#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2017-04-16

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:01] <Xeon3D> does the same raspbian image on the raspberry foundation site work for all rpi versions?
[0:01] <ali1234> yes
[0:02] <Xeon3D> nice.
[0:03] <Xeon3D> I might have an older version stashed somewhere...
[0:03] <Xeon3D> the lowest the internet speed the greater capacity of hdds you should have :D
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[1:34] <mfa298> Xeon3D: I'd probably use the lite version on a Pi1 and work from the commandline. You'll probably find running a gui and particularly any recent browser a bit clunky on the limited cpu and ram
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[1:40] <mrkramps> an bit clunky? ^^
[1:42] <mfa298> slow and unresponsive
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[2:09] <Xeon3D> mfa298: that's what I was thinking
[2:09] <Xeon3D> sadly my rpi3 cases haven't arrived yet :/
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[3:30] <zombieJesus> meh
[3:30] <zombieJesus> my retropi is about as stable as Charles Manson
[3:31] * ShorTie wonders how he is powering it .. :/~
[3:31] <zombieJesus> USB
[3:31] <ShorTie> from pc ??
[3:31] <zombieJesus> no, from power block
[3:32] <zombieJesus> I did something wrong I think maybe
[3:32] <mrkramps> no enough power i'd guess
[3:32] <ShorTie> does your cable have 24awg printed on it ??
[3:33] <zombieJesus> it has to be power related I think
[3:33] <zombieJesus> it happens when I plug in a USB stick
[3:33] <zombieJesus> boom, insta reboot
[3:33] <mrkramps> it is power related then
[3:33] <ShorTie> you can't beet those 5.25v@3amp supplies
[3:34] <zombieJesus> I'll copy the roms off usb and into /home/pi/retropi
[3:35] <ShorTie> it will help, but will not solve problem
[3:36] <mrkramps> which power block? model?
[3:37] <ShorTie> get 1 of these, http://www.ebay.com/itm/15-75W-5-25V-3A-AC-Adapter-Power-Charger-For-HP-Chromebook-11-2001tu-11-2081no-/152093436447?hash=item236979aa1f:g:Jl4AAOSw4GVYQPEF
[3:37] <zombieJesus> it's from an LG phone
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[3:42] <zombieJesus> does anyone know if I have to unzip the roms?
[3:43] <zombieJesus> I'm getting just stuff from coolrom.com
[3:43] <mrkramps> pretty much depends on the emulator
[3:43] <zombieJesus> ah, ok.
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[4:00] <Smeef> Are there any interesting Pi projects I can build with an old T-Mobile cellular hotspot?
[4:01] <Smeef> Scrapping it for parts and what not
[4:01] <zombieJesus> hmm
[4:01] <Smeef> It has a tiny led display
[4:01] <zombieJesus> you could build a robot that uses the cellular hotspot to post pictures
[4:03] <dtype> a little security camera controller that posts pics on some event trigger over cellular
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[4:04] <zombieJesus> cellular hotspot relays are kind of interesting.
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[4:04] <zombieJesus> I'm working on a mobile robot with an arm
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[4:37] <tlvb> Decoding that a 0w is probably my best for a project, should i succeed i will want a few of them, do you just place several separate orders at one and the same store?
[4:38] <tlvb> (with several separate skipping fees, ugh)
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[4:55] <dtype> tlvb: if you're in the US, it looks like they are starting to show up on Amazon, but gouging with expensive kits
[4:55] <dtype> availability will improve
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[7:42] <thereyougo> what is the most powerful RPi model ? the one with 2GB ram and 4 cores ?
[7:42] <IanTLopp> there are none with 2gb
[7:42] <IanTLopp> but the raspi 3 B is the currently most powerful model
[7:42] <thereyougo> 1GB ?
[7:42] <IanTLopp> yes, 1gb
[7:43] <IanTLopp> there was an april fool's joke about the raspi 4, which had 2 GB, and other BS features.
[7:43] <thereyougo> why can't they make something with more RAM ? even average home PC now has 8GB of RAM
[7:43] <IanTLopp> $35
[7:44] <thereyougo> RAM is cheap nowadays
[7:44] <IanTLopp> the raspberry pi isn't an average pc... it's one of the least expensive project board/computers on the market
[7:44] <IanTLopp> not cheap enough
[7:44] <nevodka> size and price constraints
[7:44] <IanTLopp> $35 for everything that's on the Raspi 3 is INCREDIBLY good deal.
[7:44] <nevodka> look at odroid or other sbc's
[7:44] <nevodka> they are more expensive and have 2gb ram
[7:45] <thereyougo> or its very important to keep RPi's price about $35 ? isn't the main point of havin RPi is having it eat less power ? I mean if you make model say with 8GB it will not eat more power is it ?
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[7:45] <IanTLopp> he could get one of the atom boards if he wants something "better" than a raspi for more money
[7:45] <thereyougo> how much do you think would it add to price if you make it with 8GB of ram ? $100 ?
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[7:46] <nevodka> your assumptions are incorrect
[7:46] <IanTLopp> thereyougo: I can only speak as an innocent bystander here, but I'm pretty sure the price is a fairly major factor with regards to the raspi setup... if you want something more there are a LOT of other options out there, but the raspi isn't designed with super power in mind.
[7:47] <binaryhermit> another thing is the SoC only supports 1 GB of RAM
[7:48] <nevodka> the "main point" is an affordable computing device imo
[7:48] <thereyougo> what is the closest alterntive with say 4GB RAM and 4 CPU cores and small price ? odroid ?
[7:48] <nevodka> its not just a computer stripped of peripherals
[7:48] <thereyougo> alternative
[7:48] <IanTLopp> thereyougo: the biggest problem with most alternatives is the lack of support
[7:48] <IanTLopp> your best bet is probably one of the atom units.
[7:49] <IanTLopp> BUT, if you don't mind french, the bananapi's have some interesting options.
[7:49] <nevodka> thereyougo https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1098/4826/files/comparisonupdate.png?13077955502273113275
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[7:50] <nevodka> i searched "single board computer comparison"
[7:50] <nevodka> if you want to see other references
[7:50] <IanTLopp> nevodka: of course that's not going to list the atom alternatives
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[7:51] <IanTLopp> thereyougo: another thought for you. what are you doing that makes you think you need more ram?
[7:52] <IanTLopp> not saying there's not a reason, but a lot of the time we just want bigger/better/whatever without realizing that if we streamline our ideas, we can have a better experience with a lower cost/more supported solution.
[7:53] <IanTLopp> nevodka: almost forgot about the orange pi's... heh.
[7:54] <nevodka> http://www.mouser.com/Embedded-Solutions/Computing/Single-Board-Computers/_/N-aez3t
[7:55] <IanTLopp> nevodka: thanks for the first link though - actually does a good job of showing me the raspi's hardware features
[7:56] <nevodka> thereyougo http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Intel/BLKDE3815TYBE/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMspCjQQiuQ1fKIj5YA0%2foW844yYzjlikesJ7JD3RpT67g%3d%3d
[7:57] <nevodka> this has 8gb ram
[7:59] <nevodka> yeah, its a good chart
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[8:00] <binaryhermit> but it only has 1 core
[8:00] <binaryhermit> https://ark.intel.com/products/78476/Intel-Atom-Processor-E3815-512K-Cache-1_46-GHz
[8:03] <thereyougo> so they made 4 cores on RPi and it didn't increased its price ? I mean previous model had 2 cores and 512MB RAM
[8:04] <binaryhermit> no, it had 4 and 1 GB
[8:05] <thereyougo> because, for some reason people want more cores but not more RAM ? and if increasing number of cores made it more expensive we would still have 2 cores RPi ?
[8:05] <binaryhermit> theere was no 2 core rpi
[8:06] <thereyougo> very first ones ?
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[8:07] <binaryhermit> those only had 1 core
[8:07] <thereyougo> so they get from 1 core to 4 ? and from 512MB to 1GB ?
[8:07] <binaryhermit> yeah
[8:07] <thereyougo> keeping the price ?
[8:08] <thereyougo> same
[8:08] <binaryhermit> yeah
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[8:12] <binaryhermit> IIRC the very first ones released had 256 mb of ram
[8:13] <binaryhermit> and the model A was initially supposed to have 128 MB but they bumped it prior to release?
[8:19] <nevodka> thereyougo, hardware becomes cheaper over time
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[8:26] <sware> Does anyone here have experience with mmal? I have YUV data I want to pass into a component for conversion but I'm not sure how to fill the buffer with yuv because it's separated by y/u/v.
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[8:30] <thereyougo> what people use RPi for most of the time ?
[8:30] <thereyougo> cluster computing with python ? file servers ? web server ?
