#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2017-04-05

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:07] <ice303> thank you plum. Will check that one out.
[0:07] <ice303> https://www.amazon.com/Zebra-Case-Raspberry-Black-Included/dp/B00M6G9YBM
[0:07] <plum> no problem!
[0:07] <plum> i almost want to get a fan for my case like that but i don't use it enough as is
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[1:02] <redrabbit> can i power the orange pi zero from pin 1 and 2 on the 1x13 header ?
[1:02] <redrabbit> http://linux-sunxi.org/Xunlong_Orange_Pi_Zero
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[2:11] <remote> hi
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[2:13] <drjam> ho
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[2:17] <remote> what's needed to handle audio input in real time with an RPi?
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[2:17] <ShorTie> usb sound card
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[2:28] <remote> that's what I've been using
[2:28] <remote> what would be the easiest way to reproduce that in a more integrated way?
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[3:00] <nealshire> my raspi 3B came in, itsays it has wifi and bluetooth but I don't see any antennas?
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[3:01] <binaryhermit> There's a really small one where the leds were on the b+ and 2b
[3:01] <binaryhermit> Just trust me that it's there
[3:01] <leftyfb> nealshire: https://i.stack.imgur.com/koc0a.jpg
[3:01] <nealshire> wow thats crazy small
[3:02] <nealshire> I'm used too 1x1 inch foil antennas in laptops
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[5:02] <ShanShen_pi> Darn. Odo was cool.
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[5:16] <redrabbit> yeah, you can power the orange pi zero from pin 1 and 2 on the 1x13 header
[5:16] <redrabbit> im glad it worked
[5:16] <redrabbit> space saved vs micro usb connector
[5:21] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[5:28] <redrabbit> also window + rpi0 + wlan + camera + psu + tack glue pads = win
[5:28] <redrabbit> component directly, no cases at all
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[6:10] <oq> redrabbit: http://frederickvandenbosch.be/?p=2445
[6:10] <redrabbit> neat but it doesnt include the psu
[6:10] <redrabbit> and you cant change angle
[6:10] <redrabbit> makes me a sad bunny
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[6:11] <redrabbit> nice, short cable and all. very cleab
[6:11] <redrabbit> n
[6:13] <redrabbit> for the holes tbh id have drilled with a wood bit
[6:13] <redrabbit> a low speed
[6:14] <redrabbit> that lettuce i inhaled must have gone to my head
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[6:56] <Psi-Jack> Anyone here using Homebridge at all, for HomeKit integrations? I've never been able to get it to show any accessories since I started trying to use it thus far, and it's annoying me to death. heh
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[7:02] <Psi-Jack> Oh.. Wait.. Wow. it's finally doing something, I had to remove it and re-add it.
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[7:29] <leochang> exit
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[7:47] <Psi-Jack> Yes! I finally got Homebridge working, with sensors at least. Heh
[7:47] <Psi-Jack> I'm surprised by the difference between Door and ContactSensors though. ContactSensor just shows if it's open or closed. Door allows you to toggle the state, and a positional point reference, between 0 and 100.
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[7:55] <brianx> good news Psi-Jack
[7:55] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[7:55] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. Pretty cool stuff. I got the garage door sensor code working with HomeKit.
[7:56] <Psi-Jack> I can't /do/ anything with it yet, but I have a relay switch coming soon to be able to actually control the garage door.
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[7:56] <Psi-Jack> I gotta say.. Mongoose OS by Espressif is pretty sweet.
[7:57] <brianx> i had to pause in my project to help a remote coworker get serial console figured out. turned out that he damaged the gpio for serial. :-(
[7:57] <Psi-Jack> Oooh..
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[7:57] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, My I2C lux sensor comes in tomorrow. So I'll have something new to play with.
[7:57] <brianx> lots of docs written though. i always forget just how complex my firewall is.
[7:57] <Psi-Jack> heh
[7:58] <brianx> i have a bunch of i2c adc modules. completely uncalibrated, but i can use an led as a light sensor with one.
[7:58] <Psi-Jack> Now I'm just trying to figure out if my HomeKit server (Apple TV 4th Gen), is going to properly tell me what the status of my Garage door is.
[7:59] <brianx> add an opamp and it actually gives a pretty good range.
[7:59] <Psi-Jack> Aha! It DOES work!
[7:59] <brianx> :)
[7:59] <Psi-Jack> So, with HomeKit integration, remote notification and control works. :D
[7:59] <Psi-Jack> And this is all purely with MQTT stuff.
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[8:00] <brianx> isn't it sacrilege to use apple products with raspberry pi?
[8:00] <Psi-Jack> The "accessories" are all going to be using MQTT protocol over TLS.
[8:00] <Lartza> apple and raspberry pie sounds nice though
[8:00] <Psi-Jack> I wouldn't think so. The Pi is just a computer.
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[8:00] <Psi-Jack> hah
[8:00] <brianx> does sound tasty
[8:01] <brianx> the epitome of closed ecosystems with the epitome of open ecosystems.
[8:01] <Psi-Jack> Heh. I wonder how hard it'll be to try to integrate an actual sensor for when the garage door is actually fully open or not.
[8:02] <Psi-Jack> Or if not, how painful it might be to put in a timer for it, if it would cause issues, or be interuptable. heh
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[8:02] <brianx> i played with a door sensor awhile ago. on the model i was using there are contacts that close at each end of door travel.
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[8:03] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Yeah, I could do something exactly like that, even with reed switches if need-be.
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[8:03] <brianx> i assume it was all 5v, but never actually put a meter on it. (goal was fixing a sensor that turned out to be a loose connection on the controller board.
[8:03] <Psi-Jack> But for the fully open state, I'm thinking a lever style where the top of the garage actually pushes it to close a circuit might be best.
[8:04] <brianx> if the contacts are really running at 5v, just use a bigish resistor divider and you get 3.3v logic out from them.
[8:04] <Psi-Jack> Right now, I'm just using a simple magnetic reed switch.
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[8:05] <brianx> you must have some sort of input that you're feeding that into.
[8:05] <Psi-Jack> Yep.
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[8:05] <brianx> why not use the existing sensors and feed their output into the input?
[8:05] <Psi-Jack> I have GPIO-14 reading pulled up, and just reading the state.
[8:05] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[8:06] <brianx> those sensors have to work or the opener doesn't work so they're known reliable.
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[8:06] <Psi-Jack> Interesting point. :)
[8:06] <Psi-Jack> That, and I'd actually be able to read actual state possibly, not just assume.
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[8:07] <Psi-Jack> Like, what if the garage door was closing, but someone tripped the safety beam causing it to re-open.
[8:07] <Psi-Jack> Right now, I wouldn't even be able to know the difference.
[8:08] <brianx> yep, but the door sensors know.
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[8:09] <brianx> put a meter on them and see what voltage they use. 5v or maybe 12v are likely. a 5v to 3.3v converter is just 3 equal resistors of around 1k to 5k each. 2.2K or 3.3K is pretty ideal is you have them.
[8:09] <Psi-Jack> I will have to look into this. :)
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[8:10] <Psi-Jack> That, and I could get a down-step leveler.
[8:10] <brianx> is there a whole pi sitting with the opener, or are you using something like an esp8266?
[8:10] <Psi-Jack> This is an ESP8266 with Mongoose OS I'm tinkering with at my desk so far.
[8:11] <brianx> perfect.
[8:11] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[8:11] <Psi-Jack> The Pi will be somewhere else acting as the central hub for everything.
[8:12] <brianx> the controller is likely 5V and you could steal power from it, then run a buck or a ldo to get your 3.3v
[8:12] <Psi-Jack> heh
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[8:13] <brianx> no need for a fancy power supply from 110v or anything.
[8:13] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I will certainly be checking on that. Especially since I do have a garage door control button I intent to reverse engineer a little.
[8:14] <Psi-Jack> Perhaps tap into the wires that connect to that to provide power for the ESP
[8:14] <Psi-Jack> If that's how it's powered. Which I'm guessing it is.
