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IRC Log for 2017-04-19

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[0:00] <teepee> yup
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[0:06] <A_Storm> znx?
[0:06] <A_Storm> znc*
[0:06] <teepee> yes, works fine for quite some time now
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[0:08] <A_Storm> Just tried setting it up for some reason though I can't access with with my external IP even with the port forwarded properly
[0:09] <jerome-> when I do: apt install something
[0:09] <jerome-> it always endup with E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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[0:09] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Heh, I just got some, hopefully decent, pictures of the main logic board of the garage opener. :)
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[0:09] <jerome-> I've looked on internet, somebody suggested dpkg -a --configure
[0:09] <jerome-> but it looks even more awful: http://uu.zoy.fr/p/17P7BA#x=Q+EHAFXqTQAMGQsA
[0:10] <brianx> Psi-Jack: good news. i look forward to seeing them.
[0:10] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, Uploading them in just a few moments.
[0:12] <Psi-Jack> Not the best pictures, but the good part is, most of the logic board itself is pretty much one-sided that I can see.
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[0:13] <Psi-Jack> There's components on one side, circuit traces along the other, that's pretty much it for the main logic board. heh
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[0:22] <Psi-Jack> brianx: http://imgur.com/a/2V5GF
[0:22] <Psi-Jack> Newest at the top.
[0:23] <Psi-Jack> Second one down, is the way it's facing the outside, the wiring is on the top-left starting with the control panel with the red, and its white, then the white and black lines to the sensors for the safety.
[0:23] <Psi-Jack> 3rd picture is the power supply it looks like. Also what gives power to the light when its on. heh
[0:25] <Psi-Jack> And there's definitely a relay in there somewhere cause it clicks anytime the lights come on/off, and if the sensor trips on the garage door while it's closing, it blinks the lights about 10 times.
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[0:38] <tlvb> dunno if it's what you're talking about, and if you don't already know but the three black boxes in the last image are all relays
[0:39] <tlvb> (the ones branded Song Chuan)
[0:39] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. Oh? All three are relays?
[0:40] <Psi-Jack> Probaly should've taken that one out and taken pictures of the back of it as well. heh
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[0:41] <tlvb> you can search for eg 833H-1A... and you will get datasheet
[0:41] <tlvb> s
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[0:42] <Psi-Jack> Heh, yeah. I'm not so worried about the relays themselves, but how to make this thing work from a completely foreign device. Reverse engineering. :)
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[0:43] <tlvb> I was thinking pinouts, but it should most likely be possible to reverse engineer it just from the board layout :p
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[0:44] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Yeah. There's three controls that happen from the control panel, which are 80Hz signals. Omitting that and getting more direct with the logic board, looks... Interesting.
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[0:47] <Psi-Jack> It's also quite interesting that the two sets of white pins coming in from the outside, are together, meaning the control panel and the safety beam are tied together at the same time.
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[0:51] <Molt> hey everyone. I have a question about stepper motors. Hope someone can help
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[0:52] <Molt> I know this is rasp pi, but this is somewhat related, and I can't find any help
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[0:52] <Psi-Jack> I need to go get some coffee beans. Back in a bit.
[0:52] <Molt> i'm just wondering if these stepper motors (http://www.ebay.com/itm/111142976329?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) should work with these drivers (http://www.ebay.com/itm/5Pcs-A3967-EasyDriver-Stepper-Motor-Driver-V4-4-Pin-Header-For-Arduino-US-New-/142102017755?hash=item2115f0b6db:g:Z6oAAOSwFdtXxUve) right?
[0:52] <Psi-Jack> Molt: You'll never know till you actually ask. :)
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[0:55] <tlvb> Molt: the motors are listed as drawing up to 1.2A, while the stepper drivers can output at most 750mA
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[0:56] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I had a feeling something like that. I couldn't say with accuracy though.
[0:56] <A_Storm> teepee, did you have any issues with your znc server not being accessible externally?
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[0:57] <teepee> no, I'm forwarding this though SSH tunnel
[0:57] <teepee> so it's not directly visible from outside
[0:58] * Psi-Jack pets his ZNC.
[0:58] <Psi-Jack> Anyway, coffee... Back in a bit.
[0:58] <tlvb> but not generally an electromechanics guy, I'm not 100% sure of the implications of this fact, but I would guess that it would mean that the board would perhaps not be able to supply all the current the motor may need to achieve a certain amount of torque: You'll end up with a motor+electronics system that is in the end weaker than what the motor parts are specced for
[0:59] <tlvb> it could also mean that the driver risk being damaged
[0:59] <Molt> tlvb - yeah, I thought so. was just caught on the "up to" language (wondering what the minimum was). Plus I'm new to this so want to ask people who may know more than me
[0:59] <Molt> seems like I need to go with the Adafruit drivers: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Adafruit-TB6612-1-2A-DC-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Breakout-H-bridge-Module-Arduino-/181711686025?hash=item2a4edc4989:g:vT8AAOSwPhdVJKww Right?
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[1:00] <tlvb> I don't really have proper experience in electromechanics more than pulling relays, for which I choose safe overdimensioned components just to be on the safe side
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[1:04] <tlvb> the tb6612fng one should probably work yes
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[1:06] <Molt> tlvb - thanks
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[1:07] <tlvb> no problem, as general advice, I'd suggest scouring the ebay page (etc) to see what the parts number of the chip is and then look up the datasheet
[1:07] <tlvb> (that's pretty much what I based the advice I gave, on)
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[1:36] <cyanide> which filesystem should i put on my external drive that will be connected to my pi via usb?
[1:36] <cyanide> ext2/3/4?
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[1:36] <HrdwrBoB> depends what you want
[1:36] <cyanide> can't do fat32
[1:36] <HrdwrBoB> well .. ext4 then
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[1:36] <cyanide> any performance drawbacks to using ext4 vs older filesystems?
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[1:38] <strixuk> iirc, ext3 is only ext2 + journaling. don't remember what ext4 adds. so there isn't that much difference, except crash recovery.
[1:38] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[1:38] <HrdwrBoB> its' basically the same crap
[1:39] <cyanide> so ext4?
[1:39] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[1:39] <cyanide> ok, thanks!
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[1:41] <jaziz> heya
[1:41] <jaziz> for some reason I'm not able to ssh into my Pi after it's been powered on for a while
[1:41] <jaziz> is this normal?
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[1:42] <jaziz> I also tried connecting it to a monitor through HDMI while it was acting like this and no response
[1:42] <jaziz> I powered it off and back on and worked as expected
[1:42] <HrdwrBoB> jaziz: no it should keep working
[1:42] <HrdwrBoB> http://i.imgur.com/OexBSTB.jpg?1 <- we have screen!
[1:42] <jaziz> hohooo nice
[1:42] <jaziz> what does that do?
[1:42] <HrdwrBoB> you're looking at it.
[1:43] <jaziz> HMM
[1:43] <HrdwrBoB> in the magical future when the pixies code it for me
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[1:43] <A_Storm> HrdwrBoB, where did you get parts for your test bench?
[1:43] <HrdwrBoB> it'll show stuff like a G meter
[1:43] <A_Storm> Ive been interested in car modding
[1:43] <HrdwrBoB> A_Storm: ebay mostly
[1:43] <strixuk> ext4 looks like a more efficient version of ext3
[1:44] <HrdwrBoB> A_Storm: http://i.imgur.com/id8ppVA.jpg
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[1:44] <jaziz> that's sick
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[1:45] <jaziz> 3 monitors haha
[1:45] <jaziz> facebook on one
[1:45] <jaziz> youtube on another
[1:45] <jaziz> and one with actual work :)
[1:45] <strixuk> i used to have 5 monitors on my main box. (was a flight sim.)
[1:45] <HrdwrBoB> jaziz: actually that's foobar2k on the other for music :)
[1:45] <jaziz> hahaha
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[1:46] <jaziz> 3 monitors might be a bit much for me
[1:46] <strixuk> mounted to a custom wooden frame. alas, the PSUs in the lower two failed (crap caps, i think. probably repairable.)
[1:46] <jaziz> the two I have are perfect
[1:46] <jaziz> but I don't know what it's like to have 3, so who knows
[1:46] <HrdwrBoB> eh
[1:46] <HrdwrBoB> 3 is mostly wank
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[1:46] <HrdwrBoB> it's somewhat handy
[1:46] <HrdwrBoB> but the third you don't really 'use'
[1:46] <jaziz> mmm
[1:46] <HrdwrBoB> it's more like 2+1
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[1:47] <HrdwrBoB> so you'd put music, or a video, or whatever on the third
[1:47] <jaziz> I want to make a GBA with my pi zero
[1:47] <HrdwrBoB> A_Storm: the dash as you see it there is the culmination of LOTS of hours
[1:47] <HrdwrBoB> just designing the dash screen was well over 20 hours
[1:47] <A_Storm> I bet, tough stuff with a ton of parts
[1:47] <jaziz> is it, eh
[1:47] <jaziz> not just a screen?
[1:48] <A_Storm> He prolly has full working CAN network set up behind it I assume
[1:48] <A_Storm> with ECU's and everything
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[1:48] <HrdwrBoB> http://imgur.com/a/quEDa
[1:48] <jaziz> HMM
[1:48] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not actually connected to the CAN
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[1:48] <HrdwrBoB> the next model year went full CAN
[1:48] <jaziz> oh wow, that's really cool
[1:49] <HrdwrBoB> but mine didn't
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[1:49] <strixUK> going from 5 to 3 was a nuisance. going from 3 to 2 (my second video card failed) was a very great nuisance.
[1:49] <jaziz> 5 is just ridiculous haha
[1:49] <HrdwrBoB> less than 2 is impossible :)
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[1:49] <strixUK> (this channel's config to require identy before join is also a great nuisance given netsplits. is there any way around that?)
