#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-10-30

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[0:08] <{HD}> Can I have a raspi0w w/camera be a bluetooth camera connected to a raspi3? I find the witeless on the 0w is lame.
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[0:10] <modp> do raspberry pi's need heatsinks?
[0:10] <{HD}> NEED no
[0:10] <{HD}> But can/do benefit from them
[0:11] <Syliss> keeping the heat down helps prolong them and reduce power usage
[0:11] <modp> i see these little stick-on ones sometimes in kits, but then it would seem any heatsink you stick on probably doesnt work well anyways
[0:11] <Syliss> they work fine
[0:12] <modp> figured the tape wasnt properly head conductive
[0:12] <Syliss> i stole some out of broken wireless gear and they dissipated heat well
[0:12] <modp> heat
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[0:13] <xorpad> my raspberry pis have some heat sinks... little cheap ones, I spent like $1 for each set
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[0:16] <{HD}> modp: the thermal tape that came on mine was top notch. If you got one with like double stick scotch then probably not so good.
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[0:19] <Tekknobard> I would think that if they're passing out a heat sink they're smart enough to add the proper tape.
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[0:20] <modp> one can hope
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[0:25] <Syliss> yeah needs to be the proper tape
[0:25] <xorpad> the heat sinks I have are expensive imo... $1 for 2 tiny pieces of aluminum
[0:25] <xorpad> they should come in bulk liek 20 for $1
[0:25] <xorpad> lol
[0:26] <stiv> welcome to the economies of scale
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[0:26] <modp> hmm...none of the heatsinks i have now are small enough to fit. no matter which way i turn this hyper212 evo, it wont go on
[0:27] <Syliss> lol
[0:27] <xorpad> rofl
[0:27] <xorpad> also big ups for the hyper 212 evo
[0:28] <xorpad> I have my pi v3 hooked up to my massive custom built water cooling system... you think that's enough?
[0:28] <Tekknobard> This should be fun, let's see if the x86 RPi Desktop distro has the Hyper-V kernel extensions...
[0:28] <xorpad> I had some extra thingys to attach to stuff for the cooling system so I put it on it
[0:28] <xorpad> It's mostly cooling a massively overclocked ryzen
[0:28] <xorpad> but it's also cooling the pi
[0:29] <xorpad> 4.865ghz 4000mhz ram 122mhz bus
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[0:36] <as2333> pointers on how to get rid of systemd on stretch ?
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[0:38] <Tekknobard> systemd -- is that ugly thing still around?
[0:39] <as2333> so it seems
[0:40] <ShorTie> there is a howto get rid of it
[0:40] <as2333> I wonder who are the retards (or worse) behind it
[0:41] <as2333> ShorTie, link ?
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[0:44] <ShorTie> here is 1 of many from Mr.Goolge, https://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/117634-gnu-linux-debian-without-systemd
[0:44] <ShorTie> Mr.Goolge knows all
[0:44] <ShorTie> lol.
[0:45] <as2333> thanks - I thought you meant a rpi-specific howto
[0:46] <as2333> as to mr.goolge, it pretty much sucks except as government spying tool
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[2:07] <as2333> priceless https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420
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[2:38] <ball> I've just noticed that at least one of my Raspberry Pi boards has the 26-pin header.
[2:39] <ball> Looking at pinouts, looks like that's mostly extra GPIO pins but also an I2C ID PROM.
[2:39] <ball> ...is that to identify what HAT I'm wearing?
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[2:48] <ali1234> ball: yes, but hardly any hats use it
[2:48] <ball> ali1234: Thanks
[2:48] <ali1234> it is also the i2c bus which controls the camera
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[2:49] <ali1234> it is normally under vc control, but you can let the arm access it, but that breaks the camera etc
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[2:57] <ball> I should buy a Pi NoIR 2 at some point.
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[3:02] <ali1234> the v2 camera isn't that different from v1
[3:02] <ali1234> in some situations it is worse
[3:02] <ball> I don't have the v1.
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[3:22] <Populus> hiya, i've got a raspberry pi 3 model b and am going to purchase a battery with a powerboost charger but I am not entirely certain if the voltage/amp is right. could someone look at the two items i intend to buy and tell me if it'll work? adafruit.com/product/2465 and /product/328
[3:25] <ShorTie> don't look like much to me .. :/~
[3:27] <ball> In my experience Adafruit are good people. Did they recommend this for use with the Raspberry Pi 3?
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[3:28] <ShorTie> how long do you want this thing to run on battery ??
[3:29] <ShorTie> what kinda of stuff is going to be hooked up ??
[3:29] <Populus> ball I have not talked to them, just been browsing for a way to make my raspberry + display completely wireless.
[3:30] <ShorTie> not saying it will not work, just saying i do not think it will last very long
[3:30] <as2333> oh ok so systemd is commercial garbage from one particular company. - that starts to explain things
[3:30] <Populus> ShorTie: Well, as long as the best battery will hold for me while also retaining the ability to continously charge if need be. Only peripheral plugged in will be a wireless keyboard which I think will draw about 100mA.
