#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-04-02

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[0:04] <mfa298> I maybe wrong on that, so don't quote me on it, but that's the feeling I got when using it a while ago.
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[0:07] <scott_tams> I mean, even the freemium aspect of it is not cool, but that sort of antics is why we have copy left licenses and I always think it's really sad when that happens.
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[0:18] <Keytap_> Afternoon gents. Quick question, I've got a raspberry pi 3 and I want to use it to act like a bluetooth headset then output the audio through the aux jack. Any idea where I would start with that?
[0:20] <Keytap_> Also, it's a bit of a necessity that the RPi boots relatively quickly.
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[1:35] <binaryhermit> does anyone else see what I see? https://twitter.com/MOQPhiKing/status/848256240551636993
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[1:41] <oq> binaryhermit: seems weird to give the pi its own monitor
[1:41] <binaryhermit> shrug
[1:41] <binaryhermit> I'm not 100% sure what I'm looking at
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[3:59] <kaosine> gordonDrogon: so when you were talking about needing a expansion board for what I wanted to do is this what you were talking about? http://www.ebay.com/itm/GPIO-Expansion-Board-Raspberry-Pi-Shield-for-Raspberry-PI-2-3-B-B-With-Screws-/311729749704?_trksid=p2385738.m2548.l4275
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[5:42] <hmoney> where are my nerds at
[5:42] <mewecoffee> hmoney: yo
[5:43] <atomi> NERDS!
[5:43] <mewecoffee> currently trying to get Filebot 4.7.8 working on my raspberry pi 2 running Raspian Jessie
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[5:43] <atomi> yeah I'm done with the rpi
[5:44] <atomi> I moved all my stuff to a cheapo proxmox box
[5:45] <atomi> I mean I love the rpi the damn thing is a beast but it's hard to beat creating random vms when you need them
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[5:46] <atomi> I mainly used it as a docker host using arch, so I'm not sure what to do with it now
[5:46] <mewecoffee> atomi: smart move
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[5:48] <atomi> yeah I'm using a J3455 which is only 10W TDP and enough to run everythin I use
[5:49] <atomi> *everything
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[5:58] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[5:59] <mattwj2002> i see orange pi released a board similar to the pi zero w but with cellular
[5:59] <mattwj2002> :d
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[6:27] <Psi-Jack> Oh man.. I just found out about the ESP32 which is like ESP8266, but stronger, faster, and more powerful.
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[6:27] <Psi-Jack> And has Bluetooth 4.2 heh
[6:29] <hmoney> what's the cost diff jack?
[6:29] <Psi-Jack> Well, the Esspressive devel board is $25.
[6:29] <Psi-Jack> You can get 2 ESP32's without the board, for $20.
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[6:30] <hmoney> so $7 vs $10 or so?
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[6:31] <hmoney> i've never used the esp boards but i've been thinking about them for smart wall sockets
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[6:31] <Psi-Jack> Heh, hmmm.
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[6:32] <hmoney> what do you use yours for?
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[6:32] <Psi-Jack> I've been working towards mostly home sensors, currently. Light stuff, I'm okay using something like Zigbee. Leviton is coming out with "smart switches" that'll natively support homekit, and knowing Leviton, it'll be far cheaper than most anything out there, especially Lutron.
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[6:33] <Psi-Jack> hmoney: Working towards a complete home security solution.
[6:33] <Psi-Jack> Linked around HomeKit and Alexa Skills.
[6:34] <Psi-Jack> For the automation side of that, that is.
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[6:36] <Psi-Jack> Heh
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[6:37] <Psi-Jack> So far, I have the Particle Photon, which by itself is pretty impressive and easy to work with. The HiLetgo NodeMCU v1.0, that one I haven't even figured out how to work with at all yet, like how to connect it up to WiFi or anything, heh. And the Adafruit HUZZAH, which I'm now thinking I probably should've gotten the Feather
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[6:37] <Psi-Jack> Though the HUZZAH alone is good to be able to directly play with the serial interface to it. heh
[6:38] <Psi-Jack> Once I solder the pins in..
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[6:41] <hmoney> ah that huzzah does look cool
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[6:41] <hmoney> did you use homeassistant / hassbian for your homekit setup?
[6:42] <Psi-Jack> hmoney: Nope. my RPI3 is being my integrated HomeKit gateway.
[6:42] <hmoney> w/ what software?
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[6:42] <Psi-Jack> Raspberry and homebridge (NodeJS)
[6:43] <Psi-Jack> Though, now looking into it, I may klook into HomeAssistant since it's Python based. :)
[6:46] <Psi-Jack> The one thing HomeAssistant seems to lack is HomeKit specifically.
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[6:52] <hmoney> i think they tie in homebridge to use siri
[6:52] <hmoney> I havent setup a homeassistant setup yet, but i've been following it for a while
[6:52] <Psi-Jack> https://home-assistant.io/components/ -- No mention of HomeKit or Siri there.
[6:53] <Psi-Jack> MQTT they have though. heh
[6:53] <hmoney> http://beenje.github.io/blog/posts/control-your-accessories-from-home-assistant-with-siri-and-homekit/
[6:54] <hmoney> the problem i'm seeing with homeassistant is they seem to keep breaking things when they roll out updates
[6:54] <hmoney> like... intentionally
[6:54] <Psi-Jack> heh
[6:54] <hmoney> "this doesn't work anymore, use this new function"
[6:55] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, does seem to exist a homebridge-homeassistant npm.
[6:55] <Psi-Jack> So, that's something.
[6:55] <hmoney> so it seems like you need to read what it breaks, then fix your code, then update
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[6:55] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[6:55] <hmoney> https://github.com/home-assistant/homebridge-homeassistant
[6:55] <Psi-Jack> Yep. that.
[6:55] <hmoney> err that's backwards
[6:56] <Psi-Jack> Heh, nope.
[6:56] <Psi-Jack> All the plugins for homebridge are named homebridge-<plugin>
[6:57] <hmoney> i meant that is a plugin for homebridge to use homeassistant, vs the other way around
[6:57] <Psi-Jack> Heh
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[7:00] <Psi-Jack> Thanks for pointing me to homeassistant. Looks potential to save me a lot of time.
