#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2017-04-29

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[0:00] <brianx> yes, getting it...
[0:01] <brianx> deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ stretch main ui
[0:01] <brianx> deb-src http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ stretch main ui
[0:01] <brianx> plugwash ^^^
[0:02] <plugwash> I don't think the raspberry pi foundation repo has a stretch section yet
[0:02] <plugwash> you may or may not be able to use their jessie repo on stretch, it's worth a try anyway
[0:03] <brianx> ok, i'll see.
[0:09] <johnjay> kkkkk
[0:09] <brianx> i got the upgrade from raspberrypi.org. not sure what it did if there is no stretch yet.
[0:09] <johnjay> any idea on sd cards? class 4 vs class 10? sandisk vs generic?
[0:10] <brianx> os-release says VERSION="9 (stretch)"
[0:10] <johnjay> this one post says that his rpi boots up 4x faster with class 10
[0:10] <CoJaBo> johnjay: YMMV
[0:10] <brianx> johnjay: it's not that simple.
[0:10] <ShorTie> class 10 are nice
[0:10] <CoJaBo> Counterfeit cards are common, and will screw up the results massively.
[0:11] <brianx> there are people who have posted in various forum posts with make and model of specific cards and the performance they got.
[0:11] <johnjay> should i stick to mainbrand like the ones I mentioned and avoid generics?
[0:11] * GenteelBen sniffs CoJaBo
[0:12] <ShorTie> been using TeamGroup U1/C10, they seem fine to me
[0:12] <GenteelBen> Smells like blackberry and pomegranate
[0:12] <brianx> that depends on your goals. i am very happy with a couple generics that i own. i use them for scratch machines and have saved a few bucks.
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> brianx, no idea. maybe its not included...
[0:12] <doomlord> anyone looked into 'e-ink displays' r.e. a low-power setup.
[0:12] <GenteelBen> CoJaBo: whatever happened to CaBaJo or whatever his name was?
[0:13] <brianx> gordonDrogon: ok. i'm seeing if this thing will downgrade back to jessie.
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[0:13] <CoJaBo> GenteelBen: The registration was dropped, IIRC; not sure if staff did it or he did
[0:13] <johnjay> brianx: right now I have the 8gb microsd that came with the pi, but i need another one for "serious" stuff
[0:14] <johnjay> i'm not streaming from an hd camera or anything
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[0:14] <johnjay> would a class 4 be ok for everyday use?
[0:14] <brianx> gordonDrogon: looks like it is missing from stretch. i downgraded to jessie and it's there again. i guess this is what happens with alpha software.
[0:14] <ShorTie> sure
[0:14] <CoJaBo> johnjay: Only way to know for sure is to test it
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> brianx, it ought to be fine installed from source though.
[0:16] <GenteelBen> CoJaBo so he was a stalker?
[0:16] <GenteelBen> I thought he was just some random dude who had a very similar nick to you.
[0:17] <CoJaBo> GenteelBen: I never found out for sure.
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[0:17] <johnjay> CoJaBo: it's 2017 and you don't know if a 4GB card can be ok for typical use? o_0
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[0:18] <brianx> gordonDrogon: i'd prefer to stick to the package manager for this. for the moment, i'm just going to assume raspbian stretch just isn't ready enough.
[0:20] <GenteelBen> johnjay: class 4 is 4MB/s read/write sustained minimum.
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[0:20] <Quatroking> Hi
[0:20] <GenteelBen> So the question is, do you do anything for which 4MB/s isn't enough?
[0:20] <GenteelBen> 4MB/s is 32Mbit/s.
[0:20] <Quatroking> Is the micro-usb port on the rpi 3b for power only, or can I also use it to access the filesystem when plugged into a computer
[0:20] <johnjay> hmm well like I said i don't have an hd camera
[0:21] <GenteelBen> Pretty much the only thing that'll exceed 32Mbit/s is DSLR photography and videography.
[0:21] <johnjay> but I assume I would be doing things like web browsing or ftp ing files
[0:21] <ShorTie> power only
[0:21] <johnjay> right
[0:21] <johnjay> that's what I thought, thanks
[0:21] <GenteelBen> Well, if you're installing an OS to it I'd look at random read/write performance.
[0:21] <brianx> GenteelBen: the important qualifier on that is that it's sequential read/write. random read/write is very very different on many cards.
[0:21] <GenteelBen> It's typically not great on SD cards / USB sticks / etc.
[0:22] <GenteelBen> 'Cus the NAND used in those are factory reject cells which would've gone into SSDs if they didn't have terrible performance.
[0:22] <Quatroking> ShorTie, thanks
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[0:22] <Quatroking> It should power on just fine when plugged into a computer, right
[0:22] <batch> anyone else have problems with cgi and apache in raspberry pi zero ?
[0:23] <CoJaBo> GenteelBen: SD chips are quite different from SSD chips (excluding cheapo ones from china); the lower capacities are still just rejects of larger-capacity chips tho.
[0:24] <CoJaBo> E.g., manufacturer will make a million 200GB chips, and sell the ones with only 2GB of usable storage, as 2GB cards.
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[0:24] <mfa298> Quatroking: a PC USB port may not supply enough current for the Pi3 to run properly.
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[0:25] <Quatroking> even on usb3?
[0:25] <mfa298> USB2 is specced for 500mA max, the Pi3 can draw 2500mA if there's stuff on it's USB ports
[0:25] <CoJaBo> I've never tried a pi3, but older ones, I've never had issues powering pi+wifi off a laptop usb port
[0:26] * CoJaBo should grab a pi3 to try this lol
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[0:26] <shauno> it depends how well behaved the computer is. we're kinda lucky in that most things don't actually obey the specs
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[0:26] <Quatroking> Well the computer would be a business-grade HP server so I'd assume it's up to specs
[0:27] <mfa298> It can depend on the PC you're powering from, on the first Pi I've had it work on some PC USB ports but not others.
[0:27] <johnjay> I asked my bro and he said the cheapest sd cards he could find were 5 for $30 on ebay
[0:27] <johnjay> class 4's
[0:27] <shauno> you'd be surprised. servers actually care less about usb. they're happy if they can boot off a thumbdrive
[0:27] <mfa298> if it's up to spec then it migt be more likely to not work (it should be limiting what you can draw)
[0:27] <shauno> but, eg, my laptop will deliver up to 2100mA. according to the specs, it shouldn't go past 500 without negotiation - and the pi doesn't negotiate
[0:27] <mfa298> a non spec PC might let you draw more power from USB that you're supposed to
[0:28] <Quatroking> Hm
[0:28] <CoJaBo> johnjay: You can pretty much completely ignore the brand and class number if buying them from ebay. If the seller is sketchy, ignore the capacity as well.
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[0:28] <Quatroking> Yeah wikipedia says that the max current is 900mA
[0:28] <Quatroking> on the usb3 spec
[0:28] <Quatroking> Huh, that's actually quite low
[0:28] <johnjay> this was said kingston though
[0:29] <shauno> there's a separate spec, the 'usb charging spec', that tends to cover this more than usb itself
[0:29] <johnjay> so i think it's a good deal
[0:29] <mfa298> I just run my Pi's from a good branded (mostly raspberry Pi branded) PSU, that way I know the PSU is unlikely to be an issue
[0:29] <johnjay> for some trying out different OS should I just buy a real sandisk from amazon?
[0:29] <CoJaBo> johnjay: It might say Kingston class 4, but it will be a chinese counterfeit that may be anywhere from class4 or below, to class10 or above.
[0:29] <Quatroking> Heck I can probably use my phone to power it through otg with more than 900mA
[0:30] <binaryhermit> ebay's a good way to get defrauded
[0:30] * binaryhermit totally wanted to state that in a more colorful way
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[0:30] <CoJaBo> johnjay: Worse, it might say 32GB, but only have 1GB of storage; so your data just gets obliterated.
[0:31] <johnjay> well can i trust used on amazon at least?
[0:31] <johnjay> or do i need to buy officially from amazon to get real goods?
[0:31] <Quatroking> I have bought several sd cards from aliexpress before, as long as you buy from a seller with high ratings you're usually fine and if it doesn't pass a basic writing test you can just get your money back through filing a dispute
[0:32] <CoJaBo> johnjay: Amazon is hit or miss.
[0:32] <Quatroking> downside: two cards arrived with literally no writing on it, so I had to use a sharpie
[0:32] <johnjay> well i give up then. unless maybe sparkfun or adafruit would have legit goods
[0:32] <Quatroking> but hey i saved a couple bucks!
[0:33] <brianx> Quatroking: that's where i get my scratch cards too. so far so good, but i don't even bother to test performance on them.
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[0:33] <CoJaBo> Quatroking: I have one of those; came with some knockoff item I got off amazon. Works better than some of the supposedly-genuine cards I've gotten from walmart lol
[0:33] <johnjay> define "scratch card". i'm wanting to install different OS's to test them out like windows IOT or rassbian
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[0:34] <Quatroking> CoJaBo, my best usb-sticks come from aliexpress :)
[0:35] <johnjay> "he Chinese online retailer Alibaba is using AliExpress to expand its reach outside of Asia and challenge online giants like Amazon and eBay"
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[0:35] <Quatroking> I have a couple of these, without the sony logo: http://i.imgur.com/bFFLoSe.png
[0:35] <brianx> johnjay: my scratch cards are for builds that i don't intend to put any useful data on. testing out an install, working on a blog post that has to start from a base install so that i have all the steps, things like that.
[0:35] <Quatroking> exact copies with metal casing and everything, works fine and passes dd
[0:36] <johnjay> so what's more likely to work, buying a brand new sandisk from amazon or a high rating seller on aliexpress?
[0:36] <Quatroking> both?
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[0:36] <Quatroking> I mean it's really a matter of price and speed of shipping at this point
[0:37] <Quatroking> amazon costs a bit more but ships instantly, aliexpress is a bit cheaper but can take up to a month if you're unlucky
[0:37] <johnjay> well if it's all a crapshoot anyway i may as well buy amazon since it's already logged in in my browser
[0:37] <mfa298> the sandisk ultras I've got from amazon all seem to be fine, but check where it's coming from first.
[0:38] <mfa298> cheap amazon marketplace sellers might mean fakes
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[0:38] <shauno> eh, I don't worry about that so much. if there's owt wrong, amazon will bat for you
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[0:38] <Quatroking> always test before using it I guess
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[0:39] <johnjay> dumb question but do i need sd cards or micro sd cards for rpi3? i haven't gotten mine yet but it said it had an adapter for microsd
[0:39] <oq> shauno: amazon bats for you for stuff sold BY amazon not stuff sold ON amazon
[0:39] <johnjay> so i suppose that means it takes sd typically?
[0:39] <Quatroking> micro
[0:39] <mfa298> even if places will deal with the fakes its still wasted effort/time
[0:39] <oq> if you have an issue with a marketplace seller amazon will tell you to just take it up with them
[0:40] <Quatroking> amazon doesn't function as an escrow service?
[0:40] <shauno> I've never had a problem with that
[0:41] <Quatroking> I got a rpi 3b coming in the mail tomorrow, I plan on throwing plex and retropie/retroarch on it
[0:41] <Quatroking> is it a smart idea to store all media for plex and retrowhatever on a network share on my server, to save on SD writes/reads?
[0:41] <mfa298> some of how well amazon works for you may depend on where you are in the world. I'd just tell them sale of good act and not fit for purpose - sort it and know I've got the law on my side.
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[0:42] <oq> Quatroking: if you can, probably
[0:42] <CoJaBo> If your wifi signal doesn't suck, sure :P
[0:42] <mfa298> which is not so easy if buying from china on the likes of alibaba
[0:42] <Quatroking> haha, ethernet all the way
[0:42] <CoJaBo> I really should run eth to the tv someday
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[0:43] <johnjay> crap looks like all newer pis use microSD exclusively
[0:43] <johnjay> that pic I saw must have been the original pi
[0:43] <Quatroking> mfa298, in my experience chinese sellers on aliexpress care too much about their beloved 5 star ratings that they give out refunds without even having to send back the product
[0:43] <Quatroking> I've had gba games come in that didn't work and a simple photo was enough
[0:44] <mfa298> Quatroking: that's often true, but usually less legal backup if they don't want to refund.
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[0:44] <shauno> johnjay: yeah. only the og pi is full-sd. b+, b2, b3, zero, all micro-sd
[0:44] <Quatroking> I get your point though
[0:44] <CoJaBo> I seem to have lost my b+
[0:44] <Quatroking> do note that aliexpress also functions as escrow and until the order is considered completed, the seller doesn't receive a dime
[0:44] <CoJaBo> :/
[0:45] <Quatroking> disputes block completion and are pro-customer by default
[0:45] <Quatroking> but I do get your point with the legal stuff because hey, what's my local police department going to do with some dude in a warehouse in shenzen?
[0:45] <CoJaBo> I have reached the point in pi-ownership where I neither know how many I own, nor am able to locate all of them.
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[0:46] <mfa298> CoJaBo: heh, I know that feeling (mostly with my Pi1Bs)
[0:46] <shauno> it doesn't seem to matter how many I own. I lose microsd cards quick enough that I can onyl ever use 3 pi
[0:46] <johnjay> hmm well i could get 5 for $30 sandisk from amzn or 5 kingston for $30 off ebay: http://a.co/4wr1PR7
[0:47] <Quatroking> i use an old cookie tin for my micro sd cards
[0:47] * Quatroking still loses them
[0:47] <CoJaBo> shauno: rofl
[0:47] <CoJaBo> I have never lost a microsd
[0:47] <CoJaBo> I'm just too damn paranoid with them
[0:47] <shauno> seriously? they're small enough that they'll just disappear into cracks in space and time
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[0:47] <Quatroking> same with my usb sticks by the way, I'm sure I own 10+ of them but I only have 4 in the cookie tin
[0:47] <Quatroking> no clue where the others are
[0:48] <shauno> my other problem is that the couch is very picky about what cards it eats. no matter how many 32gig cards I buy, the ones I can find are 1-2gig
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[0:49] <mfa298> I think I can find all my decent sandisk uSD cards, but then they all have a Pi wrapped around them.
