#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-04-12

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[0:04] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Alrighty.. So, with the scope built, evening back at hand, free time. :)
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[0:17] <Psi-Jack> [saint]: also.... I successfully did the fine tipped soldering. I even changed out for a slightly more blunt tip. BTW
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[0:19] <Psi-Jack> brianx: so I have the scope attached. Hehe
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[0:27] <brianx> just put it across the main wires to the panel and get a capture of the 3 buttons being pressed.
[0:27] <brianx> and a capture of no buttons being pressed.
[0:27] <Psi-Jack> Yep. Working on that now.
[0:28] <brianx> of course set the scale to 10V v first
[0:28] <Psi-Jack> Yep. Though I can go lower.
[0:30] <brianx> if the results don't go above what the next scale would show, then go for it.
[0:31] <brianx> we're expecting something similar to what the simulator showed with a bit of ringing on top of it.
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[0:34] <Psi-Jack> Heh, Got some results.
[0:34] <Psi-Jack> Working on getting those in. Took videos so I could rip out stills as need-be.
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[0:36] <brianx> lol, cool.
[0:36] <Psi-Jack> Hehe.
[0:36] <Psi-Jack> Definitely got some results out of that.
[0:37] <brianx> i expect to see some ringing.
[0:38] <Psi-Jack> For one, seems like with the lock being engaged didn't change the constant frequency.
[0:38] <brianx> the 80hz?
[0:38] <Psi-Jack> It did send a frequency, but remained the same afterwards.
[0:38] <Psi-Jack> I don't know. I'll need help understanding that.
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[0:38] <Psi-Jack> I'm uploading them to my nextcloud server now so I can extract, possibly even share directly from that.
[0:38] <brianx> when locked, it's supposed to send 80hz, then turn off, then send 80hz.
[0:39] <brianx> and repeat
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[0:40] <l33n> I have set the default gateway to 10.2.2.2
[0:41] <l33n> pinging it NEVER works
[0:41] <l33n> what am i doing wrong
[0:41] <Psi-Jack> Does your gateway even respond to pings?
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[0:42] <l33n> oh god
[0:43] <l33n> i think im in the wrong channel
[0:43] <Psi-Jack> Probably. :)
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[0:43] <laveonix> My raspberry pi won't list wlan0. I can wget but not ping. There's an error with starting wpa_applicant. What can I do to fix this?
[0:43] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[0:44] <Psi-Jack> Going to load up the pictures from my phone directly to a microSD. heh
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[0:44] <laveonix> I mean wpa_supplicant*
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[0:46] * Psi-Jack loves his iDiskk for his iPhone..
[0:46] <laveonix> the raspberry is connected through ethernet cable.
[0:47] <brianx> some people do like apple. from their sales, most of us don't. but to each their own.
[0:48] <HrdwrBoB> eh
[0:48] <HrdwrBoB> I have a macbook pro, it's great
[0:48] <Psi-Jack> Heh. I used to be an Android person. But I over-utilized my phone so heavily that using it as a phone became impossible.
[0:48] <HrdwrBoB> I have no desire to own an iphone
[0:48] <HrdwrBoB> let's be honest, a 'phone' these days is something that ALSO happens to be able to make calls
[0:48] <HrdwrBoB> it's not even the primary function
[0:48] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[0:49] <brianx> there are a lot of bad apps out there. many, intentionally bad.
[0:49] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, but when I would receive a phone call, and couldn't answer because the phone itself was too slow, even though it was current generation of its time, that was sad.
[0:49] <brianx> my "phone" is for irc. today was a big day as a phone, i actually made a call.
[0:51] <HrdwrBoB> heh
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[0:54] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Yeah, I made a call too. To USPS. Whom transferred my call to "the operator", and it rang. And rang.. And rang... and rang.... Eventually it hung up on me while mid-ringing.
[0:54] <Psi-Jack> Many times!
[0:54] * Psi-Jack grumbles about the piss-poor standards of USPS these days.
[0:54] <Psi-Jack> Can I go postal, against the post-office? LOL
[0:54] <brianx> lol, nice. customer service in a pseudo government bureaucracy. i'm off to dinner. bbl.
[0:55] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I'm preparing shots. :)
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[1:09] <Psi-Jack> brianx: http://imgur.com/a/5Gcep
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[1:09] <Psi-Jack> That gives a good view of it. :)
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[1:19] <azizLIGHT> any tool i can use to measure my internet uptime and speeds
[1:19] <azizLIGHT> generate a csv file
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[1:19] <azizLIGHT> and make some graphs
[1:20] <azizLIGHT> what do yall use
[1:20] <Psi-Jack> I'll need some light! :)
[1:21] <azizLIGHT> hehe
[1:22] <Psi-Jack> I actually use an interesting approach, and definitely NOT CSV. heh
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[1:23] <azizLIGHT> whatcha got
[1:24] <fred1807> how do I know if force_turbo=1 is up and running ?
[1:25] <Psi-Jack> Well, I use Zabbix to monitor the SNMP of my router, WAPs, and a perl-based http scraper for my cablemodem to get various things, including power levels. And an hourly script running speedtest-cli to get maximum throughput, ping, down, and up.
[1:25] <Psi-Jack> Abd I just tie all that into Zabbix which has native support to graph everything, so I can see the throughput of every single ethernet port, access point, etc.
[1:28] <azizLIGHT> Psi-Jack: i looked at screenshots of zabbix. definitely overkill for me lol
[1:28] <Psi-Jack> Depends. :)
[1:28] <azizLIGHT> but ive used speedtest-cli before, and it didnt seem that reliable to me
[1:28] <Psi-Jack> What IS it that you really want?
[1:28] <azizLIGHT> speeds at any given time, if speeds are not preseent then internet is down
[1:29] <azizLIGHT> does that makes sense
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[1:35] <ShorTie> ping seems a easier way ..:/~
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[1:36] <BurtyB> smokeping is quite nice to see trends
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[1:46] <Psi-Jack> I should surgically embed an RFID into my arm.
[1:54] <phil42> i want to surgically embed a magnet in one of my fingertips
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[1:56] <Psi-Jack> heh
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[2:40] <stiv> just hot-glue it to your arm. surgery is so biological
[2:43] <HrdwrBoB> plus it's way easier
[2:43] <HrdwrBoB> TODAYS ISSUE: Can hot glue solve ALL your problems?
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[2:49] <Netham45> Is there any bus on the RPi 2 capable of doing moderate bandwidth (probably never going to need over 1MB/s) other than USB?
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[3:00] <azizLIGHT> whats the processing power ranking currently: rpi 3 > rpi 2 > rpi 0 , rpi 0 w > rpi 1 ?
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[3:20] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Dinner obtained, eaten, and ready to analyze? ;)
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[3:21] <Psi-Jack> The the food post-eaten, but the signals, of course. :)
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[3:45] <nacelle> azizLIGHT: thats correct
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[4:18] <azizLIGHT> wow rpi 1 (model b i think), is actually slower than rpi zero and rpi zero w?
[4:18] <Psi-Jack> Yes
[4:18] <Psi-Jack> The RPi 1 is older.
[4:19] <Voop> the 1 is the square one right?
