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IRC Log for 2017-04-28

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[0:00] <shauno> and the industrial revolution \o/
[0:00] <brianx> parts of it, yep.
[0:00] <brianx> just as bad here sometimes, the puritans moved here.
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[0:01] <shauno> oh I know. I often joke, we sent all the puritans over there, and all the criminals to australia. and australia worked out just fine!
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[0:01] <brianx> ohhh :-p
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[0:02] <brianx> lm something o
[0:02] <shauno> honestly though, I don't think the problem is the policy. it's just finding a way to *Ahem* people without sounding like you're reprimanding them. most the time people just need a little nudge to remind them that this room isn't like most others they're in
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[0:03] <shauno> (not that I'm claiming I know how to do that, I'm not very good at humans. but I'm not very good at getting told off, either)
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[0:04] <brianx> reading the policy doc, yeah it's not what i thought it was even. it's pretty clear that the 3 letter acronym was inappropriate.
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[0:06] <shauno> I kinda take it as "if you wouldn't expect a teacher to say it to your child", more than "if you wouldn't expect a child to say it"
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[0:07] <brianx> see, i wouldn't have even second thoughts about a teacher saying those 3 letters. the last teacher i dated was... not something i could realistically describe here.
[0:07] <shauno> even in class?
[0:08] <shauno> anyway. the horse has been beaten many times. all I was saying is maybe there's a way to share the point that doesn't feel like a scolding. most the time it feels like people take offense to that, rather than the rule itself
[0:08] <brianx> the way she was, i can't imagine at least some of it didn't happen in class.
[0:09] <brianx> ^^^ yeah, i agree.
[0:09] <brianx> i've managed to talk about it without violating any policies but it's been some effort.
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[0:25] <Rukus> Hello
[0:25] <Rukus> what is the difference between choosing YCBCR limited / full for pixel encoding on the pi?
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[0:49] <gena2x> Need little bit help with GPIOs. I compiled vanilla 4.11.0-rc7 and seems everything I need (i.e. I2C and USB) is fine. Last thing I am missing is GPIO. I understand that it is possible to just use them directly, but sysfs looks better for me. Unfortunately it doesn't work for me - it says 'invalid GPIO 17' in dmesg.
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[0:50] <gena2x> ls in /sys/class/gpio shows me gpiochip458, which looks quite good
[0:50] <gena2x> but for some reason, echo 17 > export fails... anybody running vanilla kernel with GPIOs through sysfs?
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[0:56] <plugwash> IIRC vanilla doesn't give nice GPIO numbers, apparently this is by design.
[0:57] <gena2x> I'll be happy with non-nice..
[0:57] <gena2x> how to map? I know pin number
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[1:01] <gena2x> So far I found this: http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Raspberry-Pi-GPIO-Layout-Model-B-Plus-rotated-2700x900-1024x341.png
[1:01] <gena2x> As I think I understand that means that pin11 is bcm 17
[1:02] <oq> gena2x: https://pinout.xyz/
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[1:03] <gena2x> yeah, the same... So i am trying correct bcm pin - 17 with 'echo 17 > /sys/class/gpio/export' .
[1:04] <gena2x> and that gives me 'invalid GPIO 17'
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[1:05] <gena2x> in dmesg. anybody using vanilla with gpios?
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[1:05] <gena2x> how in the hell it can't work if it is inside cpu...
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[1:09] <plugwash> I remember reading something about this on a mailing list somewhere but my google searches are drawing a blank
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[1:11] <gena2x> which mail list? kernel or something else?
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[1:18] <plugwash> Could have been lkml, could have been debian-arm, could have been somewhere else
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[1:23] <gena2x> Oh, I got it...
[1:24] <gena2x> As I have gpiochip458, i need to export 458+17. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39632455/linux-gpio-driver-cant-export-gpio
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[1:25] <gena2x> cool, now I have all I need on 64 bit vanilla debian distro with vanilla kernel on rasberry 3!
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[1:36] <oq> gena2x: think binary blobs on broadcom/the foundations part is getting in the way of utilising the 64bitness of armv8
[1:37] <gena2x> Turns out all I need is ethernet, usb camera, usb wireless, I2C and GPIO.