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[1:50] <jaziz> you could configure your client to identify automatically
[1:50] <strixUK> jaziz: http://strix-technica.net/~strix/pa-setup2.png
[1:50] <jaziz> good god
[1:50] <jaziz> that is pretty cool, though
[1:50] <strixUK> top three are the view outside, bottom two are instruments. the thing on the lower right is a custom HID (buttons and LEDs)
[1:50] <jaziz> why the simulator?
[1:50] <jaziz> you a pilot?
[1:50] <jaziz> or is that just fun?
[1:51] <strixUK> i can fly, yes
[1:51] <jaziz> oooo
[1:51] <strixUK> i don't have a licence, but only for lack of money
[1:51] <jaziz> wait, so if I could fly that sim, I could actually fly a plane?
[1:51] <strixUK> but i've logged a few hours in real a/c
[1:52] <strixUK> jaziz: probably yes, if you've learned the theory. my first real flight was after having self-taught for 1 month on a sim. and that was just on a laptop.
[1:52] <jaziz> pretty cool
[1:52] <jaziz> VR's probably great for this stuff
[1:53] <strixUK> jaziz: the mistake most n00b pilots make is to think that attitude (forward and back on the yoke) makes you go up and down. it doesn't, it controls your airspeed. what makes you go up and down is the throttle.
[1:53] <jaziz> also to be clear, there is something wrong with my pi?
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[1:53] <jaziz> ooo
[1:53] <strixUK> but it's an easy mistake to make because for a given thrust, if you reduce your airspeed you'll increase your rate of climb.
[1:53] <jaziz> interesting
[1:54] <jaziz> how expensive is a full simulator setup?
[1:54] <strixUK> how much do you want to spend (lol)
[1:54] <strixUK> you can spend silly money on that sort of thing, depending on how realistic you want it.
[1:55] <strixUK> anyway, to address your earlier question, you may need to disable the kernel's console screen saver, and you might need to have the display connected from the time it boots (HDMI being a two-way handshake)
[1:56] <strixUK> it sounds like something is wrong, but it's hard to know what exactly.
[1:56] <strixUK> i gather power supplies are frequent culprits; are you using the approved pi PSU? if not, try getting one first.
[1:57] <jaziz> hmm
[1:57] <strixUK> otherwise, try ensuring you have an active console that doesn't switch off full time.
[1:57] <jaziz> well it's the adapter it came with
[1:57] <strixUK> if you get desperate, you could try setting up kernel debugging via the UART (if the pi supports that, which i imagine it probably does)
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[1:57] <strixUK> yeah, but is that the official adapter? does it have a raspberry logo on it?
[1:58] <jaziz> hmm I guess not
[1:58] <jaziz> but the internal red light does stay on
[1:58] <jaziz> when it's acting funny, that is
[1:59] <strixUK> it probably will, that's probably just connected to a supply rail.
[1:59] <strixUK> try ordering an official 2.5A adapter, they're not expensive. £7 last i looked. maybe get them cheaper elsewhere.
[1:59] <jaziz> mm, alright, I'll see
[1:59] <jaziz> I'm not doing anything cool with it, anyway, so not too urgent
[2:00] <strixUK> it's not a sure fix but, if in doubt, start with ensuring sound fundamentals.
[2:00] <jaziz> I *did*, however, buy a pi zero
[2:00] <jaziz> excited for the gameboy project
[2:00] <jaziz> sound hard, though
[2:00] <strixUK> meanwhile, ensure you have a live console that doesn't blank and see whether you get any console output.
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[2:00] <jaziz> console?
[2:01] <strixUK> you might have to fiddle with rsyslogd or whatever your dist uses
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[2:01] <strixUK> console = local keyboard and display, as opposed to remote connection
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[2:01] <jaziz> oh, that stuff works
[2:01] <jaziz> after rebooting the thing, anyway
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[2:04] <strixUK> sure. but you want to see if there is any kernel panic at the time of crash which most likely won't get committed to the fs.
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[2:05] <strixUK> so make sure your console doesn't switch off (screen saver, kernel arg i think), make sure the rsyslogd is configured to log warnings/errors to console (google the config for your syslogd) and then wait for it to crash.
[2:05] <jaziz> mm alright
[2:05] <strixUK> other possibility, i guess, is that you've got a bad SD that quits responding. that'll show up in the kernel output.
[2:05] <jaziz> will see about this
[2:06] <jaziz> so many possible problems haha
[2:06] <strixUK> eliminate one thing at a time
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[2:06] <strixUK> PSU is a 'what if' thing; you can do the console thing any time.
[2:06] <strixUK> but it will take some fiddling to get it right.
[2:07] <strixUK> (i don't even own a pi yet... so i guess what do i know, lol)
[2:08] <jaziz> eh, you're probably right
[2:08] <jaziz> so far all the answers I've seen is "a lot of things could be wrong" haha
[2:10] <strixUK> linux is linux plus variations.
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[3:01] <agusyc> Hello, guys. I'm trying to get mpd working on Raspbian. I got the server working, but my opus files are not recognised. They are not listed.
[3:01] <Psi-Jack> opus files?
[3:01] <agusyc> When I connect with a client, I mean.
[3:01] <agusyc> Psi-Jack: Um... Yes?
[3:02] <agusyc> What's wrong with OPUS?
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[3:03] <Psi-Jack> What... the heck is opus in this context?
[3:03] <agusyc> The music files.
[3:04] <agusyc> The files that I want to play using mpd + a client.
[3:05] <ball> You could try ogg123
[3:05] <agusyc> ball: Ok.
[3:05] <ball> ...since that apparently is a codec you might see inside an Ogg file
[3:05] <Psi-Jack> Seems like an odd format. ogg vorbis would be much better.
[3:05] <agusyc> Psi-Jack: Ok. I'll remember it for the next time. I'm quite n00b with media formats...
[3:05] * ball uses Ogg/Vorbis
[3:06] <ball> I'm playing some now! :-0
[3:06] <ball> :-)
[3:06] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, only 2 really good formats I like these days. Ogg Vorbis, and M4A (AAC)
[3:06] <ball> Psi-Jack: I might use FLAC for some things. Haven't tested it yet though.
[3:07] <Psi-Jack> I use FLAC for lossless.
[3:07] * ball nods
[3:07] <ball> brb
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[3:08] <agusyc> Psi-Jack: I tried m4a first, it wasn't recognised either...
[3:08] <Psi-Jack> Probably just not compiled for support for it.
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[3:09] <agusyc> Psi-Jack: Maybe. I just installed with apt. I'll try with ogg and tell you how it goes.
[3:10] <rcombs> Psi-Jack: you're uninformed
[3:10] <rcombs> Psi-Jack: Opus is widely considered a successor to Vorbis
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[3:10] <Psi-Jack> Oh, I'm quite informed. But never heard of opus until now.
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[3:11] <rcombs> apparently not on the topic of recent audio codec development
[3:11] <Psi-Jack> True!
[3:11] <agusyc> :/
[3:11] <agusyc> I'm confused now. :P
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[3:12] <rcombs> you might want to ask the MPD people about MPD problems; doesn't seem super likely to be Pi-specific
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[3:12] <Psi-Jack> Definitely interesting though.
[3:12] <Psi-Jack> The band range opus has that is.
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[3:14] <agusyc> rcombs: Um... OK. Thanks anyway!
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[3:15] <Psi-Jack> Okay, now I'm informed.
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[3:27] <ball> I'm informed on the topic of how obsolete all my PCs are.
[3:27] <ball> ...and how lousy my Internet service is.
[3:27] <Psi-Jack> heh
[3:29] <ball> Modem glitched out again this evening. Relays clicking and red lights flashing.
[3:29] <ball> I was starting to think the phone company had fixed my line because it worked for a few days.
[3:29] <ball> ...oh well.
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[4:02] <tacomaster> after I change my password on raspbian I use it a few times then it quits working then i have to go to commandline to reset it back to the same think that it was before. This is getting really annoying to be honest. Its every few hours. Other than that the machine runs perfect.
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[4:05] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Did you ever get a chance to look at the photos? ;)
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[4:06] <leftyfb> tacomaster: what quits working?
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[4:07] <tacomaster> the password
[4:07] <leftyfb> tacomaster: open a terminal, type your password so you can see it
[4:08] <tacomaster> looks right to me when i just type it into the terminal
[4:09] <tacomaster> I set it up then install like 3-4 applications from add and remove programs then i try to do something else then it doesn't take the password until i go to termianl and reset it
[4:09] <tacomaster> terminal*
[4:09] <tacomaster> Because I'm trying to set this pi up to were all sudo requires a password but I can't yet because of this issue
[4:10] <leftyfb> something isn't right. passwords don't just stop working
[4:11] <leftyfb> tacomaster: when you come across the issue, look in your auth.log or dmesg
[4:11] <leftyfb> or syslog
[4:11] <tacomaster> I know thats what i was saying. I was thinking maybe the sd card was getting corrupted or something
[4:11] <brianx> not yet Psi-Jack
[4:13] <tacomaster> The only things that i see, even remotely odd is stuff about mmc1 and mmc0 which should be my micro sd card
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[4:13] <tacomaster> let me pastebin it
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[4:14] <tacomaster> https://pastebin.com/aYdhkQ6A
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[4:15] <johngilbrough> I just got done with my first pi switch wired to GPIO 4 and it works great. I tried another on GPIO 5 and nada. Is there something special about pin 5?
[4:17] <tacomaster> line 187 and down is the errors I'm seeing
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[4:20] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Hehe, okay.
[4:20] <leftyfb> tacomaster: those are benign
[4:21] * ball sighs
[4:21] * Psi-Jack throws ball and watches his dogs chase after him. :)
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[4:34] * ball rolls with it
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[4:37] <Psi-Jack> heh
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[4:40] <Sonny_Jim> johngilbrough: Not that I can see.
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[4:41] <johngilbrough> I'm thinking that maybe I need to set the pin as input first...
