#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2017-04-21

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[0:20] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
[0:22] <Psi-Jack> Well, took apart the garage door again, this time the bottom side, so I could see the limit switches, and sure enough, there they are in all their glory. The yellow line is 5V, the brown and grey are basically nothing. But the gray line ties all the way to the motor itself, then probably loops back around to the logic board from there. Grey and Yellow end up producing a 5V current.
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[0:24] <Psi-Jack> And it's Grey/Yellow when open. Brown when closed.
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[0:24] <Psi-Jack> Well, Brown/Grey when closed.
[0:25] <brianx> so gray has to be the common power line.
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[0:28] <Psi-Jack> So I could possible vampire off those two to get my 5V? Hehe
[0:29] <brianx> anyway, connect 3 1K resistors together in a string, connect that between yellow and ground then connect between the junction 2nd closest to yellow to the esp's gpio forming a voltage divider. do the same with brown.
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[0:31] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm interesting
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[0:31] <Psi-Jack> Specifically 3 1k resistors?
[0:32] <brianx> yes, 3 1k resistors.
[0:32] <Psi-Jack> What would that do?
[0:33] <brianx> you can use 1.2K or even 1.5K, but much bigger than that and you're starting to drop the current too low.
[0:33] <brianx> it makes a voltage divider to make the signal compatible to your esp.
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[0:35] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. I see. Drops it down to about 3.3V or less?
[0:35] <brianx> yes. the exact value will depend on the pulldown they used in their part of the circuit.
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[0:37] <Psi-Jack> Yellow and ground. To the esp ground?
[0:40] <brianx> ground has to be common everywhere.
[0:40] <brianx> it goes: ground -- 1K -- 1K ---GPIO--- 1K -- yellow.
[0:42] <brianx> this is signal ground, you can pick that up at the center pin of the 7805 regulator.
[0:42] <brianx> chassis ground may work with the multimeter but isn't used here. chassis ground being like the case and the outside of the motor.
[0:43] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh. I see what you mean.
[0:43] <brianx> off to dinner. later.
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[0:51] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, interesting.
[0:52] <Psi-Jack> I just learned something new about the ESP8266's GPIO digital pins. It /can/ accept up to 6V, and snap back to 5.8V As in, it is 5V tolerant.
[0:52] <Psi-Jack> That said, of course, the digital pins will actually read HIGH when 3.6V and up is achieved.
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[0:53] <brianx> it's more like 1.9v and up is high.
[0:53] <Psi-Jack> True. heh
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[0:57] <Psi-Jack> Course, that 6V tolerant is for the Espressive modules specifically.
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[1:15] <Psi-Jack> Wow.. ESP-32's on Aliexpress you can now get devboards for just under $7
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[1:23] <Psi-Jack> One thing I really like about the ESP-32 is the ability to use any GPIO as AIO or DIO.
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[1:27] <LexEither> I picked up a ESP for $3 on ebay
[1:27] <Psi-Jack> ESP-8266, or ESP-32?
[1:27] <LexEither> ecunode
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[1:28] <LexEither> oh i see so whats the diffrence
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[1:29] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. quite a bit. :)
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[1:31] <LexEither> whats the max clock speed on a esp-32?
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[1:31] <Psi-Jack> It's 240 MHz dual-core.
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[1:32] <LexEither> nice ill have to get one
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[1:33] <Psi-Jack> heh yeah. I have one, currently.
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[1:35] <Psi-Jack> The only thing I hate about the ESP-32 devmodule I have now is that it's too freaking wide to be useful on a standard breadboard. Have to pair it up with another breadboard, removing the power leads between them.
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[1:38] <brianx> for my oversize modules, i flip them upside down and print a label that matches the pins and push it down onto the pins.
[1:39] <Psi-Jack> Heh
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[1:40] <[Saint]> speaking of modules...
[1:41] <[Saint]> Linux mainline is refusing to load any of mine.
[1:41] <[Saint]> WHich is...."fun", because without ecryptfs loading, I'm basically screwed.
[1:41] <Psi-Jack> Ewwww.. ecryptfs...
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[1:42] <[Saint]> What's wrong with ecryptfs?
[1:42] <Psi-Jack> Umm.. It's horrible and not really at all secure?
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[1:43] <[Saint]> Cool story, with very little basis in reality.
[1:43] <Psi-Jack> Look it up.
[1:43] <Psi-Jack> It's based on facts you can find. :)
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[1:43] <[Saint]> I'm aware of what you're speaking of, but for any of the vectors to be a realistic concern, you've got much wider issues.
[1:43] <[Saint]> It's like caring about the door lock being busted when you have no walls.
[1:44] <Psi-Jack> Umm.. OKay, wow.
[1:44] <leftyfb> nothing wrong with ecryptfs
[1:45] <Psi-Jack> leftyfb: Besides that fact the keys are readilly accessible? ;)
[1:45] <Psi-Jack> On the disk.
[1:45] <leftyfb> Psi-Jack: do you have something better besides setting your computer on fire and tossing it into a river?
[1:45] <[Saint]> If you've screwed up access controls so badly that someone can actually get to those keys....
[1:45] * Psi-Jack scratches his head.
[1:45] <[Saint]> As I said above.
[1:45] <Psi-Jack> [Saint]: All it takes is too.
[1:45] <Psi-Jack> root*
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[1:46] <[Saint]> WHich shouldn't ever happen on a properly configured system.
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[1:46] <leftyfb> if they've got root on your computer .... you're well passed your encrypted drive/partition
[1:46] <[Saint]> But I wouldn't expect people who make such claims to actually _have_ one of those.
[1:46] <[Saint]> leftyfb: precisely, as I alluded to above.
[1:46] <Psi-Jack> so, I go to your house, take your HDD, and decrypt it. It protects against literally nothing.
[1:47] <leftyfb> uh
[1:47] <leftyfb> the keys aren't stored anywhere you can get to by plugging the drive into another machine
[1:47] <Psi-Jack> leftyfb: Yes, actually, they are.
[1:47] <leftyfb> my laptops entire root fs is encrypted
[1:48] <leftyfb> there's no other partitions
[1:48] <Psi-Jack> That's not eCryptFS. :)
[1:48] <Psi-Jack> That would be LUKS. Which is actually more secure by design.
[1:48] <[Saint]> LUKS FDE and ecryptfs are not mutually exclusive components my dear.
[1:48] <leftyfb> oh, right
[1:48] <Psi-Jack> Pardon?
[1:49] <[Saint]> Did I stutter?
[1:49] <Psi-Jack> LUKS and eCryptFS are /completely/ different...
[1:49] <[Saint]> Please show me where I said otherwise.
[1:49] <[Saint]> Or are you too dense to define either mutual or exclusive?
[1:49] <Psi-Jack> ... I think I'm tired of your ignorance.
[1:50] <Psi-Jack> And attitude..
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[1:50] <[Saint]> I shall weep for my loss.
[1:50] <[Saint]> WHatever shall I do with myself now?
[1:50] <Psi-Jack> Perhaps... Grow up some day, sooner the better. :)
[1:51] <[Saint]> Perhaps learn some basic English reading comprehension skills.
[1:51] <leftyfb> now now
[1:51] <leftyfb> we're all on the same team here
[1:51] <[Saint]> I sincerely doubt that.
[1:52] <leftyfb> team raspberry pi :)
[1:52] <[Saint]> #odroidmasterrace :p
[1:52] <leftyfb> :P
[1:54] <[Saint]> In general, I just dislike getting railed on by someone who hasn't taken the time to, or doesn't have the skill to, parse basic English language sentences and tries to insert their own definition or context based on assumed tone or a specific agenda.
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[1:59] <[Saint]> And, while he's not necessarily wrong - I think any "exploit" that starts with "needs physic access or remote access with UID0" is basically a non-starter.
[1:59] <[Saint]> Though I would argue that getting my encrypted keys still isn't that useful.
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[2:00] <[Saint]> It's not like one can just do:
[2:00] <[Saint]> cat /dev/stupid/ecryptfs-plain-text-passphrase
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[2:02] <[Saint]> These days I think you need to go out of your way to just have ecryptfs deployed with only FEK and not FEKEK.
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[2:30] <TotemFellatio> hello guys. I have a Raspberry PI 3 model b without an sd card. Can i make my Windows pc recognize and use it's lan port? Mine just got fried
[2:31] <TotemFellatio> through usb or some other magic connection
[2:31] <brianx> not easily.
[2:31] <TotemFellatio> if it was easy i'd already found it on google amiright hahaha
[2:32] <brianx> you need an sd card to set the flag that makes it even possible.
[2:32] <TotemFellatio> i really need it? there is no way to let it see the card without an OS on it?
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[2:34] <TotemFellatio> well, let's go the other way around: can i use the raspberry without an sd?
[2:34] <TotemFellatio> or it just boots from the sd so i'm basically fucked?
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[2:35] <TotemFellatio> sorry for being soo angry, not ur fault
[2:35] <TotemFellatio> just had a bad week
[2:35] <TotemFellatio> from a thunder frying my lan port on my gaming pc
[2:36] <TotemFellatio> to my linux laptop suddenly deciding to let the i, j, k, m and spacebar key to not work anymore
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[2:36] <TotemFellatio> got a raspberry pi for my bday but i have no card to use it
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[2:36] <TotemFellatio> my connection dropped to 1 mbps so i basically can't even watch porn
[2:36] <TotemFellatio> my god.
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[2:37] <Psi-Jack> TotemFellatio: TMI.
[2:37] <[Saint]> TotemFellatio: Yes, you can use a Raspberry Pi 3 without an SD card.
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[2:37] <TotemFellatio> Psi-Jack, welp, sorry.
[2:37] <brianx> you absolutely must have an sd card to take the first step with a pi 3b.
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[2:37] <[Saint]> _HOWEVER_, you must boot with an SD card to enable this, and you must boot from _some_ form of media.
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[2:38] <TotemFellatio> i have a sata-to-usb adaptor. Can i boot from there?
[2:38] <TotemFellatio> adapter*+
[2:38] <Psi-Jack> Not yet.
[2:38] <[Saint]> I sincerely doubt it.
[2:39] <brianx> TotemFellatio: no. you have to start with an sd card, there is no possible alternative.
[2:39] <[Saint]> I don't even think he could boot with SATA->USB after the fact.
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[2:40] <TotemFellatio> damn. Well, gotta take one and wait for it to arrive. Does the one that raspberry sells (8g, class 6) good?
[2:40] <[Saint]> I sincerely doubt the tiny bootrom has the drivers for this hardware baked in to it.
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[2:40] <[Saint]> TotemFellatio: it's not /bad/, but it's widly overpriced.
[2:41] <[Saint]> You can get better pricing on equivalent or better media from pretty much anywhere.
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[2:42] <Psi-Jack> Class 6 is also slow.
[2:42] <TotemFellatio> ok. Let's start from base level. I want a good sd card, with enough space to double boot Lakka and Archlinux-ARM, with some space for a few things like roms and small documents, nothing too heavy, fast enough, that won't die the next day and under 20 euros.
[2:42] <Psi-Jack> Roms?
[2:43] <[Saint]> Presumably emulation.
[2:43] <TotemFellatio> Lakka is a distro to turn the Raspberry into a retrogaming console. VGA, nes, snes, stuff like that
[2:43] <Psi-Jack> Oh. So license violation.
[2:43] <Psi-Jack> Good luck
[2:44] <TotemFellatio> I pay for games when i have the money, when i don't have i work to get the money. In the meantime, this is the way
[2:45] <Psi-Jack> Like I said. Good luck. Your on your own there.
[2:45] <TotemFellatio> i don't need help with that, i just need a suggestion for a good SD
[2:45] <Psi-Jack> Good luck!
[2:46] <TotemFellatio> or are you saying that you won't help just for the license violation thinghy?
[2:46] <Psi-Jack> That's exactly what I am saying on behalf of myself.
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[2:47] <BillytheBob> I always stick to class 10 cards
[2:47] <BillytheBob> Is there really that much of a difference ?
[2:47] <TotemFellatio> Welp, all please bow in front of the Paladin of Justice, behold! His incredible power of moking people on an IRC and not helping them is too powerful for me! I will faint if this agony doesn't stop immediatly!
[2:48] <TotemFellatio> BillytheBob, thanks, much appreciated. Class 10, 10g, any suggestion on the brand?
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[2:49] <[Saint]> I'd like to point out that while Psi-Jack isn't necessarily wrong, s/he's not necessarily right, either.
[2:49] <[Saint]> Class 6 is "slow", but without overclocking the sdhost, and even in general, it's unlikely to ever make a difference.
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[2:50] <[Saint]> Class 6 can actually be fatser in given situations that more closely represent actual use on the device itself.
[2:50] <TotemFellatio> is the difference in speed worth the cost?
[2:50] <[Saint]> Bulk contiguous read and write rates are pretty much meaningless in this context, so class isn't nearly as important as random IO.
[2:50] <BurtyB> depends if you value your time
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[2:51] <[Saint]> Well...it really depends how often you think you'll be imaging the sdcard.
[2:51] <TotemFellatio> i might have got class wrong then. What does the class refers to, if not speed?
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[2:52] <[Saint]> It does refer to the minimum rated speed, but what it measures in that regard is bulk contiguous traffic.
[2:52] <[Saint]> Which is a situation that will basically never arise in normal usage on the Rpi.
[2:52] <TotemFellatio> better go for a lower class sd with higher random io speed?
[2:53] <TotemFellatio> oh yeah, i forgot, also thanks brianx for the help
[2:53] <TotemFellatio> what do you mean with imaging the sdcard? you mean flashing? or backupping? or what?
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[2:53] <BurtyB> getting stats on things like that isn't going to be easy tho :/
[2:54] <[Saint]> BurtyB: Yes, indeed.
[2:54] <[Saint]> Basically, just buy a card that has the best value for money for you.
[2:55] <[Saint]> If you're going to be using ethernet or externally supplied USB wireless you're going to be cutting your storage performance in half anyway...so it's arguably not terribly important.
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[2:56] <[Saint]> I was just making a more general statement that class rating for embedded environments like this are generally pretty meaningless.
[2:58] <TotemFellatio> well, that wasn't the main plan, rather a temporary solution
[2:58] <BillytheBob> Any suggestions for a rogue AP using the raspberry pi 3?
[2:59] <TotemFellatio> well, thanks y'all for the suggestion
[2:59] <TotemFellatio> gtg bye
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[3:02] <BurtyB> BillytheBob, if you're bridging my advice would be to look at https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/673 other than that no idea
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[4:08] <phil42> my opinion is the best opinion
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[4:14] <Psi-Jack> brianx: You mentioned a macro earlier regarding NULL.
