#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2017-04-11

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[1:42] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Well, so far, got the buttons and power switch soldered on, along with some pins. :)
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[1:45] <brianx> a nice start. it'll get done eventually.
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[1:46] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. Magnifier's a bit tight at juuust behind the temples, so a bit uncomfortable there.
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[1:46] <Psi-Jack> Might have to take the heat gun to it and flex it out some. :)
[1:47] <Psi-Jack> Just letting the iron cool and taking a moment, so I can switch tips. The fine head is just too fine.
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[1:49] <brianx> you'll have to send pictures of the process.
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[1:49] <Psi-Jack> Heh, sure. :)
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[1:52] <Psi-Jack> My rosin core silver solder doesn't arrive until /next/ monday.... So I'm just using my silver lead solder.
[1:53] <Psi-Jack> OKay, once I'm heated back up, back to it. I took a couple snaps though. :)
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[1:56] <brianx> lead tin solder is just fine as long as you don't eat it and as long as you wash after touching it.
[1:56] <Psi-Jack> Oh, definitely.
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[1:57] <Psi-Jack> http://imgur.com/Kgam6iP http://imgur.com/4pxNjar
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[1:58] <Psi-Jack> Heh, Trying to remove that R30 resistor, an SMD, a little harder than I thought, hence tip change.
[1:59] <Psi-Jack> Need more bunt tip. :)
[2:00] <brianx> it looks just fine. imgur is too low res to see all that well though.
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[2:01] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, that and I just emailed myself medium res pictures from my cell.
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[2:07] <Psi-Jack> Yeaaah, much better. R30 is now off.
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[2:08] <Psi-Jack> Now the power switch works. :)
[2:08] <Psi-Jack> Now the fun begins.. All those resistors to put on.
[2:09] <Psi-Jack> And they're all 5-band resistors at that...
[2:11] <brianx> 1%
[2:13] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
[2:14] <Psi-Jack> Is there any particular way to identify the first and last bands?
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[2:15] <brianx> the last band will always be the same.
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[2:17] <Psi-Jack> My multimeter doesn't seem to be absolutely perfect, but looks like 1.1k, or 1k, measures on my meter at 0.9k, and what do you mean, always the same?The last band is tolerancein this case it's definitely +/- 1%, but the both first and end bands are brown.
[2:18] <brianx> and the 2nd to last? gold silver??
[2:19] <Psi-Jack> There's a slight difference in the color of what may be the last. From what I think is 1st to last is Brown, Brown, Black, Black, and a slightly thicker brown.
[2:20] <Psi-Jack> The latter two are thicker bands.
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[2:21] <Psi-Jack> So, I guess those are the multiplier and the tolerance.
[2:22] <Psi-Jack> But, if I read this right... It should actually be 110ohm.
[2:22] <Psi-Jack> Heh, but the instructions have nothing for 110ohm. LOL
[2:23] <drjam> thicker bands? like the ones that play for justin beeper?
[2:23] <Psi-Jack> 100x10 = 1kohm
[2:24] <drjam> or maybe people who play music at fat camps?
[2:24] <drjam> heehee
[2:24] <drjam> ah riger
[2:24] <drjam> roger* even
[2:24] <Psi-Jack> Yep, 1kohm. :)
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[2:27] <brianx> brown black black brown brown is 1k 1%.
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[2:31] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. Just sorting. :)
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[2:50] <Psi-Jack> Blah, need a flush cutter. Regular, even small sized, just doesn't get close enough.
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[3:06] <nacelle> I'm a big fan of the xuron 170-II
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[3:07] <nacelle> (i've been using xuron 170's for over 20 years)
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[3:16] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[3:16] <Psi-Jack> I'm doing okay with a slightly larger wire cutter. But I can go back over it later and clean it up better.
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[3:37] <l33n> so, does anyone know how to share internet with a pi zero?
[3:37] <l33n> ive spent all day trying to do it
[3:37] <l33n> i think ive read everything out there
[3:38] <l33n> like literally all day
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[3:40] <GreeningGalaxy> l33n: what do you have to share internet from, hardware (and software)-wise?
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[3:40] <l33n> various different laptops with wifi or ethernet connections
[3:40] <GreeningGalaxy> Also, are you booting the Pi headless, or do you have access? and is it a Zero W?
[3:40] <GreeningGalaxy> er, direct console access specifically
[3:40] <l33n> not zero w
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[3:41] <l33n> i can ssh into it
[3:41] <l33n> headless i guess
[3:41] <GreeningGalaxy> oh, so you have networking to it, just not internet?
[3:41] <l33n> yes
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[3:41] <l33n> it has raspian on it
[3:41] <l33n> i gave it a static ip
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[3:42] <GreeningGalaxy> gotcha. That's down to your sharing machine, it needs to be doing NAT so the Pi can get to the internet. The hard part's already done, sounds like; you just need to find the setting for "share internet to other computers" on the sharing machine. If it's Windows, I unfortunately have no clue how to do that.
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[3:42] <l33n> i mean
[3:42] <l33n> i tried it on a mac book pro
[3:43] <Twist> l33n: how are your various laptops connecting to the internet?
[3:43] <l33n> seemed simple enough
[3:43] <l33n> either wifi or ethernet
[3:43] <Twist> So you already have a wifi router in the mix?
[3:43] <l33n> yeah
[3:43] <Twist> And you are simply trying to connect your Pi to that router?
[3:43] <l33n> i mean i tried connecting ethernet to my router to my various computers
[3:43] <l33n> disabling wifi and trying it that way
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[3:44] <Twist> This isn't a zero W, is it.
[3:44] <l33n> no
[3:44] <Twist> Is this amount of hassle worth saving $10?
[3:45] <l33n> i mean this is just a project for fun
[3:45] <l33n> or for the challenge so idk i guess
[3:45] <l33n> i got it working once before
[3:45] <l33n> i feel like it was by accident though
[3:45] <Twist> Networking a device with no networking hardware doesn't sound like much fun
[3:45] <l33n> i have no idea how to replicate what i did then
[3:45] <Twist> let slip die
[3:46] <l33n> well the point is, in theory i thought it was just like, letting either the pi zero or the laptop be a gateway
[3:46] <l33n> and set up packet forwarding
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[3:46] <l33n> at this point i would really like to get it fucking working
[3:47] <l33n> just to see whats going on at this point
[3:47] <Twist> I'm looking
[3:47] <Twist> It has never occurred to me to do this
[3:47] <l33n> GreeningGalaxy, do you know how to do that on mac osx?
[3:48] <Twist> l33n: how did you get the network over usb going in the first place?
[3:48] <GreeningGalaxy> l33n: no, not really. I could tell you about three ways to do it under Linux, but...
[3:49] <l33n> i mean im using arch mainly so that is helpful
[3:49] <Twist> In OS X, it's just in the sharing prefs
[3:49] <l33n> yeah
[3:49] <l33n> except it doesn't work
[3:49] <l33n> or im not able to get it working
[3:49] <GreeningGalaxy> my best guess for a mac is that a) it's going to be really obvious how to do it, b) it will already have done it for you, or c) You Can't.
[3:50] <l33n> by way of the various tuts online
[3:50] <GreeningGalaxy> for cases where a) or b) appears to be the case but it fails, see c).
[3:51] <GreeningGalaxy> easiest way to do it under Linux is going to be to open your NetworkManager configurator, make a new network of type Ethernet (Shared), and make sure the ipv4 tab has "shared to other computers"
[3:51] <l33n> for linux, idk, its been a long time of me having the ssh part figured out and just not being able to get wifi so i dont really remember what i did in the beginnig, i guess i loaded raspian on the sd card and then did
[3:51] <Psi-Jack> Wooo.. Resistors are done.
[3:52] <l33n> hmm ok
[3:52] <GreeningGalaxy> for wifi, set the mode to Access Point (or, if you like, ad-hoc) and do the same for the ipv4 tab.
[3:52] <Twist> huh. this is easier than I thought.
[3:52] <leftyfb> l33n: hold on. What type of pi is this? Is it a pi3?
[3:52] <GreeningGalaxy> rest of the fields should be self-explanatory (essid, etc)
[3:52] <l33n> no pi zero
[3:52] <leftyfb> oh
[3:52] <leftyfb> in gadget mode?
[3:53] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I'm building my oscilliscope. :)
[3:53] <l33n> yeah
[3:53] <l33n> gadget mode
[3:53] <GreeningGalaxy> ohh, you're trying to share network over the USB cable?
