#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2017-10-31

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <r3> how much on ebay when sparkfun has 'em for $4? heh
[0:00] <Datz> less
[0:00] <Datz> probably half that and free shipping
[0:00] <r3> huh
[0:00] <Datz> I can't remember though
[0:00] <r3> this looks fun: https://www.adafruit.com/product/381 but overpriced
[0:01] <r3> gee thanks for the free $0.00001 resistor
[0:01] <Datz> lol
[0:01] <Datz> yeah, I think I came across that awhile back too
[0:01] <r3> but you know that the Pi have on-board temp sensors, right?
[0:02] <Datz> I don't know about the shipping on this one.. but it's cheap https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6705VF9760&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC
[0:02] <Datz> free shipping to here
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[0:02] <Datz> for $1.45
[0:03] <Datz> adafruit makes big money off of their customers
[0:03] <Datz> might have to just order a few more now :)
[0:05] <r3> [ cat /sys/devices/virtual/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp ] will get you the system temp in thousandths of degrees
[0:06] <Datz> neat
[0:07] <Datz> where is it pulling that from?
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[0:07] <r3> CPU of the PI IIRC
[0:07] <Datz> ah
[0:07] <Datz> I can pull it from the real time clock module, also
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[0:08] * r3 nods
[0:08] <Datz> all these sensors
[0:08] <Datz> got a readout of all the sensors on this iMac earlier.. must have been like 50 temps
[0:09] <r3> well some of the paths point to the same sensor just with a different path or name for compatibility
[0:10] <Datz> that makes sense, some of them were the same
[0:10] <Datz> someone was put this imac to the curb
[0:10] <Datz> just had to reflow the graphics card in the oven, and good as new
[0:11] <r3> yow
[0:11] <Datz> yeah, quad core i7 with hyperthreading, and a 2k 27" display
[0:12] <Datz> plut other components are probably similar level of quality
[0:12] <Datz> plus*
[0:12] <Datz> that's my score of the year I guess
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[1:18] <nacelle> nice score
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[1:41] <darsie> Can a pi run hotter when receiving proper 5V instead of browning out occasionally?
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[2:10] <darsie> Looks like temp is just as before, 45 C idle. Maybe I confused idle with 1 core busy.
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[5:23] <bigfondue> What is the easiest option to run a *BSD on a pi3
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[5:24] <ball> bigfondue: NetBSD might be ready. You could ask in #netbsd
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[5:41] <Smeef> Can someone help me add core temperature value in-line with, but after, the "CPU Load" line on line 113 of this? https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_Python_SSD1306/blob/master/examples/stats.py
[5:41] <Smeef> I've tired using this, and the article it references, but it doesn't seem to work: https://cae2100.wordpress.com/2012/12/29/reading-cpu-temps-using-python-for-raspberry-pi/
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[6:16] <mlelstv> funny use of python
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[8:12] <localhorse> how can i find out which link-local ip my raspi has?
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[8:23] <aib> localhorse: 'ip a'
[8:23] <localhorse> aib: it doesnt show it
[8:24] <aib> localhorse: what does it show?
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[8:24] <localhorse> aib:
[8:24] <localhorse> aib: i want to detect the pi's address from my laptop
[8:25] <aib> that's your IP address and your mask
[8:25] <localhorse> i dont have a keyboard/screen on the pi
[8:25] <localhorse> aib: i know
[8:25] <localhorse> how can i get the pi's ip?
[8:25] <aib> that is the pi's IP
[8:25] <localhorse> no
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[8:25] <localhorse> thats my laptop's ip
[8:26] <aib> you want to find out your raspberry pi's IP address without access to the pi?
[8:26] <localhorse> i have the cable plugged in
[8:26] <localhorse> so i want to ask my laptop what ip the other end of the cable has
[8:26] <aib> one might think you should have mentioned such a thing from the start
[8:26] <localhorse> i thought i did :)
[8:27] <localhorse> i said "link-local ip"
[8:27] <aib> 'link-local' just means 'assigned', not "at the other end of the cable"
[8:27] <localhorse> ah
[8:27] <aib> okay, first of all: what makes you think the pi has an IP address assigned?
[8:27] <aib> are you running a DHCP server on your laptop?
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[8:27] <localhorse> because it had one last time
[8:27] <localhorse> no
[8:27] <localhorse> if i had dhcp on my laptop, the pi wouldnt have a link-local address
[8:28] <localhorse> but a normal one, right?
[8:28] <aib> oh
[8:28] <aib> okay, okay, link-local means that /16 block in 169.254 or something
[8:28] <localhorse> yes
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[8:29] <aib> sorry, apparently I haven't woken up yet
[8:29] <localhorse> it's ok :)
[8:30] <aib> and I've never worked with link-local addresses. Always had a DHCP server around somewhere
[8:30] <nacelle> link-local is ipv6 term, not 169.254
[8:30] <nacelle> 169.254 == apipa
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[8:31] <aib> I even have a script for when I'm trying to do what I think you are trying to do: https://github.com/aib/dotfiles/blob/master/bin/idhcp.sh
[8:31] <nacelle> hrmf
[8:31] <nacelle> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3927 this rfc refers to it as a link local
[8:31] * nacelle stands corrected
[8:32] <nacelle> even rfc5735 refers to it that way, where 5735 is one of my favorites of recent note :(
[8:32] <nacelle> " - This is the "link local" block. As described in
[8:32] <nacelle> [RFC3927], it is allocated for communication between hosts on a
[8:33] <nacelle> single link. Hosts obtain these addresses by auto-configuration,
[8:33] <nacelle> such as when a DHCP server cannot be found.
[8:33] <nacelle> "
[8:33] <nacelle> I used to always call it the apipa range
[8:33] <localhorse> nacelle: do you know how to find out the link-local ip of the device at the other end of the eth cable? :)
[8:34] <nacelle> sure
[8:34] <nacelle> arp for it, etc.
[8:34] <nacelle> ping every ip in the subnet
[8:34] <nacelle> nmap -sP
[8:35] <aib> your arp cache should contain the IP and the MAC addr
[8:35] <localhorse> i tried `arp -a` but it doesnt show it
[8:36] <aib> can't you just run a DHCP server?
[8:37] <localhorse> no
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[8:37] <aib> well I know you should start by getting the laptop on the same subnet, i.e. 169.254/16
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[8:41] <aib> you could then try a broadcast ping or port/ping scanning as nacelle has suggested
[8:41] <shauno> I have a handy script for doing this the ipv6y way - https://pastebin.com/0m0vcJ7k
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[8:42] <aib> I myself would probably go for a reboot and sniff for DHCP/BOOTP packets
[8:42] <shauno> ugly, but it assumes you & the pi are the only devices (eg, an ethernet cable from my laptop to my pi), and then ssh's to the address that isn't yours
[8:42] <localhorse> aib: does the ip get stored in the arp table when the cable is plugged in?
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[8:44] <aib> localhorse: no. I'm not sure when exactly but I think IP traffic is required beforehand
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[8:45] <aib> the people over at ##networking might be better suited to help you
[8:46] <aib> so are none of the current suggestions working, or..?
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[8:57] <nacelle> localhorse: are you sure the other side even is at 169.254?
[8:57] <localhorse> nacelle: why wouldn't it?
[8:57] <nacelle> maybe its static?
[8:57] <localhorse> i'm not giving it a dhcp address
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[9:02] <mlelstv> link-local is not mandatory for ipv4
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[9:11] <mitmf> JESSIE vs STRETCH, which is better?
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[9:12] <mitmf> NO one is here?
[9:12] <LFlare> stretch is better
[9:12] <LFlare> it's a nobrainer
[9:12] <LFlare> Is Windows 10 better or Windows 2000?
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[9:17] <mitmf> 2000 >> 10?
[9:17] <mitmf> 10 * 200 >> 10?
[9:17] <mitmf> LFlare: ?
[9:17] <LFlare> 2000 < 10
[9:17] <LFlare> 1 < 2
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[9:21] <SailorMoon> GUYS! I need a VERY particular setup for my Pi
[9:21] <mlelstv> windows 2000 is better. it lets you keep your computer.
[9:21] <SailorMoon> i know you guys can help, i believe in you :3
[9:22] <SailorMoon> I want my Pi to be connected via ethernet to my Xbox One, sharing the Wifi Connection's Internet, and changing the TTL to 65
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[9:22] <SailorMoon> would i have more luck flashing a linux distro and asking in a Linux channel?
[9:22] <H4ndy> this is really only linux related
[9:23] <Habbie> SailorMoon, why do you need this very particular setup?
[9:23] <H4ndy> but what would that achieve
[9:23] <SailorMoon> My ISP blocks ICS
[9:23] <SailorMoon> with a default of 64 going through ICS it changes to 63
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[9:23] <SailorMoon> and ignores/blocks the connection attempts
[9:24] <Habbie> oh, the IP TTL
[9:24] <Habbie> not the DNS TTL
[9:24] <SailorMoon> yeah
[9:24] <Habbie> yes, definitely a generic linux question
[9:24] <SailorMoon> Okay, i guess i'll go bother those guys. But before i do that, one dumb question, my Pi would be perfect for this project, yes?
[9:25] <SailorMoon> i wouldn't be better off just installing Windows 10 on an old laptop and setting it up to act as a router?
[9:25] <Habbie> both are viable options
[9:25] <H4ndy> if the speed contrains of the Pi are no problem for you the Pi is OK
[9:25] <SailorMoon> awh man, i forgot about that. But i only get like 3Mbps
[9:25] <SailorMoon> max
[9:26] <SailorMoon> i think the Pi would be okay, assuming it doesnt overheat and throttle lol
[9:27] <H4ndy> if you dont overclock it should run stable without issues
[9:27] <SailorMoon> that brings up another question pi related. Knowing my intentions, what distro should i choose?
[9:27] <H4ndy> raspbian as its the best maintained
[9:27] <SailorMoon> raspian lite, i would assume?
[9:27] <Habbie> yes, pick raspbian lite
[9:27] <SailorMoon> Thanks guys, this will be a great project for my time off work =3
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[9:42] <squirrel> my raspberry pi 3 is a bit noisy https://fluf.cf/raspberrypi.ogg
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[9:42] <squirrel> i am curious why
[9:43] <squirrel> especially why it is only playing 2 notes, and how can i make it play more notes
[9:46] <kozmikreis> Hi all o/ Is there a simple way to sync Python code to the HDMI output? (I'm using a Pi Zero W if that makes any difference)
[9:46] <aib> squirrel: go to youtube and find a music video with more notes in it
[9:49] <Habbie> kozmikreis, what do you mean, sync it?
[9:50] <kozmikreis> Habbie: say I'm outputting a video or a flickering image like from a homebrew player, how do I ensure it's displayed the current frame before I move on to drawing the next?
[9:51] <kozmikreis> Well, the drawing would continue regardless with a double buffer, but you know what I mean I hope.
[9:53] <kozmikreis> I'll ask in the python chan too :-)
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[9:57] <squirrel> aib: huh?