[4:14] <brianx> yeah
[4:14] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Can you elaborate on that?
[4:15] <brianx> gcc macro variable arguments
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[4:17] <brianx> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Variadic-Macros.html
[4:19] <Psi-Jack> Interesting.
[4:21] <Psi-Jack> So I could make my log function into realLog(...), #define log(...) realLog(str, ## __VA_ARGS__), something like that?
[4:22] <brianx> with the , NULL); at the end
[4:22] <Psi-Jack> #define log(...) realLog(str, ## __VA_ARGS__, NULL)?
[4:23] <brianx> i don't know the exact syntax, but something like that.
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[4:25] <brianx> i vaguely remember that the first arg has to be defined.
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[4:29] <brianx> this is all a recollection of seeing something... not something I've done.
[4:29] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. I think I may've got it!
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[4:32] <brianx> good.
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[4:33] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. I really need to figure out how to get log() to take and convert everything to char's. heh
[4:34] <Psi-Jack> But yeah, it works. :)
[4:34] <Psi-Jack> That'll save me lots of time and less crashes. LOL
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[4:36] <Psi-Jack> Thank you, brianx. Perfect fix. :)
[4:38] <brianx> cool, glad it helped.
[4:39] <kzisme> Anyone know if there is a Sensehat package built using Go?
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[4:50] <amigojapan_bnc> hmmm, libboost takes forever to install, and I have canceleled it many times, but I find that many applications need it
[4:51] <amigojapan_bnc> I think I will let it install this time
[4:51] <amigojapan_bnc> I have time
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[4:52] <amigojapan_bnc> I guess it is huge
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[5:07] <amigojapan_bnc> I am trying to answer this re-captcha captcha, but as you can see, I cant see the captcha at all, and there is no scroll bar in chrome, and not even the mouse wheel will scroll it http://i.imgur.com/tBYgssw.png
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[5:16] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Well, this kinda sucks. Seems like the relay switch I got isn't triggering from my ESP.
[5:17] <brianx> got the schematics?
[5:17] <Psi-Jack> Heh.... Umm..
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[5:18] <Psi-Jack> All I really got about it is, it's SMAKN, Model FC-67. WHich results in nothing in google.
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[5:38] <Apocx> so anyone actually have pi zero w's in stock currently?
[5:38] <Psi-Jack> Yes
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[5:39] <Psi-Jack> The Pi Hut (and on Amazon).
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[5:40] <Apocx> hm Pi Hut is UK though right. and they are like $20+ on Amazon
[5:40] <brianx> without a schematic, it's hard to say what might be failing Psi-Jack.
[5:41] <Psi-Jack> Hmm. That does make me wonder if I could get my RPiZW to work with the relay.
[5:41] <Psi-Jack> Apocx: Well, $24, for a kit, yes.
[5:41] <Apocx> they are selling just the pi zero w for $20 as well. talk about a markup
[5:41] <Psi-Jack> Indeed.
[5:42] <Psi-Jack> But, you didn't ask price, just if anyone had any stock. :)
[5:42] <Apocx> true
[5:42] <Psi-Jack> The kit is what I got because it had the adapter for microHDMI to HDMI, microUSB to USB-A
[5:42] <Psi-Jack> Just didn't include power.....
[5:44] <Apocx> if only microcenter wasn't a 3hr drive away
[5:44] <Apocx> yeah I have all that already
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[5:44] <Apocx> I'll just wait for adafruit to get them in stock I guess. I don't want one badly enough to buy a whole kit for it
[5:45] <Apocx> actually seems like Canakit has them, maybe I'll give them a shot
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[5:45] <Psi-Jack> I like CanaKit.
[5:46] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
[5:46] <Psi-Jack> Now to figure out how to use the RPi's GPIO.
[5:46] <dtype> i have a couple of pi3b's from canakit. Been happy enough so far although I don't suppose I have a particular bar to clear other than "worked"
[5:48] <Apocx> Order placed
[5:48] <Apocx> I mean as long as they actually arrive here I'll probably be happy
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[5:49] <Apocx> I never even used the pi zeros I bought but I think the wireless versions will be much more useful
[5:49] <Apocx> as small, headless wifi devices :D
[5:50] <Apocx> like all my esp8266 devices
[5:54] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
[5:54] <Psi-Jack> Well, that was odd.
[5:55] <Sonny_Jim> How come a $20 Pi can do HDMI CEC and a $400 Xbox One, that is marketed as a 'media center', complete with HDMI _in_ can't?
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[5:55] <Psi-Jack> I hooked up my 3-channel relay's TRV+/TRV- to my RPiZW's 5V... And definitely did not work.
[5:56] <Psi-Jack> In fact, it powered down my ESP connected to the USB hub.
[5:57] <Psi-Jack> Oh, sheash... I had the + and - backwards.
[5:57] <Psi-Jack> Because the color coding was backwards. heh
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[5:57] <Apocx> whoops
[5:58] <Psi-Jack> heh
[5:58] <Psi-Jack> Yeah.
[5:58] <Psi-Jack> Should've verified that, but nothing seems to be wrong.
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[5:59] <Psi-Jack> Still no GPIO control to the relay though from even the Pi's GPIO.
[5:59] <Sonny_Jim> Got a multimeter?
[5:59] <Psi-Jack> Aye.
[6:00] <Sonny_Jim> Take the relay off and use that to check the GPIO is switching
[6:00] <Psi-Jack> One thing I am kind of wondering. Though I see another potential problem even still. Before that though.
[6:01] <Psi-Jack> Basically what I have is my GPIO-16 plugged into the relay's IN1.
[6:01] <Psi-Jack> TRV+/- is plugged in but the other problem is, at 5V it doesn't seem to actually trigger the relays themselves, just turns on/off the LED indicator for the relays without tripping them. (That was the secondary problem)
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[6:02] <Psi-Jack> So, am I just wiring this up incorrectly, assuming that the GPIO pin output should fire it?
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[6:04] <Sonny_Jim> Don't the relays need a secondary power supply to fire?
[6:04] <Sonny_Jim> 5V seems too low
[6:05] <HrdwrBoB> that's pretty normal
[6:06] <Psi-Jack> Sonny_Jim: Well, I have it hooked up to 9V now.
[6:06] <HrdwrBoB> you typically have a pwoer supply
[6:07] <HrdwrBoB> and use a transistor to be triggered from the pin, then fire the relay
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[6:07] <HrdwrBoB> which will all be done for you on a relay board
[6:07] * Sonny_Jim nods
[6:07] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
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[6:08] <Psi-Jack> Well, the power supply is external right now, through the barell power adapter.
[6:08] <Psi-Jack> But, the transistor part, I don't have any currently.
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[6:10] <Psi-Jack> But the relay board, a 3-channel board, already has all that, that I can see.
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[6:11] <HrdwrBoB> the relay board will have power in and ground
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[6:11] <HrdwrBoB> and then pins for control
[6:11] <HrdwrBoB> if you don't have the power in connected, it won't work
[6:12] <Psi-Jack> Oh, I have power connected to the main board.
[6:12] <Psi-Jack> And the GPIO pin attached to IN1.
[6:12] <HrdwrBoB> where to on the main board
[6:12] <Psi-Jack> I don't have anything plugged into the relays, but they should still trigger (I have manual pushbuttons to trigger them and they work)
[6:13] <HrdwrBoB> also pi is 3.3V not 5
[6:13] <Psi-Jack> Ugh.. Really?
[6:13] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[6:14] <HrdwrBoB> fortrue
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[6:14] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[6:15] <Psi-Jack> Blah. So, no way to use this as-is?
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[6:15] <HrdwrBoB> not really
[6:15] <Psi-Jack> If I plug IN1 directly to the 5V+ power panel, should that trigger it?
[6:16] <HrdwrBoB> yeah I would think so
[6:16] <HrdwrBoB> assuming it has power
[6:16] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. That seems to do nothing as well.
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[6:25] <Psi-Jack> To get this to work then, I would need an transistor, or an N-Channel mosfet that supplies 5V. But, hmm, even at 5V directly, it doesn't do anything, so I'm really curious..
[6:26] <Apocx> what relay board are you using?
[6:27] <Psi-Jack> http://a.co/5H8GRiH
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[6:27] <Psi-Jack> This.. piss-poor documented ... thing...
[6:27] <Psi-Jack> This is interesting as well.
[6:28] <Psi-Jack> 9V power provided via the barell adapter, the TRV+/- is giving 5V +/-2%
[6:29] <Psi-Jack> At least while the two pins are connected. That's what they seem to do!
[6:29] <Psi-Jack> You can... supply 9V power to it, and power something that runs on 5V via the TRV+/-.
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[6:31] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh, and by touching the IN1 to the TRV-, it triggers the relay.
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[6:35] <Psi-Jack> I switch the H/L jumper from L to H, and now the IN1 tapped to TRV+ toggles the relay.
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[6:39] <Psi-Jack> I wonder if this is designed to be in parallel with a microcontroller and managed through the overall common ground of them all.
[6:43] <polprog> you can connect grounds together, i dont see why you havent done it :)
[6:45] <Psi-Jack> Heh, lack of knowledge in that department. :)
[6:45] <polprog> you still talking about that relay module?
[6:45] <Psi-Jack> yes
[6:46] <polprog> then if you wanna control it via mosfets thr gnds should be tied
[6:46] <polprog> their gnds*
[6:46] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I'm beginning to get that.
[6:47] <Psi-Jack> Just looking into what the purpose of TRV+/- is supposed to be for.
[6:47] <Psi-Jack> This is the interesting part, when looking up Relay TRV, I get a product page for a relay switch, and see this: TRV is wildly be used in smart home appliance like lighting control, wall switch , wall plug, thermostat, wall key pads, heater.
[6:48] <Psi-Jack> One of the "main features" is: TV-5 for TRVF
[6:48] <Psi-Jack> http://www.tti.com.tw/s/2/product-341605/Power-Relay-TRV-TRVF.html
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[7:05] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, so yeah.. Looks like this thing could power an ESP8266, and using a mosfet connected to a GPIO, could trigger it.
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[7:15] <polprog> whats the name of that modulem
[7:15] <polprog> ?
[7:16] <Psi-Jack> http://a.co/eUpaGpp
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[7:17] <polprog> looks fairly complicated for a module like that, maybe its just those pushbuttons
[7:18] <Psi-Jack> It's not. I was able to get it to trigger the IN1 by using the TRV+/- ports and closing a circuit to whichver one.. L was TRV-, H was TRV+
[7:18] <polprog> whats trv for?
[7:18] <Psi-Jack> I still have no clue. LOL
[7:19] <polprog> thats the problem with chineese modules xD
[7:19] <Psi-Jack> heh
[7:20] <Psi-Jack> Anyway, I need sleep.
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[8:11] <Infect> is there a channel for soldering and stuff like that
[8:11] <HrdwrBoB> There's generally more chat about that sort of malarky in #arduino
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[8:11] <Infect> alright, thank you so much!
[8:12] <Chillum> try ##electronics
[8:12] <Infect> thank you!
[8:12] <Chillum> they are all about the soldering there
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[9:13] <amigojapan_bnc> rI aam doind a retropie partial intsall, it is taking forever
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[9:15] <amigojapan_bnc> I am doing*
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[9:26] <amigojapan_bnc> ok, i hope I can get it working with 4 controllers, that would be fun, I can take it to places with lots of people and play multiplayer games :)
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[9:38] <Sonny_Jim> amigojapan_bnc: Controller configuration is pretty easy with emulation-station
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[9:38] <Sonny_Jim> Well, depending if they are just USB devices, wireless stuff can be a bit of a pain
[9:38] <amigojapan_bnc> Sonny_Jim: ok, ty
[9:39] <amigojapan_bnc> Sonny_Jim: I will make them USB
[9:39] <Sonny_Jim> From memory, the first time you start up emulation-station it'll walk you through configuring them
[9:40] <amigojapan_bnc> Sonny_Jim: I hope stella works in emulation station, cause it was working at some point by itself on my machine, but then it seems somethng went wrong with SDL. and it could nto load
[9:40] <amigojapan_bnc> ok ty
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[10:17] <amigojapan_bnc> Sonny_Jim: how do I get out of an emulator and back into emulation station withought a keyboard?
[10:20] <amigojapan_bnc> Sonny_Jim: holding down start and select does not seem to work, neither does the keyboard :(
[10:20] <amigojapan_bnc> not while in an emulator
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[10:24] <amigojapan_bnc> Sonny_Jim: sorry, it had defaulter to my other controller :)
[10:25] <Lartza> Really hate it how even an USB stick corrupts with the Pi :S
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[10:28] <ShorTie> corrupts == bad power
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[10:30] <Lartza> Eh
[10:30] <Lartza> Well I guess possibly yes
[10:30] <Lartza> Not really something that's easy to monitor/test though :S
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[10:36] <amigojapan_bnc> ok, emulation station is great, but I dont udnerstand how to change the default ocntroller from a shitty controller I have to my xbox360USB controller, I want to make that cocntrolelr A and the other B
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[10:47] <Lartza> Can't even find the official Pi supply anywhere from here, grr
[10:47] <amigojapan_bnc> ok I figured it out, it is a retroarch setting
[10:47] <amigojapan_bnc> Lartza: I am using a non official one
[10:47] <Lartza> So am I
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[10:48] <amigojapan_bnc> Lartza: if it works, what is the problem?
[10:48] <Lartza> Well it doesn't work apparently
[10:48] <amigojapan_bnc> ah ok Lartza , yeah I got a really powerfull one, want to know hich one i used?
[10:49] <Lartza> Seems my way of going through element or rs online was wrong and I can find the official supply...
[10:49] <Lartza> Ehh sure?
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[10:49] <amigojapan_bnc> Lartza: ok, one sec
[10:50] <amigojapan_bnc> Lartza: take a look at the links I put on this imgur, it can power both teh RPI and the official 7 inhc display no problem
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[10:56] <Lartza> amigojapan_bnc, You didn't post anything :P In any case I found the official supply for 11€ with free postage
[10:57] <amigojapan_bnc> laoh sorry Lartza https://imgur.com/a/C5tHm
[10:57] <amigojapan_bnc> Lartza: I used amazon Japan to buy these things
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[11:00] <Lartza> mhh to be honest that supply looks like crap
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[11:04] <amigojapan_bnc> thanks
[11:05] <Lartza> Well it's not as powerful as you put it
[11:05] <Lartza> If each port is only 2.4A
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[11:05] <Lartza> And LED's inside the device? :P
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[11:22] <nevodka> raspi-config says my resolution is set to 1920x1080
[11:22] <nevodka> but xdpyinfo says its 656x416
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[11:23] <nevodka> which is what it looks like
[11:23] <nevodka> its connected via RCA right now to a television
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[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> yeah that sounds more like it
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> also ugh rca
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[11:26] <nevodka> any idea how to increase the resolution
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> use hdmi
[11:26] <nevodka> yeah. im reading that the screen resolution is tied to composite
[11:27] <nevodka> :[
[11:30] <Sonny_Jim> Yup
[11:30] <Sonny_Jim> PAL/NTSC only has a specific number of lines
[11:30] <Sonny_Jim> You can do overscan, but it doesn't look very good
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[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> what are you plugging it into out of interest?
