37] <Psi-Jack> Oooh nice, The new HDMI to VGA adapter I got works WAY better than the other one I had. I had a j5create, replaced it with a Rankie, and it just syncs better to the VGA autosync.
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[20:44] <sockofleas> im having an issue running a cronjob
[20:45] <sockofleas> i execute the cronjob, which is a python3 command, at reboot
[20:45] <sockofleas> the command shows up in the syslog, so cronjob is definitely running it
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[20:45] <sockofleas> but nothing prints to my log files
[20:45] <sockofleas> and when i look at ps aux, the process is definitely not there
[20:46] <sockofleas> the weird thing is that i have other, identically written cronjob commands (but for different files) that work perfectly
[20:46] <sockofleas> also, the cronjob is supposed to run in the background (forever)
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[20:46] <sockofleas> and when i run it in the terminal like usual, it works just fine, printing to screen and logging and all.
[20:46] <sockofleas> any ideas?
[20:47] <Psi-Jack> sockofleas: Stop using cronjobs to run services. Use systemd service units.
[20:48] <sockofleas> can you clarify that?
[20:48] <Psi-Jack> That IS clarified.
[20:48] <sockofleas> what is a systemd service unit
[20:48] <Psi-Jack> systemd is the init system on most distros these days, including Raspbian. It's what starts and stops services.
[20:49] <Psi-Jack> Custom systemd service units usually go in /etc/systemd/system. System-wide units are usually in /usr/lib/systemd/system/*.service, so you can use those as a reference, then google systemd.service for documentation.
[20:49] <Psi-Jack> It's literally as easy as editing an INI file to make service units. :)
[20:53] <sockofleas> Psi-Jack: can you link me a guide to learn how to set this up?
[20:53] <sockofleas> also, why exactly is it bad to use cronjob?
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> not all Raspbians have systemd.
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> sockofleas, if might be better off launching it from /etc/rc.local than cron though - if you want to be traditional about it.
[20:54] <Psi-Jack> Well, Raspbian Jessie does, because it's based on Debian Jessie, which Debian Jessie comes with systemd.
[20:54] <Psi-Jack> sockofleas: Because that's not what cron is for.
[20:54] <brianx> is there a current variant of raspbian that doesn't?
[20:54] <Psi-Jack> cron is to run scheduled chronological tasks. Not services, especially long-running ones.
[20:54] <sockofleas> ok
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> gordon@raspberrypi:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> 8.0
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> gordon@raspberrypi:~$ ps ax | grep systemd
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> 11364 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep systemd
[20:55] <Psi-Jack> And..... systemd has journald so you can see your logs. ;)
[20:55] <Psi-Jack> gordonDrogon: Your running an old raspbian.
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> No.
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> that's jessie.
[20:55] <sockofleas> mine also says debian 8
[20:55] <Psi-Jack> OKay, than you intentionally stupidly removed systemd. :p
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[20:56] <gordonDrogon> I intentionally removed it. Why are you calling me stupid?
[20:56] <Rickta59> not everyone loves systemd
[20:56] <brianx> gordonDrogon: and what did you do to get a jessie without systemd?
[20:56] <Psi-Jack> I didn't call YOU stupid, just the action was stupid.
[20:56] <Psi-Jack> Note the difference. :)
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> no.
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> I take it as a personal offence.
[20:56] <Psi-Jack> Then you should. If that's how you feel. :)
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> brianx, I do this on all my systems: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation
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[20:57] <gordonDrogon> Psi-Jack, so you're saying I should not have a choice?
[20:57] <Psi-Jack> But, I didn't call the person stupid, just the act of removing systemd was stupid, in my opinion, personal and professional.
[20:57] <brianx> so all current raspbian come with systemd, but it is possible to remove it. the OP does not seem likely to have done that.
[20:57] <sockofleas> can someone just tell me how to set this up please
[20:57] <Psi-Jack> sockofleas: I already have.
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> sockofleas, easy way: put the start commands in /etc/rc.local and use full paths.
[20:58] <brianx> sockofleas: Psi-Jack's recommendation is the better one.
[20:58] <sockofleas> can you give me a link to a setup guide
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> only better if you use systemd. Not everyone uses systemd.
[20:58] <brianx> sockofleas: it matches the current and near future plans for debian better.
