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IRC Log for 2017-04-09

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[0:01] <xtina_> er
[0:01] <xtina_> so people make images of their sd card rather than use github?
[0:01] <xtina_> is that straightforwar dto do?
[0:01] <antisaint> Ive only ever pulled from git
[0:01] <antisaint> winimg for windows box, dd for nix*
[0:02] <antisaint> Its a snapshot tho and git let u update only partials. the img wastes space for sure but I dont often backup like i should >.<
[0:03] <antisaint> im lazy
[0:04] <xtina_> bleaurgh
[0:04] <xtina_> doesn't sound efficient
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[0:05] <xtina_> it's just strange to me that raspbian can get into this broken state and then people tell me i have to start over
[0:05] <xtina_> i can't imagine that happening on some other distros..
[0:05] <xtina_> "just give up and uninstall everything"...
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[0:06] <norlevo> your SD-card doesn't need to be broken...as long as it isn't on the compability list it may (or may not) produce weird errors
[0:06] <antisaint> Its never really broken... its just timely and tedious to repair.
[0:06] <antisaint> ^ norlevo points out, unless its hardware generated
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[0:07] <xtina_> is there a guide to repair it?
[0:07] <xtina_> i wasn't doing anything hacky, just installing some packages...
[0:07] <xtina_> people must run into this all the time, then
[0:07] <xtina_> ?
[0:07] <norlevo> no, you need to get one that isn't red on the list
[0:08] <xtina_> i dont mind tedious, just dont kno whow
[0:08] <norlevo> people do run into this all the time, thus the existence of that list :)
[0:09] <antisaint> 'apt-get -f install' outputs what now... as is nothing additional
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[0:10] <antisaint> apt-get install --fix-missing -f
[0:11] <antisaint> The most usefull imo for your instance:
[0:11] <antisaint> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/192451/debian-get-all-dependencies-updated-when-they-wont-be-installed
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[0:13] <l33n> anyone use poisontap
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[0:20] <xtina_> antisaint: wait, holy cow!
[0:20] <xtina_> for some reason, --fix-missing did the trick!!!
[0:20] <xtina_> *mind blown*
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[1:19] <antisaint> xtina_, ++ glad to hear
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[1:24] <xtina_> antisaint: thanks for the help!!
[1:24] <antisaint> Sorry if it wasnt direct but sometimes package managers get tricksey
[1:25] <xtina_> no problemo, i know how it is
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[1:36] <xtina_> btw, i'm not sure if this is the right q to ask in here, is anyone familiar with autoconf/autogen?
[1:36] <xtina_> i'm trying to install a gstreamer module: https://github.com/thaytan/gst-rpicamsrc/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed
[1:36] <xtina_> i'm trying to run the following cmd to build it: ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/
[1:36] <xtina_> but get an autoconf error: http://vpaste.net/TbMLq
[1:37] <xtina_> autom4te: need GNU m4 1.4 or later: /usr/bin/m4
[1:37] <xtina_> but i have m4 1.4.18
[1:37] <xtina_> 1.4.17*
[1:38] <drjam> gl with that one
[1:40] <antisaint> read your error, its telling u to try something with that lil
[1:40] <antisaint> lib
[1:42] <antisaint> also --libdir=/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/ isnt helping i bet
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[1:44] <xtina_> hmmm, i will try tweaking lib stuff then
[1:44] <antisaint> first id try to remove the lib from the command because specifying a lib overrides the installed ones
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[1:46] <antisaint> xtina_, I gtg, ill be back on here in a bit, pm me if u get hung up n ill try to toss u in the right direction.
[1:48] <xtina_> antisaint: thanks a lot man
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[2:25] <batch> is there a module i2c-bcm2835 ?
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[2:26] <batch> is i2c and spi loaded allready in the kernel for pizero?
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[3:10] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty. New shipment of stuff coming in. Including an Adafruit Feather HUZZAH, which has the LiPo charger/port on it.
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[3:22] <tjsimmons> Can you really not OC a Pi3?
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[3:23] <Psi-Jack> Oh, it's you again.
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[3:23] <tjsimmons> Bought one to use with my 5 year old to teach her to read and some programming/critical thinking concepts and we're using Tynker, which is a JavaScript heavy web app that isn't performing the best stock
[3:23] <tjsimmons> Me again? This is my first time on the chan
[3:23] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[3:23] <Psi-Jack> Just seemed familiar with that openning statement. :p
[3:24] <Psi-Jack> Sounds to me like you need to re-think how you utilize javascript, and do it right. :)
[3:25] <tjsimmons> It's not my app. It's a service that teaches kids coding and logical thinking.
[3:25] <tjsimmons> tynker.com
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[3:26] <tjsimmons> Anyhow. On an older Pi I'd OC it and problem solved. Doesn't seem to be a good/easy option with the 3 which is baffling.
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[3:29] <tjsimmons> So then is my assessment correct? No real way to OC the Pi 3?
[3:31] <pokmo> hi
[3:32] <pokmo> i've setup a samba server on my rpi, but file transfer speeds oscillate.
[3:33] <pokmo> when the speed is good, the smbd process uses about 50% of cpu
[3:33] <pokmo> when it's slow, smbd almost idles. does anyone know why?
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[3:45] <Psi-Jack> pokmo: Wireless, Ethernet? Tell us more details.
[3:45] <pokmo> Psi-Jack, it's ethernet
[3:45] <Psi-Jack> And the hardware.... Is.... What?
[3:45] <pokmo> the transfer would start at around 9-10Mb/s and maintain it for about 15s
[3:45] <amigojapan> hi, I have a problem with hexchar on the RPI, the end of the sentences that appear are truncated? shoudl I ask this here or in hte hexchat chanel?
[3:45] <pokmo> then drops to almost 0Kb/s
[3:45] <pokmo> Psi-Jack, it's a rpi 3
[3:46] <Psi-Jack> pokmo: What kind of load are you getting in general?
