#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-04-23

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[0:31] <Psi-Jack> Yay, I've identified how my garage door limit switches work, and how to detect open, closed, moving.
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[0:52] <Mazhive> hello guys can some one tell me if i can some how use this http://www.circuitbasics.com/arduino-thermistor-temperature-sensor-tutorial/ on a raspbery pi
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[1:02] <SpeedEvil> Broadly, you 'can't'
[1:02] <SpeedEvil> The Pi has no analog to digital converter
[1:03] <SpeedEvil> (you can add one, but at that point...)
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[1:18] <Mazhive> how abot this http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/08/reading-analogue-sensors-with-one-gpio-pin/
[1:18] <Mazhive> about
[1:18] <Mazhive> replace the ldr with a thermistor
[1:18] <Mazhive> would this work ??
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[1:20] <Mazhive> SpeedEvil: but how would the code look like if it works.
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[1:24] <Psi-Jack> It wouldn't/
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[1:30] <SpeedEvil> Mazhive: It does not have the hardware to read analog voltages at all
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[1:30] <SpeedEvil> Mazhive: It does not work.
[1:31] <SpeedEvil> https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-11-ds18b20-temperature-sensing/hardware
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[1:44] <retrosenator> can I use the otg port on my A/zero to get a second usb port?
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[1:44] <NedScott> retrosenator: no
[1:45] <NedScott> there's only one USB port. The other uses a USB plug but is only connected to the power pins
[1:45] <NedScott> as in, the data pins on "power" are disconnected.
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[2:13] <Mazhive> thankyou for the link it will melt i think for my purpose :) i was looking at a mcp3002 or 8
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[2:32] <kw> will I be ok recording analog signals with a Pi0, 12bit ADS1015 and a Gravity Moisture Sensor (RB-Dfr-655)? I found out the hard way the the exposed solder on moisture sensors corrode
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[3:08] <Infect> hi
[3:08] <Infect> What do you guys do with your pi's?
[3:08] <oq> hi
[3:09] <oq> they sit in a drawer
[3:09] <Infect> I'm thinking of getting a pi zero(if I can find one)
[3:09] <Infect> but I never have good ideas with them
[3:09] <Infect> closest I got was the lapdock mod thing
[3:09] <methuzla> start with whatever interest you
[3:09] <Chillum> one is my media centre, one is my security camera, one is my emulation station
[3:09] <Chillum> one controls a thermal printer
[3:09] <Chillum> one I use for hacking
[3:10] <oq> I believe the kids call it pentesting nowadays Chillum
[3:10] <Infect> Not many things seem interesting / practical that I could do
[3:10] <methuzla> robots. space. plants. weather. photography. linux. cats. whatever.
[3:10] <Chillum> oq: I am old skool
[3:10] <Chillum> penetration testing has a whole different meaning for my generation ;)
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[3:16] <Mazhive> can some one tell me if this nokia 1100 can be controlled n a raspberry http://www.tinkernut.com/portfolio/make-smartwatch-old-cell-phone-part-1/
[3:16] <Mazhive> LCD
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[3:17] <Mazhive> seems quite easy for an arduino..
[3:17] <Chillum> probably
[3:17] <Chillum> since it uses a clock signal timing is likely not an issue
[3:18] <Chillum> though you may need to convert between logic levels as the pi is 3.3V logic
[3:18] <Chillum> and the arduino is 5V
[3:18] <Mazhive> how could i use the signals to acommodate the raspberry
[3:18] <Mazhive> would ?
[3:18] <Chillum> huh, looks like it is a 3.3V lcd
[3:18] <Mazhive> yep
[3:19] <Chillum> so it should be even simpler, no need for the dividers
[3:19] <Mazhive> i have one laying around so..
[3:19] <Mazhive> nice to have a lcd for displaying temperature or what ever.
[3:19] <Chillum> you would just have to read the library and figure out what it is doing and implement it on the pi, unless someone has done that already
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[3:21] <Mazhive> this particular screen uses the philips pcf8814 driver..
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[3:23] <Mazhive> https://github.com/dan-corneanu/PCF8814_GFX
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[3:24] <Mazhive> can this be translated to the raspberry ?
[3:24] <Mazhive> its a arduino lib
[3:26] <methuzla> depends on how much it depends on core arduino libs
[3:27] <methuzla> looks like a fair amount. so not easily.
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[3:27] <Mazhive> i am not a programmer but i can not find this suitable for the raspberry yet,, still searching..
[3:27] <Mazhive> ah
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[3:31] <Mazhive> where would i be if i wanted to port this to a raspberry _ i mean irc channel.. like in developers or software engeneering ??
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[3:40] <SpeedEvil> Mazhive: is there a particular reason for this display?
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[3:43] <Mazhive> i have it laying around i have a other display but thats a blackberry wich is gone be muc mor dificult to use since it probably uses proprietary screens
[3:44] <Mazhive> i am scrapping old stuff to use in one project
[3:45] <Mazhive> i got a blackberry curve screen and some other nokia screens which i cant remember the models ,, :)
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[4:23] <Sonny_Jim> checking build system type... armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabihf
[4:23] <Sonny_Jim> Is that correct for a Pi3?
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[7:47] <johngilbrough> Would anyone know where the time format is stored on the Raspberry 3? I'd rather just give it a value of "%a, %b %d @ %I:%M:%S %P" rather than doing it by hand.
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[7:49] <CoJaBo> time format?
[7:50] <polprog> yeah, no such thing
[7:50] <polprog> what do you need to do
[7:51] <johngilbrough> By default the Raspberry time display format is set to "%R" that gives a simple 24-hour clock.
[7:51] <polprog> the clock on the panel on the desktop,right?
[7:51] <johngilbrough> Yes
[7:52] <polprog> which desktop is it, xfce?
[7:52] <polprog> lxde i meant
[7:52] <johngilbrough> Yes
[7:52] <polprog> that applets supports only hh:mm display, im afraid
[7:53] <johngilbrough> Right click on it and one change chanage the "digital clock settings".
[7:53] <johngilbrough> I use a format of "%a, %b %d @ %I:%M:%S %P" which is a whole lot better.
[7:54] <polprog> and?
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[7:54] <johngilbrough> Why did you think it only supports hh:mm?
[7:55] <johngilbrough> brb
[7:55] <polprog> i was thinking about that lcd-style clock
[7:56] <polprog> given that the last time i fired graphical interface on the pi a year ago, thigs might have changed
[7:57] <polprog> fired up*; i still didnt wake up:D
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[8:18] <Sonny_Jim> Who the hell writes a botnet in Lua
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[8:45] <mobyduck> I've been pondering programming an rpg game, similar in look and feel to the SNES zelda (whatever it was called). The question is, how much work does the graphics part of it entail? I'm a decent programmer, but when it comes to graphics I've only tinkered with Java Swing before, which I found to be time consuming and buggy.
[8:46] <Sonny_Jim> mobyduck: There's a few places that you can get open source artwork from
[8:46] <Sonny_Jim> But RPGs in particular are always 'That's seems easy' when it actually isn't
[8:46] <mobyduck> Sonny_Jim: yeah, I've found quite a bit of it.
[8:46] <Sonny_Jim> Start with a game design document and go from there
[8:47] <mobyduck> RPGs are often really hard in that you more or less have to make a level designer, and then spend arduous hours designing levels and adventures :)
[8:48] <mobyduck> I know that part is going to be time consuming as hell, but I won't even get to that part until I have the graphics down
[8:49] <Sonny_Jim> An option is to just use placeholders graphics until you find an artist willing to help
[8:49] <Sonny_Jim> But having a game design document will help with that, as the artist can get on with designing sprites whilst you write code
[8:50] <mobyduck> I'll use some sort of openly available artwork, but I'm trying to decide which programming language and framework is worth the effort
[8:50] <Lartza> Even if it's just you, and you should know this if you've studied even CS or something, planning/design makes everything a lot better
[8:50] <Sonny_Jim> python is a popular choice
[8:51] <Sonny_Jim> Nice and portable as well, RPGs typically don't have demanding graphics requirements
[8:51] <mobyduck> Lartza: yeah, I know. We did a small game in one of the courses I read. I know a little bit about what it entails, at least
[8:51] <Sonny_Jim> Other than python, SDL2 is another popular choice, for pretty much the same reason, portable
[8:51] <Lartza> Python sucks in anything too complicated though yeah
[8:53] <mobyduck> I've only done small things in python so far
[8:54] <Sonny_Jim> One thing python is very good for, is the huge amount of stuff available for it
[8:54] <mobyduck> this is true
[8:54] <Sonny_Jim> Want to talk to the ebay API? import ebay_api_thingy and boom
[8:55] <Sonny_Jim> All depends on what programming language you feel most comfortable with
[8:55] <Lartza> I wanted to talk to the YouTube Data API, from googleapiclient.discovery import build :P
[8:55] <Lartza> But for games python is still kind of bad
[8:55] <mobyduck> Sonny_Jim: I feel most comfortable with java and C, but I hate the former and the latter would really make me work hard for what I want to do ;)
[8:55] <Lartza> It works as a scripting language for a proper game engine and an RPG with python is probably fine
[8:58] <mobyduck> Lartza: which language and framework would you recommend?
