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IRC Log for 2017-04-18

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[0:00] <rafa_> thanks!
[0:00] <mrkramps> well, raspbian lite is of course also an option, but i assumed you've been looking for something different?
[0:01] <rafa_> actually yes
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[0:02] <redrabbit> what's wrong with it
[0:02] <redrabbit> you can also build your own image with the tools they use to make it
[0:03] <rafa_> that sounds cool too
[0:04] <redrabbit> imo its lite enough as it is, i just change a couple things with a tool i made to edit the images https://designdesk.org/linux/autorpi-image-maker
[0:04] <ali1234> mrkramps: do you know much about picore?
[0:05] <ali1234> can i pick your brains?
[0:05] <mrkramps> i know a bit
[0:05] <rafa_> nothin
[0:05] <mrkramps> ali1234, just ask and we'll see ;)
[0:05] <ali1234> it is possible to bootstrap a custom image?
[0:05] <redrabbit> https://github.com/RPi-Distro/pi-gen
[0:05] <ali1234> like debootstrap for debian? build a chroot from packages?
[0:06] <redrabbit> "Tool used to create the raspberrypi.org Raspbian images"
[0:06] <ali1234> i already have my own raspbian image builder
[0:06] <ali1234> if picore can go down to 10MB then i'd like to add support for that
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[0:07] <ali1234> hmm it's distributed as a rootfs tarball?
[0:07] <ali1234> that's perfect :)
[0:07] <mrkramps> ali1234, like http://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/wiki:remastering ?
[0:07] <ali1234> cpio even better
[0:07] <ali1234> mrkramps: yes exactly like that, thanks :)
[0:08] <ali1234> does it have a package management system?
[0:08] <mrkramps> yes, tce
[0:08] <ali1234> excellent
[0:09] <ali1234> actually
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[0:09] <ali1234> i wonder if i could just boot their cpio directly on my kernel :)
[0:09] <ali1234> this might even work over rpiboot
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[0:09] <ali1234> okay i'm officially adding this to my todo list :)
[0:10] <ali1234> hmm this already runs an in initramfs
[0:10] <ali1234> it's just what i need...
[0:11] <ali1234> mrkramps: how "complete" is the package repository? does it have Qt and gstreamer 1.0?
[0:11] <ali1234> i will be building my own custom versions, but it would be nice to have the dependencies available
[0:11] <mrkramps> ali1234, check it yourself :) http://www.tinycorelinux.net/8.x/armv6/tcz/
[0:12] <ali1234> that... doesn't really make it clear which gstreamer version it has
[0:12] <mrkramps> true :\
[0:12] <ali1234> also what about libraspberrypi?
[0:13] <ali1234> i have my own custom kernel too, so i'll need to at least repack core.gz with my modules
[0:13] <ali1234> hmm. this does look appealing though
[0:14] <ali1234> i don't see qt at all in the package lists
[0:15] <ali1234> for comparison my raspbian initramfs minimal size it about 27MB compressed, vs about 8MB for picore
[0:15] <redrabbit> i placed a bunch of tiny magnets inside my pi cases and around my power pack so i can snap them in together in seconds
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[0:15] <redrabbit> wanted to do that for a long time and it works just as well as expected, doesnt add bulk
[0:16] <ali1234> that's a neat idea
[0:16] <ali1234> just dont add any hdds to the stack
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[0:16] <mrkramps> ali1234, if something's missing it is not that diffigult to add your own extensions
[0:16] <ali1234> sure, i know how to do it, i'd just rather have someone else take care of it if possible
[0:16] <mrkramps> just ask at the forum :)
[0:17] <mrkramps> the main dev is pretty responsive
[0:17] <ali1234> qt doesn't have that many dependencies so it should be fairly easy to bootstrap
[0:17] <redrabbit> i have that with 1power pack + 1orange pi zero + 1rpi3 + 1wlan card + 1external antenna + 1 3G dongle, all single elements can be removed in seconds
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[0:18] <redrabbit> on another topic its looking like using the last aircrack on a rpi0w is more challenging that i thought
[0:18] <redrabbit> maybe i should stick with the version that works
[0:18] <redrabbit> even if it performs meh
[0:19] <ali1234> mrkramps: how are extensions built? native or cross compiled?
[0:20] <mrkramps> i built native for my stuff, but i guess for the repository they use cross compiling
[0:21] <mrkramps> and after all extensions are just sqashfs
[0:22] <ali1234> i would want to roll extensions directly into my image anyway
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[0:22] <ali1234> oh, what init system does it use?
[0:25] <mrkramps> busybox-init?
[0:25] <ali1234> hmm okay
[0:25] <mrkramps> not sure
[0:25] <ali1234> ... what libc?
[0:26] <mrkramps> guess i've read their whole wiki myself until i find this answer
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[0:27] <ali1234> dont worry about it, i'll find out when i try it i guess
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[0:52] <TotemFallico> Hello guys. I just bought a rapsberry-pi 3 model b, i want to turn it into a retrogaming station with Lakka. I need an ultra-lightweight, ultra-low on resource need and with no much space occupied. What do you guys suggest? Archlinux came to mind tbh.
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[0:53] <HrdwrBoB> not much space?
[0:53] <HrdwrBoB> space is on the SD card, so who cares
[0:53] <HrdwrBoB> 'low on resource' just means don't run stuff
[0:54] <HrdwrBoB> even raspbian doesn't start much on a full desktop load
[0:54] <mrkramps> TotemFallico, Lakka already is a linux distribution afaik
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[0:55] <TotemFallico> mrkramps, yeah, but i don't want just lakka, i might need even something to dual-boot lakka with
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[0:56] <TotemFallico> i need it also for a project on my nexus phone
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[0:56] <mrkramps> i do very crazy things instead of dual booting
[0:56] <mrkramps> like getting a second rpi
[0:56] <mrkramps> or just a second sd card
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[0:57] <TotemFallico> it was a gift, i'm saving money for a full tower pc (a thunder fried the last one) so i'm having some economic problems atm
[0:58] <mrkramps> not even 10 bucks for another sd card?
[0:59] <TotemFallico> i'm not even having lunch for getting the money. Fuck me i'm in italy it ain't easy i don't even work that much
[0:59] <mrkramps> sry, i understand
[1:00] <TotemFallico> to solve most of my problems, without getting into the list anything i "want" but only what i "need", i'd need more or less 3k euros
[1:00] <TotemFallico> and i have 50 euros atm.
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[1:01] <mrkramps> depending on what you need for your project you can use raspbian lite, an arch port or picore for example
[1:02] <TotemFallico> the project i was wondering was something that, when on, would let me explore the content of any usb plugged in from my Nexus 6P via bluetooth
[1:03] <TotemFallico> sounds fun right?
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[1:03] <mrkramps> is there a reason why this has to be bluetooth?
[1:04] <redrabbit> id rather use wifi for this
[1:04] <mrkramps> ack
[1:05] <TotemFallico> Well
[1:05] <TotemFallico> i'd use wifi, but how can i do it? Setup an Ad-Hoc wifi connection on the raspberry and work that way?
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[1:05] <redrabbit> the rpi can be a full fat AP
[1:05] <mrkramps> yapp
[1:06] <redrabbit> none of that ad-hoc bs
[1:06] <redrabbit> ^^
[1:06] <redrabbit> then you run samba or other file sharing server and you're set
[1:06] <mrkramps> nah, NO SAMBA!!!
[1:06] <mrkramps> =D
[1:06] <redrabbit> nfs then
[1:06] <mrkramps> sshfs?
[1:06] <mrkramps> pretty easy stuff
[1:07] <redrabbit> or that
[1:07] <mrkramps> there should be plenty of android clients supporting it
[1:07] <TotemFallico> anyway, let's go back to the point. Dual booting Lakka (for playing games) and the Archlinux ARM version should work out right?
[1:07] <redrabbit> maybe you can run this on lakka
[1:08] <mrkramps> TotemFallico, probably it is also possible to make lakka do it
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[1:08] <TotemFallico> idk, lakka doesn't give you out that much on scripting and whatnot
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[1:10] <mrkramps> TotemFallico, if you want it really really tiny, then try picore
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[1:11] <mrkramps> and if you want to get it running as fast as possible, pick something you already knnow ;)
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[1:16] <redrabbit> https://github.com/libretro/Lakka/wiki/Accessing-Lakka-command-line-interface
[1:16] <redrabbit> i don't know why you coulndt run hostapd and udhcpd on it
[1:17] <redrabbit> it already has sftp to transfer files
[1:18] <redrabbit> probably easier to double boot an do it on raspbian lite thob
[1:18] <redrabbit> though
[1:20] <TotemFallico> i was thinking Lakka dual-booting with archlinux-arm
[1:21] <TotemFallico> accessing lakka commandline sounds more like a workaround rather than an actual solution
[1:21] <TotemFallico> i'm on arch right now, going from arch to arch-arm shouldn't be that hard right?
[1:21] <redrabbit> if it works for, you it's good
[1:23] <TotemFallico> welp, thanks for the suggestions guys!
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[1:23] <redrabbit> you're welcome
[1:24] <mrkramps> did he say he needs 3000 EUR for a desktop pc?
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[1:25] <mrkramps> probably got him wrong
[1:25] <redrabbit> 01:00 < TotemFalli> to solve most of my problems, without getting into the list anything i "want" but only what i "need", i'd need more or less 3k euros
[1:26] <mrkramps> hm, guess that's what he needs in general
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[1:33] <Psi-Jack> Heh, amazing thing that, what a simple pull-up resistor can do.
[1:33] <leftyfb> ?
[1:34] <Psi-Jack> Heh. I had a PIR sensor constantly floating between HIGH and LOW state endlessly, so I put a 10kohm resitor on the input line and that kept it low
[1:34] <mrkramps> oh nice, you fixed it =)
[1:34] <Psi-Jack> I did! :D
[1:35] <Psi-Jack> Now I don't think I even need the Debouncer stuff I had put in. heh
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[1:35] <Psi-Jack> I did get it down to an accuracy of about 3,500 millis of actual movement to filter out false posatives, or REALLY short/quick movements.
[1:36] <redrabbit> i had to do the same for my garden pump controller; used a pull down though
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[1:36] <redrabbit> with an analog switch
[1:36] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I learned about pull-up and pull-down today, actually.
[1:36] <Psi-Jack> Actually understanding what, how, and why.
[1:36] <leftyfb> Psi-Jack: you know th pi GPIO's have build in pull up/down resistors you can enable right?
[1:37] <Psi-Jack> leftyfb: I do know. I actually had tried that but it wasn't working, so I put a hard resistor in place.
[1:37] <redrabbit> that was on a wemos pro
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[1:38] <Psi-Jack> Oh? You got a wemos pro? How do you like it?
[1:38] <redrabbit> it is neat
[1:39] <redrabbit> i like the external antenna connector
[1:39] <Psi-Jack> That's likely what I'll be buying in bulk when I start deploying my components.
[1:39] <redrabbit> and 16mb of storage
[1:39] <redrabbit> luxury
[1:39] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[1:39] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. I'm going to buy one soon.
