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IRC Log for 2017-04-14

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[0:25] <l33n> anyone have experience with poisontap?
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[0:30] <brianx> Psi-Jack: i kinda wondered about 1msps for $40, i know the $2 stm32 boards from china have 1msps, but no scaling, or matching, or protections. $55 for 50msps seems pretty normal, as did 15msps for $40.
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[1:08] <Psi-Jack> Heh yeah
[1:08] <Psi-Jack> Kinda sucks.. But oh well.
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[1:09] <j4ckcom> what is frequency?
[1:09] <Psi-Jack> It works. It was a bit overpriced for what it actually is.
[1:11] <Psi-Jack> brianx: About the only thing it came with that the other $2~$5 ones didn't, was an actual case to put it in. But even that's really crappy. I'm going to have to take it apart and bore out the button holes a little just to make it fit better.
[1:12] <j4ckcom> Psi-Jack: what is frequency?
[1:12] <Psi-Jack> They couldn't bother to give you button caps either. What button you press is literally the component button head itself. LOL
[1:12] <Psi-Jack> j4ckcom: Your question makes no sense.
[1:12] <Psi-Jack> Nor has context.
[1:12] <j4ckcom> Psi-Jack: what you mean?
[1:12] <Psi-Jack> Exactly. What DO _you_ mean?
[1:12] <j4ckcom> lol
[1:13] <j4ckcom> i m newyorker, country guy :(
[1:13] <Psi-Jack> New Yorker's ain't county folk, ya'll.
[1:13] <j4ckcom> where i can learn frequency?
[1:14] <Psi-Jack> Of?
[1:15] <j4ckcom> frequency
[1:15] <j4ckcom> lol
[1:15] <Psi-Jack> You want to learn the frequency of frequency?
[1:15] <j4ckcom> frequency
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[1:16] <j4ckcom> you don’t know frequency?
[1:16] <Psi-Jack> I'm beginning to think you're just trolling.
[1:16] <j4ckcom> :(
[1:16] <Psi-Jack> Wait. I correct my statement. Now I /know/ you are.
[1:16] <Psi-Jack> Very well known troll in fact. :p
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[1:17] <j4ckcom> :(
[1:17] <j4ckcom> Psi-Jack: ?
[1:19] <Psi-Jack> Oh, nevermind. I mistook you for someone else with a similarish name.
[1:19] <j4ckcom> but i m hurted for you :(
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[1:22] <psiklops> hi again :-)
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[1:23] <psiklops> I installed the current raspbian-jessie-lite image to a Rpi 2 B+ and did a apt-get dist-upgrade. Reading the output
[1:23] <psiklops> i stumbled across some packages being updated from i.e. Unpacking libpam-modules-bin (1.1.8-3.1+deb8u2+rpi3) over (1.1.8-3.1+deb8u2+rpi1)
[1:24] <psiklops> rpi3 over rpi1 ... i would like to clone this image onto an older model Rpi B+ ... is it still possible/ better said, will this work?
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[1:25] <Psi-Jack> psiklops: Do you know the frequency of the frequency for the frequency?
[1:25] * Psi-Jack grins.
[1:26] * psiklops is Puzzled ?:-)
[1:26] <Psi-Jack> psiklops: Ohh, just J4ckcom earlier was asking about it. LOL
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[1:27] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, I do wonder though, curiously...
[1:27] <psiklops> The frequency of the frequency for the frequency is the frequency, no?
[1:28] <Psi-Jack> May seem a bit odd of a question, but. Is it possible to use the Arduino IDE to compile software for the RPi, using all the libraries and etc stuff that comes with the Arduino IDE?
[1:28] <ShorTie> nop
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[1:30] <BurtyB> psiklops, using it in an older Pi shouldn't be an issue
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[1:33] <psiklops> BurtyB, sorry for my bugging, nut shouldn't, not will not be an issue ? Is there a possibility there could be an issue ?
[1:33] <psiklops> nut=but
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[1:35] <Psi-Jack> Okay, There seems to be a RasPiArduino project.
[1:35] <psiklops> Ok, then i will carry on. Fingers Crossed anyway though :-)
[1:35] <BurtyB> psiklops, it's just a version number incrementing rather than a specific Pi model package
[1:36] <psiklops> Ok
[1:36] <psiklops> Thanx BurtyB ... good night
[1:36] <psiklops> all
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[2:39] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty.. . Good ol live database enlargement is completed. I can FINALLY sleep at night without getting alerts. :D
[2:39] <tangerinetoupee> Aside from poor configuration, is there an obvious reason why a Raspberry Pi 3 can share its WiFi device (wlan0) with other computers via an Ethernet inteface (eth0), but an R. Pi Zero W cannot share its WiFi network via its USB interface? Is there something different about Ethernet-over-USB versus regular Ethernet?
[2:39] <Psi-Jack> Yes
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[2:39] <Psi-Jack> Hardware. Lack or ability for the WNIC to enable promisc mode.
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[2:40] <HrdwrBoB> depends what you mean by 'share'
[2:40] <Psi-Jack> Promisc mode is required for bridging and access point capability.
[2:40] <Psi-Jack> That too. :)
[2:40] <Psi-Jack> NAT would work fine.
[2:40] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
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[2:41] <tangerinetoupee> HrdwrBoB, if an R.Pi 3 is connected to a WiFi hotspot via the SBC's built-in WiFi chipset, it's fairly easy to use iptables and IP forwarding to let other computers access the Internet through that.
[2:42] <Psi-Jack> SBC?
[2:42] <tangerinetoupee> HrdwrBoB, ... and for some reason, it's not the case with the Zero. I'm guessing it's because Ethernet-over-USB doesn't emulate Ethernet fully/completely/something.
[2:42] <HrdwrBoB> there is 0 reason you couldn't do it on a pi zero W
[2:42] <tangerinetoupee> Psi-Jack, single-board computer
[2:42] <HrdwrBoB> assuming it could connect to both
[2:42] <HrdwrBoB> ethernet is irrelevant
[2:42] <HrdwrBoB> because that forwarding is IP layer
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[2:42] <Psi-Jack> As I said earlier, NAT would work. Bridging would be iffy.
[2:43] <tangerinetoupee> Psi-Jack, yes. NAT works on R. Pi 2, 3, O.Pi PC, O.Pi Zero... but not R.Pi Zero.
[2:43] <tangerinetoupee> I'm guessing it's because the R.Pi Zero is running as a USB gadget. :-/
[2:43] <Psi-Jack> tangerinetoupee: Wrong. It /DOES/ work/
[2:44] <tangerinetoupee> tangerinetoupee, could you be more specific, please?
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[2:44] <tangerinetoupee> Psi-Jack, could you be more specific, please? :)
[2:44] <Psi-Jack> tangerinetoupee: Yes, could you please?