[8:58] <Lartza> Uhhhhhhhh I don't really know for an RPG
[8:58] <Lartza> Unity? :P
[8:59] <mobyduck> :)
[8:59] <mobyduck> Unity has quite a learning curve, I've heard
[8:59] <Lartza> In a way but even a non-programmer can make a game with it. But also it can get in a programmer's way :P
[9:00] <Lartza> There are a lot of engines really, Godot for instance is an open-source one
[9:00] <mobyduck> I program too little these days. Work as a sysadmin, so frontend graphics isn't exactly what I do all day :P
[9:01] <mobyduck> Lartza: yeah, there are *lots* of engines out there... kinnda makes it hard to choose
[9:01] <Lartza> Yeah that's why I think going with an engine is probably a good idea, instead of diving in with pure code and pretty much making your own engine with SDL
[9:02] <Lartza> Godot seems to be the really popular one, besides the propietary ones like Unity of course
[9:03] <Lartza> If you're doing web or phone games there are others than Godot that are used too but
[9:03] <Lartza> Even godot can export to android it seems :P
[9:03] <mobyduck> I'm just aiming for raspberry pi for now
[9:04] <Sonny_Jim> Unity seems like overkill, unless you wanted to make a 3D one
[9:05] <Lartza> Ehh Unity is used a lot for 2D games too nowadays and has more and more support for it in the engine, but that being said it still might be overkill
[9:05] <Lartza> it's not like Godot or other engines can't do 3D though
[9:06] <Sonny_Jim> I have no idea why you'd want to use Unity in a 2D game, but then again I don't know that much about Unity. I guess it has SDKs for a lot of different platforms
[9:06] <Lartza> Because it's popular, has a huge community, lots of tutorials and examples, and support for 2D?
[9:06] <Lartza> And it can export to a fair amount of platforms yes
[9:06] <mobyduck> Sonny_Jim: I know a couple of 2D games made in Unity.
[9:08] <mobyduck> would it be really stupid to make the game as a client/server architecture from the get-go? And build the frontend (and maybe even backend) in javascript?
[9:09] <Sonny_Jim> Unless you plan on it being multiplayer, I don't think you'd need to take that approach
[9:09] <Lartza> Or other similar reasons, like playable from the browser but even then you could just make the "backend" with javascript too
[9:09] <Lartza> HTML5 game
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[9:19] <mobyduck> there's probably 2D game engines for html5 too... *goes to google*
[9:19] <Lartza> libgdx
[9:19] <Lartza> And I mean a lot of game engines can export to html5
[9:20] <mobyduck> true
[9:25] <mobyduck> hrm. This is why I never get anywhere with projects like this. Hundreds of options, no idea which one is better than any other
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[10:19] <trijntje> I'm trying to install python3.5 on raspbian, but I keep getting locale errors: https://pastebin.com/Nfh1460m
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[11:09] <Parsi> is it possible to encrypt the SD card?
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[11:09] <Sonny_Jim> Sure
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[11:10] <Sonny_Jim> Don't think it's that easy with Raspbian though
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[11:10] <Sonny_Jim> Much easier to just setup an encrypted partition rather than the entire filesystem though
[11:13] <Parsi> i want to prevent users, who have the physical access to the device, manipulate files on the SD card
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[11:13] <Parsi> is there any easier solution?
[11:14] <mlelstv> you can always manipulate _some_ files on the SD card
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[11:15] <mlelstv> and with encryption there is the key problem to solve
[11:15] <Parsi> what about securing few files in the /var and /etc folders?
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[11:21] <ali1234> impossible without secure boot
[11:22] <ali1234> which the pi does not have currently
[11:22] <ali1234> althugh i bet the SoC supports it
[11:22] <Sonny_Jim> super glue the SD card in, or put the Pi in a secure case
[11:22] <ali1234> even that will not work
[11:22] <Parsi> physical solutions only
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[11:33] <amigojapan_bnc> by the way, we were cotinously playign emulated games on retro pi (with X also running) for about 4 hours on my RPI with the external battesry, and it only drained half way(that includes charding the iphone for internet teathereing during that time, and until I got back home charging hte iphoen for that, for like 2 or 3 hours more)
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[11:35] <brainwash> the touch screen drains not much?
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[11:36] <amigojapan_bnc> brainslug: not much at all, I was using the 7inch official display
[11:36] <brainwash> that is cool
[11:36] <amigojapan_bnc> brainwash: wither that or my battery is realy good, who knows
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[12:39] <mastoe> hey guys
[12:39] <mastoe> is it true with rasbpian that i can set wlan by creating a file to sd-card root?
[12:40] <wuseman> what?
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[12:40] <wuseman> plz explain more deep, yeah you can use wpa_supplicant if you create a file for example
[12:40] <wuseman> in /etc/wpa_supplicant
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[12:42] <mastoe> and i could enable ssh by creating a a file "ssh" at root?
[12:43] <mastoe> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/projects/track-overhead-flights-raspberry-pi-zero-w-software-defined-radio step 2
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[13:09] <mnemonic> mastoe: lol
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[13:18] <passerby233> mastoe: one more TIL, thx
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[13:35] <passerby233> mastoe: yes you can. i've tested on Pi 3B, with the lastest image
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[14:19] <mobyduck> I don't have my pi nearby atm. Anyone knows if LaTeX is available in raspbian?
[14:20] <polprog> it must be in the repo, i'll check
[14:25] <mobyduck> polprog: thanks :)
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[14:28] <polprog> you can use apt-cache to serach for the name when you have your pi, or install aptitude which is more interactive than ap or apt-get
[14:28] <polprog> apt or apt-get*
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[14:33] <Parsi> how many clients can connect to a RPi hotspot?
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[14:35] <mobyduck> Parsi: Are the clients using the Pi to connect to the internet or is the Pi running a webserver and serving content to them?
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[14:35] <Parsi> the second case, it's running a webserver
[14:36] <mobyduck> Parsi: The RACHEL project does something like that, and if I recall correctly they say it serves 5-10 clients well
[14:36] <mobyduck> depending on the website on it
[14:36] <Lartza> Uhh the rpi should be able to handle a lot more
[14:37] <mobyduck> Lartza: it's quite possible that my numbers are very old :) And also possible that they're careful to not promise too much
[14:38] <Lartza> I mean it does depend a lot on what you're serving, but webservers are built to handle A LOT of requests
[14:38] <polprog> Parsi: what kind of content? that matters much
[14:38] <Parsi> polprog, static webpages
[14:38] <Parsi> using nginx
[14:38] <polprog> then manny
[14:39] <polprog> i'd say 100 or so a once
[14:39] <polprog> at once*
[14:39] <Parsi> this RACHEL project is interesting
[14:39] <Parsi> I wonder if is there any ready to use image for such purpose?
[14:39] <Parsi> a webserver and hotspot, no internet connection
[14:40] <Sonny_Jim> Probably
[14:40] <Sonny_Jim> In any case, wouldn't be that hard to setup using the Lite image
[14:40] <Parsi> i couldn't find and i did it myself
[14:40] <Sonny_Jim> apt-get install hostapd nginx
[14:42] <Parsi> this worked for me
[14:42] <Parsi> https://frillip.com/using-your-raspberry-pi-3-as-a-wifi-access-point-with-hostapd/
[14:42] <oq> you want dnsmasq too
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[15:13] <olivetree_> The raspberry pi is a great Server. I don't understand why use it in so basic tasks like a AP
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[15:17] <Sonny_Jim> You call 40Mb/s great?
[15:17] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[15:19] <mlelstv> it's all relative :)
[15:20] <HrdwrBoB> the raspberry pi is a terrible server
[15:20] <HrdwrBoB> for most definitions of server
[15:21] <mlelstv> it still outpaces a $100k Sun 3/160.
[15:21] <mlelstv> and that machine definitely fits the definition of server :)
[15:21] <HrdwrBoB> $100k when
[15:21] <mlelstv> 30 years ago
[15:21] <HrdwrBoB> yeah...
[15:22] <HrdwrBoB> amazingly, technology has moved on :P
[15:22] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[15:22] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah and a $20 model rocket can accelerate quicker than a Saturn V
[15:22] <mlelstv> just saying that its no competition to be called 'server'
[15:23] <Sonny_Jim> I mean for $35 or whatever, it's great
[15:23] <mlelstv> it's faster than the NAS "server" here, which is only 5 years old.
