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IRC Log for 2017-04-27

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[0:09] <methuzla> non-free?
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[0:12] <methuzla> scott_tams: where did you get image?
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[0:23] <scott_tams> the official site
[0:24] <scott_tams> I've tried 2017-04-10-raspbian-lite.img and NOOBS whatever the latest one is from raspberrypi.org
[0:26] <methuzla> what version pi?
[0:26] <scott_tams> B+
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[0:27] <methuzla> how repeatable is the ACT blink?
[0:28] <scott_tams> It seems to happen every time I try with Raspbian. NOOBS didn't do anything.
[0:29] <scott_tams> I've tried #dd bs=[1M,4M,8M] if=raspbian.img of=/dev/sdx (the different bs values are all ones that have been tried, as well as omitting that flag)
[0:29] <methuzla> tried another SD card?
[0:30] <scott_tams> I believe when I tried with 2017-03-02-jessie (i.e. with the pixel desktop) it gave me a separate four-blink error.
[0:31] <scott_tams> the NOOBS was on another sd card, I was about to try with another card reader, I'll use the other card to do raspbian as well.
[0:31] <methuzla> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
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[0:36] <scott_tams> The only thing I can think of is an issue with the SD card or the power supply. I'll check both now.
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[0:37] <Eduard_Munteanu> Is there any integration between X and VC APIs on the RPi, e.g. something like GLX?
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[0:39] <Eduard_Munteanu> I figure the open drivers do that, although I'm asking about the proprietary stuff.
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[0:44] <methuzla> scott_tams: agree. good luck.
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[1:11] <scott_tams> methuzla, it was the sd card
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[1:19] <CoJaBo> Is there a place to download old versions of raspian? Trying to find ones from before when hdmi support was broken
[1:19] <ShorTie> Yes
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[1:20] <ShorTie> pleaze hold
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[1:20] <ShorTie> http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/images/
[1:20] <CoJaBo> Also, what's the earliest/oldest versions that will boot on a Pi 2B, and on a pi 3?
[1:22] <ShorTie> that be the 1st for the rpi3
[1:22] <CoJaBo> ..?
[1:22] <ShorTie> find image that has the same date as the release of the pi3
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[1:27] <CoJaBo> ShorTie: are there release notes?
[1:28] <ShorTie> got me
[1:29] <CoJaBo> :/
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[1:29] <CoJaBo> Found the one for pi2, but not for 3; there's several around that time, and I dunno which is the first working
[1:29] <ShorTie> there is a release note page some where, how far back it goes i don't know
[1:30] <ShorTie> rpi3 was releasted on what date ??
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[1:32] <CoJaBo> 29 February 2016; there are 5 or so immediately before and after. I think it was one of those releases that broke hdmi
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[1:32] <ShorTie> any before will not work on it
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[1:33] <CoJaBo> I suspect some after didn't work either.
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[1:34] <ShorTie> parent dir has the release notes
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[1:37] <CoJaBo> huh. a trillion forum posts, and none of them mention that lol
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[2:23] <IanTLopp> What can I change on the sd card to set the wifi network on a fresh install of raspbian, before I put it into the pi zero.
[2:23] <IanTLopp> ?
[2:23] <methuzla> wpa_supplicant.conf
[2:23] <methuzla> in boot
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[2:36] <HebusLeTroll> Hi, can the pi3 play HEVC 1080@24 videos ?
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[2:37] <nevodka> is there a danger to running at 4.9V
[2:37] <oq> HebusLeTroll: it might "play them".. but play them at an acceptable framerate? probably not
[2:37] <nevodka> i just got a new power supply that advertised 5 and its giving me 4.9
[2:37] <HrdwrBoB> that's fairly normal
[2:37] <HrdwrBoB> as long as it doesn't drop too far when suppling current
[2:37] <oq> it doesn't have hardware support for the hevc/h265 codec
[2:37] <nevodka> i see the low voltage warning intermittently
[2:38] <nevodka> what is the actual danger?
[2:38] <nevodka> i've read something about disk corruption
[2:38] <oq> nevodka: I think the pi is designed to work within -+ 0.25 volts
[2:38] <oq> nevodka: if your red power led starts flashing I would be worried
[2:38] <HebusLeTroll> oq and software decoding is too slow ?
[2:39] <oq> HebusLeTroll: definitely
[2:39] <HebusLeTroll> oq ok thanks
[2:39] <nevodka> oq, it doesn't flash but i see the low voltage warning in the corner
[2:39] <nevodka> for a few seconds at a time
[2:39] <nevodka> then it disappears for awhile and does it again
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[2:39] <nevodka> specifically when i am watching videos.. about to try it while maxing out all the cores
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[2:40] <nevodka> yea.. i saw it drop to 4.74
[2:40] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[2:41] <HrdwrBoB> your power supply is garbage
[2:41] <nevodka> but its averaging 4.8
[2:41] <nevodka> i just bought this $30 power supply because my other supply couldn't handle four 5v devices
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[2:41] <nevodka> this one can handle four but none of them are 5v as advertised
[2:41] <nevodka> :_____:
[2:42] <oq> nevodka: are you maxing out the amps?
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[2:42] <nevodka> im not sure, the ammeter is supposed to measure amps too but the reading is a static 0
[2:42] <oq> some psus tend to get a bit wonky with their output as you push them to their limit
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[2:42] <nevodka> but i was just maxing out all 4 cores
[2:42] <nevodka> so surely the amps were maxed
[2:43] <oq> well the the amp ratings for the pis assume you're powering the max off the usb ports too
[2:43] <nevodka> its at about 4.94 idle
[2:44] <nevodka> 4.9 at 20% load
[2:44] <nevodka> and it dropped to 4.75 range at 100% load
[2:45] <nevodka> what is the associated danger with that low of voltage?
[2:45] <nevodka> do i need a different power supply?
[2:45] <nevodka> i've got some shorter cables coming in the mail
[2:45] <nevodka> but i don't know how much affect that'll have
[2:46] <oq> the gauge of the cable might matter more than the length unless they're really long
[2:47] <oq> but most of the time its the psu
[2:47] <nevodka> its a $30 model from AUKEY
[2:47] <nevodka> which i thought was reputable :/
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[2:51] <ShorTie> low voltage == corrupt sdcard
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[2:59] <nevodka> ShorTie, do you know why that is?
[2:59] <nevodka> and what voltage is low enough to cause it?
[3:00] <rwb> Hi, How can I access the pins if I have a hat on? (wow that's a strange question :)
[3:00] <methuzla> depends on hat
[3:01] <nevodka> it seems the maximum voltage tolerance is 5% or +-0.25 as someone stated
[3:01] <rwb> It's a "sense hat" from rPi version 1.0
[3:02] <nevodka> bleh.... where can somebody get a reliable 4 port PSU
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[3:02] <rwb> I also want to power the pi from its pins.
[3:03] <rwb> but the sense hat covers all the pins
[3:04] <rwb> I basically need to power it directly, (no room for the mini usb)
[3:05] <methuzla> you can solder to the test pads on the pi
[3:05] <oq> *micro usb
[3:06] <rwb> Where are those? I'll try to look that up (right micro :)
[3:07] <methuzla> just looked at sense hat to remember...aren't the pins still available on top? just female instead of male?
[3:08] <rwb> Right, looks like I would need a specific connector for that.
[3:08] <methuzla> test pads are on board, look for round bare copper pads labeled PPxx
[3:08] <methuzla> old list: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=89522
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[3:21] <SpeakerToMeat> Hi all.
[3:21] <SpeakerToMeat> Question, is there any way to use the RPi1 or 2 as a "usb gadget"? or only the zero/zero w
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[3:23] <methuzla> correct
[3:23] <methuzla> or A+ i believe
[3:23] <SpeakerToMeat> Yeah I finally found a few answers, it seems the usb hub in the B prohibits it :(
[3:23] <SpeakerToMeat> thanks
[3:24] <methuzla> yep
[3:24] <methuzla> np
[3:24] <SpeakerToMeat> Now I just have to bitbang a usb guest stack on the gpios :D ;)
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[3:40] <nevodka> whew
[3:40] <nevodka> i used a voltage drop calculator
[3:40] <nevodka> if worst case the cables are 20AWG i could see a .1 rise in voltage
[3:40] <nevodka> by dropping the cords from 3ft to 1ft
[3:40] <nevodka> :D
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[3:51] <nevodka> wow it really was the cords
[3:51] <nevodka> i ended up finding a 1½ foot cable laying around
[3:52] <nevodka> the 4.95V idle is now 5.05V
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[3:54] <nevodka> and under load when it was falling under 4.75V, now its a constant 5V
[3:55] <nevodka> cables really make a difference :o
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[4:06] <nacelle> nice find
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[4:17] <IanTLopp> methuzla, I saw your note earlier and went looking for wpa_supplicant.conf. I ended up finding it on the second partition under "/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" but in the file explorer it shows a red X over the file. at the terminal, the file doesn't seem to exist for some odd reason. That being said, http://weworkweplay.com/play/automatically-connect-a-raspberry-pi-to-a-wifi-network/ this was the tutorial that I
[4:17] <IanTLopp> found that listed that file with regards to Raspbian, and I followed it, but it doesn't connect.
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[4:21] <IanTLopp> I should probably mention that my raspberry pi is a zero w...
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[4:27] <methuzla> what os?
[4:28] <methuzla> noobs or straight raspbian?
[4:28] <IanTLopp> straight raspbian
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[4:28] <IanTLopp> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=176147 seems to talk about the problem I'm having, but it doesn't say anything really different from the above tutorial
[4:29] <methuzla> and you've put the sd card in a computer other than the pi?
[4:29] <nevodka> IanTLopp, probably because wpa_supplicant.conf is owned by root
[4:29] <IanTLopp> at one point during bootup, I can see the raspberry pi attempt to connect, but it fails. I watch the router it's trying to connect to and it never even tries according to the router.
[4:29] <IanTLopp> methuzla, yes, that's how I installed raspbian. using Linux and the DD command.
[4:30] <methuzla> after the burn, the OS should've recognized the SD card and mounted two partitions
[4:30] <methuzla> one of these is called boot
[4:30] <methuzla> did you see that?
[4:30] <nevodka> IanTLopp, is there a reason you are trying to use wpa_supplicant over something like NetworkManager?
[4:31] <IanTLopp> and there's no wpa_supplicant.conf file in boot
[4:31] <methuzla> correct
[4:31] <methuzla> create one
[4:31] <IanTLopp> nevodka: because I'm trying to do a headless install
[4:31] <IanTLopp> methuzla, okay.
[4:31] <methuzla> it get's copied to the other partition at boot time
[4:31] <methuzla> one time only
[4:31] <methuzla> it will be gone after the boot, with contents copied over
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[4:32] <IanTLopp> okay, so the information from the above tutorial - put it in /boot/wpa_supplicant.conf then? (not in a folder called boot, just in the root folder of the boot partition)
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[4:33] <methuzla> hold. let me look at link.
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[4:33] <IanTLopp> okay
[4:33] <methuzla> but location will be same as where you should see config.txt (among other things)
[4:33] <IanTLopp> yeah, config.txt is where the new file wpa_supplicant.conf is
[4:34] <IanTLopp> or, you know, the other way around. wpa_supplicant.conf is now in the same location as config.txt
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[4:35] <methuzla> did you modify cmdline.txt or config.txt?
[4:35] <leftyfb> IanTLopp: ls -l /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[4:35] <IanTLopp> nevodka: sadly, I neglected a small thing like, bringing a keyboard. so now I'm stuck in a hotel with nothing better to do than install raspbian on this pi zero
[4:35] <IanTLopp> methuzla, no I did not.
[4:35] <leftyfb> IanTLopp: does it look like it might be a link to a file in a different location?
[4:35] <IanTLopp> I did however, modify the /etc/network/interfaces file
[4:35] <methuzla> meh. don't.
[4:36] <IanTLopp> so revert the changes I made?
[4:36] <methuzla> for now, yes.
[4:36] <IanTLopp> methuzla: okay.
[4:36] <IanTLopp> leftyfb, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 102 Apr 26 21:06 /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf is what it displays after the command you gave me.
[4:37] <leftyfb> IanTLopp: ok, no -> after the filename. So not a link
[4:37] <IanTLopp> methuzla, changes reverted in /etc/network/interfaces file
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[4:37] <IanTLopp> and wpa_supplicant.conf is created with the information from the above tutorial added to it. I can change that if needed.
[4:38] <methuzla> yes
[4:38] <methuzla> try this: https://pastebin.com/5ZrfUitA
[4:38] <methuzla> as a start
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[4:39] <methuzla> so /boot/wpa_supplicant.conf should have those contents
[4:39] <methuzla> replace with your info
[4:40] <IanTLopp> it already does, plus the lines: "proto" "key_mgmt" "pairwise" and "auth_alg"
[4:40] <IanTLopp> they're set to the values my network has.
[4:40] <IanTLopp> that's just from the tutorial. if you'd prefer I can remove them (since they're all default values anyway)
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[4:40] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.com/raw/1s26ndTX
[4:40] <leftyfb> that's what you want
[4:41] <IanTLopp> leftyfb, what are the top two lines in your pastebin about?
[4:41] <leftyfb> don't need anything more in your wpa_supplicant.conf
[4:41] <IanTLopp> ctrl_interface and update_config lines
[4:41] <methuzla> it's worked for me with just what i've shown
[4:41] <leftyfb> IanTLopp: those should be there
[4:41] <methuzla> on a pi zero w
[4:41] <leftyfb> yes
[4:41] <methuzla> but your network setup may require more
[4:41] <IanTLopp> should or should not, what are they?
[4:41] <methuzla> guess just try what you've got
[4:41] <leftyfb> should be there
[4:42] <IanTLopp> methuzla, my network setup is my phone with defaults across the board with the exception of the ssid and the password
[4:42] <IanTLopp> so I just need that wpa_supplicants.conf file, nothing more?
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[4:42] <methuzla> does the network your are connecting to have a dhcp server?