[4:41] <Sonny_Jim> The only ones I've had issues with is 14 and 15, as they used to be used for a serial console on boot
[4:41] <Sonny_Jim> Ah yeah, setting it to input would help ;)
[4:41] <johngilbrough> I'll remember that
[4:41] <Sonny_Jim> Not sure if it's still the case, however
[4:42] <johngilbrough> It's confusing
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[4:42] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
[4:42] <Sonny_Jim> On the Pi3, the UART is no longer enabled during boot
[4:42] <Sonny_Jim> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=141195
[4:42] <Sonny_Jim> (UART being a fancy name for a serial port)
[4:42] <stiv> *always* set the pin. and remember there are 2 numbering schemes
[4:43] <Sonny_Jim> Well, there's 3. BCM, WiringPi and the actual board layout
[4:43] <Sonny_Jim> https://pinout.xyz is a good resource
[4:45] <johngilbrough> Thanx
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[5:04] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, interesting.
[5:05] <Psi-Jack> Is the rtc-ds3231 compiled into the kernel in Raspbian? It's certainly not showing up as a module.
[5:05] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, it's an alias for rtc_ds1307.
[5:06] <ball> brb
[5:10] <brianx> taking a look Psi-Jack
[5:10] <Psi-Jack> Cool.
[5:11] <Psi-Jack> Just finally added my RTC module to my RPi3. hehe
[5:12] <ball> Psi-Jack: How does it attach?
[5:12] <brianx> no network connection?
[5:13] <Psi-Jack> ball: It's an L shaped module that just hooks onto pins 1-9.
[5:13] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Yes, but it's a security hub, so I wanted to make sure it always had some level of reliable time.
[5:13] <Psi-Jack> With or without internet accessability.
[5:13] <brianx> hmm, ok.
[5:14] <brianx> not sure how many time servers support encryption yet.
[5:14] <Psi-Jack> Heh yeah.
[5:14] <brianx> so, i can't read the chip labels on the two main chips. one is clearly an ST, but it's rather small to be a cpu.
[5:14] <Psi-Jack> With this, in theory, I may not need ntp as much. (but still going to use)
[5:15] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Do you need close-ups? The back-side of the board is really easy to get to,.
[5:15] <brianx> rtc are not even close to as good as ntp.
[5:15] <brianx> no, just the chip markings.
[5:15] <brianx> what are they?
[5:16] <Psi-Jack> Hmmmm. That'll take a few mins. I'd put it back together, but it's only three screws to take it off. ;)
[5:16] <ball> Psi-Jack: parallel then?
[5:16] <Psi-Jack> ball: Hmm?
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[5:17] <johngilbrough> Sonny_Jim, Got it all working - I had forgotten to set the pinMode to input...
[5:19] <Sonny_Jim> ;)
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[5:23] <Psi-Jack> Okay. The small chip on the main circuit side is...
[5:23] <ball> ...a potato.
[5:24] <brianx> corn
[5:24] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[5:25] <Psi-Jack> I disconnected it and brought it to my desk. Need a magnifying lense.
[5:25] <ball> Is it a 146818?
[5:25] <brianx> i'm using image processing on it. no luck still.
[5:26] <ball> Is it Geoff Hurst in the 1966 World Cup?
[5:27] <Sonny_Jim> They thought it was all over
[5:27] <Psi-Jack> ATMLH708 01B 5 FAJ4355B(8?)
[5:28] <Psi-Jack> That's the tiny chip.
[5:28] <brianx> the little 8 pin on the side opposite from everything else?
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[5:28] <Psi-Jack> The smaller one on the inside is LM2902N GK704180 V6 GK CHN
[5:29] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Yep
[5:29] <Sonny_Jim> The 2902 is a quad op-amp
[5:29] <brianx> thanks Sonny_Jim
[5:29] <Psi-Jack> That last one was the ST chip, the smaller one.
[5:30] <Psi-Jack> And the huge one is 127A0079C (C)CGI 07254EY
[5:30] <brianx> the st is a 2902?
[5:30] <Psi-Jack> The spaces are most often times new lines on the chip. JUst hard to type. ;)
[5:30] <Psi-Jack> Looks like.
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[5:32] <brianx> ok. the atml appears to be a serial eeprom
[5:32] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, that one's REALLY tiny and hard to see.
[5:33] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
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[5:34] <brianx> the 127A0079C appears to be a microchip/atmel cpu.
[5:35] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, you definitely nailed the ST LM2902.
[5:35] <Sonny_Jim> I'm not so sure about the other two
[5:36] <Sonny_Jim> The 127A0079C seems a bit mysterious
[5:36] <Psi-Jack> 24LC018 on the back is the other one, maybe.
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[5:36] <Psi-Jack> Or equivalent to what the 24LC018 is.
[5:37] <brianx> my guess is that the mysterious is the cpu.
[5:38] <Psi-Jack> Microship Serial EEPROM Memory?
[5:39] <Psi-Jack> Definitely Atmel. Seeing if I can get specific in the datasheet,
[5:39] <brianx> the atml appears to be the serial eeprom
[5:39] <brianx> no clue why this would need one though.
[5:40] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. Possibly for storage of the remotes?
[5:40] <Psi-Jack> Since they are using some rotating keycodes for the wireless ones.
[5:40] <brianx> maybe. if there's a learn process.
[5:40] <Psi-Jack> Yep
[5:40] <Psi-Jack> There is. That square purple button enables learn mode.
[5:40] <brianx> that explains the serial eeprom then.
[5:41] <brianx> the big chip has to be the cpu. it's all that;s left
[5:42] <cyanide> in ubuntu unity file copy, you can't see the filename of the file being copied (multi file copy)?!
[5:42] <cyanide> copying through gui
[5:42] <cyanide> i just see a progress bar with transfer speed and number of total files
[5:43] <brianx> Psi-Jack: the existence of a quad opamp is consistent with these guys being analog guys.
[5:44] <Psi-Jack> heh yeah.
[5:44] <Psi-Jack> Blah, that 127A0079C is pretty useless.
[5:45] <Psi-Jack> Though, it's the same manufacturer as the EEPROM, same logo on this EEPROM document: http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/21621d.pdf
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[5:45] <brianx> yes, but it's got to be a cpu. even with an exact model, there is likely no way to know much useful about it since it's going to be custom programmed anyway.
[5:46] <Psi-Jack> Heh, which is "Microchip"? Really? hehe
[5:46] <brianx> microchip bought atmel around a year ago.
[5:46] <brianx> that M logo is theirs.
[5:47] <Psi-Jack> Huh. Never knew a company named "Microchip", but it's kinda funny. :)
[5:47] <brianx> been around for ages. they're used in everything.
[5:48] <brianx> there are far more microchip processors than intel processors.
[5:48] <Psi-Jack> Definitely most of the circuit leads go to that chip though,.
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[5:48] <brianx> likely at least one order of magnitude more, possibly approaching 2.
[5:49] <brianx> the LM2902 circuit is the most interesting one.
[5:49] <Psi-Jack> The Antenna leads to the LM2902
[5:49] <brianx> but it's unlikely i'll be able to analyze it, my analog is limited.
[5:50] <brianx> really... now that is unexpected.
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[5:50] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, definitely.
[5:50] <brianx> makes sense though as there is no clear radio chip here so they're likely bitbanging radio.
[5:50] <Psi-Jack> Probably why the radio sucks. LPOL
[5:50] <kzisme> Can anyone recommend an OS for the Pi? I'm just flipping through the qsg now
[5:50] <Psi-Jack> heh
[5:50] <Psi-Jack> kzisme: Raspbian.
[5:50] <brianx> kzisme: raspbian.
[5:50] <kzisme> Figured as such
[5:51] <kzisme> Is that install-able through the noobs installer?
[5:51] <brianx> you can use others, but unless you have special needs, you probably don't need to.
[5:51] <kzisme> Nah just want ssh really
[5:51] <kzisme> I just want the base and can always switch later
[5:51] <brianx> raspbian is your ticket. and noobs can install it.
[5:51] <Sonny_Jim> ssh is disabled by default
[5:52] <Sonny_Jim> create a file named 'ssh' in boot partition
[5:52] <kzisme> I'm glad I asked :)
[5:52] <brianx> though i've never used noobs so can't specifically recommend that.
[5:52] <Psi-Jack> Sonny_Jim: What?
[5:52] <kzisme> I just figured I should follow the quick start guide
[5:52] <Sonny_Jim> Why install noobs to install raspbian when you can just install Raspbian in the same way
[5:52] <kzisme> By boot partition do you mean ~/?
[5:52] <Sonny_Jim> Well
[5:52] <Sonny_Jim> The FAT32 partition
[5:52] <kzisme> Not sure lol
[5:52] <Sonny_Jim> the one that lives at /boot
[5:52] <Psi-Jack> systemctl enable sshd
[5:53] <Psi-Jack> systemctl start sshd
[5:53] <Psi-Jack> Done...
[5:53] <Sonny_Jim> Psi-Jack: Doesn't help if you are headless ;)
[5:53] <Psi-Jack> Sure it does. You can chroot into the sdcard....
[5:53] <Psi-Jack> But technically with systemd, don't need to do that. :)
[5:53] <Sonny_Jim> Or, you could just create a blank file called 'ssh'
[5:53] <Sonny_Jim> I know which one I would find easier to explain to someone
[5:55] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Yeah, that's gotta be a custom chip. :/
[5:55] <Psi-Jack> The 127A0079C
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[5:55] <brianx> Psi-Jack: i doubt it. it's likely just a mask programmed pic.
[5:56] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[5:57] <Psi-Jack> Often manufacturers will have some obscure part number that can be referenced in-house but is virtually meaningless to the general public and to hacks who wish to reverse engineer and clone the device.
