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IRC Log for 2017-04-10

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[0:03] <JohnnyBitcoin> hello
[0:03] <JohnnyBitcoin> is it possible to make a pi3 cluster that runs xenserver?
[0:06] <polprog> yes, probably
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[0:13] <mfa298> xenserver is x86 virtualisation isn't it?
[0:13] <JohnnyBitcoin> yes, but i think there is an arm version
[0:14] <mfa298> if so it's probably very dependant on being run on x86 hardware with suitable virtualisation options
[0:14] <[Saint]> Hum...has Raspbian/Raspberry Pi Foundation deliberately crippled/modified dphys-swapfile?
[0:14] <[Saint]> seems to default to 100M, when the usual dphys-swapfile default is RAM/SDRAM * 2.
[0:16] <mfa298> if xenserver is doing some arm stuff it might be aimed more at larger enterprise arm stuff which I think exists
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[0:18] * [Saint] goes back to using a dedicated swap partition and throws away this dphys-swapfile madness.
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[0:18] <mfa298> JohnnyBitcoin: a quick google gives https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_with_Virtualization_Extensions which probably has more answers than anyone here woudl have
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[0:19] <[Saint]> far too difficult to manage encrypted swap with dphys-swapfile.
[0:19] <mfa298> [Saint]: I think there's a config file somewhere to change what it does
[0:19] <[Saint]> Possible, certainly, but more difficult than it's worth
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[0:19] <mfa298> although if you know you want swap, a dedicated partition is probably the easier route
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[0:20] <[Saint]> Yes, then I can use cryptswap as well, instead of dm_crypt and convoluted per-user service magic.
[0:21] <[Saint]> normally I use hardware backed crypto, but...that's not an option on Rpi, so...this.
[0:22] <[Saint]> FDE isn't worth it with the performance hit on this limited hardware, so I just encrypt what actually matters.
[0:22] * KindOne- is now known as KindOne
[0:23] <[Saint]> $HOME, $TMP, /swap, and /var/log...and a few assorted extras.
[0:25] <[Saint]> though $TMP and /var/log are non-persist by way of tmpfs, so the use there is questionable.
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[0:42] <[Saint]> Bah. It's so annoying having pdiffs enabled for apt and seeing the external sources added that actually support .pdiff files that you've added to your sources.list only download a few kb, in like a second...and then hit the Raspbian/RPF sources, which don't support .pdiff for some ungodly reason absolutely crawl downloading several MB over the course of tens of seconds.
[0:42] <[Saint]> Raspbian /used to/ support .pdiff generated sources...why they don't now is beyond my comprehension.
[0:44] <[Saint]> Even if pdiff is disabled by default in Raspbian, which it is (a sane decision at the time, but a highly questionable one now), I don't see why you wouldn't generate .pdiff files for your sources.
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[0:49] <mfa298> just setup a local apt caching server, that way once you've downloaded the update once it's superfast for the next pi
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[0:49] <mfa298> most of my pis point to a local vm running squid-deb-proxy
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[0:52] <batch> hey guys i'm having problems with scanning for networks with second adapter in pi zero w
[0:53] <batch> wlan1 Interface doesn't support scanning : Operation not supported
[0:53] <batch> using iwlist wlan1 scanning
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[0:55] <batch> wlan1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 link/ieee802.11/radiotap
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[1:26] <brianx> Psi-Jack: not sure what happened, but my irc bouncer crashed. last thing i got from you was <Psi-Jack> Ahh, Vz, gotcha.
[1:27] <brianx> to find all the zener voltages for that series, see the catalog page, or if you can't find the catalog page, the datasheet.
[1:27] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, where's a good place to get 2conductor wire, 22AWG stranded? Heh, looking to also try to get white, along with decent normally closed magnetic switches, preferably from the same place.
[1:27] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Basically all I had after that.
[1:28] <nacelle> adafruit probably has that, but the prices wont be the best
[1:28] <nacelle> tolerable though
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[1:29] <brianx> Psi-Jack: i've not bought white 2 conductor 22awg, ever. the 3 pair cat 3 cable i bought 25 years ago is all i ever use in 22 gauge. guessing this roll was more than 1000 ft, might have been 3000.
[1:30] <Psi-Jack> heh
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[1:37] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, people here earlier said a hardware store. Course one of the few hardware stores in this city is Home Depot, and they don't carry that guage of wire. :)
[1:38] <Psi-Jack> And, it would be overpriced anyway. LOL
[1:38] <brianx> yeah, the big box store seems likely to me too. they sell it with doorbells.
[1:39] <Psi-Jack> heh
[1:40] <Psi-Jack> I mean, there's an Ace Hardware store here too, and Lowes, but Ace, doesn't even sell wire at all. Bullet connectors, Ring terminals, splice connectors, yes. Wire, no.
[1:41] <brianx> yeah, asking for wire just confuses them, you have to give them the application. doorbell wire.
[1:41] <Psi-Jack> Hmmmm... That... MIGHT work...
[1:41] <Psi-Jack> But, isn't doorbell wire solid core?
[1:42] <brianx> so is most awg22 cable. it's small enough that it doesn't really need to be stranded.
[1:42] <brianx> 20 strand exists, but isn't all that common. or useful unless you plan to move it around a lot.
[1:42] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[1:43] <Psi-Jack> I guess that makes a bit of sense.
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[1:44] <Psi-Jack> Course, doorbell wire is also usually twisted, rather than ribboned.
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[1:44] <brianx> dunno. never bought it :-p
[1:44] <brianx> not sure why it would be twisted, it's a dc signal.
[1:45] <Psi-Jack> hehe. Yeah, because... Reasons... And laziness of design. :)
[1:45] <Psi-Jack> It's twisted to have two conductors not fastened together.
[1:46] <brianx> ahh
[1:46] <Psi-Jack> lol
[1:46] <Psi-Jack> My doorbell wire is the oooold stuff with the green and yellow twists. :)
[1:47] <Psi-Jack> I think that's against code these days, but whatever. LOL
[1:48] <brianx> i'm pretty sure as long as it's not over 24v, code excludes it completely. if anything it might cover the flammability of the insulation.
[1:48] <Psi-Jack> heh
[1:48] <Psi-Jack> Also kinda depends on the amperage going through, not the volts.
[1:49] <Psi-Jack> Certain levels of amps, afterall, can simply just kill you, while lower will buzz you, higher could kill you but you have a higher chance to live, etc.
[1:50] <brianx> i thought they ignored amps.
[1:50] <brianx> we know amps matter, but i thought code was dumb.
[1:50] <Psi-Jack> heh, oh, amps are definitely part of the code for sure.
[1:50] <brianx> mouser has flat gray but the price is insane.
[1:51] <Psi-Jack> Yes,, I noticed.
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[1:51] <Psi-Jack> Aliexpress' too, by the meter jumped from $4 to >$100 with just 2 meters, was like WTF? Miscalculation?
[1:52] <Psi-Jack> And wire labeled as "Garage Door Wire", is just over priced. LOL
[1:53] <brianx> digi's price is insane too.
[1:53] <brianx> maybe sparkfun?
[1:56] <Psi-Jack> I may just end up going with pre-cut black wire from aliexpress. They had some of that that was priced okay. I'd prefer white for the garage still though just because it matches there better, helps keep the wiring less visible.
[1:57] <plugwash> Psi-Jack, to be a shock risk a system must be able to drive enough current through the body. That means it must be able to supply sufficient voltage at a sufficiently high current.
[1:57] <brianx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/192153430247 is 10 conductor but you can easily separate them. rainbow though.
[1:57] <brianx> plugwash: i wasn't thinking about shock, but about fire.
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[1:58] <brianx> short 24V 10A and you have a problem.
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[1:59] <plugwash> depends what you short it through
[2:00] * plugwash deliberately shorted his 10A bench supply just to see how it behaved when shorted. There was a bit of a spark when I put the plug in but otherwise it was uneventful.
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[2:02] <brianx> you had either short circuit protection, or wire with good enough size and insulation to handle it.
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[2:04] <brianx> i was more thinking the solar folks who have 12V or 24V banks and the codes / inspectors harass them about the battery bank but not the inside wiring.
[2:04] <brianx> here, that bank would have to go in a concrete block bunker outside the house.
[2:05] <brianx> even if it was just 2 golf cart batteries in the bank.
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[2:19] <[Saint]> After a bunch of testing, I've concluded the best consumer-ready off-the-shelf external analog DAC and dedicated amplifier.
[2:20] <brianx> and that is?
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[2:21] * drjam waits for the drumroll...
[2:22] <[Saint]> I believe it to be a combination of the IQaudIO PI-DAC Pro and IQaudIO PI-AMP+
[2:22] <[Saint]> (sorry, cat threw up on the rug - lol)
[2:23] <[Saint]> I've tested a few other external cards with or without embedded or optional amplification, and I believe that to be the best combination.
[2:23] <[Saint]> If you don't care for balanced differential output on the DAC card, the PI-DAC+ and PI-AMP+ will do you just as well.
[2:24] <drjam> iieewww
[2:25] <[Saint]> I found that the cards with embedded amplifiers, for instance, the ubiquitous HiFi-Berry and Cirrus Logic options, all shed some degree of unwanted noise from the DAC to the amplifier.
[2:25] <[Saint]> The degree of separation between master and daughter board in the IQaudIO cards limits that to near zero accidentally.
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[2:26] <[Saint]> So...if you want a cheap and largely capable analog out external DAC and optional amplifier for under $150, that's got my vote.
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[2:27] <drjam> sounds like fun
[2:27] <drjam> ill get to that stage eventually i hope
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[2:30] <[Saint]> I got a tiny little 400mAh LiPo and a 16 character 14 segment display and the PiDACZero-HP for one of my Pi Zero Ws.
[2:31] <[Saint]> Going to turn it into a warble/librockbox powered DAP.
[2:32] <[Saint]> I really should use ffmpeg, but since I'm in the Rockbox community, it seems fitting to wrap a JEOS around librockbox.
[2:33] <[Saint]> On the OS side I basically need /juuuuuust enough/ to get ALSA init'ed and very little more.
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[2:33] <[Saint]> I should use PulseAudio so I can trivially do BT audio, but Pulse can go die in a dumpster fire.
[2:34] <[Saint]> I can do BT audio w/ ALSA, but there's a lot more overhead in it.
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[2:37] <drjam> so like, a small audio player thingy
[2:39] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Heh. Tomorrow'll be a little interesting. It's been a loooong time since I soldered so many components on boards, let alone to really small contact points.