[3:48] <pokmo> Psi-Jack, during transfer, the load is around 3
[3:49] <pokmo> when the speed drops, kworker processes run though
[3:49] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. Well, that's not tooooo bad, though. That last statement though made no sense at all.
[3:51] <pokmo> Psi-Jack, i mean kworker processes keep running even when the speed drops
[3:51] <pokmo> using about 30% cpu each
[3:52] <pokmo> well 20% to be more accurate
[3:52] <Psi-Jack> Are you reading, or writing?
[3:52] <pokmo> Psi-Jack, i'm writing
[3:52] <Psi-Jack> Ahh. Yeah. What kind of SDcard is in that unit?
[3:53] <pokmo> it's a Class 10 SanDisk
[3:53] <pokmo> i'm writing to the USB stick on it
[3:54] <Psi-Jack> What's optop -b -o -t | grep -l kworker give you during the transfer?
[3:54] <Psi-Jack> err, iotop.
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[3:55] <Psi-Jack> And also, in another terminal, look at the results of this: while true; do date && cat /proc/vmstat | grep -E "dirty|writeback"; sleep 1; done
[3:56] <pokmo> ok
[3:56] <pokmo> thanks
[3:56] <nacelle> while sleep 1;do date && grep -E 'dirty|writeback' /proc/vmstat;done
[3:56] <nacelle> that burned my eyes, sorry.
[3:56] <Psi-Jack> haha
[3:56] <Psi-Jack> Eh, I suppose while sleep 1 works too. :)
[3:56] * nacelle golfs a little
[3:57] <Psi-Jack> And wow. Did I really miss the cat piped to grep? Ugh.
[3:58] * Psi-Jack goes to wash his filthy hands from that, then his eyeballs for seeing it.
[3:58] <nacelle> heheheehe
[3:58] <nacelle> i just want an endless donut
[3:58] <pokmo> Psi-Jack, hmm what should i look for there?
[3:58] <pokmo> i have some nr_dirty
[3:58] <Psi-Jack> pokmo: I'd pastebin some of the results.
[3:58] <pokmo> some _writeback
[3:59] <Psi-Jack> Well, about 30 seconds or so of the results.
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[3:59] <pokmo> Psi-Jack, here it is https://dpaste.de/Rgih
[4:00] <Psi-Jack> Did the transfer stop or something around line 205 of that paste?
[4:01] <pokmo> when _writeback = 0?
[4:01] <pokmo> yeah
[4:02] <pokmo> Psi-Jack, but there's a delay
[4:03] <pokmo> the transfer seems to have stopped for 3-4s before seeing 0
[4:03] <Psi-Jack> Stopped, or finished?
[4:03] <pokmo> Psi-Jack, well, hiccup
[4:03] <pokmo> when it oscillates to 0
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[4:04] <Psi-Jack> OKay. Well, that's not too bad then. Not that issue,
[4:04] <pokmo> Psi-Jack, during the pause, writeback remains constant for like 5s
[4:04] <pokmo> then drops gradually to 0
[4:05] <pokmo> something's blocking?
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[4:05] <Psi-Jack> Nope. That's good, means it's written to the disk already.
[4:06] <Psi-Jack> That's a good thing. :)
[4:06] <pokmo> oh. right
[4:07] <Psi-Jack> So, with that, hmm.. Somewhere else then. Put atop on there, watch it a few while it's going, see what's going on. Obvious things may start showing red on the display.
[4:09] <pokmo> Psi-Jack, you mean i should see something highlighted in red?
[4:09] <pokmo> i only get aqua
[4:09] <pokmo> oh, i see red now
[4:09] <pokmo> sda just stays red
[4:10] <pokmo> 100%-101%
[4:10] <Psi-Jack> So it is queuing up data writes because the sdcard is slowing down.
[4:10] <pokmo> ooh
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[4:10] <pokmo> is that what red means?
[4:10] <Psi-Jack> What kind of USB stick is it?
[4:11] <pokmo> it's red when during good and bad speeds
[4:11] <pokmo> Psi-Jack, it's not a very good USB stick. something i got for $10
[4:11] <pokmo> 64G!
[4:11] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, there's your problem.
[4:14] <pokmo> Psi-Jack, oh. so it's because of the slow USB rather than slow SD?
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[4:14] <Psi-Jack> Correct.
[4:14] <pokmo> right
[4:14] <pokmo> i guess i'll learn to live with it until i get a faster USB then
[4:15] <pokmo> thanks for the help!
[4:15] <Psi-Jack> Because, well, the sdcard in Raspbian is treated as an mmcblk device, not sda.
[4:16] <pokmo> yeah. sda is my USB
[4:16] <redrabbit> using usb storage also uses power vs sd card alone
[4:17] <redrabbit> i dont get why doing it when you can get any size of sd card for the same cost / lower
[4:17] <pokmo> so i guess there's very little IO for the SD during USB writes over samba?
[4:17] <pokmo> redrabbit, i do it merely because the USB is removable
[4:17] <pokmo> and i don't think i can get a 64G SD for $10
[4:17] <redrabbit> ah
[4:18] <redrabbit> you got a poor key for 10 so it wasnt worth it
[4:18] <pokmo> yeah, it's slow
[4:19] <redrabbit> not sure why you would need to remove stuff
[4:19] <pokmo> i'm just setting this up at my folks' place. as their little NAS
[4:19] <pokmo> they don't use it often
[4:19] <redrabbit> ok
[4:19] <redrabbit> makes sense to share the stuff plugged on the usb port though
[4:20] <pokmo> but i see where you're coming from
[4:20] <redrabbit> i thougt about doing this on the small server i made for my sister
[4:20] <redrabbit> for backups over vpn/ssh/rysnc
[4:20] <drjam> sonconded: go large SD or go homew
[4:20] <redrabbit> yeah
[4:21] <drjam> one less item to stuff up too :)
[4:21] <pokmo> yeah, i'm also running openvpn on it
[4:21] <redrabbit> same
[4:21] <drjam> openvpn, nice
[4:21] <redrabbit> i use an orange pi for mine to
[4:21] <drjam> ive got to lerarrn that stuff one day
[4:21] <redrabbit> though
[4:21] <drjam> orange pi.... how are they? i want to try one but not ure yet
[4:21] <redrabbit> drjam: https://designdesk.org/security/setup-openvpn-vps-local-server
[4:22] <drjam> powerful?