[2:44] <HrdwrBoB> how doesn't it work
[2:44] <HrdwrBoB> if you can't get the ethernet and wifi to work at the same time - that's an ENTIRELY different issue
[2:45] <HrdwrBoB> but as long as both interfaces are up and functional, NAT is fine
[2:46] <tangerinetoupee> HrdwrBoB, the Zero connects to the local WiFi hotspot perfectly. The host PC can ssh into the Zero as pi@raspberrypi.local (or whatever). The host PC user, logged in via ssh, can surf the Net. There's some kind of DNS problem, I think, because the host PC cannot ping 8.8.8.8 and 'dig @192.168.42.1 google.com' just hangs/waits 30 seconds.
[2:46] <Psi-Jack> But, also, NAT'ing RPiZW (or RPiZ), with USB Ethernet or a secondary WNIC, would completely suck.
[2:47] <Psi-Jack> tangerinetoupee: 8.8.8.8 != DNS issue.
[2:47] <Psi-Jack> A dns issue would be resolving www.google.com to an IP.
[2:48] <Psi-Jack> Firewall issue, routing issue, or something along those lines is likely.
[2:48] <Psi-Jack> Oh man. I didn't know this, but the RPi3's Ethernet adapter is a USB device. Ewwww.. and on USB 2.0, half duplex, ewwww.
[2:49] <clever> its been like that since the rpi1
[2:49] <clever> the usb hub and ethernet are in the same chip
[2:49] <Psi-Jack> Bleh..
[2:49] <clever> the cpu only has 1 usb port
[2:49] <Psi-Jack> Well, I don't use the Pi for USB, so that's okay for me, but still. hehe
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[2:52] <tangerinetoupee> I could add a WiFi dongle w/ hostapd support & then log into the device with that... but it seems like overkill when it's already plugged into the USB port of the host PC.
[2:52] * Psi-Jack scratches his head.
[2:53] <Psi-Jack> You using a serial USB to USB connection?
[2:53] <Psi-Jack> Or you know. I have a much better question.
[2:53] <Psi-Jack> Why /ARE/ you trying to share connections between these devices like this?
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[2:58] <Psi-Jack> I want to get down to the core of the actual problem, rather than the series of problems you have because of just likely doing things horribly.
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[3:00] * Psi-Jack pets his ZNC
[3:02] <Psi-Jack> I finally re-enabled global chat buffers so when I connect from my phone or tablet I can continue exactly where I left off and anything I missed.
[3:02] <Psi-Jack> Within reason anyway.
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[3:15] <Phischi> hm
[3:15] <Phischi> ok, no way to set the internal wifi of the Pi3 to AP-mode?
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[3:21] <plugwash> Sure there is
[3:22] <plugwash> Just install and configure hostapd
[3:23] <Phischi> doesn't work here. I see no new wifi-network
[3:23] <Phischi> and yes, done like in tutorials...
[3:24] <Phischi> stock Raspbian, too
[3:24] <Phischi> after an update and upgrade.
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[3:30] <Psi-Jack> It's broadcom, so no.
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[3:31] <Psi-Jack> Or, at least, unlikely because broadcom are pretty annoying with their blobs.
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[3:36] * plugwash has definately had it working in AP mode
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[3:46] <Phischi> the websites say yes, though
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[3:54] <redrabbit> wow 433mhz module are a perfect fit the esp
[3:54] <redrabbit> i don't know why i even bothered using the rpi3 for this
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[3:55] <redrabbit> it worked though, however this is so much better on an esp
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[4:11] <Phischi> redrabbit: HEH
[4:11] <Phischi> ooops
[4:11] <Phischi> reminds me I need to get/make some PCB to connect more than 1 I2C-device to the RasPi3
[4:12] <Phischi> with the attached RTC nothing else can use it
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[4:21] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. I guess maybe. The specific chip is only bgn.
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[4:22] <Psi-Jack> Phischi: Hehe. I did the exact save thing recently. Bought a variety of breadboards to use for i2c.
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[4:47] <Phischi> Psi-Jack: BGN is okay, I only use G here since N has drops because of air-radar...
[4:47] <Phischi> airline
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[4:48] <Phischi> Psi-Jack: I got a fullsize-one, good enough for everything here :)
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[4:52] <Psi-Jack> Hehe. I have a tiny airport somewhere around in my city but not close enough to have radar conflicts.
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[4:55] <Psi-Jack> Though, I do find it a little odd about this one thing.
[4:56] <Psi-Jack> When I use lshw to show hardware in the RPi3, it shows it as 32-bit. And when I look at /proc/cpuinfo, it shows as ARMv7. Everywhere I look about the RPi3 it's supposed to be an ARMv8 with 64-bit CPU.
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[4:57] <Psi-Jack> Or, at least the ARM Cortex A53.
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[4:59] <ELI5> whats the difference between the noobs installation of raspbian and downloading raspbian from the rpi website?
[4:59] <ELI5> A person I know bought a new rpi3 from amazon. came with noobs preinstalled so I had it install the recommended raspbian
[5:00] <Psi-Jack> You didn't have to install the recommended raspbian. It allows you to download other distros too within Noobs
[5:00] <ELI5> I know this.
[5:00] <ELI5> I tired OSMC I think it was called but there was some video interference
[5:01] <ELI5> I installed kodi and was trying to watch some shows but all I get is a grey screen.
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[5:01] <ELI5> I noticed that the application compton is missing from the noobs installation of raspbian
[5:01] <ELI5> so there is at least one difference
[5:01] <ELI5> I have a pi myself that I downloaded raspbian iso to install and kodi works A+
[5:02] <ELI5> Both SD cards are class 10
[5:02] <ELI5> I tried my sd card which is use daily to watch kodi or browse reddit in her pi and it works just fine
[5:03] <ELI5> and then her sd card in my pi which was installed using noobs/raspbian and it gives me problems
[5:03] <Psi-Jack> Interesting.
[5:03] <ELI5> Right? lol
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[5:04] <ELI5> Currently I am updating with rpi-update to the kernal version I have on my SD card. I have 4.4.50 7+ and hers was 4.4.20 something
[5:04] <ELI5> hers should be through running updates so ill brb
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[5:05] <Psi-Jack> That doesn't make any sense. Though, I'm running Raspbian "Lite" per NOOBS's installer, I'm looking at /etc/apt/sources.list{.d/raspi.list}, and I see all raspbian sources.
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[5:05] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, what is rpi-update? I don't even have that.
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[5:12] <oq> Psi-Jack: it's an old way of updating the firmware, you don't need it since it's updated through apt-get
[5:12] <Psi-Jack> I see.
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[5:25] <ELI5> oq, idk. I run apt-get update, dist-upgrade and I stay at 4.4.50.
[5:25] <ELI5> afaik 4.9.x is out
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[5:29] <ELI5> is there some other command for update?
[5:29] <ELI5> I am not very experienced with linux so I am probably wrong
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[5:31] <ELI5> Psi-Jack, I too looked at the sources.list and they are the same for my raspbian installation via ISO and for the other raspbian installation via noobs.
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[5:32] <Psi-Jack> apt upgrade. That simple.
[5:33] <ELI5> so JUST apt upgrade? no apt-get upgrade?
[5:33] <Psi-Jack> Yes.