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[2:41] <brianx> [Saint]: and you pay for quality.
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[2:43] <[Saint]> brianx: of all I tested, the option listed above has the best output characteristics across the board.
[2:43] <[Saint]> I was pretty surprised, really.
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[2:44] <[Saint]> Both loaded and unloaded, the IQaudIO Pi-DAC {Pro|+} has absurdly flat characteristics.
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[2:44] <brianx> Psi-Jack: i'm sure you can do it. just do the big stuff, then put a new tip on and do the details.
[2:44] <[Saint]> The Cirrus Logic DAC has a weird and abrupt rolloff in the lows.
[2:45] <brianx> lots of liquid flux whenever you're in doubt
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[2:45] <[Saint]> And the HiFi-Berry boards all have very noisey mids and quiet highs.
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[2:45] <brianx> flat is nice for those flacs.
[2:45] <[Saint]> coupled with bad shielding of the amp and DAC.
[2:45] <Psi-Jack> Heh, almost all the solder joints are tiny, except for one.
[2:46] <brianx> tiny being 0.1" centers?
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[2:48] <Psi-Jack> 1/16" contacts themselves.
[2:49] <[Saint]> Psi-Jack: don't mess around with an iron on a pitch that small. I pretty much guarantee you'll screw it up doing it by hand.
[2:49] <[Saint]> Get some liquid/gel flux, some solder paste, and a thermal gun.
[2:50] <[Saint]> It's pretty much impossible to screw that up.
[2:50] <Psi-Jack> Heh, well, I have the right size solder coming in tomorrow. 0.8-1mm rosin core silver solder.
[2:51] <[Saint]> with well fluxed, clean components, and not-too-forceful application of hot air, solder paste naturally wants to flow to metallic joins and will separate between solder pads all by itself.
[2:51] <[Saint]> just smear it all with gel flux, whack on solder paste, and hit it with hot air.
[2:51] <[Saint]> it'll look a mess and then it'll suddenly get up to temperature and...bam, professional quality job.
[2:51] <Psi-Jack> That, and I do have a fine tip, and the joints are often spaced far enough apart
[2:52] <[Saint]> Well...I mean, sure, it's possible...and you can /probably/ do it by hand.
[2:52] <[Saint]> But....why? Unless you hate yourself, or hate having free time, there's no reason not to do it properly.
[2:52] <Psi-Jack> heh
[2:52] <brianx> if all else fails, flood it with solder and wick off the excess.
[2:53] <Psi-Jack> Exactly. :)
[2:53] <[Saint]> or just buy some solder paste and gel flux, and a ~$30 heat gun.
[2:53] <[Saint]> but...hey.
[2:53] <Psi-Jack> Tomorrow, I have the magnifying visor, circuit board holder, helping hands, solder and wick.
[2:53] <brianx> right is the enemy of good enough. ;-)
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[2:54] <Psi-Jack> hehe
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[2:54] * [Saint] eagerly awaits the reports of X many ruined components from Psi-Jack's fine-pitch-soldering exploits.
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[2:54] <[Saint]> Keep me posted! :)
[2:55] <Psi-Jack> [Saint]: Sure! This'll be me soldering together my oscilliscope. :)
[2:55] * LeonardBlush is now known as LeonardBlush[awa
[2:56] <[Saint]> AH...yes. Definitely a project where you want to start out with hand soldering fine pitch components, and one that's reaaaaally tolerant of questionable solder joins and bridges.
[2:56] <[Saint]> </s> :p
[2:56] <[Saint]> But, this is how we learn, I suppose.
[2:57] <ShorTie> practice makes perfect
[2:57] * [Saint] should state that he's perfectly capable of soldering by hand to this degree, even with a completely ruined hand and having to switch from being left handed to right handed about a decade ago.
[2:57] <Psi-Jack> Heh, well, the instructions also suggest a pretty low wattage iron.
[2:57] <[Saint]> *BUT*...I like free time, and don't hate myself enough, to go back to doing it that way.
[2:57] <Psi-Jack> 20-25W for "most parts"
[2:58] <[Saint]> 25W irons have no business existing outside of educational kits for children.
[2:58] <Psi-Jack> Heh, yeah.
[2:58] <Psi-Jack> Mine's a 48W, variable voltage.
[2:59] <[Saint]> Lowest fixed output iron I have is 50W
[2:59] <[Saint]> But I have a few variable output irons.
[2:59] <[Saint]> I mainly use an adjustable digital air station.
[2:59] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, my old Radio Shack iron is 60W.
[2:59] <[Saint]> But a butane pen will do the trick for most people.
[2:59] <[Saint]> just gotta be careful.
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[3:02] <brianx> Psi-Jack: i'm not seeing anything smaller than 0.1" pitch through hole in that kit.
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[3:02] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, nothing is smaller than 0.1"
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[3:04] <[Saint]> Can someone highlight me please?
[3:04] <Psi-Jack> It's hard to tell, but with my measuring tape, the holes, or the whole joint is right at 1/16" though.
[3:05] <brianx> [Saint]:
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[3:05] <[Saint]> danke.
[3:05] <brianx> bitte
[3:07] <brianx> 1/10" is a standard for through hole. 2mm is not common, but exists in through hole.
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[3:08] <Psi-Jack> Heh. 1cm contact surface seems accurate.
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[3:09] <Psi-Jack> Some contacts are actually 2cm. But the contacts mind you are very thin.
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[3:11] <brianx> the 1/10th is the distance center to center.
[3:12] <Psi-Jack> Oh, between 2 poles?
[3:12] <[Saint]> brianx: again, please?
[3:12] <brianx> most of those are on the idc connectors. and [Saint]
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[3:13] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, from pole to pole centers, I see about 2cm
[3:14] <brianx> [Saint]:
[3:15] <brianx> that big 40 pin idc at j3 almost has to be .1" centers.
[3:17] <Psi-Jack> 40 pin?
[3:17] <Psi-Jack> There's not a big batch of pins that big anywhere on this scope board.
[3:18] <brianx> http://www.jyetech.com/Products/LcdScope/e138.php is the one you linked the other day.
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[3:19] <brianx> j3 is the big thing to the left of most of the buttons. for connecting the display.
[3:19] <[Saint]> One last test, since you're so willing to help me out - which I appreciate, brianx.
[3:19] <[Saint]> could you please PM me (with arbitrary non-null content), without highlighting me?
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[3:19] <[Saint]> Thanks.
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[3:20] <brianx> done s a i n t
[3:21] <[Saint]> Excellent. Awesomesauce.
[3:21] <[Saint]> I now have dedicated panels in irssi/quassel-irssi for highlights and queries aggregated from all channels and servers.
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[3:22] <[Saint]> One for unread highlights, that also displays which channel and server and user initiated the highlight. And another for queries, showing which server and user it came from.
[3:22] <[Saint]> when viewed they knock themselves off the list.
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[3:27] <Psi-Jack> brianx: One of yes.
[3:28] <brianx> pretty cool [Saint]
[3:28] <Psi-Jack> brianx: This is what I actually got: /opt/openhab/userdata/logs/openhab.log
[3:28] <Psi-Jack> Err.http://a.co/aE0M51u
[3:29] <Psi-Jack> Turns out though it was only 1Msa/s
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[3:35] <brianx> yeah, i see the 1msps. most stm32 can only do 1msps on board.
[3:36] <brianx> it's really hard to figure out what does and doesn't come with that kit, but assuming you're talking about soldering the display board cable to the main board. not fun.
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[3:37] <Psi-Jack> That's already soldered on. Hehe
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[5:17] <summersab> Hey, I wondered if someone could help put me in touch with some of the people who maintain the official Raspbian distro. I've been working with the developers of Turnkey Linux to help put them in touch with people at the Foundation who might be able to help them port to the RPi.
[5:18] <Psi-Jack> summersab: Have you checked #raspbian?
[5:18] <summersab> I did, and the response was that they're not actually the "official" distro that you find on raspberrypi.org
[5:19] <Psi-Jack> Well, there you go.
[5:19] <summersab> From their FAQ: "Raspbian images are produced by various people. For newcomers we recommend the images provided by the Raspberry Pi foundation"
[5:19] <summersab> So . . . who makes the images provided by the Foundation?
[5:20] <Psi-Jack> Have you tried their website?
[5:21] <summersab> Are you referring to the Raspbian website or the Raspberry Pi website?
[5:21] <Psi-Jack> Well, the Raspbian one of course. You have been asking about Raspbian thus far.
[5:23] <summersab> That's the thing. Raspbian.com != https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[5:24] <summersab> From http://raspbian.org/RaspbianImages: "The Raspberry Pi Foundation has produced and released their own recommended image of Raspbian. Because this image and subsequent updates will be used by 100,000's of Raspberry Pi users, it should be considered the best supported. However it should be remembered that this image is created by the raspberry Pi foundation not the Raspbian project and as such we don't control what is in it."
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[5:25] <Psi-Jack> And?
[5:26] <summersab> So, #raspbian and raspbian.org are not the people who make the official Raspbian OS put out by the Foundation. Who are the people who make the official version?
[5:26] <Psi-Jack> Follow the trail...
[5:26] <summersab> I believe I did.
[5:26] <Psi-Jack> Have you seen the channel topic here?
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[5:27] <summersab> The fact that this is an unofficial (yet blessed) channel? Yes.
[5:27] <Psi-Jack> Precisely.
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[5:28] <summersab> So, I'd still think that would mean that someone in here would know who develops the official Raspbian OS.
[5:29] * nacelle goes with "humans" for a non helpful but correct answer
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[5:30] <summersab> Well, thus far, that statement has applied to the entire conversation, to be honest.
[5:31] <nacelle> https://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianTeam
[5:31] <nacelle> omggoogle
[5:32] <Psi-Jack> heh
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[5:32] <Psi-Jack> summersab: You fail at following the trail.
[5:32] <nacelle> its basically a bunch of folks, but those are who i'd assume are the leads
[5:32] <summersab> Yes, and from that same site (omgread): "However it should be remembered that this image is created by the raspberry Pi foundation not the Raspbian project and as such we don't control what is in it."
[5:32] <summersab> (as previously posted)
[5:33] <nacelle> I only read your 3:26 question
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[5:34] <nacelle> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Foundation thats the foundation, I guess
[5:34] <nacelle> so them?
