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IRC Log for 2017-04-06

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[0:05] <frikinz> Hi. Is anyone using kodi 17 from testing on a RPI3?
[0:06] <geotoad_> Can anyone offer advice on how to configure a boot option for PiTFT to choose to send screen to PiTFT or HDMI?
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[0:46] <JuPaname> free shell account contact PM =)
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[1:01] <Smeef> Anyone have experience with these? Are there any things I should know before buying one to use with a touch panel on a Pi project? http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Wire-Resistive-USB-Touchscreen-Controller-LCD-Touch-Screen-Panel-Driver-Card-/172166099724?hash=item2815e6330c:g:JoMAAOSwUUdXDciq
[1:02] <Smeef> Both the board and panel are 4-wire
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[1:17] <IanTLopp> anyone ever ordered from Alibaba?
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[1:19] <IanTLopp> also - I'm trying to mount a pitft screen to the back of a raspberry pi zero (all the pins would need to be flipped). I'm doing this because I have a camera that will be mounted to the front in the official case, and I'll be modifying the back to mount the screen to the back of it. The closest idea I can come up with is to use a ribbon cable and have it fold over the pi zero to the other side, which would leave the screen upside down, and a
[1:19] <IanTLopp> setting or two would correct this. Is there a better solution?
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[1:28] <kebbanalex_> Hello! I'm currently doing an arcade cabinet and would need some help on the electronics side of things. Anyone that might want to help me in pm?
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[2:17] <kaosine> IanTLopp: I've heard they're iffy just like ordering off of ebay
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[2:23] <IanTLopp> kaosine: still need a supplier of LCD's and controller boards, and they seem like the best way to go about getting them.
[2:23] <IanTLopp> but there's no obvious way to pay for ONE sample, which I've been given the price of.
[2:23] <kaosine> IanTLopp: adafruit sells those last I checked
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[2:24] <IanTLopp> adafruit... uh... no, I won't be buying anything from them again in a while.
[2:24] <IanTLopp> on top of the fact that their boards are either too small, or wide screen...
[2:24] <kaosine> IanTLopp: why?
[2:24] <IanTLopp> the moment I get to 3.5 and above it switches over to a wide screen form factor.
[2:24] <IanTLopp> I HAVE to have 4:3 for my projects.
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[2:24] <IanTLopp> I also need a 1.8" screen that runs at 320x240.. I've seen devices with those screens, but can't find them to save my life.
[2:26] <kaosine> I need to get a 3.5 for my portable project.....though that's a little ways off since I need to finish my dos machine first
[2:27] <IanTLopp> and the 3.5's run at 480x320 which is too wide screen for me.
[2:28] <IanTLopp> I need a 5" and a 7" both running at 640x480 (higher is okay as well, as long as the aspect ratio is maintained)
[2:29] <kaosine> (finding a AT power supply at a resonable price with the cables for that is harder to find than you'd think)
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[2:30] <IanTLopp> AT power supply?
[2:30] <IanTLopp> oh... the power supply for your dos machine... heh.
[2:30] <IanTLopp> craigslist is your friend
[2:30] <IanTLopp> assuming you're in an area that can use it
[2:30] <kaosine> yeah....no for craigslist
[2:30] <IanTLopp> advertise for taking old non functioning systems off people's hands
[2:30] <kaosine> most stuff on there is post '03
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[2:30] <IanTLopp> I've got dozens of computers that way.
[2:30] <kaosine> at least
[2:30] <IanTLopp> no - you advertise wanted
[2:31] <IanTLopp> advertise free - because you're taking their old broken devices off their hands
[2:31] <IanTLopp> be willing to do a bit of labor - you WILL come across some bad old systems, but I've rebuilt so many systems out of free old computers it's ridiculous.
[2:31] <IanTLopp> I set up a small local community school with 8 computers that way.
[2:31] <kaosine> I have the board and cpu but need to find a supply that will work and eventually plug in some hard drive converter so I can use a sd card or something similar(those exist ha ha)
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[2:43] <ap4lmtree> hi
[2:43] <ap4lmtree> i can't su - , is the root login totally disabled except for sudo?
[2:45] <ap4lmtree> why is it that i just now reinstalled raspbian, and it says my ntfs usb external hard drive is too big because the max is 2tb
[2:45] <ap4lmtree> oh, i found a fix for that
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[3:00] <amigojapan_rpi> hi guys , I am trying to configure my sound thru bluetoothe , I followed https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/bluetooth-audio-raspberry-pi-3/ but still no luck
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[3:02] <Smeef> amigojapan_rpi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXedC5dQyNk
[3:02] <Smeef> Not bluetooth, but I was just looking at this :P
[3:03] <Smeef> Broadcasting audio from the Pi using FM
[3:03] <amigojapan_rpi> Smeef, oh hey, ok, I will nneed to watch it on my computer, one sec
[3:04] <Smeef> If the Pi can broadcast FM, what's the frequency range it can cover? Can I build a cell phone signal jammer with it? (Hypothetically speaking)
[3:05] <amigojapan> Smeef: can you retype what you just said, I could nto see it properly on my RPI
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[3:06] <Smeef> amigojapan: It was an open question about the link I just posted. I wanted to know if I could build a cell jammer from an RPi (Hypothetically)
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[3:06] <amigojapan> ok Smeef so ti was nto osmething to me, I see thanks
[3:07] <Smeef> np
[3:07] <Smeef> I haven't gotten around to playing with the bluetooth on my Pi 3 or Zero W's yet
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[3:09] <amigojapan> alright Smeef :)
[3:09] * kaosine is half waiting for a zero w that is basically a 3 minus all the bulky ports XD
[3:09] <amigojapan> Smeef: I got almost everything working on my RPI III with 7” touchscreen and case, except sound and also HDMI output
[3:10] <Smeef> amigojapan: So you finally got the screen?
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[3:10] <amigojapan> yes Smeef after like a month
[3:10] <amigojapan> Smeef: and the good news is the battery I got lasts very long, like many hours
[3:11] <amigojapan> even with the display
[3:11] <Smeef> amigojapan: It's about time, lol
[3:11] <Smeef> Good to hear
[3:11] <amigojapan> ty :)
[3:12] <Smeef> I'm researching adding a touch panel to the composite TFT display I have on my Altoids tin build, I already found the right size panel, I just need to find a driver board and make sure it's compatible
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[3:13] <Smeef> Looking at this: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MIKROE-241/1471-1158-ND/4495523 and this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Wire-Resistive-Touch-Panel-Screen-USB-Port-Controller-Driver-Board-/301021802646
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[3:16] <Smeef> the other option is to mount something like this on it, but it's too expensive: http://www.ergonomictouchpad.com/mini_touchpad.php
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[3:23] <ap4lmtree> if i want a custom swapfile on an external usb hard drive, should i use dphys-swapfile, or do i use just /etc/fstab ?
[3:24] * ShorTie wonders why
[3:25] <ap4lmtree> it is needed when using resilio-sync as 100m isn't big enough
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[3:26] <ShorTie> so just make it bigger
[3:26] <ShorTie> it's in /etc
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[3:27] <ShorTie> in /etc/dphys-swapfile
[3:29] <ap4lmtree> ShorTie, writing lots on a sd card shortens its lifespan
[3:29] <ap4lmtree> unlike hard drives, they have a shorter lifespan based on that
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[3:36] <ap4lmtree> ShorTie, the same is true for usb flash drives
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[3:43] <SpeedEvil> And SSDs.
[3:44] <SpeedEvil> It's just that SDs are where SSDs were >10 years ago in many cases.
[3:44] <SpeedEvil> And there is no way to tell which ones are good and not easily, and no way for the drive to report a failure prior to dying
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[3:56] <mast> Has anybody had to deal with sluggish responsiveness with their Flirc?
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[4:48] <cehwedrec> hi, i have a raspbian lite installation
[4:48] <cehwedrec> on a raspberry pi 3
[4:49] <cehwedrec> can anyone help me install chromium with all the bells and whistles like it's on the full raspbian version?
[4:51] <leftyfb> cehwedrec: why did you install lite if you want "all the bells and whistles"?
[4:51] <cehwedrec> the other version always got stuck
[4:51] <cehwedrec> when i wanted to install something else
[4:52] <leftyfb> it would probably be quicker to download the full image and reimage the sd card
[4:52] <leftyfb> stuck?
[4:52] <cehwedrec> than what is already in it
[4:52] <cehwedrec> yes
[4:52] <cehwedrec> for example i try to install something with sudo apt-get install
[4:52] <cehwedrec> and it would just sit at it for hours
[4:53] <leftyfb> maybe you had a bad image or slow internet connection or none at all
[4:53] <cehwedrec> image checksum was OK
[4:53] <cehwedrec> internet was OK too
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[4:55] <amigojapan> Smeef: cant you get an HDMI driver board?
[4:55] <leftyfb> cehwedrec: http://bfy.tw/B4Qy try that
[4:56] <Zardoz> cehwedrec: just wondering if you updated and upgraded.
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[4:56] <cehwedrec> yes i did
[4:56] <cehwedrec> it got stuck there too
[4:57] <Smeef> amigojapan, it wouldn't work, there aren't any HDMI displays in the form factor I need, and even if there were, an HDMI cable would be too thick/wide for the enclosure, I'm fine with the NTSC/PAL, I just need the touch panel
[4:57] <cehwedrec> leftyfb: i already have a working minimal PIXEL desktop
[4:57] <cehwedrec> but it has almost nothing
[4:57] <leftyfb> so install the things you want
[4:57] <amigojapan> Smeef: I was thinking of a driver board for an LCD from a laptop, but the problem of hte HDMI calbe would still be there
[4:57] <leftyfb> like chromium-browser
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[4:58] <leftyfb> or, like I said, start over with the full image. If you had problems before, something else was wrong
[4:58] <amigojapan> cehwedrec: have you tried sudo apt-get install chromium ?
[4:59] <amigojapan> yeah chroimum-browser not chromium
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[5:05] <cehwedrec> wow, found the command
[5:05] <cehwedrec> to get chromium just like in the regular version
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[5:05] <cehwedrec> for anyone wanting to know, it's rpi-chromium-mods
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[5:29] <pokmo> hi
[5:30] <pokmo> for some reason, i can't SSH into my pi but i can ping it. what options do i have without formatting the SD?
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[5:34] <leftyfb> pokmo: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ssh/
[5:34] <leftyfb> pokmo: scroll down to "3. ENABLE SSH ON A HEADLESS RASPBERRY PI"
[5:34] <leftyfb> first result on google for "raspberry pi ssh"
[5:35] <amigojapan> well, besides teh 7” official display being too small, it seems at least I can do webdev fine on the RPI 3 :) both client and server side
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[5:36] <amigojapan> pokmo: did you enable SSH on raspi-config? and if so are you SSHing from the same network? otherwise you will need to port foward the SSH port on yoru router
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[5:48] <plum> hiiiii
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[5:56] <amigojapan> hi plum
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[5:56] * amigojapan just disabled capslock on all his devices :) that pesky key
[5:57] <GreeningGalaxy> I had fun turning it into a second enter key, but for whatever reason my changes would never stick and would keep reverting after resume from suspend. It would be nice to have a way of doing it on a deeper level than X.
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[5:59] <amigojapan> GreeningGalaxy: probably just put it in your .bash_profile script
[5:59] <GreeningGalaxy> but then it only fixes itself when I open a shell.