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[15:24] <Sonny_Jim> It shouldn't
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[15:24] <Sonny_Jim> Even 5 year old PC hardware should far outstrip a Pi
[15:24] <HrdwrBoB> mlelstv: then your NAS is crap
[15:24] <Sonny_Jim> Or has many more users than your Pi
[15:25] <mlelstv> no, it's low-power.
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[15:25] <Sonny_Jim> Not really
[15:26] <mlelstv> the NAS runs on 5W idle and 11W when busy.
[15:26] <Sonny_Jim> It's lower power, sure. But nothing on the Pi is geared towards it being a truly low power unit
[15:26] <Sonny_Jim> I'm just amazed you have a 5yr old PC that's slower than a Pi
[15:26] <mlelstv> the RPI is my "desktop" running on about 4W including a USB drive.
[15:26] <mlelstv> the NAS is no PC.
[15:27] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
[15:27] <mlelstv> it's an about RPI1 class device. But with better ethernet :)
[15:27] <Lartza> and SATA
[15:28] <Lartza> So still a better server than the RPi
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[15:28] <mlelstv> that depends. Most operations are CPU bound, on the NAS and on the RPI.
[15:28] <mlelstv> no SATA interface will help there :)
[15:29] <Lartza> Depends on what you do with the server
[15:29] <mlelstv> see, that's what I am saying.
[15:29] <Lartza> RPi is horrible for many other reasons too to use as a server
[15:29] <mlelstv> "server" means many things. Not just bitrate on wifi.
[15:29] <dtype> i use pis as servers everywhere
[15:29] <Lartza> They still aren't great for that
[15:29] <Lartza> Quite the opposite
[15:30] <dtype> just depends on what you need. in one case I need a reliable video spool for a set of security cameras, and the pi does just great and is quite reliable with no moving parts
[15:30] <dtype> in that case has plenty of cpu and i/o for the task, and its lack of moving parts means it will sit there for years and likely not fail
[15:31] <dtype> so "server" is quite a flexible word
[15:31] <oq> my server idles at 50w :(
[15:31] <Lartza> I can't measure, my server is in a datacenter
[15:31] <Lartza> CPU is rated for 130W though
[15:32] <oq> tdp is more of a measure of heat output for a heatsink to deal with than power usage
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[15:32] <mlelstv> that's a very good (heat) server then :)
[15:32] <Lartza> oq, I know, but that's really the only value I have
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[15:33] <Lartza> I could probably pull something with some monitoring tool but meh
[15:33] <Lartza> mlelstv, Doesn't bother me though thankfully :P
[15:33] <Lartza> 3000km or so away, heat output is neglible ;)
[15:34] <oq> don't datacenters bill you for the power you consume?
[15:34] <Lartza> No
[15:34] <Lartza> Well it's calculated into the monthly bill but
[15:34] <Lartza> You just pay a fixed fee
[15:34] <oq> so they don't break it down
[15:34] <Lartza> Even if you colocate usually
[15:34] <Lartza> Which I don't but
[15:35] <Lartza> Power is cheap
[15:35] <oq> eh
[15:35] <oq> a rack server consuming several hundred watts can really add up
[15:36] <mlelstv> it's usually mixed into the rent for the server
[15:36] <mlelstv> but if you just rent rack space, you have some fixed power contingent.
[15:36] <mlelstv> usually mixed into the price per HU
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[15:41] <djazz> first time an SD card gave up on me. rip :D
[15:41] <djazz> it will now be forever readonly
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[15:43] <dtype> power ain't cheap
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[15:44] <dtype> power and cooling often costs out over 2-3 years as much as the cost of a low to mid end server that it feeds
[15:44] <dtype> but anyway, different discussion
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[15:57] <sabrehagen> Why does my RPI 3 show an ARMv7 process under Debian Jessie? https://gist.github.com/sabrehagen/148a18cb0b4ea924c9686b808fa6c2b5
[15:57] <sabrehagen> i.e. not an ARMv8
[15:57] <mlelstv> because it's running 32bit code
[16:00] <Psi-Jack> sabrehagen: Because the code isn't yet updated to fully report it correctly. :)
[16:00] <Psi-Jack> And, 32-bit code.
[16:00] <Psi-Jack> That's WIP still.
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[16:10] <EvilDMP> If I power a Pi running OSMC from the USB port of my television, the television shuts off power to the USB port shortly after the television itself is turned off. Is that likely to lead to problems eventually? Sooner or later it's going to happen while the OS is writing to the boot volume (micro SD card).
[16:13] <shauno> you've pretty much answered your own question. it's "when, not if". you lower the odds by having a readonly rootfs, but you haven't escaped them entirely
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[16:17] <Sonny_Jim> I think I've just found the biggest security fail for a while. A particular openwrt image has it's admin page wide open on the WAN on port 80, but it's ok, say the authors, you can't change the password from the WAN side
[16:17] <Sonny_Jim> Ok, I'll just start up a SSH server using the admin pages and change it that way
[16:18] <Sonny_Jim> Fail
[16:19] <oq> Sonny_Jim: is this for a device with a single nic?
[16:19] <Sonny_Jim> No
[16:19] <oq> I've used openwrt before and the one I had was fulled locked down on the wan
[16:19] <Sonny_Jim> Has multiple NICs, even has multiple radios I think
[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> It's a build for the Asus RT-N14U
[16:21] <oq> I use pfsense nowadays
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[16:29] <zh1> does connector on rasp pi has a division for connecting another two more pi?
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[16:30] <leftyfb> zh1: what do you mean exactly?
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[16:55] <brainzap> I need a computer with e-ink display so I can work in the sun
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[16:57] <nacelle> how can you resist not working when you're in the sun?
[16:57] * nacelle suspects that you live at a different latitude
[16:58] <brainzap> I am not a hobbit
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[16:59] <nacelle> no idea what you mean
[16:59] <mlelstv> e-ink is a bit limited
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[17:04] <SpeedEvil> f-ink is what you want.
[17:04] <nevodka> ive got an older sony television and cant plug the pi to it via hdmi
[17:04] <newbie123> I have downloaded the Noobs ofline installer. When I boot the Pi I see only libreelec ...What's wrong ?
[17:04] <nevodka> as in, when i plug the two it says unsupported signal on the tv
[17:04] <nevodka> with two different hdmi cables
[17:04] <nevodka> it works if i use RCA though but the quality is just terrible
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[17:06] <leftyfb> newbie123: format the SD card, then copy the NOOBS files to the sd card and try again
[17:07] <leftyfb> nevodka: did you try any of these solutions? http://bfy.tw/BNpB
[17:07] <newbie123> leftyfb, I did format the SD card using Gparted and copied the files ... Should I do that again ?
[17:07] <nevodka> leftyfb, yes i googled it..
[17:07] <leftyfb> nevodka: which solutions did you try?
[17:08] <leftyfb> newbie123: Maybe try repartitioning it as well. Only 1 partition.
[17:08] <nevodka> i set config.txt to do config_hdmi_boost=4, hdmi_force_hotplug=1, hdmi_drive=2
[17:08] <leftyfb> newbie123: though, if you already understand partitioning and linux, why not just image the card with the OS you want to use?
[17:08] <nevodka> the other answers i read simply said they used a different hdmi cable
[17:08] <nevodka> which i've tried
[17:09] <leftyfb> nevodka: got the tv on the correct input?
[17:09] <nevodka> ...
[17:09] <newbie123> leftyfb, I zero filled the drive using dd ..Then created 1 FAT32 partition
[17:09] <nevodka> yes
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[17:09] <newbie123> leftyfb, Please point me to a guide
[17:09] <leftyfb> newbie123: a guide to using dd to image say, raspbian to your sd card?
[17:09] <nevodka> it's something to do with the tv as the hdmi works fine with a newer monitor
[17:10] <nevodka> but the hdmi port works for other devices
[17:10] <nevodka> so its something to do with the pi and the tv together
[17:10] <newbie123> leftyfb, A guide about how to image raspbian
[17:11] <leftyfb> newbie123: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/linux.md
[17:11] <nevodka> newbie123, sudo dd if=raspbian.img of=/dev/mmcblk0, or whatever device name your sd card has
[17:11] <zh1> leftyfb, wanna know if the big raspi connector plugs two connect two more pi's
[17:12] <nevodka> if you plug the card in and do dmesg | tail it should say what dev device it got
[17:12] <leftyfb> zh1: what "raspi connector plugs"?