[0:50] <mfa298> I'm sure the SD cards for my Pi1's keep going walkabout though
[0:50] <mfa298> as do the SD-uSD adapters - which should have all gone into the box of storage devices but there's fewer there than there shoudl be
[0:51] <oq> I end up stealing my pi's sd cards for booting esxi etc on my server
[0:51] <oq> think one has a copy of grub, just grub
[0:52] <johnjay> all the packs from aliexpress are diff sizes
[0:52] <johnjay> like 8,16,32,64
[0:52] <johnjay> i just want 5 16GB micro sd cards
[0:53] <johnjay> sothis guy has 98.5% positive feedback: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hot-sale-32GB-micro-sd-card-8GB-16GB-C10-mini-TF-64GB-memory-card-SDHC-SDXC/32796076350.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10065_10151_10068_10130_10136_10137_10060_10138_10155_10062_10156_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10103_10102_10096_10148_10147_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10178_10110_10111_1011
[0:53] <johnjay> oops sorry
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[0:54] <brianx> you can trim that down to https://www.aliexpress.com/item//32796076350.html
[0:54] <oq> an sd with the exact same branding as an sandisk ultra with a different name isn't a redflag to you?
[0:57] <nacelle> kwalatee 100% greentead
[0:57] <johnjay> idk, I've never shopped in china before
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[0:58] <brianx> johnjay: assume it's poorly made and barely meets everything explicitly spelled out and nothing more.
[0:59] <johnjay> well if it's the same on amzon then it's no biggie right
[0:59] <johnjay> i mean that's basically what i understand from waht you've said
[0:59] <brianx> johnjay: my pet peeve with sellers lately is that they specify one carrier in their listing and then use Yanwen Economic Air Mail instead.
[0:59] <johnjay> well i don't need them right away
[1:00] <johnjay> so this aliexpress sounds like a good option for me
[1:00] <brianx> johnjay: yes, there are china sellers going directly via amazon too. they usually charge 2x as much but you get amazon customer support behind the sale.
[1:00] <Quatroking> rpi just runs a variation of debian, right
[1:01] <Quatroking> my kit comes with "NOOBS"
[1:01] <johnjay> so should I go with that seller or find one that is 99% feedback you think?
[1:01] <shauno> there's several, but yeah, the most common is rasbian, a debian-derivative
[1:01] <johnjay> idk if it matters if it looks like a 'knockoff' or not
[1:01] <Quatroking> johnjay, what size do you need
[1:01] <johnjay> for OSes. so i asssume 8 or 16 correct?
[1:01] <johnjay> windows IOT, various linuxes etc
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[1:02] <Quatroking> https://www.aliexpress.com/category/4406/memory-cards.html?site=glo&SortType=total_weight_score_desc
[1:02] <Quatroking> any of the top few should work fine
[1:03] <brianx> johnjay: feedback on aliexpress is kinda manipulated. 99% means of transactions that have closed, 99% of them were 3 or more stars. you can't close a transaction unless you mark it received so a vendor who sells good stuff for 6 months then stops shipping anything at all will still have a 99% rating for several months.
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[1:03] <johnjay> lol nice. how did you sort by weight score, I don't even see that as an option on the apge
[1:03] <johnjay> *page
[1:03] <Quatroking> I never look at the procents, just the scores
[1:04] <Quatroking> sort by seller rating
[1:04] <brianx> ^^^
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[1:04] <Quatroking> btw I did notice that higher rated sellers tend to be faster when it comes to shipping, no idea why
[1:05] <Quatroking> it all arrives in gray bags anyways
[1:05] <johnjay> Quatroking: you mean you only look at the stars/5 for a specific item
[1:05] <johnjay> not the seller's overall feedback rating?
[1:05] <Quatroking> I look at their overall rating
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[1:06] <Quatroking> as well as the amount of orders on an item
[1:06] <Quatroking> for example those top sd cards have order counts in the thousands
[1:07] <johnjay> lol the first i clicked on has 300 orders
[1:07] <johnjay> but yes i see that
[1:07] <Quatroking> 300 is still fine
[1:07] <Quatroking> it's more when they have like a handful of them that it's a bit off
[1:07] <Quatroking> heh, this seller actually recommends using a quality usb 3.0 card reader with h2testw to check the card on arrival: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Netac-Micro-SD-Class-10-16GB-32GB-64GB-128GB-Card-UHS-I-Flash-Memory-Device-40MB/32641260616.html
[1:08] <johnjay> i'm not even sure why you'd want a 16,32, and 64 set
[1:08] <johnjay> if they all for OSes then they should be about 16 correct?
[1:08] <Quatroking> set?
[1:08] <johnjay> yeah several of these are a 5 pack
[1:08] <johnjay> with a single 8, a single 16, a single 32, etc
[1:09] <Quatroking> nah you select the capacity you want
[1:09] <johnjay> oh ok
[1:09] <Quatroking> :P
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[1:09] <johnjay> i just want some assurance to feel better that this is superior to ordering off ebay. :D
[1:10] <brianx> it's pretty equivalent.
[1:10] <johnjay> dont' want those wily chinese to steal my credit card or something
[1:10] <Quatroking> to be honest I personally don't use ebay because I don't trust paypal
[1:10] <Quatroking> they haven't stolen mine yet after 100+ orders
[1:10] <Quatroking> the seller doesn't get your info, so that helps
[1:10] <Quatroking> all they get is your name and address to send it to
[1:11] <Quatroking> payment is done via aliexpress themselves
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[1:11] <johnjay> i guess they are essentially the chinese amazon right?
[1:11] <Quatroking> which is also why it's getting more popular here in The Netherlands; they started supporting our national online payment system about two years ago
[1:11] <johnjay> i wonder what kinds of crazy shit you can get off there that you can't off amazon
[1:12] <Quatroking> Yeah Alibaba is literally chinese Amazon, they own a ton of companies and websites
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[1:12] <Quatroking> well for one you can buy entire bouncy castles
[1:13] <johnjay> lol...
[1:13] <Quatroking> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/40ft-spiderman-inflatable-obstacle-course-for-sale-with-2-blowers/32548359708.html
[1:13] <Quatroking> only $5000 in shipping
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[1:14] <sware> does anyone have an example of loading a shader for doing work with the pi. Don't need to display anything just work with data
[1:14] <johnjay> hmm amazon shows the sandisk 16GB as $8.46, and both those top results on aliexpress are more expensive it says. like $8.86
[1:15] <Quatroking> if the price is nearly equal I always go for the fastest option
[1:15] <johnjay> makes sense. and 16GB is fine for OS right?
[1:15] <johnjay> i've never owned a pi before and i know retropi is 8GB
[1:16] <Quatroking> I think so, my debian install on my server is only about 3gb I think?
[1:17] <brianx> 16gb is fine. i only just recently stopped buying 16gb in favor of 32gb.
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[1:19] <johnjay> oh wait i think you're right. the kingston brand is 5 bucks on ali but 12 on amazon
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[1:19] <johnjay> so it is half price
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[1:19] <johnjay> why did you switch?
[1:21] <Quatroking> it's probably not real kingston but as long as the tests are ok, who cares right
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[1:24] <johnjay> why does it say free shipping to US?
[1:24] <johnjay> that's kinda weird
[1:24] <Quatroking> china subsidizes commercial mail
[1:25] <Quatroking> plus they send it via bulk so each products costs the seller only a couple cents
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[1:27] <johnjay> hmm so it's US $35.44 from ali vs $51 from US
[1:28] <johnjay> not same "brand" ofc since you said it doesnt' matter
[1:28] <johnjay> is aliexpress good for electronics too?
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[1:28] <johnjay> i know sparkfun and adafruit are often used for hobbyist stuff
[1:28] <Quatroking> all my arduino stuff comes from aliexpress
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[1:28] <Quatroking> including my arduinos, they sell clones for like $3 a piece
[1:29] <johnjay> interesting. i forget how much my arduino from amazon cost
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[1:31] <Quatroking> you can get packs of LEDs for real cheap too
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[1:31] <Quatroking> 500 leds in 5 colors for like $5
[1:31] <Quatroking> sure as hell is cheaper than the 8 cents per led they charge in my country
[1:32] <johnjay> I bought an Arduino Uno R3 from amzn for $12.96
[1:33] <johnjay> yeah amzn is saying 100 LEDS for that much
[1:34] <johnjay> so ali is in genral better for electronics or just some specific items?
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[1:34] <Quatroking> I did have some stuff be dead on arrival but a quick dispute got my money back in days
[1:35] <Quatroking> i guess it helps a lot when the seller only receives the money from ali when the order is considered to be completed
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[1:37] <Quatroking> btw check up on your country's customs fees
[1:38] <Quatroking> chinese sellers tend to undervalue on the sticker which is technically not legal (but fault lays with the seller) but even so, if the value is too high customs might ask you to pay import fees or stuff like that
[1:38] <Quatroking> for example here in the netherlands I have to pay VAT if the value is above 21 euros
[1:38] <Quatroking> plus import fees
[1:38] <shauno> and if there's free shipping, split big orders across multiple orders, so no one order looks too 'expensive'
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[1:39] <Quatroking> hahaha yeah I do that all the time
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[1:40] <Quatroking> my best buy so far is my HP calculator
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[1:40] <Quatroking> it's a genuine unit but there's no serial number on the back, haha
[1:41] <Quatroking> paid 20 bucks on it incl shipping, works amazing
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[1:41] <johnjay> why would you want an hp calculator?
[1:41] <Quatroking> it's a graphic calculator
[1:42] <Quatroking> I needed one for classes and I didn't want to buy a 100 buck texas instruments calculator
[1:42] <Quatroking> the HP calculator was about 45 bucks if I bought it local
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[1:47] <johnjay> what did it cost on ali?
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[1:57] <Quatroking> 20
[1:58] <johnjay> bleh, I tried to add aliexpress to my firefox search engine list
[1:58] <johnjay> but instead it added it as an extra icon on the right side
[1:58] <Quatroking> their search engine is... icky
[1:58] <johnjay> which is already full of a bunch of crap
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[1:58] <Quatroking> hell their sorting has been weird for years, where sorting on name gives a different amount of items than sorting on price
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[2:01] <Quatroking> https://www.aliexpress.com/category/502/electronic-components-supplies.html
[2:02] <johnjay> well i guess people have been doing this for years
[2:02] <johnjay> but i just figured out firefox lets you drag and drop items to that toolbar thing
[2:02] <johnjay> i took my add blocker away and put my video downloader there
[2:04] <johnjay> lol wtf
[2:04] <johnjay> whenever i type something like "hp calculator" into the ali ssearch box add on
[2:04] <johnjay> it searches "hp-calculator" and says it found nothing. piece of junk
[2:05] <Quatroking> yeah like I said it's icky
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[2:06] <johnjay> i tried xbox one and at least "xbox-one" found some stuff
[2:06] <Quatroking> yeah their videogame catagory is filled with parts for xbox and playstation controllers
[2:06] <Quatroking> mostly joysticks and buttons
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[2:06] <johnjay> so the only reason people don't just ship everything from ali is that customs slaps on some fees if it's too big an order?
[2:07] <Quatroking> That plus the shipping time is long compared to local
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[2:07] <Quatroking> for example I ordered my rpi 3b at an electronics store about six hours ago and it'll arrive tomorrow morning
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[2:09] <shauno> support's a big one too. for significant purchases (eg, xbox) I want a vendor I can hold accountable
[2:09] <Quatroking> Yeah that's true
[2:09] <johnjay> lol i can't search for playstaion 3 on ali
[2:09] <johnjay> all i get are controllers, boards, cables, and accessories
[2:09] <Quatroking> I'd never order a phone off aliexpress, other than a dumbphone
[2:09] <Quatroking> sounds about right, johnjay
[2:09] <Quatroking> they don't have the actual console
[2:10] <shauno> I thought most consoles were region-locked? so you wouldn't want one from china anyway
[2:10] <johnjay> oh ok
[2:10] <johnjay> i was trying to find a large item to see how much you could save on shipping
[2:10] <Quatroking> ps3 is region free except for a handful of multiplayer games I think?
[2:10] <Quatroking> not including BR movies of course
[2:11] <shauno> no idea. I only know the playstation from the original
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[2:11] <shauno> but I thought they did the same thing as dvds. people used to get them chipped to play .jp imports
[2:12] <shauno> still, I think ali's mostly great for things that are cheap enough that you can just shrug if you get burnt
[2:12] <Quatroking> I just checked, Sony has been region-free since the PS3
[2:12] <Quatroking> while it's possible to create region-locked games for the ps4 sony discourages it
[2:12] <Quatroking> Sounds about right, shauno
[2:13] <Quatroking> also it's absolutely perfect for phone covers and cases
[2:13] <Quatroking> here in NL there's these stores that specialize in phone cases and stuff and they sell the exact same products but for 5 times the price of what you'd pay on ali
[2:14] <johnjay> apparently alix doesn't have games either. i searched "battlefield 1" and got just stickers and decals
[2:14] <shauno> well, sure. they're buying exactly the same junk as you, but they have the overheard of the store/staff
[2:14] <Quatroking> only games they got is bootleg nintendo and sega md
[2:15] <johnjay> Sorry, your search ' nintendo switch ' did not match any products. Please try again.
[2:15] <Quatroking> haha
[2:15] <johnjay> XD
[2:15] <shauno> that's logical too. anything they did have would be likely to be knockoffs, and ali are big enough to be a target for that
[2:15] <Quatroking> if you search for nintend switch you get some results
[2:16] <shauno> stuff that's licenced is difficult to do cheap. it's commodity parts where the playing field is level, where it'll win
[2:16] <Quatroking> yeah they generally don't use licensed names all over the place
[2:16] <johnjay> i searched for a samsung tablet case. the 10.1 I found is $14 on amazon and $13.00 on aliexpress
[2:16] <Quatroking> lemme get you an example
[2:17] <johnjay> so it doesn't look like it's always cheaper
[2:17] <Quatroking> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Nintendo-16-Bit-Video-Game-Cartridge-Console-Card-TheLegendofZelda-Series-English-Language-Edition/1943480_32700255145.html
[2:17] <shauno> (ali are actually bigger than walmart. so they'll be missing 'dodgy' stuff because they're big enough for companies to waste time fighting)
[2:18] <Quatroking> they've hid the zelda name on the cartridges in the picture so that nintendo doesn't hit them with dcma's or whatever
[2:18] <johnjay> so commodity meaning like an adapter for a hose or a case for a laptop or a phone case?