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[5:34] <summersab> Ah, I suppose that's where we got mixed up since you picked up there
[5:34] <summersab> From http://raspbian.org/RaspbianImages: "The Raspberry Pi Foundation has produced and released their own recommended image of Raspbian. Because this image and subsequent updates will be used by 100,000's of Raspberry Pi users, it should be considered the best supported. However it should be remembered that this image is created by the raspberry Pi foundation not the Raspbian project and as such we don't control what is in it."
[5:35] <summersab> So, https://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianTeam != https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[5:35] <summersab> THAT'S what I'm trying to figure out.
[5:37] <nacelle> the software on raspbian.org is compiled by various entities, raspberrypi.org being one of them.
[5:38] <nacelle> there's no actual image available from raspbian.org afaik, its just the base os components
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[5:38] <nacelle> where the other folks take that code and distill it into something you can write on an sd card, etc.
[5:39] <nacelle> (by making it with file systems, adding in their own configs, prebuilt packages and whatnot)
[5:39] <nacelle> the raspberrypi.org raspbian is generally considered "the standard"
[5:40] <nacelle> like most books, documentation, etc. will reference if not be specific to it
[5:40] <summersab> Right. Exactly. Who is the dream team behind "the standard?"
[5:40] <nacelle> raspberrypi.org
[5:40] <nacelle> the foundation.o
[5:40] <nacelle> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Foundatio these folks
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[5:40] <summersab> Yeah, but does anyone here have contacts?
[5:41] <summersab> Specifically.
[5:42] <nacelle> do you think if they did that they'd just hand them over to random folks on the internet asking about them?
[5:42] <summersab> I.e. http://raspbian.org/RaspbianTeam states that this group is comprised of Mike Thompson and Peter Green. Is there a guy named Joe Schmuckitelli?
[5:42] <summersab> Well, they've gotta have a contact list.
[5:42] <nacelle> I mean, you have an odd way of going about this. whats your goal?
[5:42] <nacelle> or are you just conjecturing?
[5:42] <summersab> (10:17:51 PM) summersab: Hey, I wondered if someone could help put me in touch with some of the people who maintain the official Raspbian distro. I've been working with the developers of Turnkey Linux to help put them in touch with people at the Foundation who might be able to help them port to the RPi.
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[5:44] <nacelle> why not just take raspbian from raspbian.org and make your own turnkey images with it?
[5:44] <nacelle> thats basically the point
[5:44] <summersab> I've chatted on and off with Liraz, Alon, and Jeremy from Turnkey for well over a year, but we've never had much success finding contacts at the Foundation.
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[5:45] <summersab> The common response has been, "Post in the forums" (crickets). So, I thought I'd try here for a change.
[5:45] <dtype> summersab: there's a #raspbian channel
[5:45] <dtype> i'd assume there are useful folks there, including the couple of devs listed on the official site
[5:46] <summersab> You jumped in a little late, dtype. Raspbian.org != Raspbian OS from the Foundation.
[5:47] <dtype> to what end, pretty sure the image produced by the foundation is 99% the work of raspbian.org
[5:48] <summersab> Not based on the content on raspbian.org or the responses I got from #raspbian, no.
[5:48] <dtype> the actual port work is the raspbian folks I think
[5:49] <dtype> depends on what you're looking for
[5:49] <dtype> the image isn't, but the port work mostly is as far as I can tell
[5:49] <summersab> Here we go again . . . from raspbian.org: "The Raspberry Pi Foundation has produced and released their own recommended image of Raspbian. Because this image and subsequent updates will be used by 100,000's of Raspberry Pi users, it should be considered the best supported. However it should be remembered that this image is created by the raspberry Pi foundation not the Raspbian project and as such we don't control what is in it."
[5:50] <nacelle> why do you need to bug the pi foundation?
[5:50] * Psi-Jack coughs.
[5:50] <dtype> yes
[5:50] <dtype> exactly
[5:50] <dtype> the image is controlled by the foundation, the work is mostly the raspbian port
[5:50] <summersab> Dear goodness . . .
[5:50] <nacelle> summersab: literally, see the "Images for Raspberry Pi" list?
[5:50] <nacelle> https://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianImages
[5:50] <nacelle> there?
[5:50] <Psi-Jack> And bug us in the process.
[5:50] <nacelle> turnkey would be listed as one of those.
[5:51] <summersab> Turnkey isn't supported on the Pi
[5:51] <nacelle> right, once it was...
[5:51] <summersab> They had a partially-working port, but it had issues
[5:51] <nacelle> so...
[5:51] <nacelle> what is your goal again?
[5:52] <nacelle> you want the fonudation to make turnkey based images for turnkey?
[5:52] <nacelle> do you see the problem there? :-)
[5:52] <nacelle> (outside of my bad typing)
[5:52] <summersab> Helping put the Turnkey devs (Alon, Liraz, etc) in touch with people at the Foundation who could give them a little assistance with porting to the Pi.
[5:53] <summersab> No, I don't see a problem, there. Why would the Foundation not want to make their platform more accessible for different platforms?
[5:53] <dtype> again, the actual porting is mostly the raspbian team
[5:53] <dtype> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=9951
[5:53] <dtype> but the final image, including some of the binary stuff that gets included per their distribution agreements, and a few other changes, are part of the official image
[5:53] <summersab> That's from 2012. LOTS has changed. Note that the raspbian.org site still lists wheezy as what you should have in your sources.list.
[5:54] <summersab> http://raspbian.org/RaspbianRepository
[5:54] <nacelle> the foundation puts their code base and built scripts online... https://github.com/raspberrypi
[5:54] <nacelle> dont even have to really bug their devs
[5:55] * nacelle wonders if the turnkey devs are asking for this or if this is just being pushed
[5:56] <Psi-Jack> Pushed.
[5:56] <summersab> The Turnkey guys are interested and have worked on it before, but they haven't had the time to learn how to do it all on their own without a little assistance (ie they'd rather not reinvent the wheel).
[5:56] <nacelle> i'm presuming that based off the conversation
[5:56] <summersab> ^Thank you for that assumption, Jack
[5:56] <Psi-Jack> It's not an assumption.
[5:56] <summersab> It clearly is.
[5:57] <summersab> https://www.turnkeylinux.org/forum/general/20160317/collaboration-rpi-foundation
[5:57] <summersab> That's a good chunk of where the conversation started. It has continued since.
[5:57] <dtype> pretty sure a post on the official forums will either go somewhere quickly, or not as appropriate
[5:57] <summersab> I tried that. Crickets.
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[5:59] <nacelle> it sounds like Jeremy D mostly wanted to get a hold of the foundation for money, not dev expertise
[5:59] <summersab> The response from some less-than-helpful person was, "The RPi is a learning platform. Having pre-built images defeats the educational purpose." K, great, purist - perhaps the Pi should be sold as a bag full of SMD components and we should all have to learn to reflow solder, too. I think it would be beneficial to a lot of people to have pre-built stacks available.
[5:59] <nacelle> "But perhaps we should approach the RaspberryPi Foundation (AFAIK they are not involved with Raspbian at all, other than endorsing it). Perhaps the RaspberryPi Foundation (or one of their affiliates) would be interested in sponsoring development? Then we could either offer a higher bounty or prioritise development ourselves (depending on what sort of sponsorship arrangement we could develop)? "
[5:59] <nacelle> thats about whta i'd expect too
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[6:00] <nacelle> turnkey effectively competes with the pi foundations linux
[6:00] <nacelle> so I dont get why they'd want to get involved
[6:00] <nacelle> but I also dont get why they'd have to be
[6:00] <dtype> and sponsored development isn't in the cards
[6:00] <summersab> . . . because the Foundation makes money off of Raspbian. Gotcha.
[6:00] <summersab> *face/palm*
[6:01] <dtype> it is a UK nonprofit
[6:01] <summersab> Yeah, I know
[6:01] <dtype> but yeah that accusatory tone will get far
[6:01] <nacelle> it sounds more like turnkeylinux's interest in it
[6:01] <nacelle> which from what I can see on it, makes sense
[6:01] <nacelle> the pi isnt really "great" for what one would call production workloads
[6:01] <dtype> nacelle: I have a few in production for specific things. :)
[6:01] <nacelle> yes yes
[6:02] <dtype> depends on if worload == cpu intensive in that definition. :)
[6:02] <nacelle> but most businesses wouldnt touch a thing that relies on sd storage for a web server, etc.
[6:02] <dtype> ah yes *server* workloads.
[6:02] <nacelle> right
[6:02] <nacelle> look at turnkey
[6:02] <summersab> So, is it reasonable to assume that the folks at Canonical collaborated with the Foundation a bit to get Ubuntu Core running on the Pi?
[6:02] <nacelle> sorry
[6:03] <dtype> is just an arm port. The main question of the rest of it is specific drivers around some of the pi components.
[6:03] <dtype> i'd assume folks that are somewhat skilled in arm ports would get things going with or without help
[6:04] <dtype> although collaboration on the trickier items without good open source existing efforts is likely
[6:04] <summersab> Is it a well known fact that Microsoft collaborated with the Foundation to get Windows 10 IoT Core ported to the Pi?
[6:04] <dtype> summersab: so linux is already quite ported to the pi
[6:04] <nacelle> collaboration comes in several forms, inclusive of irc, forums and (do people still use usenet?) usenet
[6:04] <dtype> the port is done
[6:04] <dtype> kernel is there and all the relevant drivers are open source
[6:05] <nacelle> so if by that I'd assume yes, they probably read stuff, and dug through code repos
[6:05] <dtype> microsoft is a different case in that !OSS and !linux
[6:05] <dtype> probably new driver development
[6:05] <nacelle> interacting synchronously is a tremendous amount of effort for devs
[6:05] <nacelle> (and most people)
[6:06] <summersab> Agreed, but, "Hey, could you help us understand why XYZ works the way it does so we an get this code to work?" isn't unheard of by any stretch.
[6:06] <dtype> if the turnkey folks are having trouble with a particular part of the port, I'd be happy to see if I can help, as would a number of folks
[6:07] <summersab> Let me share a little more info from one of my emails with Jeremy
[6:07] <dtype> lots of folks are quite capable on the driver side in this channel
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[6:07] <nacelle> why not suggest those devs come here if they're stuck? (and follow the 24 hour freenode question/answer protocol)
[6:07] <nacelle> like dtype is suggesting
[6:08] <summersab> I suppose that's a potential avenue. I'ma post a pretty sizable chunk if that's okay.
[6:08] <nacelle> do they have the time otherwise to deal with it?
[6:08] <nacelle> like testing builds and whatnot on a pi?