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[4:19] <Voop> same clock speed but older version of arm
[4:19] <Voop> i think
[4:19] <Chillum> with the big fat composite socket
[4:19] <Chillum> and huge headphone jack
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[4:21] <chartreuse> The 1B isn't square, you can identify it by the smaller expansion connector and only 2 usb ports
[4:22] <Chillum> this guy right? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Raspberry_Pi_-_Model_A.jpg/220px-Raspberry_Pi_-_Model_A.jpg
[4:24] <Chillum> the A+ is the square one: https://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Raspberry-Pi-Model-A-overhead.jpg
[4:24] <Chillum> one of the ones I don't have
[4:25] <chartreuse> That's a 1A
[4:25] <Voop> the names are confusing
[4:25] <Voop> i was thinking of the A+
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[4:25] <Voop> theres also a v1 of what is now known as the pi3
[4:25] <chartreuse> The B has two USB ports and Ethernet
[4:26] <chartreuse> Don't call it a v1
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[4:26] <chartreuse> The original model you'd just call a Raspberry Pi A or B (Or A+ etc
[4:26] <Voop> yeah
[4:26] <Voop> they sell red chinese market versions on alibaba of the first B
[4:26] <Voop> but they're expensive
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[4:29] <Psi-Jack> Well, yeah. Are they even produced anymore? :p
[4:30] <Voop> https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10013655/7356901-raspberry-pi-zero-w-development-board
[4:30] <Voop> fasttech is trying to sell the zero W for $49
[4:32] <Psi-Jack> Shoot them.
[4:32] <chartreuse> Do those clones use the correct chips? Or are they something like an AllWinner chip with a Pi form factor and header
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[4:33] <Voop> what clones
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[4:34] <Netham45> Anyone know what kind of performance you get out of an RPi Zero emulating a Mass Storage device?
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[4:35] <Netham45> Not looking for much, 500KB/s would be enough.
[4:35] <chartreuse> I thought those red ones you were talking about were clones
[4:45] <nacelle> wow, talk about a markup
[4:45] <nacelle> almost 500%
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[4:48] <oq> chartreuse: the red ones are official, they're just for the chinese market
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[4:52] <Psi-Jack> brianx: POke
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[5:20] <Psi-Jack> Oh, lovely.
[5:20] <Psi-Jack> Now USPS claimed they actually delivered the package that they didn't.
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[5:42] <ball> Can the Raspberry Pi 1B use an SDXC card?
[5:42] <ball> (are the cards backwards-compatible with something the Pi can use?)
[5:43] <Psi-Jack> Blah, I so hate USPS.
[5:43] <ball> Psi-Jack: You'll miss 'em when they're gone though.
[5:44] <Psi-Jack> Probably, but I wouldn't miss their total stupidity.
[5:45] <ball> I won't miss their package prices for international use but I do like that they bring letters to my house.
[5:45] <Psi-Jack> Other companies can do that. UPS and FedEx both.
[5:45] <Psi-Jack> At this point, I would /prefer/ a company like FedEx to take over USPS.
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[5:49] <Psi-Jack> I've had issues where my wife's mother sent a package from Japan to here. I watched USPS bounce it back and fourth 8 times between two sorting facilities, then send it back to Japan.
[5:49] <Psi-Jack> The question is... Who paid for their mistakes? Nobody. They just ate the money and that was that.
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[5:52] <ball> Psi-Jack: Suddenly I don't feel quite so bad about the returned Christmas card.
[5:52] <Psi-Jack> heh
[5:52] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, what my wife's mother sent was proper Japanese ramen. The kind where the mixture packet, and ramen too, is perishable.
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[5:55] <Psi-Jack> But, it's worse when you literally /see/ the mailman specifically not deliver something, Amazon reported it as delayed, I called USPS, several hours later, USPS claims it was delivered, yet never was.
[5:55] <Psi-Jack> Further yet, they claimed they put it in t he mailbox itself.
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[5:57] <ball> For MicroSD cards, does U1 == C10?
[5:57] <Psi-Jack> Yes
[5:57] <ball> Thanks
[5:57] <ball> Am I right in thinking that's as fast as a Raspberry Pi will see benefit from?
[5:58] <brianx> Psi-Jack: they did that to me just last week. package mysteriously showed up on sunday.
[5:58] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Heh
[5:58] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Yeah, I suspect that MIGHT happen to me, tomorrow, but if not, Amazon's going to refund me.
[5:58] <brianx> looking at the images. does it look different when you set ac?
[5:59] <brianx> err, set dc?
[5:59] <Psi-Jack> That was AC
[5:59] <Psi-Jack> And no.
[5:59] <Psi-Jack> I can double check though to just make sure.
[5:59] <Psi-Jack> Well, all but the garage door, since it's night time. :)
[5:59] <Psi-Jack> Might could shift the wave to the left some to fit more on.
[6:00] <brianx> there is plenty of wave.
[6:00] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. ;)
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[6:02] <brianx> does it have a frequency analyzer? that baseline isn't 80hz
[6:04] <Psi-Jack> I don't think it does. :(
[6:05] <brianx> ok. baseline at 1ms per division is showing about 0.3 divisions.
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[6:05] <Psi-Jack> Freq? Yes, it does it see,s
[6:05] <brianx> analyze baseline with the lock off (led not flashing)
[6:05] <Psi-Jack> Seems you have to press the OK button for 3 seconds to make it show that.
[6:05] <Psi-Jack> OKay.
[6:06] <ball> Ooooh, I think I get it. Is SDXC for cards larger than 32 GB?
[6:07] <Psi-Jack> On my cell out here. Hehe
[6:08] <Psi-Jack> ?Can you repeat that brianx
[6:08] <brianx> analyze baseline with the lock off (led not flashing)
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[6:09] <Psi-Jack> Ooh nice. With just the red line attached getting 66-71MHz
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[6:09] <brianx> huh? you can't take a reading with only one lead attached.
[6:09] <Psi-Jack> With both... No freq.
[6:09] <brianx> set DC
[6:10] <Psi-Jack> DC and
[6:10] <Psi-Jack> Same
[6:10] <brianx> set 1ms
[6:10] <brianx> or 500us.
[6:10] <ball> What're we measuring?
[6:10] <Psi-Jack> 16Vmax -2.43Vmin
[6:10] <brianx> ball: a button panel
[6:11] <brianx> yeah, it's clear that it's really 18v. assuming this is calibrated right.
[6:11] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm... Still no freq. This is still connected to the board though
[6:11] <Psi-Jack> Vpp is 18
[6:11] <brianx> connected to the button board?
[6:11] <Psi-Jack> Yes
[6:12] <Psi-Jack> Which had that resistor between both
[6:12] <brianx> with no buttons pressed, it shouldn't make a lot of difference to the frequency. might not look the same shape with out the load of the led though.
[6:12] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Toggling the light did give a frequency
[6:13] <brianx> ok, set 200us instead of 1ms
[6:13] <Psi-Jack> 81Hz
[6:13] <Psi-Jack> That is actuality what I had it on
[6:14] <ball> Weird.
[6:14] <brianx> ok. so 80hz it is.
[6:15] <Psi-Jack> Only when active
[6:15] <Psi-Jack> Like while the button for the light is pressed
[6:15] <brianx> the inactive is probably too fast a pulse for it to notice when taking a frequency.
[6:16] <Psi-Jack> Got it focused on the signal good now. Stable
[6:16] <brianx> with no button pressed, or with the light button pressed?