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[8:32] <CoJaBo> Mine just gets used mostly as a media player lol
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[8:39] <nevodka> thereyougo, why would it have to be with python?
[8:39] <IanTLopp> thereyougo: depends upon the user - there are TONS of different things you can do with PI, but I'd assume that a HUGE number of people run retropie or other similar projects.
[8:40] <IanTLopp> thereyougo: cluster computing is a very niche market, and unless you're learning cluster computing, VERY LITTLE to be done with a pi in that field, other than maybe bitcoin mining (though I could be wrong)
[8:42] <nevodka> its not worth the electricity to use a CPU for bitcoin mining, nor a GPU nowadays
[8:42] <nevodka> people use ASICs and such
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[8:44] <IanTLopp> nevodka: oh, I know, but it's amusing to do it... I'm looking at building a rackmounted pi cluster for that purpose - just because.
[8:44] <IanTLopp> eventually I *may* buy a proper asic, but, meh.
[8:44] <IanTLopp> I don't need to hire a hitman, or buy drugs without the government knowing where the money is coming from or going to.
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[8:44] <nevodka> lol
[8:45] <nevodka> i bought 7 btc in early 2013 for $100
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[8:45] <nevodka> but used them immediately
[8:45] <nevodka> :[
[8:48] <nevodka> thereyougo, i use mine as an alternative to a desktop
[8:48] <nevodka> and i dont play video games anymore
[8:48] <IanTLopp> of course, IF I powered said raspi cluster with, say, solar power, it *could* be a net gain :)
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[8:48] <IanTLopp> nevodka: you heathen! why hast thou foresaken the Great Gaben?
[8:48] <nevodka> so i run daily scripts, run web servers, etc
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[8:49] <nevodka> believe me they took enough of my hours already
[8:49] <nevodka> no longer interested
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[8:51] <IanTLopp> so you have no more hobbies? no more fun?
[8:52] <IanTLopp> (j/king of course)
[8:52] <NedScott> thereyougo: I have 72 raspberry pi's dedicated to sensing changes in weather and using that in a highly advanced random number generator formula to auto generate dirty penis jokes on twitter
[8:53] <amigojapan> hi, so the only way to use controllers in RPI is using retropi? cant I use them under raspbian? I have an Xbox360 controller with USB adapter and a normal USB controller
[8:53] <nevodka> nobody says growing up is fun IanTLopp :-]
[8:53] <IanTLopp> NedScott: DAMN IT... halfway through I was thinking you were for real - thought maybe you had some advanced prediction algorithm you were working on... yeeesh
[8:53] <NedScott> :D
[8:53] <IanTLopp> nevodka: I'm 39, and i still have fun!
[8:53] <IanTLopp> amigojapan: sure you can :)
[8:53] <nevodka> its not fun for everyone :p
[8:54] <IanTLopp> amigojapan: it's just a driver issue - as long as the OS you're running has the proper drivers for Xbox 360 controllers, they should work fine.
[8:54] <IanTLopp> what are you trying to do that retropie won't work with?
[8:54] <amigojapan> IanTLopp: but raspbian does nto seem to have them with preinstalled settings
[8:55] <nevodka> so what? install it
[8:55] <amigojapan> IanTLopp: no, I dont want to use retropi I want to use raspbian
[8:55] <drjam> mmmm raspifun...soon to be released distro haha
[8:55] <amigojapan> nevodka: what is the name of the backage of hte drivers?
[8:55] <amigojapan> package*
[8:55] <IanTLopp> amigojapan: not saying it's bad to do so, but what do you want to do in raspbian with the controller?
[8:55] <nevodka> do you not have google
[8:56] <amigojapan> IanTLopp: emulation, I already have the emulator running, but it wotn recognize my controllers
[8:56] <NedScott> I thought RetroPie was just an installation script on top of Raspbian
[8:56] <nevodka> https://packages.debian.org/jessie/utils/xboxdrv
[8:57] <amigojapan> ty nevodka
[8:57] <NedScott> I think you can install the RetroPie installation script and tell it to only install controller support, and not any emulators
[8:57] <NedScott> just as a way to make it easy
[8:57] <NedScott> I also recall there being a driver for the 360 controller that will emulate keyboard input, so that it works in anything
[8:58] <IanTLopp> NedScott: mostly - but now it has its own entire package (which is retropie preinstalled on top of raspbian)
[8:58] <IanTLopp> amigojapan: again, not saying you're doing anything wrong, but why not use retropie for emulation as opposed to a separate emulator on raspbian?
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[8:59] <amigojapan> IanTLopp: I butilt the pi-tab (the raspberry pi and touchscreen, and it is hard to change the SD card once in this configuration
[9:00] <IanTLopp> amigojapan: ahh, okay - valid reasons.
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[9:01] <IanTLopp> as a consideration, unless you have other reasons for wanting a full raspbian install, it *might* be preferable to run retropie and worth it for the extra work involved.
[9:01] <IanTLopp> but that is entirely up to you :)
[9:03] <amigojapan> IanTLopp: if I had easya ccess to the SD card, I would use retropi
[9:05] <IanTLopp> amigojapan: OH, you have to tear the device apart?
[9:05] <NedScott> why not both?
[9:05] <amigojapan> IanTLopp: yup
[9:06] <NedScott> I'm doing a full Raspbian install + RetroPie for a portable game thing I'm trying to build. I can easily switch between Emulation Station, CLI, and the Raspbian desktop
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[9:07] <amigojapan> NedScott: ok, I just dont undertsand how ot do it
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[9:07] <NedScott> install Raspbian and set it up however you want. Then install RetroPie using the install script
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[9:07] <amigojapan> NedScott: whis is the install script?
[9:08] <NedScott> https://github.com/retropie/retropie-setup/wiki/Manual-Installation
[9:08] <amigojapan> ty
[9:08] <NedScott> you just have to log out, but no reboot needed
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[9:10] <amigojapan> I see NedScott , ty
[9:10] <NedScott> just don't feed it after midnight
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[9:16] <IanTLopp> !@#$%... I think I *SOMEHOW* fried my Raspberry Pi Zero W
[9:16] <NedScott> did you look at it funny or touch yourself at night?
[9:17] <IanTLopp> yesterday I had it plugged in, and was trying to connect to it, but it wouldn't seemingly boot to a point I could connect to it via ssh
[9:17] <NedScott> those are listed right in the warrantee
[9:17] <IanTLopp> so I unplugged it, and messed with a file or two, then plugged it back in. Did this several times.
[9:17] <drjam> could be the SD card is dead
[9:17] <drjam> happens
[9:17] <IanTLopp> but now after reinstalling OctoPi, the plugging in the raspi, no light comes on, AT ALL
[9:18] <IanTLopp> just put a different SD card in - still no light on the unit.
[9:18] <IanTLopp> if I have NO sd card in it, and plug it in, will I normally get a green light on it at all?
[9:19] <drjam> it will power on but nothing will come on screen without a working card....thats correct
[9:20] <IanTLopp> but an LED light on the board will come on, correct?
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[9:21] <drjam> i think just the red one, the green is for Activity
[9:21] <IanTLopp> no lights come on at all with no SD or anything else attached.
[9:21] <IanTLopp> when I plug in the usb power in, nothing happens on the board at all :(
[9:21] <IanTLopp> so, dead unit.
[9:22] <IanTLopp> err... dead unit?
[9:23] <IanTLopp> anything else I can do to test the unit?
[9:24] <IanTLopp> I'll have to see if I have a minihdmi to hdmi cable or connector.
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[9:28] <NedScott> IanTLopp: with a bad SD card no LED lights will come on
[9:28] <NedScott> bad or no SD card
[9:28] <NedScott> from what I just tested
[9:28] <NedScott> unless both my Pi Zeros just died
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[9:32] <IanTLopp> well I put the original SD card back into it, and plugged it in. no lights
[9:33] <IanTLopp> found a minihdmi to hdmi cable and plugged the pi zero/sd card combo in and still no lights, BUT the system comes on, and boots to the octopi login: prompt
[9:33] <IanTLopp> still no lights, but it does come on.
[9:33] <IanTLopp> it never connects to wifi though, for some odd reason
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[9:33] <drjam> ah ou said y ou unplugged it several times.....was that the actual USBmicro charging port?
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[9:33] <drjam> cause apparently they canb be broken
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[9:33] <drjam> by a lot of plugging and un-plugging
[9:34] <IanTLopp> yes, the actual usb micro charging port.
[9:34] <IanTLopp> didn't know it'd be that easy to blow the light... GRRR.
[9:34] <IanTLopp> still though.. not sure why it won't connect to wifi :(
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[9:55] <mfa298> IanTLopp: I think there's been an issue with some os builds where the activity light doesn't work properly
[9:57] <IanTLopp> I *think* it might be an issue with octopi...