[2:18] <johnjay> or like a knock-off iphone charger that might break day 3?
[2:19] <shauno> something that you can copy, clone, or come 'close enough' without legal trouble
[2:19] <Quatroking> I don't buy anything that requires power off aliexpress
[2:19] <Quatroking> chinese power warts are too low quality
[2:19] <Quatroking> but hose adapters, sure, they have those
[2:19] <Quatroking> Now you can use FOUR hoses all at the same time!! https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4-way-connector-27208/32384558047.html
[2:19] <Quatroking> time for a hose party!
[2:19] <johnjay> roflmao what system is taht even for? ds?
[2:20] <johnjay> i can't even tell which zelda games they are
[2:20] <Quatroking> gameboy
[2:21] <shauno> I mean, you can make something functionally equivalent of an arduino for .. a buck? that's what ali's good at. but not things that are actually arduino-branded.
[2:21] <shauno> for games, you have the same problem. a bit of rubber to wrap around a nintendo, perfect. something that actually needs to be branded/licensed, no
[2:21] <johnjay> i'm just wondering if i'm in lowe's or home depot should i bother checking alixpress for the same item
[2:21] <johnjay> i mean a knock off hose connector has to be just as good
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[2:22] <Quatroking> yeah some items are so simple a knockoff is essentially identical
[2:22] <Quatroking> I have some USA to euro plug adapters for example
[2:23] <Quatroking> it's literally plastic with some copper, can't really go wrong there
[2:23] <ali1234> its great if you want 2000 screws or something
[2:23] <Quatroking> yup
[2:23] <ali1234> it will be 1/4 the price of buying them locally
[2:24] <shauno> I actually have a plug adaptor that got recalled. apparently you can go wrong there :)
[2:24] <johnjay> lol
[2:24] <Quatroking> how the hell does that work, lol
[2:24] <shauno> http://yenra.com/energy/plug.jpg this thing (or a previous version of it)
[2:24] <mfa298> probably wire too thin or exposed
[2:25] <shauno> it's in two parts, and you can combine the parts in various ways to fit various combinations
[2:25] <Quatroking> ah I see
[2:25] <shauno> but it turned out one or two ways they could be combined, were not healthy
[2:25] <Quatroking> I own a couple of these http://i.imgur.com/oEfz0ff.png
[2:26] <shauno> the irony isn't lost that they were a 'big brand', not some random junk. especially since the random junk rarely gets that particular function wrong
[2:26] <Quatroking> there's just copper plating on the inside, I've opened them before using
[2:26] <Quatroking> solid construction, can't slide them around or anything
[2:26] <Quatroking> yeah I noticed that's APC
[2:26] <Quatroking> odd how that went through QA
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[2:27] <shauno> oh it did exactly what it was meant to do. they just underestimated user's imagination
[2:27] <shauno> or as they phrase goes, if you make it idiot-proof, they'll make a better idiot
[2:27] <mfa298> there's a thing in the UK that the socket covers you can get can actually make our electrical sockets less safe
[2:27] <Quatroking> This is one of those arduino clones https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1pcs-New-2016-UNO-R3-ATmega328P-CH340G-MicroUSB-Compatible-for-Arduino-UNO-Rev-3-0-hei/32688321693.html
[2:28] <Quatroking> the biggest difference compared to the "official" boards is that they use a super cheap usb to serial chip
[2:28] <shauno> mfa298, yeah, the outlet blank things. we used to have some mothercare ones
[2:28] <mfa298> UK socket is pretty good by design, you cant touch live parts easily
[2:28] <shauno> you put them in the socket upside down, and it holds the covers open, making it just as safe as .. well, an american socket
[2:28] <Quatroking> same with schuko and europlug
[2:29] <shauno> they're appearing in the states now too. I think they're mandated on new builds
[2:30] <johnjay> alright im gonna order some san disks from aliexprss cuz they are 15% off for next 6 hours
[2:30] <Quatroking> haha don't worry about those discounts
[2:30] <johnjay> i guess since shipping is free there's no point ordering 10 things at once
[2:30] <johnjay> just be more likely for customs to slap a fee on right?
[2:30] <Quatroking> they always have that % off "for the next couple hours"
[2:31] <shauno> ordering more at once works against you. it just makes it big enough for customs to bill
[2:31] <johnjay> lol ok. it is cheaper than the other ones though by a few cents
[2:31] <Quatroking> yeah look up on your customs law on what the max value is before they start to get annoying
[2:32] <shauno> if I get twenty $10 orders my mailman's annoyed. if I get one $200 order I pay duty + vat + handling
[2:32] <Quatroking> Yep
[2:32] <johnjay> how much does that save you
[2:33] <johnjay> How much can you bring into the US duty free? Depending on the countries you have visited, your personal exemption will be $200, $800, or $1,600. There are limits on the amount of alcoholic beverages, cigarettes, cigars, and other tobacco products
[2:33] <shauno> eh, a lot. here, it's 17% import, 21% vat, and flat-rate €7 for handling
[2:33] <Quatroking> https://www.cbp.gov/trade/basic-import-export/internet-purchases
[2:34] <Quatroking> damn shauno, for me it's 5% import and 21% vat, handling is included in the import afaik
[2:34] <shauno> (note duty free usually applies to what you bring *with you*, not delivered)
[2:34] <Quatroking> yeah duty free is if you go and pick it up yourself lol
[2:34] <shauno> handling is my personal gripe. because if they stop something because they think it's over the threshold, and it's not - I still pay handling
[2:35] <johnjay> well as it happens I bought this kit thing for doing arduino/pi type stuff: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01ERPEMAC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[2:36] <johnjay> i wonder if i could have saved $$ ordering each component individually from ali
[2:36] <shauno> I buy something for €2, they stop it and ask me to send them the receipt, and then they bill me €7 to release it. even though it didn't meet the threshold for duty
[2:36] <Quatroking> I have that same breadboard with psu
[2:36] <Quatroking> also got the same box with jumpers
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[2:37] <shauno> I have a mammoth breadboard :D
[2:37] <johnjay> how do i do the short link to an aliexpress item again?
[2:37] <mfa298> johnjay: sometimes paying a bit more is worth it for saved hassle
[2:37] <Quatroking> johnjay, get rid of everything after the .html
[2:38] <johnjay> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/One-250K-Papilio-102990010-module-Seeed/32654330763.html
[2:38] <johnjay> the papilio one cost $33 shipping!
[2:38] <johnjay> lol wtf
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[2:38] <Quatroking> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-generic-parts-package-3-3V-5V-power-module-MB-102-830-points-Breadboard-65/32394335768.html
[2:38] <Quatroking> kinda looks like the same kit, right
[2:39] <ali1234> yeah all this stuff comes from china anyway
[2:39] <johnjay> yeah for half price roflmao
[2:39] <ali1234> if you buy it from a local seller all you are doing is paying them to import it for you
[2:39] <Quatroking> and you can get it even cheaper per item if you want to, but you'd end up spending a bit more due to going bulk
[2:40] <johnjay> how'd you find it? search for electronics kits?
[2:40] <Quatroking> like sure you can go buy 20 leds for a buck but spend 5 bucks and you got 500 leds
[2:40] <Quatroking> I was looking up the breadboard
[2:40] <ali1234> if you buy 10 of each item in the kit and then kit it up yourself it would probably cost you $5 per kit
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[2:40] <johnjay> hah nice
[2:40] <Quatroking> This category is great https://www.aliexpress.com/category/502/electronic-components-supplies.html
[2:40] <shauno> one thing I will note with ali ... don't drink & buy
[2:40] <johnjay> so in other words i shouldn't buy a single LED or transistor
[2:40] <johnjay> even if they would sell that
[2:41] <ali1234> why would you ever buy 1 LED?
[2:41] <ali1234> like what are you going to do with just 1?
[2:41] <shauno> that's like buying one roll of TP
[2:41] <ali1234> 1 sheet
[2:41] <shauno> it seems sensible at the time because you only need one at the time. but you will poop tomorrow.
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[2:42] <johnjay> here's US seller doing a kit for arduino R3 uno for $20: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Starter-Kit-For-Arduino-UNO-R3-Upgraded-Version-Learning-Basic-Suite-For-Uno-R3-Board-Stepper/32696561124.html
[2:42] <johnjay> is that going to be just paying him to import it for me?
[2:42] <ball> I like LEDs, me.
[2:42] <ali1234> most of the stuff in those kits is junk anyway
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[2:43] <Quatroking> to be fair that kit has a motor, display, remote and arduino clone
[2:43] <Quatroking> so it's a bit higher value than the previous kit but still you can go cheaper
[2:43] <shauno> you're basically paying them to divvy an order up into tiny boxes
[2:43] <ali1234> 1 random motor isn't much use tho
[2:43] <Quatroking> oh also
[2:43] <Quatroking> 1 led: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-WS2812-RGB-LED-Breakout-module-For-arduino/32611835948.html
[2:43] <Quatroking> :D
[2:43] <johnjay> yeah i don't think the one i bought from amazon had a motor
[2:43] <ali1234> decide what you want to do and then buy the stuff to do it
[2:43] <mfa298> shauno: if you need a whole roll of TP each time you should probably visit the doctor :p
[2:43] <johnjay> maybe i should buy the kit from alixpress and use that instead lol
[2:44] <ali1234> what *do* you want to do?
[2:44] <Quatroking> experience love
[2:44] <johnjay> have to find out
[2:44] <johnjay> by the way, since we're talking about components
[2:44] * ball <- sail across the Atlantic
[2:44] <johnjay> what's a useful thing to put on that GPIO thingie?
[2:44] <shauno> I mean, those tact switches are literally pennies each. you're basically paying them to grab a few out a bag, rather than paying for the actual switches
[2:45] <johnjay> the pi has one correct?
[2:45] <shauno> ball, now you're talking!
[2:45] <Quatroking> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100pcs-SMT-SMD-LED-3528-Green-Ultra-Bright-Light-Emitting-Diode-LED-Diode-Chip-Lamp/32788411300.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10065_10151_10068_10136_10137_10060_10138_10155_10062_10156_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10103_10102_10096_10148_10147_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10177_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10181_10037_10182_100
[2:45] <Quatroking> 78_10079_10077_10073_10070_10123_10124,searchweb201603_2,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=fc55f51d-e927-43e3-b30c-e0de787e73bb&algo_expid=433804f6-6986-4269-bc72-ce7bc5a8c2f4-41&algo_pvid=433804f6-6986-4269-bc72-ce7bc5a8c2f4
[2:45] <Quatroking> ugghhh
[2:45] <shauno> that's where I'm going if I win the lottery. here to panama, then keep going
[2:45] <ball> That's an unfortunate URL.
[2:45] <Quatroking> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100pcs-SMT-SMD-LED-3528-Green-Ultra-Bright-Light-Emitting-Diode-LED-Diode-Chip-Lamp/32788411300.html
[2:46] <shauno> also, my darling breadboard - http://i.imgur.com/0uV8OSBl.jpg (looking sad and empty right now)
[2:46] <Quatroking> yeah aliexpress is great and all but their site is coded by actual monkeys
[2:46] <Quatroking> anyways, 100 smd leds for $.54
[2:46] <mfa298> spending $10 on parts from china you dont use is still wasteing money even if it was cheaper than a local seller
[2:46] <ali1234> smd parts are cheap
[2:46] <ali1234> thats the whole point of them :)
[2:47] <Quatroking> here's a hundred blue leds that will burn your eyes out but make your stuff look all sci-fi and stuff, for just under $2: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100Pcs-LED-5MM-BLUE-COLOR-BLUE-LIGHT-Super-Bright/32224078962.html
[2:47] <shauno> mfa298: you're basically describing my desk there :(
[2:48] <shauno> blue leds should be banned.
[2:48] <Quatroking> again, if I buy my leds local I'm paying 8 eurocents per led and I'm not even talking about shipping
[2:48] <ali1234> buy some i2c sensors or something
[2:48] <Quatroking> shauno, but then how else will I illuminate my entire bedroom using a single harddrive?
[2:48] <ali1234> LEDs are pretty useless
[2:48] <mfa298> the only benefit of buying junk you don't need is that when you do need that part in 5 years time you have it, if only you knew were you put it :)
[2:48] <ali1234> most boards already have at least one
[2:49] <Quatroking> leds are fun for blinkenlight projects though
[2:49] <shauno> in my experience, LEDs breed. buy a bag of 100, put them in a tray, and you'll never run out, ever.