[1:38] <gena2x> And all this working fine.
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[3:25] <Phischi> zu viele Filme und Spiele in letzter Zeit haben https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I und https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3rnxQBizoU benutzt :P
[3:25] <Phischi> oooops
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[3:25] <Phischi> any idea for a good FLAC-player?
[3:26] <Phischi> I've seen HDEF-Shields, any goo?
[3:26] <Phischi> good
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[3:39] <derpingit> hi guys
[3:39] <derpingit> anyone tried running a squid proxy server on a pi3 ?
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[4:46] <CoJaBo> so, apperently i do, in fact, have 3 pis with dead hdmi
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[4:51] <Chillum> you sure it is not the thing you are pluggin them into
[4:53] <CoJaBo> Nope, because the 4th works fine :/
[4:53] <CoJaBo> I think something plugged in was burning them out tho
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[4:53] <CoJaBo> Gonna have to pitch both PSUs, one sketchy cable, and the audio splitter :/
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[7:37] <password4> i think its time to ressurect my rpi1 :D
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[7:40] <password4> to drive a string of leds
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[8:12] <password4> not even rgb , so its the most overkill ever
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[8:16] <polprog> overkill? overkill would be when you put together a full size itx pc that talks to an arduino bia wifi xD
[8:18] <Psi-Jack> polprog: http://tinyurl.com/mpeqt83 This is my actual final design schematic that's been tested functional. :)
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[8:18] <Sonny_Jim> I've seen an IOT device that it's sole purpose is to mechanical push a button
[8:18] <Sonny_Jim> *mechanically push
[8:18] <password4> polprog: it would be less overkill actuall
[8:18] <password4> because i already have a server running
[8:19] <polprog> Psi-Jack: can you priv that link to me? im on mobile so falstad would be hard :)
[8:19] <Psi-Jack> polprog: Sure can! I'm about to head to bed as it is.
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[8:19] <Psi-Jack> Ack
[8:19] <Psi-Jack> Sorry proditaki. :)
[8:20] <Psi-Jack> polprog: Ended up using the logic-level mosfets. IRLU024PBF's
[8:21] <Psi-Jack> In this application, they worked just perfectly at 3.3V logic.
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[8:24] <Psi-Jack> polprog: What I ended up finding out was the BC547's, at least at 1k resistors on a logic-level converter, were actually getting hot, and close to frying. The incoming PWM signal at 80Hz 22V wasn't working well with them.
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[8:25] <Psi-Jack> And now... I sleep. :)
[8:25] <password4> what is pixel , and why does it add soo much to the raspbian image? , or do lite have other things removed too?
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[8:27] <tiyteeze> Hi, I've got a raspberrypi 3. It's great. I've got a cooling fan working (the cpu get 20°C cooler with it). The problemn is that every time I use java the cpu is 100% use by it. Is it normal ?
[8:29] <password4> depends on what from java you are running
[8:30] <tiyteeze> it's often a java -jar command
[8:30] <tiyteeze> it's java 7
[8:31] <Sonny_Jim> Bear in mind that it (should) be 100% on one core
[8:31] <Sonny_Jim> Although I'm not 100% sure how Java handles multiple cores
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[8:33] <tiyteeze> But is it a common issue ?
[8:34] <Sonny_Jim> It's Java
[8:34] * Sonny_Jim grumbles
[8:35] <Sonny_Jim> To elaborate, Java isn't really a lightweight language
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[8:35] <binaryhermit> I would link to a bash.org quote regarding java, but it's not compliant with channel rules
[8:35] <polprog> lol
[8:35] <polprog> i think java will distribute threads over cores
[8:35] <Sonny_Jim> Isn't the minecraft-pi client written in Java?
[8:36] <polprog> so make threads - its not a microcontroller :P
[8:38] <polprog> tiyteeze: what program are you running?
