#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-11-04

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[0:33] <Smeef> Anyone know why I get this message whenever I try to use Remote Desktop in Windows 10 to RDP into my Pi Zero W with Raspbian and xrdp installed? https://i.imgur.com/10zPaZK.png
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[0:43] <markerz18> Hey guys
[0:43] <markerz18> Need some help
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[0:43] <markerz18> I plugged in a Alfa AWUS036NH into my pi, and i notice the light wont come on..... also lsusb does not seem to detect it.
[0:44] <markerz18> Any ideas?
[0:45] <Smeef> I have that exact same model, it's a piece of crap, died on me after only a few months, and I barely got to use it. Are you sure it's working?
[0:46] <markerz18> Yeah i mean, i plug it into my desktop and it works fine
[0:46] <Smeef> Actually, I'm not sure f it's the *exact* same, I can't remember the model number, but it looked exactly like that, and was the same brand.
[0:46] <markerz18> I just put kali linux on my pi, and the adapter power light isnt even on
[0:46] <Smeef> Hmmm
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[0:46] <markerz18> Yeah its connected via usb to the pi
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[0:47] <Smeef> What model Pi? Is it possible the USB ports aren't drawing enough power because your power supply doesn't have enough amps?
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[0:48] <Smeef> I think the Pi 3 needs 2.5A to work properly, most high end USB power supplies only do 2A
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[0:50] <Smeef> I'm assuming you got that model WiFi adapter because of the packet injection capability, IDK if they draw more power than normal.
[0:50] <markerz18> Yeah thats what im considering
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[0:50] <markerz18> Wait!
[0:50] <markerz18> Nope
[0:50] <markerz18> I just booted a different system on the pi and it lit up and is working fine
[0:50] <Smeef> :S
[0:51] <markerz18> Swapped the kali linux sd card with the kodi sd card
[0:51] <Smeef> Must be a driver issue then
[0:51] <markerz18> How do i install the driver?
[0:52] <Smeef> Although, you'd think Kali would work with that kind of adapter, if any
[0:52] <markerz18> Kali works fine with it on my desktop
[0:52] <Smeef> No idea, see if there's a package available for download
[0:52] <markerz18> There must be something different about the arm version
[0:52] <markerz18> There is a package, but its a bunch of zip files and im unsure how to install them
[0:53] <redrabbit> I have the same exact problem with one of my alfa
[0:53] <redrabbit> they are good cards when they work
[0:53] <redrabbit> issue on mine is from the connector
[0:53] <markerz18> Maybe of i just update the linux system.....
[0:54] <redrabbit> i just use my second alfa card that works
[0:54] <redrabbit> ill try to repair it though
[0:54] <Smeef> I'm not the best at installing things on Linux, especially if they're not in a repo, but if Kali is based on Debian, you might want to look for a *.deb file. I'm just guessing here.
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[0:55] <redrabbit> or install whatever tools youd use on raspbian
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[1:02] <Kryczek> Smeef: maybe you used it without an antenna screwed in?
[1:03] <markerz18> Lol
[1:04] <Smeef> Kryczek: I tossed it into a bag of scraps somewhere, but I actually kept the antenna for another device, lol
[1:04] <Smeef> Also, no, the antenna was connected the whole time, lol
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[1:04] <Kryczek> Smeef: no I mean using a transmitter without an antenna connected can damage RF equipment
[1:05] <Smeef> Oh, I didn't know that O_o
[1:05] <Kryczek> I've had my Alfa cards for 10+ years now, still working great :)
[1:05] <Smeef> I guess it makes sense, since the power has to go somewhere
[1:06] <chod> last transisitor Oo.
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[1:25] <mattwj2002> Hi all
[1:26] <mattwj2002> I need a 00 size screw driver and some tape....anyone have one I can borrow?
[1:27] <mattwj2002> I just got my google aiy kit :)
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[1:31] <nullifier> i have a 18" #00
[1:32] <nullifier> just because
[1:32] <nullifier> Back in HS they called me slim
[1:32] <Kryczek> name checks out
[1:32] <mattwj2002> Haha
[1:33] <mattwj2002> Anyone playing with google aiy?
[1:33] <mattwj2002> I need to get those two parts
[1:33] <mattwj2002> And the fun starts :)
[1:33] <nullifier> yakov joke waiting to happen
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[1:39] <Smeef> mattwj2002: Did you get it from that Micro Center deal for 1 cent?
[1:41] <mattwj2002> Smeef yupper
[1:41] <Smeef> Damn, I missed out, my friend got it a few days ago, too.
[1:42] <mattwj2002> It is nice :)
[1:42] <mattwj2002> I just wish I had a screw driver small enough :(
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[1:49] <markerz18> Fixed it
[1:49] <markerz18> Apt-get install firmware-atheros
[1:50] <markerz18> That fixed it. Vendor had no limux driver for it haha
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[2:22] <xaviergmail> Hey, I'm looking for any kind of tablet PC with a 7 inch+ capacitive touch screen and a 802.11n adapter. Any cheap options? I won't be running the Pi os on it but figured this could be a neat place to ask
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[2:23] <xaviergmail> (other than of course a Pi and the official touchscreen)
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[2:55] <Journeyman> how would you get the state of a channel with python GPIO
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[3:03] <{HD}> What do you think the run time on one of these would be like for a rasp0w? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Wemos-18650-Battery-Shield-V3-ESP32-For-Arduino/222633825801?epid=23005990202&hash=item33d6029609:g:oAgAAOSwl75ZrM-c
[3:04] <{HD}> I know the battery is what makes the difference but a normal 18650 like 2500-3000 mAH
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[3:09] * ShorTie Thinkz "If you put wrong direction, charging chip will be destroyed.", how nice of them
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[3:10] <{HD}> I giggled at that...
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[3:11] <{HD}> And why arent people talking about this: https://www.pine64.org/?product=rock64-media-board-computer
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[3:11] <{HD}> That seems pretty good for the price
[3:11] <{HD}> all winner sucks but...
[3:11] <{HD}> cheap
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[3:14] * ShorTie Thinkz, because it isn't a pi and this is a pi channel .. :/~
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[3:15] <{HD}> I hear a lot about the odroids here
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[3:24] <mattwj2002> Hi
[3:24] <mattwj2002> Google aiy assembled!!!!!
[3:28] <mattwj2002> Does anyone know how get a python script to start on boot?
[3:28] * stiv guesses: put it in /etc/rc.local
[3:29] <mattwj2002> Thanks stiv
[3:29] <stiv> see if it works first!
[3:29] <tristero> or in a cronjob with the special @reboot "time"
[3:29] <mattwj2002> It does man!
[3:30] <stiv> mattwj2002, woo woo! it's like i have psychotic powers...
[3:31] <mattwj2002> :)
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[3:46] <SirLagz> psychotic powers? not sure that's a good thing.