[5:57] <Psi-Jack> Re: http://www.microchip.com/forums/m182535.aspx
[5:58] <brianx> my guess is there is an oscillator built from the opamp and maybe a crystal we've not noticed yet. the oscillator would then be controlled from the pic.
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[5:59] <brianx> ahh, L1 is the tunable oscillator part.
[6:00] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Yeah, I see L1. Been scratching my head looking at it.
[6:00] <Psi-Jack> The antenna passes through that as well.
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[6:02] <brianx> there's plenty of ceramic capacitors and smt resistors on the back, i'm sure they are able to get a stable enough oscillation to get the radio to function. don't unsolder anything though... it likely needs retuning every time it's soldered.
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[6:03] <brianx> i bet they heat temper it during production to help stability.
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[6:04] <brianx> capacitors shift after being soldered. takes some hours of run time to stabilize.
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[6:05] <brianx> regardless, we know this is all analog now. that opamp pretty much proves it. closing the buttons virtually using FETs is going to be the way to operate this.
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[6:06] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
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[6:07] <brianx> if you have a spare remote, "pushing" it's buttons may be easier and more reliable.
[6:08] <Sonny_Jim> There is another way, which would be a lot of work
[6:08] <Psi-Jack> Yeah... I'm seriously considering tapping directly into the control panel. heh
[6:08] <brianx> yeah Sonny_Jim? what idea do you have?
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[6:08] <Sonny_Jim> Capture the signal with an rtlsdr dongle, then recreate the signal with gnu radio and spit it out the GPIO
[6:08] <Psi-Jack> Sonny_Jim: Idea?
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[6:08] <Sonny_Jim> The GPIO can be used as a very noisy rf transmitter
[6:08] <brianx> Sonny_Jim: it's a rotating code.
[6:09] <Psi-Jack> Oh, an SDR.
[6:09] <Sonny_Jim> https://github.com/milaq/rpi-rf
[6:09] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah exactly, like I said, a lot of work ;)
[6:09] <brianx> yeah.
[6:09] <Psi-Jack> heh
[6:09] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, that would be a huge amount of work. LOL
[6:10] <Sonny_Jim> Actually that link isn't the right one
[6:10] <brianx> making a parallel 3 button board but controlled by FETs instead of buttons is probably the most functional but not too hard.
[6:10] <Psi-Jack> Well, I have a 3-channel relay. :)
[6:10] <Sonny_Jim> https://github.com/F5OEO/rpitx
[6:10] <brianx> the easiest is "pushing" the buttons on a spare remote, but you only get the functions the remote handles.
[6:10] <Psi-Jack> I got the relay as a just-in-case measure if this was going to be pretty difficult to accomplish.
[6:11] <brianx> Psi-Jack: you could use the relay channels instead of the fets. this doesn't have to be solid state.
[6:11] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm?
[6:11] <brianx> when you build the parallel control panel, leave out the led and it's resistor.
[6:11] <Psi-Jack> Just the capacitors?
[6:12] <brianx> build an exact duplicate of the 3 button panel, but no buttons.
[6:12] <brianx> close the buttons with the relays.
[6:12] <brianx> leave out the LED and it's resistor.
[6:12] * Psi-Jack nods.
[6:12] <brianx> low tech and you don't even have to understand FETs.
[6:12] <Psi-Jack> hehe
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[6:13] <brianx> the whole thing can live up in the motor box. no need to put it out by the 3 button board.
[6:14] <brianx> that 3 terminal device in the lower left is likely a regulator. can't read the label but i'm sure it's not 3.3v so you'd have to tap into that for power and regulate that down to 3.3v.
[6:15] <Psi-Jack> Well, there's barely any room /in/ it, but on top of it more likely.
[6:15] <brianx> hopefully your 3 relay board will run on 3.3v like your esp has.
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[6:16] <brianx> not as pretty as FET, but it's time to finish this and move along.
[6:16] <brianx> relays will be plenty durable enough here.
[6:16] <ali1234> it depends whether you doing software or hardware
[6:17] <ali1234> i did it in software, the hardware was just two modules are four wires between them
[6:17] <brianx> ali1234: i rotating code radio for a garage door in software?
[6:17] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm... The 3-channel relay is... Apparently 5V. heh
[6:18] <ali1234> sure
[6:18] <brianx> ali1234: makes hardware easy.
[6:18] <ali1234> i'm better at reverse engineering algorithms than designing hardware
[6:18] <brianx> i don't think Psi-Jack has the year it would take him to learn to code that.
[6:19] <ali1234> i doubt garage door opener is really using hard crypto
[6:19] <brianx> i guess it depends on how quickly it rotates the code.
[6:19] <Sonny_Jim> If the hardware already exists and works, then I would just use that
[6:19] <HrdwrBoB> I cheated
[6:19] <brianx> you don't need hard crypto here. it's not public key, this is just tons of preshared keys.
[6:19] <HrdwrBoB> I soldered wires to the button
[6:19] <HrdwrBoB> and used a relay to 'press' it
[6:20] <ali1234> either way you can probably just clone the eeprom
[6:20] <brianx> HrdwrBoB: this is what i'm suggesting. not as elegant as a sdr or even using FETs to push buttons but it's quick.
[6:20] <Sonny_Jim> But the nerd in me would want to reverse engineer the crypto and build a transmitter using the GPIO ;)
[6:20] <HrdwrBoB> brianx: yeah, perfection being the enemy of working etc
[6:20] <brianx> the only variation is that i'm suggesting duplicating the button board (minus the LED)
[6:22] <brianx> as long as you don't have an LED on each, you can have as many of these button boards as you want.
[6:22] <HrdwrBoB> (says the man who decided to replace half his dash)
[6:22] <Psi-Jack> Well, I definitely have the right capacitors.
[6:22] <brianx> that's all it is, 2 caps.
[6:22] <brianx> and you know the circuit, you drew it.
[6:23] <Psi-Jack> Yep. heh
[6:23] <Psi-Jack> And I have a scope to test it. LOL
[6:23] <brianx> yep
[6:23] <brianx> you'll need a way to activate the relays with 3.3v though.
[6:24] <Psi-Jack> Well, yeah. It can take a pole power adapter as well.... Or screw-down clamp for bare wire.
[6:24] <brianx> NPN transistors and a few resistors does that, if you have a 5V source in there (that's probably what the 3 terminal regulator outputs)
[6:25] <Psi-Jack> Yep. there's a regulator on this board.
[6:26] <brianx> the thing in the lower left looks like one. but for all i know, it outputs 9V.
[6:26] <Psi-Jack> Kinda funny. The picture they show on the product page of this module is missing components.
[6:27] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, well, I have a 9V battery and a DC-DC Buck I can test it with anyway.
[6:28] <brianx> hopefully that regulator is 5V, just saying to check.
[6:28] <Psi-Jack> Well, definitely. :)
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[6:28] <Psi-Jack> 78L05
[6:29] <brianx> that would be 5v
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[6:29] <kzisme> Damnit - can't find any of my microSD's lol
[6:29] <kzisme> Only find the bigger ones :( - thanks for the quick answers guys I'm sure I'll have more later :P
[6:30] <brianx> your esp will need a regulator from 5v to 3.3v and you can use the very first circuit google returns for images with keywords npn transistor relay
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[6:30] <brianx> i use 2.2K resistors though.
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[6:42] <Psi-Jack> Well then.
[6:42] <Psi-Jack> When using the barrell connector to supply power to the unit, it actually needed 9V in.
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[6:46] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, 9V, mininum to opperate it this way. I'm getting 9V back out the DC+ and DC- too, so I could use a buck-down converter to feed from that if need-be.
[6:49] <brianx> "the unit" being the relay board?
[6:49] <Psi-Jack> Yes
[6:50] <brianx> the npn transistor circuit is the same for 5V or 50V relays.
[6:51] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, but I plugged it into a variable PSU adapter with the barell power socket.
[6:51] <Psi-Jack> It wouldn't opperate without 9V supplied.
[6:51] <brianx> ok
[6:51] <Psi-Jack> heh
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[6:51] <Psi-Jack> at 5V, its onboard LED actually pulsed.
[6:51] <brianx> so you'll have to tap the input to that 5V regulator probably
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[6:52] <brianx> relays are usually not very picky about their control voltage.
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[6:52] <Psi-Jack> Oh, I could power it at 9V, no problem likely. And step-down from it's DC+/- clamps to 3.3V for the ESP.
[6:52] <Psi-Jack> Yeah.. it's this board... It's odd. I think mis-advertised.
[6:53] <Psi-Jack> http://a.co/ifZVh0H
[6:53] <brianx> so get a better one. wasn't it you who posted about one from amazon...
[6:54] <brianx> those white chips are likely optos. they likely work from 3.3v.
[6:55] <brianx> no clue what that 8pin dip is though.
[6:55] <brianx> the relays themselves are clearly marked 5V.
[6:56] <Psi-Jack> Each of the screw-down clamps also go straight to the JSTs.
[6:57] <Psi-Jack> So, yeah. It's advertised as 5V, but requires 9V to power the whole board.
[6:57] <brianx> i bet there is 5V over at those blue jumpers and that you could feed in regulated 5V there to bypass their regulator.
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[6:58] <Psi-Jack> Well, there's an H/L jumper, and TRV+/VCC, and TRV-/GND jumper.
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[6:59] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, and there's another regulator on the TRV side.
[6:59] <Psi-Jack> J3Y
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[6:59] <brianx> i bet that's a transistor.
[7:00] <brianx> no clue what TRV+ means
[7:00] <Psi-Jack> Ye is an NPN
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[7:00] <Psi-Jack> But looks like you're right, does look to possibly bypass the regulator.
[7:01] <brianx> also no clue why a relay board has a 15F104E processor on it.
[7:01] <brianx> guessing you can control the whole thing from i2c.
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[7:02] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm... Well, the 5V powered it, but it wasn't flipping the relays.
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[7:04] <brianx> you'll have to look at the docs.