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[10:12] <thereyougo> by the way when you just boot raspbian without running anything how much free rum there is ? if say first thing you run is a "top" how much it shows used and free RAM ?
[10:14] <IanTLopp> thereyougo: depends upon what you have it boot into. I don't have figures, but there will be differences between booting directly to the cli, vs. booting into X
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[10:20] <thereyougo> booting to the cli
[10:21] <mfa298> my original Pi1b that's been up a while and might have some other stuff running only shows 43mb used.
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[10:24] <tommy``> where i can paste code with yello highliting of some lines?
[10:25] <thereyougo> is it possible to boot raspbian in qemu ? I run "qemu-system-arm -machine help" and it shows: "raspi2 Raspberry Pi 2", is it some generic type for any Raspberry Pi ?
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[10:45] <IanTLopp> okay, the light's back on
[10:46] <IanTLopp> apparently octopi 0.13 was giving me issues considering it doesn't properly support the zero W... it would boot without the light working, but wifi wouldn't work. I'd still get the octopi login: prompt. Now with a nightly that supports the zero w things seem to be working better.
[10:46] <NedScott> this seems like a very odd product since it lacks charging functionality: https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-zero-board/rpi-zero-breakout-boards/pimoroni-zero-lipo
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[10:54] <IanTLopp> it's strictly for converting the standard 3.7v that most lipo batteries provide, to the 5v that your raspi begs for.
[10:55] <IanTLopp> and looks like it has some enhanced power management features...
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[10:55] <NedScott> aye, but it would makes sense to offer a version with charging functionalities. A user can either solder something on, or unplug the battery back and forth
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[10:59] <IanTLopp> not arguing with you there - but maybe they have some reason... dunno
[11:00] <IanTLopp> personally I use a different product (well, own - haven't used it yet) https://www.adafruit.com/product/2465
[11:01] <IanTLopp> personally I need some way to power my raspberry pi 3 with a battery... all the powerboosts, and pimoroni lipo chargers, etc, all end up being for older devices.. NOTHING provides the 2.5A that the pi 3 wants.
[11:01] <NedScott> yeah, I'm facing the same issue
[11:01] <NedScott> lots of stuff that are great for a zero or a Pi 1
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[11:01] <IanTLopp> I just bought a 10,000mah battery that only provides 2.4.. I'm going to remove the case and see what electronics limit that 2.4
[11:01] <NedScott> I'm thinking that a small USB charging battery, taking one of those apart, might be my best shot
[11:01] <IanTLopp> what's your project?
[11:01] <NedScott> haha
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[11:01] <IanTLopp> that's what I've got.
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[11:02] <IanTLopp> except it's anything but small
[11:02] <NedScott> yet another portable gameboy thing
[11:02] <NedScott> that I will not use, but will enjoy making
[11:02] <NedScott> haha
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[11:02] <IanTLopp> at a draw of 2.5amps I'm likely to get only 4 hours on this 10,000 mah battery
[11:03] <IanTLopp> anything less than 10,000 seems pointless, unless you're trying to emulate the nomad and it's infamous 30 minute battery
[11:04] <NedScott> you ever see the ODROID-W?
[11:05] <NedScott> the only true clone of a Pi, using the same Broadcom SoC (until Broadcom stopped selling them more chips)
[11:05] <NedScott> had a built-in lipo circuit
[11:05] <NedScott> it came out before the B+ did http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=g140610189490
[11:06] <NedScott> so it doesn't have the 40 pin connector, but still a neat little guy
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[11:07] <nacelle> i wouldnt worry about .1 amp on a pi3
[11:07] <nacelle> i've run my pi3 on a 2amp supply for over a year without issues until I start to plug in a lot of usb things
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> IanTLopp, the 2.5A is only needed with everything going flat-out and the USB+GPIO taking 1.2 amps too.
[11:08] <nacelle> (like a keyboard + usb game controller + hdmi monitor + ps3 controller == too much)
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> so you can take 1.2A off what's needed if not using usb or taking power off the gpio.
[11:08] <IanTLopp> gordonDrogon: except no... not really, because if I plug a 2.4amp charger into the pi3, when it turns on, I get a little yellow lightning icon in the top right and EVERYTHING is slowed down.
[11:09] <IanTLopp> can't even play snes games without major lag
[11:09] <mfa298> depending on what's plugged into the Pi, you might not need the 2.4A, the SoC itself is around 1.3A max
[11:09] <nacelle> IanTLopp: even with a 5v/3a supply you will see the lightning on boot time
[11:09] <IanTLopp> that is, of course, specifically running retropie.. perhaps other things wont' have that.
[11:09] <gordonDrogon> IanTLopp, that means it's not able to actually provide 5v at 1amp. mesure it. you have a somewhat sub-optimal PSU.
[11:09] <IanTLopp> nacelle: no... I have a 2.5a charger and the pi 3 boots up without the lightning icon, and nothing is slow.
[11:10] <mfa298> IanTLopp: also that 10Ah is probably the cell capacity (so at 3.7V, it'll be less at the 5v used by the Pi and you'll lose some in the boost circuit)
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> you have a box that says 2.5A on it.
[11:10] <nacelle> IanTLopp: nice
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> most of the cheap ones lie.
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> this is something we've learned over the 5+ years of Pi use )-:
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> some of the expensive ones lie too )-:
[11:11] <IanTLopp> gordonDrogon: this is an official raspi charger, and I also have a nonofficial raspi charger that are both at 2.5, both have the SAME function and provide the required powered to the pi 3... EVERY charger I have for every tablet, and every phone I've tried on the pi 3 all give the yellow lightning icon and slow down in SNES.
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> this is why the foundation and a few others produced their own PSUs in the end.
[11:11] <IanTLopp> so... ACTUAL pi charger, or other device providing a real 2.5a means I get a functional pi3
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> ok. are you sure it's not faulty?
[11:11] <IanTLopp> what, the pi3?
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> either.
[11:11] <IanTLopp> considering it runs flawlessly on the official PSU, then yes, I know it's not faulty
[11:11] <IanTLopp> also, my other pi 3 has the same issues.
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[11:12] <IanTLopp> more specifically, on any 2.4a or lesser charger, it boots up, gets yellow lightning, and snes is slow... running on either of my two 2.5a chargers (official and non-official) I get no yellow lightning and fast snes.
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> slowdowns are due to thermal throttling - I'm not aware of slowdowns due to low voltage, however it may be a new feature I'm not aware of. the lightning bolt thing is low voltage.
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> you can get a v3 to thermally throttle just with the ARM alone - although you need to run all 4 cores (in my tests anyway).
[11:14] <mfa298> if you've got a really poor psu I think the pi will try to go into 1.2ghz mode, go undervolt and return to the slower clock speed - I found that when I first got the Pi3 and tried to run it with an original (1A) rpi psu
[11:14] <NedScott> I still need more than 1 amp because of the little GPIO LCD screen
[11:15] <NedScott> neat screen, though
[11:15] <nacelle> is there a recommended 3+ amp supply?
[11:15] <nacelle> (or anyone have said recommendation, rather?)
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[11:15] <gordonDrogon> gpio power bypasses the 1.2A limiter for USB.
[11:15] <NedScott> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/UGEEK-Raspberry-Pi-3-5-inch-800-480-TFT-Screen-HD-HighSpeed-LCD-Module-3-5/1954241_32672157641.html
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> can you power the screen indepedndant of the Pi?
[11:15] <NedScott> yes
[11:15] <IanTLopp> gordonDrogon: I could be mistaken on this level, but I *think* I tested with and without heatsinks... more specifically, I started the unit without heatsinks and had issues, and then after I installed the heatsinks, still had issues... it wasn't until I added the proper amperage that things went faster.... BUT I could be mistaken in that - I only ever tested thoroughly for amperage... I'll test to see if slowdowns occur with
[11:15] <IanTLopp> the yellow icon on a 2.4a device.
[11:16] <NedScott> but having two batteries wouldn't make much sense here
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[11:16] <NedScott> it's a GPU accelerated screen using the GPIO
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> no (2 batteries), however - if you took power from the power source (battery, mains, etc.) directly to the screen, it would bypass the on-board 2.5A limiter on the Piv3.
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> so one power source - Y splitter, one leg going to the Pi, one going directly to the display.
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[11:18] <NedScott> but if the battery only provides 1 amp of power then it still wouldn't work, right?
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> not if the display needs 1A..
[11:19] <NedScott> display + Pi 3
[11:20] <IanTLopp> I just need to figure out what is limiting the power output of my battery pack.. I'll rip it apart and start studying the pcb
[11:20] <IanTLopp> later.
[11:21] <nacelle> ah so a 3a is basically useless, nice
[11:21] <nacelle> (or underdriven, etc.)