[9:57] <squirrel> actually it's playing more than 2 notes
[9:57] <squirrel> here's a spectrogram https://fluf.cf/raspberrypi.png
[9:58] <aib> squirrel: connect a proper speaker, go on youtube and you will hear all kinds of notes is what I'm saying
[9:59] <squirrel> aib: if this is a joke i don't see the punchline
[10:01] <dan2wik> squirrel, might be related to core clock speed
[10:01] <dan2wik> try something intensive like "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null"
[10:02] <aib> squirrel: I can't tell what application you are using the Raspberry Pi 3, a generic computer, for that it is playing 2 notes and you want it to play more
[10:03] <aib> I assumed SDR at the start, but then thought that it could be music equally likely
[10:03] <kozmikreis> squirrel: I get noise like that when I have a Chromecast and cheap USB speakers being powered from the same adapter. When they're better electrically isolated the noise (that I can hear unaided at least) goes away.
[10:04] <aib> now I'm thinking you mean actual literal noise made on the PCB, except you posted a spectogram
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[10:07] <squirrel> huh, interesting, stress does affect the noise
[10:07] <squirrel> aib: yes i mean literal noise
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[10:21] <mfa298> squirrel: the only time I've had noise from the Pi PCB is wwhen the PSU is really poor, meaning the dc switcher does nasty things.
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[10:23] <Jack64> Habbie: just checked sha256sum of both /lib/firmware/rt2870.bin (rt3070 is symlinked to 2870) and they're the same in x86 and armv7 so it's not that :(
[10:24] <Habbie> Jack64, how about the kernel itself then? i'm only guessing here
[10:25] <squirrel> this is an audio of me stress-testing the rpi with $ stress
[10:25] <squirrel> starts with a noise profile, might be loud https://fluf.cf/raspberrypi2.ogg
[10:26] <squirrel> here's a spectrogram https://fluf.cf/raspberrypi2.png
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[10:27] <squirrel> and ignore that noise past the middle, the neighbours have been drilling walls every day for the past 2 months or so
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[10:28] <mfa298> I'd swap out the PSU first to something designed for the Pi
[10:29] <aib> I would bet on the power supply as well
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[10:30] <mfa298> It's almost certainly a power related issue, either the PSU (phone charger != psu) or something on the pi board has gone
[10:31] <squirrel> it's a phone charger, but it's by nokia and really the only one that can power the pi
[10:31] <squirrel> the sound comes from the board itself though
[10:31] <squirrel> i mean, the only one i have
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[10:38] <mfa298> phone chargers don't necessarily keep a clean output voltage ss you draw more current, that's not an issue for charging a phone, it is a problem for powering the pi.
[10:38] <mfa298> I'd recommend getting the official pi psu (2.5A, 5.1V with built in cable) and I'd bet the sound goes away
[10:39] <mlankhorst> what about a spectrogram with really clean lines?
[10:40] <mlankhorst> when recording, it's annoying
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[10:42] <dan2wik> squirrel, I wouldn't think too much about it, It is probably just switching noise from the charger
[10:42] <squirrel> mfa298: i should do that, was thinking about ordering some pi stuff anyway
[10:43] <squirrel> mlankhorst: clean lines?..
[10:43] <squirrel> dan2wik: i'm not worried much, just found it funny
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[10:44] <mlankhorst> sec
[10:45] <Jack64> Habbie: sorry had to afk for a bit. kernel itself? linux kernel you mean? where do I check that?
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[10:46] <mlankhorst> https://i.imgur.com/cn3EejJ.jpg
[10:47] <mfa298> squirrel: which pi model is this on ?
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[10:47] <mfa298> squirrel: ah just scrolled up and saw pi3 ... what's the red power led doing ?
[10:48] <squirrel> um. glowing, not blinking
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[10:52] <mfa298> interesting, sounds like the PSU output has gone noise rather than dropped voltage (unless it's gone so low the detection isn't working properly).
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[10:54] <LTCD> Lartza You about sir?
[10:54] <mfa298> noisy would mean the output voltage is fluctuating quickly rather than being a nice clean dc signal, which is what then leads to some components on the pi pcb being noisy as things start to oscilate
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[10:55] <Lartza> LTCD, On and off :)
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[10:57] <LTCD> Lartza Esentially I just want to continue from the other day, see if it can automatically boot without me typing in commands. Won a lot of respect in the office.
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[11:00] <Lartza> LTCD, Aka fix your initramfs iirc, it should work once you get the key embedded there
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[11:01] <Lartza> You can edit the hooks, rebuild, repeat and then check the contents before rebooting until you have it there :P
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[11:04] <LTCD> Lartza Any place for me to start learning this stuff?
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[11:05] <Lartza> LTCD, Not really. The cp command should work and you also lost resize2fs so it's likely you just made a mistake
[11:06] <Lartza> LTCD, Usually embedding files in initramfs is as easy as https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/mkinitcpio#BINARIES_and_FILES
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[11:13] <LTCD> Lartza Right. Don't reply I'm switching IRC clients.
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[11:15] <LTCD> I'm back.
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[11:41] <Jack64> Habbie: you back yet?
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[12:50] <sloth> https://i.imgur.com/Z4GWKbl.jpg
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[12:51] <DrJ> win what?
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[12:52] <Lartza> Who would win in a spam contest, sloth or some nerd with a computer?
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[13:27] <gordonDrogon> sloth, that's wholly inappropriate for this channel.
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> sloth, please re-read the channel rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz
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[13:37] <darsie> Can I turn on an inductor and poll a sensor a precise moment later like after 5 ms with the pi or will raspbian prevent that?
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[13:39] <darsie> Or can the sensor trigger a gpio event and I get precise timing?
[13:39] <darsie> And I mean precise, not accurate.
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[13:40] <darsie> Is the gpio triggering usable in raspbian?
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[13:41] <kozmikreis> darsie: I have a similar need, are you using raspbian stretch lite?
[13:41] <darsie> yes
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[13:42] <darsie> Is the gpio triggering usable in raspbian, so I get a signal and don't have to poll pins?
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[13:43] <kozmikreis> darsie: I have no advice, do you mean you want it to trigger an interrupt?
[13:43] <darsie> yes
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[13:43] <darsie> The hardware supports it, IIRC.
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> you can get +/- 150�S most of the time.
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> or use pigpio which samples the gpio lines every 5�S by default IIRC.
[13:43] <darsie> gordonDrogon still doesn't use UTF-8, but thx :).
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> Good job I didn't type a � then.
[13:44] <darsie> You did, whatever it is :).
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> what ancient system are you using that doesn't support utf-8 these days?
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> no, I typed � (micro) not � which is +/-
[13:45] <darsie> Looks the same to me, a question mark in a hexagon.
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[13:45] <darsie> I can decode UTF-8 fine. KVIrc.
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> ho hum.
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[13:47] <kozmikreis> I can see the µ and ± fine fwiw
[13:47] <darsie> gordonDrogon: Is that pigpio polling CPU intense?
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[13:47] <darsie> kozmikreis: I can see it from you fine.
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> I'm not the author or pigpio and I don't use it, however I understand that it uses the DMA engine to do it mostly in hardware.
[13:47] <kozmikreis> darsie: How weird!
[13:48] <darsie> Anyone else read pigpio as pig pio?
[13:48] <mlelstv> oink
[13:49] <Blubberbub> I can see kozmikreis's ± µ... but not in gordonDrogon's messages...
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[13:50] <darsie> Blubberbub, kozmikreis: Do you see that fine? ��
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[13:52] <Blubberbub> darsie, no
[13:54] <kozmikreis> darsie: No, I see question marks in rhombuses.
[13:54] <darsie> ok
[13:54] <darsie> So I'm copy/pasting the replacement symbol, not the orginal character received.
[13:55] <Blubberbub> for me its a square with FFFD in it
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[13:55] <mlelstv> is this mu ? µ
[13:55] <kozmikreis> Blubberbub: that's the same thing but different glyph.
[13:55] <darsie> mlelstv: yes
[13:55] <kozmikreis> mlelstv: Yes.
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[13:56] <mlelstv> then utf-8 is fine :)
[13:57] <Blubberbub> So i just assume the error is on gordonDrogon's side, because his client already send the replacement character to us?
[13:58] <darsie> Blubberbub: No, my client displayed a ? in a hexgon cause it wasn't a valid UTF-8 character.
[13:58] <Blubberbub> encodings are weird.
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[14:02] <gordonDrogon> Very weird. It was 14�C in the bakery this morning.
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> and the zombies are wearing pumpkins.
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[14:04] <Blubberbub> 14µC? 14±C? 14½C?
[14:05] <Kryczek> Blubberbub: the degree sign is not displaying properly on your screen? :)
[14:06] <Blubberbub> oh right... °C :D
[14:06] <Blubberbub> no
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[14:07] <Kryczek> Blubberbub: check if your IRC client and/or terminal are properly set to the UTF-8 character set :)
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[14:14] <Blubberbub> Kryczek, it should be.. i can type and see some of them
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[14:35] <Li> can anyone tell me why stepper motor driver is needed with raspberry and arduino?
[14:36] <mlelstv> there isn't enough magic smoke in the SoC
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[14:41] <CoJaBo> Li: more specifically, SoCs generally can't output much more current than needed to run a small LED or such
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[14:46] <Li> CoJaBo: so it doable with amplifire?
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[14:48] <CoJaBo> any 'FET/transistor powerful enough to drivr the motor you want should work. A specific stepper controller is probably easiest for one of those tho
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[14:50] <CoJaBo> Servo motors are nice too, as the control line can usually be directly controlled by GPIO; depends on what you're moving
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[15:37] <filadome> can i use a USB storage device instead of the SD card?
[15:38] <filadome> SD cards are more expensive and slower
[15:38] <Habbie> filadome, on any model pi, you can have system on USB if you leave /boot on SD
[15:38] <Habbie> filadome, pi3 can be configured to boot from USB without SD
[15:38] <filadome> is pi3 usb 3.0?
[15:39] <Habbie> no
[15:39] <filadome> ok, then max speed would be 40MB/s ?
[15:39] <Habbie> yes
[15:40] <GenteelBen> Would you be Habbie with only 40MB/s?
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[15:40] <GenteelBen> The real-world max throughout for sequential writes is 35MB/s on USB 2.0, btw.
[15:40] <GenteelBen> I'd assume it's the same for reads.
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[15:41] <LTCD> filadome On Pi2 you have to have /boot inside the SD card, everything else can be on a USB flash drive. On the newer Pi3 you can boot from a USB flash drive.
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[15:42] <Lartza> filadome, etherenet is on the same usb2 bus
[15:42] <filadome> i've had good results with sandisk ultra fit micro: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SanDisk-32GB-32-GB-Ultra-Fit-Micro-USB-3-0-Flash-Pen-Drive-SDCZ43-032G-150MB-s/201329838079
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[15:43] <Kryczek> those are awesome! I always carry one around in case I need to borrow a laptop :)
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[15:44] <Kryczek> wow there's even a 128GB now
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[15:45] <filadome> this website is good for choosing USB drives: http://usb.userbenchmark.com/
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[15:46] <Kryczek> nice, thanks
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[15:51] <squirrel> i'm thinking about making a two-way audio and video baby monitor using my pi0w, anyone knows if there's some software that would be able to connect the pi to an android phone?
