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IRC Log for 2017-04-24

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[0:00] <nacelle> ip forwarding moves packets with layer 3 manuevers, bridging moves packets with layer2 manuevers.
[0:00] <nacelle> (or more approriately, bridging moves frames)
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[0:01] <nacelle> bridging for wifi is "close" to wired but not exactly the same, the bridging stuff can squelch certain broadcasts from working right - but thats normally not the case these days.
[0:02] <nacelle> e.g. any packet/frame/etc. transition point is a point of protocol interpretation by somebody, and therefore certain protocols tend to break at those points.
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[0:14] <mfa298> b0g: reading a bit of scrollback, bridging anythign with wifi in client mode (i.e. where the wifi connects to an AP/Router) has issues as the wifi protocols wern't designed to support it
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[0:15] <mfa298> basicly if you're connected to a wifi AP/Router as a client the AP/Router only knows about the mac address of the associated client, it won't see mac addresses from other devices - which will break some stuff.
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[1:05] <kichuku> Hello
[1:05] <kichuku> How can I uninstall a application that was installed using tar?
[1:06] <ShorTie> other then manually deleting every file the tar made ??
[1:07] <ShorTie> none
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[1:07] <wiselydoesit> did you make && make install it? if so find the binary
[1:07] <kichuku> wiselydoesit: no there was no make
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[1:07] <kichuku> ShorTie: how do I find the list of files that it created?
[1:08] <kichuku> and how do I disable the daemon that it started? how do I find where it is running from?
[1:08] <ShorTie> untar it again with the v option
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[1:08] <ShorTie> sounds like easiest would be a wipe=n=reload of the sdcard
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[1:10] <wiselydoesit> depends on what it is
[1:10] <kichuku> ShorTie: what is the option to untar?
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[1:11] <mfa298> tar only extracts files, you would have to have done something else to setup starting daemons etc.
[1:11] <kichuku> oh sorry that was a stupid question. now I get what you mean
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[1:15] <kichuku> ok I untar it again using -v option. It is doing it all in a single folder /opt/appname
[1:15] <kichuku> there are several files and directories within /opt/appname
[1:16] <kichuku> now if I delete the directory /opt/appname, will it all be gone?
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[1:54] <azizLIGHT> if my / is on a usb, can i do backup of it without shutdown using rsync to another usb
[1:55] <azizLIGHT> or do i have ot shutdown rpi and take the usb to another pc and dd if=/rpi_rootfs_usb of=rpi_rootfs_usb.img
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[1:56] <leftyfb> azizLIGHT: you can use rsync on /
[1:56] <wiselydoesit> you should be able to rsync from a running machine no problem ^^
[1:56] <leftyfb> azizLIGHT: some things might be locked and a lot won't be accessible unless you're using sudo or root
[1:56] <azizLIGHT> i am root
[1:57] <wiselydoesit> never in my life have i been told my e2fsck is out of date but apparently todays the day.. stupid ubuntu
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[1:58] <leftyfb> wiselydoesit: huh?
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[1:58] <leftyfb> wiselydoesit: what version of ubuntu are you running and where do you see it saying the version of e2fsck-static is out of date?
[1:59] <wiselydoesit> 16.04 bro in gparted
[1:59] <wiselydoesit> i'm manually resizing the parition on a Kali Linux SD i just built from source with nexmon changes for WiFi lulz. and now its been an asshat.
[1:59] <wiselydoesit> i'm at fault 100% i just don't know how and why
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[2:08] <wiselydoesit> grabbing 1.43.4 from source and installing that seems to have got round it.
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[3:41] <developstopfix> hi
[3:41] <mmachenry> Hey everyone, I'm really stuck trying to follow a very simple tutorial to setup wireless on the command line.
[3:41] <mmachenry> Here are my wap_supplicant and interfaces files.
[3:41] <mmachenry> http://lpaste.net/354873
[3:41] <mmachenry> When I do ifconfig wlan0 I get no IP address.
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[3:49] <developstopfix> try adding key_mgmt=WPA-PSK below the line with your password
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[3:50] <mmachenry> Yeah I had that in there. It doesn't help. I'll try again.
[3:50] <developstopfix> what kind of security is your router using
[3:53] <mmachenry> WPA-PSK
[3:57] <redrabbit> mmachenry: dhclient -v wlan0
[3:58] <redrabbit> iwconfig wlan0
[3:58] <redrabbit> what do you get from theses
[3:58] <mmachenry> Checking
[3:59] <mmachenry> It's a little tricky because I also can't setup my keyboard properly so I can't type some characters. :-\
[3:59] <redrabbit> nano /media/etc/default/keyboard
[3:59] <redrabbit> or use raspi-config
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[4:13] <mmachenry> I think I figured it out.
[4:13] <mmachenry> You need both manual and dhcp lines in /etc/network/interfaces
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[4:49] <mmachenry> Does anyone know how to install ffserver (reportedly part of ffmpeg or libav-tools) on Raspian? ffmpeg is not available in the default apt repo, which is fine, libav-tools is. But ffserver is not part of that package but some web sites say it is.
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[4:50] <nacelle> https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/CompilationGuide/RaspberryPi
[4:50] <mmachenry> So I should install the ffmpeg project from source and use that instead of apt-get you think?
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[4:52] <nacelle> thats my plan, i've not done it myself
[4:52] <nacelle> from what I read it has the largest amount of overhead (takes hours to compile, etc.) but the best success
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[5:22] <mmachenry> Does anyone know of a simple server that I could send a command "play this audio stream" and it would do so backgrounded and I could send a stop command as well?
[5:22] <mmachenry> I'm hoping for the easiest, drop in and install on Rasbian solution here.
[5:23] <Valduare> mplayer command line
[5:23] <mmachenry> I *could* do mpg123 and "pkill mpg123" but that seems like it might run into issues.
[5:24] <mmachenry> Valduare: Will mplayer run in a daemon mode and accept stop and start commands or would I be doing the same pkill trick?
[5:24] <Valduare> havnt had the need to research that info
[5:24] <Valduare> but look into mplayer command line options
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[5:27] <mmachenry> Yeah I will. I did a bit before. I don't think it does this. ffserver does I think but it's not easily installed on Raspbain
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[6:29] <willy23123> The raspberry pi 3 is the only one for me
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[6:31] <blocky> if i want to talk to a pca9685 via the pwm driver, will i need to reconfigure the kernel?
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[6:48] <blocky> i managed to modprobe the driver but nothing is showing up in /sys/class/pwm
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[8:12] <blocky> got it working, just needed to add a few lines to config.txt
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[8:26] <Sonny_Jim> is it bad if I uninstall the raspberrypi-kernel package?
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[9:03] <polprog> Sonny_Jim: that one sounds quite important
[9:03] <polprog> raspbian?
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[9:04] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah reading about it it's the actual bootloader/kernel
[9:04] <Sonny_Jim> Just trying to free up some space, I've only got 20k left at the moment lol
[9:04] <Sonny_Jim> Already removed all the big stuff like x11, wolfram
[9:04] <polprog> copy some stuff over
[9:04] <Sonny_Jim> It's scandalous that it installs half a gigs worth of wolfram by default
[9:04] <polprog> i think ls can tell you the biggests files
[9:05] <polprog> raspbian is not the only distro you know
[9:06] <polprog> if you want light stuff, use that light version, arch, whatever
[9:06] <Sonny_Jim> Sure, but it's the best supported and I'm not really in the mood to start all over from scratch
[9:06] <polprog> also, 'df -h'
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[9:22] <Habbie> ncdu is great for finding what is taking up space
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[9:41] <alexandre9099> hi, the other day i was here about problems in my raid0 (yea, i know) storage, but today i took a look into dmesg and it seems like the message "over-current change" is what causes one of the devices for the raid to fail, is the device faulty?
[9:41] <alexandre9099> (my network is super slow so if i lose any message sorry :/)
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[9:43] <Lartza> alexandre9099, Sounds like you have a poor power supply for the Pi?
[9:44] <Lartza> OR, your USB is trying to draw too much
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[9:46] <alexandre9099> Lartza: the power supply is the same has of almost a year :/ the usb device is always connected since that time
[9:46] <alexandre9099> (it is a pendrive)
[9:46] <Lartza> Is that the only USB device?
[9:46] <alexandre9099> there was a time that the power light flashed, but then i changed the cable
[9:46] <alexandre9099> no
[9:46] <Lartza> What else
[9:46] <Sonny_Jim> RAID0 on a Pi lols
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[9:47] <alexandre9099> 2 pendrives (for the raid) and one dvb-t reciver (with a Y cable for external power)
[9:47] <alexandre9099> Sonny_Jim: yea, i know... it seems like i'm waiting for it to fail...
[9:47] <Lartza> And your power supply is 2.5 amps?
[9:48] <alexandre9099> Lartza: i think it is 2A, i also tryed with that same Y cable connecting to two different power supplys but no change
[9:48] <Sonny_Jim> I'm thinking that RAID0 on a Pi will probably be slower
[9:48] <alexandre9099> the problem started appearing in a month ago
[9:48] <Sonny_Jim> The bottleneck is usually the USB bus, not the pen drive
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[9:49] <newbie123> How to set 1920 by 1080 ? ...Using Pi 2 model b +
[9:49] <alexandre9099> Sonny_Jim: nah, for me it is enough, the thing is that one of the pendrives is usb 3.0... wasting resources... anyway, the pen was cheap, 64GB for 15 euros (maybe 14$)
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[9:50] <Sonny_Jim> alexandre9099: Did you perform any speed tests?
[9:50] <Sonny_Jim> My hunch is RAID0 will be slower due to the overhead of splitting the data into two streams
[9:51] <Sonny_Jim> Which is kinda the opposite of what you are trying to do
[9:51] <alexandre9099> no, i might try it with f3, now i have to reboot it so i'll lose connection to irc (my bouncer is at the Rpi)
[9:52] <alexandre9099> well, i'll just try to restart mdadm
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[9:54] <alexandre9099> cmon... "-bash: /usr/bin/sudo: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
[9:54] <alexandre9099> " i really need to change my sd card... i think it is dying
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[9:58] <Lartza> alexandre9099, Or again, your bad power supply is causing corruption :S
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[9:59] <alexandre9099> :/ it can also be the cable... i think the power somehow is entering from that Y cable that is powering the dvb-t reciver XD
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[10:02] <Lartza> That can't happen and even if it did it shouldn't matter
[10:02] <Lartza> A too long or otherwise bad USB cable can be bad too though yes
[10:02] <Lartza> But 2A is the minimum for an RPi really, and if the supply says 2A it does not mean it can reliably constantly supply that
[10:02] <RajRajRaj> hmmm
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[10:03] <Sonny_Jim> PSUs generally go weaker the longer they've been left on/the hotter they get
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[10:07] <alexandre9099> well, i think i'll just use a computer power supply (ATX) with an adapter for micro usb, lots of amps :D
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[10:08] <nacelle> the pi limits to 2.5a
[10:09] <alexandre9099> i think that an ATX that i have can supply a max of 10A or something like that on 5V, the problem is the cable
[10:09] <nacelle> pi2's with nothing on the usb do just fine on 1a
[10:10] <alexandre9099> i have a pi3, unless there is anything shorted the pi will only get from the power supply what it needs
[10:10] <alexandre9099> the power supply could even supply 100A, the RPi would only pull the necessary :)
[10:11] <nacelle> they have limitors in them to pull up to 2.5a
[10:11] <nacelle> after that they blow a soft fuse
[10:12] <nacelle> i've never seen that though, but i've never tried hard to get it to happen
[10:12] <nacelle> (never tried at all outside of just using pis and plugging in usb things)
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[10:13] <alexandre9099> yea, anyway, the problem might really be the cable , i'll search the cable i bought (please dont laught at me when i post the link XD)
[10:14] <alexandre9099> this ones but with the micro usb on the place of that ipad adapter https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-2-3m-Noodles-Micro-USB-Sync-Data-Charging-Charger-Cable-Cord-for-Apple-iPhone-4/32480830844.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.283.iv2HLi&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_10065_10151_10068_10136_10137_10060_10138_10155_10062_10156_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10103_10102_10096_10148_10147_10052_10053_10142_10107_1005
[10:14] <alexandre9099> (sorry for the giant link XD)
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[10:14] <kw> small link :) https://ninevolts.net/r/vv
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[10:16] <alexandre9099> thanks :D
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[10:17] <nacelle> alexandre9099: I use a cable like one of those without problems on a pizero
[10:17] <nacelle> but its short
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[10:17] <alexandre9099> yea, the one i have is one meter, i also bought some more for the phone but it fails a lot... i need to buy some more quality cables
[10:18] <alexandre9099> maybe i'll bought this one https://www.aliexpress.com/item/For-associative-micro-USB-data-cable-original-Android-phone-Tablet-charging-line-24AWG-28AWG-shield/32529343939.html
[10:18] <nacelle> i cannot remember having any problems with bad usb cables, sketchy to quality appearance, etc.
[10:19] <nacelle> i've had problems with bad usb hubs
[10:19] <alexandre9099> well, if the wires inside the cable are too small it should give problems
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[10:21] <nacelle> my guess is one of the sticks is faulty
[10:21] <nacelle> usb flash drives are not generally known for their durability
[10:23] <alexandre9099> i need to backup the backup before it fails
[10:23] <alexandre9099> the problem is that my main laptop is going to the repair and they maybe change the HDD...