[3:31] <Populus> Goal is to have a small portable IRC tablet. :)
[3:32] <ShorTie> how you gonna power the screen ??
[3:32] <shauno> 1A isn't much for a pi3, let alone pi3+display. I'd be wary of that
[3:32] * ShorTie concures
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[3:34] <Populus> Alright, thanks for the input. I'll continue browsing and reading!
[3:35] <ShorTie> you like gotta start backwards for batteries
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[3:35] <ShorTie> 1. how ling do i want it to last
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[3:35] <ShorTie> 2. what will i have attached
[3:35] <shauno> right. it's like shoes. how big are my feet, and what do I plan on doing in them. you don't just pick the first pair that look pretty, and hope you can make it work
[3:35] <ShorTie> those give you the size of the battery needed
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[3:36] <ShorTie> then add in a fudge factor of your choice
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[3:38] <red9> What is the minimum resistance needed to make a Raspberry Pi GPIO go "0" or "1" ? (ie input current). Tried various searches without success. The data on this is sparse.
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[3:43] <as2333> aren't the inputs voltage sensing FETs? Input currents are tiny?
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[3:44] <red9> Input currents are very tiny. In the micro ampere range. But the do matter when external I/O needs to signal reliably.
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[3:45] <red9> adding cable lengths, capacitance, timing limits, energy efficiency etc.. well then it matters.
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[3:49] <red9> btw, is there any power efficient sleep mode in the works for the raspberry pi? 100 mA at 5 V is not power efficient.
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[3:50] <shauno> unlikely (although entirely crystal-ball territory)
[3:50] * ball crystal
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[3:51] <ball> red9: Have you considered having something smaller and lighter power up the Pi when you need some maths done, or communication with the outside world?
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[3:51] <red9> Had some ideas on battery powering, sensors and radio comms. Sleep sleep sleep sleep wake-send! sleep..
[3:51] * ball nods
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[3:51] <red9> ball, have considered it. But it complicates matters. one-stop-shop is nice.
[3:52] <ball> What sort of radio comms, out of interest?
[3:52] <shauno> the SoC family they're using is intended for set-top-boxes (hence being essentially structured as a GPU with a supervisory CPU). <100mA simply isn't a high priority for such applications
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[3:52] <shauno> so I say unlikely in that it's possible, but it's probably not very high up the list
[3:52] <red9> ball, temperature and other weather related measurements.
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[3:53] <red9> I figure if they had it in the pipeline. Someone here would have read/heard it.
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[3:54] <shauno> I dunno. in the past rumours have only really sprang up in the weeks before a release
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[3:55] <red9> Going straight for spinning a properly wired ARM32 seems more efficient than bothering fixing the RPi. Unless it can be modded. ARM chips use to be efficient in general.
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[3:56] <ball> red9: ...or something lighter, if you can make it do what you're looking for.
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[3:56] <red9> The advantage with the RPi is that it's powerfull enough for a full Unix environment. Which makes logging in to various WLAN's easy. Doing the same in realmode MCU means usually implementing all the protocolls from scratch.
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[3:57] <red9> w8.. isn't it the USB thingies that suck current in sleepmode?
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[3:57] <ball> red9: Amongst other things, sure.
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[3:58] <red9> So disconnecting those = sleep mode works?
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[3:59] <ball> red9: You're making at least one leap there I think.
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[3:59] * ball looks some things up
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[4:00] <red9> (I suspect the main CPU/GPU chip to be alright)
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[4:02] <shauno> a little off-topic, but have you looked to see if the esp family of micros fit?
[4:04] <red9> esp8266 etc?
[4:04] <shauno> yeah
[4:04] <red9> MCU – STMicro STM8S003F3P6 8-bit MCU @ 16 MHz with 1KB RAM, 8KB flash, and 128 bytes EEPROM - tight?
[4:05] <ball> That would probably qualify as "something lighter"
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[4:05] <red9> "802.11 b/g/n WiFi" - that is nice. But then you usually need to add lot's to login to ISP networks.
[4:06] <red9> (https://www.watterott.com/de/AI-Thinker-ESP8266-ESP-14-WiFi/WLAN-Modul-STM8S-MCU)
[4:06] <shauno> just a thought. they have a reasonable community around them, and get you wifi on a much tighter power budget
[4:06] <red9> "Standby mode 70 mA; 0.5 μA shutdown @3.3V" - That surely fit the battery bill. And to make sure it really lasts. Some chinese solar cell can be added.
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[4:08] <red9> The situation is like.. there is a public wlan but it requires a login, so any device has to be able to login, upload data and shutdown.
[4:09] <red9> radius + 802.1x for authentication
[4:11] <shauno> well, I have to admit I've no idea how suitable they are for that, I've only used them in my own home. just bouncing ideas
[4:11] <red9> if the authentication/login can be suspended and not needing to be redone at every wakeup would be even better.