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[7:00] <hmoney> either way, I like to tell myself that I'm waiting for homeassistant to be a bit more polished before I dive in
[7:00] <hmoney> yeah, really cool project with lots of devs
[7:01] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. :)
[7:01] <hmoney> the HAdashboard and beta ios apps look promising too
[7:01] <Psi-Jack> And I like the fact it, itself, is python, which I actually DO know.
[7:01] <hmoney> the newest version adding volumio and better plex support is cool too
[7:01] <hmoney> yeah
[7:01] <hmoney> very easy to manipulate the .yaml(s)
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[7:02] <hmoney> there's a pretty active subreddit and forum too
[7:03] <Psi-Jack> Eh, I could care less about reddit-anything, but that's just me. :)
[7:04] <Psi-Jack> reddit is specifically banned from my network, forever.
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[7:04] <oq> your loss
[7:05] <Psi-Jack> No, my gain. :)
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[7:14] <Psi-Jack> Ugh, These docs for installing homeassistant using virtualenv just pisses me off, improper use of /srv...
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[9:32] <gordonDrogon> good sunday morning to you all.
[9:32] <gordonDrogon> lets see how my 12+ hours bread is going ..
[9:33] <humbot> :D
[9:33] <humbot> mother dough ?
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[9:38] <gordonDrogon> no - this was a 12 hour bake.
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[9:38] <gordonDrogon> @105�c
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[9:39] <gordonDrogon> it seems the lidded tin I used isn't as air tight as I reckoned. it's a little dry, despite being baked in a tray of water .
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[9:52] <humbot> ah, curious,
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[9:54] <gordonDrogon> look for icelandic thunder bread.
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> this turned out like icelandinc lava bricks.
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[9:56] <gordonDrogon> still - at least the Pi controller ran without a hitch.
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[10:48] <Lartza> ooh rye
[10:48] <Lartza> :)
[10:49] <mattwj2002> hey all
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[10:49] <Lartza> Looks a bit like bread we have called archipelago bread :)
[10:50] <mattwj2002> rye bread?
[10:50] <Lartza> https://breadwithbubbles.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/finnish-archipelago-bread-saaristolaisleipa/
[10:50] <mattwj2002> I have heard of it
[10:50] <mattwj2002> :P
[10:51] <mattwj2002> dang Lartza you are making me hungrier
[10:51] <mattwj2002> :P
[10:51] <Lartza> :D
[10:51] <mattwj2002> like seriously
[10:51] <mattwj2002> I need to get something to eat now
[10:51] <mattwj2002> :)
[10:52] <Lartza> :P
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[10:54] <mattwj2002> Lartza: where on this beautiful blue globe are you?
[10:54] <mattwj2002> I am living at Minneapolis, MN, USA
[10:54] <Lartza> Finland, the country of lakes and forests and swamps :)
[10:54] <mattwj2002> nice
[10:54] <mattwj2002> sounds like Minnesota
[10:54] <mattwj2002> :D
[10:55] <mattwj2002> we are known as the State of 10,000 lakes
[10:55] <Lartza> "There are some 187,888 lakes in Finland larger than 500 square metres (5,400 sq ft)."
[10:55] <Lartza> :D
[10:55] <mattwj2002> Lartza: I would move to Finland but I am so Finish with Finland (pun)
[10:56] <mattwj2002> dang Lartza
[10:56] <mattwj2002> Lartza: that was a kind joke
[10:56] <mattwj2002> :)
[10:56] <mattwj2002> about Finish and Finland
[10:56] <Lartza> :P
[10:57] <mattwj2002> Lartza: are you working on any pi projects
[10:57] <Lartza> Nope
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[10:57] <Lartza> I think Minnesota is one of the places finns have migrated in america, because it's similar to home :)
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[10:57] <mattwj2002> Lartza: makes sense
[10:58] <Lartza> yeah, michigan and minnesota
[10:58] <mattwj2002> we have had a lot of Nordic migrates over the years
[10:58] <mattwj2002> Lartza: what is the current temp?
[10:58] <Lartza> I think it's 3C for me
[10:59] <Lartza> We had snow yesterday, but spring is slowly taking over :)
[10:59] <mattwj2002> nice Lartza it is currently 6 C
[10:59] <mattwj2002> here
[10:59] <mattwj2002> but it also 4 AM
[10:59] <mattwj2002> :)
[11:00] <Lartza> midday, cloudy, grey :(
[11:01] <mattwj2002> bummer
[11:02] <mattwj2002> any significant amounts of snow?
[11:03] <mattwj2002> snow has avoided us luckily for a few weeks now
[11:03] <Lartza> Nah not anymore. Everything paved has pretty much melted and just some depending on the location elsewhere
[11:04] <mattwj2002> good to hear
[11:04] <mattwj2002> Lartza: I hate Winter here
[11:05] <Lartza> https://skyviewlive.roundshot.com/hiedanranta/
[11:05] <Lartza> Opposite side of the city from me but :)
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[11:06] <mattwj2002> wow
[11:06] <mattwj2002> live? :D
[11:06] <Lartza> Updates every 10 minutes I think
[11:06] <Lartza> Except that camera is saying 11 when but it's 12, but maybe just a DST error
[11:07] <mattwj2002> oh okay Lartza very cool
[11:08] <Lartza> There are two other cameras like that too that you can find from the panorama, Torni 360 is the city center and Tays is our university hospital that is going through heavy remodeling :)
[11:09] <Lartza> I have to say minnesota looks very much likje finland
[11:10] <Lartza> Fir are a different species etc but :)
[11:10] <mattwj2002> :)
[11:10] <mattwj2002> yeah I have never been to Finland
[11:11] <mattwj2002> I recently visited the UK though
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[11:11] <Lartza> UK is rainier and has less fir at least :)
[11:12] <mattwj2002> at least I was on the same continent :D
[11:12] <Lartza> I've never been beyond the neighbor countries
[11:12] <Lartza> True!
[11:12] <mattwj2002> I actually went in January on a business trip
[11:12] <Lartza> Well I mean UK is an island, not part of the continent in that sense ;)
[11:12] <mattwj2002> Sweden
[11:12] <Lartza> Well it's part of the continent but not continential...
[11:12] <mattwj2002> Ukraine?
[11:13] <Lartza> No, United Kingdom?