[1:39] <redrabbit> i have like 1 of each
[1:41] <redrabbit> atm i run 1 nodemcu & 2 wemos with 1 pro
[1:42] <Psi-Jack> I have two things I still definitely need. 22awg stranded wire and a wemos pro. And some other components for the garage door control system and AC-DC converters for 120-240vac to 5Vdc.
[1:42] <redrabbit> aliexpress
[1:42] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. I know but they are so slow... But did prices
[1:42] <Psi-Jack> Good
[1:43] <redrabbit> patience saves you lots of cash
[1:43] <Psi-Jack> I know... Here
[1:43] <Psi-Jack> I've spent a lot recently that I'm over budget.
[1:43] <ShorTie> that's easily done
[1:44] <redrabbit> https://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesale-5v-power-supply.html?initiative_id=AS_20170417154337&site=glo&groupsort=1&SortType=total_tranpro_desc&g=y&SearchText=5v+power+supply
[1:45] <Psi-Jack> Nice!
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[1:45] <Psi-Jack> No transformer needed just solid state?
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[1:48] <redrabbit> i have a bunch of the $2 pieces (1st one)
[1:48] <redrabbit> use them to power low power devices like the wemos
[1:48] <Psi-Jack> My idea is to make these things plug in via some decent enough socket and concealable as possible. Possibly a barrel connecter where applicable
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[1:49] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. First one for me is $6
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[1:51] <redrabbit> strange
[1:52] <redrabbit> is the any way you can send a screenshot, curious what ali does
[1:52] <Psi-Jack> Course I was thinking ordering stuff like that from digikey where I'm also likely to get other parts.
[1:52] <Psi-Jack> I could.. But I'll have to get back to my computer first.
[1:52] <redrabbit> ok np
[1:52] <Psi-Jack> I'm out with the dogs outside break time.Lolo
[1:53] <redrabbit> its theses i used a bunch of
[1:53] <redrabbit> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5V-700mA-3-5W-AC-DC-Precision-Buck-Converter-AC-220v-to-5v-DC-step-down/32649591757.html
[1:53] <redrabbit> they are fine the pi0w as well + camera module
[1:53] <Psi-Jack> You can usually tell when I use Lolo. That's my phone's version of LOL when I try swiping.
[1:53] <redrabbit> not made to support mad loads, but tiny and cheap
[1:54] * BurtyB has a couple similar to that but they scare me heh
[1:54] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. That's what I'm thinking about. Making with raw components or so.
[1:54] * redrabbit eats frozen cherries from the garden unfrozen in coke
[1:55] <redrabbit> like home made cherry coke and it does works as ice
[1:55] <Psi-Jack> My plan is to actually design circuit boards and cases and everything.
[1:56] <redrabbit> for what purpose?
[1:56] <Psi-Jack> My home system to be neat and clean and the product possibly sell-able.
[1:57] * ShorTie Thinkz, hard to beat already made
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[1:58] <redrabbit> i understand making cases
[1:58] <Psi-Jack> It's a competitive market out there
[1:58] <redrabbit> for the circuits in some cases, not sure its worth it
[1:59] <redrabbit> i mean you need to order a bunch
[1:59] <redrabbit> better make sure the design is final
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[2:00] <ShorTie> you most likely can't build them fo what you can buy them already done
[2:00] <Psi-Jack> Getting boards printed is relatively cheap, and you get get a small sheet printed.
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[2:02] <cyanide> what is the maximum number of torrents i can run on transmission on a pi2 with some semblance of performance?
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[2:02] <Psi-Jack> 0/.
[2:02] <cyanide> 100? 500+? 1000?
[2:02] <redrabbit> Psi-Jack: so what is the advertised function for your product
[2:03] <redrabbit> i heard someone had 1000 torrents
[2:03] <ShorTie> 1
[2:03] <redrabbit> not sure about perfs
[2:03] <redrabbit> i know rtorrent-ps is great for perfs, that's about ti
[2:03] <Psi-Jack> redrabbit: Not sure yet. I'm still just designing and prototyping ideas. I do have the idea to keep it an open source design though.
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[2:04] <Psi-Jack> 0 torrents is best.
[2:04] <redrabbit> i like making neat cases as well
[2:04] <redrabbit> i need a 3D printer or something like that
[2:04] <cyanide> redrabbit, 1000 on rtorrent?
[2:04] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, me too. hehe
[2:04] <cyanide> or transmission?
[2:04] <redrabbit> cyanide: transmission, rtorrent is supposed to be better, but heh
[2:05] <cyanide> ok. well im having to use transmission because ive already force-checked 2tb of data on a vm and moving the resume data over to the pi2
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[2:05] <cyanide> because force-checking 2tb over usb on a pi2 will take decades
[2:06] <cyanide> so all i have to do is use the same mount point for the drive as ive done in the vm and i'm all set
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[2:06] <brianx> Psi-Jack: there are legitimate uses for torrents. i usually get new versions of raspbian via torrent.
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[2:06] <redrabbit> good if it works for you as i often would say
[2:06] <Psi-Jack> Eh, there is. I won't disagree. Just the torrent protocol itself is horrible, and that's what I hate most about it.
[2:07] <redrabbit> its outdated
[2:07] <Psi-Jack> It was outdated when it was designed. :p
[2:07] <redrabbit> lol
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[2:10] <brianx> and what would you suggest replace it?
[2:10] <redrabbit> something new with less centralized points of failure
[2:11] <Psi-Jack> And less abuse of UDP
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[2:11] <brianx> i thought the new stuff didn't need the central server anymore.
[2:12] <Psi-Jack> You always need a central server in torrent stuff. just to glue everything together.
[2:13] <brianx> i thought the signature was in the new torrent file and you got peers from peers.
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[2:14] <brianx> magnet
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[2:22] <redrabbit> Psi-Jack: https://imgur.com/gallery/xGSB2
[2:22] <cyanide> magnet still needs tracker data
[2:22] <Psi-Jack> redrabbit: Niice. :)
[2:22] <redrabbit> its missing the closed pics though, ill have to go take them in the greenhouse later
[2:23] <redrabbit> looks well finished
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[2:23] <redrabbit> considering its a 1$ case ^^'
[2:24] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I'm trying to figure out why ksnapshot won't let me sent-to imgur or anywhere externally.
[2:24] <drjam> dayam
[2:24] <redrabbit> i use the in site function
[2:24] <drjam> noice
[2:24] <redrabbit> i dont bother
[2:26] <redrabbit> i had to add some extra stuff in the box now its extra stuffed to the rim
[2:26] <redrabbit> #cablemanagement
[2:26] <redrabbit> i had to clip off the dupont cables ends
[2:26] <redrabbit> like trim them
[2:27] <redrabbit> to fit the narrow height
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[2:27] <redrabbit> its programmed with OTA, ill never have to plug it to a computer
[2:29] <drjam> pretty cool
[2:29] <drjam> im JUST learning this stuff
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[2:29] <drjam> still learning about dupont ends lol
[2:29] <drjam> i think i hate them
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[2:30] <redrabbit> why
[2:30] <drjam> have not successfully crimped one yet
[2:30] <drjam> BUT i think its cause my electrical cable wire is too big
[2:30] <redrabbit> ah, i just buy them like that
[2:30] <drjam> going to buy more stuff today from JayCar
[2:30] <redrabbit> they cost nothing
[2:31] <drjam> heh tru that
[2:32] <redrabbit> i dont mind soldering stuff, in fact there's sodering jobs on that project but that's not the most visible
[2:33] <redrabbit> sometimes its good to have flexibility
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[2:34] <IanTLopp> anyone know where I could go (online) to upload pictures of a PCB and have someone deconstruct what it all does?
[2:34] <IanTLopp> I'm trying to change the controller board on a battery so it will output 2.5A or better
[2:35] <Psi-Jack> redrabbit: Anyway. http://ericrenfro.imgur.com/all/
[2:35] <redrabbit> makin' it explode
[2:36] <Psi-Jack> That was what I got when I hit your direct link to the search earlier. :)
[2:36] <Psi-Jack> I was looking at that Hi-Link one as an idea.
[2:36] <redrabbit> i dont see a screenshot :o
[2:36] <Psi-Jack> Err.
[2:37] <Psi-Jack> Sorry. :)
[2:37] <Psi-Jack> http://i.imgur.com/3hX4MLv.png
[2:37] <redrabbit> ah, strange, its missing some items
[2:38] <Psi-Jack> hehg
[2:38] <redrabbit> maybe shipping related
[2:38] <redrabbit> anyway there's plenty ^^
[2:38] <Psi-Jack> Half the crap I see there tends to be in russian.
[2:38] <redrabbit> just find proper amperage
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[2:39] <redrabbit> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5V-700mA-3-5W-AC-DC-Precision-Buck-Converter-AC-220v-to-5v-DC-step-down/32649591757.html
[2:39] <IanTLopp> how much amperage does the pi 3 draw constantly?
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[2:39] <redrabbit> what does shipping says on that for you ?
[2:39] <Psi-Jack> IanTLopp: It doesn't.
[2:39] <IanTLopp> I'm trying to see what kind of nominal and max outputs I need.
[2:39] <IanTLopp> Psi-Jack: what do you mean?
[2:39] <Psi-Jack> IanTLopp: Get out your DMM and find out. ;)
[2:40] <IanTLopp> you assume I know where mine is.
[2:40] <Psi-Jack> IanTLopp: US $0.33 to United States via China Post Ordinary Small Packet Plus, ETA 20-30 days?
[2:40] <Psi-Jack> IanTLopp: I do. :)
[2:41] <redrabbit> the max would be rated around 2.5A and idle is 0.26A
[2:41] <Psi-Jack> Your amperage usage may vary from everyone else's here for your specific use-case, so the only one whom can actually answer the question asked is in fact, you.
[2:41] <redrabbit> for the pi3
[2:41] <Psi-Jack> There is of course, the max. :)
[2:42] <redrabbit> so between 0.26A and 2.5A
[2:42] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[2:42] <redrabbit> that's an ample range :)
[2:42] <Psi-Jack> What exactly /is/ ePacket shipping?
[2:42] <redrabbit> i don't know
[2:42] <Psi-Jack> heh
[2:42] <IanTLopp> redrabbit: thanks! that gives me more to start with than telling me to be all prepared and know where my multimeter is.
[2:42] <redrabbit> if you get it to your door its good
[2:42] <Psi-Jack> They'll electronically teleport it to you? ;)
[2:42] <redrabbit> i have ordered hundreds of items
[2:43] <redrabbit> i dont bother reading i just put in the basket
[2:43] <redrabbit> lol
[2:43] <Psi-Jack> heh
[2:43] <Psi-Jack> It's funny how AliExpress accepts payments by Western Union and direct ACH bank draft.
[2:43] <IanTLopp> also, I've got a gert vga 666 board and it, of course, came unassembled.
[2:43] <redrabbit> IanTLopp: 0.26 is what i actually measured with wifi one
[2:43] <IanTLopp> not really a problem, I didn't want the d-sub connector on it.