[4:42] <leftyfb> interfaces file
[4:42] <leftyfb> hold on
[4:43] <IanTLopp> methuzla, yes
[4:43] <methuzla> then should be all
[4:43] <leftyfb> no
[4:43] <leftyfb> interfaces edits
[4:43] <IanTLopp> leftyfb: methuzla said I don't need to modify the interfaces file.
[4:43] <leftyfb> you do
[4:43] <IanTLopp> okay
[4:43] <methuzla> leftyfb: are you on jessie?
[4:43] <leftyfb> methuzla: yes
[4:44] <IanTLopp> I downloaded the latest one on the site available as of yesterday.
[4:44] <leftyfb> IanTLopp: https://pastebin.com/raw/HXamvMEe
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[4:44] <methuzla> read the comments at the top of interfaces file
[4:45] <blocky> is there a way to install a custom kernel on a pi without moving the sdcard back and forth?
[4:45] <IanTLopp> methuzla: just did... what am I supposed to glean from it?
[4:46] <methuzla> lines 3-4 (basically, leave it alone)
[4:46] <leftyfb> IanTLopp: put what I gave you and you'll be fine
[4:46] <IanTLopp> leftyfb, there's a lot of stuff already in the interfaces file, should I remove everything in there? (all from a default install)
[4:46] <IanTLopp> so... the options are follow leftyfb or methuzla...
[4:46] <leftyfb> IanTLopp: remove the wlan0 section and replace it with what I gave you
[4:47] <leftyfb> IanTLopp: I have setup about a dozen pi zero's and about 3 times as many pi b+ 1's, 2's and 3's
[4:47] <methuzla> fwiw. did this last night with a zero w. never touched interfaces file.
[4:47] <leftyfb> wireless
[4:47] <IanTLopp> leftyfb: a pi zero W or just pi zeroes with wireless adapters?
[4:47] <leftyfb> methuzla: full raspbian or lite?
[4:47] <leftyfb> IanTLopp: both
[4:47] <methuzla> lite
[4:48] <leftyfb> IanTLopp: i've setup about 8 or 9 pi zero w's with these configs
[4:48] <IanTLopp> leftyfb, no offense, but I'm going to go with methuzla, then if it doesn't work, I'll add your edits then report back here.
[4:48] <leftyfb> others had usb wifi
[4:48] <IanTLopp> easier to add than revert.
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[4:51] <Crom> I haven't gotten any pi zero W's yet
[4:52] <IanTLopp> and without any interfaces edits, it gets to the dhcpcd line and counts up a timer
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[4:55] <IanTLopp> @#$%
[4:56] <IanTLopp> I screwed up the camera cable mount
[4:56] <IanTLopp> I was just trying to pull the black tab out so I could pull the ribbon cable out and it popped off entirely.
[4:56] <IanTLopp> now it won't stay back in (it doesn't appear to be damaged)
[4:57] <methuzla> the one on the zero is very delicate
[4:57] <methuzla> done the same thing
[4:58] <IanTLopp> and this is for a dashcam... I need the camera cable to work :(
[4:58] <blocky> what is the gpio voltage on rpi 2?
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[4:58] <methuzla> blocky: 3.3v
[4:58] <methuzla> same for all pis
[4:58] <blocky> methuzla: ty
[4:59] <blocky> gonna pick up usb uart
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[5:00] <IanTLopp> methuzla, on the zero that you accidentally pulled the tab out of, does it still work for you?
[5:00] <methuzla> yes
[5:01] <methuzla> but it's not solid
[5:01] <IanTLopp> crud... crud crud
[5:01] <blocky> heh, digikey even stocks a raspberry pi version of their ftdi cable
[5:01] <methuzla> you might want to consider some glue
[5:02] <blocky> oh it only has 3 wires
[5:03] <IanTLopp> leftyfb, https://pastebin.com/Ds4cR0wx this is my current interfaces file.. there's no "auto wlan0" line.
[5:04] <leftyfb> So add it in
[5:04] <IanTLopp> okay, thanks
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[5:07] <IanTLopp> leftyfb, your instructions worked :) thanks.
[5:08] <IanTLopp> methuzla, I think his instructions worked because I'm just running dhcp for now.
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[5:09] <IanTLopp> now to setup ssh on the pi zero w
[5:10] <methuzla> raspi-config or add file called 'ssh' in /boot and reboot
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[5:11] <IanTLopp> just a blank ssh document?
[5:11] <methuzla> yes
[5:11] <IanTLopp> err a blank text document titled "ssh
[5:11] <IanTLopp> okay
[5:11] <methuzla> also will be gone after boot
[5:12] <IanTLopp> okay
[5:12] <methuzla> they just made it so people can set things up through the /boot partition since it's FAT and shows up pretty much everywhere
[5:12] <IanTLopp> I'm assuming these are just files for headless installs to tell raspbian my intent then raspbian modifies the necessary files for me to do what I need?
[5:12] <IanTLopp> gotcha :)
[5:13] <methuzla> so your zero w didn't connect without modding interfaces file?
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[5:14] <IanTLopp> correct
[5:14] <IanTLopp> I think it has to do with the fact that I'm not running static ip on the raspi
[5:15] <methuzla> niether am i
[5:15] <IanTLopp> ergh... I'm getting the error "Connection reset by <MYIP> port 22"
[5:15] <methuzla> wonder what the diff is?
[5:15] <IanTLopp> I don't know.
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[5:18] <IanTLopp> ergh... why the @#$% am I getting connection reset :(
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[5:22] <IanTLopp> I don't need to ssh to it on a different port do I/
[5:22] <IanTLopp> ?
[5:23] <methuzla> no. not with defaults.
[5:23] <IanTLopp> methuzla, http://www.albertosarullo.com/blog/raspberry-pi-zero-w-headless-wifi-ssh-configuration-10-minutes this tutorial agrees with your setup routines... odd that I needed to modify interfaces
[5:23] <IanTLopp> but now I can't ssh :(
[5:24] <IanTLopp> initially it said, "ssh: connect to host <MYIP> port 22: Connection refused" before I added the SSH file to /boot, then after I did, I get "ssh: connect to host <MYIP> port 22: Connection refused"
[5:26] <methuzla> did you reboot?
[5:26] <IanTLopp> I also get the same error if I run "ssh pi@raspberrypi.local"
[5:26] <IanTLopp> yes, got the error before and after the reboot.
[5:26] <IanTLopp> or rather, the unplug, then replug
[5:26] <IanTLopp> as I have no keyboard, I can't type any commands to reboot
[5:26] <methuzla> oh yeah
[5:26] <methuzla> acting like the server isn't running
[5:26] <methuzla> try again?
[5:27] <IanTLopp> same result
[5:27] <IanTLopp> I'll "reboot" again
[5:28] <methuzla> IanTLopp: your last link is what i've done. except used dd instead of etcher.
[5:28] <IanTLopp> methuzla, and that didn't let me connect to wifi... I had to modify the interfaces file as well
[5:28] <IanTLopp> now it connects, but I can't get ssh to connect
[5:28] <IanTLopp> pings work, just can't connect
[5:29] <IanTLopp> I can even ping raspberrypi.local and it works
[5:29] <IanTLopp> just not ssh
[5:29] <methuzla> how are you creating the file?
[5:29] <IanTLopp> the ssh file?
[5:29] <methuzla> yeah
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[5:30] <IanTLopp> right click in Thunar (the oh so wonderful file explorer in GalliumOS - a chromebook offshoot of Debian), then Create Document -> Empty File
[5:30] <IanTLopp> and name it ssh
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[5:30] <IanTLopp> and once I did that, the output changed from "connection refused" to "connection reset"
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[5:32] <IanTLopp> wait... I can connect the pi directly to a computer through the power port?
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[5:33] <IanTLopp> or... wait.. I might be being stupid
[5:33] <IanTLopp> https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/5ydf8d/cant_ssh_into_newly_flashed_pi_zero_w/ says to connect a usb micro cable to the data port on the pi zero to a usb port on the pc
[5:33] <IanTLopp> still need to provide power separately
[5:34] <IanTLopp> or maybe not?
[5:35] <methuzla> no.
[5:36] <IanTLopp> I have a usb cable connected from the computer to the usb port on the pi zero w (not the pwr port) and it powers on, I can ping it.. but still can't ssh in :(
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[5:38] <IanTLopp> on a completely unrelated note, Ambilight is AWESOME!
[5:38] <IanTLopp> gotta do that next
[5:38] <IanTLopp> anyway, back on topic
[5:38] <IanTLopp> no SSH for me :(
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[5:39] <ShorTie> got the ssh file ??
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[5:40] <IanTLopp> ShorTie: yes I created the ssh file, it's gone now as I've inserted the card and booted several times
[5:41] <IanTLopp> it even went from giving me an error of Connection refused to Connection Reset
[5:41] <IanTLopp> before and after adding the ssh file
[5:41] <adempus> I'm making a rest api that responds to queries with .png image files. What is the best language/technologies to use on the Pi for this?
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[5:42] <ShorTie> it takes a few for it to come up some times
[5:42] <IanTLopp> a few what?
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[5:42] <ShorTie> minutes
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[5:44] <IanTLopp> okay... booting up now, and I'll try it over the course of say, 5 minutes
[5:44] <ShorTie> is the file there ??
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[5:44] <IanTLopp> was there.. isn't needed after the first boot
[5:44] <CoJaBo> I guess I can't use hdmi anymore :/
[5:44] <IanTLopp> I put the file on the SD card, then booted it.
[5:45] <IanTLopp> CoJaBo: used a pitft?
[5:45] <CoJaBo> ..?
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[5:45] <IanTLopp> when I installed a PiTFT on my pi, hdmi was... not really functional
[5:45] <IanTLopp> I was guessing.
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[5:45] <CoJaBo> No; just using it as a mediacenter
[5:46] <IanTLopp> oh... what happened?
[5:46] <CoJaBo> I've replaced the pi, the SDcard, the psu, all cables, tried every possible OS and version, including ones that surely worked before. Still image corruption.
[5:46] <IanTLopp> yeeesh
[5:46] <CoJaBo> TV works fine with any other device tho
[5:47] <CoJaBo> And it previously worked fine with the pi; only change was that I updated one day
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[5:49] <IanTLopp> so wait, you've replaced the PI, so you've used 2 different raspberry pi's and HDMI output on both was corrupted connected to your TV?
[5:49] <CoJaBo> IanTLopp: Yes
[5:49] <IanTLopp> and you said other devices connected through the same HDMI port on that TV work?
[5:49] <CoJaBo> Yep :/
[5:49] <IanTLopp> using the same HDMI cable?
[5:50] <CoJaBo> I've tried all the cables
[5:50] <CoJaBo> The same cables work fine thru other devices too
[5:51] <IanTLopp> but both your raspberry pi's do not work.. there's got to be some commonality.. two raspberry pi's having the same HDMI issue at the same time is too high.
[5:51] <IanTLopp> too high a coincidence, I mean
[5:51] <CoJaBo> I tried 3 of them
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[5:51] <IanTLopp> ShorTie, oh, and still getting the same error "Connection reset by <MYIP> port 22"
[5:52] <IanTLopp> the three different pi's had different SD cards, i.e. different OS's running on each?
[5:52] <IanTLopp> or at least different copies of the OS on each
[5:53] <IanTLopp> hmm... even if I "sudo ssh" I get the same error :(
[5:54] <CoJaBo> IanTLopp: Probably about a half dozen different cards, running slightly more than that number of OS versions. OSMC also worked once, but I corrupted the card debugging it and the reinstall now has the image corruption too
[5:55] <CoJaBo> At this point, I really just need a device other than a pi or something, but it still needs to be cheap :/
[5:55] <IanTLopp> when you say image corruption... the screen shows visual image corruption? or are you saying that the cards "image" is corrupted?
[5:55] <IanTLopp> there's a common thread somewhere... no need to give up.
[5:55] <CoJaBo> The screen
[5:55] <IanTLopp> all three pi's didn't go dead at the same time. the odds of that are insane.
[5:56] <CoJaBo> It's something with the software; but I have no idea how to find the working version again
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[5:56] <IanTLopp> what software/os are you running?
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[5:56] <CoJaBo> I don't know what the working one was; currently running the oldest Raspian that'll run on the 2B
[5:57] <CoJaBo> I could swear it was that one. Wtf.
[5:58] <IanTLopp> there's no reason that any other specific one would have a problem.. more specifically, if ONE image had the problem, most, if not all of the other images should not have the problem.
[5:58] <IanTLopp> do you have an old SD card with a version of raspbian that you haven't recently updated?
[5:59] <CoJaBo> Nope :/
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[5:59] <IanTLopp> okay, what are you using/how are you installing raspbian?
[5:59] <IanTLopp> and is it Raspian Lite or Raspbian with Pixel?
[5:59] <CoJaBo> From the zipped image; lite version, i think
[6:00] <IanTLopp> I mean, are you installing it via Noobs, or direct, and are you installing it via windows, linux, or macos?
[6:01] <IanTLopp> and ShorTie, still no SSH
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[6:02] <CoJaBo> Linux; using dd. Also tried copying the files over to the partition. No change either way.
[6:03] <IanTLopp> I wouldn't recommend copying the files... dd is the way to go.. so let's take this one step at a time.
[6:03] <IanTLopp> do you have an SD card ready to work with?
[6:03] <CoJaBo> Yeh, I'd hoped it would be faster than backing up everything on the card; oddly, it wasn't
[6:04] <IanTLopp> and you have a fresh copy of Raspbian Lite Jessie?
[6:04] <IanTLopp> err Raspbian Jessie Lite?
[6:04] <CoJaBo> several
[6:05] <IanTLopp> let's go with the latest one you've got... have you verified the SHA-1?
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[6:06] <CoJaBo> No way I got that many bad downloads lol
[6:06] <IanTLopp> you never know
[6:06] <IanTLopp> it could be due to a bad connection between you and that server and the last part of the file always fails - it's happened to me... at least in part
[6:06] <CoJaBo> hash is fine
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[6:07] <IanTLopp> okay, so do you know the name of your SD card as per linux? i.e. like /dev/sdb or whatever?
[6:08] <CoJaBo> It's different every time, because reasons.