[5:33] <ELI5> whats the difference between the two?
[5:33] <Psi-Jack> Technically both work, but I prefer the apt tool, since it actually has more functionality built-in that had been missing in apt-get since the dawn of time. Like, apt search <string>
[5:34] <ELI5> ah good to know
[5:34] <ELI5> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[5:34] <ELI5> that is the output
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[5:34] <Psi-Jack> That means it's current.
[5:34] <ELI5> Linux rpi3 4.4.50-v7+ #970 SMP Mon Feb 20 19:18:29 GMT 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux
[5:35] <ELI5> is that the latest kernel being pushed?
[5:35] <Psi-Jack> Yep
[5:36] <Psi-Jack> With Raspbian, anyway.
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[5:37] <ELI5> going to check the other pi update status brb
[5:39] <ELI5> still update
[5:39] <ELI5> ing*
[5:40] <Phischi> Psi-Jack: I think the 64bit part is not stable yet... I did read they keep it 32bit only for the generic public
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[5:41] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, kinda makes sense. :)
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[5:50] <shauno> Psi-Jack: apt-get was never meant to search, it was meant to get. we used apt-cache to search the apt cache. but I get what you meant that putting them under one roof is more intuitive :)
[5:50] <Psi-Jack> Yep.
[5:51] <Psi-Jack> I still hate Debian, but that's me. :)
[5:52] <shauno> I still love debian, but I realise I'm biased by my pre-debian experiences being in the 90s, when rpm was hell on earth
[5:52] <Psi-Jack> Nah, rpm wasn't hell on earth. It just was not as good as having a real genuine repository manager, which basicall is what apt finally is.
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[5:53] <ELI5> back
[5:53] <shauno> (and pretty much everything at the time was the redhat way, the debian way, or the slack way. none of .. whatever Arch uses, for example)
[5:54] <Psi-Jack> Wow..
[5:54] <Psi-Jack> The WeMos D1 mini Pro has a 128Mbit storage.
[5:55] <Psi-Jack> (That's 16MB) ;)
[5:55] <Psi-Jack> Quite impressive. hehe
[5:56] <shauno> I don't have the pro, just 4MB
[5:56] <ELI5> Can I use SD Card Copier to clone my SD card to the other SD card?
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[5:56] <Psi-Jack> I'm likely going to get a handful of those D1 mini Pro's to deploy around my house, especially since they have one thing most don't, a 5V passthrough.
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[5:56] <Psi-Jack> ELI5: Of course.
[5:57] <ELI5> Currently having it copying my SD card to a USB drive
[5:57] <shauno> oh, that reminds me, while you seem to be using a different board every 2 days. Let me know if you come across something that has a lipo controller, but without adafruit's prices
[5:57] <ELI5> So I suppose I put that USB into the other pi with that other SD card and reverse copy?
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[5:58] <Psi-Jack> shauno: Heh. Yeah, my Adafruit Feather HUZZAH came in the other day, and today, my Adafruit PowerBoost 500C.
[5:58] <Psi-Jack> But yeah, a bit pricey. I'm mostly doing it for development/testing/etc.
[6:00] <shauno> yeah, I have a couple of huzzah's. but I need something running in quantity, and their prices just don't scale well for me
[6:00] <Psi-Jack> Oh, I know.
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[6:01] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, the PoweBoost alone, $18.. Cringe.
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[6:02] <shauno> I mean, I gotta say I love them just for the amount of documentation they pump out. but when I need 10+ sensors, it's difficult to justify the difference between a 4eur nodemcu and a 24eur huzzah
[6:02] <Psi-Jack> $5.50 from Alibaba (with extremely slow 19-39 delivery eta) isn't too bad.
[6:02] <Psi-Jack> For the D1 mini pro.
[6:03] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
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[6:18] <Psi-Jack> Wow..
[6:18] <Psi-Jack> First time I've ever been able to take my dogs outside after 10p without a leash, without a single bark.
[6:19] <ELI5> jeez that other pi still unpacking updates
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[7:04] <drjam> <ELI5> so JUST apt upgrade? no apt-get upgrade? <-- the "get" bit is old skool
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[7:04] <drjam> no longer needed for curent stuffs
[7:05] <drjam> at least, that was what i was told by a Pi dude who seemed to know his shiz
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[7:14] <shauno> Psi-Jack: just grabbed some of these; http://www.banggood.com/5Pcs-WeMos-D1-Mini-Single-Lithium-Battery-Charging-And-Battery-Boost-Shield-p-1123520.html
[7:14] <shauno> not as tidy as the huzzah, but should work out I guess
[7:15] <Psi-Jack> shauno: Yeah, that connector on there is infamous for being a PITA.
[7:16] <Psi-Jack> Blah.. I really need more test leads for my DMM.
[7:17] <shauno> eh. if it comes to the worst, there's shiny bits at the back of the connector housing I can just solder a battery to.
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[7:23] <Phischi> ELI5: needs a newer pi?
[7:24] <Phischi> pi3 was quite fast comparted to the first one :p
[7:24] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, and seems that the craftsman lead kit comes with regular leads with attachments for aligator and clip.
[7:24] * Psi-Jack sighs.
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[7:55] <ELI5> drjam, I was using apt-get because that is what I have read about using. Phischi, I have a rpi3. I suppose the rasbian installation was just super out of date
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[7:55] <Phischi> hm
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[8:35] <drjam> cool
[8:35] <drjam> yeah ive learned heaps, and am still learning....man im SO far behind lots of people
[8:35] <drjam> but yeah, good to learn
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[9:42] <Romme> will the Foundation stop producing Pi 2 once the third model is out?
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[9:49] <clever> Romme: i think they are already taking a shortcut around that question, the rpi2's have a 64bit rpi3 cpu on them
[9:49] <clever> Romme: so the rpi2's are more of rpi3's without the wifi/bluetooth chip
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[9:50] <ShadowJK> They silently changed that?
[9:50] <Romme> that's bad
[9:51] <ShadowJK> oh damn they did
[9:51] <Romme> the pi3 is not working for me
[9:51] <ShadowJK> pi2 ver 1.2
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[10:08] <binaryhermit> clever: they're also clocked at 900 mhz instead of 1.2 ghz
[10:08] <binaryhermit> but I assume that they can be overclocked to rpi3 speeds
[10:08] <mfa298> ShadowJK: it wasn't that silent a change. it was fairly well discussed here and other places
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[10:08] <binaryhermit> but when you assume, umm, sometimes you're wrong
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[10:09] <mfa298> unless you rely on something specific in the arm7 core there should be any real difference
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[10:10] <petzup> hy i have raspberry 3 b, if i use GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BCM) i have input for green led number 19, which number should i use if i use GPIO.BOARD?
[10:10] <petzup> don't know where to find this data
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[10:17] * ShorTie Thinkz google maybe
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[10:17] <ShorTie> https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/12966/what-is-the-difference-between-board-and-bcm-for-gpio-pin-numbering
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[10:19] <mfa298> petzup: if it's based on wiringpi then `gpio readall` should give a useful table
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[10:20] <petzup> mfa298 where should i write this?