[6:17] <Psi-Jack> Both
[6:17] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
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[6:17] <Psi-Jack> Took pictures of those
[6:18] <brianx> ok
[6:18] <Psi-Jack> Now the lock definitely does wierd things.
[6:18] <Psi-Jack> Both while pressed and engaged
[6:18] <brianx> we have different labels on everything, is the light S2 or S3?
[6:19] <Psi-Jack> Ummm I forget one sec
[6:19] <brianx> ok
[6:19] <Psi-Jack> S3
[6:21] <Psi-Jack> Interesting. While the lock is pressed it cycles a 10Hz signal looping.
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[6:21] <brianx> ok, i marked my drawing so i can tell regardless of which name used.
[6:21] <Psi-Jack> It doesn't engage or disengage until at least after one wave finishes
[6:22] <Psi-Jack> I had to switch to 5ms for that longer wave
[6:22] <Psi-Jack> 10ms is stable though
[6:22] <brianx> yeah, lock is clearly much longer
[6:24] <Psi-Jack> Very much. Got the baseline, wave and alternating results
[6:24] <Psi-Jack> I want to do the door but it's midnight. Loo
[6:24] <Psi-Jack> I have elderly neighbors so I try to be nice
[6:25] <brianx> you in a condo or something?
[6:25] <Psi-Jack> No. A real house
[6:25] <Psi-Jack> Just not very big yards
[6:25] <brianx> and the light going on and off isn't just as odd/suspicious? lol
[6:26] <Psi-Jack> If they use their curtains as they should.... No
[6:26] <brianx> ok, moving on.
[6:26] <Psi-Jack> I have the garage window snowed and blinded any way
[6:27] <Psi-Jack> I'll get the door tomorrow morning. Working from home tomorrow.
[6:27] <brianx> pushing the door button, it doesn't change the duty cycle like chris suggested, it changes the off time.
[6:27] <brianx> sorry on time.
[6:28] <brianx> off time looks to maybe have changed too... can't really tell.
[6:30] <Psi-Jack> Well, I have new pictures I'm preparing.
[6:30] <Psi-Jack> Only a moment or two.
[6:32] <brianx> ok
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[6:33] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, that was useful, in both learning, and understanding the scope more too. :)
[6:33] <brianx> these will be DC, right?
[6:33] <Psi-Jack> Yes
[6:34] <brianx> :-)
[6:34] <Psi-Jack> hehe
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[6:36] <Psi-Jack> http://imgur.com/a/2V5GF
[6:36] <Psi-Jack> All labeled as to what they were
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[6:37] <Psi-Jack> On the baseline that flat line actually waves, just slightly.
[6:37] <brianx> lol, zoomed out baseline even misses displaying some of the pulses. there probably was another pulse between the first two negative going pulses.
[6:38] <Psi-Jack> Yep
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[6:38] <Psi-Jack> They kept showing and vanishing too.
[6:38] <laveonix> I keep getting a wpa_supplicant error on raspberry pi. What can I do?
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[6:39] <brianx> it's just missing the pulse. it's too narrow at those settings.
[6:39] <Psi-Jack> Basically yes.
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[6:39] <Psi-Jack> It was that ms though I could fully see the remaining pulses properly.
[6:39] <brianx> for S2 and S3, you're only giving one pulse. the interesting part is most likely the repeating.
[6:39] <Psi-Jack> It is.
[6:40] <Psi-Jack> While the button is down, it repeats the same pulse repeatedly.
[6:41] <brianx> can we get a zoom out of S2 and S3?
[6:41] <Psi-Jack> What ms?
[6:41] <brianx> the closeup is great, but i'd also like to see the bigger picture.
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[6:41] <brianx> whatever it takes to get about 3 whole cycles
[6:41] <Psi-Jack> Okay
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[6:42] <brianx> those two little arrows, the ones on each side... they are likely the zero reference and the high/low reference.
[6:43] <brianx> dunno which is which
[6:43] <brianx> guessing right is the zero, left is the threshold between high and low.
[6:44] <brianx> if you move left up, you might get a frequency out of the baseline.
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[6:46] <Psi-Jack> Got them. One sec. :)
[6:46] <laveonix> :/
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[6:51] <Psi-Jack> Updated http://imgur.com/a/2V5GF
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[6:53] <brianx> hmm, that "baseline locked" is not what i expected. 11hz is fast, more a flicker than a blink.
[6:53] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. heh
[6:54] <Psi-Jack> Looks like an average of 6V, which if thats' so, possibly /could/ actually vampire off it with some capacitance.
[6:55] <brianx> huh? 6V where?
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[6:55] <Psi-Jack> Maybe I misunderstand Vavr as an average.
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[6:56] <brianx> ahh, wasn't paying attention to vavr.
[6:56] <Psi-Jack> Is that an average? hehge
[6:56] <brianx> if you vampire power off of this, you'll be reducing the effective resistance of the button board and would likely change the timing.
[6:57] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, I suppose that could be a problem yes.
[6:59] <brianx> at the moment, i'm having trouble figuring out why inserting a small capacitor changes the duty cycle and inserting a bigger one changes the frequency.
[6:59] <Psi-Jack> Heh
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[7:02] <brianx> can you shift the arrow on the screen up a little and see how it impacts duty % on S3 held?
[7:02] <brianx> also can you get a picture of baseline set to whatever ms it takes to get about 3 pulses.
[7:02] <Psi-Jack> Sure can
[7:03] <Sonny_Jim> Isn't that just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LC_circuit
[7:04] <brianx> Sonny_Jim: it would be except that with no capacitor i get the same frequency as the 1uf capacitor.
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[7:05] <Psi-Jack> Which arrow?
[7:05] <brianx> left. looks yellow to me.
[7:06] <Psi-Jack> That shifts the whole pattern. Right arrow shifts the Vadj
[7:06] <Psi-Jack> Or limit..
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[7:06] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, right is trigger level
[7:06] <brianx> i'm not seeing a vadj parameter.
[7:06] <Psi-Jack> What right does is adjust the -2.01V you see at the top.
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[7:07] <brianx> ok, so right is the zero point.
[7:07] <Psi-Jack> Left arrow just adjusts position, so you can move it up/down to level it along the grid. :)
[7:08] <brianx> do either impact the duty % when S3 is held?
[7:10] <Psi-Jack> Nope
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[7:10] <brianx> do either impact the duty % when S2 is held?
[7:10] <brianx> does either impact the duty % when S2 is held?
[7:11] <Psi-Jack> Nope
[7:13] <Psi-Jack> Pretty consistent actually.
[7:13] <brianx> ok. for now, set the position so the top of the signal aligns with the zero on the y axis and the trigger to about the center of the signal.
[7:13] <Psi-Jack> OK
[7:14] <brianx> with those settings, and 1ms speed, do you get a frequency and duty cycle?
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[7:15] <brianx> if not, try 2ms speed
[7:15] <Psi-Jack> Yes I do
[7:15] <brianx> :-) what are the duty and frequency?
[7:16] <brianx> baseline
[7:16] <brianx> unlocked
[7:16] <Psi-Jack> 80Hz freq, 65% duty
[7:17] <brianx> no buttons, unlocked, 1 or 2 ms??? 65%????!!!