[2:43] <redrabbit> without wifi its 0.226ma
[2:43] <IanTLopp> redrabbit: gotcha
[2:43] <redrabbit> wifi on is 256ma
[2:44] <redrabbit> without wifi its 226ma **
[2:44] <IanTLopp> well mine will have wifi on constantly.
[2:44] <IanTLopp> err.. you know, maybe not.
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[2:49] <Psi-Jack> Ahh nice.. My wife's headed back to Japan honshu. :)
[2:49] <Psi-Jack> (from Okinawa)
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[2:50] <redrabbit> IanTLopp: https://imgur.com/a/wMe3w
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[2:54] <Psi-Jack> redrabbit: Hmmm, dang.. Yeah, looks like aliexpress may be the cheapest. Just checked digikey and each one AC-DC converter was about $12/pc
[2:54] <redrabbit> ahaha
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[2:54] <mrbitcoin> hey hey
[2:55] <mrbitcoin> whats up pi lovers
[2:55] <mrbitcoin> hows it goin'
[2:55] <redrabbit> i got 3x 5Vdc 2A for under 1.1$ a pop Psi-Jack
[2:55] <redrabbit> talking psu price
[2:55] <Psi-Jack> Course, I can get something also like this: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Power-Integrations/LNK562DG/?qs=fDnuuCn74qGYbeoic5OSsg%3d%3d
[2:56] <Psi-Jack> For $1
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[2:56] <redrabbit> its far from a functional psu lol
[2:56] <brianx> Psi-Jack: my long term average for china post is about 16 days to chicagoland.
[2:56] <redrabbit> just get a power supply and dont bother
[2:57] <Psi-Jack> brianx: I recall. :)
[2:57] <Psi-Jack> heh
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[2:57] <redrabbit> its expensive and weak
[2:58] <redrabbit> since you can get finished psu for under that and at a higher power rating
[2:58] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty already.. I'll try AliExpress. LOL.
[2:59] <redrabbit> if you enjoy building your own psu its something else though
[2:59] <Psi-Jack> redrabbit: Looking for something like you got, but something with stand-off support.
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[3:00] <redrabbit> hot glue ftw
[3:00] <redrabbit> ^^"
[3:00] <redrabbit> i mean its a 1$ and a 2$ psu, so..
[3:00] <redrabbit> 1$ case*
[3:01] <Psi-Jack> Or I could get something encased, like the Hi-link.
[3:01] <redrabbit> takes more space
[3:02] <redrabbit> hot glue "mounting" is cheap on space that's why im doing it
[3:02] <brianx> the magnetics are the expensive part of an isolated switcher.
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[3:03] <redrabbit> i power an orange pi zero with one of thses and if i let the case closed for a while the psu starts moving around
[3:03] <redrabbit> like it melts the glue
[3:03] <redrabbit> rofk
[3:03] <redrabbit> i need to cut a fat hole and put a grill
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[3:05] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
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[3:06] <Psi-Jack> Would this be measured in cm?
[3:06] <Psi-Jack> the dimensions of the enclosed PSU?
[3:06] <Psi-Jack> or mm?
[3:06] <redrabbit> millimeters
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[3:07] <redrabbit> im gonna buy one to see how it performs
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[3:09] <Psi-Jack> Yea, I think I found what I'm looking for. $2.43, enclosed cased PSU, through-hole mount.
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[3:09] <Psi-Jack> Pretty decent size too.
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[3:10] <Psi-Jack> Meets UL and CE standards, also good. hehe
[3:10] <redrabbit> i picked one, ill add it after a spare 220v cable + hot glue and heat shrink for a cheap phone charger
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[3:11] <redrabbit> or to power some iot device
[3:11] <Psi-Jack> Still wondering what an ePacket is...
[3:11] <redrabbit> its just cheap shipping
[3:11] <redrabbit> lol
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[3:12] <drjam> <Psi-Jack> Ahh nice.. My wife's headed back to Japan honshu. :)<-- my kid's been to japan, apparently a good place
[3:12] <Psi-Jack> I've been to Japan twice. :)
[3:12] <drjam> whats your fav part about it?
[3:12] <redrabbit> i only have knifes and an amplifier from japan
[3:12] <drjam> he liked the temple
[3:12] <redrabbit> :c
[3:13] <Psi-Jack> Hmmmm
[3:13] <redrabbit> lol
[3:13] <Psi-Jack> Everything but some aspects of the culture. :)
[3:13] <drjam> knives...jap steel is very gooood
[3:13] <redrabbit> they are the best drjam
[3:13] <drjam> culture, yeah, i read shogun ;)
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[3:13] <drjam> redrabbit, if i had tons of money, i would be buying lots of jap knives!
[3:14] <drjam> and im german so.,... there you go
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[3:14] <Psi-Jack> Now... What's a decent power connector header when a PSU is internal? heh
[3:14] <drjam> lol
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[3:19] <Psi-Jack> Almost thinking it might be better to go with a 48V DC-DC 5V buck, and just do PoE injection,.
[3:19] <Psi-Jack> or even 24V. Either way.
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[3:21] <Psi-Jack> At least with that approach I could potentially run one PoE injector to up to 4 modules at the same time.
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[3:26] <drjam> sounds plausible
[3:26] <Psi-Jack> hehe
[3:26] <drjam> ive just bought a few PoE adapters from ebay
[3:26] <drjam> great minds!
[3:27] <drjam> but i wouldnt mind my mind being more mindful haha
[3:27] * Psi-Jack chuckles.
[3:27] * drjam bows
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[3:27] <Psi-Jack> I dunno.. I'll get to the power situation when I have a usable prototype concept, I suppose.
[3:28] <drjam> i didnt see what it was you were making? myself.... i'm stasrting to solder crfap for an outdoor DHT22 with LCD for time
[3:28] <Psi-Jack> I mean, I have a couple options to play with for sure. Even, dare I say, OPI-Zero PoE powered modules.
[3:28] <drjam> crfap? sounds kinky haha.... meant crap
[3:29] <Psi-Jack> I'm making a home automation, security, and safety system.
[3:29] <drjam> sweet! if i can pick your brain as you go, that would be cool
[3:29] <drjam> :)
[3:29] <drjam> am waiting on a pi zero to arrive later this week
[3:29] <drjam> i hope
[3:29] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[3:29] <Psi-Jack> I got my rpizw last week
[3:31] <Psi-Jack> I'm currently prototyping with esp8266's, esp32, rpizw, and rpi3.
[3:31] <Psi-Jack> Likely going to get a Particle Electron for cellular backup communication
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[3:34] <redrabbit> Psi-Jack: for 220AC i dont use connectors
[3:34] <redrabbit> they are bulky
[3:35] <redrabbit> i drill a small hole for the 220V cable and secure it with hot glue
[3:35] <Psi-Jack> Well I'm mostly doing 110Vac for myself.
[3:35] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[3:35] <redrabbit> the trick to not get messy with hot glue is to get a low temp gun and stick around 140°C - 150°C
[3:36] <redrabbit> well 220v or 110 dont matter in that case
[3:36] <Psi-Jack> I could of course get some screw down clamps for that if I hide the modules inside the walls
[3:37] <Psi-Jack> With that I could tap off the romex to the outlet easily enough.
[3:37] <redrabbit> for high voltage you need decent sized connectors theses tend to be bulky
[3:38] <Psi-Jack> Yep. I got 12ga in my house.
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[3:40] <Psi-Jack> Mostly anyway. Got one place I need to change the wiring to 12ga from 14ga
[3:44] <Psi-Jack> Man, that PIR's been working great now that I pulled it up. ;)
[3:44] <Psi-Jack> Finally that part is rock solid now.
[3:44] <redrabbit> i ordered a bunch of PIR leds "bulbs"
[3:44] <redrabbit> problem solved
[3:44] <Psi-Jack> Heh, without the logic board, or freznel lense?
[3:45] <Psi-Jack> or the IC controller?
[3:45] <redrabbit> im gonna use my pir sensors for alarms
[3:45] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, me too.
[3:45] <Psi-Jack> Oh! I was super surprised today.
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[3:46] <Psi-Jack> I had ordered some DC-DC Buck converters to step down power recently, supposed to have been a pack of 6.
[3:46] <redrabbit> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/E27-B22-LED-PIR-Motion-Sensor-Lamp-5W-7W-9W-Super-Brightness-PIR-Infrared-Human-Body/32794647730.html
[3:46] <redrabbit> theses
[3:46] <Psi-Jack> 1 of them ended up being a mystery bag with a sealed static bag.. But no module inside. LOL
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[3:46] <redrabbit> i wanted to build something but seeing the cost of theses and i needed 8 of them so..
[3:46] <redrabbit> that vs building
[3:46] <redrabbit> :D
[3:46] <Psi-Jack> I contacted the seller, told them, showed them a picture of the static bag, and in less than 4 days, it was already in my mail.
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[3:47] <Psi-Jack> So, now I have 11 converter modules. LOL
[3:47] <Psi-Jack> And soon, I'll have yet ANOTHER full box (hopefully this time), of dupont connectors, including the missing 1x1P. heh
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[3:47] <redrabbit> converter rich
[3:48] <redrabbit> you never have nuff dupont wires
[3:48] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. I'm wondering how plausible it would be to check the voltage coming in on an ESP8266, for the purpose of reporting battery level.
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[3:48] <redrabbit> yes you can
[3:49] <Psi-Jack> Oohhh reallyy...
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[3:49] <drjam> Psi-Jack, esp8266's, ive read about them, they seem very useful.... ideally i want to add home power monitoring inclusive of Solar generation and use
[3:49] <drjam> redrabbit, ive orded some pir LEDs recently too!
[3:49] <Psi-Jack> drjam: Exactly what I was thinking. ;)
[3:49] <redrabbit> wemos and nodemcus use esp
[3:49] <drjam> will learn about them on my outdoor knightvision pi
[3:49] <drjam> ha!
[3:50] <drjam> i are scared now lol
[3:50] <redrabbit> drjam: its for my house, we waste too much power leaving the lights on in the places we dont stay
[3:50] <drjam> red i also read that they MIGHT damage your eyes if you look at em
[3:50] <drjam> so be advised
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[3:50] <redrabbit> you mean LEDs ?
[3:50] <Psi-Jack> Getting a big box of solar panels that you can assemble yourself is pretty cheap.
[3:50] <drjam> yeah,m the infraed ones
[3:50] <drjam> i got 850m
[3:51] <redrabbit> i wont use 1 of them for continous use anyway
[3:51] <drjam> psi ive got 6 250w panels given to me by my bro in law, im so not gunna make some haha. i cant even get my pi skills completed within a good time
[3:51] <redrabbit> its gonna switch on a a couple minutes
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[3:53] <drjam> redrabbit, ah i just looked at your link... nah i got the TINY led things, like, pixie light solder into your board leds
[3:53] <drjam> to put next to my pi's IR camera
[3:53] <redrabbit> gotcha
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[3:53] <drjam> although that bulb would be pretty good to have on outside the house too
[3:54] * drjam ponders this developemnt
[3:54] <redrabbit> lol
[3:54] <drjam> wait...wtf is human body inductiuon?