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[3:53] <mattwj2002> Google aiy is fun to build
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[4:09] <caoliver> Here's an odd question, would feeding a Pi3 from a simple DC-DC convert cause trouble with the WIFI?
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[4:10] <caoliver> The converter is running at ~500KHz.
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[4:32] <baldengineer> caoliver there's always a possibility. don't for the Pis after ver2 use an on-board switching supply
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[4:34] <caoliver> I need to dc->dc from 12v though.
[4:34] <caoliver> Hence the need for an out-board regulator.
[4:34] <caoliver> As it stands, there's a gang of lm7805s, but you can fry eggs on them. Not good.
[4:35] <baldengineer> unless you're experiencing a problem, I wouldn't worry about engineering a solution to a problem that doesn't exist
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[4:36] <caoliver> They are shutting down and taking the Pi with them. That's a problem.
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[4:37] <baldengineer> what is "they"
[4:37] <caoliver> 7805
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[4:37] <baldengineer> i stand by what I said
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[4:37] <baldengineer> You're asking if it will interfere with WiFi. I'm not sure why that matters.
[4:38] <caoliver> As this is flying on a drone, I'd just as soon not waste over half the power.
[4:38] <baldengineer> I designed a switching supply that drives my Pi3, which uses WiFi, with no problem
[4:38] <baldengineer> okay, as a drone, why on earth would wifi matter?
[4:38] <caoliver> And I don't want to interfere with the radio. (Actually the wifi is just an example. There are three radios. %GHz, 2.4GHz, and 915MHz.
[4:38] <ball> brb
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[4:39] <caoliver> s/%/5/
[4:39] <baldengineer> if a switching supply in the kilohertz range is creating harmonics to interfer with the megahertz range, you have way larger problems
[4:39] <caoliver> I think that's all I needed to hear.
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[4:41] <caoliver> I'm just thinking about what happens with a pulse with a narrow duty cycle. (Think dirac delta)
[4:42] <caoliver> I'm mainly messed with this stuff in synths and DSP though.
[4:42] <caoliver> I was just thinking that high order harmincs might play havoc.
[4:42] <caoliver> harmonics.
[4:42] <baldengineer> it's not wrong to think in that direction
[4:42] <baldengineer> but your orders of magnitude are off
[4:42] <baldengineer> especially considering there is another switching supply built in
[4:42] <caoliver> Sadly, I'm a softie playing with hardware at this time.
[4:43] <caoliver> That's good to know.
[4:43] <caoliver> That I'm needlessly worrying.
[4:44] <baldengineer> I wouldn't admit that fact
[4:45] <baldengineer> I've found software engineers are the biggest dicks on the planet when it comes to not understanding \.
[4:45] <baldengineer> nuances.
[4:45] <caoliver> I try hard not to be a dick.
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[4:46] <caoliver> I just want to keep the Pi up and running and get my firmware cranked out so the boss is happy. :)
[4:47] <baldengineer> if you're using a pre-built model or good PCB layout techniques, you'll be fine
[4:47] <baldengineer> if you're designing your own switching supply and not using a ground plane (or don't know what that is), you're going to have problems.
[4:47] <caoliver> I certainly am not building it myself. I don't think I'm doing SMT with a 25W Weller pencil iron.
[4:48] <caoliver> I'm
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[4:49] <baldengineer> :)
[4:50] <caoliver> If I wanted to build stuff myself these days, I'd need to skip my morning coffee.
[4:50] <caoliver> Or pick stuff up off the floor continuously.
[4:51] <caoliver> It was bad enough back when I played with through hole parts on a protoboard.
[4:51] <caoliver> That was many moons ago.
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[5:00] <localhorse> hey
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[5:01] <localhorse> to speed up compilation times for rpi apps, is it a good idea to setup a qemu dev env?
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[5:37] <nacelle> localhorse: yes, imo. https://hackaday.com/2016/02/03/code-craft-cross-compiling-for-the-raspberry-pi/ , etc.
[5:37] <nacelle> http://desertbot.io/how-to-cross-compile-for-raspberry-pi/
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[5:37] <nacelle> (I've not followed either)
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[6:26] <tuuwie> hey guys, good morning/evening
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[6:33] <tuuwie> anyone awake around these bends?
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[7:19] <localhorse> nacelle: thanks :)
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[8:15] <NewTy> Anyone know what these two contacts are for? https://imgur.com/a/Zz8Nj --- the output pin on my PIR broke, trying to find a place I can solder a wire to, so it will work again
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[8:20] <nacelle> maybe just desolder the broken pin off and solder in there?
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[8:45] <MoziM> if one has usb to ethernet adapters, could i turn my rpi 3 into a 4 port router? with the ethernet port being reserved for the modem connection?
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[8:49] <mfa298> MoziM: yes, but remember all the usb devices (including the onboard ethernet) are on he same usb bus so bandwidth will be restricted
[8:50] <MoziM> mfa298: 480 mpbs / 4 usb ports = 120 mpbs, which is pretty decent
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[8:51] <MoziM> or is there a catch to this?
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[9:04] <gordonDrogon> MoziM, no catch in theory, however bear in-mind that USB is half duplex.
[9:04] <gordonDrogon> and there are kernel overheads meaning that in-practice you'll never achieve the full theoretical speeds.
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[9:08] <MoziM> T_T nooooo
[9:09] <mfa298> MoziM: don't forget the onboard ethernet is on that same usb bus
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[9:14] <MoziM> gordonDrogon: so if i were to get this working, connect my laptop to the rpi3, then attempt to watch a youtube video and then tried to upload something to google drive, i would have to wait until the video finished?
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[9:16] <mfa298> MoziM: half-duplex means the bus can either send or recieve data, ethernet is full duplex so packets can go both ways at the same time.
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[9:17] <H4ndy> it just means that both worksd with half the theoretical speeds when doing sending and receiving at the same time
[9:18] <mfa298> so 100mbs ethernet can send data at 100mbps and also recieve at 100mbps simultaneusly, usb would have to send a bit, then recieve a bit, so your fully utilised ethernet would need 200mbps of usb bandwidth
[9:21] <MoziM> mfa298: i thought you meant the usb ports were half-duplex
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[9:22] <MoziM> so to send and receive at the same time, each usb port would get a theoretical 60 mpbs?
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[9:24] <MoziM> wait ... nvm i don't understand at all
[9:24] <mfa298> MoziM: a better way to look at it might be that only one device can send data at a time, so in your setup if pc1 sent data to pc2 each packet traverses the usb bus twice (pc1 -> pi, pi -> pc2). whilst the packet is being send from pc1 to the pi nothing else can send a packet (which might introduce some latency)
[9:24] <MoziM> could you elaborate please?
[9:24] <MoziM> oh...
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[9:26] <MoziM> that doesn't sound too bad at all
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[9:27] <mfa298> but also as the packet from pc1-> pi is travelling nothing can be sent to pc1 either, in a full duplex bus you can talk both ways at the same time.