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[10:20] <petzup> i use python
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[10:28] <mfa298> if you've got wiringpi intalled that's a shell command so run it in a terminal
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[11:17] <gordonDrogon> yes - gpio readall will give you a nice table of all the pin numbers. physical is down the middle. look for the BCM column eaither side.
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[11:29] <alexandre9099> is there any way to put a raspberry pi streaming a video to youtube?
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[11:31] <gordonDrogon> do you mean to stream a video from youtube into a Pi and out to a screen?
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[11:53] <alexandre9099> no, the other way arrounf
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=raspberry+pi+live+stream+youtube
[11:54] <alexandre9099> gordonDrogon: from raspberry to youtube
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> click my link
[11:56] <alexandre9099> ok, thanks :)
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[14:12] <dan_j> Hi. I'm trying out Fritzing. What are the pins called if I want to make a PCB that can connect straight into the GPIO? I need the female part.
[14:12] <Habbie> dan_j, a header?
[14:13] <dan_j> i thought so. just comes up with loads of random components. I'll look through them. Thanks.
[14:14] <shauno> dan_j: if you're looking on places like amazon, they seem to be called 'female dupont'. I have absolutely no idea why, but it finds the results
[14:15] <dan_j> shauno: I need the PCB mounted version of those.
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[14:16] <dan_j> alternatively, has anyone seen a template for a blank pcb which has the gpio and screw holes in the right places?
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[14:16] <shauno> ahhh, my mistake. that is indeed just a female header. but adding stuff like 2x20 (rows*pins) or 0.1" (the pin pitch) to the search will narrow it down a lot
[14:16] <shauno> yes, https://github.com/raspberrypi/hats
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[14:17] <shauno> (specifically the mechanical pdf, but there's nothing in there that isn't worth a peek if you're designing such boards)
[14:19] <dan_j> i'm interfacing the rpi with this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111970323452?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[14:19] <dan_j> Just need a PCB to replace the wires I've used so that it can be screwed to the rpi instead of being loose.
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[14:24] <gordonDrogon> dan_j, there are Raspberry Pi templates in Fritzing.
[14:24] <TooLmaN> Hi Guys. Is there a way to change the locale and time zone from the command line without running the dpkg --reconfigure TUI interface?
[14:26] <amigojapan> has anyone used hexchat on the RPI? I seem to be having the end of my sentences cut off
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[14:26] <amigojapan> TooLmaN: I am guessing you dont mean sudo raspi-config?
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[14:27] <TooLmaN> amigojapan: Yes, I want to avoid using it. I'm looking for a way to deploy a new RPI and "americanize" it with a script.
[14:27] <amigojapan> TooLmaN: why dont you just configues one, and make your own custom disc image?
[14:28] <TooLmaN> Right now, I burn a new image and make all the changes to it and copy that image to other SD Cards. Just curious if there was another way.
[14:28] <amigojapan> TooLmaN: anyway, I am sure there are ways, probably the normal Linux ways…. not probably, surely, I just dont know htem by heart
[14:28] <TooLmaN> Most of the Linux ways I know use dpkg
[14:28] <TooLmaN> I'm just looking for a non-interactive solution
[14:29] <amigojapan> TooLmaN: I think the dp stands for debian package, so that would be the debian way, there are other linuxes out there
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[14:29] <TooLmaN> True. I'
[14:29] <amigojapan> TooLmaN: I think there is a locale command, let me look it up
[14:29] <TooLmaN> I'll keep digging
[14:30] <amigojapan> TooLmaN: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-set-locales-i18n-on-a-linux-unix/
[14:30] <amigojapan> TooLmaN: https://askubuntu.com/questions/209597/how-do-i-change-keyboards-from-the-command-line
[14:30] <amigojapan> TooLmaN: not that I have tried those, but they seem relevant
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[14:31] <TooLmaN> amigojapan: I totally forgot about the locale command. I've been on Debian/ubuntu/mint for far too long. LOL
[14:31] <amigojapan> :)
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[14:31] <TooLmaN> Thank again
[14:31] <amigojapan> no problem :)
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[15:26] <grummund> Hi, what's the Right Way to configure console video mode in raspbian?
[15:26] <grummund> or, for starters, *any* way configure video mode?
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[15:58] <Psi-Jack> grummund: What?
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[16:03] <grummund> Psi-Jack: which bit was not clear?
[16:03] <Psi-Jack> All
[16:03] <Avi> whats the best way i can do my own realtime video processing from a cam on a pixel by pixel basis, write code to read the rgb[x][y] values, do something, and then send the result out the serial
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> you plug the Pi into an HDMI monitor and it auto configures.
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[16:04] <grummund> gordonDrogon: did that, but would like to see a higher resolution if possible.
[16:04] <Psi-Jack> Avi: You understand that serial is not really all that fast, right?
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> Avi, write a C program, however to process that amount of data in real-time - meaning e.g. 25 fps is going to be somewhat challenging.
[16:04] <Avi> Psi-Jack, only need to send out 1 byte per frame
[16:04] <redrabbit> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt/video.md
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> grummund, look in /boot/config.txt then. (and google for the document that has all the video modes you can use).
[16:04] <Psi-Jack> What purpose would /that/ have?
[16:05] <redrabbit> grummund: link i just poster
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> however if the Pi isn't recognising the monitor it might not work anyway.
[16:05] <redrabbit> its what gordonDrogon is talking about grummund
[16:05] <Avi> Psi-Jack, robotic
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> yes, that's the one that redrabbit posted. read that.
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[16:06] <gordonDrogon> Avi, you might also want to look at openCV.
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[16:06] <grummund> redrabbit: thanks, i had not seen that.
[16:06] <grummund> this page suggests to use tvserice command
[16:06] <grummund> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5851
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[16:07] <redrabbit> official documentation > getting lost in the forums
[16:07] <redrabbit> ^^
[16:08] <Psi-Jack> hehe
[16:08] <Psi-Jack> Yellow RCA jack? Did older Pi's have that I guess?
[16:08] <IT_Sean> they did
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[16:08] <Avi> hm what? O_o https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/919636/how-to-configure-csi-for-known-video-stream-and-grab-frame-data/?offset=6
[16:09] <Psi-Jack> I know the RPi3 integrates video into the speaker port these days.
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> Psi-Jack, new ones still have composite output, just not a yellow jack.
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> http://raspi.tv/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Pi-Family-Photo-Master-Nov-2016_1500.jpg
[16:09] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, have to get a pretty special 3.5mm jack with the headers for the appropriate rings. :)
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> ^ Pictures of all Pi's.
[16:10] <Psi-Jack> Huh... I didn't know about the "Compute Module"
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> there are 2 CM.s The original CM and the CM3 - has same SoC as the Piv3.
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[16:11] <Psi-Jack> What's it for?
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> industrial use.
[16:11] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh
[16:11] <Psi-Jack> Trying to compete with stuff like the Beagleboard?