[20:59] <Psi-Jack> sockofleas: It'll take you all of 5 minutes to take a look at /usr/lib/systemd/system at many of the .service files there, copy one to /etc/systemd/system/yourname.service, modify it, systemctl daemon-reload, and systemctl start|stop|enable yourname.service
[20:59] <Rickta59> http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2015/10/how-to-autorun-a-python-script-on-boot-using-systemd/ sockofleas
[20:59] <sockofleas> thank you Rickta59
[20:59] <Rickta59> btw i just googled that
[20:59] <Rickta59> "raspbian how do i add an init script to systemd"
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> not all Pi's have Python, fwiw ... :-)
[20:59] <Psi-Jack> And there you go, a simple basic tutorial. Sorry, I don't know such sites as I know systemd too well already. (Heck, I use systemd.timers instead of cron these days)
[21:00] <Rickta59> so who knows if it works ...
[21:01] <brianx> the OP is not all that likely to be a corner case. they don't seem to have the skills to implement things that are significantly non-standard.
[21:01] <Rickta59> i like the /etc/rc.local solution .. but i'm old school
[21:01] <Rickta59> and one is more likely to find a systemd tutorial
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> me too. I test in /etc/rc.local, then write a /etc/init.d script for it.
[21:02] <brianx> /etc/rc.local works today but is the old method.
[21:03] <Rickta59> systemd seems to be the ever expanding 5000lb gorrilla
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[21:03] <gordonDrogon> it's nice to have a choice.
[21:03] <brianx> when you dig into systemd, it becomes a bunch of small unix-ish utilities again.
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[21:04] <brianx> my biggest issue is storing the log data in a binary format.
[21:05] <brianx> parsable plain text would have been my preference.
[21:06] <Psi-Jack> you can still get that by hooking in rsyslog to it, which distros like CentOS does by default.
[21:07] <Psi-Jack> I like the fact, though, that I can natively look through the journal logs and even search for time and day and various filters to see if those logs exist and what they had.
[21:07] <brianx> iirc, that breaks the status feature.
[21:07] <Psi-Jack> Nope.
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[21:07] <brianx> hmm, ok
[21:08] <Psi-Jack> systemd is already feeding an alternative syslog for that very purpose, by default, whether or not anything is using it.
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[21:09] <brianx> so two disk writes for every systemd related log entry.
[21:09] <Psi-Jack> Well, this Photon... Pretty cool! :D
[21:10] <Psi-Jack> The syslog virtual device is not written to disk.
[21:11] <brianx> meaning the only disk copy is again a binary format?
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[21:12] <Psi-Jack> Generally, by default. The output /run/systemd/journal/syslog is a socket that other things, like rsyslog, can read, and do whatever you want with. Write to a file, or ship it to another system, etc.
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[21:13] <brianx> so CentOS keeps one copy of the systemd related logs on disk and that copy is in a binary format?
[21:14] <Psi-Jack> Correct. CentOS also keeps the traditional /var/log/* logs files received via rsyslog, by default, as well.
[21:15] <brianx> this is consistent with my understanding but adds another output interface to the log viewer that i wasn't familiar with.
[21:16] <Psi-Jack> hehe
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[21:18] <brianx> it still leaves me without the diagnostic ability that not using a binary format would. if my pi won't boot and i only have an amiga or anything else handy (one with an sd slot), i could read text only logs with that. my amiga can't read the binary format logs.
[21:18] <brianx> (ok, amiga is unlikely... but windows can't read the logs either)
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[21:19] <brianx> i'm generally fairly happy with systemd, except for the binary log format.
[21:19] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
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[21:20] <Psi-Jack> You can technically also configure systemd not to write much, if any, to that, or disable it, and just use rsyslog with it.
[21:20] <Psi-Jack> This is nice. This Photon, easy to tinker with up front.
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[21:20] <brianx> which would break the systemctl status function
[21:20] <Psi-Jack> Already have a PWM LED and Photoresistor up and running and I can do and see the results instantly,
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[21:25] <brianx> iirc, you can also code that thing with gcc Psi-Jack. it may not be as easy to get a silly demo up with, but it's great for doing something more complex.
[21:25] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. :)
[21:25] <sockofleas> i realized my error was that the filepath in my script was broken
[21:25] <Psi-Jack> I know you can also reflash it with something other than tinker. I'm not a C programmer, but I can certainly learn.
[21:25] <sockofleas> for some reason, running with python3 uses relative filepaths, but running with cron or systemd uses absolute paths
[21:25] <Psi-Jack> sockofleas: And using cron to run "services"
[21:25] <Psi-Jack> That's a big no-no.
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[21:37] <Psi-Jack> Well, this Photon is pretty cool. :)
[21:38] <brainzap> what does it do?
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[21:39] <Psi-Jack> Anything I want it to. :)
[21:41] <brianx> it's nice that it's an STM32 Cortex M3. much better than the esp8266.
[21:41] <Psi-Jack> I'm just prototyping and getting my hands dirty now, but I'm designing a RPi-3 HUB to work with and communicate with external WiFi modules, like this Photon, to be door sensors, motion sensors, etc.