[4:12] <red9> home - easy ; public wlan - ouch ;)
[4:12] <shauno> on mine, wake up is just like a fresh boot
[4:14] <red9> another idea would be a mosfet that has a capacitor attached the keeps it switched off. And when the capacitor has leaked enough the power comes back.
[4:14] <shauno> the only difference I've seen between the microamp sleep and just being powered off, is that there's still a timer running to trigger the wakeup later
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[4:22] <red9> Something to test: GPIO -> diode -> capacitor -> ground ; said capacitor drives a MOSFET gate that let current flow into the computer. The capacitor has a resistor to +V.
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[4:23] <red9> So when the RPi or other MCU pulls the GPIO low the capacitor discharges and slowly becomes full charged at which time the computer comes on. A schmitt trigger may be needed.
[4:24] <red9> The question IS if the computer (RPi) will have enough time to keep the GPIO low long enough to discharge it into a meaningful sleep time.
[4:26] <Jonno_FTW> is it possible to pair a device using hcitool? or do i have to use bluetoothctl?
[4:33] <red9> Quite fantastic what these ARM32 / MIPS32 chips can do and the price point. Comparing it all with a C64 ;)
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[4:34] <red9> https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blogs/jeff-geerling/raspberry-pi-zero-power
[4:35] <red9> Says Raspberry Pi Zero goes to 80 mA at idle. That is probably the lowest one will get without the special tricks department.
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[6:34] <Tekknobard_w> do you have to load Raspbian to upload the firmware on an RPi3, or is there a way to do it via Windows 10 IoT?
[6:35] <HrdwrBoB> well, 'load' is a strong word
[6:35] <HrdwrBoB> you could just put it on a different card
[6:35] <Tekknobard_w> I have a multi-boot card
[6:36] <Tekknobard_w> but the question remains -- is there a way to upgrade the firmware from Windows 10 IoT or is that something I need to do from Raspbian?
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[6:48] <jmcgnh> Tekknobard_w: the "firmware" for Raspberry Pi is in a partition on the microSD card - the "firmware firmware" of the Raspberry Pi uses the GPU to load the firmware into memory and start the boot process.
[6:51] <jmcgnh> Tekknobard_w: I don't know if Windows 10 Iot has a program available that does wht rpi-update does
[6:51] <as2333> the booting code that the VC frist runs is stored in actual ROM, or is it flash memory?
[6:51] <jmcgnh> Tekknobard_w: for a bit more information, I think this page may help: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/4355/do-i-still-need-rpi-update-if-i-am-using-the-latest-version-of-raspbian
[6:52] <jmcgnh> Tekknobard_w: but some of the contributors on that page are confused. Caleb's answer seems to be the most apt
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[6:53] <Tekknobard_w> jmcgnh: reading now, but that may mean that W10IoT provides its own firmware that "updates" with the Windows build
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[6:54] <jmcgnh> Tekknobard_w: possibly, I couldn't find any information about it.
[6:54] <Tekknobard_w> or that I occasionally run raspbian to run the rpi-update
[6:54] <Tekknobard_w> will probably do the latter, it's not like I won't have multiple Pis to do it on and only one with W10IoT at this point
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[6:55] <jmcgnh> Tekknobard_w: that's an approach that we know will work
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[6:56] <Tekknobard_w> well, it's all pretty new to me and I'm having fun diving in
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[6:57] <Tekknobard_w> Got my ham license 2 years ago so I'd have an excuse to get into electronics, and now I have some projects that drew me into Arduino and RPi, so I'm having a lot of fun
[6:57] <jmcgnh> as2333: Not sure what you mean by VC. There is ROM firmware on the PI that loads "firmware" from a FAT partition on the SD card using the GPU, then transfers control to the ARM CPU
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[6:58] <jmcgnh> Tekknobard_w: I'll confess to being quite new at it myself, but one of the first things I did was investigate the boot process
[6:58] <as2333> jmcgnh, I mean the videocore processor/gpu. So is that ROM firmware actually stored in ROM, or is it some sort of EEPROM?
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[6:59] <jmcgnh> as2333: My impression was that is was "baked in" to the SOC, not subject to updates. But I don't know that definitively.
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[7:02] <as2333> Oh OK, thanks. My not too educated guess would be that it's eeprom. But it's just a guess
[7:03] <jmcgnh> as2333: if it's not too impolite to point to something that comes up in Google: http://wiki.beyondlogic.org/index.php?title=Understanding_RaspberryPi_Boot_Process
[7:04] <as2333> haha no problem
[7:04] <jmcgnh> as2333: I think this article may be what I read a year or so ago and gave me the impression the first stages of the boot program are "baked in"
[7:04] <as2333> I've seen that article but didn't read it in detail. Let me see....
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[7:05] <Tekknobard_w> jmcgnh: at least functionally baked in, for all intents and purposes
[7:09] <as2333> jmcgnh, so it says first stage bootloader is in rom and maybe I should take that at face value.
[7:09] <mlelstv> it's something that you cannot change. There are few one-time-programmable bits that change behaviour of the code.
[7:10] <as2333> so it's not ROM but technically PROM?
[7:11] <mlelstv> at least a few bits are PROM.