[15:51] <squirrel> i looked around but the choises seem to be obscure or tailored for desktops
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[15:58] <DammitJim> squirrel, I decided to go with a web interface for simplicity of communications between devices
[15:59] <squirrel> i mean, i want to transmit two-way audio and video
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[15:59] <DammitJim> I'm sorry, I missed the two-way
[16:00] <squirrel> and even with the web interface, you are stuck with the quality
[16:00] <squirrel> which might be suboptimal
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[16:01] <DammitJim> I was thinking more like sound streaming and vlc for your phone or something
[16:01] <DammitJim> but I don't know about anything 2 way
[16:01] <squirrel> actually it's for my grams who's got dementia and have troubles using the phone
[16:01] <DammitJim> maybe something in Kodi can do streaming
[16:02] <squirrel> so i need to be able to talk to her
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[16:04] <gordonDrogon> asterisk.
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> you can (at least you could) hook up a USB sound device - speaker/microphone and use that as a telephone. arrange it to auto-answer and you have a remote baby monitor...
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> programming asterisk isn't for the feint of heart though, but there are many pre-made solutions - freepbx, etc.
[16:05] <squirrel> aha. i'll look into this, thanks
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[16:11] <mstruebing> I've set up mopidy with mopify on my PI http://maex.me/2017/10/raspberry-pi-as-a-music-server/
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[16:11] <mstruebing> Any other nice ideas what I can do with it? :)
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[16:15] <teej> Is there a more up-to-date operating system I can use on my Raspberry Pi 2 Model B, other than Raspbian?
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[16:15] <Blubberbub> arch linux
[16:15] <teej> For example, I don't want to compile Python 3.6.3 on the Raspberry Pi just to get it.
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[16:16] <Habbie> yes, arch
[16:16] <teej> Blubberbub: Arch Linux, that's interesting. I've never used it before. Is it optimized enough for the Raspberry Pi?
[16:16] <teej> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
[16:16] <Blubberbub> its a lot less "hand-holding" than raspbian, probably
[16:16] <teej> Arch Linux is not shown on the Raspberry Pi Downloads page.
[16:16] <Blubberbub> its not, no
[16:17] <Blubberbub> https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/broadcom/raspberry-pi-2
[16:17] <teej> https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/broadcom/raspberry-pi-2
[16:18] <teej> Blubberbub: Oh haha. Thanks.
[16:18] <Blubberbub> there is an installation guide
[16:18] <Blubberbub> but that linux does not come with anything installed really
[16:18] <Blubberbub> (besides systemd and an ssh server, maybe)
[16:19] <teej> I see. The root filesystem is hosted on archlinuxarm.org.
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[16:19] <teej> I'm guessing this is not "officially supported".
[16:19] <Blubberbub> i don't think you will void your warranty ;)
[16:20] <teej> Okay. I'll give Arch Linux a try.
[16:20] <teej> Is this a CLI-only build?
[16:20] <Blubberbub> yes
[16:20] <teej> Perfect, thanks!
[16:20] <Habbie> yes, you can install X after first boot
[16:20] <Habbie> i presume :)
[16:20] <teej> Habbie: Okay thanks.
[16:21] <teej> Yes, it should be able to install. Haha.
[16:21] <Blubberbub> i cannot confirm this, but i feel like that image has dhcpd only running on first boot
[16:21] <Habbie> Blubberbub, dhcpd or dhcpcd?
[16:21] <Blubberbub> so make sure to do a `systemctl enable dhcpd` as root
[16:21] <Blubberbub> Habbie, not sure :D
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[16:21] <teej> Blubberbub: I'm not sure what dhcpd is.
[16:21] <Habbie> 'systemctl enable dhcpd' is bad general advice ;)
[16:21] <Blubberbub> its just that i cannot ssh into it anymore after restarting
[16:21] <Habbie> good way to mess up your network
[16:21] <Blubberbub> ok ;)
[16:22] <Blubberbub> dhcpd is probably not installed... maybe dhcpcd :D
[16:22] <teej> I'm going to run this in a headless configuration, with SSH. What do you recommend?
[16:22] <Blubberbub> ssh into it and enable dhcpcd :D
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[16:22] <Blubberbub> all my raspberrys are headless and thats the biggest problem i had with it
[16:23] <teej> Blubberbub: How is it a problem?
[16:24] <Blubberbub> cause it caused me major headaches the first time :D
[16:24] <Blubberbub> didn't know what i did wrong and couldn't ssh into it anymore
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[16:25] <Blubberbub> Habbie, i really didn't know its called dhcpcd because i always do autocompletion for that, i guess :D
[16:25] <Blubberbub> but otherwise arch is great
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[16:26] <Blubberbub> pacman is a nice package manager
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[16:29] <teej> I'm already starting to realize that `fdisk` works differently on macOS.
[16:29] <Habbie> you can't install arch from osx
[16:29] <Habbie> at least, not easily
[16:29] <Blubberbub> that's surprising
[16:29] <Habbie> you'll need an ext3 fs driver
[16:30] <Habbie> like ext2fuse in brew
[16:30] <Habbie> or genext2fs
[16:31] <Blubberbub> i install my sd cards from a linux vm, to be honest :D
[16:31] <teej> Ugh.
[16:31] <teej> My laptop is the only computer I have.
[16:32] <teej> How hasn't anyone complained about installing Arch Linux from macOS?
[16:32] <Blubberbub> well you can do it, i guess
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[16:32] <Habbie> teej, what makes you think nobody has complained?
[16:32] <Blubberbub> its just not as pleasant as it would be from a linux hos
[16:32] <Habbie> teej, apparently the arch devs have been busy with other things :)
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[16:33] <teej> So...
[16:33] <Blubberbub> Does the root partition really need to be ext3, though? couldn't one do a FAT32 if anything fails?
[16:33] <teej> Now a VM. Okay. What should I use, Vagrant?
[16:33] <Habbie> Blubberbub, i doubt that would go far
[16:33] <Habbie> teej, vagrant only manages VMs for you, it does not run them
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[16:33] <Habbie> teej, you need virtualbox or vmware or parallels or xhyve
[16:33] <Habbie> teej, or docker for mac
[16:33] <Habbie> teej, or, as i said before, ext2fuse or genext2fs
[16:33] <teej> Docker it is.
[16:34] <Habbie> docker for mac will not allow you to access the SD
[16:34] <teej> Oh.
[16:34] <Habbie> but it will allow you to turn the tarball into a virtual image that is just right for your SD
[16:34] <Habbie> i hope
[16:34] <Kryczek> Blubberbub: FAT32 would be too easy to hack
[16:34] <Habbie> in this case docker is not the easiest path
[16:34] <teej> What about VirtualBox?
[16:34] <Habbie> i believe virtualbox with extensions can do it
[16:34] <Blubberbub> Kryczek, what do you mean?
[16:34] <teej> VirtualBox it is.
[16:34] <Habbie> :)
[16:35] <Kryczek> Blubberbub: there are no permissions in FAT32, everyone has access to everything
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[16:35] <Blubberbub> Ah, good point
[16:35] <teej> I'm going to use Vagrant to get the Arch Linux VM. https://app.vagrantup.com/archlinux/boxes/archlinux
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[16:39] <teej> Okay. So VirtualBox wasn't working properly with Vagrant, so I'm reinstalling both.
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[16:42] <teej> Okay Vagrant is still not working. So I'm going to just download an Ubuntu VM.
[16:43] <DammitJim> vagrant?
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[16:43] <teej> I found an Ubuntu VM here: http://www.osboxes.org/ubuntu/
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[16:46] <Habbie> teej, note that the VM does not need to be arch
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[16:46] <teej> Habbie: Okay. Thanks.
[16:46] <Habbie> i would probably get something like GRML
[16:46] <Habbie> boots directly from ISO
[16:46] <Habbie> does not need installation
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[16:47] <Habbie> or any other decent live image
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[16:49] <teej> Habbie: Oh okay. I didn't know that existed. I'm already extracting the Ubuntu VM, so I'll just use that for now.
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[16:49] <Habbie> ack
[16:49] <teej> What VirtualBox extensions do I need for the SD card?
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[16:50] <Blubberbub> i have an external sd card reader plugged into usb
[16:50] <Blubberbub> so its usb
[16:50] <Blubberbub> for me
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[16:50] <Habbie> that sometimes does simplify things
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[16:50] <Habbie> teej, i think you'll need the extension pack from here https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
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[16:50] <Habbie> although the SD drive on my mac is not USB
[16:51] <Habbie> alternatively, as i said, use the VM to create a partitioned image that you can then dd from osx
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[16:54] <teej> Habbie: I installed the extension pack.
[16:55] <teej> Now I'll import the Ubuntu VM into VirtualBox.
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[16:58] <jthunder> I’m getting an Failed to fetch http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/jessie/InRelease Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) error when attempting to update apt
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[16:59] <jthunder> but the sources.list looks normal
[17:00] <shiftplusone> jthornton: why are you running raspbian on i386 (or why have you added it as an arch)
[17:00] <jthunder> its not
[17:00] <jthunder> that’s the issue
[17:00] <Habbie> grep -r i386 /etc/apt
[17:00] <Habbie> dpkg --print-architecture
[17:01] <jthunder> nothing from the first command (as expected)
[17:01] <jthunder> and armhf is the only arch listed
[17:01] <Habbie> well this is special
[17:01] <jthunder> :)
[17:01] <Habbie> there is nothing you did for which you can -imagine- that it's causing this? qemu?
[17:01] <shiftplusone> uname -m ?
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[17:03] <jthunder> armv7l
[17:03] <shiftplusone> witchcraft
[17:03] <jthunder> Habbie: nope
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[17:04] <jthunder> any other places to look for settings for apt?
[17:04] <Habbie> sudo grep -r i386 /etc
[17:05] <Habbie> bring out the big guns
[17:05] <as2333> is the jessie repository still available?
[17:05] <Habbie> as2333, works for me, just checked
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[17:06] <shiftplusone> dpkg --print-foreign-architectures ?
[17:06] <as2333> Habbie, oh - I can't seem to find its location
[17:06] <shiftplusone> dpkg --remove-architecture i386 ?
[17:06] <jthunder> there we go - print foreign shows i386
[17:06] <Habbie> ha!
[17:07] <shiftplusone> so you've set up multiarch at some point
[17:07] <shiftplusone> https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO
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[17:07] <shiftplusone> or had a script that did it
[17:07] <jthunder> yeah script
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[17:08] <teej> hue: I've imported Ubuntu into VirtualBox. Should I start it up? Or do I need to configure the settings with the SD card first?
[17:08] <jthunder> thanks!