[7:04] <brianx> midnight here, ttyl.
[7:04] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, If I can find them. It came with none. heh
[7:04] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, 1am here, so I'll be buttoning back up my garage door soon and heading to bed myself soon.
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[8:14] <Skaag> when you connect a Pi to a PC's USB port for power, what else can you do with that connection? can you somehow connect to the Pi? (some kind of USB Networking?)
[8:14] <clever> the data lines are not connected on nearly every model of the pi
[8:16] <HrdwrBoB> ^^
[8:16] <Skaag> I use a Pi 3 B+
[8:16] <Skaag> If the data lines were connected, what would be possible, in theory?
[8:16] <HrdwrBoB> TLDR: no
[8:16] <HrdwrBoB> long version: sort of maybe it depends
[8:17] <Skaag> oh well
[8:17] <Skaag> :)
[8:17] <Skaag> wishful thinking...
[8:17] <HrdwrBoB> realistically
[8:17] <HrdwrBoB> if you have a project
[8:17] <HrdwrBoB> you need to work out your hardware requirements
[8:17] <HrdwrBoB> THEN buy hardware
[8:17] <HrdwrBoB> not the other way around :P
[8:18] <Skaag> I do have the hardware, I'm just trying to simplify the power source for the 2nd Pi
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[8:18] <HrdwrBoB> simplify the power source?
[8:18] <HrdwrBoB> just connect +5v and GND between the two pis
[8:18] <Skaag> I have a DC2DC converter which takes 12v and has a USB port on the other end, which powers one Pi
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[8:19] <Skaag> it's located in one place in my machine, and the 2nd pi is in another place (about 60cm away)
[8:19] <polprog> can it power two pis? whats the max current?
[8:19] <Skaag> yah it can
[8:20] <Skaag> gives out at least 2.5A
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[8:20] <HrdwrBoB> Skaag: is your desk not a mess of random USB cables and wires?
[8:20] <HrdwrBoB> because mine is
[8:21] <Skaag> I checked the specs again, it's 3Amps
[8:21] <Skaag> HrdwrBoB: I have a few on my desk here, yes ;-)
[8:21] <Skaag> but I have two other desks, that have way more cables than on my own personal desk ;)
[8:21] <Skaag> but this is for a machine we built
[8:22] <Skaag> I'm trying to optimize the cable situation in that machine... and potentially eliminating a USB to Ethernet dongle
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[8:26] <polprog> Skaag: you may have beter luck making your own cable then
[8:26] <Skaag> yes that's what I am going to have to do unfortunately
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[9:24] <alexandre9099> hi, is there any faster way to get the time and date faster on the RPi? sometimes it takes like 30 minutes to get the time/date right :/
[9:24] <alexandre9099> in that time period i cant open things that use ssl things (SASL irc login for example)
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[9:27] <Sonny_Jim> Shouldn't take 30 minutes
[9:27] <Sonny_Jim> Takes less than a couple of seconds on mine
[9:28] <Sonny_Jim> Double check it isn't set to a weird ntp server
[9:28] <alexandre9099> nope, it is on the global one, i checked it yesterday :/
[9:29] <alexandre9099> tryed restarting the ntp service, nothing worked :/
[9:30] <alexandre9099> isnt there any way to just set it without waiting?
[9:30] <nacelle> yes hold on
[9:30] <nacelle> i'm making a paste for you
[9:30] <nacelle> http://paste.debian.net/928297/
[9:30] <nacelle> you can also use "ntpdate" instead of "ntpd -q -g"
[9:31] <nacelle> but you have to install ntpdate to do that
[9:32] <nacelle> theres _probably_ a better way to do that, but at the moment I think thats fairly safe
[9:32] <alexandre9099> ok, i'll check if in the next reboot it works
[9:32] <nacelle> like ntpd -q -g will hang eventually and abort if it cant reach things, so it wont hold up boot forever
[9:33] <nacelle> (like if you couldnt get network or something)
[9:33] <alexandre9099> what the -q -g means?
[9:34] <nacelle> look them up in man ntpd
[9:34] <nacelle> -q is "quit after the clock is set" (one shot mode, basically)
[9:35] <nacelle> -g means "let the system jump time a LOT without panicing", so to speak
[9:35] <nacelle> instead of ntp seeing too much time moving around and freaking out
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[9:36] <alexandre9099> nacelle: thanks
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[9:37] <nacelle> if its a huge problem you can get an rtc module
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[9:37] <Skaag> alexandre9099: this is a known issue with ntpd, which is why I use ntpdate in /etc/rc.local - you wanna wait until network is available to get ntp to update your clock
[9:37] <nacelle> you want a ds3231 based rtc module
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[9:38] <nacelle> (probably)
[9:38] <nacelle> cheap and accurate and installs on the gpio pins without any real effort
[9:38] <alexandre9099> nacelle: i bought one like that, but for some reason it stoped working...
[9:38] <nacelle> ouch
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[9:39] <alexandre9099> Skaag: yea... i might just do that to see if it is better
[9:39] <alexandre9099> maybe the problem is that the RPi does not have an RTC and then when it boots the date is something like 1970 maybe :D
[9:39] <Skaag> of course
[9:39] <Skaag> that's exactly how it works
[9:39] <polprog> you can create a systemd unit/init script that runs ntpdate when connected to a network
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[9:40] <Skaag> he doesn't even have to go that far, if this is raspbian you can go to /etc/network/interfaces and add an "up" rule to his interface
[9:40] <Skaag> meaning, once the interface is up, do X
[9:40] <polprog> yeah, i just gave a generic solution
[9:40] <Skaag> where X would be ntpdate pool.ntp.org
[9:41] <Skaag> what you offered is a good solution, however many people have a hard time finding the init template and doing it properly... :-(
[9:41] <ali1234> or just run "sudo systemctl enable timesyncd"
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[9:41] <Skaag> even then, it's not guaranteed to work after the network is up
[9:41] <polprog> yes, it can be a lan for exanple
[9:42] <ali1234> ntpdate is pretty rubbish
[9:42] <polprog> wth no connection to ntp servera
[9:42] <polprog> servers*
[9:42] <ali1234> its a one shot deal
[9:42] <nacelle> ooh timesyncd is nice
[9:42] <nacelle> 10 points to ali1234
[9:43] <polprog> why the hell didnt they put an rtc and a supercap on the bloody board ;) would save so much hassle
[9:43] * polprog get his hot air gun
[9:43] <nacelle> 95% of the people running them probably dont need that
[9:43] <nacelle> ?
[9:43] <nacelle> thats my guess
[9:43] <polprog> :|
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[9:45] <drvanon> Hello, when I plugin my ethernetcable to my raspberrypi 3, I see consecutively: network arrow up, network arrow down, network arrows crossed out
[9:45] <nacelle> maybe they need "raspberry pi 3: service edition" with power button, rtc, wifi uFL jack, etc.
[9:45] <drvanon> Also when I plugin my ethernet cable to a switch, it says it does not connect
[9:45] <nacelle> i'd buy that if it was only like $10 more, and I think that could be
[9:45] <ali1234> "only $159.99"
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[10:04] <nacelle> gigE would be nice for lower latency, but now we're into higher costs and power :(
[10:04] <nacelle> then we're ?
[10:04] <nacelle> hrmm
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> morning ...
[10:08] <mfa298> polprog: nacelle, if you need a board like that then that's what the compute module is for, design your own carrier board and plug the CM in
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[10:09] <gordonDrogon> re. RTC/ time stuff. I have to say it all "just works" for me and always has. No need for ntpdate now or any other hacks in rc.local, etc.
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> $35 was (and still is) the target price. There's only so much you get for that...
[10:10] <ali1234> i can't really see the point of using the compute module unless you need two cameras
[10:10] <ali1234> the zero is a better choice
[10:11] <nacelle> quad core
[10:11] <mfa298> or you want 4 cores and Gig ram (you can't do that on zero)
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> I got the original CM with a view to using 2 cameras, however I never implemented it, but when I do (it's still a project for me), I'll use 2 x Zeros ...
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[10:12] <polprog> im not sure how to approach a project with raspi CM
[10:12] <petn-randall> nacelle: The USB2 interface would still be the bottleneck.
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> I think defining the project first would be a start ...
[10:12] <ali1234> don't. there's no way you can afford to have a board made for it
[10:12] <ali1234> and you can't make it yourself
[10:13] <nacelle> petn-randall: right, it'd be primarily for latency purposes, not the overall bandwidth
[10:13] <mfa298> you can get boards made fairly cheaply in china, although you then have some fiddly soldering
[10:13] <nacelle> most protocols dont really go at gigE even on gigE anyways, probably not a huge deal
[10:13] <ali1234> yeah you are looking at $10 for the board, then $2000 for assembly... for one
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[10:14] <polprog> ali1234: i mean, do i have to pay extra for using the CM (apary from CM's price)
[10:14] <BurtyB> and >month for delivery unless you want to add another ~$20
[10:14] <ali1234> you have to pay extra for the board you are going to plug it in to
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[10:15] <mfa298> ali1234: or assemble yourself. Unless your into the 100's level (at which point assembly makes sense) it's doable by someone willing to learn the skills
[10:16] <polprog> ali1234: thanks. i might look into that
[10:17] <ali1234> no, hand soldering an SO-DIMM connector is not possible without thousands of dollars worth of equipment
[10:17] <polprog> hmm
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[10:17] <ali1234> this is a connector with 200 pins spaced 0.6mm apart
[10:18] <mfa298> plenty of people do reflow soldering at home for well under $1000
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[10:19] <polprog> yeah, hot air/homemade reflow, good paste and go
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[10:20] <polprog> hardcore it is tho
[10:20] <mfa298> looking at a few sodimm connectors on farnell you might even do them with drag soldering, although that might take a bit of patience
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[10:30] <petn-randall> nacelle: I don't think you know what you're talking about.