[7:11] <mlelstv> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/
[7:12] <mlelstv> my guess is that it's all PROM, but most of it can only be programmed in factory.
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[7:13] <mlelstv> but that's not really relevant, as you cannot erase it again.
[7:13] <as2333> yes, that makes sense.
[7:15] <as2333> and the first stage bootloader can boot over ethernet?
[7:15] <mlelstv> apparently.
[7:17] <jmcgnh> mlelstv: thanks for that pointer. I just never dug deep enough in the documentation tree.
[7:17] <mlelstv> it's something new for rpi3 (i.e. the bcm2837).
[7:19] <as2333> so the first stage botloader is not to be trusted =)
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[7:26] <mlelstv> you fist have to "program" the boot flags to enable the modes.
[7:26] <mlelstv> I also find boot-via-SPI interesting.
[7:28] <as2333> yes but the room has code to access the ethernet controller (hardly surprising I guess) and who knows what else.
[7:28] <as2333> rom
[7:28] <mlelstv> that's documented... :)
[7:30] <mlelstv> SD1, SD2, NAND, SPI, USB mass storage, USB network, USB device mode.
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[7:34] <mlelstv> hmm. The device mode only works with a Pi Zero, but is there a Pi Zero with 2837 ?
[7:34] <mlelstv> there is a compute module with 2837 that could do it.
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[7:35] <as2333> maybe I should get a novena but it's a bit more expensive than the pi...
[7:35] <mlelstv> what for?
[7:36] <as2333> general purpose =P
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[9:25] <dan2wik> Are there any other differences between the Pi0 and the Pi0w other than wifi?
[9:26] <dan2wik> I somehow destroyed the wifi chipset and would like to make the Pi identify as a Pi0 instead of a 0w
[9:27] <BurtyB> serial behaves differently possibly other things too
[9:28] <BurtyB> I doub't you'd be able to do that truely as it's probably in the chips OTP
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[9:31] <dan2wik> I wonder if I could use the SDIO and serial interfaces
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[9:34] <dan2wik> the esp8266 can do sdio with a kernel module.
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[9:38] <BurtyB> there's a pHAT with the same chip on iirc
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[9:38] <dan2wik> Yeah, but that ties up GPIO
[9:39] <BurtyB> depends what you mean by ties up gpio .. but using sdio / serial is going to use some
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[9:39] <dan2wik> Yeah, but connecting to the SDIO and serial under the dead wifi chip doesn't use up the GPIO on the header
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[9:40] <BurtyB> in that case good luck ...
[9:43] <binaryhermit> that sounds... somewhat difficult to do
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[9:43] <BurtyB> yeah I just looking up the pitch.. and it's 0.4mm so maybe not as bad as it could be heh
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[10:42] <dan2wik> I found the reason it stopped working
[10:43] <dan2wik> There is a big chip under the corner of the wifi chip
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[10:45] <dan2wik> I'm not certain why but it seems the silicon is de-laminating
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[11:04] <dan2wik> Bluetooth still works despite the chip turning back to sand.
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[11:05] <shiftplusone> dan2wik: photo?
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[11:11] <dan2wik> shiftplusone, https://i.imgur.com/f5gExps.jpg
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[11:13] <shiftplusone> did it arrive like that? did it get knocked by something? or was it just laying there and that happened by itself?
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[11:14] <dan2wik> I'm not certain
[11:14] <dan2wik> The corner was loose, but this has been with me for a few months now
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[11:30] <shiftplusone> fair enough
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[12:24] <Jack64> hi, I'm facing an issue with the rt2800usb driver for my wifi card that only happens on armv7 (Pi version) kali (x86/x64 works fine). For some reason, I can't get it to see 802.11 ACKs. is this the place to ask about this?
[12:25] <Habbie> same usb stick, same kali, just different architecture?
[12:25] <Jack64> yes
[12:25] <Jack64> exactly the same everything
[12:25] <Jack64> except kali is armv7
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[12:26] <Jack64> (and I assume rt2800usb is also armv7)
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[12:26] <Habbie> so if there is a difference, i suppose it would be in the respective kernels
[12:27] <Habbie> oh, or the firmware files
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[12:27] <Habbie> can you compare those? the firmware files for the usb dongle
[12:27] <Jack64> if you can tell me where they are :)
[12:28] <Habbie> they are in /lib/firmware on debian&friends, i sall i know
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[12:33] <Jack64> Habbie: I'll check when I get home, in a couple of hours
[12:33] <Habbie> alright
[12:33] <Jack64> I left the Pi off when I left for work this morning
[12:33] <Jack64> but I'm definitely wanting to fix this
[12:34] <Jack64> oh btw, this is only in monitor mode that I can't see it, I'm not sure if in managed mode it sees the ACKs it should
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[13:44] <fred1807> Anyone has got any idea how to update vgfont/font.c to accept unicode characters?
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[13:45] <tdn> Anyone know how to mount a RaspberryPi 3 on a wall with the official case?