[11:21] <IanTLopp> right now, i'm stoked because my disconnected raspberry pi zero w works with octopi now - just need to connect it to the printer tomorrow and start upgrading the printer with aluminum parts, replacement pieces, etc... then finally recalibrate everything and I'll have a working beast :)
[11:22] <IanTLopp> nacelle: not necessarily - something that is designed to run at 2.5 will be taxed more than something running at 3.0, though to be fair the constant drain is generally much less than 2.5
[11:22] <IanTLopp> though if you have a big screen and the raspi 3 running, the 3.0 would be better
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> just be aware that the Pi has a 2.5A polyfuse on the USB power input.
[11:23] <IanTLopp> gordonDrogon: hmm... so that might be reason enough to have separate power to the screen then.
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[11:23] <IanTLopp> especially given my 5" screen coming in, and it's total lack of raspi connectivity (well it has VGA input)
[11:24] <NedScott> have you seen those cheap 5inch HDMI screens on ebay?
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> IanTLopp, that's why I'm suggesting a splitter....
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> the foundation 7" screen can power the Pi via the GPIO connector.
[11:25] <IanTLopp> gordonDrogon: thanks for the info - I hadn't even considered the implications (though I was expecting to use a splitter anyway - or rather a pcb with multiple power outputs for the purposes)
[11:25] <NedScott> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-inch-Resistive-Touch-Screen-LCD-Display-HDMI-for-Raspberry-Pi-XPT2046-SX-/162465547063
[11:25] <IanTLopp> ahh, that piece of crap
[11:25] <IanTLopp> heh.
[11:25] <NedScott> if you peel off the touch layer then the screen is pretty night
[11:25] <NedScott> err, nice
[11:25] <IanTLopp> sorry, I'm sure it's a fine piece of tech.
[11:25] <NedScott> nah, it's also crap :D
[11:25] <IanTLopp> it's just wide screen
[11:25] <NedScott> I bought two and broke them both
[11:25] <IanTLopp> ahh, didn't know.
[11:25] <IanTLopp> yeesh
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> that looks like the adafruit 5" one - which I have and works fairly well.
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[11:26] <IanTLopp> well i can't use wide screen, so fmeh.
[11:26] <NedScott> but it does the job as long as you're not trying to hack at the PCB with a dremel...
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[11:27] <NedScott> though to make things slimmer I've decided to go with a 5 inch LCD and the Pi "kippah" from adafruit
[11:27] <IanTLopp> NedScott: perhaps... I need to figure out who can make screens to MY specs, rather than just rattle off what they have... I thought alibaba might be the place to go for that, but it's just a weird parts store located mostly in china (I know what it is, I'm just comparing it to what it seems like)
[11:28] <NedScott> aye
[11:28] <IanTLopp> OH BAD PUN
[11:28] <NedScott> haha
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[11:28] <IanTLopp> seriously? kippah?
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[11:28] <NedScott> I actually bought a kippah when I found out I was going bald
[11:28] <IanTLopp> was there some reason they couldn't go with pihat?
[11:28] <NedScott> not jewish, but it covers the bald spot perfectly
[11:29] <NedScott> technically a Pi hat connects in a specific way
[11:29] <IanTLopp> just read the difference - hats have eeproms, this one does not.
[11:30] <IanTLopp> I'll keep that in mind for other projects, like my ScummPI
[11:30] <NedScott> I've been trying to cram it all into a gameboy DSi XL case, and I'm starting to think I should just make my own with a 3D printer
[11:30] <NedScott> every mm counts
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> To use the 'HAT' name you need the on-board eeprom and follow the foundation specification.
[11:30] <IanTLopp> at any rate, I gotta get to bed..
[11:31] <IanTLopp> gordonDrogon: thanks for the clarification :)
[11:31] <IanTLopp> at any rate... night all.
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> so anything without the eeprom isn't a HAT - at least not officially.
[11:31] <NedScott> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ohzp159v08a5c73/we_must_go_smaller.jpg?dl=0
[11:31] <NedScott> it's like a horror film
[11:31] <NedScott> I just hacked away at it
[11:31] <IanTLopp> NedScott: well I'm trying to find a 1.8" screen running at 320x240... THAT small enough?
[11:31] <NedScott> hehe
[11:32] <IanTLopp> raspi 3 with everything desoldered?
[11:32] <IanTLopp> or... cut off?? ouch
[11:32] <NedScott> ripped up pads on the PCB when I tore off the camera connector
[11:32] <IanTLopp> I'm planning to desolder everything
[11:32] <NedScott> I started doing that and then got really bored
[11:32] <IanTLopp> yeah, I'll be desoldering...
[11:32] <IanTLopp> *rolls eyes*
[11:32] <IanTLopp> do NOT let Ben Heck hear you say that.
[11:32] <NedScott> it works perfectly, still
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[11:33] <NedScott> at first I was going to keep the two lower USB ports. I don't have a picture of it anymore, but shopping off the top half of the USB ports works out really well
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> 1.8" at that resolutions? tricky ..
[11:33] <IanTLopp> I'm putting a raspi zero inside http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3349/1529/1600/vee-em-you.jpg and turning it into a 16-bit emulation console.
[11:33] <NedScott> nice
[11:34] <IanTLopp> gordonDrogon: tricky to buy... i can find plenty of tech with that screen, but nobody sells JUST the screen... ergh.
[11:34] <IanTLopp> it's mostly in older "mp4 players"
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> ok
[11:34] <IanTLopp> even touch screen no less... but I can't find the screen with or without a controller board.
[11:34] <NedScott> I had a tiny CRT that size once. Well, about that size
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> plenty of 2.8" displays designed to fit over the old Pi size.
[11:34] <NedScott> came out of the viewfinder of an old camcorder
[11:35] <NedScott> I wish I still had it. It was awesome and worked with a composite video signal and ran off of a few AA batteries
[11:35] <IanTLopp> the "best" 1.8" screen I can find is the adafruit one, but there IS a 1.8" screen with a slightly higher resolution than the adafruit unit... I'll have to look again, but I'm not interested until I get the 320x240
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[11:37] <NedScott> the other fun thing I want to do with Pis and small screens, is make an offline TV
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> I already have one of those - it's called a mobile phone ;-)
[11:38] <NedScott> 3D print a tiny "TV" enclosure, like an old 50's style CRT, then load in Kodi and the pseudo TV add-on and a bunch of tv show video files
[11:38] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> for additional realism
[11:39] <NedScott> the Pseudo TV add-on looks at all of the videos and presents them like TV channels, complete with an EPG grid. Like you can tune to a channel and it will be in the middle of the episode, according to the time
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> add a lense in front of it to give it curvature
[11:39] <NedScott> haha, yes
[11:39] <NedScott> even add in some GPIO buttons for chan up/down
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[11:40] <IanTLopp> I want to gut one of these (the tube itself), install a reverse side projector screen, then a projector on the inside. Run a computer through it, and somehow put some kind of filter on the video output to have it fit the shape of that screen exactly.
[11:41] <IanTLopp> NedScott: NOO... you gotta have dials for UHF and VHF! 2-13-U, then 14-69!
[11:41] <NedScott> ah, even better
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[11:41] <NedScott> that would be tricky at that size, but probably possible
[11:41] <HrdwrBoB> or
[11:41] <HrdwrBoB> just find an old TV
[11:41] <HrdwrBoB> hijack the buttons
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> although that's becoming much harder these days
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> I was in a hungry jacks yesterday (burger king) and they had a CRT TV in the party room
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> I felt like I was in a time warp
[11:44] <IanTLopp> anyways... nite alll
[11:44] <IanTLopp> sleepy and no spell correcty
[11:46] <NedScott> oh, I mean a tiny TV
[11:46] <NedScott> like, not to real scale
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[12:28] <NedScott> oh wait, here's that picture: https://www.dropbox.com/s/k9kvsdaquv7dhp9/Pi_2_hair_cut.jpg?dl=0
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[13:15] <hackal> Hi is there a limit on how many GPIO pins can you use at the same time?
[13:16] <Sonny_Jim> Not really
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[13:20] <gordonDrogon> hackal, there is a limit on the total current draw/sink, but that's easy to work around.
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> not recommended, but: http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
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[13:26] <hackal> Thank you. I just realized that I am using I2C so the number of pins is irrelevant plus I am using under 10 sensors so I should be fine.
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[15:22] <Milca> hello everyone
[15:23] <Milca> any config.txt guru around ?
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[15:27] <BurtyB> calling all mind readers...
[15:27] <leftyfb> Milca: are you taking a survey?
[15:27] <HrdwrBoB> Milca: ask your actual question.