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> see. e.g. https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/compute-module-nec-display-near-you/
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> no, I don't think there's any competition.
[16:12] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, Interesting.
[16:13] <Psi-Jack> I find it a little funny (and ironic) that the Chinese Pi's are on Red PCBs. :)
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> the first Pi's were all made in China.
[16:14] <shauno> I'm not entirely convinced that was a coincidence either ;)
[16:14] <Psi-Jack> hahaha
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> when they moved production to the UK, the Chinese still wanted to make some as it was better value for the Asian market, so they made them red (initially - I think they're all green now)
[16:14] <plugwash> There are plently of modules out there competing for the embedded compute module market
[16:14] <IT_Sean> I wanted a red one for a while, just because it was different. :p
[16:14] <plugwash> though I suspect few if any of them come close to the pricepoint of the Pi compute module
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> I have red and blue Pi's: https://unicorn.drogon.net/redPi.jpg https://unicorn.drogon.net/bluePi.jpg
[16:15] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: Blue?
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> Blue.
[16:15] <IT_Sean> How in the butt?
[16:16] <shauno> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/blue-pi/
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> There was a limited eddition to give away to people who won a competition and some left over to give away to a few selected others...
[16:16] <IT_Sean> oh.
[16:16] <IT_Sean> they should have sold them! I'd have bought one, just for grits and shins.
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[17:34] <Psi-Jack> Okay, AWESOME..
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[17:34] <Psi-Jack> These Irwin Vise-Grip Wire Strippers, does indeed do Cat5e easily, and I'm sure it'll do Cat6 as well.
[17:35] <leftyfb> strippers for cat5?
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[17:36] <Psi-Jack> Wire strippers in general "automatic"-style. Just place, squeeze, rip.
[17:36] <leftyfb> I think you might be doing it wrong
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[17:36] <leftyfb> all you need is a jacket stripper and a crimper
[17:37] <leftyfb> shouldn't need wire strippers
[17:37] <Psi-Jack> http://a.co/aljGDeF
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[17:37] <leftyfb> yeah, I see no purpose for that tool for crimping cat5
[17:37] <Psi-Jack> You need wire strippers to remove the outer sheath.
[17:37] <leftyfb> or even punching down
[17:37] <leftyfb> no, you need a jacket stripper
[17:37] <Psi-Jack> Which is what this is.
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[17:37] <Psi-Jack> Without cutting the inner wires. :)
[17:38] <leftyfb> no
[17:38] <leftyfb> that's not a jacket stripper
[17:38] <Psi-Jack> This tool will strip jackets off bundled wires like Romex, Cat6. It'll also strip the insulation off the wires.
[17:38] <leftyfb> that will possibly do more damage than good
[17:39] <leftyfb> http://a.co/a7TFJ6d
[17:39] <leftyfb> there's a simpler, cheaper version of that that i've used for about 25 years that's still going strong
[17:39] <leftyfb> only moving parts is a spring and a blade
[17:39] <Psi-Jack> Those generally tend to suck, because they can cut the inner wires.
[17:40] <leftyfb> in 25+ years doing this, never had it cut an inner wire
[17:40] <leftyfb> i've crimped tens of thousands of wires
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[17:40] <Psi-Jack> So have I, and I have easily cut inner wires because of the simplicity of the razor based approach.
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[17:41] <leftyfb> you've got the blade set too low then.
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[17:41] <Psi-Jack> That one has only one minor advantage that it can adjust the depth of the razor, but it can still easily cut the inner wires.
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[17:42] <Psi-Jack> I have an Intellinet crimper tool, but the jackate stripper blade isn't adjustable, and worse, it's ratched so I actually had to think and focus every time I wanted to remove the jacket.
[17:43] <Psi-Jack> Has a ratchet release.... But you have to squeeze just a little to allow that to release back, too. Works pretty good for Cat5e and below, but Cat6 is thicker, so trickier to work with.
[17:43] <leftyfb> get a better one then
[17:43] <leftyfb> even the one I posted is more fancy than the one I have which has never had a problem
[17:43] <Psi-Jack> The Vise-Grip wire stripper, I turn the adjustment knob low, squeeze. Done.
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[17:43] <leftyfb> ah, here we go
[17:43] <leftyfb> http://a.co/5VVZrB9
[17:43] <leftyfb> mine is black, but same thing
[17:44] <Psi-Jack> Heh yeah.
[17:44] <Psi-Jack> I have a similar Klein tool for Coax stripping, just put the coax in, spin, pull, done.
[17:44] <leftyfb> no pull
[17:44] <leftyfb> just spin, then just pull the jacket off with your fingers
[17:44] <Psi-Jack> True.
[17:45] <IT_Sean> I always used to do my stripping by hand
[17:45] <IT_Sean> <-- former cctv & IP cam installer
[17:45] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[17:45] <leftyfb> IT_Sean: coax is different, nicking the mesh wire on the outside won't do as much damage as with cat5
[17:45] <Psi-Jack> This particular Vise-Grip stripper I was able to flawlessly strip a Cat5e test piece of cable, removing just the jacket, not cutting the wires at all.
[17:46] <IT_Sean> Always used to cut the sheath on cat-6 and strip coax by hand, w/ a utility knife. Got pretty good at it, actually.
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[17:46] <leftyfb> IT_Sean: that won't work when you're wiring thousands of ethernet cables in a datacenter. No room for failure there.
[17:47] <leftyfb> the right tool for the job
[17:47] <leftyfb> wire strippers are not the right tool for taking the jacket off of cat5
[17:47] <leftyfb> it might work, doesn't make it the right tool
[17:48] <IT_Sean> Fancy cat5/6 strippers get gummed up and jam hwene exposed to the elements, and 99% of our work was outdoors, suusally in crap weather.
[17:48] <IT_Sean> *usually.
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[17:48] <Psi-Jack> I mean, if it works, and can get a perfect result every time, how is it not the perfect tool?
[17:48] <Psi-Jack> Err "right" tool"
[17:49] <leftyfb> Psi-Jack: size, weight, speed of use, and use it tens of thousands of times, you'll more than likely come across a number of failures
[17:49] <Psi-Jack> Same result I would get if I used a similar tool you pointed out, there's actually more room for failure there, considering.
[17:49] <leftyfb> incorrect
[17:49] <Psi-Jack> I can set the adjustment on this tool to a point that it won'
[17:50] <Psi-Jack> won't even cut the jacket at all, adjust a little tighter, and it then pulls the jacket apart with ease.
[17:51] <leftyfb> Suit yourself. The fact of the matter is, the product I use is meant for the task at hand. Yours is not meant to remove jackets.
[17:51] <IT_Sean> When using a knife on cat5/6, the trick is to just score the sheath, not cut all the way through it. Then just bend it back and forth a couple times, and *POP*. I can do it by hand as quickly as you can with your fancy tool, without nicking the inner wires.
[17:51] <Psi-Jack> Cat5/6 was just one example test case I was curious how it would handle, and I was impressed it handled it literally perfectly.
[17:51] <Psi-Jack> Actually, mine /is/ designed to remove jackets.