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[13:47] * ShorTie Thinkz, Lag bolts
[13:47] <pksato> tdn: 3M VHB?
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[13:49] <shauno> duct tape
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[14:09] <fred1807> is ther any tool I can use to render text / overlay a omxplayer video? (not using X)
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[14:11] <Jack64> fred1807: I think ffmpeg can do that, better confirm tho
[14:12] <fred1807> actually not attached to the video playback
[14:12] <fred1807> to render a text on the screen
[14:12] <fred1807> frambuffer
[14:12] <Jack64> ah
[14:12] <Jack64> haven't looked into that then
[14:12] <Jack64> only for videos
[14:12] <Jack64> GL tho :) I'm off to lunch
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[14:15] <tdn> Those that use rpi for kodi or other media center use. Do you ever power off your PI? Or do you just turn off TV and leave the PI on?
[14:16] <Xavkno> leave it on
[14:16] <tdn> Problem is that there is no power switch button so it is difficult to turn it back on if I shut it down
[14:16] <tdn> Xavkno, ok
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[14:38] <SirLagz> anyone run Squid on the Pi 2? Notice any hits to bandwidth when running squid on a Pi ?
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[15:22] <doublehp> stupid thought: can a CSI video connector be used to input video stram from non-camera devices ? My need of the week is to build an IP-KVM. The cheapest ready to use KVM starts at 350�. It's possible to acquire the video signal for 50� by using a bunch of video adapters (VGA to DVI, then DVI to AV, then AV-USB acquisition board; yes, the sum of 3 devices is cheaper than all 3 in the same box). But, since Raspberry Pi already has a CSI connec
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[15:30] <BurtyB> doublehp, https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=120702 is about all I can remember seeing atm
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[15:31] <doublehp> BurtyB: it's more expensive than buying DVI-AV-USB adapters !!!
[15:36] <dan2wik> Is it possible to do DSI => CSI?
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[15:37] <dan2wik> I know the connectors are wired differently, but it sounds possible in my head
[15:37] <doublehp> dan2wik: I don't, know DSI. The CSI rPi adapters are here on sale https://auvidea.com/product-category/csi2bridge/ and see the products pages for specs
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[15:40] <doublehp> dan2wik: yes, the above link mentions SDI to CSI board for 300� (SDI, not DSI)
[15:43] <dan2wik> I was just thinking, if you could do DSI to CSI, you could attach a Pi0w to a Pi3 and have remote physical console
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[15:46] <doublehp> DSI != SDI ?
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[15:51] <Jack64> Habbie: ugh, forgot to check whether SSH was up. I guess I'm only checking that firmware thing after work. I'll keep you posted
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[15:58] <fred1807> is there a boardless browser I can use to create a tiny retangle of html content on screen?
[15:59] <dan2wik> You could put any browser into fullscreen
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[16:05] <fred1807> not full screen
[16:05] <fred1807> a small screen
[16:05] <fred1807> like a widget
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[16:07] <Habbie> Jack64, sure, good luck
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[16:10] <Jack64> Habbie: this will be a pain to test if I have to keep pulling the card from the Pi to the laptop for debugging :-X
[16:10] <Habbie> why would that be needed?
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[16:11] <Jack64> because I have to see which firmware is loaded in each?
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[16:12] <Jack64> have you heard of anyone having problems like this in parsing wifi packets?
[16:12] <Habbie> i have not heard of this, but that does not say much
[16:13] <Jack64> right
[16:13] <Jack64> I guess it's because it's a specific 802.11 frame
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[16:14] <Jack64> I'm using scapy and manipulating frames manually that's why I noticed it
[16:14] <Jack64> I can send you a few lines of python code that send the frame and what code I use on to sniff it on the other end (which works for x86/x64 anyway) if you want to try it yourself
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[16:28] <Habbie> Jack64, not that interested right now, thanks!
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[17:18] <r3> So I've got one of these: [ https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12781 ] powered by one of these: [ https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10469 ] and I have two questions: Any thoughts about a portable/wearable 12VDC source and how touchy is that [EL Inverter - 12v] ... would it accept 18V? 9V? I just don't have a 12V source handy that's wearable.
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[17:19] <r3> wrong channel, I am sorry
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[17:34] <gordonDrogon> a somewhat shocking experience if it wasn't properly insulated...
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[17:36] <mlelstv> better shocking than sparkling
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[18:04] <Roxxor91> Hey! I am running a headless Raspberry Pi 3 and would like to connect to wifi with network-manager (on raspbian). But somehow how I cant connect to Wifi. "nmcli dev" gives me: "wlan0 wifi unavailable" SOmebody knows how to fix this?
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[18:06] <plum> hey Roxxor91
[18:06] <plum> you need to edit /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[18:06] <plum> i think
[18:07] <plum> just ssh'd into a pi wirelessly to check lol
[18:07] <plum> i run most of mine headless
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[18:08] <Roxxor91> plum: Do you use network-manager, or do you configure via wpa_supplicant?