[11:32] <nevodka> man the audio quality is really awful too
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> not many things do composite these days except for TVs which typically also have hdmi
[11:32] <nevodka> oh well
[11:32] <nevodka> a rather old tv
[11:33] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, if you are playing old emulators, it's great
[11:33] <Sonny_Jim> No need for scanline emulation ;)
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[11:37] <nevodka> guess ill have to buy another hdmi cable
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> I have a heap of them around
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[11:41] <nevodka> ive got this hdmi to some type of plug i have never seen before
[11:42] <nevodka> got the pins like a vga but slightly different
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[11:43] <mfa298> nevodka: DVI perhaps (slightly larger than a vga plug)
[11:44] <Sonny_Jim> DB9 serial port
[11:44] <Sonny_Jim> DVI really isn't anything like VGA, plug wise
[11:44] <Sonny_Jim> *Although some implementations of DVI have all the VGA pins)
[11:44] <nevodka> nah its DVI
[11:44] <nevodka> its not like VGA, was just saying it had pins
[11:44] <nevodka> :p
[11:45] <Sonny_Jim> iirc, DVI is basically HDMI without the audio
[11:45] <nevodka> it seems that way from what im reading
[11:45] <nevodka> superseded by hdmi in 2002
[11:45] * Sonny_Jim nods
[11:45] <Sonny_Jim> DVI gets confusing as there's a few different plug types that look similar
[11:46] <Sonny_Jim> DVI-I, DVI-D
[11:46] <Sonny_Jim> Glad I don't have to fiddle around with it anymore
[11:46] <nevodka> i have no clue where i got this cable from
[11:46] <nevodka> dvi to hdmi
[11:47] <nevodka> i would assume from some old device i have sitting around
[11:47] <nevodka> but i really only have this old tv and a ps2 slim
[11:47] <Sonny_Jim> Presumably from around 2002 ;)
[11:47] <nevodka> and neither have that plug lol
[11:47] <Sonny_Jim> At a guess, maybe with a new graphics card
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[11:48] <mfa298> a lot of PC's used DVI from around 15 years ago
[11:49] <mfa298> before HDMI and similar things really started appearing.
[11:49] <mfa298> then HDMI and Display port came along and stuff started moving to them more
[11:50] <Sonny_Jim> What is the port of Display port?
[11:50] <Sonny_Jim> err, point, not port
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[11:50] <Sonny_Jim> Doesn't HDMI do everything Display port does?
[11:50] <Draylor> thats been the question since it first emerged a long time ago :)
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> no
[11:50] <Sonny_Jim> Drove me bananas when I first got a new PC and it came with display port
[11:50] <Sonny_Jim> And no cables....
[11:50] <mfa298> I think you might have apple to blame for display port, although I think they've moved to thunderbolt more now
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> otherwise we wouldn't need display port
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> if you read even briefly on the matter you would know
[11:51] <Sonny_Jim> Oh I'm sorry
[11:51] * Sonny_Jim bows down to HrdwrBoB
[11:51] <mfa298> originally I think displayport handled higher resolutions than hdmi could, but the newer hdmi specs have probably changed that
[11:51] <Draylor> yeah, pretty much
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> you can chain display port
[11:51] <Draylor> display port specs have been better at keeping up with bandwidth requirements over hte years
[11:52] <Draylor> so higher res/refresh rate requirements have used display port when other options wouldnt work
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[12:09] <vNistelroot> hello guys
[12:10] <vNistelroot> i would like to know if it is possible to transmit RF with a raspberry at 800-900 Mhz
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[12:11] <ShorTie> you can transmit at all kinds of frequencies with add on boards
[12:11] <mfa298> vNistelroot: there are various radio modules you can use on the ISM bands up there
[12:12] <Sonny_Jim> rpitx only goes up to 500MHz and it's incredibly noisy
[12:12] <ShorTie> rfm69's come to mind
[12:12] * mfa298 has an RFM69 on a Pi, also RFM9x and RFM22B all 868/915 MHz modules
[12:13] <vNistelroot> yup i read about rpitx
[12:19] <vNistelroot> oh, rfm22b sounds good
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[12:21] <mfa298> rfm69 is probably a better option, I think rfm22b is end of life.
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[12:36] <Hanonim> Hi !
[12:37] <Sonny_Jim> Hello
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[12:44] <vNistelroot> mfa298: seems like rfm69 suite my needs!
[12:44] <vNistelroot> :)
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[12:48] <wiselydoesit> https://www.novaspirit.com/2017/04/13/running-mac-os-9-x-raspberry-pi/ this is actually impressive.
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[12:59] <Lartza> Why? :S
[12:59] <Lartza> powerpc emulator running on the pi
[13:00] <Sonny_Jim> I wouldn't use the word impressive for compiling an emulator
[13:01] <Lartza> Yeah
[13:01] <Sonny_Jim> But meh, looks like fun
[13:01] <Sonny_Jim> Pretty sure someone did a MacOS emulator on an apple watch
[13:01] <Sonny_Jim> That's just bizarre
[13:02] <Sonny_Jim> Oh and the Win 95 emulated on a Pi that took like 20 minutes to boot, that was a hoot
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[13:06] <Viper168_> I ran 95, and mac os 7 and 8 on the psp
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[13:06] <Viper168_> think it was on 7 I was able to get escape velocity running vagely playably
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[13:24] <swensson> Can I use a Microsoft GPS to/with my raspberry pi? such as http://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-Microsoft-Navation-GPS-168-Model-1372-/121935947328 or https://www.amazon.com/GPS-Receiver-Microsoft-Pharos-GPS-500/dp/B000VQGSKE ?
[13:26] <Sonny_Jim> Maybe
[13:26] <Sonny_Jim> Depends on the drivers
[13:27] <Sonny_Jim> Narrow down your search to the model name and 'linux drivers'
[13:27] <Sonny_Jim> Might need a decent PSU as the Pi can't provide a huge amount of current over it's USB
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[13:38] <Armand> Sonny_Jim: Easy.. variable regulator
[13:39] <Armand> Use a buck/boost converter with around 2A max load tolerance.
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[14:12] <Psi-Jack> Hey, does anyone know what TRV+ and TRV- would be on a 3-channel relay module would be for?
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[14:36] <tlvb> A short search suggests it may be the +/- for the controlling optocoupler (TRigger)
[14:36] <vjacob> anyone here on Ubuntu Mate (Pi3)?
[14:37] <vjacob> Having lots of trouble after upgrading packages running Chromium and starting to run out of ideas. I get the "Aw!" error
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[14:39] <tlvb> Psi-Jack: forgot to ping you, see above
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[14:48] <Psi-Jack> tlvb: Hmmm.. Yes.. Each IN1/2/3 do have their own optoisolators.
[14:54] <d0rm0us3> [Saint], you could be correct... about the network controller.
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[14:54] <d0rm0us3> After using a db_nmap in metasploit framework... the vnc on the pi would quit responding.. nothing short of reboot would get it working again.
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[15:02] <Psi-Jack> tlvb: It's just wierd, this board has jumpers to pass DC+/- power over to the GPIO inputs and everything, and those are used to trigger the relays.
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[15:03] <HrdwrBoB> ?
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[15:21] <vjacob> What do most people use for Dropbox? dropbox_uploader.sh?
[15:21] <Psi-Jack> I don't use dropbox.
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[15:25] <HrdwrBoB> I use the python dropbox thing I think
[15:25] <vjacob> Thanks guys
[15:26] <vjacob> For a moment I thought I would have to go and signup a new service just to have something like it on Pi
[15:26] <Psi-Jack> Well, you could run your own NextCloud server.
[15:26] <Lartza> Screw dropbox though :P
[15:26] <Psi-Jack> ^
[15:26] <vjacob> I do but I need it to go out of my house and no public IP
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[15:27] <Psi-Jack> Well, THAT can be resolved. :)
[15:27] <oq> vjacob: no public ip as in your isp has some crappy nat or its just dynamic?
[15:27] <Lartza> Propietary client, nags on files you link, public folders removed
[15:30] <vjacob> for security it's not public by default for most users, as they do not need it.
[15:31] <vjacob> To be honest I haven't looked into a public IP for the same reason
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[15:32] <crond> don't those dynamic dns hosting places still exist? where you get a client on your system that updates your ip when it changes, so you can have a 'consistant' domain name?
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> yes
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> They don't work for multiple users NATed together though
[15:33] <crond> why would you...
[15:33] <crond> that's so weird. Why would you set your stuff up like that?
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[15:33] <oq> those isp's that don't give you a public ip do it because they can't afford to give their customer an ipv4 not for security reasons
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[15:34] <Psi-Jack> ^
[15:34] <mfa298> if only there was a newer IP protocol that still had plenty of space </end IPv6 rant>
[15:35] * Psi-Jack pets his IPv6 address.
[15:35] <mfa298> then again if you've not got a public IP you probably also cant do IPv6 now unless your ISP does IPv6
[15:37] <crond> I've never encountered such an ISP
[15:37] <crond> so weird.
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[15:40] <Sonny_Jim> Only 'ISP' I've ever used that didn't give you a public IP was a celluar one
[15:41] <oq> crond: all the ipv4 blocks are hoarded by the big names, so if you're a new guy on the block you have no choice but to nat or ipv6
[15:41] <crond> even my LTE has it's own IP
[15:41] <crond> dynamic ofc but
[15:41] <crond> oq, i gotcha. is there a reason to not just go ipv6?
[15:41] <oq> no
[15:42] <Habbie> i've had a public IP from a cell provider
[15:42] <Habbie> but non-public IPs on fixed home lines are happening
[15:42] <Habbie> more and more
[15:42] <crond> I am admittedly on a regional cell provider that until recently was government owned
[15:42] <crond> so odds are it got whatever it needed back when
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[15:50] <Psi-Jack> Hah! First time I used Google Translate on Chinese text. Pretty freaking cool. Course, all the chinese text said was the same thing it says on the top. Normally open, Normally closed, etc.. But, really cool that it basically visually augmented the chinese characters with roman characters transparently.
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[15:50] <crond> yeah it is pretty cool
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[15:54] <Psi-Jack> Definitely gotta say though, looking at this board now, under a 3x lense. Sheash... Piss poor quality.
[15:54] <RajRajRaj> hmm
[15:54] <localhorse> i saw that i can use my rpi3 as a wifi router, but can i do it such that it gets WAN internet from the ethernet port and makes it available on the wifi?
[15:55] <crond> Sure.
[15:55] <localhorse> crond: how?
[15:55] <crond> I don't know, you'll have to google it
[15:55] <Psi-Jack> localhorse: You would be MUCH better off with a real router and/or WAP.
[15:55] <crond> but I guarantee it can be done.
[15:55] <HrdwrBoB> oh yeah
[15:55] <RajRajRaj> what Psi-Jack said
[15:55] <localhorse> Psi-Jack: i need a portable one
[15:55] <crond> rpi is gonna be slow if you have more than a couple devices though
[15:55] <Psi-Jack> localhorse: You can get much better portable ones.
[15:55] <localhorse> i only have 2 devices, tablet and laptop
[15:55] <HrdwrBoB> Iam in a mcdonalds carpark writing code.
[15:55] <crond> since it's lil cpu will literally have to process all the datas.
[15:56] <localhorse> Psi-Jack: which one?
[15:56] <HrdwrBoB> This is what my life has become
[15:56] <crond> HrdwrBoB, hey, free wifi
[15:56] <crond> nothing wrong with that lol
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[15:56] <RajRajRaj> HrdwrBoB: is it because free wifi, of you dont have/like home?
[15:56] <Psi-Jack> localhorse: I found one that's actually pretty good and my wife is using it in Japan now. Open hardware and open source software no less, and fits in the palm of your hand, with space leftover.
[15:56] <RajRajRaj> or*
[15:56] <localhorse> Psi-Jack: i'm looking for one like that
[15:57] <Trel> I have a wifi question, I'm on a debian based distro, and I want to have wifi enabled (so not boot/config.txt) with the profiles defined in WPA supplicant, but I want it to be disconnected on boot unless I explicitly tell it to connect. Is there any way to do that?
[15:57] <localhorse> what's the name?
[15:57] <Psi-Jack> localhorse: Well, hang on a sec, then, I'll look it up. It was my wife that specifically purchased it through her amazon account. heh
[15:57] <Psi-Jack> So it's not in /my/ order history/
[15:57] <crond> HrdwrBoB, remember you can also mac spoof and packet collide people off of captive portals to get net access if needed in other places.
[15:57] <Trel> (I have no problem with the radio being off, until I ask it to connect)
[15:57] <localhorse> crond: will rpi as a router be slow (latency wise) if i only have 2 devices (laptop and tablet)?
[15:58] <HrdwrBoB> crond: lol
[15:58] <HrdwrBoB> I have 4g interwizzle
[15:58] <Psi-Jack> localhorse: http://a.co/ggJ1OYZ
[15:58] <crond> localhorse, I couldn't say, I haven't tried. It likely more depends on the speed of your uplink and how much you're saturating it. An rpi isn't going to work well if you're trying to route gigabit internet through it.
[15:58] <HrdwrBoB> RajRajRaj: no I'm working on the arduino code in my customdash
[15:58] <crond> localhorse, if you have like 50mbps you're likely gonna be fine
[15:58] <localhorse> crond: i only need it for sending OSC msgs from my tablet to my laptop
[15:59] <HrdwrBoB> making the gauges a moving average
[15:59] <localhorse> when i'm traveling
[15:59] <crond> localhorse, should be fine.
[15:59] <localhorse> it's small udp msgs
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[15:59] <crond> yeah, that'd be np.
[15:59] <localhorse> i just need low latency and no dropped packages
[15:59] <localhorse> can it do that, for 2 devices?
[15:59] <crond> so long as you aren't running other cpu intensive stuff, sure.