[3:54] <drjam> it sucks enegery from me?
[3:54] <redrabbit> i need to setup some infrared light for my camera as well
[3:54] <redrabbit> or maybe some real light
[3:55] <redrabbit> like a fat projector
[3:55] <redrabbit> to spot the thugs from a mile
[3:55] <drjam> spot them and fry them
[3:55] <redrabbit> box of fireworks hooked up to some RF controller
[3:56] <redrabbit> surprise
[3:56] <drjam> i always read "surprise" with added words on the end, such as "mutha f****"
[3:56] <drjam> movies have ruined me
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[3:56] <redrabbit> lol
[3:57] <redrabbit> thatd be appropriate
[3:57] <redrabbit> oh, still no new rick & morty
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[3:59] <redrabbit> 5days
[3:59] <drjam> a countdown it is then
[3:59] <drjam> put THAT in your Pi and smoke it
[3:59] * drjam giggles
[4:00] <Psi-Jack> Yep, so far, so good. Just removed the debouncer from my PIR, and it's running stable so far. :D
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[4:01] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[4:01] <Psi-Jack> Though it is reading longer high states than before.
[4:02] <redrabbit> that is a strange pir module you got
[4:02] <redrabbit> i dont have to fiddle with mine
[4:02] <redrabbit> it has time and sensivity settings as well
[4:03] <Psi-Jack> Mine has all that too.
[4:04] <redrabbit> i mean its strange that you had to add stuff to use it
[4:04] <Psi-Jack> http://a.co/cjtt72W
[4:04] <Psi-Jack> This is what I got.
[4:04] <redrabbit> i have the same
[4:04] <redrabbit> ^^
[4:04] <redrabbit> oh its for the pi ?
[4:04] <redrabbit> i used mine on arduino so i don't know about the pi lol
[4:05] <Psi-Jack> Well, it's annoying that it works at 5V instead of 3.3V. But I have it plugged into the H pin for the V+
[4:05] <Psi-Jack> And no, for my ESP8266
[4:05] <redrabbit> oh
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[4:05] <redrabbit> i had to use a transistor on my wemos box to drive the 5V relay properly
[4:06] <Psi-Jack> It is kinda cool that these PIR modules have two through-hole pin slots available to add in additional sensors, like a light resistence sensor.
[4:06] <redrabbit> oh, i didnt even looked at that ^^
[4:06] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. Like I said, for the PIR, I actually plugged in the V+ into the H trigger pin to supply it direct 3.3V
[4:07] <redrabbit> i have to try to add that pir module to my camera box
[4:07] <Psi-Jack> The annoying part of course is the fact the PIR came with no documentation at all about those empty through-hole pin slots. LOL
[4:07] <redrabbit> would be neat to engage webcam on pir trigger
[4:07] <redrabbit> and turn on projectors
[4:07] <redrabbit> and do whatever i please on the event ^^
[4:07] <drjam> lol
[4:08] <redrabbit> like turn on the super loud water pump
[4:09] <Psi-Jack> One thing I noticed a huge difference between the EMY PIR's and the Adafruit PIR I just happened to get in a kit.
[4:09] <Psi-Jack> 1, quality... The Adafruit one was HORRIBLE quality. Second, a massive number of surface space used up for SMD resistors on the Adafruit one.
[4:10] <redrabbit> ahah
[4:10] <Psi-Jack> And third, they sealed up the two header pins.
[4:10] <redrabbit> i only order from china
[4:10] <redrabbit> moslty
[4:10] <redrabbit> exept for rpi boards
[4:10] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, like I said, just happened to get in a kit.
[4:10] <redrabbit> uk
[4:10] <redrabbit> rpi board and camera module
[4:10] <leftyfb> Psi-Jack: you should let Adafruit know
[4:10] <redrabbit> the rest i get elsewhere
[4:10] <Psi-Jack> leftyfb: Yeah. I did.
[4:11] <Psi-Jack> When a header is not even soldered on straight and is crooken, and caps aren't even properly level mounted close to the board.
[4:11] <Psi-Jack> Not even really soldered on well, or flush cut either.
[4:11] <redrabbit> now i pick unsoldered when available
[4:12] <redrabbit> its cheaper and i do it myself i know its clean
[4:12] <redrabbit> i have a extractor setup to suck the fumes outside so im comfy as well
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[4:12] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
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[4:13] <Psi-Jack> I have a nice bladeless fan to blow it away.
[4:13] <redrabbit> i used a 150mm 25w shower extractor
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[4:13] <redrabbit> and 150mm pvc duct
[4:13] <redrabbit> works nice, you can't smell anything
[4:14] <redrabbit> it was scrap, spare parts i had around
[4:14] <redrabbit> i used a fan before, i'm happy i did this
[4:15] <drjam> and all i got is a bench and fumes to keep me comfy
[4:15] <drjam> love hte lead based solder
[4:15] <drjam> :|
[4:15] <drjam> im not really sure if lead fumes are conducive to memory
[4:15] <redrabbit> you can build that low cost extractor for not much
[4:16] <redrabbit> what is really nasty is the flux
[4:17] <redrabbit> the lead dont get hot enough, however you touch it and get exposed
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[4:17] <redrabbit> so wear inconfortable gloves or .. wash your hands lol. i hate gloves
[4:18] <Psi-Jack> Well, this is interesting: https://www.digikey.com/en/maker/blogs/wio-node-grove-esp8266-wifi-module/57ad3656de7a4e8bb1ba5b2c82d4352f
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[4:19] <redrabbit> the smallers esp module i have in my parts box is not bigger than the tip of my thumb
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[4:19] <redrabbit> it doesnt even have usb connector its really tiny
[4:19] <redrabbit> the soldering job to get it working is gonna be fun
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[4:20] <Psi-Jack> Just an interesting neat concept with the grove style connectors.
[4:20] <redrabbit> form factor is interesting
[4:21] <redrabbit> especially the battery holder
[4:21] <Psi-Jack> Heh yeah.
[4:21] <redrabbit> its not cheap though
[4:21] <Psi-Jack> It's not entirely cheap, no.
[4:21] <redrabbit> i like it cheap
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[4:21] <drjam> why did that just sound dirty as
[4:21] * drjam giggles
[4:21] <Psi-Jack> LOL
[4:21] <redrabbit> you can get 2 or 3 for that price
[4:21] <redrabbit> even more
[4:21] <drjam> haha its getting bworse
[4:22] <Psi-Jack> Well, now I understand how grove connectors work, so, I can easily make my own. :)
[4:22] <drjam> holy flip, that thing has wifi in it too?
[4:22] <Psi-Jack> drjam: Yep
[4:22] <drjam> i love living when we are
[4:22] <redrabbit> for massive deployment its a good practice to keep costs low
[4:22] <drjam> wish i had the brains i had when i was 15 tho
[4:22] <redrabbit> like the rpi is made
[4:23] <Psi-Jack> And 4MB SPI flash storage.
[4:23] <drjam> im thikning clothing for this maybe
[4:23] <drjam> perhaps luggage / tools
[4:23] <drjam> wifi connected drill would be interesting
[4:23] <Psi-Jack> Actually, you know. There is a Drill with WiFi connectivity.
[4:23] <Psi-Jack> Or, bluetooth, not sure.
[4:24] <redrabbit> lol, i have a wifi power connector so i can turn anything into an iot whateer
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[4:24] <redrabbit> :D
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[4:24] <redrabbit> the thing on the link
[4:24] <A_Storm> Quick question my pi is stuck at boot on Starting LSB
[4:24] <redrabbit> atm its in the garden
[4:24] <A_Storm> thoughts?
[4:24] <redrabbit> first boot?
[4:25] <A_Storm> No I haven't booted it in ages though
[4:25] <redrabbit> sd card issue ?
[4:26] <Psi-Jack> Milwaukee ONE-KEY drills you can use your cell phone to program.
[4:27] <Psi-Jack> https://www.milwaukeetool.com/power-tools/cordless/2705-20
[4:27] <Psi-Jack> Like that. :)
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[4:28] <redrabbit> i watered my garden controlling the pump from my mobile phone connected to 3G then to home VPN, via proxy at home to the iot device itself
[4:28] <Psi-Jack> And just to see how that works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwoeFjciam8
[4:29] <redrabbit> was funny and quite responsive.. took like a week to stabilize it and make it reliable
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[4:30] <redrabbit> i figured controlling web based interfaces from broswer without a proxy in between has longer response time for some reason
[4:30] <drjam> thats cool Psi-Jack wifi drill, dayam
[4:30] <Psi-Jack> Indeed.
[4:30] <redrabbit> so the proxy is oddly enough here only to improve response time
[4:30] <drjam> A_Storm, maybe hacked and formated?
[4:30] <drjam> lol
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[4:31] <drjam> redrabbit, man, another project i want to do
[4:31] <drjam> im soooo far behind most people
[4:31] <drjam> :) but hell if im not gunna try
[4:31] <redrabbit> gotta start somewher
[4:31] <drjam> bbs, haircut and buying wires, heatshrink and stuff
[4:31] * drjam shakes redrabbit 's hand ")
[4:31] <redrabbit> buy all the heatshink
[4:32] <redrabbit> heatskonk erythung
[4:32] <redrabbit> gimme5
[4:32] <RajRajRaj> Why wouldnt raspberry pi connect to laptop screen automatically
[4:32] <RajRajRaj> And why the hell it needs vnc
[4:32] <RajRajRaj> That makes no sense
[4:33] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, kinda a pitty that JST connectors don't have quite long enough pegs to seat well into a breadboard.
[4:33] <redrabbit> ultimately i avoid connectors
[4:34] <Psi-Jack> Heh, why?
[4:34] <redrabbit> soldering is cheaper
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[4:34] <johngilbrough> Could someone with knowledge of HD44780 and wiringPi have a gander at my simple problem in https://dpaste.de/nJMh please?
[4:34] <redrabbit> for the end product
[4:36] <redrabbit> takes less space as well
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[4:50] <johngilbrough> Any takers?
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[4:53] <johngilbrough> Is this the best channel to be asking about HD44780/wiringPi issues?
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[5:14] <dtype> johngilbrough: probably right channel, although lots of long idlers here so conversations sometimes take awhile
[5:15] <johngilbrough> Ok, thank you dtype
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[5:16] <johngilbrough> dtype, Why would folks be on a channel if they're not watching?
[5:17] <dtype> johngilbrough: have it idle in the background.
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[5:17] <dtype> I sit in here 24x7x365, but I probably only actually take a look at it once every few days when I'm bored. Or when someone specifically says my name I get a ping
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[5:18] <Sonny_Jim> One day, all of IRC will be idlers
[5:19] <MaekSo> I'm doing my part usually
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[5:43] <chartreuse> IRC without idling isn't IRC
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[6:05] <brianx> idleing is life.