[21:42] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Yeah, I have two other modules that use the esp8266, the Adafruit HUZZAH and HiLetgo NodeMCU.
[21:42] <brianx> it's not nice that it costs almost 11 times as much though.
[21:42] <Psi-Jack> 11 times? Nah, just twice.
[21:43] <Habbie> brianx, why is stm32 cortex m3 better than esp8266? (serious question because i have no clue)
[21:43] <ShorTie> 433mhz will go thru doors and walls better then wifi
[21:43] <brianx> Psi-Jack: where did you find a photon for $3.64?
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[21:45] <brianx> Habbie: it's a much more robust design without the requirement to link a binary blob for access to the radio and the module plus cpu model means no long delays while the cpu can't be interrupted during transmits.
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[21:46] <Psi-Jack> I didn't, it was $19. The HiLetgo was $8.79 and the HUZZAH was $11.75, so, about twice. :p
[21:46] <brainzap> but is 1MB enough
[21:46] <Habbie> brianx, understood, thanks
[21:46] <brianx> Psi-Jack: i was comparing to an esp-12.
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[21:50] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[21:50] <Psi-Jack> Nice. My little Anker flashlight, I just made a little photosensor that sends event logs when it detects a certain light level. My flashlight has a bright mode, eco mode, and flashing mode.
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[21:51] <Psi-Jack> Soon, I will tinker with it with a real PIR sensor.
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[21:58] <Psi-Jack> The one thing I was concerned about the Photon was that I didn't want to be externally dependant on a service with it, because I'm building a security system.
[21:58] <Psi-Jack> Aka, I want the RPi3 itself to directly be able to receive events over the local WiFi for things happening, when I build the server code for it,.
[21:58] <brianx> of course you can build into various cloud services with it, but you can also implement lots of things without the cloud.
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[21:59] <Psi-Jack> I've noticed. :)
[21:59] <Psi-Jack> Pretty powerful, and fast.
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[22:00] <brianx> just wait till you get tired of the silly scripting language and move on to C.
[22:00] <brainzap> nobody ever said
[22:02] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Heh. This may be my gateway into C/C++, finally, actually.
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[22:02] <Psi-Jack> What language IS the Photon stuff in anyway? It looks C-like, but mostly looks similarish to the wierd statemachine based C I used to work with on older JackModules.
[22:02] <Psi-Jack> JackRabbit Modules that is
[22:06] <Psi-Jack> Looks like it's kinda Arduino-like.
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[22:08] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, Photon actually uses C++
[22:09] <Psi-Jack> And Arduino functions as well, so Arduino code will run natively. Interesting.
[22:09] <Emilio_> Can someone help me troubleshoot some issues with udev? I can't run "apt-get -f install" because of an error. I posted some error logs here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/43154689/raspberry-pi-unable-to-run-apt-get-f-install
[22:10] <Psi-Jack> Cool. So, now I have my work cut out for me. heheh
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[22:12] <brianx> i'm not sure what they call it.
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[22:12] <brianx> arduino is not quite C.
[22:13] <Psi-Jack> Particle uses their language called "Wiring", which is based on the same code framework as Adruino.
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[22:16] <Psi-Jack> But yeah. This is cool stuff.
[22:16] <Psi-Jack> It was funny too. I was casually browsing the internet looking for things, and I came accross this website...
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[22:16] <Psi-Jack> "Why you should not use a Raspberry Pi for Home Security". "Because it's not linked in with a monitoring service, and because we want to sell you our own service and equipment" is literally all it boiled down to.
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[22:19] <Psi-Jack> I'm still curious though if there's a functional XBee component for the RPi. I'm more prone to use ZigBee over Z-Wave for home integrations for insecure things. (like lighting)
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[22:23] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I wonder how much different Objective-C is compared to C and C++
[22:23] <Psi-Jack> Or better, Swift. LOL
[22:23] <Habbie> you can't do Obj-C without understanding C, this much i've learned
[22:23] <Habbie> don't know much about Swift
[22:23] <Habbie> you can't do C++ without understanding C either, btw
[22:24] <Habbie> neither means that understanding C will mean you can immediately grasp Obj-C and C++, to be clear
[22:24] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. Later on in my project, I'm going to be making an iOS app for all this stuff too, so, good to know everything I need. :)
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[22:27] <mfa298> I think there are some that would argue learning C before C++ just leads you into bad habits.
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[22:28] <mfa298> you might be better learning the bits of C you need as you learn C++ if you want to go that route.
[22:28] <Psi-Jack> Heh, yeah. I'm more prone to learn C++, because it's more my primary focus, that and Node.JS. Since C++ would also help me towards programming a Qt/KDE application for all this.