[6:09] <IanTLopp> that's fine - let's take the current sd card. fdisk -l should make it pretty easy to see what the name of the device is.
[6:09] <IanTLopp> usually the last in the list (as per my experience)
[6:09] <CoJaBo> I've written the images a zillion times already
[6:09] <CoJaBo> Even tried doing it from a different computer to make sure the card reader wasn't effed
[6:10] <IanTLopp> I understand... I'm going through step by step in the off chance there's a step that you're missing for whatever silly reason, or if there's just something not being typed correctly, or whatever
[6:10] <IanTLopp> I've done the same thing as you trying to get other things working, and it took someone else pointing out a really basic step I kept just ignoring for whatever reason to finally fix my problem.
[6:11] <CoJaBo> Yeh, but usually that'd result in a not-working system, not one broken in the exact same way everytime
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[6:11] <torchic_> CoJaBo: like am i to gorgis :<
[6:12] <IanTLopp> okay, then let's say you're doing "dd bs=4M if=2017-04-10-raspbian-jessie.img of=/dev/sdb1" and it seems to work until you try to boot the system. that "1" in /dev/sdb1 will foul everything up.
[6:12] <IanTLopp> just trying to help
[6:12] <adempus> I'm making a rest api that responds to queries with .png image files. What is the best language/technologies to use on the Pi for this?
[6:13] <CoJaBo> torchic_: ..gorgis?
[6:13] <adempus> Can rpi run Spring MVC?
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[6:20] <sjk> adempus: there'd be so many options...
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[6:21] <adempus> sjk: what's the best option?
[6:21] <adempus> for the task
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[6:23] <IanTLopp> adempus, that would depend upon your skill, what libraries you're familiar with, and the exact nature of what you're doing... I think what sjk is saying is that so many options means, take your pick
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[6:28] <Crom> anyone running linuxcnc on their rpi3?
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[6:29] <adempus> I know Java pretty well, and can handle the unfamiliar. I just need a good framework if you know of any.
[6:29] <IanTLopp> adempus: I don't, I was just interpreting sjk's statement.
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[6:31] <Crom> hmm windows 10 IOT on the rpi3 doesn't support printing...
[6:31] <adempus> lol
[6:32] <Sonny_Jim> Does it do anything useful?
[6:33] <Crom> been trying for almost a year to get samba printing to work for my wifes windows 10 laptop
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[6:34] <Sonny_Jim> Using CUPS?
[6:34] <Crom> trying not to...
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[6:36] <Sonny_Jim> Use CUPS, it's what it's there for and it's not that hard to setup
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[6:49] <HrdwrBoB> cups is awful
[6:50] <HrdwrBoB> but it's not cups fault per se
[6:50] <HrdwrBoB> printing is awful everywhere
[6:50] <HrdwrBoB> ask anyone whos ever implemented a printing system
[6:50] <HrdwrBoB> .. or printed anything :)
[6:51] <oq> what you do is just buy a printer thats designed to be networked
[6:51] <Crom> it's dead... HP CLJ 8500 and 4500
[6:52] <Crom> my ethernet print server died
[6:52] <Crom> my jetdirect died.... it was 25 years old... hmmm I wonder why
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[6:55] <Crom> I have a 10year old HPLJ1320... parallel or USB...
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[7:01] <IanTLopp> okay, got ssh working! mwahahahaha
[7:01] <IanTLopp> was a simple process of redoing EVERYTHING!!
[7:01] <IanTLopp> heh
[7:03] <Crom> on your /etc/sudoers file on the %sudo line at the last ALL change it to NOPASSWD:ALL if you at home behind a masquerading router
[7:06] <Crom> then on each machine mkdir -p ~/.ssh ; chmod 700 ~/.ssh; ssh-keygen -t rsa; for i in every machine on your network; do cat .ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh user@$i "mkdir -p .ssh; chmod 700 .ssh; cat - >> .ssh/authorized_keys"; done
[7:07] <ColonelPanic> https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=67F4A-VLxKw Streaming. Raspberry pi related
[7:07] <Crom> on the ssh-keygen -t rsa your going to hit enter 3 times
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[7:08] <Crom> once you do that on all you machines you can ssh from one to another without typing in a password
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[7:08] <Crom> and when you sudo to do something no password either
[7:08] <IanTLopp> eh, I don't mind the password
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[7:11] <Crom> meh just bought this http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Jetdirect-EX-Plus3-PN-J2593A-Parallel-Ethernet-Print-server-WITH-Power-Supply-/152048527683
[7:11] <Crom> now I don't have to fix the usb port again
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[7:13] <Crom> gotta find a printer cable...
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[7:27] <blocky> anyone know why i'm not getting boot messages over uart on raspbian? i know the serial port works because i can login with it after the system is booted
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[7:38] <Sonny_Jim> On the Pi3, the behaviour was changed blocky
[7:38] <Sonny_Jim> You have to add something to cmdline.txt now
[7:39] <Sonny_Jim> sorry, config.txt
[7:39] <Sonny_Jim> enable_uart=1
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[8:03] <blocky> hmm still doesn't seem to show any messages during boot
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[8:03] <Sonny_Jim> blocky: Is it a Pi3?
[8:03] <Sonny_Jim> Relevant forum post: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=141195
[8:04] <blocky> no, 2b i think..
[8:04] <Sonny_Jim> Should be silkscreened on the board
[8:04] <blocky> running raspbian from a few months ago
[8:04] <Sonny_Jim> Also, Pi2 has a 'clicky' SD slot whereas the 3 is just push in/pull out
[8:04] <Sonny_Jim> Might be worth updating to the latest kernel though
[8:05] <blocky> Just says raspberry pi (c) 2011.12
[8:05] <NedScott> hmm, I think MCM Electronics has eaten my order for a Pi 3 compute module
[8:05] <NedScott> it's supposed to be on backorder, but every time the counter gets close it resets. So it will say "16 days till we have stock" and then next week it will be back up to 30
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[8:07] <blocky> so i just update raspberrypi-bootloader to get the latest kernel
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[8:09] <blocky> ?
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[8:15] <Sonny_Jim> Still no luck blocky?
[8:15] <Sonny_Jim> Also, I believe the kernel package is raspberrypi-kernel
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[8:25] <blocky> yeah I updated the kernel and same problem
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[8:57] <IanTLopp> what's the password for the superuser on raspbian?
[8:57] <IanTLopp> i'm trying to get into root and just doing a sudo cd /root isn't working
[8:57] <IanTLopp> so I try su and it asks for a password, and the password for user pi doesn't work.
[8:58] <humbot> try sudo -i
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[9:02] <High_Priest> IanTLopp, you can always sudo passwd root
[9:03] <IanTLopp> humbot's suggestion worked :)(
[9:03] <IanTLopp> :)
[9:03] <mnemonic> sudo bash
[9:05] <IanTLopp> damn... I'm trying to start the picamera app to show it real time and record onto the SD card... I'm following the tutorial http://pidashcam.blogspot.nl/2015/03/raspbian-setup-guide.html
[9:05] <IanTLopp> and when I reboot, it just goes back to the login prompt
[9:06] <IanTLopp> any way to start the app from ssh and have it show through HDMI?
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[9:12] <rpd_> pwd
[9:13] <rpd_> whoops, wrong window!
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[9:24] <brainzap> freenode.org/raspberrypi
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[9:48] <this_self> gordonDrogon, Hi again:) hmm. `pi@raspberrypi:~ $ man gpio
[9:48] <this_self> No manual entry for gpio
[9:48] <this_self> See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.`. Where I can find docs for gpio utility?
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[9:49] <this_self> I have raspbian distributive downloaded from official raspberry site.
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[9:50] <Sonny_Jim> this_self: gpio -h is a start
[9:51] <Sonny_Jim> The rest of the info is available here:
[9:51] <Sonny_Jim> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/the-gpio-utility/
[9:51] <this_self> this information is too small.
[9:51] <this_self> no information about pwm-bal/pwm-ms. How to use it. and other...
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[10:02] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
[10:02] <Sonny_Jim> Can't please everybody
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[10:21] <newbie123> If I download youtube-dl directly from https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ will it work ?
[10:21] <newbie123> The installed one is outdated
[10:21] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah I had to use the github one
[10:21] <newbie123> Okay/Thanks
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[12:28] <plop6> hi
[12:28] <plop6> does anyone using berryboot ?
[12:30] <petn-randall> plop6: Try asking your real question, and then people while respond if they know the answer.
[12:32] <plop6> petn-randall: i know
[12:32] <plop6> thanks anyway ;)
[12:34] <plop6> just wanted to know if some people was using it
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[12:38] <ShorTie> i did, then i bought more sdcards
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[12:41] <Sonny_Jim> _ _
[12:41] <Sonny_Jim> | \ | | ___
[12:41] <Sonny_Jim> | \| |/ _ \
[12:41] <Sonny_Jim> | |\ | (_) |
[12:41] <Sonny_Jim> |_| \_|\___/
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[12:41] <Sonny_Jim>
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[12:41] <Sonny_Jim> erk
[12:41] <ShorTie> flooder
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[12:42] <abarlam> Hey guys. So I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but basically I bought the 64x32 RGB LED matrix and plan on hooking it up to a Pi Zero W. I want to make a portable LED sign, so my intention is to connect the LED board to a USB battery pack. I found the 2.1mm screw jack tube I need, but I was curious if anyone knows whether I need type n or type m connector to attach this this? I found a startech 2.1mm -> usb male
[12:43] <abarlam> but it says type N or M :/
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[12:43] <abarlam> This is the screwjack tube I found - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003MHUN7S/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1QUHU5SP0WQFD
[12:44] <abarlam> And this is the cable I was going to use, but it says n or m - https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-USB-Type-Barrel-Cable/dp/B009C3CJG4/ref=pd_sim_23_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B009C3CJG4&pd_rd_r=H71AH2CZ99MKXS3X8V7A&pd_rd_w=voDCx&pd_rd_wg=yBPUb&psc=1&refRID=H71AH2CZ99MKXS3X8V7A
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[13:06] <BurtyB> abarlam, size M (not Type M as it says on the image of the packet) just means it's 5.5mm / 2.1mm so that looks OK to me
[13:07] <BurtyB> err I mean it says "size m" on the packet
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[13:52] <brainzap> got any cool new hardware?
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[13:53] <Lartza> I got the official rpi power supply, is that cool? :(
[13:53] <Lartza> :D
[13:53] <brainzap> no, you are not cool
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[13:54] <brainzap> you are ice cool (☞゚ヮ゚)☞ heyo!
[13:55] <Lartza> I did grab some eneloop pro's recently but haven't put them to any real use yet
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[13:57] <brainzap> I got some Broadlink RM Mini, gonna try to control my dumm TV and stereo
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[14:10] <amigojapan_bnc> hi, I have the RPI III with official 7 inch touchscreen, and this battery http://amzn.asia/dADJyjx but soemtimes it decided not to boot, I guess it is underpowered, but it really seems to be pretty random when it does not want to boot, usually it boots fine :(
[14:11] <polprog> check the system log
[14:11] <amigojapan_bnc> polprog: I doubt anything will be on the system log since it does not even turn on hte LEDs when it decides not to boot
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[14:12] <polprog> hmm. how do you tell it to boot? hooking up the power?
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[14:12] <amigojapan_bnc> polprog: yes, I hook up the power, and hte batterty has a power button, when I press it, it usually turns on the RPI and then has no problems later
[14:13] <polprog> id look closer at that battery. do you have a multimeter?
[14:13] <amigojapan_bnc> polprog: not in my house now…
[14:13] <amigojapan_bnc> I have one in another place
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[14:14] <polprog> does that battery have somr kind of a led indicator? i susbect that its faulty
[14:14] <amigojapan_bnc> polprog: yeah, it has 4 LEDs thay ligh up when it turns on
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[14:16] <amigojapan_bnc> polprog: weird, I just tried it now, and it seemed not to boot on one of hte USB outputs, and then I switched it to the other one, and it booted, maybe one of hte sockets is faulty
[14:16] <amigojapan_bnc> or maybe my cable
[14:17] <polprog> is it a thick wire cable? its common that cheap cables cause problems
[14:17] <polprog> here
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[14:17] <amigojapan_bnc> polprog: it looks pretty thin
[14:18] <amigojapan_bnc> I will try with anotehr cable
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[14:20] <amigojapan_bnc> polprog: it did nto work at all with one cable, and worked immedietly with yet another cable, let me try shutting down and booting up with the new cable many times
[14:21] <polprog> good luck. its probably the cable
[14:21] <amigojapan_bnc> ty polprog
[14:21] <polprog> :)
[14:23] <amigojapan_bnc> polprog: no, now it wont boot with the other cable, and it seems to always boot with the power supply, so I think something is wrong with the battery
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[14:25] <polprog> may be the battery. id check it around with a meter
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[14:26] <amigojapan_bnc> polprog: ok, it seems that it boots every time after it was booted with the power supply, but not if you disconnect the battery and plug it in again, I guess the RPI or the touchscreen may have some kind of capacitor that gets discharged or something like that
[14:27] <amigojapan_bnc> pulls a lot of power at boot time or something like that
[14:28] <polprog> im not familiat with the touchscreen
[14:28] <amigojapan_bnc> alright
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[14:42] <tsglove> amigojapan_bnc, remove the touchscreen... and re-test with battery, and re-test with powersupply. If the problem goes away, you have narrowed it down to touchscreen
[14:42] <tsglove> that's usually how I do it
[14:43] <amigojapan_bnc> ok tsglove but since I put the official case on it, it is pretty hard to remove hte touchscreen, but I will do it
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[14:46] <amigojapan_bnc> tsglove: I guess I can easily remove the power jumpers from the screen since teh case opens from the back,. I will try that next time it does not boot
[14:47] <tsglove> amigojapan_bnc, yeah... that's usually what I do when I am troubleshooting... go to "bare basic"... then start adding stuff.
[14:47] <amigojapan_bnc> ok, ty tsglove , I will try that
[14:47] <tsglove> Sometimes it takes time, yet... it's all part of the process. As my co-worker says: Remember to have fun!