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[6:11] <rikk> we need to make IRC great again
[6:11] <rikk> :D
[6:12] <rikk> btw dtype thank you for your help the other day. i can confirm pi it's a true rng
[6:12] <dtype> rikk: ah cool
[6:13] <phil42> we need to attack twitter
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[6:14] <Psi-Jack> I constantly attack twitter. By never using that crap.
[6:18] <Zardoz> un-idle
[6:18] <chartreuse> This doesn't seem like idling anymore
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[6:21] <rikk> i would love to stay, but i need to sleep
[6:21] <rikk> take care
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[6:21] <Zardoz> just idle
[6:21] <Zardoz> or not
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[7:18] <drjam> ok i are backers!
[7:19] <drjam> spent to omuch at JayCar again....but man the goodies!
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[7:24] <Sonny_Jim> Jaycar blows
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[7:24] <drjam> lol
[7:24] <drjam> best i got around here
[7:25] <drjam> cept ebay and aliexpress....if i want to wait 30 days to get stuff.
[7:25] <drjam> which i find difficult to do ;)
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[7:33] <bedah> order on ebay from china, forget it the next weeks, get suprise packets! :D
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[7:44] <drjam> oh yeah, i do that already bedah
[7:44] <drjam> cost a bit to keep a rolling weekly present delivery system running
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[9:29] <jaziz> heya
[9:30] <jaziz> I think I'm going to try making a raspberry pi zero gameboy advance
[9:30] <jaziz> I have a question about power feasibility
[9:30] <jaziz> is there something like a micro USB -> AA battery pack converter?
[9:31] <immibis> don't know about AA but look for "usb power banks"
[9:31] <immibis> ("power bank" being a newfangled buzzword for a battery)
[9:31] <immibis> they have internal batteries, and USB ports for charging and discharging
[9:31] <jaziz> heyheyy
[9:31] <jaziz> https://www.amazon.com/Rechargeable-Cells-Compatible-Interface-Compatible-Controller/dp/B01EK1KF5Y/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1492500680&sr=1-8&keywords=micro+USB+AA+battery
[9:32] <jaziz> aw dammit that's 3 batteries
[9:32] <immibis> raspberry pi probably won't run at 4.5V
[9:32] <immibis> and definitely not at 3.6V if you use rechargeables
[9:32] <jaziz> how much does it run at?
[9:33] <immibis> the voltage needs to be about 5V which is normal USB voltage
[9:33] <jaziz> for a pi zero?
[9:33] <immibis> i don't have a pi zero but it's powered by micro-usb right?
[9:33] <jaziz> mm
[9:34] <immibis> so, USB uses 5V
[9:34] <Lartza> Or by soldering onto the board which would be smaller
[9:34] <Lartza> But in any case you can't just run a 5V device with another voltage
[9:34] <jaziz> hmm, maybe this isn't feasible
[9:35] <immibis> you can convert voltages easily enough with the right converter
[9:35] <jaziz> yeaah, but I'd want it to look and feel like the OG GBA console
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[9:36] <Lartza> Plenty of people have done that
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[9:36] <jaziz> hmm
[9:36] <jaziz> perhaps there is a guide out there
[9:36] <Lartza> Just not with AA
[9:36] <immibis> something like this: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/ncp1402-stepup-5v except 200mA won't be enough, look for at least 500mA
[9:38] <immibis> this one looks okay: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/u1v10f5-5v-regulator - not sure where you'd prefer to shop ofc
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[9:39] <jaziz> mmm nice
[9:40] <jaziz> what exactly are these?
[9:40] <immibis> search for step-up converters or boost converters
[9:40] <immibis> usually the output voltage is fixed, you want 5V, some are adjustable
[9:40] <jaziz> alrighty
[9:41] <jaziz> thanks for the help
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[9:42] <immibis> for a raspberry pi you're recommended to have at least 500mA current available; it won't use that much all the time but that's the maximum. if you have any other power-hungry gadgets you could need a bit more
[9:43] <jaziz> mm
[9:43] <jaziz> I think this pi zero will become a GBA
[9:43] <jaziz> sounds like a cool project
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[10:52] <gordonDrogon> johngilbrough, got your email... looking now..
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[11:47] <feliwir> hey, i want to build an autonomous drone based on the raspberry pi zero w. I have looked at 2 breakout boards so far for all the sensors: berrygps-imu and pxfmini from erlerobotics. Which one would you chose for best accuracy & price?
[11:48] <feliwir> they are both about 60-70$ which i can't reach when building the pcb myself
[11:53] <feliwir> advice is appreciated :)
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[11:55] * ShorTie thinkz, buy 1 already built and have fun
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[11:57] <feliwir> ShorTie, well which one of those 2 should i buy? :D
[11:58] <feliwir> it's a good amount of money for a poor student
[11:59] <ShorTie> buy a already built drone
[12:02] <feliwir> ShorTie, thats boring :(
[12:03] <feliwir> and really expensive
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[12:19] <ShorTie> lol, not as expensive as building it
[12:19] <ShorTie> plus the bought 1 will work better
[12:25] <Sonny_Jim> I've got a $25 drone here, absolute hoot
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[13:13] <feliwir> well a drone for 25$ can not fly autonomously for sure or not?
[13:27] <drjam> im guessing not
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[14:20] <daynaskully> Q: I'm having issue running a virtual environment/script from cron (*/10 * * * * source /path/to/env/bin/activate && command > ~/my.log 2>&1) I've also tried using the full path to the command but nothing ever seems to happen (no longs, no error, nothing)
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[14:22] <shiftplusone> daynaskully: I don't think source is an executable, command isn't full path and I don't think ~/ is understood either. start simple and work your way up.
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[14:23] <daynaskully> shiftplusone, that never crossed my mind since i was focused on the other stuff. i'll try and report back
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[14:29] <petn-randall> daynaskully: Keep in mind that pretty much all environment vars are not defined, so if your script has a shebang like '#!/usr/bin env python', it won't work.
[14:31] <shiftplusone> petn-randall: why wouldn't that work?
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[14:33] <petn-randall> shiftplusone: Because cron doesn't define all those environment variables you have in a shell.
[14:34] <shiftplusone> What does that shebang have to do with it though
[14:34] <petn-randall> shiftplusone: For example, "echo $PS1" and "echo $PATH" will output something in your shell. Try the same in a cron job, those will be empty.
[14:34] <shiftplusone> Think I'll just try it and see.
[14:34] <petn-randall> shiftplusone: /usr/bin/env will look for the executable in your $PATH.
[14:35] <daynaskully> instead of having "source /path/to/env/bin/activate && command" i modified to "/path/to/bin/python /path/to/command" and it's working -- as it was related to the "source" command not being available in /bin/sh that cron uses
[14:35] <petn-randall> daynaskully: That too :). There are quite a few pitfalls with cron.
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[14:39] <shiftplusone> oh, and PATH wouldn't be empty either, it would just be minimal.
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[14:39] <shiftplusone> #!/usr/bin/env python works just fine too
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[15:11] <modles> Hi all. got an issue where my disk is going read only when i do an apt-get update and the update always fails on a 'could not resolve' issue and the drive stays locked. any ideas?
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[15:15] <Sonny_Jim> Is it nearly full?
[15:16] <leftyfb> modles: look in dmesg (type dmesg)
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[15:17] <modles> ok looking
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[15:18] <brainzap> etcher is a 100MB app to burn img to sd card xD
[15:19] <BurtyB> lol that does seem a bit excessive
[15:19] <ShadowJK> My guess is read or write error on the card, would show up in dmesg output
[15:20] <shiftplusone> it's node.js or some nonsense like that isn't it?
[15:21] <shiftplusone> I tried to build the unofficial google music player for raspberry pi and my god..... what are devs thinking nowadays?
[15:21] <shiftplusone> Insane amount of dependencies all just to show a web page.
[15:21] <modles> says EXT4-fs error
[15:21] <shiftplusone> and make it feel native
[15:21] <modles> i think its out of space issue
[15:21] <modles> i have expanded the disk though, or so i thought
[15:22] <shiftplusone> modles: df -h will tell you if you're out of space, it could be another error (sd corruption of some sort)
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[15:23] <modles> max one there is 89% use
[15:23] <modles> odly though the size of dev/root does not match my sd card size
[15:23] <modles> says 3.2g where its a 8g sd
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[15:25] <modles> hmm something is not correct here
[15:25] <shiftplusone> Is it a NOOBS install?
[15:26] <modles> no to be fair its armbian
[15:26] <modles> just to be awkward
[15:28] <Psi-Jack> Sounds like a disk issue.
[15:28] <shiftplusone> Does it expand the filesystem? Do you have to do it manually?
[15:29] <modles> it says to run fs_resize which ive done
[15:29] <shiftplusone> anyway, I know nothing about armbian, so I'll bow out.
[15:29] <brainzap> we have sd cards problems here all the time, i just buy more hardware to fix it instead of going after it tho. More readers and cards
[15:30] <modles> ive tried a different card, same issue
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[15:32] <brainzap> you have to blow the pins
[15:33] <modles> if i do a df should i have loads of different things in the list?
[15:33] <modles> lots of tmpfs
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[15:36] <shiftplusone> Where are you people buying these cards?
[15:36] <modles> its a sandisk ultra, should be ok
[15:36] <modles> wasnt cheap
[15:37] <shiftplusone> The high end cards tend to be more problematic than the cheap ones, since their controllers play fast and loose with timings, I think.
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[15:37] <shiftplusone> a normal class 6 card, like the official one is the way to go. It just works.
[15:37] <leitmedium> This channel is apparently doomed: https://dl.dropbox.com/s/dpmnivfq8bub1jq/2017-04-18_15-36-27-9e05x.png?dl=0 ;)
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[15:38] <brainzap> raspberry pi from hell
[15:38] <Sonny_Jim> https://www.xn--80ak6aa92e.com/
[15:38] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[15:43] <MaekSo> hmm, class 6 you say
[15:43] <MaekSo> so far no probs with my samsung 10's, but I'll keep that in mind
[15:43] <Apocx> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010Q57T02
[15:43] <MaekSo> I expect to lose everything on all my pi's eventually. they're not meant as OS drives
[15:43] <Apocx> never had an issue
[15:44] <MaekSo> ah, you know...that's one of mine, actually. I thought all of them were Samsungs, but... "You purchased this item on August 12, 2015. "
[15:45] <Apocx> yeah it's a popular one
[15:46] <MaekSo> my favorite pi is a flash card displayer at work - I write out an image to ram and display it every 4 minutes. studying a language this way. well, part of my study routine
[15:46] <MaekSo> if I wrote to sd card, I'm sure I'd have gone through like 3 more of them by now
[15:46] <Apocx> heh
[15:46] <Apocx> I think improper shutdown is the cause of alot of people's issues
[15:47] <MaekSo> most probably, yea
[15:47] <MaekSo> but I've lost several sd cards by using them as boot drives...they seem to withstand about 5-10 times before they die
[15:48] <MaekSo> by boot drives I mean like, "writing out a Windows or Mac ISO" to use to install an OS
[15:49] <Sonny_Jim> That's not quite right
[15:49] <Sonny_Jim> Should be hundreds of times
[15:50] <MaekSo> that's what the specs say
[15:50] <Sonny_Jim> The specs say 5-10 uses???