[15:59] <localhorse> ok
[15:59] <Psi-Jack> Heh, low latency, and no dropped packages, on WiFi?
[16:00] <Psi-Jack> Impossible!
[16:00] <localhorse> Psi-Jack: thats why i asked if i can use ethernet for one side
[16:00] <crond> don't start compiling lfs on your pi-router and then expect good performance tho.
[16:00] <localhorse> so only the tablet has to be over wifi
[16:00] <localhorse> laptop can be over ethernet
[16:00] <localhorse> crond: lfs?
[16:00] <Psi-Jack> localhorse: Well, I just showed you a handheld router. :)
[16:00] <localhorse> Psi-Jack: i cant avoid tablet being on wifi even with another router
[16:01] <localhorse> Psi-Jack: so you said it's open source, can you log in with ssh and run other stuff on it?
[16:01] <crond> localhorse, linux from scratch, it was a joke I was making.
[16:01] <Psi-Jack> localhorse: Yes of coursse.
[16:01] <localhorse> crond: ah yeah, i will only use it for routing when im routing
[16:01] <localhorse> Psi-Jack: do you have root on it?
[16:01] <Psi-Jack> localhorse: Yes
[16:01] <localhorse> cool
[16:02] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[16:02] <leftyfb> localhorse: http://a.co/7AFVsJD
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[16:02] <leftyfb> technically, you could potentially avoid the tablet bring on wifi :)
[16:02] <Psi-Jack> It's a darn good router for the price, open platform. :)
[16:02] <leftyfb> being*
[16:02] <crond> Psi-Jack, I am curious as to what this router is an apparently /clear'd your link, relink please?
[16:02] <localhorse> leftyfb: wow i didnt know this was possible. can i use a normal ethernet cable between this and the laptop?
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[16:03] <Psi-Jack> crond: http://a.co/dQTLv7W
[16:03] <leftyfb> localhorse: more than likely, yes
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[16:03] <localhorse> leftyfb: does it auto cross over?
[16:03] <Psi-Jack> I mean, this router even has UART and GPIOs for YOUR use!
[16:03] <leftyfb> localhorse: I don't know 100%, but these days most chipsets do that.
[16:04] <localhorse> rpi does it, right?
[16:04] <leftyfb> yes
[16:05] <crond> Psi-Jack, does it have open boot firmware?
[16:05] <localhorse> leftyfb: and then what IP address does the laptop have?
[16:05] <localhorse> a link local address?
[16:05] <Psi-Jack> crond: It's completely open. :)
[16:05] <leftyfb> localhorse: depends on how you set it up
[16:05] <crond> nice
[16:05] <localhorse> leftyfb: does it come with a manual?
[16:05] <localhorse> or where should i look for this?
[16:06] <leftyfb> localhorse: a manual for an ethernet adapter?
[16:06] <leftyfb> localhorse: step $1, plug in ethernet adapter
[16:06] <localhorse> leftyfb: how can i set it up so that the laptop has a constant ip?
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[16:06] <localhorse> so i can enter the laptop's ip in my android app to send UDP msgs to my server on the laptop
[16:06] <leftyfb> localhorse: what OS is the laptop running?
[16:06] <localhorse> windows 8.1
[16:07] <localhorse> (i need to run windows because of VST instruments..)
[16:07] <leftyfb> localhorse: http://bfy.tw/BLyo
[16:07] <localhorse> leftyfb: i tried that but it doesnt seem to work for direct connections
[16:07] <leftyfb> not true
[16:07] <clever> both ends must have a static ip in the same subnet
[16:08] <clever> if you only give one end a static ip, it wont work
[16:08] <localhorse> leftyfb: how can i make it conditional: if the ethernet adapter is sharing the internet connection ("master"), use a static ip, otherwise ("slave") get a dynamic ip via dhcp?
[16:08] <alexandre9099> hi, i think that my sd card is almost dead, i just ran traceroute and it gave me ��v$��~: Parameter string not correctly encoded Cannot handle "host" cmdline arg ��v$��~' on position 1 (argc 1)
[16:09] <crond> Psi-Jack, https://www.amazon.ca/GL-MT300A-Ext-MicroSD-pre-installed-Repeater-Tethering/dp/B01EWCO7CS/ <-- this one has microsd support. better or worse model? Its cheaper for some reason
[16:09] <Psi-Jack> alexandre9099: Anything in dmesg about disk issues?
[16:09] <leftyfb> localhorse: that would be a #windows question
[16:09] <localhorse> leftyfb: ok. would this adapter work on android?
[16:09] <alexandre9099> Psi-Jack: nope, only about my raid storage
[16:09] <localhorse> so that it can use it as network interface
[16:09] <leftyfb> localhorse: did you read the description?
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[16:10] <Psi-Jack> crond: The main difference is the WiFi controller. That one you linked has MediaTek, while the one I linked has Atheros.
[16:11] <localhorse> oneplus one says NO :(
[16:11] <crond> Psi-Jack, ahh okay good call.
[16:11] <localhorse> crond: which one did you link?
[16:11] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. Atheros > * in this case. :)
[16:11] <crond> Psi-Jack, yeah
[16:11] <crond> localhorse, different version of the same thing, but with a firmware-requiring wifi chipset
[16:12] <localhorse> leftyfb: does this list depend on the hw or OS? http://plugable.com/products/usb2-otge100/
[16:12] <localhorse> if i have a routed tablet with cyanogenmod, can it still work if in the list it says NO?
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[16:14] <Psi-Jack> crond: And you were asking, it uses U-boot for the boot loader.
[16:14] <leftyfb> localhorse: don't know. But probably
[16:14] <localhorse> leftyfb: so it only depends on the drivers of the OS, not on the HW, right?
[16:14] <Psi-Jack> crond: Which you can access via the UART serial pins. :)
[16:15] <leftyfb> gotta go
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[16:16] <crond> Psi-Jack, nice. I'ma get one
[16:16] <Psi-Jack> hehe
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[16:17] <Psi-Jack> crond: And you can even get their source code: http://www.gl-inet.com/docs/mini/ar300m/
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[16:22] <localhorse> Psi-Jack: is ASIX AX88772A an atheros chipset?
[16:22] <Psi-Jack> No. That's ASIX.
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[16:29] <ghoti> I've got a Pluggable USB hub that supports PPPS. When USB devices (uhid or flash drives) are plugged in I can control power using https://github.com/mvp/uhubctl, but when I plug in a Pi power just stays on.
[16:29] <ghoti> It's as if the Pi doesn't "register" somehow with the hub, so it doesn't know there's any device to turn off. I'm not even sure how to debug this.
[16:29] <ghoti> Is there a way I can tell the Pi to be a USB device (on its power connector)? I'd love to use this hub as a "smart" power bar for a small collection of Pis.
[16:29] <ghoti> Pi 3, btw.
[16:30] <Sonny_Jim> Nope
[16:30] <Sonny_Jim> The Pi's don't connect the data lines
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> The Pi power connection is only for power
[16:30] <Sonny_Jim> Just the power
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> That
[16:30] <Sonny_Jim> The Zero might
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[16:35] <BurtyB> none of them do on the power connector
[16:35] <crond> hmm
[16:36] <crond> would clustered pis make for a decent media server in regards to converting video formats on the fly?
[16:36] <Sonny_Jim> Not really
[16:36] <crond> or is that a poor use case for distributed
[16:36] <crond> Ahh ok
[16:36] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, it's a poor use really
[16:36] <crond> I have four I want to build a cluter to do SOMETHING, but I don't know what to do with it
[16:36] <Sonny_Jim> Folding@home
[16:36] <crond> I was planning to use it as a weird desktop, but it turns out thats also a poor use case
[16:36] <crond> but I already spent the money :D
[16:37] <Sonny_Jim> Pi's really aren't good for clustering anything, due to poor network/disk bandwidth
[16:38] <ghoti> Sonny_Jim / SpeedEvil, do you know if there's such a thing as a 1-port hub? One of those plugged into the PPPS-capable port would at least register existence of something that could be powered. Would there be some other strategy to "trick" the hub into thinking there's a device there?
[16:38] <Sonny_Jim> As mentioned, the Zero is capable of acting as a usb device
[16:39] <ghoti> I think that USB data lines are differential, so it wouldn't be possible to just tie one of the data lines to +5V..
[16:39] <Sonny_Jim> I've never played around with one
[16:39] <ghoti> Sonny_Jim: But I already have eight Pi3's. :)
[16:42] <HrdwrBoB> ghoti: so, just the essentials
[16:43] <ghoti> It seems like I should be able to plug any cheap USB hub into the PPPS-capable port and then plug the Pi into that.. But that's an ugly, space-consuming hack that creates additional dependencies on hardware of unknown quality.
[16:46] <localhorse> Psi-Jack: leftyfb: seems to work on cyanogenmod https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkJBV82sj34
[16:46] <Psi-Jack> I could personally care less about Android these days.
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[16:49] <ghoti> crond: I have multiple Pis running a video wall. Of course, that's a rather specialized cluster that requires extra hardware and physical space. :)
[16:50] <crond> ghoti, pretty cool though :)
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[16:51] <ghoti> crond: indeed. Especially with Samsung UD22B monitors.
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[16:54] <jarshvor> hello im trying to connect to the network on my raspi-zero. I have a USB ethernet adapter and a KB connected to a hub, and that to the raspi via an otg cable. I cant seem to get the interface up with 'ip link set dev eth0'
[16:54] <jarshvor> state is still Down
[16:55] <jarshvor> even though i've managed to get an ip intermitently.
[16:55] <jarshvor> cant ping to gateway or anything else.
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[16:59] <ghoti> jarshvor: do you feel like this is more likely a network problem between the Ethernet device and your hub, or an issue getting the adaptor talking properly to the Pi?
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[17:01] <jarshvor> ghoti: I'm really not sure. the usb adapter connection seems to be fine. its stable. and I get eth0 without hiccups.
[17:01] <Skippy_42> hey guys. I am trying to setup wifi on an raspberry pi with archlinux, and it seems like there is no driver for the chip (broadcom bcm43438), anybody got a solution for that?
[17:01] <jarshvor> just did dmesg and get link up, full duplex.. etc-
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[17:02] <jarshvor> however in ip addr the state says DOWN. and I cant even ping the gateway
[17:02] <HrdwrBoB> Skippy_42: why are you using arch
[17:02] <methuzla> Skippy_42: did you try asking in #archlinux
[17:02] <Trel> What's the default timeout on waiting for network at boot?
[17:02] <Skippy_42> @methuzla I have both chats open because I was not sure which one fits better
[17:03] <brainwash> no, go to #archlinux-arm
[17:03] <brainwash> that the correct channel
[17:03] <jarshvor> ghoti: in short. I dont think its ethernetadapter-hub connectivity problem. but I cant think of what else it could be.
[17:03] <Skippy_42> k ty
[17:05] <jarshvor> correct driver should be loaded and working properly if i'm seeing my network interface listed right?
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[17:08] <lopta> Oh no!
[17:08] <jarshvor> im using a Davicom DM96xx adapter, which loads dm9601
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[17:15] <lopta> The 32G MMC that I was hoping to use with my Raspberry Pi model B turned out to be 32 *Megabytes*
[17:15] <lopta> ...so that's less useful. ;-)
[17:15] <crond> you got scammed I'm guessing?
[17:15] <crond> finding a 32mb anything takes effort these days lol
[17:15] <lopta> Ah no, it's one I found. It didn't cost me anything.
[17:17] <vjacob> what do you folks think about future versions of RP (Pi)? Are there other interesting platforms to consider as well/
[17:17] <lopta> vjacob: Perhaps something based on RISC-V?
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[17:25] <methuzla> i'd hope they just keep it simple and clean it up a bit. get ethernet off usb, add ADCs, better PWM, etc.
[17:26] <oq> vjacob: get a nuc
[17:26] <strixUK> methuzla: there's no good way to get ethernet off USB on these broadcom devices
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[17:26] <oq> strixUK: what about ethernet on usb 3
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[17:26] <strixUK> things like ADCs and PWMs are µContorler territory. can do it on a pi, of course, with add-ons
[17:26] <strixUK> oq- only if the root port is USB 3, which apparently it is not
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[17:27] <methuzla> what about being an arm core prevents an adc peripheral?
[17:27] <strixUK> broadcom might release a USB 3 version later, but the physical layer is so different in USB 3 it'll take a while to get a decent quality IP block that fits broadcom's cost parameters. then there's the usual rigmarole with making new devices ready for market
[17:28] <strixUK> methuzla: nothing, but it has to be external, probably driven by GPIO (or else USB which as bad as it is, at least allows for some buffering)
[17:29] <oq> usb 3 could make pis so much more useful server-wise
[17:29] <oq> :/
[17:29] <strixUK> when you buy any SoC, you're not buying an ARM (although it has ARM core(s) on it also), you're buying the set of peripherals and design objectives of the SoC mfr
[17:30] <strixUK> oq- pis aren't servers, or rather, not targeted for that application ;)
[17:30] <methuzla> strixUK: external to the core sure, but not external to the soc. there are arm based chips available with ADCs.
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[17:31] <strixUK> for example, there's a whole lot more the Foundation could do were it freed from its cost targets. but the whole point of Pis is to be cheap, and that comes with compromises (eg no RTC)
[17:31] <strixUK> doubtless. but those are probably more expensive.
[17:31] <HrdwrBoB> to be fair
[17:31] <HrdwrBoB> there's a lot of other hardware available that fits other niches
[17:31] <oq> strixUK: while they are not targeted to that I'd bet that the majority of pis that are used on a daily basis serve as a server type function
[17:31] <strixUK> sure
[17:32] <methuzla> ah. ok. can see it being a cost thing.
[17:32] <GenteelBen> I've always said the RPi needs 12GB of HBM2 and 2x 40GbE NICs.
[17:32] <strixUK> all i'm saying is that it's unsurprising that a product targeted at education and cost-effectiveness doesn't quite do everything we would like
[17:32] <GenteelBen> Will the Foundation listen to its customers?
[17:33] <brianx> GenteelBen: no. look at pixel, nobody wanted that.
[17:33] <oq> google pixel?
[17:34] <HrdwrBoB> pixel the DE
[17:34] <oq> such a dumb name
[17:34] <brianx> oq: raspbian with pixel.
[17:34] <oq> I get the whole pi, pixel thing, but for 99% of people pixel == google
[17:34] <GenteelBen> And a 16-core ARM Corex A73 big.bIgGeR.LITTLE CPU.
[17:34] <Trel> What's the default timeout on waiting for network at boot?
[17:34] <GenteelBen> And at least four DP 1.3 outputs.