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[7:17] <Psi-Jack> Oh.. Sec
[7:18] <Psi-Jack> That was S3 pressed lol. Without any button pressed there is no freq or duty
[7:18] <brianx> try 250 uS
[7:19] <brianx> do you get a frequency and duty cycle for baseline, no buttons pressed when at 250 uS/div?
[7:20] <brianx> this signal is not tooo fast for even this slow scope. it should work.
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[7:23] <Psi-Jack> Yeah trying to get a lock
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[7:26] <brianx> i'm hoping that with no buttons pressed, the frequency is noticably higher than with S3 pressed.
[7:28] <brianx> just looking at baseline zoomed out, assuming the 2 missing pulses really exist, that's 8 cycles in just under 100ms, let's call it 98ms.
[7:28] <brianx> call that 12.25 ms per pulse
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[7:30] <brianx> freq works out to 1/(12.25/1000) or 81.63
[7:30] <Psi-Jack> I can't get lock on the baseline below o.5ms
[7:31] <brianx> ok. by "lock", do you mean it doesn't go to "hold" state? it doesn't trigger?
[7:32] <Psi-Jack> Doesn't go to a hold state
[7:32] <brianx> ok, that means it's not triggering.
[7:32] <Psi-Jack> That to yes
[7:32] <brianx> and when it triggers at 0.5 mS, do you get a frequency reading?
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[7:36] <Psi-Jack> Aha. Finally got it. at 2v
[7:36] <Psi-Jack> 80Hz duty 83%
[7:37] <kejxp1993> laveonix: if you show error message,maybe someone can help you.
[7:37] <Psi-Jack> About 80% avg duty
[7:37] <brianx> baseline, not locked is showing 80% and 83% duty cycle?
[7:37] <brianx> baseline, not locked is showing 80hz and 83% duty cycle?
[7:37] <Psi-Jack> I got it to trigger but can't see it all.
[7:38] <brianx> that duty cycle isn't consistent with the images of baseline.
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[7:41] <brianx> this whole thing doesn't act like Chris Stratton's answer to that stack exchange question.
[7:42] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[7:42] <Psi-Jack> Maybe he had a security+ v2
[7:43] <brianx> chris basically said, the controller sent a pulse every 12.5 mS and observed the impact on a comparator.
[7:45] <brianx> what we're getting here is a square wave oscillator being controlled by the resistors and capacitors in the button panel combined with additional capacitors and resistors in the controller.
[7:45] <brianx> could even be an inductor in the controller, doesn't matter much.
[7:46] <brianx> the bottom line is we have to emulate the resistors and capacitors and not just the output of a comparator.
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[7:47] <brianx> the bjt transistor controlled mosfet that i sent at the very start is the only path i can see working here.
[7:48] <brianx> but, the whole thing can be done inside the controller/motor box and so you don't need to do anything out by the button. it can all hide inside the motor box.
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[7:49] <Psi-Jack> Well possibly I could even bypass the comparator there as well.
[7:50] <Psi-Jack> I mean the logic board is right there and easily removed. Hehe
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[7:51] <brianx> there may not even be a comparator outside the micro controller. every gpio on every chip has something that at least acts like a poor quality comparator.
[7:51] <Psi-Jack> I could hack a remote... But that would give unreliable results and also no alternative control.
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[7:52] <Psi-Jack> I might start looking on the main logic board itself and see what I can see.
[7:53] <brianx> a photo of the logic board might shed some clues, but i don't think this can be emulated digitally.
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[7:53] <brianx> i think the analog of the button board has to be emulated.
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[7:53] * Psi-Jack nods.
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[7:53] <Psi-Jack> So, basically using the original idea of getting a control panel board and relay switches. heh
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[7:54] <brianx> if nothing else, emulating it digitally is going to require virtually disconnecting the remote button board while generating something for the microcontroller to see.
[7:54] <brianx> and doing that would likely be just as hard as actually emulating the analog.
[7:54] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[7:55] <Psi-Jack> Yeah.. :)
[7:55] <Psi-Jack> Maybe alternatively I could attempt to fully emulate the board's schematics with the resistor and capacitors.
[7:56] <Psi-Jack> To me it kind of looks like a end-line resistor, funneled by variations of capacitance.
[7:56] <brianx> so, the very first control circuit i sent... the one with a single NPN bjt and a single MOSFET shown. the real circuit would duplicate that 3x, once for each button.
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[7:56] <brianx> you still have to "close" the buttons.
[7:56] <brianx> either with a relay or a mosfet.
[7:58] <brianx> pretty sure an CD4016 can't handle the voltage... checking that..
[7:58] <Psi-Jack> http://tinyurl.com/mobraqn
[7:58] <Psi-Jack> That one?
[7:58] <brianx> yep.
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[8:00] <brianx> ohh, CD4016 can handle the voltage... absolute max is 20V.
[8:01] <brianx> but that's really cutting it too close, and it's still got to have a level shift because the control is referenced to vdd.
[8:01] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, max of this control panel is 24V I believe
[8:01] <brianx> ok, so not good there either.
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[8:03] <Psi-Jack> Heh, crap.... I just realized the feather huzzah I was adding the pins to I soldered on backwards.
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[8:16] <brianx> so, the circuit was flawed. http://tinyurl.com/mfr65hj is better.
[8:17] <brianx> this only handles one switch at a time. the real circuit would have 3x the transistor circuit.
[8:18] <brianx> the diagonal wire can be moved to control any of the 3 switches, here it's connected to S3. (the 22uF switch)
[8:19] <brianx> note, the mosfet is P channel. make sure you get a P channel and not the more common N channel.
[8:21] <brianx> the oscillator being controlled (the square wave generator) isn't the same as the one in the controller board, but that shouldn't matter. the mosfet's on resistance should be even lower than those cheap button's when active.
[8:21] <Psi-Jack> Interesting, okay.
[8:21] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I'm currently having to look for getting a nice batch of header pins because I had to sacrifice the ones that came with the adafruit feather huzzah. :(
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[8:22] <brianx> something that does matter is which side is "positive" on the wires to the button board.
[8:22] <Psi-Jack> Indeed.
[8:24] <brianx> my assumption has been that the "left" one in your diagram of the circuit is the more positive one. unfortunately, all the scope pictures are floating so we don't really know what it looks like when referenced to ground.
[8:24] <brianx> if the left one isn't the more positive one, the circuit is wrong.
[8:28] <brianx> to tell, you'll have to trace the wire back to the controller (one probably has a stripe), find the signal ground on the controller board, connect your scope black lead to that signal ground and see what the left wire looks like.
[8:29] <brianx> anyway, it's late. bedtime for bonzo.
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[8:30] <Psi-Jack> Indeed, me too.
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[9:40] <phase2> TEST
[9:41] <NedScott> WEST
[9:42] <eliudnir> BEST
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[13:12] <JakeSays> woo i get my 0w today
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[13:27] <leaftor> has anyone uses anything other than raspbian?
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[13:27] <polprog> arch is quite good
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[13:27] <leaftor> hard to set up? im not new but im not experienced either with arm/linux
[13:28] <leaftor> but im willing to learn
[13:28] <polprog> not at all, there are clear and simple instructions on the site
[13:28] <leaftor> amzing :D
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[13:29] <polprog> you just flash the card and login with default credientials
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[13:44] <parazyd> leaftor: i'm using alpine and it's working out pretty well
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[13:57] <gordonDrogon> leaftor, raspbian is the 99.9999% solution for the Pi. You'll get more support for it than anything else
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[13:57] <gordonDrogon> if you've used Debian then it's more or less the same.