[15:50] <MaekSo> seen this happen to 3-4 of them, though
[15:50] <MaekSo> no, the specs agree with you
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[15:51] <MaekSo> same goes for USB flash drives. I think they're not nearly as reliable as they state
[15:51] <modles> sweet jesus linux can be confusing
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[15:54] <Sonny_Jim> I reckon you've got the faecal touch or something, I never really have that many problems with SD/USB drives
[15:55] <SpeedEvil> 'my SD card isn't reading or writing' is about the second most common complaint in here
[15:56] <Sonny_Jim> SD readers, sure, I have heaps of those fail
[15:56] <brainzap> makes you think
[15:56] <Sonny_Jim> Read somewhere it's the dirt cheap timing crystals they use failing
[15:56] <modles> i dont think its an issue with the SD
[15:56] <modles> it just not expanded
[15:57] <SpeedEvil> SD card, not reader.
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[16:00] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm... Eventually I need to decide what kind of method I want for a security unlock panel. heh. Whether it be an old Android tablet, or an actual number pad.
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> or a good old fashioned key ...
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[16:01] <Sonny_Jim> Key doesn't take batteries
[16:01] <Psi-Jack> That doesn't really work very well for a security system unlock code. :)
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[16:01] <Sonny_Jim> It does
[16:01] <Sonny_Jim> See my previous response
[16:01] <Psi-Jack> I mean, just like a door, you can pick a key hole.
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[16:02] <Psi-Jack> And for anyone decently good at it, it takes seconds.
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[16:03] <Apocx> If you are going that route use an actual keypad and not a tablet IMO.
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[16:03] <Psi-Jack> That's what I'm thinking.
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[16:04] <Psi-Jack> Just a simple keypad that I can program to accept various input sequences, and send over the result to the mqtts server for it to decide how to handle the value entered.
[16:05] <Psi-Jack> Of course, if the mqtts server never receives it, the alarm never gets disengaged, and the remote portion of the system continues the alert. hehe
[16:05] <Apocx> is this mqtts server on the internet or your LAN?
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[16:05] <Psi-Jack> Both. There's a local one, and there'll be a remote one to sync up to and monitored.
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[16:06] <brainzap> what you want is a amazon alexa controlled door
[16:06] <Psi-Jack> It's primarily for the "smash-and-grab" defense, if the main control unit (RPi3), gets disabled or smashed, the remote monitor never gets told to disengage.
[16:07] <Psi-Jack> brainzap: Yep. Working on it. :)
[16:07] <IT_Sean> IoT-controlled physical security is such a terribad idea
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[16:08] <Psi-Jack> Not if it's done right.
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[16:08] <brainzap> only if you do it all yourself
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[16:09] <Psi-Jack> Hehe. Which is exactly what I'm doing. :)
[16:09] <Sonny_Jim> That's kinda worse
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[16:09] <Psi-Jack> That depends on the knowledge of the person designing it.
[16:10] <Sonny_Jim> If that person is asking for help in #raspberrypi, that doesn't say good things to me
[16:10] <Psi-Jack> Again, that depends on the knowledge of the person. :)
[16:11] <Sonny_Jim> Can't wait to see what your building insurance company will have to say about it....
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[16:12] <Psi-Jack> That, we will see. All I have to do is show my insurance agent that it is a fully remotely monitored system that I can see everything about, making it 24/7 monitored.
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167865515002986
[16:12] <Sonny_Jim> pffft
[16:13] <Sonny_Jim> Good luck with that
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[16:13] <SpeedEvil> Psi-Jack: Do check.
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> They may only approve particular packages, or commercial vendors
[16:13] <Sonny_Jim> ^ That
[16:14] <Psi-Jack> SpeedEvil: Oh, I know. Like I said, my /agent/ would be the one reporting it to the insurance company. ;)
[16:14] <Psi-Jack> I've already talked to my agent about it.
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> k
[16:14] <Apocx> To be honest nothing you can do will protect a determined thief from breaking in. You can only deter opportunists. And generally a locked door and an alrm is enough for that.
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> Actually read your policy too
[16:14] <BurtyB> is it still monitored 24 hours if you sleep?
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[16:15] <Sonny_Jim> The likelihood of your insurance company signing off on a security system you've built from the ground up is precisely zero
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> Sonny_Jim: that's not so much the problem.
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> The problem is them paying out
[16:15] <Sonny_Jim> quite
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> in the event of an incident.
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> They are almost always quite happy to take your money with little checks.
[16:16] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, that's a very valid point. heh
[16:16] <brainzap> there is not much to steal, most money he had was invested in the automated alarm system
[16:16] <Sonny_Jim> hahaha
[16:16] <Psi-Jack> At the VERY least, they could consider this a passive security system.
[16:17] <Sonny_Jim> Well, here's a thought
[16:17] <Psi-Jack> s/could/would/
[16:17] <Sonny_Jim> [B
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[16:17] <brainzap> just dont buy anything from netatmo
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[16:26] <Apocx> ya know, naming your batteries "ultrafire" does not fill me with confidence
[16:27] <Psi-Jack> hahaha
[16:27] <Sonny_Jim> If your security system has the ability to turn off alarms and open doors, I don't thibnk it'll be classfied as passive
[16:27] <shiftplusone> Could be worse
[16:27] <Psi-Jack> Yeah... I've seen those. I thought the exact same thing.
[16:28] <Psi-Jack> I mean, it even has the picture of a flame on it.
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[16:30] <Apocx> I can only assume it's because they started out making flashlight batteries. and the rest of the word likes to call them torches. that or they have a sick sense of humor
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[16:30] <mete> same with TrustFire batteries :D
[16:31] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[16:31] <mete> you can trust them that they make fire ;
[16:31] <mete> ;)
[16:31] <IT_Sean> mete: you can trust it'll catch fire.
[16:31] <IT_Sean> damn. beat me to it.
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[16:31] <Psi-Jack> To me, it's a flashlight. A torch is completely different dangit. :)
[16:31] <Apocx> Time to leave a 5-star amazon review: Lived up to its name, burned my house down
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[16:35] <modles> is /dev/mmcblk0p1 a bootloader partition?
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[16:35] <shiftplusone> it's the partition that the hardware first looks for bootcode.bin.
[16:36] <modles> ok so my OS should be on /dev/mmcblk0p2
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[16:36] <shiftplusone> in 80% of the cases, it is the 'bootloader partition', although that term isn't quite right in this context.
[16:36] <modles> and i want to expand /dev/mmcblk0p2 to be the full size of remaining SD card
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[16:37] <modles> if so ive done that but /dev/root is still only showing as 3.2gig
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[16:39] <shiftplusone> can you post the full output of sudo fdisk -l ?
[16:39] <mete> you have expanded the partition?
[16:39] <mete> what about filesystem?
[16:39] <shiftplusone> have you done resize2fs.... what he said ^
[16:40] <modles> https://join.me/501-059-820
[16:41] <Psi-Jack> Ewww, join.me.
[16:41] <Apocx> Quick everyone join. See if it can handle 600 users
[16:41] <modles> best option ive got to share ssh
[16:41] <Psi-Jack> Man, AliExpress is a liar!
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[16:41] <Apocx> Psi-Jack: And slow. Don't forget slow
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[16:42] <Psi-Jack> Heh. They said as a new account you could get $100 in coupons. Then it goes "uh oh, this is unavailable" when you actually try.
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[16:44] <shiftplusone> looks like resize2fs is the thing you haven't done.
[16:44] <modles> so sudo resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2
[16:45] <modles> flag for online resize?
[16:46] <Psi-Jack> It does online when it can.
[16:47] <Apocx> Can the LAN_RUN pin be redefined to another Pin # in the device tree? I think it can but not 100% sure
[16:47] <modles> resize2fs: Permission denied to resize filesystem
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[16:48] <shiftplusone> Apocx: for what purpose?
[16:49] <mete> sudo modles?
[16:49] <Apocx> Mainly just incase I inadvertently get it wrong. My design used pin 21 but now it looks like its pin 31. so I'm trying to figure out which one is correct
[16:49] <modles> tried sudo no differnet
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[16:49] <shiftplusone> Apocx: ah, so this is a CM thing?
[16:49] <Apocx> yessir
[16:50] <shiftplusone> Yeah, you should be able to redefine it without any problems
[16:50] <Apocx> I'm trying to figure out if they changed it from 21 to 31 on the CM3. not sure why they would but I'm researching it now
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[16:50] <shiftplusone> Why would it be defined in the first place?
[16:51] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/extra/dt-blob.dts#L1366
[16:51] <Apocx> I just mean the default assignment
[16:51] <shiftplusone> there shouldn't be a default assignment
[16:51] <Apocx> oh it isn't?
[16:51] <Apocx> well damn OK then
[16:51] <Apocx> thanks
[16:52] <shiftplusone> take whatever I say with a grain of salt, it has been a long time since I've done this kind of thing.
[16:52] <Apocx> yeah no worries
[16:53] <BurtyB> Apocx, I remember seeing something on the forum about it on CM3 iirc so might be worth looking there
[16:53] <Apocx> Will do
[16:53] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/extra/dt-blob.dts is usually my goto when figuring out how things are connected on different models.
[16:54] <Apocx> Yeah that's a great link I'm still looking through it thanks
[16:56] <Apocx> I should probably just flash a CM3 module and try sticking it in my current board. I was having some issues with their tools when I first got the CM3, hopefully they've been fixed now
[16:57] <modles> if i do fs_resize it says partition is already at maximum size (7.3gb), yet df says dev/root is only 3.2gb
[16:57] <shiftplusone> Apocx: what issues did you have?
[16:58] <shiftplusone> usually you just run usbboot and it goes into MSD mode, letting you flash whatever you want on it
[16:58] <Apocx> I forget exactly what the error was but it would not detect the dev board
[16:58] <shiftplusone> (after setting the jumper correctly)
[16:58] <shiftplusone> did it show up when you ran lsusb?
[16:58] <Apocx> I honestly don't remember. We'll see what happens this time
[16:58] <shiftplusone> fair enough
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[16:59] <Apocx> though I believe it did
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[17:01] <modles> just installed gparted and it says /dev/mmblk0p2 size 7.3g, used 2.7g, free 450mb !?
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[17:03] <Apocx> Failed to claim interface. Let me try it on a Linux box, the Windows drivers have always been flaky
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[17:06] <Apocx> Yeah works fine on Linux box. Not sure why it failed before, maybe cause I was on a VM or something (this is a physical Linux box)
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[17:06] <Apocx> that or they fixed the repo since then heh
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[17:08] <modles> i installed gparted, and trying to fix it in there is just keeps saying cannot complete action as /dev/mmcblk0p2 is mounted
[17:08] <DarkJarris> have you tried unmounting it?
[17:08] <modles> can i do that if its my os drive?