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[14:48] <amigojapan_bnc> tsglove: somehow I suspect that if I boot up with just the RPI it will boot and then maybe I can hook up the display and there might be no problem… which means I could add a switch that disables the display at first and then turns it on once the RPI has started booting
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[14:49] <tsglove> amigojapan_bnc, true, you could do that... yet seems, odd to be doing it. Is the battery specifically for the rpi+lcd?
[14:50] <amigojapan_bnc> no tsglove
[14:50] <tsglove> If not, can you cobble up a higher rating battery?
[14:50] <tsglove> even if its temporary, from non-rechargable batteries... something you can test against?
[14:50] <amigojapan_bnc> tsglove: but it is supposed to have enough in the specs, unless I made a mitake
[14:50] <tsglove> maybe you battery pack is unable to supply enough juice at initial boot time... I don't know. Just throwing ideas.
[14:50] <amigojapan_bnc> ty
[14:51] <amigojapan_bnc> yeah, I suspect that too
[14:51] <amigojapan_bnc> tsglove: I dont think there is an official battery, as far as I know
[14:53] <amigojapan_bnc> this battery also had pretty good specs, assumming they are real, they can actually keep the RPI +touchscreen running RetroPie continuasly for over 4 hours…. only has trouble at boot time
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[14:55] <tsglove> amigojapan_bnc, yeah... it should work. Idea: hook up a multimeter to the positive/negative of the rpi. Check the voltage... then boot the rpi to see if it drops considerably.
[14:55] <tsglove> an oscilloscope would be better, yet not sure if you have one. I have been planning on buying one for about 4 years, and I always put it off
[14:55] <amigojapan_bnc> ok tsglove , I will need to go pick up my mutimeter which I left at work, so not today
[14:55] <amigojapan_bnc> I have no oscilloscope
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[14:56] <amigojapan_bnc> tsglove: I think it is a good thing you put it off, maybe you can save much money by using something lilke a box0
[14:56] <tsglove> yeah... it's on the Wishlist then =)
[14:57] <tsglove> box0?
[14:57] <amigojapan_bnc> tsglove: https://hackaday.io/project/11074-box0
[14:57] <amigojapan_bnc> tsglove: it is a cheap osillosocp e you simulate by softwarer, and add that box which has the analogue input things
[14:57] <tsglove> ah this is nice!
[14:58] <amigojapan_bnc> tsglove: not sure how you go about buyiung one tho
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[14:59] <tsglove> from https://www.madresistor.com/box0/ they say --> Crowdfunding soon!
[14:59] <tsglove> so I think they're still in Beta
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[15:00] <amigojapan_bnc> tsglove: ok, I suggest you still put it off, cause this may be a thing
[15:00] <tsglove> amigojapan_bnc, yeah... there are a couple of small oscilloscopes like that I have seen. Obviously no replacement for a "big-guns" oscilloscope, yet if it's sub-$100, it will fill a niche
[15:01] <amigojapan_bnc> tsglove: I once saw a novelty oscilloscope you plug by USB for like 20USD at Akihabara, alsoa software one…
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[15:02] <tsglove> exactly! They're precision/resolution/timing/etc won't be as good as a full oscilloscope, yet it can work for lots of stuff.
[15:02] <tsglove> Plus I would be happy taking a sub-$100 scope on-site to some of my projects... versus a 400-500$ unit
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[15:02] <amigojapan_bnc> tsglove: ah, I see, well, I am really a software person, so I have not yet found much use for an osilloscope eventho I have done many arduino projects…. I would not be sure how to use it
[15:04] <amigojapan_bnc> tsglove: there is also a software oscilloscope project for arduino, but I had a discussion with the box0 people and it seems the sample rate of the arduino is super low compared to the box0
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[15:04] <tsglove> Oh yeah... I am not expert... yet that is why I want one! So I can play with new toys! Which interestingly, is my argument for making money. Not to buy a 200 ft yatch... more so I can buy all these toys and *learn*.
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[15:06] <amigojapan_bnc> tsglove: it does not look professinal at all, but there is this project and it would be extremly cheap for you, if you just want to play around http://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-Oscilloscope-poor-mans-Oscilloscope/
[15:07] <tsglove> nice... going to check that one out amigojapan_bnc !
[15:07] <amigojapan_bnc> :)
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[16:09] <Psi-Jack> heh
[16:09] <Psi-Jack> poor man's oscilloscope. Fun projects.
[16:13] <tsglove> yar!
[16:13] <tsglove> It's quiet in here.
[16:13] <Psi-Jack> Too quiet.
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> just means everyones busy.
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> or at lunch.
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[16:21] <Psi-Jack> Lunch? it's not even noon yet. :)
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> afternoon here.
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> and it's always lunchtime somewhere....
[16:27] <Lartza> I'm thinking of eating lunch and it's half past five here :P
[16:27] <Lartza> Fact checks out
[16:27] <Psi-Jack> It's also always morning somewhere.
[16:28] <Psi-Jack> :)
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[16:32] <petn-randall> That why there's (ugt)
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[16:33] <petn-randall> You just say "morning! (ugt)" when you join, and "good night (ugt)" when you leave.
[16:33] <petn-randall> "Universal greeting time" for the unitiated. :D
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[16:38] <Lartza> Merry christmas (ugt)
[16:38] <Lartza> Or you just, say good morning and people realize there are timezones in the world? :P
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[16:39] <polprog> it's funny then
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[16:39] <polprog> "gnight!" "it's 7 am here"
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[16:42] <petn-randall> Well, ever since the inception of IRC people will discuss this whenever someone says "morning!" in a channel. From "It's not morning here, wow" to "I didn't know you live in the Hawaii timezone" to ...
[16:43] <petn-randall> :D
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[16:43] <polprog> exactly! :D
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[16:43] <Sonny_Jim> Lies
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[16:46] <Chillum> petn-randall: inception of IRC, is that like when you have an IRC channel in an IRC channel?
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[16:46] <Habbie> IRC is older than that use of the word inception ;)
[16:46] <petn-randall> Chillum: It's when you fuck with other people's minds, just like in the movie.
[16:47] <Chillum> I don't get why people call that movie complicated. It is a dream within a dream, iterate recursively 3 times
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[16:48] <tsglove> 3 times? with zero-index? orrr... ?
[16:48] <tsglove> i need a map
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[16:51] <petn-randall> The fact that is was 4 times shows that not all people grasped the movie ... ;)
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[16:53] <Chillum> the first time, plus 3 more times
[16:53] <petn-randall> level 4 was where the protagonist and saito ended up growing old, the limbo
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[17:00] <brianx> \o
[17:00] <polprog> o/
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[17:00] <brianx> hey polprog, how's it hangin?
[17:01] <polprog> i finally finished the week. tomorrow is really light
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[17:02] <Chillum> it was just a loose story to justify eye candy
[17:02] <Chillum> sort of story one might come up with one day after school
[17:02] <polprog> i need to watch that movie again
[17:02] <brianx> done is a good thing. lots to do here still. wifey has basically handed off the job of moving to me.
[17:03] <polprog> moving?
[17:03] <brianx> yeah, just down the state. only a few hundred miles.
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[17:04] <polprog> nice.
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[17:04] <irisl> Is pixel, a resource hog verse say, lxde, xcde etc..
[17:04] <irisl> I haven't tried to install arch due not having a pc
[17:04] <brianx> yeah. it's far enough that the weather is better.
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[17:05] <brianx> irisl: pixel is a bit more hog. it's especially bad when used over vnc.
[17:06] <brianx> irisl: there are finally blogs out there with directions for removing it if you got an image with it, or accidentally installed it.
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[17:14] <polprog> irisl: i'd say go for lxde or xfce if you wanna have a light and aesthetic desktop
[17:14] <polprog> or twm if you want it to be a e s t h e t i c
[17:15] <polprog> :^)
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[17:20] <irisl> I'm trying to think of another os to put on it just can't pick one.
[17:20] <irisl> Raspbian is what I know just don't like bloat.
[17:21] <polprog> go with arch then... it's light and quite easy to install
[17:21] <brianx> raspbian is the main os for it. pixel can be removed.
[17:22] <Lartza> Debian is still more bloated than some other distros ;)
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[17:22] <polprog> i know some people run centos, but that may be hardcore :) i never ran centos on anything
[17:23] <irisl> Lol, I'll try arch
[17:23] <polprog> it's quite easy, easier than installing it on a PC
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[17:39] <gordonDrogon> petn-randall, keep it family friendly please. Re-read the channel rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz
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[17:48] <Psi-Jack> polprog: I actually primarily run CentOS on everything, except the Pi so far.
[17:48] <Psi-Jack> That may change of course. :)
[17:48] <Psi-Jack> Running CentOS on the Pi, that is.
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[17:49] <polprog> Psi-Jack: how different is it from the other distros? (or is it a separate sys, i dont remember)
[17:49] <Psi-Jack> I mean.. It's Linux. It uses the superior packaging format and repository manager, rpm and yum/(soon-dnf).
[17:50] <polprog> ok, looks fine
[17:50] <petn-randall> gordonDrogon: Noted. And sorry about that.
[17:50] <polprog> it's on the list-of-distros-to-set-up-on-spare-computers
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[17:50] <gordonDrogon> cheers.
[17:51] <polprog> it will probably go on the rocky 478 industrial computer when i put it back together
[17:51] <oq> petn-randall: he has naughty words on his highlight list
[17:52] <methuzla> is there a way to set hostname by editting something in /boot?
[17:52] <polprog> it's in /etc/hostname
[17:52] <methuzla> similar to enabling ssh and configuring network
[17:52] * petn-randall wonders if said person gets an hilight when I say ********.
[17:52] <polprog> is it now possible to enable ssh via /boot?
[17:52] <polprog> petn-randall: hunter2
[17:52] <Psi-Jack> oq: Nah. he just pays attention, which I have to say is quite nice to see. Back in ##linux, it's practically anarchy.
[17:53] <methuzla> polprog: yes. just add blank file.
[17:53] <oq> Psi-Jack: no, he actually has it on his highlight list
[17:53] <Psi-Jack> That too. :)
[17:53] <oq> if it was me I would just bot it.....
[17:53] <methuzla> polprog: can also have a wpa_supplicant.conf file in /boot and it will get copied over at boot time
[17:53] <polprog> oh. guess i need to refresh my knowledge :P everybody here has pi3/pi0 and im still on model B+
[17:54] <Psi-Jack> I have an RPi3 and RPiZW
[17:54] <oq> polprog: it changed because they started turning off ssh by default and they wanted a way for headless installs to still work
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> I have at least one of most Pi versions.
[17:54] <polprog> oq: can you also provide a list of trusted keys that way?
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> I don't have the Zero 1.1 though - the pre-wi-fi one with the camera socket.
[17:55] <oq> polprog: no, it's a bit of a hack, it's not a proper thing
[17:55] <polprog> oq: TIL, tyvm
[17:55] <oq> it just looks for an empty file called ssh
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[17:56] <methuzla> aim is for headless config and using only what's in /boot
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[17:59] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I'm likely to use my RPiZW for building camera systems for my security system.
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[18:00] <redrabbit> i'm using one for that
[18:00] <redrabbit> works good
[18:00] <Psi-Jack> I see it working better on an RPiZW than on an ESP8266 or ESP32
[18:00] <Psi-Jack> But, who knows. :)
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[18:00] <petn-randall> Psi-Jack: You won't get far with swearing in #debian, either. Which I find a good thing in general.
[18:01] <redrabbit> esp can be used to rig the house with sensors / pir detectors
[18:01] <polprog> esp is a microcontroller and rpi is a computer. it's a whole different league of electronics
[18:01] <Psi-Jack> redrabbit: And garage door controllers. :)
[18:01] <polprog> esp to pi is like 74xx series to esp
[18:02] <redrabbit> im gonna add a wire to the door handle so when someone touches it i get a signal
[18:02] <Psi-Jack> redrabbit: Which I'm finally nearly done with BTW. Today arrives my n-MOSFETs. Tomorrow arrives my 3.3V/5V level converter modules. :)
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[18:02] <polprog> redrabbit: make sure it's not a live wire
[18:02] <redrabbit> lol
[18:02] <Psi-Jack> And make sure it activates the ceiling-mounted minigun auto-aiming system, just in case. :)
[18:03] <redrabbit> that'd be a low tech solution to get a signal
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[18:04] <Psi-Jack> What would be even cooler is to make the door knob handle itself auto-image your fingerprints. :)
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[18:04] <redrabbit> i thought about small fireworks inside a semi closed space to avoid any fire hazard
[18:04] <redrabbit> just for the noise
[18:04] <redrabbit> ^^
[18:05] <Psi-Jack> Hehe. I'm going to be putting Piezo buzzers in every room of the house for when the alarm actually goes off.
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[18:05] <redrabbit> got to find a airhorn
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[18:05] <IT_Sean> train horn
[18:06] <polprog> i was about to say that
[18:06] <redrabbit> to put near the cat's food; so when the bullies cats try to steal, horn dawg
[18:06] <polprog> train horns rock
[18:06] <Psi-Jack> Install a train horn in your Honda Civic. :)
[18:06] <IT_Sean> buddy of mine had a locomotive horn on an mx5. it was HILARIOUS.
[18:06] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[18:07] <polprog> Psi-Jack: IT_Sean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDORB3vR8s
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[18:08] <polprog> bzzzzz...
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[18:10] <Psi-Jack> heh
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[18:16] <irisl> I have a truck horn on my stanced out s2000
[18:16] <irisl> It's pretty cute driving by a diesel truck lol
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[18:17] <polprog> honda s2000 with a truck horn? lol
[18:17] <GenteelBen> I wonder what it'd take to have a truck horn installed in your butt.
[18:17] <irisl> It's to die for
[18:17] <GenteelBen> Every time you farted you'd take out your own ear drums.
[18:18] <irisl> Lmao
[18:18] <GenteelBen> Mid/late 90s dank: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/a_dohHZbO2k/maxresdefault.jpg
[18:18] <polprog> how much fuel does that s2000 take per 100miles/100km?