[18:09] <plum> oh wait no i think i'm using the wpa_supplicant way, my bad :(
[18:09] <plum> i don't believe i've used network-manager before
[18:09] <plum> so i'd be speaking from ignorance on that haha
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[18:10] <Roxxor91> network-amanger is abit nicer, as its one tool to configure eth and wifi. But if it makes trouble to set it up I should maybe just use wpa_supplicant. Do you ahve a link to a guide how to configure itß
[18:11] <plum> check out near the bottom of this page
[18:11] <plum> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=161202
[18:11] <plum> that looks like my setup
[18:11] <plum> this might be more detailed though
[18:11] <plum> https://caffinc.github.io/2016/12/raspberry-pi-3-headless
[18:12] <plum> this is assuming you're on Jessie though, i haven't tried Stretch myself
[18:12] <Roxxor91> plum: Thanks!
[18:13] <plum> no problem, hope it helps!
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[18:23] <Roxxor91> plum: I'm connected via WIFI. Thanks!
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[19:29] <DammitJim> what should I put in my script to exit properly and cleanup GPIOs when I use Ctrl + C?
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[19:32] <TechSmurf> DammitJim: Do you know what *would* clean up the GPIO, and are just looking for how to deal with the ^C?
[19:32] <DammitJim> just how to code something like that properly
[19:32] <akk> Python?
[19:32] <DammitJim> I know I can use in Python GPIO.cleanup()
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[19:32] <DammitJim> so, maybe my code structure is just bad
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[19:33] <TechSmurf> hmm.
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[19:33] <TechSmurf> I don't know how python handles ^C.
[19:33] <DammitJim> maybe this is NOT a raspberry pi problem, but rather a python problem
[19:33] <DammitJim> I have a loop where I am reading the brightness of the environment every 5 seconds
[19:33] <akk> DammitJim: https://github.com/akkana/pi-zero-w-book/blob/master/ch2/blink-rpigpio.py
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[19:34] <DammitJim> if the brightness is less than a threshold number, I turn on an LED
[19:34] <DammitJim> I want to make sure that when I Ctrl + C, that the GPIOs get cleaned up
[19:34] * TechSmurf nods
[19:34] <DammitJim> I do have a try block, but it's more for writing to a database (mysql)
[19:35] <TechSmurf> Makes sense... I do the same with serial io.. but my users have no kb, so I never had to catch ^C specifically.
[19:35] <DammitJim> which I would also like to close the database when the Ctrl + C is pressed
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[19:35] <DammitJim> thanks akk
[19:35] <DammitJim> weird that I did my code in reverse order!!!
[19:35] <DammitJim> I did the while first, then the try inside it
[19:35] <DammitJim> blah
[19:35] <DammitJim> I need to learn a better order of thinking
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[19:36] <akk> If you put the try inside the while you'll have to break out of the while, or sys.exit, if you get the exception.
[19:37] <DammitJim> yeah, such a simple thing!!
[19:37] <DammitJim> I just made it sooo much more complicated by starting the code like that
[19:37] <TechSmurf> And this is why I'm here... I don't have a question, but I just learned two useful things :)
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[19:40] <DammitJim> wow
[19:41] <DammitJim> very simple, thanks akk! I was able to put everything in a KeyboardInterrupt exception!
[19:41] <DammitJim> actually, I should put all that in a finally!
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[19:42] <akk> Yeah, maybe I should use finally too, but it never seems to matter much and I haven't gotten into the habit.
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[19:52] <pksato> DammitJim: https://docs.python.org/2/library/signal.html
[19:53] <akk> signal works too, but KeyboardInterrupt is easier.
[19:53] <DammitJim> I'll need to learn about signal
[19:53] <DammitJim> but the underlying problem has been taken care of, which was to code a graceful stopping of the app... even if it's not a keyboard interrupt
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[19:54] <DammitJim> ?
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[19:56] <pksato> with some examples https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1112343/how-do-i-capture-sigint-in-python
[19:58] <TechSmurf> Woot! It lives!
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[20:08] <DarkDrgn3k> any one know if rt2800usb divers still have issues?
[20:08] <DarkDrgn3k> running an iperf test seems to cut out for brief momdnets randomly
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[20:56] <gobostone> anyone using the adafruit stepper hat?
[20:56] <gobostone> I have a 12v stepper attached but it will only rotate using single steps. it glitches out when trying double, interleaved, or micro steps
[20:57] <gobostone> it just erratically bounces around
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[21:00] * stiv guesses: a timing issue OR your code is not doing what you think it is
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[21:06] <gordonDrogon> or the PSU. moar amps ...
[21:09] <stiv> good point! moar amps is always good
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[21:13] <gordonDrogon> especially for steppers & microstepping.
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[21:19] <{HD}> Whats the easiest way to power 10 raspberrypi 3s?
[21:20] <DarkDrgn3k> witht 10 power supplies?
[21:21] <MrBusiness> I guess you'd probably want to look for a powered UAB 3.0 hub, trying your best to maximize the wattage, and aiming for a good 2.5A minimu per port.
[21:21] <{HD}> 10 individual supplies! I was looking for something cheaper and lower profile.