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[17:09] <crdroid> hello
[17:09] <DarkJarris> not while youre using it, no
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[17:09] <DarkJarris> but booted into a live usb you can
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[17:10] <modles> its wierd i always thought expanding partition was fine, only shrinking would be a problem on running os
[17:10] <DarkJarris> or plug the card into another computer and do it from there
[17:10] <crdroid> Hello,I'm new here,What happen?
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[17:15] <leftyfb> crdroid: hi
[17:15] <crdroid> hi
[17:16] <crdroid> I'm newer for raspberrypi,so I want something guide for help
[17:16] <mnemonic> crdroid: hi, i am new too (5 days using rpi3) :P
[17:17] <crdroid> I use rpi3 1 mouth
[17:17] <mnemonic> so you aren´t new :D
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[17:17] <crdroid> en,maybe
[17:17] <crdroid> :D
[17:18] <Psi-Jack> What do you need help with, crdroid ?
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[17:19] <crdroid> why i use python to programming of gpio to blinking a led,why led cannot blinking?
[17:20] <Apocx> because it just can't even
[17:20] <Apocx> if you post your python code maybe we can tell you. also if you are using an external LED, a schematic or picture might help
[17:20] <leftyfb> crdroid: post it to pastebin.com and post the link here. Do not post the code here
[17:21] <crdroid> In my country,I find some help at bbs,but no answer
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[17:24] <DarkJarris> Ok.
[17:25] <crdroid> so,I find Irc channel
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[17:25] <crdroid> maybe can find some useful help or document
[17:26] <leftyfb> crdroid: If you need help with your code, please paste it to pastebin.com and post the link here. Also post a diagram or explain how you have the LED wired up to your pi.
[17:26] <modles> sorted,ta
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[17:27] <crdroid> maybe cannot send the pics
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[17:27] <crdroid> because have firewall
[17:27] <shiftplusone> crdroid: You haven't asked an answerable question yet. I wouldn't even know what documents you want.
[17:27] <DarkJarris> https://imgur.com
[17:27] <DarkJarris> put the photos there
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[17:27] <shiftplusone> modles: what was the problem?
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[17:30] <modles> dunno, resize2fs worked when i booted of another SD and did it over usb
[17:31] <shiftplusone> hm
[17:31] <shiftplusone> raspbian does an online resize by default, so I am not sure why that doesn't just work in armbian.
[17:31] <modles> getting loads of apt-get errors now, The package lists or status could not be parsed or opended. FFS
[17:32] <shiftplusone> yaikes
[17:32] <shiftplusone> that doesn't sound good
[17:32] <modles> can i delete /var/lib/pdkg/status and rebuild?
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[17:33] <DarkJarris> try renaming it first and rebuilding
[17:34] <DarkJarris> if it works, delete it. if it doesnt help, rename it back
[17:34] <modles> ok trying
[17:34] <modles> i copied the status-old
[17:34] <DarkJarris> always best to make it so you can undo whatever yours trying :P
[17:34] <modles> and backed current one up
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[17:36] <DarkJarris> time to d-d-d-d-d-duel!
[17:36] <modles> ok so its failing on mirrors.ustc.edu.cn
[17:37] <shiftplusone> modles: out of curiosity, why are you using armbian?
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[17:39] <modles> beacuse im a dick
[17:39] <DarkJarris> honest
[17:39] <DarkJarris> 10/10
[17:39] <shiftplusone> I see
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> crdroid, did you test the LED before writing a program?
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[17:49] <leftyfb> hey gordonDrogon, got a question for you....
[17:50] <leftyfb> gordonDrogon: why did you create a whole new GPIO assignment scheme just for wiringpi and why default to it with 'gpio' when all the documentation out there uses the BMC assignments?
[17:50] <leftyfb> sorry, BCM*
[17:52] <shiftplusone> heh
[17:53] <leftyfb> or maybe I'm just misunderstanding something
[17:53] <shiftplusone> His naming scheme was around before the BCM scheme was known, I think.
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[17:53] <leftyfb> when using 'gpio', I have to always use -g
[17:54] <leftyfb> the numbers don't line up with any of the docs or tutorials or even the pi cobblers or the like
[17:54] <Apocx> ha...whoops. I was wondering why my CM3 wasn't booting after I flashed Jessie Lite onto it...
[17:54] <Apocx> it'd probably help if I decompressed it first.
[17:54] <shiftplusone> lol
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> leftyfb, because I created the wiringPi pin numbering scheme before the documentation was published.
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> leftyfb, read this: https://projects.drogon.net/wiringpi-pin-numbering/
[17:56] <leftyfb> I don't understand. How long was the pi released where nobody knew the GPIO numbers and couldn't use them without trial and error?
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[17:57] <leftyfb> gordonDrogon: also, at this point, why not change gpio to default to the BCM assignments?
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> leftyfb, because people are paying me to support wiringPi pin numbering, and personally, I use wiringPi pin numbers myself.
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> for i = 0 to 7 ; digitalWrite (i, 1) : next i
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> or, for in in 17, 18, er, 22, 23, er 27, er ... ...
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> be my guest and continue to make life hard for yourself. it's your choice.
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> or, like some, use the physcial pin numbers instead - I never came up with that one - blame rpi.gpio for that ;-)
[18:01] <leftyfb> gordonDrogon: IMHO, life is easier for me because all the documentation, diagrams, tutorials and labeled connectors/adapters use the BCM numbers
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> glad to heat it. lets hope you never have to use a Rev 1 or 1.1 Pi then.
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[18:02] <gordonDrogon> in your C programs, simply use wiringPiSetupGpio () and you're off.
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> or start RTB with the -g flag.
[18:03] <Apocx> ok now the CM3 boots, heh
[18:04] <Apocx> Windows drivers still don't work but the Linux ones do
[18:04] <Apocx> though admittedly maybe my box is just a mess, I haven't tried it on a clean Windows install
[18:05] <shiftplusone> I flashed a CM3 not too long ago from windows
[18:05] <shiftplusone> but windows drivers are tricky
[18:05] <Apocx> probably my box then
[18:06] <Apocx> for some reason it comes up with Xbox controller or some such when I first plug it in, and rpiboot doesn't find it. So definitely something screwy somewhere
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[18:06] <Apocx> but w/e I'll just use the linux box :)
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[18:13] <shiftplusone> I'll ask Gordon if he knows anything about that.
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[18:15] <shiftplusone> the xbox controller shouldn't matter unless you have an xbox controller also plugged in
[18:16] <shiftplusone> The problem with it showing up as an xbox driver is just a snafu in the installer where the guid wasn't changed
[18:17] <Apocx> ah ok so that's normal then
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[19:26] <lopta> hello Onion.
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[19:34] <An_Onion> heyo
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[19:37] <blakespot> hey folksd
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[19:37] <blakespot> I just installed firmware / drivers for Keyspan USB to serial adapter and I see the devs (2 ports) in /dev
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[19:38] <blakespot> Some linux's have a /etc/ttys startup config file
[19:38] <blakespot> anyone know what Raspbian's equiv is?
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[19:40] <shiftplusone> did you mean /etc/inittab? If so, not really. You'd need to add an override for the appropriate systemd unit. It depends on what you want to do exactly
[19:41] <lopta> shiftplusone: My guess is he or she meant /dev/ttys.
[19:41] <lopta> erm... /etc/ttys
[19:41] <lopta> ...which we still have in BSD
[19:41] <lopta> ...lets you choose which ttys to run getty on.
[19:41] <lopta> (and various related settings)
[19:42] <shiftplusone> haven't seen that in linux
[19:42] <An_Onion> I have, but in distros with sysvinit
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[19:42] <An_Onion> haven't done it in a while
[19:43] <shiftplusone> alright
[19:43] <shiftplusone> I think the point about needing specifics and pointing at systemd is still the answer though
[19:44] <An_Onion> I agree
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[19:44] <An_Onion> tbh, I haven't messed with getty in ages, and not in a distro with the new init
[19:45] <An_Onion> the name escapes me atm
[19:45] <An_Onion> systemd
[19:45] <An_Onion> I am dumb
[19:45] <shiftplusone> lol
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[19:46] <shiftplusone> it's fairly easy with drop-in overrides. You look at the existing unit files, find what you want to change and add a drop-in which gets loaded on top of it
[19:46] <blakespot> lopta: Right but theres no /dev/ttys right now
[19:46] <blakespot> If I crate one it will be read at boot?
[19:46] <blakespot> create
[19:46] <blakespot> Wanting to use the Apple //c in my office as a serial terminal --
[19:47] <blakespot> I have it setup fine with RPi 1 at home
[19:47] <blakespot> setting up RPi 2 at office - seems a diff procedure but not recalling exactly what I did earlier'
[19:47] <shiftplusone> The top answer here gives a detailed overview https://askubuntu.com/questions/659267/how-do-i-override-or-configure-systemd-services. Not sure if the 'edit' command exists in jessie though.
[19:48] <shiftplusone> full documentation here https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html
[19:48] <shiftplusone> anyway.... home time.
[19:48] <blakespot> thanks
[19:48] <shiftplusone> 'night. Be good.
[19:48] <An_Onion> I have a couple of vt200's I am going to set up similarly in a few months
[19:48] <blakespot> Somehow my RPi 1, when it boots, sends a login prompt through serial adapter to connected termianl
[19:48] <blakespot> wanting to get that going here on RPi 2
[19:49] <blakespot> RPi 1 is connected to an Amiga 1000
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[19:49] <gordonDrogon> I have a //c but using one as a serial terminal to a Pi is not high on my list of priorities ...
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[19:49] <An_Onion> I still need to find an orange phosphor vt200...
[19:49] <blakespot> gordonDrogon: What are you using it for?
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[19:49] <An_Onion> I have the green and white, iirc
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[19:50] <shiftplusone> blakespot: by default systemd reads console= off your cmdline to determine whether to start a getty
[19:50] <lopta> blakespot: Are you on Linux or BSD?
[19:50] <blakespot> I worked IT help desk at UVA in '97 and one of my terminals at the desk was that magical amber 4-window IBM plasma -- large
[19:50] <shiftplusone> so if you add the appropriate parameter to cmdline.txt it will start the login shell on there.
[19:50] <blakespot> lopta: Raspbian
[19:51] <lopta> blakespot: I have no idea what Raspbian uses. Might be systemd or some other Linux thing.
[19:51] <An_Onion> systemd, I'm pretty sure
[19:51] <blakespot> I will look into how to config systemd
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[19:51] <An_Onion> it's pretty simple, from what I remember
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[19:57] <gordonDrogon> lopta, blakespot raspbian jessie uses systemd, wheezy sysV init.
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> by default.
[19:58] <lopta> Thanks gordonDrogon
[19:58] <lopta> It's all a mystery to me.
[19:58] <lopta> (most of Linux is)
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> there's a lot of it. sometimes you just want a lot of it to go away.
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[19:59] <gordonDrogon> I remove systemd from all my Jessie systems, but that's not for everyone.
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[20:04] <Armand> +100 Kudos to gordonDrogon
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[20:14] <blakespot> Thanks guys
[20:14] <blakespot> https://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/33280974654/in/dateposted/
[20:16] <lopta> Is that a IIc?