[4:22] <pokmo> i'm running an opi at home
[4:22] <redrabbit> they are good for the price
[4:22] <pokmo> it's very stable
[4:22] <redrabbit> i have 4
[4:22] <pokmo> i'm going to run a nano-neo
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[4:22] <redrabbit> its very easy, follow the steps mindlessly and you got your server
[4:22] <pokmo> yep
[4:23] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[4:23] <pokmo> i used the rpi script for setting up openvpn
[4:23] <Psi-Jack> My openvpn server is in my ERPOE-5.
[4:23] <pokmo> very easy
[4:23] <pokmo> actually, how secure is it to run openvpn at home?
[4:23] <pokmo> more/less secure than using a 3rd party?
[4:23] <pokmo> provider
[4:23] <redrabbit> more
[4:23] <Psi-Jack> For what? :p
[4:24] <pokmo> Psi-Jack, stuff :)
[4:24] <Psi-Jack> How does a 3rd party even come into play here?
[4:24] <redrabbit> yeah. depends on what aspects though
[4:24] <redrabbit> not for "anonymity"
[4:24] <pokmo> well, usually the go to method is to subscribe to PIA or something
[4:24] <redrabbit> which is a myth with vpns anyway
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[4:24] <pokmo> but do you get (more) anonymity with home servers?
[4:25] <redrabbit> its the best way to secure your on the go connection
[4:25] <redrabbit> and above all access your lan ressources from outside / other machines
[4:25] <Psi-Jack> ...
[4:25] <Psi-Jack> pokmo: You're making 0% sense.
[4:25] <pokmo> i guess you don't get anonymity since it'd be your home IP
[4:25] <Psi-Jack> LOL
[4:25] <redrabbit> there is no anonymity
[4:25] <Psi-Jack> You're not anonymous anyway. :p
[4:25] <redrabbit> it doesnt exist
[4:25] <Psi-Jack> ^
[4:25] <redrabbit> especially with vps
[4:25] <redrabbit> vpns*
[4:26] <Psi-Jack> VPN != anonymizer. VPN = bridge two networks with encryption over insecure networks.
[4:26] <redrabbit> well you might touch anonymity if you are a black hat
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[4:26] <redrabbit> if you use someone elses network
[4:26] <redrabbit> with some black market hardware from a secret bunker with satellite link to …
[4:27] <redrabbit> i don't know
[4:27] <redrabbit> :D
[4:27] <redrabbit> not from your house connection you pay for using a vpn you pay for
[4:28] <pokmo> well, i'm using the cafe next door's connection..
[4:28] <pokmo> so i guess i get a bit more anonymity :)
[4:28] <redrabbit> that's so d4rk 133t
[4:28] <redrabbit> you're probably impossible to trace back
[4:29] <pokmo> unless they start sussing their neighbour
[4:29] <pokmo> and start going through their dhcp
[4:29] <redrabbit> when using a cafe connection a vpn is recommanded
[4:29] <redrabbit> though
[4:29] <redrabbit> do you run your own network as well?
[4:30] <pokmo> but i often get blocked from accessing my vpns from hotspots
[4:30] <pokmo> even when they're running on 443 udp AND tcp
[4:30] <redrabbit> you cant setup a vpn at home without port forwarding
[4:30] <redrabbit> need a payed for connection usually
[4:30] <pokmo> i wonder how they can tell i'm making a connection to a vpn
[4:31] <pokmo> even when the destination is 443
[4:31] <pokmo> probably not through deep packet inspection
[4:31] <redrabbit> packet analysis
[4:31] <pokmo> shopping centres don't run packet analysis, right
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[4:32] <redrabbit> the hotspot software has some basic function that does it
[4:32] <redrabbit> checking for bad clients
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[4:33] <redrabbit> by the way when using a vpn disable webrtc to hide your ip
[4:35] <pokmo> redrabbit, yeah. but that's just a Chrome thing, right?
[4:35] <redrabbit> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10101469
[4:35] <redrabbit> nope
[4:35] <redrabbit> firefox aswell
[4:35] <redrabbit> any browser
[4:35] <pokmo> oh
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[4:36] <redrabbit> look at the link
[4:36] <redrabbit> theres info on vpn detection and how to bypass it
[4:36] <pokmo> yep
[4:36] <redrabbit> "obfsproxy, ShadowVPN, SoftEther, gohop..."
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[5:07] <pokmo> hmm now i have a bigger problem reading large files
[5:07] <pokmo> if i were to stream a 2G movie over samba, it's really choppy
[5:07] <pokmo> but the load average is just 1.12
[5:07] <pokmo> in atop, there's nothing red
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[5:13] <Psi-Jack> It's still related, I assure you.
[5:13] <Psi-Jack> But, using a RPi for a NAS, seems a bit silly to me.
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[5:15] <drjam> unless its needed remotely i guess
[5:16] <Chillum> the rpi is not great at high speed communications
[5:16] <Psi-Jack> ^
[5:16] <Chillum> the usb bus being the network bottleneck
[5:17] <redrabbit> some high speed sd card and rj45 cables should allow you to stream 1080p
[5:18] <redrabbit> mfa298: i adopted xming and i agree, its better than mobaxpos
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[5:25] <Zardoz> I have been stating to use it.
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[5:37] <Valduare> so what would be a fun use for my first gen raspberry pi zero
[5:37] <Valduare> no camera connector etc
[5:38] <Chillum> thermal printer driver
[5:38] <Psi-Jack> Hehe. I have a RPiZW coming. :)
[5:38] <Zardoz> pihole
[5:38] <redrabbit> gpio + rj45 usb
[5:38] <Chillum> I use one to print bitcoin keys on a thermal printer
[5:38] <Chillum> air-gapped
[5:38] <redrabbit> control power outlets with rf
[5:39] <redrabbit> control relays, use sensors..