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[17:10] <as2333> Habbie, can the repo be browsed through this? http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/
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[17:15] <teej> Habbie: I've added "Apple Internal Memory Card Reader [0310]" into the "USB Device Filters" section under Ports > USB in VirtualBox settings.
[17:15] <teej> Hopefully that's good enough.
[17:17] <teej> The VM is working!
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[17:20] <teej> Okay, so now I'm having issues trying to get the SD card reader working inside the VM.
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[17:22] <Habbie> as2333, don't know
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[17:24] <Habbie> teej, as i recall it, vbox may only pick up the device when it reconnets
[17:24] <Habbie> reconnects
[17:24] <Habbie> teej, which your reader will never do
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[17:27] <teej> Ugh.
[17:27] <Habbie> no USB SD reader around i bet?
[17:27] <teej> No.
[17:27] <Habbie> then use your VM to make a dd-able image
[17:27] <Habbie> transfer it to your osx host
[17:27] <Habbie> use osx dd to image to SD
[17:27] <teej> But then I'll have to resize the partitions.
[17:28] <Habbie> sure
[17:28] <Habbie> just make the image smaller than the SD
[17:28] <Habbie> once arch is booted, worry about resizing
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[17:30] <jthornton> shiftplusone: I'm not sure what you mean, I just downloaded raspbian and installed it
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[17:31] <dan2wik> How would I make a USB speaker remember it's volume?
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[17:32] <dan2wik> When I disconnect it and plug it back in, it reverts to it's default 20% volume
[17:32] <shiftplusone> jthornton: that message was meant for jthunder, sorry.
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[17:32] <jthornton> had me going for a while :O
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[17:35] <teej> Habbie: Okay Let me try one more thing.
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[17:41] <teej> Habbie: I'm going to just try this: https://www.geekytidbits.com/mount-sd-card-virtualbox-from-mac-osx/
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[17:41] <teej> If that doesn't work, I'll do what you said previously.
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[17:45] <teej> Habbie: It worked!
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[17:47] <teej> It seems to be mounted as `/dev/sdb`.
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[17:48] <Blubberbub> make really really sure its really your sd card before formatting it :D
[17:48] <xorpad> my sd card on my pi v3b shows up as mmcblk0
[17:49] <xorpad> but then I chroot into a FS on high speed usb thumb drive
[17:49] <xorpad> so that I'm not bottlenecked by the ssd
[17:49] <xorpad> *by the sd card
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[17:50] <xorpad> i have a script that mounts the required stuff with --rbind like /proc /dev /sys /run, then chroots into it
[17:50] <xorpad> It's executes from my .bashrc so when I log in, it switches root fs
[17:51] <teej> Blubberbub: Yes, I'm always very careful about this stuff. I also make sure my other external devices are unplugged, just in case.
[17:51] <xorpad> It's like 10x faster, if the pi had usb3 it would be 100MB/s read speeds but I think the pi only has usb2
[17:51] <teej> xorpad: Yes. The Raspberry Pi 2 and 3 only have USB 2.0.
[17:52] <Blubberbub> is it even real usb2.0 speeds?
[17:52] <xorpad> Probably depends how much memory access and other chipset related things are going on
[17:52] <teej> Blubberbub: No. It's slower than that, because USB connections are shared, I think.
[17:52] <xorpad> I don't know the exact speed, I just know it's way nicer and faster
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[17:52] <xorpad> I only use 1 usb drive, my other 2 usb devices are wireless trackball and wireless keyboard
[17:53] <xorpad> those keyboard/mouse barely use any bandwidth
[17:53] <xorpad> and the sd card rootfs never gets accessed when I'm in chroot, or rather it doesn't access anything that lags my chroot
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[17:55] <xorpad> I have 2 chroots, each on a different usb, one for gentoo, which is my main distro, and one for ubuntu because I am ubuntu touch dev and need ubuntu on arm64. Since you can't without tons of work get 64 bit linux installed on rpi with the exception of gentoo, I use gentoo as host for an ubuntu chroot that has the tools and stuff I need which aren't available for gentoo
[17:55] <teej> Habbie: When I'm in `fdisk` and I type `o`, it gives the following message "Created a new DOS disklabel with disk identifier 0xc8c6bbe4. The old gpt signature will be removed by a write command.`. Is that okay?
[17:55] <xorpad> every pi image available is armhf, I need aarch64, and the simplest way to have that is to build a gentoo 64 bit install and put it on the sd card already built, but since I need ubuntu, I chroot into it because I need 64 bit ubuntu
[17:55] <teej> Habbie: When I'm in `fdisk` and I type `o`, it gives the following message `Created a new DOS disklabel with disk identifier 0xc8c6bbe4. The old gpt signature will be removed by a write command.`. Is that okay?
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[17:56] <Blubberbub> type p first
[17:56] <Blubberbub> to look at what is currently there
[17:56] <xorpad> later today, I'm going to go through the process of shrinking down my gentoo 64 bit install into something compact that self-installs to sd card and expands paritions based on sd card size
[17:56] <Blubberbub> i *guess* it means there is already a filesystem on that sd card
[17:56] <xorpad> and then I'll upload it
[17:56] <shiftplusone> there are plenty of aarch64 distros. Arch is one of them
[17:56] <shiftplusone> I think there's fedora too
[17:57] <xorpad> shiftplusone, yes but try booting the installer on the pi:P
[17:57] <xorpad> shiftplusone, there is plenty, just with no simple way to boot/install
[17:57] <shiftplusone> I'll admit that I haven't tried, but Arch generally has good documentation
[17:57] <teej> Blubberbub: I already did. It shows `/dev/sdb1` for a 200M "EFI System" and then `/dev/sdb2` for a 28.6G "Microsoft basic data" on my 32 GB microSD card.
[17:57] <xorpad> arch is great
[17:57] <xorpad> arch/gentoo are my primary OS's. I use ubuntu only for ubuntu touch development
[17:58] <xorpad> because it has and supports the tools I use for building images
[17:58] <teej> Blubberbub: Oh but when I use `p` after using `o`, it doesn't give my any partitions.
[17:58] <xorpad> the reason I need 64 bit ubuntu, is because some of the tools only work for arm64 when you are running on a native arm64 system
[17:58] <Blubberbub> yea, i think it shows you what its going to be after write
[17:58] <shiftplusone> looks like the Arch instructions for aarch64 are identical to the armhf ones.
[17:58] <xorpad> they don't support cross-building for arm64
[17:59] <shiftplusone> just with a different archive. But yeah, I get that you seem to have some specific requirements
[18:00] <xorpad> shiftplusone, yeah, I bought the pi specifcally because I needed a 64 bit arm board. I didn't know there was no images that support arm64 and i'd have to build a custom gentoo install
[18:00] <xorpad> but it worked out fine:D
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[18:00] <xorpad> luckily gentoo was there to save the day
[18:00] <teej> Blubberbub: I have completed steps 1 and 2 from https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/broadcom/raspberry-pi-2
[18:00] <Blubberbub> only a few more steps to go
[18:01] <shiftplusone> wouldn't be keen on using gentoo on a pi personally
[18:01] <shiftplusone> actually, not keen on gentoo anymore at all. It was a good learning OS and I've used it as my main distro of years, but.... nuh.
[18:02] <xorpad> shiftplusone, I use it because I have very recent hardware and want native binaries to be optimized for the hardware, the system is much faster than with an amd64 installation
[18:02] <xorpad> I use arch on systems that aren't crazy powerful and really recent
[18:02] <xorpad> and use arch for my servers too
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[18:03] <xorpad> I use Ubuntu only when I am doing ubuntu touch or android development
[18:04] <shiftplusone> You really see a performance difference?
[18:04] <dougquaid> I just got a Pi Zero and flashed raspbian to the SD card. I want to follow the tutorials for making the Pi Zero a USB gadget, but there is nothing in the SD card's /boot folder. Is this normal?
[18:04] <shiftplusone> I guess I haven't run anything compiled with flags tuned to a specific CPU recently, but I'd expect it to be a very minor improvement.
[18:05] <xorpad> with my ryzens and my fork of gcc that optimizes ryzen properly (most people use arch haswell as target because it's compatible and optimizes more but I added all the haswell optimizations to the znvr1 architecture optimizing)
[18:05] <xorpad> benchmarks are 25-35% faster
[18:05] <xorpad> compared to amd64 ubuntu
[18:05] <xorpad> but that's with a very new hardware and modified gcc
[18:05] <shiftplusone> nice
[18:05] <xorpad> yeah it is nice:D
[18:06] <xorpad> and since the ryzens are 8 and 16 cores, both hyperthreaded, gentoo is fast to compile stuff with
[18:06] <xorpad> unlike old systems where updates and installs take forever
[18:06] <xorpad> if the computer is not powerful enough for maintaining a gentoo install with reasonable timeframes, i use arch
[18:07] <shiftplusone> I've gotten used to my mid-range work laptop for building things. Worked half a day from home yesterday on my home PC (4GHz i7) and..... I've been missing out. Forgot how much of a difference a good CPU makes.
[18:07] <xorpad> gentoo is a huge time sink to maintain if you have low end or old hardware
[18:07] <xorpad> shiftplusone, I don't have any slow computers... I did until 2 or 3 months ago when I dropped 10k on hardware
[18:07] <shiftplusone> or when you don't update for a while and end up in dependency loop hell
[18:07] <shiftplusone> well, that used to be the case back when I used gentoo... maybe it's more polished now.
[18:08] <xorpad> I gave my old computers to friends who needed an upgrade from the previous old hardware i gave them
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[18:08] <xorpad> shiftplusone, gentoo is pretty damn stable as far as rolling releases go. It used to be bad, but a lot of people have installs they haven't had to fix/repair in 2-3 years
[18:09] <teej> Blubberbub: I realized that running `sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb2` takes a long time.
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[18:09] <Blubberbub> teej, yes, it does
[18:09] <Blubberbub> thats normal
[18:09] <shiftplusone> Did they ever end up getting their wiki back to its former glory? I remember when it had all the answers and then they lost the data or something and archlinux took over.
[18:09] <teej> Blubberbub: Why so?
[18:09] <xorpad> gentoo's bad times caused people to dislike rolling releases because they used to push things that weren't stable constantly, but now they have a testing and stable branch for each architecture, so if you stay on the non-testing channel for updates, it's very usable
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[18:10] <Blubberbub> teej, i think it sets up a file system and i think it depends on the size of the card and cards are slow to read/write
[18:10] <xorpad> now you get stable proven working releases unless you purposely set it to unstable
[18:10] * shiftplusone ponders revisiting gentoo
[18:10] <xorpad> shiftplusone, yeah revisit it, it couldn't hurt if you have the time to install/recompile it
[18:10] <xorpad> I think gentoo is the best distro for modern mid to high level hardware
[18:10] <teej> Blubberbub: Well at least I figured out a way to get the SD card mounted into the VM. That was the hardest part so far.