[22:28] <Habbie> mfa298, i'm not able to black/white disagree with that :)
[22:29] <Psi-Jack> hehe
[22:29] <Habbie> mfa298, i've learned C++ pretty much the most terrible way possible so i'll easily believe such suggestions
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[22:30] <Psi-Jack> Blah... I guess later I'll have to solder on those pin rails to that HUZZAH.
[22:30] <Psi-Jack> Glad I have a decent variable-temp soldering station that I've had a good while. :)
[22:32] <mfa298> Habbie: I'm the same, I started with C and then moved to C++ and did a lot of things the C way. It's only after reading some bits of C++ tutorials I've started to learn that there are often better ways in C++.
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[22:32] <Habbie> no i'm much worse
[22:32] <Habbie> after 15 years of C
[22:32] <Habbie> i got a job maintaining small pieces of a C++ project
[22:32] <Habbie> which was being run by somebody who hated things like the STL and autoconf
[22:32] <Habbie> so i got a lot of bad habits there
[22:32] <mfa298> But ignoring all that old knowledge is hard, and I find trying to work through decent learning courses frustrating when I already think I know a lot of it.
[22:33] <Habbie> then 5 years later i got a job maintaining a really well setup C++ project
[22:33] <Habbie> that's when i stopped hating C++
[22:33] <Habbie> mfa298, yes, it's so easy to go 'next page' and miss things
[22:33] <Habbie> mfa298, while what you actually need is a brain rewiring
[22:34] <Habbie> mfa298, but there are high points - this PR took me 4 days but i learned so much https://github.com/ahupowerdns/luawrapper/pull/32/files
[22:34] <mfa298> Habbie: well I'm mostly self taught, and most of my C/C++ is hobby based. Work based has been php/perl/ruby over the last ~15 years
[22:34] <Psi-Jack> Habbie: So, what you're saying is... It's better to outright learn C++, than it is to simply learn C, then add on C++?
[22:34] <Psi-Jack> :)
[22:34] <Habbie> my work has been C++ and Lua for 5.5 years now and both make me very happy
[22:35] <Habbie> Psi-Jack, mfa298 is saying that and i am saying that that does not feel wrong
[22:35] <Habbie> Psi-Jack, well mfa298 is saying people are saying that
[22:35] <Psi-Jack> Lua makes you happy? Interesting. I haven't done Lua yet, but it's on my list, especially since the HiLetgo NodeMCU uses LUA by default.
[22:35] <Habbie> Psi-Jack, i have no definitive answers here
[22:35] <Psi-Jack> hehehe
[22:35] <Habbie> yes, Lua (not LUA) makes me very happy - finding out nodemcu used it made me happy as well
[22:35] <Psi-Jack> Well, like I said, C++ is more my interests anyway. :)
[22:35] <mfa298> Psi-Jack: if you have little experince of either and your more interested in C++ (and the Object Oriented approach) then you may do better finding some good books on C++
[22:36] <Habbie> although micropython is a lot easier to use on the 8266
[22:36] <kaosine> Eh, at least you don't have a teacher like mine who wants to teach like we're middle schoolers which aggravates me to no end XD
[22:36] <brianx> i thought the default was something like node or lua. if it's arduino, that's close enough to C.
[22:36] <Psi-Jack> Oooh, micropython.. I might have to look into this!
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[22:36] <Psi-Jack> I do know Python!
[22:36] <Habbie> micropython comes with a web console that has history editing
[22:36] <Habbie> and file upload
[22:36] <Habbie> nodemcu lua does not, by default
[22:36] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
[22:36] <Habbie> brianx, the 8266 can be used as an arduino as well
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[22:37] <kaosine> And I kinda feel like she's set me up for logic errors on our interactive coding website
[22:37] <Psi-Jack> Yep, There's ESP-8266 shields out there.
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[22:38] <mfa298> half the arduino stuff is based on C++ rather than C, And to some extent treating things as objects (serial.read) makes for more readable code for beginners
[22:38] <brianx> Habbie: i'm aware. but using esp8266 under arduino leaves you with a window size of one. the result is blocked code and poor wifi performance.
[22:38] <Habbie> brianx, ah, did not know that
[22:38] <mfa298> although c++ on a microcontroller does feel very wrong
[22:38] <Habbie> Psi-Jack, i don't mean shields - i mean the 8266 itself can be used directly from the Arduino IDE
[22:38] <brianx> Habbie: yeah, it's apparently being worked on now. maybe soon there will be a fix.
[22:38] <Psi-Jack> OKay. Well, break time. Hate a late start today from being up all night installing two Cat6 leads for my two UAP-AC-Lites, and so far, I've been all work and no play. heh
[22:38] <Habbie> Psi-Jack, but, i have not tried this myself
[22:38] <Psi-Jack> Habbie: OH! Interesting.