[8:14] <brianx> your reed relay solution put in parallel with the real button is just about perfect already. no need to have something special out at the button.
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[8:14] <Psi-Jack> The only concern I see over that is.. That's also where I will be putting the relay switches to control the door itself.
[8:15] <brianx> unless this is a fancy modern opener with brains n lots of buttons at the open/close button.
[8:15] <Psi-Jack> Possibly the light as well. :)
[8:15] <Psi-Jack> It's a single button for the garage to open/close, a lock toggle, and a light toggle.
[8:15] <Psi-Jack> Light, I assume is just shorting to trigger the light effect.
[8:16] <brianx> ok, so a bit fancy. :-(
[8:16] <Psi-Jack> Yes.
[8:16] <brianx> is it 2 wires back to the main unit, or more?
[8:16] <Psi-Jack> It's the Chamberlain.
[8:16] <Psi-Jack> I think... 2 wires?
[8:16] <Psi-Jack> I'll go double check.
[8:17] <brianx> ouch. 2 wires and multiple services means some sort of signaling beyond open/closed on the 2 wires.
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[8:17] <Psi-Jack> Yep. It's 2 wire. heh
[8:18] <brianx> that means you gotta find the protocol and implement it.
[8:18] <brianx> i have a water heater that is two wire control and like 4 buttons, 2 leds and 1 7 segment leds.
[8:18] <Psi-Jack> hehe yep.
[8:18] <brianx> i was never able to find the protocol.
[8:19] <Psi-Jack> Chamberlain you can pretty much get good schematics for.
[8:19] <brianx> good
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[8:19] <brianx> hopefully it's just timing. human speeds means the button was pressed. really short once means toggle the light or something like that.
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[8:20] <IanTLopp> trying to decide if the pi Zero can play all scummvm games smoothly.
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[8:22] <oq> IanTLopp: I would hope so, my old windows mobile 5 pda could
[8:22] <IanTLopp> it'll be a couple of weeks before I can test - just nice to know
[8:22] <oq> from ~8 years ago
[8:24] <IanTLopp> dang
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[8:24] <IanTLopp> ever play The Dig?
[8:25] <oq> yeah
[8:25] <oq> didn't get very far iirc
[8:25] <IanTLopp> *blinkblinks*
[8:25] <IanTLopp> that was my favorite point and click adventure game
[8:25] <IanTLopp> I've played it way too many times... want to play it again.
[8:25] <oq> I was always more of a monkey island type of guy
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[8:26] <IanTLopp> huh.
[8:26] <IanTLopp> I always preferred the slightly more serious fare - KQ series, PQ, etc..
[8:27] <IanTLopp> I'd LOVE to see The Dig redone as a fps VR game with no interface.
[8:27] <IanTLopp> i.e. no hud.
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[8:28] <IanTLopp> anyway. apparently I'm much more tired than I thought, so I'm gonna hit the hay.. ttyl, thanks again.
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[8:29] <Psi-Jack> Oooh
[8:29] <Psi-Jack> And when I'm ready for it, oshpark.com prints PCB's. :)
[8:29] <Psi-Jack> And reasonably priced!
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[8:31] <brianx> yeah, lots of choices in speed and price.
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[8:34] <Psi-Jack> Hehe.
[8:34] <Psi-Jack> And by using HomeKit integration, Siri instantly just works. :)
[8:35] <Psi-Jack> Still need to finish the MQTT parts of the core module, especially to receive the signals to open/close/etc, and trigger what it needs to trigger, and after that, Alexa integration via MQTT
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[8:37] <brianx> ahh, hence the apple integration.
[8:37] <Psi-Jack> That too. I prefer HomeKit because of the security requirements of the protocol.
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[8:38] <Psi-Jack> Course, with Homebridge in play, I suspect I'll need to investigate into that to see it it happends to use any of the expected secure protocols for things.
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[8:40] <brianx> all kinda off to the side for my interests.
[8:40] <Psi-Jack> Hmmmm... This may pose a problem I didn't think about.
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[8:41] <Psi-Jack> My garage door uses the "Security+" protocol, meaning the button actually sends data through the wire.
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[8:42] <brianx> i did recently discover that cmu sphinx can be used to do keyword detection, but alexa's AVS api terms and conditions prohibits using it.
[8:42] <Psi-Jack> heh
[8:43] <brianx> so, you are going to have to insert your commands into a button module. make it think the actual button has been pressed.
[8:44] <brianx> siri, alexa and ok google all want to use proprietary closed source code that listens all the time for the keyword detection.
[8:45] <brianx> they require us to trust that they're not doing anything with this access to every spoken word in our homes and probably the tv or radio channel or even the mp3 we happen to be playing too.
[8:47] <brianx> cmu sphinx is entirely open and a side benefit is you get to choose any key phrase you want for activation.
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[8:48] <nacelle> like, say, "Computer"
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[8:48] <Psi-Jack> Well, I need sleep. It's beyond time. :)
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[8:53] <brianx> goodnight Psi-Jack
[8:54] <brianx> nacelle: alexa now has "Computer" as an optional activation word
[8:54] <brianx> "Computer" is too common a word around this house, "Computer please" would work much better for me.
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[10:06] <aZz7eCh> noob question buttttt.... php/sqlite3/raspberrypi, trying to import 25,000 minimal records to a sqlite database. the csv file is 2.6mb in size. i seem to be hitting an endless loop. that never finds the end of the csv file. Could I be out of ram or soemthing due to some default setting ?
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[10:06] <aZz7eCh> i cant imagine 2.6mb of data would be too much for any pi
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[10:07] <brianx> it's not. first guess would be a bug in your python importer code.
[10:08] <brianx> or php
[10:08] <aZz7eCh> yes. as i've been presuming for 3 hours now :P
[10:09] <aZz7eCh> trying to implement sqlite instead of mysql for the first time ever. my gosh, the tweaking.
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[10:10] <brianx> well, import small blocks and see where it fails.
[10:11] <brianx> your bug could be that the data is not handled correctly and a misplaced quote or something is blowing things up.
[10:12] <brianx> a 25k record sqlite database should work reasonably well out of the box with no adjustments.
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[10:15] <aZz7eCh> yeah cut ti down good test okay.
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[10:16] <aZz7eCh> and okay yeah i might start butching columns out also ... maybe isolating one by one will shed a clue
[10:16] <Habbie> 25k is nothing, indeed
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[10:16] <aZz7eCh> kk
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[10:26] <mozak> hi is having common ground bad? can i just use those 1 direction diods if its bad?
[10:26] <mozak> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Power-Module-Buck-Converter-Step-Down-Module-60V-55V-48V-36V-24V-To-12V-5V-Dual/32704088818.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.74.c3SOiP&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10065_10068_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10103_10102_10096_10148_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10143_10084_10083_10119_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_130_10037_10032_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_1
[10:26] <mozak> 0123_10120_10124-10120,searchweb201603_4,afswitch_1_afChannel,ppcSwitch_4,single_sort_0_default&btsid=13777b84-526b-43d8-bcf4-af32e7cff42f&algo_expid=803ffa85-0d42-4d79-b5f9-2c1ac5e9357f-8&algo_pvid=803ffa85-0d42-4d79-b5f9-2c1ac5e9357f
[10:26] <mozak> lol this link is super big
[10:26] <mozak> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Power-Module-Buck-Converter-Step-Down-Module-60V-55V-48V-36V-24V-To-12V-5V-Dual/32704088818.html
[10:27] <mozak> here normal link ^^^ anyway i need 12v and 5v supply and i think this little thingy is eazyer then to use 2 step downs
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[10:44] <aZz7eCh> this is heartbreaking... so i'll point out another quirk that i'm noticing incase you guys recognise it as a clue ... despite all my efforts to double re triple check my code, and tweek it more and more ... it seems ... every single time i run it ... it gets approx ... 6000-6270 records in and just .... nothing after that. could it be that my tab / browser session is timing out before it completes its task? It really is randomly stopping 600
[10:44] <aZz7eCh> 0-6300 records in, on completely different lines with zero in common
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[10:49] <mfa298> if you're doing it throguh a web server then there could well be some timeout in the webserver
[10:49] <mfa298> if it's a one-off import job doing it throguh a web browser feels like the wrong way
[10:50] <aZz7eCh> nah it will be the constant way, yes through web ...