[11:13] <Lartza> UK is not ukraine
[11:13] <Lartza> :D
[11:13] <mattwj2002> I know haha
[11:13] <mattwj2002> I was asking what two other countries you have been to
[11:13] <Lartza> Oh
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[11:13] <Lartza> Sweden, Estonia and Norway
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[11:14] <Lartza> Though Norway was a long time ago
[11:14] <mattwj2002> I geography is no always the best
[11:14] <mattwj2002> *my
[11:14] <mattwj2002> not*
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[11:16] <mattwj2002> and apparently neither is my grammar :P
[11:16] <Lartza> Both begin with a g, coincidence or not?
[11:17] <mattwj2002> haha who knows! :P
[11:17] <mattwj2002> Lartza: I am a 5th generation American
[11:18] <mattwj2002> my great great grandparents came here around WWI
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[11:38] <inky_> i need to run a nodejs script on startup and it requires root. i tried with rc.local but its not working. so my plan B is starting cron and then using cron with @reboot to sudo node myscript;
[11:38] <inky_> but i am confused about what users are executing what;
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[11:39] <inky_> iirc, stuff in rc.local gets executed by root (so technically i never need to write sudo into the rc.local file?), but will the crond run my @reboot node script also as root?
[11:40] <inky_> ideally i would run everything as pi user, not root (i guess)
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[11:51] <mfa298> inky_: A better way mgiht be looking at writing a systemd service file, that way you have some control over when it starts and also some debug info about why it fails
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[11:52] <mfa298> for cron, it depends on how you set it to run your stuff as to which use it uses, there are system crons, and each user has it's own cron as well
[11:53] <Lartza> Why rc.local or cron yeah :S
[11:53] <Lartza> Just use systemd
[11:53] <Lartza> rc.local is the worst way to do this
[11:53] <Lartza> or anything really
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[11:58] <inky_> Lartza: so you wouldnt even use rc.local to start cron?
[11:59] <Lartza> why would I??
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[11:59] <inky_> im assuming thats a no
[12:00] <inky_> so many ways to start things at boot, but nowhere on the net i can find the info what would be the correct way and why not to use this or that
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[12:01] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20170402_101833.jpg
[12:02] <Lartza> Definetly close to archipelago bread :)
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> if only it actualy tasted good. I tried... twice..
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> it's missing something. maybe not enough salt. I'll try it again in a few weeks time when I get more rye grains.
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[12:06] <mfa298> inky_: systemd will give you most control over startign things, rc.local is more of a legacy way to start things.
[12:06] <mfa298> cron is really there to run a task on a schedule (every hour, every day etc.)
[12:06] <inky_> mfa298: ok, thanks!
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> inky_, if you want to keep using rc.local, then be aware that there is no $PATH setup. This is a common cause of "it doesn't work there, but works from the command-line".
[12:07] <inky_> yea, thats why node isnt working i guess. but i dont want to use rc.local, its just that i couldnt google out which is the "right" way to do it :)
[12:07] <mfa298> cron itself will be started by systemd you don't need to start it yourself, just have cronjobs setup if you need them
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> so something like PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin before the line with /path/to/myscript & might help you.
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[12:10] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea what systemd does with PATH, but it's always a good idea to either use absolute paths or set the path you need in a daemon type script/program.
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[12:11] <mfa298> systemd will moan at you lots if you don't use absolute paths
[12:11] <mfa298> and give you some useful information abotu why it's not working, if you look for it
[12:13] <inky_> at least i get feedback if something is not working :)
[12:13] <inky_> its kinda awkward to test if something starts on boot or not, the constant rebooting :(
[12:14] <mfa298> with systemd you can test it by trying to start/stop it without needing to reboot
[12:15] <mfa298> once that's working test with a reboot and it should just work
[12:15] <mfa298> systemd lets you start/stop a daemon at eny time, then enable/disable it for boot time
[12:16] <mfa298> systemd is the replacement for sysvinit and upstart
[12:18] <inky_> im looking at systemctrl list-units and i see that rc-local.service failed
[12:19] <inky_> but i thought i am starting samba with rc.local (and samba is working), now i wonder
[12:19] <inky_> when i apt-get installed samba, did the samba.service get added to systemd automatically?
[12:19] <inky_> (so i actually never had to add it to rc.local)
[12:19] <mfa298> samba should have a systemd service (or possibly a legacy init.d script)
[12:20] <inky_> mfa298: and it gets enabled on install via apt-get, right?
[12:20] <mfa298> I've not used samba in a long time so I'm not sure what it does these days
[12:21] <mfa298> 'systemctl status samba' should give some info about how it starts and if it's enabled
[12:21] <mfa298> similar for the rc-local may tell you why it failed
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[12:23] <mfa298> there's also various incatnations for journalctl that should give some detail on issues
[12:24] <inky_> hm, actually its samba-ad-dc.service (wahtever that is) that is active, not samba.service
[12:24] <Lartza> journalctl -u <something.service> -e
[12:24] <Lartza> Usually gives more info than just systemctl status
[12:24] <Lartza> or rather, more loglines
[12:25] <inky_> no journal files found
[12:26] <inky_> nvm, had to switch to root
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[12:34] <Skyrider> Hia all
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[12:40] <inky_> daemons and services are the same thing?
[12:41] <Lartza> pretty much yes
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[12:45] <Triki> Hi everyone!
[12:49] <Triki> I'm having a little trouble with a dualboot on a raspberry pi zero w, would anyone be around to help me out? o.o
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[12:51] <Triki> Hi Ned
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[12:59] <ShorTie> dualboot ??
[13:01] <Triki> *nod*
[13:02] <Triki> So I'm trying to dualboot kodi/retropie on a Raspberry pi zero w, someone on here (Plum) provided me a link for a custom image which seemed fine, I installed it no problem, but choosing whichever image to boot just gives me a black screen and it just hangs..
[13:05] <Triki> This is the image
[13:05] <Triki> http://www.multibootpi.com/builds/pi1-pi-zero-retropie-v4-0-2-osmc-2016-07-1-dual-boot/
[13:06] <mfa298> it's possible the zero-w would need something with a newer firmware image (I've not used any Zeros so don't know for sure)
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> maybe someone needs to build a hardware thingy that takes 2 (or more) SD cards and has a selector switch to present 1 to the Pi...
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> or like some dual-sim mobile phones do and simple swap them every boot...
[13:08] <mfa298> or just buy a 2nd sd card and Pi
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> that too. then you need hdmi switch or TV with many HDMI inputs..