[22:39] <Psi-Jack> You mean the actual chip itself, like on the Arduino UNO WiFi.
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[22:39] <kaosine> What about Java on a micromachine like this? Might be some good practice for myself when I transfer to my uni >_>
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[22:39] <brianx> Psi-Jack: loving my UAP-AC-Pro. just got one.
[22:39] * Psi-Jack cringes about Java.
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[22:39] <NineChickens> Does rm -rf nuke the entire filesystem?
[22:40] <NineChickens> or just the current folder
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[22:40] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Hehe. Yeah. Lite was enough for me, and half the price, paired up with 2 covers my whole house extremely well, plus my whole yard.
[22:40] <brianx> Psi-Jack: have you tried the debug terminal yet? i've not been able to get mine to connect.
[22:40] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Hmm? debug terminal?
[22:40] <kaosine> Psi-Jack: I half feel the same way but the uni only uses Java apparently for the main courses XD
[22:40] <mfa298> NineChickens: depends what's on the end of the command, 'rm -rf /' will nuke everything, 'rm -rf .' will nuke the current directory
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[22:41] <NineChickens> so type 'rm -rf.'?
[22:41] <brianx> Psi-Jack: devices, choose device, configuration, debug terminal.
[22:41] <NineChickens> Is the . meant to be the filepath?
[22:41] <Psi-Jack> NineChickens: ...
[22:41] <Psi-Jack> NineChickens: Do you have a real question, or just a bunch of nonsense jibberish?
[22:41] <kaosine> That . Is a path alt for the current one XD
[22:42] <shauno> you may want to use -ri rather than -rf if you have no idea what you're doing. --interactive vs --force.
[22:42] <mfa298> NineChickens: . means current directory, .. is parent directory, that's where things like ./myprog come from to run a program in the local dir
[22:42] <Psi-Jack> brianx: My debug terminal works.
[22:42] <NineChickens> Aah, thanks
[22:42] <NineChickens> shauno: Would they have similar effects?
[22:42] <brianx> Psi-Jack: i picked the pro for the real poe and the option to mount outdoors (under eaves) should i want to migrate it there in the future. plus the 1300 on 5Ghz
[22:43] <shauno> -f will assume you really meant to destroy everything. -i will ask you. if you're not sure what you're about to delete, the later could be handy
[22:43] <brianx> Psi-Jack: what os are you running the controller under?
[22:43] <NineChickens> aah
[22:43] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Looks like it's basically just kinda like a modified NoVNC (re Debug Console)
[22:43] <NineChickens> And just -r?
[22:43] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Debian 8
[22:43] <shauno> -r is recursive. so it'll attempt to recurse into subdirectories
[22:43] <mfa298> or use rm -rvf to list things as they're deleted
[22:43] <brianx> Psi-Jack: hmm, now i wonder why mine doesn't work...
[22:44] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Heh. I'd just ssh in anyway, same thing.
[22:44] <brianx> running latest firmware and latest controller.
[22:44] <brianx> oh, ssh works just fine.
[22:44] <NineChickens> I'm just trying to delete a directory, but rmdir only works on empty directories
[22:44] <Psi-Jack> Yep. I actually upgraded from UniFI Controller 4.x (stable), to 5.x.
[22:44] <NineChickens> Apparently it's 'rm -r directoryname'
[22:45] <brianx> Psi-Jack: i didn't know the debug terminal was nothing but the linux shell. thanks!
[22:45] <mfa298> NineChickens: you can also do 'rm -rf <dir>'
[22:45] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Yeah, it's literally just a NoVNC-like terminal shell to the WAP.
[22:45] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Same thing you'd get with ssh, exactly.
[22:45] <brianx> Psi-Jack: maybe that was it. i installed 5 directly without ever installing 4.
[22:46] <Psi-Jack> The only thing the Debug console does different is, well, it's in a web page, and two, it's a white background with black text (ewww), and three, it's in a fancy HTML movable window within the page.
[22:46] <brianx> heh, all not interesting to me.
[22:46] <sir_galahad_ad_> :/
[22:46] <Psi-Jack> And it's not even 80x25, it's 80x10?
[22:46] <NineChickens> Well the pi seems to not have crashed
[22:46] <NineChickens> I think it worked
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> what did you remove though ...
[22:47] <brianx> now, i wonder how much of the config i can manage through the shell... i'd love to not have a silly "controller"
[22:47] <NineChickens> A folder I installed in the wrong place
[22:47] <Psi-Jack> brianx: It's VERY watered down....
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> you could have just moved it ?
[22:47] <Psi-Jack> I mean, you login and instantly BusyBox....