[6:08] <nacelle> they can probably get away with qemu pi's for most of the work
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[6:10] <dtype> and the question is how far they are. Likely you'd start with a bootstrap with someone else's kernel and and your own arm compiled root fs, but there's a few places to start
[6:11] <summersab> So, another potential route I've taken was to reach out to Mati (muts) from Offensive Security since they've ported to ARM. However, it doesn't look like they recompiled things to take advantage of the floating point hardware. Here's a chat I had with Jeremy
[6:11] <summersab> Jeremy: The issue is that most of our build infrastructure is unique to us. It still builds on top of relatively common tools, but a lot of it is customized. On the other hand, it'd still be interesting to see how Offensive Security does it. If nothing else it could provide us with ideas on how we might do things better/differently.
[6:11] <summersab> Me: I guess I just never really understood what was preventing you from porting the platform. Kali is pretty heavily-customized, too, but they've managed to support armhf, armel, etc. They may have some "secret sauce" that they could help you with.
[6:11] <summersab> Jeremy: But if I'm not mistaken, they rely solely on packaged software (and if it's not already packaged, they package it). We still rely on packaged software, but lots of the software we include isn't packaged.
[6:11] <summersab> Me: They do a lot of tweaks at the kernel level. A LOT. Dunno if this is worth looking at?https://github.com/offensive-security/kali-arm-build-scripts
[6:11] <summersab> Jeremy: None of the problems are insurmountable, but they are slightly different problems to the ones I'd imagine Kali hits. And for a small team like us, any changes to our build infrastructure are really expensive. FWIW it looks like Kali uses vanilla Debian for RPi (armel architecture). It sort of surprises me as that would come at a bit of a performance hit. Raspbian is recompiled to take advantage of the hardware floating point c
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[6:11] <Psi-Jack> Oh.. Kali.
[6:12] <dtype> not sure what "not packaged" software means. port not available, or just some custom build system they want to use?
[6:13] <dtype> if the latter then the complexity in compilation derived from their own build system is kind of self-inflicted
[6:13] <summersab> The code they use for TKLDev, I believe
[6:14] <summersab> TKLDev is pretty sweet, actually. That's how they build and maintain all of their 100-200 pre-built images
[6:14] <dtype> need to separate out issues/questions too. The kernel optimization part is different than generic port questions, which is different than packaging.
[6:14] <summersab> True, true. Point taken
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[6:15] <dtype> if the whole thing is working, and it is just a matter of kernel optimization, then that's really an linux/arm question, and may not even be pi specific
[6:16] <summersab> So, I'm no developer, but I believe it's the stuff in here: https://github.com/turnkeylinux-apps/tkldev
[6:16] <summersab> (primarily)
[6:16] <dtype> yep, I remember seeing the tkl build stuff a long time ago
[6:17] <summersab> I've been fairly impressed with it at least from the standpoint of a sys admin (i.e. it works)
[6:17] <dtype> a brief look online suggests that tlk folks may not have their system working on arm at all at the moment
[6:18] <dtype> could be older news though
[6:18] <summersab> That's my understanding and what I've gotten from them. Jeremy and a few others tried porting, but it didn't work well.
[6:19] <drjam> time to run, see y ou all laterz!
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[6:21] <summersab> What led me down this path some two or so years ago was the fact that there really isn't a set of pre-configured images for the Pi (at least not that are maintained or in one place). If I want to build, say, a print server (which is fairly simple, yes), I have to scour the forums and blog posts to figure out how to build, configure, and optimize it. Those guides change and get updated, so finding the latest info to get a stable build is time
[6:25] <summersab> I see that it would be a win for the Foundation, too - more people would be interested in using the Pi and making it do more and more interesting things if there were pre-configured stacks available for it that can decrease learning curves. Sure, learning to build a LAMP stack is educational, but so is learning what to DO with a LAMP stack. Some people would rather start there.
[6:25] <dtype> yeah but if TKL folks don't fundamentally have an arm port, then that just won't be an option. Pretty sure the foundation team (and it is small) doesn't do nearly any of the actual software work on the pi. They're mostly a hardware sourcing and distribution organization.
[6:26] * Psi-Jack just shakes his head and chuckles.
[6:26] <dtype> and there are plenty of other linux ports that got there on their own (or at least on the backs of raspbian)
[6:26] <summersab> Agreed - both are small.
[6:27] <dtype> given that debian has an official arm port, it isn't that far of a leap on much of the userspace stuff
[6:28] <dtype> and odd that TKL folks are interested in performance hits when they don't even have a bootstrap running. Need to walk before running.
[6:29] <brianx> i also don't see the Foundation being interested in pushing containers. they would take their limited supply of hardware out of the hands of their target audience and put them in toasters.
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[6:30] <dtype> brianx: although fwiw, every toaster should have a pi strapped to the back
[6:30] <Psi-Jack> Oooh, a toaster that acts as a firewall gateway?
[6:30] <summersab> There could be a use case for that.
[6:30] <brianx> dtype: well, yes. but they should be strapped there by 12 year olds who are excited about computing.
[6:30] <Psi-Jack> Personally, I hate TurnKey's crap, but that's just me.
[6:30] <Psi-Jack> :)
[6:31] <brianx> without even judging the product, the concept isn't compatible to the foundation's goals.
[6:31] <dtype> i haven't looked at it in a long time, but they're going to be responsible for their own arm port.
[6:31] <Psi-Jack> ^ Precisely.
[6:33] <brianx> now, if turnkey were to make a commitment to donations to donations to schools, say of pi hardware, in return for assistance in porting, that could possibly fly but there would have to be some way to assure it was an ongoing long term thing and not just a few hundred devices during the couple months it takes to port.
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[6:34] <brianx> -to donations
[6:34] <dtype> i have a feeling it is an arm port (or generic other architecture port) effort, rather than something pi specific
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[6:35] <summersab> brianx: not sure how it isn't compatible with the Foundation's goals. "We provide low-cost, high-performance computers that people use to learn, solve problems and have fun. We provide outreach and education to help more people access computing and digital making. We develop free resources to help people learn about computing and how to make things with computers, and train educators who can guide other people to learn."
[6:37] <dtype> btw, not sure who is playing semantics games over in #raspbian, but pretty sure that the foundation download is a straight up version of raspbian. need to re-install the stock version, but I think it even points to raspbian.org apt sources
[6:37] <summersab> So, having pre-built stacks so you can learn how to use OpenVPN, LAMP, Wordpress, etc? Maybe the educational goals for a certain class isn't "How do I install software X" but rather "How do I USE software X."
[6:37] <brianx> "use to learn" is a key statement in there. plugging a container into an sd card and using the machine to accomplish some goal isn't likely what the foundation had in mind. i'm not with them, so this is only my opinion.
[6:38] <dtype> also there's not a shortage of working linux on the pi
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[6:38] <brianx> yes, but there is a shortage of hardware.
[6:39] <summersab> dtype: true, but there is definitely a shortage of maintained images.
[6:39] <summersab> (beyond base)
[6:39] <dtype> there's even an official centos for arm (and pi) now
[6:39] <brianx> having tried to get a bug patched recently, i can agree there is definitely a shortage of maintained images.
[6:39] <dtype> centos is quite recent
[6:40] <brianx> followed pretty quick after the fedora official image.
[6:40] <brianx> :-( fedora publishing an image killed all interest in my most popular blog.
[6:40] <summersab> True, but is there an official CentOS with Ansible pre-installed?
[6:41] <summersab> Or MongoDB?
[6:41] <dtype> that's an ansible porting question, and not one the pi foundation likely gets involved with in the least
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[6:41] <summersab> Or Drupal?
[6:41] <brianx> the point is to learn how to install Ansible and MongoDB and everything else. to learn, not to have it handed to you on a silver platter.
[6:41] <dtype> and again, these are arm questions, not pi ones
[6:42] <brianx> mongodb must be ported, it works already.
[6:42] <dtype> and yes, apparently there are mongodb arm ports
[6:42] <summersab> I go back to my suggestion that perhaps the Foundation should then only provide a sack full of SMDs and make everyone learn how to reflow solder. Maybe for some, they'd like to start at a higher level of abstraction and learn from there.
[6:43] <dtype> i think a fully working os with drivers that support all of the hardware, fully open sourced, with a half dozen working distributions based on fedora/centos, and debian/ubuntu, is a bit better than solder
[6:43] <dtype> even the video acceleration is very well supported
[6:44] <brianx> summersab: you don't seem to be gaining a lot of traction here, but we're not the people you need to convince anyway. reach out to the foundation and see what they actually say. there are a variety of contacts on their site, i know because they have replied to me.
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[6:45] <summersab> brianx: I can agree with that conclusion. What would you recommend to be the best avenue of contact based on what I'm trying to accomplish?
[6:45] <dtype> according to their site, forums, and email that they don't claim to answer very much
[6:45] <summersab> There's the "info@" email, but I could definitely see that getting rather lost.
[6:46] <brianx> my need for contact was in regards to a copyright issue, so the contact i used would not be relevant to this. there are a variety of people listed, pick the one you like best.
[6:46] <summersab> . . . but this doesn't fit under the press@, either. ;)
[6:48] <summersab> I can definitely go that route. I suppose I hoped to see if anyone had a contact to refer me to based my use-case so I wouldn't just be randomly spamming people at the Foundation. I can choose people carefully, I suppose.
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[6:49] <summersab> (by spamming, I'm not saying I had thought of emailing people en masse but rather avoiding reaching out to people who wouldn't be able to help and I'd just be bugging them).
[6:50] <nacelle> cold contacting might be a better term
[6:50] <summersab> ^Yeah. That. It's late, here.
[6:52] <summersab> Mind if I open another (probably much more tame) can of worms?
[6:53] <nacelle> if I said yes would it stop ya? :-)
[6:53] <nacelle> go for it
[6:53] <summersab> Maybe . . . but probably not
[6:53] <summersab> So . . . anyone know why the Pi 0W left off the U.FL connector? I assume some FCC reg, but CHIP, Omega2, and others have one. Seemed odd.
[6:54] <nacelle> probably space/cost/intended market
[6:55] <nacelle> i wouldnt mind seeing it though tbh
[6:55] <summersab> So you say that, but . . .
[6:55] <summersab> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=175793'
[6:55] <nacelle> i'm not a target market :-)
[6:56] <summersab> There have been others who have modded theirs to include one, but that obviously voids the warranty and FCC compliance.