[13:08] <ShorTie> that be the best
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[13:09] <gordonDrogon> actually, given the cost of a Pi0W and SD then it's a bit of a no-brainer - for most.
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[13:12] <ali1234> they cost less than most books about programming
[13:15] <HrdwrBoB> er
[13:15] <HrdwrBoB> 21:08 < gordonDrogon> that too. then you need hdmi switch or TV with many HDMI inputs..
[13:16] <HrdwrBoB> or ... a network
[13:16] <HrdwrBoB> :O
[13:16] <Triki> Well I mean that image was made toward the end of 2016 specifically for a pi zero
[13:16] <Triki> well a pi1/ pi zero
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[13:19] <ShorTie> but you got a w
[13:20] <Triki> "Yes but as far as I'm aware isn't the only difference the addition of the buiult in wifi/bluetooth ?
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[13:21] <ali1234> BurtyB: i'm trying to usbboot now...
[13:21] <ali1234> no lock so far
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[13:22] <BurtyB> ali1234, i find it works on about 4/10 Pi Zeros :/
[13:23] <ali1234> i am using a zero w
[13:23] <ali1234> at what point does it fail?
[13:23] <ShorTie> just like the movie's. it's a 'land before time' thing, you can't use older images on new pi's
[13:23] <BurtyB> and 3/6 Pi Zero W work
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[13:25] <ali1234> "Failed control transfer"
[13:25] <BurtyB> ali1234, sends the kernel etc, gets Done back but doesn't boot, or works once of twice out of 10 attempts
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[13:25] <BurtyB> ali1234, you can ignore that as it can still boot
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[13:28] <BurtyB> hmm actually that failed control transfer is from a timeout iirc
[13:29] <ali1234> i should check my kernel etc actually works
[13:30] <Triki> ali1234: It loads into the dualboot screen and allows me to pick, but whatever I choose just hangs immediately on ablack screen.
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[13:33] <BurtyB> ali1234, I added a sleep before the transfer and show the error code (I was getting -7/timeout iirc) haven't seen an issue since (https://github.com/burtyb/usbboot/commit/57002b68223c6d24db612068112f272f6384dd5c)
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[13:38] <ali1234> maybe bootcode.bin is no good
[13:38] <ali1234> trying the git versions
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> HrdwrBoB, I think using a Pi for games or video playing more or less dictates using the direct hdmi output on the Pi into the TV rather than via a network, although I know cat-5 hdmi extenders are a thing.
[13:42] <Triki> Shall I post the link to the image I'm trying with at the moment?
[13:42] <mfa298> Triki: they may well have changed the revision id put onto the SoC as part of adding wifi, at which point you'll potentially need an updated image for that
[13:43] <Triki> mfa298: Dang...a man can dream though.
[13:43] <Triki> I mean Is there any way I could update it myself?
[13:45] <BurtyB> ali1234, I've been using bootcode.bin from 2017-03-02
[13:45] <ali1234> yeah neither works :/
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[13:48] <Triki> ali1234: Well at least I know now it's not something I'm doing wrong, so that you very much for testing ^_^
[13:48] <ali1234> so we have usbboot that doesn't work properly, and netboot that doesn't work properly...
[13:49] <ali1234> at east mass storage works
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> mfa298, desfinately a different revision code between all 3 Pi 0 revisions.
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[13:52] <Triki> I'm going to try and locate a kodi only image that works with the zero, see if that helps me get at least that much done.
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[13:53] <ShorTie> l00k for zero-w
[13:54] <Triki> ?
[13:54] <ShorTie> don't you have a w version ??
[13:55] <Triki> I haven't located one yet, I've only been trying dual boots since getting my Pi
[13:57] <ali1234> BurtyB: can you send me a confirmed working /boot tarball?
[13:58] <ali1234> i can't get a peep out of this thing
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[14:00] <Triki> Ah, here we go, LibreELEC
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[14:04] <ali1234> hmm this kernel doesn't netboot either
[14:05] <ali1234> BurtyB: what kernel version do you use?
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[14:15] <BurtyB> ali1234, std kernel from 2017-03-02.. https://clusterhat.com/dist/boot.tgz is from one I've got booted atm
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> triki, kodi installs just fine via apt-get.
[14:16] <ali1234> so 4.4 then
[14:16] <ali1234> i'm trying to boot 4.11
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> so setup a basic raspbian-lite and apt-get install kodi and off you go.
[14:16] <ali1234> maybe its just broken. it works on sd card though
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[14:16] <gordonDrogon> however it's a somewhat older version - I did that and it worked fine on a Pi v3, then used another site to get a more up to date version - still installed via apt-get.
[14:17] <triki> gordonDrogon: Thanks! I'm going to give that a try right now! I think my problem here has really been I've been trying to sprint a marathon before I can walk. I guess trying to dual boot with my first Pi was a bit much.
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[14:32] <ali1234> BurtyB: hmm yours works :)
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[14:34] <ali1234> hmm wait a minute
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[14:44] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.. Anyone here by chance know how to work with a brand new HiLetgo NodeMCU, like how to get started using it? I've looked for get-starting tutorials, but it seems like everyone doing them is reflashing them right off the bat with an arduino or esperuino firmware heh.
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> maybe because no-one can make them work in node mode ..
[14:45] <Psi-Jack> heh
[14:45] <Psi-Jack> It's just Lua.
[14:45] <ali1234> hmmmmmmmmm
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> or that.
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> thought node was js ?
[14:45] <ali1234> its a different node
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> lovely.
[14:45] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, with the name NodeMCU, you'd think that. LOL
[14:46] <ali1234> anyway you just connect to the serial port of it, and you get a lua command prompt
[14:46] <Psi-Jack> But, yeah, it's a Lua engine.
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[14:46] <Psi-Jack> ali1234: Hmmm. So, mine has a microUSB port on it.
[14:46] <ali1234> yeah
[14:47] <Psi-Jack> A regular USB cable would work, and just some terminal program like minicom or something?
[14:48] <ali1234> yeah
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[14:48] <Psi-Jack> Oh! Yeah! I see.. cp210x detected and attached to ttyUSB0.
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[14:50] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, though, not getting anything. Got some garbage when I reset it.
[14:51] <ali1234> it might be blank then
[14:51] <ali1234> the garbage is from the internal bootloader which uses a weird baudrate
[14:52] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, In this case I specifically used 9600, which was printed on the bottom of the module to use.