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[10:24] <alexandre9099> grr, having almost no money is pretty boring ... i really want to buy a proper HDD, but i have no money for that.... XD
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[10:36] <Drzacek> Hi
[10:38] <alexandre9099> hi
[10:38] <Drzacek> Anyone can recommend some confirmed good usb cable? Looking for micro usb cable that can take 2A, on ebay they all claim their cable is good but no way to actually confirm this.
[10:38] <alexandre9099> well, there is, buy it and if it does not work open a case on ebay ;D
[10:39] <alexandre9099> i'm about to buy this cable https://www.aliexpress.com/item/For-associative-micro-USB-data-cable-original-Android-phone-Tablet-charging-line-24AWG-28AWG-shield/32529343939.html
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[10:40] <newbie123> I have set a password for the pi account but when I do sudo <command> it doesnt ask for any password .. why ? How do I enable this ?
[10:41] <alexandre9099> it seems to be good, but i dont have it so i cant confirm
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[10:41] <alexandre9099> newbie123: you have to change /etc/sudoers or something like that
[10:41] <alexandre9099> search for that file
[10:41] <Drzacek> http://www.ebay.de/itm/USB-2-0-micro-Schnellladekabel-2-A-dickere-Stromadern-0-5m-fur-Smartphone-u-a-/371577538690 gonna risk buying this
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[10:45] <alexandre9099> Drzacek: well, that's expensive
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[10:45] <alexandre9099> i dont know what are the postage to the germany, but to portugal it is expensive :D
[10:46] <Drzacek> alexandre9099, after buying dozens 30cent cables :D
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[10:46] <Drzacek> 5 EURO inkl. shipping
[10:46] <newbie123> http://paste2.org/2O1dGMhv alexandre9099 ....Any ideas ..what to modify ?
[10:47] <alexandre9099> i might risk that aliexpress cable
[10:47] <alexandre9099> a little bit cheaper and seems to have quality :)
[10:49] <alexandre9099> newbie123: let me search
[10:49] <newbie123> Okay
[10:50] <alexandre9099> ok, see if there is any file inside /etc/sudoers.d
[10:50] <Lartza> newbie123, How did you open sudoers?
[10:50] <alexandre9099> with sudo, maybe
[10:51] <alexandre9099> :D
[10:51] <newbie123> Lartza, With leafpad
[10:51] <Lartza> Stop immediately, don't save any changes, unless you used visudo
[10:51] <alexandre9099> Lartza: i think he cant made changes without being root
[10:51] <alexandre9099> he can see the file but cant change ti
[10:51] <alexandre9099> *it
[10:52] <Lartza> That is true too yes
[10:52] <Lartza> Except only root should have read rights to the file
[10:52] <Lartza> So
[10:53] <newbie123> I just want it to ask for my password when I run sudo <command>
[10:53] <alexandre9099> Lartza: is there any difference from using nano /etc/sudoers and visudo?
[10:53] <Lartza> Yes
[10:53] <Lartza> "EDITOR=nano visudo" is what you should use
[10:53] <clever> visudo will check it for mistakes, and refuse to save if you are breaking sudo
[10:54] <Lartza> ^
[10:54] <alexandre9099> interesting, always used nano /etc/sudoers :D
[10:54] <newbie123> me too
[10:55] <alexandre9099> lol, when there is a error: "(Q)uit and save changes to sudoers file (DANGER!)" XD
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[11:05] <pagios> raspivid -t 999999 -h 720 -w 1080 -fps 25 -hf -b 2000000 <-- this is encoded video or raw?
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[11:12] <alexandre9099> hum, i think i know what the problem was, the pendrives were overheating... that maybe was the problem
[11:16] <Sonny_Jim> lol
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[11:43] <DoctorD90> hi guys! :D good morning ^^
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[11:43] <DoctorD90> i was thinking to use mcp23017 with rpi to get update when a interructor has benn pressed.
[11:43] <DoctorD90> without led or other staff
[11:44] <DoctorD90> 1 mail when button change state
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[11:44] <DoctorD90> as always...could I ask a little help with circuit? what resistor should I use with button?
[11:44] <DoctorD90> i would not fry rpi xD
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[11:58] <newbie123> Hi, When I try to play any video I get this "$ omxplayer tamma.mkv * failed to open vchiq instance"
[11:58] <psby233> DoctorD90: 5k~10k res are ok
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[11:59] <DoctorD90> it is not there difference so? :P even I i put 10 or 20 button? :P rigth?
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[11:59] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, have you run out of on-board GPIO pins for a button?
[12:00] <sjk> Hey! I'm building a music server from a rpi3 and I'm looking for a suitable ~1TB hard disk to use with it. Preferably as quiet as possible (but ssd will be too expensive). Any suggestions?
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, and technically you don't need any resistors - mcp23008/17 have them buil tin..
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> (as does the Pi)
[12:01] <DoctorD90> gordonDrogon, I would like to create a door controller. So in an house I have 1 door, 1 windows x room + main entrance. So I would be just stay sure using mcp :P
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> ok - the '17 gives you 16 extra GPIO pins.
[12:02] <DoctorD90> oh! :D great :D this would be my first experiment with mcp :D
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[12:02] <gordonDrogon> if using C, then: http://wiringpi.com/extensions/i2c-mcp23008-mcp23017/
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> even if not, I'd strongly suggest using the gpio command to test it before writing any other code.
[12:03] <DoctorD90> i have to go to study in another city, and I havent seen yet this house, so I dont know well how many doors/windows this house has....due to this Id like to do a modular/scalable system :P like with mcp
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> if you want to get an interrupt out of it into the Pi, then that's trickier - not directly supported by wiringPi, but it can be done. I've no idea if the python lib.s support that either.
[12:04] <DoctorD90> uhm...i dont know C...I was thinking to use bash....so I can send mail from local
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> bash is OK, you can use the gpio command in bash.
[12:04] <DoctorD90> i asked about resistor due to some search....
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> connect: GPIO pin -> button -> 0v
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> and enable the internal pull-up.
[12:05] <alexandre9099> sjk: almost every disk on these days are pretty silent, be sure to have a powerful enough power supply
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> then the input button reads 1 when not pressed, and 0 when pressed.
[12:05] <DoctorD90> gotcha! this one: http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2013/07/how-to-use-a-mcp23017-i2c-port-expander-with-the-raspberry-pi-part-1/
[12:05] <DoctorD90> yea..this is the base...but with mcp? :P
[12:05] <psby233> gordonDrogon: connect a res between the button and the port may be safer, i think
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> psby233, blah blah blah. (sorry - I hear this all the time - it's a personal choice, if you think you're going to set the pin to output mode, write 1 to the pin, THEN push the button, then sure, go ahead)
[12:07] <DoctorD90> i discard led part, and keeping button part, i saw the resistor
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, that's ok to wire the chip up. you can use the gpio command to set individual bits.
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[12:07] <gordonDrogon> probably only because it's hard to set the pull-up resistors using the i2cset command.
[12:08] <DoctorD90> I would like to try in C too, but I have to make some other reasearch firtly :P
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> with gpio: gpio -x mcp23017:200:0x20 mode 200 up
[12:08] <DoctorD90> thi from bash?
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[12:08] <DoctorD90> oh! :D great! :D
[12:08] <DoctorD90> and this will give me the state?
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> to read a pin: x=`gpio -x mcp23017:200:0x20 read 200`
[12:08] <DoctorD90> ah yes...mode...i havent seen it
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> actually, you need a mode in too.
[12:09] <sjk> alexandre9099: the 2.5" ones i have are a lot quieter. but then there's the issue of powering them from the usb port and not having an external power supply fro the disk
[12:09] <alexandre9099> sjk: on Rpi 3 that should not be an issue, have you tried it?
[12:09] <DoctorD90> so i have to use the first to set in input mode, then I have to loop pins reading to check
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> there is a down-side to using bash though - the gpio command is stateless. it will not remember the state of output bits. So if you set a pin to output then write 1, then (in another command) set another pin t output and write it to 1, it will reset the first pin.
[12:10] <sjk> alexandre9099: no, not yet!
[12:10] <alexandre9099> just try it :D
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> for i in `seq 200 215`; do gpio -x mcp22017:200:0x20 mode $i in ; done
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> s/22/s23/
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> urk, but you get the drift.
[12:10] <DoctorD90> and this set the mode to inpput, rigth?
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[12:11] <gordonDrogon> yes, you need to run that twice, one to set input, one to set the pull-ups
[12:11] <DoctorD90> (yea, i understand a little bit the bash, so never mind :D, the important is the main sennse :D)
[12:11] <DoctorD90> so for loop twice....
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> or 2 x gpio commands in the same loop.
[12:13] <DoctorD90> for i in `seq 200 215`; do for s in up in; do gpio -x mcp23017:200:0x20 mode $i $s ; done ; done
[12:13] <DoctorD90> first up, then in
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> er, yes.
[12:14] <DoctorD90> and seq 200-215 are all pins of mcp?
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> the numbers: 0x20 is the I2C address, and 200 is the base pin number for the mcp23017. This can be any number > 63. 200 is easy to type.
[12:14] <DoctorD90> ok, so i leave 200 always
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> you could use 100, then have 100 through 115, or 6655 then have 6655 through that + 15 inclusive.
[12:15] <DoctorD90> If i need other mcp, I have to change 0x20 to what I will set (from my memory) using pins on chip
[12:15] <DoctorD90> oh :D grat :D
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi is a pin based GPIO library - it works with pins - the -x command to the gpio command says "Add in this mcp23017 into wiringPi with 16 extra pins and a base pin number of (200 here)' ...
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> yes, with 2 of them, one at 0x20, the other at 0x21, you can use a base of 200 for one, and 216 for the other, then loop from 200 to 231 for 32 consecutive pins.
[12:16] <sjk> alexandre9099: i was hoping not to have to do a lot of stress testing to see whether the drive would start acting up when the pi is under heavier load, etc. :) researching now how many amps this 2.5" disk needs
[12:16] <DoctorD90> great :D
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[12:17] <DoctorD90> so with that one, I can simply connect button to mcp to rpi, thanks to pull ups :D
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> sjk, power drive drive independently if possible. even off the same PSU - a Y connector - one leg going to the Pi's �USB the other leg going to the drive - just so the drive isn't directly USB powered.
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, do check your wiring - pin -> button -> 0v.
[12:18] <alexandre9099> sjk: usualy it is 1A
[12:18] <alexandre9099> max
[12:18] <DoctorD90> then I have to read with -x command, to know the actual state....check with a previous and so I will know change between reads
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, yes - it's a busy-polling loop, but if the Pi isn't doing anything else, then it's OK.
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, have a look at this: http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/gpioExamples/tuxx.sh
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> it has a single button input, but it might give some suggestions.
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> anyway - back later. stuff to do here.
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[12:21] <sjk> gordonDrogon: i think i've only seen the kind that has two usb-a legs
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[12:22] <sjk> alexandre9099: i think that's half of what my pi gets
[12:22] <DoctorD90> thx gordonDrogon :D
[12:23] <alexandre9099> ???? if it is a RPi 3 it shouldn't even boot up :D
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[12:23] <sjk> actually, bit less than half
[12:23] <sjk> it gets 2.4A
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[12:25] <alexandre9099> HDD's are 1A at max, if they reach that it might be for just 1 or 2 seconds when the disk is spinning up
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> yes
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[12:31] <sjk> so you're saying I should give it a go, then. :-)
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[12:40] <gordonDrogon> the power needs for a Pi v3 is stated at 2.5A, however 1.2A of that is reserved for the USB (+ GPIO).
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> the v3 has a 2.5A polyfuse on the input.
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> I only suggest the power splitter to reduce the current going through the polyfuse, where possible.
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[12:46] <DoctorD90> gordonDrogon, easy: can I use i2cget instead of gpio? 0o
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, sure. you need to read, stdy and digest the mcp23017 data sheet though.
[12:46] <DoctorD90> >.<
[12:46] <Sonny_Jim> I found the MCP24017 pretty easy to use
[12:46] <DoctorD90> i have to study for graduate xD holy grrrrr
[12:46] <Sonny_Jim> Can't remember if I was using WiringPi to do it though
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[12:47] <gordonDrogon> :)
[12:47] <DoctorD90> Sonny_Jim, i have 5 mcp23017 xD
[12:47] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> actually, it is a fairly straightforward chip to use - really designed for microcontrollers where code space may be at a premium.
[12:47] <Sonny_Jim> It's like a mixing desk, looks really complicated but then you realise it's just the same thing duplicated multiple times
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> yes- for the most part 2 duplicated sets of registers - or just one in the case of the mcp23008.
[12:48] <Sonny_Jim> The only hiccup I recall was that I had the i2c address set wrong due to bad soldering
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> it's important to keep the 3 address lines biased - either high or low, but don't let them float.
[12:49] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah I think that was my issue, had left one of them floating so it would randomly jump around
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[12:51] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20170424_114940.jpg
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> is a little mcp23017 board I've made up for another project ...
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> I have 3 of these on an Arduino system.
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> although it would work perfectly well on a Pi too.