[18:11] <xorpad> on low end hardware the performance boosts are much lower and the compile times are much longer
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[18:11] <shiftplusone> Although I work on debian stuff 99% of the time, so I'd probably end up chrooting like you do anyway
[18:11] <Blubberbub> teej, yea. at this point its just busy work typing in the commands
[18:11] <xorpad> shiftplusone, if you don't need it on the rpi, you can just dual-boot 2 linux installs
[18:11] <Blubberbub> my experience with gentoo was, that i had to recompile my kernel like 3 to 4 times to get everything i needed
[18:11] <xorpad> I have Windows 10, Ubuntu 17.10, Ubuntu 16.04, Arch, and Gentoo all on one pc
[18:12] <teej> Blubberbub: I was thinking of making a small mini-pc thing that would run faster than my Raspberry Pi. What do you think?
[18:12] <xorpad> But that PC has 4 512gb SSDs and 2x3TB WD Red HDDs so I can fit easily 5 os's
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[18:12] <teej> xorpad: And what happens if you have booting problems?
[18:12] <xorpad> the SSD's are all 600MB/s and the WD HDD's are like 160MB/s
[18:13] <xorpad> teej, I reinstall my bootloader using an ubuntu live cd
[18:13] <teej> xorpad: But everything would be properly configured?
[18:13] <shiftplusone> I get confused with too many hard drives
[18:13] <xorpad> yes, since grub+os-prober detects and properly boots all my OS's
[18:14] <teej> xorpad: But you're probably not using a hybrid storage setup, right?
[18:14] <shiftplusone> couldn't tell you how many I have or what's on each. The damn things just don't fail, so I end up accumulating more and more.
[18:14] <xorpad> but I need a seperate /boot partition for each linux install, or grub doesn't figure out they are seperate OS
[18:14] <xorpad> teej, I don't even know what hybrid storage setup is
[18:14] <xorpad> can you give me a brief explanation?
[18:14] <xorpad> like like a 5-10 word definition will do
[18:14] <teej> xorpad: Using your SSDs as a high-speed cache and your HDDs for permanent storage.
[18:15] <teej> With the filesystem dynamically handling everything.
[18:15] <xorpad> teej, I use my 64GB of ram has cached storage for my drives
[18:16] <xorpad> when I am working on a project that requires long compile times I make a tmpfs in my 4000mhz ram and compile from and to it
[18:16] <teej> Blubberbub: I think it's taking longer than I thought. Lol.
[18:16] <Blubberbub> teej, it might, yes
[18:16] <xorpad> I have a script that movies a specific folder to a tmpfs and then moves it back when I'm done
[18:17] <teej> xorpad: That's great. So why do you need a Raspberry Pi?
[18:17] <xorpad> teej, becuse I do arm and arm64 development and use them as native build environments
[18:17] <xorpad> v2b for armv7 v3b for armv8
[18:17] <teej> xorpad: What is v3b?
[18:17] <xorpad> version 3 model B
[18:18] <teej> Oh lol.
[18:18] <xorpad> :D
[18:18] <xorpad> sorry I just made up that short form to use for files related to the pi to keep file/folder names small
[18:18] <teej> I thought you wanted to use arm64.
[18:18] <xorpad> I do
[18:19] <xorpad> v3b is arm64, but there is no images that support it, so everyone uses it in armhf legacy mode
[18:19] <xorpad> so I had to build my own gentoo install that was 64 bit
[18:19] <xorpad> and since i need ubuntu, I chroot into a 64 bit ubuntu from gentoo
[18:19] <teej> Well I don't think using arm64 helps in any way. That's probably why no one cared to make an amd64 image.
[18:20] <teej> At least not for the Raspberry Pi.
[18:20] <xorpad> ubuntu makes arm64 iso's, but the required work to get them to boot and install on the rpi is ridiculous
[18:20] <teej> xorpad: Did you get the network and wireless drivers working?
[18:20] <xorpad> teej, it helps because I NEED arm64 for a few tools related to my work for Ubuntu Touch
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[18:21] <xorpad> teej, yes, there is a gentoo guide that offers complete instructions to build it with full hardware support
[18:21] <xorpad> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_3_64_bit_Install
[18:21] <teej> xorpad: Oh Ubuntu Touch. Is that for mobile devices?
[18:21] <xorpad> teej, yes
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[18:21] <teej> xorpad: Oh okay.
[18:22] <xorpad> right now it only officially supports oneplusone, nexus 5, and fairphone 2, plus 8 devices that are legacy and have unmaintained stable builds from long ago
[18:22] <xorpad> I'm currently working on a bullhead(nexus 5x) port, and other people are working on other device ports
[18:22] <xorpad> but it's still a work in progress
[18:23] <teej> It would be really cool to have a mobile device that has an easy-to-use touch keyboard optimized for the Terminal, so that I can use that for terminal commands.
[18:23] <teej> And Linux stuff baked right in.
[18:23] <xorpad> teej, Ubuntu Touch is amazing if you don't need any special apps(there is a lack of available apps)
[18:23] <teej> Super fast mobile CLI Linux OS. Lol.
[18:23] <xorpad> You CAN apt-get install stuff, but that requires remounting your rootfs as rw, and breaks ability to use the updater to upgrade
[18:24] <teej> xorpad: Can you dial phone numbers using the CLI?
[18:24] <xorpad> I'm working on a way to make apt-get install to a seperate place and let you install stuff without modding the rootfs
[18:24] <xorpad> teej, I've never tried, and I doubt it
[18:24] <xorpad> teej, there is lots of debugging/testing commands though so maybe one of those could do it
[18:24] <teej> xorpad: How about text messages? How do you do that through the CLI?
[18:25] <xorpad> I don't think you can, unless debugging/testing commands support it
[18:25] <xorpad> I am a kernel/driver/compiler dev, I don't really know too much about userspace stuff
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[18:26] <teej> xorpad: Because a mobile CLI OS should still have the ability to make/receive calls/messages.
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[18:27] <teej> Blubberbub: Hopefully this doesn't take an hour.
[18:27] <xorpad> teej, I already have CLI over usb emulating serial tty on bullhead
[18:27] <teej> Blubberbub: It's still "Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information".
[18:27] <xorpad> but I haven't ported the graphical functionality yet or any of the phone functionality... it's just a linux box at this point
[18:28] <xorpad> I just started helping the ubports team recently
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[18:28] <teej> xorpad: I don't care about a GUI. I just thought there would be CLI commands for calling/messaging.
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[18:28] <xorpad> teej, there could be, there's nothing stopping anyone from building them
[18:28] <xorpad> right now we're more concerned with stability and more supported devices
[18:29] <xorpad> but the rpi's have proven very useful for me in my development
[18:29] <xorpad> I am glad there are cheap boards like this that I can use
[18:30] <xorpad> I heard there's a high end alternative to the pi now with 4gb ram and a much faster CPU, but I don't need anything powerful/expensive
[18:30] <xorpad> i think it's called rock64
[18:30] <xorpad> pi is better if money is an issue, which it is for me
[18:30] <xorpad> so I'm not getting one
[18:30] <xorpad> I think they are over $100 just for the board
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[18:31] <xorpad> but they are the first arm board that is a good option for a full linux desktop on arm
[18:31] <teej> xorpad: If I'm going to spend over $100 on a board, I think I'd rather just use an amd64 processor.
[18:31] <xorpad> because they have the specs to handle normal desktop usage
[18:31] <xorpad> teej, Well, if you wanted arm then you would get this board or something similar
[18:31] <shiftplusone> I use the pi for 99% of stuff and a chromebook for the occasional compile of something that requires a lot of RAM. Don't want to give money to any of the chinese boards.
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[18:31] <xorpad> I don't have a lack of powerful x86 hardware
[18:32] <xorpad> I have a 1700x ryzen and a 1950 threadripper and a 7600HQ i7 ultrabook
[18:32] <xorpad> x86 hardware is not something I need more of
[18:32] <teej> Oh okay.
[18:32] <teej> Why develop on the ARM chipset?
[18:33] <teej> Why not amd64?
[18:33] <xorpad> teej, because some of the tools we use to build ubuntu touch can't cross-build, they need to build on the target architecture
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[18:33] <shiftplusone> and I trust native compiles more. Spent too long tracking down obscure cross-compilation bugs.
[18:34] <teej> xorpad: So you're going to compile on a Raspberry Pi? Isn't that slow?
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[18:34] <shiftplusone> Depends on what you're building.
[18:34] <xorpad> TJ: I don't compile on them, I use them to build the rootfs from ubuntu repositories and prepare a rootfs tarball to be installed on top of the kernel and system image
[18:35] <shiftplusone> and if you need to build for ARM and cross-compiling isn't an option, you don't have many choices anyway.
[18:35] <xorpad> it's basically using apt-get and debootstrap and live-build commands
[18:35] <xorpad> but in a complex way which we have scripts to automate
[18:36] <xorpad> the official devs have a cloud arm64 server with a lot of power, but I'm not an official dev and they know I'm a hacker so I haven't bothered to ask for access to it
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[18:36] <teej> Blubberbub: Will my SD card get corrupted if I terminate the `mkfs.ext4` process?
[18:36] <xorpad> they would probably say no because they know I hack people when i'm mad at them
[18:36] <xorpad> so i just don't ask
[18:36] <teej> xorpad: How did you know my name?
[18:36] <Blubberbub> teej, i *think* it will not be broken. But you will need to do the step again in order to use it
[18:37] <xorpad> teej, I don't know your name:P
[18:37] <teej> xorpad: Oh.
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[18:37] <xorpad> teej, why did you think I know your name?
[18:37] <teej> xorpad: Never mind that.
[18:38] <xorpad> okay:D
[18:38] <xorpad> hehe
[18:38] <shauno> I'd assume from calling him TJ instead of teej ;)
[18:38] <xorpad> that would have been a typo and nothing more
[18:38] <xorpad> not a hack:P
[18:38] <teej> xorpad: Typo with capitalization. Sure.
[18:39] <xorpad> teej, maybe my brain figured it out subconsiously, I didn't do it on purpose
[18:39] <teej> Blubberbub: Sending a bunch of `^C` commands does little to stop it.
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[18:40] <teej> Blubberbub: I'll just quit Terminal.
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[18:42] <teej> Blubberbub: I'm going to try restarting the VM.
[18:42] <teej> Hopefully the SD card will still show up afterwards.
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[18:44] <teej> Now the VM isn't rebooting.
[18:45] <teej> Okay now VirtualBox isn't responding.
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[18:46] <teej> I'm also running out of memory. Maybe I should terminate VirtualBox too.
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[18:47] <teej> Hmm. I think the VM disk is corrupted since it doesn't load.
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[18:55] <kerio> rip
[18:55] <kerio> hold on how's TJ a name
[18:57] <Blubberbub> oh no :/
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[19:12] <teej> Blubberbub: I corrupted everything so I need to recreate the partitions on the SD card.
[19:12] <Blubberbub> teej, that might be the case, yes.
[19:12] <Blubberbub> well
[19:12] <Blubberbub> it shouldn't be...