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[9:28] <mfa298> different way to think of full-duplex and half-duplex is the difference between a phone and a walkie talkie. With a phone both people can talk at the same time (full duplex) but on a walkie talkie you have to wait until the other person has finished (half duplex)
[9:29] <MoziM> interesting, thanks for the explanation
[9:30] <MoziM> i assume the wifi has it's own bus then?
[9:31] <mfa298> wifi is on it's own sdio bus.
[9:31] <MoziM> i see...
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[9:31] <HrdwrBoB> mfa298: well... mostly
[9:31] <MoziM> any recommendations for a board that can be used as an ethernet router?
[9:31] <HrdwrBoB> phones aren't ALWAYS full duplex ;)
[9:32] <mlelstv> but anything a modern person would recognize as a phone probably is :)
[9:33] <mfa298> HrdwrBoB: for the purposes of describing things it's a good analogy (radio also can be full duplex - but what most people understand as a phone and a walkie talkie fit that description)
[9:33] <HrdwrBoB> yeah true
[9:34] <HrdwrBoB> mlelstv: eh, I more mean on the backend
[9:34] <mfa298> MoziM: for learning about things the Pi is a decent platform, but for something useable it mgiht be limited in speed. Also consider whether you want all your usb ports routed (different subnets) or switched (same subnet)
[9:35] <mfa298> MoziM: most home routers are effectively a 2 port router (cable/adsl and ethernet) and 5/6 port switch (4 on the back and 1 or 2 used internally to connect to the rotuer and maybe wifi ap section)
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[9:36] <MoziM> that's what i meant, sorry
[9:36] <MoziM> basically i want to use the pi's ethernet port to receive the connection from the modem
[9:36] <MoziM> and treat the 4 usb ports as switches
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[9:37] <Lartza> MoziM, There are no boards that will make a router as well as a router does, you might aswell buy a router
[9:40] <mfa298> if you want to use the Pi like that you'd be better getting a single usb ethernet port and use the pi as a router then add a cheap switch seperately.
[9:41] <Lartza> And it wouldn't be that practical in real use due to the speeds
[9:41] <mfa298> othersise look at openwrt on a suitable home router (a number of tp link devices are supported by it)
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[9:57] <inch> MoziM: If you buy a switch that can do vlans (v, not w), then you can use any board with a single ethernet port as a router. Just configure one vlan for outside world and another for your own network. I use a Sheevaplug that way. Raspberry pi might be too slow for this, I recommend a board with gigabit ethernet.
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[10:00] <MoziM> yep i have a spare jetson tk1 that could do this
[10:01] <mfa298> inch: internally that's how some (maybe most) home routers work, my tp-link internally has a 6 port switch (wan + 4 lan + cpu), and the cpu is what does the routing (if needed)
[10:01] <mlelstv> pretty wasteful for a tk1
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[10:03] <MoziM> well it's a lot less wasteful than taking down one of my TX1s for this :P
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[10:17] <MoziM> mlelstv any alternative boards you'd recommend?
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[10:25] <mlelstv> dunno, I use an Erlite-3 as router.
[10:25] <mlelstv> that's mips, not arm.
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[10:30] <inch> I think almost any board with gigabit ethernet might be good enough for routing a typical dsl/cable modem connection so the question becomes what else you are going to do with the board.
[10:31] <inch> I have limited experience about the recent boards. I
[10:31] <inch> have tried some older ones at work for some graphical stuff and have been disappointed many times.
[10:32] <mlelstv> even rpi is fast enough for a typical dsl/cable modem.
[10:32] <inch> Raspberry pi was the first one that "just worked".
[10:32] <mlelstv> but you can get 50-100Mbit and beyond in some places, and that's too much.
[10:33] <MoziM> inch: it's not a question of what i want to do with it, but more "can i do this?"
[10:33] <MoziM> :D
[10:34] <Lartza> mlelstv, "some places" try in many many places :P
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[10:35] <Lartza> 100mbps isn't that uncommon anymore in the europe for instance
[10:35] <mlelstv> ha!
[10:36] <Lartza> I don't know how the US is doing though
[10:36] <MoziM> 100 mpbs download?
[10:36] <MoziM> what's the upload like?
[10:36] <Lartza> and Australia has the NBN fiber thingy but not sure how common it is
[10:36] <Lartza> MoziM, 100/10
[10:36] <MoziM> ahh that's nice
[10:36] <Lartza> Used to be 100/5 with cable but fiber does 100/10 now
[10:37] <Lartza> although there were 250/something cables in here too, and now there are 300/20 fiber or something iirc in some places, and then of course gigabit in very few
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[10:38] <MoziM> i don't even know what i'd do with such speeds tbh
[10:39] <Lartza> Watch youtube?
[10:39] <Lartza> or 4K content
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[10:39] <Lartza> 100mbps is fine for full hd :P
[10:39] <MoziM> forgot about 4k content
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[10:39] <Lartza> also maybe if you live alone it's not that big of a deal for a regular user but
[10:40] <Lartza> for a household even an 100mbps can struggle if you have an IPTV box and a laptop and a desktop PC etc etc
[10:40] <Lartza> But yeah all depends on what YOU need ;)
[10:42] * mlelstv doesn't get more than 9/2
[10:42] <Lartza> :(
[10:42] <Lartza> ADSL can do 24/something though
[10:43] <Lartza> But maybe you're too far from the switch then
[10:43] <mlelstv> yes, if you are a few meter away :)
[10:43] <Lartza> well no
[10:43] <mlelstv> I could have maybe 25Mbit VDSL, but only with DSL-Lite
[10:44] <mlelstv> less uplink and no routed ipv6 net.
[10:44] <Lartza> 20-24 has been super common here for ages
[10:44] <Lartza> It's not a few meters
[10:44] <mlelstv> yes, it's a few ten meters :)
[10:44] <Lartza> ADSL2+ Annex M 24/3
[10:45] <mlelstv> we are about a km away.
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[10:45] <Lartza> Yeah it can happen unless in a city not dismissing that
[10:45] <Lartza> :)
[10:45] <Lartza> Even here
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[10:46] <mlelstv> in the city you get 100/25 fiber
[10:46] <mlelstv> but not in this place :)
[10:46] <MoziM> hehe
[10:47] <mlelstv> DSL: Connected : Down Stream : 8976Kbps / Up Stream : 1888Kbps
[10:47] <MoziM> fiber is real expensive to put down
[10:47] <Lartza> I wish I had 25 upload :(
[10:48] <Lartza> At least the 10mbit is true 10mbit so I get 1.25 megabytes at least, usually 1.5 ;)
[10:48] <Lartza> I've even gotten 12 megabytes from the 100 downstream at times
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[12:39] <mattwj2002> google aiy yeah!!!
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[12:48] * mattwj2002 magically teleports galileopy a free google aiy kit :)
[12:49] <mattwj2002> anyone around?
[12:49] <mattwj2002> man it is quiet in here lately
[12:50] <galileopy> hey
[12:50] <galileopy> where's my aiy kit?