[10:50] <petn-randall> Well, specifically mod_php has a timeout setting.
[10:50] <aZz7eCh> can i specify it in php.ini i wonder.
[10:50] <aZz7eCh> goes googlin
[10:51] <petn-randall> aZz7eCh: I'd take a look at the relevant PHP logs if that happens.
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[11:14] <skyroveRR> Hey guys, how fast is the compile time of rpi 3 compared to the pi 1 B+ model?
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[11:15] <Habbie> skyroveRR, http://lifehacker.com/how-the-raspberry-pi-3-benchmarks-against-older-models-1762417275
[11:16] <skyroveRR> That one doesn't show me the "compile" time, it's just a random benchmark test.
[11:16] <Habbie> sure
[11:16] <Habbie> but 'compile' is too generic a question
[11:16] <skyroveRR> Compiling some big stuff like the kernel, for example.
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> compiling the kernel is also heavily I/O limited
[11:18] <aZz7eCh> brianx, mfa298, habbie, petn-randall, so i reduced all columns to two basic text ones as the only thing being read from csv, written to sqlite. it does this but keeps bombing out randonly around 6000 records in. So i have butchered the source CSV down to 3000 lines ... and voila - away EVERYTHING goes like its suppose to *cringe
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> in any case it doesn't matter
[11:18] <ali1234> kernel compile isn't a generic question, it is a clearly defined thing
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> it's faster.
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[11:19] <ali1234> on my system it takes about 4 minutes to build the default configuration
[11:19] <ali1234> but that is an i7 with 32GB ram and an ssd
[11:19] <skyroveRR> I'm saying ON THE rpi.
[11:20] <ali1234> yeah that takes a stupidly long time no matter what type you use
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> skyroveRR: why
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> to what end
[11:20] <skyroveRR> HrdwrBoB: eh?
[11:20] <skyroveRR> What do you mean "to what end" ?
[11:20] <ali1234> why do you not just cross compile it?
[11:20] * petn-randall *cough*crosscompile*cough*
[11:21] <petn-randall> aZz7eCh: So that proves that there's a timeout that needs fixing.
[11:21] <brianx> aZz7eCh: so possibly corrupt or invalid data past record 3000
[11:24] <aZz7eCh> quick way to sanitise ?
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[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> skyroveRR: what are you doing with this information
[11:25] <petn-randall> aZz7eCh: Delete it and start over. The process was terminated or killed.
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[11:26] * BurtyB would guess at less days than it takes on the original Pi B
[11:26] <skyroveRR> HrdwrBoB: I'd like to just compare...
[11:27] <BurtyB> so get to it :) and come back next week with your data ;)
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[12:13] <hypermist> is there any rasp pi compatible cheap IR receivers for remotes ?
[12:14] <mozak> hypermist, https://es.aliexpress.com/store/product/1LOT-Infrared-IR-Wireless-Remote-Control-Module-Kits-DIY-Kit-HX1838-For-Arduino-Raspberry-Pi/1916536_32764360470.html
[12:14] <mozak> this meybe?
[12:15] <hypermist> rather not have to solder stuff hehe :)
[12:15] <mozak> does anyone know can you build apps for other arhicecture like x86 from rpi or do i must use x86 ?
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[12:16] <vktec> mozak: If a cross compiler exists, you can
[12:16] <vktec> You can certainly cross compile from x86 to ARM, so I don't see why not the other way
[12:16] <mozak> ok will goole it later dont need it atm
[12:16] <vktec> What distro you using? Raspbian?
[12:16] <mozak> hypermist, what solder stuff it only has 3 wires you can connect
[12:17] <mozak> atm yes raspbian
[12:17] <hypermist> not when its a pi0 haha
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[12:17] <mozak> hypermist, https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/gpio-hammer-header
[12:18] <mozak> no solder :)
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[12:18] <mozak> in futrue was planing to try void-linux
[12:18] <hypermist> blah male ones are outta stock
[12:18] <hypermist> xD
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[12:22] <vktec> Gah, I can't seem to find a browsable Raspbian package index. Sorry mozak. Try running something like ''apt-cache search gcc | grep 86'' and see if anything pops up
[12:23] <mozak> will later atm i am on desktop
[12:23] <mozak> but ty
[12:24] <oq> hypermist: https://thepihut.com/products/gpio-hammer-header-solderless?variant=28950933073
[12:24] <vktec> Gotcha
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[12:36] <hypermist> yea oq i seen already :D
[12:38] <hypermist> now i gotta save money -.-
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[12:47] <aZz7eCh> another noob question i might be overlooking ... is read/write on my pi's microsdcard likely much slower than a USB2 stick plugged in ?
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[12:49] <amigojapan> about how long will sudo apt-get upgrade take? I am doing it to make sure i have hte latest software to run my RPI III official display
[12:49] <vktec> aZz7eCh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Speeds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#USB_2.0
[12:49] <vktec> amigojapan: Depends how much software there is to upgrade and how fast your internet is
[12:49] <amigojapan> vktec: ok, so it is not a complete install? good
[12:50] <vktec> You can estimate it from the download size shown before you confirm you want to go through with the upgrade
[12:50] <vktec> amigojapan: Correct. It'll only upgrade software that's out of date
[12:51] <amigojapan> good good vktec , ty,
[12:51] <vktec> Make sure you ''sudo apt-get update'' beforehand, so your system knows the latest versions of everything
[12:51] <amigojapan> vktec: already running upgrade :(
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[12:51] <vktec> Okay. It'll probably be fine if you updated your lists recently
[12:52] <amigojapan> vktec: will killing the process do any harm?
[12:52] <vktec> I'd let it complete
[12:52] <amigojapan> ok vktec
[12:52] <amigojapan> ty for your help vktec
[12:53] <vktec> Fixing incomplete installs on Debian is a pain. I'd avoid that risk if you can :P
[12:53] <amigojapan> vktec: just cant wait to hook up the touchpad, I have been wating forever for it to arrive, it did not arive soon do to many mixups
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[12:53] <vktec> :)
[12:54] <franckapik> HI!
[12:54] <amigojapan> vktec: yeah, I just wonder if it would be faster to burn the latest Raspbian on my computer rather than waiting for the RPI to try to do everything by itslef
[12:54] <vktec> amigojapan: Nah, it'll be faster to upgrade
[12:54] <amigojapan> ah ok vktec ty
[12:54] <vktec> franckapik: Hello!
[12:54] <vktec> amigojapan: np. Happy to help :)
[12:54] <franckapik> i have a problem using a relay... When i execute a script, the relay works durings few second and then stop
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[12:55] <franckapik> i don't think this is a problem of my python script
[12:55] <vktec> You mean a hardware relay?
[12:55] <franckapik> but maybe a problem of voltage, because i use the gpio for the alimentation of the relay ...
[12:55] <franckapik> yes !
[12:56] <vktec> Mind posting your script?
[12:56] <franckapik> this one : https://www.sainsmart.com/arduino-pro-mini.html
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[12:58] <vktec> Oh, that's a 5V relay. You'll need to use some transistors to up the voltage from 3.3V to 5V before sending it to the relay.
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[12:59] <franckapik> but if i'm on rpi zero, i have a 5v Gpio?
[12:59] <vktec> Although there's a picture showing it directly hooked up to the Pi...