[3:54] <l33n> yes
[3:54] <l33n> ive done it before
[3:54] <GreeningGalaxy> gotcha. That's a bit of a different animal than normal network sharing. You said you were in over SSH - is that really SSH, or just the serial console?
[3:55] <l33n> ssh
[3:55] <GreeningGalaxy> hmm
[3:56] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm not so familiar with doing that. Is the host computer using the Pi connection like an extra network interface, or what?
[3:57] <l33n> well i think what I've been doing is using netctl to create a bridged connection between wired device and the pi zero as an ethernet gadget
[3:57] <l33n> using an ip for a gateway that both ethernet and the gadget access
[3:58] <GreeningGalaxy> whoof. Okay, I think you're out of my expertise zone, sorry. I never really got as far as getting netctl to work for anything much during the time I used it.
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[4:02] <brianx>
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[4:07] <Psi-Jack> http://i.imgur.com/Jfxu0ix.jpg http://i.imgur.com/03qg0NG.jpg
[4:08] <Psi-Jack> Next is the ceramic caps.
[4:09] <Psi-Jack> Those don't have polarity do they?
[4:09] <leftyfb> l33n: https://support.apple.com/kb/PH18704?locale=en_US
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[4:33] <gnawzie> hello
[4:33] <gnawzie> it seems like underpowering a raspberry pi almost guarantees sdcard corruption
[4:34] <gnawzie> did it twice where the usb port couldn't supply enough power and rendered the pi inoperable until sdcard gets reformatted
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[4:35] <drjam> oohhhh cool thanks
[4:35] <drjam> thats a good tip to hear
[4:35] <drjam> ive had that a few times and was wondering wmy th epi was running slopsy after
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[4:42] <Psi-Jack> Heh, interesting.
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[4:46] <gnawzie> looks like enabling the uart also causes kernel panic
[4:46] <gnawzie> strange, didn't think it was supposed to do that
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[4:55] <funkster> got my ws2801 led strip working on RPI :) anyone help me on how i can turn the leds on to brightest white, cant figure this code out :(
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[6:00] <aberrant> hi all
[6:00] <aberrant> I just did an apt-get update / apt-get upgrade and my kernel went from 4.9.20 to 4.4.50. What gives?
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[6:02] <Sonny_Jim> apt-get distupgrade
[6:03] <aberrant> nothing shows available.
[6:04] <aberrant> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[6:04] <aberrant> the apt-get upgrade did
[6:04] <Zardoz> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[6:04] <aberrant> The following packages will be upgraded: libraspberrypi-bin libraspberrypi-dev libraspberrypi-doc libraspberrypi0 raspberrypi-bootloader raspberrypi-kernel
[6:04] <aberrant> Zardoz: I did that. Nothing available.
[6:05] <Zardoz> connectiopn issue?
[6:05] <aberrant> no
[6:05] <Zardoz> connection
[6:05] <aberrant> everything's working
[6:05] <Zardoz> sounbds like it
[6:05] <aberrant> a connection issue?
[6:05] <Psi-Jack> Wooo.. Almost done.
[6:05] <Psi-Jack> One more thing to solder.
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[6:05] <aberrant> seth@pigpen:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [sudo] password for seth: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[6:06] <aberrant> zardoz: what's your uname -a show?
[6:06] <Zardoz> I dont have my pi up at the moment
[6:06] <aberrant> Sonny_Jim: yours?
[6:07] <nevodka> Linux pi 4.4.48-v7+ #964 SMP Mon Feb 13 16:57:51 GMT 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux
[6:08] <aberrant> hm. that's old.
[6:08] <aberrant> mine *was* Linux pigpen 4.9.20-v7+ #985 SMP Mon Apr 3 10:30:44 BST 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux
[6:08] <aberrant> now it's Linux pigpen 4.4.50-v7+ #970 SMP Mon Feb 20 19:18:29 GMT 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux
[6:09] <nevodka> its its from the raspbian release on march 2nd 2017
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[6:09] <aberrant> I tried an rpi-upgrade as well, Nothing available.
[6:10] <nevodka> 4.4 to 4.9 is a large jump
[6:10] <nevodka> did you upgrade from jessie?
[6:10] <aberrant> it went the other way.
[6:10] <aberrant> 4.9 to 4.4
[6:10] <aberrant> and no, this was a clean install about 2 weeks ago.
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[6:11] <nevodka> stretch has 4.9 kernel
[6:11] <nevodka> the testing release of debian
[6:11] <nevodka> the stable release is on 4.4
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[6:11] <aberrant> hm. I wonder if the raspbian distribution had an out of sync kernel then
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[6:11] <nevodka> i dont know why you would end up on stretch when you installed
[6:11] <aberrant> I downloaded the minimal raspbian distro
[6:12] <aberrant> It's grabbing jessie stuff from apt
[6:12] <nevodka> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[6:12] <nevodka> pixel and lite both state kernel version 4.4
[6:12] <nevodka> so i have no clue how you could have been on 4.9 without making an explicit upgrade to that :p
[6:13] <aberrant> I didn't.
[6:13] <aberrant> honest.
[6:13] <aberrant> both my rpi3 and rpi2 were on the same version
[6:13] <aberrant> and they both got rolled back.
[6:14] <nevodka> if you want to go back to the newer version you just need to update your /etc/apt/source.list
[6:14] <aberrant> to stretch?
[6:14] <nevodka> yes
[6:14] <aberrant> I'll just keep it at jessie until stretch is fully released.
[6:14] <aberrant> thanks
[6:15] <nevodka> that would be wise if you want stability :]
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[6:15] <aberrant> I want stability.
[6:15] <aberrant> ;)
[6:15] <nevodka> stretch is going to be the new stable pretty soon though
[6:15] <aberrant> yeah.
[6:15] <aberrant> I'm running pihole on the rpi2 so definitely need that up
[6:17] <aberrant> ok, thanks very much, nevodka - appreciate the help.
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[6:21] <Zardoz> nevodka: was he running a non-stable kernal?
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[6:26] <nevodka> he says he got downgraded from 4.9 to 4.4
[6:26] <nevodka> debian testing is on 4.9, stable is on 4.4
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[6:27] <nevodka> so an unstable debian release, yes, i dont know how he installed from that though it certainly wasnt from the official raspbian image
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[6:28] <nevodka> although i think they are freezing debian testing this month once its integrated with 4.10 kernel, then it will be released as stable soon enough
[6:29] <Zardoz> yeah he had to do that at some point.
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[7:19] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Well, it... "works", but the test mode waves are noisy, and the cap trimmers aren't really doing anything.
[7:20] <brianx> i wonder why the noise. the circuit is complex so i didn't analyze the whole thing.
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[7:21] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Heh, not sure, but based on the pictures, it's relatively accurate.
[7:21] <Psi-Jack> To the pictures that is. heh, including the little bits of noise on the square wave.
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[7:22] <brianx> little waves in the corners, just after a rise or a fall?
[7:22] <Psi-Jack> No, in the flats.
[7:22] <Psi-Jack> Perfectly straight otherwise.
[7:23] <brianx> should be in the flats but close to the left side of a particular square.
[7:23] <brianx> is it to the left of each square?
[7:24] <brianx> right after it either rises or falls?
[7:24] <brianx> cause that's normal. it's called ringing.
[7:25] <brianx> any poor quality square wave generator will have ringing.
[7:25] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[7:25] <Psi-Jack> OKay, Yeah, I'm buttoning it up, real quick.
[7:26] <brianx> so it is on the left edge of each flat?
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[7:31] <Psi-Jack> right
[7:32] <Psi-Jack> Eh,, hmm, sec.
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[7:41] <Psi-Jack> There, got a picture of it. :)
[7:42] <Psi-Jack> http://i.imgur.com/QnGzLR4.jpg
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[7:48] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty! Well, tomorrow it's exploration time. :)
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[7:50] <Psi-Jack> brianx: So, when I hook this up to the garage door, I just tap into the wires that come in (1 in, 2 out)?
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[7:51] <brianx> make sure to set the voltage first, but yes. this isn't like a multimeter, there is no protection.
[7:51] <brianx> click....
[7:51] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm...
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[7:51] <Psi-Jack> Set voltage.. Hmmm..
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[7:52] <Psi-Jack> Maximum input voltage is 50 Vpk (100 Vpp)
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[7:53] <brianx> there is a divider that has to be set. if you tell it 1v per division, and feed it 50v, it will let the magic smoke out.
[7:54] <Psi-Jack> heh
[7:54] <brianx> that little dip on the bottom left of each lower flat part is ringing.