[12:50] <galileopy> xD
[12:51] <mattwj2002> hehe
[12:51] <mattwj2002> front door
[12:51] <mattwj2002> :P
[12:51] * gordonDrogon returns.
[12:51] <galileopy> I just found about fixmystreet, I'm looking how to contribute, it's funny how I've been wanting to do something like that for a while already and then I find about someone that have already done it
[12:51] <mattwj2002> seriously guys the google aiy is really good deal imho
[12:52] <mattwj2002> fixmystreet?
[12:52] <mattwj2002> I am irc'ing to you using my google aiy fyi
[12:52] <mattwj2002> :P
[12:52] <galileopy> it's a way to report issues at your local communities and route them to the local authorities so they can fix it
[12:53] <mattwj2002> nice galileopy what countries is that available in?
[12:53] <mattwj2002> I am in the US
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[12:54] <galileopy> It was developed for the UK, and anyone can contribute to add the needed options for their own country
[12:54] <mattwj2002> okay coolness
[12:54] <mattwj2002> we have a lot of problems here
[12:54] <galileopy> It doesn't support spanish or my location so I have to work on both
[12:54] <mattwj2002> so it would be good for US issues!
[12:55] <galileopy> but I guess that for the US is going to be easier, since you have already the site in english, and just need to help write the issue router
[12:55] <Metalsutton> hey guys. I am looking for a guide on hooking up a raspberry pi car media centre. I have a dc/dc voltage buck down unit.
[12:55] <galileopy> or however it works to send it to the proper local authority
[12:56] <galileopy> mysociety is doing a lot of cool stuff, there's alsoa tool to check on congress,
[12:56] <mattwj2002> nice galileopy
[12:57] <mattwj2002> my sociality is falling apart :-s
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[12:58] <galileopy> :(
[12:58] <galileopy> what's wrong?
[12:58] <mattwj2002> galileopy the US congress is trying to take away all of our benefits and no one can get along
[13:00] <galileopy> maybe something like this could work in the states https://www.theyworkforyou.com/
[13:01] <mattwj2002> we definitely need more things like that galileopy
[13:01] <mattwj2002> :)
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[13:01] <mattwj2002> by the way galileopy where about are you in the UK? I was in the UK on business in January
[13:02] <galileopy> maybe we're seeing the birth of distributed governance. I'm in Paraguay, I found that online, reading about software development at wikipedia
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[13:04] <galileopy> I went to the states in July, for the first time ever, it was exciting, and let me assure you that you're lightyears ahead of any failed states, I loved how the people where all very well informed of what the government is doing, and how integrated the community where I stayed was.
[13:04] <galileopy> s/the people where/ the people were/
[13:05] <mattwj2002> galileopy: don't get me wrong I love my country....I just wish things worked better and more importantly we could all get along
[13:05] <mattwj2002> did you find the Google AIY kit yet? :P
[13:05] <galileopy> I went to the front door, and there was only rain, maybe someone took it, you can't leave stuff on the streets here :(
[13:06] <mattwj2002> well teleporting is experimental hehe
[13:06] <mattwj2002> at best ;)
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[13:09] <mattwj2002> galileopy: do you have any rpis?
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[13:10] <galileopy> :) you ask me? I work at a small medical instruments factory mamainstruments.com, and we have them by lots
[13:11] <mattwj2002> hehe :)
[13:11] <mattwj2002> I have a bunch too
[13:11] <mattwj2002> as many as the girlfriend will allow
[13:11] <mattwj2002> hehe
[13:11] <galileopy> we built a production board for the compute module also, we just ran out of budget so we can't yet make them for sale
[13:12] <mattwj2002> bummer man
[13:12] <galileopy> but it's on the plans, I actually want to talk to the boss so I can start a kickstarter campaign on that, because it looks like a lot of people might find it helpful
[13:13] <galileopy> sorry, is mambainstruments.com just in case you checked
[13:14] <mattwj2002> kickstarter might not be a bad idea
[13:14] <mattwj2002> it can get big real quick though!
[13:14] <mattwj2002> depending on the project
[13:15] <ali1234> is that a hair transplant machine?
[13:16] * mattwj2002 magically teleports a google aiy from ali1234 to galileopy
[13:16] <mattwj2002> :P
[13:17] <ali1234> omg it is and the video is super gross
[13:18] <galileopy> https://dl2.pushbulletusercontent.com/vDoZ3Kl9LDqtivNGE0CLp0Q68jrAnNUA/P_20171104_091627.jpg
[13:18] <galileopy> LOL, yes, is intended for surgeons that are interested on the product, sorry for not warning you
[13:18] <galileopy> I forgot about the video
[13:21] <ali1234> heh
[13:21] <ali1234> when they're pulling the follicles out with tweezers :)
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[13:23] <ali1234> galileopy: i think your device is against kickstarter.com rules
[13:24] <ali1234> since it treats an illness or condition, it is not allowed
[13:24] <ali1234> medical devices probably banned on most crowd sourcing latforms, i would expect
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[13:27] <galileopy> no, the device is being sold separately, is just the production board for the rpi compute module that I want to put on kickstarter
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[13:28] <galileopy> There's the machine itself has its own funding
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[13:31] <ali1234> i see. that should be fine, i guess...
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[13:50] <gordonDrogon> anyone here done a kickstarter?
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> my wife backed something recently that was pulled - and she met the people recently who said they pulled it due to the high costs of compulsory use of kickstarters own advertising company (or something like that)
[13:51] <ali1234> i have been involved in one
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[14:08] <mattwj2002> man I wish this google aiy kit would support music
[14:08] <mattwj2002> it would be like 10 times cooler
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[14:26] <red9> If one read from the GPIO port. How many reads per second can be achieved?
[14:27] <ali1234> it depends how you read it
[14:27] <red9> for(;;){ inportb(0x..); }
[14:28] <ali1234> on bare metal?
[14:28] <red9> yeah
[14:28] <ali1234> someone tried that once
[14:28] <red9> does it with x86-PC sometimes to get bitbang done.
[14:29] <ali1234> on the order of 20MHz apparently
[14:30] <ali1234> up to 65MHz on a pi 3
[14:30] <red9> How do you come to the 20 MS/s conclusion?
[14:30] <ali1234> that's writing though
[14:30] <ali1234> someone hooked a scope to the gpio and then toggled it as fast as possible
[14:30] <red9> ah
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[14:31] <red9> How about RPi-1 and RPi-2 ?
[14:31] <ali1234> reading is going to be of a similar speed. but of course, whether the value you read are actually meaningful is a different question... that depends on what you have connected to it etc
[14:31] <ali1234> seems like RPi1 = 20MHz, RPi2 = 40MHz, RPi3 = 60MHz
[14:31] <ali1234> very approximately
[14:31] <red9> (I think the RPi-3 is to expensive as a controller, and to weak for the money)
[14:32] <ali1234> bitbanging at 20MHz is silly anyway
[14:32] <red9> great info, thx
[14:32] <ali1234> you should use SPI for this
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[14:32] <ali1234> that goes up to 125MHz
[14:32] <ali1234> i think it does anyway
[14:33] <red9> SPI will be locked to specific pins and need special programming.