[2:49] <Quatroking> this is pretty much what I got: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/500pcs-5mm-LED-diode-Light-Assorted-Kit-DIY-LEDs-Set-White-Yellow-Red-Green-Blue-free/32695689406.html
[2:49] <Quatroking> enough to keep you happy for years to come
[2:50] <Quatroking> just search "assorted led" and you get tons of these
[2:51] <shauno> between aliexpress & alibaba you can buy pretty much anything in bulk. you have to ask yourself if it's useful
[2:51] <ali1234> APA102 LEDs come in 2020 package now
[2:52] <Quatroking> one thing I don't recommend buying off aliexpress is micro-usb cables
[2:52] <shauno> (alibaba is the same company, but basically intended for trade. so you'll places that have a minimum order of 5000, etc)
[2:52] <ali1234> they are still like $1 each tho
[2:52] <Quatroking> I've tried getting a proper one from aliexpress like 5 times and every damn time the cable would either only charge or have crap build quality
[2:53] <Quatroking> meanwhile the standard USB-A to USB-B cables are the thoughest I've ever had
[2:53] <shauno> you should be able to find decent ones there still
[2:53] <Quatroking> shauno, I helped out a pal recently who wanted custom gameboy cartridges made, that was quite a fun experience
[2:53] <shauno> I think the problem is you go to ali with the mindset of finding cheap trash. then act disappointed when you receive cheap trash
[2:53] <ali1234> i tried to build a custom gameboy cart once
[2:53] <ali1234> must be 20 years ago now
[2:54] <Quatroking> we're talking custom roms and everything
[2:54] <ali1234> had a UV erasable eprom
[2:54] <ali1234> built the programmer
[2:54] <ali1234> never finished it though
[2:54] <shauno> these days you just buy a flash cart :)
[2:54] <Quatroking> looked up some factories on alibaba, asked for quotes and supplied the rom and at the end of the week he got a DHL track & trace number for 100 cartridges :)
[2:54] <Quatroking> gameboy flash carts are really expensive
[2:55] <Quatroking> besides this guy just wanted to sell his homebrew
[2:55] <shauno> it depends what you're doing. for me, one flash cart is cheaper than 100 saleable carts
[2:55] <Quatroking> cost him $4 per cart incl shipping, we were quite surprised how easy it all was
[2:56] <Quatroking> literally everything but the payment went through skype
[2:56] <shauno> I imagine that's a surprisingly simple order for them. no tooling, no dies, etc.
[2:57] <Quatroking> Yeah they only had to burn one cart to test out the rom
[2:57] <Quatroking> that worked fine, got a video and everything
[2:58] <shauno> speaking of pumping plastic out of china, the case for my amiga arrived :D
[2:58] <Quatroking> nice
[2:58] <ali1234> you can buy those?
[2:58] <shauno> someone did a run on kickstarter, a1200.net
[2:59] <Quatroking> I still have to replace the floppydrive of my a500 with an sd reader
[2:59] <shauno> and .. I'm not quite as fussy as you, but they totally exceeded my expectations. it's a nice bit of kit
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[2:59] <ali1234> my a1200 has a case already :)
[2:59] <Quatroking> right now only three floppies actually read
[2:59] <ali1234> i need an a500 case though
[2:59] <shauno> ah. I think they've only done 1200 so far. next they're working on keycaps (and I order have my order in ..)
[3:00] <ali1234> or maybe not since i think the board is broken anwyay
[3:00] <Quatroking> chicago cops, lemmings and battle chess
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[3:00] <shauno> I have the gotek floppy-sd-thing. very snazzy
[3:01] <shauno> actually, not gotek, the polish one. something-else-tek
[3:01] <Quatroking> yeah I've seen the gotek
[3:01] <Quatroking> looks pretty neat
[3:02] <shauno> http://lotharek.pl/category.php?kid=25 one of these
[3:03] <shauno> new case has a knockout for a 16x2 lcd, so I've been pondering whether I should add that, or if it's just a whole layer of ugly I haven't needed so far
[3:04] <shauno> anyway, that's just what ordering carts reminded me of. because it was kickstarter, I got 2 years of updates on all the tooling issues. so immediately made me think that pumping out a standard part would be so, so much easier
[3:07] <shauno> oh, and just to pretend it's on topic, the new cases have mounting posts for a pi too
[3:08] <johnjay> ok i ordered my cheap sandisk knock offs from china
[3:08] <johnjay> also wtf at these GPIO addons for the rpi
[3:08] <shauno> you'll find millions of those. best bet is to figure out what you actually want to do with them first
[3:08] <johnjay> they look kinda useless. i mean the motor and hand motion sensor are cool. But a traffic light add on? https://opensource.com/life/16/7/top-10-Raspberry-Pi-boards
[3:09] <shauno> ah the traffic lights aren't that bad
[3:09] <johnjay> also wtf aliexpress didn't ask me to make a password for my account?
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[3:10] <shauno> ignore the LEDs. what you're looking at is a breadboard that should fit out the openning in the official pi case. and headers that are bare-wire-friendly to match
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[3:11] <Quatroking> johnjay, did they mail you one?
[3:11] <johnjay> weird, how would a floppy emulator work with an sd card
[3:12] <Quatroking> it reads floppy images off the card
[3:12] <johnjay> mail me what? i just filled out my email and addr/credit card info and ali said done
[3:12] <shauno> there's a controller that pretends it's a floppy drive. and an sd card it can fetch the data off
[3:12] <Quatroking> your password
[3:12] <johnjay> idk i didn't check my email
[3:12] <johnjay> should they have?
[3:12] <NedScott> they should make the reverse, an SD card adapter that allows you to use floppies
[3:13] <ball> 5.25" 720K
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[3:13] <Quatroking> no idea, I made an account before buying, years ago
[3:13] <shauno> eh, if I want to go that route I have a usb floppy drive
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[3:13] <johnjay> weird, i just entered my info and email.
[3:13] <ball> shauno: I'm willing to bet it's not a 5.25" drive though ;-)
[3:14] <shauno> you may not have created an account at all. I mean, you actually need an account to buy things. I walk into shops every day without accounts
[3:14] <johnjay> idk wouldn't a small keyboard for the GPIO be useful?
[3:14] <johnjay> so you can control the pi sort of?
[3:14] <johnjay> idk
[3:14] <shauno> er, I mean you _don't_ actually need an account
[3:14] <johnjay> i guess that would be usb
[3:14] * ball nods
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[3:15] <shauno> yeah, I think usb's better for a keyboard. that way it's supported out of the box
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[3:16] <shauno> I have one of those el-cheapo wireless ones, like https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KF9IVKC/ (not a specific endorsement, you'll find 100 clones of the same thing)
[3:17] <shauno> I mean, I wouldn't want to actually type on it. but it's really handy to get out of an oops and back on the network
[3:19] <johnjay> well my email password doesn't work, so either i forgot it or else chinese hackers have taken my email over
[3:20] <johnjay> hate passwords so much. esp when they force you to change it over and over like yahoo did
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[3:45] <johnjay> i don't understand why yahoo mail is so bad
[3:45] <johnjay> literally every browser i try it in it runs like a snail
[3:46] <johnjay> 30 sec just to click a menu item
[3:48] <methuzla> the answer is in front of the word 'mail'
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[3:48] <johnjay> i swear it must be a conspiracy by google to make every mail service but theirs suck
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[3:49] <johnjay> fuck I had it send a text to my mobile phone and i entered it and it gave me access to my account
[3:49] <johnjay> but now when i try to reset password it asks me for a password i don't have. o_0
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[3:50] <leftyfb> johnjay: please keep the language to PG here
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[4:10] <johnjay> well i don't know how to answer your question
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[4:10] <johnjay> I clicked in the aliexpress email and it took me to their site... and I'm in my account? i guess?
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[4:17] <leftyfb> johnjay: wrong window
[4:17] <johnjay> oh Quatroking is gone anyway
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[5:38] <mirwin> anyone have any ideas on samba shared folders being empty from hfs+ partitions shared using openmediavault on the pi 3? i've already opened the drive in osx and disabled ownership and gave full r/w to all yet nothing. i'm seriously hesitant to disable journaling but it's the only "quick" solution i have
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[5:39] <mirwin> all hfs related pkgs are installed
[5:43] <oq> mirwin: the samba permissions all good?
[5:44] <mirwin> yup
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[6:37] <IanTLopp> GRR... why is EVERYTHING in china?
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[6:38] <IanTLopp> I've got the ribbon, and the female connectors, but I can't find the male connectors for a 40pin ribbon cable, so I can mount a pitft device somewhere except on the pi itself.
[6:38] <IanTLopp> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5Pcs-2-54mm-0-1-Pitch-2x20-Pin-40-Pin-IDC-Male-Box-Header-Flat-Cable-Connector-/182237978492?hash=item2a6e3adf7c:g:Kp4AAOSwdzVXqvk2 is perfect, but I can't find ONE in the US
[6:39] <CoJaBo> IanTLopp: amazon
[6:39] <IanTLopp> cojabo: haven't found it on amazon actually for sale either.
[6:40] <CoJaBo> what are you trying to connecT?
[6:41] <IanTLopp> I'm making a male to female cable to connect to the GPIO on a raspberry pi.. that way I can connect to a pitft without the hat module being physically connected to the pi itself
[6:42] <CoJaBo> IanTLopp: Regular ribbon + 40-pin passthru headers?
[6:42] <IanTLopp> regular ribbon with one male connector and one female connector... I could almost use half of the standard ide ribbon cable except the connectors have one pin filled in.
[6:43] <IanTLopp> found https://www.amazon.com/Pc-Accessories-Connectors-10-PACK-SHROUDED/dp/B06XHYYS7Y/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1493440832&sr=8-5&keywords=0.1%22+Pin+40+Flat+Cable but I can't tell if it's from a marketplace seller located outside the U.S. :(
[6:43] <mlelstv> the ribbon connectors won't fit with the pitft
[6:43] <CoJaBo> I don't think you can use ide cables in any case..
[6:44] <IanTLopp> mlelstv: how so?
[6:44] <Sonny_Jim> It's not hard to make a IDC cable at home, most half decent electronic hobby shops will carry the parts
[6:44] <IanTLopp> CoJaBo, they're the right pitch, the right number of pins - just the little filled in hole that stops it from being useful
[6:44] <mlelstv> slightly different diameters of the pins. I made such a construct.
[6:44] <IanTLopp> there are no hobby shops with these parts anywhere near me.
[6:44] <CoJaBo> IanTLopp: IDE cables have the grounds wired up for IDE
[6:44] <IanTLopp> mlelstv, I was told by someone else that ide would work... ergh
[6:45] <CoJaBo> That'd probably fry a pi if it fit
[6:45] <mlelstv> IDE cables are just 40pin straight.
[6:45] <IanTLopp> CoJaBo, the wires are all individual in the ribbon itself. I have the cable and I have female socket connectors. all I don't have are the male - the sockets are not designed to be standard ide as all pins are available.
[6:46] <mlelstv> I took an IDE cable and replaced one female with a male connector.
[6:46] <IanTLopp> mlelstv, to be fair, the female connectors I ordered are supposed to be the exact size of the pitft (2.54mm)..
[6:46] <CoJaBo> Pin headers should also work
[6:46] <IanTLopp> mlelstv, did the male side work?
[6:46] <IanTLopp> but a pin header won't connect to the cable.. I need a male end on the cable itself.
[6:46] <mlelstv> yes, it does work.
[6:47] <IanTLopp> mlelstv: so it's the female end of the ide cable that doesn't work? I've got replacements for that, so it should work, right?
[6:47] <mlelstv> just the connector doesn't sit very firm.
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[6:48] <IanTLopp> mlelstv, the original connector on the ide cable, or the male one you used?
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[6:51] <mlelstv> the male one
[6:51] <mlelstv> just taking pictures
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[6:53] <IanTLopp> 'k
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[7:03] <mlelstv> http://serpens.de/~mlelstv/gpio-extend1.jpg and gpio-extend2.jpg
[7:04] <IanTLopp> see, that's precisely the kind of ribbon cable I'm looking for.
[7:04] <IanTLopp> and you said the male end, connected to the sense hat is loose?
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[7:05] <mlelstv> it's not really firm.
[7:05] <IanTLopp> hmm...
[7:05] <IanTLopp> blast
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[7:06] <mlelstv> has mostly to do with the hat connector being only ~2mm and the pins on the connector being less square
[7:06] <IanTLopp> hmm...
[7:07] <mlelstv> there was an "extender" hat, that worked better.
[7:07] <drjam> i have the same problem with the length of my connector...
[7:08] <IanTLopp> I need to be able to control the length of my cable though
[7:08] <drjam> man, if that were possible.,...
[7:08] <mlelstv> and maybe this here has a better fitting connector:
[7:08] <IanTLopp> drjam, is that a... euphamism?
[7:08] <mlelstv> https://smarticase.com/products/gpio-ribbon-cable-extension-for-hats
[7:08] <drjam> srsly tho.... can yuou like just mae your own?
[7:09] <drjam> lol IanTLopp perhaps on some distant land
[7:09] <drjam> ;)
[7:09] <drjam> but yeah, cables, solder, breadboards.... im learnign all that currently
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[7:09] <IanTLopp> drjam, that's what mlelstv did and what I'm attempting, though apparently there are issues.
[7:10] <IanTLopp> mlelstv, that might be perfect - except I need to be able to install a female end then - you said the female end on your cable fits well?
[7:10] <drjam> ah i see
[7:10] <mlelstv> the connection between pi and cable is fine, between cable and hat isn't.
[7:11] <drjam> if youre learning like i am, can i suggest a ribbon cable already madfe up...and you go nuts soldering and hacking the end of that?
[7:11] <drjam> saves killing the actual RPis pins
[7:11] <drjam> is the ribbon you have premade? or did you makje it?
[7:11] <IanTLopp> mlelstv, then that rainbow cable you linked is perfect for me :) just need to add the female connector I have and all will be well :)
[7:11] <mlelstv> there was an extender board from pimoroni. Would use a standard 40pin cable (e.g. an IDE cable) and you can just mount the hat on that board.
[7:12] <mlelstv> https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/breakout-boards/pimoroni/pimoroni-black-hat-hack3r
[7:12] <mlelstv> that one
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[7:13] <IanTLopp> probably useful for other projects, but I'm fine with just the ribbon cable
[7:13] <IanTLopp> my pitft has mounting holes, so I can mount it however I want.
[7:15] <mlelstv> https://www.amazon.com/40-Pin-Male-Female-Extension-Cable/dp/B005IQWH98
[7:15] <mlelstv> for $5 I'd just try that :)
[7:16] <mlelstv> if that connector fits as loose as mine, you can try to glue it to the hat :)
[7:17] <IanTLopp> considering that's not designed for the pi, I think the other one for $.49 more is a better option.
[7:18] <IanTLopp> but thank you for finding that - for future projects, as it is 12 inches long - it may very well be a better option than the rainbow cable.