[6:00] <amigojapan> GreeningGalaxy: if I knew how to do what you did, I would make it into a second A key, cause it seems I always hit capslock when I intend to hit A
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[6:00] <GreeningGalaxy> I used xmodmap
[6:00] <GreeningGalaxy> you can find lots of tutorials. capslock is one of the more complicated ones to remap because you also have to disable the lock, but it's still pretty straightforward
[6:01] <amigojapan> GreeningGalaxy: hmm ok, that is ture, weird that it returns after screen lock
[6:01] <amigojapan> yeah, thanks
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[6:02] <amigojapan> I also reduced the resolution of my screen to 640X480 cause I was having trouble seeing the letters correctly on the 7” official display
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[6:07] <GreeningGalaxy> amigojapan: it wasn't *always* returning, which was weird. I hate it when I get inconsistent results like that.
[6:07] <GreeningGalaxy> must've been some race condition.
[6:07] <amigojapan> yup, sounds likely
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[6:32] <pokmo> amigojapan, yeah i did
[6:32] <pokmo> i guess i'll reinstall raspbian
[6:38] <dumle29> I made a thing :) https://youtu.be/OIWhHTsjNFk
[6:39] <Psi-Jack> while "allways?" heh
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[6:42] <dumle29> It's fairly descriptive :P
[6:43] <Psi-Jack> so is true. :)
[6:43] <dumle29> true doesn't exist :P
[6:43] <dumle29> there's false and not false :P
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[6:44] <Psi-Jack> Okay. while True. :p
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[6:44] <dumle29> In python, anything that isn't 4 different variations of false, evaluates as true
[6:44] <Psi-Jack> Heh, oh, I know.
[6:45] <dumle29> it's nice :)
[6:45] <dumle29> most languages are like that though. It's nice :)
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[6:46] <calamari> I have an extra heatsink that is smaller than the pi 2 cpu. I realize a heatsink isn't strictly necessary on pi 2, but I'm curious if there would be potential harm in putting it on, since it's smaller than the cpu
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[6:47] <dumle29> as long as it's not shorting anything
[6:47] <Psi-Jack> Same size, smaller, larger. Doesn't hurt.
[6:48] <calamari> thanks
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[6:48] <Psi-Jack> Key point of a key sink is to draw heat away from the processor it's attached to, and cool it off with the fins catching the air.
[6:48] <dumle29> larger can hurt
[6:48] <Psi-Jack> key sink? heat sink. :)
[6:48] <dumle29> if it's larger, it might touch components on the board
[6:49] <Psi-Jack> dumle29: Not really. You shoiuld see the massive heat sinks I have on my computers. My desktop has a CoolerMaster V8.
[6:49] <Psi-Jack> Well, that's different. :)
[6:49] <calamari> the only thing that gave me pause was that there would be a potential difference in temperature across the chip
[6:49] <dumle29> Psi-Jack: That's not really a comparison you can make ;)
[6:50] <Psi-Jack> Sure it is.
[6:50] <dumle29> nah, the coolers are made for that
[6:50] <dumle29> there's well defined 3d clearance room around the cpu
[6:50] <dumle29> so cooler manufacturers know to stay away from components on the pcb
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[6:52] <Psi-Jack> Well, it's still a heat sink, pulling heat away from the processor it's attached to, with finned parts, usually attached fans on those. :)
[6:52] <dumle29> yes I know, but larger than the SoC heatsinks on the pi are not designed with the pi in mind
[6:52] <Psi-Jack> And actually, I have the CoolerMaster V6 in my desktop. It's so big there's barely any clearance from my RAM. :)
[6:52] <dumle29> meaning there's a real chance of it touching components next to the chip, shorting something out
[6:53] <dumle29> that is why you can't compare it to desktop coolres
[6:53] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, well, the only really elevated parts around the CPU of a Pi, is the CPU and the GPU, and of course the surrounding connectors which is a good space away.
[6:53] <dumle29> it's a much more "designed for the job" case in desktops
[6:54] <dumle29> Psi-Jack: You mean the SoC right?
[6:54] <dumle29> Psi-Jack: There's some powerrail capacitors fairly close
[6:54] <dumle29> some larger caps
[6:55] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. Nope. I don't see any of those on the PI3. :)
[6:55] <dumle29> hmm I only have a pizero to look at atm
[6:57] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, yeah. That, would be a bit different. ;)
[6:58] <Psi-Jack> Heh. I've been pondering getting a Pi Zero W, simply because I already have a Pi 3, 2 different ESP8266's, an ESP32, and a Particle Photon. :)
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[7:00] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, goodie. Tornado Watch.
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[7:04] <IanTLopp> psi-jack: the pi zero w is excellent for octopi
[7:04] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[7:04] <IanTLopp> well it is.
[7:04] <Psi-Jack> I'd be making it into some home automation/security module.
[7:04] <IanTLopp> I have 2.. wish there was a faster and cheaper way to do it than canakit
[7:05] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I need a 3D printer.
[7:05] <Psi-Jack> Though, I have access to one at work. :)
[7:05] <IanTLopp> build one :)
[7:05] <Psi-Jack> LOL
[7:06] <IanTLopp> I mean that seriously
[7:06] <IanTLopp> some great kits out there
[7:07] <IanTLopp> I'd recommend the folgertech kit, but right now I'm fighting mine - probably because it's used, but meh
[7:08] <Psi-Jack> Heh, interesting.
[7:08] <dumle29> nonono
[7:08] <dumle29> not folgertech
[7:08] <dumle29> never folgertech
[7:08] <IanTLopp> dumle29, why not?
[7:09] <dumle29> They are cheap for a reason
[7:09] <IanTLopp> well cheap doesn't necessarily mean bad
[7:09] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, based on the design i"m seeing, yikes.
[7:09] <IanTLopp> I just have some parts on it I need to replace.
[7:09] <IanTLopp> what's wrong with the design?
[7:09] <dumle29> it does in this case
[7:09] <IanTLopp> which one you looking at? the prusa i3, or the delta?
[7:09] <dumle29> prusa
[7:09] <dumle29> plexi in general is a horrible frame material
[7:10] <dumle29> #reprap would love to tell you why to stear clear of folgertech :)
[7:10] <Psi-Jack> IanTLopp: Umm... The fact it's got this big spool of the plastic "ink" just hanging out there?
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[7:10] <IanTLopp> plexi? it's all aluminum
[7:10] <Psi-Jack> The RepRap 2020 Prusa i3.
[7:10] <dumle29> Psi-Jack: That's fine
[7:10] <IanTLopp> psi-jack: that's extremely common on the DIY kits - after that you print your own spool holders
[7:10] <dumle29> IanTLopp: That's the 2020 i3
[7:11] <Psi-Jack> LOL
[7:11] <IanTLopp> dumle29, oh... I have the delta
[7:11] <IanTLopp> the problem I'm having with it is mostly due to my own misunderstanding of a few things, and a broken z probe
[7:11] <dumle29> but for a beginner I'd recommend not spending under 400$
[7:11] <IanTLopp> *rolls eyes*
[7:12] <IanTLopp> my next 3d printer will cost sub $200
[7:12] <dumle29> IanTLopp: You get what you pay for
[7:12] <IanTLopp> and will be significantly better
[7:12] <dumle29> sure
[7:12] <IanTLopp> 3d printing came about BECAUSE of the DIY scene.
[7:12] <dumle29> how much time are you going to have to spend on it to get it to a useable state?
[7:12] <IanTLopp> as much time as I want
[7:12] <dumle29> and how much are you going to have to spend after that, to keep it running?
[7:12] <IanTLopp> it's an SLA printer using a DLP projector
[7:12] <dumle29> SLAs are inherrently cheaper to build
[7:12] <IanTLopp> again, as much as I want.. but it won't NEED all that much.
[7:13] <IanTLopp> other than the unfortunate cost of the projector itself.. heh.
[7:13] <dumle29> forgot about those. Those have just recently gotten realistic to build DIY
[7:13] <IanTLopp> yep :)
[7:13] <IanTLopp> and then I can print my tiny components at super high quality
[7:13] <dumle29> But for DIY FDMs, I'd not go under 400$
[7:14] <IanTLopp> again, depends upon what you want out of it. if you just want to buy a setup and have it work out of the box - sure, spend the money, but if you want to build and learn from it, the cheaper models can EASILY provide you with plenty of learning
[7:14] <IanTLopp> I have no real complaints with my folgertech. I'm just replacing a few key components with non folgertech parts - specifically because folgertech doesn't make them.
[7:15] <IanTLopp> I'm replacing the z probe with an IR depth sensor - no moving components, and it can provide much faster real time height adjustment.
[7:15] <IanTLopp> replacing the single extruder with a dual extruder... maybe.
[7:15] <IanTLopp> I really want to, but everyone I've talked to that has one says they never use it.
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[7:16] <IanTLopp> so I'm thinking, so many of my projects could use a water soluable scaffold, but why is it that other people don't use them?
[7:16] <dumle29> try and check the price of PVA
[7:16] <IanTLopp> pva? that's the water soluble material?
[7:17] <dumle29> yes
[7:17] <IanTLopp> for the quality I'm going for on some of my prints - it's worth it...
[7:17] <IanTLopp> a relatively large scale Firefly
[7:17] <dumle29> you asked why it's not common use yet :)
[7:17] <calamari> cool, the puny heatsink dropped my temps by 8 C. thanks all! :)
[7:18] <IanTLopp> calamari: you're totally welcome for all that work I did...
[7:18] <IanTLopp> what are we talking about again?\
[7:18] <calamari> IanTLopp: lol
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[7:19] <Psi-Jack> Ahh here we gp. A Robo 3D R1 Plus printer
[7:19] <Psi-Jack> Only $722, with free shipping included. Prime even!
[7:20] <dumle29> Psi-Jack: For that price, I'd get a prusa i3 mk2
[7:20] <Psi-Jack> heh heh
[7:20] <IanTLopp> why the prusa? why's everyone prefer the cartesians? delta's are better
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[7:21] <dumle29> IanTLopp: I don't know. I prefer deltas myself
[7:21] <IanTLopp> :)
[7:21] <dumle29> Deltas aren't too neat great on the 8bit controllers though
[7:21] <dumle29> the math is too much
[7:21] <Psi-Jack> It's funny, one of the printers I saw, had... paper clips to hold the glass, (of which does NOT come with the kit of course).
[7:21] <Psi-Jack> Paperclips!
[7:21] <dumle29> yea that's fairly normal
[7:21] <Psi-Jack> That... Is fairly stupid.
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[7:21] <IanTLopp> I need to replace my aluminum bed with a glass bed.
[7:22] <dumle29> Psi-Jack: No?
[7:22] <IanTLopp> I'm actually with Psi-Jack on this one... why isn't it stupid to use paper clips?
[7:22] <dumle29> they can actually stand the temperature that the bed will get to
[7:22] <Psi-Jack> Paper clips wouldn't be stable to hold it.
[7:22] <dumle29> and are easy to remove, to take the glass off easilly
[7:22] <dumle29> Psi-Jack: Sure they would
[7:22] <IanTLopp> that's not the problem I would have with it... I would say the lack of stability would be an issue.
[7:23] <dumle29> wat
[7:23] <dumle29> The glass won't move
[7:23] <IanTLopp> well technically, the delta's don't have moving beds.. the prusa models do...
[7:23] <dumle29> the only problem with them, is that they eat a bit of print area
[7:23] <Psi-Jack> Oooh, $722, and that Robo 3D R1 Plus is also open source too!
[7:24] <IanTLopp> look up reviews on that Psi-Jack.
[7:24] <Psi-Jack> Course, with filament, it's $922. :)
[7:25] <Psi-Jack> LIke, 59% 5-star heh
[7:25] <IanTLopp> GAH... WHAT???