[14:33] <red9> etc..
[14:34] <mattwj2002> hi all :)
[14:34] <red9> I was thinking on measureing a frequency, square wave. And then samples/s will then be essential.
[14:35] <red9> gah.. spelling.
[14:35] <ali1234> not really special... you can just write to the output reg ad read from the input reg
[14:35] <ali1234> but you get 8 bits in one go
[14:35] <red9> purely digital signal. No need for A/D.
[14:36] <ali1234> it's not A/D, it's just a shift register
[14:36] <ali1234> well, two. one in and one out
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> bit-banging will never give you consistent speeds on a Pi.
[14:36] <ali1234> it can if you do bare meal GPU programming :)
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> ok, but how many people can do that?
[14:37] <ali1234> probably about 20
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> so in-general ....
[14:38] <ali1234> in-general, use SPI and the DMA if you need it really fast
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> red9, what's your application?
[14:38] <red9> Was thinking on measuring water presence using a 555 and cpacitive measurement.
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> oh. ok. you can do that on a Pi without the 555.
[14:39] <red9> Expecting the probe to be in the 0-200 pF range.
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> actually, I've read an LDR using a software loop and a capacitor - maybe the water interface is too low.
[14:40] <red9> LDR?
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> light dependant resistor.
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[14:41] <ali1234> tbh, just get a digital sensor on i2c or something
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> it's a software based 1-bit ADC.
[14:41] <red9> ok, so many acronyms with many meanings depending on person .. ;)
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> well, LDR is at least 40 years old me for me.
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> ORP12's etc.
[14:42] <ali1234> apds9960...
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> so when you say "presence" do you mean like car automatic wiper sort of presence, or just a simple level?
[14:43] <red9> Well, water on the floor and read it using capacitance.
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> ali1234, that's slightly (just slightly ;-) more sophisticated than an orp12 ...
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[14:44] <ali1234> don't be fooled by sparkfun price :)
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> stick 2 probes into it and measure resistance..
[14:44] <red9> But I thought I might just go the capacitance route. Since then I will have a general solution.
[14:44] <ali1234> and if you don't need gesture, they are like $2
[14:44] <ali1234> i forget which model is the basic version
[14:44] <red9> sparkrobbery? :p
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[14:45] <red9> what do you mean with gesture?
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[14:46] <red9> I would not bet on the water being conductive enough for reliable conduction path.
[14:46] <ali1234> was for gordon... apds9960 isn't a moisture sensor
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[14:47] <red9> The TTL inputs are kind of not doing well with signals that are really analog to their nature.
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[14:47] <red9> At least I now know I can sample.. really fast. Even x86-PC can't compete.
[14:48] <red9> (problem kind of solved)
[14:48] <ali1234> yes, ARM/SoC alays has much faster GPIO than a PC
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[14:48] <ali1234> my keyboard is really bad today :(
[14:48] <red9> replace it?
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[14:49] <red9> Though there is a 555 PWM mode. might be more reliable to measure perhaps.
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> maybe better off looking for the sensors that the car makers use though.
[14:50] <red9> eliminates the need to keep track of edges.
[14:50] <ali1234> wouldn't those be CAN?
[14:50] <ali1234> you want I2C for pi
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[14:50] <gordonDrogon> I doubt it - I suspect they're tiny little microcontrollers that talk some other bus back to a can controller.
[14:51] <red9> Maybe veroboard + papertowel + salt would work?
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[14:51] <gordonDrogon> however the Pi handles can quite well, AIUI, if somewhat expensively.
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> red9, good innovative solution ...
[14:51] <red9> If it gets wet at all, the salt will do it's thing to provide connection..
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[14:52] <red9> hmm "Salt closed the connection" ;)
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> you might want to look at the arduino soil moisture sensors - I think they just connect directly into the arduino analog inputs.
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> so 2 probes and an analog input...
[14:54] <red9> I'm thinking cheapskate solution now. GPIO -- veroboard+paper+salt -- GND. Set pin to pull-up.
[14:55] <red9> As long as everything is dry. No connection will be made. If there's a problem. Then it should connect good enough and long enough to enable the RPi to send an alarm.
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[14:57] <red9> Btw, how many ohms is required to make undriven (no pullup/pulldown) input to go "0" or "1" ?
[14:59] <ali1234> the internal ones are 50k
[14:59] <red9> Missing the leakage current specification into a input port.
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[15:01] <red9> Thus any input driven with 10k should give reliable reading? say when a optocoupler transistor is in series with resistor as a input.
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[15:11] <learningc> Rasbpian is the default linux distro for raspberry pi?
[15:11] <Habbie> learningc, raspbian as provided by raspberrypi.org, yes
[15:12] <learningc> Any info on how they created Raspbian?
[15:13] <learningc> Is it from a known distro like Ubuntu?
[15:14] <norlevo> debian
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> red9, you need to get the pin from 3.3v down to < 1.1v
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> (approximately)
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[15:19] <learningc> norlevo, Are they modifying the debian distro?
[15:19] <ali1234> barely, if at all
[15:20] <ali1234> the way it works is there's one repo which is a straight port of debian, and then another repo which has foundation/proprietary stuff in it
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[15:22] <mfa298> learningc: it's mostly just re-compiled to be compatible with the Pi1/Pi0 (debian armhf isn't compatible with those)
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[15:22] <kerio> can you run debian mainline on a pi3?
[15:23] <learningc> ali1234, Do they use a builder?
[15:23] <ali1234> kerio: yes
[15:23] <kerio> :o
[15:24] <ali1234> you can run it on a pi zero as well, if you use the armel port
[15:24] <mfa298> kerio: yes, but the process isn't well documented
[15:24] <learningc> The reason I ask is that I'm interested in replicating the process
[15:24] <ali1234> i don't know how they build it. i believe it involves some high powered ARM servers
[15:24] <Lartza> That's how Arch ARM does it at least
[15:25] <kerio> gcc-arm-none-eabi?
[15:25] <ali1234> recompiling an entire distribution the size of debian is not a simple task
[15:25] <kerio> i mean, debian already has to handle a bunch of weird archs
[15:26] <ali1234> kerio: debian has two ARM version, armel and armhf
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[15:26] <kerio> whatevs
[15:26] <mfa298> learningc: you probably don't wan't to re-build all the packages - that's going to be a long process - I think there was a post along the lines on the forum recently and the estimate was weeks or months to rebuild all the packages on a pi3
[15:26] <ali1234> armhf can only run on pi 3, armel runs on stuff even older than the original pi
[15:26] <ali1234> raspbian is optimized to the level of the original pi
[15:28] <mfa298> aiui the pi0/pi1 are slightlf odd in that they're arm6 but have hardware float support (the hf bit). I think most of the arm6 (and older) devices didn't have hard float support so emulate it (which is what the armel version does)
[15:28] <ali1234> debian armhf should run on the pi 2 as well
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> the particular optimisation for the Pi v1 and Zero boards is to enable the floating point ABI which debian doesn't do.