[17:34] <EvilDMP> oq: What is Google Pixel?
[17:34] <oq> EvilDMP: a phone
[17:35] <HrdwrBoB> EvilDMP: a phone
[17:35] <GenteelBen> EvilDMP: the best iPhone clone around.
[17:35] <EvilDMP> Never heard of it
[17:35] <HrdwrBoB> I have one
[17:35] <GenteelBen> Costs the same as the iPhone
[17:35] <HrdwrBoB> EvilDMP: is it nice under that rock?
[17:35] <GenteelBen> But doesn't have iOS.
[17:35] <GenteelBen> I think he's being facetious.
[17:35] <HrdwrBoB> GenteelBen: it's nice though
[17:35] <oq> EvilDMP: guess you must be the 1%
[17:35] <GenteelBen> But then again the Pixel has like 0.1% market share.
[17:35] <HrdwrBoB> takes pretty pictures
[17:35] <HrdwrBoB> and the VR is fun
[17:35] <GenteelBen> If the Pixel's sold even 1 million handsets I'd be amazed.
[17:36] <EvilDMP> GenteelBen: Actually, I had vaguely heard of it, but I thought it was one of their crippled laptops
[17:36] <GenteelBen> http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/low-pixel-sales-are-yet-another-indicator-of-googles-continuing-struggle-with-hardware-products-358842.html
[17:36] <brianx> ^^^ so nobody wanted that pixel either apparently.
[17:36] <GenteelBen> EvilDMP: there's a Pixel C which is an Android tablet from Google (originally designed for ChromeOS).
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[17:36] <GenteelBen> Pixel is Google's "overpriced phone and tablet" brand name.
[17:36] <GenteelBen> Nexus is basically the same as Pixel but about 40% cheaper.
[17:37] <Armand> WTF are you smoking ?
[17:37] <GenteelBen> Basically if you pay $700 for a Pixel why the hell don't you just get an iPhone? Pixel will get updates for 2 years...the iPhone 7 will get updates for ~5 years.
[17:37] <HrdwrBoB> that's a ridiculous comparison
[17:38] <HrdwrBoB> for most people you've bought into an ecosystem
[17:38] <GenteelBen> Armanda: there was no justification for the Pixel's ridiculously high price, which is why it flopped.
[17:38] <brianx> my point to GenteelBen was that the foundation has it's own goals and has little interest in commercial success or listening to the people who actually buy their products. their goals are education related.
[17:38] <Armand> Nexus is the retired brand, so there's NOTHING as recent as Pixel.
[17:38] <GenteelBen> Pixel wasn't even a developer reference device.
[17:38] <HrdwrBoB> swapping one for the other is nontrivial
[17:38] <Trel> Pixel's high price is what finally convinced me to get a Oneplus 3T
[17:38] <GenteelBen> brianx: you don't understand irony, go away.
[17:38] <methuzla> when suddenly, it turned into a cellphone flame war (dramatic music)
[17:38] <Armand> Obvious troll is obvious.
[17:38] <GenteelBen> Trel exactly, the 3/3T is more like a Nexus phone than the Pixel.
[17:39] <Chillum> Apple, for when you want to buy something but not own it!
[17:39] <Armand> lolz
[17:39] <strixUK> what's bizarre is Google's efforts to break into hardware. I know they want to own the whole of the vertical market, but they can't actually be good at everything
[17:39] <GenteelBen> Oh please. The Pixel, like most of Google's hardware outside of the Nexus phones, has flopped.
[17:39] <Trel> Unlockable bootloader with a command only, good ROM community, yep
[17:39] <GenteelBen> Nexus also had poor sales figures but it was always designed to be a developer reference device.
[17:39] <GenteelBen> It wasn't ever a "consumer first" device like the Pixel.
[17:40] <brianx> GenteelBen: it was clear your list of features was a joke. the op's request for usb3 wasn't.
[17:40] <GenteelBen> Trel: right, but if you care about updates that much you'd probably wouldn't want to buy a phone which will be abandoned after 2 years (see: Nexus 6 and 9 not getting 7.1.2).
[17:41] <Trel> Officially, sure, but I'm pretty sure there's unofficial 7x roms for the OG Nexus 5
[17:41] <GenteelBen> And Google have what, 7 phones in their portfolio over the last 5 years? It wouldn't be a huge deal for them to continue supporting them.
[17:41] <Trel> Which if my battery hadn't gone kaput, I'd still be using
[17:41] <strixUK> idk much about USB3. I've fooled around with USB2 a bit, and it's a nightmare. given my experience with high speed serial comms, adding the gigabit stuff will make something bad worse.
[17:42] <GenteelBen> I think there are other micro ARM boards which are better suited to stuff like that. None of them have the ecosystem of the RPi, though.
[17:42] <GenteelBen> E.g. Samsung intermittently put out boards based on their newest Exynos SoC.
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[17:45] <Trel> Anyhow, anyone know the default timeout on waiting for network at boot?
[17:45] <brianx> Trel: there is none.
[17:46] <Trel> So if I enable that option, and there's no network, it will hang indefinitely?
[17:46] <Chillum> I think so
[17:46] <Trel> That seems.....wrong.
[17:46] <brianx> then don't enable it.
[17:47] <Chillum> it is there for systems that need the network before they start
[17:47] <Trel> It's also needed to make an rc.local work on a network adapter AFTER it comes up.
[17:47] <GenteelBen> No timeout? Someone needs to enhance dat BIOS.
[17:47] <brianx> Trel: use systemd.
[17:48] <Chillum> you could always just have it start up right away and have your own scripts wait for the network
[17:48] <Trel> Chillum, and where do I put my script that it executes at the right time. The only thing I'm doing in my script is ifconfig wlan0 down
[17:49] <HrdwrBoB> er
[17:49] <HrdwrBoB> so why not disable wlan
[17:49] <Trel> Because I need to be able to ENABLE wlan without rebooting, but I don't want it on/connected at boot.
[17:50] <Trel> 'ifconfig wlan0 up' should actually bring up and connect the wifi.
[17:50] <Trel> Is there a better way to do that?
[17:50] <Trel> Other than forcing it down at boot instead of disabling it?
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[17:53] <methuzla> try setting the interface to 'manual'
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[17:54] <Trel> methuzla, that's not what manual does
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[18:03] <SopaXorzTaker> The Foundation sucks
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[18:03] <SopaXorzTaker> They bribed Broadcom into stopping shipments of its chips to ODROID
[18:03] <SopaXorzTaker> because they had an ODROID-W, which got replaced by the official zero
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[18:04] <Habbie> SopaXorzTaker, do you have proof? otherwise i propose you stop now
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[18:07] <SopaXorzTaker> Habbie, http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2362800/hardkernel-cancels-raspberry-pi-like-odroid-w-after-broadcom-stops-supplying-soc
[18:07] <methuzla> Trel: what does it do?
[18:07] <SopaXorzTaker> I am disappointed in you, the Pi Foundation
[18:07] <Trel> It allows you to create an interface without IP information, but the interface is up.
[18:07] <SopaXorzTaker> This is just evil
[18:07] <Habbie> SopaXorzTaker, so no, you do not have proof
[18:07] <Trel> basically if I ran dhclient on a manual interface, it should pick up an IP.
[18:07] <Habbie> SopaXorzTaker, please stop
[18:08] <SopaXorzTaker> "This kind of thing led to some begrudging talk in the Raspberry Pi Foundation forums, with some posters suggesting that Hardkernel had piggybacked on the work done on the Raspberry Pi."
[18:08] <SopaXorzTaker> Yes, they did
[18:08] <SopaXorzTaker> what now? They perfectly can do that and it's good
[18:08] <SopaXorzTaker> but no
[18:08] <SopaXorzTaker> -> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=83148
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[18:09] <strixUK> SopaXorzTaker: these things do happen but i agree with Habbie, it's probably not wise to speculate as to why they stopped shipping their devices
[18:09] <methuzla> Trel: right. so up, but not connected. allowing you initiate connection post boot.
[18:10] <SopaXorzTaker> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=83148
[18:10] <SopaXorzTaker> oops
[18:10] <strixUK> (i recall once a shipment of rare devices "accidentally" got shipped to the wrong customer and by the time the "accident" was discovered, the recipient had already used them... hrm... so we had to wait a couple of months longer to source some more of those parts)
[18:12] <strixUK> SopaXorzTaker: the development of something like the pi has a nontrivial cost associated with it, and however you might feel about the subject, the designs are the Foundation's copyright. that's why they don't give out schematics.
[18:12] <SopaXorzTaker> strixUK, that's pretty correct
[18:12] <SopaXorzTaker> but they do: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/README.md
[18:13] <strixUK> though it beats me what commercial value there is in trying to undercut the Foundation's products. it's not like it's a high margin business.
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[18:13] <SopaXorzTaker> The Foundation is just like the Arduino LLC
[18:13] <SopaXorzTaker> profiting on newbies
[18:13] <strixUK> SopaXorzTaker: take a close look at the pi3 schematic. it isn't one. it shows some pinouts, but that's all.
[18:13] <Sonny_Jim> Who needs high margins when you are selling millions of units?
[18:13] <SopaXorzTaker> and having no educational value on their products whatsoever
[18:14] <methuzla> huh?
[18:15] <strixUK> SopaXorzTaker: well, i know some of the foundation board members, at least enough to say 'hi' to but better by reputation, and they're good people.
[18:15] <strixUK> it's possible that there are some other people in the Foundation who are not, but that, too, is speculation.
[18:15] <Trel> methuzla, if I set it to manual, how would I connect wifi for example post boot if I need it.
[18:15] <Trel> ifconfig wlan0 up would NOT work
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[18:19] <methuzla> Trel: might be different with systemd, but i've used ifup wlan0=somedef
[18:19] <Trel> What's somedef in your example?
[18:19] <methuzla> where somedef is a network stanza defined in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:20] <methuzla> iface somedef inet static
[18:20] <methuzla> other stuff
[18:20] <methuzla> etc
[18:20] <Trel> That's not what I'm trying to do
[18:21] <Trel> Ifup says it brings it up, implying it's down to begin with
[18:21] <Trel> If it's set to manual, it's up, not down, so it wouldn't do anything....
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[18:22] <Trel> I need the interface to be down, not unconfigured. Down.
[18:23] <clever> ip link set eth0 down
[18:23] <methuzla> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_manually_switchable_network_configuration
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[18:25] <Trel> clever, huh, and where does that go?
[18:25] <clever> Trel: thats a shell command that just forces the link to go down
[18:25] <Trel> clever, I know commands to bring it down, I'm talking about having it boot in a down state
[18:25] <clever> ah
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[18:27] <Trel> methuzla, if the command to make it start working isn't 'ifconfig wlan0 up' exactly, then it's NOT what I'm trying to do.
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[18:28] <clever> Trel: oh, and linux also drops all route config when the link goes down, so bringing the link up wont configure routing
[18:29] <ghoti> I'm so glad FreeBSD has official support for R-Pi now.
[18:29] <Trel> Huh, if I do ifconfig wlan0 down, it goes down and if I do ifconfig wlan0 up, it comes up.
[18:29] <Habbie> ghoti, is it in a release already?
[18:30] <Habbie> ghoti, last time i checked, it was just snapshots and they were fishy (:D :D)
[18:30] <clever> Trel: but does "ip route" show routes when its up?
[18:30] <Trel> No clue, I'm not near the thing at the moment
[18:30] <Trel> Habbie: I'd say it's ghotisidhe
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[18:31] <clever> Trel: oh, and if wpa_supplicant and dhcp are running, those will automaticaly try to configure the interface on you
[18:31] <Trel> They are.
[18:31] <ghoti> Habbie: ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/11.0/ lists a number of ARM builds.
[18:31] <Habbie> Trel, i don't get it, please help me
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[18:31] <Trel> Habbie: Sidhe is pronoucned Shee
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[18:31] <Habbie> ah!
[18:32] <ghoti> Trel: hah! Thanks, I may have to "borrow" that. :)
[18:32] <Habbie> :)
[18:32] <Habbie> fishshee
[18:34] <Psi-Jack> Alright... I need to get some mosfets, and transistors, primarily dealing with 3.3V currents.
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[18:39] <lopta> Ugh. This monitor apparently doesn't like Raspberry Pi video.
[18:40] <Philip_J_Fry> hey guys i have a question
[18:40] <ghoti> Philip_J_Fry: congrats! :-)
[18:40] <Philip_J_Fry> what is this thing i keep hearing about people using RaspberryPi with TV's?
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[18:40] <Philip_J_Fry> ;)
[18:40] <ghoti> I don't know. Why don't you tell us what you keep hearing?
[18:41] <Philip_J_Fry> they connect multiple raspberrypi to TV to watch something
[18:41] <Philip_J_Fry> or one
[18:41] <Philip_J_Fry> im not getting what exactly
[18:41] * ghoti scratches his head
[18:41] <ghoti> Are you talking about video walls?
[18:41] <Philip_J_Fry> like are they trying to make a smart TV type thing, or what
[18:41] <methuzla> osmc?
[18:41] <Philip_J_Fry> whats a video wall
[18:41] <EvilDMP> My Raspberry Pi 2 is happily powering an external hard disk drive. Would a Pi Zero be able to do the same? The drive's USB socket is one of those double-headed Micro B SuperSpeed ports.
[18:42] <methuzla> Philip_J_Fry: https://osmc.tv/
[18:43] <Philip_J_Fry> they dont have pictures
[18:43] <Philip_J_Fry> okay so its basically making a smart TV
[18:43] <methuzla> pretty much
[18:44] <ghoti> Philip_J_Fry: http://bfy.tw/BMBm
[18:44] <Philip_J_Fry> My TV can access network and my computer and watch movies froim there
[18:44] <methuzla> basically what the soc was designed for
[18:44] <Habbie> methuzla, by broadcom you mean then?
[18:44] <Habbie> methuzla, right, the soc, not the actual pi
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[18:45] <Philip_J_Fry> ghoti: i thought regular computers could do a "video wall" with some sort of video splicer thing
[18:45] <methuzla> Habbie: yes. as i understand it. thus the powerful gpu.
[18:45] <Habbie> methuzla, makes sense
[18:45] <Philip_J_Fry> splicer thing that those who needed - bought
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[18:46] <ghoti> There are many ways to solve any problem. You can split video using a particular device. Or you can run each monitor on the wall using its own computer (for example, a Pi). Or you could use a multi-port video card, or multiple video cards, in a single computer. Or other.