[18:18] <GenteelBen> Srs question, what's with the wheel?
[18:19] <irisl> So what OS do most of you run on your pi
[18:19] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[18:19] <Psi-Jack> It'd be funny as heck to add a train horn to my wife's Smart fourTwo. :)
[18:19] <AshIndigo> im running raspbian on both of my pis
[18:19] <irisl> pixel?
[18:19] <polprog> mostly raspbian, but right now only one of the Pis is in use, and that one runs arch
[18:20] <polprog> Psi-Jack: especially if it's a surprise for her
[18:20] <Psi-Jack> LOL
[18:20] <AshIndigo> yeah
[18:20] <Psi-Jack> Well, she's out of the country at the moment. :)
[18:20] <AshIndigo> i have a pi2 and 3
[18:20] <irisl> polprog: I run a program on hondata/mine ecu firmware
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[18:20] <polprog> i lost one Pi once. i never found it
[18:20] <oq> Psi-Jack: it it one of the electric ones?
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[18:21] <polprog> i need to count mine
[18:21] <oq> polprog: maybe someone ate it
[18:21] <Psi-Jack> oq: No, it's a Smart fourTwo, two-passenger car.
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[18:21] <irisl> So I get 93/87 octane so I get around 30mpgs
[18:21] <Psi-Jack> 8L gas tank. :)
[18:21] <oq> Psi-Jack: yeah there's electric smart cars
[18:21] <GenteelBen> I'm still in love with the Corvette Stingray https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMQVUQMN3nU
[18:21] <oq> there's even conversion kits iirc
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[18:22] <polprog> so now i have 2xB+ and one B
[18:22] <polprog> i like audi quattro and if it wasnt 4x4 i would buy it.
[18:22] <AshIndigo> i want to get a zero w sometime
[18:23] <polprog> bmw e36 is nice too
[18:23] <polprog> https://www.autocentrum.pl/ac-file/car-version/57624d7f582c7ddf278bab0a.jpg
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[18:27] <GenteelBen> My next car is going to be this model: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201612210762489
[18:28] <GenteelBen> 2016 5-door Golf GT, 2.0L, automatic.
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> Diesel?
[18:28] <GenteelBen> They only do their autos in diesel.
[18:28] <GenteelBen> Also
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> my father in-law has one...
[18:28] <GenteelBen> Yeah diesel, can't get the same torque in a petrol.
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> it's a very nice car.
[18:28] <GenteelBen> Diesel means I can actually accelerate up a hill fast
[18:28] <GenteelBen> And take off in 2nd/3rd.
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[18:29] <GenteelBen> I drive a manual diesel and can easily take off in 2nd if I forget to shift back to 1st.
[18:29] <GenteelBen> Hell I've accidentally taken off in 3rd sometimes.
[18:29] <GenteelBen> "Why is it taking so long to take off...oh I'm in 3rd."
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[18:29] <GenteelBen> I'd probably stall it if I tried taking off in 4th gear.
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> not sure I'd buy a diesel these days, however I don't do much city driving, so it might be OK.
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> if/when they start to levy extra diesel tax )-:
[18:30] <GenteelBen> It'll only be in shitholes like London where they do that.
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[18:30] <EvilDMP> GenteelBen: I think you've been asked before to moderate yourself here
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> family friendly londons, I hope ...
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[18:38] <pcmerc> stick to the conditioning GenteelBen
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[18:52] <plop6> any good tutorial around to run wayland on raspberry ? raspbian ?
[18:54] <polprog> plop6: it should be same as debian
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[18:55] <vuhuy> Hi, quick question about the Raspberry Pi Zero W. It's hard to find some good hardware documentation, so I need some confirmation the following statements are true.
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[18:55] <plop6> polprog: ty
[18:56] <vuhuy> 1) The RPi Zero W can both be powered with 5V USB or 5V GPIO pin. There is no difference in protection (e.g. fuses or stabilizers) as the 5V USB and 5V GPIO are directly connected to each other.
[18:56] <vuhuy> 2) The RPi Zero W operates at 3.3V, so I assume The GPIO pins also operates at 3.3V, except for the 5V PWR pin which gets downregulated to 3.3V.
[18:56] <vuhuy> I'm seeing a lot of people who uses 5V for their setup. That might work, but I want to work within the correct specifications for optimal reliability and lifetime of my device.
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[18:56] <vuhuy> Thanks.
[18:57] <Psi-Jack> vuhuy: Standard is to run it at 5V which it has its own regulatator. Simple.
[18:57] <Psi-Jack> Don't over-engineer.
[18:57] <polprog> for 1 i am not sure, but all other pi models have protection on usb and bare 5v bus on gpio
[18:57] <polprog> let me find the schems
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[18:58] <vuhuy> Okay thank you polprog, I know the other RPi devies can operate at 5V but when talkingg about the zero.. That is so confusing
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> vuhuy, the Pi has on-board 3.3 and 1.8v regulators.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> bits of the Pi need to run at 5v - e.g. power to the usb data socket.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> so the Pi need to be powered from a 5v source.
[18:58] <polprog> vuhuy: this is the schem for pi zero 1.3. not sure if its the W version: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/RPI-ZERO-V1_3_reduced.pdf
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> HDMI also spevifies a 5v signal from what I recall too.
[18:59] <polprog> generally it wont work if you power the 3v3 pin with 3.3 volts or the 5v pin with 3.3v
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[19:00] <nacelle> if it does work it probably wont work for long
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[19:00] <vuhuy> Okay, thank you for the information polprog andd gordonDrogon, I will look into that
[19:00] <nacelle> (3.3 on 5, 5 on 3.3)
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[19:00] <polprog> nacelle: i meant giving 3v3 on 5v pin :P
[19:00] <vuhuy> Nacelle, thats just a silly thing to do ;)
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[19:00] <polprog> did i write that?
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> vuhuy, no need to look into anything. You power ALL Pi's from a 5v source. end of.
[19:01] <nacelle> vuhuy: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/61302/does-raspberry-pi-zero-have-a-polyfuse
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[19:01] <nacelle> and https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=850752#p850752
[19:02] <vuhuy> Yes that I understand.
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[19:03] <vuhuy> So what you guys saying is 5V for the pwr source, and 3.3V for all other GPIO stuff
[19:03] <Psi-Jack> All RPi's have a 3.3V GPIO logic.
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[19:03] <vuhuy> Thanks
[19:04] <vuhuy> thhats al the information I need
[19:04] <polprog> if you need 5v gpio signals use some buffer driver
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> yes - that's basically it.
[19:05] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, if your GPIO needs 5V logic, you would need a level-converter. heh
[19:05] <polprog> like ULN3008
[19:05] * polprog is a bit proud he got that part no top off his head :P
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[19:06] <vuhuy> nice onee polprog
[19:06] <Psi-Jack> I prefer the level-converter route, because you have 3.3V and 5V available to provide for.
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[19:06] <Rickta59> you mean uln2008?
[19:06] <polprog> Rickta59: yeah. 2803
[19:06] <Rickta59> that one
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[19:07] <vuhuy> Nah, I will just design my circuits for 3.3V
[19:07] <polprog> lol, why did the 2803 datasheet pop up when i typed 3008? maybe i mistaken it with mcp3008
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[19:07] <vuhuy> Being a hardcore atmel guy this thing feels powerfull
[19:07] <Psi-Jack> It IS powerful in comparison.
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> vuhuy, just remembe it's not a microcontroller.
[19:08] <Rickta59> a uln2803 really isn't a buffer .. it is a darlington array
[19:08] <polprog> there are applications where an AVR would be better
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> it's running on dynamic RAM with a multi-user, pre-emptice multi-tasking operating system.
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[19:09] <Psi-Jack> The question is, what's the real difference between a darlington-array and a logic-level converter? ;)
[19:09] <vuhuy> Yes, true, thank you guys.
[19:10] <polprog> it's arbitrary ;)
[19:10] <Rickta59> the darlington array is more flexible
[19:10] <Rickta59> you could pull up the voltage to say .. 12volts not just 5v
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> but may not be as fast.. and you'll need external resistors.
[19:11] <polprog> where would those resistors be? it has builtin ~2k base resistors
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> there are some nice auto-direction level shifters now too which are better suited to the task.
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> polprog, from the open collector outputs to +vcc
[19:11] <Psi-Jack> Rickta59: Hmmmm.. Could it pull down 12~18V to 3.3V?
[19:11] <polprog> oh, those
[19:12] <polprog> Psi-Jack: yeah
[19:12] <polprog> Psi-Jack: that chip can go as high as 50V
[19:12] <Psi-Jack> Interesting. I may have to look further into this. :)
[19:12] <Rickta59> http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slaa148/slaa148.pdf check that out
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[19:12] <polprog> i found out about that 2803 becuase i saw it in a chinnese stepper drievr
[19:12] <polprog> driver*
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> it's a very old chip. actually the uln2003 is old, the 2803 (8-output version) is slightly newer...
[19:13] <Rickta59> that provides a variety of ways to inteface using older tech
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> polprog, those steppers are really feeble and the 2803 can only sink a total of 500mA over all pins.
[19:13] <polprog> well, 595 is old too, but it's useful :) i saw it in a scope once, cotrolling the channel enable
[19:13] <polprog> gordonDrogon: i never said it was a good driver, typical chineesium electronics
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[19:15] <polprog> Rickta59: that note is very useful! thanks very much. Everybody here should see it
[19:15] <Psi-Jack> Well, thanks for the new knowledge. Slowly I am learning more and more about hardware. :)
[19:16] <Psi-Jack> And by hardware, I mean core components, schematics, etc. :)
[19:16] <polprog> good, good,
[19:16] <polprog> it's always useful
[19:16] <strixUK> what permissions are required to run vcgencmd?
[19:16] <strixUK> i can run it as me, but munin can't
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> polprog, the steppers are used in almsot all air conditioner units to move the slats!
[19:19] <polprog> gordonDrogon: moving slats should not pose danger, it's ok :D
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[19:19] <gordonDrogon> the steppers seem to have been picked up by hobbyists though - low current and can be driven with relative ease.
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[19:20] <polprog> gordonDrogon: yesterday we had some guy here who wanted to control some huge industrial stepper with arduino.
[19:20] <polprog> steppers are nice
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[19:21] <strixUK> access to /dev/vhicq, apparently
[19:21] <strixUK> what security implications are there for that inode, if any?
[19:21] <polprog> ls -hal /dev/vhic
[19:22] <polprog> /dev/vhicq *
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[19:22] <polprog> ehh
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[19:22] <polprog> ' ls -hal /dev/vhicq'
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[19:22] <strixUK> sure, it's owned by root.video so adding munin to group video is enough, but i wonder what else can be done with that inode
[19:23] <polprog> what mode does it have?
[19:23] <strixUK> 660
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[19:23] <polprog> what do you need to do with it? i don't know what's that inode, it's rather a generic answer from me :)
[19:24] <strixUK> it's what 'vcgencmd measure_temp' uses
[19:24] <polprog> hmm
[19:25] <strixUK> alternatively, i guess accessing /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp is probably faster
[19:25] <polprog> try to set uid mode bit on the vcgencmd executable, i think it may make it run as root
[19:25] <polprog> always
[19:25] <polprog> im not sure tho
[19:25] <strixUK> yeah, not the best solution
[19:25] <strixUK> give an unpriv user the privs it requires
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[19:25] <polprog> you can add a sudo NOPASSWD rule for that commant excusively
[19:25] <strixUK> rather than elevate everything that uses that binary
[19:25] <strixUK> it's simpler to fix the permissions for the user for than inode.
[19:26] <strixUK> *that
[19:26] <polprog> i guess you are right
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[19:26] <polprog> simplicity or security
[19:26] <polprog> ;)
[19:26] <SomeT> I am trying to put something in perspective here for myself, I ain't that great with networking, so yesterday I ran thingbox.io OS on my pi successfull, then I tried to access node-red via the wifi, but I was trying to connect on a macbook / latest mac os directly wifi card to wifi, rather than wifi-pi <-> internet connection <-> wifi-mac, I need more wifi-pi <-> wifi-mac, is this even
[19:26] <SomeT> possible?
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[19:27] <polprog> it is
[19:27] <polprog> you need to know the local adress of the pi.
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[19:28] <polprog> you can try raspi.local or whatever it was
[19:28] <SomeT> this is the issue
[19:28] <SomeT> when I run ifconfig on terminal
[19:28] <SomeT> its giving me a local address respective of my internet provider
[19:29] <SomeT> I use a public internet in my apartment block which is infact a WLAN
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[19:29] <SomeT> I need to know the right kinda command to get that dam local address so I can access it purely, I don't think the .local is working like that?
[19:29] <polprog> if your pi has rsync it should announce itself to all computers and then the .local will work
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[19:29] <polprog> otherwise you have to guess / scan
[19:30] <polprog> but running a ping scan may light some flags if it's a block-of-flats-range wlan
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[19:30] <SomeT> I am lost...
[19:30] <polprog> https://hackaday.com/2017/04/18/networking-pin-the-tail-on-the-headless-raspberry-pi/
[19:30] <SomeT> what is rsync?
[19:31] <polprog> it's a protocol of announcing the hostnames. you dont need to mess with that
[19:31] <SomeT> connecting via ethernet is not possible
[19:31] <polprog> in that article they use nmap to ping scan the network, so be careful
[19:32] <SomeT> nmap?
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[19:32] <polprog> ok, it's still complicated there
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[19:32] <polprog> do you have physical access to that pi?
[19:32] <polprog> you can try to make it connect with a static (ie always the same) adress to that WLAN
[19:33] <polprog> (generally that's why wlans like those suck)
[19:33] <SomeT> I tried that
[19:33] <SomeT> it has a layer of security feature that does
[19:33] <polprog> look at that comment: "you could try an ‘arp -a’ from the command prompt on windows instead of nmap. It will tell you the current ethernet MAC to IP mappings you. I believe raspberry PI has B8-27-EB for it’s MAC prefix."
[19:33] <SomeT> 10.235.etc... -> 31.0.16etc...