[17:51] <leftyfb> IT_Sean: doubt it
[17:52] <Psi-Jack> And insulation, and crimp and cut.
[17:52] <nacelle> i used to use little razor blades in a plastic housing that could adjust the depth of the blade respective to the cable being pushed into the right place as you spun the assembly around the cable to make a cut
[17:52] <nacelle> started out with these - not so great, they will cause lots of damage - http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ghQAAMXQgb1RQkb7/s-l300.jpg
[17:53] <leftyfb> Psi-Jack: show me on tha product page where it says it's meant to remove jackets
[17:53] <nacelle> these are what I like: http://www.tecratools.com/media/productImages/38219.jpg
[17:53] <nacelle> (not all cat5 is the same, etc.)
[17:54] <leftyfb> the funny thing, is I own a version of those strippers and occasionally use them on wire. I would never use them on a jacket
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[17:54] <nacelle> a plenum cat5 often has an additional stiff wire running in it and the outside jacket is definitely a different kind of plastic than non plenum cabling
[17:55] <nacelle> thats where teh adjustable depth is critical - and even more so on 6 I think
[17:55] <Psi-Jack> nacelle: Indeed. :)
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[17:55] <nacelle> with the interior + divider
[17:55] <leftyfb> Psi-Jack: Can you show me on tha product page where it says it's meant to remove jackets?
[17:56] <Psi-Jack> I can show you on the Irwin product page about it's adjustable stopper that controls the length of the core to strip. If the core happends to be another set of wire jackets, it's still a core.
[17:56] <leftyfb> incorrect
[17:56] <nacelle> why are we getting so punchy about wire strippers?
[17:56] <Psi-Jack> So feisty y ou are this morning. :)
[17:57] <Psi-Jack> haha I know, right, nacelle. ;)
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[17:57] <Psi-Jack> He sounds like a by-the-book finatic. :)
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[17:57] <leftyfb> nacelle: because I don't want others assuming using wire strippers is in any way a proper method to cut the jacket off of ethernet cable. It's not and should not be done
[17:58] <nacelle> proper matters most when you're in a data center
[17:58] <leftyfb> It is not the right tool for the job
[17:58] <nacelle> imo
[17:58] <Psi-Jack> There's many tools in the world. Some are uniquely designed for specific and exact purposes. Other tools are versatile and can be "configured" to do the same jobs other tools are specifically designed for. (with limitations of course)
[17:58] <nacelle> outside of that, most things work pretty good
[17:58] <nacelle> like if someone is comin' round with a reflective frequency tester, you best be ready with the adjustable strippers when you make those cables...
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[18:00] <leftyfb> I'm fine with "I use this all the time and never have a problem". I'm not fine with, "this is the right tool for the job and is made to do what I'm using it for"
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[18:01] <Psi-Jack> Oh, I never said it was the right tool for the job. Just that it works. :)
[18:02] <leftyfb> "Actually, mine /is/ designed to remove jackets."
[18:02] <leftyfb> false
[18:02] <leftyfb> it's designed to remove insulation, not jackets
[18:03] <Psi-Jack> Well, what is the outer sheath of romex wire?
[18:03] <Psi-Jack> :)
[18:03] <leftyfb> insulation
[18:03] <Psi-Jack> What is the outer sheath of a Cat6 cable?
[18:03] <leftyfb> jacket
[18:03] <Psi-Jack> Insultation.
[18:03] <leftyfb> jacket
[18:03] <leftyfb> insulation is on the individual pairs of wires
[18:04] <IT_Sean> that ^. It's a jacket.
[18:04] <swiss> on cat6 it's insulation
[18:04] <swiss> on cat5e it's a jacket
[18:04] <swiss> iirc
[18:04] <IT_Sean> no, it's still a jacket on cat6. The insulation is on the individual wires.
[18:04] <Psi-Jack> swiss: Depends on the Cat5, in that case.
[18:05] <leftyfb> also getting into semantics to try to match your own personal incorrect perception of fact
[18:05] <swiss> Psi-Jack: i thought they made it insulation on cat6 because cat6 is much more suceptible to interference
[18:05] <Psi-Jack> There's insultation from fire, external noise, and outside use.
[18:06] <leftyfb> it's a jacket that also doubles as insulation. But it is a jacket which contains multiple pairs of individually insulated wires
[18:07] <nacelle> what is the goal here? teaching or ego boosting?
[18:07] <swiss> why can't it be both
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[18:08] <leftyfb> nacelle: making sure someone isn't spreading false facts
[18:08] <nacelle> theres probably a better way to go about it
[18:08] <leftyfb> "Actually, mine /is/ designed to remove jackets." that is just plain false
[18:08] <nacelle> calm down a notch
[18:08] <nacelle> you arent going to get your message across so well coming in guns a blazin'
[18:09] <nacelle> see how well it works when someone just TELLS you how IT is?
[18:10] <nacelle> "when i've used a stripper like that in the past, I had big problems using it to remove the jacket on cat5 cables. it tended to damage the insulation on the wires"
[18:10] * plum giggled at "stripper"
[18:10] <plum> i'm 12 inside i think
[18:10] <nacelle> i'm about 8, high fives!
[18:10] <plum> :D
[18:10] <Psi-Jack> I can totally agree that technically, the outer sheath of a Cat5/6 cable is a jacket, and that each wire inside is insulation. That's definitely 100% correct.
[18:11] <nacelle> some people dont have a technical application where the nicking of the copper cable is noticeable
[18:11] <nacelle> most in fact
[18:11] <leftyfb> nacelle: that is fine
[18:11] <leftyfb> YMMV
[18:11] <leftyfb> but that wasn't the argument coming across
[18:11] <leftyfb> "<leftyfb> no, you need a jacket stripper
[18:11] <leftyfb> <Psi-Jack> Which is what this is."
[18:11] <nacelle> its tricky
[18:12] <leftyfb> there's just plain false statements
[18:12] <nacelle> sounds like the discussion had already gotten a bit sour by that point
[18:12] <nacelle> gotten?
[18:12] <leftyfb> nope, not at that point
[18:12] * nacelle needs to wake up
[18:12] <nacelle> oh, but it is :-)
[18:12] <leftyfb> it did further down with more false statements
[18:13] <nacelle> technically correct is the best kind of correct!
[18:13] <nacelle> (sarcasm)
[18:13] <Psi-Jack> If you want to get technical though, even Romex has a jacket, insultation, and individual insulation on each conductor.
[18:13] * IT_Sean flicks a peanut at Psi-Jack
[18:13] <Psi-Jack> heh
[18:14] <Psi-Jack> The /outer/ layer of the romex is the sheath, to protect the insulation underneath. :)
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[18:14] <Psi-Jack> Then the inner layer is insulation, then each wire is insulated individually.
[18:14] <nacelle> why are we overing over specs?
[18:14] <Psi-Jack> LOL
[18:14] <nacelle> look 'em up, show 'em
[18:15] <nacelle> otherwise we're trying to outdo wikipedia and google
[18:15] <nacelle> I know I cant do that.