[17:12] <nevodka> (assuming you are on linux right now)
[17:12] <nevodka> or do lsblk
[17:12] <leftyfb> nevodka: I gave him the link with official instructions
[17:12] <nevodka> sure but that's all there is to it :p
[17:12] <zh1> leftyfb, the first one on top of this image https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Raspberry-Pi-3-Flat-Top.jpg/1200px-Raspberry-Pi-3-Flat-Top.jpg
[17:13] <leftyfb> zh1: the GPIO pins?
[17:13] <leftyfb> zh1: connect how? For what purpose?
[17:13] <zh1> leftyfb, i wanna use two more pi's
[17:14] <leftyfb> zh1: Yes, I get that. What would be the purpose with "Connecting" the pi's together using the GPIO pins?
[17:14] <zh1> leftyfb, have three pi's to get more ram
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[17:14] <leftyfb> :/
[17:15] <leftyfb> zh1: that's not how computering works
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[17:17] <nevodka> zh1 you can't do it quite that way, if you are interested in distributed computation you would need to write a program as such and use a framework to divide the work among the several pi's
[17:18] <nevodka> one example being hadoop and mapreduce
[17:18] <newbie123> nevodka, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#Downloading_the_Fedora_ARM_image
[17:18] <newbie123> https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/25/Workstation/armhfp/images/Fedora-Workstation-armhfp-25-1.3-sda.raw.xz
[17:18] <nevodka> but if its a monolithic program like a browser you can't distribute that to the other pi's
[17:19] <nevodka> what about it newbie123
[17:19] <newbie123> nevodka, raw.xz
[17:19] <newbie123> Same method /
[17:19] <newbie123> ?
[17:19] <nevodka> you have to unzip it
[17:19] <nevodka> type man xz
[17:19] <newbie123> Okay
[17:20] <nevodka> or there seems to be a cat program
[17:21] <nevodka> xzcat Fedora-$TYPE-armhfp-21-5-sda.raw.xz | sudo dd of=$MEDIA; sync
[17:21] <nevodka> xzcat Fedora-Workstation-armhfp-25-1.3-sda.raw.xz | sudo dd of=/dev/blablabla; sync
[17:21] <nevodka> for your case
[17:21] <nevodka> replace /dev/blablabla with the device name mapped to your sd card obviously
[17:22] <Chillum> double check destination, sucks to overwrite the wrong device
[17:24] <passerby233> Chillum: i think you have a sad story
[17:24] <nevodka> yeah don't just guess on that one, as i said before running 'dmesg | tail' after you plug the sd card in should show the sd's card name and the device mapping
[17:24] <zh1> leftyfb, nevodka then how exactly do the pi's connect? besides the code? is the netween pi'sitself or with a connector?
[17:24] <Chillum> passerby233: I saw my room mate accidentally erase the boot partition of his fiance's hard drive when he was supposed to be making a backup
[17:24] <zh1> *between
[17:24] <Chillum> they did not get married
[17:24] <leftyfb> zh1: connect for what purpose?
[17:24] <nevodka> zh1 the connection would be on your local network
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[17:25] <nevodka> either wired through ethernet or wifi
[17:25] <zh1> leftyfb, join one with other
[17:25] <Chillum> she made him spaghetti then dumped it on his lap
[17:25] <leftyfb> jeezus christ
[17:25] <leftyfb> zh1: "join together" for what purpose?
[17:25] <leftyfb> zh1: what do you want to do with these pi's?
[17:26] <passerby233> Chillum: that's definitly a tragedy...
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[17:26] <Chillum> ya, poor hard drive
[17:26] <zh1> leftyfb, join hardware
[17:26] <leftyfb> zh1: they're not Voltron, you cannot "join" multiple pi's together to make 1 large power raspberry pi
[17:27] <Chillum> ohhh pivoltron
[17:27] <leftyfb> zh1: FOR WHAT PURPOSE?
[17:27] <leftyfb> zh1: what will the pi's be doing?
[17:27] <newbie123> nevodka, Does RASPBIAN JESSIE LITE offer a GUI or is it command line only ?
[17:27] <Chillum> it has a full gui
[17:27] <Chillum> ohh lite
[17:27] <Chillum> nevermind, don't know
[17:27] <passerby233> newbie123: command line only
[17:27] <leftyfb> lite does not have a GUI
[17:27] <newbie123> Okay
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[17:28] <nevodka> its not so difficult to install one after the fact
[17:28] <polprog> newbie123: if you don't feel strong in linux, you should use normal raspbian
[17:28] <leftyfb> zh1: what will the pi's be doing?
[17:28] <nevodka> if you need to connect to wireless you might need help but thats not hard either
[17:28] <passerby233> newbie123: the lite one is smaller and faster
[17:29] <newbie123> I am downloading the lite
[17:29] <leftyfb> passerby233: uh. It's not faster. If you disable the GUI on the full raspbian, it's the same speed as lite. If you install and run a GUI on lite, it's the same speed as the full version of raspbina
[17:29] <leftyfb> raspbian*
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[17:30] <polprog> ^^
[17:30] <passerby233> leftyfb: yeah you are right
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[17:31] <leftyfb> anyway, done trying to understand zh1 and his voltron pi. Time to start my day. bbl
[17:32] <passerby233> leftyfb: i have no extra screen for my pi, so the gui running background may affect my pi
[17:32] <zh1> leftyfb, its pretty simple what i refered, should have known if you're a pi guy
[17:32] <leftyfb> zh1: you have explained nothing
[17:32] <leftyfb> zh1: what will the pi's be doing?
[17:33] <zh1> leftyfb, alredy told just wanna join the two for processing
[17:33] <leftyfb> nope, that is the first time you have used the term "processing"
[17:33] <leftyfb> processing what?
[17:34] <HeXiLeD> leftyfb: he does the same with everyone. you are wasting your time
[17:34] <leftyfb> zh1: processing what?
[17:34] <zh1> leftyfb, your avoiding the question, and process OS whatever
[17:35] <leftyfb> zh1: as are you
[17:35] <HeXiLeD> he is not avoiding the question. you keep doing the same all over any network. learn how to explain yourself
[17:35] <zh1> HeXiLeD, it's pretty explained
[17:36] <HeXiLeD> grow up
[17:36] <zh1> HeXiLeD, leftyfb tell me why does it matter why whats processing if you just wanna join two pi
[17:36] <passerby233> zh1: do you want to use more than one pi to process the exactly same tasks?
[17:36] <leftyfb> zh1: look up "raspberry pi hadoop" or "raspberry pi distributed computing" or "raspberry pi cluster" on google
[17:37] <nevodka> zh1 i answered you ages ago btw
[17:37] <nevodka> <nevodka> zh1 the connection would be on your local network
[17:37] <nevodka> <nevodka> either wired through ethernet or wifi
[17:37] <leftyfb> zh1: the quick answer to your question is, you don't
[17:37] <nevodka> thats the most simple way to go about it
[17:38] <leftyfb> zh1: the GPIO pins are used for simple, yet slow signaling to and from other electronic components using 3.3v and ground signals. You will not do any sort of useful "processing" over that sort of interface
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[17:39] <zh1> nevodka, ok
[17:39] <leftyfb> zh1: google for the multiple computer processing you're looking to accomplish and learn the proper way to do it
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[17:40] <leftyfb> zh1: but since you're just trolling, none of this matters anyway. I hope I've satisfied your enjoyment at the expense of others frustrations
[17:40] <zh1> leftyfb, is that answer because you dont know how to do it?
[17:41] <leftyfb> zh1: that's the answer because if I had a need to do any sort of distributed computing or clustering utilizing raspberry pi's, that is where I would start.
[17:41] <zh1> leftyfb, its true i could google it, but thought on saving time, but now i prefer see it by myself
[17:41] <leftyfb> zh1: though typically people who need such an environment already know these things and don't ask stupid question about it
[17:42] <leftyfb> and with that, I'm done feeding the troll
[17:42] <zh1> leftyfb, the only stupid was me on seeing your answer stupid answers
[17:43] <HeXiLeD> you guys are waisting your time. He does not accept any answers that does not fit his ideas. He used to be in my netork. Also gets bans elsewhere
[17:43] <HeXiLeD> zh1: get out. You do the same with everyone
[17:44] <HeXiLeD> you dont know what you ask because you lack the capacity to understand your own questions and therefore even the answers.
[17:45] <zh1> HeXiLeD, first, dont get on topics that are not yours, and then your network has nothing to do with this when your admin did something else that if you want i can explain, i tried to help him and he didnt notice that pastebin's are not something else
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[17:46] <zh1> HeXiLeD the question on how you join two pi's is pretty simple, and for double processing two
[17:46] <zh1> HeXiLeD, im pretty sure that you just wanna join the topic because of personal things, that are non your business too
[17:47] <zh1> HeXiLeD, why did you talk on your network has nothing to do with pi's?
[17:47] <zh1> HeXiLeD, should i bring logs to you?