[7:19] <IanTLopp> I'm trying to get a 3.2" pitft screen connected to a pi zero w with a noir camera all in one box connected to a 3d printer running octopi and the touch ui interface.
[7:19] <IanTLopp> that cable is, essentially, the final component other than designing and printing a body next :)
[7:19] <IanTLopp> there's already a body that doesn't include the screen, should be an easy enough modification.
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[7:21] <mlelstv> http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/image/cache/data/misc/shrouded-box-header-2-20-500x500.jpg
[7:22] <IanTLopp> just ordered that rainbow cable :)
[7:22] <mlelstv> :)
[7:22] <IanTLopp> thanks a ton mlelstv!
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[7:23] <IanTLopp> I almost ordered a bunch of those male connectors from china for $7... only needed one, now I have a cable for 5.49 and don't need a crimper (well, if I decide to shorten the cable I will)
[7:24] <IanTLopp> eventually I may have to switch to a raspi 3 for the octopi server, but I think the zero will work for me for now.
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[7:27] <drjam> oooh zero
[7:27] <drjam> nice
[7:28] <IanTLopp> got 2 of the zero w's and 5 zeros
[7:28] <drjam> i have one coming in here in the next week (i hope)
[7:28] <IanTLopp> one of which is a 1.2 and the others are 1.3's
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[7:28] <IanTLopp> I NEED another 1.2 badly.
[7:28] <drjam> nice@
[7:28] <IanTLopp> noone is willing to trade :(
[7:28] <drjam> would you suggest getting the zeroW and forget the normal zero?
[7:28] <IanTLopp> I can't find the 1.2 available for purchase anywhere either.
[7:29] <IanTLopp> drjam: I have 2 for two very different reasons, one is for the octopi - which is very needed, the other is for zero prototyping to make it easier to copy files to/from
[7:30] <IanTLopp> IF you don't need wifi or bluetooth, then the zero w only has one other benefit - it's one sided so slightly thinner than the regular 1.3 zer
[7:30] <IanTLopp> zero, rather.
[7:30] <IanTLopp> it's twice the price for a feature you may or may not need.
[7:31] <IanTLopp> plus, if you want it in the states, canakit is your only option, and it's $10 for shipping and they don't even provide tracking and takes about a week and a half.
[7:31] <IanTLopp> IF you choose to get it, I highly recommend adding onto the order other small things.
[7:31] <IanTLopp> I ended up getting 3 pi zero cases for zero dashcams
[7:31] <drjam> $10? are you freaking kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!! here in Australia....
[7:31] <drjam> ffs
[7:31] <IanTLopp> didn't know where you are - don't know who will have any available.
[7:31] <drjam> heh
[7:32] <drjam> i was raging about the price GOUGING we get here
[7:32] <IanTLopp> I've paid $20 apiece for two so far.
[7:32] <IanTLopp> didn't notice, sorry.
[7:32] <drjam> i pay $55 to get the zero-w
[7:32] <drjam> $55 au, not us
[7:32] <IanTLopp> o.O???
[7:32] <drjam> yup
[7:32] <IanTLopp> still though, the difference isn't that great
[7:32] <drjam> fully rigged setup here in aus, and noone can do squat cause they have our guns haha
[7:32] <drjam> apart from i dont own one anyway, and wouldnt know how to use it lol
[7:33] <drjam> i like the idea of a pi dash cam tho
[7:33] <IanTLopp> ends up being $41.20 US, still obscene.
[7:33] <IanTLopp> what projects do you have in mind for one?
[7:33] <IanTLopp> and are there ANY stores that sell them locally?
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[7:34] <drjam> nope, not many people in aus are intellectuially minded (many are smart, dont mix that up)
[7:35] <drjam> there is a few online places but they seem to be out of stock often (always?)
[7:35] <drjam> projects: everything! haha yeah, ive not narrowed it down yet
[7:35] <drjam> cameras for started, got a possum0cam upstairs thats partially ok
[7:36] <drjam> will use to get weather, temp, server temps, adsl bandwidth, website uptimes and use grafana to dashboard it
[7:36] <drjam> and create some sort of pi IoT to sell to clients
[7:36] <drjam> big ideas.....nfi where to go with it.
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[7:38] <Sonny_Jim> Build a prototype, make a business plan, put it on kickstarter
[7:39] <IanTLopp> drjam: try ordering from canakit - you *might* get lucky
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[7:42] <IanTLopp> wish I could produce my own pi zeros or pi 3's
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[7:44] <IanTLopp> i'd produce pi 3's without the connectors on it, or rather, with my own connection setup
[7:44] <IanTLopp> same with the pi zero
[7:45] <IanTLopp> if I ever go commercial with my projects I'll need to do that, or sell products without the pi and instructions on how to modify the pi to fit my products.
[7:45] <IanTLopp> except maybe the ScummPI
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[7:48] <IanTLopp> drjam, https://www.buyraspberrypi.com.au/shop/raspberry-pi-zero-w/ HOLY GOD WHY???
[7:49] <IanTLopp> drjam, http://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-zero-wireless.html try this and see what shipping to Australia costs - might save you a penny or two
[7:49] <shauno> lol @ no hidden fees
[7:49] <shauno> "no hidden fees - we didn't bother hiding them"
[7:49] <mlelstv> as if I could even buy a pi-zero :)
[7:50] <IanTLopp> mlelstv, why couldn't you?
[7:50] <IanTLopp> shauno, that's GREAT!
[7:50] <mlelstv> well, I could. But it would be as costly as a pi1
[7:51] <mlelstv> they don't sell pi0 in germany except as a "kit"
[7:51] <shauno> if I ever go to australia, I guess I should smuggle some pie and make myself popular
[7:51] <IanTLopp> mlelstv, gotcha
[7:51] <IanTLopp> shauno, probably so
[7:51] <IanTLopp> mlelstv, check out canakit and see what shipping to germany is.
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[7:52] <shauno> looks like thepihut have the same shipping price to germany as they do ireland. so 4gbp/5eur.
[7:52] <IanTLopp> do they have it in stock though?
[7:53] <mlelstv> there is also a limit to 1 per customer :)
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[7:53] <shauno> they have the W but not the regular zero atm
[7:54] <IanTLopp> mlelstv, consider that I have 2 zero w's and 5 zeros.. it's NOT easy getting that many with that limit.
[7:54] <mlelstv> yep
[7:54] <IanTLopp> but the pricing for me, I'd wager, has been better than for my brothers and sisters in aussie land
[7:54] <IanTLopp> I *really* want to be able to buy in bulk.
[7:54] <oq> shauno: they've probably stopped making the regular zero's for now since it is just that 1 factory they have access to
[7:55] <IanTLopp> oq, that's a good guess
[7:55] <drjam> thanks IanTLopp
[7:55] <drjam> looking now old bean
[7:55] <shauno> I'd assume so, yeah. pimoroni seem to have exactly the same stock situation too
[7:55] * drjam looks and is like whoa
[7:55] <IanTLopp> drjam whoa what?
[7:55] <IanTLopp> how good/bad?
[7:56] <drjam> $10 for the pi0 indeed over there
[7:56] <drjam> dammit
[7:57] <drjam> lucky fat-bums :-)
[7:57] <IanTLopp> drjam, but how much to ship to australia?
[7:58] <drjam> cant see anywhere on their site
[7:58] <IanTLopp> hrmm..
[7:58] <drjam> i might send them an email....like what if i order 5 from you guys :-)
[7:59] <IanTLopp> drjam: canakit is under the strict 1 per order bit...
[7:59] <IanTLopp> mind if I PM you?
[7:59] <IanTLopp> oh, nevermind
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[8:00] <drjam> lol yeah cool if you want
[8:00] <drjam> im pl;aying on 2 pcs currently :)
[8:00] <drjam> and a couple of servers rempotely
[8:00] <drjam> while playing star crusade in my spare moments
[8:00] <IanTLopp> drjam, how's about $37AUD for the pi zero w shipped?
[8:01] <drjam> is that from IanTLopp Industries? lol.... that sounds ok actually, lemmee check
[8:01] <IanTLopp> that's from canakit
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[8:01] <IanTLopp> you just have to act like you're making an order and it'll ask you your shipping address, etc.
[8:02] <IanTLopp> when I put in australia, it put $16.95 for shipping (that's in USD)
[8:02] <IanTLopp> but the conversion puts it about $37 for the unit plus shipping.
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[8:03] <IanTLopp> even with the official case the price for shipping doesn't increase.
[8:03] <IanTLopp> so you could get a few pi related items for pretty cheap shipping from canakit.
[8:03] <drjam> http://raspberry.piaustralia.com.au/products/raspberry-pi-zero-wireless is one of the ones that apparently out-of-stock all the time
[8:04] <IanTLopp> canakit has the zero w in stock
[8:04] <drjam> its $25 aus, so yeah, imlooking at other options, such as the ones youve swaid now :_0
[8:05] <IanTLopp> hey, if I can drum up more purchases of the zero and the zero w, maybe they'll start realizing people need more than 1 of the damn things.
[8:05] <IanTLopp> I *need* to be able to buy in bulk...
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[9:12] <smhar> greetings
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[9:32] <drjam> howdy
[9:32] <drjam> back to you
[9:35] <smhar> I am fed up with my Samsung Note mobile phone. So I am thinking of building a new mobile phablet using RPi 3 and a 7" touch monitor and a mobile module, and a camera, in addition to a large battery and use it as main mobile device. Any tips?
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[9:42] <smhar> It would have a detachable small keyboard either through a cable or bluetooth. and it would have connection to bluetooth headphone for calls
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[10:00] <drjam> that would be interesting
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[10:00] <drjam> not sure how you would get the amazing screens we now have in phones ;)
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[10:03] <BurtyB> you must have big pockets ;)
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[10:52] <aatish910> Does minidlna supports cataloging?
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[11:48] <Quatroking> does the rpi support the Gravis PC GamePad?
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[12:21] <phinxy> is there a rpi3 enclosure with built in 2.5" harddrive slot?
[12:23] <Quatroking> how would you connect the drive
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[12:24] <phinxy> USB seems like the only option
[12:25] <phinxy> people dont use raspberry pi as a file-server/bxmc box?
[12:25] <phinxy> kodi*
[12:25] <phinxy> rpi is just a gimmick perhaps
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> a gimmick that's sold 13 million units..
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[12:31] <phinxy> I guess its no big deal to have two boxes under the TV
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> have as many as you like :)
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> I just have one box - a Pi. The TV takes freesat directly into the back.
[12:32] <Quatroking> phinxy, I plan on using my rpi as a plex client
[12:33] <Quatroking> as well as retro gaming thingy
[12:33] <Quatroking> all media is stored on my homeserver though, so I just grab everything off the LAN
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[12:38] <gordonDrogon> the Pi makes a somewhat sub-optimal media server.
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[12:43] <phinxy> Whats the most popular use for the rpi?
[12:43] <ShorTie> education
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[13:01] <Quatroking> to be honest i've never seen one use in education
[13:01] <Quatroking> I've seen them mostly as htpc's and retro gaming thingies
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[13:03] <mirwin> it's not a bad media server just not the best. you get what you pay for
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> might be different over the globe - plenty of UK schools with them for example.
[13:03] <mirwin> that's awesome
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> however there's also the bbc microbit thing now which (IMO) just confuses things.
[13:04] <mirwin> i'm about to get into the banana pi's
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> there's also 2 on-board the ISS right now, running code developed in schools.
[13:04] <mirwin> they look pretty sweet with their sata ports and all
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> mirwin, from what I've seen on a few youtube videos, the sata is nothing to write home about. I'm sticking to my Atoms for me NAS type boxes for a while yet.
[13:05] <mirwin> :( well darn. i was looking at those and intel nuc
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[13:08] <gordonDrogon> I think the HP microservers are hard to beat for home NAS systems too - unless you like to build your own.
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[13:10] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[13:10] <HrdwrBoB> I have a HP microserver
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[13:14] <mfa298> I'd be tempted to replace that earlier statement to say they're used for learning rather than education.
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> my home/office ones are barely keeping up with wifeys new digital camera )-: I need to upgrade this year.
[13:15] <mfa298> My Pi's get used to learn new programming techniques, interfacing hardware, systems automation.
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[13:18] <mfa298> hopefully some of that learning will lead to a htpc type pi3 with raspbian+tvheadend+kodi but setup with a system automation tool rather than doing something I can't remember in a few years time
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[13:31] <Habbie> mfa298, i like ansible for that
[13:34] <Quatroking> yay, the mailman delivered my rpi 3b
[13:35] <Habbie> yay
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[13:37] <mfa298> Habbie: I'm using chef, but similar idea
[13:37] <Habbie> mfa298, any tool is better than doing nothing
[13:37] <Habbie> mfa298, even a shell script beats manual work
[13:37] <Habbie> mfa298, but chef is good from what i hear
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[13:54] <Quatroking> can i do the first bootup of NOOBS without a mouse and only a keyboard
[13:56] <Quatroking> eh whatever i'll just try
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[14:01] <Quatroking> this works pretty well
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[14:16] <bipul> Hi, Hope you all doing great.
[14:19] <Quatroking> I'm doing super
[14:19] <Quatroking> just got my rpi 3b in the mail
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[14:21] <bipul> Ha, I am making cluster with PI.
[14:22] <bipul> I was trying to install Ubuntu Core on SD card, with following link https://developer.ubuntu.com/core/get-started/installation-medias , But i am confused at section "On Ubuntu" > point nuber 4 and 7
[14:23] <bipul> The only things i can do is to eject it, according to the line number 4.
[14:24] <polprog> and what's the problem in that
[14:24] <polprog> ?
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[14:24] <polprog> bipul: and what are you on now
[14:25] <polprog> ?
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[14:27] <bipul> Generally we run xzcat ~/Downloads/<image file .xz> | sudo dd of=/dev/sdb bs=32M when my sd card is mounted.
[14:27] <polprog> bipul: what's the problem exactly in that?