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[8:39] <tiyteeze> Sonny_Jim: yes it is
[8:40] <tiyteeze> polprog: Well, any of my java app have the same behaviour. But latelly it is the minecraft-pi client ^^
[8:41] <password4> man , i want to play minecraft again , but my current setup is not able to :(
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[8:50] <tiyteeze> polprog: I mean the minecraft server ^^
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[8:54] <polprog> tiyteeze: well that could go up to 100% even on my lappy, so yeah. it can be 100% non stop idle on pi
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[8:58] <tiyteeze> polprog: Ok thanks
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[11:23] <plop6> hi, iam using hdmi_force_hotplug=1 with hdmi to vga adaptator to get my screen working. but now, my vga screen doesnt turn on sleep mode anymore. how to solve this?
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[11:25] <Sonny_Jim> Any more?
[11:26] <kerio> nu
[11:26] <Sonny_Jim> Has it ever worked with sleep mode and the HDMI->VGA adapter?
[11:26] <kerio> whoops wrong window
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[11:32] <plop6> Sonny_Jim: i think at first boot it did work
[11:32] <plop6> not sure by now with yur interrogation
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[11:33] <plop6> i'am using raspbian lite ( no X )
[11:33] <Sonny_Jim> I wouldn't be surprised if sleep doesn't work with a HDMI->VGA adapter
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[11:33] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, the terminal screen will go blank, but I'm not sure if it'll be able to actually turn the VGA screen off
[11:33] <plop6> in desktop raspbian version sleep mode work
[11:34] <plop6> Sonny_Jim: screengo blank but screen still on( on raspbian lite)
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[11:47] <password4> yo
[11:47] <password4> is there commandline apps to toggle pins on the rpi yet?
[11:47] <password4> I've been out of the loop a whiel :O
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[11:48] <BurtyB> password4, err gpio from wiringpi has been around a while
[11:50] <password4> as long as its not python
[11:50] <password4> L:D
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[11:50] <Sonny_Jim> I think you can echo "1" into something in /proc as well
[11:50] <Sonny_Jim> gordonDrogon's website will probably have the information
[11:52] <password4> I'll have a look as soon as my weekend starts
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[11:53] <password4> going to make a pwm controller for my desk lighting
[11:53] <password4> http://imgur.com/pdWvCzw
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[11:56] <gordonDrogon> gpio mode 1 pwm ; gpio pwm 1 500
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> for the hardware PWM output on bcm_gpio 18/physical 12/wiringPi 1
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> if it's RGB then you'll need to use something else as there are only 2 hardware PWM outputs.
[11:57] <password4> oh , I'm surprised there are pwm at all :D
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[11:58] <password4> even if i ahve to bit bang it , it would be fine
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> is it RBG or just white?
[11:58] <password4> just wite , as in the image above
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[11:58] <gordonDrogon> ok, then just interface a suitable driver and off you go.
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> the default range is 1024, so gpio pwm 1 <range> # range is 0 to 1024
[11:59] <password4> yeah , will try and buy a few supplies today
[12:00] <password4> awesoem
[12:00] <password4> i hope i rememebr , but i am sure its easy to google
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[12:14] <password4> i plan to make my desk fan turn on when my phones alarm goes off :F
[12:14] <password4> :D
[12:14] <password4> so cron jubs
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[12:17] <password4> desk light**
[12:18] <password4> maybe make a web interface too , that would be teh tits
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[12:32] <password4> oh sorry
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[17:17] <TheSilentLink> hi
[17:17] <TheSilentLink> I just updated my kernal and now I get a kernal panic
[17:17] <TheSilentLink> can I boot using the older kernal
[17:17] <TheSilentLink> kernel*
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[17:21] <Sonny_Jim> join-ception
[17:21] <TheSilentLink> sorry misstype
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[17:24] <TheSilentLink> can you fix the kernel with noobs recovery mode?
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[19:03] <illug> Has anyone here set up a personal dev server on a pi?
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[19:14] <Habbie> illug, i'm sure many people have, do you have a more specific question?
[19:14] <IanTLopp> anyone made an ambilight?
[19:14] <Habbie> IanTLopp, i've controlled an rgb led strip from a pi if it counts
[19:15] <plop6> hi
[19:15] <plop6> which xorg-video package does raspberry need?