[18:15] <nacelle> they're way better at remembering things than me
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[18:15] <leftyfb> sure, but we're not talking Romex. There are always outliers. We're talking about using wire strippers on ethernet jackets. It might work for you. It might work for others. But the fact of that matter is, the tool was not designed to do that, not advertised to do that and is not the right tool for the job. If someone were to ask what tool to use, a jacket stripper is the answer. Not wire strippers. You could say wire strippers will get the
[18:15] <leftyfb> job done and you should be fine, but then you would be a maniac :)
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[18:16] <Psi-Jack> http://www.southwire.com/ProductCatalog/XTEInterfaceServlet?contentKey=prodcatsheet6
[18:16] <Psi-Jack> There. :)
[18:17] <nacelle> if you need to use "wire strippers" of the nature that you have to control the depth by squeezing just so or not, they can definitely be used but you have to be really careful. they're not great for more than a couple of cables because your brain is generally wired such that it will get bored with tracking all of the details to be really careful once you start to get going fast or get tired
[18:18] <leftyfb> there what? That does not validate your claims that your wire stripper was designed to be a jacket stripper
[18:18] <Psi-Jack> I'm leaving the argument on the matter. It's a tool that does the job, and so far, in my initial tests, does it reasonably well when used properly. That's that.
[18:18] <leftyfb> that's fine
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[18:18] <leftyfb> i'm fine with that
[18:18] <leftyfb> but to do tell others that the tool was designed for the job is not
[18:18] <Psi-Jack> I never did.
[18:19] <leftyfb> <leftyfb> no, you need a jacket stripper
[18:19] <leftyfb> <Psi-Jack> Which is what this is.
[18:19] <leftyfb> "Psi-Jack> Actually, mine /is/ designed to remove jackets."
[18:19] <Psi-Jack> I was wrong in that statement.
[18:19] <leftyfb> thank you
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[18:20] <Psi-Jack> All good? ;)
[18:20] <leftyfb> yep :)
[18:20] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Good. I was simply just impressed it worked. That's all. I got it to strip wires. Removing jackets off Cat6 is just a bonus. :)
[18:21] <Psi-Jack> I got the rest of my tools in too. Finally have a flush cutter. heh
[18:21] <leftyfb> now what do you use as crimpers? ;)
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[18:21] <Psi-Jack> Depends on the crimping need. :)
[18:22] <leftyfb> a hammer and an ice pick will probably get the job done ;)
[18:22] <Psi-Jack> I have actually never owned an ice pick to testify to that. heh
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[18:23] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm... Xcelite flush cutter. Claims to be U.S.A., but cheap as dirt.
[18:23] <Psi-Jack> It'll do, but I suspect it won't last long. heh
[18:24] <nacelle> I got really good at stripping and making cat5 cables when I had to make them to 100% spec tested by a fluke
[18:24] <nacelle> which does the frequency scanning along the cable, etc.
[18:24] <nacelle> it would measure percentage of loss, distance, etc.
[18:24] <leftyfb> nacelle: ditto
[18:24] <Psi-Jack> Heh yeah. My testing tool for Cat5/6 is a simple TONOR tester, just tests if it can get a signal from one end of each wire to the other, nothing more.
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[18:25] <Psi-Jack> It doesn't test the quality of the signal, just that it reaches both sides to which pins.
[18:25] <nacelle> usually the point of doing cat6 is that its going into an environment where its sensitive to things like copper nicks on a strand
[18:25] <nacelle> otherwise save some coin and go cat5
[18:25] <leftyfb> e
[18:26] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I personally wired my house for all Cat6.
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[18:26] <nacelle> right, cat5e
[18:26] <leftyfb> cat6 is only really necessary if you plan on doing 10G. Otherwire, cat5e does just fine with 1G
[18:26] <nacelle> can you even get cat5 actual anymore?
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[18:26] <leftyfb> Otherwise*
[18:26] <leftyfb> nacelle: yes
[18:27] <leftyfb> they use it for phone lines
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[18:27] <nacelle> ah that makes sense
[18:27] <leftyfb> I'm sure other things as well, but i've seen it in a lot of new phone line installations
[18:27] <nacelle> cat3 was not great at all
[18:27] <leftyfb> I have one of those!
[18:28] <leftyfb> blew my mind when the connection was running at 10Mb
[18:28] <leftyfb> then I looked at the cable
[18:28] <leftyfb> couldn't believe I had one
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[18:29] <leftyfb> Anyway, gotta go start my day. My 2nd day of unemployment. Hopefully my interview yesterday went well so I don't have to spend it looking for jobs I don't want.
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[18:32] <Psi-Jack> Unemployment? That sucks.
[18:33] <nacelle> its not unemployment that sucks so much as that things cost money
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[18:33] <nacelle> imo
[18:33] <Psi-Jack> Gambatene. I always go to interviews with the mindset, if I want it, it's mine.
[18:34] <nacelle> the not working part can be quite enjoyable if you keep yourself busy
[18:34] <irondewbus1> Hello, got some problem with apt-get, can someone help me please? https://pastebin.com/yZ7efX89 and apt-get -f result: https://pastebin.com/e10TxPCN
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[18:37] <nacelle> irondewbus1: I dont know your exact issue, sorry. One thing that sticks out there - "E: Cannot get debconf version. Is debconf installed?"
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[18:38] <nacelle> seems like debconf should be present already, but if not try: apt install debconf;apt-get -f install mplayer
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[18:50] <plum> best of luck leftyfb !
[18:50] <Psi-Jack> I concur! Best of luck.
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[18:55] <gordonDrogon> the pastys are in the oven.
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> leftyfb, I've been self-employed for about 16 years now. Not sure I'd recommend it though.
[18:57] <Psi-Jack> heh
[18:57] <Psi-Jack> I was self employed for a few years, ran my own company for a few others. It can have its definite rough patches.
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[19:17] <nacelle> i'm trying out self employment now
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[19:18] <gordonDrogon> I've moved from geekery into bakery.
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> but I still do some soft/hard ware design for some clients.
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YEdHjGMeho 'moved' ?
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> yes, seen that :)
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[19:20] <gordonDrogon> lost count of the number of hot cross buns I've made this season so-far. only one more oven-load to go, tomorrow morning, I hope!
[19:20] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[19:23] <gordonDrogon> I keep meaning to make some baking videos, but I don't have any clever video kit - my dslr is OK, but no micrphone socket.
[19:23] <Rukus> cell phone!
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> and openshot keeps crashing now, so need to find another video editor that works on linux.
[19:24] <Rukus> :P
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> Rukus, sure - I'll just use blue tack to stick it to the tripod...
[19:24] <Rukus> gordonDrogon: you don't have to be a smart alec...... there are systems you can use to attach one toa tripod
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Smartphone-Tripod-Motorola-Nexus-aluminium/dp/B015HA6KDS
[19:25] <Rukus> https://www.amazon.ca/Upgarded-Version-Octopus-Portable-Adjustable/dp/B00WO65Z6C/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1492190712&sr=1-1&keywords=cell+phone+tripod
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[19:30] <gordonDrogon> Hmm..