[7:25] <IanTLopp> why the @#$% is it $200 for filament?
[7:25] <Psi-Jack> It's multiple colors of filament. heh
[7:26] <IanTLopp> it better be around 10kg of filament for that $200
[7:26] <dumle29> you'd better get close to 10kg of filament for that
[7:26] <dumle29> hah
[7:26] <Psi-Jack> heh
[7:26] <dumle29> head over to #reprap :)
[7:29] <Psi-Jack> Welp/.. Time for some sleep.
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[7:42] <ap4lmtree> do i need dphys-swapfile or can i have a swapfile without that?
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[9:31] <brainzap> what is the lowest amount you can give a GPU with shared memory
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[9:31] <brainzap> Can it be calculated or is it in the spec of the gpu hardware
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[9:52] <nacelle> I believe the lowest you can give the gpu is 16MB
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[11:07] <ali1234> oq: no, but it only takes about 7 minutes to build
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[11:47] <Wally> Is this about Raspberry Pie cooking?
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[12:00] <Viper168_> anyone have a pi3 with wine working well and is into 3d modeling want to check if 123d runs well? instructions to install it are on winehq
[12:00] <Viper168_> would be a big reason for me to buy one since am too broke for a windows box atm that will run it
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[12:02] <Viper168_> if I can get some decent cad software that runs slow on old machines running well, it would be quite handy to have it as a low power small form factor machine
[12:03] <Viper168_> next best thing to having a laptop
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[12:39] <binaryhermit> Viper168: considering that the pi3 is ARM and I assume that 123d is a windows app that's some flavor of x85, which would require CPU emulation... probably not going to work well, but I might be wrong
[12:41] <Viper168> given the number of cores and how well it runs on a machine with less than the speed of one of the cores it seemed it might have a decent chance
[12:41] <Viper168> and it's not actually emulation
[12:41] <binaryhermit> perhaps
[12:41] <ali1234> cad is super demanding of both CPU and graphics
[12:41] <Drzacek> Viper168, not sure about CAD software, but if you're into 3d modeling try blender. Or maybe some other program that runs natively on linux - no idea about what CAD software is out there now and how good would the "free linux" stuff be
[12:41] <Viper168> wine is an api replacement
[12:41] <Viper168> much faster
[12:41] <ali1234> graphics probably going to be the bigger problem on pi
[12:41] <binaryhermit> but you'd need to emulate x86
[12:41] <Viper168> blender can't do accurate as well
[12:41] <ali1234> blender is not cad
[12:42] <Drzacek> I know blender is not cad
[12:42] <ali1234> i like openscad :)
[12:42] <Viper168> I'll use blender for some things too but not a replacement for a nice cad program, most of which are a pain in the ass
[12:42] <ali1234> but you have to be a programmer to use it
[12:42] <ali1234> also it probably runs bad on a pi... it's slow enough on my i7/gtx780
[12:43] <Drzacek> Viper168, I agree with you on this one - while Blender is great for 3d "artistic" modelling, it is no match for real CAD program (AutoCAD my favorite) when it comes to technical stuff, when you need to get the dimensions just right
[12:43] <ali1234> wow check this https://openjscad.org/
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[12:43] <Viper168> I have a single core that is something akin the the p4 running xp, it runs 123d but with very significant lag, it is usable if patient but a pain
[12:43] <ali1234> this actually runs faster than the native version
[12:44] <Viper168> it can even be laggy and be workable
[12:44] <Viper168> just need it less laggy
[12:44] <Drzacek> I don't know if RPI is the way to go
[12:44] <Viper168> trying to get this business going for not much cash so will put up with some bs for now
[12:45] <Viper168> yeah some apps do run faster
[12:45] <Drzacek> RPI3b is about 50 EUROS now
[12:45] <ali1234> just buy a decent computer
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[12:45] <Drzacek> just see what used PC can you get for that price
[12:45] <Viper168> the report is that it runs well on wine
[12:45] <Viper168> for $30?
[12:45] <Viper168> nothing
[12:45] <Viper168> zip
[12:45] <Viper168> nada
[12:45] <Viper168> I can get machines that run xp for $30 maybe
[12:46] <Drzacek> it comes down to graphic card, nothing old with integrated gpu will be fast and non laggy
[12:46] <Viper168> these cad programs don't work with graphics hardware
[12:46] <ali1234> cheaping out on hardware is a false economy if you are doing a cad business
[12:46] <Viper168> they use cpu rendering
[12:47] <thecha> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9mXyakv2i8
[12:47] <thecha> Viper168↑
[12:47] <Viper168> which is why a powerful multi core device like the pi might run it decent
[12:47] <Drzacek> then older pc won't do either
[12:47] <ali1234> haha bookmarked
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[12:47] <ali1234> hmm openjscad doesn't actually support openscad language, you have to write in javascript... booo
[12:48] <Drzacek> haha
[12:49] <Viper168> and cheaping out in hardware is fine if it works
[12:50] <Viper168> the business isn't cad but I need the functionality, if I have a cheap way to get some of the powerful tools necessary going then why the hell not
[12:50] <Viper168> I'll spend the rest of the money actually getting things going instead of getting stalled again for lack of funds
[12:51] <Viper168> is expensive to get started in most things, sometimes you make compromises
[12:51] <Viper168> especially if you're broke while you try to do it
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[12:51] <Viper168> you have to get clever and try some less common approaches
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[12:55] <Viper168> maybe with the first profits I'll splurge on a fancy computer as in investment in the business but for now I need to hack my way in
[12:55] <Viper168> *as an
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[12:56] <Viper168> anyways, is plenty a pi3 is useful for, just would be nice to have a little verification that the app runs ok too
[12:56] <Viper168> will just try and see before long if necessary
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[12:58] <Viper168> there is the lattepanda that can run some pretty demanding games well apparently but dunno about things with high cpu demands
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[13:11] <Drzacek> The price is also slightly higher than rpi
[13:11] <Drzacek> at least on the site where I looked it was over 100 euro
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[13:14] <Viper168> yeah they're more expensive
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[13:14] <Viper168> they run windows natively though
[13:15] <Viper168> which as much as it sucks is necessary for some thigns
[13:15] <Viper168> things
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[13:38] <radioslave> Anyone here had problems with installing Spotify?
[13:39] <radioslave> keep getting Unable to locate package spotify-client
[13:39] <radioslave> Not sure why https://www.spotify.com/us/download/linux/ would be issuing incorrect info
[13:39] <radioslave> trying to install on Ubuntu MATE
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[13:40] <shiftplusone> radioslave: wrong architecture.
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[13:40] <shiftplusone> They don't provide an arm version.
[13:41] <radioslave> Son of a bitch
[13:41] <radioslave> Even says it's released as a debian package, where am i going wrong here
[13:41] <radioslave> What distro would get this running?
[13:42] <radioslave> Trying to get a spotify connect box running without resorting to Exagear
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[13:48] <mfa298> radioslave: without them providing an arm build it won't work on the pi (and last time i checked the spotify linux support was fairly poor)
[13:48] <radioslave> Well damnit.
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[13:48] <mfa298> the was some 3rd party thing that works with mpd I think possibly using the web player
[13:49] <radioslave> yeah thats what im trying to avoid
[13:49] <radioslave> I want the spotify app to recognise the Pi as a device
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[13:49] <radioslave> not rely on Mopidy etc
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[13:51] <radioslave> Seems like every option relies on either Mopidy or Volumio and an MPD app
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[13:51] <radioslave> my kingdom for a free version of exagear
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[14:01] <Eduard_Munteanu> This is just rude... raspberrypi.org downloads page points to a https link that redirects to a non-https link.
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[14:02] <Eduard_Munteanu> They also supply just a SHA-1 hash.
[14:02] <selckin> i bet you've never verified a hash in your life, just read news articles on sha1
[14:03] <Eduard_Munteanu> Actually I do. I don't run software I can't verify.
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[14:05] <Eduard_Munteanu> (I've been complaining to FOSS projects for years and getting them to provide verifiable downloads.)
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[14:06] <HrdwrBoB> just an SHA1 hash?
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[14:06] <HrdwrBoB> you think that someone cares enough about your rpbi image that they found an SHA1 collision to fiddle with the image?
[14:07] <selckin> only costs a few million in electricity
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[14:11] <SpeedEvil> Also, you dramatically overestimate the difficulty in many cases of getting something bad into an image.
[14:11] <Eduard_Munteanu> I think someone is supposed to know better and do their job properly.
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> Signing the image doesn't help that at all
[14:11] <HrdwrBoB> hahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahaha
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> Eduard_Munteanu: 'their job'
[14:11] <HrdwrBoB> Eduard_Munteanu: have you seen... the real world?
[14:11] <Eduard_Munteanu> i.e. software distribution
[14:12] <HrdwrBoB> Eduard_Munteanu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZeX1QAeuH4
[14:12] <brainzap> you got scamed
[14:12] <Drzacek> "Download something -> check the website and the checksumm -> assume it's alright -> go on with your downloaded software without checking anything more"
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[14:13] <HrdwrBoB> if you are paranoid with cause, then sure, do more checking
[14:13] <HrdwrBoB> but it comes at a cost
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[14:15] <Eduard_Munteanu> This clearly isn't about costs. The costs of implementing this right are zilch.
[14:15] <HrdwrBoB> no
[14:15] <HrdwrBoB> costs are not merely money
[14:15] <GenteelBen> Munteanu Reeves
[14:16] <HrdwrBoB> infact often times money is not a huge deal
[14:16] <HrdwrBoB> the cost is in time/effort
[14:16] <GenteelBen> What are we talking about here? SHA-1 hashes for ISOs?
[14:16] <GenteelBen> It's trivial to produce hashes which appear next to a binary's download.
[14:17] <Eduard_Munteanu> HrdwrBoB, there's no effort in providing SHA256 hashes instead of SHA1, unless whoever did that is clueless
[14:17] <Eduard_Munteanu> GenteelBen, yes
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[14:18] <shauno> it's also worth little more than warm & fuzzies
[14:19] <shauno> if someone's in a position to modify the image, they're also in a position to modify the file containing the hashes
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[14:19] <binaryhermit> I think that happened with the linux mint hack
[14:20] <Eduard_Munteanu> No, they're not. Unless they break raspberrypi.org.
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[14:21] <shauno> so you're worried that someone might compromise downloads.raspberrypi.org, but you're willing to accept www.raspberrypi.org as infallible?
[14:21] <Eduard_Munteanu> No. It could actually be anyone playing the middle man.
[14:21] <shauno> (which both resolve to the same machine, and could quite happily be folders next to each other)
[14:22] <shiftplusone> The next released image might come with a pgp signature for the paranoid.
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[14:22] <Eduard_Munteanu> That would be nice. Don't forget to post the PGP key on the main site, though.
[14:23] <Eduard_Munteanu> At least we should be able to retrieve it over HTTPS.
[14:23] <shiftplusone> yes
[14:24] <shauno> https isn't as easy as it sounds. since directory is a dns-roundrobin, they'd have to provide a private key to everyone who runs a mirror (and hope that mirror isn't being used for anything else that needs https either)
[14:24] <shauno> er, *director
[14:24] <Viper168> I demand individually burned and mailed discs with hand drawn labels with sharpie and a picture posted of them online before sending
[14:25] <Eduard_Munteanu> shauno, arguably the PGP key itself is short enough to be hosted on the main site.