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> so debian armel ran on the v1 initially, but not as fast as it could.
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[15:33] <learningc> mfa298, If I crosscompile on my i7, would it take less than 1 day?
[15:34] <learningc> ali1234, Do you know what builder they use?
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[15:35] <learningc> ali1234, sorry for the question, you already replied and I didn't see
[15:35] <mfa298> learningc: even on an i7 I suspect it'll take many days to recompile everything, and I'm not really sure what the purpose of doing that is
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[15:36] <gordonDrogon> if you want to compile a distro, then Gentoo is for you ...
[15:37] <learningc> gordonDrogon, can that be done fairly easily for the pi?
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[15:38] <void9> hello. I need a cheap (<~10) wi-fi enabled soc with gpio pins. some ideas?
[15:39] <mfa298> learningc: what is the purpose of wanting to rebuild from scratch ?
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[15:39] <dan2wik> void9, the Pi0w?
[15:42] <void9> oh, didn't know there was such a thing. will look into it. thx :)
[15:42] <void9> i just need it as an elegant wi fi solution to remotely reset computers via the reset pins on the mobo
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[15:43] <void9> so can't cost too much, as i need 80 of them
[15:43] <learningc> mfa298, I want to learn of the process and then use the knowledge to build for any random board
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[15:45] <dan2wik> void9, if you don't need a full linux system, you could look into the esp8266, I know you can get them for around $3 each. It won't run linux, its similar to an arduino
[15:45] <mfa298> learningc: then you probably just want to look at boostraping a debian install - using the existing debian binaries. Maybe also look at the process of making/building debian pakages
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[15:46] <void9> dan2wik: i just need it to get a "reset" packet over wi fi and send "reset" to gpio pins
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[15:47] <void9> so it needs usb power, wi fi, gpio, some way to program it
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[15:52] <gordonDrogon> learningc, go look at the gentoo website. it'll take you a couple of weeks to understand it and about a week or so to compile it on the Pi.
[15:53] <learningc> mfa298, But will a debian binary works on any arm processor? I doubt that... What about A8 ?
[15:54] <learningc> gordonDrogon, Have you build gentoo before?
[15:54] <Habbie> https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi has some hints on running plain debian on a pi
[15:55] <mfa298> learningc: debian armhf packages will work on most boards
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> learningc, nope. I've been using Linux for > 20 years and never been interested in building a system from scratch. I use Raspbian on all my Pi's.
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[15:57] <Latrina> my rpi3 gentoo's rootfs is almost complete
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[15:58] <Latrina> it is actually fully up and running, besides few more things to polish up here and there
[15:58] <learningc> Latrina, you followed the guide exactly?
[15:59] <Latrina> what guide?
[15:59] <learningc> Latrina, the gentoo build guide
[15:59] <Latrina> generally speaking but I mostly folled the crossdev guide https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Embedded_Handbook/General/Compiling_with_qemu_user_chroot#Setup_Chroot
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[16:02] <Latrina> actually yesterday I came across this guy https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8091026.html#8091026
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[16:03] <Latrina> his image however follows the exact opposite concept than mine
[16:03] <Latrina> I need no UI, no X nothing
[16:03] <Latrina> all I need is NetworkManager, usbutils and flashrom
[16:04] <Latrina> sudo and vim
[16:04] <Latrina> that's it
[16:04] <Latrina> but I suppose his image would serve a better purpose to someone who would like to use his rpi3 as a desktop sort of
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[16:09] <Latrina> I am actually using his kernel right now
[16:09] <Latrina> until I have time to build mine
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[16:18] <Latrina> I mean you could use the raw wpa_supplicant + dhcpcd if you want to
[16:19] <Latrina> in my opinion I believe NetworkManager is just much more practical when it comes of handling wireless connections
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[16:24] <learningc> Would his Gentoo build faster than the Raspbian build?
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[16:25] <Latrina> his gentooo like mine is a stage4
[16:26] <Latrina> no much is left to build besides running a @world update
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[16:27] <Latrina> which to his you will likely have lots of packages to rebuild since it was last updated 3 months ago and it comes with way too many packages
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[16:27] <Latrina> with mine you won't have any major update since you only get few packages out of the box and was last updated 30 seconds ago
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[16:29] <Latrina> generally speaking I would always advise to crosscompile, especially if you are pulling down a package that has many dependencies
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[16:31] <gordonDrogon> I'd be surprised if gentoo was more than 1% faster than Raspbian, but maybe a newer gcc might save you a cycle or 2, here or there...
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[16:37] <Latrina> raspian is too bloated in my opinion
[16:37] <Latrina> certainly good for a new starter or somebody that just doesn't want to deal with the operating system to begin with
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[16:38] <Latrina> archlinux has never been the distro of choice for me but it is quite speady and bloated free
[16:38] <Latrina> and you have pre compiled packages, which on such a tiny hw it makes a ton of difference
[16:38] <Latrina> but systemd is really not something I appreciate having
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[16:43] <kerio> man, i'm just waiting for freebsd to support brcmfmac
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[16:43] <Latrina> good luck
[16:44] <Latrina> don't get it wrong, I have been using FreeBSD on server for little more than a decade
[16:44] <Latrina> so yeah
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[16:50] <kerio> well i mean
[16:50] <kerio> CURRENT supports sdio now
[16:50] <kerio> so that's a start
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[16:51] <Latrina> yeah I was actually just reading about it
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[16:53] <gordonDrogon> Latrina, start with raspbian-lite and removing systemd is relatively easy.
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> although it's not completely gone, but it gives you the starting point of devuan.
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[16:57] <Latrina> gordonDrogon: I am good with gentoo, I guess
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[16:57] <Latrina> I will soon get a HP proliant to offload the work on it anyways
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[16:58] <gordonDrogon> keep meaning to give freebsd a go on a Pi - I last used it ~20 years ago though.
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure a lot has changed :)
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[17:00] <Latrina> I suppose with -HEAD most will work besides wifi, bluetooth and spi
[17:00] <Latrina> actually I am not sure whether or not SPI is working yet
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[17:02] <kerio> Latrina: we got a gen8 microserver at work
[17:02] <kerio> it's cute ;o
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[17:04] <r0b-> Are there any apps I can run on my Pi connected to a 7" HDMI Display to make it display a fullscreen clock?
[17:05] <r0b-> Trying to create a Pi wall clock
[17:05] <Lorduncan> yes
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[17:05] <Lorduncan> i supose u can use pygame to create some kind of clock
[17:05] <Latrina> kerio: I am looking for a HP ProLiant DL380 G7
[17:06] <Latrina> still waiting to spot a good one on ebay
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[17:08] <r0b-> Well I have to confess this is not on a Pi :( I am unable to connect this VGA only monitor to a pi :(
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[17:16] <Lorduncan> there is adapter to conect hdmi to vga
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> r0b-, I run a clock program I wrote in BASIC on mine.