[22:47] <Psi-Jack> That should tell you something.
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[22:48] <brianx> yeah, i'm in the shell. it seems to be a reasonably standard micro distro based on busybox utilities.
[22:48] <NineChickens> help me
[22:48] <Psi-Jack> Heh, and the "help" command, shows you so little... info, set-default (factory reset), set-inform (URL for UniFI Controller), upgrade (firmware url), and reboot.
[22:49] <NineChickens> i just tried to run 'wget' on a command
[22:49] <brianx> the availability of tools to manage the ap in the shell are what i'm curious about. set ssid, passwords, channels, run an rf scan, etc.
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[22:50] <Psi-Jack> brianx: It IS good to know though that ip link shows athX devices, meaning it's Atheros, not Broadcom crap.
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[22:51] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Funny too. Seems these UAP's have an httpd on them. uhttpd. They just seem to not be running it.
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> NineChickens, what's up now?
[22:52] <Psi-Jack> heh
[22:53] <NineChickens> nothing
[22:53] <NineChickens> I was just so tired that I managed to do it
[22:53] <Psi-Jack> He lacks basic linux knowledge.
[22:53] <NineChickens> nothing happened
[22:53] <brianx> Psi-Jack: hadn't noticed that. interesting that uhttpd is installed.
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[22:53] <clever> NineChickens: https://explainshell.com/explain?cmd=rm+-rf+.
[22:53] <NineChickens> other than the obligatory errors
[22:53] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Yeah. Has a configuration file in /etc too. :)
[22:53] <brianx> the pro is Atheros too.
[22:54] <Psi-Jack> Heh, even has dnsmasq. LOL
[22:54] <Psi-Jack> But, isn't running it, again..
[22:54] <Psi-Jack> So, I may consider making my UAP's backup dnsmasq servers. LOL
[22:55] <brianx> almost as if they were planning on adding the ability for these things to become routers instead of just AP.
[22:55] <brianx> or maybe they use common code with some router product.
[22:55] <Psi-Jack> With only 128MB RAM, maybe not.
[22:55] <Psi-Jack> Probably able to work with the overal USG stuff, maybe... Just maybe.
[22:55] <brianx> i've never had a home router with more than 64MB ram before.
[22:56] <brianx> it's the 16GB flash that's painful.
[22:56] <Psi-Jack> However, I /do/ wonder what makes these UAP's accessible from the iOS/Android app.
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[22:57] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Heh. Sheash. My ER-X for $50 has 256MB. My ERPOE-5 though just replaced that and has 512MB RAM.
[22:57] <Habbie> my new router has 4GB RAM
[22:57] <oq> Habbie: you build it yourself?
[22:57] <Psi-Jack> hehe
[22:57] <Habbie> oq, only minor assembly was required - pcengines apu2c4 kit
[22:58] <Psi-Jack> I've considered soooo many times building my own router. With stuff from pc-engines.ch, it would be cheap to do.
[22:58] <brianx> Psi-Jack: i've only had older equipment before
[22:58] <Psi-Jack> Habbie: Nice. Exactly what I was just talking about.
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> I build lots of stuff based on the ALIX boards. nice little boards.
[22:58] <Habbie> Psi-Jack, yes
[22:58] <brianx> this is the first fairly modern device i ever bought.
[22:58] <Habbie> Psi-Jack, i like it a lot
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> *built - don't do it any more.
[22:58] <Psi-Jack> Habbie: That'll be one of my next purchases down the road, just to have one to play with. I want to understand coreboot first hand.
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[22:58] <Habbie> i might end up compiling my own BIOS for it but that's step 14 of the plan and i'm at step 2
[22:59] <Habbie> Psi-Jack, yes, coreboot is great
[22:59] <Psi-Jack> That's what I hear.
[22:59] <Habbie> i can install debian without putting any storage in
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> currently I use Atom boards for my home/office routers.
[22:59] <Habbie> other than the storage i want to install debian -to-
[22:59] <Habbie> just boot the installer straight from a random mirror
[23:00] <binaryhermit> note to self: don't get notified on "binary" if you're in a channel where systemd discussions will take place
[23:00] <Habbie> heh
[23:00] <Psi-Jack> While you're at Step 2, I'm at Step 2 on a much bigger list. Step 1 was replace ASUS AC66U with actual router and actual AP. I doubled a bit on Step 1 by getting the ER-X then upgrading to the ERPOE-5 in addition to the real APs. :)
[23:00] <Habbie> i've had that with 'hab' in channels with lots of germans
[23:00] <brianx> sorry hermit.
[23:00] <binaryhermit> no big deal
[23:00] <binaryhermit> it is a valid complaint about systemd IMO
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[23:00] <Psi-Jack> Step 2, though, is integrate my own custom-made devices into my home automation with HomeKit and Alexa. heh
[23:01] <Psi-Jack> Anyway, stepping away now. The hunger has become real.