[17:47] <ShorTie> only way to join 2 pi's is by network not physically
[17:47] <HeXiLeD> you came here ask everyone. so it is a topic for everyone. One of the admins removed your znc free account because you ripped his work (the he did to help you and you re reposted online it with another author.
[17:47] <HeXiLeD> we use pis too. i read the logs
[17:48] <HeXiLeD> you are a troll
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[17:49] <zh1> HeXiLeD, when you say he does this to everyone, you have to prove that "everyone else", opinions can be vague
[17:49] * HeXiLeD solves the problem mask: zh1 / server: FreeNode / channel: *
[17:49] <zh1> HeXiLeD, why are getting other subjects on this?
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[17:50] <Psi-Jack> Sweet. Got my Garage Door limit switch schematic and code tested. :D
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[17:51] <Psi-Jack> Now, just need to program it into my ESP8266 itself.
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[17:55] <chris64> hello everyone
[17:55] <zh1> HeXiLeD, what you say is false, i didnt rip any work, i showed him a pastebin, and he did that interpretation
[17:55] <polprog> hi
[17:55] <cxeq> hi guys, my raspberry pi drops all ssh, vnc, etc connections after a while of use, and then refuses all connewctions until I reboot it
[17:55] <polprog> zh1: can you please /part? im thinking about masking you
[17:55] <zh1> HeXiLeD, by the way if you wanna know what really happen i can pvt you
[17:55] <chris64> is someone familiar with configuring the hardware UART on a Pi Zero W? I'm deeply troubling with disabling bluetooth and redirecting it to it's alt5 pins
[17:56] <cxeq> the light of the wifi usb stick continues to flash
[17:56] <cxeq> and I turned the power saving mode off
[17:56] <chris64> I've the feeling that neither raspi-gpio nor gpio are able to change the pin configuration. at least using `gpio' it does not change anything
[17:56] <polprog> cxeq: it may hang, forr example due to weak psu
[17:56] <chris64> `raspi-gpio' reports a changed configuration but still it does not work
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[17:57] <nevodka> cxeq, so is it your network connection going out?
[17:57] <polprog> cxeq: leave it overnight with a screen connected and see what happens
[17:57] <cxeq> no
[17:57] <cxeq> I am using a 5v 2a usb power
[17:57] <cxeq> is that sufficient
[17:57] <ShorTie> with a good cable most likely
[17:58] <polprog> yeah, it can be the cable
[17:58] <ShorTie> usb cable is the most over looked trouble maker
[17:58] <cxeq> nah, cable n charger are new stuffs
[17:58] <polprog> cxeq: you can try to read the log off sdcard
[17:58] <cxeq> oh wait
[17:58] <cxeq> I should mention
[17:58] <ShorTie> does your cable have 24awg printed on it ??
[17:58] <cxeq> I have the arduino connected
[17:59] <cxeq> so its drawing power, with its sensors, and, the wifi adaptor, rpi camera, hdmi output (?)
[17:59] <cxeq> not sure what awg it is
[18:00] <polprog> i'd check the syslog. if there's nothing there, it's running out of jiuce
[18:00] <polprog> juice*
[18:01] <cxeq> ok,
[18:01] <cxeq> what is a better psu?
[18:01] <ShorTie> most cell phone charging cables don't work very good as pi power cables
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[18:01] <ShorTie> i like 5.25v@3amp supplies
[18:02] <polprog> yeah, i'd suggest getting a thick-wired one
[18:02] <cxeq> this is actually one of those err
[18:02] <polprog> finally he parted
[18:03] <cxeq> samsung fast charger
[18:03] <polprog> take out the sdcard and check the logs
[18:03] <ShorTie> like this, http://www.ebay.com/itm/15-75W-5-25V-3A-AC-Adapter-Power-Charger-For-HP-Chromebook-11-2001tu-11-2081no-/152093436447?hash=item236979aa1f:g:Jl4AAOSw4GVYQPEF
[18:03] <cxeq> 5v 2a to 9v 1.25a, interesting to see if that would make a difference
[18:03] <cxeq> ok
[18:03] <cxeq> 1s
[18:03] <polprog> ShorTie: i scored a 5V@5.5A psu today. and +- 15V to
[18:04] <ShorTie> Cool
[18:04] <ShorTie> don't be feed no 9v into the pi
[18:04] <cxeq> which log file is relevant?
[18:05] <cxeq> I doubt it uses the 9v
[18:05] <hmoney> happy sunday folks
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[18:05] <newbie123> I am downloading RAspbian Jessie Lite .... Will it be possible to add LXDE later ?
[18:05] <polprog> cxeq: i dont remember, let me check
[18:05] <cxeq> http://i.imgur.com/pOzpj3c.png
[18:06] <polprog> newbie123: yes. but if you want to install just the GUI download normal raspbian
[18:06] <newbie123> polprog, My Internet connection is pathetic
[18:07] <polprog> newbie123: are you downloading over HTTP or torrent?
[18:07] <chris64> Do you know whether the tools `raspi-gpio' and `gpio' interfere? They're showing differing pin configurations and I've no idea which one to trust
[18:07] <newbie123> polprog, Torrent
[18:07] <cxeq> when I try to nano syslog it pretty much dies
[18:07] <cxeq> takes forever to load :P
[18:07] <polprog> it's a big file, use tail command
[18:07] <polprog> shows las 10 line
[18:08] <polprog> its for logs mostly
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[18:11] <polprog> cxeq: anything there?
[18:11] <chris64> no one? :|
[18:12] <polprog> chris64: is that the python lib?
[18:12] <polprog> chris64: you can set the numbering scheme you like, board or bcm
[18:13] <chris64> polprog: you mean physical or wiringpi notation?`
[18:13] <cxeq> polprog: I haven't found what happened before the crashes yet, but I see a lot of errors with eth0
[18:13] <cxeq> I am using wlan
[18:13] <chris64> polprog: the isse is that both tools report different configurations
[18:13] <chris64> *issue
[18:13] <cxeq> lots of receive_packet failed on eth0: Network is down
[18:13] <cxeq> every few seconds
[18:14] <polprog> i'm not familiar with either of those, you can paste the outputs and i'll take a look
[18:14] <cxeq> sure
[18:14] <cxeq> one sec
[18:14] <polprog> cxeq: i was talking to chris64 :P
[18:14] <cxeq> oh ok :P
[18:14] <polprog> cxeq: but you can post that syslog tail too :P
[18:15] <chris64> polprog: do you know whether serial ports can be mapped to different pins at the same time? like alt0 on 15, 16 (wPi) and alt3 on 26, 23 (wPi)? both would point to TxD0 and RxD0
[18:16] <polprog> chris64: i only used direct linux serial on a b+
[18:18] <chris64> The only thing I want is to have physical ports 32, 33 mapped to the hardware UART :( but nobody does that on the internet. everyone is happy with having them on 8, 10
[18:19] <chris64> like those guys here: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/47671
[18:19] <ShorTie> can't map serial port pins to a different pin
[18:19] <chris64> ShorTie: but gpio allows it
[18:20] <chris64> so what happens then?
[18:20] <ShorTie> but hardware wize they are different
[18:20] <chris64> ShorTie: wait, you have alternative pin configurations for serial0 and serial1: http://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs
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[18:21] <polprog> chris64: iirc they are connected to hardware uart of the cpu. nothing blocks you from doing software uart tho - that can be anywhere
[18:21] <chris64> TXD0, RXD0 can be on GPIO14, GPIO15; GPIO32, GPIO33; GPIO36, GPIO38
[18:21] <polprog> correct me if im wrong on that hardware uart
[18:21] <chris64> I just hoped to avoid the software UART especially when I do not need bluetooth
[18:22] <polprog> ive never seen a cpu/mcu that has remappable hw uart, im afraid
[18:22] <polprog> you can get a usb-uart dongle though
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[18:22] <chris64> ShorTie: TXD1, RXD1 can be on GPIO14, GPIO15, GPIO32, GPIO33; GPIO40, GPIO41
[18:23] <chris64> mh, yes
[18:23] <ShorTie> GPIO32, GPIO33; GPIO36, GPIO38 all crossed out though
[18:24] <chris64> that's for B revision 2.0
[18:25] <chris64> :(
[18:25] <chris64> I'm trying to get it run using the software UART, maybe I've more luck with it :(
[18:26] <polprog> good luck. try slow baudrate first
[18:26] <polprog> like 9600 or even 1200
[18:26] <chris64> thanks :|
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[18:26] <chris64> the printer requires 19200 :|
[18:27] <polprog> not very fast
[18:27] <chris64> ok
[18:27] <polprog> may work
[18:27] <EvilDMP> I seem to have a dead Pi 2 here,
[18:27] <EvilDMP> Its lights come on, but no-one seems to be home
[18:28] <EvilDMP> The same SD car, power source and display all work with an identical Po
[18:28] <EvilDMP> Pi
[18:28] <polprog> EvilDMP: check for error codes on the leds: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
[18:31] <ShorTie> what is the other pi that it works in ??