[7:54] <brianx> the unevennes in the rest of the line is noise.
[7:55] <Psi-Jack> So, I basically need to set it to 20V on the V/Div.
[7:55] <brianx> 10v/div is plenty to start.
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[7:56] <Psi-Jack> On 16V?
[7:56] <brianx> and there may be protection that i don't see, i didn't analyze the whole circuit.
[7:56] <brianx> yeah.
[7:56] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. hmmm. It's got a crap ton of resisters, a few ceramic caps, and a few other caps.
[7:57] <Psi-Jack> Okay. Well, I'll play with this tomorrow, it's 2am. :)
[7:57] <brianx> ok, goodnight.
[7:59] <Psi-Jack> Oh... Now that it's all buttoned up too, its test pattern is very smooth.
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[8:03] <Psi-Jack> Not too bad for $40 I guess. Reaaally cheap case though.
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[8:08] <Psi-Jack> Aha, nice. One of my goodies today that I just got to, finally, was my Feather HUZZAH. .D
[8:09] <Psi-Jack> That one has the LiPo port ready for it. :)
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[8:10] <Psi-Jack> And a whole crapton of clear LED's of different colors. heh
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[8:19] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty.. now.. I am off to bed.
[8:19] <Psi-Jack> Seems I forgot to order some pin rails. heh
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[8:21] <Psi-Jack> And... Something to help me organize all this stuff with. heh
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[8:47] <brianx> Psi-Jack: i recycle a box of mis-printed envelopes to organize the smallest stuff. laser print them, cut off about 1/3, and cut a notch so they open easier.
[8:47] <brianx> i have a couple boxes that i folded up just to hold the envelopes upright.
[8:49] <brianx> other things go in traditional racks of bins, and of course xerox paper boxes.
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[10:11] <amigojapan> hi, I tried the first suggestion on this thread https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=121602 bu instead of letting me right click, it instead freezzes my house until I remove xorg.cong any ideas?
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[10:24] <drjam> bbl ppl
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[10:38] <amigojapan> there still seems to be no good way to tight click using the official touchscreen, not that I can find :(
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[10:45] <cyanide> so i have this rpi monitor thing. it shows 4 upgradeable packages: libraspberrypi-bin, libraspberrypi0, raspberrypi-bootloader and raspberrypi-kernel.
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[10:45] <cyanide> im using dietpi and tried the updater, but it shows that it's using the latest version
[10:46] <cyanide> how/should i update these packages?
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[10:54] <amigojapan> cyanide: you mean the official 7” display? I got it running by installing the newest version of raspbian theen doing sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade; before I set up the screen, then it just worked
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[10:56] <amigojapan> cyanide: this is the guide i followed https://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-78156/l/raspberry-pi-7-touchscreen-display
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[10:57] <amigojapan> cyanide: still just cant find a way to right click using the screen, the ways that are explained otherwise, dont seem to work for me
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[10:59] <cyanide> lol, im talking about a software called rpi monitor.. anyways, ill just wait for the distro maintainer to upgrade the packages..
[11:00] <amigojapan> ah ok sorry
[11:01] <polprog> have you tried to search for a way to enable it in xorg? thr touchscreen is like a 1-button mouse
[11:01] <amigojapan> polprog: yes, I tried that, but it seems it does not work on jessie
[11:01] <amigojapan> polprog: many people say that
[11:01] <amigojapan> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=121602
[11:02] <amigojapan> polprog: the thread ends justs aying it is a debian jessie problem, and no solution is found
[11:02] <Drzacek> amigojapan, try stretch?
[11:03] <amigojapan> Drzacek: ok, let me google that
[11:03] <cyanide> which file serving protocol is less cpu-intensive? samba or nfs or ftp?
[11:03] <polprog> ftp
[11:03] <amigojapan> ftp is insecute, use sftp
[11:03] <polprog> but theese are different things
[11:04] <polprog> +1 for sftp, it comes with ssh so you probably have it
[11:04] <cyanide> but sftp would be more cpu intensive no?
[11:04] <polprog> its not like it runs on 100% all the time, its a daemon
[11:04] <amigojapan> Drzacek: hmmm, I am not sure I am ready to try the newest version of debian, unless there is a prepared image file that uses it
[11:05] <avu> the pi should have no problems saturating the network with sftp
[11:05] <cyanide> ok
[11:05] <polprog> it takes nearly nothing when idlr
[11:05] <polprog> idle*
[11:05] <petn-randall> cyanide: Optimize for your use case, and only on second place for performance.
[11:05] <avu> mass storage will probably be the bigger bottleneck in many cases
[11:05] <Drzacek> amigojapan, in case of PC debian there is no worry about stretch, works perfectly
[11:05] <polprog> yeah, the access times may be the problem
[11:06] <polprog> get a good card/disk first
[11:06] <Drzacek> amigojapan, upgrading my raspbian to stretch now to make sure (but I don't use GUI)
[11:06] <avu> cyanide: in any case, try not to solve performance problems before you actually encounter them
[11:06] <polprog> ^^^
[11:06] <amigojapan> Drzacek: ok, thanks, I would not know how to do that
[11:07] <avu> cyanide: if you don't get the performance you think you should get, make sure you understand where the bottleneck is, then try to address it
[11:07] <Drzacek> amigojapan, it's very easy, you change "jessie" to "stretch" in /etc/apt/sources.list then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:07] <Drzacek> and reboot
[11:07] <amigojapan> cyanide: anyway, ftp sends your passwords cleartext, so if there is a “man-in-the-middle” attack on you, your password will easily be sniffed
[11:07] <polprog> yeah, it should take an hour max
[11:08] <avu> cyanide: with file serving over the network, the network link and mass storage are much more likely to be the bottleneck than the CPU
[11:08] <amigojapan> ah ok Drzacek , thanks, is it possible to downgrade again later?
[11:08] <polprog> not really
[11:08] <polprog> not recommended
[11:08] <Drzacek> ^
[11:08] <Drzacek> you just burn new jessie image again
[11:09] <Drzacek> so backup all relevant stuff
[11:09] <amigojapan> yeah, unless it is in a spare SD card, I spent too much time setting this one up , I probably dont want to run on a non stable version of debian
[11:09] <amigojapan> yeah thanks Drzacek
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[11:11] <cyanide> <avu> cyanide: in any case, try not to solve performance problems before you actually encounter them <-- good advice
[11:11] <cyanide> amigojapan, all wired connections within my home. mitm attacks should not be an issue ordinarily
[11:11] <amigojapan> alright cyanide
[11:11] <avu> cyanide: a wise man once said "premature optimization is the root of all evil" :)
[11:13] <cyanide> haha
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[11:16] <HrdwrBoB> indeed
[11:17] <HrdwrBoB> the first requirement of code is that it should be readable
[11:17] <HrdwrBoB> second, that it should work.
[11:17] <avu> can, as this example shows, also be applied to admin/ops stuff, not only to code
[11:17] <HrdwrBoB> third, it should be fast
[11:17] <avu> or, well, to life in general :)
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> haha yes
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> there are exceptions
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[11:18] <avu> Yes, the aforementioned wise man (Knuth) also said that this mantra only applies to "about 97% of code" or something like that
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> embedded code is optimisation firstish
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[11:19] <avu> And that it's important to identify the other 3% and have the tools to address them
[11:19] <avu> I think he said it in the context of the goto statement
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> sometimes it's code at the center of your system
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> and it's awful
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> but then you surround it with reasonableness
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[11:20] <avu> Yeah, inner loops are a dog of the female variety
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[11:21] <avu> Especially in something like a game engine or something like that
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[11:38] <Lope> Anyone used one of these? dnsmasq, dnsproxy, pdnsd, unbound, lwresd
[11:41] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[11:43] <Lope> HrdwrBoB: I want it to do the following: 1. Proactively keep records for stuff like google.com domain1.com domain2.com. 2. Serve cached DNS results (duh). 3. Resolve any DNS queries that are necessary using external DNS server. 4. Use an in-memory database of limited size OR it should seamlessly create a blank database at startup inside the tmpfs filesystem that I'll setup in /etc/fstab. 5. Simple and quick/easy to setup.
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[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> dnsmasq should do it
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[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> the others probably as well
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> but eh
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[11:48] <petn-randall> Lope: What problem are you trying to solve?
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[11:57] <Lope> petn-randall: I want to make DNS lookups faster by caching them
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[12:01] <petn-randall> Lope: My upstream DNS server is ~5ms away, unless you're on a satellite uplink I wouldn't bother optimizing for the problem.