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[13:00] <DoctorD90> this is why internet is great :D
[13:00] <DoctorD90> http://raspberrypi.link-tech.de/doku.php?id=mcp23017
[13:00] <DoctorD90> and not just a bunch a porn site ahahah
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[13:07] <DoctorD90> what does mean: Activate Interrupt OnChange for Port A ??? On change? 0o
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[13:10] <Sonny_Jim> If portA changes, trigger interrupt would be my interpretation
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[13:20] <DoctorD90> uhm....so it becames input...but I havent to use i2cget? 0o
[13:21] <DoctorD90> Sonny_Jim, i agree with you, but it should be something of different...I should "open a port" always on "hear"/reading
[13:21] <Sonny_Jim> Have you got a link to the datasheet?
[13:21] <DoctorD90> not more run commands
[13:21] <DoctorD90> yea but it is a little bit too complicate for me :P im reading on internet
[13:21] <DoctorD90> still complicate*
[13:21] <Sonny_Jim> Np, what page is that bit on and I'll have a look
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[13:22] <DoctorD90> http://raspberrypi.link-tech.de/doku.php?id=mcp23017
[13:22] <DoctorD90> in the middle more or less
[13:22] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[13:22] <Sonny_Jim> It's a 48 page document
[13:22] <Sonny_Jim> Could you be a little more specific?
[13:23] <Sonny_Jim> Oh wait, I was reading the actual datasheet
[13:23] <DoctorD90> yea xD
[13:23] <Sonny_Jim> Ok I got it now
[13:23] <DoctorD90> it is a little too smaller xD
[13:23] <Sonny_Jim> So, this is what I think that means (and gordonDrogon, please step in if I've got this wrong)
[13:24] <Sonny_Jim> You write that value, it tells the MCP23017 to trigger an output on the interrupt pin when PortA changes state
[13:25] <Sonny_Jim> So, INTA would go high when PortA changes (if you write that value to the MCP23017)
[13:25] <Sonny_Jim> It's handy for reading a keyboard matrix, things like that
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[13:26] <Sonny_Jim> And when I say PortA, it means any of the pins from 21-28
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> I think so - I've never used interrupts on these devices. never had a need to.
[13:26] <Sonny_Jim> same
[13:26] <DoctorD90> ehm...the issue still remain 0o how can i see the change? ...oh..wait...no I issue still remains
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[13:26] <DoctorD90> how can i read/get change automatically wthout read it?
[13:26] <Sonny_Jim> So you want to know if there's been a change on any of the PortA pins?
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> AIUI, you get a pin-change interrupt, you read the pin-change register to see which pin changed, then act on that data ..
[13:27] <DoctorD90> or better...it is to get a "visual" (led) change of state? connecting 2 bank (a and b), it 1 change, the led turn of/on? on other bank?
[13:27] <DoctorD90> yes Sonny_Jim
[13:27] <DoctorD90> (even if I have now discovered my futyre house has 6 doors xD ...so using mcp is a overshooting xD ahahah but at least I will learn :D
[13:28] <Sonny_Jim> Personally, I wouldn't bother with using it
[13:28] <Sonny_Jim> Just replicate the functionality in my own code
[13:29] <Sonny_Jim> Like gordonDrogon says, it's probably there to save space in your code/speed up the time it takes to detect the change
[13:29] <DoctorD90> Sonny_Jim, do you mean an easy loop to check it every X seconds? rigth?
[13:29] <Sonny_Jim> Actually, it's there so you can have a 4x4 keyboard matrix (so 16 inputs)
[13:30] <Sonny_Jim> It's a little tricky to explain, but you have a matrix of 8 wires, each with diodes on them
[13:30] <Sonny_Jim> You monitor that pin to see when any of those keys have been pressed, then read the results from the pins
[13:30] <Sonny_Jim> But again, you probably don't need to worry about it, unless you want to make a keypad matrix or something
[13:30] <Sonny_Jim> It's there because it's quicker to monitor one pin than 8
[13:31] <DoctorD90> ok, so it is just to pass to other devices not connected to i2c
[13:31] <DoctorD90> much faster :P yea...
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[13:31] <Sonny_Jim> Well, there's a few use cases, but yeah, it's mostly because it's quicker than reading all 8, but I don't think you need to worry about it
[13:32] <ali1234> the interrupt is there because i2c slaves can't initiate communications on the bus
[13:32] <DoctorD90> but I use bash, so I cant leave pin opened to read data...maybe in C, but in bash I have to cycle the read commands
[13:32] <ali1234> and in this specific case you can't get a sensible interrupt from a keyboard matrix anyway. it would interrupt on every scan if you held a key down
[13:32] <DoctorD90> and to learn: page use this command to setup input
[13:32] <DoctorD90> sudo i2cset -y 1 0x20 0x00 0xFF
[13:33] <DoctorD90> probably 0xFF (255 if I remember well)
[13:33] <DoctorD90> to set in output?
[13:33] <DoctorD90> 0x00 ?
[13:33] <HrdwrBoB> FF is 255, yes
[13:34] <Sonny_Jim> ali1234: Ah ok. So rather than constantly scanning the pins, you just wait for a trigger from the INT pin. Make sense
[13:34] <Sonny_Jim> Good for battery life I guess
[13:35] <ali1234> this chip isn't designed to be a keyboard matrix anyway
[13:35] <ali1234> so you get the same problem
[13:35] <ali1234> you can get dedicated matrix controllers that will work better if that is what you need
[13:35] <Sonny_Jim> No, I was just thinking up of random reasons why you might want to use it
[13:36] <ali1234> you will see other i2c devices, like temperature sensors, which assert the interrupt line when the temperature is above a set level
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[13:43] <DoctorD90> ali1234, ??? how can I get trigger? 0o
[13:43] <DoctorD90> from INT? 0o
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[13:47] <Mogashi> Hello! I am thinking of ordering a Raspberry Pi 3 to use as a media center / snes emulator. I have never dabbled with this, but I read some good things about something called Kodi. What do I need to order more then just the Pi itself?
[13:47] <DoctorD90> (lunch...afk)
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[13:50] <Mogashi> I see there is also a premium kit for more then double the price
[13:51] <ali1234> power supply, sd card, hdmi cable, and something to control it with
[13:51] <Mogashi> But that has a case, a power supply, hdmi cable and what I think is a memory card
[13:52] <Mogashi> ali1234: ok so the premium pack is pretty nice then. I do have a hdmi cable and maybe a power supply tho, so I'll check prices on the sd card and maybe get it a bit cheaper.
[13:52] <Mogashi> My friend has a 3D printer so he offered to make me a custom case :)
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[13:59] <pwillard> https://www.amazon.com/Limited-Raspberry-MEDIAPI-integrated-Remote/dp/B00SEGYY7C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452963023&sr=8-1&keywords=media+PI
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[14:00] <Sonny_Jim> You don't need another remote
[14:00] <pwillard> lol
[14:01] <Sonny_Jim> Not if your TV supports HDMI CEC (which most do)
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[14:01] <pwillard> My TV is essentially a HDMI monitor.
[14:04] <HrdwrBoB> it just also happens to have an integrated set top box
[14:04] <HrdwrBoB> or whatever
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[14:08] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, if you don't know/want to know C but like BASH, then maybe BASIC is for you? My RTB is a nice structured and easy to use BASIC that can talk to the GPIO and help you draw pretty pictures...
[14:09] <DoctorD90> uhm...basic...i played with it MANY years ago...at time of win 95 xD
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> it's been about much longer than that :-)
[14:09] <DoctorD90> i want to learn C, only that I have not time yet...
[14:10] <DoctorD90> after summer I should get spare time to learn it a bit :D
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[14:12] <DoctorD90> btw i think im at the end of tunnel :D ...prbably I create a good script to check door states ^^
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[14:14] <Sonny_Jim> I would learn something like BASIC or Python first
[14:14] <Sonny_Jim> C is, well, quirky
[14:14] <Sonny_Jim> And not really needed nowadays, what with the oodles of spare cycles CPUs have
[14:15] <DoctorD90> Sonny_Jim, I suggest python...it is much used from what I have seen
[14:17] <Sonny_Jim> Well. It's certainly flavour of the month right now
[14:18] <Sonny_Jim> A lot of internet stuff is glueing stuff together and Python seems pretty good at that
[14:18] <pwillard> Maybe even Ruby
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[14:20] <pwillard> C is not quirky. It doesn't deserve that moniker.
[14:21] <Sonny_Jim> If you learn C, you get to grow a beard and defend it from all these pesky, new languages ;)
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[14:22] <Sonny_Jim> In fact, ##c is one of the harshest IRC channels I've ever been in
[14:22] <pwillard> Some might say that C is a little closer to the hardware than other languages. That is not a negative trait.
[14:22] <brainzap> get off my lawn you evil Rust people with your bug free code
[14:22] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[14:22] <ali1234> #bash is worse than ##c
[14:23] <Sonny_Jim> Sheesh, I can't imagine that
[14:23] <pwillard> Honestly, I've been learning Ruby lately and find it refreshing.
[14:23] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah a C++ friend of mine raved about it
[14:24] <pwillard> C++ causes me to punch walls... so I get it
[14:24] <brainzap> I write Javascript, lol kill me
[14:24] <Sonny_Jim> I know bits and bobs of C, spent a while trying to get started with C++ but found my time was better spent learning a bit of Python
[14:25] <Sonny_Jim> Although I hate hate hate it's whitespace handling. Source code is for humans, why does a computer care where I put things
[14:25] <pwillard> Well, you an a bajillion other people brainzap... doesn't mean its a great language.
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[14:25] <Sonny_Jim> The standard response to that is 'don't write ugly code'
[14:25] <Sonny_Jim> But meh, it all turns into 1s and 0s so what's the problem
[14:26] <ali1234> source is for humans thats why python forces you to write human readable code
[14:26] <pwillard> RUBY is similar to python without the whitespace BS
[14:26] <Sonny_Jim> See I'd probably like that
[14:26] <Sonny_Jim> The one thing worse than C zealots is Python zealots when you mention whitespace ;)
[14:26] <ali1234> ruby is similar to python but with the readability of perl
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> I've done 30+ years of C. 1 year of C++. Lots of other eseoteric things. and stuff I've written myself.
[14:26] <pwillard> ^^ me too
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> somehow BASIC is just more relaxing :)
[14:26] <Sonny_Jim> haha
[14:26] <pwillard> Agreed
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> I did write my own BASIC interpreter though - in C.
[14:27] <Sonny_Jim> LOGO FTW
[14:27] <pwillard> I did a lot of stuff back in the day with just "Turbo Basic"
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> well, Logo... the best bit of logo was turtle graphics :)
[14:27] <ali1234> try using any basic dialect created by microsoft
[14:27] <Sonny_Jim> Didn't Gates write GORILLA.BAS?
[14:27] <ali1234> probably
[14:28] <pwillard> Microsoft pretty much broke the programming world to make it succumb to their world view.
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> in the 70's and 80's micros and millions were made & lost on your BASIC being better than the next chaps ...
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> at least I'd like to think that, however, I was there...
[14:29] <pwillard> hehe... you can play gorilla in UZEBOX
[14:30] <brainzap> some say he has a BASIC compiler in his brain
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> https://web.archive.org/web/19990202113028/http://hem.passagen.se/hedsen/prg/games/gorilla.bas
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> must resist translating it into RTB Basic ...
[14:32] <ali1234> why is it double spaced?
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> else I might end up with another: https://youtu.be/x-5lfTqdZUY
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[14:44] <Sonny_Jim> That se webhost looks vaguely familiar
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[14:46] <Sonny_Jim> Ah it's where I first found Granulab
[14:54] <pwillard> Codecademyt has a decent intro to ruby, btw
[14:54] <pwillard> Sorry www.codecademy.com
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[15:12] <DoctorD90> gordonDrogon, Sonny_Jim 90% completed :D
[15:12] <DoctorD90> (i hope)
[15:13] <DoctorD90> this nigth I have to test it :D
[15:13] <DoctorD90> https://pastebin.com/raw/pBP0bS6g
[15:14] <DoctorD90> yea I know...I can use array...but it is not completed yet :D
[15:16] <Sonny_Jim> Could do with a bit more object orientated programming in mind
[15:16] <Sonny_Jim> But looks alright, certainly seen worse
[15:16] <Sonny_Jim> The last bit could do with a for loop
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[15:16] <HrdwrBoB> DoctorD90: that is terrible
[15:17] <HrdwrBoB> I mean, it's impressive
[15:17] <DoctorD90> yea sonny, but I did it so, so I have a map of bit->pin :P
[15:17] <DoctorD90> HrdwrBoB, why? :D
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[15:17] <HrdwrBoB> but anytime you are actually coding in bash, you have failed
[15:17] <DoctorD90> ahahah yea :D I know :D
[15:17] <pwillard> haha
[15:17] <Sonny_Jim> Oh wait, that's bash
[15:17] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[15:17] <Sonny_Jim> For some reason it looked like python to me
[15:18] <DoctorD90> unfortunatly due to study, I havent time to learn WELL other programming langs....so I do as I can :D
[15:18] <Sonny_Jim> I'm going to keep quiet and eat my noodles now
[15:18] <DoctorD90> now I have to make part to retrieve changes, and send mails :P
[15:18] <pwillard> FYI. almost nothing new in this world
[15:19] <DoctorD90> somewhere, I have it yet done...but I dont remember where...I have done it with nc
[15:20] * Pennth codes in bash all the time but never considered it for Pi. So now I have a starting point for eeevil thoughts. Thatnks DoctorD90
[15:20] <DoctorD90> ahahahah nope Pennth ^^ happy to be of some help :D
[15:21] <DoctorD90> the most annoying part is to check changes xD
[15:21] <DoctorD90> in a smart and modular way...