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> wish I had time to look at the plethora of weird little boarsd these days. not even bought a bbc microbit yet ...
[14:53] <ali1234> the bootload use 60000 baud i think
[14:54] <ali1234> you need a scope to see what it says
[14:54] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I see. Well, I could try flashing the latest NodeMCU firmware I guess, see if that makes any difference.
[14:54] <ali1234> or logic analyser... but anyway, ignore that
[14:54] <ali1234> yeah, flash new firmware
[14:54] <Psi-Jack> NodeMCU 2.0.0 is out.
[14:55] <Psi-Jack> I want to actually USE these modules as they were originally designed before I just toss other firmwares on, like Espurino, or Aduino ones. heh
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[14:57] <ali1234> the way they are intended to be used is with the espruino C sdk
[14:57] <ali1234> that is the company that made the soc
[14:57] <ali1234> and that sdk is used by all the higher level firmwares
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[14:57] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, but Espruino is NodeJS?
[14:57] <ali1234> sorry espresso
[14:58] <Psi-Jack> Hehe, yeah.
[14:58] <ali1234> esprissive?
[14:58] <ali1234> something like that
[14:58] <Psi-Jack> Espresso is correct.
[14:58] <ali1234> when you use that, you have to reflash it every time you rebuild your app
[14:58] <Psi-Jack> YEah, Espresso was the next one I was going to look into if I didn't like the Lua stuff.
[14:58] <ali1234> the sdk is hard to use
[14:59] <ali1234> there is also micropython
[14:59] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. Well, in that case, yeah, micropython or arduino.
[14:59] <Psi-Jack> I either want a language I know, or a language I want to learn. hehe. C++ and NodeJS I want to learn.
[15:01] <ali1234> also https://mongoose-os.com/
[15:01] <ali1234> lua is weird on an 8 bit micro
[15:01] <ali1234> it has a lot of gotchas
[15:01] <shauno> there was a cp/m port recently too ..
[15:01] <ali1234> you might not hit them if you don't know embedded programming
[15:01] <Psi-Jack> shauno: Wow, really?
[15:01] <ali1234> but for example, you can't rely on timer roll over being sensible
[15:02] <Psi-Jack> ali1234: Yeah, it's been about 15 years since I did embedded programming
[15:02] <Psi-Jack> And back then, I used some really god awful C-varient that was state-machine based.
[15:02] <ali1234> see https://github.com/hackhitchin/esp8266-co-uk/issues/2
[15:02] <ali1234> especially my comment :)
[15:05] <Psi-Jack> Hah, funny. I flashed it, hit the reset, and I see NodeMCU 0.9.6 build 20150627 powered by Lua 5.1.4, lua: cannot open init.lua.
[15:05] <ali1234> that is normal
[15:05] <ali1234> you write init.lua yourself
[15:06] <ali1234> that is your app :)
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[15:06] <ali1234> since there is not one, you should get a lua prompt instead
[15:06] <Psi-Jack> Heh, yeah, but I do a basic test and type on the > prompt, print("Hello world"), and get nothing.
[15:06] <brainzap> you can programm nodemcu from arduino
[15:06] <ali1234> i can't remember about that
[15:06] <ali1234> i think print() does not work
[15:07] <Psi-Jack> brainzap: Yeah, that's re-flashing with Arduino firmware.
[15:07] <ali1234> you need to use some other function instead
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[15:07] <ali1234> try some of the nodemcu examples
[15:08] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, like wifi.setmode(wifi.STATION), I enter that (with local Echo enabled) and so far, nothing..
[15:09] <Psi-Jack> Though, hmm, I didn't really use the luatool to push this.
[15:09] <redrabbit> i have a small iot lamp with a node mcu, it controls a 3 color led
[15:09] <Psi-Jack> But, basically the Lua prompt, I'm getting nothing besides the boot message and a prompt that seems not to do anything.
[15:09] <redrabbit> was fairly easy to modify the code
[15:10] <redrabbit> however i'm trying to use some NRF24L01 and now i'm sweating bullets
[15:11] <redrabbit> no pinout on the board and its not standard
[15:11] <Psi-Jack> I'm going to try to build the latest NodeMCU 2.0.0
[15:12] <redrabbit> firmware flash?
[15:12] <Psi-Jack> Yeah.
[15:12] <redrabbit> i have to flash mine as well it still emits the default AI_THIKNER ap
[15:13] <redrabbit> have you used it as it is ?
[15:13] <Psi-Jack> I tried, but couldn't get anything from Minicom
[15:14] <Psi-Jack> I'd do a reset while Minicom ws up, and get garbage only, no prompt.
[15:14] <redrabbit> https://nodemcu.readthedocs.io/en/master/en/flash/
[15:14] <Psi-Jack> Once I flashed the latest Dev binary as-is, it worked that far, got a Lua prompt, but still nothing else.
[15:14] <redrabbit> are you using this / which software ? lots of choice
[15:14] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, I was using this: http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/10/29/getting-started-with-nodemcu-board-powered-by-esp8266-wisoc/
[15:15] <Psi-Jack> But, I'm looking into alternatives as well, like the NodeMCU builder. :)
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[15:15] <Psi-Jack> nodemcu-build.com
[15:15] <redrabbit> http://www.instructables.com/id/Quick-Start-to-Nodemcu-ESP8266-on-Arduino-IDE/?ALLSTEPS < this worked for me
[15:16] <redrabbit> i changed their code a bit to control 3 leds instead
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[15:16] <redrabbit> took me under 2hours total, no trouble
[15:16] <Psi-Jack> heh
[15:16] <redrabbit> its still the stock crap firmware but it works
[15:17] <redrabbit> at least its satifying
[15:17] <Psi-Jack> Yea, but the Arduino stuff just replaces Lua with C++ Arduino stuff.
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[15:19] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty! Got a NodeMCU 2.0.0 build.
[15:19] <ali1234> hmm 4.11.y is just plain broke
[15:21] <ali1234> hmm i wonder...
[15:21] <redrabbit> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HLB1yC9pGXXXXXaoXXXXq6xXFXXXo/205957859/HLB1yC9pGXXXXXaoXXXXq6xXFXXXo.jpg oh my
[15:21] <redrabbit> this is quite nasty to change pinouts between same kinds of chips
[15:21] <redrabbit> :(
[15:22] <redrabbit> no wonder why it was getting hot when i plugged it x)
[15:22] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
[15:22] <redrabbit> at least i plugged it off immediately, no damage done i hope
[15:25] <Psi-Jack> Well, that didn't go so well, just flashed it again, and now the blue LED on it is jsut non-stop fluttering, and minicom is streaming garbage. heh
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[15:27] <Psi-Jack> Recoverable though, re-flashed the previous one, and that worked.