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[12:01] <petn-randall> Lope: And your upstream DNS server will server *many* clients, and likely already have whatever you need precached.
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[12:09] <petn-randall> s/server/serve/
[12:09] <Lope> I'm on ADSL my DNS server responds in 57ms at best
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[12:10] <petn-randall> Lope: And you don't have a router that does DNS?
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[12:13] <Lope> I have my linux router
[12:13] <Lope> I've not installed a DNS server, so it currently does not do dns.
[12:14] <petn-randall> Lope: Then I'd go with dnsmasq, as it also does DHCP and is fairly simple to set up.
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[12:16] <petn-randall> Lope: None of them do 1. though, which I interpret as you wanting some precaching. You could simple set up a cron job requesting those domains with 'host' or 'dig'. Any DNS server will only fetch the updated results once the cache expired, though.
[12:17] <Lope> I'm already using isc-dhcp-server
[12:17] <petn-randall> yikes
[12:17] <Lope> what's wrong with isc-dhcp-server?
[12:17] <Lope> it works...?
[12:17] <petn-randall> I've used that before, and IMHO that's overkill for a personal setup, since the config is a little cludgy.
[12:18] <Lope> I'm well familiar with the config and I find it easy
[12:18] <Lope> So no worries.
[12:19] <drjam> <petn-randall> Lope: None of them do 1. though, which I interpret as you wanting some precaching ,-- read that as preaching
[12:19] * drjam got scared till he got legible
[12:19] <petn-randall> Lope: In that case you want the ISC counterpart bind9 :)
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[12:20] <petn-randall> And then set up dynamic DNS updates to allow your DHCP clients to get forward and reverse DNS entries, just spending a day setting it up, only to notice dnsmasq does that out of the box. Not that this ever happened to me.
[12:21] <petn-randall> :)
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[12:48] <Lope> lol
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[12:50] <amigojapan> if I connect a speaker to the audio-out of the RPI, will it be able to make sound? or do I need an amplifyer? I would like to put a speaker inside the extra space the RPI has in hte rpi 7” display official case
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[12:51] <Lope> Cool I got unbound running. It works nicely. Query time 1ms from my RbPi router on my LAN. (vs 57ms best case when nobody is using the internet without) When everyone is using the internet I've seen pings to go up to 5500ms. I've implemented shaping to prevent that. But still. A local DNS Cache is a big free win.
[12:51] <amigojapan> does it depend on the kind of speaker too?
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[12:54] <gordonDrogon> amigojapan, you really need an amplifier.
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[12:55] <amigojapan> ty gordonDrogon , I guess I can figure out how to make a small one with a transistor and put it inside the RPI and power it with the RPI itself
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> or ... https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/speaker-phat
[12:56] <amigojapan> let me see gordonDrogon
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[13:17] <petn-randall> Lope: Look up the 'wondershaper' script. You basically just drop in the up/downstream limits on your pipe, and it'll set up the proper limits.
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[13:21] <petn-randall> s/on/of/
[13:21] <cyanide> man i wish rpi had a better network interface
[13:22] <cyanide> or atleast usb3
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> cyanide, people have been asking for that for the past 5 years, and yet, 13 million Pi's later... it's just fine for the most part.
[13:26] <Lope> petn-randall: I already use it, thanks :)
[13:27] <Lope> cyanide: instead of hoping RbPi will get better, just use better embedded linux PCs.
[13:27] <cyanide> yeah guess so
[13:27] <Lope> Google Raspberry Pi alternatives
[13:27] <Lope> you'll see tons.
[13:27] <Lope> The best is to check out boards on armbian's site.
[13:28] <Lope> you want performance but you're using an education optimized product.
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[13:28] <Lope> You just waste your time, their time and everyone else's time asking for a performance optimized RbPi.
[13:29] <Lope> Not scolding you, just telling you the truth.
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> or you just accept it for what it is. there are more limitations than the ethernet.
[13:29] <cyanide> no, i agree with you
[13:29] <cyanide> no offense taken
[13:30] <cyanide> the issue is the lack of a similar ecosystem
[13:30] <cyanide> if you get what i mean
[13:30] <cyanide> the users, the support, etc
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[13:31] <gordonDrogon> that's the Pi's superpower ...
[13:31] <drjam> indeed
[13:31] <drjam> and lack of sys admin humor
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> hey - I resemble that remark :)
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[13:36] <Lope> cyanide: you'll find the armbian guys are pretty cool
[13:36] <Lope> The community is smaller of course.
[13:37] <Lope> But if you're even semi capable in linux you won't have problems.
[13:38] <Lope> If you want gigE because you want a NAS check out the orange Pi 2E
[13:38] <Lope> It's got 4 real USB ports and gigabit ethernet
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[13:39] <gordonDrogon> I'm in the process of thinking of replacing my home/office NAS boxes - I'm going to stick to x86 for now - I'll continue with Atom systems which have served me well for a good number of years now.
[13:39] <Lope> Alternatively there are Linux SBCs with USB3 also for around $80
[13:40] <Lope> The orange Pis are also probably a lot faster than the pi in terms of memory and CPU
[13:40] <Lope> Not sure about vs the pi 3. But probably on par or faster, still.
[13:41] <Tachaway> doesn't one of the orange pi boards have SATA also
[13:41] <djk> Having odd issues with ssh and vnc not responding but the webcam http is working. anyone ever have this kind of problem?
[13:41] <Tachaway> or is my memory playing tricks on me
[13:41] <Lope> Tachaway: the SATA on the orange Pis and bananaPis is very slow. Avoid it.
[13:41] <Tachaway> oh right
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[13:41] <Lope> Tachaway: it uses a shitty chip. Rather use a USB SATA adapter.
[13:41] * gordonDrogon hops that's a family friendly chip ...
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[13:42] <Lope> gonna focus on work
[13:42] <Lope> later peeps
[13:42] <Tachaway> I do need to get a pi zero w so I can build it into a handheld keyboard as a pico-8 machine
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[13:46] <cyanide> yeah i was thinking of the orange pi or banana pi as well
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[14:00] <Psi-Jack> OrangePi looks pretty good. I'm getting an OPIz soon, because it's got a nice external antenna ipex mount.
[14:01] <Psi-Jack> Which is one thing that pisses me off about the Pi not having the ipex sockets
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[14:12] <amigojapan> by the way guys, it is just a coincidence but there is this Japanese song called “raspberry heaven” and it is a pretty good song :) https://youtu.be/Xpxs5WXxa8E?t=23s
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[14:38] <fred1807> what browser dela best with low RAM? chromium or midori?
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[14:43] <TheSilentLink> Firefox!!
[14:43] <francis> hah
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[14:43] <TheSilentLink> To be honest none all browsers use a fair amount of fan
[14:44] <TheSilentLink> Ram*
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[14:46] <Drzacek> w3m
[14:46] <polprog> maybe except for elinks or midori all browsers are comparable
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[14:47] <TheSilentLink> Drzacek yea cut that's a terminal browser. Probably not what he is looking for
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[14:48] <Drzacek> :D
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[15:32] <Davespice> folks, is there anyone here on Ubuntu 14.04 with Chromium installed?
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[15:34] <leftyfb> Davespice: on a pi?
[15:35] <Davespice> no anything
[15:36] <leftyfb> Davespice: so this isn't related to Raspberry Pi then. Why do you ask? BTW, it's a poor question. You should be stating your issue instead of asking what others are running.
[15:36] <Davespice> ah but it is
[15:37] <Davespice> I am trying to see if others also see a bug with the Sense HAT emulator on the platform I mentioned: https://trinket.io/sense-hat
[15:37] <shiftplusone> Davespice: should I fire up a VM and check?
[15:37] <petn-randall> Unless you're doing a survey :)
[15:37] <Davespice> if you've got one, yes please - the build of Chromium is 53.0.2785.143
[15:38] <Davespice> and the bug is that you can't drag the 3D model around
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[16:10] <shiftplusone> Davespice: looks okay
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[16:44] <Psi-Jack> Hmmhmmhmmm.. My Pi ZeroW comes in today.
[16:45] <Psi-Jack> Which is both cool, and a little annoying, because I actually tried to cancel it to get the OrangePi Zero instead. heh
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[16:47] <oq> Psi-Jack: why not both?
[16:47] <Psi-Jack> I'm likely still gonna get the OPIZ.
[16:47] <oq> you might start hating the orange pi when it never receives any kernel updates
[16:47] <Psi-Jack> Just budgettng. :)
[16:48] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. That's the one thing I'm concerned about, which is actually why I originally went with RPi, better support.