[15:29] <Milca> sorry I have a little 8months mogwai crawling around so i'm not really fast
[15:29] <Milca> so
[15:29] <Milca> I have a rpi with the 7 touchscreen
[15:29] <Milca> worksfine
[15:29] <Milca> but I'd like it to display on hdmi output when hdmi is plugged in
[15:29] <Milca> at lease before boot
[15:30] <Milca> (i mean if I plug it in before booting)
[15:30] <Milca> do you think that's manageable ?
[15:30] <leftyfb> Milca: AFAIK, you cannot use HDMI when a DSI display is plugged in
[15:31] <Milca> F**
[15:31] <Milca> *
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[15:31] <Milca> is there a particular reason ?
[15:31] <leftyfb> I don't know
[15:31] <Milca> ok
[15:31] <Milca> because sound can go through hdmi and even remote control
[15:32] <Milca> only display is on DSI only
[15:32] <Milca> I don't like that :'(
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[15:34] <leftyfb> Milca: https://www.element14.com/community/thread/49012/l/how-to-run-hdmi-and-official-raspberry-pi-display-dsi-simultaneously?displayFullThread=true
[15:34] <leftyfb> Milca: first result on googlel
[15:34] <leftyfb> google*
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[15:36] <Milca> ok leftyfb fair enough
[15:37] <Milca> maybe I have a tricked version of google which doesn't give me the right answer O:)
[15:37] <Milca> no kidding I really looked for an answer
[15:37] <leftyfb> Milca: I searched for "raspberry pi dsi hdmi"
[15:38] <Milca> first i didn't know dsi
[15:39] <Milca> and technicaly I don't want it to work simultaneously
[15:39] <Milca> just with priority on hdmi
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[15:41] <Milca> but thks leftyfb
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[15:41] <Milca> most poeple want it simultaneous but I just want on HDMI if its plugged other way on dsi
[15:41] <Milca> I'm gonna look around a little more
[15:43] <brainzap> maybe an usb adapter could help
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[15:46] <Milca> what kind of usb adapter ?
[15:47] <Milca> usb 2 hdmi ? brainzap
[15:47] <brainzap> or audio, what you need
[15:49] <leftyfb> I don't see how usb comes into play here at all
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[15:52] <hgsfn> hi are there any information about how the broadcom wifi chip's power up sequence is controlled in in raspberry pi 3 model B, would like to know if they are controlled purely by hardware or controlled by gpio pins? Especillay would like to know how WIFI_REG_ON is handled
[15:52] <Chillum> gpio pins are hardware
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[15:55] <Milca> leftyfb:
[15:55] <Milca> oups
[15:55] <Milca> leftyfb: I found a "solution"
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[15:56] <leftyfb> Milca: oh?
[15:56] <Milca> ok I maybe found 2 solutions just checking
[15:56] <Milca> it's quite dumb
[15:56] <ball> Milca: Computers are dumb.
[15:56] <ball> Such is their nature.
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[15:57] <hgsfn> ok thanks, so all timiing requirements of 3V followed by WIFI_REG_ON is handled in hardware?
[15:58] <Milca> leftyfb: in fact as you said you can't have both
[15:58] <Milca> the proble is how to have only hdmi => just add ignore_lcd in config.txt
[15:59] <Milca> apparently there is a solution to do the modification of config.txt if you use PINN
[15:59] <hgsfn> iam trying to interface BCM4339 thru SD1 and I am seeing following dmesg "error -110 whilst initialising SDIO card", as I am new to drivers so need guidence on debuggin the issue
[15:59] <Milca> and ultimate solution leftyfb => I just unplugged the hdmi ....
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[16:02] <hgsfn> Chillum: suspected power up sequence, as I initate bootup sequence(3v3 & wifi_reg_on) in the shell after boot up
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[16:03] <Chillum> that is beyond my knowledge
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[16:06] <hgsfn> Chillium: Ok, are there schematics showing how wifi & soc are interface, I couldnt find it anywhere
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[16:08] <Chillum> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/RPI-3B-V1_2-SCHEMATIC-REDUCED.pdf
[16:08] <Chillum> pi 3 schematics
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[16:08] <Chillum> well, reduced schematics
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[16:10] <Chillum> not very useful actually, missing all the good bits
[16:11] <hgsfn> Chillium: yep so all those details are closed?
[16:11] <Chillum> looks like they are sitting on the full schematics. I am sure someone has figured it out though
[16:12] <Chillum> I _think_ I remember something about the internal hardware serial being attached to the BT in the transceiver
[16:12] <hgsfn> have posted the issue in the forum https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=179673
[16:12] <hgsfn> waiting for any useful tip to resolve the issue
[16:14] <hgsfn> Chillium: yes BT makes use of UART & WIFI thru SDIO
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[16:17] <Chillum> wish I was more helpful in this matter. I have not done a lot of work looking into the pi 3
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[17:06] <l33n> samy ?
[17:09] <ball> Mornin'
[17:10] <l33n> anyone used poisontap?
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[17:17] <stephenm> Hi, wanted to ask but does anyone know if it's possible to get the full version of minecraft on the Pi 2? Also wanted to know about chatrooms that a kid can go to, to also get up?
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[17:24] <leftyfb> stephenm: https://www.cnet.com/how-to/get-the-full-version-of-minecraft-running-on-raspberry-pi/
[17:24] <leftyfb> stephenm: first result on google
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[17:25] <stephenm> thank you
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[18:31] <Budd> How can I measure house current with a Raspberry Pi? I'm failing to find either Hall effect sensors or clamp ammeters that look easy to interface.
[18:32] <Habbie> Budd, find a cheap second hand current cost and just read out the serial
[18:32] <Habbie> Budd, bonus, you get a display to put somewhere
[18:34] <Budd> I hadn't heard of Current Cost before - looking it up.
[18:36] <Habbie> a bit roundabout perhaps, but i know it works
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[18:37] <Budd> They're not too geek-oriented, and it's hard to see how their setup works - does the sensor have a serial out, or does it have to boucne (wireless?) to the control box first?
[18:37] <Habbie> the sensor goes wireless to the display box
[18:37] <Habbie> the serial port is on the display box
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[18:38] <Budd> Probably too much to hope their wireless standard is open...
[18:38] <Habbie> geek oriented part here http://www.currentcost.com/cc128/xml.htm
[18:39] <Habbie> Budd, https://tech.sid3windr.be/2017/03/getting-your-currentcost-433mhz-data-into-openhab-using-an-rtl-sdr-dongle-and-mqtt/
[18:39] <Habbie> Budd, there is code out there
[18:39] <Budd> Awfully nice of them to ofer a documented data out - not too many companies encourage hacking like that.
[18:39] <Habbie> indeed
[18:40] <Habbie> as the blog post notes, you can buy a suitable usb receiver for 5 bucks
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> currentcost actually (at one point, unsure of now) had bare PCBs for sale on ebay to do interesting stuff.
[18:40] <Habbie> and then your pi does not need to be close to the display box
[18:41] <Habbie> SpeedEvil, oh, that's cute
[18:41] <Habbie> so definitely geek oriented
[18:41] <SpeedEvil> Seemingly not now
[18:41] <Budd> I found an affortable switchable power strip from sparkfun recently, but other 110V-safe interfaces are a little hard to come by.
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> sonoff and friends
[18:42] <Budd> (but switchable power strip + 1-wire thermometer = climate-controlled seedlings :)
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> wifi, esp8266 in a box
[18:42] <Habbie> yes sonoff is super cute
[18:42] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[18:43] <Psi-Jack> Sonoff is neat, but as-is isn't really "safe", unless you nicely hide the box somewhere humans can't simply touch it. And the lack of ground wire support is just silly.
[18:43] <Budd> thanks for all the leads - this shoudl keep me happy for a while.
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[18:46] <Chillum> it is not too hard to attach a 1-wire sensor to a sonoff relay
[18:46] <Habbie> Chillum, it has one or two free gpio pins, right
[18:47] <Chillum> I think so
[18:47] <Chillum> and you can also re-purpose the LED or button gpio
[18:47] <Habbie> right
[18:47] <Chillum> I replaced the button on one of mine with a light sensor
[18:47] <Chillum> for auto-lighting
[18:47] <Habbie> just directly, no code in between?
[18:48] <Chillum> I set it up with a divider
[18:48] <Habbie> to get the right level
[18:48] <Chillum> adjusted the pot until the GPIO logic levels fit what I needed
[18:48] <Habbie> oh still gpio
[18:48] <Habbie> so then code
[18:48] <Habbie> that decides
[18:49] <Chillum> I was not able to find the analog in pin hehe
[18:49] <Habbie> i bet sonoff doesn't happen to expose the ADC?
[18:49] <Habbie> right
[18:49] <Chillum> I also replaced the 1mb flash with a 4mb flash
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[18:51] <Habbie> fun
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[18:56] <hmoney> WELCOME TO YOUR LIFE
[18:58] <Psi-Jack> Ugh... Such a PITA to get a PIR working without flapping.