[19:12] <Blubberbub> i don't know
[19:13] <teej> I'm going to use macOS for the rest of the stuff after using the `mkfs` commands.
[19:13] <teej> Hopefully the `bsdtar` and `sync` commands on macOS are similar to the Linux ones.
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[19:14] <Blubberbub> well - you will not be able to access and mount the ext3 system
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> or even ext4.
[19:14] <teej> Oh.
[19:14] <teej> Man...
[19:14] <teej> Okay.
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[19:14] <Blubberbub> check the arguments for mkfs thing
[19:15] <teej> Back to VirtualBox.
[19:15] <Blubberbub> there might be a non-default not-recommended quick option
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[19:16] <teej> As soon as I make this SD card, I'm going to find a way to store the SD card as a compressed image, so I can just use `dd` next time.
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[19:17] <Blubberbub> maybe its easier for you to start with a dd-image now
[19:17] <Blubberbub> i don't know
[19:18] <Blubberbub> never done that
[19:20] <kerio> teej: can't you just connect the card reader to the virtualbox VM
[19:20] <teej> kerio: I tried. I don't know how.
[19:20] <kerio> devices -> usb -> card reader
[19:20] <kerio> or whatever
[19:21] <kerio> and then put the sd card in
[19:21] <teej> Oh I put the SD card in afterwards?
[19:21] <kerio> yes
[19:21] <kerio> if the card reader is usb
[19:22] <kerio> or if you have an external usb card reader i guess
[19:22] <kerio> istr the sd reader on my macbook pro is usb
[19:22] <teej> My Ubuntu VM froze.
[19:22] <kerio> rip
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[19:23] <Blubberbub> How much memory did you give your vm?
[19:23] <teej> Blubberbub: 1 GB.
[19:23] <kerio> what is the issue again?
[19:23] <kerio> like the original one
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[19:24] <kerio> hold on why would mkfs.ext2 take a long time
[19:25] <teej> kerio: I used `mkfs.ext4`.
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[19:25] <kerio> anyway you were misled by Habbie
[19:25] <kerio> you don't need to reconnect the device
[19:26] <kerio> you can either select it from the menu
[19:26] <kerio> without using filters
[19:26] <kerio> or you can restart the VM if you have a filter in place
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[19:26] <teej> kerio: I did Devices > USB > Apple Internal Memory Card Reader.
[19:26] <kerio> and? :3
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[19:27] <teej> How do I check if the VM is using it without inserting my SD card?
[19:27] <kerio> dmesg in the VM i guess
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[19:27] <kerio> see if there's a connected device
[19:28] <teej> I think it failed to connect.
[19:28] <teej> I tried it again and it failed.
[19:28] <kerio> :c
[19:29] <kerio> what is your original issue tho
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[19:33] <teej> kerio: Trying to get Arch Linux on Raspberry Pi using my MacBook.
[19:33] <kerio> why do you need to mount things
[19:33] <kerio> isn't there a premade image
[19:35] <Blubberbub> no
[19:35] <teej> kerio: Um. Not sure.
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[19:36] <teej> I've been working on this for 3 hours. Lol.
[19:36] <Blubberbub> the procedure is to mount the sdcard, create 2 partitions, format them and copy the files there
[19:36] <kerio> ye ok
[19:37] <kerio> teej: add a raw disk that's as big as your sd card to your vm
[19:37] <kerio> do the thing there
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[19:37] <kerio> as in raw disk image
[19:37] <kerio> then dd the disk image to the sd
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[19:44] <teej> kerio: But what about the partitions?
[19:44] <kerio> make them
[19:45] <teej> https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/broadcom/raspberry-pi-2
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[19:46] <teej> kerio: Step 5?
[19:46] <kerio> ?
[19:46] <kerio> do the whole thing inside your linux VM
[19:47] <teej> In the Installation section, use dd for step 5?
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[19:51] <Habbie> kerio, 'misled' is a big word for 'as i recall it' :)
[19:52] <Habbie> kerio, but i'm glad it got resolved
[19:52] <Habbie> oh, it's not done yet
[19:52] <teej> Habbie: Um.. Not done yet. Lol.
[19:53] <teej> Actually this isn't funny.
[19:53] <teej> It's incredibly annoying.
[19:53] <Habbie> ok
[19:53] <Habbie> what's the problem?
[19:54] <teej> Well I just got past the part where I have to format the partitions.
[19:54] <Habbie> ok
[19:56] <teej> Now I'm trying to reconfigure the VM to load the SD card again.
[19:56] <Habbie> why?
[19:56] <Habbie> did it lose it?
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[19:57] <teej> I had to redo everything because everything crashed and corrupted.
[19:58] <teej> And then I did redo the partitions, and then I listened to kerio and then the VM crashed and then corrupted again.
[19:58] <Habbie> 'fun'
[19:58] <TheoMurpse> I'm trying to set up a rPi3 headless. I don't own any USB keyboard. I've got the SD card flashed with Stretch Lite. Following instructions, I should be able to mount and locate wpa_supplicant to configure it, but in /etc/ there is no wpa_supplicant. The online guide I found suggests there should be. Does stretch have it but not lite?
[19:58] <Habbie> TheoMurpse, did you mean /etc or /boot ?
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[19:59] <teej> TheoMurpse: You make a wpa_supplicant file.
[19:59] <teej> `sudo nano /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf`
[20:00] <Habbie> i recall that the /boot wpa stuff did not work on lite; so i wonder if it's installed at all
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[20:01] <TheoMurpse> Habbie, I meant /etc. The guide I read said I needed to edit /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf, but there is not even a wpa_supplicant path in /etc
[20:02] <Habbie> TheoMurpse, can you check the list of installed packages from your mount?
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[20:02] <TheoMurpse> I'm not sure how to do that, Habbie. The SD card is just plugged into my laptop right now as an external disk.
[20:03] <TheoMurpse> I can't apt.
[20:03] <Habbie> ok, give me a minute
[20:03] <Habbie> cd var/lib/dpkg in your mount
[20:03] <Habbie> ls | grep wpa
[20:03] <Lartza> doesn't raspbian use dhcpcd
[20:03] <Habbie> Lartza, it does, why?
[20:04] <Lartza> So, configure that not wpa_supplicant?
[20:04] <leftyfb> Habbie: it does work on lite
[20:04] <Habbie> leftyfb, ok
[20:04] <Lartza> or do they not clash?
[20:04] <Habbie> also my ls | grep is wrong
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[20:04] <teej> TheoMurpse: If there isn't a `wpa_supplicant.conf` file, you make it using `sudo nano /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf`. That's all.
[20:04] <Habbie> Lartza, dhcpcd is in fact the piece that invokes wpa_supplicant for you
[20:04] <Lartza> I know that
[20:04] <Habbie> no scratch that, ls | grep wpa in that dir is useful
[20:04] <Habbie> Lartza, so what's the question?
[20:04] <Lartza> Habbie, dhcpcd doesn't grab and manage the wlan interface?
[20:05] <Encrypt> TheoMurpse, Don't you have an ethernet wire lying around?
[20:05] <Lartza> thus breaking any manual wpasupplicant config
[20:05] <Habbie> Lartza, it asks wpa_supplicant to configure the wifi/wpa side of it; then it grabs it back to do DHCP
[20:05] <Encrypt> TheoMurpse, You could connect the Pi to your set top box & nmap your local net to find it
[20:05] <Habbie> Encrypt, that's definitely the easiest way
[20:06] <Encrypt> Setting up the WiFi before the first boot to connect to the router etc seems to me like... really tricky :P
[20:07] <Habbie> Encrypt, yes
[20:07] <Habbie> Encrypt, i've done it but it was painful
[20:07] <Habbie> Encrypt, being able to see what happens helps a lot
[20:07] <Encrypt> Yeah
[20:08] <Habbie> especially combined with the 90% of online howtos that miss the socket line
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[20:09] <teej> On step 5 for https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/broadcom/raspberry-pi-2#installation it says "as root, not via sudo".
[20:09] <teej> Does that mean I have to `sudo su`?
[20:09] <Habbie> one
[20:09] <Habbie> i don't see why it says that
[20:09] <Habbie> two
[20:09] <Habbie> never type sudo su
[20:09] <Habbie> type sudo -i or sudo -s
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[20:10] <Habbie> also that 'sync' line is useless (but harmless)
[20:10] <TheoMurpse> Encrypt yeah I guess you're right I could connect it to my router with an ethernet cable. We moved, but I had to unpack an ethernet cable for my wife's work laptop just a couple days ago!
[20:10] <Lartza> I think I've used both just fine yeah, just be sure to use bsdtar even though I think tar usually works too just spams a lot of errors
[20:10] <Encrypt> TheoMurpse, And you know
[20:10] <TheoMurpse> teej, does the lack of a /etc/wpa_supplicant path indicate that wpa_supplicant binaries are not installed at all in stretch lite?
[20:10] <Encrypt> Once you have an ethernet (SSH) access to your Pi, you can then configure the Wi-Fi
[20:10] <Habbie> TheoMurpse, it does strongly suggest it to me. did you check /var/lib/dpkg/info ?
[20:11] <teej> TheoMurpse: No, I don't think so.
[20:11] <TheoMurpse> correct because I've already added the ssh file to the root
[20:11] <TheoMurpse> so once it's online i can ssh in and apt and such
[20:11] <TheoMurpse> Habbie, whoops didn't do that, I will now
[20:11] <Encrypt> And yeah, dhcpcd is a pain x)
[20:11] <Encrypt> It overrides so many configuration files...
[20:12] <Habbie> i don't get the dhcpcd choice
[20:12] <Habbie> it's a pain
[20:12] <teej> Habbie: So I just use sudo -s?
[20:12] <Habbie> sure
[20:12] <Habbie> or -i
[20:12] <Habbie> but remember to cd after that etc.
[20:12] <Encrypt> I spent a long time before figuring out why the system wouldn't take into account my /etc/network/interfaces file on Raspian Stretch
[20:12] <Habbie> Encrypt, uhuh
[20:12] <Habbie> Encrypt, first thing i do on almost every pi is fully remove dhcpcd
[20:12] <TheoMurpse> oh holllly crap i am so stupid, I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time
[20:13] <Encrypt> Sound like a good solution
[20:13] <Habbie> TheoMurpse, hmm?
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[20:13] <TheoMurpse> the SD card is mounted at /Volumes/myvol
[20:13] <TheoMurpse> then I typed "cd /etc/ ; ls wpa_supplicant"
[20:13] <TheoMurpse> instead of "cd ./etc
[20:13] <Encrypt> Habbie, More recently, I had a good time with SystemD on the Pi of a friend
[20:13] <Habbie> TheoMurpse, d'oh!
[20:13] <TheoMurpse> so I was looking for wpa_supplicant in my OSX etc path!
[20:13] <Habbie> TheoMurpse, well i've definitely been there :)
[20:13] <Habbie> TheoMurpse, so how did you mount the SD card on osx?