[16:48] <Apocx> I don't stick with RPI because of the superior hardware ;)
[16:48] <Psi-Jack> But some things annoy me, like the lack of ipex connector, when there really should and could've been!
[16:48] <Apocx> agreed. they have pads for ipex connectors though. solder one on
[16:49] <Apocx> I did that on my pi3
[16:49] <oq> Apocx: you have to move a veeeery teeny tiny resistor though
[16:49] <oq> not everyone has the equipment to do that
[16:49] <Apocx> yep. that's the only really annoying bit
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[16:49] <Psi-Jack> Apocx: That's exactly what I plan to do.
[16:49] <Apocx> a magnifying glass and a soldering gun gets the job done
[16:49] <oq> gun?
[16:50] <Apocx> iron
[16:50] <Psi-Jack> Or just a good soldering pencil. :)
[16:50] <Apocx> gun rhymed tho
[16:50] <Psi-Jack> heh
[16:50] <Psi-Jack> Yeah.. Soldering guns can be a bit more problematic if you don't use it right. ;)
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[16:51] <Apocx> alternatively, hot air rework station + tweezers.
[16:51] <Apocx> https://www.amazon.com/Kohree-Digital-Rework-Station-Solder/dp/B00ITMPQS2
[16:52] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, Actually that's not a bad price at all!
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[16:52] <Apocx> I love that station. so cheap but so useful
[16:52] * Psi-Jack adds it to his list.
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[16:53] <Psi-Jack> Variable temperature too I see.
[16:53] <Apocx> only thing that annoys me with the pi3 mod is that the u.FL connector on the antenna itself can swing around and short some of the GPIO pins. so I generally hotglue it down
[16:53] <Psi-Jack> I have a Stahl variable temp iron, which comes in handy, but it doesn't actually show what temp it's at. Just the knob to point at approximately what temp it's at.
[16:54] <Apocx> ah. I use the Hakko station that people constantly recommend on here
[16:54] <Apocx> I love it too, so now I recommend it
[16:54] <Psi-Jack> Hakko, eh? I'll take a look.
[16:54] <Apocx> https://www.amazon.com/Hakko-FX888D-23BY-Digital-Soldering-FX-888D/dp/B00ANZRT4M/
[16:54] <Psi-Jack> I'd like something that can sleep and heat up really fast. :)
[16:54] <Apocx> bit pricey but not too bad
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[16:55] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. Single-tipped, eh?
[16:55] <Apocx> it heats up fast at least
[16:55] <Apocx> I bought many tips for it
[16:55] <Apocx> not too hard to swap them out while its hot either
[16:55] <Psi-Jack> Oh! The nut is down at the base?
[16:55] <Apocx> though could be easier
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[16:56] <Apocx> yeah it's a metal sleeve that comes off
[16:56] <Psi-Jack> I see.
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[16:56] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, my Stahl uses a nut at the tip itself.
[16:56] <Psi-Jack> Comes loose under use. heh
[16:56] <Psi-Jack> And the rubber grip slides down the handle.
[16:56] <Apocx> ah. yeah haven't had any issues with the hakko (yet--knock on wood)
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[16:57] <Apocx> before that I had a weller that was absolutely terrible and was impossible to find tips for :/
[16:57] <Psi-Jack> I'm still looking at option.s That Hakko looks meh, honestly. Button control and only up?
[16:57] <Psi-Jack> A weller? Without tips? WTF?
[16:57] <Apocx> yeah for sure there are better irons out there
[16:58] <Psi-Jack> Looking at something like this:http://a.co/dEQhE89
[16:58] <Psi-Jack> Nice fat grip, vented barrel, visual display, and knob. :)
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[16:59] <Apocx> seems to have decent reviews
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[16:59] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. I'm wondering what that one thing on the side is. Left side.
[16:59] <Psi-Jack> A... Handle?
[17:00] <Apocx> "Side solder roll holder" I assume
[17:00] <Apocx> yep: http://c.shld.net/rpx/i/s/i/mp/10148983/prod_7963551230?hei=546&wid=546&op_sharpen=1
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[17:00] <Psi-Jack> Ooooohhh.. Yeah!
[17:00] <Psi-Jack> That could be nice! LOL
[17:00] <Psi-Jack> I usually hold the spool in my hand.
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[17:01] <Psi-Jack> The one thing it doesn't have is bariable watage.
[17:01] <Apocx> yeah I think I'd prefer just holding it to be honest. especially since I'm left handing and keep the station on my left too, so that setup would drive me nuts.
[17:01] <Psi-Jack> The other feature I want. Wattage AND Voltage, not just voltage.
[17:01] <Apocx> handed*
[17:02] <Psi-Jack> Ohh! In your case, I can understand. :) I'm right handed, but I can solder ambidextrous.
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[17:04] <Psi-Jack> Then there's something like this:http://a.co/3lyGzrM Both air and iron combined.
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[17:06] <BurtyB> Psi-Jack, that looks a rather scary way to store the hot air
[17:06] <Psi-Jack> hahaha
[17:06] <Apocx> yeah I would hope people don't dock it like that while in use heh
[17:07] <Apocx> unless their intent was to add scorch mark decorations to their table
[17:07] <Psi-Jack> Indeed.
[17:07] <Psi-Jack> Or just burn themselves.
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[17:09] * d0rm0us3 uses a weller TC202
[17:09] <Apocx> That station could work out OK. see some mixed reviews. I think I'd rather have two separate stations that I know work well rather than a jack-of-all-trades station that may not work as well. and being a chinese brand I've never heard of (and seeing the amazon reviews) I'm sure quality control issues are abundant
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[17:09] <Apocx> on the plus side Amazon's return policy is awesome
[17:10] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. Agreed.
[17:10] <Psi-Jack> But, I still want multi-watt-multi-volt.
[17:11] <Psi-Jack> For some of the smaller things, lower wattage can definitely make a difference between scorching a board, and leaving the board unscathed, while still soldering the joint. :)
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[17:13] <Psi-Jack> Heh\
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[17:14] <Apocx> I just use my tig welder on my boards. pssh.
[17:14] <Psi-Jack> This one's not too bad either: http://a.co/1euEmBx
[17:14] * BurtyB has a gascat tho one post pub night it ended up stuck in my finger :)
[17:14] <Psi-Jack> Seperate control unit from holster, holster can be mounted on either side, and has a vibration sensor on the torch.
[17:15] <IT_Sean> Drunkin soldering is bad soldering, BurtyB
[17:15] <Psi-Jack> Very little detail about it on the product page though.
[17:16] <Apocx> Ah good ol Aoyue. They knock-off a lot of Hakko products (and others). seem to get generally good reviews though
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[17:19] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Oh?
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[17:21] <Psi-Jack> A bit pricey, but an upgrade to the other X-Tronic; http://a.co/86Xc4q6
[17:21] <Psi-Jack> But seems to have a high low-temp.
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[17:29] * BurtyB wouldn't be worrying the tip I use is about 412C ;)
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[17:33] <g105b> I'm receiving serial data from another device by connecting using the TXD and RXD pins (BCM 14 and 15). Is it possible to add another serial device so they can both communicate at once, or will I need to use a different interface?
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[17:34] <Psi-Jack> heh
[17:34] <Psi-Jack> BurtyB: I usually use silver-bearing solder, which doesn't need to be quite so hot. :)
[17:39] <polprog> Psi-Jack: i usually solder 60sn/40pb @ 230 cntigrade
[17:40] <polprog> g105b: no, unless there's a slave select line of some kind, youw will need a separate uart
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[17:40] <polprog> that's why many PCs had more than one COM port
[17:40] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, lead. Yeah, my current solder is lead based too.
[17:40] <polprog> why use unleaded for protos
[17:41] * BurtyB enjoys the wonders of lead free :/
[17:41] <g105b> hmm, ok polprog thanks for that , so I need to ask a differently worded question:
[17:42] <Psi-Jack> The one thing I've always wondered about, my sn/pb/Ag, is why does it splash while heating it? heh
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[17:42] <BurtyB> I used to use both but keeping tips for each is a pain
[17:42] <polprog> Psi-Jack: maybe flux core
[17:42] <Psi-Jack> But, there's no flux.
[17:42] <polprog> oh, that's interesting
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[17:42] <g105b> How can I connect two or three serial devices to a single Pi at once? If possible I'm trying to avoid having to buy additional boards/adaptors.
[17:42] <Psi-Jack> I know! This is Radio Shack's "High-Tech" silver-bearing solder.