[13:00] <franckapik> here is the code : http://pasteall.org/338068/python
[13:00] <vktec> franckapik: I don't *think* the Pi0's GPIO is 5v. I'd expect it to be 3v3, just like all the other Pis
[13:01] <franckapik> vktec: that's strange because we see in all picture of gpio (google) 5v supply
[13:02] <vktec> There are 5v supply pins, but the actual IO pins are 3v3
[13:03] <drjam> <amigojapan> vktec: yeah, I just wonder if it would be faster to burn the latest Raspbian on my computer ---- actually for me it was faster to get the lastest raspian
[13:03] <drjam> but, I had a raspbian image from November 2016
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[13:03] <drjam> it took 4 hours to fully update on my ADSL here in austraya
[13:03] <vktec> drjam: :o
[13:03] <vktec> That's impressive
[13:03] <drjam> more of an ISP being dicks than antything else
[13:03] <vktec> Haha
[13:03] <franckapik> vktec: i don't understand what you say... :/
[13:03] <vktec> I know the feeling
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[13:04] <vktec> franckapik: The GPIO has 5v power pins, but the ones you can turn on and off are 3.3v
[13:04] <amigojapan> drjam: my internet is fast, aldo I instaalled it pretty recently using NOOBS
[13:04] <vktec> So you need to use transistors to drive stuff that needs 5v
[13:04] <drjam> vktec, doent it have a 5v and a 3.3 v?
[13:04] <vktec> It does
[13:04] <amigojapan> oh guys, while talkign abotu it uprage finished! :)
[13:04] <vktec> :)
[13:04] <amigojapan> vktec: do I need to do update too?
[13:05] <vktec> I'd do update and then another upgrade, just in case
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[13:05] <franckapik> ok, so i think that i can try to use a usb cable for example to supply the relay board
[13:05] <vktec> franckapik: For the relay's power, use a proper power supply or a battery
[13:05] <amigojapan> ok ty vktec
[13:05] <vktec> USB cables won't have enough amperage
[13:06] <franckapik> hum ok
[13:07] <franckapik> i have to find a 5v power supply
[13:07] <vktec> I doubt it needs 5v supply for the VCC
[13:08] <vktec> Just for the IN1 and IN2
[13:08] <vktec> Don't hold me to that though. The webpage is rather vague
[13:09] <amigojapan> ok vktec seems I am fully updated, now I will do the hardware part, and then it shoudl just work
[13:09] <vktec> :)
[13:09] <amigojapan> :)
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[13:18] <drjam> sounds cool
[13:18] <drjam> ill get to the hardware modding stage one day
[13:18] * drjam is jelly of you guyz
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[13:58] <amigojapan> let me get this right, the RPI cant swicth beterrn LCD and HDMI but it supports HDMI for some certain apps that support it? I think it should either be a second display or if this is hard, at bootup it shoudl see if HDMI is connected and if it is use HDMI if not LCD
[13:59] <oq> what is the difference between lcd and hdmi in your mind amigojapan
[14:00] <amigojapan> oq: well, when I am at home, I think I should be able to use my RPI on the TV and when I am out I shoudl be using the LCD 7” official display, just makes sence to me
[14:00] <oq> so when you say LCD you mean the dsi connector?
[14:00] <amigojapan> I have a more productive question than that, but let me get a proper keyboar hooked up to the RPI before I ask that one
[14:01] <amigojapan> oq: I suppose, I am not familliar with the term DSI, but yeah I hooked it up thru the ribbon cable to the display driver board
[14:01] <oq> amigojapan: I was a bit confused because most people connect to lcds through hdmi
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[14:02] <amigojapan> ah ok oq no, I am talking about the official 7 inch display
[14:02] <oq> I'm not sure how to use both dsi and hdmi output at the same sorry
[14:04] <vktec> I expect it's possible. Don't have a DSI display to try with though
[14:04] <amigojapan> oq: well, the websitess I see say that you can use certain apps that use the HDMI as a second display, but this is not the behaviour I want, if it can be a real second display then fine, if not, then let it just be HDMI only when HDMI is connected
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[14:05] <amigojapan> anyway, I have a more urgent question than that one, I tried many things and followed the instructions on websites, and I can display Japanese and change languages, but it wont let me type in Japanese, it wont start the IME, any idea how I can get that working?
[14:05] <vktec> If it shows up in xrandr, you can configure it to be an extended display
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[14:07] <Pymous> Heyyyyyy !
[14:07] <vktec> Not sure about the Japanese thing. I'd try looking for non-RPi specific guides. If it works on Debian or Ubuntu, it'll probably work fine on Raspbian too
[14:07] <vktec> Hi Pymous
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[14:09] <amigojapan> vktec: ok, I have used both raspbian and ubuntu, but in ubuntu when I switch the language to Japanese, it automatically enables Japanese input method, this shoudl also be the default behaviour in raspbian
[14:09] <Pymous> I have a little project of mine, and I'm just looking for a little help, is it feasable to use a RPi as a DHCP server using the USB? Let's say two laptop connect to the RPi using an usb port each, and get a proper DHCP from that ?
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[14:09] <vktec> amigojapan: Look for Debian guides or something then
[14:09] <vktec> Pymous: No
[14:09] <vktec> Use Ethernet
[14:09] <amigojapan> ok ty vktec
[14:10] <Pymous> vktec : Even if isc-dhcp-server support USB interfaces ?
[14:11] <vktec> Pymous: The Pi is a USB host, and so are laptops. I doubt it'll work
[14:11] <Pymous> Oh, I'm dumb
[14:11] <Pymous> There is an even easiest option
[14:11] <Pymous> Can I use the WiFi in such fashion ? Probably yes I guess
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[14:12] <vktec> Pi3?
[14:13] <Pymous> Yup
[14:13] <vktec> From a quick search, it seems to support hostapd so yes, that'll work
[14:13] <Pymous> Great, thanks
[14:13] <vktec> :)
[14:15] <amigojapan> vktec: by the way, no the HDMI display does not show up in xrandr
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[14:15] <amigojapan> vktec: even tried rebooting while it was hooked up
[14:15] <vktec> :-/
[14:20] <amigojapan> vktec: yay, I got Japanese input working, it was not that hard, just had to install ibus-mozk
[14:20] <vktec> :)
[14:20] <amigojapan> ibus-mozc*
[14:21] <amigojapan> vktec: ok, I am 90% satisfied :)
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[14:25] <radioslave> Anyone here made a Mopidy box on RPi 3, just want to check im not working against something futile here
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[14:26] <vktec> Not personally, but it shouldn't be hard. What issues are you running into?
[14:27] <radioslave> I've long been trying to use it as a Spotify Connect (specifically) box, but my device (Android) running Spotify can never find the device
[14:27] <radioslave> Im wondering if what i'm trying to do is even possible
[14:28] <radioslave> Basically allow anyone on the network use their iPhone or Android and use the Spotify app to cast it to the box and control the music
[14:29] <radioslave> I know it wasn't possible a few years back when i first looked at it because the Spotify Connect API wasn't available
[14:29] <vktec> Does Mopidy support that? iirc it's just an MPD server
[14:29] <radioslave> Yeah that's where the confusion is coming from
[14:29] <vktec> So you'll have to use an MPD client to control it
[14:29] <radioslave> there's a whole host of MPD servers but there's no clear yes or no in regards to it
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[14:29] <radioslave> There seems to be a way here: https://discourse.osmc.tv/t/howto-setup-a-spotify-connect-web-server-on-a-raspberry-pi-with-osmc/15818
[14:29] <vktec> Or run Spotify on the Pi
[14:30] <radioslave> Which requires you getting an App key which i've lodged a request for
[14:31] <radioslave> ah i never even really considered that
[14:31] <radioslave> flash a GUI and run a desktop version of spotify
[14:31] <radioslave> hmm
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[14:34] <amigojapan> vktec: just in case anyone asks, first install ibus-mosc then log out and in, then run ibuss-setup, then change the input method changing key combo to control+space, then change the default imput method to kana… and voila
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[14:35] <vktec> radioslave: Let me know how you get on :)
[14:35] <vktec> amigojapan: I'll make a note. Thanks :)
[14:35] <amigojapan> no problem vktec
[14:35] <amigojapan> vktec: mozc, not mosc sorry
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[14:37] * amigojapan is now a little nervous cause he is going to try powering the RPI and display with a portabel battery, I have a very powerful one (actually it can power my iphone for 4 consequtive days of heavy use) but the RPI touchscreen is already complainign of udnervoltage directly with the powerful charger I bought (I did nto buy the official one) but one that eceeded the specs
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[14:41] <amigojapan> I bought this battery, I am about to test it, wish me luck
[14:42] <amigojapan> ok, it is booting, that is a good sign
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[14:42] <amigojapan> great got x running!