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[13:58] <polprog> that's true
[13:58] <polprog> but why not try other stuff?
[13:58] <polprog> especially if you have a couple of pis
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> for me? because I've been using Debian for 20 years and can't be bothered.
[14:00] <petn-randall> ^^^ this :)
[14:00] <HrdwrBoB> because some people have actual end goals other than dicking around :)
[14:00] <HrdwrBoB> I mean, dicking around is cool
[14:00] <petn-randall> I tend to tinker on other things than trying out other distros, but I think everyone has done that at one point in time.
[14:00] <HrdwrBoB> I did a lot of just trying stuff when I was young
[14:00] <HrdwrBoB> now I am old and grumpy
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> ^^^ me too...
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[14:01] <gordonDrogon> actually, I went from SLS to Debian. However I've had to work with RH and Suse, and SunOs/Solaris/H-pux, and some other weird SGI thing.
[14:02] <HrdwrBoB> fortunately we retired our old crap sunos
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> as well as a home-grown unix-like thing a company I was working with developed at the time...
[14:02] <HrdwrBoB> the reality is that the world runs on linux
[14:02] <HrdwrBoB> at least, in the server world
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[14:03] <petn-randall> And the mobile world
[14:03] <parazyd> >using debian for 20 years
[14:03] <parazyd> you're missing out man
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[14:03] <gordonDrogon> fortunately, being self employd means I now get to choose what I work with...
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> although these days it seems mostly to be with bread dough, but there you are :)
[14:04] <polprog> i'm running on arch lately, after using debian then xubuntu on the older lappy. and it's quite cool
[14:05] <polprog> definitely less bloated than ubuntu
[14:05] <polprog> but still sometimes demanding
[14:05] <polprog> although i still run and like debian on the server
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[14:05] <polprog> i would never put arch on anything open to public internet
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[14:06] <polprog> too dangerous, untested
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[14:07] <parazyd> i like alpine
[14:07] <parazyd> way more than arch
[14:07] * polprog googles what's that invention
[14:07] <petn-randall> I thought alpine was the root password on iOS devices? ;)
[14:08] <parazyd> alpine linux
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> the 'danger' comes from the services it runs, surely ... so like any *nix you just control what services it starts... although I suspect that in these enlightened days who knows just what goes on now to make for that enhances desktop/IoT/mobile integrated experiences ...
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> alpine is the email program I use ...
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> its the successor to pine which is not elm ...
[14:09] <polprog> i never looked closely at jailbreaking idevices
[14:10] <polprog> don't have one, don't need one
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[14:14] <HrdwrBoB> hahahaha
[14:14] <HrdwrBoB> gee I'm a moron
[14:14] <HrdwrBoB> I checked my wiring 3x against my wiring documentation
[14:14] <HrdwrBoB> but it turns out the doco was wrong
[14:14] <polprog> whoops
[14:15] <HrdwrBoB> I had it as GPIO 23 pin 16 instead of 24, pin 18
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[14:16] <polprog> it uses board pin numbers instead of bcm
[14:16] <polprog> it's not wrong, it's stupid
[14:16] <HrdwrBoB> nah I accidentally got the wrong one
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> could have been worse; use wiringPi pin numbers :-)
[14:16] <HrdwrBoB> all the others were right
[14:16] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> gpio readall to the rescue :)
[14:17] <polprog> gordonDrogon: somebody invented new numbering scheme?
[14:17] <HrdwrBoB> pinout.xyz is a winner
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> polprog, no - the wiringPi numbering scheme was the first.
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[14:17] <HrdwrBoB> blehhhh
[14:18] <HrdwrBoB> it stil doesn't work :(
[14:18] <polprog> https://xkcd.com/927/
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[14:19] <polprog> HrdwrBoB: what are you trying to do
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/wiringpi-pin-numbering/
[14:19] <HrdwrBoB> polprog: get my OLED screen working again
[14:19] <HrdwrBoB> I had bench tested it many motnhs ago
[14:19] <HrdwrBoB> I've ordered another one just in case
[14:20] <HrdwrBoB> I don't really want to replace it, because it's glued in place just so
[14:20] <HrdwrBoB> but I can do it if I need to
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[14:20] <petn-randall> If it doesn't work, does it at least get unemployment benefits?
[14:20] <HrdwrBoB> http://i.imgur.com/uDxuQdA.jpg
[14:21] <polprog> what protocol is that, i2c?
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[14:21] <gordonDrogon> HrdwrBoB, looks intriguing ... what is it part of?
[14:21] <polprog> looks like a car dashboard
[14:22] * petn-randall has no sense of size for that picture.
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[14:24] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[14:24] <HrdwrBoB> it's a car dashboard
[14:24] <HrdwrBoB> I've added extra LEDs for lighting
[14:24] <HrdwrBoB> because the overlay is a custom one I designed
[14:25] <HrdwrBoB> the stepper motors for the gauges are driven by an arduinop
[14:25] <HrdwrBoB> well, all except the fuel gauge, I left that as-is
[14:25] <polprog> serious project.
[14:25] <petn-randall> Is that legal?
[14:25] <polprog> i'd invest in a logic analyzer
[14:25] <HrdwrBoB> ft that as-is
[14:25] <HrdwrBoB> 22:25 < polprog> serious project.
[14:25] <HrdwrBoB> 22:25 < petn-randall> Is that legal?
[14:25] <polprog> or a scope
[14:25] <HrdwrBoB> ah whoops
[14:26] <HrdwrBoB> polprog: don't really need to, the sensors I've added are all ok, and the only electrical things I'm reading from the car are rpm and speed
[14:26] <HrdwrBoB> which are simple pulses
[14:26] <HrdwrBoB> petn-randall: ... maybe?
[14:26] <polprog> but for debugging things like that display
[14:26] <HrdwrBoB> it's not really *NOT* legal
[14:27] <HrdwrBoB> polprog: it worked perfectly before though
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[14:27] <polprog> excellent, now it does not :D
[14:27] <HrdwrBoB> I'm hoping it's simply blown up for some reason
[14:27] <HrdwrBoB> that means I can just move on
[14:27] <HrdwrBoB> otherwise I have to work out wtf is going on
[14:27] <petn-randall> HrdwrBoB: Depends on the country, but at least in .de it's illegal to do any kind of manipulation on the speedometer.
[14:27] <polprog> really, checking the signal lines should be the first thing to do , does it even respond to commands
[14:28] <HrdwrBoB> petn-randall: oh, hahaha, in .de any kind of modification at all is basically illegal
[14:28] <petn-randall> Well, you can add a cup holder and an ash tray :)
[14:28] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[14:28] <petn-randall> If you fill out the paperwork way in advance ;)
[14:28] * polprog get shivers when thinking about arduino powered speedometer
[14:28] <HrdwrBoB> yeah... I changed the gearbox, turbo, engine, cams, fuel system, etc etc
[14:28] <HrdwrBoB> polprog: ..
[14:29] <HrdwrBoB> to what end
[14:29] <HrdwrBoB> even if your speedo stopped working
[14:29] <HrdwrBoB> you're not going to stop knowing at least vaguely how fast you're going
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> I was into car hacking once upon a time. I don't have access to the facilities anymore, but taking an engine to bits was often done...