[15:29] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, wierd, again with the garbage from a final build version from nodemcu-build. :/
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[15:32] <Psi-Jack> Aight... Gonna try Arduino methods then.
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[15:36] <SirLagz> anyone have issues with bluetooth keyboards/mouse and the Pi 3? mine doesn't seem to like it
[15:36] <SirLagz> pairs up fine, but constantly dropping out
[15:39] <SirLagz> never mind. I dumb.
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[15:44] <ali1234> BurtyB: okay confirmed, 4.10.y and 4.11.y are busted and cannot boot over the network or rpiboot
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[15:44] <ali1234> 4.9.y is the last version that works
[15:45] <Lartza> 4.9 is what the foundation is developing currently afaik
[15:45] <ali1234> they have a 4.11 kernel too
[15:45] <Lartza> so not that unexpected
[15:45] <Lartza> Well of course, they always have had newer kernels in the git too
[15:46] <Lartza> 4.11 isn't even released yet so assuming it will work is kind of premature
[15:46] <ali1234> it does work though
[15:46] <ali1234> just not if you try to netboot it
[15:46] <Lartza> so it doesn't fully work
[15:46] <ali1234> yeah
[15:46] <Psi-Jack> Okay.. NOW that I'm in the dialout group.... heh
[15:47] <Psi-Jack> Arduino is actually working to flash now. heh
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[16:18] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty.. I got a very basic webserver running on my HiLetgo module, to turn on/off an LED. heh
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[16:20] <Psi-Jack> And at 115200 (not 9600), I can watch it from serial. heh.
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[17:01] <gordonDrogon> redrabbit, electricity travels a foot a nanosecond ;-)
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> but as long as the magic smoke is still inside, you're in with a chance ...
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[17:04] <jancoow> Hi there. I've bought 4 network IP camera's with a recorder box
[17:05] <jancoow> This all works well, can see the camera's and record them in a crappy web application (which only works in IE..)
[17:05] <jancoow> I want to display 4 camera's on my tv in the kitchen with a raspberry pi
[17:05] <jancoow> But i'm unable to find any suitable software
[17:06] <jancoow> The camera's are full HD and have support for: http:80 , rtsp:554, onvif;8999 hik:8000 xm:34567
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[17:07] <redrabbit> gordonDrogon: i unplugged like 1 minute after pluggin tops
[17:07] <redrabbit> i plugged the module to an uart interface
[17:08] <redrabbit> i get the "Ai-Thinker Technology Co. Ltd. ready"
[17:08] <redrabbit> it was hot to the touch but not burn your fingers hot and no smoke/no odor no visible damage
[17:08] <redrabbit> it seems like its working from the uart output
[17:09] <redrabbit> doesnt take input but that could be my setup
[17:09] <Psi-Jack> Well, I am starting to get the hang of this. Just wrote my own custom code to read from a photosensor in the Arduino IDE, and it's working. hehe
[17:09] <redrabbit> i have something like that to switch on a light bulb in the bathroom
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[17:10] <Psi-Jack> Hehe.
[17:10] <redrabbit> i want to replace the board with some npn or pnp
[17:10] <redrabbit> and add light detection
[17:10] <Psi-Jack> I was just tinkering with a WiFi.server to turn on/off an LED, and report the value of the light sensor.
[17:11] <redrabbit> Psi-Jack: i have something like that with an ESP and 3 color led
[17:11] <redrabbit> i can turn on / off each color
[17:11] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[17:11] <redrabbit> im a super noob with the stuff though
[17:11] <redrabbit> i almost burned an esp yesterday
[17:11] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I am more noob with this stuff.
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[17:12] <redrabbit> i used the nRF24L01 with the esp
[17:12] <redrabbit> :D
[17:13] <redrabbit> by the way trying to make nRF24L01 .. ouch
[17:13] <redrabbit> i mean its harder to get them to work than the rest.. so far it has been painless, but the nRF24L01 .. i followed the whole how to : nada
[17:14] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[17:14] <Psi-Jack> Now I need to figure out how to turn on the internal LED when the WiFi is connected.
[17:15] <Twist> redrabbit: those nRF24L01 were nice for a while, but with the esp8266 so cheaply available, I don't think they make sense anymore.
[17:15] <redrabbit> i got the long range modules
[17:15] <redrabbit> so they make sense for long range
[17:15] <Twist> What's the range? I haven't looked back at them in a while.
[17:16] <redrabbit> 1100M Los
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[17:16] <Twist> that's decent
[17:18] <redrabbit> Psi-Jack: flashing the 2.0 firmware worked?
[17:19] <Psi-Jack> redrabbit: Nope. I'm using Arduino stuff right now on it.
[17:19] <redrabbit> heh
[17:19] <Twist> woah
[17:19] <Psi-Jack> I don't know Lua anyway, so this was a good quick starter.
[17:19] <redrabbit> yes
[17:19] <Twist> wemos has some new d1 mini variants.. a lite at $3 each
[17:19] * Twist jitters
[17:20] <redrabbit> "need"
[17:20] <Twist> Stop buying shit, twist.. you have plenty of hardware lying around.
[17:20] <redrabbit> need
[17:20] <redrabbit> i have a wemos pro and regular as well
[17:20] <redrabbit> still in their pouch
[17:20] <redrabbit> need a proper iron to solder the breakouts
[17:21] <Psi-Jack> heh
[17:21] <Twist> A few of us at the hackspace did a small bulk buy of d1 minis last year
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[17:21] <Psi-Jack> That, redrabbit, is one thing I do have. A nice soldering iron, variable temp, and multiple tips.
[17:21] <redrabbit> neat
[17:21] <Twist> There are probably a couple dozen still in bags at the space
[17:21] <redrabbit> i'm waiting for a cheap regulated from ali
[17:21] <redrabbit> it has multiple tips as well
[17:22] <redrabbit> atm i have a fat tipped unregulated
[17:22] <redrabbit> its made in eu though
[17:22] <redrabbit> but for fine stuff, no way
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[17:23] <BurtyB> ali1234, :/
[17:24] <Psi-Jack> hehe yeah.