[14:42] <amigojapan> now let me play a youtube video using my battery
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[14:43] <amigojapan> hmmm, now that I think about it, there is no speaker in there :/
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[14:44] <amigojapan> now it is just a matter of either calculating how long it will last, and aalso testing to see how much it actually lasts in use
[14:44] <amigojapan> lol, the audio went thru the HDMI out!
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[14:47] <amigojapan> yeah lets dum it down to 85% satisfied, that may go down if the battery does not last long….. my dissatisfactions is only#1 you cant use HDMI out when you are home as normal display #2 no sound….
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[14:50] <amigojapan> ok, I was at least able to watch youtube, altho with no sound except from HDMI
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[15:01] <radioslave> any free alternatives to Exagear to run x86?
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[15:07] <shiftplusone> radioslave: you could roll your own.
[15:07] <shiftplusone> radioslave: it uses wine and chroot underneath
[15:08] <radioslave> Actually, seems like it's unnecessary now that Spotify have a linux version
[15:08] <radioslave> gonna try it this way
[15:08] <shiftplusone> likely to be quite a pain in the neck
[15:09] <ShorTie> is there a device tree for the serial port ??
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[15:10] <shiftplusone> device tree overlay? no, it's on by default. There might be one to disable it or switch them.
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[15:12] <ShorTie> switch them ??
[15:12] <spacework> Hello. We are using a raspberrypi to show a webpage. The thing is, after a few weeks the sd-card gets screwed and the pi will not boot (can't find root partition). We have disabled all logging and everything else that could write data to the card.. well most at least. The setup is NOOB with pixel desktop, running firefox with a kiosk addon. Could it be overheated maybe? (not overklocked, but it is i
[15:12] <ShorTie> i need ttyS0
[15:12] <spacework> nside a box with a TV)
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[15:12] <shiftplusone> there are two serial peripherals which can be exposed, the default one that's used depends on the model. Don't remember which is which off the top of my head.
[15:13] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[15:13] <ShorTie> Thankz .. :)~
[15:14] <leftyfb> spacework: you should try screenly, fullpageos or info-beamer on your pi
[15:14] <leftyfb> spacework: also, does the pi get powered off without a proper shutdown within those few weeks?
[15:17] <radioslave> spacework what sort of content are you showing
[15:17] <radioslave> I worked for months on a similar solution until I found Dakboard
[15:19] <leftyfb> radioslave: I find dakboard very limited. It's only good if all you want it the weather and some rss feeds
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[15:46] <spacework> leftyfb: it might have been because of power outage
[15:47] <leftyfb> spacework: it most certainly was
[15:47] <leftyfb> spacework: try some of the options I posted above. They're made for your purposes and might do a better job of dealing with power outages and even be easier to manage
[15:47] <spacework> I have been using rpi at home without noticing much problems with power on/off by pulling cable
[15:48] <leftyfb> spacework: then you have been lucky
[15:48] <spacework> ok, I'll look in to them
[15:48] <spacework> tnx
[15:48] <leftyfb> pulling the power cable on a pi running the OS is BAD
[15:50] <spacework> ywah I know it is, but since I haven't got any issues at home I did not think that would be the case here either.
[15:51] <ali1234> spacework: do you work for nintendo?
[15:51] <leitmedium> A friend of mine built this. Got quite some buzz today https://jann.is/lego-macintosh-classic/
[15:51] <leitmedium> Was nice seeing the progress over weeks
[15:52] <spacework> ali1234: no I work for a company that makes furnitures for IKEA
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[15:53] <leftyfb> wait, I thought the customers made the furniture from Ikea
[15:53] <leftyfb> :)
[15:53] <spacework> haha :)
[15:54] <BurtyB> lol
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[16:00] <ice303> One of my pi's is a first revision, 256mb ram and it has damaged 3 SD cards already because of power outages.
[16:02] <leftyfb> the model of pi doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter that it was a raspberry pi. An sd card running a Linux OS and losing power without a proper shutdown will have a very good chance of corrupting your OS or damaging the sd card
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[16:04] <mnemonic> leftyfb: physical damage or data damage you means?
[16:05] <ice303> in my case , all the 3 sd cards were damaged.
[16:05] <leftyfb> I have seen multiple reports here where the sd card itself was damaged to the point of not being able to be formatted or detected anymore. Could have been due to a cheap sd card and just the act of running an OS on it was enough to take it out. I have also experienced this myself with a few cheap sd cards I got from wish.com.
[16:06] <ice303> i admit they were cheap cards
[16:06] <leftyfb> I don't buy the cheap ones anymore. It's not worth losing the data or spending the time rebuilding
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[16:30] <mnemonic> so, maybe can be better buy two 8GB instead 16GB sd card
[16:31] <mnemonic> or two 16GB instead one 32GB
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[16:40] <nacelle> i've had it happen with the pricey cards too
[16:41] <nacelle> I believe it boils down to the fact that the pi power supply's rated amperage _really_ matters when doing you're doing sd writes.
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[16:52] <ericus> did anyone try this case for RPI3? http://www.dx.com/p/black-sliced-9-layers-abs-case-for-raspberry-pi-3-2-model-b-455453
[16:53] <ericus> It says Raspberry Pi 3 / 2 Model B
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[16:53] <Chillum> I used the older version of that
[16:53] <ericus> does not fit quite well, or maybe I'm assembling it totally wrong
[16:53] <Chillum> the older version would not fit the pi 2 unless I modified it., looks like they have updated it for the newer models
[16:54] <Chillum> I had an issue where it was pushing against a capacitor and had to cut a small area out
[16:54] <Chillum> not my favourite case
[16:54] <ericus> I had to carve out small pieces from the second layer
[16:54] <nacelle> i've not needed a fan on any of my pis
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[16:54] <nacelle> i've considered putting heatsinks on the usb ports on one of them
[16:55] <nacelle> and did on another, for a while, for little difference
[16:55] <nacelle> tiny little flash drives get very hot :(
[16:56] <Chillum> unless you run them at 100% always you won't benefit much from cooling
[16:56] <Chillum> but they do slow down with heavy use without it
[16:56] <nacelle> (the ones that are barely larger than a usb-A plug, those flash drives get toasty.)
[16:56] <Chillum> like if you run at 400% CPU for hours at a time
[16:56] <Chillum> ya, my 64GB usb memory dongle gets hot enough to hurt
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[17:02] <hypermist> i hate that my room has 2 plug sockets
[17:02] <hypermist> for the whole room xD
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[17:03] <ericus> I've got too many of them in every room
[17:03] <ericus> almost
[17:04] <hypermist> i need moar
[17:04] <hypermist> but i dont own this house nor am i an electrican
[17:04] <hypermist> nor do i wanna touch 240v lol
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[17:29] <ericus> Chillum, is was trying to assemble the case wrong...
[17:29] <ericus> It fits perfect
[17:29] <Chillum> nice
[17:29] <Chillum> it is a bit of a puzzle isn't it
[17:29] <Chillum> I broke down and spent $20 on a nice aluminum case
[17:29] <Chillum> for the one I carry around
[17:31] <ericus> I have some small heatsinks available that I would be able to cut into smaller, fitting pieces
[17:31] <ericus> but what would I use to attatch it?
[17:32] <ericus> is there adhesive cooling paste these days?