[17:17] <Lorduncan> 5~6 €
[17:17] <r0b-> Yea well I have an HTPC running Linux thats just sitting so
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[17:17] * ShorTie wonders if the adapter is self powered
[17:18] <Lorduncan> shortie, no, it take power from hdmi 5v
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> my hdmi -> vgs is self powered. works fine.
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> *vga
[17:18] <ShorTie> ya, those don't work most of the time
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[17:18] <gordonDrogon> hm. - what I said self-powered I meant no external PSU - I guess it uses the hdmi's 5v supply.
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[17:18] <ShorTie> not enough juice
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[17:18] <gordonDrogon> it still works fine - or did last time I used it.
[17:19] <Lorduncan> they work for me on rasp pi ... years woking i sell like 50 in my shop and no problems , just one failed
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> there are some now that also provide audio out via 3.5mm socket.
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> I guess these also work fine, else they'd not sell..
[17:19] <Lorduncan> i tryed that ones also, but never used the audio, dont know if works
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-hdmi-to-vga-converter
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> I know those guys do a lot of testing - I'm sure they'd not sell stuff that didn't work.
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[17:21] <Lorduncan> this are the ones i used and selled: https://es.gearbest.com/cables-connectors/pp_608989.html?wid=23&currency=EUR&vip=1045313&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgfOf2aml1wIVygrTCh3GngwUEAQYASABEgI1u_D_BwE
[17:21] <Lorduncan> dont buy at gearbest is a shit and they are fucking liers
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[17:23] <r0b-> gonna check out piclock
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[17:25] <Smeef> I made a blog post on my poorly maintained tech blog about the Tic-Tac thing I made: https://deathonater.wordpress.com/2017/11/04/pi-tac-2-0/
[17:25] <redrabbit> you should get one that is also usb-powered
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> no reason too when there are converters that work well without it.
[17:26] <Smeef> Also, I need a new name of the blog, "deathonater" was my old cringey gamer handle back in the day when cringey gamer handles were fashionable
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[17:26] <gordonDrogon> :)
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> I started using 'drogon' in 1992... look where that got me..
[17:27] <Smeef> Also, if someone wants VGA output on a Pi, I think this might be useful: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/gert-vga-adapter/
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> Smeef, only if you don't need any gpio pins )-:
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[17:28] <tdn> I have enabled audio output for BOTH HDMI and Analog. How do I adjust the volume for the Analog channel? When I run 'amixer' from SSH, it says: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
[17:28] <Smeef> Ah, but Drogon has literary significance, which adds and air of sophistication
[17:29] <Smeef> gordonDrogon: Yeah, fair point :P
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> its just an anagram. the only other one vaguely pronouncable is nodrog which is just backwards.
[17:30] <Smeef> lol
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[17:30] <gordonDrogon> I created it for a MUD which I wrote back then.
[17:30] <Smeef> I thought it was an ASOIAF reference :P
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[17:31] <gordonDrogon> not read/seen that (yet?) but I get a lot of tweets and stuff thinking it's the name of a dragon or something.
[17:32] <learningc> How can I write data to the i2c port? Can I do echo 0x20 > /dev/i2c-0 ?
[17:32] <Smeef> Yeah, I've only ever watched a few of the later seasons, including the most recent one, it's a pretty big dragon
[17:32] <Habbie> learningc, no, i2c needs adressing and stuff
[17:32] <ngc0202> shit man I need to remove you from my highlight regex
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> learningc, well you can, but it might not do what you think it might do.
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> ngc0202, try to keep it family friendly please.
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[17:35] <learningc> Then say I need to send 0x20 0x22 0x88 , 0x20 being the device id and write , 0x22 the address, 0x88 the data, would echo .... > /dev/i2c-0 send it through?
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[17:36] <gordonDrogon> learningc, best to learn one thing at a time. also note that that Pi isn't a microcontroller - the kernel and hardware better support I2C than most microcontrollers.
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> 0x20 - typical address of a gpio expander - e.g. mcp23017..
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> learningc, look at the i2cput command if you want to do it from the command-line.
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> might be i2cset.
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> or of it is an mcp23017 then the gpio command supports it directly.
[17:38] <learningc> gordonDrogon, ok, is this build into raspbian?
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> i2cset is standard. the gpio command is part of wiringpi which is usually shipped with raspbian.
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi is a pin based gpio access library primarily for C and BASIC programs.
[17:39] <Habbie> i2cset is in i2c-tools
[17:39] <Habbie> in case it's not installed
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> also: i2cdetect -y 1
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> is a handy command.
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> (maybe prefixed with sudo)
[17:39] <Habbie> yes it is
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[17:40] <learningc> If I want to do i2c through c library, which one should I use?
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[17:42] <gordonDrogon> you can use wiringPi
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> what device are you talking to?
[17:43] <learningc> a deserialiser
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> got a part number?
[17:44] <learningc> max9272
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[17:45] <learningc> it's paired with companion serializer max9273
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> interestsing.
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[17:47] <ngc0202> learningc: hi
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> wouldn't they typically be driven by the devices generating/sinking the video data rather than a separate computer?
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[17:48] <ngc0202> :|
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[19:12] <jen_> I have a smart TV - I need to play sound from a microphone - would a USB mic work?
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[19:14] <stiv> how do you get the sound to the tv?
[19:14] <jen_> hi stiv - I am thinking of plugging in a USB mic directly to the TV…
[19:15] <jen_> obviously, if I use RP, that is interfaced to the tv via HDMI that would work
[19:15] <jen_> the tv has internal speakers that would be loud enough.
[19:16] <jen_> Here is our scenario. We have a person talking in one room and sound needs to project in. another room, which has a smart TV in it.
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[19:16] <stiv> so you want to get the sound into your pi
[19:16] <jen_> i don’t have a pi
[19:17] <jen_> just trying to see if i can. plug a usb mic directly to the tv would work.
[19:17] <stiv> bummer! does your tv support playing audio from it's usb?
[19:17] * stiv suspects not
[19:18] <jen_> not sure..but I guess I may need to go out and get.a usb mic and test???
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[19:19] <stiv> or find the button on your tv that says USB Audio
[19:20] <jen_> ok, i can do that
[19:20] <stiv> not an expert, but the media players i've seen treat the usb as files to play
[19:21] <jen_> right..that’s how we used them with a flash drive
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[19:22] <ball> A television would be looking for a USB mass storage device, almost certainly not a microphone.
[19:22] <stiv> the usb mic -> rpi -> hdmi on tv scenario sounds doable
[19:22] * stiv recommends getting a pi simply because they are so darn much fun
[19:22] <jen_> very new to pi…
[19:23] <jen_> we can use py, C, bash to run it?