[18:31] <ShorTie> sure sdcard is up to date ??
[18:31] <EvilDMP> ShorTie: an identical Pi 2
[18:31] <ShorTie> oh, ok
[18:32] <EvilDMP> yup
[18:32] <EvilDMP> both Pi 2 B v1.1
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[18:35] <funkster> anyone know of a open framed usb camera? need to upgrade to intel x86 for my project. did a prototype on RPI and worked great.
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[18:35] <chris64> polprog: these are the configurations shown by `gpio' and `raspi-gpio': https://pastebin.com/s7SUpM1k
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[18:36] <chris64> and the changes to pin 32 and 33
[18:36] <EvilDMP> What ever I do with the one that doesn't work, both PWR (red) and ACT (green) LEDs come on and stay on, steady
[18:36] <EvilDMP> Just like a Pi without an SD card
[18:36] <cxeq> polprog: I sent you a query msg
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[18:41] <ShorTie> have you tried another sdcard maybe ??
[18:42] <EvilDMP> I'm going to try
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[18:44] <funkster> anyone know if I can flip raspberry pi camera in portrait mode or landscape mode with a command line option? or do i need to physically rotate camera?
[18:45] <BurtyB> chris64, what changes?
[18:46] <chris64> BurtyB: nothing >.>
[18:46] <chris64> but do both tool show the same configuration?
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[18:46] <chris64> BurtyB:
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[18:48] <chris64> `gpio toggle 26' results in 3.3V being put on the pin 32
[18:48] <chris64> so this works
[18:50] <BurtyB> chris64, same config for what? you're querying bcm gpio not shown in gpio readall if that's what you're looking at
[18:50] <EvilDMP> Ah well, same result with another SD card that also works in another machine. I think this Pi is dead!
[18:50] <chris64> BurtyB: so they're showing not the same set of pins?
[18:51] <chris64> when physical pins 32, 33 are in ALT3 (TXD0, RXD0) mode then I cannot toggle it anymore
[18:51] <chris64> which should be fine too
[18:53] <BurtyB> chris64, physical pins 32/33 can't be txd0/rxd0. I think you're getting mixed up with wiringpi/bcm/physical numbers
[18:54] <chris64> which physical pin is GPIO32, GPIO33?
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[18:55] <BurtyB> chris64, bcm gpio32/gpio33 are only available on the compute modules
[18:57] <chris64> so TXD0 and RXD0 are only available on GPIO14, GPIO15 like ShorTie said?
[18:57] <EvilDMP> Is the metal casing of the SD card socket on the Pi soldered down? Or can it be unclipped? http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Red_power_LED_is_on.2C_green_LED_does_not_flash.2C_nothing_on_display and the images there suggest so, but I am no sure it's the case for this one
[18:58] <ShorTie> is this the springy sdcard ??
[18:58] <EvilDMP> ShorTie: yes
[18:58] <ShorTie> have you tried clamping sdcard to board with like finger or cloths pin
[18:58] <BurtyB> chris64, http://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs shows where rxd0/txd0 can be and the only non-default option is compute module only
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[19:00] <chris64> BurtyB: and the TXD1, RXD1?
[19:01] <BurtyB> chris64, yes it shows where they can be too.. it's all in the table
[19:02] <chris64> BurtyB: so for them it's the same, the alternative configurations are on GPIO pins >32
[19:02] <chris64> which is on such a compute module then?
[19:03] <chris64> for some reason the papirus guys use the native UART ports for some different purpose, odd :( https://pinout.xyz/pinout/papirus_zero
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[19:29] <sebboh> Hello. Suppose I want to buy ten model B's. Where do I shop?
[19:30] <sebboh> Wait, I said that wrong. Suppose you want to buy ten model B's, where do you shop?
[19:30] <ShorTie> who ever has that many in stock .. :/~
[19:30] <sebboh> ... really? :( I've never bought one.
[19:31] <sebboh> I have another little dev board thing, two of 'em.
[19:31] <redrabbit> why 10, just curious
[19:31] <ShorTie> newegg has them
[19:32] <sebboh> redrabbit: 1. I am going to configure them to auto-connect to each other via VPN on boot and then leave them at friend's houses, then 2. ???
[19:33] <redrabbit> ah, i do that with orange pi zero
[19:33] <redrabbit> mainly cause of the low cost
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[19:35] <redrabbit> what's the functionnality for you
[19:35] <redrabbit> for me its off site mutual backups
[19:36] <redrabbit> i keep it in the family though
[19:36] <redrabbit> brb
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[19:54] <sebboh> redrabbit: yeah, backups. Also I am thinking tech support. Next time somebody wants me to configure their router or printer, I'll just say "hold on let me remote in".
[19:55] <sebboh> And after I do that for friends and family for a while, folks who will be patient if it doesn't work the first time, then maybe if it goes well, I could offer the same service to strangers, for a free.
[19:55] <sebboh> *fee
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[20:50] <gena2x> Hi guys, just got rasberry pi as a small present and trying to understand it. I am very advanced Linux user, and would like to install vanilla debian and kernel if possible.
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[20:51] <gena2x> I followed https://michaelfranzl.com/2016/10/31/raspberry-pi-debian-stretch/ and it looks good - except wifi.
[20:52] <wiselydoesit> speaking of WiFi anyone played with the kali-0.1-rpi3-nexmon.img release?
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[20:52] <gena2x> In fact from hardware point of view I only need GPIO and wifi so far.
[20:52] <wiselydoesit> monitor mode for the Pi3
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[20:53] <gena2x> So my questinos - do I have chances to get wifi from vanilla kernel, anybody running that?
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[20:54] <gena2x> And 2) is it possible to run vanilla debian + rasbian kernel?
[20:54] <gena2x> In case if I have no chances to get wifi from vanilla
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[20:54] <gena2x> thanks in advance
[20:54] <FalseProphet> afternoon folks
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[20:58] <wiselydoesit> gena2x: i missed the beginning, what are you trying to do
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[21:01] <gena2x> wiselydoesit, hi, just trying to setup my shiny new rasberry pi =) as I am using debian for last ~15 years it seems logical for me to go for debian/arm64, so all debian software will be available.
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[21:02] <gena2x> now trying to understand if it is possible, if anybody using that setup.
[21:02] <wiselydoesit> the raspbian kernel isn't arm64
[21:03] <wiselydoesit> i'm currently using StickyFingers kernel
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[21:04] <wiselydoesit> https://github.com/Re4son/re4son-raspberrypi-linux this to be exact
[21:05] <gena2x> You compiled that in 64 bit mode?
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[21:08] <wiselydoesit> nope, i'm more interested in monitor mode and wifi tbh, from what i've read from the foundation and others on stack exchange and such there isn't much point in going for 64 bit
[21:09] <wiselydoesit> and i don't understand your issues with just using Raspbian, Maybe take a look at Arch if you want a more bleeding edge distro
[21:09] <wiselydoesit> Raspbian is basically Debian with apt pinning.
[21:10] <FalseProphet> so are there any really good guides on what to get just for someone starting out? I have a decently specific project planned (IRC bouncer, general ooo cool thing) but the hardware is confusing me
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[21:11] <FalseProphet> I think a W is all I need but not sure
[21:12] <wiselydoesit> well if its literally a IRC bouncer you want, the W would suffice.
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[21:12] <wiselydoesit> but for the extra cash the effort power in the 3B just opens up so much more doors
[21:12] <wiselydoesit> *Extra
[21:12] <FalseProphet> yea
[21:13] <FalseProphet> its the start I know, but lower cost and if they're that cheap anyways I wouldn't mind just making a little farm of them
[21:14] <gena2x> wiselydoesit, may be you right. I have to try easy route first - and install rasbian, understand it and may be switch to normal debian later.
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[21:15] <gena2x> may be it's just a dream - to have one OS which fits everything =)
[21:15] <wiselydoesit> i think it goes against the principals of linux lol
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[21:15] <wiselydoesit> i've tried and tried and tried so many setups with VM's and even using Zen and such
[21:16] <wiselydoesit> and there is always times when i need bare metal installs.
[21:16] <wiselydoesit> i'm down to 3 OS's on my main machine now.
[21:16] <wiselydoesit> Windows 10.2 Creators Update, Ubuntu 16.04 and a Kali/Debian hybrid.
[21:17] <wiselydoesit> i use blackberry devices with work, so i need access to Blackberry applications
[21:17] <wiselydoesit> and thats the only thing keeping me tied to windows now
[21:20] <gena2x> I have 3 as well, debian, gentoo and windows. I spending 90% of time in debian, I don't case much about rest. windows is to satisfy remote work requirements, gentoo just to try it. I had openmoko in the past - that was phone based on Debian, but that gone away and I have Android now. And still think it would be nice to have single OS.