[17:32] * ericus is old
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[17:34] <leftyfb> ericus: what do you plan on doing with your pi that you think requires the use of heatsinks?
[17:34] <ericus> leftyfb, nothing right now, but in case I would need it
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[17:36] <geordil> hello everyone
[17:37] <geordil> I'm working with a raspberrypi/brickpi for a school project and I'm struggling wtih some simple stuff. I was hoping I could get some help
[17:38] <geordil> I don't know if anyone is familiar with the brickpi here, but I'll post the code anyway.
[17:38] <Chillum> ask away
[17:39] <geordil> so I just want to make this motor run until the sensor value is 1020
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[17:40] <geordil> from BrickPi import *
[17:40] <geordil> import curses, time
[17:40] <geordil> BrickPiSetup()
[17:40] <geordil> BrickPi.SensorType[PORT_4] = TYPE_SENSOR_EV3_TOUCH_0
[17:40] <geordil> BrickPiSetupSensors()
[17:40] <geordil> BrickPi.MotorEnable[PORT_D] = 1
[17:40] <geordil> stdscr = curses.initscr() #initialize the curses object
[17:40] <geordil> curses.cbreak() #to get special key characters
[17:40] <geordil> stdscr.keypad(1) #for getting values such as KEY_UP
[17:40] <geordil> key = ''
[17:40] <geordil> while key!= ord('q'):
[17:40] <geordil> key = stdscr.getch() #get a character from terminal
[17:40] <geordil> BrickPi.MotorSpeed[PORT_D] = 0 #first setting all speeds to zero
[17:40] <geordil> stdscr.refresh()
[17:40] <geordil> result = BrickPiUpdateValues()
[17:40] <geordil> if not result:
[17:40] <geordil> if key == curses.KEY_LEFT :
[17:40] <geordil> BrickPiUpdateValues()
[17:40] <geordil> button_value1 = BrickPi.Sensor[PORT_4]
[17:40] <geordil> if button_value1 < 1020:
[17:40] <geordil> BrickPi.MotorSpeed[PORT_D] = 255
[17:40] <geordil> if button_value1 > 1020:
[17:40] <geordil> BrickPi.MotorSpeed[PORT_D] = 0
[17:40] <geordil> elif key == curses.KEY_RIGHT :
[17:40] <geordil> BrickPi.MotorSpeed[PORT_D] = -255
[17:40] <geordil> ot = time.time()
[17:40] <geordil> while(time.time() - ot < (1.00)):
[17:40] <geordil> BrickPiUpdateValues() # Ask BrickPi to update values for sensors/motors
[17:41] <geordil> time.sleep(.1)
[17:41] <geordil> time.sleep(.01)
[17:41] <geordil> a lot of this is just hacked together from examples. I'm familiar with matlab, but not so much python
[17:41] <Chillum> dude
[17:41] <Chillum> use pastebin
[17:41] <Chillum> don't post code int he channel please
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[17:41] <geordil> you guys should put that in the rules
[17:41] <Chillum> that is standard on all of IRC for decades
[17:41] <leftyfb> it's common courtesy
[17:42] <Chillum> no worries, just do it that way in the future
[17:42] <leftyfb> geordil: you are probably better off in #python since your question is really about python, not so much the pi specifically
[17:42] <geordil> right on, thank you
[17:42] <Chillum> unless you are having a hardware issue
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[17:42] <geordil> https://pastebin.com/tPs4hVaR
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[17:49] <ali1234> geordil: you need to enable curses no-blocking mode
[17:50] <ali1234> even then it still won't work but you will be closer
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[17:56] <geordil> ali1234: how do I do that and/or where can I learn these things?
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[17:57] <ali1234> stdscr.nodelay(1)
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[18:31] <svm_invictvs> What's the latest raspberry pi?
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[18:34] <brianx> the most recently released pi is the zero w.
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[18:34] <svm_invictvs> zero w?
[18:34] <svm_invictvs> I've got a first gen pi stitting on my desk, heh
[18:34] <svm_invictvs> So I haven't touched it
[18:34] <svm_invictvs> I'm gonna take a wild ass guess and guess that the "W" is for "WiFi"
[18:34] <brianx> another new version of the pi zero, this one with wifi.
[18:34] <svm_invictvs> heh
[18:35] <svm_invictvs> But you've gotta soldier on the GPIO right?
[18:35] <svm_invictvs> **solder
[18:35] <svm_invictvs> (can't spell today)
[18:36] <brianx> the zero w runs just fine with the headers not installed.
[18:36] <svm_invictvs> I mean, I want to use those ports :)
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[18:36] <svm_invictvs> No adc, though right?
[18:37] <brianx> you can also solder direct to the holes to use the gpio header.
[18:37] <svm_invictvs> Yeah
[18:37] <brianx> correct, no pi has internal adc. external ones are readily available cheaply though.
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[18:38] <svm_invictvs> Yea
[18:38] <svm_invictvs> And that goes right into the GPIO
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[18:38] <svm_invictvs> oh shit
[18:38] <svm_invictvs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/232160496454?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
[18:38] <svm_invictvs> haha
[18:38] <svm_invictvs> first google hit, even two channel
[18:38] <brianx> ads1115 is the one i have used.
[18:39] <brianx> it's 4 channel, or 2 differential channels.
[18:39] <svm_invictvs> Yeah
[18:40] <svm_invictvs> I'm looking for a way to measure temperature and water flow
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[18:42] <svm_invictvs> If I make it that far without blowing up my garage first :)
[18:42] <svm_invictvs> lol
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[18:43] <brianx> plenty of thermometers with a digital interface. and I'm not familiar with any flow sensors that arr not digital interfaces.
[18:43] <svm_invictvs> Yeah, water flow sensors may be a pulse counter
[18:44] <brianx> that's common.
[18:44] <svm_invictvs> I haven't fiddled with one
[18:44] <svm_invictvs> Basically it's a fan speed sensor, only water proof
[18:44] <brianx> that is one kind.
[18:44] * svm_invictvs is purely speculating
[18:44] <svm_invictvs> Paddle wheel transducers
[18:44] <svm_invictvs> That's what my boat has ><
[18:44] <svm_invictvs> lol
[18:44] <svm_invictvs> And it's such a pain in the ass.
[18:45] <svm_invictvs> "How fast are we going?" Oh I have no idea because it's been 24 hours since the paddle wheel was cleaned.
[18:46] <brianx> ahh, poorly designed or built sensor.
[18:46] <svm_invictvs> It just gets jammed up by whatever marine life makes the sensor its home. So it'll work for like 3 days after the diver visits the boat. Part of has to do with the climate and the water temperature. It was a poor choice of sensor for where this boat lives.
[18:47] <brianx> I'd expect a pressure differential type to be more reliable on a boat.
[18:47] <svm_invictvs> yeah
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[18:48] <svm_invictvs> brianx GPS also works and has the added benefit of not requiring you drill a hole in the bottom of the boat.
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[18:49] <brianx> sorta works, yeah. gps error values give position jumps that are not in sync with reality.
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[18:50] <stiv> maybe a little copper paint to repel marine organisms...
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[18:50] <svm_invictvs> can't pain the sensor
[18:50] <svm_invictvs> stiv THe good stuff is lead paint mixed with antibiotics, but that shit is super illegal
[18:51] <brianx> or silver plate.
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[18:51] <Azulflame> are we talking about paint to disentice marine life from eating a RPi?
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[18:51] <svm_invictvs> Yes
[18:51] <svm_invictvs> Azulflame I got us off topic
[18:52] <brianx> a sensor that could be hooked to a pi.
[18:52] <Azulflame> if it involves a pi...
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[18:52] <stiv> copper paint is readily available in marine supply stores.
[18:52] <Azulflame> what about embedding it in something too large to eat? Like a large rock
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[18:52] <Azulflame> that'll be good for a few hundred years, in which time the Pi would be dead before it was eaten
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[18:54] <modles> hello
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[18:54] <modles> is availability of Zero W ever going to improve? can i consider using it in production applications?