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[18:46] <Philip_J_Fry> ghoti: is RPi3 powerful enough to play 4K
[18:47] <Habbie> Philip_J_Fry, it can't output it in any case
[18:47] <Habbie> Philip_J_Fry, and i doubt it can decode it
[18:48] <Philip_J_Fry> how much is raspberry pi3 i kind of want to play with it, but i dont know what id use it for, it seems more powerful than Arduino, but the censors and extra stuff from arduino would fit? the ports seem to be the same
[18:48] <Chillum> it is a different animal than the arduino.
[18:48] <Habbie> Philip_J_Fry, arduino stuff can be connected if it is 3V3-rated, in general
[18:48] <Chillum> it is far more powerful, but does not have the precise timing you see in microcontrollers
[18:48] <Habbie> indeed
[18:48] <Chillum> so it can use a lot of stuff an arduino can use, however not everything
[18:48] <shiftplusone> Habbie: pretty sure it can output 4k with some tweaking, but yeah, it won't decode it.
[18:48] <Habbie> some people pair a pi and an arduino to get the power and the timing
[18:49] <Chillum> ^^
[18:49] <Chillum> a lot of my projects use both
[18:49] <Habbie> shiftplusone, oh, that surprises me, but indeed it doesn't matter a lot
[18:49] <shiftplusone> yeah, you wouldn't want to use it like that, I think it's at something like 15Hz.
[18:49] <Habbie> shiftplusone, like that, yes
[18:49] <Chillum> Philip_J_Fry: you might want to use something cheaper like the pi zero w
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[18:49] <shiftplusone> there we go https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=79330
[18:49] <Philip_J_Fry> im so noob, why wont they give Pi a crystal oscilator to have the same timing
[18:49] <Chillum> still way more resources than an arduino
[18:50] <Habbie> Philip_J_Fry, the hardware can do it
[18:50] * methuzla wouldn't recommend a zero for beginners
[18:50] <Habbie> Philip_J_Fry, but once you put linux on it, you lose that control
[18:50] <Chillum> the pi is a computer running an operating system
[18:50] <Chillum> you _can_ run it real-time but that is a whole other thing
[18:50] <Habbie> yes
[18:50] <Habbie> it involves not running linux
[18:50] <Philip_J_Fry> gotcha
[18:50] <Habbie> i'm still hoping for someone to do a thing where one cpu core does not run linux
[18:50] <Chillum> the OS is doing many things and there is no garuntee your code will have access to the system at the exact moment you need
[18:50] <methuzla> Habbie: PRU on BBB
[18:51] <Chillum> whereas the arduino used a microcontroller that runs only your code all cycles
[18:51] <Habbie> methuzla, right
[18:51] <Habbie> methuzla, but i mean with the existing pi cpu
[18:51] <Philip_J_Fry> Chillum: gotcha
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[18:51] <Philip_J_Fry> so each arduino is married to its operation and cannot do 2 things?
[18:52] <Chillum> also arduino is $2 and a pi 3 is more like $38 or something
[18:52] <Habbie> Philip_J_Fry, oh sure it can, but you need to write your code carefully
[18:52] <methuzla> no single core cpu does more than one thing at a time
[18:52] <Philip_J_Fry> is raspberrypi3 hardware open source?
[18:52] <Chillum> it runs in one thread, you can code to use that thread any way you like
[18:52] <Habbie> methuzla, well that is true
[18:52] <Habbie> Philip_J_Fry, no
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[18:52] <Philip_J_Fry> wow seriously?
[18:53] <Philip_J_Fry> seems odd but i guess they are making money
[18:53] <Chillum> so you can do asynchronous code that can do multiple tasks but not in parallel
[18:53] <Habbie> Philip_J_Fry, they are not in it for the money
[18:53] <Philip_J_Fry> gotcha Chillum
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[18:53] <Chillum> there do exist microcontrollers with more than one CPU but I have not used it
[18:53] <shiftplusone> money is being made, but all profit goes to the charity.
[18:54] <Philip_J_Fry> o.O
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[18:54] <Philip_J_Fry> can someone link me raspberrypi3 buy link, on their website it costs $60
[18:54] <Habbie> Philip_J_Fry, where?
[18:54] <Philip_J_Fry> where what
[18:54] <Habbie> Philip_J_Fry, where is the $60
[18:54] <Philip_J_Fry> theor original website
[18:54] <Habbie> url?
[18:54] <shiftplusone> I am guessing you're in America?
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[18:55] <Habbie> shiftplusone, that bad in US?
[18:55] <Habbie> shiftplusone, i'd expect a kit for that
[18:55] <shiftplusone> I don't know, I was just about to check.
[18:55] <Habbie> ah
[18:55] <shiftplusone> Only guessing it's America because he hasn't specified where he's from.
[18:55] <Habbie> right
[18:55] <Chillum> the zero w is my new favourite
[18:56] <Philip_J_Fry> i am in america
[18:56] <Philip_J_Fry> i found amazon link $38
[18:56] <Habbie> my zero w has been lying on my desk, unpacked, for forever
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[18:56] <Chillum> I don't reach for a rpi because I want speed and power, I choose a pi because it is a small, low power system
[18:56] <Philip_J_Fry> shiftplusone: people from america dont say where we are from lol?
[18:56] <shiftplusone> $30 from a microcenter
[18:56] <Chillum> so the zero series is in my opinion a more useful path than the 2 and 3
[18:56] <stiv> amazon (US) has a cannakit pi 3 for about $50. plain pi3 is $40
[18:57] <shiftplusone> $35 on newark.
[18:57] <Chillum> I used to use pre 2 pis for their lower power usage before the zero came out
[18:57] * stiv was pleased with the cannakit pi2 he bought. your mileage may vary
[18:57] <YuGiOhJCJ> hello, when I do "free -m", I only have 120MB on my Raspberry Pi 3 Model B instead of 1GB, is there an other way to check the "real" amount of memory installed on my RPI 3B?
[18:57] <Chillum> I have a stack of pi 2s in a box, I started with 20 and I have 8 left
[18:58] <Habbie> YuGiOhJCJ, the very first number in there is the total
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[18:58] <Philip_J_Fry> one sec let me change my IP im being blocked brb
[18:58] <Habbie> YuGiOhJCJ, Mem/Total
[18:58] <stiv> free shows the amount free
[18:59] <mfa298> YuGiOhJCJ: make sure you look at the right bit of free, if in doubt stick the output on pastebin and put the link here
[18:59] <Habbie> stiv, it also shows total
[18:59] <YuGiOhJCJ> yes I am checking the very first: total
[18:59] <Habbie> shows 925 for me
[18:59] <Habbie> YuGiOhJCJ, did you change config.txt?
[18:59] <YuGiOhJCJ> no my config.txt file is not changed
[18:59] <shiftplusone> Philip_J_Fry: Massive overgeneralisation, but Americans don't tend to be as conscious of the world outside of their country as the rest of the world is.
[18:59] <Habbie> YuGiOhJCJ, weird
[19:00] <mfa298> YuGiOhJCJ: also try: vcgencmd get_mem arm; vcgencmd get_mem gpu
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[19:00] <Habbie> 944/64 for me
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[19:00] <YuGiOhJCJ> but I am using Slackware ARM 14.2 with the Linux kernel from the official raspberry pi repository. I just not have the corresponding modules installed so maybe some modules are necessary to have the full amount of memory
[19:00] <mfa298> 944/64 shoudl be the default I think.
[19:00] <Habbie> mfa298, yes, i did not touch it
[19:01] <Habbie> this is a pi2 though
[19:01] <Phil_J_Fry> here
[19:01] <Phil_J_Fry> RASPBERRY PI3, 8MP CAMERA
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[19:01] <Phil_J_Fry> Price:$56.88 (Price is before tax) Out of Stock
[19:01] <shiftplusone> Phil_J_Fry: your best bet is to drop by a microcentre if you have one near. Otherwise try newark. http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspberrypi3-modb-1gb/sbc-raspberry-pi-3-mod-b-1gb-ram/dp/77Y6520
[19:01] <methuzla> ^^
[19:01] <shiftplusone> You're after a camera?
[19:01] <YuGiOhJCJ> mfa298, vcgencmd is not available on my OS
[19:01] <Phil_J_Fry> shiftplusone: there is a microcenter near me, i have a coupon for 3 free 32GB cards/usbs too
[19:02] <methuzla> the camera's ~$25, so $30 pi + $25 camera = ~$55 sounds about right
[19:02] <Phil_J_Fry> shiftplusone: i have one of their microSD's thats 32GB, it has 40/20 D/U speed, is that sufficient for raspberry
[19:03] <YuGiOhJCJ> Habbie, when I say it is not changed, it does not exist at all in my /boot directory
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[19:03] <Habbie> YuGiOhJCJ, ah
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[19:03] <YuGiOhJCJ> does it matter?
[19:03] <Habbie> YuGiOhJCJ, i don't know
[19:03] <Habbie> Phil_J_Fry, 'depends on your needs', 40/20 MByte/sec sounds pretty decent to me
[19:04] <shiftplusone> Phil_J_Fry: I don't know, I only use the official raspberry pi sd cards. Most cards should be perfectly fine, but I do occasionally see people have problems with certain cards.
[19:04] <shiftplusone> as far as speed goes, it's not too important.
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[19:04] <shiftplusone> No point getting something insanely fast, since you'll just hit the limit of the controller.
[19:04] <Phil_J_Fry> shiftplusone: can you test the speed on the card?
[19:05] <Phil_J_Fry> shiftplusone: loading up linux and opening applications can be super slow if storage is slow
[19:05] <Habbie> Phil_J_Fry, just go with the card you have now; if it disappoints, investigate then
[19:05] <Habbie> Phil_J_Fry, SD cards are cheap
[19:05] <Phil_J_Fry> shiftplusone: i had a portable linux on USB 3.0 that has 150/70 speed, and it was very laggy on a PC
[19:05] <Habbie> Phil_J_Fry, note that if it disappoints, it may not be due to the SD
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[19:05] <Habbie> Phil_J_Fry, compared to a modern pc even the pi3 is not a super powerful machine
[19:06] <Phil_J_Fry> well yewah
[19:06] <Phil_J_Fry> what about that Bluetooth/Wifi module that Pi 3 has
[19:06] <Phil_J_Fry> is it one chip?
[19:06] <shiftplusone> One chip, has problems when you try to use both of them at the same time.
[19:07] <Phil_J_Fry> well thats what i was about to say
[19:07] <shiftplusone> Cypress (the manufacturer of the chip) should be providing a firmware update at some point which improves it.
[19:07] <Phil_J_Fry> i have one in my computer, and since bluetooth operates on 2.4, wifi completely blocks uit
[19:07] <Habbie> that's not what shiftplusone means i think
[19:07] <Phil_J_Fry> you really cant, unless they disable 2.4 Wifi and leaqve 5GHz on, it will give problems
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[19:07] <Habbie> but that's also an issue on some hardware, yes
[19:07] <shiftplusone> Habbie: it is what I mean, yeah.
[19:08] <Habbie> shiftplusone, oh!
[19:08] <shiftplusone> that wifi and bt on the same chip has problems given the spectrum they use.
[19:08] <Habbie> one of my previous laptops would drop wifi to single megabits when i used bluetooth at the same time
[19:08] <Habbie> i never imagined a firmware upgrade could fix that
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[19:08] <Habbie> apple sure didn't
[19:08] <shiftplusone> We'll see what happens.
[19:08] <Habbie> ack
[19:08] <Phil_J_Fry> shiftplusone: i solved the issue on my PC by disabling wifi drivers since im ethernet connected anyway, but bluetooth still does not perform well, very slow in comparison to external bluetooth dongle design, those chips seem like a good idea, but are cancer
[19:09] <Habbie> Phil_J_Fry, please mind the language
[19:09] <Phil_J_Fry> a solution would be a chip that DOES NOT have 2.4GHz wifi
[19:09] <Phil_J_Fry> onyl 5GHz
[19:09] <Phil_J_Fry> that way they wouldnt conflict
[19:09] <Phil_J_Fry> what did i say
[19:09] <Habbie> cancer
[19:09] <Phil_J_Fry> so
[19:10] <IT_Sean> so?
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[19:10] <IT_Sean> Habbie: last time I checked, that wasn't a naughty word.
[19:10] <Phil_J_Fry> LOL
[19:11] <EvilDMP> IT_Sean: It's not a dirty word and no-one is offended by it.
[19:11] <Phil_J_Fry> anyway, my PC bluetooth/Wifi chip, that is probably more powerful than raspberry
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[19:11] <Phil_J_Fry> even with wifi disabled
[19:11] <EvilDMP> But why use a word that may be loaded with significance for many people? Better not to.
[19:11] <Phil_J_Fry> cannot handle more than 1 bluetooth dev at once
[19:12] <Habbie> EvilDMP, my thoughts
[19:12] <ghoti> EvilDMP: it's a reasonable metaphor. If we all avoided language that had the *potential* to offend, it would be very quiet indeed.
[19:12] <Phil_J_Fry> EvilDMP: Habbie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv2ZMN3T18E
[19:12] <EvilDMP> ghoti: It doesn't offend
[19:12] <EvilDMP> I'm not suggesting that offence is a good reason not to use it
[19:12] <ghoti> What metaphor would you suggests, then?
[19:13] <ghoti> s/sts/st/
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[19:14] <ghoti> It seems to me that the value of a metaphor is that it conveys a relationship between the topic at hand and the thing that may have existing significance for many people.
[19:14] <EvilDMP> ghoti: People are free to make their own judgements and use whatever words they like.
[19:14] <ghoti> As such, "cancer" might be a better metaphor than, say, "a dingo", since more people can relate to it.
[19:15] <Phil_J_Fry> its a perfect word to describe junk that doesnt work
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[19:15] <gordonDrogon> Phil_J_Fry, not a terribly appropriate video for a family friendly channel.
[19:15] <Phil_J_Fry> cancer is cancer it exists in technology and real life
[19:15] <IT_Sean> Phil_J_Fry: that youtube link is not aproperate for #raspberrypi
[19:16] <Phil_J_Fry> IT_Sean: you think kids dont watch south park or family guy?
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> now you're failing the "don't be a jerk rule".
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[19:16] <shiftplusone> It's not a matter of whether they do or don't. It's whether we endorse it here or not. Yes, people swear, we swear, we know. Just not in here.
[19:17] * methuzla starting to think Phil_J_Fry might be a troll. see also #raspbian
[19:17] <Phil_J_Fry> shiftplusone: thx for advise ill go research and maybe purchase, it's getting too righteous for me in here
[19:17] <shiftplusone> farewell
[19:17] <EvilDMP> ghoti: Having had a relationship with it, it's not a metaphor I would use casually. I would prefer it if other people didn't, but I am not offended by it or bothered by it.