[21:20] <gena2x> dreams... going to install rasbian =)
[21:21] <wiselydoesit> i'm playing with docker alot and i was running Qubes type setup for a while.. But again, some things just need bare metal installs.
[21:22] <wiselydoesit> WiFi pentesting for example with the internal WiFi, or USB stuff for jailbreaking, flashing roms etc.. . i might petition blackberry to release Blackberry Blend for linux because i rage quit life.
[21:22] <polprog> wiselydoesit: how clogged are VMs on the Pi? which one are you running?
[21:23] <wiselydoesit> i've played with qEMU on my Pi3. don't, just dont.
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[21:25] <wiselydoesit> i've seen Windows XP running on a Pi3, not really daily driver useful but it does work.
[21:25] <polprog> Well, ive seen dosbox running Fallout 1 on an iPad...
[21:25] <polprog> :)
[21:25] <polprog> do you think it could run some old games? like '90/early '00 era?
[21:26] <wiselydoesit> yeah theres a proprietary tool that does it fine.
[21:26] <polprog> ?
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[21:28] <wiselydoesit> http://geektillithertz.com/wordpress/ theres a blog post here about it, let me find it
[21:29] <wiselydoesit> EXAGear
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[21:30] <wiselydoesit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHNq7b7vo3M
[21:30] <wiselydoesit> Counter Strike, Half-Life, Diablo II and Unreal Tournament running so far using the Mesa3D from EXAgear.
[21:32] <polprog> jeez, hardcore.
[21:32] <polprog> im surprised that thing did 10 fps without gpu
[21:32] <polprog> reasonable GPU
[21:32] <wiselydoesit> yeah, am still not paying the price they are asking for the soft.
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[21:34] <gena2x> solution suddenly came to me. I wondered why my car kit contains usb wifi... I can just use that as wifi. Problem solved, I am happy user of vanilla debian =)
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[21:53] <localhorse> how can i detect if a usb stick is plugged in to the rpi?
[21:54] <localhorse> and which path it has
[21:54] <polprog> it should show up in /dev/
[21:54] <polprog> and you need to mount it
[21:54] <polprog> doable with a udev rule
[21:54] <localhorse> polprog: how can i auto mount?
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[21:55] <localhorse> polprog: so i need to use the notify api on /dev ?
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[21:55] <polprog> localhorse: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/a/51769
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[21:56] <polprog> localhorse: there are many ways, that one is the simplest
[21:57] <localhorse> polprog: why doesnt rpi auto mount by default?
[21:58] <localhorse> this doesnt look like a simple solution
[21:58] <[Saint]> ...it should.
[21:58] <polprog> i don't know :) it should
[21:58] <polprog> localhorse: this one is the simplest, believe me
[21:58] <localhorse> ok, so i have to use the notify api on /mnt?
[21:58] <polprog> unless you are always running on GUI
[21:59] <[Saint]> but, you're being pretty vague.
[21:59] <[Saint]> haven't even said what OS you're using if I'm not mistaken.
[21:59] <localhorse> polprog: i'm only using ssh
[21:59] <localhorse> raspbian
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[21:59] <[Saint]> Then, yes, it definitely should auto-mount physical volumes on USB.
[21:59] <polprog> localhorse: udev rule then. i linked that. just create the file (make sure the number on the beginning is unique) and reboot
[21:59] <polprog> or restart udev
[21:59] <[Saint]> Methinks perhaps you screwed something up.
[21:59] <localhorse> ok and how can i detect when a usb stick has been mounted?
[22:00] <localhorse> [Saint]: why?
[22:00] <[Saint]> Because this isn't expected operation. Unless perhaps you mean you're using Raspbian Lite?
[22:00] <localhorse> using raspbian isnt expected operation? why?
[22:01] <[Saint]> *head in hands*
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[22:01] <[Saint]> not automatically mounting external volumes in raspbian isn't expected operation.
[22:01] <polprog> because theres a ton of system for that board
[22:01] <localhorse> [Saint]: ok and?
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[22:01] <[Saint]> seems I need to put on my context hat today.
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[22:02] <localhorse> so what directory should i use the notify api on?
[22:02] <polprog> did you create that file?
[22:02] <localhorse> what file?
[22:02] <polprog> you need to automount or detect?
[22:02] <polprog> the stackoverflow link
[22:02] <localhorse> i want to read files from a usb stick as soon as it's plugged in
[22:02] <localhorse> so i have to detect that plugging in
[22:02] <[Saint]> the information polprog gave you is clear.
[22:02] <[Saint]> try reading it perhaps.
[22:02] <polprog> udev then, modiy the command it runs
[22:03] <localhorse> that wont notify my program
[22:03] <localhorse> dont i have to use the notify api?
[22:03] <[Saint]> ...why?
[22:03] <[Saint]> just build sane logic.
[22:03] <polprog> aargh
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[22:03] <localhorse> [Saint]: how am i not building sane logic?
[22:03] <[Saint]> "is it there - do things"
[22:03] <[Saint]> "is it not there - don't do things"
[22:03] <[Saint]> simple stuff.
[22:04] <polprog> You are falling for the XY problem
[22:04] <localhorse> [Saint]: yes but i dont want to have to poll, i want to get notified
[22:04] <polprog> udev is the way you do it. it can execute a script when you plug stuff in!
[22:04] <polprog> goddamnit
[22:04] <localhorse> polprog: will it interfere with rpi's auto mount mechanism?
[22:04] <polprog> there is no automount mechanism
[22:05] <polprog> yo have to make one. read that link
[22:05] <localhorse> but you said it auto mounts
[22:05] <[Saint]> it should, apparently yours doesn't though. SO either find out why or do it that way.
[22:06] <polprog> yes if you make the udev rule.
[22:06] <localhorse> [Saint]: i never said mine doesnt
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[22:06] <localhorse> polprog: that udev rule looks very cryptic and fragile.
[22:07] <localhorse> it's specific to that person's setup
[22:07] <[Saint]> 240417y075745 <localhorse> polprog: why doesnt rpi auto mount by default?
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[22:07] <[Saint]> you'll have to forgive me, I thought that statement was observation based.
[22:07] <polprog> yes, but you need to change the says "mount the device"
[22:07] <localhorse> [Saint]: i assumed it doesn't because of polprog's answer
[22:07] <localhorse> i thought if it auto mounted, polprog would say that as his answer
[22:08] <polprog> so its "[mount command] && your script that does the job"
[22:08] <[Saint]> well, it does - but possibly it won't if X doesn't run.
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[22:08] <localhorse> why does it depend on X?
[22:08] <[Saint]> I presume you're booting straight to terminal/ssh headless?
[22:08] <localhorse> yes
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[22:09] <[Saint]> because in this instance it's the DE doing the handling.
[22:09] <polprog> localhorse: because things like file managers do that. and if theres no X running no manager is running
[22:09] <[Saint]> If the DE never runs...
[22:09] <polprog> like ssaint says
[22:09] <localhorse> what do you mean by DE?
[22:09] <[Saint]> Desktop Environment
[22:09] <polprog> desktop environment
[22:09] <localhorse> ok
[22:09] <polprog> :P
[22:10] <localhorse> polprog: do i also have to do this? https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/51623/udev-rules-to-auto-mount-usb-storage-while-already-running/51769#comment78012_51769
[22:10] <polprog> that's just cosmetic change, you dont have to
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[22:11] <localhorse> polprog: so i have to do: ACTION=="add", RUN+="/bin/mkdir -p /media/%E{dir_name}", RUN+="/bin/mount -o $env{mount_options} /dev/%k /media/%E{dir_name}", RUN+="/home/pi/myprog /media/%E{dir_name}"
[22:11] <localhorse> ?
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[22:12] <localhorse> is this the dir where the usb stick's files will be? /media/%E{dir_name}
[22:12] <polprog> yes
[22:12] <polprog> and that comment just changes the dir name format
[22:12] <localhorse> will it always be the same dir name?
[22:13] <polprog> no, it's gonna be "usbhd-sda1" if for sda1 partition
[22:13] <polprog> of you remove the pendrive and plug another one it will have the name of the partition
[22:13] <polprog> probably sda1 too
[22:13] <localhorse> so i can just use this unmodified script, plug in the usb stick, observe the dir name, and then use the notify api on that dir in the future to get notified when the stick is plugged in?