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[15:21] <DoctorD90> now I can control up to 16 doors :D ...
[15:22] <DoctorD90> i have to purchase a very long wire to cable all the house xD
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[15:22] <DoctorD90> I hope i will not encounter any kind of drop in electric world....voltage if I remmeber well
[15:23] <gordonDrogon> holy cow, batman.
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[15:24] <gordonDrogon> all that bit mangling in bash.
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[15:31] <pwillard> I likely bought my house before the walls were put in. I wired it for CAT5. Contractor didn't care.
[15:31] <pwillard> Dang autocorrect.
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[15:32] <DoctorD90> xD gordonDrogon do you mean latest lines?
[15:33] <DoctorD90> they are just for my own debugging....I will pull out and use array later
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[15:34] <DoctorD90> im looking at scheme too now :P
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> I spent time giving you stuff to use the gpio command and you don't bother using it. Oh well.
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[15:38] <DoctorD90> http://i65.tinypic.com/muhgkn.png
[15:39] <DoctorD90> nono gordonDrogon :D i will use too :D
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[15:39] <DoctorD90> I will do in both ways :D
[15:39] <DoctorD90> so i will learn both ^^
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[15:41] <gordonDrogon> that button will short circuit the 3.3v and the 0v lines together.
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[15:42] <DoctorD90> uhm...so I have to put a 10k?
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> no - you have to wire it up correctly.
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> gpio pin -> button -> 0v.
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> no connection to 3.3v whatsoever.
[15:42] <DoctorD90> uhm...i think i have understood!
[15:43] <Sonny_Jim> 3.3v -> 0v = Ghetto reset button ;)
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> remove the black wire from button to 0v and change the red one from the button to the 0v line rather than the 3.3v line.
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[15:45] <DoctorD90> oh! i have to connect to gnd...gotcha! not to 3v3 ok
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[15:45] <gordonDrogon> the pin has an internal pull-up to 3.3v.
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> (when you enable it)
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[15:47] <DoctorD90> https://s28.postimg.org/nbk466bbx/Untitled_Sketch_bb.png
[15:48] <DoctorD90> and if I need to connect other button, just add the same way to other pins....great ^^
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> pin -> button -> 0v
[15:50] <pwillard> rule of thumb with those switches... always use the diagonally opposed pins to be sure you are not selecting the shorted PINS.
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[15:50] <DoctorD90> great ^^
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[15:51] <pwillard> as wired now... keypress does nothing... as the pins are connected
[15:51] <DoctorD90> pwillard, wait..i have to translate :P
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[15:51] <DoctorD90> ah gotcha
[15:52] <DoctorD90> yea...i have to create manualy the connection....with the door...but thx for the tip :D i will keep it in mind ^^
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> fritzing will highlight a connected path in breadboard mode too - that'll help you identify the open/closed path through the button.
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[15:53] <gordonDrogon> I always have to check which way those buttons go, but the diagonal tip is very handy.
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[15:54] <DoctorD90> oh :D great :D fritzing write "pin 1 connect pin2" usefull :D
[15:54] <DoctorD90> im learning a lot of stuff ^^ I love you guys ^^
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> so if you move the black wire to the bottom half of the board it'll be fine.
[15:55] <DoctorD90> yea :D
[15:55] <DoctorD90> i read tip on connections in fritzing...btw I will check tonigth with tester before do stupid stuff :D
[15:56] <DoctorD90> issue is in the "reality".....how to make a connection only when door is closed XD i think i will use alluminium sheet
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[15:57] <gordonDrogon> there are many good solutions - some are magnetic reed switches, but you need to do a bit of woodwork to fit them flush.
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> microswitches are another option.
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> a couple of bits of foil will work - once or twice.
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> until it gets deformed.
[16:00] <DoctorD90> .....magntic....
[16:00] <IT_Sean> Are we taling about a person-sized door? Like, a door door?
[16:00] <DoctorD90> hall effect...
[16:00] <DoctorD90> IT_Sean, yes, doors and windows
[16:00] <DoctorD90> 3 and 3
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[16:00] <IT_Sean> I assume you are trying to elrectronically determine if the door is open or closed, yes? If so... magnetic reed switches would be how it would be done professionally.
[16:01] <DoctorD90> 1 main entrance, 2 for 2 rooms. 1 windows in the main room, other 2 windows in each of 2 rooms
[16:01] <IT_Sean> Reed switch goes in the frame, magnet in the door / window.
[16:01] <IT_Sean> <--- former alarm installer
[16:01] <DoctorD90> reed switches...
[16:01] <DoctorD90> ahahah holy great xD what a lucky man i am! hahaha
[16:02] <DoctorD90> thx to gordonDrogon I was thinking to hall effect too
[16:02] <DoctorD90> i have some hall micro chip relevator
[16:02] <DoctorD90> so with abunch of macgnet I have solved probably :P
[16:03] <DoctorD90> but I dont know if they will make circuit harder, or I have to just change switch with hall chip
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> hall effect are more expensive than magnetic reed switches. both still need the magnet. hall effect ones typically need power too, so 3 wires to the sensor.
[16:03] <DoctorD90> but i go to look at this reed switch first
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[16:04] <gordonDrogon> you buy the reed switch & magnet as a pair so they look the same when mounted and not like some frankenbodge.
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> randome google image: http://www.dswbrand.com/manager/imagefile/10597446492022_2.jpg
[16:05] <DoctorD90> frankenbodge xD ahaha great explanation :D
[16:05] <DoctorD90> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Reed_switch_%28aka%29.jpg/258px-Reed_switch_%28aka%29.jpg
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[16:06] <gordonDrogon> that's a bare switch. don't buy that - buy the ones ready encapsulated with nice magnets to go with it.
[16:06] <DoctorD90> i hope my electric seller has it...if I have to wait for aliexpress...I will end my master period :P
[16:06] <clever> gordonDrogon: https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Recessed-Security-Magnetic-Contact/dp/B01FFL44N2
[16:06] <DoctorD90> gordonDrogon, why not? 0o what is the down side of it?
[16:06] <clever> gordonDrogon: these plug types are completely invisible once the door is closed, but you may have to rip walls open to install them
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> just google: door reed switch for 100's of variants.,
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> the down side is that unless you're really good with DIY it's going to look really really ugly.
[16:07] <clever> gordonDrogon: oh, you can also get things like this at a home-hardware like store: https://www.pegasuslighting.com/door-activated-switches/door-jamb-light-switch.html
[16:07] <DoctorD90> i will do all with scotch (i think)..because hous is in...rent(?)..not of my proppriety
[16:08] <clever> gordonDrogon: its meant to turn a closet light on when you open the door
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> clever, I'm not interested - tell this to DoctorD90
[16:08] <clever> but nothing says you cant use low voltage on it
[16:08] <clever> DoctorD90: all of the links i previously pasted
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[16:09] <DoctorD90> thx clever :d im still viewing :D
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> either way, bare switches & magnets, or flush fitting ones, you want it to look good and invisible.
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> anyway, lunch time here.
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> late lunch that is.
[16:09] <DoctorD90> gordonDrogon, 1.my father is very good with soldering :) 2.i have to learn one day :D so ...ahah
[16:10] <DoctorD90> good lunch gordonDrogon :D thx!
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[16:38] <tristero> I want to wire up a Pi with a low-battery detect line on one of its GPIOs, but I haven't finished the code that will listen for that signal. On boot, will the GPIO pin default to a state (like floating) where it's safe to have a high signal on it?
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[16:40] <DBag> hey guys. quick question. how much stuff can I put into 1 pie? i.e. can I have a pihole + server + music streaming ect
[16:40] <Sonny_Jim> server?
[16:40] <Sonny_Jim> Could you be more specific
[16:40] <DBag> heh I mean to act as a server
[16:40] <redrabbit> DBag: probably
[16:40] <Habbie> DBag, depends on how much your services are being used, what model of pi, what storage, etc.
[16:41] <Habbie> DBag, 'act as a server' does not mean anything specific
[16:41] <Sonny_Jim> DBag: serving what though? Potatoes? Clown shoes?
[16:41] <redrabbit> that nick though
[16:41] <redrabbit> lols
[16:41] <redrabbit> serving douches
[16:42] <DBag> it has been many months since someone has mentioned my nick name...
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[16:42] <DBag> great nick tho. people seem to notice me finally :(
[16:42] <redrabbit> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=d+bag
[16:42] <redrabbit> ^^"
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[16:43] <DBag> I know I know. the original idea was like a Teabag, TBag, DBag. only moments after making my nickname I realized "fuck"
[16:43] <EvilDMP> redrabbit: Since this channel is supposed to welcoming and friendly for everyone, including young children, please don't introduce topics and language that might be inappropriate.
[16:43] <Kryczek> scrolling across channels and the first line I see here is "how much stuff can I put into 1 pie"; must be #cooking :D
[16:43] <redrabbit> it has 8 pages of definitions lol
[16:43] <EvilDMP> and DBag too
[16:44] <DBag> sorry
[16:44] <EvilDMP> Thanks
[16:44] <redrabbit> EvilDMP: noted. Agreed
[16:44] <Habbie> thanks redrabbit
[16:44] <DBag> tho let's be frank here. not that many kids come to irc these days.
[16:44] <redrabbit> so, what do you want to serve ?
[16:44] <Habbie> DBag, and if we don't watch out, it stays that way
[16:45] <DBag> anyway, what I meant is to act as an website server where I could host websites.
[16:45] <Habbie> depends on the websites then
[16:45] <Habbie> static files are easy
[16:45] <redrabbit> it certainly would handly light load
[16:45] <DBag> of course the size of those websites would be a few people a day
[16:46] <Habbie> but a single wordpress blog will kill a pi if you don't watch out
[16:46] <DBag> more like an restful service serving as an api probably with node backend. nothing serious anyway
[16:46] <Habbie> DBag, exposed to the internet?
[16:47] <DBag> cause I'm trying to decide between 32g and 64g microsd, that's what I'm asking heh
[16:47] <DBag> Habbie, yeah
[16:47] <Habbie> when i mentioned wordpress, the point is not how many real visitors you have - it's how much you get hit by search engine crawlers and various worms
[16:48] <Habbie> those chew up your CPU
[16:48] <redrabbit> the size of the microsd is a personal choice, depends on how much stuff you think you will put
[16:48] <Habbie> but if your API can very quickly reject invalid clients, it probably should be fine
[16:48] <Habbie> as for SD, consider that you can always add USB and that it might even be faster
[16:48] <redrabbit> i dont use more than a few gb on my machines
[16:48] <Habbie> also, replacing the SD with a bigger one, if you can tolerate some downtime, is easy
[16:48] <petn-randall> If you have a good uplink a google crawler can easily take down a badly configured wordpress site.
[16:48] <Nintendo4DS> I can run this flask server at the same time as using picamera, but if I try to use picamera in the same script as the flask server, it gives picamera.exc.PiCameraMMALError: Failed to enable connection: Out of resources
[16:48] <redrabbit> 8gb is enough for me usually ^^
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[16:49] <Sonny_Jim> wordpress blows
[16:50] <Sonny_Jim> Full of vulnerabilities
[16:50] <redrabbit> i use network storage, maybe a small sd and an external mass storage device would be better
[16:50] <DBag> nah I dont need wordpress. that is normie stuff lol
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[16:50] <redrabbit> all comes down to personal choice at the end
[16:51] <redrabbit> no choice is supperior
[16:51] <DBag> you're right of course. I'm just kidding hah.
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[16:51] <redrabbit> ah, i meant that in general, for the usb vs micro sd
[16:51] <redrabbit> guess it works with that as well
[16:51] <DBag> lol
[16:52] <DBag> Nintendo4DS, but how it could be out of resources with only those 2 running
[16:53] <redrabbit> you need to try and figure out if it handles the load
[16:53] <redrabbit> assume it will
[16:53] <redrabbit> then if it doesnt expand hardware
[16:54] <Habbie> 'Out of resources' does not necessarily mean you have used all your CPU and RAM
[16:54] <Habbie> it means you hit -some- limit and your system is full of limits, many of them configurable
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[16:55] <DBag> oh
[16:55] <redrabbit> i usually dont do much extra stuff with my camera equipped pis, they get busy enough with the cam
[16:55] <DBag> and what are you guys using your pies for?