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[10:49] <NedScott> It's funny that the Pi comes with this nice 40 pin GPIO header and people still bitch about the things that it doesn't have built in. That's why it has all those GPIO pins.
[10:49] <oq> petn-randall: the gigabit == lower latency thing?
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[10:53] <Sonny_Jim> NedScott: GPIO isn't that quick though
[10:53] <Sonny_Jim> Compared to something like PCI that is
[10:53] <NedScott> it is for things like an RTC
[10:53] <Sonny_Jim> or SATA
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[10:54] <Sonny_Jim> The onboard wifi/bluetooth is pretty nice, but I find it a bit boggling no RTC
[10:54] <NedScott> not me. It's easy to add if I need it, but I never have
[10:55] <Sonny_Jim> For what you pay and what you get, it's totally fine
[10:55] <mfa298> lots of people find wifi useful, not so many need an rtc
[10:55] <Sonny_Jim> Well, everybody needs to know the time
[10:55] <NedScott> I actually have an ODROID-W, the only true Pi clone (same SOC as Pi 1) and they did include an RTC. Just add a button cell. I've really needed to use it.
[10:55] <NedScott> yeah, I have a watch for that
[10:55] <Sonny_Jim> Well, I'll rephrase that, a computer really should know what the time is
[10:56] <NedScott> My Pi's are either online or being used in a situation where knowing the time doesn't matter
[10:56] <Sonny_Jim> I suppose the reasoning is that if it never needs to talk to something else, then the time doesn't matter
[10:56] <Sonny_Jim> natch
[10:56] <mfa298> well rtc is easy for an end user to add via gpio, wifi isn't so easy (unless you want to use some of that usb bandwidth)
[10:56] <Sonny_Jim> And if you are talking to another computer, you can just ask them the time
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[11:00] <mfa298> agreed with Sonny_Jim you only need an RTC is the Pi isn't network connected *and* it needs to know the time.
[11:00] <mfa298> and if you have a set of network connected pi's that can't ntp to the internet you only need 1 or 2 of them to have rtcs (the others can ntp to the ones with rtcs)
[11:01] <mfa298> even the one thing I did work on where the Pi needed time and wasnt on a network I didn't need a specific RTC - I had a GPS in that which would provide accurate time
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[11:30] <GyroW> what are those laser light sensor thingys like they are in spy movies?
[11:34] <Sonny_Jim> Lasers?
[11:34] <strixUK> nacelle- the faster bit time of gig ethernet is probably offset by the increased latency of gig transceivers. haven't tested that out, and very much depends on the transceivers used... but latency in those things (used to be) pretty high - especially over copper. i guess much depends on the quality of the 100 Mb/s implementation also, so..
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[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> ugh, network over copper
[11:35] <GyroW> but like specifically for detecting when they're broken
[11:35] <Sonny_Jim> Light sensitive resistor?
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> we had a problem with huge data corruption over copper
[11:35] <strixUK> mfa298: reflowing BGAs is an acquired skill...
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> GyroW: you mean... detecting when a beam is broken?
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> it's pretty trivial
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[11:46] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Is there anyone who doesn't run screaming when I mention i2s clocks? :D
[11:49] <strixUK> well, i'm a hardware geek so, not me?
[11:49] <strixUK> (though i've no familiarity with that particular protocol, i assume it's similar in nature to i2c but for streamed audio)
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[11:51] <Gadgetoid_Pim> Haha, well that's one way to look at it :D
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[11:59] <strixUK> i can't see why i2s clocks should be problematic, but then i'm used to working with FPGAs. connect the clock and data to the applicable flop pins, and be happy. doing it in software..
[12:00] <strixUK> well, i guess you'll be oversampling which i can see might be a bit of 'fun', especially if you have any significant degree of ringing on the clock pin
[12:01] <strixUK> (simplest, but not necessarily most efficient fix for that is probably to do what RS232 does: oversample x16, find an edge, count 8 samples in and then use every 16th sample)
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[12:29] <CHRiSNEW> is there a guide how to debug the raspberry pi 3 boot process? I’m stuck on a black screen :(
[12:29] <Sonny_Jim> the LEDs are normally the first thing to look at
[12:29] <Sonny_Jim> CHRiSNEW: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
[12:30] <CHRiSNEW> green flashes two to three times, but in a distinct pattern
[12:31] <strixUK> how important is it to do a shutdown on a pi? I'd have assumed it's just as important as on desktop and server Linux installations, but wonder how often people _actually_ do a proper shutdown?
[12:32] <Sonny_Jim> CHRiSNEW: Is it two times or three times?
[12:33] <CHRiSNEW> Sonny_Jim, just a sec. I’ll try again
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[12:35] <CHRiSNEW> Sonny_Jim, just two times
[12:38] <CHRiSNEW> I updated the kernel yesterday and something broke. I actually wanted to compile an aarch64 kernel. It didn’t work. Then I wanted to rollback which succeeded first, but then after fiddling the evening around I landed to the same result again
[12:38] <CHRiSNEW> So I’m wondering if there’s a way to get more debug details
[12:39] <ShorTie> 1969-12-31 20:00, all my files are at the beginning of time .. :/~
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[12:41] <polprog> strixUK: i try to use sudo halt when possible
[12:41] <strixUK> ShorTie: i guess you need to ensure that ntpdate or similar is run at every boot, if you have a network connection. if not, then an RTC add-on?
[12:41] <strixUK> polprog: yeah, thought that would be wise. thanks.
[12:42] <DFrostedWang> I just let my pi crash most of the time
[12:42] <strixUK> journaling filesystems are all well and good, but aren't a substitute for proper procedure
[12:42] <DFrostedWang> "let", I should say
[12:42] <CHRiSNEW> strixUK, I always shutdown using systemctl poweroff for example. I once had my sd card corrupted by an unfinished write
[12:42] <strixUK> DFrostedWang: my guess is that most of the time, it probably won't hurt. but perhaps you don't want to find out the hard way when it really does ;)
[12:42] <ShorTie> ya, gotta do sumfin
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[12:43] <strixUK> CHRiSNEW: doesn't surprise me :(
[12:43] <humbot> mmm, crush muh pie
[12:43] <DFrostedWang> Mine's a read-only system for the most part
[12:43] <DFrostedWang> so not a big deal
[12:43] <DFrostedWang> it's almost never writing anything important
[12:44] <strixUK> ShorTie: ntpdate etc is easy and simple if you have a network connection. use an if-up hook to run it, perhaps. i've not yet looked into what 'conventional' options there are in the pi realm.
[12:44] <ShorTie> and some files don't even get a date, lol
[12:44] <strixUK> every file has a date
[12:44] <strixUK> ls doesn't output the day and month if the mtime is close to the current time
[12:44] <strixUK> there is a flag to override that
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[12:46] <ShorTie> my initd doesn't per windows
[12:50] <johngilbrough> 'Morning from Florida :) Is anyone aware of an affordable *line* camera that works with the Raspberry 3?
[12:50] <ShorTie> what is a '*line* camera' ??
[12:51] <HrdwrBoB> the official rbpi camera doesn't do it for you?
[12:51] <johngilbrough> One-dimensioned, eg, 1x512 pixels. Used for when one is scanning across an assembly line, etc.
[12:51] <HrdwrBoB> interesting
[12:52] <HrdwrBoB> well.. any usb camera that works in linux should in theory work on rbpi
[12:53] <ShorTie> you got a link to 1 of those you already use ??
[12:53] <johngilbrough> I've tried using the regular camera and ignoring all but a single row, but that's costly processing-wise.
[12:54] <mnemonic> wow, it it usefull to make a portable scanner for documents, i could try it
[12:54] <johngilbrough> And what's "rbpi"?
[12:54] <immibis> rasp berry pi
[12:54] <HrdwrBoB> johngilbrough: it's not obvious from context?
[12:55] <brainzap> does ffmpeg need the gpu and its ram
[12:56] <mnemonic> btw, i saw in some place about the correct nomeclature is "rpi", not "rbpi", but yes, it is obvious :D
[12:56] <brainzap> because I planned on limiting it to 16MB ram, but maybe ffmpeg needs more?
[12:57] <immibis> i haven't heard of ffmpeg using the gpu
[12:57] <immibis> looks like if you don't use -hwaccel then it won't
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[12:59] <mfa298> strixUK: by default raspbian runs ntpd so you don't need to do anything if you have a network connection to get accurate time.
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[13:01] <strixUK> mfa298: cool. ntpd normally rate-limits drift correction (which is reasonable when an RTC is available); does the default install do a one-shot reset before ntpd proceeds as normal? or is rate limiting disabled?
[13:01] <strixUK> if there's a one-shot reset, that might fail if the network link isn't up yet
[13:02] <mfa298> not sure, but I've never noticed much issue with the time on my Pis
[13:02] <strixUK> cool
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[13:02] <mfa298> most of the Pis stay on though with the occasional reboot / poweroff when playing with hardware
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[13:04] <strixUK> mfa298: i expect that to be the case with my pi once i've finished fooling around setting it up
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[13:09] <immibis> note ntpd will refuse to start if the initial time is more than 1000s off, that may or may not be important. I think you can pass -g to disable that behaviour
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[13:11] <clever> immibis: and raspbian will also save the clock on shutdown, and restore it on bootup, so it will be in the general ballpark
[13:12] <mfa298> immibis: I've not seen any issue on raspbian with ntpd starting when it's been off for few hours/days/weeks
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[13:12] <clever> mfa298: you can also check the ntpd status with "ntpq -pn"
[13:12] <mfa298> I suspect most OSes have something in place (ntpdate or -g) to ensure it starts
[13:12] <Gadgetoid_Pim> strixUK it's more how the Pi handles its i2s clock that seems to be problematic, or perhaps not, the whole linux audio stack is a hideous confusing mess :D
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[13:12] <clever> mfa298: in my case, i'm seeing an offset of 0.664 against the *'d host (the one ntpd has chosen)
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[13:13] <mfa298> clever: I've been using ntpd for a long time - I know how to use it
[13:13] <clever> ah
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[13:18] <mfa298> from memory offset probably shouldn't matter too much, high jitter is more likely to be an issue.