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> I did develop an in-car computer too.
[14:30] <HrdwrBoB> my car has over twice the power it did factory
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/6502front.jpg
[14:30] <HrdwrBoB> this is also part of a larger system using the pi to display the other details
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> this was 30 ish years ago. ah well.
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[14:30] <polprog> gordonDrogon: that's the computer i suppose
[14:30] <HrdwrBoB> 22:27 < petn-randall> HrdwrBoB: Depends on the country, but at least in .de it's illegal to do any kind of manipulation on the speedometer.
[14:31] <HrdwrBoB> that wasn't what I wanted to paste
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[14:31] <petn-randall> HrdwrBoB: Stop quoting me all the time! :)
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[14:31] <HrdwrBoB> using synergy, so it's windows+c, not ctrl-c
[14:31] <HrdwrBoB> confusing
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> polprog, it was... 6502 based - 8K eprom, 8K ram, RTC too.
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[14:31] <HrdwrBoB> http://imgur.com/a/quEDa
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/6502back.jpg
[14:32] <polprog> gordonDrogon: i'd like to try 6502 once. currently i'm messing around with avrs, maybe i'll try pics
[14:32] <HrdwrBoB> petn-randall: in any case, the dash looks like an upgraded factory version once it's all in
[14:32] <HrdwrBoB> that's the point
[14:32] <HrdwrBoB> so unless you're VERY familiar with the car, you wouldn't know it wasn't a factory option
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> polprog, you won't like PICs after AVR. they have an interesting pages RAM architecture.
[14:33] <polprog> i'll try, it's nice to know everything
[14:33] <polprog> *many different solutions
[14:33] <polprog> i meant
[14:33] <polprog> ffs
[14:33] <polprog> *many different platforms
[14:33] <polprog> i should sleep
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[14:37] <gordonDrogon> I did one (paid for job) with PICs. decided to not touch them ever again...
[14:39] <polprog> well, for now, time to learn avr assembly
[14:39] <BurtyB> the memory thing put me off them too
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[14:51] <gordonDrogon> it's not a bat instruction set (AVR) but it was really aimed as a target for higher level languages (ie. C)
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> s/bat/bad/
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> avr-gcc goes quite a good job for the most part - I've never had to resort to assembly for them.
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[15:20] <polprog> gordonDrogon: me too, but i feel i should know assembly
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> I've lost too many brain cells to it over the years |-:
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[15:27] <gordonDrogon> http://www.visual6502.org/
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[15:31] <polprog> nice site
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> also: http://monster6502.com/
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> I did a lot of work on the 6502 and 6502 based systems many moons ago.
[15:32] <polprog> the moster one ive seen i think
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[15:40] <phil42> i think the monster6502 could be a successful product
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[15:42] <gordonDrogon> in a small way.
[15:42] <polprog> yeah, you could put it on a wall or so
[15:43] <phil42> it could be used for training
[15:43] <polprog> it's a very hermetic niche
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[16:22] <Apocx> 4 layers, 12x15 inches. oshpark would charge, what, like $1800 to make 3 of those?
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[16:22] <Kitty> I have a raspberry pi zero w
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[16:22] <Kitty> is there anything I can read from the LED blinking as to if the network is working etc... ?
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[16:27] <leftyfb> Kitty: not really
[16:27] <Kitty> bah,
[16:28] <leftyfb> Kitty: are you having problems getting it connected to wifi?
[16:28] <Kitty> not even a case of if the LED does X you know it's finished booting ?
[16:28] <Kitty> leftyfb: I was, it's now working
[16:29] <Kitty> right, next up, iptables and ip6tables
[16:29] <leftyfb> Kitty: is that because you plan on putting it on the internet?
[16:29] <Kitty> yup
[16:29] <leftyfb> as in directly accessible from the internet
[16:30] <Kitty> the hackspace I'm a member of has no firewall on ipv6
[16:30] <Kitty> and I'm not totally trusting of the v4 network either
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[17:04] <Kitty> right, I can connect to apple.lan
[17:04] <Kitty> so that all works
[17:05] <Kitty> yes my raspberry pi is called apple...
[17:05] <Kitty> and there's an apple II on the network called raspberry
[17:05] <Kitty> and a next cube called previous
[17:05] <Kitty> and a vax called dyson
[17:05] <Kitty> and I really should stop letting my friends pick hostnames
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[17:07] <nacelle> changing hostname schemes is a time honored tradition. if you only ever have one your whole life you're (probably) missing out. I wouldn't know. i'm on like scheme 47
[17:08] <polprog> Kitty: name one localhost and see what happens
[17:08] <polprog> hehe, so far all my devices are called glados
[17:08] <polprog> i should change that
[17:08] <polprog> most devices are called glados
[17:09] <polprog> laptop's called vaio and the big PC is called bigone
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[17:11] <Kitty> right, thanks all.
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[17:14] <gordonDrogon> better than Kosh, I guess.
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> or no worse at least.
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[18:55] <Psi-Jack> Oh man that was nice. :)
[18:56] <Psi-Jack> Mailman just arrived, my work laptop is a Macbook Pro, Ring popped up a motion window as they were walking up.
[18:56] <Psi-Jack> COurse, still don;t have my RPiZW, they probably completely lost that.
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[19:29] <g105b> Please could someone help me diagnose why I can't connect to a serial connection? I'm getting /dev/ttyAMA0: Line in use. Is it because I'm using an I2C connection too?
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[19:30] <shiftplusone> g105b: what model are you running and what have you done so far? I2C wouldn't have anything to do with it.
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[19:31] <shiftplusone> If you're using using a model with wifi/bt on board, you need to set enable_uart=1 and use /dev/serial0 or /dev/ttyS0, IIRC.
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[19:31] <g105b> Its a Raspberry Pi 2, and I've plugged in a SIM800L chip to the TX, RX, ground and +5v pins. Then I've tried using cu to connect to ttyAMA0 to test the serial connection. I tried `cu -l /dev/ttyAMA0` but get back that the line is in use.
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[19:35] <shiftplusone> sounds good
[19:35] <shiftplusone> what does your cmdline.txt look like?
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[19:45] <gordonDrogon> I could be a bit out of touch, but I think sudo raspi-config has options to disable/disconnect the serial port from the OS to allow user programs with it.
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[19:46] <shiftplusone> yup
[19:47] <shiftplusone> in the past it would either enable or disable the hardware entirely, but is now split into two questions, letting you have it available, but not running a getty
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[19:58] <g105b> What should I be looking for in cmdline.txt?
[19:58] <g105b> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait
[19:59] <g105b> gordonDrogon: I'm not sure about raspi-config, never used it. I found the option for serial, but the question it's asking is "Would you like a login shell to be accessible over serial?"
[19:59] <g105b> shiftplusone: ^
[20:00] <shiftplusone> console=serial0,115200 is what's using it
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[20:00] <shiftplusone> you can use raspi-config or remove that parameter yourself
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[20:00] <g105b> That's the login console that I'm connected to, also being made available over serial?
[20:00] <shiftplusone> No, you would not like the login shell, yes you would like the hardware available.
[20:01] <shiftplusone> "That's the login console that I'm connected to"? You're connected over ttyAMA0?