[6:56] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[6:56] <dtype> it is quite a small and inexpensive pcb. wouldn't be surprised if there just had to be operational cuts and something might have been left off because it wasn't on the list, rather than any reason to not have it
[6:57] <dtype> although i'm not speaking with any specific knowledge on that
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[6:58] <dtype> i wonder if we see the 0w, or remanufactured ones, show up as device smarteners. Hits a neat potentially commercial space at its cost/size.
[6:58] <dtype> not that someone couldn't do on their own, but it is a bit of a nice proof of concept
[6:58] <nacelle> i wonder if we'll see a 0w 1.1 with the jack
[6:58] <nacelle> and a pi3?
[6:58] <binaryhermit> what's a u.fl connector?
[6:59] <nacelle> the little tiny internal jack for high frequency antenna connections
[6:59] <nacelle> usually for wifi and wlan stuff
[6:59] <nacelle> (cell network)
[6:59] <summersab> dtype: that's one of my potential use cases. I embedded an older model Pi in my Zebra thermal printer, soldered onto the internals for USB and power, and now, I have a cloud-connected Zebra that is a decade old :D
[7:00] <nacelle> the pi3 doesnt have a ufl jack either, but also has an unpopulated pad
[7:00] <nacelle> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/43312/add-an-external-antenna-to-a-pi-3
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[7:00] <summersab> Yup, been there. It's possible to add one, but . . . voided warranty and likely compliance, too.
[7:00] <nacelle> it might be a "not for all countries" rule
[7:01] <nacelle> i'm still leaning on cost and intended market, since space was clearly proven wrong :-)
[7:02] <summersab> Is there an semi-official feature request/voting section on the forums for requesting this sort of thing? My other long-held wish would be a JST port and charging circuit in lieu of a camera port. I mean . . . I know a LOT of people use the camera, but it seems like there would be a far bigger number of users who would see value in battery power and charging built into the board. Yes, I know there are add on boards and Adafruit, but integrat
[7:02] <nacelle> a could way to vote for something is to code it yourself and submit pull requests :-)
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[7:02] <nacelle> a good way even
[7:02] * nacelle reads E on the pizza meter
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[7:03] <summersab> Ha!
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[7:03] <summersab> While I did my days of coding in undergrad, I'm far less a developer and much more a sys admin. If I tried to code a lot of this stuff myself, I'd create a mess.
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[7:05] <brianx> as a sys admin, you're really not the target of the foundation.
[7:05] <AquaL1te> hi, does anyone know where the sensor is of this temperature reading? /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[7:06] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[7:06] <AquaL1te> because my USB ports are super hot... it now says 60 degrees, but the ports may be hotter than that
[7:06] <HrdwrBoB> sysadmins are rarely the target of anything
[7:06] <HrdwrBoB> sysadmins take things and re-target them
[7:06] <HrdwrBoB> it goes with the territory
[7:06] <summersab> (I sense some tension, here :D )
[7:07] <HrdwrBoB> and a good sysadmin should also be a coder :P
[7:07] <summersab> I can code when I need to, just not anything compex
[7:07] <nacelle> AquaL1te: thats from the SoC (the cpu)
[7:08] <HrdwrBoB> True Sysadmin =~ "A competent man"
[7:08] <nacelle> s/man/person/
[7:08] <summersab> | s/person/human ?
[7:08] <summersab> :P
[7:08] <nacelle> then say human
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[7:09] <HrdwrBoB> nacelle: it's a specific term
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[7:09] <HrdwrBoB> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competent_man
[7:09] <summersab> Oh dear. Let's not go here.
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[7:09] <summersab> I already opened a can of worms when I stepped into this room.
[7:10] <AquaL1te> nacelle: hmmm okay, not a good sign then i guess... i think my usb ports are 70+ degrees. there are 4 64GB USB's in there from sandisk, i use them for my nextcloud storage and some other things. it's not usual that things heat up that much right? it's not even summer yet.
[7:10] <summersab> Let's turn our attention to Aqua
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[7:11] <summersab> Are you talking F or C?
[7:11] <summersab> I'm assuming C. That's stupid hot.
[7:12] <brianx> direct directions to add a U.FL connector: https://www.dorkbotpdx.org/blog/wramsdell/external_antenna_modifications_for_the_raspberry_pi_3
[7:12] <AquaL1te> celcius indeed
[7:12] <dtype> AquaL1te: are they little tiny usb drives, like the kind that just stick out a mm or two?
[7:13] <brianx> you may want to put some short usb extension cables on those things to give them more cooling.
[7:13] <AquaL1te> dtype: exactly
[7:13] <dtype> some of those tiny ones can get very hot because they have no room for heat dissipation
[7:13] <dtype> that's the drives themselves
[7:13] <dtype> i know a lot of the tiny tiny usb ones get hot
[7:13] <summersab> brianx: yup, I've seen numerous guides. I just find it odd that it wasn't included, and it would have had a lot of helpful applications (and yes, for learning as well)
[7:13] <summersab> AquaL1te: what make/model of drives?
[7:13] <HrdwrBoB> AquaL1te: sounds like you have the wrong solution and/or problme
[7:14] <HrdwrBoB> problem
[7:14] <dtype> AquaL1te: i've used that type before, and it is common that reviews of them talk a lot about how hot they get
[7:14] <dtype> a larger usb drive doesn't sink the heat dissipating electronics in the actual usb port itself
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[7:15] <brianx> dtype: 4 of these drives right together concentrate the heat, spreading it out using cables could allow them to not heat each other up as much.
[7:16] <AquaL1te> dtype: hmmm okay, that sucks, they were quite expensive :P putting exension cables there wouldn't look super cool. but i guess i don't have a choice unless i want a termal power plant
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[7:17] <dtype> AquaL1te: can't speak to your particular one, but it is quite common for the tiny vanity usb keys, particularly at higher capacities, to get hot. Just nowhere for the heat to go.
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[7:20] <AquaL1te> dtype: okay thanks! i will buy some usb extension cables :) but with that solution it would've been wiser (economical and logical) to just buy a 1TB external drive :P
[7:21] <dtype> or fatter usb key
[7:21] <dtype> they're actually cheaper. :)
[7:22] <summersab> You could always go grab an old aluminum heatsink off of your AMD Athlon XP and strap it on there.
[7:22] <summersab> (I still have a few. They come in handy for odd applications. I once put one on a garden tiller because the spark plug was blowing out in the Oklahoma heat)
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[7:25] <dtype> AquaL1te: also generally heat follows use. So if you're benchmarking and it gets hot now, but it will be lower use pattern, it may not get that hot in normal use.
[7:27] <AquaL1te> dtype: actually i haven't really started using nextcloud yet and the other things that will run on those USB's. but maybe because they're in the same volume group they have a bit IO activity, even when idle
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[7:28] <dtype> AquaL1te: or are you building a raid on it or something? heh
[7:28] <dtype> or doing some block check?
[7:28] <AquaL1te> no just LVM
[7:28] <summersab> To revisit 20 minutes ago, I guess some of the problem with porting (any OS) to the Pi is the binary blob. There's also the FAT /boot partition. But I digress - Aqua has the floor.
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[7:37] <brianx> summersab: most ports just copy the binary blob and often the whole /boot partition intact.
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[7:49] <summersab> Well, off to bed. Appreciate you all tolerating me!
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[8:19] <Psi-Jack> Well, that's an interesting way to sense if the garage door is open or not. With an ultrasonic sensor. heh
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[8:23] <brianx> lol
[8:23] <brianx> might also sense closed if the thief's van is parked too close.
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[8:24] <Psi-Jack> Heh, well the idea was to put the sensor at the edge of where it would block the garage door while in its open state. Then it could detect a car, the garage root, or nothing.
[8:24] <Psi-Jack> So, effectively allowing you to know if the garage door is open, if a car is parked there or not.
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[8:26] <brianx> i still like the free version. make use of the same sensor the opener itself uses.
[8:26] <Psi-Jack> But... It doesn't have sensors.
[8:26] <brianx> that sensor has to be calibrated or the opener doesn't work.
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[8:26] <brianx> it does. it has to.
[8:26] <Psi-Jack> It doesn't. It really doesn't.
[8:27] <brianx> it can't work without them.
[8:27] <Psi-Jack> It has a door jam sensor at most. The rest is adjusting the roll knobs to set the positions.
[8:27] <brianx> my personal one has a couple metal tabs on the chain, they make contact with a switch inside the motor/controller housing.
[8:28] <brianx> one for fully open, one for fully closed.
[8:28] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, I'll have to check that specificlaly, What kind do you have?
[8:28] <Psi-Jack> Brand?
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[8:29] <brianx> my mother's was out of adjustment so i fixed it last summer. hers had a screw inside the motor/controller that turned when the chain moved. a nut on the screw rode in and out and made contact with a pair of switches, one for up, one for down.
[8:29] <brianx> i have no clue what brand i have.
[8:29] <brianx> it came with the house almost 30 years ago.
[8:29] <Psi-Jack> hehe
[8:30] <Psi-Jack> Wow, and it still works? Nice. :)
[8:30] <brianx> of course it works, what is there to go wrong?
[8:31] <brianx> the washing machine that came with the house still works. the dryer sorta does, it's temperature sensors all corroded so now it's just timed cycle.
[8:31] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, On Chamberlain garage doors there's two knobs you adjust called "travel adjustments", that's how it knows when to stop at each point.
[8:32] <brianx> the fridge and dishwasher do to. i know where the prior owner got the diswasher, it came out of the house i grew up in and was originally installed in 1979. still works today.
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[8:32] <brianx> that is exactly what my mom's is labeled.
[8:33] <Psi-Jack> So, for modern Chamberlain brand garage doors, it's basically timing, with a force resistance sensor only.
[8:33] <brianx> pretty sure hers wears a craftsman badge.
[8:33] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, and Craftsman is basically Chamberlain.
[8:33] <brianx> the two knobs turn a screw that sets the position of the switch that the traveling nut makes contact with.
[8:34] <brianx> and you can't use timing. not possible.
[8:35] <brianx> force resistance would be illegal, the standard says that if you run into resistance, you have to reverse direction.
[8:36] <Psi-Jack> Well, there is a force adjustment as well.
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[8:36] <Psi-Jack> LOL
[8:36] <brianx> they could use a servo and count pulses. never seen one that did that, but doesn't mean they don't exist.
[8:36] <brianx> force adjustment is on all modern ones.
[8:36] <Psi-Jack> The KG knob on the back side of the unit,
[8:36] <brianx> you're supposed to put a 2x4 under the door and make sure that the door reverses.