[16:55] <Habbie> i am ircing from it
[16:56] <Habbie> and i will soon move my mail to it
[16:56] <redrabbit> linux boxes
[16:56] <Habbie> another one should be controlling a LED strip but i haven't put it in place yet
[16:56] <redrabbit> i started messing with arduino and esp8266
[16:56] <redrabbit> no coming back from there
[16:56] <Habbie> i mix and match
[16:56] <Habbie> the remote for my LED strip is an 8266
[16:56] <Habbie> the physical controller is a pi
[16:56] <redrabbit> ^^
[16:57] <Habbie> although it could also be a 8266 if i wanted to
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[16:58] <DBag> nice
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[17:02] <DBag> I wonder if pi would be a good backup storage. stick 2 usb flash drives, ala raid 1 and call it a day
[17:03] <Sonny_Jim> RAID is not backup
[17:03] <Sonny_Jim> Repeat after me
[17:03] <Habbie> like with any backup solution, you need to monitor
[17:03] <Sonny_Jim> RAID is not backup
[17:03] <Habbie> Sonny_Jim, RAID is a good place for backups though
[17:03] <Sonny_Jim> Again
[17:03] <Sonny_Jim> RAID is not a backup
[17:03] <Habbie> yes
[17:03] <ShadowJK> Sonny_Jim, so if he removes one storage device, turning it from raid 1 into a single device, it becomes backup?
[17:03] <Sonny_Jim> Two different types of storage medium, in two different places and test it regulary
[17:03] <Sonny_Jim> That's backup, not raid
[17:04] <Sonny_Jim> RAID is not backup
[17:04] <ShadowJK> So backup storage can not have raid?
[17:04] <Sonny_Jim> No
[17:04] <Sonny_Jim> RAID is not backup
[17:04] <ShadowJK> I see
[17:04] <Habbie> Sonny_Jim, you are right but you are also confusing matters now :)
[17:04] <Sonny_Jim> Two different types of storage medium, in two different places and test it regulary. That is backip
[17:04] <Sonny_Jim> RAID is not backup
[17:04] <ShadowJK> so if his desktop PC backs up to RaspberryPI over internet, it's not backup if his rpi is running raid, but it IS backup if his rpi is NOT running raid?
[17:05] <Sonny_Jim> Two different types of storage medium, in two different places and test it.
[17:05] <Davespice> sounding like a broken record here
[17:05] <Sonny_Jim> Just hoping the message gets through
[17:05] <DBag> what if I'm too poor for that kind of stuff
[17:05] <Habbie> Sonny_Jim, i'm afraid your message is not improving with repetition
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[17:06] <redrabbit> lol, agreed
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[17:06] <redrabbit> what i do is cold backups
[17:06] <redrabbit> they remain unplugged with a mirror of my data
[17:06] <Sonny_Jim> In the same place?
[17:06] <redrabbit> thats quite safe and dont cost more than raid
[17:07] <redrabbit> nope i have a pelican case with the hard drives
[17:07] <Davespice> think of raid is a means of using multiple cheap disks to avoid problems caused by disks falling over dead, there are different types of raid but the basic principle is the same data is synced to multiple disks in an array - so that if one fails the others can take over
[17:07] <redrabbit> i can put them anywhere
[17:07] <redrabbit> i'll have totally off-site backups in a few month as well
[17:08] <Davespice> and back up is like having your important files on your PC, and two other places, like an external hard drive and another external you keep in a safe at your parents place
[17:08] <DBag> but that is *kind of like* a back up plan
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[17:08] <Davespice> I always say something isn't backed up unless it's copied in 3 places
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[17:08] <redrabbit> yeah
[17:08] <redrabbit> for lower cost though you can classify by importance
[17:08] <redrabbit> most important stuff 3 to 4 times
[17:08] <Davespice> you're also using backups to guard aginast catastrophie like a site fire
[17:09] <Sonny_Jim> ^ That
[17:09] <redrabbit> mkay important 2 times
[17:09] <Sonny_Jim> I've seen people backup stuff important, then just leave it right next to the computer they backed it up from
[17:09] <Sonny_Jim> Might not be a fire, might have a breakin, flood
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[17:10] <Davespice> ah yeah, you have to displace the backup to another physical location
[17:10] <Habbie> my USB backup practice has gotten a lot less useful since i started working from home, yes
[17:10] <DBag> that also depends on the importance of backups ofc
[17:10] <redrabbit> the most sensitive stuff like text documents, my recipes, manuals, coding, websites > all the low weight stuff, i keep that stuff copied allover the place
[17:10] <Davespice> a Pi is a pretty good way of doing that actually, you can get it to rsync everything in your user folder ever day or so
[17:10] <redrabbit> you never have enough copies
[17:10] <Davespice> and maybe once a week you compress that and push it up to the cloud somewhere
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[17:11] <Sonny_Jim> I'm not totally sold on cloud backups yet, but it can't hurt
[17:11] <redrabbit> crontab + rync to maintain mirrors
[17:11] <Habbie> Sonny_Jim, if you get the encryption right they do not hurt at least
[17:11] <Sonny_Jim> Depends on how much you trust the company, how long you need that data for and how much it would cost to replace that data
[17:12] <redrabbit> i dont trust external
[17:12] <DBag> if it's encrypted who cares?
[17:12] <redrabbit> i like to handle the hardware
[17:12] <redrabbit> its lower cost as well
[17:12] <Habbie> Sonny_Jim, you're missing the 'what does it cost' factor
[17:12] <Habbie> Sonny_Jim, if it is a free extra backup destination, the other factors almost go away
[17:12] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
[17:13] <Sonny_Jim> Storage is cheap enough now for it not to be a problem
[17:13] <Habbie> sure
[17:13] <redrabbit> not for 6tb
[17:13] <Habbie> i can buy 2TB for EUR10/month with my VM here
[17:13] <redrabbit> so 30/month for 6TB ?
[17:13] <redrabbit> how long till you can pay your own hardware off that
[17:14] <Sonny_Jim> Exactly
[17:14] <Habbie> redrabbit, yes, plus the cost for the VM itself
[17:14] <Sonny_Jim> ah
[17:14] <Sonny_Jim> Well, that evens out
[17:14] <redrabbit> the opposite
[17:14] <Sonny_Jim> Oh yeah, read it wrong
[17:14] <Habbie> redrabbit, well, i would also need a place to put my own hardware, and then also maintain it, so it's easy to consider it a good deal :)
[17:15] <Sonny_Jim> I think some people vastly confuse what a VM actually is, and what it's useful for. Someone in here the other day was asking if they could run a VM on their *pi*. I guess they meant, can I use a Pi as a remote server
[17:16] <Habbie> yes, people are confused a lot
[17:16] <Habbie> both are valid questions but it's painful when one is supposed to mean the other
[17:16] <Sonny_Jim> I've also seen people complain of games performance when running under a VM
[17:16] * Sonny_Jim does Jackie Chan meme face
[17:16] <nacelle> and here I want both vms on a pi and pi in a vm
[17:17] * Sonny_Jim gets the Pimms out
[17:17] <nacelle> and I know exactly what i'm saying when I say that :-)
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[17:17] <Habbie> nacelle, me too!
[17:17] <Habbie> nacelle, but it appears docker (on amd64) will cover all my 'pi in a vm' needs
[17:17] <redrabbit> sounds crystal clear
[17:17] <Sonny_Jim> I remember when VMs were called VPS. Cloud storage was someone elses computer.
[17:18] <Habbie> maybe i should have used VPS before, yes
[17:18] <Sonny_Jim> You don't hear much about thin clients any more. I guess they changed the name of them
[17:18] <redrabbit> https://www.ovh.com/fr/vps/vps-ssd.xml < that's still marketed as VPS
[17:18] <Habbie> but having spent a quarter of my working life running a company called 'CloudVPS' none of the terms mean anything to me anymore ;)
[17:18] <Sonny_Jim> Fire the ovh marketing manager!
[17:18] <Habbie> redrabbit, well, isn't it?
[17:18] <redrabbit> i'm talking from the 3$ one atm
[17:19] <redrabbit> it is
[17:19] <Habbie> if you like those, scaleway is nice as well
[17:19] <DBag> can we all for a second appreciate how cheaply you can buy 32gb class10 microsd card these days
[17:19] <Habbie> they have an EUR3/month bare metal server
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[17:19] <Habbie> just the storage is shared
[17:19] <DBag> im amazed
[17:19] <Habbie> DBag, indeed
[17:19] <nacelle> Habbie: ooh containers are nice
[17:19] <nacelle> i've been running lxd
[17:19] <Habbie> DBag, and when you said you had to decide between 32/64, i forgot to point out the price difference would probably not be interesting
[17:19] <Habbie> nacelle, ack, haven't tried lxc/lxd but i hear good things
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[17:19] <Habbie> nacelle, running raspbian in there should be easy as well
[17:20] <DBag> yeah I just checked prices. 32gb is 13 euros.
[17:20] <nacelle> hobbie: I hope so, i'll get to it soon
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[17:20] <nacelle> easier to try out new pi OS in a vm before I write it out to an sd
[17:20] <DBag> 64gb is 24, that's so cheap. tho I also need to buy a case and power supply so I'm already out of budget. #juststudentthings
[17:20] <Habbie> nacelle, find me (in channel preferably) if you need help, i've done it in docker but my coworker couldn't replicate it so i guess there were subtleties i did not convey to him
[17:21] <nacelle> will do!
[17:22] <Habbie> nacelle, for now, just remember you will definitely need qemu-*-arm
[17:22] <Habbie> nacelle, qemu-static-arm i think
[17:22] <DBag> allrigh thanks for the help guys. I'll be getting back here in a week or so after I get my pie delivered
[17:23] <Habbie> DBag, good luck
[17:23] <redrabbit> have fun
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[17:23] <cnnx> how many watts does a raspberri pi use
[17:23] <redrabbit> depends
[17:23] <cnnx> the 3b model
[17:23] <redrabbit> 1sec
[17:23] <cnnx> i wanna know what size solar panel to buy
[17:23] <cnnx> is 15 watts enough
[17:24] <cnnx> to charge a battery
[17:24] <redrabbit> http://imgur.com/ObMhTah
[17:24] <redrabbit> go large
[17:24] <Sonny_Jim> I think you'd need a fairly big panel or a very sunny day to run a Pi
[17:24] <Habbie> also http://raspi.tv/2016/how-much-power-does-raspberry-pi3b-use-how-fast-is-it-compared-to-pi2b
[17:24] <redrabbit> maybe consider the pi0 instead
[17:24] <Sonny_Jim> But I have no numbers to prove this
[17:24] <cnnx> 1watt>
[17:24] <cnnx> wow
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[17:24] <cnnx> 1 watt x 24
[17:25] <cnnx> 24 watts/day
[17:25] <redrabbit> 1.280 idle
[17:25] <Habbie> that's not how watts work
[17:25] <cnnx> 24WH
[17:25] <Habbie> from my url, top draw is 1.75W
[17:25] <redrabbit> tbh just go for a pi0
[17:25] <Habbie> so 1.75Wh per hour
[17:25] <Habbie> 42Wh per day
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[17:25] <cnnx> i want wireless
[17:25] <Habbie> pi zero w has wireless
[17:25] <cnnx> whats the diff then
[17:25] <redrabbit> yeah and its low power
[17:25] <cnnx> ok
[17:25] <Habbie> updated version of previous url http://raspi.tv/2017/how-much-power-does-pi-zero-w-use
[17:26] <redrabbit> only 100mA
[17:26] <cnnx> ill google it
[17:26] <redrabbit> idle
[17:26] <Habbie> redrabbit, that's zero, not zero w
[17:26] <redrabbit> so 500mW
[17:26] <redrabbit> that's what i measured
[17:26] <Habbie> ah ok
[17:26] <Habbie> this page goes slightly higher
[17:26] <redrabbit> zero is like 80mA
[17:26] <Habbie> well you agree on the 20mA difference :)
[17:26] <cnnx> i wanted to build an outdoor solar robot with rpi but im not working right now so was gonna do something much cheaper
[17:26] <redrabbit> yep
[17:26] <cnnx> like a solar station
[17:27] <redrabbit> they probably picked 120ma for a margin of error
[17:27] <redrabbit> because there will be losses in any system
[17:27] <Habbie> i think the method was documented somewhere
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[17:27] <cnnx> where's the usb ports on the pi zero?
[17:27] <cnnx> i dont see them
[17:27] <Habbie> cnnx, the micro-usb port has OTG
[17:27] <redrabbit> its probably safe to assume its accurate to do calculations based on 120mA
[17:28] <cnnx> OTG?
[17:28] <redrabbit> its approximately half the use of a pi3
[17:28] <redrabbit> even a bit less
[17:28] <Habbie> cnnx, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go
[17:28] <redrabbit> its just like a regular usb port
[17:28] <cnnx> i dont know what kind of project to do
[17:28] <cnnx> a weather station?
[17:28] <cnnx> with rpi
[17:29] <redrabbit> you need a 50cent adapter to plug regular usb on it
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[17:30] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, I guess brianx is in the process of moving as he mentioned.
[17:30] <Habbie> i paid EUR11 for the zero w, EUR8 for hdmi+otg+pins
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[17:30] <Habbie> the latter is a bit steep
[17:30] <redrabbit> you only need to get them once though
[17:30] <redrabbit> then you can use them for all your pi0
[17:30] <Habbie> sure
[17:30] <Habbie> for all my one pi0
[17:31] <redrabbit> lol
[17:31] <Habbie> which has been in the bag it came in since early march ;)
[17:31] <redrabbit> dawg
[17:31] <Habbie> i've been busy
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[17:31] <Habbie> i just ordered it because i could ;)
[17:31] <redrabbit> i have wholes boxes of stuff in the bag :o
[17:31] <redrabbit> O:)
[17:31] <Habbie> i did play with the bbc micro:bit i also found out i could buy that day
[17:33] <Habbie> redrabbit, i see now that you also have numbers that go above the raspi.tv post, by loading more than once core: )
[17:33] <Habbie> *one core
[17:35] <redrabbit> conclusions were, if i go for a solar pannel unit i would use a pi0 or pi0w with an arduino nano for power management
[17:36] <Habbie> what kind of power management?