[18:58] <Psi-Jack> But, at least now I put in some logic to "calibrate" it without blocking everything else during that time.
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[19:47] <Psi-Jack> Sheash...
[19:47] <Psi-Jack> I've put some logic on my PIR sensor to keep it locked LOW for 5 seconds after it reaches LOW from HIGH state. And it still flaps 1-3 times after motion. heh
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[19:49] <Psi-Jack> 10~12 seconds of HIGH state, 5 seconds locked low, promptly after that, it goes HIGH 1~3 times for 2~3 seconds each.
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[20:03] <strixUK> so, how much would a metal case affect v3's built-in wifi?
[20:03] <CoJaBo> Presumably, a lot
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[20:03] <strixUK> CoJaBo: especially since i wanted it for RF containment, that was my expectation.
[20:04] <strixUK> oh well, i guess i shan't bother.
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[20:04] <strixUK> (i've never had reason to get a pi before, but i want to put an SDR in the loft, and minimising RF noise up there would make sense in that case)
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[20:05] <CoJaBo> strixUK: You can always do a metal case and add on USB wifi :P
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[20:05] <strixUK> yeah.. i suppose that would be better than nothing
[20:05] <strixUK> CoJaBo: are there any architecture diagrams for v3? i've been looking but haven't found anything particularly helpful
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[20:06] <strixUK> AIUI, with v2 at least, the ethernet MAC was attached via USB
[20:06] <CoJaBo> what kind of diagram?
[20:06] <strixUK> how peripherals are attached
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[20:06] <CoJaBo> I've heard the wifi is attached via SDIO
[20:06] <mrkramps> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/README.md
[20:06] <CoJaBo> Supposedly the same with the pi w, which is awesome if true
[20:07] <strixUK> i had a brief gander at that, but didn't see the wifi device on it. it's only one page of the schematic.
[20:07] <strixUK> mainly showing connectors
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[20:10] <strixUK> i've still got some contacts at the CL so maybe someone there knows definitively how wifi attaches
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[20:20] <ball> strixUK: What is the "CL"?
[20:21] <strixUK> computer lab, where a lot (most?) of the pi's development was done
[20:21] <strixUK> @ cambridge
[20:21] <nacelle> its on sdio
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[20:21] <Habbie> strixUK, ethernet is on USB on all models, as far as i am aware
[20:22] <nacelle> pi3 wifi isnt over usb
[20:22] <nacelle> its on sdio
[20:22] <Habbie> wifi is sdio, yes
[20:22] <Habbie> i meant cabled ethernet
[20:23] <CoJaBo> I don't think I've ever used the tetehnet on a pi lol
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[20:24] <strixUK> yeah, AIUI, the Foundation is basically made up of CL faculty members. I recognise most of those names from the lab.
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[20:25] <strixUK> nacelle, Habbie- thanks for confirming that. that's useful to know because a question mark was raised over bandwidth considerations in conjunction with SDR dongles
[20:25] <strixUK> if network is also USB, that would mean that 40 Mb/s @ 2.4 MS/s is going both ways on the one USB 2 root port.
[20:25] <binaryplease> HI, I just saw this: https://getchip.com/pages/pocketchip and thought I could build my own with a raspi. Are there any good thumb keyboards for the raspi? Possible with enclosure?
[20:26] <Habbie> strixUK, yes - can't you decode on the pi?
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[20:27] <strixUK> Habbie: good question, i've only just ordered the SDR and I don't have a pi yet. i assumed that it'd be simpler to do DSP on a desktop computer assuming the IQ stream could be fed via wireless, and that it'd be easier to bridge the IQ stream via the pi than do processing onboard
[20:27] <nacelle> strixUK: wifi isn, ethernet is, so going over wifi wouldnt have that problem
[20:27] <strixUK> but v3 is quad core, so... maybe it has enough power to do everything locally?
[20:28] <Habbie> strixUK, what are you decoding?
[20:28] <strixUK> well, if i get my way, i'd like to have two SDRs, one doing AM and the other doing ADS-B
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[20:29] <Habbie> ADS-B should be no problem for a pi
[20:29] <strixUK> you'd think that AM wouldn't require much in the way of processing. no idea what ADS-B looks like at that level.
[20:29] <strixUK> i wouldn't have thought so. it's just data, and not much of it
[20:29] <Habbie> sites like flightradar are mostly fed from Pis is my impression
[20:29] <Habbie> and have been so for years
[20:29] <Habbie> they even provide a pi image
[20:30] <strixUK> but i have zero idea of what a pi's capabilities are, so i'm making no assumptions. i only recall that ssh into a pi was.. a bit painful. but that would have been an earlier model pi, i think.
[20:30] <Habbie> it's gotten a lot better, yes
[20:30] <Habbie> and there is no crypto in ADS-B
[20:30] <strixUK> i should hope not. if there were, looking at it would be naughty.
[20:31] <Habbie> indeed
[20:31] <Habbie> but there isn't, i'm pretty sure
[20:31] <strixUK> no, i'm pretty sure (nearly certain) that ADS-B is not encrypted.
[20:31] <Habbie> uhuh
[20:31] <Habbie> so what are you doing on AM?
[20:31] <Habbie> listening to radio?
[20:31] <strixUK> ADS-B might give you a hint ;)
[20:31] <strixUK> yes
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[20:31] <Habbie> should also be fine
[20:32] <Habbie> and given that i think dump1900 is not threaded, you'll have three cores left
[20:33] <strixUK> i assume AM decoding would also be single threaded. why would you need more? the IQ stream is virtually PCM as it is (just missing rectification)
[20:33] <BurtyB> my piaware pi3 is 90% idle on the cpu side (load avg 0.23) and most of that is dump1090
[20:33] <strixUK> and maybe a bit of scaling
[20:33] <Habbie> BurtyB, good to know
[20:34] <strixUK> BurtyB: excellent news
[20:34] <strixUK> so maybe i can do everything i want directly on the pi and just stream the audio
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[20:35] <strixUK> given how cheap SDRs are, i wonder if it would be pushing it to put three or even four SDRs on the pi...
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[20:41] <strixUK> going back to wifi, if it's SDIO, does that mean it's shared with access to the SD card? i guess no big deal if so
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[20:42] <Habbie> strixUK, i believe it's a second SD channel, but don't take my word for it
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[20:45] <strixUK> tech data on pi 3 and the BCM2837 is scant, so it's hard to tell. i can't see why the BCM2837 would have more than one set of SDIO pins. but anything's possible, i guess.
[20:46] <Habbie> well i also don't see how it could be shared
[20:46] <Habbie> as i recall it, that's not how SD/SDIO works
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[20:48] <strixUK> I'm not familiar with SDIO (I2C and RS485 etc yes, but not SDIO), but I can imagine that it might have support for multiple targets (Hi-Z mode)
[20:48] <BurtyB> from my testing with 2 SD cards throughput was shared between them, I don't know if it's any different when used as SDIO vs SD
[20:48] <Habbie> BurtyB, how did you connect two SD cards?
[20:48] <BurtyB> Habbie, I made a hat that uses the second interface
[20:48] <Habbie> ah
[20:48] <Habbie> nice
[20:49] <Habbie> so there are two interfaces
[20:49] <CoJaBo> where are the pins for it tho?
[20:49] <BurtyB> Habbie, yeah
[20:50] <BurtyB> http://dist.8086.net/misc/mmc-hat.jpg is what I made and https://pinout.xyz/pinout/sdio shows the pins it needs
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[20:51] <strixUK> BurtyB: nice
[20:51] <CoJaBo> second link does not load :/
[20:51] <strixUK> try again, it worked for me
[20:52] <CoJaBo> still down :/
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[21:00] <strixUK> CoJaBo: weird. routing problem, maybe?
[21:01] <RoBo_V> is there way to run android emulator on rpi3 raspbian ?
[21:01] <CoJaBo> strixUK: apperently. Can't even get to it from IA tho, which is odd.
[21:01] <strixUK> RoBo_V: thats.. an interesting combination...
[21:02] <RoBo_V> yes it will be.
[21:02] <RoBo_V> Though as i am reading standlone is possible.
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[21:02] <mrkramps> yeah, there are android port for rpi
[21:03] <mrkramps> was better than emulation
[21:03] <mrkramps> --was ++way
[21:03] <RoBo_V> But I'm looking for intermediate sort of thing.
[21:04] <RoBo_V> Can I use that ported android to run command line things ?
[21:04] <mrkramps> depends
[21:05] <mrkramps> android has a shell and terminal emulators are available
[21:05] <RoBo_V> I think i need to grap one rpi and test.