[19:17] <IT_Sean> bye
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[19:18] <Phil_J_Fry> you should be scared of God not of a disease
[19:18] <Phil_J_Fry> tata
[19:18] <EvilDMP> I thought you were leaving
[19:19] <shiftplusone> Lol
[19:19] <ghoti> EvilDMP: I think it's a matter of personal taste. I too have had a relationship with it, and I therefore found PJF's metaphor particularly effective.
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[19:21] <GenteelBen> The Late Philip J. Fry
[19:21] <shiftplusone> heh
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[19:21] <Phil_J_Fry> why did you summon me
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[19:22] <gordonDrogon> Phil_J_Fry, this isn't a MUD. you weren't summoned.
[19:22] <Phil_J_Fry> i have my thing set to phil philip fry so it summons me
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[19:25] <ghoti> So it seems that there are unwritten rules as to what constitutes acceptable behaviour or modes of communication in this channel, and that one may be kicked without warning or explanation.
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> ghoti, the general rule is "don't be a jerk".
[19:25] <shiftplusone> right, it's not the job of IRC mods to teach people manners.
[19:26] <Habbie> unwritten? the topic has a link
[19:26] <Habbie> to a 3 page document
[19:26] <IT_Sean> ghoti: the channel rules are clearly spelled out in the rules link in the channel topic.
[19:26] <methuzla> ^^
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> it's also intende dto be a family friendly place. I want my 8 year old neice to read this without asking "what's that..." questions.
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> or clicking on unwelcome links.
[19:26] <shiftplusone> there are many other raspberry pi related channels
[19:27] <shiftplusone> if the way the channel is run bothers somebody to the point that they want to argue about it, they are welcome to leave.
[19:28] <ghoti> So I gather that PJF's post of a link containing explicit langauge in a South Park episode would constitute a violation of the Language & Content Policy.
[19:28] <Habbie> ghoti, yes
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[19:29] <ghoti> Gotcha.
[19:30] <ghoti> Glad he wasn't kicked due to his defence of his right to (sans-foul-language) free expression.
[19:30] <IT_Sean> You seem to be confusing this channel with a free country.
[19:31] <Phil_J_Fry> ...
[19:31] <shiftplusone> Are you parading your nukes again?
[19:31] <IT_Sean> you know it!
[19:32] <Phil_J_Fry> i posted the link for 2 people, it wasnt your business to click it and get offended
[19:32] <Phil_J_Fry> teach kids that
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> now you're being a jerk.
[19:32] <GenteelBen> He posted it for Bender and Amy.
[19:32] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *!~Philip_J_@216.151.180.*
[19:32] <methuzla> thanks
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[19:35] <strixUK> wrt wifi+bt performance and the way they can be made to play nicely, the cypress/broadcom part that implements wifi+bt used in the pi3 has a single antenna that is multiplexed between the two, such that neither of them try to transmit simultaneously
[19:35] <Habbie> strixUK, ah
[19:35] <Habbie> strixUK, so there is a hardware limitation
[19:36] <strixUK> neat trick, must have been complex to coördinate (in terms of latencies etc)
[19:36] <Habbie> on the receiving end, yes
[19:36] <strixUK> for TX, too, but obviously the MAC can't control when other BT/WiFi stations attempt to transmit bac
[19:36] <strixUK> *back
[19:37] <Habbie> well TX you can just buffer
[19:37] <strixUK> it's also why the pi doesn't support 5 gig
[19:37] <strixUK> exactly, and then TDM access to the antenna for each TX queue
[19:38] <Habbie> right
[19:38] <Habbie> that's, speaking from the bench, the easy part
[19:39] <strixUK> yes. the clever bit is to divide time between the two such that the modulated signal goes out at the right time relative to the physical layer stuff between the respective tx queues
[19:39] <Habbie> indeed
[19:40] <Habbie> bbl
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[19:51] <localhorse> why do i need an orange pi to execute x86 libraries? http://orange314.com/Run_x86_code_on_OPI
[19:51] <localhorse> "Your Linux kernel (on the Orange Pi) needs to be compiled with the option CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y or CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=m, the latter meaning a module called binfmt_misc is created."
[19:51] <localhorse> can i do this on a rpi3 too?
[19:51] <localhorse> with raspbian?
[19:51] <shiftplusone> yes and no
[19:52] <shiftplusone> ...mostly yes, but some no.
[19:52] <localhorse> how "no"?
[19:52] <shiftplusone> There is nothing preventing you from doing it, but you'll find that you'll need a special version of qemu.
[19:52] <shiftplusone> which you can steal from eltech's github page
[19:53] <shiftplusone> there's also a free trial of exagear in the apt repo which you can try.
[19:53] <localhorse> shiftplusone: which repo?
[19:53] <shiftplusone> but it's one of those things where if you have to ask, you're probably going to have a hard time getting it working
[19:53] <shiftplusone> raspberrypi.org
[19:53] <clever> ive tried similiar before to run teamspeak on an rpi, but the pulseaudio library threw an assert, and gdb didnt like mixing arches
[19:55] <YuGiOhJCJ> when you type "sudo dmesg | grep Memory:" do you see "Memory: 111520K/131072K available" on your RPI 3B please?
[19:56] <shiftplusone> I suspect that value will depend on your memory split
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[19:57] <YuGiOhJCJ> I mean you should have around 10x more
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[19:59] <YuGiOhJCJ> copy/paste the value you have please
[19:59] <shiftplusone> yeah
[19:59] <shiftplusone> [ 0.000000] Memory: 939064K/966656K available (6357K kernel code, 432K rwdata, 1716K rodata, 476K init, 764K bss, 19400K reserved, 8192K cma-reserved)
[19:59] <localhorse> shiftplusone: which repo has the qemu version that works for this?
[19:59] <shiftplusone> do you have fixup* files in your boot partition?
[19:59] <localhorse> i cant find it
[19:59] <shiftplusone> localhorse: did I say qemu? sorry, I meant wine.
[20:01] <localhorse> shiftplusone: but wine only emulates winapi, not the arch
[20:01] <localhorse> no?
[20:01] <shiftplusone> yes, you'd run wine through qemu
[20:01] <shiftplusone> qemu in user, not system mode.
[20:02] <YuGiOhJCJ> shiftplusone, thanks for the values OK so I have a problem with my Linux kernel: It does not detect the correct amount of memory but maybe it is because I don't have the /opt/vc and /lib/modules directory installed
[20:02] <localhorse> shiftplusone: then why do i need wine?
[20:02] <localhorse> shiftplusone: would exagear be easier?
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[20:03] <shiftplusone> localhorse: sorry, I missed the point of your question. Are you running x86 linux binaries or windows binaries?
[20:03] <localhorse> i need network access to the outside from my program
[20:03] <shiftplusone> if linux, then qemu should be enough
[20:03] <localhorse> shiftplusone: linux
[20:03] <localhorse> it's a .so library
[20:03] <localhorse> i want to use it on rpi3
[20:03] <shiftplusone> yeah, qemu with a chroot should work.
[20:03] <shiftplusone> sorry, I was way off with my answer earlier
[20:04] <localhorse> and the program has to be compiled for arm or x86?
[20:04] <shiftplusone> YuGiOhJCJ: no, I don't think so. What files do you have on your boot partition?
[20:04] <localhorse> shiftplusone: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, not stripped
[20:04] <shiftplusone> localhorse: the way I see it working is that you have a chroot which contains an x86 rootfs with all the libraries and applications you need.
[20:05] <localhorse> and then it can use network access?
[20:05] <shiftplusone> I don't know if you can just link in a library of a different architecture.
[20:05] <shiftplusone> yes
[20:05] <localhorse> do i have to compile the program for x86 too?
[20:05] <YuGiOhJCJ> shiftplusone, bootcode.bin start.elf kernel7.img bcm2710-rpi-3-b.dtb ...
[20:05] <shiftplusone> I believe so
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[20:05] <shiftplusone> YuGiOhJCJ: like I said, you're missing the fixup.dat file
[20:05] <localhorse> shiftplusone: would exagear be easier?
[20:05] <localhorse> ive never used chroot
[20:05] <localhorse> or qemu
[20:05] <shiftplusone> localhorse: no, exagear is for running x86 windows binaries
[20:05] <localhorse> but i need my program to run at boot and have networking
[20:06] <YuGiOhJCJ> shiftplusone, oh ok I thought these files were useless
[20:06] <localhorse> shiftplusone: really?
[20:06] <YuGiOhJCJ> shiftplusone, so I dropped them well I will try to put them again
[20:07] <shiftplusone> localhorse: yup, but don't expect miracles. They have shown diablo, the original counter strike, skype and such working, but I wouldn't expect great performance from heavier applications.
[20:07] <shiftplusone> and it's quite expensive
[20:07] <localhorse> 25 EUR
[20:07] <localhorse> for lifetime
[20:07] <localhorse> or are there hidden fees?
[20:07] <localhorse> 25 EUR is cheaper than intel edison
[20:08] <shiftplusone> YuGiOhJCJ: the fixup files set up the memory split, so without them you'd expect the exact behavior you're seeing.
[20:08] <localhorse> my program is not heavy, it's just a client written in Rust
[20:09] <localhorse> shiftplusone: where does it say that exagear is only for windows apps?
[20:09] <localhorse> "ExaGear is a virtual machine that implements virtual x86 Linux container on ARM and allows you to run Intel x86 applications directly on ARM."
[20:09] <shiftplusone> I don't know if it's ONLY for windows apps.
[20:09] <localhorse> virtual x86 Linux container
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[20:10] <localhorse> shiftplusone: would it be easier to just buy an intel board?
[20:10] <localhorse> and install arch or something
[20:10] <localhorse> my program has to run without GUI, start at boot time
[20:11] <localhorse> no user interaction
[20:11] <shiftplusone> Intel board? what is this heresy?
[20:11] <shiftplusone> I'd just give qemu a go and see how far you get.
[20:11] <localhorse> shiftplusone: but what should i do as the first step?
[20:11] <localhorse> which repo did you mean above?
[20:11] <localhorse> from eltech
[20:12] <shiftplusone> yeah, if you haven't used it before in user mode, it might be a little tricky to get started
[20:12] <shiftplusone> the apt repo or the github repo?
[20:12] <localhorse> the one that you meant above. i dont know what you meant
[20:13] <shiftplusone> I mentioned two. It's not important, you don't have to do anything special with any repos.
[20:13] <YuGiOhJCJ> shiftplusone, Memory: 939064K/966656K available thanks!
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[20:13] <shiftplusone> np
[20:13] <localhorse> "There is nothing preventing you from doing it, but you'll find that you'll need a special version of qemu. which you can steal from eltech's github page"
[20:13] <localhorse> which repo?
[20:14] <shiftplusone> yes, I meant wine, not qemu and that was when I thought you wanted to run windows libraries. You don't need it.
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[20:15] <localhorse> shiftplusone: will this work on a rpi3 or is it too old? https://github.com/AlbrechtL/RPi-QEMU-x86-wine
[20:15] <shiftplusone> I would expect the version in the repo to work now.
[20:15] <shiftplusone> the apt repo
[20:15] <shiftplusone> already included
[20:15] <shiftplusone> nothing special
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[20:18] <shiftplusone> localhorse: maybe give the exagear trial a go, see if the basic setup works for you and then decide whether you want to do it yourself of buy it.
[20:18] <localhorse> shiftplusone: do i have to add the repo to the list first?
[20:19] <shiftplusone> No
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[20:19] <localhorse> just apt-get install exagear?
[20:21] <shiftplusone> trying to find instructions
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[20:23] <shiftplusone> sudo apt-get install exagear-desktop
[20:23] <shiftplusone> https://eltechs.com/run-teamspeak-3-server-on-raspberry-pi/
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[21:16] <RoyK> hm... can I enable ssh without using a monitor? I just setup a pi with minimal raspbian
[21:17] <ShorTie> ya, make a ssh file in /boot to turn it on
[21:17] <shiftplusone> yes, drop a file... what he said.
[21:17] <RoyK> as in just touch /boot/ssh ?
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[21:17] <shiftplusone> that's the boot partition, not a directory named /boot
[21:18] <RoyK> I know, but it's mounted on /boot
[21:18] <shiftplusone> yes
[21:18] <shiftplusone> but if you have a running system you can run touch /boot/ssh on, you can just as easily run sudo systemctl enable ssh.
[21:19] <RoyK> I don't have a monitor with hdmi here
[21:19] <shiftplusone> I'll just assume you know what you're doing, unless you run into trouble.
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[21:26] <RoyK> shiftplusone: I first installed Linux in 1994 and have been using it since then ;)
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[21:28] <shiftplusone> I often see people talk as if they couldn't possibly make a mistake by prefacing things with "I've been working with <insert antiquated hardware here> since 1826!", like being bad at something for a long time is a credential. (No, I don't think that applies to you.)
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[21:33] <ShorTie> but 1826 twas a good year
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[21:37] <RoyK> shiftplusone: seriously - I work with operations on linux systems ;)
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[21:37] <shiftplusone> RoyK: I know, but everyone makes silly mistakes sometimes or falls victim to ambiguous instructions.
[21:38] <RoyK> heh - ruining a just installed pi isn't really a nightmare
[21:39] <RoyK> and I doubt enabling ssh on it will do that
[21:39] <shiftplusone> Nope, you're fine, it was just off-topic rambling from me.
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[21:42] <mfa298> like shiftplusone I've seen plenty of people who do the "I've been using computers for years I'm an expert and know what I'm doing" who really don't know what they're actually doing.
[21:42] <mfa298> some people seem to just make assumptions without thinking about it.
[21:43] <shiftplusone> worse, I was thinking of people who are so confident that they couldn't have done something wrong that they refuse to check. "No, it can't be the power, it's connected to a bench power supply!"
[21:43] <mfa298> heh
[21:44] <RoyK> shiftplusone: it has do do with vaccines
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[21:44] <shiftplusone> and chemtrails
[21:44] <mfa298> the ones I've had a few times are when I've suggested looking at python+flask
[21:44] <mfa298> and they ignore it, or start going off about why adobe are so evil
[21:44] <shiftplusone> O_o what does adobe have to do with flask?
[21:45] <RoyK> shiftplusone: actually, chemtrails spread poisous vaccines, didn't you know?
[21:45] <mfa298> on forum posts I've taken to saying: flask (note it's a K no H)
[21:45] <shiftplusone> mfa298: oh, lol!
[21:46] <shiftplusone> RoyK: I thought they were spraying fluoride and LSD and turning the frogs... something or other.