[20:13] <Encrypt> I added a drive in /etc/fstab (correcponding to a USB hard drive hosting a Seafile data folder)
[20:13] <teej> Habbie: `bsdtar` is not installed. I have to install it using `apt install libarchive-tools`.
[20:14] <TheoMurpse> 10 day free trial of a commercial product that enables RW
[20:14] <Habbie> teej, sounds good
[20:14] <Habbie> TheoMurpse, ah
[20:14] <Encrypt> But at the next boot, the disk wasn't recognized immediately at boot, the SystemD Unit failed and the Pi failed to start (-.-)'
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[20:14] <TheoMurpse> (after realizing the ext4fuse program doesn't enable write)
[20:14] <Blubberbub> i nearly modified the /etc/fstab of my vm instead on the sd card just a few minutes ago (and yes, i only had to mount it because i made a typo in that file earlier and it wasn't booting any more -.-)
[20:14] <Habbie> TheoMurpse, i did not know that about ext4fuse, good to know
[20:14] <Encrypt> (And the Pi was headless)
[20:14] <Habbie> Encrypt, fun
[20:14] <Encrypt> Yeah
[20:15] <Encrypt> I've discovered a "timeout" option which does the trick
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[20:15] <TheoMurpse> The reason I noticed I'd not done the ./ but went from / was because I was going to check the dpkg path and it didn't exist, but "weather_station" existed in "/var" and I thought "hm, that's funny, that's the same name as some software I wrote years ago for a Beaglebone Black I own"
[20:15] <Encrypt> Systemd has advantages but also inconvenients...
[20:15] <teej> Habbie: I typed the `bsdtar -xpf ArchLinuxARM-rpi-2-latest.tar.gz -C root` line and it looks like it froze.
[20:15] <TheoMurpse> realized I was in my Mac's /var instead of /Volumes/sdcard/var
[20:15] <Habbie> teej, i bet it takes a while
[20:15] <Encrypt> TheoMurpse, :D
[20:15] <Habbie> teej, you could open a second terminal and watch 'df -h' to see if the image/SD is filling up
[20:15] <teej> Habbie: Okay. maybe it's just slow. Hopefully it won't take another hour.
[20:16] <Lartza> teej, It's already taken an hour?
[20:16] <Encrypt> teej, That's certainly it
[20:16] <Encrypt> teej, Open another terminal and type top / htop
[20:17] <teej> AH!
[20:17] <Encrypt> You'll see bsdtar working
[20:17] <Encrypt> -ing
[20:17] <teej> It spit a bunch of files with `Write to restore size failed` and then `bsdtar: Error exit delayed from previous errors.`.
[20:18] <teej> I think it failed for every file.
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[20:18] <teej> Should I not use sudo?
[20:18] <teej> Should I just use `sudo su`?
[20:19] <Lartza> teej, Never run sudo su
[20:19] <Lartza> You were already told that
[20:19] <Encrypt> https://flummox-engineering.blogspot.fr/2014/10/homebrew-write-to-restore-size-failed.html
[20:19] <teej> Lartza: It's just a VM though.
[20:19] <Encrypt> "This error message happens because you run out of disk space when extracting files. The error actually comes from the tar command."
[20:19] <Habbie> yes
[20:19] <Encrypt> Sound legit
[20:19] <Habbie> so how is the disk space in the place you were extracting?
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[20:21] <teej> It's pretty much empty.
[20:21] <Lartza> And is the SD card legit?
[20:21] <Encrypt> Dinner time, see you o/
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[20:21] <teej> Lartza: Legit?
[20:21] <Lartza> Where did you buy it
[20:21] <Habbie> pretty much empty? are you sure you were extracting to it?
[20:21] <teej> Lol it's a legit SD card. Sandisk whatever.
[20:21] <Lartza> ^ too
[20:22] <Lartza> teej, It doesn't matter what it says on the package if it's from ebay/china :P
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[20:22] <teej> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tF9eSxaS/Screen%20Shot%202017-10-31%20at%203.20.40%20PM.png
[20:23] <Habbie> so what's in /home/osboxes/root ?
[20:23] <teej> See /dev/sdb1 and sdb2
[20:23] <teej> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/H5Z6wHyz/Screen%20Shot%202017-10-31%20at%203.23.34%20PM.png
[20:24] <Habbie> can you show 'mount' output?
[20:25] <teej> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bLVYtbfb/Screen%20Shot%202017-10-31%20at%203.25.17%20PM.png
[20:26] <Habbie> that looks good
[20:26] <Habbie> i dunno
[20:26] <teej> It says read only.
[20:26] <Habbie> that it does
[20:26] <teej> Last line.
[20:26] <Habbie> please check dmesg
[20:27] <teej> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/I13TM6Q7/Screen%20Shot%202017-10-31%20at%203.27.26%20PM.png
[20:28] <Blubberbub> did you do a successful run of mkfs?
[20:28] <Habbie> this is not an mkfs issue
[20:29] <Habbie> this is way worse
[20:29] <teej> Uh...
[20:30] <teej> Well I used the mkfs.ext4 command.
[20:30] <teej> Yes.
[20:30] <Habbie> normally we would call this a hardware issue
[20:30] <teej> Habbie: Worse?
[20:30] <Habbie> but you have a bunch of 'layers'
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[20:31] <Habbie> like vbox
[20:31] <Habbie> which may be doing things wrong
[20:31] <Habbie> (i'm not a fan of vbox)
[20:32] <Lartza> Or he SD card is broken
[20:32] <teej> Habbie: This is an ugly setup, with the SD card mounted on my MacBook, which is then used to create a fake VirtualBox hard disk file, that is then loaded into the Ubuntu VM and then mounted.
[20:32] <Lartza> ... what
[20:32] <Habbie> Lartza, or that
[20:33] <Lartza> Integrated card reader?
[20:33] <Habbie> yes
[20:33] <teej> Yes.
[20:33] <Lartza> And you can't pass it as USB to vbox?
[20:33] <teej> No. It fails to load.
[20:33] <teej> It says its busy.
[20:33] <Habbie> at least on my mac the SD is not on USB
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[20:35] <Blubberbub> the solution is really to create an image in the vm and push it to the sd card later and resize it...
[20:35] <Blubberbub> i guess
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[20:36] <teej> Blubberbub: Can I do that through Docker instead?
[20:37] <Blubberbub> maybe
[20:37] <Blubberbub> i don't know
[20:37] <Blubberbub> probably
[20:37] <teej> I'm tired of VMs.
[20:37] <Habbie> you can but it won't be as easy as in a VM
[20:37] <Blubberbub> Habbie, why?
[20:37] <Habbie> because you can't mount stuff
[20:37] <Habbie> unless you make the container privileged and even then things can be confusing
[20:37] <Blubberbub> just create the image and copy it out of the container and then dd it?
[20:38] <Habbie> 'just create the image'?
[20:38] <Blubberbub> ah
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[20:38] <Blubberbub> now i get what you are saying
[20:38] <teej> I still don't get it.
[20:38] <teej> Oh you have to mount into the image to make it?
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[20:38] <Habbie> you don't -have- to
[20:38] <Habbie> but if you're not going to mount, linux is not adding much for you
[20:39] <teej> Habbie: Oh okay.
[20:39] <Habbie> bbl
[20:39] <teej> Well...
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[20:39] <teej> I thought getting Arch Linux to run on the Raspberry Pi was going to be simple.
[20:39] <Blubberbub> normally it is :D
[20:39] <teej> I went through all this, and it still isn't done.
[20:40] <H4ndy> nooone said it will be fast ;D
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[20:40] <Lartza> Well it should be, just need bsdtar 3.3 and extract, done
[20:41] <teej> H4ndy: ^
[20:41] <Lartza> But you're kind of doing a super weird setup or your card is broken :P
[20:41] <Lartza> so yeah
[20:42] <teej> I'm sure my card isn't "broken". I used Raspbian on it.
[20:42] <Lartza> Yeah until you use it in a less weird way it's more likely it's not
[20:42] <Lartza> But it can happen quite easily with SD cards
[20:43] <teej> Lartza: Happen quite easily? These microSD cards can break easily?
[20:43] <Lartza> Corrupt yes
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[20:43] <teej> Lartza: Permanently?
[20:44] <Lartza> Yes, and I mean easily compared to other stuff and since you can run them in a suboptimal environment with the pi
[20:44] <Lartza> Mine's been fine for years :P
[20:44] <Lartza> But nothing is forever
[20:44] <Habbie> i've only had trouble on two pis that were doing memory swapping all day
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[20:45] <Lartza> Yeah it's usually heavy usage or power issues or both combined I'd say
[20:46] <Blubberbub> Habbie, running a privileged container doesn't look that complicated? To me it looks like its enough to add a -privileged to the run command?
[20:46] <teej> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/82mQLa5Y/Screen%20Shot%202017-10-31%20at%203.46.15%20PM.png
[20:46] <Habbie> Blubberbub, that part is easy - but without remembering specifics, many things still were painful inside it for me
[20:46] <teej> I tried doing the bsdtar again.
[20:46] <teej> It's stuck on the last file.
[20:47] <Blubberbub> try again until it succeeds? :D
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[20:48] <Blubberbub> you are not done, though. you still need to move some files to /boot
[20:48] <teej> Blubberbub: I know, but why would it be stuck?
[20:48] <teej> `./user/bin/ip`
[20:48] <Lartza> see dmesg again and you'll probably see why
[20:48] <teej> Whatever that is.
[20:49] <Lartza> that's the ip executable, kind of like ifconfig but not deprecated
[20:49] <Habbie> user?
[20:50] <teej> Oh man...
[20:50] <teej> It's worse than before.
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[20:51] <teej> It keeps on "hard resetting link" to the "SATA link".
[20:52] <teej> Before it said that the kernel was hanging.
[20:52] <teej> It says "device reported invalid CHS sector 0".
[20:52] <teej> Sector 0 is...
[20:52] <teej> Like the first sector?
[20:53] <teej> I really hope it doesn't corrupt the SD card again.
[20:53] <teej> I'm not doing this again.
[20:54] <teej> I feel like throwing this VirtualBox into VirtualTrash.
[20:55] <Lartza> it's just your trash setup, vbox is fine I use it for all my arch arm installs
[20:55] <Lartza> :P
[20:55] <Lartza> But I have a 4 dollar USB sd card reader that I just give to Arch
[20:55] <teej> VirtualIncinerator
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[20:56] <teej> How do I stop bsdtar?
[20:56] <teej> I already tried Ctrl+C.
[20:58] <teej> Oh I think it stopped.
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[21:00] <teej> Okay that's it...
[21:00] <teej> I'm done with this..
[21:00] <teej> Blubberbub: I'm going to do it your way and make a VM to make the image.
[21:00] <teej> Blubberbub: So what should I do?
[21:01] <Blubberbub> i think i already said i never done that
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[21:01] <teej> Oh...
[21:01] <Blubberbub> Habbie knows it, i think
[21:01] <Blubberbub> he suggested it and now it sounds like the best option you have
[21:02] <Blubberbub> in a vm its probably easier than in a docker container
[21:02] <Blubberbub> true
[21:02] <teej> Yeah I'm just going to do it that way.