[19:33] <SomeT> it basically hides the normal 192 address
[19:34] <SomeT> but I need that 192 address becausde when I take it on campus it won't work lol
[19:34] <polprog> before that try raspberrypi.local as an adress
[19:35] <polprog> it's the broadcasted adress
[19:35] <SomeT> ah because when I set up thing box
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[19:35] <SomeT> I set it to: jamiethingbox.local
[19:35] <SomeT> the same thing?
[19:35] <SomeT> or does that relate more to the pi ad hoc principles directly?
[19:35] <polprog> yeah, it's the adress. try it
[19:36] <polprog> do you have mac or windows?
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[19:37] <password2> man
[19:37] <SomeT> I have both
[19:37] <SomeT> but on windows its plugged in ethernet, don't have a wifi card
[19:38] <SomeT> so lets just say mac
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[19:38] <polprog> so open the terminal and type 'ping jamiethingbox.local'
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[19:39] <SomeT> good idea lol
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[19:39] <SomeT> probably most obvious tbh
[19:42] <password2> gordonDrogon, hows the bread doing!
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[19:47] <gordonDrogon> Bread is doing OK.
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[19:49] <password2> i just had a craving for a bunny chow in a very fresh half loaf , so i though of you
[19:49] <Lartza> I'm hungry now... and I don't have any nice bread
[19:50] <password2> I'm making "braai broodtjies"
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[19:51] <password2> welll one
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[19:58] <gordonDrogon> I guess a 'bunny chow' doesn't involve rabbits?
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> Ah, curry in a loaf.
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[19:59] <password2> yeah
[20:00] <password2> i especially love aniseed in my bunny chow, i think it adds to the flavour of bread
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[20:00] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20170325_125140.jpg
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> I made the bread bowls.
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[20:01] <password2> oh , a more civilised version :D
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20170325_125124.jpg
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[20:02] <irisl> So did raspbian lite with i3
[20:02] <irisl> God is it ugly lmao
[20:03] <password2> I've actually never baked my own bread
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[20:04] <password2> I'm being thoroughly offtopic , just tell me if its too much
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> it doesn't appear otherwise busy.
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> I keep meaning to make a basic bread video.
[20:05] <irisl> I love sun-dried tomatoe bread with butter
[20:05] <irisl> Mhmmm
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[20:05] <password2> how temperature sensitive are bread baking?
[20:06] <password2> my ovens dial indicator no longer have any temperature markings
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[20:06] <gordonDrogon> what did it go to at max?
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> I start most bakes at 250�C.
[20:07] <password2> at max it just grills
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[20:07] <password2> I'm considering buying an sensor though
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[20:08] <gordonDrogon> I have a Pi controlling one of my ovens.
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[20:09] <password2> what are you sing as an sensor , thermocouple?
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi-controlled-oven/
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> yes, type K.
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[20:09] <password2> ah , i see their quite cheap and go to 1300C
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[20:09] <gordonDrogon> I think the ones I have are good to about 750�C.
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> ah, 500�C. I just checked. Still more than hot enough.
[20:10] <password2> did you buy a driver board?
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> MAX31855 breakout board
[20:10] <password2> I'm considering either getting a handle held meter , or a driver board
[20:11] <password2> the meters start at $16 for dual probes
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> yes, there are some good oven thermometers out there.
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[20:13] <password2> well you get plc like ones too , that you can set the temp with
[20:13] <password2> but i dont need that
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[20:19] <raidensnake> does anyone know why the newest kernels give me mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising sd card errors?
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> I don't know, but please report it back.
[20:20] <raidensnake> I already did last week.
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> ok
[20:21] <raidensnake> 4.4-4.8 works just file
[20:21] <raidensnake> 4.9+ errors every time
[20:21] <raidensnake> trying to boot it
[20:21] <Lartza> So don't use 4.9? :P
[20:22] <EvilDMP> Raspberry Pi in the news! http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-38934822
[20:22] <EvilDMP> erk
[20:23] <ali1234> er... didnt everyone with a clue already say that thing was stupid back when they first launched the kickstarted?
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[20:23] <raidensnake> I want to use the graphics support that's not in the others for both 32 and 64-bit
[20:23] <EvilDMP> ali1234: I hadn't even heard of it
[20:23] <EvilDMP> I like the reasoning for not applying updates
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> haha.. excellent to see a Pi in a commercial device - shame about the implementation though.
[20:24] <Lartza> raidensnake, Right, well for me 4.9.24 works on Arch just fine :/
[20:24] <Lartza> (That's the current kernel arch linux arm for rpi is at)
[20:25] <Apocx> jesus. it's literally just a pi in a box
[20:25] <Armand> Hahahahaaa
[20:25] <ali1234> Apocx: and one of those stupid heat sinks lol
[20:26] <Armand> As much as I love the rPi units I have.. THAT is just bad.
[20:26] <EvilDMP> 'He said that [...] updates can introduce vulnerabilities. "Updates actually cause a cascading effect and now you're patching patches and that is not a good place to be in."'
[20:26] <Armand> EvilDMP: I'll take "How does an OS work?" for 500, please.
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[20:27] <Apocx> Buy pi, install old, random e-mail software. Sell for $399.
[20:27] <ali1234> why the large range in prices?
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> that thing was kickstarted? wow.
[20:27] <ali1234> are they like selling a 8GB version for $199 and a 32GB version for $399?
[20:27] <Armand> Never mind that most ISPs block the essential ports for sending email.
[20:27] <Apocx> ali1234: probably
[20:27] <raidensnake> I tried using it in arm64 but it errored
[20:27] <ali1234> ie charging $200 for a $25 SD card upgrade?
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[20:27] <Apocx> ali1234: probably lol
[20:27] <ali1234> scumbags
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[20:28] <Apocx> "he said the firm no longer shipped versions that used the Raspberry Pi."
[20:28] <ali1234> hahaha yeah right
[20:28] <Apocx> probably switched to an orangepi or something lol
[20:29] <Sonny_Jim> Nomx - Everything else is insecure
[20:29] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: something very very similar to this was kickstarted i dunno if this is the same thing
[20:29] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[20:29] <Sonny_Jim> I think they added an extra word in there
[20:30] <Sonny_Jim> If you want a giggle, read the rebuttal on the nomx website
[20:30] <ali1234> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/my-sentinel/my-sentinel-worlds-first-plugandplay-internet-secu/community
[20:30] <raidensnake> I know
[20:30] <Sonny_Jim> They try and make it sound like that CSRF is some like super-hack that no one outside of the NSA can do
[20:32] <Sonny_Jim> They didn't even proof read it either:
[20:32] <Sonny_Jim> "We were also notified by the BBC that we did not believe the blogger was being fair or accurate in his findings, because no nomx devices were actually compromised "
[20:32] <Sonny_Jim> So, the BBC notified _you_ that _you_ that it wasn't fair or accurate?
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[20:33] <Armand> ali1234: https://pi-hole.net/ ?
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[20:35] <BurtyB> seems a bit of a poor article but not much of a shocker these days from the BBC
[20:35] <raidensnake> they claim they don't but I bet they still do.
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[20:35] <ali1234> its BBC Click
[20:36] <BurtyB> and it's on the BBC news site
[20:36] <ali1234> they're hilariously bad
[20:36] <ali1234> this article actually isnt that bad
[20:36] <ali1234> by their normal standards
[20:36] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, nomx's rebuttal was to give the guy an email and say 'hack the nomx box it came from', which isn't the same as finding a Nomx box via IP scan, finding that it's running an older service that is vulnerable
[20:37] <ali1234> they're normally too busy gushing over the new company facebook just bought to even bother with stuff like this
[20:37] <Apocx> also it has a hidden admin account with the default password 'password'
[20:37] <BurtyB> Sonny_Jim, nor is it like having physical access to a box to exploit which really is game over in most cases anyway
[20:37] <Apocx> Nomax: Kings of security
[20:37] <Apocx> nomx*
[20:37] <Sonny_Jim> Agreed that physical security equals 'Game over', but to say 'Oh, but if we update it, it may have MORE vulns' is just silly
[20:38] <ali1234> according to thereg there is a remote exploit
[20:38] <BurtyB> ali1234, now that is more interesting heh
[20:38] <ali1234> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/27/nomx_insecurity/
[20:38] <Sonny_Jim> Considering that the original guy didn't seem to be a level 9000 hack wizard and the exposure they just bought themselves, I expect there's more talented people looking at it now
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[20:39] <Apocx> yeah you'd be nuts to use one of those nomx devices on your network now
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[20:40] <ali1234> i want to know what distro they use on it
[20:40] <ali1234> and where is their gpl source release?
[20:40] <Apocx> (not to mention, if you are a regular home owner and not a business with static IPs, all your outbound emails will most likely be blocked anyway...)
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[20:41] <ali1234> lol, no
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[20:41] <ali1234> how you gonna block TLS?
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[20:41] <Apocx> sending email on port 25 is going to be blocked by most ISPs
[20:41] <ali1234> unauthenticated SMTP is blocked but nobody uses that any more
[20:41] <Apocx> Raspbian GNU/Linux 7 (wheezy)—last updated 7th May 2015
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[20:42] <ali1234> like literally everyone everywhere should be blocking that
[20:42] <Apocx> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/punching-holes-in-nomx-the-worlds-most-secure-communications-protocol/
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[20:42] <ali1234> raspbian wheezy? looooooool
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[20:43] <BurtyB> Apocx, sending via port 25 seems to be less of an issue these days that it was before from my experience
[20:43] <Habbie> my experience is 'it varies a lot' and thus configuring any device to send email out via port 25 is a mistake
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[20:43] <Habbie> that's what 587 is for
[20:44] <Apocx> in the arstechnica article it was being blocked, I don't know if he was using authentication or not
[20:44] <Apocx> oh he was using 587
[20:44] <ali1234> so TLS
[20:44] <Habbie> ali1234, hmm?
[20:44] <ali1234> 587 is the TLS port
[20:45] <Habbie> no
[20:45] <Habbie> 587 is the plain text submission port
[20:45] <Habbie> on which you should use STARTTLS, of course
[20:45] <ali1234> not on gmail
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[20:45] <Habbie> hostname?
[20:45] <ali1234> yeah if you dont send STARTTLS they just disconnect you
[20:45] <Habbie> right
[20:45] <ali1234> smtp.gmail.com
[20:45] <Habbie> then we agree
[20:45] <Sonny_Jim> $CONF['min_password_length'] = 5;
[20:45] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[20:46] <ali1234> apparently they accept email on port 25 in cleartext, but you can only send to other gmail users
[20:46] <Habbie> well yes
[20:46] <Habbie> that's how they receive mail from any other mail server in the world
[20:46] <Psi-Jack> ^ Exactly.
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[20:48] <Apocx> I wonder if there are any nomx guys in here :P
[20:48] <ali1234> nah its for the google business offering
[20:48] <Habbie> ali1234, hmm?
[20:49] <ali1234> they receive email from "the rest of the world" on another server, which only accepts whitelisted connections
[20:49] <Habbie> 'rest of world' 'whitelisted' how does that make sense?
[20:49] <Habbie> the world is huge
[20:49] <ali1234> its pretty simple. the rest of the world has to either use TLS, or beg google to be whitelisted
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[20:51] <Psi-Jack> Deduction: ali1234 knows very little of how email works. :)
[20:51] <Apocx> e-mail is a cluster* anyway. legacy systems built on legacy systems
[20:52] <Habbie> ali1234, i'm sorry, that's simply not true
[20:52] <Psi-Jack> Speaking of legacy systems. I actually run my own mail server since ~15 years, and a BBS system since ~25 years.
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[20:54] <Habbie> btw, smtp.gmail.com on port 25 does not accept mail for gmail users
[20:54] <Habbie> it demands starttls like port 587
[20:54] <Psi-Jack> No, it works.
[20:55] <Psi-Jack> Actually, no maybe not, their MX's per DNS accept port 25 without TLS required.
[20:55] <Habbie> Psi-Jack, smtp.gmail.com or the listed MX?
[20:55] <Psi-Jack> Listed MX./ :)
[20:55] <Habbie> i just tested both to compare
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[20:55] <Habbie> telnet to listed MX gives me mail in my inbox
[20:55] <Habbie> smtp.gmail.com, even port 25, even with starttls, demands auth as soon as i type mail from
[20:55] <Habbie> which is all sensible
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[20:56] <Psi-Jack> Yep.
[20:56] <ali1234> there is also smtp-relay.gmail.com which is authenticated by ip address
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[20:58] <Habbie> ali1234, did not know that, neat
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[21:00] <ali1234> the docs for this actually dont make much sense
[21:00] <ali1234> it says aspmx allows any IP to connect, but then it says your IP must be configured for SPF
[21:01] <ali1234> i guess you can try to send but good luck getting past the spam filter
[21:01] <Sonny_Jim> Oh this is classic:
[21:01] <Sonny_Jim> "nomx is now finalizing the “Cloud in Your Attic” server "
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[21:04] <Psi-Jack> Bleh, I'm not personally a fan of nomx. x2go on the other hand, so much better.
[21:04] <Habbie> ali1234, yes, SPF helps with the reputation scores
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[21:05] <Habbie> ali1234, it also helps with failing to email various other parts of the world
[21:06] <Habbie> so it's a mixed bag ;)
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[21:07] <plop6> is there some wayland user on raspberry pi ?
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[21:07] <Psi-Jack> wayland... "user?"
[21:08] <plop6> is wayland can run on raspbian ?
[21:08] <Psi-Jack> is ___ can?
[21:08] <plop6> Psi-Jack: well .. .some of yu are running wayland on raspberry ?
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[21:08] <plop6> can wayland run on raspberry ?
[21:09] <Psi-Jack> yu?
[21:09] <plop6> Psi-Jack: trying
[21:09] <Psi-Jack> Sorry, just trying to translate your Engrish. :)
[21:10] <plop6> good try !