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[23:01] <Habbie> enjoy your meal
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[23:03] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. hehe. After that I need to finally put some focus back to the entertainment center. Picked up a new HDMI switch but haven't hooked it up. Supposedly it has PIP capabilities, and I was starting to get low on HDMI inputs. :)
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[23:04] <brianx> Psi-Jack: 2593 1071/utermd @IPC_WEBRTC_LISTENER may be the interface android uses
[23:04] <Psi-Jack> Hehe. I want to see if it's possible that with the PIP me and my wife could be both playing PS4 and Wii-U at the same time on the same TV.
[23:04] <Habbie> that sounds like a terrible plan
[23:04] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[23:04] <Habbie> i got a second tv to fix that problem
[23:05] <Habbie> TVs are not expensive
[23:05] <brianx> or mcad
[23:05] <Psi-Jack> Habbie: The kind of TV's I want, are. :p
[23:05] <Psi-Jack> heh
[23:05] <Habbie> we got a 40" from a friend who 'was not using it any more'
[23:05] <Habbie> he's coming over for dinner in return at some point
[23:05] <Habbie> and wants to pick my brain on things
[23:05] <Habbie> this is fine
[23:05] <Psi-Jack> heh
[23:06] <Habbie> meanwhile i had a few second hands lined up at <EUR 150
[23:06] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, my living room TV, the only TV I have these days, is a 56"
[23:06] <Habbie> but, i'm not very picky, this is true
[23:06] <Psi-Jack> Anyway, I'm off. :)
[23:06] <Habbie> see ya
[23:06] <mfa298> when buying electronics it pays to look around a bit and choose your time carefully. When I got my TV (quite a few years ago now) it was cheaper to buy a 40" tv rather than a 32"
[23:07] <brianx> later Psi-Jack
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[23:09] <gordonDrogon> our last TV was free as I'd done some work for the shop... however it was a 36" Sony tube. last of their kind. it needed 2 people to lift it.
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[23:17] <mfa298> problem with crt's that size is you'll struggle to get them in a modern house/flat - at least if you want to be able to watch it as well :p
[23:17] <mfa298> although you probably won't need any heaters :)
[23:18] <Guest53867> gordonDrogon, not the last of it's kind, I have one in my living room now.
[23:18] <Guest53867> The only reason it's there though is we don't want to carry it outside...
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[23:19] <gordonDrogon> I did manage to get rid of it recently - we were offered some big flatscreen thing for next to nothing because it was the wrong colour for this persons house.
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> it now has a Pi connected to it running Kodi.
[23:20] <scott_tams> well of course
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> it's actually the first time we've taken "technology" into the living room.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> there's no ethernet in there, so it's using wi-fi.
[23:21] <Psi-Jack> Heh. grrr.. Just as I was ready to get to other things... Work happends, on the f'ing weekend.. Again..
[23:23] <scott_tams> Before I got my pi set up I used to run an HDMI from my computer to the TV
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[23:23] <binaryhermit> I have a 40" 1080p LCD in my bedroom with antenna, a pi , and a chromecast connected
[23:23] <scott_tams> Just have it set up as a 3rd monitor and turn it off most of the time
[23:23] * binaryhermit mostly uses the chromecast
[23:24] <scott_tams> has anyone here set up a pi to take a remote signal from a PC (either windows or linux)?
[23:24] <mfa298> my parents house is good if you want something to be technology free, it's Edwardian and half the walls are at least a foot thick.
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> we have no technology in the bedroom.
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[23:24] <mfa298> wireless in the living room is a challenge
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[23:25] <gordonDrogon> mfa298, ours is c1760 ... Devon limestone/granite/cob ...
[23:25] <scott_tams> I mean, I have a Nexus 6, at arms length that's basically big enough to be a TV anyway so why would I need any tech in the bedroom?
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[23:25] <gordonDrogon> heh.. I have the N6 too - it makes a good alarm clock :)
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[23:25] <scott_tams> Why's that?
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> because it tells the time and can go beep at a set time
[23:26] <scott_tams> well yeah but so does the lg optimus lol
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> most phones do, I suspect.
[23:27] <scott_tams> So does your arduino if you add an RTC, i2c screen, and a buzzer
[23:27] <scott_tams> what makes the n6 a notably good alarm clock though?
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> it's all I have, so it's good.
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> actually, I have an N5 too, but that's for spare.
[23:27] <scott_tams> oh i see. fair.
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> I gave up on separate alarm clocks, watches, etc. decades back.