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[14:34] <Quatroking> gotta say, raspbian looks kinda crap
[14:34] <Quatroking> is there any display settings gui at all
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[14:35] <polprog> Quatroking: you mean lxde. Raspbian is the system, lxde is the "GUI", or what we call DE, that you are running
[14:35] <Quatroking> Yeah I know lxde
[14:36] <Quatroking> I'm not talking about how it looks but more about how there's barely any settings stuff
[14:36] <Quatroking> or is this actually how lxde is? I'm more of an xfce guy
[14:36] <polprog> you can isntall xfce, lxde looks like windows 98 becuase it's meant to be light enought to run on everything
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[14:39] <polprog> or for settings you can use xrandr,
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[14:41] <bipul> I am sorry i got disconnected.
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[15:01] <gordonDrogon> Quatroking, you're probably running 'pixel' whic is the foundations own customisations to LXDE.
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> Quatroking, sudo apt-get install xfce4 and off you go.
[15:01] <Quatroking> already doing that lol :)
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> I run xfce on my Pi's on the rare occasion I run with a GUI.
[15:03] <Quatroking> having that said I've also set up unified remote so I can just use my phone as mouse, makes it a lot easier
[15:03] <Quatroking> got my static ip and everything
[15:03] <Quatroking> fixed hdmi audio too
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[15:32] <basti> i am trying to install/use a penmount usb 6000 touchscreen, but no luck so far. i know that i already did that on the pi2, but cant remember how... i installed xserver-xorg-input-penmount, but that installs no calibration tools or anything. the driver from there website are not arm. with googe i can only find a solution where i have to recompile th
[15:32] <basti> e kernel and this was not was i did when it was working. any other idea?
[15:32] <Quatroking> well this is interesting
[15:33] <Quatroking> when I plug the noobs card that came with my rpi into my windows desktop, it flips out and pretty much causes a mount loop
[15:33] <Quatroking> "there's a problem with this drive!"
[15:33] <Quatroking> yeah no kidding
[15:33] <polprog> is it just noobs or noobs + some system?
[15:34] <Quatroking> according to the box it's just noobs
[15:34] <polprog> Noobs (boot) partition is FAT iirc, no problems here
[15:35] <polprog> why do you plug it into win? it should run noobs install menu on the pi
[15:35] <Quatroking> because I wanted to flash it with rasplex
[15:35] <polprog> format the card then if you don't want noobs there
[15:36] <Quatroking> already doing that
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[15:36] <polprog> so what's the problem?
[15:37] <Quatroking> it caused windows explorer to crash and it repeatedly mounted and unmounted
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[15:38] <ctarx> Hi guys, is any sense to install wordpress on Rpi Model B Rev 2 (512)?
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[15:43] <Habbie> ctarx, bots and crawlers from the internet will make your load quite high
[15:43] <Habbie> ctarx, so if you're good at doing caching, or you manage to get the non-legit traffic away, it could work
[15:43] <Habbie> ctarx, but it will be a tight fit
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[15:46] <ctarx> ok thx
[15:47] <Habbie> ctarx, as with many things, the best advice might be 'try it and see'
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[15:51] <SomeT> can someone help me setup an adhoc network on my raspberry pi running thingbox, or write me a bash script to set it up or point me towards a decent tutorial?
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[15:53] <polprog> SomeT: there's a great tutorial on setting up an AP on the arch wiki
[15:53] <polprog> works on any linux
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[15:55] <SomeT> what is the arch wiki?
[15:55] <SomeT> what is AP?
[15:55] <SomeT> is AP the same as ad-hoc?
[15:56] <pksato> Access Point.
[15:57] <polprog> ad-hoc is not the same as an access point, but i dont think anybody uses ad-hoc nowadys (i may be wrong here)
[15:57] <SomeT> I need to use ad hoc for this project
[15:57] <SomeT> it can not at all use a access point, it will ruin my project :(
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[15:58] <pksato> most device not more support ad-hoc mode.
[15:58] <SomeT> ok but my question is, how do I do this on a pi3?
[15:58] <polprog> SomeT: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ad-hoc_networking , and ad pksato said, good luck
[15:59] <SomeT> ok
[15:59] <SomeT> but I am not running arch linux
[15:59] <SomeT> I am running thingbox os
[15:59] <SomeT> http://thethingbox.io/
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[16:00] <pksato> https://www.howtogeek.com/180649/htg-explains-whats-the-difference-between-ad-hoc-and-infrastructure-mode/
[16:00] <polprog> SomeT: do you have access to the console in that OS? if so, that guide should do
[16:00] <polprog> back when i was using ubuntu on a PC, arch wiki guides worked there, and ubuntu is based on debian
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[16:03] <SomeT> yeah it does
[16:03] <SomeT> but I don't just wanna presume oh its like that
[16:03] <SomeT> so lets do it
[16:03] <SomeT> else it will cause me more problems
[16:03] <SomeT> I have no idea what this OS is based on
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[16:07] <bipul> I would like to know SHA-1 key for Ubuntu Core 16 image for Raspberry Pi 3
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[16:48] <newbie123> I have installed keepass2 but cant open it https://paste2.org/FsstKJVJ
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[16:50] <polprog> newbie123: it's an error in the mono runtime or the libs, update your packages, that's all that can be done
[16:50] <newbie123> polprog, All packages are upto date ... Just updated an hour back
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[16:54] <polprog> newbie123: not musch you can do then, ;/
[16:54] <newbie123> Okay
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[16:57] <tabakhase> uhm so i have the following: pi3 via wlan, ssh EXTREMLY slow - HTTP works perfectly fine at full speed ||| VNC also still works perfect, using vnc and then "ssh localhost" also works perfectly fine
[16:58] <Habbie> is ssh slow to connect, or also slow after connecting?
[16:58] <tabakhase> both
[16:59] <Habbie> can you pastebin the output of: ssh -v yourhost 2>&1 | ts
[16:59] <Habbie> first sudo apt-get install moreutils
[17:00] <tabakhase> but "the local ssh" is speedy fast, so it doesnt seem to be load - and i can VNC so network "should be okay"..ts
[17:01] <tabakhase> and will try in a second
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[17:07] <tabakhase> oh i see, TS does nuffin - already been there, and been down to -vv as well
[17:08] <tabakhase> http://i.imgur.com/C7r3gDv.png on the right is a "working fine" VNC frome the "slow" machien (whats then not slow at all)
[17:09] <Habbie> and the ssh eventually does log in?
[17:09] <tabakhase> so that ngrep is running ON pi30 - (30 is the slow pi)
[17:10] <tabakhase> eventually... i had one window open for about half an hour and even got actually behind the login a ffew times
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[17:10] <tabakhase> (yes checked entropy as well)
[17:10] <Habbie> is there an ssh_config or ~/.ssh/config file on the client?
[17:11] <tabakhase> All my clients see same behavior - from putty to another pie down to vssh on my ipad
[17:11] <Habbie> but only to pi30
[17:11] <Habbie> ssh from putty to your other pi is fine?
[17:11] <tabakhase> yeps, pi32 works fine
[17:11] <Habbie> i'm running out of ideas
[17:12] <Habbie> did you try an strace on the sshd on pi30?
[17:12] <Habbie> with timestamps
[17:12] <tabakhase> "outgoing" from pi30 ive not checked... i only checked "pi30 to pi30" (what was fine), moment...
[17:13] <Habbie> not what i meant, but might be interesting too
[17:18] <tabakhase> okay... even "outgoing" ssh from pi30 seems broken
[17:18] <Habbie> did you try ssh on another port?
[17:18] <Habbie> pretty random guesses at this time
[17:19] <tabakhase> :D still welcome them (not like have been duing anything more coordinated for like the past hour :D)
[17:19] <Sonny_Jim> So it's slow SSH right?
[17:20] <tabakhase> tldr is somewhat along ""only ssh" in AND out, "but not on ssh localhost" - no load, no RNG problems, Network is fine (my VNC session is and remains active)" Sonny_Jim
[17:21] <Sonny_Jim> What's the CPU load like?
[17:21] <tabakhase> 0.07, 0.09, 0.10
[17:21] <Sonny_Jim> Ok
[17:21] <Sonny_Jim> Are you using IPs or hostnames?
[17:22] <tabakhase> IP (and NoDNS is set on all clients&servers)
[17:22] <tabakhase> (UseDNS no to be exact)
[17:23] <Sonny_Jim> Have you looked to see if there's any crazy iptables rules?
[17:23] <BurtyB> can't see how that would help with it being slow after the connection
[17:23] <Habbie> my port question was inspired by iptables indeed
[17:23] <Sonny_Jim> Nothing else network related running, like a bandwidth monitor or anything like that?
[17:28] <tabakhase> yea no firewalls or anything... (ive got 100roots at work, so "i know some stuff" :P - alternative port is a good shot... ill try that in a moment
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[17:29] <Habbie> does a telnet to port 22 show the ssh banner quickly?
[17:29] <tabakhase> yep "instant" SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.7p1 Raspbian-5+deb8u3
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[17:29] <Habbie> weird
[17:29] <Habbie> that rules out DNS issues, although those seemed unlikely by now anyway
[17:30] <Sonny_Jim> I'm behind 12 proxies!
[17:34] <tabakhase> diffrent port changes nothing :/
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[17:34] <Sonny_Jim> Try dropbear
[17:34] <Habbie> +1
[17:34] <Sonny_Jim> If that sshd is still slow, then I'm all out of ideas
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[17:35] <Sonny_Jim> Maybe compare the sshd config to one that you know is good
[17:36] <ali1234> sounds like path MTU issues
[17:37] <Habbie> ali1234, i'd suspect those if ssh worked and http didn't, but it's the other way around
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[17:37] <ali1234> why?
[17:37] <ali1234> path MTU always hits ssh first
[17:37] <Habbie> hmm, not in my experience - ssh connection setup involves small packets while HTTP will quickly need big ones
[17:37] <Habbie> but
[17:38] <Habbie> tabakhase, can you tell us about the path between pi30 and the clients you test from?
[17:38] <ali1234> yes the setup requires small packets
[17:38] <ali1234> as soon as you try to transmit anything bigge than keystrokes it will break
[17:38] <Habbie> sure
[17:38] <Habbie> but it breaks way before that
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[17:40] <tabakhase> pi30 hangs in wlan, rest is cable (fritzbox 6490) but that all "was working perfectly fine 6 hours ago"
[17:40] <tabakhase> and ill bet it will be fine after a reboot too...
[17:40] <tabakhase> but ive seen the same issue yesterday, so it seems to be smth borked ;D
[17:40] <Habbie> so no routing happening anywhere
[17:40] <Habbie> just layer 2
[17:43] <SomeT> how do I log into my pi over ssh, I have enabled it the user is set to pi
[17:43] <tabakhase> the ngrep on pi30 also shows that it receives what my clients send jsut fine, just doesnt seem to bother answerign that much...
[17:43] <Habbie> SomeT, ssh pi@192.168.0.x
[17:43] <Habbie> SomeT, put the right IP in
[17:43] <SomeT> ok
[17:43] <SomeT> but whats my password?
[17:43] <Habbie> tabakhase, that makes strace on sshd interesting still
[17:43] <Habbie> SomeT, raspberry
[17:43] <SomeT> ok
[17:43] <Habbie> SomeT, or raspberrypi, i forget
[17:44] <binaryhermit> I'm pretty sure it's raspberry
[17:45] <SomeT> ok
[17:45] <SomeT> also a moment ago when I booted my pi
[17:46] <SomeT> it said fatal exception at end of kernal loading
[17:46] <SomeT> when I was switching from cli to desktop mode upon reboot
[17:46] <SomeT> but I unplugged and plugged back in and now everything is fine
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[17:46] <Habbie> tabakhase, i have to go for a bit, good luck, please let me know what it was if you find it :)
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[17:55] <tabakhase> to the left, client just "sitting there" no prompt (affter login) - to the right, sshd -d http://i.imgur.com/5RXvXD0.png
[17:56] <feliwir> how good are the chances the computational power of raspberry pi zero is enough for obstacle avoidance with OpenCV and RaspiCam v2?
[17:56] <tabakhase> and a strace doesnt tell "me" that much ether... this "looks okay" - but takes no input (so kinda dead again) http://i.imgur.com/m2lHOEF.png
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[17:58] <ShorTie> how fast you going, computational power isn't gonna get ya, but the lag will
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> feliwir: certain, for some definitions of those terms
[17:59] <feliwir> SpeedEvil, well i mean generic obstacle avoidance
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> It varies a little if you've got a quadcopter flying through undergrowth, or a lawnmower going at 2mph on a mostly empty lawn.
[17:59] <ShorTie> but are you going .5mph or 500mph ??
[18:01] <ali1234> why would there be lag?
[18:01] <ali1234> if it is on board
[18:01] <ShorTie> linux kernel
[18:01] <feliwir> SpeedEvil, i want obstacle avoidance on my quadcopter :D
[18:02] <feliwir> and maybe even tracking of persons
[18:02] * ShorTie snickers
[18:03] <feliwir> i want a snicker aswell :O
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[18:03] <SpeedEvil> Start with the lawnmower
[18:03] <feliwir> well i don't really need a lawenmower though :D
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> Quadcopter is going to take a _huge_ amount of computational power, compared to more relaxed things.
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> It also needs to react fast, and be reliable.
[18:04] * ShorTie Thinkz, I'd start with a beer fetcher
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> First step is to download (or generate) some quadcopter video, and start doing CV on it on the desktop
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> You can probably achieve useful results with really quite limited CV
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> Especially if you're happy to false positive on avoidance a lot
[18:07] <ShorTie> 'false positive on avoidance', sounds expensive
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[18:08] <tabakhase> DJI goes all radio on that...
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> False negative is expensive
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> false positive means you come to a stop to avoid hitting a distant cloud that's changed in lighting
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[18:08] <SpeedEvil> False negative means you think a tree is a cloud
[18:09] <tabakhase> happy little trees about to get brutally chopped up by a quad :D
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[18:15] <brianx> check out sparkfun's autonomous vehicle competition for some clues about the kind of challenges that hobbyists face with this sort of task. then scale them up for flying instead of ground vehicles.