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[14:14] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm that's pretty awesome to see. Razer devices actually having opensource drivers, and tools for configuration, readilly available and actively developed.
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[14:26] <leftyfb> Psi-Jack: open source drivers are only good when they actually work
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[14:28] <leftyfb> Psi-Jack: I was recently just helping a friend of mine deal with drivers on a brand new razer blade stealth. Without the drivers, hitting caps lock on and off would display garbage on the monitor and lock up the machine...
[14:28] <leftyfb> with the OSS drivers, it would do that less
[14:29] <leftyfb> the fancy color keyboard didn't work with all the modes
[14:29] <leftyfb> in the end, we ended up returning the laptop because a known issue with flex in the chassis from being on your lap would render the touchpad useless
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[14:53] <Psi-Jack> leftyfb: Yes, I realize this. It's just before, they didn't have /anything/. When I actually had Razer stuff, they had nothing.
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[14:54] <Psi-Jack> leftyfb: In fact, because they had nothing I went with a Logitech G-device approach, and that actually turned out great for a while... Until that project suddenly COMPLETELY vanished because the developer didn't backup their stuff, and lost it all. And never recovered it.
[14:55] <Psi-Jack> Gnome15, at least, was dead for over 1 year.
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[14:56] <Psi-Jack> Course, now that it's back, the G19 keyboard doesn't even have a product page on Logitech's site anymore. heh
[14:57] <Psi-Jack> I used that keyboard to death. But still works if I wanted to use it. Could run a dedicated X server in the keyboards OLED display screen, and do stuff with it. Very impressive.
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[14:59] <HrdwrBoB> hrm
[14:59] <HrdwrBoB> looking at an LHT00SU1
[15:00] <HrdwrBoB> Psi-Jack: haha, I ran a G15 BITD
[15:00] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[15:00] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, the G15's what started the Gnome15 project itself. :)
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[15:14] <kooldavi> hi. i flashed the newest release of raspbian (2017-04-10) to my rpi3, but there is an issue with the wlan driver (i think). the wlan0 card is not shown. neither with ifconfig -a, nor with iwlist. i reloaded the driver (brcmfmac) but nothing changed. dmesg didn't show an error. does anyone know what i can try else?
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[15:14] <kooldavi> under lsusb the adapter is not listed, too (i'm not sure if it has to be..)
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[15:23] <BurtyB> kooldavi, it wouldn't normally show up under lsusb
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[15:29] <Sonny_Jim> kooldavi: Nothing indicative in dmesg?
[15:30] <Sonny_Jim> Not accidentally logged into something else?
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[15:32] <kooldavi> Sonny_Jim, here's the log. https://pastebin.com/rGUELsRt maybe you find something..
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[15:35] <kooldavi> Sonny_Jim, i use the lite image. can this maybe cause the problems?
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[15:36] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[15:36] <Sonny_Jim> Don't think so
[15:36] <Sonny_Jim> It's weird as I see some wireless stuff in that log
[15:37] <Sonny_Jim> ifconfig -a just shows eth0, right?
[15:37] <kooldavi> Sonny_Jim, yes, that's confusing me too
[15:37] <Sonny_Jim> Well, and loopback
[15:37] <kooldavi> and lo, yes
[15:37] <Sonny_Jim> Was wifi working before?
[15:38] <kooldavi> no, i flashed the image just an hour ago
[15:38] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, has wifi worked on this Pi before?
[15:39] <Sonny_Jim> And you are sure it's actually a Pi3?
[15:39] <pksato> it is a new rpi? first use?
[15:40] <kooldavi> yes, i am sure :D i used it some months ago. i'm not sure if i ever have used the wifi..
[15:40] <Sonny_Jim> Because Pi2 and Pi3 can be similar visually
[15:40] <kooldavi> yes, i know
[15:41] <Sonny_Jim> Could you paste the output of /proc/cpuinfo somewhere?
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[15:42] <clever> kooldavi: http://raspi.tv/2017/new-raspberry-pi-family-photo-28-feb-2017
[15:43] <kooldavi> omg that's awkward. it realy is a rpi2 -.- it layed at the place my pi3 should lay. i think someone of my colleges mislaid the pi
[15:45] <Sonny_Jim> ;)
[15:45] <kooldavi> thank's for your help. next time i'll read the inscription, before i get desperate :D
[15:46] <Sonny_Jim> No problem, I just did similar running ifconfig -a on my pi2 wondering where the wlan0 was :)
[15:46] <kooldavi> :)
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[16:07] <Psi-Jack> Noice.. Got my MQTT message parser ready for use in my ESP8266 code. :D
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[16:18] <pwillard> fun stuff MQTT
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[16:21] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I'm just a little worried with the way Homebridge does its MQTT stuff. Subscribing to homebridge/from/set basically gets /everything/, and that seems to be the only way to listen for commands from it.
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[16:25] <Psi-Jack> Furthermore, though, actually having to parse JSON just to get the action state alone is kind of expensive. heh
[16:25] <shauno> no kidding. I've completely avoided json on mine, because string-slinging in C makes me cry
[16:25] <Psi-Jack> heh
[16:26] <Psi-Jack> There's ArduinoJson that simplifies it, somewhat, but it's still having to convert byte to char, and strcmp that char with a string, in order to actually see if it's even FOR the device itself.
[16:27] <Psi-Jack> I've gotten the basics working, at least receiving the intended command state to go to, like opening the garage door, or closing it.
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[16:28] <shauno> I use vendor/identifier/value/{set|get} on mine. much easier to handle on microcontrollers
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> you could do it all in basic - left$, mid$, right$ for strings ;-)
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[16:38] <shauno> anyway. today's mission .. track down one single cable that I put "somewhere safe".
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[16:40] <Sonny_Jim> It'll be in the last place you look
[16:40] <Sonny_Jim> Because you'd be an idiot to carry on looking for it after your found it
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[16:44] <shauno> this is why I can't stand the concept of "tidying". once things get put "away", they're gone.
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[16:49] <clever> and this is why i'm surrounded by computers and spare parts
[16:49] <clever> within arms reach of my chair, i have 1 desktop, 1 server, 2 netbooks, 4 monitors, a tablet, and a pile of ram
[16:49] <clever> i cant even get to the closet anymore
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[16:50] <Psi-Jack> shauno: Yeah, but you don't use Homebridge, do you?
[16:50] <shauno> my desk isn't much better. but I put an optical cable somewhere safe, because if it joins the cable-ckthulu it'll get snapped
[16:51] <shauno> Psi-Jack, nah. a little of node-red, but mostly just scripts I've hacked together myself
[16:51] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. Heh
[16:51] <shauno> I looked at HAB, homebridge, etc, and they're all so monstrously large I can't figure out what they're doing.
[16:51] <Psi-Jack> Homebridge is the thing that uses 'homebridge/to/set' to set, and 'homebridge/from/set' to receive.
[16:51] <Psi-Jack> I haven'
[16:52] <Psi-Jack> I haven't gotten OpenHAB2's Homekit bridge to even work.
[16:52] <Psi-Jack> It shows up, but can't add it to my Home.
[16:53] <shauno> I just use homekit2mqtt ( https://github.com/hobbyquaker/homekit2mqtt )
[16:54] <shauno> this is why I avoid these huge opaque projects. they add a lot of complexity, for little gain, and never seem to work as advertised. and everything is just layers upon layers upon layers
[16:55] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm...
[16:55] <Psi-Jack> I will check into that
[16:55] <shauno> I just have one mqtt queue, and a bunch of unconnected components that can dip into it as needed. but they only communicate with each other through mqtt, so there's no need for an overarching 'platform'
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[16:57] <Psi-Jack> Nice. Definitely going to check into that. I like the complexity of homebridge, but hate it at the same time.
[16:58] <Psi-Jack> All I want is homekit working and integration capabilities with other things like a dedicated tablet for example.
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[17:04] <shauno> homekit's actually worked out quite nicely on mine, but I'm trying to keep it "a nice gimmick, that I don't rely on"
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[17:07] <shauno> but she's on android, which helps keep that in check. if anything actually depends on my phone, I get told off
[17:07] <Psi-Jack> heh
[17:08] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, my wife and I both use Apple iDevices primarily. I have a few Android tabs, but I just don't use them... Android is just so bleh, slow and insecure as heck.
[17:08] <shauno> a reasonably usable dashboard in node-red keeps that easy though
[17:09] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I've looked into node-red, but haven't run it yet.
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[17:12] <Psi-Jack> Welp, here goes homekit2mqtt.
[17:12] <Chillum> lulz
[17:13] <Psi-Jack> Definitely like that it's using all the stuff from HAP-NodeJS
[17:13] <Chillum> "Apple: secure as heck!"
[17:13] <Chillum> depending on how to define heck
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[17:14] <Psi-Jack> Apple has a really good track record for handling security issues, fixing them extremely quickly, and furthermore, standing their ground on encryption.
[17:15] <Chillum> except for the part where the retain greater access to your device than you do
[17:15] <shauno> I really try to avoid platform tribalism on stuff like that. why take sides, if either of them wins, users lose. users benefit from competition, not domination
[17:15] <Chillum> they are secure like a prison
[17:17] <Psi-Jack> Chillum: Except... That they don't have /any/ control...