[17:24] <Psi-Jack> I've had to use my iron to fix capacitors in monitors, so, I made sure to have one always. :)
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[17:25] <redrabbit> programming the ESP-01 is harder that i thought
[17:25] <Psi-Jack> I think my next module purchase is going to be something ESP-32 based, because, Bluetooth 4.2. :)
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[17:32] <Chillum> redrabbit: Using the esp-* modules directly is tricky
[17:32] <Chillum> as they need support hardware like a 3.3V regulator
[17:32] <Chillum> I tend to develop on a wemos d1 mini and only use the modules for when it is going on one of my PCBs
[17:32] <redrabbit> i think i need a proper 3.3 psu
[17:33] <redrabbit> powered from the uart to usb > fail
[17:34] <Chillum> most serial<->usb chips provide a 3.3V rail but only at low current, like 50mA
[17:34] <Chillum> it is only meant for logic signals and some LEDs
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[17:35] <Chillum> a common source of frustration
[17:40] <Psi-Jack> okay. That is bass-ackwards. :/ The D0 built-in LED, turns ON when you set it to LOW, off when you set it HIGH. WTF. heh
[17:41] <Chillum> that is because it is used for serial
[17:41] <Chillum> and serial is inverteed
[17:41] <Psi-Jack> Ahh. Interesting.
[17:41] <Chillum> ie serial is high when idle and low when transmitting
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[17:42] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm... And now I'm having communication issues trying to reflash, while it's LOW. heh
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[17:45] <Psi-Jack> There we go. :)
[17:46] <Psi-Jack> So, I thought I was gonna be smart and use the built-in LED for WiFi status.. but, seems like that's not going to be very useful if it's tied in with the serial like that.
[17:46] <Psi-Jack> Oh, Well, nevermind, seems to be working now.. Wierd.
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[17:50] <Chillum> Psi-Jack: I don't remember how, but I think there is a way to disconnect the serial and use them like regular GPIOs
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[18:05] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. Well, I don't know what my earlier problem was, but my serial went wonky when I set the D0 pin to LOW. I unplugged it and plugged it back in and now, no problem.
[18:06] <Psi-Jack> Now, the built-in LED comes on while WiFi is connected, turns off when I kick it off the AP, and turns back on when it comes back.
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[18:08] <Psi-Jack> But, still, when I try to reflash it again, errors again, so yeah, hmm. Unplug, replug, can flash again.
[18:09] <Psi-Jack> I guess I won't use its built-in LED for that. WOnder if I can control the ESP8266 blue LED instead.. :)
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[18:31] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty. Time to learn C++. Just got the kindle edition Programming: Principals and Practice Using C++ 2nd Edition. heh
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[18:59] <kaosine> Psi-Jack: let me know if they're decent. Anything has to compared to Tony gaddis's XD
[18:59] <Psi-Jack> Heh, well, apparently this is like the #1 book for C++, created by the creator of C++. heh
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[19:05] <ShorTie> things change over time though
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[19:09] <Psi-Jack> Well, the book covers C++11 and C++14, so that seems pretty current.
[19:10] <Twist> Ehh, the important thing is just to focus on one language long enough to become fluent/proficient
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[19:18] * stiv recommends learning something about data structures as well as a language
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[19:46] <jancoow> Hi there. I'm trying to network boot my custom made image, but everything is failing.
[19:46] <jancoow> It stops after it received bootcode.bin
[19:46] <jancoow> When I try the bootcode.bin from another image it loads more files (and the kernel) but it isn't booting
[19:46] <jancoow> It should be booting in ram
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[19:52] <jancoow> Could someone help me further with this?> It's really important.
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[19:57] * gordonDrogon ponders... custom image ... network boot ... try bits from another image ... Hm... I suspect you're sliding down the bleeding edge of the precipice there...
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[19:59] <jancoow> yup
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[20:06] <jancoow> If I boot from the sdcard everything is working fine
[20:06] <jancoow> but not the network boot..
[20:06] <jancoow> It simply stops after receiving the bootcode.bin
[20:08] <jancoow> lf I copy the bootcode from another imge (where network boot works) it stops after receiving the start.elf and fisup.dat
[20:08] <jancoow> fixup*
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[20:14] <mnemonic> gordonDrogon: hi, are you using raspbian without systemd?
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> mnemonic, yes.
[20:15] * hmoney gasps
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[20:15] <mnemonic> can you tell me what are the advantages? how much free RAM you got?
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> it's not about advantages or otherwise. it's about choice.
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[20:17] <mnemonic> indeed, but how much RAM you got free?
[20:18] <mnemonic> the system is more light?
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea. I've never checked. hang on.
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> total used free shared buffers cached
[20:18] <hmoney> we need more light
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> Mem: 445084 259620 185464 236 28152 198856
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> -/+ buffers/cache: 32612 412472
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> that's a Pi 0W.
[20:19] <hmoney> mr. fancy pants with his 0w
[20:19] <JakeSays> heh. this looks like fun: https://github.com/abarth/tau
[20:19] <mnemonic> gordonDrogon: nice, i could try it too
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[20:21] <gordonDrogon> hmoney, I've got a few here. and an orgiginal zero or 2. I don't have a zero with camera though. must have missed out on that one.
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[20:21] <gordonDrogon> also got a bunch of now completely redundant A+'s )-:
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> might give them away at some point. I sold a couple of zeros a few weeks ago.
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[20:26] <hmoney> the zero v1.2 (no cck) wasnt out for very long
[20:27] <hmoney> i still have one im using as a pihole with usb to eth
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[20:27] <hmoney> i bought one of the pinoIR v2 cameras and a couple led's and i was thoroughly disappointed with it
[20:28] <hmoney> 1. the range of focus is very small, 2. i couldnt get the ir lights to work (although i only tried with motioneyeOS)
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[20:31] <hmoney> damn, 2 inches of rain in the past 12 hours in dallas
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[20:33] <gordonDrogon> mnemonic, http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> mnemonic, however I don't know if there are systemd dependancies on the foundations GUI/Pixel, etc. I don't use it, so don't know.
[20:34] <mnemonic> gordonDrogon: i will check, thanks
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> you still have libsystemd though, that's bee in since wheezy though.