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[18:24] <tabakhase> QoS/TOS is also not the issue :/
[18:26] <brianx> why do people take images of text? that has never made any sense to me.
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[18:28] <oq> brianx: because all they know is their smartphone
[18:29] <tabakhase> a few forum posts go towards SD card... this should be scandisc class10 32gb... but ill try with another one later (tomorrow)
[18:30] <tabakhase> and even if that where the issue, that should affect WAY more of my system than "only ssh" i guess...
[18:30] <brianx> lol, so this is what the world has come to. people who read books on video and expect us to watch, and people who take images of text because if smartphones.
[18:30] <tabakhase> and the fact that "ssh localhost (and even with wlan-ip)" is perfectly fine just entirely busts that for me.. :/
[18:31] <Habbie> tabakhase, agreed on the SD
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[18:33] <tabakhase> Habbie wb btw, not sure if youve seen that I posted a strace above, but nothing intresting from it...
[18:34] <Habbie> that's a client strace, i meant a server strace
[18:34] <Habbie> sshd
[18:34] <tabakhase> on the right is the sshd -d -D, left is client -v
[18:34] <Habbie> oh
[18:34] <Habbie> but this is a working connection
[18:34] <Habbie> if you push enter on the left
[18:35] <Habbie> how long until the prompt returns?
[18:35] <tabakhase> "i already typed "stuff" and hit enter about 100 times almost 5 minutes ago" - when that screeny was taken :D
[18:35] <Habbie> and the poll on the right does not return when you do that
[18:36] <Habbie> does the (first) enter show in ngrep/tcpdump?
[18:36] <tabakhase> yea i see all in on ngrep (run on pi30/sshd)
[18:37] <brianx> oq: i recently watched someone repair a laptop, they could only find the details on youtube, so they had to sit there going back and forth trying to catch the detail they needed and waiting as it rambled through the parts they didn't need. the whole time i was thankful that i wasn't stuck with the repair, and thinking that they could have finished in a fraction the time if the docs had been a webpage
[18:37] <brianx> instead of youtube.
[18:37] <Habbie> tabakhase, so you see the packets but sshd does not notice?
[18:37] <tabakhase> yep
[18:37] <brianx> youtube is the bane of human progress.
[18:37] <Habbie> tabakhase, that still suggests iptables is to blame..
[18:37] <Habbie> tabakhase, can you show me iptables -L -n and -L -n -t raw on pi30?
[18:38] <tabakhase> policy ACCEPT absolutely everywhere.
[18:39] <Habbie> and no rules
[18:39] <tabakhase> nothing else, not a single rule (appart from the one i had in for a bit to set QoS)
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[18:40] <Habbie> did you try rebooting pi30 yet?
[18:41] <tabakhase> "i know that this fixes it"... did yesterday at least... - im here because its second time in a row with exact same syntoms :F
[18:41] <Habbie> ok, understood
[18:41] <Habbie> are you able to wire pi30 for a bit?
[18:45] <tabakhase> hm.. complicated... i coudl get LAN there, but no screen, and its busy for about another 2 hours
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[18:46] <tabakhase> after that i could see to "hook LAN, see if ssh works, reboot, see if works, swapSD card, see if issue comes back tomorrow" -- or smth like that as actionplan...
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[18:48] <tabakhase> cant risk to brick me out of wlan when plugin LAN for the next 2 hours, after that sounds like a reasonable try..
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[18:48] <Habbie> ack
[18:49] <tabakhase> where i rly rly dont wanne blame wlan... ive got 208 droped packets accross a few hundred MB down, and virtually "nothing" lost in up (2.5gb!!)
[18:50] <tabakhase> and from ping - all the way to http download 30MB files works flawless, just not ssh
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[18:51] <tabakhase> and then "ssh in AND ssh out has issues" makes it super broken... - no idea how "ssh localhost works fine" mixes into that then :D
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[18:53] <brianx> tabakhase: aren't you the one who identified their http was going across ipv6 yesterday?
[18:53] <tabakhase> brianx uhm nope, first time in here today
[18:53] <brianx> ok
[18:54] <brianx> then my suggestion wouldn't have been useful. carry on.
[18:54] <tabakhase> and spend all day yesterday on esp8266 hacking :D starting to love these things..
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[19:09] <Habbie> esp8266 is fun
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[19:12] <redrabbit> have you tried OTA
[19:12] <Habbie> hmm?
[19:12] <redrabbit> its great
[19:12] <redrabbit> on esp8266
[19:12] <GenteelBen> It's the best, 10/10.
[19:12] <Habbie> i haven't yet
[19:12] <GenteelBen> Five stars, would use again.
[19:12] <redrabbit> i dont upload a sketch without OTA now
[19:12] <redrabbit> no going back
[19:12] <GenteelBen> What's OTA?
[19:12] <Habbie> i believe that :)
[19:12] <Habbie> GenteelBen, over the air
[19:13] <redrabbit> uploads are faster and you can plug it anywhere
[19:13] <Habbie> GenteelBen, so you can update your software over wifi
[19:13] <GenteelBen> ...
[19:13] <GenteelBen> Yeah I know what.
[19:13] <GenteelBen> But why are we talking about this w/RPis?
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[19:13] <GenteelBen> "OTA" ouside the mobile world = regular updates.
[19:14] <Habbie> sure
[19:14] <Habbie> but the esp8266 barely runs an OS
[19:14] <Habbie> so nothing is there by default
[19:14] <GenteelBen> The what?
[19:14] <Habbie> the esp8266
[19:14] <GenteelBen> The who?
[19:15] <redrabbit> dont feed him Habbie
[19:15] <Habbie> ack
[19:15] <redrabbit> ^^
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[19:17] <redrabbit> Habbie: i mean plugging in your esp based board to your computer is so low tech
[19:17] <Habbie> well it's still pretty impressive to me ;)
[19:17] <Habbie> but sure
[19:17] <redrabbit> one can only tolerate that for a little while
[19:18] <redrabbit> lol
[19:18] <Habbie> so far my projects have allowed it to remain plugged in while developing
[19:18] <Habbie> i can totally see how this is not true for all projects
[19:18] <redrabbit> i have a project the usb port is hidden inside an closed box its a mess to plug it in
[19:18] <redrabbit> ^^
[19:20] <Habbie> ack
[19:20] <redrabbit> to enable OTA you basically add OTA lines to your sketch and you modify the stuff around them
[19:20] <Habbie> those are arduino sketches?
[19:20] <redrabbit> yes, i can share mine if you care
[19:20] <Habbie> haven't done any arduino yet, so won't be much use to me
[19:20] <Habbie> for nodemcu i've pondered just downloading code on startup
[19:20] <Habbie> for most projects it's not like they can operate standalone anyway
[19:21] <redrabbit> oh, its quite easy to setup on arduino ide, you pick the right board in boards manager and upload
[19:21] <Habbie> so i've heard
[19:21] <Habbie> just never got around to it
[19:21] <redrabbit> depends whitch ESP you have
[19:21] <Habbie> there should be an actual arduino somewhere on my desk as well
[19:21] <redrabbit> nodemcu and wemos are easy
[19:21] <Habbie> unopened
[19:21] <redrabbit> with the micro usb
[19:22] <redrabbit> you just pick the right COM port
[19:22] <Habbie> yeah i have a few nodemcu but whenever i run out of them i order more wemos
[19:22] <Habbie> i mostly run out of them because i give them away though ;)
[19:22] <Habbie> btw, did you see Mongoose OS?
[19:23] <Habbie> also, the esp32 has come down in price nicely
[19:24] <Habbie> 'WEMS brand NodeMCU ESP32' that seems legit
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[19:25] <redrabbit> how much
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[19:26] <Habbie> like 8 bucks
[19:26] <Habbie> at aliexpress
[19:26] <Habbie> just ordered one
[19:26] <Habbie> free surprise in 4 weeks
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[19:26] <redrabbit> ok
[19:27] <redrabbit> as much as a orange pi zero
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[19:27] <Habbie> i bet, i haven't explored the non-raspberry stuff at all
[19:28] <redrabbit> you can get the 256mb version for 10$ delivered
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[19:28] <Habbie> this one didn't mention ram/flash
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[19:36] <tabakhase> have noted for OTA tho, you loose half your storage :D
[19:37] <Habbie> yeah that makes sense
[19:39] <tabakhase> think its very simplistic irl, cut storage in half, onSetup http with your local md5 vs serverMD5 and download, swap active storage on success, reboot
[19:41] <SomeT> what is my pi device id?
[19:41] <Habbie> SomeT, what do you mean?
[19:41] <SomeT> can I find it by using the terminal
[19:41] <SomeT> its for an app where I am trying to connect
[19:41] <SomeT> it asks for device id
[19:41] <SomeT> then under hostname
[19:41] <Habbie> what app?
[19:41] <SomeT> http://www.thethingbox.io/docs/Distance.html
[19:41] <SomeT> trying to do this tutorial
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[19:42] <SomeT> but ios it asks for device id
[19:42] <Habbie> i think with owntracks you decide the deviceid
[19:44] <redrabbit> tabakhase: it doesnt use that much storage on a wemos
[19:44] <redrabbit> maybe with cheaper options its a problem
[19:44] <SomeT> I typed in all sorts in devic e id
[19:44] <redrabbit> no issue on nodecmu either
[19:44] <SomeT> but I get erros
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[19:45] <tabakhase> redrabbit ive not used any of that yet and only started digging into that stuff very recent, - but to my understanding "cut it in half permanently" is the only way for that --- tho, thats all just "hearsay" from stuff ive watched
[19:46] <Habbie> it doesn't have to be true
[19:46] <Habbie> but it certainly is the easiest way to implement it
[19:46] <redrabbit> i haven't seen any con so far
[19:46] <tabakhase> ive consumed pretty much all of that guys YT by now :D https://github.com/SensorsIot/IOTappStory.com
[19:46] <redrabbit> space have not been a problem for me either
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[19:47] <tabakhase> some of that might be dated by now... think thats all from before ArduinoOTA was a thing as it seems to be now..
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[19:51] <SomeT> anyone know if there is a way in pi terminal to ping / check mqtt protocol?
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[19:55] <redrabbit> maybe namp?
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[19:55] <redrabbit> nmap
[19:55] <Habbie> SomeT, sudo apt-get install mosquitto-clients
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[19:55] <Habbie> SomeT, then use mosquitto_pub and/or mosquitto_sub
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[20:02] <SomeT> its thingbox
[20:02] <SomeT> it should have it already?
[20:02] <SomeT> ?
[20:03] <Habbie> no idea
[20:03] <Habbie> it would not surprise me
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[20:04] <SomeT> I tried this command
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[20:05] <SomeT> mosquitto_sub/mosquitto_pub
[20:05] <SomeT> exactly like that
[20:05] <SomeT> and nothing
[20:05] <Habbie> they are separate commands
[20:05] <Habbie> please read the mosquitto docs
[20:07] <SomeT> ok
[20:07] <SomeT> I found out to run mosquitto server
[20:07] <SomeT> I just type mosquitto
[20:07] <SomeT> but its saying address already in use
[20:07] <SomeT> I can't find mosquitto docs btw
[20:07] <Habbie> i bet it's already running
[20:08] <SomeT> how can I tell? :'(
[20:08] <SomeT> https://iotmakerblog.wordpress.com/category/iot/
[20:08] <SomeT> I found this page tells me how to test it
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[20:23] <max3> can someone help me out: i'm trying to get an ir receiver working but when i connect the data pin to the gpio 18 (original raspberry pi) i don't see anything on piscope
[20:24] <tabakhase> SomeT maybe take that for a spin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpg6RSHS4Zc all in one more or less out of the box...
[20:24] <tabakhase> and if its only for "how to use" starting at about 5 minutes in
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[20:32] <SomeT> ok thx
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[21:32] <tabakhase> so more fun on my ssh issue... even after reboot still broken (thats new)
[21:33] <tabakhase> but via cable ssh WORKS! (to be noted that thats also a diffrent IP, so im not clear yet whats up) --- but more intresting - this is the first time i ever used the cable on it. and ive used it all last week over ssh just fine
[21:33] <tabakhase> and the most recent change was a apt upgrade i belive with the last pieUpdate
[21:33] <tabakhase> so i blame them? :D
[21:34] <tabakhase> (next steps are retry wlan, try wlan on another pie with that SD, and ith "initial IP again"....)
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[21:36] <tabakhase> ((as in Linux raspberrypi 4.9.24-v7+ #993 SMP Wed Apr 26 18:01:23 BST 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux that is))
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[21:37] <Quatroking> anyone here who uses rasplex with berryboot?
[21:38] <tabakhase> retry wlan = still no ssh, hardware switch inbound...
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[21:39] <Quatroking> oh, nevermind, found an image
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[21:43] <tabakhase> okay....
[21:43] <tabakhase> i blame smth broken. cant even wlan-ssh to my other pi
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[21:56] <redrabbit> [B
[21:56] <redrabbit> [B
[21:57] <tabakhase> the second one is a "fresh install" via web, nothing touched but ssh activated
[21:58] <tabakhase> im gonna build a older image... and see, so without Apr 26 patches...
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[22:01] <hamdy> Hi
[22:01] <hamdy> I would like to install and use WineHQ on my Raspberry Pi3, on Raspbian. Is it possible please ?
[22:01] <Quatroking> that rainbow image when you start up your rpi, that's part of the bootloader, right
[22:02] <Quatroking> hamdy, https://wiki.winehq.org/ARM
[22:02] <Lartza> hamdy, Yes, but what do you expect to run with it?
[22:03] <hamdy> Lartza : Notepad++, mIRC etc small 32 bit softwares
[22:03] <Lartza> hamdy, Yeah that's not going to happen
[22:03] <Quatroking> x86 win apps don't work on ARM WineHQ
[22:03] <Lartza> hamdy, Those are not ARM software but x86
[22:03] <Quatroking> and vice versa
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[22:03] <hamdy> Quatroking : And there is no way to make it work ?