[17:42] <Psi-Jack> At 0.05mm no less.
[17:42] <Apocx> doesn't it have a rosin core then?
[17:43] <Psi-Jack> Apocx: Nope, lead core.
[17:43] <Apocx> or maybe I'm thinking of a different radioshack solder
[17:43] <Apocx> ah
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[17:44] <Psi-Jack> https://www.radioshack.com/collections/solder/products/silver-bearing-solder
[17:44] <Psi-Jack> This is close to what I use.
[17:44] <Apocx> yeah that is rosin core
[17:44] <Psi-Jack> tin/lead/silver?
[17:45] <polprog> g105b: if it's UART/RS232 you have to use separate ports, if it's I2C or SPI or anything else, then you're good
[17:45] <polprog> g105b: you could in theory make soft UART
[17:45] <Apocx> yeah. surrounding a rosin (flux) core
[17:45] <Psi-Jack> This isn't the rosin core that they also sell.
[17:45] <Apocx> ah
[17:46] <polprog> g105b: you can also get a bunch of cheap USB-UART (RS232) adapters and that's the best solution
[17:46] <Psi-Jack> https://www.radioshack.com/collections/solder/products/high-tech-rosin-core-solder-1-5-oz
[17:46] <Psi-Jack> Apocx: You're thinking that one.
[17:46] <Psi-Jack> Or not that one, but similar.
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[17:46] <g105b> polprog: i2c is just a protocol, right? If so I think I will learn how to code the arduino boards to talk to the pi using i2c... I like that clean approach best.
[17:47] <Psi-Jack> Ahh. Here we go, this is /exactly/ what I use.
[17:47] <Psi-Jack> https://www.radioshack.com/collections/solder/products/radioshack-1oz-silver-sdr015
[17:47] <Psi-Jack> Radio Shack only has silver-bearing solders in lead.
[17:50] <Apocx> yeah I think I still have a spool of radio shack silver solder laying around
[17:50] <Apocx> the 0.22" rosin version though
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[17:51] <Psi-Jack> Radio Shack never had silver rosin core. :)
[17:51] <Psi-Jack> Kinda sad, too.
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[17:52] <Apocx> must just be the "high-tech" version then
[17:52] <Psi-Jack> Right. :)
[17:53] <Psi-Jack> "high-tech" just means thin diameter for Radio Shack.
[17:53] <Apocx> I haven't used it in years, I get all my stuff off Amazon nowadays
[17:53] <Apocx> poor radioshack no longer exists round here
[17:53] <Psi-Jack> I hadn't used my soldering iron in years, so I still had only that stuff. LOL
[17:53] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, RS filed for bankruptcy again. They shut down the two stores I had around here.
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[17:53] <Psi-Jack> Gone in under a month!
[17:53] <Psi-Jack> They still show up on the maps. heh
[17:55] <Psi-Jack> The next best thing to silver-bearing, with a rosin core at least, is basically SnCu, though, I think. I prefer silver most of my contact points.
[17:56] <Apocx> I'm all about the solder paste + hot air gun now :)
[17:56] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[17:56] <Apocx> not even sure what solder spool I am currently using
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[17:57] <Apocx> I do know it has lead in it
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[17:58] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, it'll be different to actually use a rosin core solder. Never have before, thought I'd try it.
[18:00] <Apocx> I'm lazy so that's generally all I use :P
[18:00] <Psi-Jack> heh
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[18:14] <cyanide> even if im running a headless pi, do i need to disable hdmi to reduce power consumption?
[18:14] <cyanide> pi2 btw
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[18:27] <rymate1234> Got a weird ghosting issue with a HDMI pi screen after the latest raspbian update https://images.rymate.co.uk/images/OCxXH2v.jpeg
[18:27] <rymate1234> It doesn't occur on Windows
[18:27] <rymate1234> wait why did I say windows
[18:28] <rymate1234> I meant ubuntu
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[18:29] <GenteelBen> Sounds like you need Windows 10 IoT Core with Creators Update, rymate1234.
[18:29] <rymate1234> nah I'm pretty sure the toiuch screen isn't compatible with it
[18:30] <GenteelBen> Damn.
[18:30] <rymate1234> I haven't tried it to be fair
[18:30] <rymate1234> maybe I should
[18:30] <GenteelBen> Windows had a pretty promising auxiliary screen in Windows 7 called SideScreen.
[18:30] <GenteelBen> Then MS, in typical fashion, killed it in Windows 8.
[18:30] <GenteelBen> *auxiliary screen feature
[18:31] <GenteelBen> Sorry, it was called Sideshow.
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[18:31] <GenteelBen> And apparently it launched in Vista and was killed in 8.1. My memory's off point today.
[18:32] <rymate1234> looks neat
[18:32] <GenteelBen> https://techpaul.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/what-ever-happened-to-windows-sideshow/
[18:32] <GenteelBen> Honestly it would've been great for ultrabooks.
[18:32] <rymate1234> sounds like something that could be good for promoting some sort of windows phone
[18:33] <GenteelBen> A thin OLED strip on the top cover showing battery life, messages, network status, weather...
[18:33] <rymate1234> oh it was meant on the PC itself?
[18:33] <GenteelBen> No, it could be used for anything. E.g. my old Logitech keyboard had an LCD which supported SideShow.
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[18:33] <rymate1234> that sounds incredibly useful
[18:34] <GenteelBen> Also, Windows Phone is dead (again).
[18:34] <GenteelBen> If you could Windows Mobile and Kin, that's four recent deaths MS have suffered in mobile.
[18:34] <GenteelBen> Windows Mobile, Windows Phone 7.x, Kin, Windows Phone 10.
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[18:34] <GenteelBen> s/could/count
[18:34] <rymate1234> it's a shame, I quite liked windows phone 10
[18:34] <GenteelBen> It's a good OS. In fact it's great. Just has terrible app support.
[18:35] <rymate1234> that's unfortunately what kills an OS
[18:35] <GenteelBen> Market's saturated. People either choose iOS or Android devices.
[18:35] <rymate1234> yup
[18:35] <GenteelBen> rymate1234 considering MS could've easily been #2 if they hadn't been dumbasses in the early 2010s, it's pretty damning.
[18:35] <GenteelBen> But Windows Phone 10 couldn't have existed 7 years ago.
[18:35] <rymate1234> yeah
[18:36] <rymate1234> they could've had something similar though
[18:36] <rymate1234> maybe not with continuum
[18:36] <GenteelBen> WP10 is the same kernel + base components as Windows 10 - it's for all intents and purposes Windows 10 with a phone-oriented DE and a network stack optimised for mobile devices.
[18:37] <GenteelBen> rymate1234 I always thought continiuum and other stuff like that was just a gimmick. How many people have multiple equivalent mobile devices they switch between on a daily basis?
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[18:37] <GenteelBen> You use your tablet for one thing, your phone for another, your work PC for another.
[18:37] <rymate1234> oh the same kernel stuff
[18:37] <rymate1234> I dunno that kinda existed in parts in 2010
[18:37] <GenteelBen> What matters is my data/settings following me around, not my workspace.
[18:38] <rymate1234> android and standard linux distros shared a lot of stuff
[18:38] <rymate1234> e.g. the kernel
[18:38] <GenteelBen> And Windows doesn't even have built-in workspace management either...
[18:38] <rymate1234> sure not a mainline kernel
[18:38] <GenteelBen> Eh, Android is by far the most popular Linux.
[18:39] <GreeningGalaxy> android really doesn't count as Linux in any context that isn't strictly focused on the kernel.
[18:39] <GenteelBen> GreeningGalaxy I'm disappointed you didn't use that copypasta.
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[18:39] <GenteelBen> "I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX."
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[18:39] <GenteelBen> https://www.lurkmore.com/view/GNU/Linux_interjection
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[18:40] <GreeningGalaxy> oh lol that thing that hundreds of bots were spewing on that Twitch Installs Arch Linux thing
[18:40] <rymate1234> oh darn it
[18:40] <GreeningGalaxy> I dunno, I just can't think of many cases where someone would say "linux" and mean android too
[18:41] <GenteelBen> There was some guy in another channel who made that into an alias, lol.
[18:41] <rymate1234> didn't backup my touch screen calibration
[18:41] <GenteelBen> So he'd type /linux [nick] and it'd dump that.
[18:41] <chartreuse> I mean, there's nothing requiring you to use GNU tools with your linux kernel
[18:41] <GenteelBen> GreeningGalaxy: I don't think a distro has to use GNU anything to qualify as Linux.