[14:25] <HrdwrBoB> even then
[14:25] <HrdwrBoB> this is all ridiculous
[14:25] <BurtyB> Viper168, would you like a rootkit with that? ;)
[14:25] <Viper168> HrdwrBoB, don't be extreme
[14:25] <HrdwrBoB> since putting backdoors in the software before it's signed is wayyyyy easier
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[14:26] <ali1234> shiftplusone: dont forget to pt the key in the repo as well :)
[14:26] <Viper168> also in the butt
[14:26] <Eduard_Munteanu> (it should be the actual key, not just the fingerprint, because plain old PGP fingerprints are just SHA1 hashes)
[14:27] <HrdwrBoB> which as we all know, might as well be hen scratchings?
[14:27] <HrdwrBoB> and are no better than using the filesize to check.
[14:28] <HrdwrBoB> I mean, I'm not entirely on the other side of this, if it can be improved, it should be, but given the constraints, it's acceptable
[14:28] <pokmo> hi
[14:29] <pokmo> i'm trying to mount a USB stick with sudo mount /media/usb but i can't write to it
[14:29] <pokmo> the owner of /media/usb is root so i can't write to it using as a user
[14:29] <pokmo> i have "/dev/sda /media/usb ext4 rw 0 3" in fstab
[14:29] <pokmo> am i doing something wrong?
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[14:31] <Viper168> time to put an anti-virus in it, and an anti-anti-anti-virus too
[14:32] <BurtyB> pokmo, you probably want to set a umask see https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/external-storage.md
[14:33] <pokmo> hmm
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[14:33] <pokmo> BurtyB, that doc doesn't mention fstab though
[14:33] <pokmo> sorry, it does
[14:34] <radioslave> for some flipping reason I cant install Wine
[14:34] <radioslave> does anyone know where it is now for ubuntu Mate
[14:34] <g105b> I'm using https://github.com/abelectronicsuk/ABElectronics_Python_Libraries to get the voltage of analogue pins, that's working fine, but then when I try to read a digital pin using RPi.GPIO, subsequent calls to the analogue pins don't return a value. Please can someone help me debug this?
[14:34] <radioslave> when I do sudo apt-get install wine I constantly get not found errors
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[14:35] <radioslave> i've followed various different instructions and a whole slew of repos, it shouldnt be this difficult
[14:35] <d0rm0us3> try apt-cache search wine
[14:35] <shiftplusone> wine on the pi doesn't "just work"
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[14:36] <shiftplusone> you need to patch and build it yourself.
[14:36] <radioslave> ah jesus
[14:36] <radioslave> any breakdowns on that?
[14:36] <shiftplusone> None that I know of.
[14:36] <Free99> Hello everyone, I'm having a bit of a strange issue; I've connected my Pi camera 2.1 to my new Pi3 B board correctly, enabled the camera using raspi-config, rebooted.. but raspistill can't find the camera
[14:36] <radioslave> cripes
[14:36] <radioslave> Winetricks is in there
[14:37] <radioslave> Is playonlinux an alternative?
[14:37] <shiftplusone> now that exagear is in the raspberry pi repo, you might be able to extract it from there.
[14:37] <radioslave> yeah it's like 30 bucks though
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[14:37] <radioslave> oh you mean just pull that solo
[14:37] <shiftplusone> There's a free trial, but you should be able to get the needed component sout
[14:38] <shiftplusone> or... https://github.com/Eltechs/wine
[14:38] <radioslave> hmm, i'll have a look
[14:38] <radioslave> oh hello
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[14:45] <Eduard_Munteanu> Is hardware acceleration supported on VLC in Raspbian out of the box now, or do you still need to recompile?
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[14:45] <shiftplusone> recompile
[14:46] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ah, thanks.
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[14:46] <Eduard_Munteanu> I see a gst-omx package, though. Maybe I should port my player to gstreamer.
[14:48] <shiftplusone> There are known bugs and there is nobody maintaining it. It will probably be gone in stretch.
[14:48] <Free99> vcgencmd get_camera is giving me supported=1 detected=0, but I've used this camera with a pi 1 b before
[14:49] <Free99> latest rasbian jessie
[14:49] <Eduard_Munteanu> shiftplusone, hm, too bad. Any idea why VLC or other players aren't built with omx/mmal support?
[14:49] <shiftplusone> Free99: all the connections look okay, including the connector on the board that connects to the actual sensor.
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[14:50] <shiftplusone> Eduard_Munteanu: last time the guy responsible for that sort of thing looked into it, VLC wasn't quite ready and he hasn't gotten around to testing it again.
[14:52] <Eduard_Munteanu> I see. I think I'll eventually rip out the relevant bits from omxplayer or from the rpi samples and add them to my own stuff.
[14:54] <Free99> shiftplusone, seems like it. Ran a multimeter across the connectors on the SoC and the camera board while the system was powered down to check continuity..
[14:54] <pokmo> does anyone know why my /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo is missing?
[14:54] <pokmo> is it meant to be missing?
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[14:55] <shiftplusone> Eduard_Munteanu: what is your stuff?
[14:56] <Eduard_Munteanu> shiftplusone, I'm working on an automated video player for signage purposes, right now it's using VLC as a lib.
[14:57] <Eduard_Munteanu> (videos and images)
[14:57] <shiftplusone> why isn't omxplayer suitable?
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[14:59] <Eduard_Munteanu> I don't see a good way to control it, such as drawing to an existing window (because I might want to overlay some text in the future, for example)
[15:01] <shiftplusone> ah
[15:02] <shiftplusone> yup, fair enough.
[15:03] <Free99> hmm... shiftplusone, I see you helped someone out with an issue like this previously: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=84000
[15:03] <Free99> I had enabled i2c, but even disabling and rebooting didn't seem to do the trick
[15:04] <pokmo> does anyone know if /usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo is meant to be missing?
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[15:05] <shiftplusone> Free99: that thread was about an issue from years ago, so whatever I may have said there shouldn't be applicable to whatever is going on in your case.
[15:06] <Free99> shiftplusone, indeed but it's pretty strange that this camera was working fine with a model 1 b, jump to a pi 3 and suddenly nothing
[15:06] <shiftplusone> Free99: and I haven't done anything camera related in a long time, so I am not sure I'd be of much help here.
[15:06] <Free99> grasping at straws tbh
[15:06] <shiftplusone> Does it still work in the 1B?
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[15:08] <shiftplusone> If you can show that it still works, but not with the latest image on another pi, that's something that would be worth starting a forum thread or opening an issue on github about.
[15:08] <shiftplusone> otherwise it might just be dead
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[15:09] <Free99> ah cripes, I really hope Occam's razor is wrong this time
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[15:12] <HrdwrBoB> occam's razor is USUALLY
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[15:15] <shiftplusone> Free99: you're 100% sure the yellow clippy connector on the camera board is properly seated?
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[15:16] <Free99> black, but yes. Lifted it gently with my fingernail and reseated it just to be sure
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[15:19] <shiftplusone> what's the camera model?
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[15:21] <Free99> shiftplusone, it's a 2.1
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[15:25] <shiftplusone> can you reboot with the debug firmware, try to use the camera and then pastebin the output of vcdbg log msg and vcdbg log assert
[15:25] <shiftplusone> in config.txt instead of start_x=1, it should be start_db=1, IIRC.
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[15:27] <Free99> shiftplusone, I'm on it. brb
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[15:29] <Free99> shiftplusone, just to be clear, all I'm doing is adding dtdebug=on and replacing start_x=1 with start_db=1, right?
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[15:29] <shiftplusone> dtdebug isn't needed.
[15:30] <shiftplusone> but shouldn't do any harm either
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[15:41] <Free99> shiftplusone, https://pastebin.com/XpUaERr1
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[15:45] <shiftplusone> sec
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[15:50] <pokmo> does anyone know if /usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo is meant to be missing?
[15:53] <Free99> pokmo, I don't have that file either
[15:53] <pokmo> oh right
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[15:59] <shiftplusone> Free99: doesn't looks like it's getting far
[15:59] <shiftplusone> It's not seeing the i2c device associated with the sensor
[16:00] <Free99> sigh. Gotta nab a new camera then... bike ride through the rain to a store :-[
[16:01] <shiftplusone> Free99: no spare pi you could test it on to rule out the pi being the problem?
[16:02] <Free99> I have a zero, that pi 1b I had belonged to a teacher at school
[16:02] <shiftplusone> ah
[16:02] <Free99> I'm going to get a new camera and the adapter cable, worst comes to worst I just need to return the new camera
[16:03] <Free99> just wondering... does the NoIR version have significant drawbacks to general use? Couldn't I just stick some polycarbonate in front of it if I need to lose the IR sensing?
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[16:04] <shiftplusone> don't know about the polycarbonate, but NoIR colours don't look right.
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[16:07] <IT_Sean> noIR = everything looks kind of pinkish in daylight.
[16:07] <IT_Sean> you could put an IR filter infront of it.
[16:07] <IT_Sean> or you could get the regular version of the camera.
[16:08] <Psi-Jack> Heh. I'm pondering whether or not to get an RTC add-on for the RPi3, since it's acting as a hub for my home security/automation systems.
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[16:08] <Habbie> Psi-Jack, ntp at bootup not good enough?
[16:09] <Psi-Jack> Habbie: Nope.
[16:09] <Habbie> Psi-Jack, why not?
[16:10] <Psi-Jack> Habbie: Umm, because that's not persistent in the case of a power outage and reboot, and while I haven't yet checked accuracy, the timing of the accuracy could potentially be off as well, which could prove to cause problems, especially for time-sensative things such as a security system. hehe
[16:10] <Psi-Jack> Relying purely on software time management is error prone.
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[16:11] <Habbie> Psi-Jack, it's not persistent but i find ntp syncs within seconds of bootup
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[16:12] <hypermist> to use or not to use my pi0w as a kodi box
[16:12] <hypermist> xD
[16:12] <Psi-Jack> Well, I even run my own ntp servers as well, I get it.
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[16:18] <Free99> Psi-Jack is famous over in #linux as a guru :P
[16:18] <Psi-Jack> Famous and Infamous at the same time, actually, but yeah. :)
[16:19] <Psi-Jack> I dunno about guru, though.
[16:19] <Free99> well you gave me some pointers when I was messing with infiniband on a cluster, so.. iunno
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[16:19] <Free99> anyway, cya I gotta go take a trip
[16:20] <Free99> thanks for your help shiftplusone, I hope it's just the camera and not something more serious
[16:20] <Psi-Jack> hehehe. Yeah. I try to be helpful. Some people just don't like how I help. And sometimes, I can be rather short-fused and tell someone off. :)
[16:21] <Psi-Jack> Hence, Famous and Infamous at the same time. hehe
[16:21] <nacelle> Psi-Jack: re the rtc on a pi, they're worth it imo
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[16:22] <Psi-Jack> nacelle: Yeah? I'd of course want one that's battery backed, preferrably with a rechargeable battery if one even exists.
[16:22] <nacelle> you probably want one thats super capacitor backed tbh
[16:22] <Psi-Jack> Oh?
[16:22] <nacelle> you dont want to replace batteries if you leave the pi offline for a month+
[16:23] <nacelle> and otherwise... it has power to last through a month+ of no power, so a super capacitor backed one is fine
[16:23] <Psi-Jack> Well, that would be why I'd want a recharged battery, like with an MR2032 instead of a CR2032. :)
[16:23] <nacelle> the trick is taht there are multiple chips
[16:23] <nacelle> a super cap is essential a recharged battery
[16:23] <Psi-Jack> True. :)
[16:23] <nacelle> the trick is getting the right chip
[16:24] <nacelle> there are two basic rtc chips, the ds1307 and the ds3231
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[16:24] <nacelle> you want the ds3231 for accuracy/etc.