[22:04] <Lartza> There is but it costs
[22:04] <Lartza> https://eltechs.com/product/exagear-desktop/
[22:05] <hamdy> Lartza : I'm looking for an easy way
[22:05] <Lartza> That is easy, it just isn't free
[22:05] <hamdy> Lartza : I mean a FREE way
[22:05] <Lartza> afaik
[22:05] <hamdy> :p
[22:05] <Lartza> There is no free way
[22:05] <Lartza> You can cobble qemu together with wine but it'll be slow
[22:05] <Quatroking> honestly you're better off with something like an intel NUC or something similar if you want to run x86
[22:05] <hamdy> Lartza : thanks for the info
[22:06] <Lartza> Yeah that would probably be better than buying exagear, NUC that is
[22:06] <Quatroking> look into mini/nano/pico-itx boards
[22:06] <redrabbit> [B
[22:08] <Quatroking> btw why would you run mirc on linux when you got xchat
[22:08] <redrabbit> oops. damned binds. look into cheap x86 stuff.. i have a board based on the FT3 Kabini A4-5000, pretty good
[22:08] <redrabbit> or irssi
[22:08] <Lartza> Quatroking, hexchat!
[22:08] <Lartza> Let xchat die
[22:08] <Quatroking> did they rename the linux version to hexchat, finally?
[22:08] <Lartza> Uhh it has always been hexchat?
[22:08] <Lartza> It's a fork
[22:09] <Lartza> Well it was XChat-WDK way back when it was Windows only but
[22:09] <Quatroking> I've been running hexchat on windows for years but on debian it was always xchat
[22:09] <Lartza> Different software
[22:09] <redrabbit> irssi dont even need a gui _o
[22:09] <Quatroking> ah I see, xchat hasn't been updated since 2013
[22:09] <Quatroking> that sounds about right
[22:10] <Lartza> https://packages.debian.org/en/jessie/xchat
[22:10] <Lartza> https://packages.debian.org/jessie/hexchat
[22:10] <Lartza> So yeah, a fork
[22:10] <Lartza> no renames
[22:10] <Quatroking> Yeah
[22:10] <Lartza> debian should just drop xchat from the repos and I hope they do for the next release
[22:11] <Lartza> actually they probably will since xchat is not in sid or stretch
[22:12] <Quatroking> Alright, time to copy the directory structure of retropie to my server so I can store all my games there
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[22:30] <SomeT> when I turn off my pi it still shows I can connect over wifi to it?
[22:31] <ShorTie> how do you 'turn off my pi' ??
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[22:34] <SomeT> in terminal?
[22:34] <SomeT> sudo shutdown –h
[22:34] <SomeT> bye
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[22:41] <Quatroking> hm
[22:42] <Quatroking> maybe I should buy some tiny heatsinks and add those to my rpi
[22:42] <Quatroking> right now the cpu is at 58c, idle
[22:42] <Quatroking> my damn server runs 10 degrees lower than that
[22:42] <Quatroking> ls
[22:42] <ShorTie> 58c, it has not even got warm yet
[22:42] <Quatroking> how warm does it usually get?
[22:43] <ShorTie> does not start shutting down till after like 80-82c
[22:44] <Quatroking> even so 58c is too high imo
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[22:46] <ShorTie> got it in a case ??
[22:46] <Quatroking> yup
[22:46] <ShorTie> i'd get some better air flow threw it before heat sinks
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[22:47] <ShorTie> but truely, i would not worry about it
[22:49] <redrabbit> add a heatsink, they dont cost much
[22:49] <redrabbit> theses temps are fine though
[22:49] <ShorTie> they can do more harm then good too...
[22:49] <redrabbit> the heatsink will help a bit but dont expect miracles
[22:49] <redrabbit> well depends on which one you buy i guess
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[22:50] <shauno> I think airflow's more important than a heatsink. else the heatsink is sinking to .. where?
[22:50] <Encrypt> Quatroking, Buy a Pi Holder Case :))
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[22:50] <Encrypt> Quatroking, http://share.encrypt-tips.tk/rpi3.jpg
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[22:51] <Encrypt> $ sudo vcgencmd measure_temp
[22:51] <Encrypt> temp=35.8'C
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[22:52] <Quatroking> lol
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[22:52] <Quatroking> is that a milled case?
[22:52] <Encrypt> Quatroking, https://wickedaluminum.com/collections/frontpage/products/pi-holder-pi-3-case-w-heat-dissipation
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[22:52] <Encrypt> That's expensive though :>
[22:53] <Quatroking> yeah no kidding
[22:53] <[ill]will> 1%
[22:56] <ShorTie> it's crazy imho
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[22:57] <KevinCarbonara> i'm about to pull the trigger on a raspberry pi. Was looking at this one: https://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Complete-Starter-Kit/dp/B01C6Q2GSY
[22:57] <KevinCarbonara> I don't knowmuch about them but I would like to get the "best" one if there is such a thing
[22:57] <redrabbit> i heard someone here saying the sd readers on theses kits sucks
[22:58] <redrabbit> id rather buy stuff separately if convinient
[22:58] <redrabbit> same for the rest of the parts, sd card without brand or class / no name psu that is meh
[22:58] <KevinCarbonara> I didn't realize the psu was proprietary
[22:59] <redrabbit> its not really, tbh the kit is probably fine
[22:59] <redrabbit> its not exelent value though
[22:59] <KevinCarbonara> I already have a spare SD card I think, 64gb class 10
[22:59] <redrabbit> well use that and dont buy another one
[22:59] <KevinCarbonara> Where would you suggest I buy? I'm definitely open to suggestions
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[22:59] <redrabbit> buy stuff you need by the item, no kits
[23:00] <KevinCarbonara> like this? https://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Model-Bare-Essentials-Kit/dp/B01EW3QU22/
[23:00] <ShorTie> i like the chromebook's 5.25v@3amp for a supply
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[23:00] <KevinCarbonara> it's not quite as barebones as it says, it has two heatsinks and a power cord
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[23:01] <redrabbit> KevinCarbonara: yeah, and pick a case of your choice
[23:01] <ShorTie> never have a power problem with it
[23:01] <redrabbit> eventual hdmi cable (you may not need it)
[23:01] <KevinCarbonara> Alright, I got a case picked out, but... want to run it by someone in case it has something like heat problems: https://www.amazon.com/Old-Skool-NES-case-Raspberry/dp/B01M4OOY4U/
[23:01] <redrabbit> dont worry about heat too much
[23:02] <KevinCarbonara> but the pi 3 model b is the latest one?
[23:02] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[23:03] <redrabbit> the lastest is the pi0w
[23:03] <polprog> honestly you can always hook up a small PC fan (like those tiny secondary mobo ones) to the 5V rail to blow out the excess heat :P
[23:03] <redrabbit> lol polprog that's quite nasty
[23:03] <redrabbit> pick a noisy one as well ^^
[23:03] <KevinCarbonara> I just noticed the other cases had holes, presumably to allow for heat to escape
[23:04] <redrabbit> yeah holes are always good
[23:04] <KevinCarbonara> the nes style case looks pimp but I could totally see something like that being a gimmick that didn't work well
[23:04] <redrabbit> its definitely not improving the function of the rpi.
[23:04] <KevinCarbonara> ironically they included the air vent pattern on the top that the NES had, but it doesn't seem to actually have holes
[23:05] <polprog> redrabbit: seriously now, if you run a 12V fan on 5V it's quiet
[23:05] <clever> (facepalm)
[23:05] <KevinCarbonara> screw it, I've got a dremel
[23:05] <redrabbit> you can add a little grill
[23:06] <redrabbit> i mean adding a fan on something designed to be fanless is evil... i really like silence
[23:06] <ShorTie> fan's get dirty
[23:07] <KevinCarbonara> alright. I think I'll pull the trigger on these two items unless you guys have a better suggestion than getting it from amazon
[23:07] <polprog> i remember a tiny heatsink i bought for the raspi, but normally the bare chip is OK, it's designed to be ran bare.
[23:07] <ShorTie> i screw mine to a piece of 3" channel, good air flow, lol.
[23:07] <polprog> unless your case is hermetic waterproof stuff, the connector holes are more than enough for ventillation
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[23:09] <redrabbit> a heatsink costs 1$ so why not add it
[23:09] <polprog> it looks nice too
[23:09] <redrabbit> it does improves temps a little bit
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[23:11] <KevinCarbonara> I'm mostly buying this to replace my full-tower server that isn't doing anything but running irssi
[23:11] <redrabbit> smart buy
[23:11] <KevinCarbonara> the server is old if that's what you mean
[23:11] <redrabbit> its gonna pay for itself with the power bill saving alone
[23:11] <ShorTie> then you already have a case then
[23:12] <KevinCarbonara> lmao
[23:12] <redrabbit> i had an old pc as a server as well
[23:13] <KevinCarbonara> but I figure I'll try out a few things like emulators at the very least. It's probably not powerful enough to host websites so I'll keep this server in storage
[23:13] <redrabbit> used like 10 euro / month electricity
[23:13] <redrabbit> its quick to figure out a low power solution pays for itself
[23:13] <redrabbit> its good enough to serve websites
[23:13] <polprog> honestly i have a VPS for running irssi, no need to open my chineesium router ports to the internet
[23:14] <redrabbit> same.. vps for irssi
[23:14] <KevinCarbonara> I use asp.net and I'm going to want to try out linux hosting when I move to .net core, but I expect it to be a bit of a resource hog
[23:14] <KevinCarbonara> how much does the vps cost?
[23:14] <redrabbit> sounds heavy af
[23:14] <redrabbit> my vps cost me 3-4euro per month
[23:15] <redrabbit> 23:15 -!- Irssi: Uptime: 226d 16h 59m 25s
[23:15] <redrabbit> guess that says it all
[23:15] <redrabbit> :)
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[23:19] <redrabbit> 3,59€/mo to be precise
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[23:22] <KevinCarbonara> that's not bad
[23:22] <KevinCarbonara> but I like doing things myself. it probably costs me more
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[23:23] <KevinCarbonara> how is video playback on these things? if I put some decent quality 1080p vids on the sd card, could they be played back at 24fps?
[23:23] <ShorTie> most likely, but you can say 'I did it my way"
[23:24] <ShorTie> most likely not
[23:24] <ShorTie> 720 is about the best
[23:24] <ShorTie> usb bandwidth plays a role
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[23:26] <KevinCarbonara> usb? it uses hdmi, right?
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[23:27] <ShorTie> hdmi gotta get it's data from somewhere
[23:29] <nacelle> sd goes over sd, not usb
[23:29] <nacelle> but same diff
[23:29] <nacelle> might want to use usb :-)
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[23:30] <nacelle> https://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi/blog/2017/01/16/raspberry-pi-3-block-diagram
[23:30] <CoJaBo> ..wat
[23:30] <CoJaBo> HDMI goes over HDMI, not USB
[23:31] <mfa298> I'm pretty sure you can get 1080p video on most pi's as long as you use the right format (h264) and software (omxplayer, kodi)
[23:31] <ShorTie> but where does HDMI get it's data from ??
[23:31] <ShorTie> out of thin air ??
[23:31] <CoJaBo> ShorTie: ..the GPU?
[23:31] <CoJaBo> not sure what you're asking there
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[23:31] <ShorTie> which gits it's data from ??
[23:32] <CoJaBo> The CPU
[23:32] <nacelle> ShorTie: they said put the videos on the sd
[23:32] <ShorTie> sdcard is on the usb !!
[23:32] <CoJaBo> It's a hardware decoder tho, so the GPU is the one actually doing the work
[23:32] <shauno> no it isn't
[23:32] <nacelle> sdcard is on sd, no usb
[23:32] <nacelle> not usb
[23:33] <CoJaBo> ShorTie: It's a SoC, most I/O is built-in, not on some other bus
[23:33] <mfa298> considering most video files are likely no more tha a few mbit/s I doubt you'll stress usb/sd too much to get the data for the gpu to decode
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[23:33] <CoJaBo> It plays 1080p60 just fine
[23:34] <CoJaBo> Even 1080i60, which none of my computers can do at all for some reason
[23:34] <shauno> the biggest deal is basically just the codec. find something the gpu is designed to handle natively (like h264), and it's fine for most usages
[23:34] <shauno> if you try to use something that needs to fall back to the cpu, less so
[23:35] <mfa298> p60 should probably be better than i60, although in some parts of the world p50 or p48 would make more sense
[23:35] <CoJaBo> If you try to use something that needs to fall back to the cpu, it generally won't play at all.
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[23:37] <shauno> (as I understand it, that's actually what this SoC was originally designed for)
[23:38] <mfa298> well the Pi1 SoC was, Pi2/Pi3 Soc is an extension of the otiginal Pi1 SoC
[23:39] <ShorTie> ya, the SoC was designed for set top boxes
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[23:43] <shauno> right, that's why it has some odd quirks like the gpu owning the cpu's l2. but it means playback is actually a strength. the gpu was meant to fling video, and the cpu was meant to get video into the cpu. everything else has been a happy bonus
[23:43] <shauno> (or an absurdly successful way to sell off their end-of-line heh)
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[23:48] <mfa298> so successful they sold off the end-of-line chips and have then had to do more fabrication runs of that chip and some updated re-spins with extra cores ;)
[23:49] <jancoow> Hi. When I restart or start new omxplayers, sometimes I get a blank screen and the video output of the pi "crashes". Even a reboot doesn't help, I need to force removing the power
[23:49] <jancoow> Why is this?
[23:49] <jancoow> it looks like the gpu crashes or something ~
[23:51] <jancoow> What I want to do is display 4 720p streams in a grid (this is working perfectly!) and when hitting a button (1 ,2 ,3 ,4 for example) display only that stream on full screen
[23:51] <jancoow> But killing and restarting the omx player is not reliable
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[23:54] <jancoow> I also still see a lot of network acdtivity after killing omxplayer
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[23:59] <dreamon> jancoow, did you try a version of mpv? I tried a lot, an found out that mpv is better than omxplayer.

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