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[6:41] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Looking for transistors to get. heh
[6:42] <brianx> what did you find?
[6:43] <brianx> hfe 200 or so. ce voltage of 50 or so.
[6:43] <Psi-Jack> Well, I'm trying to actually find it, but.. Seems most people list them as Polarity, Pcm(mW), lcm(mA), and Voltage.
[6:43] <brianx> npn
[6:45] <Psi-Jack> I'm considering this box, but don't really know yet how to get the hfe value they'd have. http://a.co/iFFQRA4
[6:45] <brianx> voltage of 50. npn. 400mw. not sure what an lcm is.
[6:46] <Psi-Jack> 150 :)
[6:46] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, or close to that, hmm
[6:49] <brianx> there are no specs on those. they also call small signal transistors "power transistors", not promising when they open with false information and omit almost everything else.
[6:49] <Psi-Jack> heh
[6:50] <brianx> 26 cents each in bulk isn't even cheap, you could get cheap transistors from digikey for that.
[6:51] <brianx> and digi gives full specs.
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[6:52] <brianx> mouser is often a better choice on price. they have plenty of selection.
[6:53] <Psi-Jack> That was a BJT?
[6:56] <[Saint]> I'm a little bit naughty when I want a small batch of components.
[6:56] <[Saint]> I usually just email the supplier and say I want a small batch for review.
[6:56] <Psi-Jack> heh
[6:56] <[Saint]> Usually get a dozen or so of $whatever shipped for free.
[6:57] <brianx> yes, those were bjt.
[6:57] <[Saint]> Admittedly, /sometimes/ that does end up in a large order. But often I abuse it.
[6:57] <Psi-Jack> Funny. :)
[6:58] <Psi-Jack> I'm on digikey's site using their transistor bjt single pre-phased search filtering. LOL
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[6:58] <brianx> pre biased?
[6:59] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, I'm wrong again eh? LOL
[6:59] <brianx> you don't need pre biased.
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[7:00] <brianx> just search npn transistor, choose the category with the most hits.
[7:01] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh...
[7:02] <brianx> filter to 50v and greater
[7:02] <brianx> sort by price.
[7:03] <brianx> 1st one with the right package is likely great.
[7:03] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, 50V, and greater?
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[7:04] <brianx> yeah. a 60v might be cheaper and is good.
[7:04] <brianx> ce
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[7:05] <brianx> get some fets while you're paying shipping.
[7:06] <brianx> small ones and big ones.
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[7:07] <[Saint]> Boba, or Jango?
[7:07] <brianx> a couple pnp as well. you need pnp less than npn.
[7:07] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm... $0.01560 for NPN 100mA 65V 500mV @ 5mA, 100mA, 200 hFE @ 2ma, 5V
[7:07] <Psi-Jack> That's... Dirt cheap.
[7:08] <Psi-Jack> Oh. But that's also 10,000
[7:08] <[Saint]> I recently did some landscaping, and I assure you, dirt is significantly more expensive.
[7:08] <brianx> yep. through hole? package should look like the ones from amazon.
[7:08] <brianx> you dont need more than 50.
[7:10] <Psi-Jack> Ahh here we go, the non-SMD's. :)
[7:10] <Psi-Jack> Changed package filters to tube. heh
[7:11] <brianx> that's like container.
[7:11] <Psi-Jack> Yep
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[7:12] <brianx> filter to through hole, it should be the right package by default for the cheap ones.
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[7:14] <Psi-Jack> ohhh lol
[7:14] <Psi-Jack> yeah..
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[7:16] <Psi-Jack> It's that minimum quantity thats urking me. cheap, at $0.35/pc, but minimum 2,000 to buy. heh
[7:17] <Psi-Jack> But. This time at least I could scroll down and see minimums at 1. ;)
[7:17] <Psi-Jack> Does the MHz matter?
[7:17] <MartinCz> Hi. I need to read a 16 bit word from one of the GPIO pins. Each pin will stay at its level for 100 milliseconds. Firs there will be a one pulse on the pin which will indicate the data will start coming in. Then there will be 16 bits coming in, each level staying for 100 milliseconds.
[7:18] <Psi-Jack> aha
[7:18] <brianx> not for this. there are places it does, but you're not likely to need them until you have a lot more skills.
[7:18] <MartinCz> Is there an example out there which would cover my case?
[7:19] <Psi-Jack> $0.22/pc, cut tape packaging. 50V, 400mW, 80MHz. heh
[7:19] <brianx> https://www.digikey.com/products/en/discrete-semiconductor-products/transistors-bipolar-bjt-single/276?FV=fff40015%2Cfff80078%2C1140050%2Ccb8000a%2Ccb8006c%2Ccb8000b%2Ccb8000d%2Ccb8000e%2Ccb8008d%2Ccb80094%2Ccb8000f%2Ccb80097%2Ccb80098%2Ccb80010%2Ccb800a7%2Ccb80011%2Ccb800ac%2Ccb800af%2Ccb800b5%2Ccb800b7%2Ccb80016%2Ccb80017%2Ccb80018%2Ccb80019%2Ccb8001b%2Ccb8001c%2Ccb80020%2Ccb80023%2Ccb80027%2Ccb80028%2
[7:19] <brianx> Ccb8002a%2Ccb8002c%2Ccb8002d%2Ccb8002e%2Ccb80030%2Ccb80032%2Ccb80033%2Ccb80034%2Ccb80036%2Ccb80037%2Ccb80038%2Ccb80039%2Ccb8003a%2Ccb8003b%2Ccb8003d%2Ccb8003e%2Ccb8003f%2Ccb80040%2Ccb80042%2Ccb80047%2Ccb80049%2Ccb8004a%2Ccb8004e%2Ccb8004f%2Ccb80009%2Cffe00114&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=1000011&page=1&stock=0&pbfree=0&rohs=0&k=npn+transistor&quantity=50&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25&pkeyword=npn+transist
[7:19] <brianx> or
[7:19] <brianx> eeak, sorry.