[16:24] <Psi-Jack> Okay, so ds3231 is what I'd want then.
[16:25] <Psi-Jack> Ooh, that's I2C based?
[16:25] <nacelle> yeah
[16:25] <Psi-Jack> Ahh they both are.
[16:25] <nacelle> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/162217785062?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true those little buggers
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[16:25] <nacelle> i cant speak for that actual one
[16:25] <nacelle> but thats the basic design/etc.
[16:26] <nacelle> people will try to charge you $10-30 for that thing
[16:27] <Psi-Jack> Heh. I found a 5 pack for $12. :)
[16:27] <nacelle> i only use the rtc on my gps host
[16:27] <nacelle> and it delivers the time out via ntp
[16:27] <nacelle> (which is a pi2)
[16:28] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[16:28] <Psi-Jack> Or $6 for one by LinkSprite.
[16:28] <nacelle> and because ntp works so well, i have that box offline right now because i stole the gps for my pizero project du jour until i can get it its own gps
[16:29] <Psi-Jack> So, hmmm, DAOKI, LinkSprite...
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[16:29] <ali1234> how long do the super capacitor ones retain a charge?
[16:31] <Psi-Jack> It's funky how they have the capacitor in there in a similar manner as a CR2032. heh
[16:31] <ali1234> the battery ones should last for a couple of years
[16:32] <nacelle> super capacitor != capacitor
[16:32] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. I do know the batteries can last a good looooooong while for sure.
[16:32] <ali1234> the basically won't drain the battery before it dies of old age
[16:34] <ali1234> i had to replace the RTC battery in my gamecube a couple of years ago... so like 15 years
[16:35] <nacelle> https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/design/tools/calculators/product-design/supercap.cfm
[16:36] <ali1234> so a couple of days then... not bad
[16:36] <ali1234> embedded device probably won't be without power for that long
[16:36] <nacelle> its quite adequate for an RTC
[16:37] <nacelle> right, and if they are, you wouldnt want to replace a battery once you go to use it
[16:37] <ali1234> you wouldn't have to
[16:37] <nacelle> exactly!
[16:37] <ali1234> rtc lithium battery lasts 10-15 years...
[16:37] <nacelle> no, you have to replace those.
[16:37] <ali1234> yeah, after 10 years
[16:37] <nacelle> if its on
[16:37] <nacelle> if its offline, no
[16:38] <nacelle> they can last a lot less
[16:38] <ali1234> makes no difference
[16:38] <nacelle> eh?
[16:39] <nacelle> most boxes directly power the clock when they're on so the battery isnt touched
[16:39] <nacelle> which is why you're getting that kind of life
[16:39] <nacelle> i assure you that a box on the shelf eats batteries quick while a box on mains doesnt.
[16:39] <ali1234> no, the reason i'm getting that kind of life is because lithium batteries die after 10 years even on the shelf
[16:39] <Psi-Jack> nacelle: Yeah, which is kinda why I wanted the MR2032 idea, so it would charge the battery, but then thinking about it more, I've seen MR2032's die faster than anything else rechargable.
[16:40] <nacelle> right
[16:40] <nacelle> batteries kind of suck, if you dont need the high draw/high capacity, dont bother
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[16:40] <nacelle> the rtc is finally a place where you can get away from having to use a big vat of checmicals and some metal plates sandwiched together :-)
[16:40] <ali1234> time keep current for DS3231 is 840 nA
[16:41] <Psi-Jack> But then... Can the I2C interface of these modules check the battery status? :)
[16:41] <Psi-Jack> LIke, how charged or not it is, so an alert can be done when it needs to be replaced.
[16:42] <Psi-Jack> With a Super Capacitor, I feel that kind of testing may not be as plausible, though maybe.
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[16:42] <nacelle> in a pi? probably not
[16:42] <nacelle> dont know though
[16:43] <Psi-Jack> Well, I mean I2C..
[16:43] <redrabbit> i figured stuff that works on the pi3 dont on the pi0/0w
[16:43] <nacelle> i would expect the sd to fail way before the super capacitors capacity becomes an issue
[16:43] <Psi-Jack> I2C allows for quite a few possabilities if they're implemented. :)
[16:43] <nacelle> right
[16:43] <ali1234> typical capacity of CR2032= 225mAh
[16:43] <redrabbit> last cryptsetup has libs failures on armhf6
[16:44] <nacelle> it may be that someones bothered to write that into teh driver, but i've not used it
[16:44] <ali1234> divide by 840 nanoamps = ~30 years
[16:44] <Psi-Jack> Heh, SunFoundry, why did you use a CR1220, making things difficult and non-standard? grr
[16:44] <ali1234> so yeah, it makes no difference if the device is on or off, the power drain is less than the self-discharge of the battery
[16:45] * nacelle sighs
[16:45] <nacelle> rtcs drain their batteries when not on power, and tend to leave the batteries alone when on power
[16:45] <ali1234> sigh all you want, if your RTC is draining the battery in a month it's either a fake RTC chip, a fake battery, or a badly designed circuit
[16:45] <nacelle> ?
[16:45] <nacelle> or not on power?
[16:46] <nacelle> oh wait, you put more shit in that senario
[16:46] <nacelle> scenario
[16:46] <nacelle> wait what am I doing?
[16:46] <ali1234> no, because the RTC chip only uses 840mAh when not on external power, and the battery has 225mAh capacity, leading to a 30 year battery life when not on power, ignoring self-discharge
[16:46] <ali1234> 840nA
[16:46] <Habbie> 840mAh per what time?
[16:46] <Habbie> ah
[16:46] <Habbie> withdrawn
[16:46] <nacelle> i've NEVER seen that, sir.
[16:47] <ali1234> it's in the DS3231 datasheet
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[16:47] <nacelle> rtc's eat batteries when not on power, period, you will not get 30 years from a 2032 with any modern or previous rtc that I know of
[16:47] <nacelle> even the ds3231
[16:47] <nacelle> ooh a datasheet told ya!
[16:47] <ali1234> because of battery self-discharge, which happens whether you use the battery or not
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[16:48] <ali1234> that brings the expected life time down to only around 10 years
[16:48] <nacelle> you can generally get a little more than 10 years from up to the 10 years ago lion batches, but not generally.
[16:49] <redrabbit> so its looking like using the last aircrack on the pi0w is tricky.. it was seamless on the pi3
[16:49] <nacelle> most of the systems were not built using the grade A++++ 2032 cells
[16:49] <nacelle> because... like you're seeing... you dont need it.
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[16:49] <redrabbit> i tried to install last build and the libcrypt20 lib upgrade messed up my cryptsetup
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[16:49] <nacelle> they'll have decent cells though, primarily to prevent leaks
[16:50] <nacelle> but anyways, the super cap backed clocks are great
[16:50] <nacelle> like how long are you really going to go without power to the pi there where the clock time matters before it can get ntp/gps sync again?
[16:51] <nacelle> for most folks the answer is pratically "I'd never encounter that where it matters"
[16:51] <ali1234> hang on a minute
[16:52] <nacelle> nope
[16:52] <ali1234> if you claim that in real life, RTCs drain the battery ~1 month, then how do digital watches work?
[16:52] <ali1234> battery in those lasts for years
[16:53] <ali1234> they are both smaller than a CR2032, and also have to drive the LCD display
[16:53] <nacelle> no, i'm saying that if you power off a box after its been on mains for a while
[16:53] <nacelle> expect its rtc to last about a month or so
[16:54] <ali1234> unless i specced the battery myself and bought one that isn't trash?
[16:54] <nacelle> i'm not looking at the "you just plugged this in, set the clock, then disconnected it from power. how long will the rtc last?" scenario
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[16:54] <nacelle> which is what you're asking
[16:54] <ali1234> i dont get it, what other scenario is there?
[16:54] <nacelle> how long does a new battery last in an rtc
[16:55] <nacelle> the other scenario is... how long does an old battery last in an rtc once that battery is called into duty?
[16:55] <ali1234> the answer depends only on how old that battery is
[16:55] <nacelle> the answer to that last one is often measured in weeks at most.
[16:55] <nacelle> right
[16:55] <ali1234> it is around 10 years minus age of battery
[16:55] <nacelle> so why go through all that crap and hassle
[16:56] <nacelle> these arent systems you're replacing with new stuff every three years
[16:56] <nacelle> i want my pis to last until I die
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[16:56] <nacelle> so why bother with changing a battery every ten years?
[16:56] <Psi-Jack> Hmmmm
[16:56] <Psi-Jack> I disagree with that assessment nacelle .
[16:56] <nacelle> thats hopefully 4-5 battery changes left for me, where supercap lands nets me 0
[16:57] <Psi-Jack> I've had motherboards powered down, detached, on the shelf, for 1~2 years, decided to plug it back up to make use of it for something, and the RTC was still accurate.
[16:57] <nacelle> yup
[16:57] <nacelle> you can totally do that.
[16:57] <nacelle> lion batteries are massively overspecced for the applicationo of an rtc
[16:57] <Psi-Jack> It will always definitely last more than 1 month. Years is most likely, without power.
[16:57] <nacelle> but can bank on that happening?
[16:58] <nacelle> and do you need that from this?
[16:58] <nacelle> this is an rtc in a pi.
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[16:58] <nacelle> think reallllly hard about the application, right?
[16:58] <ali1234> sure, why not?
[16:58] <Psi-Jack> Yes. For me, a very important Pi. :)
[16:58] <nacelle> most pis boot and suck in time via ntp as soon as they can
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[16:59] * redrabbit dont get the point of all this
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[16:59] <nacelle> so what are you worried about?
[16:59] <nacelle> like having the pi survive a month long power outage and then having its time be accurate when it comes back online?
[16:59] <Psi-Jack> Clock skew issues, for not having RTC. Timing related issues with devices communicating with the mqtt server and homebridge.
[17:00] <Psi-Jack> Encrypted communications. hehe
[17:00] <ali1234> i'm literally building a clock lol
[17:00] <Psi-Jack> heh
[17:00] <redrabbit> ah i got a kit from alibaba like 1.70$ clock
[17:01] <Chillum> love those cheap kits
[17:01] <nacelle> right, the pis hold their time just fine without an rtc for crypto/etc.
[17:01] <ali1234> ntp is fine but it shows the wrong time for like 10 seconds at boot up currently
[17:01] <Chillum> 30 minutes of entertainment when they arrive
[17:01] <nacelle> you're talking seconds on the day if its busy and not running ntp
[17:01] <redrabbit> looks like it even has an alarm
[17:01] <nacelle> minutes by the end of the day, which can be ass
[17:01] <ali1234> also internet might not be available
[17:01] <Chillum> even my mechanical watch only loses a minute a week
[17:01] <radioslave> Noob question but i've done a git install of : https://github.com/Eltechs/wine
[17:01] <radioslave> How do I actually go about installing wine now
[17:01] <nacelle> but none of that requires a massively long lion battery uptime...
[17:02] <nacelle> its like asking for problems :-)
[17:02] <nacelle> or rather just li
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[17:02] <ali1234> what if i'm using an arduino?
[17:02] <redrabbit> i have a rtc module for the arduino... my plan is to use the arduino as a wake up device for my orange pi and pi3 when they are battery operated
[17:02] <ali1234> oh, nice
[17:02] <nacelle> you can use that same rtc in the arduino's afaik
[17:03] <nacelle> havent done that
[17:03] <ali1234> sure
[17:03] <ali1234> but you can't use ntp
[17:03] <Chillum> attinys make great wake-up chips
[17:03] <redrabbit> so i can put them to sleep and wake them up on schedule / shutdown, then boot on schedule
[17:03] <nacelle> oh we're arguing for arguments sake, I get it
[17:03] <ali1234> well yeah
[17:03] <ali1234> why else?