[21:02] <teej> Then I'll just use `dd` on macOS to transfer the image over.
[21:03] <Lartza> I'd say you kind of just... dd it in the VM to an image then do the reverse on mac :P
[21:03] <Lartza> But not sure what exactly
[21:03] <Blubberbub> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/209566/how-to-format-a-partition-inside-of-an-img-file <- this is how to do it, i guess...
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[21:04] <teej> How do you create an .img file as a partition?
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[21:04] <Blubberbub> create file with zeros, create partitions with fdisk, use losetup-magic to create devices for the partitions
[21:04] <shauno> (look for answers that involve kpartx. so much easier than messing around manually defining boundaries)
[21:04] <Blubberbub> or listen to shauno and i will keep quiet now ;)
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[21:05] <Blubberbub> first part stays the same, though
[21:05] <shauno> 'magic' sounds like the right idea too. just not a fan of stuff like --offset $((512*2048)). it's 2017, we have computers to figure such things out now :)
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[21:06] <Blubberbub> shauno, there is an "implicit way" below that doesn't need that
[21:06] <Blubberbub> i think
[21:07] <shauno> hm, I've never seen that before. looks like it's doing exactly what I use kpartx for too. I may have to try that sometime
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[21:09] <teej> Are there any instructions I can follow?
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[21:11] <Blubberbub> kinda
[21:11] <Blubberbub> the question has part of the dd command you need to adapt to create the image file
[21:11] <Blubberbub> make it like 4GB - ought to be enough and we don't want to risk it being an MB to big to be written to the card
[21:12] <Blubberbub> well - maybe go safe and make it 8GB, if your card is 32 :D
[21:13] <teej> 8GB would be very large.
[21:13] <Blubberbub> probably, yes
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[21:19] <krautguy> if i tend to use the raspberry pi like a Personal Computer, where could i go to stay informed about system security? For e.g. are there any recent threats like malware, ransomware or something like that?
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[21:21] <kerio> the usual
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[21:31] <GenteelBen> Smeef - is that a Smurf queef?
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[21:37] <teej> https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/209586
[21:37] <teej> Blubberbub: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/209586
[21:37] <teej> What route should I take? Explicit or implicit?
[21:38] <Blubberbub> implicit
[21:38] <Blubberbub> or what shauno said: kpartx (there is an answer for that below as well)
[21:38] <Blubberbub> did you do the fdisk part?
[21:39] <Blubberbub> after the losetup you should be able to just continue with the arch-guide
[21:40] <teej> https://youtu.be/m9We2XsVZfc
[21:41] <teej> Blubberbub: Yes, I did.
[21:42] <Blubberbub> losetup successful?
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[21:43] <teej> Blubberbub: Yes. Now I have to use `mkfs` with the `/dev/loop0` partitions.
[21:44] <Blubberbub> exactly
[21:44] <teej> Seems like `/dev/loop0p1` is the first partition, and `/dev/loop0p2` the second one.
[21:44] <Blubberbub> no big surprise there ;)
[21:45] <Blubberbub> so p1 should be boot and p2 root
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[21:50] <teej> Blubberbub: Now the `bsdtar` is finally working.
[21:51] <teej> Oh no...
[21:51] <teej> It said `bsdtar: Error exit delayed from previous errors.`
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[21:52] <Lartza> no pax attribute errors?
[21:53] <Blubberbub> i got to go to sleep now. Good Night and good luck.
[21:53] <teej> After doing it again, it says `bsdtar: Ignoring malformed pax extended attribute`
[21:53] <teej> Blubberbub: Oh okay. Thanks for the help.
[21:53] <Lartza> you need libarchive 3.3
[21:54] <teej> What do I get from apt?
[21:54] <teej> All of the libarchive stuff?
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[21:54] <Lartza> Ubuntu?
[21:54] <teej> Yes.
[21:54] <Lartza> You need to grab it from a PPA or compile yourself
[21:55] <Lartza> Ubuntu has bsdtar 3.2.2
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[21:55] <teej> Lartza: Oh man...
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[21:55] <teej> Let me try to grab it from a PPA.
[21:56] <teej> Maybe its faster just compiling it.
[21:57] <teej> Lartza: Is it this? http://www.libarchive.org/
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[21:58] <Lartza> It should take less than a minute to compile on a PC
[21:58] <Lartza> and yes
[21:58] <Lartza> just make, don't make install, easy
[21:58] <Lartza> :P
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[22:01] <teej> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VHXwvqca/Screen%20Shot%202017-10-31%20at%205.01.00%20PM.png
[22:02] <Lartza> apt-get install build-essential
[22:03] <teej> Lartza: I see. Need the C compiler.
[22:03] <teej> Okay I'm compiling.
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[22:04] <teej> Okay I did `./configure`.
[22:05] <teej> Time to `make`.
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[22:07] <teej> Lartza: Okay I finished `make`.
[22:07] <teej> So how do I use it?
[22:07] <Lartza> The binaries are just there somewhere
[22:07] <teej> Without `make install`...
[22:08] <Lartza> you can point to it directly
[22:08] <Lartza> just like any script etc
[22:09] <teej> Like `bash ~/libarchive-3.3.2/bsdtar -vxpf ArchLinuxARM-rpi-2-latest.tar.gz -C root`?
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[22:10] <teej> Oh wait, it's not a bash script.
[22:10] <teej> So just...
[22:10] <teej> `~/libarchive-3.3.2/bsdtar -vxpf ArchLinuxARM-rpi-2-latest.tar.gz -C root`?
[22:11] <teej> I think I figured it out.
[22:11] <teej> It's working.
[22:12] <teej> Does Arch Linux have the latest bsdtar?
[22:12] <Lartza> yes
[22:12] <teej> Oh okay.
[22:12] <Lartza> Arch Linux has latest everything pretty much :P
[22:12] <teej> It seems like the tar file has a lot of extra unnecessary files like Radeon and Nvidia graphics drivers.
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> teej, what is it that you're trying to achieve?
[22:12] <teej> It finished successfully!
[22:13] <Lartza> teej, nvidia drivers? where?
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[22:14] <Lartza> teej, /usr/lib/firmware is not drivers and is all part of linux-firmware
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[22:15] <teej> Lartza: So now that it's done, I've completed steps 6 and 7 on https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/broadcom/raspberry-pi-2#installation
[22:15] <teej> So now I have my .img file left.
[22:15] <teej> I should probably save that.
[22:16] <Lartza> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ not sure what you are doing
[22:16] <Lartza> :D
[22:16] <Lartza> well I know what you are doing but no idea how to do it
[22:16] <teej> gordonDrogon: Just trying to set up an image of Arch Linux so that I can use that for my Raspberry Pi.
[22:16] <Lartza> is more accurate
[22:16] <teej> Okay...
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[22:17] <gordonDrogon> teej, ok. I know several have done this in the past though.
[22:17] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, And for some more context, mac so no ext4 support and integrated macbook card reader so can't pass it to a VM :P
[22:17] <Lartza> so, create image manually, then move it to mac and dd
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> oh right.
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> didn't noobs used to have an arch installer on it ?
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[22:20] <teej> gordonDrogon: It does?
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[22:23] <gordonDrogon> I think so.
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[22:23] <gordonDrogon> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/noobs/
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> I just watched the video and although they installed Raspbian (which I'd strongly recommend you use if you're new to the Pi), I'm sure I saw the Arch logo on their screen.
[22:24] <Lartza> I saw that too, so unless something has changed...
[22:25] <teej> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Yai1pznD/Screen%20Shot%202017-10-31%20at%205.24.54%20PM.png
[22:25] <teej> From this tiny screenshot of the website https://www.raspberrypi.org/learning/software-guide/quickstart/
[22:25] <teej> It doesn't show Arch Linux.
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[22:28] <Lartza> teej, apparently it's not in anymore https://sourceforge.net/projects/pinn/
[22:28] <Lartza> Arch used to be linked under https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ too :)
[22:29] <teej> Lartza: What about this: https://sourceforge.net/projects/pinn/files/os/Arch2/
[22:30] <Lartza> What about it?
[22:31] <teej> It shows some Arch Linux files.
[22:31] <Lartza> Yeah?
[22:31] <teej> Does that mean I could have used PINN the whole time?
[22:31] <Lartza> PINN is a NOOBS fork
[22:31] <Lartza> that supports Arch
[22:31] <Lartza> apparently
[22:31] <Lartza> so yes
[22:31] <Lartza> pinn-lite and install the same way as NOOBS I'd imagine
[22:32] <Lartza> It's exactly like NOOBS but a fork
[22:32] <Lartza> afaict
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[22:33] <gordonDrogon> or stick to Raspbian ;-)
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[22:49] <teej> gordonDrogon: But Raspbian has old versions of packages.
[22:50] <redrabbit> and it works fine
[22:50] <teej> Until you need Python 3.6 because some other things needs it.
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[22:50] <teej> thing*
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> I program in BASIC. I guess I don't need bleeding edge then.
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[22:55] <teej> gordonDrogon: Oh. That's cool. What are you programming?
[22:55] <teej> It's not that I need the bleeding edge. Just something relatively recent.
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> oh anything - I program for fun (& money).
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> simple games. emulators, etc.
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> hardware stuff too.
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[23:00] <HrdwrBoB> ideally fun and money at the same time
[23:00] <HrdwrBoB> but eh
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> whatever..
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> actually, since I get to choose who I work for, then it's almost always fun.
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[23:09] <GrandPa-G> How much effect would stray emi effect the stability of a pi? I don't know where it is coming from but there is a radio transmitter next to it but it is on but not transmitting.
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> hard to tell - start Tx and see what happens ...
[23:11] <Encrypt> GrandPa-G, You could wrap your pi in a metal enclosure
[23:11] <Encrypt> That would be fine
[23:11] <HrdwrBoB> GrandPa-G: at low levels... almost certainly none
[23:11] <HrdwrBoB> but eh
[23:12] <GrandPa-G> Encrypt:we have thought of that. Is aluminum foil enough?
[23:12] <Encrypt> I think so
[23:12] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[23:12] <HrdwrBoB> infact it's perfect
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[23:16] <HrdwrBoB> make sure you ground it
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[23:30] <Encrypt> GrandPa-G, Would you do that, make sure to wrap an insulating layer before wrapping it in aluminium
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[23:32] <GrandPa-G> Encrypt:we currently have a plastic box that is about 2x bigger than the pi. It has a custom daughterboard and lots of space for air. We had thought of doing the metal. Aluminum foil would just be a test.
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[23:33] <Encrypt> Alright then :)
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[23:48] <tristero> custom daughterboard is 100x more likely source of instability than EMI :-)
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[23:56] <nacelle> GrandPa-G: pi2's are suseceptible to light
[23:56] <nacelle> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2v6kwm/raspberry_pi_a_xenon_flash_will_cause_the/ etc.
[23:58] * xamindar (~quassel@ Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

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