[8:37] <brianx> ideally with the minimum pressure on the 2x4.
[8:38] <brianx> isn't 38 years normal for a dishwasher? builder grade of course.
[8:38] <brianx> dad swapped the timer when it was just a few years old but it's been trouble free since then.
[8:39] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh.. Seems to be partly related to the chain trolley.
[8:39] <Psi-Jack> The thing you can manually disengage and open the garage door manually when needed.
[8:40] <Psi-Jack> 38 years /was/ normal, these days, they may last 5~10
[8:41] <brianx> about 10 years ago, the plastic (intentionally self destructing) trolley on my opener broke. i taped it with electrical tape so as to not make it tooo strong. the self destruct is a safety feature.
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[8:42] <brianx> i think my newest appliance is the water heater. it's about 8 years old now and needed it's first repair at around 5 years.
[8:42] <Psi-Jack> Heh yeah..
[8:42] <Psi-Jack> I flat out need to replace my water heater soon.
[8:42] <brianx> the furnace is a couple years over that and also needed it's first repair at the same time, so at 7ish years.
[8:42] <Psi-Jack> Already at 8 years old.
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[8:43] <brianx> <3 my tankless.
[8:43] <brianx> and because it didn't need chimney work, i was able to do it myself.
[8:43] <brianx> pvc for the win.
[8:44] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[8:45] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, my next water heater I'm wanting a heat pump one.
[8:45] <brianx> not sure what i think about those.
[8:45] <Psi-Jack> heh
[8:45] <brianx> 200% efficiency is great, but it's still a tank heater.
[8:46] <Psi-Jack> I have a heat pump A/C heater, and it works well, though never really get to use it much except at night time usually.
[8:46] <brianx> so no unlimited hot water. and they're supposed to be really really slow.
[8:46] <brianx> what state are you in?
[8:46] <Psi-Jack> And usually, at night time, is now only because I have the thermostat that switches to heat when the temperature gets below 60 inside.
[8:46] <Psi-Jack> Florida. heh
[8:46] <HrdwrBoB> we just have an unlimited hot water gas heater
[8:46] <brianx> ahh
[8:46] <HrdwrBoB> so it just has a giant fuckoff gas flame
[8:47] <HrdwrBoB> I mean.. large gas flame
[8:47] <brianx> florida doesn't ever have 35F incoming water.
[8:48] <Psi-Jack> Exactly.
[8:48] <Psi-Jack> We have two seasons here.
[8:48] <brianx> with such a mild winter, we have about 50F incoming water now.
[8:48] <Psi-Jack> Hell, and Chilly.
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[8:48] <brianx> and 15 minutes of rain.
[8:48] <Psi-Jack> Every day,
[8:49] <Psi-Jack> During 3~4 months anyway. :)
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[8:49] <brianx> been there too many times.
[8:49] <brianx> i got to be there for andrew. :-\
[8:49] <Psi-Jack> Anyways. I need to hit the hay. Got some good ol' blood work to get drawn tomorrow so I can finally eat again.
[8:49] <brianx> have a good night.
[8:49] <Psi-Jack> You too.
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[10:51] <BurtyB> mooyaa
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[12:45] <gordonDrogon> Ah, Mr. Gadgetoid_Pim . Good time of day to you.
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[12:47] <Gadgetoid_Pim> gordonDrogon, top 'o the mornin' or something
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> Indeed.
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[13:07] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Right got to packeroo up and catch my train back oop orth
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[14:05] <drjam> woof
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[14:12] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[14:12] <HrdwrBoB> sooo
[14:13] <HrdwrBoB> I have a pi I've wired up to a display I had working previously (albeit on an older pi). It's not working. I can see it's getting +5V (well, 4.8, but it should still work since it runs on 3.3 anyway)
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[14:14] <HrdwrBoB> but I put my multimeter on hz on what I thought was the clock signal
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[14:14] <oq> it runs on 3.3v but you feed it 5v?
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[14:15] <HrdwrBoB> no it has a 5V input as well
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[14:16] <HrdwrBoB> this is the same way I wired it up originally
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[14:16] <HrdwrBoB> but my issue is I should be able to see the frequency when using my multimeter on the SPI clock signal
[14:17] <HrdwrBoB> I would think
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[14:36] <drjam> i wonder if you nned to either hve 3.3 or 5....but not 4.8
[14:36] <HrdwrBoB> no, it'll be regulated down
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> you only get SPI clock when it's actually transfering data..
[14:41] <HrdwrBoB> gordonDrogon: ah, what a pain, also good to know
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[15:41] <Psi-Jack> Hhe, took me a few times reading that to get it. Still waking up .
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[16:19] <malfire> Hi folks, is there a x86 alternative you can recommend to the raspberrypi? thanks
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[16:20] <phil42> that is a good question. i guess one of the micro-itx boards?
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[16:21] <gordonDrogon> malfire, it depends on your expectations - imagine a first generation x86 based netbook - e.g. Acer Aspire One and you're just about there.
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> although the Pi will do full HD video which an AAO can't.
[16:21] <nacelle> the pi can last a lot longer on battery
[16:21] <malfire> phil42, are they as small as the Rpi? or are they bigger... I need a small one.
[16:22] <shiftplusone> intel compute sticks
[16:22] <shiftplusone> NUCs
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[16:23] <shiftplusone> minnowboard
[16:23] <malfire> gordonDrogon, what is AAO?
[16:23] <dtype> yeah if your main concern is just tiny size and x86, the intel compute stick is the current reference
[16:23] <phil42> they are larger
[16:23] <shiftplusone> (they're all overpriced garbage)
[16:24] <dtype> malfire: but in general your x86 alternatives are going to be intel atom boards of some kind, so make that the search, and you'll find things
[16:25] <nacelle> theres the intel gallileo/gallileo2/edison stuff
[16:25] <dtype> won't be as small, cheap, or generally as hobby friendly as the pi, but is also an established set of things
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> malfire, AAO = Acer Aspire One.
[16:25] <phil42> The maximum size of a microATX motherboard is 9.6 � 9.6 in (244 � 244 mm). per wikipedia
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[16:26] <phil42> there is a smaller type called flexatx
[16:26] <dtype> fwiw, if you don't actually need the i/o extras, the compute stick is a fun little computer
[16:26] <phil42> FlexATX specifies that a motherboard be no larger than 9 � 7.5 in (229 � 191 mm)
[16:27] <nacelle> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Galileo not really "x86" though it has an x86 core.
[16:29] <dtype> yeah, depends on what the nature of the x86 request was
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[16:29] <dtype> usually that boils down to "can run xx software or xx OS"
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[16:30] <nacelle> indeed, but its hard to say.
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[16:31] <nacelle> from my hearing last week: http://imgur.com/gallery/gRk1uZm
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[16:32] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, are you interested in wiringpi patches for another I/O expander? (PCA9554)
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[16:33] <cyanide> do you need to connect a video output like hdmi for the linux distribution to start an instance of a desktop like lxde, etc?
[16:33] <cyanide> or will it start the desktop instance regardless of the state of video output?
[16:34] <phil42> if you have no hdmi connected it will default composite video output
[16:34] <cyanide> but the pi2 doesn't have composite output
[16:34] <cyanide> i have a pi2 btw
[16:34] <phil42> it does
[16:35] <phil42> the audio output connector also has composite video output
[16:35] <cyanide> oh
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[16:36] <cyanide> but what if i have just a power source and an ethernet cable connected for headless. i assume i can still run a desktop and connect over vnc/rdp, right?
[16:36] <phil42> i have used Xephyr over ssh
[16:36] <cyanide> ok
[16:36] <phil42> others use vnc
[16:37] <phil42> most of the time i use only ssh x forwarding
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[16:37] <cyanide> i dont plan on using vnc or anything, just a scenario where it might be required. otherwise, ssh all the way
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[16:37] <phil42> (no desktop)
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[16:38] <phil42> my irc client is running on a pi zero
[16:39] <cyanide> what are you running? irssi?
[16:39] <phil42> xchat
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[16:39] <humbot> ?!
[16:40] <phil42> i ssh to the pi zero with ssh -X pi@10.0.0.1
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[16:40] <phil42> then when i run xchat it displays on my desktop machine
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[16:41] <cyanide> rpimonitor is very nice
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[16:42] <Encrypt> (<.<)
[16:42] <Encrypt> phil42, You should try weechat
[16:43] <phil42> is weechat x ?
[16:43] <phil42> google images says no
[16:45] <Encrypt> Nope
[16:45] <Encrypt> That would be much lighter
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[16:45] <phil42> i like the way the x client works on my desktop machine
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[16:47] <phil42> i even use the xchat x window to cover another thing that i must display but don't want to see
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[17:07] <redrabbit> i dont get the point of using x irc client
[17:07] <redrabbit> irssi ftw
[17:07] <IT_Sean> ^
[17:07] <leftyfb> redrabbit: it has advantages. I use both
[17:08] <mfa298> irssi+screen ftw
[17:08] <redrabbit> i have like 50+ tabs open in my irssi
[17:08] <redrabbit> yeah. none of that tmux wuss
[17:08] <redrabbit> :D
[17:08] <leftyfb> I can very easily see if there's any activity in the other 20+ channels I'm in. I get sound notifications and visual on certain things.
[17:08] <redrabbit> 17:08 -!- Irssi: Uptime: 207d 10h 52m 50s
[17:08] <redrabbit> i have that stuff as well
[17:09] <redrabbit> i can pick which channels i follow as well / enable disable notifications with a key
[17:09] <mfa298> even have coloured highlights so I have some idea of who's talking where
[17:09] <redrabbit> same here
[17:09] <redrabbit> it was probably more time consuming to setup
[17:10] <redrabbit> but now its rock solid
[17:10] <frostwork> ircclient/os/wm/editor wars ftw
[17:10] <frostwork> ...not
[17:10] <methuzla> emacs!
[17:10] <frostwork> hrhr
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[17:10] <redrabbit> screen + irssi > all
[17:10] <methuzla> frostwork: you forgot indentation wars
[17:11] <leftyfb> redrabbit: only for some, not all
[17:11] <redrabbit> mfa298: i switched to xming, agree its > than mobaxwhatev
[17:11] <frostwork> methuzla, maybe better simply wars in general :}
[17:12] <redrabbit> coca cola vs pepsi
[17:12] <mfa298> redrabbit: we'll it's probably what mobawhatsit is using inside, just without all the bloat :)
[17:12] <leftyfb> xming? You're over here touting irssi > all and you're running Windows as your everyday?