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[17:04] <redrabbit> Chillum: link?
[17:04] <redrabbit> (ali if possible)
[17:04] <Chillum> for what?
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[17:04] <nacelle> i'm only chatting to wake up so that my code doesnt end up with mysterious half baked thoughts
[17:04] <nacelle> ;-)
[17:04] <Chillum> my watch or the attiny?
[17:04] <redrabbit> attiny
[17:04] <ali1234> attiny is just a chip, get it at digikey or w/e
[17:04] <redrabbit> the watch is from ali ?
[17:05] <redrabbit> 1m/week is good
[17:05] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[17:05] <Chillum> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5PCS-ATMEL-DIP-8-ATTINY85-20PU-Tiny85-20PU-CHIP-IC/32650906796.html
[17:05] <Psi-Jack> But it does seem most of the easily mountable Pi RTC's have the super capacitor. heh.
[17:05] <Chillum> I like them over the arduino/atmega328 for small tasks
[17:05] <Chillum> they are smaller, cheaper, use less power etc
[17:05] <ali1234> not sure i would buy buy AVR from china
[17:05] <Psi-Jack> Everything else I'm seeing usually has male pins.
[17:05] <Chillum> and don't need any external components
[17:06] <redrabbit> sounds good, i guess they need a bunch ofcircuits and components around
[17:06] <ali1234> atmega doesn't need external components these days :)
[17:06] <Chillum> good to have a bag of attiny85s around, useful for so many things
[17:06] <redrabbit> do you need rtc?
[17:07] <nacelle> Psi-Jack: there's definitely ones that had a battery sled on them that were in the same form factor as that ds module I showed ya
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[17:08] <nacelle> as horrible as this is, I start with shopping on adafruit/etc. then go looking elsewhere to make sure its not a big markup item
[17:08] <nacelle> they've curated what you need on a pi :-)
[17:08] <Psi-Jack> nacelle: Yes, there's that crappy SunFoundry one with the CR1220.
[17:08] <Psi-Jack> lol
[17:09] <nacelle> :-)
[17:09] * nacelle emphasises "starts" meaning "doesnt stay there" ;-)
[17:09] <Psi-Jack> I think I might go with the idea of the Super Capacitor one, since yeah, I don't expect my Pi to be unpowered for more than a day or two max.
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[17:10] <nacelle> i still give htem business every so often because I love the site
[17:10] <Psi-Jack> And if it does get powered down for that time, it /can/ recover.
[17:10] <nacelle> thats where I ended up
[17:10] <nacelle> i have old macs, you get to know this issue intimately well because of their pram batteries and such
[17:10] <Psi-Jack> And for $12.38, prime, I can get 5 of those DS3231's with Super Capacitors.
[17:11] <nacelle> then you can put two in one pi and it can have anxiety over which time circuit is correct ;-) (a person with one watch knows the time, a person with two watches is never sure.)
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[17:13] <redrabbit> Chillum: do you have ressources on how to use the ATtiny to wake up / power on a pi on a schedule
[17:13] <Chillum> just google "attiny85 sleep mode"
[17:14] <Chillum> it can sleep most of the time and wake up and trigger a gpio, go back to sleep
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[17:14] <Chillum> you will probably need to make an attiny programmer out of an arduino to program it
[17:14] <Chillum> but that is fairly simple
[17:14] <Chillum> there are also breakout boards that do that for you
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[17:17] <redrabbit> issue i have is the rpis use current when powered off
[17:17] <redrabbit> i guess i should completely cut power
[17:18] <redrabbit> using relays seems a bit overkill though, maybe some npn or pnp
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[17:18] <Chillum> a mosfet does not use power to stay on or off, just to change state
[17:18] <redrabbit> sounds proper
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[17:19] <Chillum> its base is like a capacitor, charge it up and it is on, drain it and it is off
[17:19] <Chillum> a deep sleep attiny is something in the order of microamps
[17:20] <redrabbit> i guess to cut power from the usb stuff im gonna have to hack the cables and get the red wire out
[17:20] <Chillum> or just have a usb input on your board
[17:20] <Chillum> and power the pi via the 5V pin
[17:21] <redrabbit> what do you mean by usb input
[17:21] <Chillum> are you making a pcb, or using breadboard, protoboard?
[17:21] <Chillum> like the microusb port used by the pi, you can install one on your own board
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[17:23] <redrabbit> i have an usb cable with dupont wires soldered and heat shrink
[17:23] <redrabbit> its easy to power from gpio with it
[17:24] <redrabbit> im going to develop it using breadboard and when its good protoboard probably
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[17:25] <redrabbit> powering from microusb is kinda evil
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[17:26] <redrabbit> especially if i need to distribute that power to a lot of gear
[17:26] <redrabbit> im gonna start with suspend and wake up then ill see for the rest
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[17:29] <Chillum> well, if you need more than 2A you probably don't want to use USB at all
[17:30] <redrabbit> i will use two usb connectors connected to a power pack
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[17:30] <redrabbit> one for the orange pi, the other for the rpi3
[17:30] <Chillum> that will work
[17:31] <redrabbit> well that's what i have atm, but without power control
[17:32] <redrabbit> it sucks the 98wh battery like theres no tomorrow
[17:32] <redrabbit> ill probably add a 3rd usb connector only to power the usb periphs
[17:32] <redrabbit> 3G dongle is a power sucker
[17:33] <nacelle> Psi-Jack: you might find my rtc notes about clock stabililty with the rtc, I cleaned them up a little, here ya go: https://pastebin.com/ijvW59Sh
[17:34] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, nice!
[17:34] <Chillum> the pi 3 is a power hog
[17:34] <Chillum> I use the pi zero for battery powered stuff unless I really need the extra CPU
[17:34] <redrabbit> is there anything to do to save power on the pi3
[17:35] <Chillum> /ram
[17:35] <redrabbit> like downclocking
[17:35] <redrabbit> i need the pi3 for that stuff because the point is to have a powerhorse i can remote login to
[17:35] <Chillum> and idle pi zero is like 80mA
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[17:35] <Chillum> have you seen the pi zero w?
[17:35] <redrabbit> i have a second version with a pi0w
[17:35] <Chillum> nice
[17:36] <redrabbit> its the "pocket" version
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[17:36] <redrabbit> kindof stuggling to install last aircrack on it by the way
[17:36] <Chillum> some rtc chips/boards can be setup to turn a pin on and off at certain times
[17:36] <Chillum> using very little power
[17:36] <redrabbit> i can only use vanillia debian packages and its a lot slower
[17:36] <Chillum> that might be an easier way to drive the mosfet
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[17:37] <Chillum> I have a pi, it runs besside and kismet
[17:37] <redrabbit> i have an arduino rtc module, im going to investigate that
[17:37] <Chillum> gathers wpa handshakes and maps their locations
[17:37] <redrabbit> the plan was to use a nano V3 to control the power and schedule
[17:37] <Chillum> two wifi dongles and a gps dongle
[17:37] <redrabbit> because i need to control so much thinggs
[17:38] <Chillum> runs for about 7 hours off my usb power bank
[17:38] <redrabbit> maybe attiny wont cut it
[17:38] <Chillum> you can put a fair bit of logic into an attiny
[17:38] <Chillum> 3 gpios, 4 if you disable reset
[17:38] <Chillum> not so much ram, but you don't need a lot of ram for this
[17:39] <nacelle> nice, i'm doing a very similar project with a pizero, two wifi nics and a gps
[17:39] <nacelle> thats literally teh thing i've been working on lately
[17:39] <nacelle> my problem is i need to get a monitor mode complient nic
[17:40] <redrabbit> i need to control like 5 power outputs with that setup
[17:40] <nacelle> so in the mean time i've written some python that writes the current gps position and the wireless information it sees at the time (ssids, their crypto, signal strength/channel, etc.)
[17:40] <nacelle> its like kismet-lame ;-)
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[17:40] <redrabbit> and send signals to 2 gpio for wake up
[17:41] <redrabbit> nacelle: awus 036nha
[17:41] <redrabbit> or awus036h
[17:41] <redrabbit> no N, but its the most sensitive
[17:41] <redrabbit> also, use lots more power, 1W vs .3W
[17:42] <nacelle> those are nice
[17:42] <redrabbit> awus036nha on the pi0
[17:42] <redrabbit> that's what i have on my pi0w setup
[17:43] <redrabbit> the 0w acts as a AP to get control
[17:43] <nacelle> i'm thinking more like a ralink rt5370
[17:43] <nacelle> because $5
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[17:43] <nacelle> and rp-sma jack
[17:43] <redrabbit> the awus036nha is the tool
[17:43] <redrabbit> cmon
[17:43] <redrabbit> ^^
[17:43] <nacelle> so I can put my own antenna on
[17:43] <redrabbit> you can on the awus036nha as well
[17:43] <nacelle> sure but those are like $40
[17:43] <redrabbit> i have tons of wlan stuff
[17:43] <redrabbit> 30$
[17:43] <redrabbit> worth it
[17:44] <redrabbit> and its low power
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[17:44] <redrabbit> even though its full size its using less than small stuff
[17:44] <nacelle> supposedly the rt5370 is very low power
[17:44] <nacelle> all I need is for listening
[17:44] <nacelle> so its not like it needs power to speak
[17:44] <redrabbit> its not
[17:44] <redrabbit> i have one
[17:44] <redrabbit> it sucks balls
[17:44] <nacelle> not sure i want it to beacon/etc.
[17:45] <nacelle> yeah? ok :(
[17:45] <nacelle> is there a smaller variant?
[17:45] <redrabbit> i mean its ok for the price
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[17:45] <nacelle> i guess I could wedge the pi zero into the awus case
[17:45] <redrabbit> but dont expect to get more than what you payed for
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[17:45] <redrabbit> its ok for operation without battery
[17:45] <nacelle> would that be possible?
[17:45] <redrabbit> but it gets hot
[17:45] <redrabbit> sucks power
[17:45] <redrabbit> and range is meh
[17:45] <nacelle> hrmm ouch
[17:46] <redrabbit> i use mine on a pi0 that is stuck on a window with a camera
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[17:46] <redrabbit> i got it from pihut but its very common and generic
[17:47] <nacelle> https://www.alfa.com.tw/products_show.php?pc=137&ps=246 lol i am not carrying this arround to scan with.
[17:47] <nacelle> _everyone_ would know.
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[17:47] <redrabbit> what is that thing
[17:47] <redrabbit> lol
[17:48] <nacelle> the 802.11ac modern version of the awus036nha, basically
[17:48] <nacelle> just seeing what else is out there
[17:48] <redrabbit> https://www.alfa.com.tw/products_show.php?pc=34&ps=92
[17:48] <redrabbit> https://www.alfa.com.tw/products_show.php?pc=34&ps=20
[17:49] <redrabbit> ok
[17:49] <redrabbit> id stick to tried and approved for good monitor mode operation
[17:49] <redrabbit> ^^
[17:49] <nacelle> yeah sure
[17:50] <nacelle> no doubt for what i'm doing i'd go with the awus036nha or something, especially hearing a rtlink is arse for someone
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[17:50] <redrabbit> trying to use stuff with wonky mon mode support is a pita you dont wanna get into
[17:50] <nacelle> i have gotten into that
[17:50] <nacelle> it is a pita
[17:50] * nacelle remembers the first time trying it with an ndiswrapper nic
[17:51] <redrabbit> i mean the rt5370 will do the job
[17:51] <redrabbit> its sucks power, gets hot, has poor ragen
[17:51] <nacelle> but not at low power?