[21:46] <RoyK> and DHMO
[21:47] <shiftplusone> people drown in that!
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[21:47] <IT_Sean> Dihydrogen Monoxide? That stuff is toxic in large doses, as well.
[21:48] <RoyK> Just Don't Trust Scientists - they think they know more than you, but they are all lying!
[21:49] <shiftplusone> Agh.... and the 'cancer is a fungus' people..... I've seen too much of the internet, I think.
[21:49] <RoyK> I didn't see that :)
[21:49] <mfa298> IT_Sean: I like my dihydro monoxide infused with C8H10N4O2
[21:50] <shiftplusone> also known as filthy bean water.
[21:50] <RoyK> mfa298: add some c2h5-oh to that
[21:50] <shiftplusone> To quote a not-so-great man.
[21:50] <shiftplusone> sorry, I think it was vile bean fluid... close enough.
[21:51] <RoyK> mfa298: or ch3-oh if you don't like the guy
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[21:55] <RoyK> - Johnny was a chemist's son, but Johnny is no more. For what he thought was H2O was H2SO4.
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[22:03] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone: That's Vile beanfluid!
[22:04] <shiftplusone> Ah, there it is. I was wondering why there was no response.
[22:04] <oq> caffeine water sounds pretty gross
[22:04] <IT_Sean> it is.
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[22:04] <IT_Sean> vile stuff, that.
[22:04] <cnnx> when is the next rpi comming out
[22:05] <shiftplusone> tomorrow
[22:05] <cnnx> and will it be the 4?
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[22:05] <cnnx> shiftplusone: you're joking?
[22:05] <shiftplusone> yes
[22:05] <cnnx> ok
[22:05] <cnnx> not funny
[22:05] <oq> cnnx: 2017
[22:05] <shiftplusone> Raspberry Pi don't announce upcoming releases.
[22:05] <IT_Sean> I thought it was!
[22:05] <cnnx> ok
[22:05] * IT_Sean laughed
[22:05] <cnnx> any of you built an outdoor rover 4 wheel robot with the rpi?
[22:05] <oq> there should be a pi3 model a soon
[22:06] <oq> pi4 is at least a year off though
[22:06] <shiftplusone> oq: I've learned to interpret 'soon' differently when talking about raspberry pi products.
[22:06] <cnnx> i want usb 3
[22:06] <cnnx> and more cores
[22:06] <IT_Sean> cnnx: Buy a pC.
[22:06] <oq> buy an intel nuc
[22:06] <shiftplusone> something more expensive than a pi, in any case.
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[22:10] <RoyK> The perfect pi has a 32 core CPU clocked around 5GHz, with USB 3.1, 10 gigabit ethernet, 802.11n and bluetooth and zigbee and z-wave, 4GB RAM, costs 50 bucks and uses around 100mA
[22:10] <RoyK> I'd like PoE on the next one, though
[22:10] <IT_Sean> RoyK: you are describing a PC.
[22:10] <shiftplusone> PoE is probably best done as external hardware.
[22:11] <RoyK> IT_Sean: I know ;)
[22:11] <shiftplusone> IT_Sean: not if it's in a pi zero form factor.
[22:11] <IT_Sean> RoyK: that, the size of a Pi, is going to cost well more than $35.
[22:11] <RoyK> but PoE is easily integrated onboard
[22:11] <RoyK> and it's very useful
[22:12] <mfa298> meh, 10GbE is so last decade, should have at least 40GbE
[22:12] <RoyK> mfa298: let's see if that PoS CPU can deliver a gigabit, for starters ;)
[22:12] <RoyK> that is, the buses
[22:13] <RoyK> I doubt it
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[22:13] <shiftplusone> agh! my chair tried to kill me.
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[22:13] <shiftplusone> I didn't know the arm rests were adjustable. I leaned on it and my finger hit the adjustment thing and it dropped out from under me. >=/
[22:13] <shiftplusone> (I am sure everyone cares)
[22:14] <mfa298> shiftplusone: you should have read the manual, then you would have known about the arm rests and probably seen many warnings :p
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[22:15] <shiftplusone> They were not issues with a manual. I should sue the company.
[22:15] <shiftplusone> *issued
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[22:15] <jarshvor> hi all, i'm trying to trouble shoot network connectivity on a usb ethernet adapter attached to a raspberry pi
[22:15] <shiftplusone> Headline: Raspberry Pi out of business. Employee an idiot.
[22:15] <mfa298> you mean you wern't made to go on a mandatory 1/2 course on how to use the chair
[22:16] <shiftplusone> heh
[22:16] <shiftplusone> jarshvor: is it showing up if you run ifconfig -a?
[22:17] <psiklops> Hi. I am having trouble 'cloning' my SanDisk (10) 8 GB Raspbian-Jessie-Lite.img using # dd bs=4M if=/dev/sdb of=raspbian.img
[22:17] <jarshvor> ip addr shows the adapter interface yes... have two at the moment, onboard and usb. (am actually trying to troubleshoot for a raspizero.. but i shouldnt sidetrack)
[22:17] <jarshvor> so its eth0 and eth1 in short
[22:17] <psiklops> It was installed to a RPi 2 B+
[22:17] <jarshvor> eth1 is the one's thats giving problems.
[22:17] <psiklops> Are there any tools that i can use that work better than dd ?
[22:18] <jarshvor> I must say I can only hook up the ethernet cable to one at a time, but the problem seems to be the usb adapter's interface, never switches state to UP
[22:18] <shiftplusone> psiklops: better in what way?
[22:18] <mfa298> psiklops: what 'trouble' are you actually having ?
[22:18] <shiftplusone> dd does exactly what it says on the tin.
[22:19] <jarshvor> even thought I try 'ip link set dev eth1 up'
[22:19] <psiklops> shiftplusone, mfa298 after i dd the cloned image to an identical SDcard, an run it on another RPi 2 B+
[22:19] <shiftplusone> jarshvor: so what's the problem? What are you going for? Do you want dhcp on both interfaces and have one as default or....?
[22:19] <psiklops> I get a Rainbow screen or a kernel panic
[22:20] <shiftplusone> psiklops: did you sync after each dd and did you get any errors about running out of space?
[22:20] <jarshvor> shiftplusone: no. merely troubleshooting the usb adapter to see weather or not its faulty.
[22:20] <psiklops> shiftplusone, yes i did sync, and there were no error messages
[22:20] <jarshvor> shiftplusone: trying out with static ip just for testing, but the problems seems to be the interface never goes UP
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[22:21] <shiftplusone> jarshvor: i'd run dhclient on eth1, see if it gets an ip and then ping the router, and google.com.
[22:21] <jarshvor> ok, ill try with dhcp on the usb interface. see what happens shiftplusone
[22:22] <shiftplusone> psiklops: did you make sure the sd card wasn't mounted in either case?
[22:22] <mfa298> psiklops: it might be worth trying your cloned card on the original Pi2 first, If that works you might need to do an apt-get distupgrade before cloneing for the 2nd Pi (if it's a newer model it might have some changes that need updated firmware)
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[22:22] <psiklops> shiftplusone, yes.
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[22:23] <psiklops> mfa298, testing it on the original sounds the best choice now ;-)
[22:23] <shiftplusone> rainbow screen typically means kernel failed to run.
[22:23] <psiklops> thanx
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[22:23] <psiklops> shiftplusone, ok
[22:24] <shiftplusone> perhaps md5sum on all the boot partition files could tell you something
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[22:25] <psiklops> ok
[22:25] <psiklops> clear
[22:26] <jarshvor> shiftplusone: dhcp not working either... interface never goes UP. :/
[22:27] <shiftplusone> jarshvor: it doesn't bring it up automatically? What happens if you run ifconfig up eth1? or whichever way around the syntax is.
[22:29] <mfa298> psiklops: also take note of shiftplusone's comment, don't try and clone a mounted SD card, that'll likely lead to something inconsistent
[22:30] <psiklops> mfa298, no no ... it wasn't mounted
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[22:31] <shiftplusone> the only other snafu I know people make is write to /dev/sdXn instead of /dev/sdX, but that's probably not the problem here.
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[22:31] <mrkramps> sync?
[22:32] <mrkramps> after dd?
[22:32] <shiftplusone> mrkramps: are asking that as a suggestion or is that incredulity at the suggestion?
[22:33] <mrkramps> asking as a question
[22:33] <mrkramps> which will maybe become a suggesting if the answer is "no"
[22:33] <mrkramps> *suggestion
[22:33] <shiftplusone> <psiklops> shiftplusone, yes i did sync
[22:34] <mrkramps> i'm sorry, did not read the full backlog
[22:35] <shiftplusone> I tend not to as well >.>
[22:35] <mrkramps> =)
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[23:15] <jarshvor> shiftplusone: ifconfig eth1 up -> also down
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[23:24] <polprog> jarshvor: what's in your /etc/network/interfaces file?
[23:24] <polprog> i assume you run on debian
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[23:25] <jarshvor> polprog: no nerwork but netctl, interfaces dir is empty in any case. Running archlinux-arm
[23:25] <polprog> oh. hello fellow archer then.
[23:25] <polprog> let me refresh my netctl knowledge
[23:26] <polprog> iirc i use systemd-networkd because netctl was driving me nuts
[23:26] <jarshvor> basically I have a netctl profile under /etc/netctl/
[23:26] <jarshvor> oh.. I actually find it super minimialistic and easy.
[23:26] <polprog> what's in that profile?
[23:26] <jarshvor> I've been recemended systemd's network by the people at #systemd
[23:27] <polprog> that's obvious ;)
[23:27] <jarshvor> they say it can do some neat stuff, but Id rather stick with netctl
[23:27] <jarshvor> too much already on systemd for me
[23:27] <polprog> anyway, try to start your profile with 'netctl start profile'
[23:27] <polprog> networkd runs fine on my setup cos i have an AP active sometimes.
[23:27] <jarshvor> profile is basically: Interface=name
[23:28] <polprog> so i made a unit file that takes care
[23:28] <polprog> wait.
[23:28] <jarshvor> Connection=ethernet
[23:28] <polprog> is it like the example?
[23:28] <jarshvor> netctl start profile fails
[23:28] <jarshvor> yep
[23:28] <jarshvor> ive tried static and dhcp
[23:28] <polprog> and what's the error
[23:29] <jarshvor> I can actually sometimes start the profile succesfully, but interface is down
[23:29] <jarshvor> and I cant ping anything
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[23:29] <jarshvor> not even gateway, even when i manage to get an Ip
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[23:30] <polprog> i had that ping problem.. if sudo ping work it's a setuid bit prob
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[23:30] <jarshvor> even if the interface state is DOWN?
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[23:30] <polprog> no
[23:31] <polprog> if interface's down you wont be able to ping anything no matter what
[23:31] <jarshvor> whats the meaning of the two parts when I do ip addr
[23:31] <jarshvor> ?
[23:32] <polprog> which two parts?
[23:32] <jarshvor> part in brackets... : <NO Carrier, multicast... UP> .... state DOWN ...
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[23:33] <jarshvor> where it says first one is UP, bu the state never goes UP
[23:33] <jarshvor> whats the meaning of the first part¿
[23:33] <polprog> i think you would need to take a pic and post it somewhere
[23:33] <jarshvor> one sec
[23:33] <polprog> that first part tell you if it's multicast or unicast for example
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[23:34] <polprog> run that netctl status and post the output
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[23:34] <jarshvor> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_Debugging
[23:34] <jarshvor> what I mean is where it says Link status, the second code box.
[23:34] <jarshvor> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_Debugging
[23:34] <jarshvor> sorry here:
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[23:34] <jarshvor> 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN qlen 1000
[23:35] <jarshvor> link/ether 70:5a:b6:8a:a0:87 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
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[23:35] <polprog> state DOWN is what matters here
[23:35] <polprog> what about that status command?
[23:35] <jarshvor> 1sec
[23:37] <jarshvor> http://sprunge.us/gGJA
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[23:41] <polprog> have you declared Interface=xyz ?
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[23:41] <jarshvor> in the profile?
[23:41] <jarshvor> yes.. Interface=eth1
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[23:42] <polprog> are you sure it's not enp1s0 or something like that?
[23:43] <jarshvor> http://sprunge.us/TDFE
[23:43] <jarshvor> well, it isnt on the raspberry
[23:43] <jarshvor> http://sprunge.us/COih
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[23:44] <polprog> try to remove that ipv6 ip from eth1 and start the profile
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[23:48] <jarshvor> polprog: same thing... :/
[23:49] <jarshvor> still down. profile fails
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[23:49] <polprog> weird. maybe journalctl -xe will tell you something
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[23:52] <jarshvor> http://sprunge.us/XFKA
[23:53] <polprog> hmm, nothing unusual there
[23:53] <jarshvor> dont see any errors anywhere...
[23:53] <polprog> what happens if you try to bring eth1 down?
[23:53] <jarshvor> is it supposed to have state UP only when ethernet cable is plugged in, or either way?
[23:53] <polprog> may be the case
[23:53] <polprog> i dont remember
[23:54] <jarshvor> hmmm interestingly the first UP is now dissapeared
[23:54] <jarshvor> the one in brackets
[23:54] <jarshvor> state is DOWN
[23:54] <polprog> is the cable in?
[23:54] <polprog> my lappy is now on wlan and ethernet iface shows as state down
[23:55] <polprog> by the way, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/netctl#Wired_2
[23:55] <jarshvor> not right now, need to sleep; run the command and check from outside, sshing into it headless atm
[23:55] <polprog> network config via ssh is dangerous
[23:55] <polprog> i always had a fallback UART terminal :P
[23:55] <jarshvor> why so? dangerous or troublesome?
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[23:55] <jarshvor> fallback UART terminal?
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[23:56] <jarshvor> that soudns cool
[23:56] <jarshvor> so serial console?
[23:56] <jarshvor> via telnet or so?
[23:58] <jarshvor> Anyway... maynbe I should try this tommorrow with another cable connected comming from a router or so.
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[23:58] <jarshvor> seems wierd. Might just try and find another cheap adapter so I can swap and test.
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[23:58] <jarshvor> thanks for the help anyway polprog
[23:58] <polprog> always check hardware first
[23:59] <jarshvor> seems fine tho. the interface is there.
[23:59] <polprog> serial console.cool stuff.
[23:59] <jarshvor> mmm
[23:59] <jarshvor> how do u connect it to the pi?
[23:59] <polprog> try to check out that wiki article, it helped me to solve some netctl problems then
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[23:59] <jarshvor> (i need to get around to having some time for playing with my ESP8266

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