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[19:15] <IanTLopp> Habbie: I'm wondering what makes it work.
[19:16] <Habbie> IanTLopp, what do you mean?
[19:16] <IanTLopp> basically, from the tutorials, I don't see the interface between the PI and the video playing, so I don't get how the lights are dynamically linked to the video playing.
[19:16] <Habbie> oh that part
[19:16] <Habbie> i haven't looked into that
[19:16] <IanTLopp> yeah, it's bugging me.
[19:17] <methuzla> what tutorial?
[19:18] <IanTLopp> methuzla, one moment, I'll pull one up again.
[19:18] <IanTLopp> http://awesomepi.com/diy-breath-taking-ambilight-for-your-own-tv-raspberry-pi-2-tutorial-part-1/ this is the one I'm skimming through right now.
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[19:20] <Apocx> I think it's generally done via some software that monitors HDMI output and calculates an ambient color value based on what is being display
[19:20] <Apocx> +ed
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[19:21] <Apocx> maybe look into Hyperion, looks like that will do ambilight for the pi
[19:21] <methuzla> appears to be an openelec module
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[19:22] <IanTLopp> the link above IS for the PI
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[19:23] <IanTLopp> and it doesn't show any hdmi connection
[19:23] <methuzla> http://awesomepi.com/part-2-let-there-be-light-installing-ambilight-software-hyperion-in-openelec/
[19:23] <methuzla> the next page goes into the software
[19:23] <IanTLopp> okay, but what about the connections?
[19:23] <Apocx> there you go^
[19:23] <methuzla> to what?
[19:23] <Apocx> the Pi already knows what is being output, you don't need an external monitoring device if that's what you mean
[19:23] <Apocx> just the pi and your lights
[19:24] <IanTLopp> oh wait, so the PI is the media player too?
[19:24] <Apocx> yes
[19:24] <IanTLopp> OH....
[19:24] <methuzla> correct
[19:24] <IanTLopp> I was thinking it was just some module that worked for all video signals.
[19:24] <IanTLopp> YEESH
[19:24] <Apocx> if you want to make an ambilight that works for any generic HDMI signal, that's a bit tougher
[19:24] <IanTLopp> i.e. it would work with cable and computer, etc.
[19:24] <Habbie> IanTLopp, oh that part was clear to me, yes ;)
[19:24] <IanTLopp> Apocx: that's what I'm after - Xbox One ambilight, specifically.
[19:25] <IanTLopp> after we lost illumiroom, ambilight is the next best thing.
[19:25] <IanTLopp> ilumiroom was so much better though :(
[19:25] * IanTLopp cries a bit
[19:25] <Apocx> https://christianmoser.me/how-to-ambilight-for-every-hdmi-source/
[19:25] <Apocx> maybe that can get you started -shrug
[19:25] <Apocx> looks like a daisychain of adapters heh
[19:26] <IanTLopp> thanks Apocx: I shall read through that now.
[19:26] <IanTLopp> which increases signal reflectance with each connection :( HDMI isn't designed for that.
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[19:27] <IanTLopp> still though - I'll look through it and see what I can make of it - see if there's a better solution, etc.
[19:27] <IanTLopp> I have all my video going through a sound receiver, then one cable going from it to the TV, so I could simplify by just doing the one cable
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[19:50] <johnjay> aany ideas on using the rpi as an hd capture device?
[19:51] <johnjay> I tI have aI have a rpi3
[19:51] <johnjay> *mispelling lol
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[19:53] <methuzla> pi camera + raspivid
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[19:55] <johnjay> oh wait oh wait it's usb2.0
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[19:56] <johnjay> nvm, i thought it was usb3 so could do hd size data
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[20:04] <Toerkeium> Hey
[20:04] <Toerkeium> hello everyone
[20:04] <brianx> helo
[20:04] <brianx> l
[20:04] <Toerkeium> I've just found today this raspberry thing. Slow eh?
[20:04] <Toerkeium> could be this raspberry a replacement for arduino?
[20:04] <brianx> slow compared to what?