[17:51] <redrabbit> but it works
[17:51] <nacelle> yeah
[17:51] <redrabbit> range*
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[17:51] <redrabbit> no fuss to get mon mode on
[17:51] <nacelle> I want low power if possible, and definitely low heat
[17:51] <tdn> What arcade joystick set do you recommend for building a raspberrypi arcade game station?
[17:51] <redrabbit> i use as much power as a whole rpi0w
[17:51] <redrabbit> it*
[17:51] <nacelle> i kind of want to have this in my backpack/pocket when i walk around
[17:52] <nacelle> the one wifi nic is used to connect to the pi, the other is used for scanning
[17:52] <redrabbit> 2 sec im posting a pic on mine ^^
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[17:52] <redrabbit> of
[17:52] <tdn> Would this one work? Or would I need a USB controller as well? https://goo.gl/5tPACF
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[18:07] <redrabbit> nacelle: https://imgur.com/gallery/hlj6B
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[18:07] <redrabbit> took me a while to cut and bend that custom mini to micro usb
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[18:09] <nacelle> nice
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[18:10] <nacelle> can you charge the battery bank and power the pi at the same time?
[18:10] <redrabbit> on the big boy yeah
[18:10] <redrabbit> not on the small one
[18:10] <nacelle> my battery bank currently powers the usb port off when its charging instead of providing pass through, kind of annoying
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[18:11] <nacelle> i dont want to have to shut down my pi everytime i come home, etc.
[18:11] <redrabbit> yeah its annoying
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[18:11] <redrabbit> make sure you get a power pack that does it
[18:11] <mnemonic> redrabbit: nice pics
[18:11] <nacelle> first world problems ;-)
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[18:11] <redrabbit> thanks
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[18:12] <Pennth> indeed. The alfa kit looks beautiful. The big one looks like a homemade pineapple
[18:12] <redrabbit> it does more than a pineapple
[18:12] <redrabbit> there is two machines on it
[18:12] <redrabbit> with uart link
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[18:13] <nacelle> now i want some pineapple!
[18:13] <Pennth> what's the little black and white module on the side of big boy?
[18:13] <redrabbit> fruits
[18:13] <redrabbit> yum
[18:13] <redrabbit> its a 3G dongle
[18:14] <redrabbit> i can put this anywhere in the world with cell coverage and ssh in from home
[18:14] <Chillum> hehe, try taking that through an airport
[18:14] <redrabbit> :>
[18:14] <Pennth> ohhh.. yeah, you've definitely built a tester deluxe there
[18:14] <Chillum> very nice, well organized
[18:15] <redrabbit> took me the whole night ^^
[18:16] <redrabbit> i have made a few versions before this one as well
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[18:16] <redrabbit> still needs power management.. i dont get the aaah feeling
[18:17] <redrabbit> almost half of the orange pi zero is left empty for this
[18:17] <redrabbit> case*
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[18:45] <tdn> Where do I find ROMs for Retropie?
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[18:45] <leftyfb> tdn: you won't find help breaking laws here
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[18:48] <GenteelBen> tdn what kind of ROMs?
[18:48] <leftyfb> tdn: http://retrospexinternational.com/nes-homebrew-roms/
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[18:53] <tdn> GenteelBen, games
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[18:53] <tdn> leftyfb, I do not want to break laws. This is perfectly legal where I am at
[18:53] <Habbie> tdn, other than leftyfb's link, you will get no help here
[18:54] <tdn> Habbie, where will I get help then?
[18:54] <Habbie> tdn, no idea
[18:54] <GenteelBen> https://www.habbie.com/ROMs/SNES/
[18:54] <Psi-Jack> tdn: This this involves copyright infringement, likely not on Freenode Network.
[18:54] <GenteelBen> tdn I will help you.
[18:54] <Habbie> GenteelBen, while perhaps funny, trolling is not very productive
[18:54] <Psi-Jack> GenteelBen: I will alsp report you to freenode staff if you do.
[18:54] <GenteelBen> Psi-Jack: I'll report you first.
[18:55] <GenteelBen> In fact I pre-emptively reported you.
[18:55] <Psi-Jack> That's good. Makes you more noticed. :)
[18:56] <brianx> tdn: germany has copyright laws and reciprocal agreements with both the us and japan. it is most certainly not legal in germany.
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[18:56] <GreeningGalaxy> wait, so giving an answer to "where do I find ROMs for Retropie" is illegal? is there even a legal way to use Retropie?
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[18:56] <shiftplusone> legal in $somewhere or not, take it to PM or google. Not here.
[18:57] <Habbie> GreeningGalaxy, leftyfb just gave a mostly legal answer
[18:57] <Psi-Jack> GreeningGalaxy: To the second question, no, not really.
[18:57] <Habbie> shiftplusone, that's the point, this channel is global
[18:57] <leftyfb> Habbie: sorry, I noticed after the fact the "mostly" part
[18:57] <thecha> ever since getting an expensive officially rpi powersupply the rpi only had to be restored from back up once in 3 days
[18:57] <Habbie> leftyfb, they covered themselves pretty nicely there, but indeed
[18:57] <thecha> pretty good!!!
[18:57] <Habbie> thecha, once in 3 days would be way below my standards
[18:58] <GreeningGalaxy> copyright law was a mistake
[18:58] <thecha> well i was on a severl time s per diem basis
[18:58] <brianx> GreeningGalaxy: it's questionable. the firmware of retropie and not just the game roms may not be legal.
[18:58] <Habbie> thecha, ah
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[18:58] <Habbie> GreeningGalaxy, perhaps, but it's what we abide by
[18:58] <redrabbit> thecha: never had that issue once with any of my 8 pis
[18:58] <redrabbit> heh
[18:59] <thecha> heh maybe i am too electrifiying
[18:59] <thecha> lucky on you
[18:59] <thecha> maybe the sd card
[18:59] <redrabbit> maybe ^^
[18:59] <thecha> of course it isnt the rpi itself but the sd card
[18:59] <thecha> but all of them give out when an error occurs
[19:00] <GreeningGalaxy> Habbie: I get it, I just find this present situation ("I'm telling on you!") ludicrous.
[19:00] <Habbie> GreeningGalaxy, i can understand that but it's what we have
[19:00] <redrabbit> thecha: what is the model of your pi
[19:00] <thecha> i bought the officially raspberry pi 3 b
[19:01] <redrabbit> do you have other cards
[19:01] <thecha> yes
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[19:01] <thecha> i tried others but i stuck with tihs one as it was the only one that didnt become so coruppted even fdisk was useless
[19:01] <redrabbit> it needs good ammount of power
[19:01] <thecha> 2 A
[19:02] <thecha> what about model 2?
[19:02] <thecha> that is a .4 A?
[19:02] <redrabbit> what was the first psu rated at?
[19:02] <thecha> or maybe a 1 A?
[19:02] <GreeningGalaxy> Doesn't the 3 basically need sizable but brief surge currents? might do well to just slap a giant capacitor on there.
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[19:03] <thecha> GreeningGalaxy→ good call, i will try just that i just bougth a bunch of them
[19:03] <thecha> but to late now i already bought the expensive one
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[19:04] <GreeningGalaxy> I mean like a 1F+ supercapacitor. You can get those in smallish packagsfesefsefsef
[19:04] <GreeningGalaxy> dammit, this internet connection is stupid
[19:04] <GreeningGalaxy> you can get those in smallish packages with 5 volt ratings
[19:06] <GreeningGalaxy> it might not really be practical, I think we're talking like half an amp for a few seconds, not brief enough to be effectively damped out by a capacitor if the power supply is really inadequate.
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[19:08] <GreeningGalaxy> otoh, if the problem is that the power supply can't switch between modes fast enough to keep up with the Pi or something, a cap could be perfect.
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[19:08] <thecha> then you use a battery of caps
[19:09] <thecha> 20 of them should do the trick no?
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[19:09] <kerio> what about a battery, instead :D
[19:09] <GreeningGalaxy> it's all about the total capacitance
[19:10] <GreeningGalaxy> and yeah at some point you'll be better off with a battery
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[19:10] <redrabbit> goo.gl/zPm2qG
[19:11] <redrabbit> 5v 2.5A costs nearly nothing
[19:11] <kerio> it's probably one of the most common formats
[19:11] <thecha> so the diference between 5.1 and 5 is not important?
[19:11] <thecha> no i think the mobile chargers ar emore common
[19:11] <GreeningGalaxy> capacitors are great for supplying huge peak currents for very short times, as long as the total charge expended during a transient draw (current integrated with time) is small compared to the total charge on the capacitor (voltage times capacitance). Capacitors aren't batteries.
[19:11] <thecha> maybe 1 A
[19:12] <thecha> or half that even
[19:12] <thecha> like .3A
[19:12] <redrabbit> 1.4€ shipping included
[19:12] <kerio> thecha: there's almost no way your pi is going to be sensible to the difference between 5.1V and 5V
[19:12] <thecha> nice i paid a 1000% premium
[19:12] <kerio> besides, you get some loss in the cable
[19:12] <mast> Its much more sensitive to amperage changes right?
[19:13] <thecha> what can cause those?
[19:13] <thecha> maybe if you drive lods with your pi?
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[19:14] <GreeningGalaxy> power supplies have a maximum current rating. that means that if you try to draw more current than that, the voltage will drop, which the Pi doesn't like. That's what's happening when the red PWR light blinks.
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[19:14] <kerio> GreeningGalaxy: or you'll break the power supply :D
[19:14] <redrabbit> you can even get two for 2,47€ that's 1,24€ a piece
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[19:14] <GreeningGalaxy> kerio: nah, if the power supply isn't truly dreadful, it won't be damaged, it just won't supply more current.
[19:14] <redrabbit> probably not worth messign with caps
[19:14] <mast> Side note: What happens when the pi gets fed inadeduate power? Does it downclock? Or just start crashing
[19:15] <kerio> mast: crashes are likely
[19:15] <kerio> downclocking doesn't really help
[19:15] <GreeningGalaxy> kerio: If you short-circuit most USB power supplies, you'll just get the maximum current they're rated to supply at a very low voltage.
[19:15] <Chillum> when it has less power than it needs it tends to corrupt the microsd card
[19:15] <GreeningGalaxy> they have internal feedback circuits to ensure this behavior.
[19:15] <kerio> Chillum: o no D;
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[19:19] <GreeningGalaxy> mast: depends on how inadequate, as always. If it's just a little bit inadequate, it will start getting unstable during heavy load, but if it's very bad then heavy loading might make it reboot abruptly (which can cause SD card bad stuff if it happens in the middle of a write) or it might just never succeed in booting because boot is pretty power-intensive.
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[19:20] <mast> Neat. I was just surprised the other day when I saw the flashing lightning bolt icon come up. Has the pi always done that?
[19:20] <kerio> it's a matter of videocore firmware i believe
[19:20] <kerio> but yes
[19:20] <oq> mines never done that
[19:20] <mast> (I had the pi plugged into what turned out to be what a poor adapter)
[19:20] <oq> but its also never had a screen
[19:20] <kerio> used to be a red square or something
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[19:31] <GreeningGalaxy> I think it used to be red square = overheat, rainbow square = insufficient power
[19:31] <GreeningGalaxy> now there are lightning bolt and thermometer icons
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[19:35] <GreeningGalaxy> oh come on, Debian is getting a kernel update but no Plasma 5.9?