[20:38] <mnemonic> i was looking for RAM usage with and without systemd
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[20:58] <mfa298> mnemonic: for a minimal install there's probably little difference in memory use between systemd and sysvinit.
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[20:59] <mfa298> looking at my Pi1B that's got systemd and a few bits of my code running it's only at 43MB used.
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> if you really are looking at that level of savings for a projects, then maybe the Pi isn't the right device.
[20:59] <mfa298> that would probably be less if I killed my runnint applications
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[21:02] <mfa298> it could be argued that systemd might give a more useful low memory setup as some things (such as getty's) are only stated when you change to that vty. although I doubt that saves much ram.
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[21:09] <ali1234> my systemd ramdisk is 43MB...
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[21:28] <nealshire> all the raspi model 3B needs to work is 5v 2.5A power input right?
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[21:30] <nealshire> I don't need an sd card for it?
[21:31] <mfa298> nealshire: you'll need something to store the OS which will normally be an SD card
[21:32] <nealshire> bah!
[21:32] <nealshire> won't work off a flash drive?
[21:32] <nealshire> I thought it had flash memory
[21:32] <mfa298> (otherwise you'll be using the experimental USB/Network boot which still needs an SD card to intiially enable)
[21:32] <nealshire> micro or regular sd
[21:33] <Reedy> micro for 3B
[21:33] <nealshire> thx
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> the compute modules have on-board storage, but their type escapes me right now.
[21:33] <mfa298> No standard Pi has onboard flash ram (the only ones that do are soem of the compute modules - but then you'll know you're using one of those)
[21:33] <mfa298> might be eMMC on the CMs,
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[21:35] <nealshire> well I'll just use this as an excuse to upgrade my phone's SD card. got 7.5gb of music on an 8gb card >_<
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[22:17] <phil42> nealshire: there is a way to boot from thumb drive with no sd card present but i have never done it, one of my pi is currently running from a thumb drive after booting from sd
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[22:18] <nealshire> I'm just going to use my phone's old sd card
[22:18] <phil42> that is the easiest way
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[23:06] <RukusX7> anyone know of some good baselines to start with, when overclocking pi 2?
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[23:18] <Psi-Jack> Rukus: My initial thoughts would be... Common sense v1.0. Don't do it.
[23:19] <kerio> honestly, just rely on the automatic overclock
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[23:19] <TheButterZone> why do i get a @ when i type " at command line in jessie
[23:20] <Psi-Jack> TheButterZone: Raspbian? Seems to be some keyboard mapping issue.
[23:20] <kerio> what's your keyboard layout?
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[23:20] <mfa298> TheButterZone: probably mismatch between keyboard and keyboard mapping
[23:20] <TheButterZone> in what universe is the at symbol keymapped to quotes
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[23:20] <TheButterZone> hp sk-2023
[23:20] <mfa298> When you use a US keyboard with a UK keymap setup (or vice versa)
[23:20] <Rukus> Psi-Jack: theres no such thing as common sense when it comes to a $35 computer. But thanks for your opinion
[23:21] <Psi-Jack> Rukus: Actually, there is.
[23:21] <Rukus> ???
[23:21] <kerio> today, TheButterZone learned that there are keyboard layout other than the US one ;o
[23:21] <mfa298> My @ symbol in in the right place above the ' key, with " above the 2 key :)
[23:21] <TheButterZone> i selected the us keyboard layout
[23:21] <TheButterZone> fucking ignored
[23:21] <kerio> rekt
[23:21] <kerio> is this in X11
[23:21] <kerio> or in the vconsole
[23:21] <mfa298> TheButterZone: please read the rules regarding acceptable language
[23:21] <Psi-Jack> TheButterZone: There is, in my understanding anyway, a language policy here.
[23:21] <Rukus> Psi-Jack: its your opinion, you're welcome to it, but you care less to answer my question, but to tell me your opinion?
[23:21] <kerio> i believe X11 needs an extra setxkbmap
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[23:22] <TheButterZone> the sudo raspi-config console after first run
[23:23] <kerio> hm, did you reboot?
[23:23] <Rukus> anyway, i just modelled something against my rpi3 overclock settings
[23:24] <TheButterZone> trying now
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[23:25] <Rukus> TheButterZone: i just had the same problem, was solved by selecting us / us layout
[23:25] * Rukus shrugs
[23:25] <TheButterZone> reboot fixed, thanks
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[23:25] <Rukus> oh ok
[23:25] <Rukus> yeah thats always helpful
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[23:26] <kerio> i mean there's no real reason why it should be needed
[23:26] <Rukus> when in doubt, be on latest update and reboot
[23:26] <kerio> it's just that raspi-config has been written to require reboots after setting stuff
[23:27] <Rukus> when using raspbian, iguess there is two places you can use to set keyboard layout
[23:29] <Psi-Jack> Huh. Interesting. I had the same issue when using my RPi3, keyboard layout, didn't even think about the en_GB vs en_US. Makes sense now, though I rarely use the actual console, mostly SSH in.
[23:29] <Rukus> using pinn, i'm not sure how to change the layout
[23:31] <redrabbit> /etc/default/keyboard
[23:31] <Psi-Jack> As for X, /etc/default/keyboard, you can set the XKBLAYOUT there.
[23:31] <redrabbit> XKBLAYOUT="gb"
[23:32] <Rukus> awesome thanks
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[23:43] <Rukus> seems better performance is achieved pushing the ram over pushing arm
[23:44] <Rukus> neat.
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[23:44] <kerio> who knew you could get such an improvement just by swapping two letters :^D
[23:45] <Rukus> haha
[23:45] <Rukus> i havn't won yet tho
[23:46] <Rukus> you really dont get the same gains on a pi 2 like the pi 3 does
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[23:46] <redrabbit> without serious cooling it throttles super quick anyway
[23:47] <Rukus> ah
[23:47] <redrabbit> when you overclock (anything)
[23:47] <Rukus> what overrides that? the set cpu tempo limite glag (whatever its called) ?
[23:47] <Rukus> omg
[23:47] <Rukus> set cpu temp flag
[23:48] <Rukus> temp_limit
[23:48] <redrabbit> you shouldnt mess with it
[23:48] <Rukus> i won't
[23:48] <Rukus> i dont have warranty anyway
[23:48] <Rukus> so, either way
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[23:49] <Rukus> i have my pi poorly mounted for proper cooling anyway
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