[21:10] <polprog> iirc plop6 is trying to install wayland on his raspbian
[21:10] <ali1234> wayland can run on raspberry pi
[21:10] <ali1234> there are two approaches
[21:10] <ali1234> the old way is to use the dispmanx backend for weston
[21:10] * plop6 wanted to run wayland on is raspberry pi zero W
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[21:11] <ali1234> that backend was removed when it became inconvenient
[21:11] <plop6> ok
[21:11] <ali1234> the new way is to use the open GPU driver
[21:11] <Psi-Jack> Wayland itself doesn't run on much as it is. No distribution to-date uses it 100%
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[21:11] <Psi-Jack> Even Fedora, whom is the biggest backer for Wayland, they only use Wayland for the display manager session.
[21:12] <ali1234> not true. they use it for gnome now, if you have a compatible video card
[21:12] <plop6> any tutorial on the new way ?
[21:12] <Psi-Jack> ali1234: In Fedora 25?
[21:12] <ali1234> in whatever is the newest release of fedora
[21:12] <Psi-Jack> That's currently Fedora 25.
[21:12] <ali1234> then yes
[21:12] <Psi-Jack> My main desktop doesn;t yet use F25. My laptop does though.
[21:13] <Psi-Jack> I just don't use Gnome. I'm a KDE man. :)
[21:13] <ali1234> desktops tend to have real video cards
[21:13] <ali1234> real vdieo cards tend to not work with wayland
[21:13] <Psi-Jack> Well, I do have a real Nvidia. :)
[21:13] <Psi-Jack> I flip it off from time to time just to support Linus. :)
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[21:52] <brianx> Psi-Jack: what was that FET that you found that is fully on at 3.3 Vgs?
[21:53] <Psi-Jack> Ummm, lemme check.
[21:53] <Psi-Jack> It's actually ariving today.
[21:54] <Psi-Jack> IRLU024PBF
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[21:54] <Psi-Jack> That, possibly combined with a logic-level converter.
[21:55] <polprog> i found a fet that has a threshold voltage of 1.something volts
[21:55] <polprog> ill give you the number
[21:56] <polprog> infineon's BSO033N03
[21:56] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, looks like this is Vgs 5.0V
[21:56] <polprog> so no level converter needed :)
[21:56] <Psi-Jack> Is there a pth version of that?
[21:56] <polprog> THT?
[21:56] <Psi-Jack> Yes
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[21:57] <polprog> havent seen
[21:57] <polprog> but you can search on mouser/tme
[21:57] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, I just just soldering SMD's. :)
[21:57] <Psi-Jack> hate*
[21:57] <polprog> well, i hate drilling holes in self made PCBs :P my last one is fully smd
[21:58] <Psi-Jack> heh
[21:58] <polprog> ill find something for you guys
[21:58] <Psi-Jack> Well, I mostly work a little old school with ring boards.
[21:58] <Psi-Jack> smd's don't work so well on those. :)
[21:59] <Psi-Jack> But...
[21:59] <Psi-Jack> Based on this datasheet.
[21:59] <Psi-Jack> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/427/sihlr024-104491.pdf
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[22:00] <polprog> well, the generic 2n7000 has Vgs(th) of max 2.2V @ Id = 1mA
[22:00] <brianx> Psi-Jack: the IRLU024PBF only rates RDSon at 5Vgs, there is no graph showing the resistance at various gate voltages.
[22:00] <polprog> what current do you need to switch?
[22:00] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm...
[22:01] <Psi-Jack> 3.3V from an ESP8266
[22:01] <Psi-Jack> GPIO that is.
[22:01] <polprog> yeah, but what are you controlling
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[22:01] <Psi-Jack> a 12~18V PWM garage door wire. :)
[22:02] <polprog> so it's a big motor?
[22:02] <polprog> what power>
[22:02] <Psi-Jack> Well, no, just the control wire for the control pad. :)
[22:02] <polprog> ?
[22:02] <polprog> ah!
[22:02] <Psi-Jack> hehe
[22:02] <polprog> so i think 2n7000 will be enough
[22:02] <brianx> polprog: that infineon BSO033N03 looks pretty sweet. about 3.7mOhm at 3.3V.
[22:03] <polprog> brianx: yeah. i made a driver for my raspi on those
[22:03] <polprog> i have some pics
[22:04] <brianx> i'd never seen one that could handle that much current with such a low Vgs.
[22:04] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, interesting, that 2n7000
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[22:04] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, that looks pretty sweet as well, though, is it just based on ohms for gate?
[22:05] <brianx> Psi-Jack: the gate is Voltage.
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[22:05] <brianx> the DS is resistance at a specific Vgs.
[22:05] <brianx> RDSon.
[22:05] <polprog> http://www.tme.eu/gb/Document/1e76ca7d23e70566177e936dc5457b08/IRF610PBF.pdf
[22:05] <polprog> arrgh
[22:06] <Younder> Seem more into Ti's circuits these days
[22:06] <brianx> the infineon has a graph in the datasheet.
[22:06] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, it's hard for me to read and fully understand these papers. Especially when it shows Vgs as +- 20
[22:06] <polprog> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7nrducTAtMTcDBSRGo5ajB2b00/view?usp=sharing
[22:06] <polprog> Psi-Jack: you are looking at maximum ratings
[22:06] <Psi-Jack> Oh.
[22:06] <polprog> look at the curve or Vgs(th)
[22:06] <brianx> Psi-Jack: the +/- 20V is likely in the absolute maximum (before the magic smoke comes out)
[22:08] <polprog> for example that 2n7000 has listed 0.8-3.0 V at 1mADC, here, page 2 under "On characteristics" https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/2N7000-D.PDF
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[22:08] <Psi-Jack> Ahh there we go.
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[22:08] <Apocx> damn I might have to switch to that BSO033N03
[22:08] <Younder> A AD converted with 4 SPS for digital radio
[22:08] <Psi-Jack> So, 0.8-3.0V.
[22:08] <brianx> vgs(th) isn't all that useful, it just says when the transistor begins to turn on. the graph will usually say what the resistance is at a specific gate voltage.
[22:09] <Younder> THS1206
[22:09] <polprog> exactly. either resistance or current, but those are proportional
[22:10] <polprog> Psi-Jack: usually they give such a wide range because the production offshoot is that bug
[22:10] <polprog> that big*
[22:10] <polprog> but its 3V worst case, so it qualifies :)
[22:10] <Psi-Jack> Indeed.
[22:10] <polprog> you know you always design for the worst case
[22:10] <Psi-Jack> I may have to order some of these next budget. :)
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[22:11] <polprog> i really think you should try your hand at smd
[22:11] <Psi-Jack> I maxed my budget for this month already. heh
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[22:11] <Younder> You need a a oscilloscope to pick up and debug jidder problems.
[22:11] <Psi-Jack> polprog: I might get both, just because. I plan to get into CNC design anyway.
[22:12] <Psi-Jack> Well, PCB CNC designs. ;)
[22:12] <polprog> oh. i think i should try CNCs
[22:12] <brianx> i thought the budget was non existent with the wife out of town.
[22:12] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Oh, I still have a budget. :)
[22:12] <brianx> lol ;-)
[22:12] <Younder> I got a cheap Hanteck MSO512D from ebay.
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[22:13] <polprog> wow, that hantek kicks
[22:13] <Younder> 500$ is pretty cheap fro a ocilloscope.
[22:13] <polprog> i went for the cheapest 4 channel rigol
[22:14] <polprog> i'm happy with it
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[22:14] <Psi-Jack> What I want is a CNC machine, 3D printer, and a decent scope for $500/ :)
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[22:14] <Apocx> good luck
[22:15] <Psi-Jack> heh
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[22:15] <Younder> Psi-Jack, Good luck with that. See you back on earth when the bills come in ;)
[22:15] <Psi-Jack> Hey, long as I'm dreaming, right? ;)
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[22:15] <polprog> you should get VR goggles and build the Construct from the matix, better
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[22:15] <Apocx> now if you said $500 each, you could atleast get 2 out of 3
[22:15] <brianx> polprog: so the 2n7000g shows 3Vgs and 5Vds as about .05A. ohms law says r=e/i, r=5/.05, r=100 ohms. not a very useful switch in most cases.
[22:15] <Psi-Jack> Apocx: Heh, which 2?
[22:16] <polprog> brianx: let me see
[22:16] <Apocx> I have yet to find a decent CNC machine for under like $1-2k
[22:16] <Apocx> atleast for what I'd use
[22:16] <Psi-Jack> Yeah... CNC's are quite expensive, even for the smaller ones.
[22:16] <brianx> polprog: figure 1 ohmic region.
[22:16] <Younder> Well they say electronics are dirt cheap in Sechuan. Of cource you have to get there first..
[22:17] <polprog> brianx: yeah, you're right. its in that region on the graph
[22:18] <brianx> i'd assume around 20% tolerance (fet's are not that accurate) so the 2n7000g is not a very useful device at 3.3V.
[22:18] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
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[22:18] <Younder> With oscilloscopes if you go for 200 MHz and less prices drop off radically. Good enough for most Pi projects.
[22:18] <Apocx> yeah. I need to buy an oscilloscope. I'd probably buy the $300 rigol or something
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[22:19] <Psi-Jack> I bought a ~$30 scope I built. :)
[22:19] <Apocx> nice
[22:19] <Apocx> I can't be bothered to build one :P
[22:19] <polprog> brianx: in contrary that bso033n03 has the drain current of 30 amps at 3v
[22:19] <Psi-Jack> It's not great, but it does definitely work.
[22:19] <Psi-Jack> Mostly.
[22:20] <brianx> i use an avr occasionally as a "scope" for very low speed projects. 38Ksps. :-)
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[22:20] <Psi-Jack> Better controls and knobs would definitely be better. Having to push buttons to set the mode to turn the knob to manage that attribute... Tedious.
[22:20] <brianx> polprog: yeah, that infineon is a really nice chip.
[22:21] <polprog> i dont wanna be a bearer of bad news, but search for a 0.1 ohm mosfet returns about 300 SMD parts and 7 THT parts
[22:21] <brianx> polprog: sure, but how many can do that at 3Vgs?
[22:22] <polprog> im looking through the datasheets
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[22:22] <polprog> one has a Vgsth at 3-5V
[22:22] <Apocx> THT is a pain anyway. paste + hot air gun is so much nicer
[22:22] <polprog> ^^
[22:22] <plugwash> fortunately big mosfets aren't too bad to solder even in SMD
[22:22] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[22:22] <polprog> yeah, even TQFP is quite easy
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[22:23] <brianx> plugwash: are you peter?
[22:24] <plugwash> yes
[22:24] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[22:24] <plugwash> Peter Michael Green to be precise
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[22:25] <brianx> plugwash: can you give me any clue how to get some attention for my bug? it's 1632555.
[22:25] <Psi-Jack> That BSO033N03MS is definitely pretty dang sweet for sure. If I went with an SMD like that, though, I'd hope for something that had 3~4 gates, 3~4 sources and 3~4 drains seperately.
[22:25] <brianx> i posted the patch that is working for me even.
[22:25] <polprog> brianx: unfortunately the best THT i can find is FDB3632 which had Vgs(th) at 3-5V
[22:26] <polprog> so it's either a level conv or SMD
[22:26] <brianx> polprog: :-( bummer, there are just times when you want through hole.
[22:26] <Psi-Jack> I have about 6 gates I need.
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[22:27] <polprog> does it have to be a fet?
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[22:27] <polprog> if it's a very low current signal you could use an optoisolator, although it's not their original application type
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[22:27] <Psi-Jack> That was the route I was aiming for. 4 of the gates are to keep that 12V~24V line from the ESP8266, while letting current flow through.
[22:27] <Psi-Jack> The other 2 are for 5V limit switch gates.
[22:28] * plugwash looks at brianx's bug
[22:28] <Psi-Jack> 1 of the 4 gates would actually be reversed. the 12V would open the gate to the GPIO to receive frequencies.
[22:28] <plugwash> firstly I very much doubt it is raspbian specific
[22:28] <brianx> thank you plugwash :-)
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[22:29] <brianx> plugwash: the code on Raspbian is different from the code on debian.
[22:29] <polprog> Psi-Jack: so it would be an input?
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[22:29] <brianx> plugwash: compiling the debian code under raspbian works fine. the upstream is the same as debian.
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[22:30] <Psi-Jack> polprog: Correct. trigger outbound, while the 4th would be an input to try to determine of the softlock is engaged.
[22:30] <Psi-Jack> By detecting frequency.
[22:30] <Psi-Jack> When the garage door softlock is on, it changes the pwm frequency.
[22:30] <plugwash> brianx, hrmm that is very odd if true
[22:30] <polprog> honestly i would make that in bipolars and forget about everything
[22:30] <brianx> plugwash: the only thing i wasn't able to find was a changelog indicating why raspbian was using different code. it's just a variable type.
[22:30] <polprog> even a bc547 would do
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[22:31] <Younder> For a garage door opener why not just use a 555?
[22:31] <polprog> i can draw you a schem if you want
[22:31] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I happen to have bc547's now.
[22:31] <Psi-Jack> polprog: I'd be curious, please. :)
[22:32] <Psi-Jack> Younder: because the timing is much more specific.
[22:32] <polprog> i chose them for a reason, it's the most common one in europe at least :P i'd be surprised if you did not have them ;)
[22:32] <Psi-Jack> polprog: I just got them yesterday. LOL
[22:32] <Psi-Jack> Along with many other bc327's to 558's.
[22:33] <Psi-Jack> Basically 20pcs each.
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[22:34] <Psi-Jack> It's funny too, I was looking at a bc547 just yesterday, considering trying to make a logic-level converter with 2 of them, but when I put it all in falstaad, it just didn't work at all.
[22:34] <polprog> Psi-Jack: it's simple. you just need resistors
[22:34] <Psi-Jack> http://tinyurl.com/n7urqug
[22:35] <Psi-Jack> Top left one is the one failing
[22:35] <Psi-Jack> Though that's missing the 5V in on the top.
[22:35] <Psi-Jack> http://tinyurl.com/mxf5hpb
[22:36] <Psi-Jack> That's fixed, to what I had tried.
[22:36] <Psi-Jack> *blinks* wait a sec, now it's showing 5V? Before it was only showing 2.5V!
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[22:39] <Psi-Jack> Blah.. Yeah.. That seems to be working Nooooow... As a logic-leveler anyway.