[17:36] <Habbie> turning the pi on/off?
[17:36] <redrabbit> yes
[17:36] <redrabbit> and usb ports
[17:36] <Habbie> ack
[17:36] <Habbie> how?
[17:36] <Habbie> usb ports, how? i mean
[17:36] <redrabbit> with rtc clock mosfet and schedule
[17:36] <Habbie> i mean how do you manage the usb ports
[17:36] <redrabbit> mosfet for power control
[17:36] <redrabbit> i just cut the Vcc line
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[17:37] <Habbie> the usb devices are not powered from the pi?
[17:37] <redrabbit> well that's how im going to do it
[17:37] <redrabbit> no the power would come from the psu
[17:37] <Habbie> right
[17:37] <Habbie> then it makes sense
[17:37] <redrabbit> i would have to make my own sort of hub
[17:38] <Habbie> or modify an existing one
[17:38] <redrabbit> or get a cheap one and tweak it
[17:38] <redrabbit> yea
[17:38] <Habbie> assuming you want to be able to cut per device?
[17:38] <redrabbit> yes
[17:38] <Habbie> understood
[17:38] <redrabbit> just identify the power line, cut it and control with a mosfet
[17:38] <redrabbit> ^^
[17:38] <Habbie> so what kind of setup is this that you need this fine grained control?
[17:38] <redrabbit> same for the pi itself
[17:38] <redrabbit> the arduino can get into deep sleep
[17:39] <redrabbit> and that way its not using anything (almost)
[17:39] <redrabbit> for solar pannel powered rpi that is left in the wild
[17:39] <redrabbit> with a small sized pannel
[17:39] <redrabbit> with camera and 3G
[17:40] <cnnx> my parents wont let me use the yard for my projects anymore
[17:40] <redrabbit> lol
[17:40] <cnnx> whats a small solar project i could hide
[17:41] <redrabbit> i would control the arduino from the pi0 with serial interface
[17:41] <cnnx> i dont like arduino it has no linux
[17:41] <redrabbit> get battery status/incoming power
[17:41] <redrabbit> are you trolling?
[17:42] <cnnx> trolling? i dont even know what that means
[17:42] <redrabbit> you can do better
[17:42] <cnnx> so probably not
[17:42] <redrabbit> ok
[17:42] <Habbie> cnnx, actually that's one of the reasons arduino and such are interesting - no operating system overhead
[17:42] <redrabbit> its awesome because its low power and low cost
[17:42] <Habbie> cnnx, real time control, low power usage, cheap
[17:42] <cnnx> Habbie: its just a MCU from what i understand
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[17:42] <Habbie> cnnx, yes
[17:42] <cnnx> control with IO pins and voltage
[17:42] <redrabbit> very good for concise, small everyday tasks
[17:43] <cnnx> a small rover would be fun with rpi
[17:43] <cnnx> strong enough to go on grass
[17:43] <cnnx> and solar
[17:43] <redrabbit> the esp8266 is the best since its an arduino with wifi
[17:43] <redrabbit> you can do all sorts of things
[17:43] <cnnx> why are you guys selling arduino in a rpi channel lol
[17:44] <redrabbit> its quite not the same stuff
[17:44] <Habbie> redrabbit, experience arduino users tell me the esp has some limitations compared to a real arduino, but with the wifi, can't beat it for price
[17:44] <Habbie> cnnx, for one, many people combine pi and arduino (or esp8266) in projects
[17:44] <redrabbit> they go well together
[17:44] <Habbie> cnnx, secondly, even if they don't, many people in here have a shared interest in both
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[17:44] <Habbie> cnnx, we are not 'selling' anything
[17:44] <cnnx> ok
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[17:44] <cnnx> "promoting"
[17:44] <Habbie> indeed they go very well together
[17:44] <redrabbit> Habbie: i have full sized arduinos, nanos, wemos, esp, nodemcu
[17:44] <redrabbit> they all have pros and cons
[17:44] <Habbie> redrabbit, ack
[17:44] <cnnx> i have experience with phidgets then
[17:44] <cnnx> its an interface to control hardware
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[17:44] <cnnx> and sensors
[17:44] <pwillard> And what it can't do well for networking, a Pi3 does.
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[17:45] <redrabbit> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/D1-mini-Mini-NodeMcu-4M-bytes-Lua-WIFI-Internet-of-Things-development-board-based-ESP8266/32529101036.html
[17:45] <redrabbit> theses are my personal favorites
[17:45] <redrabbit> low cost, high performance
[17:45] <redrabbit> 4mb of space
[17:46] <cnnx> cna some of you share small projects you've done wiht rpi/arduino?
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[17:46] <cnnx> just so i get ideas for cheap things i can do
[17:46] <Habbie> redrabbit, yeah that's also what i buy mostly
[17:46] <redrabbit> lights control IOT
[17:46] <Habbie> cnnx, you know guitar hero?
[17:46] <cnnx> Habbie: no
[17:46] <Habbie> oh :)
[17:47] <redrabbit> make power controllers with relays and / or rf 433 mhz modules to control lights, everything in the house really
[17:47] <Habbie> well, look up what it is, then look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Lxqn27McA
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[17:47] <Habbie> that's an esp8266 inside a guitar
[17:47] <Habbie> talking to a pi over wifi
[17:47] <Habbie> with the pi controlling an rgb led strip
[17:47] <cnnx> i ordered a sim card from bell canada to re-activate a usb modem (ceullular) that i had laying around from 5 years ago, can i use that with rpi?
[17:47] <Habbie> cnnx, depends on linux support, but quite likely
[17:48] <polprog> very likely
[17:48] <cnnx> its a novatel u679
[17:48] <redrabbit> Habbie: looks... useful lol
[17:48] <Habbie> redrabbit, i'm pretty sure i've seen cheaper on ali for the d1 mini btw
[17:48] <Habbie> redrabbit, useful? no :)
[17:48] <redrabbit> Habbie: not the 2.2.0
[17:48] <cnnx> i would deploy it somewhere safe
[17:48] <Habbie> redrabbit, oh! what's the difference?
[17:48] <cnnx> and control the rpi from it
[17:48] <redrabbit> you can find older versions for a dollar less
[17:48] <redrabbit> but they are either trimmed down (1mb instead of 4) or older
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[17:50] <redrabbit> for a lower cost its more interesting to order more than one, since shipping costs the same
[17:50] <redrabbit> what i like about these is the shields that you can buy
[17:50] <Habbie> yes, wemos is convenient that way
[17:50] <redrabbit> you have oled screens, relays, battery
[17:50] <redrabbit> lots of things
[17:50] <cnnx> right now i use a rpi 3b for irssi
[17:50] <cnnx> so its always conected
[17:51] <cnnx> is a that a good use?
[17:51] <redrabbit> you have to be good at soldering though
[17:51] <redrabbit> and have a good iron
[17:51] <Habbie> cnnx, i'm typing at you from a pi2 with weechat and tmux, so yes!
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[17:51] <cnnx> ok
[17:51] <cnnx> i use tmux as well
[17:51] <redrabbit> cause none of it is soldered
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[17:51] <Habbie> redrabbit, to put the pins in - yes, that's how i relearned to solder a year ago :)
[17:51] <Habbie> redrabbit, went quite well
[17:51] <Habbie> redrabbit, i did put some care into buying a good iron at decent cost, indeed
[17:51] <redrabbit> yep
[17:52] <redrabbit> i got a 14$ regulated iron from aliexpress with 3 tips
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[17:52] <redrabbit> decent enough
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[17:52] <pwillard> $4 Fire Starter irons will only give poor results
[17:52] <cnnx> what are some places i could deploy a rpi? only on private property?
[17:52] <redrabbit> you can pick temp between 200 and 450°C and its well finished
[17:52] <Habbie> i got the Aoyue 936 for 40 bucks, locally
[17:52] <Habbie> cnnx, not really a pi question i would say :)
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[17:53] <redrabbit> cnnx: depends on local laws
[17:53] <Habbie> sure does
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[17:53] <redrabbit> go somewhere with not many people
[17:53] <smdeep> redrabbit, can you share the details of the iron from aliexpress?
[17:53] <cnnx> like in 2011 i build an indoor robot and i hardly use it
[17:53] <cnnx> i wanna build something i will use
[17:53] <redrabbit> smdeep: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/220V-EU-70W-Electric-Adjustable-Temperature-Welding-electric-soldering-iron-Welding-Tool-kit-set-tweezers/32650209879.html
[17:53] <smdeep> redrabbit, many thanks!
[17:53] <redrabbit> the 63/37 solder that comes with it kinda sucks though
[17:53] <redrabbit> i prefer 60/40
[17:53] <smdeep> Ok
[17:54] <redrabbit> matter of taste
[17:54] <Habbie> when i bought my iron i forgot to order solder with it ;)
[17:54] <smdeep> redrabbit, I am a noob so have to learn
[17:54] <polprog> just don't buy leadfree solder
[17:54] <polprog> it's terrible
[17:54] <redrabbit> the tweezeers they include are good
[17:54] <redrabbit> you even get some rosin
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[17:55] <redrabbit> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Sale-High-Quality-0-5mm-100g-60-40-Rosin-Core-Tin-Lead-Solder-Wire-Soldering-Welding/32679230667.html
[17:55] <redrabbit> this is my favorite so far
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[17:55] <redrabbit> i still have to make my own flux with that colophane i got + isopropanol..
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[17:59] <redrabbit> cnnx: btw, irssi ftw
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[18:00] <cnnx> redrabbit: yeah irssi why
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[18:00] <redrabbit> just sayin i <3 it
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[18:04] <cxeq> i have a very tiny bit of experience with django, is it better to use flask for the lower overhead, or django (i need database n all)
[18:05] <cxeq> on the rpi
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[18:13] <cnnx> where's the cheapest place to order a rpi
[18:13] <cnnx> amazon?
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[18:23] <pwillard> How soon do you want it?
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[18:24] <pwillard> Chaeap/Fast does not compute
[18:24] <shiftplusone> depends on the country you're in.
[18:24] <pwillard> I'm actually kind of ready to slap anyone who only thinks in terms of CHEAP.
[18:25] <polprog> get one from farnell
[18:25] <polprog> that way you can be sure it's legit and more important working
[18:25] <shiftplusone> When it comes to the pi, buying from whoever sells it for RRP, isn't a bad thing, and that's about as cheap as it's going to get.
[18:25] <pwillard> 50% f mine come from Farnell. They are reasonably FAST to US destinations.
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[18:28] <pwillard> and pretty sure I'm right when I say "there are no fake PI's"
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[18:28] <pwillard> If I want FAST, I buy amazon.
[18:30] <pwillard> Amazon will add ~$6 to the price if you want it fast.
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[18:36] <smdeep> Could someone please give me a link on how to connect a rtc and bme280 both i2c on the same breadboard to the PI ?
[18:39] <pwillard> Remove the Pullup resistors on one of the boards.
[18:39] <methuzla> pwr to pwr. gnd to gnd. sda to sda. scl to scl.
[18:39] <pwillard> and that
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[18:40] <pwillard> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%C2%B2C#/media/File:I2C.svg
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[18:42] <pwillard> NOTICE: Only 1 place where pullups exist... no matter how hard Sparkfun and Adafruit try to make you think that each BOARD needs pullups. ;-P
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[18:42] <brianx> that's where that bs is coming from... good to know.
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[18:46] <methuzla> i think that's being done just to make the boards easier to use. more plug and play.
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[18:48] <methuzla> is there any kind of 'standard' for who has responsibility for the pull up resistors? master? slave?
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[18:49] <polprog> pullups for what?
[18:50] <polprog> the standard is that some lines are pulled high and some low so they dont float when idle
[18:50] <methuzla> i2c
[18:50] <polprog> for i2c, 1k to 10k
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> note that the Pi has on-board pullups for the I2C bus.
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> so no peripherals should have them fitted.
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[18:51] <polprog> ^^
[18:51] <methuzla> true that. just asking in general.
[18:51] <methuzla> so pi decided to add them
[18:52] <polprog> in gerenal less than 10k, not too much, not too small
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> methuzla, typically the 'master' would have the pullups fitted, however I2C is a multi-master capable bus.
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> but virtually no-one uses that capability that I'm aware of.
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[18:52] <gordonDrogon> and I don't think the Pi can easily act as an I2C slave either.
[18:52] <polprog> soft i2c prolly
[18:53] <methuzla> and then adafruit/sparkfun tend to include pull ups on their various i2c breakout boards
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> that's because an Arduino doesn't have pull-ups by default.
[18:53] <polprog> if things start to get unstable remove those resistors
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[18:54] <gordonDrogon> you can use the internal pull-ups on the ATmega processor, but they're a bit too high for anything other than a few cm bus length. (nor higher speeds)
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[18:55] <polprog> i put external pullups on avr boards except for pushbuttons
[18:55] <methuzla> right. so i was basically responding to pwillard 's comment.