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[21:21] <MrBusiness> ideally, having a hardware switch on each port will also help
[21:21] <{HD}> MrBusiness: that sounds ok
[21:21] <stiv> get $1 phone chargers from the dollar store
[21:22] <stiv> then see gordonDrogon's advice above
[21:22] <gobostone> I've got a 1 amp power supply for the hat
[21:22] <MrBusiness> if you want to get more elaborate, find yourself 10 Power over Ethernet GPIO expansion boards and hook those up to a 10 port gigabit hub with PoE enabled for all 10 ports, but I guarantee you that'll cost more
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[21:23] <MrBusiness> ah, what hat is it wearing? or do you mean that the hat is literally a 1amp PSU?
[21:23] <gobostone> I'm a different person
[21:23] <gobostone> and I'm still talking about getting my stepper motor to do microsteps
[21:23] <MrBusiness> ah
[21:24] <gobostone> :)
[21:24] <MrBusiness> interesting subject
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[21:24] <{HD}> Ill start with usb hubs
[21:24] <{HD}> To amazon!
[21:24] <MrBusiness> I need to see what other people have done about creating completely wireless- self-sustaining camera node Pis for a DIY security system.
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[21:26] <MrBusiness> Planning to hide from i Zero Ws that have been waterproofed as much as possinle in a big strawberry planter with a plastic plant in it, which probably means I'llneed an anti-static bag as well as a hardy, ideally waterproof outer bag, and perhaps a straw for heat release
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[21:26] <MrBusiness> honestly, the heat management aspect of this could prove more problematic than power delivery and introspection.
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[21:41] <{HD}> MrBusiness: cool project! I would be interested in updates. I have several 0ws around the house in the “official case” unhidden running motioneyeos...
[21:42] <MrBusiness> yeah. I mean, if I didn't live in an apartment I could just drill through the walls.
[21:42] <{HD}> I was thinking of doing something different but hadent decided what yet
[21:42] <MrBusiness> probably could do that anyway
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[21:42] <MrBusiness> given the state of the place and the relative non-chalance of my landlords
[21:42] <DammitJim> has anyone gotten an lcd display for the pi that covers all the pins?
[21:42] <DammitJim> I'd like to know what options one has to be able to use the pins while connecting the display
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[21:43] <{HD}> MrBusiness: are you going battery or wired? I was trying to find some good cheap longlasting barltteries
[21:43] <MrBusiness> not sure what even happened to most of my LCD-enabled Pis, but they were all B+es anyway
[21:43] <MrBusiness> batteries
[21:43] <MrBusiness> I've stumbled across a few kits on Amazon
[21:43] <MrBusiness> some using those yellow-bagged LiOn batteries
[21:43] <MrBusiness> others using rechargable 18000-series batteries ala eCigs
[21:44] <MrBusiness> some using regular AA/AAA
[21:44] <MrBusiness> I've even found a very small UPS
[21:44] <{HD}> I wonder how long an 18650 would last
[21:44] <drich93> hello, does anyone know if the "old" GL stack uses DMA or PWM engine ? I have erratic output on DMA-GPIO when using GL in parallel
[21:45] <MrBusiness> not sure, but I suspect that if you get ones with good maH rating, as I don't believe that they are all created equally within the 18000 series, then putting them in series oculd afforrd a great deal of maH
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[21:46] <MrBusiness> but yeah, the biggest problem I see with running a wire to my flower pot is that then I have a visible wire (or set of wires) leading to a planter, which is stranger than hell.
[21:47] <MrBusiness> oh wait, I also saw a video about water-cooling Pis. Apparently some company makes parts for that, and it would probably nip my heat issues straight in the bud.
[21:47] <MrBusiness> Lord knows though, this project could take me a very, very long time. I am not as quick as I used to be. Frankly, I need to find that original B+ I had sitting around and do something with it.
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[21:49] <MrBusiness> how many monitors has anyone ever gotten a single Pi to run? Has anyone made a cluster with a shared X.org configuration such that each Pi can independently drive a set of monitors interconnected/distributed over the cluster? I'm sure someone on YouTube has attempted it at least, so I reckon I shall look there
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[21:51] <DammitJim> what touchscreen lcd is recommended that doesn't use hdmi nor cover the GPIO header?
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[22:02] <DarkDrgn3k> DammitJim: well for one a touch screen needs more of an interface then just the ribbon..'
[22:03] <DarkDrgn3k> DammitJim: so proabbly going to be hard to find
[22:03] <BurtyB> DammitJim, dfrobot usb touch screen?
[22:03] <DarkDrgn3k> yeh thats proably going to be the only one..
[22:03] <DarkDrgn3k> to fit youre req
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[22:18] <DammitJim> thanks guys
[22:18] <DammitJim> dfrobot?
[22:19] <DammitJim> how about just a regular lcd screen, then?
[22:19] <DammitJim> no touchscreen
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[22:24] <DammitJim> all of the displays I'm looking at seem to use the header pins
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[22:25] <Lartza> DammitJim, Touch screens?