[20:05] <Toerkeium> to find it, I ment
[20:05] <Toerkeium> it's been there for some years
[20:05] <brianx> it can do some things that the arduino can do, but they're not really competition, they're compliments.
[20:05] <methuzla> ^^
[20:05] <brianx> ahh, yes. pi has been around awhile now.
[20:05] <Toerkeium> oh
[20:06] <johnjay> has anybody broken off connectors on their rpi before? like usb, sd, hd? my tv set has 2/3 hd connectors broken from repeated use
[20:06] <brianx> there is some overlap between pi and arduino, but not a lot.
[20:06] <Toerkeium> brianx: what would be the most importan feature not able in pi which is present at arduino?
[20:06] <Toerkeium> to understand better what it's made for
[20:08] <nevodka> johnjay, i've seen somebody elses board with the usb ports ripped out
[20:08] <brianx> the arduino can do reliable timing to within a few microseconds where linux can't unless you write a kernel module or can use something like pigpio
[20:08] <nevodka> and the pi still functioning
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[20:09] <Toerkeium> brianx: so it's a matter of processing basicaly?
[20:09] <Toerkeium> processing speed?
[20:10] <brianx> Toerkeium: not at all. the pi 3b is nearly 1000 times faster than an uno.
[20:10] <brianx> it's a matter of timing in a multiuser multitasking operating system.
[20:10] <TotemFallico> there was a guy who was trying to show us that the pi3 is worse than the pi2. What do u think guys>
[20:10] <TotemFallico> ?
[20:11] <methuzla> heat
[20:11] <methuzla> what'd the guy say?
[20:11] <Toerkeium> brianx: I think my knowledge don't let me understand your first sentence then
[20:12] <Toerkeium> my lack of knowledge
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[20:13] <Toerkeium> and which programm languages could I use control this raspberry board?
[20:13] <brianx> Toerkeium: the pi is a full fledged linux computer with a complete operating system. as such it doesn't run user programs in real time. the arduino is a microcontroller, it's whole reason for being is to do small tasks in near real time.
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[20:14] <Toerkeium> what do you mean by "run user programs in real time"?
[20:14] <Toerkeium> If you send me to read something I'll understand ;)
[20:15] <brianx> you're going to have to google that. it's beyond something i can really explain in a few words.
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[20:16] <Toerkeium> thanks brianx
[20:16] <Toerkeium> I'll read about it
[20:17] <TotemFallico> methuzla, he claimed something like a 30/40 degrees difference between the pi3 and the pi2 (pi2 was colder) on heavy load (imaging)
[20:17] <TotemFallico> imho, even if it could heat up more (higher clock speed means higher temps) it can't be that much
[20:17] <TotemFallico> he said something like "he can reach over 80 degrees
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[20:18] <brianx> there is also [Saint]'s claim that many of us have defective pi 3B and that only the defective ones get overly hot at high load.
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[20:22] <TotemFallico> Which i kinda support
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[20:23] <TotemFallico> 'cause i've seen many pi3 claiming to be overheating
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[20:23] <TotemFallico> apart from some cases of OC and actual defects, some of the posts were made to try and get a new pi3 for free
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[20:24] <brianx> they claim that they can seriously overclock and then do some big cpu intensive task without thermal limiting. they also say theirs live in server cabinets, so i don't know what kind of airflow they're getting.
[20:25] <brianx> personally, i stopped overclocking mine because any reasonably large task just ran into thermal limiting anyway.
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[20:35] <mfa298> Toerkeium: reading back a bit, The Pi normally runs Linux so is a multiuser/multiprocess environment. i.e. you can have several things running at the same time - effectively it's like a PC but maybe not as powerful.
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[20:35] <johnjay> can the pi run windows 10?
[20:35] <johnjay> i'd like to use it to stream from my xbox one but that requires windows 10 app only
[20:35] <mfa298> arduino (or other microcontrollers) are designed to run a single thing
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[20:36] <pwillard> do one (or few) thing(s)... do them fast and well...