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[19:43] <mast> neato
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[19:57] <de-facto> which is the most stable distro available for raspi 3?
[19:58] <ShorTie> raspbian
[19:58] <de-facto> are you sure?
[19:58] <ShorTie> it's made by the makers of the SoC
[19:59] <leftyfb> de-facto: why?
[19:59] <ShorTie> so who else would know what it can do ??
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[19:59] <ShorTie> why do you ask ??
[19:59] <de-facto> well because i get weird segfault issues with raspbian on std settings (except for running it on f2fs maybe)
[20:00] <brianx> almost the soc makers. a bunch of employees of the soc maker went off and started the company that makes the pi and raspbian.
[20:00] <ShorTie> 1st thing that comes to mind is power problems
[20:00] <de-facto> starting programs with big memory usage from bash causes some weird segfaults which and then autocomplete wont work until reboot and such
[20:01] <de-facto> sometimes chromium freezes the whole thing so only sysrq can safe the fs and such
[20:01] <ShorTie> check your micro-usb power cable for 24awg
[20:01] <de-facto> its the official plug
[20:01] <de-facto> i think it should be fine
[20:01] <de-facto> ran debsums, memtest 750 MB and all that with no errors
[20:02] <leftyfb> de-facto: don't run on f2fs
[20:02] <ShorTie> official plug doesn't tell much, i like 5.25v@3amp for my pi's
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[20:05] <de-facto> yeah its 5,1V/2,5A i think
[20:06] <de-facto> i dont think its power, i had it with some consumers on usb and never seen any colored squares or such
[20:07] <leftyfb> de-facto: don't run on f2fs
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[20:07] <de-facto> why not?
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[20:07] <leftyfb> "<de-facto> well because i get weird segfault issues with raspbian on std settings (except for running it on f2fs maybe)"
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[20:07] <de-facto> you think it might be from f2fs then?
[20:08] <leftyfb> don't you?
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[20:08] <de-facto> well i dont know, but id expect to get something about it in dmesg then if its f2fs
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[20:09] <shanee> Hello. I've got a Raspberry Pi 3 with HDMI audio output using bcm2835. However, it's proving pretty flakey. Sometimes it just "hangs" for a while and then 10s or so later starts working again. Is anyone else having similar issues?
[20:09] <leftyfb> de-facto: you're running raspbian which doesn't have these issues by default. You change the filesystem to f2fs and then have issues.
[20:09] <redrabbit> Chillum: i figured i have one of theses https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Digispark-kickstarter-development-board-ATTINY85-module-for-Arduino-usb/32584084654.html in my parts box, i could start using this to wake up the rpi ?
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[20:09] <de-facto> shanee, maybe its when memory runs full? when does it happen?
[20:10] <de-facto> how much gpu mem did you configure?
[20:10] <de-facto> you can see with cat /boot/config.txt and "free"
[20:10] <shanee> de-facto, 64mb I think. "free -m" suggests there's still quite a lot left (I think)?
[20:10] <leftyfb> gpu memory won't affect audio output
[20:10] <kaosine> heh found my index cards I drew my portable plans on....too bad I probably won't make it for awhile XD
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[20:11] <redrabbit> originally i wanted to use http://aliexpress.com/item/x/32648920631.html for power management i have it handy as well
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[20:14] <Jesperhead> hello, anyone here use their raspberry pi as a 3d printer controller?
[20:15] <Jesperhead> i am looking to do the same, i see a good bit of open source software to solve the problem, hoping to get opinions from existing implementors
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[20:17] <shanee> de-facto, Is there anything else I can try? Is it worth me buying a usb sound card?
[20:17] <de-facto> oh im not sure but i guess HDMI audio is pretty much standard
[20:17] <Chillum> redrabbit: yes
[20:18] <shanee> de-facto, Yes. I guess I'd need to somehow inject it into the HDMI stream?
[20:18] <de-facto> shanee, what exactly do you do when it hangs?
[20:18] <Chillum> though you might not want to use the regulator, as it may have a high quiescent current
[20:18] <leftyfb> Jesperhead: the pi is great to run something like octoprint or 3dprintos. It is not good to be the sole controller for the stepper motors and extruder. Use a microcontoller like a RAMPS board or smoothie board for that.
[20:19] <shanee> de-facto, Just playing the same mp3 with mplayer will sometimes cause mplayer to hang. (Sometimes never recovering).
[20:19] <shanee> Other times it plays fine.
[20:19] <shanee> Nothing else is running.
[20:19] <shanee> Chrome does it too.
[20:19] <de-facto> shanee, form me on raspbian it just works (HDMI audio), i can right click on the sound and choose HDMI output
[20:19] <Jesperhead> leftyfb: ah thanks for pointing that out. i am in fact using a ramps controller. I meant more meta "upload files, monitor progress, calibration, maybe video monitoring with the rpi camera"
[20:19] <leftyfb> shanee: that's not an HDMI audio issue. That's an mplayer/mp3 issue
[20:19] <de-facto> oh wait got vistors ringing my door
[20:19] <leftyfb> Jesperhead: octoprint or 3dprinteros
[20:19] <Jesperhead> thanks!
[20:20] <shanee> leftyfb, Well, Chrome does it too?
[20:20] <leftyfb> shanee: what OS are you running? Did you try other audio streams like youtube?
[20:20] <de-facto> back later
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[20:21] <leftyfb> shanee: i've run OSMC(kodi) and raspbian with Pixel desktop playing music and video and never had an issue
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[20:26] <Chillum> redrabbit: just power it directly by the 5V vs the VIN and it should work great
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[20:33] <shanee> leftyfb, I'm using raspbian with LXDE and pulseaudio. Youtube mostly works, but sometimes refreshes the video and hangs for a bit, so not entirely.
[20:33] <shanee> leftyfb, Google hangout has some really bad audio lag at first, then sometimes recovers for a bit.
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[20:47] <de-facto> i thought raspbian uses plain alsa audio though
[20:47] <de-facto> gstreamer works pretty stable with that
[20:48] <redrabbit> the attiny makes a cheap keystroke injector
[20:48] <redrabbit> quite neat
[20:48] <de-facto> for example like that for playing icecast streams gst-launch-1.0 souphttpsrc location=${URL} ! icydemux ! mpegaudioparse ! mpg123audiodec ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! alsasink
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[20:50] <Chillum> redrabbit: yes, I have used them for typing in 32 character randomly made passwords
[20:52] <de-facto> shanee, did you install pulseaudio in raspbian?
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[20:54] <shanee> de-facto, Sudo seems to make mplayer audio work. But not chromes. I'm not sure why.
[20:54] <shanee> de-facto, Yes. But I had the issue before that. (That's why I installed it)
[20:55] <de-facto> weird which monitor are you using with it?
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[20:55] <de-facto> i never had any audio issues on samsung tv yet
[20:56] <de-facto> and pulse uses alsa anyhow i guess
[20:58] <shanee> It's Blaupunkt
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[21:02] <Habbie> if sudo helps it is very unlikely that the brand of monitor matters
[21:02] <Habbie> -very- unlikely
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[21:12] <shanee> Habbie, How could I track down why sudo helps? I don't see any errors in the logs. (Nothing like, cannot access X)
[21:12] <shanee> It might hold the key to getting chrome working.
[21:12] <Habbie> i have no short answer
[21:12] <Habbie> and no time for a long answer
[21:12] <Habbie> sorry
[21:13] <Jesperhead> leftyfb: I don't suppose you've used octoprint?
[21:14] <brainzap> anyone know a cool open source uptime monitor, like pingdom, but not nagios lol
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[21:40] <shanee> Thanks anyway.
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[21:43] <Psi-Jack> brainzap: Umm.. Uptime?
[21:43] <Psi-Jack> That's it?
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[21:50] <Pennth> <3 https://jann.is/lego-macintosh-classic/
[21:50] <Habbie> Psi-Jack, the colloquial definition of uptime is not 'how long since a reboot'
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[21:54] <swift110> hey all
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[22:00] <Psi-Jack> But, that's exactly what uptime means. :)
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[22:28] <leftyfb> Jesperhead: yes. several
[22:28] <leftyfb> brainslug: uptimed
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[22:55] <arve> does anybody know what's up when a pi starts rejecting logins altogether?
[22:55] <arve> as in "Login invalid" as soon as I enter the default (pi) username?
[22:56] <reactormonk[m]> I plan on attaching light switches so I can manipulate them from my pi - suggestions on hardware for that?
[22:56] <arve> while I caved and installed Jessie from scratch, I'd like to know what's potentially wrong so I can fix it in the future
[22:56] <reactormonk[m]> Preferably nothing that has to go talk to a server on the internet somewhere.
[22:57] <arve> reactormonk[m]: Hueberry?
[22:57] <Jesperhead> reactormonk[m]: any particular reason for "lightswitches"? there are several "general purpose" switches for hobbyists with arduino/rpi for sale basically... everywhere
[22:58] <leftyfb> arve: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ssh/ scroll down to the bottom to "3. ENABLE SSH ON A HEADLESS RASPBERRY PI"
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[22:59] <arve> leftyfb: not the solution to my problem
[22:59] <arve> it started rejecting local logins
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[22:59] <leftyfb> arve: was the pi open to the internet?
[23:00] <reactormonk[m]> Jesperhead: I would like to control the lights in my room via pi. Standard cabling atm, I'd have to add in some hardware to flip the switch. Looking for some hardware to do that job.
[23:00] <arve> leftyfb: nope
[23:00] <arve> it was on a local network with one user, one computer
[23:01] <arve> the ssh session died last night, and today I couldn't log in to it
[23:01] <arve> dunno if there's been a power outage, because I was sleeping
[23:02] <arve> guess I'm just gonna image the SD card after I'm done with installing and configuring brutefir and shairport-sync again
[23:02] <leftyfb> tried rebooting it?
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[23:03] <arve> leftyfb: yes - as I said, it was as if the 'pi' user was entirely _gone_ from the system
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[23:04] <arve> if only jessie lite had had a recovery console, I could've analyzed it here, but, alas
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[23:06] <arve> setting this up again is a bit of a hassle - this thing was running an Airplay server with room correction :P
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[23:09] <humbot> full storage can cause logins to fail
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[23:11] <arve> there's nothing in this setup that should fill storage - literallly all this thing does is process realtime audio
[23:12] <arve> either way, it's a useful hint
[23:12] <arve> I'll monitor (or just plain nuke) any relevant logs
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[23:38] <muesli4> Hi, does anyone use the ILI9431 vertically? Do I have a cheap version of the display or is the viewing angle very small? (And yes I know the question is probably a bit off-topic.)
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[23:39] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
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[23:39] <Psi-Jack> You know... I just noticed something, and it's a little bit silly not to have. The RPi 3 does not have an Ipex Antenna socket.
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[23:46] <kerio> Psi-Jack: i believe the wifi antenna is embedded in the broadcom chip
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[23:47] <Psi-Jack> Umm... Yeah... That's not really that good. :p
[23:47] <Psi-Jack> I mean, even an ESP8622 has a kind of makeshift antenna on the board sticking out, some even have actual ipex connectors there to enhance that.
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[23:56] <BurtyB> Psi-Jack, it kinda has 2/3 of the pads
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[23:58] <Psi-Jack> Well it does in fact seem to have a place where you could put /a/ UFL connector in, just they didn't,
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[23:59] * fatalhalt (~fatalhalt@c-73-246-193-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[23:59] <Psi-Jack> Or a umcc, even.

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