[22:25] <DammitJim> I'm giving up touchscreen
[22:25] <DammitJim> just lcd displays
[22:26] <Lartza> Composite?
[22:26] <DammitJim> over the ribbon connection
[22:27] <Lartza> Oh yeah, hmm
[22:27] <Lartza> Well, DSI, so not ribbon but flat flex
[22:27] <Lartza> Right? :P
[22:28] <DammitJim> yeah flex
[22:28] <DammitJim> sorry
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[22:29] <ShorTie> how big do you want the screen to be ??
[22:29] <DammitJim> don't care about the size, but the resolution... minimum of 320 pixels in resolution
[22:29] <ShorTie> those rear view monitors are preaty good
[22:30] <ShorTie> and be run from the pi
[22:30] <Lartza> So I mean, what's wrong with the official 7" touch screen for instance?
[22:31] <ShorTie> like this, https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-3-TFT-LCD-Car-Monitor-Reverse-Rearview-Mirror-Color-Camera-DVD-VCR-T7Q8/132159306152?epid=751528363&hash=item1ec54ef9a8:g:gwQAAOSwGy5Y8PKW
[22:32] <DammitJim> dsi
[22:32] <DammitJim> ugh
[22:32] <DammitJim> bbl
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[22:44] <kerio> i think there's just the one official touch screen for that connector
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[22:54] <Smeef> Whenever I try to RDP into Raspbian from Windows, the username/password always fails the first time, then works the second time. If I intentionally use the wrong password, I still have to use the right password, let it fail, then do it a second time to get in.
[22:54] <Smeef> Anyone know why?
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[23:27] <r3> that's really odd, Smeef
[23:27] <r3> have you tried waiting like 20 seconds after connecting to see if it will take it the first time?
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[23:29] <r3> and it's just a straight username/password, nothing else like LDAP or AD or anything else?
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[23:32] <Smeef> r3: Nope, it's been happening consistently for weeks, I only just got annoyed by it, lol
[23:32] <Smeef> I've given it more than sufficient time to boot on multiple occasions
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[23:34] <Smeef> There's also an option for the connection type, but sesman-xvnc is the only option that works
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[23:35] <r3> so it's the RDP client from Rasbian (is there a patch? new version?) and the version 10 of mstsc.exe?
[23:35] <r3> maybe try VNC? I've used that more in the past to talk across platforms than RDP
[23:36] <Datz> Posted in a couple other channels too. I'm seeing some strange activity from some temperature sensors (DS18b20) I have them in the same location, but one it seems is lagging the other. They are polled one minute apart, and I can't figure out why they are behaving like this: https://pasteboard.co/GRo3cfJ.png
[23:36] <Smeef> Raspbian is running xvnc with I installed after installing Raspbian, I also update/upgrade/dist-upgrade frequently, so I'm pretty sure everything is up-to-date. Also, yes, I'm using the latest version of Windows Remote Desktop
[23:37] <Smeef> Sorry, not xvnc, I mena xrdp*
[23:37] <Smeef> Typo
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[23:39] <Smeef> Also, I added hard and soft power/shutdown buttons to the Tic-Tac box, but accidentally scratched the inside of the case with a file, right next to the display, gonna have to buy more Tic-Tacs and get a new clear plastic box, lol: https://i.imgur.com/rDnmLpq.jpg
[23:39] <r3> what version of raspbian, Smeef?
[23:40] <Smeef> r3, the latest version, the one after jessie, can't remember the codename, lol
[23:40] <r3> stretch?
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[23:40] <Smeef> Yeah
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[23:41] <r3> there a firewall or anything between the two?
[23:42] <r3> Datz: is the time exactly the same on the two systems?
[23:42] <Smeef> Hmmm, maybe, I think I downloaded and installed some wireless AP software
[23:42] <Datz> r3: it's the same system
[23:42] <r3> ah
[23:43] <Datz> cronjob is like 1min apart
[23:43] <Datz> and every hour
[23:43] <Datz> my only thought is that one sensor has more "insulation" in it
[23:44] <Datz> but that doesn't seem like an adequate conclusion
[23:44] <r3> Smeef: well, maybe be sure that the port (5900 IIRC?) is fully opened/allowed ... there is so much that could be going on - from a sleepy ethernet port to a wonky client - it would be interesting to see if VNC did the same
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[23:51] <r3> Datz: well, one could just be that much different than the other (but still within the 0.5C spec?)
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[23:52] <r3> insulation would make that happen, if the red like peaks there at 12:00 10/18 and then the yellow line follows just a few minutes behind - that would make sense that the yellow is more insulated
[23:53] <r3> s/like/line/
[23:55] <Datz> r3: yeah. Thinking it's the sensor
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[23:56] <Datz> maybe buy a few more and figure out which ones respond the fastest
[23:57] <r3> where are you sourcing them from? adafruit, sparkfun, ?
[23:58] <Datz> ebay
[23:59] <r3> ah
[23:59] <Datz> the "high temp" ones are all pretty similar it seems

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