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[22:14] <polprog> yes, but there's an easier way
[22:15] <polprog> i told you, add "&& bash yourscript.sh" to the end of RUN+=
[22:15] <polprog> so it run mount then the script
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[22:15] <polprog> you can even give it the dir name as a parameter
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[22:16] <localhorse> polprog: yes but then i have to do interfacing between the program that is started and the one that is running and wants to know
[22:16] <localhorse> that's why i prefer a solution where it gets notified while running
[22:16] <polprog> i don't know what kind of notification you use
[22:17] <polprog> if it's scriptable you just make a script that triggers the notification
[22:17] <localhorse> i thought i could use the unix notify api
[22:17] <polprog> i don't know that
[22:17] <localhorse> http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/inotify.7.html
[22:17] <polprog> you probably can
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[22:18] <polprog> ok, i see. you just leave that udev unmodified and watch for the creation of directories in /media
[22:18] <localhorse> so i thought either i listen to changes in /media or a subdir of that
[22:18] <localhorse> yea
[22:18] <polprog> :)
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[22:19] <localhorse> i want to make it easy for our customers, just plug in the stick, it will read the data
[22:19] <polprog> make it then
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[22:20] <localhorse> do you think rpi is fast enough to run electron with full hd webgl/video?
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[22:22] <polprog> webgl probably not. you may want to look at something faster like odroid or even maybe a real PC with external GPU
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[22:23] <localhorse> does rpi have no hardware acceleration?
[22:23] <polprog> it's not alienware. i think it has h264 acceleration
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[22:24] <polprog> but you would need to check if the browser support hw acceleration - most probably do
[22:24] <localhorse> but does it have hw accel for opengl? or is it mesa?
[22:24] <polprog> i just talked about that here, it runs halflife @ 10 fps
[22:25] <polprog> ping wiselydoesit
[22:25] <wiselydoesit> hey
[22:25] <polprog> localhorse: looks like you joined afterwards
[22:25] <localhorse> the rpi3?
[22:25] <wiselydoesit> yeah WebGL runs on EXAgear also
[22:25] <polprog> i dont own one
[22:26] <wiselydoesit> its running Mesa3D
[22:26] <localhorse> wiselydoesit: exagear slows things down tho
[22:26] <wiselydoesit> i haven't physically played with it, i follow a blog of a guy who got a copy for promo.
[22:26] <localhorse> i want to run webgl and html <video> in a web app on electron on rpi3
[22:26] <localhorse> in full hd
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[22:27] <localhorse> dont a lot of ppl use rpi as media center to watch full hd movies?
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[22:28] <max3> i'm trying to get lirc working on a rasp B rev 2 and both mode2 and irrecord hang
[22:29] <max3> i'm following http://www.instructables.com/id/How-To-Useemulate-remotes-with-Arduino-and-Raspber/
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[22:31] <newbie123> I used dd to transfer the Raspbian image to SD card ... Now when I boot I get "Could not expand filesystem please try rasp-config or rc-gui
[22:31] <polprog> what size is the card?
[22:32] <wiselydoesit> i usually just let it do its think, then resize it in gparted on my box.
[22:32] <newbie123> polprog, I think its 4GB
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[22:32] <polprog> isnt it the iso size? i don't remember
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[22:33] <newbie123> The image (.img) is 4.3 GB polprog
[22:33] <polprog> umm
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[22:34] <polprog> so have you tried that raspi-config?
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[22:34] <newbie123> polprog, No matter whick key I pres it reboots and returns to that error dialog
[22:35] <polprog> i don't remember the minimum card size for raspbian
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[22:35] <polprog> but if the img is 4.3 then no way it copied onto the card
[22:35] <wiselydoesit> i'd go for the minimal image.
[22:35] <wiselydoesit> then install a desktop
[22:36] <newbie123> polprog, If I write the imj file to a usb flash drive ... will it work ? I mean can a pi boot from usb flash drive ?
[22:36] <polprog> no
[22:36] <polprog> the microcode supports only the SD card
[22:36] <newbie123> Okay
[22:36] <polprog> ie the "BIOS" of the pi
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[23:00] <BurtyB> newbie123, if you have a Pi3 you should be able to set the OTP bit and boot from a USB device ( https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/pi-3-booting-part-i-usb-mass-storage-boot/ ) but I'd get it working without to start with
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[23:02] <newbie123> BurtyB, I am using RPi 2 B+ ....Downloading Riscos...Is Riscos virus free link Linux ?
[23:02] <newbie123> like*
[23:02] <wiselydoesit> linux isn't really virus free
[23:03] <wiselydoesit> its just designed so that if you do get infected, you intentionally done something asshat like.
[23:04] <newbie123> wiselydoesit, What about Riscos ? Similar to Linux's security ?
[23:04] <wiselydoesit> you'd be hard pressed to find someone who has written both a payload and exploit for RiscOS bro lol
[23:04] <wiselydoesit> i've never seen it have an CVE anyway
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[23:05] <newbie123> Okay/Thanks
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[23:07] <wiselydoesit> if its stable secure your after, raspbian, unattended updates script and some strict ufw rules.
[23:08] <funkster> am i able to choose between landsape and portrait with RPI camera or do i need to physically rotate camera? i am using raspistill
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[23:11] <oq> funkster: you can rotate the camera 90 degrees in raspistill, is that what you mean
[23:11] <funkster> oq: well... does that mean the 16:9 rotates as well?
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[23:12] <oq> presumably
[23:12] <funkster> default my width id longer then height, looking for my height to be longer then my width, hence portrait.
[23:12] <oq> try it, add -rot 90 as an option
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[23:12] <funkster> okay, will do. thanks.
[23:13] <HrdwrBoB> well... of course it does
[23:13] <HrdwrBoB> it doesn't physically rotate the camera
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[23:26] <funkster> HrdwrBoB: not sure what you mean by "it doesn't physically rotate camera"
[23:27] <oq> funkster: the camera will always record in with more out to the sides than top and bottom unless you crop it
[23:27] <oq> like with the --roi option
[23:28] <HrdwrBoB> funkster: the aspect ratio is based on the phyical camera
[23:28] <HrdwrBoB> rotate the image and rotate the aspect ratio
[23:29] <funkster> do you mean -rotate flag in raspistill will change the aspect ratio also? ex: default is 1280x720 if i rotate do i get 720x1280? or is it cropped to be something else? (i cant test at moment)
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[23:31] <oq> funkster: the -rot flag would do the same thing as if you took that photo into photoshop and rotated it 90 degrees
[23:31] <oq> there's no cropping
[23:31] <funkster> then thats not correct for me.
[23:31] <oq> well the idea is that you would then also rotate the physical camera
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[23:32] <funkster> i need the same thing as if i rotated the camera physically, so have a wider view vertically. so i basically need to rotate camera physically
[23:32] <oq> so the post processing of -rot corrects for the rotation of the camera
[23:32] <HrdwrBoB> two options
[23:32] <HrdwrBoB> physically rotate the camera
[23:32] <HrdwrBoB> or crop it and lose resolution
[23:33] <b0g> anyone know if it's possible to bridge wifi to wifi on an rpi? i've added a 2nd wifi adapter via usb and it currently is connected to a wifi network. built-in wifi adapter is serving as an access point
[23:33] <oq> because the software doesn't know the physical rotation of the camera
[23:33] <oq> b0g: yes, it would be the exact same as bridging wifi to wifi on any debian machine, there's probably a tonne of tutorials
[23:33] <HrdwrBoB> b0g: it is possible, but it's generally a bad idea
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[23:33] <funkster> right, i will need to rotate physically because cropping it will not give me the vertical view in the degrees i need.
[23:35] <b0g> HrdwrBoB: it doesn't need to be performant at the moment, just usable
[23:35] <HrdwrBoB> then yeah, same as any linux
[23:35] <b0g> all i'm getting is wifi to wireless on google. very annoying
[23:37] <funkster> i dont think you don't need two nics to have one connected to internet and also act as hotspot.
[23:37] <b0g> that's news to me
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[23:38] <oq> are you building a repeater?
[23:38] <oq> repeaters are fairly frowned upon nowadays
[23:38] <funkster> https://frillip.com/using-your-raspberry-pi-3-as-a-wifi-access-point-with-hostapd/
[23:39] <b0g> no, building a fire-suppression robot prototype and it's annoying to connect to the rpi's wifi and be unable to use the internet when connected in such a way
[23:39] <funkster> bridging is exactly like wired, its one iptables forwarding command or two
[23:40] <funkster> but im pretty sure you don't need two nics for hotspot, i could be wrong tho.
[23:40] <HrdwrBoB> no
[23:40] <HrdwrBoB> bridging is bridging
[23:40] <b0g> based on the configuration i've seen, i think you do if you're using one of those wifi nics for internet connectivity
[23:40] <HrdwrBoB> ip forwarding is ip forwarding
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[23:41] <HrdwrBoB> bridging =~ same physical network
[23:41] <HrdwrBoB> ip forwarding =~ able to connect to the internet
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