[18:41] <GenteelBen> In fact it's about time we wrote something better.
[18:42] <chartreuse> I'm pretty sure Alpine linux for the most part doesn't use any GNU tools
[18:42] <GenteelBen> It's just there's so much technical debt in these 30/40 year old binaries.
[18:42] <rymate1234> time to extract the OS image I backed up
[18:42] <GenteelBen> Man I bet we'll still be using GNU tools by the time it turns 100.
[18:42] <parazyd> so i have a luks encrypted usb hard drive... with a rpi1 model b, how do i make it not standby after some time?
[18:42] <parazyd> what happens is it "jumps out" and then gets closed in the system
[18:42] <GreeningGalaxy> I know, I'm talking about it from a descriptivist standpoint. I think, in practical use, people who want to include android in a statement encompassing linux-based operating systems will say so directly (unless it's been well-established that the focus of the conversation is really the kernel itself, and nothing else)
[18:42] <GenteelBen> How amazing would that be? By then we'll have flying cars and head transplants and shit, but we'll still be using cron to schedule jobs.
[18:43] <chartreuse> The pi not standby? Or the hard drive no spin down?
[18:43] <parazyd> chartreuse: the hard drive
[18:44] <chartreuse> hdparm is the tool you're looking for. I believe hdparm -S sets the standby time
[18:44] <parazyd> mmm ok, i'll give it a look. thanks!
[18:45] <chartreuse> I don't think it's persistant across reboots though, you'd have to run it on startup somehow
[18:45] <parazyd> chartreuse: so it should be 0 ?
[18:45] <parazyd> the timeout
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> GenteelBen, family friendly head transplants, I hope ...
[18:45] <GreeningGalaxy> stuff it in /etc/rc.local to make it happen at boot.
[18:46] <chartreuse> I'm not entirely sure, the man page might say something
[18:47] <parazyd> will do
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[18:47] <chartreuse> 253 seems to be a vendor specified time between 8 and 12 hours
[18:47] <chartreuse> That's likely what you want
[18:48] <parazyd> cool
[18:48] <chartreuse> 241-251 are from 30 minutes (241) up to 5.5 hours (multiples of 30) in that range
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[18:49] <chartreuse> Not sure if you'd really want it not to spin down for that long of a time. The amount of power used I don't think weighs against a 2s spin up time after a long downtime
[18:49] <chartreuse> But that's how you can do it
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[20:06] <kagey> Does anyone know of an alternative for the WittyPi board, allowing scheduling of power / startup+shutdown. They are out of stock
[20:07] <Psi-Jack> kagey: Got any questions about RaspberryPi?
[20:08] <Psi-Jack> Oh, that's a RTC?
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[20:09] <kagey> Psi-Jack: looking for ways to schedule power, would like to run periodic jobs off a battery pack.
[20:09] * Psi-Jack widens an eye.
[20:13] <GenteelBen> Your third eye?
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[20:14] <Psi-Jack> Exactly!
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[20:18] <joelwallis> Hi. Is it possible to charge a Raspberry Pi with a cellphone charger - one of these USB ones?
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[20:19] <oq> joelwallis: depends on the specs of the charger
[20:20] <oq> there should be a sticker on it telling you how many amps it's rated for
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[20:20] <joelwallis> I have one here that says 5V / 1.6A
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[20:21] <nacelle> thats a nice one
[20:21] <Apocx> you can power a RPI with that yeah
[20:21] <Apocx> can't really charge it though unless it has a battery ;)
[20:21] <Apocx> you could charge the caps I s
[20:21] <Apocx> s'pose
[20:21] <joelwallis> Ops! Yeah, sure. my bad
[20:21] <nacelle> all you technically need is .5a, but i've found that to be a bit dodgy if usb things are plugged in.
[20:21] <joelwallis> but what about power a Pi through a USB port?
[20:22] <Apocx> you should power the pi through it's power microusb port
[20:22] <Apocx> you can technically backpower a pi through USB (unless they fixed that?) but I don't recommend it
[20:23] <Apocx> you can also power the Pi through the 5V GPIO pin, but that also has its risks
[20:23] <joelwallis> I'm asking it because I would like to know it I can, like, plug a Pi on a TV's USB and have it working instead of using another electric plug for it
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[20:24] <oq> joelwallis: it would likely need its own psu
[20:24] <joelwallis> oq: sorry, I'm a complete newbie in this field. Wha would be a psu?
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[20:25] <Apocx> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=9322
[20:25] <oq> psu = power supply
[20:26] <Apocx> basically if your TV doesn't follow spec you can probably get away with it
[20:26] <Apocx> disclaimer: If you somehow mess up your TV, don't blame me :D
[20:27] <joelwallis> haha thank you very much!
[20:27] <joelwallis> I didn't know there was a forum for Pi users. it surely will be a very helpful resource
[20:29] <nacelle> joelwallis: yes, you can usually plug into a tv's usb, but its not usually great to do so (its usually .5a, so the bare minimum in power, but the bigger problem is when you turn the tv off they generally turn the usb port off too - not so great for a pi)
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[20:31] <joelwallis> cool
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[20:36] <gordonDrogon> I've powered a Pi v3 off my TV in the past.
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> However .... my TV keeps USB power on when you turn it off.
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[20:36] <gordonDrogon> ... for about 30 second.
[20:36] <Psi-Jack> Blah.
[20:36] <Psi-Jack> I... effing... hate.... USPS.
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> so there was me thinking this was neat - only to find the Pi turned off )-:
[20:37] <Apocx> doh!
[20:37] <Psi-Jack> Sorry. Shouldn't have used even the e-word. :(
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[20:37] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[20:37] <Apocx> 30 seconds would be perfect though if you could detect that the TV was off. just enough time to shutdown :)
[20:37] <Apocx> not helpful if you want it running 24/7 of course
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> the TV uses a mechanical relay too - you hear it click.
[20:37] <Psi-Jack> USPS came, delivered 2 of 3 packages into my mailbox, marked the 3rd as delayed, and didn't even attempt delivery.
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[20:37] <Apocx> good ol' USPS
[20:38] <Psi-Jack> I filed complaint. Especially since I have it all on video. ;)
[20:38] <GenteelBen> Psi-Jack: by "third eye" I meant your urethra.
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> Apocx, most TVs will be expecting you to plug in a usb drive of some sort - it might be detectible via the Pi, but powering anything other than a zero might be intersting that way.
[20:38] <GenteelBen> Perhaps that euphemism isn't as universal as I'd assumed.
[20:38] <Psi-Jack> GenteelBen: Umm. No.
[20:39] <Apocx> yep. If all else fails you could maybe monitor the HDMI to know when the TV shuts off. Not sure if HDMI has that feature though
[20:39] <Apocx> like a "no device" signal
[20:39] <Psi-Jack> I was also more assuming you meant the "third eye" based on my nick, Psi, like psionic. ;)
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> Apocx, there's all the CEC stuff - that does work - I use my TV remote to control the Pi via Kodi.
[20:40] <Apocx> nice
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> so maybe you can get the Pi to recognise the TV off button and do a shutdown.
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[20:40] <gordonDrogon> or just do what I do which is leave it on all the time.
[20:42] <polprog> you can safely leave pi running overnight, it's not windows millenium :D
[20:42] <Apocx> I have no desire to plug a Pi into a TV, all of my Pis are headless clients that run 24/7 :P
[20:43] <Apocx> I do however want to make a PoE hat for it one day
[20:43] <polprog> that would be useful
[20:43] <polprog> i want stackable hats...
[20:43] <polprog> so PoE hat (with data ofc), ioexpander hat, RS232/485 hat etc on one Pi
[20:43] <Apocx> http://workingforwonka.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/wear_multiple_hats_at_work.jpg
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[20:44] <RoBo_V> lol there was 4.9 kernel i updated it via rpi-update. All was good but then I did sudo apt upgrade then im back to 4.4
[20:44] <RoBo_V> what happened.
[20:44] <RoBo_V> rpi-update now showing you are up to date.
[20:44] <Apocx> I tend to make custom hats that do everything I need for a particular application. so PoE will be next on my list of added features I hope
[20:45] <Apocx> haven't done PoE yet, will be interesting
[20:45] <CoJaBo> I got a Pi W
[20:45] <CoJaBo> ..now what
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> RoBo_V, rpi-update and apt-get update ARE NOT connected.
[20:45] <Apocx> CoJaBo: scour the internet for project ideas!
[20:45] <CoJaBo> How is the wifi connected on it? Is there a USB hub, or some other way?