[7:19] <Psi-Jack> LOL
[7:19] <Psi-Jack> bit.ly that. LOL
[7:19] <brianx> seeing 2n5550tfr at 16 cents for 50.
[7:20] <brianx> i'm not at my desk, a bit crippled.
[7:20] <Psi-Jack> heh
[7:20] <Psi-Jack> Ahh yes. I see it.
[7:20] <[Saint]> long link is long.
[7:21] <Psi-Jack> That's what she said.
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[7:23] <Psi-Jack> hah
[7:23] <Psi-Jack> It just corrected me to say they have a lower-unitprice available for a higher quantity.
[7:23] <Psi-Jack> Nice. From 50 at $8.10, to 100 at $8.57
[7:23] <brianx> heh
[7:23] <brianx> looks like 100 then.
[7:23] <Psi-Jack> Indeed. LOL
[7:24] <brianx> I'm off to bed. will catch up tomorrow.
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[7:28] <Psi-Jack> hmm
[7:30] <Psi-Jack> Dang, I was looking up Zener. :)
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[12:04] <reactormonk[m]> My monitor just tells me about cable not connected when I start up the pi - do I need to install an OS on the microsd beforehand, or does it have one built-in?
[12:04] <reactormonk[m]> I'd expect it to have some kind of bootloader, so that should show up at least.
[12:06] <humbot> afaik the bootloader just reads the sdcard
[12:06] <reactormonk[m]> So I need the OS first?
[12:07] <humbot> i'm fairly sure you do
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[12:08] <[Saint]> s/i'm fairly sure/you absolutely/
[12:08] <[Saint]> bah - close enough.
[12:08] <[Saint]> TL;DR: No, there's no conventional bootloader, early init is handled by the GPU.
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[12:09] <[Saint]> And it reads from a FAT partition, or in later Rpis, USB/PXE.
[12:10] <[Saint]> Point is, boot magic and kernel needs to be supplied from _somewhere_ that isn't the pi itself.
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[12:10] <[Saint]> The near complete lack of any ACT led indication should've been a hint.
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[12:17] <thecha> is it a good idea to have systems OS run on an external subhdd?
[12:17] <thecha> hdd-usb?
[12:18] <thecha> would the system become more stable by using a usb stick instead?
[12:18] <ShorTie> doesn't ,atter with a good power supply
[12:18] <ShorTie> s/,atter/matter/
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[12:22] <thecha> ty ShorTie
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[12:25] <ShorTie> and i like to define good power supply as 5.25v@3amp .. :/~
[12:26] <mfa298> most peoples issues seem to come down to bad power or bad sd, get a decent sd (sandisk ultra, samsung evo) and a good psu (the official one is a good place to start) and you should have a stable pi
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[12:29] <reactormonk[m]> The Pi has 4 virtual cores? O.o
[12:31] <mfa298> The Pi2 and Pi3 have 4 real arm cores
[12:32] <reactormonk[m]> Ah, I didn't assume they're real. Nice.
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[12:33] <reactormonk[m]> Somehow the default user/password (pi/raspberry) doesn't work - did it change? https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/usage/users.md
[12:34] <reactormonk[m]> ah, us keyboard.
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[12:34] <mfa298> on x86 there's the concept of logical cores (which might be what you're thinking of as virtual cores) with hyperthreading.
[12:36] <mfa298> which is due to x86 using a CISC (complex instruction set) based architecture, where they get soem exrra performance by getting each cpu core to (sometimes) do two things at once. ARM (as used on the Pi) is a RISC (reduced instruction set) form of architecture meaning there's less redundant silicon on the chips
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[12:42] <reactormonk[m]> Hmm, how do I do a password reset on a pi? chroot doesn't really work...
[12:43] <ShorTie> rest or change ??
[12:44] <ShorTie> reset or change ??
[12:44] <reactormonk[m]> Either will work
[12:44] <reactormonk[m]> I copypasta'd my /etc/shadow entry, let's see if that works
[12:44] <ShorTie> sudp passwd ??
[12:45] <reactormonk[m]> Doesn't work if you're not logged in ^^
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[12:46] <reactormonk[m]> Yup, worked.
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[13:27] <Kerr-A> I want to send and receive communication with a device using SPI... What's the quickest way to make something happen... is there a wiring-pi utility?
[13:28] <mfa298> that may depend on the language you're using
[13:28] <mfa298> I think wireingPi has some wrappers for the spidev functions if you're using C/C++
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[14:21] <|DM|> Hello, does anyone know where I can buy raspberry pis in a physical store in milano ?
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[14:21] <|DM|> Also, I'm assuming the absurd markup im seeing for raspberry pi zeros is because the shortage never ended ?
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[14:25] <mfa298> the official distributers are still limited to 1 per customer per order for the zero
[14:25] <mfa298> although I think they usually have stock these days.
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[14:26] <mfa298> If you're after a zero you might find buying them from the official retailers works out cheaper than somewhere local with a high markup (probably as they're having to buy them one at a time)
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[14:32] <|DM|> Sadly none of the official retailers in europe offers a physical store
[14:32] <|DM|> So I'd end up paying a 10~euro markup for shipping & import
[14:32] <|DM|> And they only have the model w anyways, so that hits 20 euros.
[14:33] <mfa298> you probably shouldn't have to pay any import taxes as it's all within europe. Just shipping
[14:33] <|DM|> I'm outside the eu, so I do end up payingimport actually
[14:33] <|DM|> serbia, specifically, if it matters.
[14:34] <|DM|> Going on a trip to italy, was hoping to snag some PIs but it seems the only thing that'll work for me is the 3B
[14:34] <|DM|> None of the others have wifi right ?