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[20:01] <g105b> I see, the cmdline.txt file looks like this, without me editing it, after changing the setting in the GUI:
[20:01] <g105b> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait
[20:01] <g105b> I'll see if I can connect now.
[20:02] <shiftplusone> GUI? that may have disabled ttyAMA0 entirely
[20:02] <g105b> I meant raspi-config
[20:02] <shiftplusone> ah, okay
[20:02] <g105b> raspi-config is a GUI or not?
[20:04] <shiftplusone> Depends on how you label things. You could call it a TUI. Calling it a GUI conflates it with rc_gui, which is a similar tool that uses raspi-config.
[20:04] <g105b> Nope, I'm still getting line in use when trying to connect to /dev/ttyAMA0
[20:04] <g105b> I've rebooted since changing cmdline.txt
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[20:06] <shiftplusone> hmm
[20:07] <shiftplusone> Haven't used cu, so I am not sure I can offer anything else here.
[20:07] <shiftplusone> other than to check the permissions on /dev/ttyAMA0
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[20:13] <g105b> Well I was trying to use python to send a text message, but was just getting errors so I tried a more minimal approach to do it manually.
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[20:14] <g105b> Thanks for your help, I'm sure I'll get it connecting soon.
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[20:14] <AndreeeCZ> hello! What's the easiest way to get digital audio from RPi to an external CODEC? i2s? Is there directly support for such a thing in ALSA ?
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[20:15] <shiftplusone> AndreeeCZ: Yup. Look at the various DAC HATS that are out there.
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[20:18] <AndreeeCZ> shiftplusone, thanks a lot. So, just to confirm, if i get a CODEC with i2s port, i can patch a couple of cables, do some setupping and voila - external DAC
[20:18] <AndreeeCZ> ?
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[20:19] <shiftplusone> Well, I am not sure it's that easy.
[20:19] <shiftplusone> If it's one of the commonly used codecs where the heavy lifting has been done. That sounds about right
[20:20] <shiftplusone> if you get some obscure chip without driver in linux or with broken drivers, then you're probably going to have a bad time.
[20:21] <AndreeeCZ> i see. So the easiest thing would be to ripoff a RPi DAC HAT
[20:21] <manuelschneid3r> Does the pi have non volatile flash?
[20:21] <manuelschneid3r> or any other place where I can park some bytes?
[20:22] <shiftplusone> AndreeeCZ: yes, most of the DAC HATS to be rip offs of each other.
[20:22] <shiftplusone> *seem to be
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[20:26] <AndreeeCZ> shiftplusone, ok, got it, thanks a lot
[20:27] <shiftplusone> Take a look here https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-4.9.y/arch/arm/boot/dts/overlays
[20:27] <shiftplusone> look at the DACs there and see which codecs they are using
[20:28] <shiftplusone> pcm5122, for example
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[20:39] <funkster> finally got my rgb led strip working with pi :) ws2801 don't need any type of level converter, diode, etc. direct connect (external power)
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[20:40] <humbot> rRRRRrrrrr
[20:41] <aerth> lite ARM OS with no systemd ?
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[20:42] <aerth> Hello, can anyone recomment a lite OS with no systemd ?
[20:43] <ali1234> alpine linux
[20:43] <aerth> ah
[20:43] <aerth> i love alpine :D
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[20:46] <aerth> just found SlaXBMC and it is slackware 14.2 and i am very happy
[20:47] <aerth> https://slaxbmc.blogspot.com/
[20:48] <funkster> aerth: whats the advantage of lite OS no systemd?
[20:48] <aerth> i am comfortable using /etc/rc.d scripts for startup
[20:49] <funkster> you are going to switch a whole OS based on systemd vs sysv script? heh
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[20:50] <funkster> you can learn where to put systemd scripts in 10 minutes...
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[20:52] <aerth> truth
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[20:54] <aerth> but nobody on the internet knows what systemd even is so i'll continue not using it
[20:55] <aerth> ali1234 nailed it
[20:55] <H__> funny
[20:55] <ali1234> yeah quite funny in that i exclusively use systemd now
[20:55] <ali1234> i won't touch sysv rubbish any more
[20:56] <ali1234> i wish lennart would tackle build systems next
[20:56] <polprog> haha
[20:57] <ali1234> autotools needs some tough love
[20:57] <polprog> systemd is quite conveinient
[20:58] <shiftplusone> I'd ask what's wrong with autotools, but configure.ac files can be quite cryptic.
[20:58] <funkster> wtf? no one knows what systemd is... you mean the systemd on millions of ubuntu, raspberrypi, debian, etc installs?
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[20:59] <shiftplusone> Well, nobody who preaches about how evil systemd is knows what systemd is.
[20:59] * shiftplusone runs off.
[20:59] <aerth> no i am talking about the other systemd, the one that is stuck up your ass
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[21:00] <g105b> I avoided systemd for a long time because it looked a lot harder to understand, but once I learnt the basics I realised what a good tool it is to know.
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[21:01] <shiftplusone> btw, channel rules. Keep it civil.
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[21:01] <funkster> shiftplusone says keep it civil after he drops the bomb and runs off :)
[21:02] <g105b> To be honest, #raspberrypi is one of the civilest IRC channels I know of.
[21:03] <shiftplusone> IRC in general isn't as bad as some people think or would prefer it to be. It only takes a few people to turn a channel into 4chan.
[21:03] <g105b> Being a total noob like me, IRC has a tendency of being rude, but in here I've learnt so much.
[21:03] <g105b> I'll try and help where possible, but I'm too much of a noob to advise on most things.
[21:04] <aerth> wtf is 4chan
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[21:04] * shiftplusone points to the channel rules again.
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[21:07] <g105b> He left, found 4chan. RIP.
[21:08] <NullM0dem> Im too old to find 4chan...
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[21:13] <Chillum> hehe
[21:13] <g105b> Isn't it the button below ITV?
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[21:21] <g105b> I'm still struggling connecting to serial, but might be on to something. Looking through `dmesg | grep tty` I can see the last line of `[ 2.570095] systemd[1]: Created slice system-getty.slice.` - I'm going to disable system-getty, but I don't have a clue what it is. If anyone could fill me in that would be great.
[21:23] <mfa298> getty is the thing that provides the login prompt, both on the virtual terminals and over serial (if enabled)
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[21:24] <g105b> mfa298: I'm only using SSH, but don't want to unnecessarily break things as I'm trying to make a reusable image for future serial projects.
[21:24] <mfa298> serial-getty@ttyAMA0.service (or similar) mighgt be the one you want to disable (or possible mask)
[21:24] <g105b> I'm just struggling to connect to anything over serial, getting "line in use" error.
[21:24] <g105b> mfa298: Ah yeah I've masked it, so it goes to /dev/null now.
[21:25] <g105b> AMA0 that is.
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[21:26] <shiftplusone> serial-getty services are autogenerated from cmdline, so you shouldn't have to do anything special like that.
[21:26] <shiftplusone> if you've removed it from there, that's it.
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[21:29] <mfa298> I think it used to be that you had to mask it as well, although that may have changed
[21:30] <mfa298> testing it out on my pi2 it looks like removing the relevant console= from cmdline should be enoguh to stop the getty running
[21:31] <shiftplusone> Yay. I say correct things sometimes.