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> although saying that, I currently have 3 x mcp23017's on an ATmega without anything more than the internal pull-ups enabled - only running at 100Khz though and the total bus length is about 150mm.
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[18:55] <polprog> 2307 is that io exapnder?
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> yes - gives an extra 16 bits/pins.
[18:56] <polprog> biditectional?
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[18:56] <polprog> those are cool
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[18:57] <polprog> i tend to use 595s for output only expanders
[18:57] <pwillard> The pullup can happen anywhere, actually.
[18:57] <shauno> silly question, do you know offhand if they do tristate?
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> shauno, the mcp23017's? Yes - you put then in input mode and remove the internal pull-up.
[18:58] <polprog> 595 can do that too, theres outpu enable pin
[18:58] <shauno> ima save that somewhere. I've found scant mention of it most places, but I figured you'd be the kinda weirdo (affectionate sense) who'd know that one :)
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[18:59] <methuzla> pwillard: sure. and if you're designing the whole setup, masters and slaves, then you can decide where and what value.
[18:59] <methuzla> but if you are selling gadgets that are essentially masters (pi, arduino) and gadgets that are slaves (i2c breakout boards), where should they go?
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> for Pi specicif boards - not on the breakout boards, but for arduin - on the breakout board with an easy means to disable them.
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> hard to have one solution for all here...
[19:02] <methuzla> yep
[19:02] <methuzla> esp. since boards tend not to be pi/arduino specific.
[19:03] <methuzla> at least for the various i2c breakouts
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[19:18] <polprog> id say leave empty footprints for the pullups, if somebody wants to use a boatd with arduino he should know how i2c works
[19:18] <polprog> for example a tht-smd combo foorprint
[19:18] <methuzla> or she
[19:18] <polprog> yes, or she ,:)
[19:19] <polprog> actually i dont know whats the proper pronoun for "somebody"
[19:19] <polprog> :P
[19:20] <polprog> also i am a huge fan of putting a power indicator led on boards i design :)
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[19:21] <IT_Sean> LED indicators for ALL THE THINGS
[19:22] <Armand> polprog: One can assume.
[19:22] <IT_Sean> You can never have too many blinkenlites.
[19:22] <Armand> ^ ++
[19:22] <Armand> polprog: Re: pronouns.
[19:22] <Armand> IT_Sean: I really want to create a per-core CPU meter, like the BeBox.
[19:23] <polprog> Armand: bebix had the most awesome blinkenlight e v e r
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[19:23] <Armand> I know.. I have one. ^_^
[19:23] <polprog> doable with an avr/arduino and scripting
[19:23] <polprog> wow. what do you use it for?
[19:23] <IT_Sean> How to tell if you need more blinkenlites: Is there room for more blinkenlites? If yes: You need more blinkenlites.
[19:23] <Armand> lol
[19:24] <polprog> but they need to be stylish like apollo mision computer, not like your typical late 2000s control room dashboard
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[19:26] <Armand> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152821317302527&set=pcb.10152829449773607&type=3&theater
[19:26] <IT_Sean> i mean, if that's the look you are going for. Asthetically, I agree.
[19:26] <Armand> Sorry.. I haven't put ANY pics on my gallery site yet.
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[19:27] <polprog> where are the lights? its the inside on the pic
[19:27] <Armand> I know. :(
[19:27] <Armand> It's in storage right now
[19:28] <polprog> so is it usable? running beos or something else?
[19:28] <Armand> Yarp
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[19:29] <Mogashi> What memory card do you guys recommend for the RPi 3? I think I'll use it for Kodi and Emulators
[19:30] <Mogashi> No 4K material, since my TV is just 1080p
[19:30] <polprog> 16 gigs, good qualitu
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[19:30] <polprog> quality* sandisk or kingston
[19:30] <polprog> class 10
[19:31] <polprog> and external hdd for media. id keep the sd clean for os only
[19:31] <Habbie> agreed
[19:31] <Habbie> or network storage if you have it
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[19:32] <Mogashi> Ok thanks guys. Don't have any network storage but my router has support for plugging in an external harddrive. But I could just plug that into the pi then :)
[19:33] <polprog> that'd be the fastest :)
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[19:33] <cxeq> i have a very tiny bit of experience with django, is it better to use flask for the lower overhead on the rpi, or django (i need database n all)
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[19:33] <Mogashi> ok great! My external hdd only has usb 2 tho, will that be a problem for playing HD material?
[19:34] <Mogashi> I could get a new one, extra storage space is always nice to have.
[19:35] <polprog> im not sure, i dont know the specs off the head. but i think that no pi model has usb 3.0 ( correct me if im wrong )
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[19:37] <redrabbit> correct
[19:38] <polprog> so it doesnt matter
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[19:39] <redrabbit> i get 8 or 16gb class 10 then i rely on network storage
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[19:42] <redrabbit> you could plug the hdd to your router it could be even better for some aspects
[19:42] <polprog> depends on the router.
[19:42] <redrabbit> yep
[19:42] <redrabbit> I/O could be better
[19:43] <polprog> i believe that a good ethernet connection would be faster than HDD
[19:43] <redrabbit> and you wouldnt hear it
[19:43] <Mogashi> Is it possible to post links in here or will that get me banned?
[19:43] <redrabbit> 1gbps dont cover full hdd speeds for the recent drives but its not far
[19:43] <redrabbit> depends
[19:43] <redrabbit> its probably fine
[19:43] <Habbie> Mogashi, are the links legal and morally okay, without doubt?
[19:44] <Mogashi> yea, it's a lifehacker link
[19:44] <Habbie> oh go ahead
[19:44] <redrabbit> np
[19:44] <Mogashi> Is this something you would recommend, or is there a better way to do it? http://lifehacker.com/how-to-turn-your-raspberry-pi-into-a-retro-game-console-498561192
[19:44] <Habbie> Mogashi, just scrolled through it quickly, but retropie comes highly recommended in general
[19:44] <Mogashi> It fits my needs to have a media center / emulator console
[19:44] <Habbie> Mogashi, hope that helps
[19:44] <Mogashi> Ok cool :)
[19:45] <Mogashi> I'm totally new to this, and found lots of stuff that goes over my head, that is why I'm asking. This seemed easy enough though
[19:45] <redrabbit> there's probably other walkthroughs but if that ones gets you where you want there's nothing wrong picking it
[19:45] <methuzla> ^^
[19:46] <Habbie> indeed
[19:46] <polprog> Mogashi: looks like fairly decent guide
[19:46] <Habbie> note that often you don't need a walkthrough
[19:46] <Habbie> the retropie site has a pretty decent manual
[19:46] <Habbie> straight from the source
[19:46] <Habbie> i recommend reading both before diving in
[19:46] <Mogashi> ah cool
[19:46] <Mogashi> will definetly do that
[19:46] <Habbie> good
[19:46] <Habbie> good luck :)
[19:46] <polprog> that's a good habit :)
[19:46] <Habbie> right
[19:46] <polprog> have fun :)
[19:46] <Mogashi> thanks! what a helpful community :)
[19:46] <Habbie> Mogashi, glad to hear it!
[19:46] * redrabbit dives in straight up
[19:46] <Habbie> i'm off, have fun
[19:47] <redrabbit> reading as I go
[19:47] <methuzla> cut the red wire
[19:47] <redrabbit> hf as well
[19:47] <methuzla> after the blue wire
[19:47] <Habbie> or before, i'm not your bos
[19:47] <Habbie> s
[19:47] <Mogashi> cya guys, i'll probably be back with lots more questions later on lol
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[19:48] <redrabbit> cu
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[19:52] <gkm027> How much python is enough to start learning raspberry pi
[19:53] <methuzla> zero
[19:53] <cxeq> gonna guess people will say 0
[19:53] <redrabbit> you can use raspi for years without even touching python
[19:53] <redrabbit> i dont know much about it
[19:53] <cxeq> maybe a little linux more useful
[19:53] <redrabbit> i use bash a lot though
[19:53] <gkm027> I mean to star doing some electronic projects
[19:54] <methuzla> gkm027: how much python experience do you have?
[19:54] <redrabbit> i use arduino ide and bash
[19:54] <redrabbit> i can do lots
[19:54] <EvilDMP> gkm027: It's the other way round: the Raspberry Pi is an excellent way to learn some basic Python, almost without tring
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[19:54] <EvilDMP> trying
[19:54] <polprog> gkm027: the basics + some gpio lib tutorial
[19:54] <EvilDMP> As well as general *nix skills
[19:54] <polprog> but you can learn while playing with electronics
[19:54] <polprog> :)
[19:54] <gkm027> methuzla: learning from a book
[19:55] <polprog> which book?
[19:55] <redrabbit> for electronics get into arduino and esp8266
[19:55] <redrabbit> along the rpi
[19:55] <polprog> maybe esp not fanatically
[19:55] <gkm027> Crash course in python
[19:55] <polprog> focus on one thing
[19:55] <Habbie> i got into electronics with just the pi; -then- i got arduino and esp
[19:55] <Habbie> there are many valid paths
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[19:55] <redrabbit> Habbie: same
[19:56] <EvilDMP> To the extent that now when I am looking for a solution to some basic Debian/Ubuntu issue or for a general command line incantation, I will include "Raspberry" in my search - just because the material that it returns is pleasanter and friendlier to read
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[19:56] <gkm027> Any arduino channels, so that i don't want to clutter this chat
[19:56] <polprog> 3 years in elctronics as a full time hobby and i have barely touched an arduino :P avrs all the way
[19:56] <methuzla> #arduino
[19:56] <statusfailed> I need to use the uart on my rpi 2B, can anyone recommend a usb-to-ttl serial cable?
[19:56] <redrabbit> gkm027: #arduino
[19:56] <gkm027> Thankx
[19:56] <clever> statusfailed: ive always used https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9873
[19:56] <EvilDMP> By friendly, I mean literally friendly - that the people who wrote it were trying to be as helpful as possible, not to hammer out some references for other experts or to show how clever they are
[19:56] <polprog> statusfailed: any cable will do. look for ch340 or ft232 chip
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[19:58] <statusfailed> polprog: i found one ft232 with wire ends but i dont really want to solder
[19:58] <gkm027> Ok, thankx
[19:58] <statusfailed> can i get some kind of cap to turn them into sockets?
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[19:58] <redrabbit> EvilDMP: i know what you mean
[19:58] <polprog> yes, you can get female pin header crimp connectors
[19:58] <methuzla> gkm027: in general, just start playing around. a good place to start is blinking an led.
[19:58] <clever> statusfailed: the sparkfun product i linked has a female header on it already
[19:58] <methuzla> gkm027: then read a button, etc.
[19:59] <gkm027> Any sources plz!
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[19:59] <clever> statusfailed: and with something like this, you can wire it up to the rpi: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9140
[19:59] <polprog> statusfailed: like this https://www.pololu.com/product/1930
[19:59] <polprog> clever: i think he means bare wire ends
[19:59] <statusfailed> ah "female header pin crimp connectors" might be the magic words i need :-)
[20:00] <polprog> rofl, 4 bucks for 10 jumper wire cables
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[20:00] <redrabbit> alixpress ftw
[20:00] <clever> polprog: the 100 pack is cheaper
[20:01] <clever> polprog: and they have proper square headers on the ends, not the cheap round ones
[20:01] <gkm027> Does raspberry has hevc hardware decoding?
[20:01] <clever> polprog: but the cheap round ones are also on the site: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11026
[20:01] <ams__> I've got a hw clock working with my pi (https://thepihut.com/blogs/raspberry-pi-tutorials/17209332-adding-a-real-time-clock-to-your-raspberry-pi). But I'm unclear - will I still suffer from clock drift? Do I need to periodically call "hwclock -s"?
[20:01] <redrabbit> they dont qualify for cheap imo
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[20:01] <statusfailed> clever: will check them out now
[20:02] <redrabbit> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-Dupont-line-120pcs-20cm-male-to-male-male-to-female-and-female-to-female/32501238474.html
[20:02] <clever> ams__: any modern linux OS will copy the rtc -> cpu at bootup, and use ntp to keep the drift in check, then save the cpu->rtc at shutdown
[20:02] <polprog> statusfailed: you can get those plasic square covers for those crimps i linked to you. i'd recommend it to avoid shorting
[20:02] <redrabbit> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-Dupont-line-120pcs-10cm-male-to-male-male-to-female-and-female-to-female/32376063784.html
[20:03] <ams__> clever: i'm using the hw clock because my pi doesn't have network access, so i can't rely on ntp..unless ntp will check hwclock too?
[20:03] <statusfailed> polprog: yeah i wanted like the individual plastic square female jobbies
[20:03] <clever> ams__: ahh, then it will have 2 different drift rates, the drift of the rtc when the system is off, and the drift of the OS clock when its on
[20:03] <redrabbit> polprog: checkout my links
[20:04] <redrabbit> i got them, they are good
[20:04] <redrabbit> and cheap.
[20:04] <polprog> redrabbit: now that what i call good price B)
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[20:04] <ams__> clever: but will it be polling my hwclock automatically?