[17:12] <redrabbit> leftyfb: i was joking about the irssi > all
[17:12] <redrabbit> even though i think its true
[17:12] <redrabbit> :D
[17:13] * mfa298 finds windows is usually the most user friendly desktop environment still, most of the linux desktop's are going backwards - seems like gnome is trying to look like ubuntu's unity
[17:13] <redrabbit> stating it like that is one bullet for the clients war
[17:13] <redrabbit> mfa298: agreed
[17:14] <redrabbit> i have a pc with debian and lxde as well
[17:14] <redrabbit> its either gettin shit done or wasting time when it comes to picking an OS for your main rig
[17:14] <redrabbit> i pick the reasonable option
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[17:15] <leftyfb> reasonable for you
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[17:15] <redrabbit> i have way more machines running linux anyway
[17:16] <redrabbit> tbh i depends what you do with the machine.. i like to use particular software no available elsewhere
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[17:17] <redrabbit> irssi > all and you're running Windows as your everyday > imo its not contradictory by the way
[17:17] <redrabbit> i wouldnt pick any other irc client (for my personal use)
[17:18] <mfa298> linux is great for headless devices /servers I've never liked it for the desktop
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[17:19] <mfa298> and I've tried it as a desktop on and off for almost 20 years now
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[17:19] <redrabbit> i'm on the same boat
[17:20] <redrabbit> well i like using it for desktop on my NC10 but that's about it
[17:20] <redrabbit> so basic terminal / web browsing
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[17:20] <redrabbit> a bit of arduino ide
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[17:21] <redrabbit> not making much use of the DE, staying in the console most of the time
[17:22] <mfa298> the one thing that *nux desktops tended to have that windows didn't was virtual desktops, but even Win10 has that now
[17:22] <redrabbit> win10 virtual desktop expenrience sucks balls tbh
[17:22] <redrabbit> ^^
[17:22] <redrabbit> lxde is way better
[17:23] * phil42 has opinions but doesn't want to play
[17:23] <redrabbit> i wanted to like it, i wanted to use it; nope
[17:23] <mfa298> it's missing a few bits but it's not bad
[17:23] <redrabbit> phil42: come in
[17:23] * redrabbit rubs hands
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[17:24] <redrabbit> there is no kb shortcut to move windows to other workspace
[17:24] <redrabbit> or there is but there ergonomy sucks
[17:24] <redrabbit> not sure
[17:24] <redrabbit> what feels like natural with lxde / doing it all keyboard
[17:25] <mfa298> that's the one that's missing, you need to drag and drop, You can switch with a hotkey though
[17:25] <redrabbit> feels wrong on windows > sometimes needs mouse action > ew
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[17:25] <redrabbit> basically i like software that allow me not to waste my time
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[17:26] <redrabbit> 1 action > 2 actions
[17:26] <cyanide> im running transmissio-daemon on my pi, connecting using a transmission remote client. port forwarding is fine, etc. it sees peers but won't download
[17:26] <cyanide> what gives?
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[17:27] <redrabbit> maybe try on the transmission channel
[17:27] <cyanide> hmm true
[17:27] <redrabbit> :)
[17:28] <leftyfb> cyanide: have you confirmed that your pi has access out to the internet? Define "port forwarding".
[17:29] <kerio> cyanide: in the web interface, under settings->network, there's a thing to test if the port is open to the internet
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[17:42] <MrPockets> Hello! Can someone recommend a good read or something to google if I'm interested in hacking a smoke detector / flood sensor into my RasPi to python script based on device trigger?
[17:42] <MrPockets> Conceptually, I think if I jump the wires that lead to the alarm's "beeper" to the I/O pins on the Pi, I can get it to execute python, correct?
[17:43] <leftyfb> MrPockets: I wouldn't do that. I can guarantee there's more than 3V going to that buzzer
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[17:44] <redrabbit> you can buy sensors
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[17:44] <leftyfb> MrPockets: you can either do relays or maybe even a microphone on your pi to detect the loud beep so you don't have to go messing about with a life saving device in your home
[17:44] <redrabbit> leave the device as it is and use a sensor for the pi
[17:45] <MrPockets> Hmm
[17:45] <MrPockets> interestig. Microphone, if you hear a loud "BEEP", run script
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[17:46] <nacelle> or maybe just buy another one?
[17:46] <nacelle> smoke detectors are cheap
[17:46] <redrabbit> MrPockets: https://www.aliexpress.com/item//32504292707.html
[17:46] <MrPockets> Well yeah, I have smoke detectors in the condo that're wired into the whole building's sytem.
[17:46] <redrabbit> just add a smoke sensor.
[17:47] <MrPockets> Specifically, I'm more interested in the water sensor. They're like $12, so Ill leave one un-modded so I ensure I hear the beep if water leaks and I'm home
[17:47] <MrPockets> but I'd like remote notification.
[17:47] <nacelle> you can build your own water sensor
[17:47] <nacelle> its literally two wires that come in contact when water is present
[17:47] <MrPockets> https://ha.privateeyepi.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=66&product_id=119
[17:47] <nacelle> the more advanced ones do that and have a float thing
[17:47] <redrabbit> you can always buy the rain sensor
[17:48] <redrabbit> it will detect flood
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[17:50] <redrabbit> https://www.aliexpress.com/item//32711871234.html
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[18:02] <MrPockets> ah
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[18:15] <BurtyB> redrabbit, re the RAVPower 26800 on battery it powers Pi OK, plug in charger still OK and charges, unplug charger and the output drops for a couple of seconds whilst it switches to the battery - do you see the same?
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[18:17] <redrabbit> nope
[18:17] <redrabbit> i have a bunch of stuff i can plug in and on
[18:18] <redrabbit> let me check again
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[18:18] <redrabbit> works fine
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[18:20] <redrabbit> did 4 times in a row
[18:20] <redrabbit> no drop
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[18:37] <BurtyB> redrabbit, just tried again, seems it only drops when I'm using the usb connector furthest from the micro usb
[18:37] <redrabbit> ah
[18:37] <redrabbit> ok
[18:37] <redrabbit> im very happy with this power pack
[18:37] <redrabbit> atm the rpi3 + orange pi are sitting in the garden
[18:38] <GreeningGalaxy> can anybody tell me what the SMD capacitor right next to the SD card slot on a Pi Zero (any generation, but W specifically) is for? Mine fell off, and although the thing still works, I wanna know what it does in case something goes wrong later.
[18:38] <redrabbit> im getting my terminal via 3G
[18:38] <GreeningGalaxy> it'd also be cool if anyone knew what its value is.
[18:38] <redrabbit> the rpi3 has its own connection
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[18:42] <BurtyB> redrabbit, seems the 3rd port is at the chargers voltage when charging but goes to 5.2 (as the other ports are all of the time) when on battery.. but I can cope with that now I know only 2 of the ports work in a "nice" way all of the time :)
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[18:42] <IT_Sean> GreeningGalaxy: that's the flux capicator. You only need it if you plan to take your Pi time-traveling.
[18:43] <GreeningGalaxy> great
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[18:49] <redrabbit> BurtyB: id bet if you use the 3rd port + one of the two "good" ones its working as well
[18:49] <redrabbit> so, you dont lose anything
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[18:50] <methuzla> IT_Sean: i thought it was the oscillation overthruster
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[18:52] <IT_Sean> methuzla: now you are just making things up.
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[18:53] <GreeningGalaxy> the oscillation overthruster is clear at the other end of the board.
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[19:16] <thepeter> do I need to use a hat on breakout like this https://store.open-electronics.org/Small_Breakout_SIM928_GSM_GPS ?
[19:17] <leftyfb> thepeter: there are GPS hats that use their own module built in. If you want to use that particular module, you'll need to wire it all up yourself
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[19:21] <thepeter> leftyfb, so I'll do the wiring manually (which is kind of purpose of RPi) hat like this https://store.open-electronics.org/FT1075K would be just wasting money yop?
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[19:21] <Chillum> what an annoying web page
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[19:22] <swift110> hey all
[19:22] <Chillum> yo
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[19:22] <leftyfb> thepeter: https://www.adafruit.com/product/746 I would just use something like this
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[19:23] <leftyfb> thepeter: wire that up to the serial pins on the pi and you're done
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[19:23] <thepeter> leftyfb, yeah but it's out of stock ... :)
[19:24] <leftyfb> https://www.adafruit.com/product/1059
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[19:26] <Chillum> a 3.3V module would be the way to go to keep communications simple
[19:26] <Chillum> good choice but I think there are probably cheaper ones
[19:26] <Chillum> anything with "Flora Wearable" in the name has like $10 added to the price hehe
[19:27] * lopta grins
[19:27] <lopta> Is the Flora an Arduino compatible round thing with RGB LEDs?
[19:27] <Chillum> it is just designed to be wearable
[19:27] <Chillum> sown with conductive threads
[19:28] <Chillum> it is a whole bunch of things, leds, speakers, sensors etc all meant to he sown into clothes
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[19:30] <lopta> Ah ok. Perhaps I was thinking of NeoPixel
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[19:30] <Chillum> neopixels are the addressable WS2812 RGB leds
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[19:30] <Chillum> an excellent product
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[19:33] <Psi-Jack> Ohhh man, yeah, a magnifying head visor is definitely an improvement. LOL
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[20:12] <lopta> Neopixel ring, apparently.
[20:13] <lopta> Ah, I see that Flora is also round.
[20:13] <lopta> Hence my confusion.
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[20:22] <Chillum> ya you can get the neopixels in all kinds of configurations, or even just a strip of loose ones
[20:22] <Chillum> they are actually fairly easy to solder
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[20:34] <Twist> lopta: here's my usual source for large orders. https://www.aliexpress.com/store/701799
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[20:36] <Twist> lopta: adafruit has great tutorials, and it's worth buying small quantities from them as a show of gratitude. But the markup is unmanagable once you scale up.
[20:36] <Chillum> tru dat
[20:36] <lopta> I'm a hobbyist, so my volumes are low.
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[20:37] <lopta> Anyone tried their "Feather" line?