[20:36] <mfa298> johnjay: not full windows 10 like you're used to on a desktop PC. Pi2/Pi3 can run a Windows 10 IOT but it's very different to what you're normally used to
[20:37] <ring0> rofl win10 on rpi :)
[20:37] <johnjay> lol well unfortunately m$ makes it hard to use xbox one with anything
[20:37] <johnjay> their streaming app only covers windows 10
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[20:38] <mfa298> not that rofl, people have been using embedded versions of windows on various things for a long time - I've seen more than one win 2000 boot process on things you wouldn't expect
[20:39] <mfa298> I'm pretty sure one of those things was an ATM machine
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[20:49] <ring0> mfa298, many people do stupid stuff, using windows on anything embedded counts
[20:50] <LotR> s/embedded // ;)
[20:50] <ring0> LotR, actually, you're right :D
[20:51] <mfa298> (maybe unfortunately) MS understand the business market much better then any of the competition.
[20:51] <mfa298> but this isn't really the place for MS bashing.
[20:53] <Toerkeium> I understand mfa298, not sure what a real time user app is yet
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[20:57] <mfa298> Toerkeium: microcontrollers are good for low power tasks and things where you want more accurate timing (potentially into microsecond levels)
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[20:58] <mfa298> getting things to happen at sub-millisecond levels is harder on the Pi as the linux kernel gets in the way with scheduling
[20:59] <statusfailed> Where can I get firmware files (bootcode.bin, start.elf, and config.txt) for model 2B ?
[21:00] <Habbie> statusfailed, i tend to grab them from a running pi :)
[21:00] <Habbie> statusfailed, failing that, i would probably grap a raspbian image and extract them
[21:00] <Toerkeium> mfa298: ah, understand mfa298. Lets say that to control leds at home, I'm safe with raspberry
[21:00] <Toerkeium> :)
[21:01] <statusfailed> Habbie: OK, that's what I figured - just hoping there was a smaller download :D
[21:01] <Habbie> statusfailed, that said, i bet the repository used by rpi-update (which most people should not be using) has them for you
[21:01] <statusfailed> thanks!
[21:01] <Habbie> statusfailed, https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware
[21:02] <mfa298> Toerkeium: for basic controlling of leds (turning them on/off) then Pi or arduino could work, Pi might be easier to write code for and you can add web interfaces etc. arduino would give something lower power.
[21:03] <statusfailed> Habbie: weird, I can't seem to find where bootcode.bin gets downloaded :|
[21:03] <mfa298> if you needed to send accuratly timmed pulses (as some rgb led's use) then you may find something like an arduino gives the timing better - In a case like that you might want to use both a Pi and microcontroller
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[21:04] <statusfailed> Some beagleboards have these "PRU" units attached which are basically 200MHz microcontrollers
[21:05] <statusfailed> mfa298, Toerkeium
[21:05] <statusfailed> they seem kinda neat but I don't know much about them
[21:06] <mfa298> statusfailed: there are tricks to get better timing from a Pi as well.
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[21:08] <statusfailed> mfa298: like boot without an OS? :D
[21:08] <mfa298> as I think brianx said earlier, Pi (or other SBCs) and microcontrollers (like the arduino) are different things that can compliment each other (rather than being direct competitors)
[21:08] <Habbie> statusfailed, i don't understand the 'where bootcode.bin gets downloaded' question
[21:08] <Habbie> mfa298, 'you are a really nice board' 'thank you, you are not so bad yourself!'
[21:08] <Habbie> complimenting boards
[21:09] <statusfailed> Habbie: I just realised I was looking at a different repository ^^
[21:09] <Habbie> statusfailed, ah!
[21:09] <statusfailed> yours has many more files
[21:09] <statusfailed> haha
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[21:10] <mfa298> bare metal (no OS) is one option on the Pi, You can also give a particular thread/process extra properties to run in a more real time scheduler
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[21:12] <statusfailed> ah right
[21:12] * mfa298 wonders if he complimented one of his SBCs (not a Pi) more it would help it stay connected to wifi
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[21:14] <mfa298> failing that I could add an avr to compliment it by getting the avr to login over serial, try a ping and reconnect wifi if the ping fails :)
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[21:21] <Toerkeium> thanks everyone for the help
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[21:21] <Toerkeium> I'll start playing with it
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[21:36] <Toerkeium> which program languages are supported by raspberry to control electronics?