[20:04] <redrabbit> real price dawg ;)
[20:04] <clever> ams__: and checking one of my desktops with hwclock, i can see a difference of 114 seconds between the rtc and os, it has beenrunning for 88 days and NTP is keeping the os in check
[20:04] <clever> ams__: normal linux will only check the hwclock once, at bootup
[20:04] <clever> ams__: then the cpu will count the time entirely on its own
[20:05] <polprog> statusfailed: you can find those plastic crimp connectors too
[20:05] <ams__> clever: aha i see, and is there any reason that the hwclock would have a "better" drift than the CPU?
[20:05] <polprog> statusfailed: but i'd learn soldering if i was you
[20:05] <polprog> i were you*
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[20:06] <clever> ams__: i'm guessing part of it is just the lower latency to access a counter in the cpu, and the ability to adjust the speed to fix any possible drift
[20:06] <clever> ams__: but it will also depend on the quality of the rtc you use, it may have more or less drift then the pi clock
[20:06] <statusfailed> polprog: im actually ok to solder, i just wanted a cable i could use on different boards
[20:06] <polprog> that's the one
[20:07] <ams__> clever: my understanding is that this has a lower drift
[20:07] <ams__> because the pi has a very high drift (more so than a regular pc)
[20:07] <clever> ams__: you could probably just make a crontab script to run "hwclock --hctosys" once a day
[20:08] <ams__> clever: gotcha, cheers. i suppose i can just monitor drift over a few days and see how it'll pan out. Thanks!
[20:08] <clever> ams__: there is also "hwclock -c", which will report the change every 10 sec
[20:08] <clever> hw-time system-time freq-offset-ppm tick
[20:08] <clever> 1493067925 1493057011.383377 27 0
[20:08] <statusfailed> redrabbit: oh boy thats cheap
[20:08] <ams__> perfect, thanks
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[20:12] <cxeq> anyone got advice on django vs flask, does django consume too much of the pi
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[20:13] <ams__> cxeq: it's probably fine, but if you just want something very simple flask will suit. Django gives you a lot. If you just want to write a bit of python and have it show up in a web browser - go flask. If you want admin screens, databases, models go django
[20:14] <shiftplusone> Haven't used django, but flask fors fine.
[20:14] <cxeq> ok
[20:14] <shiftplusone> *works
[20:14] <cxeq> I have a little bit of experience with django
[20:14] <cxeq> but I think I'll use flask anyway just to learn new
[20:17] <TooLmaN> Running Raspbian 4-10-2017, the following instructions do not keep the screen from blanking in Pixel. Has anything changed? http://www.etcwiki.org/wiki/Disable_screensaver_and_screen_blanking_Raspberry_Pi
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[20:22] <methuzla> how about flask vs. tornado?
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[21:08] <proditaki> hello
[21:08] <proditaki> can anyone tell me what kernel module i need for the Raspberry Pi 3 ethernet ?
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[21:10] <shiftplusone> smsc95xx?
[21:12] <proditaki> i can only find ./kernel/drivers/net/usb/smsc75xx.ko
[21:12] <proditaki> that didnt work
[21:12] <proditaki> :(
[21:13] <proditaki> on my rpi 2 ether always worked out of the box
[21:13] <proditaki> i just got this 3 today
[21:13] <shiftplusone> yeah, that would be the case, it's not a module in any sane distro
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[21:13] <shiftplusone> What are you running?
[21:14] <redrabbit> use raspbian?
[21:14] <proditaki> raspian-jessie-lite atm
[21:14] <redrabbit> not normal
[21:14] <proditaki> i dont need X
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[21:14] <shiftplusone> what does ifconfig -a say?
[21:14] <proditaki> only lo en wlan0
[21:14] <proditaki> wlan works fine
[21:14] <proditaki> usb too
[21:15] <redrabbit> raspian-jessie-lite is fine, should work
[21:15] <proditaki> i imagine
[21:15] <shiftplusone> lsusb?
[21:15] <proditaki> i used the same ethernet cable as i used in the 2
[21:15] <proditaki> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Standard Microsystems Corp. SMSC9512/9514 Fast Ethernet Adapter
[21:15] <proditaki> its there
[21:15] <shiftplusone> pastebin the output of dmesg
[21:15] <proditaki> k
[21:15] <redrabbit> 21:14 < shiftpluso> what does ifconfig -a say?
[21:16] <redrabbit> 21:14 < proditaki> only lo en wlan0
[21:16] <redrabbit> no eth0 at all ?
[21:16] <proditaki> nope
[21:16] <redrabbit> odd
[21:16] <proditaki> yh
[21:16] <proditaki> i dont get it realy
[21:17] <redrabbit> follow dmesg and plug in the cable, is there anything
[21:18] <redrabbit> dmesg -w
[21:18] <proditaki> nope
[21:18] <proditaki> nothing
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[21:19] <proditaki> dmesg --> https://pastebin.com/WRdyfEzQ
[21:19] <shiftplusone> [ 1153.546488] usbcore: deregistering interface driver smsc75xx
[21:19] <shiftplusone> what happened there?
[21:19] <proditaki> that was me
[21:19] <proditaki> i tried loading that module
[21:19] <shiftplusone> oh, nvrm
[21:19] <redrabbit> its a fresh image on the rpi ?
[21:20] <proditaki> yup
[21:20] <proditaki> just burned it
[21:20] <proditaki> on a SanDisk sd
[21:20] <redrabbit> makes no sense should work right on start
[21:20] <redrabbit> :o
[21:20] <shiftplusone> Not sure what's going on there.
[21:20] <shiftplusone> The driver is loaded
[21:20] <shiftplusone> lsusb shows the hardware
[21:20] <proditaki> yup
[21:21] <shiftplusone> but the device does not seem to be associated with the driver
[21:21] <proditaki> cable is fine if i plug it into a rpi2
[21:21] <proditaki> so thats not it
[21:21] <shiftplusone> which cable?
[21:21] <proditaki> ethernet
[21:21] <redrabbit> id try to re-image the rpi just to make sure
[21:21] <proditaki> i can try my working kodi sd from the rpi2?
[21:21] <shiftplusone> what's the output of vcgencmd get_throttled ?
[21:22] <proditaki> 0x0
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[21:22] <shiftplusone> the ethernet cable doesn't make a difference, there's something going on witht he pi hardware itself.
[21:22] <shiftplusone> possibly faulty
[21:22] <proditaki> its brandnew
[21:22] <proditaki> :/
[21:22] <proditaki> ill reimage the sd just to be sure
[21:23] <proditaki> btw weird that the Rpi 3 has no -click- for the SD
[21:23] <proditaki> it isnt held in
[21:23] <shiftplusone> no click, since that mechanism is unreliable
[21:24] <shiftplusone> it's held in with friction
[21:24] <proditaki> click was fine on my rpi2 tbh
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[21:24] <shiftplusone> yes, but you're not a distributor who has to deal with returns and broken sd slot springs
[21:24] <proditaki> lel true
[21:24] <redrabbit> i like the spring loaded sd card slot on my orange pi
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[21:25] <proditaki> no to self: plug SD card reader in right way up
[21:25] <redrabbit> tbh, im fine with any but the spring loaded feels good
[21:25] <shiftplusone> I personally prefer the push-push mechanism, but understand why the friction slot is better for the pi.
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[21:25] <redrabbit> yep
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[21:25] <proditaki> same
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[21:26] <proditaki> k
[21:26] <proditaki> lets see
[21:26] <proditaki> if it works after rewriting the SD
[21:26] <proditaki> otherwise i have to send the pi back
[21:27] <proditaki> fml..i just tossed the box it shipped in
[21:27] <redrabbit> try other sd card
[21:27] <proditaki> yh i have a few
[21:27] <proditaki> ill burn another one
[21:27] <proditaki> with the same image
[21:27] <redrabbit> dl fresh image
[21:27] <proditaki> i md5-ed it
[21:27] <proditaki> its ok
[21:27] <redrabbit> still
[21:28] <redrabbit> doesnt make you 100% sure its clean
[21:28] <proditaki> how would it be corrupt if the checksum is ok?
[21:28] <redrabbit> i had to dl an image again once
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[21:28] <feliwir> hey, anyone knows if there is a good template for a raspi zero hat for fritzing?
[21:28] <redrabbit> this stuff happens
[21:28] <redrabbit> i was like, why this is not working :o
[21:29] <proditaki> lel
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[21:31] <proditaki> k
[21:32] <proditaki> its showing eth0 but only if i specifically say ifconfig eth0
[21:32] <proditaki> i set it to dhcp
[21:32] <redrabbit> ifconfig eth0 down && ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 && dhclient eth0
[21:32] <redrabbit> try that
[21:32] <strixUK> quick question; i'm more of an ubuntu user so am not familiar with systemd; what do i need to do to create a service with systemd?
[21:32] <Trel> I was curious, does anyone use the Old Skool Cool NES style case for their Pi and successfully installed a case in it?
[21:32] <Trel> *fan
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[21:34] <strixUK> perhaps a better question is, how does debian deal with init.d-style debs?
[21:34] <shiftplusone> strixUK: ubuntu has switched to systemd a while back. In general, you create the service file and enable it. Nothing fancy.
[21:34] <shiftplusone> systemd generated services from init.d files as well for backward compatibility
[21:34] <feliwir> any answers to my questions?
[21:34] <shiftplusone> (but that's a bad idea)
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[21:35] <shadowave> Hello! Anyone online?
[21:36] <shiftplusone> 682 users
[21:36] <shadowave> XD i dont know how this works :0
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[21:37] <shadowave> Can you help me with something though? Is the raspberry pi 1 model b powerfull enough to do video playback at 1080p?
[21:37] <shiftplusone> which codec?
[21:37] <shiftplusone> h264, yes.
[21:37] <shadowave> Not sure, its a video i created from a powerpoint with the extension mp4
[21:37] <proditaki> redrabbit: Cannot find device "eth0" :/
[21:38] <redrabbit> proditaki: you dl'd fresh image?
[21:38] <proditaki> ill do that
[21:38] <proditaki> and use another sd
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[21:39] <shadowave> how do i cehck the codec?
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[21:39] <shiftplusone> http://kodi.wiki/view/Raspberry_Pi_FAQ#Video_and_audio_formats_the_Raspberry_Pi_can_playback
[21:39] <shiftplusone> mediainfo or something similar
[21:40] <shadowave> This article reffers to the pi 1 b right?
[21:40] <shiftplusone> unless otherwise specified, it should refer to all models
[21:40] <strixUK> shiftplusone: seems 'systemctl enable <service>' was enough ;)
[21:40] <shadowave> ok thanks! i guess it can do it :)
[21:40] <redrabbit> same hw decoder i guess
[21:41] <shadowave> I should use omxplayer right?
[21:41] <shiftplusone> right
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[21:41] <shadowave> Thanks for you help dude!
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[21:46] <shiftplusone> np
[21:48] <proditaki> redrabbit: k booting fresh image on fresh SD, wish me luck :P
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[21:53] <proditaki> eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found ;(
[21:55] <proditaki> guess im gonna have to return it
[21:55] <redrabbit> yep, sux
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[21:58] <proditaki> yh
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[22:13] <proditaki> come to think about it
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[22:13] <proditaki> i dont think any LEDs on the front were lighting up either
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[23:03] <r0b-> is there a way to use an rPi as a car GPS?
[23:04] <IT_Sean> is it possible? yes. Is it cost effective, reliable, recommended, sane, or safe? Not really.
[23:05] <r0b-> ok
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[23:06] <GenteelBen> ...
[23:06] <GenteelBen> lol he knew what he wanted to ask then left.
[23:07] <GenteelBen> I would've advised him to buy a satnav with built-in GPS, or a cheap Android phone / cellular tablet.
[23:07] <IT_Sean> that ^
[23:07] <GenteelBen> Satnavs like the TomTom 5000/6000 series have lifetime free data, built-in GPS, speed camera alerts, free lifetime map updates, etc.
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[23:07] <GenteelBen> It's seriously good value for money.
[23:08] <IT_Sean> I mean, a Pi, with a display, 12v power supply, data connection, and a GPS receiver, and a lot of duct tape, could be made to work, I suppose. But, it would be.... well.... there is no other word for it... crap.
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[23:08] <IT_Sean> I wouldn't want that pile of parts in my car.
[23:08] * ShorTie uses the sun for a gps
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[23:09] <GenteelBen> lol yeah, don't use the RPi for anything mission-critical.
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[23:09] <GenteelBen> You'd need a GPS module, a cellular module.
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[23:10] <GenteelBen> There is something to be said for an integrated electronics device.
[23:10] <GenteelBen> Same reason why I wouldn't build my own phone, or life jacket, or whatever...
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[23:14] <IT_Sean> I would build my own phone, or gps device, for giggles. I wouldn't actually USE it for anything serious, though.
[23:15] <IT_Sean> that said, I'm a nerd, so...
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[23:44] <gordonDrogon> anyone ever made a phone? Say a phone for someone with limited mobility - could only use a joystick for example ...
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[23:45] <gordonDrogon> I know GSM/3/4/G modems are a thing - just wodering if anyones gone to the effort of connecting them up to audio stuff and a microcontroller to do the dialling...
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[23:55] <IT_Sean> whelp... it can be done. You can get GSM devices to which you can add a keypad (or something that simulates a keypad) a mic, a speaker, a screen, etc....
[23:56] <IT_Sean> and what with 3D printing being as accessable as it now is, you could make a case very easily.
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[23:59] <IT_Sean> That would actually be a fun project.

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