[20:38] <Chillum> I like the built in battery support, but not the prices
[20:39] <polprog> lopta: look if you can order from big suppliers, they also sell you detail amounts
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[20:39] <polprog> i can easily buy 3 pcs of AVR and nobody makes a fuss
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[20:40] <Twist> unF
[20:40] <Twist> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/DC5V-WS2818-addressable-pixel-PCBA-without-LED-Dual-signal-wires-signal-breakpoint-continuous-transmission/701799_32673866739.html
[20:40] <polprog> gotta solder the leds, it may be a lot of fiddling
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[20:42] <Twist> polprog: That's precisely what I want. Even better.. https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/WS2811S-IC-SMD/701799_32630882215.html
[20:42] <polprog> i got a feeling you better order from a known suppplier
[20:43] <Twist> polprog: the ws2811 5050 packages aren't bright enough for my project.
[20:43] <Twist> polprog: I've ordered from Ray Wu's store repeatedly.. he has kind of a cult following in the holiday lighting community.
[20:44] <Twist> polprog: I've done big group by orders with friends from my hackspace as well.
[20:44] <polprog> nice
[20:44] <polprog> if it's a known supplier it's ok then
[20:46] <Twist> If there's another broadly compatible controller/led combo with brighter elements, I'd be interested to know about it
[20:46] <Twist> we used to use shiftbrites, but they've fallen into the dustbin of history
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[20:47] <polprog> i don't know, i wanna make some led project but i'm more hardware now, so probably i'll order some multi channel pwn drivers
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[20:48] <l33n> i am trying to update my rp0, but ping returns network is unreachable
[20:49] <l33n> i have raspbian on it
[20:49] <phil42> unplug it and plug it back in
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[20:49] <l33n> did that many times
[20:50] <phil42> pull the sd out and read it on another computer
[20:50] <l33n> i thought i had it configured to connect to my wifi
[20:50] <l33n> read what
[20:50] <phil42> the sd card
[20:50] <l33n> for what
[20:50] <polprog> l33n: do you know if it boots at all
[20:50] <phil42> for correctness
[20:50] <l33n> it does boot
[20:50] <l33n> i have ssh'd into it
[20:50] <polprog> ah
[20:51] <polprog> i've misread
[20:51] <polprog> try pinging the router address
[20:51] <polprog> if you ssh'd so it it must have network
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[20:51] <polprog> it may also be some permission problem, try to ping as root
[20:52] <l33n> "connect: Network is unreachable"
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[20:53] <polprog> run 'ip a'
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[20:53] <l33n> oh
[20:53] <l33n> there is no wlan0 device
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[20:54] <l33n> there is only usb
[20:54] <polprog> your card is plugged, right? 'dmesg | tail -n 30'
[20:54] <polprog> usb what
[20:54] <l33n> usb0
[20:54] <polprog> usb0 as a network device?
[20:54] <l33n> idk
[20:55] <l33n> ifconfig brings back lo and usb0 only
[20:55] <polprog> you run it as root i suppose
[20:55] <l33n> piece of shit freezes every 5 minutes when ssh'd into it
[20:56] <polprog> try 'ip l' and see hat devices you have
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[20:56] <polprog> what*
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[21:00] <l33n> is there a way to just update raspbian putting the sd card in a sd reader
[21:00] <polprog> not really, you can make a rainstall
[21:00] <polprog> reinstall*;
[21:00] <polprog> but you can solve that problem
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[21:08] <leftyfb> l33n: there is. If you do it on a linux computer, mount the root partition somewhere, mount the boot partition to the /boot directory in the mount, bind mount sys proc and dev and then chroot into the root filesystem
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[21:27] <Kryczek> leftyfb: that other computer better be another Raspberry Pi or he'll need an emulator ;)
[21:28] <leftyfb> Kryczek: why do you say that?
[21:28] <Habbie> leftyfb, because if you chroot into your raspbian SD on an intel linux install, you won't be able to execute any binaries, such as apt-get or dpkg
[21:28] <Kryczek> he won't be able to run ARM binaries directly on a PC for example
[21:28] <reactormonk[m]> x86 vs. ARM
[21:29] <leftyfb> oh right
[21:29] <Habbie> unless you set up qemu-static-arm or what's it called
[21:29] <Habbie> which is entirely doable to be clear
[21:29] <leftyfb> right, so it is possible
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[21:29] <leftyfb> i'll have to play with it one of these times
[21:29] <Habbie> yes
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[21:30] <Habbie> i intend to replace my deceased raspberry pi package builders with docker containers thanks to qemu
[21:32] <Kryczek> oh apparently l33n already left, with neither thanks nor a hi when he arrived, sigh
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[21:34] <polprog> Kryczek: i whois'd him, he was only on this channel. irc newbie
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[21:36] <Kryczek> hehe :)
[21:38] <polprog> i'm still puzzled how could he shh into the pi which failed to ping
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[21:42] <mfa298> polprog: whois on irc will usually only show you channels you're both in, it won't show all channels a person is in
[21:43] <nacelle> depends on the network
[21:43] <polprog> yeah
[21:43] <polprog> this one does indeed
[21:43] <nacelle> i would say it usually shows you their channels unless 1) that person set the mode to not do that 2) the network prevents it by default
[21:43] <nacelle> right
[21:43] <leftyfb> mfa298: it does show all channels. Unless you have yourself marked as private or the channel you're in is marked as private
[21:43] <polprog> but hey, he looked like a new guy
[21:43] <nacelle> this one is somewhat -rare- in that stance
[21:44] <mfa298> leftyfb: users are marked as private (invisible) by default
[21:44] <nacelle> (most irc networks let users see the other users channels, because most networks emulate efnet)
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[21:44] <nacelle> alternatively, its the default way and most people dont change it
[21:45] <mfa298> all the irc networks (three) I'm connected to set +i by default
[21:45] <nacelle> on a user? your sure thats not your client? :-)
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[21:46] <mfa298> hmmm, maybe client, but then I think most clients will set +i by default (I think that's the relevant flag)
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[21:50] * thepeter been afk and enjoyed reading up this moment when l33n is long gone but topic is still active :)
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[21:52] <thepeter> anyway has anyone worked with this https://store.open-electronics.org/Small_Breakout_SIM928_GSM_GPS on RPi straight witouh hat? thinking about trying it so I am looking for insights
[21:53] <polprog> i'd make a hat on a perfboard, thank me later
[21:53] <polprog> judging by the look of it
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[21:55] <thepeter> polprog, oh thank you right now (who know what will be later) :)
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[21:56] <thepeter> polprog, I am not much of a HW guy would probably hard-wire that somehow :)
[21:56] <polprog> it's still easier if you put ot on a perfboard,
[21:57] <nacelle> perfboard != shield
[21:57] <nacelle> shield has additional requirements
[21:57] <polprog> yeah, but it's a proto
[21:57] <nacelle> (like it has to be addressable over i2c, etc.)
[21:57] <thepeter> polprog, ok ok, but more I am looking for is if someone has already experience with that piece
[21:57] <leftyfb> "shield" is also not the proper term for the Raspberry Pi addon boards
[21:57] <methuzla> shield != hat
[21:57] <thepeter> uhm?
[21:58] <nacelle> oh right, that
[21:58] <thepeter> I am maybe need a liitle bit of a dictionary help there :)
[21:58] <polprog> i see it for the first time of my life. definitely read the datasheet, there's a ton of useful info there
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[22:00] <Psi-Jack> Welp. One thing done. The new doorbell is in place. heh
[22:02] <thepeter> polprog, U mean like for the chip directly on sim.com yop?
[22:02] <polprog> no, the breakout itself, you wont be interfacing with the chip itself
[22:03] <polprog> in the description i see it needs different votages (maybe, i skipped through it) so you might need to sort out that part
[22:03] <polprog> couple of LDOs and caps, done
[22:04] <polprog> i suppose you wanna send texts from the pi?
[22:04] <thepeter> yes
[22:04] <thepeter> and locate it
[22:04] <thepeter> thniking also maybe of receiving phone call
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[22:05] <thepeter> thinking ^
[22:05] <eliudnir> anyone here tried the Cogent aluminum heat sink enclosures for the rpi3 ?
[22:06] <thepeter> actually three different voltages
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[22:07] <thepeter> but datasheet on the breakout - I don't see it there, just that simple tech spec
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[22:10] <polprog> thepeter: fortunately, 5V can be taken from the GPIO header, the rest of the voltages is compatible with 3v3, which again could be pulled from GPIO but i'd recommend to get it via a regulator
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[22:10] <polprog> for the software part it seems to use AT so there's a couple libs in different languages for that
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[22:11] <polprog> i remember a bash script sending texts via USB gsm modems
[22:11] <polprog> for the electronics you have that picture which 404s... so a nice reverse engineering excercise?
[22:12] <polprog> thepeter: check if that has any usable docs https://store.open-electronics.org/GSMGPRSSHIELDv2
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[22:15] <thepeter> polprog, thanks will check it
[22:15] <polprog> jackpot, http://mt-system.ru/sites/default/files/documents/sim928_hardware_design_v1.00.pdf
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[22:15] <polprog> that's actually a very useful thingie
[22:15] <polprog> i'm saving that
[22:15] <polprog> :)
[22:15] <thepeter> yeah I am reading that one - that's the chip itself
[22:15] <thepeter> :)
[22:17] <thepeter> Russians :) have almost every-time solution in their pocket (if not then Chinese :) )
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[22:19] <thepeter> but I would try to use the chip itself without at least breakout
[22:19] <thepeter> wouldn't ^
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[22:27] <thepeter> polprog, by that it might be possible to reverse engineer it on the breakout ... I at least hope so :)
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[22:28] <thepeter> but just noticed - there's is SIM928a on that breakout
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[22:32] <thepeter> polprog, so this one is better http://vis-plus.ee/pdf/SIM928A_Hardware_Design_V1.00.pdf
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[23:45] <bsx80> can anyone point me in the right direction to get Python 3.6 installed in Raspbian on a rpi zero w?
[23:46] <bsx80> I am having no luck compiling it with SSL/TLS support properly. please tell me someone has a .deb I can download
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[23:52] <leftyfb> bsx80: http://bohdan-danishevsky.blogspot.com/2017/01/building-python-360-on-raspberry-pi-3.html
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[23:52] <leftyfb> bsx80: found on google
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[23:53] <cratedthinking> hey all- I am having an issue with some python code that uses opencv on my raspi 3--is there someone who would mind taking a look at it for me and telling me what they think?
[23:53] <bsx80> Thanks, leftyfb, I had found that before but still had issues with getting it compiled right. thanksnonetheless
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[23:56] <leftyfb> cratedthinking: you are better off going to #python or #opencv since it's not really related to the pi hardware
[23:57] <cratedthinking> lefty--thanks!
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