[21:37] <mfa298> pretty much any language you want to use I suspect.
[21:37] <Toerkeium> mfa298: really? I can work with php to control device input and outputs?
[21:38] <mfa298> php might be one of the harder ones to use (especially if you're trying to do it from a browser with apache+mod_php)
[21:38] <mfa298> although I think it has been done.
[21:39] <Toerkeium> interesting
[21:39] <mfa298> I have seen a gpio library for php, although I think that was more aimed at cli based php scripts rather than web based stuff
[21:40] <mfa298> python is probably the best supported language, with a lot of people also using Ruby, Basic, NodeJS
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[21:40] <Toerkeium> so the issue with php would be the execution permission
[21:41] <Toerkeium> like in any other OS
[21:41] <Toerkeium> ?
[21:42] <Habbie> Toerkeium, yes
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[21:43] <Toerkeium> great
[21:43] <Toerkeium> now I'll have to see which OS is best
[21:44] <Toerkeium> and first to find out what I want to do :P
[21:44] <mfa298> I think the php security model is what makes gpio more tricky for php with a web browser, also querying gpio states per page request may make page loading times slower.
[21:44] <Toerkeium> again, thank you
[21:44] <mfa298> for OS best option is probably raspbian or raspbian lite
[21:44] <Toerkeium> excellent
[21:44] <mfa298> raspbian lite doen't have a gui or other stuff installed so it good for a server type setup.
[21:44] <Toerkeium> I'll start with it
[21:45] <Toerkeium> ah, great
[21:46] <mfa298> If you want a web based control system for LEDs (or other gpio) you might want to look at python+flask, ruby+sinatra or Node.JS. They're all probably as capable as php and might be easier to work with gpio from.
[21:48] <Toerkeium> I'll take some readings in the weekend
[21:49] <Toerkeium> interesting stuff
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[22:04] <Bilz> hi. ive set up duckdns to access my pi over the internet. i have set up port forward on both port 22 and port 80 through the router. I can access mydomain.duckdns.org on port 80 and get to my pi fine. I can't seem to ssh into it though. I am able to ssh directly to my pi through my ip4 address (not my local network address). any ideas what the issue could be?
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[22:14] <leftyfb> Bilz: maybe your ISP is blocking ssh?
[22:14] <Bilz> leftyfb, nope. like i said, i can use my web ip to ssh to myself
[22:15] <Bilz> and i can use mydomain.duckdns.org to access port 80
[22:15] <leftyfb> huh?
[22:15] <Bilz> but i can't seem to use mydomain.duckdns.org to ssh
[22:15] <leftyfb> oh, you can use the ip, but not the dns to ssh
[22:15] <Bilz> yeah
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[22:16] <leftyfb> that makes no sense
[22:16] <Bilz> i know
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[22:18] <leftyfb> Bilz: care to share the dns here for further troubleshooting?
[22:18] <leftyfb> or in a pm
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[22:20] <Bilz> leftyfb, afraid not, i'm sorry but I'm a little paranoid on that front
[22:20] <brianx> Bilz: what does nslookup mydomain.duckdns.org from the machine that you're trying to ssh FROM return, is the ip right?
[22:21] <Habbie> (whenever possible, please prefer dig or even ping over nslookup)
[22:21] <Bilz> brianx, under Non-authoratative answer, it's the right ip address
[22:21] <brianx> good Bilz.
[22:21] <Bilz> pinging works fine
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[22:21] <brianx> is the host you're trying to ssh into your pi?
[22:22] <Habbie> Bilz, add -v to your ssh invocation
[22:22] <leftyfb> Bilz: do you have the dns setup in your /etc/hosts or something?
[22:22] <Bilz> and as i said, i can access mydomain.duckdns.org through a browser just find from outside the network and see my page
[22:22] <Bilz> debug1: Connecting to mydomain.duckdns.org [corrent ip6 ip address] when using -v with ssh
[22:22] <Bilz> but it just hangs there
[22:23] <Habbie> can you do 'telnet mydomain.duckdns.org 80'
[22:23] <Bilz> brianx, yes it is
[22:23] <Bilz> Habbie, yes i can
[22:23] <Habbie> and show us what happens?