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[21:32] <mfa298> looking back at scrollback, the cu comand from earlier seems to work for me (although I don't have anything on the other end)
[21:33] <mfa298> now to find out how to quit cu
[21:34] <mfa298> ah same excape sequence as ssh
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[21:34] <shiftplusone> some strange ~.<enter> thing?
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[21:34] <mfa298> thats the one
[21:35] <ali1234> <enter>~.
[21:35] <shiftplusone> ah
[21:35] <mfa298> or ~~. in my case as there's an ssh in the middle as well
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[21:35] <shiftplusone> I never remember it, so I mash all the permutations until I get it.
[21:36] <mfa298> cisco is the only thing I struggle with the escape sequence (usually trying to kill a failing traceroute)
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[22:44] <JuPaname> hi
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[22:44] <g105b> Hi
[22:45] <Sevelboen> Hey
[22:45] <JuPaname> need hoster for colocation for my rpi
[22:45] <JuPaname> for low price
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[22:45] <[Saint]> It'll probably occur to you soon that you should state which locality you're in.
[22:46] <[Saint]> right about now, in fact.
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[22:46] <[Saint]> ;)
[22:46] <vstehle> Guessing from his nick: Paris, France ?
[22:46] <JuPaname> france
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[22:47] <JuPaname> I'm looking for a cheap flat share
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[22:47] <leftyfb> JuPaname: you asked this a month ago. You're probably not going to find someone here.
[22:48] <g105b> Are you sure you're in the right channel? A flat share - meaning, somewhere to live?
[22:48] <JuPaname> ok thanks :x
[22:48] <leftyfb> he wants someone to colocate/host his pi
[22:48] <leftyfb> as in, in a datacenter
[22:48] <leftyfb> not a popular service
[22:48] <g105b> Put a pi in a datacentre?
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[22:48] <[Saint]> g105b: from that, I'm gonna guess you're either UK or Australasia based.
[22:48] <leftyfb> yeah, it's a thing
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[22:49] <[Saint]> "flat" is a pretty specific term in that context. Pretty unique to those locales.
[22:49] <g105b> [Saint]: Yeah, UK. Flat share is living with strangers.
[22:49] * [Saint] nods
[22:49] <[Saint]> NZ here, same deal.
[22:49] <g105b> JuPaname: You're looking for someone in France to plug your pi in for you?
[22:50] <g105b> And what illegal downloads do you have planned?
[22:50] <Sevelboen> Why use a rpi for a datacentre?
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> if you want a server in france, then OVH is that way ...
[22:51] <ragedragon> JuPaname, i'm in France
[22:51] <ragedragon> what do you want exactly?
[22:52] <g105b> ragedragon: for you to take the blame for his internet usage?
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[22:52] <ragedragon> g105b, just trying to understand what he need exactly
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[22:52] <ragedragon> i'm not crazy :)
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[22:55] <ragedragon> Julien from Paname?
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[22:55] <ragedragon> (Paris
[22:57] <redrabbit> JuPaname: i member someone on epiknet was doing something like that
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[22:57] <redrabbit> try there maybe
[22:57] <redrabbit> its french
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[23:09] <g105b> I sorted out my inability to connect to serial ... the user wasn't in dialout group - so simple.
[23:10] <g105b> Well, now I can connect with cu -l /dev/ttyAMA0 and I see "Connected", but when I type nothing appears in the terminal, apart from the ~ character.
[23:12] <g105b> I've even swapped to another pi and another SIM800L module in case I'd broken either.
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[23:13] <g105b> Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?
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[23:14] <g105b> It could be that it's just not receiving serial data back, so the command is actually going out but without updating the terminal?
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> g105b, remove the device and short the Tx & Rx pins on the Pi.
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> then try the typing test.
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> I use minicom, but cu is an older thing....
[23:15] <g105b> I'll try minicom first...
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> minicom -D /dev/ttyAMA0 -b 115200
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> if it's a modem, it might not be echoing stuff back.
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> try: <enter> ATE1 <enter>
[23:17] <g105b> I'm in minicom, am I supposed to be able to type?
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[23:19] <g105b> After the press Ctrl A Z message, there is a flashing cursor on the next line, but as I type nothing. Shall I try your trick of shorting the Tx & Rx?
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[23:19] <gordonDrogon> yes, but while it's connected, try: <enter>ATE1<enter>
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> just in-case...
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> To get out, Ctrl-A q
[23:20] <g105b> Nothing
[23:20] <g105b> OK I'll short the Tx Rx pins, then shall I try minicom?
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> be careful shorting the pins - there are 5v and 0v pins next to them...
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> minicom is a well proven and "known to work" type program.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> if you can't get anything going with that then its highly likely something else is amis.
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[23:21] <g105b> Thanks gordonDrogon . OK I've got a cable looping from Tx to Rx. Starting minicom
[23:22] <g105b> There's still nothing updating when I type into the main screen of minicom.
[23:22] <g105b> I'm doing this over an SSH connection by the way, should I try plugging in a keyboard and screen?
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> it shouldn't make any difference.
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[23:23] <g105b> Hmm, I'm stuck now... must be some sort of setup problem, but the OS is almost untouched form the raspian jesse lite image
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> it does seem odd that this won't work, however I have to go to bed, so can't setup a Pi to test, sorrt.
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[23:24] <gordonDrogon> might have time tomorrow afternoon, which is now+15h approx...
[23:24] <g105b> No problem, I need to get some sleep too but you know what it's like when there's a problem to solve
[23:26] <g105b> Cheers gordonDrogon
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[23:32] <mfa298> sometimes sleep is the right thing to do when you're stuck on a problem
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[23:35] <g105b> So true. OK I'll take your advice. Goodnight.
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[23:36] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[23:36] <Psi-Jack> My faith in USPS is slightly restored for now.
[23:37] <Psi-Jack> My regular carrier actually found my package, and about 10 other people's in his route, all mis-delivered, and was correcting all of the,. Finally got my RPiZW.
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[23:48] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
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[23:48] <Psi-Jack> Now I need to make a decision.... To put the male or female header on the RPiZW. I specifically got a Zero case that backpacks a breadboard for prototyping with. heh
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[23:49] <shauno> I got a stacking header and did both (so it has pins on top like every hat/phat on the market expects, and a female undercarriage so I can jam wires in like I do with arduino)
[23:50] <Psi-Jack> That's.. Actually a pretty good idea. I could put the female header on, and if I wanted to use the male headers, I'd have it available.
[23:51] <Psi-Jack> Or I could get one of those extra long male headers which would fit better.
[23:51] <shauno> in theory it means it could just ride straight on top of the pi 'cobbler', but it might be back to front that way
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[23:53] <Psi-Jack> I mostly got the ZW because I wanted to prototype ideas with it, but I may eventually end up using it for something. hehe
[23:53] <Psi-Jack> But, I also do have male to female jumper wires, and a ribbon cable with breadboard connector kit that I could end up using.
[23:54] <shauno> I solved that by quantities :) I have one that lives on a breadboard, one lives in a case, and two that are half way through being absorbed into projects permanently
[23:54] <Psi-Jack> hehe
[23:55] <Psi-Jack> Then again. I could always put the male header on, and if I need female points, I could get a very short ribbon cable made.
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[23:56] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[23:57] <Psi-Jack> I think I'll go with the male header. If I ever want to change it, those are easier to remove.
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