[20:16] <lopta> brb, phone
[20:17] <blakespot> yep
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[20:20] <Infect> hey
[20:20] <Infect> whats up?
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[20:22] <lopta> blakespot: Is the serial port on an expansion card?
[20:23] <blakespot> Using an old Keyspan USB to serial adapter with 2 serial ports
[20:23] <Infect> Does anyone have other uses for a lapdock
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[20:24] <blakespot> lopta: https://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/2376228454/in/album-72157604316614196/
[20:24] <lopta> blakespot: I meant on the Apple end.
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[20:24] <blakespot> https://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/2375394829/in/album-72157604316614196/
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[20:24] <blakespot> oh
[20:24] <blakespot> The //c has two internal serial ports
[20:24] <blakespot> I connect at 9600
[20:24] <blakespot> Equivalent to the Apple Super Serial Card on the IIe
[20:25] <blakespot> https://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/2375398817/in/album-72157604316614196/ <- port
[20:25] <lopta> Nice.
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[20:25] <lopta> I liked that the old Apple printer cables were all RS422 "null modem" cables.
[20:26] <blakespot> yep
[20:26] <lopta> ...handy when you have to take over the world quickly.
[20:26] <blakespot> quite
[20:26] <blakespot> Vid I took and a littl write about doing this at home w/ the Amiga 1000
[20:26] <blakespot> http://www.bytecellar.com/2016/06/07/gearing-up-for-proper-bbsing-with-the-raspberry-pi/
[20:26] <blakespot> pardon the music and playful editing :-)
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[20:27] <gordonDrogon> can't view flickr again in firefox. no idea what it doesn't like this time. it's usually cookies, adblocker, etc. ah well.
[20:27] <lopta> I've saved that to look at this evening.
[20:27] <blakespot> cool
[20:28] <lopta> blakespot: Have I mentioned recently how much I enjoyed your ugly computers curation?
[20:28] <blakespot> Hah no - thank you
[20:28] <blakespot> some of these beasts are as ugly as homemade sin
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[20:36] <jarshvor> hi all, anybody with a pi-zero and an ethernet usb adapter?
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[20:36] <jarshvor> (using systemd persitent names for NICs?)
[20:37] <oq> does the chromecast ethernet psu count?
[20:37] <Habbie> oq, if it works, i'd say yes, it counts
[20:38] <oq> it works
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[20:38] <Habbie> cool
[20:39] <Psi-Jack> jarshvor: Do you have a question?
[20:40] <jarshvor> Psi-Jack: yeah... im trying to predict what the NIC name will be for my USB ethernet adapter hooked up to a headless raspi-zero im just now configuring
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[20:41] <Psi-Jack> Well, TIAS.
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[20:41] <jarshvor> maybe some people here with raspi-zeros and usb ethernet are running a systemd distro
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[20:42] <jarshvor> Psi-Jack: well... as I said.. im headless atm, and have not hdmi monitor or cable with me now... also not hub etc
[20:42] <Psi-Jack> This is not a RPi-specific issue to be specific, it's more about how the predictable naming convention itself works.
[20:42] <jarshvor> i know
[20:42] <Psi-Jack> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[20:42] <jarshvor> was just curious as to if someone here had a system like that
[20:42] <Psi-Jack> That's the information you need. As you can see, it can vary.
[20:42] <jarshvor> yep read that.
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[20:43] <Psi-Jack> So, you're going to have to TIAS to find out in YOUR specific case.
[20:43] <jarshvor> thanks anyway.. was just curious. might just set them statically for now. then change it back
[20:44] <jarshvor> sorry if I made a hassle. was just curious about what others might have.
[20:44] <Psi-Jack> It doesn't matter what others might have.
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[20:44] <Psi-Jack> Technical facts.
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[20:46] <lopta> I should throw away this Arcnet cable
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[21:01] <strixUK> lopta: arcnet... as in BBC?
[21:01] <strixUK> oh no, that was something else...
[21:02] <lopta> Econet, you're thinking of.
[21:02] <lopta> (probably)
[21:02] <strixUK> that's it.
[21:02] <lopta> "Station 254 not listening..."
[21:02] <lopta> *I AM STEVE
[21:03] <lopta> etc.
[21:03] <strixUK> *REMOTE $victim
[21:03] <lopta> :-D
[21:03] <lopta> *SPEECH
[21:03] <strixUK> it's been a loooong time since i saw any of that...
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[21:04] <lopta> Like riding a bike though.
[21:05] <strixUK> ah, nostalgia...
[21:05] <strixUK> those model Bs made it all the way out to new zealand. so did sinclair's range.
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[21:05] <strixUK> (since you mention bikes)
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[22:29] <Verity> I'm sure the worlds fastest google search could answer this, but can I power the pi through its 5v pin
[22:29] <Verity> feed power into the pi, through this pin + ground
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[22:29] <Verity> I'm enclosing the pi and I like to use barrel style jacks for my powerr
[22:31] <viju> Hi, guys what's wrong with the setup he's done? He has connected 22uf capacitor to GND and Vout of voltage regulator LM117 and another .1uf to the same pins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j21CMZ6Lrfc
[22:31] <viju> I am new to all this stuff.
[22:32] <Verity> "Connecting a barrel connector to the 5V and GND pins will be fine, but be wary you won't have the protection of the input fuse - such is life."
[22:32] <Verity> is this really a big deal?
[22:33] <Verity> should I just stick a dc-dc regulator in there to be safe
[22:33] <Verity> I'll be using a cell phone wall charger
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[22:37] <leftyfb> Verity: yes you can
[22:37] <Psi-Jack> That... Is just wow...
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[22:39] <Psi-Jack> If you want a fire, use something like that.
[22:39] <Verity> I doubt much fire will be happening inside a sealed metal box
[22:39] <Verity> at least it will be outside if it does happen
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[22:44] <Psi-Jack> Was referring to viju's link.
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[22:47] <viju> Psi-Jack: that's going to blow up?
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[22:48] <Psi-Jack> Well, I certainly wouldn't trust that by any means.
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[22:52] <Psi-Jack> I mean, current flows through the path of least resistance. By putting both the electrolytic capacitor and the ceramic capacitor on the same pins, it'll just flow through the ceramic one primarily.
[22:52] <tlvb> what
[22:52] <tlvb> it's not ac
[22:52] <tlvb> they're not resistors
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[22:55] <tlvb> putting two ideal capacitors in parallel you sum the capacitance, since we don't have ideal capacitors, there are benefits to reap by using two different type capacitors in parallel
[22:56] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
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[22:57] <gordonDrogon> Verity, I have powered many Pi's by feeding 5v into the GPIO pins. It's fine. If you want to do it "properly", then the foundation have published their suggested way to do it which includes protection against the Pi drawing too much current and reverse polatiry.
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[22:58] <gordonDrogon> Verity, but please don't just use something like an 7905 - it won't give enough current..
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[22:58] <polprog> i would go for one of those buck converter chips with integrated inductor for example
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[22:59] <Verity> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LM2596S-Buck-DC-3V-40V-to1-5v-35V-3-3V-5V-12V-3A-Voltage-Regulator-For-Arduino-/252285981996
[22:59] <Verity> like this? ive got 14 or so
[22:59] <polprog> also, a quick and dirty pair of 7805s with heatsink for proto, is it very bad?
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> polprog, they just get too hot.
[22:59] <Verity> I shouldnt run it directly from a cell phone wallwart (high quality one), is that correct?
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[23:00] <polprog> Verity: lemme look at that link,
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> Verity, you'll probably be fine.
[23:00] <polprog> thats fine, but i though about an IC
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> polprog, there are modern equivalents that are pin & size compatible with the 7805 - but most I've seen & used have the same 1A limit.
[23:01] <tlvb> basically (from memory) electrolytics have a large (relatively) internal resistance, which makes them have a bit of a RC low pass filter quality (=slow to respond to surges in consumed power), on the other hand they are easy and cheap to make with large capacitance. Ceramics on the other hand, while faster, aren't as cheap and easy to make large, and there may be other downsides as well.
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[23:02] <polprog> gordonDrogon: i think i have one of the newer hi-power counterparts
[23:02] <tlvb> the thing that makes 7805 and the whole slew of linear regulators, is that they are linear, they drop the voltage down by burning off the excess power into heat. smps types are better because they are more efficient
[23:02] <tlvb> *that makes them bad
[23:03] <mlelstv> you can easily extend a 7805 with some transistors (and usually use a 78L05 or similar then).
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[23:03] <polprog> gordonDrogon: tlvb: this is why i am aiming to make a buck conv pcb
[23:03] <mlelstv> but that's still a linear regulator with all its problems
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> polprog, go for it, but there are millions of UBECs out there already..
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[23:05] <gordonDrogon> you'll be hard pushed to beat the ones off ebay.
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> although the satisfaction quotient will be higher :)
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[23:06] <polprog> i aim for satisfaction and compactness
[23:06] <polprog> :)
[23:06] <polprog> gtg, o/
[23:06] <tlvb> I may perhaps have plans to build a smps regulator of some sort in the future as well, but as gordonDrogon says, I'm not likely to beat what proper power supply designers have made already
[23:06] <tlvb> it's more that I want it and the thing it powers on the same pcb
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[23:18] <localhorse> how can i execute Intel 80386 executables? ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.4, not stripped
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[23:19] <gordonDrogon> localhorse, buy a PC with an intel processor.
[23:19] <mlelstv> you can't run. But crawling is possible by running qemu :)
[23:19] <tlvb> or run qemu maybe
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[23:20] <tlvb> dunno if it works/to what extent on raspi though
[23:20] <tlvb> damnit, you already mentioned qemu
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[23:20] <gordonDrogon> I think crawling is over estimating it somewhat...
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[23:21] <mlelstv> worse if you don't have enough memory
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[23:22] <localhorse> gordonDrogon: crawling?
[23:22] <localhorse> mlelstv: web crawling?
[23:22] <localhorse> i just want to run it
[23:22] <mlelstv> going very very slowly
[23:22] <localhorse> how slow?
[23:22] <mlelstv> "run" implies some kind of speed
[23:23] <localhorse> how slow will it be?
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[23:23] <mlelstv> maybe original PC/AT speed
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> if you're lucky..
[23:23] <localhorse> is there a way to binarily transpile it to ARM?
[23:23] <mlelstv> 80286 6MHz
[23:24] <mlelstv> there is surely a way. But nothing that you just can use.
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[23:24] <mlelstv> and qemu isn't much worse than that
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[23:24] <mlelstv> things are different when you had source to your binary.
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> sure - if you have the source, just re-compile.
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[23:27] <localhorse> mlelstv: i dont have the source, it's from a hardware company, they dont have good software..
[23:27] <localhorse> we were lucky to even get a linux .so
[23:27] <localhorse> if i run this in qemu, can i connect to the LAN devices outside?
[23:28] <mlelstv> depends. qemu has some support for virtual network
[23:29] <mlelstv> if the program is from "a hardware company". Do you think an emulated x86 processor is enough? :)
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> half the issue is that you're probably going to have to also run the right Linux inside the qemu to start with
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