[17:17] <Chillum> they use the front door
[17:17] <Chillum> it is like a backdoor, but more shameless
[17:18] <Chillum> they can remotely disable, reset to factor, install applications with any permissions
[17:18] <Chillum> all with your permission, since you agreed to their TOS
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[17:25] <Sonny_Jim> Meh, Apple have reached their peak
[17:26] <Sonny_Jim> iPads, iPhones no longer have any USP, Macbooks suck
[17:27] <Chillum> turns out people want to have more control over their electronics than the people who sold it to them
[17:27] <Sonny_Jim> They don't really have a foothold in desktop or server, so _shrug_
[17:27] <Sonny_Jim> Nah, people don't care about control, they want shiny and they want it cheap
[17:28] <Chillum> well apple and those people at least help create the smart phone market and drove down the cost of parts to the point where it could explode to many options
[17:28] <Chillum> tiny IMUs and storage devices and touch screens
[17:28] <shauno> well, they certainly gave android something better than the blackberry to copy from
[17:28] * SpeedEvil wishes openmoko hadn't been retarded.
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?t=48734&start=40#p1879299 - a rant written near the time.
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[17:30] <SpeedEvil> They could have had a working X/linux basic phone out in xmas 2007 that would have sold a moderate amount.
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[17:31] <Chillum> I remember the openmoko
[17:31] <Chillum> to this day I am glad I did not buy one
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[17:31] <Chillum> I really though about buying one
[17:31] <shauno> I thought Nokia tried that with Maemo
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> I bought one. It could in principle have been a decent dev platform with a tiny amount of hardware fixes
[17:31] <Chillum> "Linux on a portable device??? WoW!"
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> (the first version)
[17:32] <RajRajRaj> Chillum: hmm
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> N900/maemo was a decent attempt, but due to internal nokia politics was never actually pushed at all.
[17:32] <Chillum> amazing even 10 years ago something like the pi was something wanted soooo badly
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> I have one of the very few n950s
[17:33] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah the N900 was pretty cool
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> (n900, slimmer, aluminium case, better hardware (software so locked down, it's a much less interesting platform))
[17:33] <Sonny_Jim> Shame about the microUSB connector, everything else about it was pretty schpick
[17:33] <Sonny_Jim> The messenging app was superb, combined _everything_ into one app, rather than one for messenger, one for skype, one for sms etc
[17:34] <Sonny_Jim> Apples big problem at the moment is that people are wising up to their game
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> openmoko was trying to do polished hardware and software on a ridculously small shoestring.
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[17:34] <Sonny_Jim> 'Hey we just made it 2" bigger' then a year later 'Hey we just made it 2" smaller!'
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> And reluctant to simply sell it as what it actually could reasonably have been made - a featurephone with X and linux and the ability to run and code arbitrary apps.
[17:35] <Sonny_Jim> And their storage is a joke, it doesn't cost hundreds of dollars to add 16GB worth of space
[17:35] <Chillum> lol remember the tiny little hard drives used back then?
[17:35] <clever> Sonny_Jim: and headphone ports
[17:35] <Chillum> with spinning platters and everything
[17:35] <Sonny_Jim> Exactly
[17:35] <Chillum> glad those did not last
[17:36] <Sonny_Jim> I know quite a few Apple diehards who have finally admitted to themselves 'Actually, what exactly am I paying the premium for?'
[17:36] <shauno> I still have some of those microdrives around
[17:38] <shauno> for quite a while they were the most economical way to put a 4-8GB CF in a camera
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> Only
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> they were conisderably larger than flash drives for a while
[17:39] <RajRajRaj> Some companies still use magnetic tape
[17:39] <Chillum> magnetic tape is a fine storage medium
[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> For long term backup, is there any other choice
[17:39] <Chillum> it has benefited from many of the advances in magnetic storage so it has scaled nicely
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[17:39] <SpeedEvil> Sonny_Jim: punched card.
[17:39] <petn-randall> Chiseling into stone has a quite good MTBF.
[17:39] <Chillum> well, Amazon has found it cheaper to use many really cheap hard drives
[17:40] <Sonny_Jim> That's promoting violence against paper based products!
[17:40] <Chillum> my buddy worked for their iceburg storage system
[17:40] <Chillum> they use all kinds of unwanted drives of different sizes
[17:40] <Chillum> drives which spend most of their time in storage boxes
[17:41] <Viper168> that is my approach but because broke
[17:41] <Psi-Jack> Well, so far so good with the homekit2mqtt. It's working, paired, and has my same accessories I matched configuration for.
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[17:43] <shauno> only gotcha I've found with it so far, is it seems to benefit from being killed every week or two
[17:44] <shauno> oh, and I still haven't quite figured out the math to convert between the colourspace homekit uses for rgb lights, and the colourspace philips-hue uses
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[17:44] <shauno> the math I have works perfectly in my head, but is various shades of pink in reality :/
[17:45] <Psi-Jack> shauno: Eh, heh. Not a big thing. But, killing every week or two, hmmm. Found any way to detect that situation automatically?
[17:46] <shauno> I haven't looked into it that far yet. I just have cron go around with a big whacky hammer in the wee hours of sundays
[17:47] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[17:47] <Psi-Jack> Well, I will see what I can see then.
[17:47] <Psi-Jack> What symptoms do you notice as to how you saw this issue?
[17:48] <Psi-Jack> Unresponsive/No Response status from homekit or something in particular?
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[17:48] <shauno> the UI will claim my accessories aren't responding, but if I want the mqtt queue, it's not writing anything into it
[17:48] <Psi-Jack> Ahhhh.. That's useful. :)
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[17:50] <shauno> so, eg, to turn a light off it'll do hue/blahblah/set/on false, and hue-mqtt will reply hue/blahblah/get/on false when the action's actually occurred
[17:50] <shauno> but when it's got bored of life, it'll just never write that set/on at all, then complain when there's no reply
[17:52] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, that should be fairly easy to fix, in the code as well. When I start seeing these problems, I'll look into fixing it.
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[17:55] <shauno> another fun one to look at is mqttwarn, which is really quite flexible for sending actions (mostly notifications) to a lot of different systems, based on rules you set
[17:57] <shauno> I mostly have simple stuff like getting an email if the temperature gets low enough that I should be concerned that my thermostat (or heating) is misbehaving, etc
[17:57] <Psi-Jack> Heh, nice.
[17:58] <Psi-Jack> I just updated my code to my ESP8266 with the new topics at least.
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[17:59] <Psi-Jack> And, it's gooood!
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[18:08] <gordonDrogon> microdrives? what's this, nostalgia day or soemthing?
[18:09] <shauno> they're not /that/ bad. I only replaced that camera last year
[18:09] <polprog> they are cute
[18:09] <polprog> :)
[18:09] <shauno> new one's even better .. it uses all the sdcards my pi2 made redundant :)
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[18:34] <Psi-Jack> Blah, one thing I'm hating about PubSubClient is that it wants the callback function's payload to be byte. Which is annoying as heck. heh
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[19:31] <astor> Anyone with a znc server know why log module commands aren't working
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[19:43] <localhorse> hey, what's a similar computer to rpi but with x86 cpu?
[19:44] <ShorTie> ain't none
[19:44] <localhorse> UDOO?
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[19:52] <freedwhayt> anyone experienced 'd' state problems on RPI3 ? raspbian + kodi installed. Maybe libcec related ?
[19:52] * Pennth chomping at the bit for a server shutdown to begin, starts opening the box on a mini black hat hack3r
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[19:56] <freedwhayt> reboot over ssh becomes impossible, first 'd' state affected is kworker process
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[20:41] <dtype> localhorse didn't stick around very long for answers
[20:42] <dtype> IRC speed. :)
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[20:46] <mlelstv> 140 chars are good enough for everyone
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[20:51] <dtype> and there are plenty of x86 pi like boards. easiest direction is upwards with atom that are pricier and slightly bigger
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[20:55] <LunaSela> Hi. Does anybody know whether composite out is supported on RPi with vanilla kernel? Doing some vanilla kernel experiments with my 2B model and as soon VC4 drm gets loaded, the screen turns black.
[20:56] <Habbie> LunaSela, yes, it should be supported with vanilla kernel, i did it a few weeks ago with console and also x11
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[20:58] <LunaSela> Habbie: any hints whar could go wrong? Which kernel version did you use?
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[20:58] <oq> LunaSela: is this in noobs?
[20:58] <Habbie> LunaSela, i have no idea what kernel version i used; as for hints, check your config.txt for relevant setting, and make sure your cabling is actually ok
[20:59] <Habbie> LunaSela, the part i didn't mention is that my display was rotating in every direction (but still recognisable as the raspbian desktop) because my cable was wired wrong
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[20:59] <LunaSela> oq: Debian Stretch with self compiled kernel. But the screen blanks before init when the VC4 is compiled in. If I build vc4 as a module, it blanks as soon as I do an insmod
[20:59] <Habbie> i thought you said vanilla
[21:00] <LunaSela> vanilla kernel
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[21:00] <LunaSela> Kernel from kernel.org (4.10.10) with "default" config for Raspberry
[21:01] <LunaSela> Cabling should be ok. Display is ok until vc4 gets loaded
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[21:01] <Habbie> sorry
[21:01] <Habbie> calling that vanilla is confusing
[21:02] <Habbie> when you say vanilla i assume you just got a raspbian kernel via apt-get
[21:02] <Habbie> i might be technically wrong but i think it's confusing
[21:02] <Habbie> i agree your cabling is ok then
[21:02] <LunaSela> ok then let's say "mainline" kernel
[21:02] <Habbie> better
[21:02] <Habbie> in general i would use more than just one word to be sure :)
[21:02] <Habbie> did you try with the stock raspbian kernel?
[21:03] <Habbie> (oh there's the word that's distinct from vanilla - stock :)
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[21:03] <Habbie> (and to be clear i meant 'stock' when i said it worked for me on 'vanilla')
[21:03] <LunaSela> Yes. The Raspian supplied kernel works.
[21:03] <Habbie> ok
[21:03] <Habbie> at least now your problem statement is clear (to me ;) )
[21:04] <LunaSela> My HDMI->DVI adapter is hiding somewhere at the moment so I cannot test HDMI on mainline just now
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