[23:28] <scott_tams> hah I just got my by the n5 because i have like 3 spare screens for it
[23:28] <scott_tams> Yeah I remember using my Palm Zire 21 as an alarm clock at...10, maybe?
[23:28] <scott_tams> dating myself a bit there...
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[23:29] <gordonDrogon> actually, I'm trying to think what alarm clock I had before mobiles... I started with the original Nokia communicator (brick) thing.
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[23:31] <gordonDrogon> this was it: http://www.electronicgoodness.co.uk/post/54462879188/president-timelite
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> I for it for my 18th birthday and must have kept using it until then.
[23:31] <scott_tams> Oh my that's so nice!
[23:32] <scott_tams> I would put that on my bedside stand if i had one
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> 30 years give or take.
[23:32] * kaosine high fives binaryhermit
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[23:33] <gordonDrogon> they don't make them like they used to.
[23:34] <scott_tams> Hence why I wish we had more open-source hardware.
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[23:36] <redrabbit> scott_tams: yeah
[23:36] <mfa298> I'm not so worried about OS hardware, but having engineers that care about what they're designing and makign things to last would be good
[23:37] <redrabbit> for the "has anyone here set up a pi to take a remote"
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> the buttons went on my old clock. I couldn't make it change the time or alarm.
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> altohugh I suspect they never expected it to last 30 years...
[23:37] <mfa298> I've still got a clock radio from ~30 years ago which should still work (not used it for a few years)
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> things like the usual case going yellow....
[23:38] <redrabbit> i audio amplifier is from 1980
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> my bbc micro blew the PSU capacitors recently.
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[23:38] <redrabbit> its powered on 24/7 for the last 5 years at least
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> check the capacitors on old stuff - they do fail.
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/bbcSmoke.jpg
[23:38] <redrabbit> i don't know about the caps, it sounds fine though
[23:38] <redrabbit> its sansui all made in japan
[23:38] <mfa298> my bbc still seems to be fine, although the cub monitor with it when pop after I plugged it in a couple of months ago.
[23:39] <redrabbit> very warm and smooth
[23:39] <scott_tams> redrabbit, how did you do it, just rdesktop or something else? Did it work well?
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> there's a few people selling capacitor kits on ebay to repair the PSUs in the Beeb.
[23:40] <redrabbit> scott_tams: there's a few ways
[23:40] <redrabbit> ssh, x over ssh, vnc...
[23:40] <redrabbit> anything really
[23:40] <scott_tams> ssh over x works for me, I've done that before, but my roommate runs windows. Will rdesktop be fast enough for him do you think?
[23:41] <redrabbit> you can use x over ssh on windows
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[23:42] <redrabbit> mobaxterm supports it
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> vnc can be faster than ssh/X due to lack of encryption.
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[23:43] <mfa298> putty + Xming works as well for x11 forwarding without needing something paid for and bloated
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[23:43] <redrabbit> ssh over x is fast, at least on the local network
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> tightvncserver is what I use.
[23:43] <redrabbit> mfa298: its free
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> it's not the network, it's the Pi's compute ability to do the encryption.
[23:44] <redrabbit> no doubt you can use other x servers but the setup is probably less used friendly for something to recommand to the average windwos user
[23:44] <mfa298> redrabbit: mobaxterm is only free if you don't do much with it.
[23:44] <redrabbit> i agree that its bloated
[23:44] <redrabbit> you can use it for x over ssh occasionally
[23:44] <redrabbit> it does that without any fuss
[23:45] <redrabbit> i moslty use extra putty for my ssh stuff
[23:45] <mfa298> you should be able to do x forwarding the old fashioned way as well, have the X server listen on 5900 and set DISPLAY=<PC IP>:0
[23:46] <mfa298> then you don't have the encryption overheads of ssh
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> I do it the old fashioned way, but most Linux X disable tcp...
[23:47] <shauno> another option is to get ssh to use weaker ciphers that are less intensive (like ssh -c arcfour)
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[23:51] <scott_tams> You can use SSH to show Windows 7 windows in the X window system on debian??
[23:51] <scott_tams> or that 5900 thing??
[23:52] <redrabbit> or just use mobaxterm
[23:52] <redrabbit> :)
[23:52] <scott_tams> wow that would probably be ideal.
[23:53] <redrabbit> x over ssh is good because you dont need to configure or install anything extra
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[23:54] <redrabbit> you dont even need x on the server
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[23:55] <redrabbit> xming looks good though
[23:55] <redrabbit> im going to try this
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[23:58] <mfa298> I wouldn't be surprised if mobaxterm was using xming intternally, when I looked at mobaxterm it did seem to just be wrapping other software and putting limits on how mcuh you could use them without paying for the pleasure of a front end
[23:59] <scott_tams> that's super not-cool
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