[14:34] <mfa298> chances are you'de end up paying more in a store as you'll have the same shipping & taxes + the shops expenses
[14:34] <shauno> just the 3b and the 0W
[14:35] <mfa298> when you said milano I was thinking that was italy, not serbia
[14:35] <|DM|> If I buy physically inside the eu, and bring it with me, I dont pay shipping nor taxes
[14:35] <|DM|> I am on a trip to italy yeah
[14:36] <shauno> I'm surprised you have to pay import though. we don't get hit for that if it's under a certain (e70?) value
[14:36] <|DM|> Up to the mood of whoever does the checking
[14:37] <|DM|> So I guess, in the end, no physical retailer in milano/italy stocking 0w ?
[14:37] <mfa298> there might be, but you'de probably need to find someone that lives there to find out, and it may well cost as much as shipping and import anywhere else.
[14:40] <|DM|> Ah well. Was worth a shot anyways.
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[14:41] <mfa298> even in the UK I think it would cost more to get a Pi3 from a highstreet retailer than it does to get it from an online store
[14:42] <mfa298> looks like £34 from cpc (online) and £37 from maplin (highstreet)
[14:42] <shauno> wouldn't surprise me. the only brick'n'mortar I can think of here is maplin, and they charge like .. a one meeeelion dollars for anyything
[14:42] <mfa298> although I thought CPC was cheaper than that - but I've not bought a Pi3 for a while
[14:44] <|DM|> is that 34 including shipping ?
[14:45] <|DM|> Man, I wish they'd have just upped the markup on the zero and offloaded the production. Would have made everyone happier
[14:45] <mfa298> the last times I've used CPC shippng is free
[14:46] <mfa298> AIUI the aim of the Zero is to be as close to zero cost as possible and to get them into as many peoples hands as possible, which is why there's the low price and limited ordering.
[14:46] <|DM|> Im fairly sure they'd reach more hands if more than 50k got made a month
[14:47] <mfa298> for some people CPC and RS are also local stores (I've got an RS store just down the road)
[14:47] <shauno> I'd be broke if RS was my corner shop
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[14:48] <mfa298> I think the 50k/month (might be more now) is more a limit of production line than anything else - the same line(s) are doing other Pi models as well so if the Zero production went up the other models would have to be reduced.
[14:48] <mfa298> I suspect that's half the reason we're still waitign for the 3A to get launched
[14:49] <mfa298> shauno: less broke than with maplin as the corner shop
[14:49] <shauno> nah. maplin costs enough that I think twice
[14:49] <mfa298> I've got two maplins and one RS within a few miles
[14:49] <|DM|> No, the zero is, as far as I know, inhouse. So its not on the same lines
[14:50] <mfa298> |DM|: they're all made on a production line run by Sony in Wales
[14:50] <mfa298> it's just that different people supply the components for the various models (farnell/RS for most models, RPT for the Zero)
[14:51] <mfa298> there's also been some production in China and Japan but I'm not sure which models they cover.
[14:52] <mfa298> I'm not sure how recently China has been used (may have only been earlier models), Japan is a fairly recent addition
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[14:52] <|DM|> Oh, I see.
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[14:52] <shauno> I think the chinese production is just for that market? the red pis
[14:53] <|DM|> I still wish I could get my hand on like, 10 zeros at a time. I'd even be happy paying a 50-75% markup
[14:53] <mfa298> shauno: RS have the added disadvantage that you can get a trade account, which means you don't pay for a few weeks
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[15:27] <rymate1234> what version of GTK does the pi raspbian image come with?
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[15:40] <HrdwrBoB> rymate1234: a modern one
[15:40] <HrdwrBoB> why
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[16:27] <rymate1234> HrdwrBoB, developing a GTK based application and want to make sure I build it against the right gtk version
[16:28] <leftyfb> rymate1234: aren't you able to check on your pi?
[16:29] <rymate1234> what command to check
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[17:17] <Psi-Jack> Hmm interesting.
[17:17] <Psi-Jack> openHAB is actually somewhat better than I imagined.
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[17:18] <Psi-Jack> Kinda more complicated to setup initially, but it does things, including, by itself, integrates with HomeKit without the need for homebridge.
[17:20] <Psi-Jack> And.. Most of all, it can integrated directly into a touch screen panel with voice recognition.
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[17:42] <GenteelBen> Aren't most engineers bald, baldengineer?
[17:43] <GenteelBen> Bald or balding.
[17:43] <baldengineer> I doubt it
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[17:54] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, no.
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[18:24] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
[18:25] <Psi-Jack> I wonder how hard it would be to make a decent custom-made smoke+co+lpg sensor that was reliable enough for home use.
[18:25] <Psi-Jack> I see things like the MQ-2 sensor for potentially this kind of thing, just don't know how reliable such a thing would be.
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[18:27] <Psi-Jack> Then again.. Hmm.. I guess maybe I don't really need a CO sensor, as I have absolutely no gas in my house. heh
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[18:34] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, I suppose maybe the MQ-2 might be more than sufficient for what I'm aiming for.
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[18:41] <jsgrant-_> Is a pi-top worth the money, for a 'luxury item'? Don't plan on using it day-to-day -- but would be nice to throw a tiling wm on there and play around.
[18:41] <jsgrant-_> Hard for me to justify paying 200+usd for it though.
[18:43] <Chillum> I just use ssh or vnc
[18:43] <Chillum> if you don't already have a monitor for the pi it makes sense
[18:44] <jsgrant-_> Chillum: In-regards to me?
[18:45] <Chillum> for the pitop
[18:45] <Chillum> I already have extra monitors so I don't think I would get it
[18:45] * jsgrant-_ more-so like the idea of a trivial means to a battery & the fact that it's somefactor of "modular"; Though obviously by no way is this exclusive to it.
[18:45] <Chillum> I have batteries too
[18:45] <Chillum> if I wanted to make a portable screen and battery etc, I would have trouble doing it that cheap and nicely
[18:47] <jsgrant-_> If that price point just bordered a-little above 100usd ... they'd probably sell a lot more units; But yeah, it really doesn't offer anything besides a somewhat nice pre-built formfactor.