[21:05] <mrkramps> testing is always a good idea ;)
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[21:06] <RoBo_V> or is there any way to emulate rasapbery pi 3 on PC ?
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[21:06] <RoBo_V> or testing on physical device is good
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[21:08] <mrkramps> afaik there is no specific emulator for rpi
[21:08] <RoBo_V> Emulating rpi3 on pc to test emulation of android on it. seems complicated haha!
[21:08] <mrkramps> there might be some ARM emulators though
[21:09] <mrkramps> the android emulator actually is basically an ARM emulator
[21:09] <mrkramps> why it is pretty stupid to run it on ARM hardware =D
[21:10] <strixUK> am i right in thinking that i shouldn't expect to be able to install a stock linux on a pi and then go from there, and that unless i'm a masochist of the first order, the only real option is to choose from one of the pre-assembled OS images and go from there?
[21:10] <strixUK> if i'm used to ubuntu, any recommendations about which OS image to choose?
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[21:10] <mrkramps> ubunt mate has ha pi edition
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[21:10] <Habbie> if you're used to ubuntu, raspbian will serve you fine
[21:10] <mrkramps> but as ubuntu and raspbian are both debian based
[21:11] <mrkramps> what Habbie says ;)
[21:11] <Habbie> on PC, you can use qemu (hard) or docker (easy but somewhat limited)
[21:11] <Habbie> depends on your needs
[21:11] <strixUK> good-oh, thanks. okay, now i get the name. portmanteau.
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[21:11] <Habbie> strixUK, right, yes :)
[21:12] <mrkramps> but it is not impossible to install stock distributions on a pi
[21:12] <mrkramps> just some feature might not be working
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[21:13] <strixUK> mrkramps: sounds like too much trouble.
[21:13] <mrkramps> oh hell, my typing is terrible today
[21:13] <mrkramps> strixUK, it's all about tinkering ;)
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[21:14] <strixUK> mrkramps: yes, but i would like to choose what i spend my time tinkering with, since i have so precious little of it these days
[21:15] <strixUK> today, i've completely "wasted" on SDR and such but heck, it's easter sunday
[21:15] <strixUK> (and ordered an SDR which i probably shouldn't have done since it will only provide further distractions in a week's time)
[21:17] * ball would like an SDR, RX at least.
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[21:22] <ball> ...I would love to try WSPR on it.
[21:25] <strixUK> ball- entry-level SDRs are cheap enough.. $25 or so
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[21:27] <strixUK> ball- ah well, tx... i guess i'm chicken, but then i'm not licensed.
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[21:28] <ball> $25 I could scrape together.
[21:29] <strixUK> this is the unit i just ordeerd: http://www.nooelec.com/store/sdr/sdr-receivers/nesdr-smart.html
[21:29] <strixUK> i can't vouch for it yet, haven't got it yet
[21:30] <ball> Understood.
[21:31] <strixUK> but, it looks promising: a metal case is a good start, they've taken some trouble over heat dissipation, it's got a nice TXCO in it and it has a higher performance tuner than most SDRs of that class (R820T2 vs R820T)
[21:31] <strixUK> also, the 3 kit antennae they provide apparently aren't completely useless.
[21:31] <strixUK> (according to others)
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[21:33] <strixUK> ball- but if you're a licensed ham, this would be more up your street, if you can afford it http://www.nooelec.com/store/sdr/sdr-receivers/hackrf-one.html
[21:33] <strixUK> (it does tx)
[21:33] <strixUK> (where the $25 jobbie I just mentioned is rx only)
[21:33] <ball> I've heard a couple of podcasts about hackrf.
[21:33] <ball> RX-only is fine for now, even though I'm licensed.
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[21:35] <strixUK> looks like nice kit. but not licensed ;)
[21:36] <strixUK> though i suppose that that isn't a problem so long as i never fsck up. It could be interesting to have a look the 2-6 GHz region. but not enough to spend the extra.
[21:37] <Habbie> strixUK, we don't use fsck in that meaning in this channel
[21:37] <strixUK> (and the frequencies i'm interested in are all in the VHF region + 1090 MHz)
[21:37] <strixUK> Habbie: my apologies
[21:37] <Habbie> strixUK, your apologies are accepted!
[21:37] <strixUK> :)
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[21:38] <ball> What's at 1.09 GHz?
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[21:40] <strixUK> ADS-B
[21:40] <strixUK> (aircraft transponder data)
[21:40] <ball> Never heard of it.
[21:40] <ball> Ah oh.
[21:41] <Habbie> 1.9 GHz, right?
[21:41] <strixUK> no, 1.09
[21:41] <ball> I would ask my mother about that but she predates all that stuff ;-)
[21:41] <ball> In her day you were lucky to have RDF, let alone RADAR
[21:41] <Habbie> oh it's dump1090
[21:41] <Habbie> nobody corrected my error earlier ;)
[21:41] <Habbie> withdrawn!
[21:42] <Habbie> 1.9ghz is mobile phone stuff of course
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[21:42] <ball> I recently bought a phone capable of GSM at 1900. Sadly it didn't work on my carrier so it's a paperweight.
[21:42] <Habbie> ball, it's 1900 only?
[21:42] <ball> Habbie: Quad-band
[21:43] <Habbie> oh, why paperweight then?
[21:43] <ball> Habbie: It doesn't work on my network.
[21:43] <Psi-Jack> Why?
[21:43] <Habbie> surprising with four bands supported
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[21:44] <ball> Psi-Jack: Best guess, the networks are moving to voice over LTE.
[21:44] <Psi-Jack> That has nothing to do with much.
[21:44] <ball> Psi-Jack: It does if they won't register a GSM-only device.
[21:44] <Psi-Jack> LTE = data.
[21:45] <GekkePrutser> Can you not lie about it?
[21:45] <Psi-Jack> heh
[21:45] <GekkePrutser> Just say it is 3g
[21:45] <ball> GekkePrutser: The network won't register it. It's not a question of persuading a human.
[21:45] <Psi-Jack> Now, CDMA vs GSM, that's important.
[21:46] * ball nods
[21:46] <Psi-Jack> But, 2G, 3G, 4G, LTE, that has nothing to do with much.
[21:46] <GekkePrutser> Ah OK it must know the imei or something
[21:46] <ball> Psi-Jack: Depends on the network.
[21:46] <Psi-Jack> Sorta, yes.
[21:46] <GekkePrutser> GSM is still going strong here in Europe.
[21:46] <GekkePrutser> Most carriers still sell 2G only devices
[21:47] <ball> GekkePrutser: Right. I might take it with me when I go home, test it with a prepaid SIM.
[21:47] <ball> ...leave my smartphone at home.
[21:47] <Psi-Jack> What network, ball?
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[21:48] <ball> Psi-Jack: Metro PCS, a reseller of T-Mobile's network.
[21:48] <Psi-Jack> Oh, well, that's why. Metro PCS. If you went directly to T-Mo, it would work just fine.
[21:48] <ball> (Metro PCS is part of T-Mobile, iirc)
[21:48] <ball> Psi-Jack: You think it would work with a T-Mobile SIM?
[21:49] <ball> Might be interesting to test but I don't really need three mobile phones.
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[21:50] <Habbie> GekkePrutser, 2G only? i kind of doubt that
[21:50] <Habbie> GekkePrutser, because all of them want to turn off 2G as soon as they can
[21:51] <GekkePrutser> Yeah they do. Basic Nokias etc.
[21:51] <Habbie> url? :)
[21:53] <GekkePrutser> https://store.meteor.ie/phones/pay-as-you-go-phones/alcatel-204
[21:53] <GekkePrutser> Almost every network has a few non-feature phones
[21:54] <ball> "non-feature phones" are smartphones ;-)
[21:54] <ball> "feature phones" are non-smart phones.
[21:54] <ball> (typically)
[21:54] <Habbie> feature phone is such a great marketing term
[21:55] <GekkePrutser> I use a lot of 2G modems in IoT roles and they still work on every network I tried
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[21:56] <GekkePrutser> Though I mostly use tesco mobile which is on Hutchison three
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[21:57] <ball> Is Orange still around?
[21:57] <Habbie> ball, at least in belgium, yes
[21:57] <GekkePrutser> Not here in Ireland but they never were
[21:57] <Habbie> GekkePrutser, from your name i assumed different networks ;)
[21:58] <Psi-Jack> ball: I /know/ it would.
[21:58] <GekkePrutser> Oh yes I live in Ireland. I visit NL sometimes but I'm not sure what they sell there
[21:58] <Psi-Jack> ball: The difference is MetroPCS policies vs T-Mobile policies.