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[18:56] <Azulflame> probably not going to improve unless you talk to the foundation about a contract and/or continued production
[18:57] <modles> out of interest why is that?
[18:57] <modles> pi3 availability always seems good
[18:57] <Azulflame> the Pi 1/2/3 is the flagship and is contracted to outside companies to produce
[18:57] <Azulflame> the 0w is the first Pi made and manufactured solely by the Foundation, and depends on nobody else
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[18:58] <Azulflame> so you have A) first time manufacturers ironing out all the kinks and B) the reason for the 0 and 0w were to make this stuff accessable to new people and pique interest
[18:58] <modles> ok
[18:58] <modles> makes sence
[18:59] <modles> closest i can find is something like this… https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Orange-Pi-Zero-H2-Quad-Core-Open-source-512MB-development-board-beyond-Raspberry-Pi/32761500374.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.ZO6yEA&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10103_10102_10096_10148_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10143_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_1011
[18:59] <modles> eeek sorry
[18:59] <Azulflame> I'd love for them to amp up production. I'm looking to buy probably 50+ of them for a project, but don't want to pay microcenter's $20per once you get 6+ of them
[19:00] <Azulflame> modles, that link is an utter abomination
[19:00] <modles> im so sorry
[19:00] <Azulflame> 4 lines on my client
[19:01] <Azulflame> what kind of project are you looking at building?
[19:01] <modles> its a project we are currently running on 3's just looking at reducing costs.
[19:01] <modles> meshed network sensor array
[19:02] <modles> using OSLRD / BATMAN mesh
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[19:03] <modles> Nano Pi Neo Air looks interesting too
[19:03] <Azulflame> I have a SBC chart bookmarked on my desktop, most of which have continued production
[19:03] <Azulflame> but I"m not on my Desktop
[19:05] <mfa298> modles: I think part of the aim of the Pi zero is to get something useable out to the masses as close to *zero* cost as possible
[19:06] <mfa298> I think the aim is to reduce/remove the limits once production exceeds demand, but that may take some time.
[19:07] <modles> yeah i just cant rely on that happening i guess
[19:07] <Azulflame> the demand is high, and like I said, this is the first Foundation-alone product
[19:07] <Azulflame> so that'll be a while
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[19:07] <modles> i think the NanoPi NEO Air is the winner for me. has ufl connector built in
[19:07] <mfa298> the issue with most of the other SBCs is ongoing support/production, The RPF have said they'll try to keep production/support for things as long as there's demand
[19:08] <Azulflame> or they'll tool it up for the Zero 2 whenever it comes out, and we'll be left waiting for the new one
[19:08] <BurtyB> demand for the W doesn't seem as high as the zero was when it released though
[19:09] <Azulflame> the MicroCenter near me brought in 200 Ws and sold out within 5 days
[19:10] <Azulflame> and this was the 3rd or 4th restock
[19:10] <Azulflame> demand is fairly high compared to production
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[19:57] <ngc0202> is it safe to power my rpi3 from the wall with a phone charger?
[19:58] <eliudnir> does the charger output match specifications ?
[19:58] <Azulflame> yes, given that's it's a 5V charger
[19:58] <Azulflame> it won't harm the Pi to have less than enough current, but it may not boot if the current is too low
[19:58] <eliudnir> Azulflame, you mean it's not gonna double down if I apply 10V?
[19:59] <Azulflame> if you apply 10V it'll short out and fry
[19:59] <eliudnir> i thought you get double memory and cpu speed etc.
[19:59] <eliudnir> :(
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[19:59] <Azulflame> if you give it 5V20ADC, it'll pull 5V2ADC or so, but won't cause damage
[20:00] <Azulflame> safe is under-voltage, over-amperage
[20:00] <mfa298> ngc0202: as long as the phone charger can supply 2A and not drop the voltage below 5V then you're probably ok, If it can't do the pi may work but the data on the SD card might become corrupt
[20:00] <Azulflame> under-amperage and under-voltage may not give it enough to boot. Over-voltage will fry it, but over-amperage does nothing
[20:01] <Azulflame> although if over-amperage is a concern from a phone charger, you have a beast of a phone
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[20:02] <ngc0202> Output: 5.3V 2.0A
[20:03] <ngc0202> is that ok?
[20:03] <Azulflame> that's fine
[20:03] <mfa298> 5.3V might be a tad high for the Pi3, although chances are the Pi3 won't see it quite that high
[20:03] <ngc0202> how much over is overvoltage?
[20:03] <Azulflame> as long as it's DC. If it's AC, you're gonna get nothing but problems
[20:04] <Azulflame> pretty sure that the pi doesn't have a rectifier on it.
[20:04] <ngc0202> I assume it's DC. It doesn't look like it says though
[20:04] <Azulflame> if it's USB, it should be DC
[20:04] <Azulflame> does it have a straight line wiht a few dots/dashes below it, or a squirrely line like ~ on the charger?
[20:04] <ngc0202> yes
[20:04] <Azulflame> should be a small picture not far from the output
[20:04] <ngc0202> I was just googling the dash with dotted line under it hehe
[20:04] <ngc0202> I thought it might mean DC
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[20:05] <Azulflame> it does
[20:05] <Azulflame> the ~ (sine wave) means AC
[20:05] <mfa298> I think the safe voltage range is 4.75-5.25V
[20:05] <Azulflame> I'm of the opinion that you should plug it in and test for us
[20:05] <Azulflame> but it's not my hardware
[20:07] <ngc0202> it's brand new hehe
[20:07] <ngc0202> and it's running fine right now out of my laptop USB port so maybe I'll leave it at that
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[20:08] <mfa298> I'm not sure I'd trust a laptop USB port to provide enough power for the Pi3
[20:09] <mfa298> what's the red led doing ?
[20:09] <ngc0202> yeah I was having troubles powering the rpi1 with it
[20:09] <ngc0202> but it's running great right now
[20:09] <ngc0202> i'm in LibreELEC
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[20:09] <ngc0202> red light is solid
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[20:09] <Azulflame> the Pi will boot while undervoltage, but the SD card has a high chance of corrupting if you are undervoltage
[20:09] <mfa298> wow, I was expecting it to be off or flashing lots
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[20:13] <ngc0202> I couldn't find the power specs for the USB port in the specs for my laptop
[20:13] <ngc0202> but the one it's plugged into they call a "Charging port"
[20:13] <Azulflame> strip a spare USB cable and attach a voltmeter
[20:14] <ngc0202> ehh
[20:15] <Azulflame> that's how you find out
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[20:20] <ngc0202> I don't even think I have a spare cable around
[20:20] <brianx> 2.0A rated phone chargers are way too often 0.7A chargers with the label changed. either test or use a reliable supplier.
[20:21] <ngc0202> I trust the one I got from Samsung
[20:21] <Azulflame> but tablet chargers / QuickCharge chargers are usually 2.1A+
[20:21] <ngc0202> it's pretty fast
[20:21] <brianx> 2.0A is pushing it with a 3b if anything else is attached.
[20:21] <Azulflame> depends of in you are running anything
[20:22] <Azulflame> 2A is usally no problem
[20:22] <brianx> my samsung quick charger is very fast but only 1.5A at 5V. it's fast because it has a high voltage mode.
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[20:23] <brianx> it won't boot a 3b.
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[20:25] <ngc0202> alright
[20:25] <ngc0202> I plugged it in with the wall charger and it's working fine
[20:25] <ngc0202> hasn't fried my board yet
[20:26] <Azulflame> thanks for being the tester
[20:26] <ngc0202> ^^
[20:26] <Azulflame> I'd advise against overclocking
[20:26] <ngc0202> I've been using the first version rpi ages
[20:26] <ngc0202> I don't need the rpi3 to be any faster haha
[20:26] <Azulflame> the 1?