[22:23] <Bilz> oh im sorry
[22:23] <Bilz> i can't. that's weird
[22:23] <Habbie> but web works?
[22:23] <Habbie> in a browser?
[22:23] <Bilz> yep
[22:23] <brianx> Bilz: and the machine you're trying to ssh FROM, (i'm going to call this your "desktop") is it on the same LAN as the pi is?
[22:23] <Habbie> there's an interesting distinction
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[22:24] <Bilz> brianx, yes it is. but i've also turned wifi off on my phone and used 4g to connect to both mydomain.duckdns.org through the brwoser (works fine) and ssh to my ip4 ip address (Works fine)
[22:24] <leftyfb> Bilz: ssh -4 mydomain.duckdns.org
[22:24] <Habbie> -4 is a good call
[22:25] <Bilz> that works
[22:25] <Bilz> how come??
[22:25] <brianx> Bilz: this is a common issue. your firewall is set to handle the snat feature for port 80, but not for port 22.
[22:25] <leftyfb> brianx: nope
[22:25] <leftyfb> ipv6 vs ipv4
[22:25] <brianx> leftyfb: i see that 6 works.
[22:25] <Bilz> ahh right
[22:25] <leftyfb> brianx: ipv6 only works with http in his case. Not ssh
[22:26] <Bilz> yeah -6 doesn't work for me
[22:26] <leftyfb> though it might be his browser converting it to ipv4 or something so ipv6 probably doesn't work at all
[22:26] <Bilz> thanks
[22:26] <Bilz> using chrome
[22:26] <Bilz> (if relevant)
[22:26] <leftyfb> couldn't tell ya, only guessing
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[22:28] <Habbie> 20:25Z <leftyfb> brianx: ipv6 only works with http in his case. Not ssh
[22:28] <Habbie> if it was in a browser
[22:28] <Habbie> the browser will have tried both at the same time
[22:30] <Bilz> dang
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[22:31] <Bilz> would you lookat that. juicessh supports ip4 automagically :D
[22:31] <Bilz> (android ssh app)
[22:31] <Habbie> juicessh is great
[22:31] <Habbie> although in this case it just relies on ssh doing the right thing i think
[22:32] <shauno> I wouldn't surprised if android's using happy eyeballs (fast fallback) system-wide
[22:33] <Habbie> shauno, good 'question', they surely could do that as they sit snugly between you and libc
[22:33] <Habbie> shauno, but juicessh uses an actual ssh binary that actually uses libc
[22:34] <shauno> I've actually no idea how android handles that, or what's providing getaddrinfo. just strikes me that if they'll do it with chrome, they'd do it everywhere given the chance. and android gives them the chance
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[22:45] <funkster> I have a monitor running my RPI and where the buttons on front of monitor are touch sensitive, what thin material can I cover it with to disable the touch? I tried a electric tape, didn't work.
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[22:47] <nacelle> some kind of metal tape might work
[22:48] <nacelle> but it might also be bad :)
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[22:49] <funkster> nacelle: hahah, yes.
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[22:51] <mfa298> Bilz: install the IPVfoo addon to chome and you can see if it's using IPv4 or IPv6
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[23:46] <sware> does anyone have an example of loading a shader for doing work with the pi. Don't need to display anything just work with data
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[23:56] <brianx> does anyone have a clue why gordonDrogon's wiringpi doesn't install under stretch? running apt install wiringpi returns E: Unable to locate package wiringpi
[23:57] <brianx> this is jessie lite upgraded to stretch.
[23:57] <ShorTie> just get it from github
[23:57] <brianx> ShorTie: bypassing the installer means no updates or patches.
[23:58] <ShorTie> plugwash might know
[23:59] <ShorTie> no it doesn't, 'git pull' does all of that
[23:59] <plugwash> brianx, in what way did you change sources.list and any files in sources.list.d to perform this upgrade?

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