[20:45] <RoBo_V> gordonDrogon: I know, but in upgrade there was some ketnel update i noticed so i think it got back to original
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> RoBo_V, you really shouldn't use rpi-update unless you actually need something from the 4.9 kernel. it's not ready for prime time yet (on the Pi)
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[20:46] <RoBo_V> but why rpi-update not working anymore. keep saying you are up to date.
[20:46] <Apocx> CoJaBo: The wifi is built in.
[20:46] <RoBo_V> ah right ok
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> apt-get update will always overwrite any kernel installed via rpi-update (if there is a new kernel via apt)
[20:46] <RoBo_V> thats what happened.
[20:46] <CoJaBo> Apocx: Yes, but how is it connected? The B/3 have a USB hub, the 0 and A do not
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> rpi-update stores some status somewhere. Not sure where though.
[20:47] <CoJaBo> Mostly wondering if the W still supports OTG
[20:47] <RoBo_V> anyways nvm
[20:47] <RoBo_V> thanks :)
[20:47] <polprog> i'd advice for using one update method not two interchangeably
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon> CoJaBo, yes, as far as I know.
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> I'd advise never using rpi-update unless you want to test the 4.9 kernel.
[20:47] <CoJaBo> How do they connect the wifi then?
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> it's not USB.
[20:48] <Apocx> CYW43438 is the IC for WiFi
[20:48] <polprog> CoJaBo: that depends, you can use wpa_supplicant for example
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> it uses the same SDIO port that the Piv3 uses.
[20:49] <CoJaBo> Ah, cool
[20:49] <CoJaBo> Now, I just need something to do with it..
[20:49] <Apocx> CoJaBo: scour the internet for project ideas!
[20:49] <Apocx> ;)
[20:50] <Apocx> hackster.io is always fun
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[20:50] <Apocx> or be unoriginal and make YASM (yet another smart mirror)
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[20:51] <CoJaBo> Yeh, like 99% of things I see involve a mirror <_<
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[20:52] <polprog> you can get one of those CRT projectors and make a smart wall
[20:54] <CoJaBo> What I want to make is a thing to stream video from my USB boroscope to.. something
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[21:12] <Smeef> Can anyone tell which display is being used in this video? The Reddit comments say it's not 60Hz, probably 30-40 FPS, and can be found for around $10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQC2TvR6uiU
[21:13] <Psi-Jack> Smeef: Well, it's from Adafruit?
[21:13] <Smeef> Psi-Jack, I've seen all of the Adafruit displays, none of them meet the parameters
[21:14] <Smeef> Also, Adafruit will probably never sell a display for $10, lol
[21:14] <Apocx> https://blog.adafruit.com/2016/03/04/mintypi-a-pi-zero-based-gaming-system-in-a-mint-tin-piday-raspberrypi-raspberry_pi/
[21:14] <Apocx> https://www.adafruit.com/product/911
[21:14] <Apocx> looks like that?
[21:15] <Apocx> at least that's what was used in version 1.0 I guess
[21:16] <Smeef> Apocx: That's the old version, I own a couple of those displays, he changed it in the new version
[21:16] <Apocx> I'd just e-mail him
[21:16] <Psi-Jack> &
[21:16] <Psi-Jack> Err, ^
[21:16] <Smeef> Tried that, no response
[21:16] <Smeef> It's been a couple days
[21:16] <Psi-Jack> Then you'll have to wait for him to do what he said he'd do.
[21:16] <Psi-Jack> Like everyone else.
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[21:18] <Psi-Jack> I'm wondering, personally, if anyone's actually tried one of those Sonoff touch light switches.
[21:24] <frostwork> played a bit with the normal sonoff and espeasy and it worked just fine. can't speak for the wallmount touch thingy, but probably works as well
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[21:32] <svm_invictvs> I see adafruit has lots of water temperature sensors
[21:32] <svm_invictvs> But do they have the fittings the probe goes inside?
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[21:33] <Apocx> what do you mean? like the metal/plastic sleeves they put over the DS18B20?
[21:34] <Apocx> I think I'm going to make a PoE carrier board for the Pi CM3.
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[21:37] <svm_invictvs> Yeah
[21:38] <svm_invictvs> I suppose you could very easily machine a part to accept the probe and it would conduct heat to the probe
[21:39] <Apocx> yeah. couple that with some waterproof heatshrink
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[21:40] <svm_invictvs> I suppose I could probably jsut run this into a "T" fitting as well: https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecId=25654&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=DC8415&gclid=CMzIi5OUndMCFUlqfgodn2UDPw
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[21:42] <svm_invictvs> Could also just machine and tap some Aluminum
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[21:44] <svm_invictvs> eh, but shoudl be easy to chuck up some hex stock
[21:45] <Apocx> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-ship-500pcs-stainless-steel-304-metal-pipe-6-30-for-temperature-sensors-DS18B20-PT100-metal/32679816029.html
[21:45] <Apocx> kind of expensive, since it's in batches of 500. doesn't look like anything you can't make yourself though
[21:45] <svm_invictvs> But that's not a fitting
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[21:45] <Apocx> I don't think they are. they're just covers. unless I'm misunderstanding what you are referring to
[21:46] <Apocx> https://www.adafruit.com/product/642
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[21:46] <SpeedEvil> they are just covers
[21:46] <Apocx> the metal cover on that
[21:46] <Apocx> if you want something that is an actual fitting with threads then I have no idea :/
[21:47] <svm_invictvs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/201161560995?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
[21:47] <svm_invictvs> Something like that, only NPT instead of hose nipples
[21:48] <svm_invictvs> But ten minutes on a lathe with some hex stock could make that
[21:48] <Apocx> yep
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[21:48] <svm_invictvs> Or a standard T fitting
[21:48] <svm_invictvs> But that means I'd have to use a different sensor
[21:49] <svm_invictvs> okay
[21:49] <svm_invictvs> Just run it into the ADC
[21:49] <svm_invictvs> Or use dual sensors
[21:49] <svm_invictvs> DUAL SENSORS
[21:49] <svm_invictvs> DOUBLE FISTED
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[22:38] <ZSky> Hi, I'm designing a Pi Hat PCB
[22:38] <ZSky> Looking for the 40 pins female header for GPIO...
[22:38] <ZSky> http://fr.farnell.com/amp-te-connectivity/2-534206-0/connecteur-femelle-tht-40-voies/dp/2310167?ost=2310167&selectedCategoryId=&categoryNameResp=Tous&searchView=table&iscrfnonsku=false seems very expensive...
[22:38] <ZSky> Do you know maybe another Farnell reference, just in case?
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[22:44] <polprog> any female 2x20 pin header with 2.54 mm spacing will do
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[22:57] <g105b> I've just connected a SIM800L to the tx, rx pins and would like to test it by sending an SMS (there is a SIM installed correctly). How do I know what /dev/tty* device to address? Can I just assume it is AMA0 ?
[22:58] <Apocx> send AT commands and see if it responds
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[22:59] <Apocx> but it should be AMA0 unless you have a Pi 3 unless you have a pi with wifi/bt on it
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[22:59] <Apocx> then it changes I think
[22:59] <Apocx> *or
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[23:05] <g105b> Nope it's a Pi 2. I can't seem to connect to it. I'm using `cu -l /dev/ttyAMA0` but I get the error cu: open (/dev/ttyAMA0): Permission denied
[23:05] <g105b> cu: /dev/ttyAMA0: Line in use
[23:05] <g105b> I'm running as root for now.
[23:05] <Apocx> something is using it already
[23:05] <Apocx> some program is probably accessing it
[23:05] <Apocx> did you install software to work with the sim800l that may be running?
[23:06] <g105b> Nope, fresh install of raspbian lite
[23:08] <Apocx> you may need to disable the getty console, not sure though. been a while since I messed with serial
[23:08] <g105b> That's what some googling around is also suggesting... Thanks I'll have a look into what all this means, it's new to me.
[23:09] <Apocx> no problem. this may help: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/47671/why-my-program-wont-communicate-through-ttyama0-on-raspbian-jessie
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[23:36] <ZSky> polprog all 2x20 pin header 2.54mm I find are really expensive: http://fr.farnell.com/amp-te-connectivity/2-534206-0/connecteur-femelle-tht-40-voies/dp/2310167?MER=bn_para_1TP_LastViewed_1
[23:36] <ZSky> how is this possible. Usually such headers are < 1 eur
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[23:44] <shauno> that's the kinda thing I just go to china for. unless you need a tape of 250
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