[18:47] <jsgrant-_> Still kinda want it though. :^P
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[18:49] <jsgrant-_> Maybe in 10+ years, there will be a big enough hobbyist market around Risc-V & w/ home-fabrication/advanced 3d-printing,, that it'll satisfy my pephrially-based bloodlust.
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[18:52] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Heh, my scope just arrived.
[18:52] <Psi-Jack> Time to fire up the hot pencil. :)
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[18:54] <brianx> yay!
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[18:56] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, this is gonna be fun. :)
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[18:57] <polprog> Psi-Jack: what make and model?
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[18:57] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I love how the instructions start off with "If your kit does not have SMD devices pre-soldered...."
[18:58] <Psi-Jack> polprog: It's a Kuman JYE Tech DIY kit.
[18:58] <polprog> Ah DIY :)
[18:58] <polprog> cool
[18:58] <Psi-Jack> hehe
[18:58] <Psi-Jack> Hence, the need for the soldering iron. :)
[18:59] <Psi-Jack> Course, the sad thing is. Hmmm.. Should I assemble today, or wait till tomorrow when I'll have my visor, helping hands, and circuit board holder? :)
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[19:01] <Psi-Jack> Heh, interesting.
[19:01] <Psi-Jack> I love how Step 1, is... Check the main board by plugging in the 9V power supply, and checking the buttons, which are in the bag not on the board.
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[19:08] <Psi-Jack> Oh, even better. Step 1 is to check the main board by powering it up, and part 3 of that is to test the buttons (after they have been installed). Like, wow guys..
[19:09] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I think I'll start on this tomorrow when I have the proper tools to really do this right, and easily.
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[19:12] <polprog> well i think you should assemble the stuff today, you dont need anything other than flux, solder and iron for SMD sizes up to 1206 or 0603 if you have a steady hand
[19:12] <Psi-Jack> The other funny part is you have to de-solder an SMD during the process, which makes the switch work (so you can test it without the switch LOL)
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[19:16] <polprog> as long as it's 3 or 4 terminal, you can easily remove it without damaging it
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[19:16] <polprog> 2 or 3 *
[19:17] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, it's just an SMD resistor. I got the solder wick also arriving tomorrow, I think.
[19:17] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. That's in tomorrow's shipment.
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[19:20] <polprog> i'm curoius how will it work as a scope, i never believed theese kits can get some usable sampling rate
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[19:20] <polprog> i'm sure it's good for looking at signals, but no more than that
[19:21] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[19:22] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. Well, it was cheap, I needed a scope, at least for some level of usefulness, and so, here I have something. :)
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[19:28] <polprog> Psi-Jack: have fun :D
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[19:39] <Psi-Jack> heh
[19:39] <Psi-Jack> Loads.
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[19:41] <Psi-Jack> I do like how it has a DC 9V input externally, and "optionally" a 2-pin internal power connector so you could technically put a 9V battery in, if you can stabilize it heh
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[19:43] <redrabbit> what was the cost like
[19:43] <Psi-Jack> Was $40
[19:44] <redrabbit> i should get one on of theses days
[19:44] <redrabbit> tell me if you like it after a while
[19:44] <redrabbit> running multiple rpi with cameras over wlan sucks
[19:45] <Psi-Jack> Though, now that I /see/ the real details, the Mrsa is 1MSa/s
[19:45] <Psi-Jack> So, not the 15Msa/s I as expecting it to be. But, eh. It'll work for some things.
[19:46] <redrabbit> im thinking about using a third dedicated AP for the cameras
[19:46] <redrabbit> on another channel
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[19:47] <Psi-Jack> I have basically 3 segmented networks.
[19:47] <redrabbit> wiring one of the cams would be the best
[19:47] <Psi-Jack> 1, my server network. 2, my regular computer network, and 3, my IoT network.
[19:47] <redrabbit> i need an iot network as well
[19:47] <redrabbit> too much of these things
[19:48] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[19:48] <redrabbit> atm i keep everything on the same ip range but i use multiple APs
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[19:48] <Psi-Jack> I just have some specific ACLs and firewall rules that allows the regular network access to the IoT network without having to jump onto a different access point.
[19:49] <Psi-Jack> But, otherwise, they're restricted reasonably well. :)
[19:51] <redrabbit> i have a second AP that is linked with rj45 to the main AP to extend coverage but its still not enough. i'll probably swap this ap for something more powerful
[19:51] <redrabbit> when the cameras are each on one AP its running smooth
[19:51] <redrabbit> when they are both in range of the same AP, meh
[19:52] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Yeah. I have the UAP-AC-Lites for my home, both passive PoE connected by dedicated cat6 lines.
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[19:54] <Psi-Jack> What I'm likely to do in the end, because having too many AP's in one small area will cause interference, especially in the 2.4GHz range as these ESP8266's are using, it'll be problematic.
[19:55] <Psi-Jack> So I'll likely move the IoT to the normal network, and isolate each module by MAC with ACLs, and VLAN them as well.
[19:55] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. Well, I need.. Food.
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[19:59] <Psi-Jack> I have a plan now, for tomorrow at least, and some or the rest of today later. Further evaluation of openHAB, some more programming, and improved reed+vibration/motion sensing doors. :)
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[20:21] <jmadero> hi all - I'm trying to add a bash script to my startup but nothing is happening when I add it to .bashrc
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[20:24] <mfa298> jmadero: .bashrc is used by the shell when logging in, it's not the place to put things to run on startup.
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[20:25] <mfa298> creating a systemd service, using rc.local, or creating an @reboot cronjob are all better options for starting things on boot
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[21:01] <polprog> jmadero: http://stackoverflow.com/a/12973826
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[21:09] <Psi-Jack> jmadero: What?
[21:10] <Psi-Jack> heh
[21:10] <Psi-Jack> systemd service unit, definitely for something that should be running persistently as a system service.
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[21:31] <brianx> Psi-Jack: i did a search on the cheap 2N5550 over at mouser and $6.60 for 100 of them over there. i didn't search for anything cheaper.