[22:40] <Psi-Jack> a 3.3V to 5V specifically.
[22:40] <brianx> Psi-Jack: in most cases, you just leave the signal inverted and then invert in software. that gives a much simpler single transistor circuit.
[22:40] <Psi-Jack> Welp, Fedex just delivered my fets.
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[22:43] <Psi-Jack> And I have enough diodes for a good while. heh
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[22:45] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
[22:45] <Psi-Jack> OptiMOS?
[22:45] <Psi-Jack> heh
[22:46] <polprog> Psi-Jack: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7nrducTAtMTXzIwNjc4bEdaX2c/view?usp=sharing
[22:46] <polprog> 4 circuits, inverting and noninverting input and output level shifters
[22:47] <polprog> Psi-Jack: that falstad circuits are nice, you came up with that youself? becuase that bipolar one is how it's done :P
[22:47] <Psi-Jack> polprog: I did not, actually, but I did the calculations to get it correct as I could.
[22:48] <polprog> nice :)
[22:48] <Psi-Jack> Second one I did myself, with mosfets.
[22:49] <polprog> a small tip, for readability. in most schematics voltages go from top to bottom and signals from left to right. that bipolar shifter is clear, but that mos one is a bit cluttered
[22:49] <Psi-Jack> The original schematic though, on the 5V right side, was originally 1.5K, but that just slowed it down unncecessarily.
[22:49] <polprog> on my schematics the input schems are the wrong way around, the signals there go from right to left
[22:49] <polprog> got them?
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[22:49] <Psi-Jack> Yeah
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[22:51] <Psi-Jack> So I'm reading this right, at the very top, +_2, is that an upside down v, a 7, or a 1?
[22:52] <Psi-Jack> I'm guessing 1.
[22:52] <polprog> it's +12V
[22:52] <Psi-Jack> Okay. :)
[22:52] <Psi-Jack> It's been a while since I've seen 1's written that way. :)
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[22:52] <polprog> do you write them with that "base" ?
[22:52] <polprog> or just a stick?
[22:52] <Psi-Jack> No, just more like 1, a stick, sometimes a tiny hat.
[22:53] <Psi-Jack> Though my 7's are long-hatted and the stem is crossed.
[22:54] <Psi-Jack> I'm American. I'm guessing Europeon, or French?
[22:54] <Psi-Jack> Or even English maybe?
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[22:56] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[22:56] <polprog> Psi-Jack: you can replace the bipolars with mosfets in most of the cases, but in your you would need to find mosfets which have low enough voltages to work lik the bjts
[22:57] <polprog> that's why i suggested bipolars actually, but for the future: http://tinyurl.com/kuvypaa
[22:57] <polprog> it's the same noninverting output but in MOS
[22:57] <Psi-Jack> Even still. Yeah. I can understand this a bit. My goal is to basically use a 3.3V trigger GPIO to activate the garage door's 12V+ out via 3different paths. 1 path is just straight back to the it, second path sends it through a 1uF Cap, and third path is through a 22uF cap that merges with the 1uF cap.
[22:57] <polprog> why that?
[22:58] <polprog> why the caps
[22:58] <Psi-Jack> Those are the three signals the garage door processor is expecting.
[22:58] <polprog> oh
[22:58] <Psi-Jack> heh
[22:58] <Psi-Jack> It's PWM Analog over 80Hz
[22:58] <polprog> ok then, not much room for improvement there :P
[22:58] <Psi-Jack> heh
[22:58] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, exactly. It's a very odd signal base, but hey, it works. :)
[22:59] <Psi-Jack> I think Chamberlain was just being a little lazy, since the original push-button was just a simple short, they kept that and added caps to alter the frequency for the other two buttons they added.
[22:59] <Psi-Jack> I'd be scared to see what they do with the MyQ enabled control panel. heh
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[23:00] <Psi-Jack> That one has wifi built in, along with a PIR. heh
[23:00] <polprog> one note on replacing bjts with mos is that you dont need the gate (bjt's base) resistor anymode
[23:00] <polprog> anymore*
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[23:03] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, I see why I'd gotten half before on my logic-level converter before!
[23:03] <Psi-Jack> I had put a ground on the end of the output side.
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[23:04] <Psi-Jack> Which, isn't necessarily the case!
[23:04] <Psi-Jack> Pretty sure it goes to some signal processor before getting to ground.
[23:06] <Psi-Jack> I think I'll try something like this out on a breadboard, see how it works. :)
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[23:08] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[23:08] <polprog> Psi-Jack: http://tinyurl.com/ktahjxx non inverting mos input
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[23:10] <Psi-Jack> My testing I've been doing with a 9V battery, DC-DC Buck down to 3.3V source, feeding the 12V in similarly and seeing it work.
[23:11] <polprog> does it :P ?
[23:11] <polprog> hope you have a meter
[23:11] <Psi-Jack> Oh yeah.
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[23:12] <Psi-Jack> Meter and small STM32-based scope.
[23:12] <polprog> nice, that scope may come in handy once
[23:12] <brianx> Psi-Jack: i suspect that the bjt won't work in the 3 button circuit because it would change the signal shape, but since we don't know exactly what the garage door opener is looking at about the signal, it's impossible to say for sure. a nice low resistance (rdson) fet with it's gate at the specified Vgs is likely to work.
[23:12] <Psi-Jack> heh, yeah, this scope came in real handy.
[23:13] <polprog> what if you replaced/tapped the buttons themselves?
[23:13] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Well, I'm going to see if these fets I got today also work. Again as you said, don't really know what is expected exactly on the garage's logic processor.
[23:13] <polprog> so mos in paralell with the button?
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[23:14] <brianx> polprog: yeah.
[23:14] <Psi-Jack> polprog: The actual project is to have an ESP8266 inside the garage door unit itself to which HomeKit can control the garage functionality.
[23:14] <brianx> he's adding a 2nd button board.
[23:14] <polprog> ah
[23:14] <brianx> polprog: the button board is: http://kuzyatech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/P8130041.jpg
[23:15] <brianx> the caps are .1uf and .22uf
[23:15] <polprog> 22uF, maybe those are just decoupling...?
[23:15] <Psi-Jack> Yep. C1 is 22uF, C2 is 1uF
[23:15] <Psi-Jack> Not .1 and .22, but 1uF and 22uF
[23:15] <polprog> if you drew out a schematic of it, it would be helpful
[23:16] <brianx> polprog: they're in series with buttons 2 and 3. button 1 is just a short circuit like any other garage door opener
[23:16] <polprog> anyway. i hope i helped :) gotta go
[23:16] <brianx> oh, sorry for the typo.
[23:16] <polprog> brianx: so not decoupling. too big anywa
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[23:16] <brianx> polprog: yeah.
[23:16] <polprog> Psi-Jack: good luck
[23:17] <Psi-Jack> Thanks. :)
[23:17] <brianx> polprog: they're clearly being used to manipulate that 80hz signal in a way that the controller board can detect.
[23:17] <Psi-Jack> I plan to have most of this working this weekend. :)
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[23:18] <brianx> Psi-Jack: what ever happened to using 3 relays for this? they resolve the body diode problem (which may or may not make any difference)
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[23:19] <brianx> Psi-Jack: of course i'd rather you use the FETs, when i duplicate your work in a few weeks, i'd prefer to remain solid state. ;-)
[23:19] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Relays are a bit big for fitting inside with everything else
[23:20] <brianx> ahh, ok.
[23:20] <brianx> and make mine a few months, not weeks.
[23:20] <Psi-Jack> It would work but it would add risk
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[23:20] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[23:21] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. I wanted more solid state. Smaller. I even ordered a few Wemos D1 minis specially for this. Only 1 needed but I wanted extras
[23:22] <brianx> spares are always good when you're learning.
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[23:23] <Psi-Jack> I'm using the larger modules because that's what I have started with. But final will be the wemos because they are tiny
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[23:23] <Psi-Jack> And as you suggested.. I took out the pir from the main garage unit itself and will put it somewhere else. Linked up with the backdoor sensors.
[23:24] <Phischi> hi, any sugesstions how to get the internal wifi work as an AP on a Pi3?
[23:24] <brianx> i'm not all that familiar with those boards, i've only used the bare esp-01 and esp-12*
[23:24] <Psi-Jack> Maybe the car sensors too.
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[23:25] <brianx> Psi-Jack: what are you using as car sensors?
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[23:26] <Psi-Jack> Ultra sonic
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[23:28] <Apocx> Phischi: https://frillip.com/using-your-raspberry-pi-3-as-a-wifi-access-point-with-hostapd/
[23:28] <brianx> ahh, that makes sense. i assume something like teh HC-SR04
[23:28] <Psi-Jack> They'll point down from the ceiling to where the cars highest points will be to detect them. Hidden from the attic side and only exposing the sensors
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[23:30] <brianx> sounds nice and hidden. looks like the 80 cent china modules are good to 4M so plenty of range to find the difference between the floor and the roof of the car.
[23:31] <Psi-Jack> Yep.
[23:31] <Psi-Jack> Pretty much! :)
[23:32] <brianx> pir is better at finding people and animals than cars.
[23:32] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, but they'll definitely detect the cars too.
[23:32] <Apocx> you obviously need to tear up your concrete floor, and repour it with an induction loop embedded in it.
[23:32] <brianx> a warm car for sure.
[23:33] <Apocx> :D
[23:33] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. hehe
[23:33] <Psi-Jack> Apocx: Dude... You had the secondary idea I had! :D
[23:33] <brianx> Apocx: that's what the city does for traffic lights. must be the way.
[23:33] <Psi-Jack> I do need to repaint my garage floor though. heh
[23:33] <Apocx> hehe
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[23:34] <Psi-Jack> I know, replace all the caramic tile in the house with inductive flooring as well? Not just sense motion, but exactly WHERE the motion is exactly.
[23:34] <brianx> i wonder ... if you're repainting anyway, you could tape down a big circle of magnet wires and then epoxy paint over them.
[23:34] <Psi-Jack> With weight sensing to gauge whether it's human or small animal.
[23:35] <brianx> Psi-Jack: capacitive sensors can kinda sense bulk too.
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[23:35] <Psi-Jack> brianx: Well, I do have definite plans to repaint the garage, but it'll be a lot of work before I can still. Have to clear out the garage which is still not even organized from moving into my house. LOL
[23:35] <brianx> oh, don't talk to me about organizing. :-(
[23:36] <Psi-Jack> Then re-pressure wash them, but yeah.. When I do that, I do indeed plan to put down electromanetic wiring. :)
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[23:36] <Psi-Jack> I should get a security sign for my house. "Security System built by Engineer"
[23:36] <brianx> lol
[23:37] <Psi-Jack> Anyone would think twice then. "WTF does THAT mean?"
[23:37] <IT_Sean> "My neighbor doesn't own guns. I do. Break into his house instead."
[23:37] <shauno> or "home made security, give it a shot and see if it's working today"?
[23:37] <brianx> i wonder how well a grid would work for capacitative sense...
[23:37] <IT_Sean> Psi-Jack: language.
[23:37] <Psi-Jack> Oops. Sorry.
[23:37] <IT_Sean> you've been warned several times before.
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[23:38] <brianx> three letters is censored now?
[23:38] <Psi-Jack> Yes, I have at once, maybe twice before. I do sincerely apologize.
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[23:40] <brianx> Psi-Jack: the etherpuppet bug is getting patched. thank you for your assistance in verifying it.
[23:40] <Psi-Jack> Oh good! No problem! Glad I could help.
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[23:42] <brianx> Psi-Jack: lol, the top urban dict definition for your 3 inappropriate letters is "What the Fun!"
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[23:45] <EvilDMP> brianx: nothing is "censored". But it would be a shame if the Raspberry Pi Foundation decided that it could no longer recommend this channel because it wasn't an appropriate place for a general audience
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[23:47] <brianx> EvilDMP: i just find some things a bit excessive. i don't know about you, but when i grew up back in the 1960s, i knew all the four letter words before i started school and my parents weren't the source.
[23:49] <Psi-Jack> Ditto.
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[23:50] <Psi-Jack> These days, it's actually literally worse.
[23:50] <brianx> i kinda assumed as much, but don't have kids.
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[23:52] <Psi-Jack> Back when I was running my BBS (Which... I still do), pretty much everyone was using that particular acronym. Kids more-so than adults, thought the adults caught on and started using it more themselves.
[23:53] <Psi-Jack> Me personally, I consider the three-letter acronym used earlier as similar to what is acceptable on US-TV.
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[23:53] <brianx> given my age, there weren't exactly a lot of BBS yet when i learned the words. ;-)
[23:53] <brianx> the idea of a modem at home was a one in a million kind of thing.
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[23:54] <Psi-Jack> For example, SyFy allowed the use of "Frack" for the show BattleStar Galactica, and that was TV-14 rated.
[23:55] <EvilDMP> It doesn't make any difference. This is a place that has the blessing of the Raspberry Pi Foundation. There are plenty of other places where you can discuss topics and use language that would not be suitable here. You can even set up your own #raspberrypi-uncensored channel if you like. But the rules here are posted in the topic: https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/1Z8B_0WVSFobWv-ZxpupAJ43Bz7QWpAxbefDJ2tD5MTI/edit?usp=sharing
[23:55] <brianx> wasn't that a race though?
[23:55] <Psi-Jack> No. That was the Cylons.
[23:55] <Psi-Jack> Well. Here's what I think about that excessive policy then.
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[23:57] <brianx> wow, *'s are even against policy. i thought the person above commenting on using a word that was all * was kidding.
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[23:57] <binaryhermit> *
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[23:57] <IT_Sean> Don't be cheeky. :p
[23:57] <shauno> yaknow, that bit I'm actually fine with. if the meaning is clear, it should be just the same
[23:57] <binaryhermit> just kidding, unless there's a 4 letter word that's actually one letter
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[23:58] <IT_Sean> Yeah... the letter Q is incredibly offensive, binaryhermit. :p //sarcasm
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[23:58] <brianx> lol
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[23:59] <brianx> i guess this is the country that brought us the victorian age.
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