[21:58] <Habbie> GekkePrutser, NL is 3G country - tele2.nl is 4G only and for a while they only sold non-simonly contracts to make sure people wouldn't use 3G phones too much on their network
[21:58] <ball> Thanks Psi-Jack
[21:59] <Habbie> GekkePrutser, because their 3G is outsourced to tmobile
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[21:59] <Habbie> GekkePrutser, and their 2G, of course
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[21:59] <GekkePrutser> But there's still kpn, Vodafone and tmobile right?
[22:00] <GekkePrutser> There were when I left
[22:00] <GekkePrutser> But you're right I have no idea what they do with 2G
[22:00] <Habbie> yes, those are the existing 2/3/4G networks, plus tele2 with just 4G
[22:00] <Habbie> and all of them want to kill 2G
[22:00] <Habbie> because the spectrum is so much more valuable at higher bit rates
[22:00] <Psi-Jack> Heh, my wife is in Japan & Okinawa now, enjoying the benefits of having LTE overseas with unlimited data. :)
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[22:01] <GekkePrutser> But 3 and 4g use more bandwidth. The modulation is a bit more efficient but not that much
[22:01] <Habbie> not more bandwidth per bit, right
[22:02] <GekkePrutser> But I suppose they want the better coverage of the lower bands
[22:02] <ball> I pay UKP 28/month for "all you can eat", with up to 1GB of LTE.
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[22:02] <ball> ...after that it throttles down to 3G but I don't hit that.
[22:03] <Psi-Jack> Anyone ever worked with a PIR sensor much to get some kind of reasonable detection algorithm going for them?
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[22:04] <ball> Psi-Jack: Are you sensing people or walls?
[22:04] <Psi-Jack> I've got mine kinda working, but it tends to flap high/low several times after a detection event, which is annoying.
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[22:04] <Psi-Jack> ball: People, preferably. heh
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[22:06] <Psi-Jack> So far, I just integrated another conditional logic that essentially tests for consistent high state motion for > 6s, because most results when it's flapping is 2-4sec.
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[22:09] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. I think I may try working with that concept, filtering out short high states.
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[22:24] <Psi-Jack> Yep.. Filtering out 5125 milisec seems to be a pretty magical number. Sitting in front of the PIR, it sensing me, but only confirms movement if I really am actually moving and not just sitting still moving just a tiny little bit.
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[22:27] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.. But then it still misses positives. :/
[22:27] <Psi-Jack> Or, at least, delays them..
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[22:29] <mrkramps> Psi-Jack, i guess filtering will pretty much depend on the PIR's deployment
[22:29] <mrkramps> in terms of sensitivity
[22:30] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I might have to test on an actual wall placement, to really get the idea down.
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[22:31] <mrkramps> with no filtering at all every little movement (wind, insects etc.) will trigger the sensor
[22:31] <Psi-Jack> I moved the sensor further away, closer against the wall, still on my desk though, and it seems to be doing slightly better, many 3s hits, higher sensitivity setting.
[22:31] <mrkramps> that could be annoying ;)
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[22:35] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, well, so far, it's getting better positives. But it's constantly blipping 2-3s hits (which I'm filtering out), but they /never/ end it seems. LOL
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[22:36] <Psi-Jack> Just wierd how it can be in high state, and blip low all the time. heh
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[22:48] <Psi-Jack> Well, so far so good. :)
[22:49] <Psi-Jack> Definitely confirming all movements... so far. Pondering if I should alter the lowLock a little in case it re-fires in a very low period of time.
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[22:53] <doomlord> what intel cpiu is the rpi3 cpu aproximately equal to?
[22:53] <Psi-Jack> None
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[23:04] <sware> anone know how to fix broken pipe errors with rsync in linux to the pi?
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[23:05] <Psi-Jack> Sure, find out what part of the pipe is failing.
[23:05] <shauno> usually when you see 'broken pipe' in rsync, it's the last item in a longer error, and the least interesting part. Usually "what went wrong" is at the start of the error, and 'broken pipe' is merely a symptom (it just means the process ended before the job was done)
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[23:07] <sware> it gives me multiple errors
[23:07] <Ellied> doomlord: maybe some old Atom for common functions. But it's really apples to oranges.
[23:07] <sware> rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at io.c(820) [sender=3.1.1], rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(226) [sender=3.1.1], rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(226) [sender=3.1.1]
[23:08] <sware> 3 different codes in 3 different tries....
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[23:09] <Psi-Jack> Network problem?
[23:09] <Psi-Jack> Or disk problem.
[23:09] <sware> not sure. Doing this from an ubuntu vm and it has worked before no problem.
[23:10] <sware> last time it was fixed by setting the serveraliveinterval in etc/ssh/ssh_config but it doesn't seem to work now
[23:10] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, that wouldn't/
[23:11] <Psi-Jack> LIke I said, it's easily either a network communication issue, or disk I/O issue.
[23:11] <sware> okay well there's no problem with disk i/o and it does work once every 10 times or so
[23:12] <Psi-Jack> How are you verifying there is no problem with the disk and/or disk i/o?
[23:13] <sware> why would there be when any other operation works?
[23:13] <Psi-Jack> So, you haven't. Assuming.
[23:15] <d0rm0us3> This channel for E-Mechs ;)
[23:16] <ball> sware: Does scp work?
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[23:17] <alexandre9099> hi, my raid 0 storage suddenly became read only and i get this on dmesg "EXT4-fs error (device md0p1): __ext4_get_inode_loc:4072: inode #1576106: block 6291690: comm chmod: unable to read itable block" is this a bad sign?
[23:18] <ball> alexandre9099: Probably.
[23:19] <ball> alexandre9099: You have it backed up though, right?
[23:20] <alexandre9099> :/ what if i reboot? isnt there any way to umount the raid 0? like kill what is using it and umount
[23:20] <alexandre9099> no, that was where the backups were
[23:22] * alexandre9099 knows that a raid 0 is not a good option to keep backups but for some reason he did it anyway
[23:22] <ball> Well that's unfortunate.
[23:22] <brainzap> hahaha
[23:23] <alexandre9099> i needed space :D
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[23:37] <alexandre9099> i'm back, had to restart the RPi (which is where my IRC bouncer is :) )
[23:37] <alexandre9099> it seems like the storage is back
[23:37] <ball> That's fortunate.
[23:37] <alexandre9099> but i got this three lines :/ [ 307.710459] EXT4-fs (md0p1): error count since last fsck: 44
[23:37] <alexandre9099> [ 307.710480] EXT4-fs (md0p1): initial error at time 1492375209: ext4_journal_check_start:56
[23:37] <alexandre9099> [ 307.710494] EXT4-fs (md0p1): last error at time 1492377814: ext4_put_super:808: inode 1576435: block 6291711
[23:37] <Psi-Jack> That means that an open file was locked open, retaining the file desciptor.
[23:37] <ball> If you have any files on your raid0 that aren't elsewhere, I would back them up onto something more sane.
[23:38] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, oh, different issue. :)
[23:38] <alexandre9099> ball: well, i use that raid 0 storage to backup my computer data, so unless my main computer dies it is also on my main computer
[23:38] <Psi-Jack> alexandre9099: Hmm, RAID 0 is definitely not backup...
[23:39] <ball> alexandre9099: Have you heard of the 3-2-1 rule of backups?
[23:39] <alexandre9099> yea, i know ... but i had two pendrives one with 64GB and another with 32GB and i wanted to use them both for backups :D
[23:39] <alexandre9099> ball: nope
[23:40] <Psi-Jack> .... pendrives.....
[23:40] <ball> alexandre9099: Essentially it suggests having three backups of any important data, on at least two different media and one of them should be off-site.
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[23:40] <Psi-Jack> It would be easier to just cut your own feet off. ;)
[23:41] <alexandre9099> well, that is unthinkable for me :/ i dont have that much money, also my information is not that important, besides that i dont want to get my info into the "cloud" so i use my Rpi as a backup device :D
[23:41] <alexandre9099> Psi-Jack: yea, also know that, no money for HDD or SSD
[23:41] <ball> alexandre9099: It's something to be aware of, perhaps for the future.
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[23:43] <alexandre9099> :)
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[23:44] <alexandre9099> well, thanks, i really need to change to another kind of storage device in the future, but no money for now :/
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[23:45] <ball> alexandre9099: I can relate. I'm saving up for a faster microSDHC card for my Pi.
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[23:45] <alexandre9099> two pendrive stoped working from a moment to another in my hand so i know what i'm dealing with :D
[23:45] <alexandre9099> ball: :)
[23:46] <alexandre9099> well, going AFK thanks for the help :)
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[23:54] <strixUK> alexandre9099: re money for backup space, there's always S3. it's really not at all expensive as storage goes.
[23:54] <strixUK> and S3 does support encryption, IIRC
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[23:55] <strixUK> (and besides, probably your data aren't that interesting to amazon employee who could access it and if it were, you would/should not be discussing the matter here.)
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