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[21:32] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Wow, that is pretty cheap.
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[21:35] <brianx> mouser doesn't search as well, but it is usually cheaper. given how non -critical today's application is, mouser's search is enough.
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[21:38] <jmadero> Psi-Jack: I added it to systemd but it's still not running :-/
[21:38] <Psi-Jack> jmadero: how did you "add it to systemd?"
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[21:40] <brianx> Psi-Jack: searching by spec on mouser resulted in several choices at $5.70 per 100.
[21:40] <Psi-Jack> I probably only need like 20~50 for now, though, if that. LOL
[21:40] <jmadero> Psi-Jack: created /lib/systemd/system/sample.service, chmod 644 to that, reloaded and enabled
[21:41] <brianx> $2.72 per 20.
[21:41] <Psi-Jack> jmadero: For starters, that's wrong. /etc/systemd/system is where you should be putting that since it's custom. And chmod? Why did you chmod? How did you reload, how did you enable?
[21:41] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Yeah! That works!
[21:41] <jmadero> Psi-Jack: followed an online guide, sudo systemctl daemon-reload. sudo systemctl enable sample.service
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[21:41] <Psi-Jack> I didn't ask what you followed. I asked what you actually did.
[21:42] <jmadero> "And chmod" - my explanation was I followed the guide, what I did was chmod 644
[21:42] <Psi-Jack> ...
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[21:50] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
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[21:51] <leftyfb> ali1234: any idea when you'll have more stems? I need more and another makerspace member wants some as well
[21:52] <ali1234> i have ordered more boards
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[21:56] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Okay, what I need now is a part number for the right kind of zener I need. :)
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[22:20] <brianx> Psi-Jack: 1N5226BTR looks good at mouser. i suggest getting a dozen different voltages. from 2v up to 30v.
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[22:26] <Psi-Jack> Those are more specific to the required voltages, eh?
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[22:27] <Psi-Jack> Is that for the Vf you mean 2V-30V?
[22:27] <brianx> the one i listed is a 3.3v which is what this project needs. that series likely comes in dozens of values.
[22:27] <brianx> Vz
[22:27] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, Vz, gotcha.
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[22:44] <nealshire> hey really quick, what's the correct orientation for a gpio ribbon cable?
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[22:46] <leftyfb> nealshire: the red/black line is pin 1
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[22:48] <nealshire> so I had it right in the first place. cool. (right?) http://i.imgur.com/SmOBDOf.jpg
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[22:50] <leftyfb> yep
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[23:06] <tumble4ya> can i branch off a dc source of power(battery pack), hook up a voltage regular, and use that to power my raspberry pi? the battery pack is from a boombox
[23:07] <tumble4ya> and i intend for the boombox to run too
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[23:10] <gordonDrogon> tumble4ya, yes - as long as your regulator can provide enough current at 5v to power the Pi ....
[23:12] <tumble4ya> cool, i want to do the ben heck boombox project, just with the pi instead
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[23:26] <polprog> what did ben heck use?
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[23:27] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, where's a good place to get 2-lead wire, 22AWG stranded?
[23:27] <polprog> radioshack?
[23:27] <nacelle> hardware store?
[23:27] <nacelle> thats common
[23:27] <polprog> i suppose youre in us
[23:28] <nacelle> (security, thermostat lead, etc.)
[23:28] <Psi-Jack> Heh, Radio Shack filed bankruptcy.
[23:28] <polprog> oh
[23:28] <Psi-Jack> Again. :)
[23:28] <Psi-Jack> Seems they shut down the two local stores they had had here.
[23:28] <nacelle> phone too in some cases, but a lot of modern phone is 24awg to save cashishsssss of the 1%
[23:29] <nacelle> j/k
[23:29] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
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[23:29] <Psi-Jack> I was looking on Aliexpress, but I can either get black pvc insultated, or red and white insulated, but what I actually want is white pvc insulated.
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[23:38] <Kerr-A> So on my raspberry pi I did sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade...
[23:38] <Psi-Jack> Congratulations!
[23:38] <Kerr-A> now for some reason My pi isn't assuming the static IP address I gave it, rather its getting one from the router
[23:39] <Kerr-A> also It can't talk to other computers on the network now, nor can other computers talk to it... but it can get to the internet
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[23:39] <d0rm0us3> So for some strange reason 'sudo apt-get upgrade' overwrote your configs?!?
[23:41] <Kerr-A> No, dhcpcd.conf is still the same
[23:41] <mfa298> Kerr-A: did you configure the static IP throguh /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/dhcpcd.conf
[23:41] <Kerr-A> as in /etc/nerwork/interfaces
[23:42] <Kerr-A> mfa298: the latter
[23:43] <mfa298> well done for at least doing it the right way :)
[23:44] <Kerr-A> buuut... I can no longer SSH into my pi >_<
[23:44] <mfa298> although I'm not sure why (or even if) apt-get would break your static ip
[23:44] <mfa298> it might be worth looking through the logs (in /var/log) to see if anything suggests why it's not working
[23:46] <Kerr-A> huh... sudo su gives me a message: "Sudo: unable to resolve host raspberrypi"
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[23:46] <l33n> is samy here?
[23:47] <mfa298> that ususally means you've lost an entry from /etc/hosts
[23:47] <ali1234> ubuntu has a bug where, when you do an upgrade, the interfaces all get renamed
[23:47] <ali1234> they start off as eth0 and wlan0, then after an upgrade you get the udev persistent names
[23:48] <mfa298> ali1234: you could have stopped that sentence after bug, also s/a/many/
[23:49] <ali1234> the funny thing is that this only happens on the "official" image
[23:49] <ali1234> the unofficial ubuntu-mate images work fine
[23:49] <Kerr-A> well I think I'm going to torch it and start over
[23:50] <mfa298> Kerr-A: you learn more from going throguh the log files to determine why it's not doing what you expect.
[23:50] <mfa298> starting over should be a last resort
[23:53] <l33n> has anyone ever used poison tap?
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