[20:26] <ngc0202> it's still blowing my mind
[20:26] <ngc0202> yes
[20:26] <Azulflame> cool. I'm looking at picking up another 50 or so of the 0w or the 3 for a camera system
[20:26] <Azulflame> maybe 100
[20:26] <Azulflame> not sure yet
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[20:27] <ngc0202> haha, damn
[20:27] <Azulflame> it's not cheap, but it is the cheapest solution
[20:28] <Azulflame> most of the way done coding the stuff anyway
[20:28] <ngc0202> what sort of camera system?
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[20:28] <Azulflame> security PZT camera setup
[20:29] <Azulflame> needs to cover a lot of ground
[20:29] <kerio> how do you do the pantilt
[20:29] <Azulflame> Motors on the GPIOs
[20:29] <kerio> neat :o
[20:30] <Azulflame> next step involves hardening 100+ raspberry pis from outside monitoring that isn't us
[20:30] <Azulflame> that's gonna be a pain
[20:31] <Azulflame> probably just gonna setup a script that ssh's to all the pis and runs a command. Call it "ssh-all", and just $ssh-all apt-get remove apt-get
[20:32] <[ill]will> im 12 what is this
[20:32] <Azulflame> define 'this'
[20:33] <[ill]will> swears mister
[20:33] <Azulflame> "shit" is defined as "feces"
[20:33] <mfa298> ngc0202: USB2 is normally 500mA, but if it's called a charging port it's likely designed to provide more than that (hence why the Pi would be happier)
[20:34] <Azulflame> mfa298, still, I'd hook up a mutimeter and check it out
[20:34] <Azulflame> but be careful to not short it
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[20:34] <brianx> Azulflame: family friendly please.
[20:35] <Azulflame> got it
[20:35] <mfa298> you can't really test the current from a USB port safely
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[20:35] <brianx> mfa298: why can't you?
[20:35] <Azulflame> hook up a large resistor to a stripped USB cable and toss in an Ammeter
[20:36] <Azulflame> or attach a USB to an USB extender and check the amperage in the wire
[20:36] <Azulflame> planty of ways
[20:36] <ericus> is it possible to boost the tx power with iw set reg BO?
[20:36] <mfa298> if you're sticking a resistor in there then that will limit the current
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[20:36] <Azulflame> ericus, you mean the Wifi strength?
[20:36] <Azulflame> mfa, you want the resistor to not short the port, and the anmeter to measure how much is available
[20:37] <Azulflame> just hooking up an ammeter will short your port if you have nothing else attached
[20:37] <brianx> mfa298: an adjustable current load is plenty easy to find or make.
[20:37] <ericus> I have this sick wifi-card, but it does not work anymore :(
[20:37] <mfa298> Azulflame: if you stick a 10R resistor over the USB port and measure the current through it you'll get 0.5A it's called ohms law. but that doesn't mean that's what the port can provide
[20:38] <brianx> Azulflame's resistor approach also works within some limitations. many supplies shut down when overloaded.
[20:38] <mfa298> you'll also want a fairly chunky resistor as it'll be disappating a lot of heat (compared to most resistors)
[20:38] <Azulflame> or, if you have it, a resistor with a heatsink
[20:39] <Azulflame> if you really want ot know, stick a potientiometer on there, hook up an ammeter, and turn the knob until you hear a "pop"
[20:39] <Azulflame> then you know how much the port used to be able to handle
[20:40] <brianx> ports are current limited. so are most chargers. overloading them either causes voltage to droop or the supply to turn off.
[20:40] <Azulflame> only when implimented properly. Which not all of them are
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[20:41] <mfa298> the most useful test for running the Pi would be havign two meters, measure the current throguh the Pi and watch the voltage at the same time.
[20:42] <mfa298> if the voltage starts to dip too far not what the current is and don't go over that
[20:43] <brianx> mfa298's solution is quite practical and easy.
[20:43] <brianx> an adjustable current sink is the best answer but more trouble than mfa298's answer.
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[20:56] <brianx> something like https://www.aliexpress.com/item//32778782212.html combined with something like https://www.aliexpress.com/item//32762641983.html
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[20:59] <Smeef> What do I need to connect this to a Pi via USB? http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/mikroelektronika/MIKROE-241/1471-1158-ND/4495523
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[21:00] <Smeef> I'm assuming those 4 wires don't just go straight to a USB connector
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[21:00] <smdeep_> Can any one suggest an alternative to DHT22, I have two measuring in the same room with one reading 74% humidity and the other 68% humidity
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[21:01] <ali1234> smdeep_: BME280
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[21:02] <smdeep_> ali1234, Thanks, they are expensive, will get one and check
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[21:02] <leftyfb> Smeef: you'll probably need to do some research into how that thing should be wired. I doubt very much it's USB. It probably requires some sort of driver board
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[21:06] <smdeep_> ali1234, how about the BMP180?
[21:06] <ali1234> sure, if it does what you want
[21:06] <ali1234> the point is they are all i2c, so much easier to use
[21:06] <brianx> Smeef: you'd need an adc board like an ads1115 (mentioned earlier today here) and 2 resistors of about 500 ohms.
[21:06] <smdeep_> ali1234, Ok.
[21:07] <Smeef> leftyfb, brianx, thanks
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[23:04] <geotoad_> Any advice on how to configure boot option for PiTFT to choose pitft or hdmi?
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[23:31] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/rpi-ramdisk
[23:37] <oq> ali1234: got any prebuilt images?
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[23:39] <thecha> hi i want to make my rpi3b the center of a home automation center
[23:40] <thecha> what can be done in this direction?
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[23:42] <oq> thecha: openhab?
[23:43] <leftyfb> you're severely limiting yourself if the pi is the "center"
[23:43] <thecha> i see
[23:43] <leftyfb> the pi(openhab) can add lots of features, but it can't do everything
[23:43] <thecha> ty
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[23:44] <leftyfb> thecha: for my house, I have a Samsung Smartthings, Harmony hub and amazon echo
[23:44] <leftyfb> to be honest, I haven't come across something yet that I need openhab for. Though I do have plans, right now I can everything without it
[23:46] <thecha> lefty you have three systems?
[23:46] <leftyfb> they serve different purposes
[23:47] <thecha> so how does amazon echo work?
[23:48] <thecha> you walk by and it picks up on your devices bluetooth?
[23:48] <shauno> I'm going the opposite direction; not using anything that depends on someone else's services
[23:48] <thecha> shauno you are running your own infrastructure?
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[23:48] <shauno> insofar as 'infrastructure' is a single hp microserver, yeah
[23:49] <leftyfb> like right now, i'm about to leave. I tell Alexa "Computer, turn off my office". The lights will turn off using smartthings talking to the zwave light switch and zwave power outlets in the wall and turns off my lights and tv in my office. It also talks to the belkin power socket I have my monitors plugged into and turns off all my monitors. It also talks to the Hue bulb in my server closet and turns it on blue cuz it looks cool :)
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[23:50] <leftyfb> speaking of, I actually need to go
[23:50] <leftyfb> bbl
[23:51] <oq> shauno: hp microserver here too :D
[23:53] <thecha> you office has an on and off switch?
[23:53] <thecha> ttyl
[23:53] <thecha> how does a micro server stack up stats wise?
[23:55] <shauno> I think it's getting a little long in the tooth now. I went for the celeron instead of the xeon, so it's no speed demon either. but it's acceptably quiet, four drive bays, and two nics + iLO
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[23:56] <shauno> (and if you catch them during their cashback schemes, which seems to be 2-3 times a year, it's cheap enough to be funny)
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[23:57] <oq> shauno: yeah.. I went with the celeron 2 (which is why I'm currently trying to get me hands on a used e3-1220lv2 so I can use vt-d and pass all my disk through a vm and virtualise my nas
[23:57] <oq> mine only cost me £120 after cashback
[23:57] <oq> s/2/too
[23:57] <cehwedrec> trying to install cups on raspbian
[23:57] <cehwedrec> installation gets stuck

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