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[19:33] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. The solder sucker is kinda. (no really is extremely) cheap, plastic tip and all. but it'll probably work.
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> I bought a new one recently - seems OK. The spring is better than the old (35 year old) one I have been using.
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> I think the tip is some silicone material.
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[19:35] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I just bought this one because it was cheap, seemed to get fair enough reviews. But, yeah, I doubt that platic tip's gonna hold up much to actual desoldering. LOL
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> it might be a hard silicone.
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[19:36] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. It could possibly be..
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> see if you can melt it with the iron..
[19:36] <Psi-Jack> Definitely has a slightly different feel to it. Rather smooth.
[19:37] <Reedy> "well, no chance of returning it now"
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> what's your project?
[19:37] <Psi-Jack> Heh,. lots. Home Automation, Security, and Safety.
[19:38] <Psi-Jack> Combined into one.
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> ok.
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[19:38] <Psi-Jack> And I'll be adding an ipex antenna pot to my RPi3. LOL
[19:39] <Psi-Jack> I was using soldering wick a couple days ago because I botch soldered some headers on two different boards.
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[19:41] <Psi-Jack> Couldn't figure out how to get it to work for a while, then with someone's advice on IRC, here or the electronics channel, I finally got it. But the notion of adding solder to remove solder just didn't sit with me well, or touching a heating copper braided wire heh
[19:41] <Viper168> the plastic tip suckers I had worked pretty well
[19:41] <Apocx> there are a lot of cheap chinese solder suckers made of plastic, and they will melt.
[19:41] <Viper168> the nozzle melted only very sightly
[19:41] <Viper168> seemed kind of like ptfe
[19:41] <Viper168> the slick feel of it
[19:41] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
[19:42] <Psi-Jack> So, definitely wouldnt last 35 years, and getting replacement tips would be like basically buying a new thing
[19:42] <Viper168> I prefer braids
[19:42] <Viper168> works a lot easier
[19:42] <Apocx> I've never had any luck with solder suckers. maybe if you have like globs of solder on something, but then why do you have huge globs of solder on it in the first place :P
[19:42] <Viper168> never had to add solder
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[19:42] <Viper168> you can work the mesh open a little to get it sucking better sometimes
[19:42] <Psi-Jack> Viper168: I had solder stuck up in the hole, had to add solder to get it to catch the braid.
[19:43] <Viper168> that is stretching it wide
[19:44] <Psi-Jack> I gots oooone more delivery today. UPS actually came before the mailman, then the mailman, just waiting on FedEx, which usually beats them all.
[19:44] <Psi-Jack> My wires... heh
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> I guess it's what you're used to - I always used a sucker, but only relatively recently have started to use solder wick.
[19:44] <Psi-Jack> gordonDrogon: Yes, exactly.
[19:45] <Psi-Jack> I used to use a really good sucker when I was much younger
[19:45] <Viper168> I started with a sucker but couldn't find it and had to go cheap which the braid was cheaper
[19:45] <Psi-Jack> Was actually on an air pump, so it had constant intake. :)
[19:45] <Viper168> so got that, there are a few instances a sucker is actually best
[19:45] <Viper168> but not many
[19:47] <Viper168> is just too hard to get a decent enough seal without being too much, suckers work in certain ideal circumstances like slurping it out of a hole
[19:47] <Viper168> without anything else around it
[19:48] <Viper168> if things aren't so clean and open on the board it can lead to repeated heating and sucking
[19:48] <Viper168> which can damage the board or components
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> cut the IC out of the socket, suck the stubs out and put a new one in ...
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> *cut the IC out of the board..
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> unless it's reeeeelllllyyyyy precious :)
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> easier to replace the component than the board - or patch up a lifted pad )-:
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[19:58] <Psi-Jack> Heh, reminds me I should test my two components I fubarred to make sure they actually do still work, but I think they will.
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[20:26] <Psi-Jack> Huh,wel,l that's kind of interesting.
[20:27] <Psi-Jack> The JST and Dupont packs I got included the female pins for inserting into the plug connector, but also included male pins.. But I'm not really sure as to.. Why.
[20:27] <Psi-Jack> All the connectors themselves already have the pins in them, ready for mounting and connecting. heh
[20:27] <Psi-Jack> Well, specifically for the JSTs.
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[20:28] <BurtyB> dupont housings I have accept male or female
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[20:29] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, the dupont I understand. The JSTs I don't.
[20:29] <Psi-Jack> And seems like the dupont kit I got completely failed to supply the 1p connectors.
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[20:43] <Psi-Jack> We'll see how they fix this.. If they do.
[20:46] <Psi-Jack> The JST's though, yeah, it even has that in the description to include the male pin connectors. Wierd.. heh
[20:46] <Psi-Jack> Well, not complaining there. I can use them for breadboard crimps. LOL
[20:47] <Psi-Jack> I don't see actually using these in the JST connectors themselves, that just seems silly. LOL
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[20:52] <Psi-Jack> Annnd, FedEx is here with my wire. :D
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[21:46] <Psi-Jack> Welp, you were right. Doesn't melt the sucker tip.
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[22:05] <brainzap> petzup: try this https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/wireless-cli.md
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[22:41] <kerio> can you hotplug the pi camera?
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[22:55] <gordonDrogon> kerio, I doubt it - and even if you can, it's a really fiddly connector ...
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[23:25] <svideo> Psi-Jack i think i must have bought that same package
[23:25] <svideo> and had the same reaction
[23:25] <svideo> wtf are these even for?
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[23:28] <gordonDrogon> what the family friendly please ...
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[23:30] <plum> are most arduino sensor kits compatible with raspberry pis?
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> some are - check the voltages. they may be 5v only.
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is 3.3v
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> also the Pi doesn't have on-board ADC hardware.
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[23:32] <plum> ADC?
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> analog to digital converter.
[23:32] <plum> ooooh gotcha
[23:32] <plum> that would be difficult
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> there are many that work OK on the Pi.
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> a lot will depends on the software you're using to read the sensors - and if there is a driver from the ADC you use (if needed)
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[23:35] <plum> awesome, thank you! :D
[23:36] <plum> also does anyone happen to know an inexpensive wifi adapter chipset i should look for that will plug in and work immediately with a raspberry pi, no drivers?
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> the foundation recommended wi-fi dongle "just works".
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> most usb dongles will just work these days though.
[23:37] <plum> dang, the official one is like $15 though
[23:37] <plum> but it's pretty, i like that :P
[23:38] <plum> i was thinking of getting like 5 to stock up since they're really handy to have extra
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[23:42] <Psi-Jack> Oh? The Pi doesn't have ADC?
[23:42] <Psi-Jack> I did not know that. Interesting.
[23:43] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, I guess that makes sense as to why there's no A# pins. heh
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[23:51] <Psi-Jack> But, for roughly $3.75, you can easily add 8 ADC channels of 10-bit analog inputs with something like an MCP3008
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