[19:23] <ball> I'll second stiv's recommendation.
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[19:23] <stiv> jen_, sure. the pi is basically a tiny linux computer that you can connect things to
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[19:24] <ball> (Linux or BSD ;-)
[19:25] <ball> (or RiscOS, perhaps, or embedded Windows something-or-other)
[19:25] <stiv> heh heh. let's not lose the plot
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[19:26] <ball> /me waits patiently for a CP/M-ARM port
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[19:27] <stiv> does embedded windows get used much. microsoft was pushing it for the Internet of Annoying Stuff for a while
[19:28] <stiv> cp/m would likely be quite zippy and fun
[19:29] <mlelstv> you can easily run cp/m on an emulated z80
[19:30] <mlelstv> just slow it down enough to be useful :)
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[19:30] <ball> The Pi could probably emulate something for CP/M-68k, come to think of it.
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[21:18] <Lorduncan> Hello all :)
[21:18] <Lorduncan> Im trying to do a PhotoBooth with a raspberry, pi camera, some buttons, leds and a web server to give a 2018 Calendar with an integrated personal picture.
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[21:20] <Lorduncan> My first idea and "manuals" about the thing i found are kinda old, like 2011 and stuff... they use pygame . My question is:
[21:20] <Lorduncan> Is the best option to do this project with pygame or there are new better and more easy ways to do my thing?
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[21:41] <palmtree> When trying to ping 8.8.8.8 I got From 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=3
[21:41] <palmtree> Destination Net Unreachable, why?
[21:43] <mlelstv> 192.168.1.1 doesn't know where 8.8.8.8 is and tells you
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[21:45] <palmtree> mlelstv: yeah but why? I'm using it via ssh on the local network, but it's not actually connected to internet.. does it have to do with the DHCP configuration?
[21:45] <palmtree>
[21:45] <palmtree>
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[21:46] <mlelstv> if it is not connected to the internet, it has a good reason not to know where 8.8.8.8 is :)
[21:46] <mlelstv> but I would guess 192.168.1.1 is your router, is it?
[21:47] <palmtree> mlelstv: yeah obviously, but I want it to be connected to internet..
[21:47] <mlelstv> the router?
[21:48] <palmtree> no, the RPi, I thought that it was connected to internet but seems not, just works on the local network
[21:49] <palmtree> yes it's the router address, maybe I should config something on it?
[21:49] <mlelstv> but 192.168.1.1 is your router, and that one is complaining, not the rpi.
[21:49] <mlelstv> does the router work for anything else?
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[21:50] <palmtree> mlelstv: yes, for my pc
[21:50] <mlelstv> where do pc and rpi get their ip adresses from?
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[21:52] <mlelstv> both use something like 192.168.1.x ?
[21:52] <palmtree> from the gateway I suppose 192.168.1.254
[21:52] <palmtree> mlelstv: yes they use similar address
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[21:54] <mlelstv> weird router
[21:54] <palmtree> yeah.. exactly :)
[21:54] <palmtree> it's a similar problem like this one https://askubuntu.com/questions/348098/how-can-i-give-internet-access-to-local-network-via-dhcp-gateway-server
[21:55] <mlelstv> why did you ask about dhcp? did you configure anything for your pc or the rpi?
[21:55] <palmtree> but I didn't understand how they solved it
[21:56] <mlelstv> that describes a setup where the PC acts as a router itself.
[21:57] <mlelstv> normally you would have one router and connect some number of devices to it.
[21:58] <mlelstv> this here describes a PC that is the only device connected to the router, and you have a LAN connected to a second interface of the PC.
[21:58] <darsie> What's the MTBF or so for a pi?
[21:58] <palmtree> oke, then someone suggested me now to set the gateway on another address, how can I do so?
[21:58] <mlelstv> darsie, in what hands? :)
[21:58] <darsie> mlelstv: In a box, continuous operation.
[21:59] <darsie> 100% cpu on one core, so about 65 C.
[21:59] <mlelstv> palmtree, first let clarify your setup. Is it like I assumed (router + some devices) or like the article describes ?
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[22:00] <palmtree> mlelstv: yes it's router + some devices
[22:00] <mlelstv> darsie, there is no MTBF published, but I would guess about 10 years.
[22:00] <darsie> thx
[22:01] <mlelstv> so buy a million rpis and do a test to verify :)
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[22:01] <darsie> ok :)
[22:01] <darsie> bbl
[22:01] <darsie> ;)
[22:01] <mlelstv> palmtree, can you check the network settings of pc and rpi ? address, netmask, broadcast and default route.
[22:02] <palmtree> mlelstv: you mean ifconfig
[22:02] <mlelstv> yes
[22:02] <mlelstv> and route
[22:02] <Smeef> I just set up my Pi to act as a Wi-Fi AP. It's getting internet through eth0, and I'd like to share eth0's internet with any device connected to the Wi-Fi hotspot. Most of the tutorials I'm finding are for sharing internet in reverse, from wlan0 to eth0. I tried following one of the tutorials and just swapping the interfaces wherever they were found, but it still doesn't seem to work.
[22:03] <mlelstv> smeef, what is "eth0's internet" ?
[22:03] <GrandPa-G> Smeef:Isn't that making the pi a router?
[22:03] <Smeef> Anyone have a link to a tutorial that shows how to share internet from the Ethernet to Wi-Fi?
[22:03] <Smeef> GrandPa-G: Yes
[22:04] <Smeef> mlelstv: It's an Ethernet cable from the router plugged into the Pi's Ethernet port.
[22:04] <GrandPa-G> Smeef:it only took me 1ms to google for solution
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[22:04] <Smeef> GrandPa-G: You should have auditioned for the new Justice League movie
[22:04] <mlelstv> smeef, this is for routing a subnet or do you want to nat ?
[22:05] <Smeef> mlelstv: NAT
[22:05] <GrandPa-G> Smeef:sorry your comment was lost on me. Just wanted you to know to forget hot-spot and google for router solutions
[22:05] <mlelstv> http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/nat.html
[22:06] <Smeef> The Ethernet's interface IP is on 10.0.0.x, and the Wi-Fi AP's network is 192.168.0.x
[22:06] <Smeef> GrandPa-G: Ah, thanks. My comment was that 1ms was superhumanly fast, lol
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[22:18] <palmtree> given that I can configure wpa_supplicant directly on /boot can I do the same for the /etc/network/interfaces file?
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[22:21] <mfa298> palmtree: I dont think so, and in almost all cases you shouldn't edit /e/n/interfaces - it's not been the way to do things for a while
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[22:24] <palmtree> mfa298: I was trying to configure manually the gateway that's why
[22:25] <mfa298> palmtree: if you're getting the address from dhcp then that should be handing out the gateway as well, if that's not happening then you probably have some bigger issue to solve.
[22:26] <palmtree> mfa298: it's because I can connect it to the local network but it doesn't connect to internet that's why
[22:28] <mfa298> if you're getting a valid IP and no router from dhcp then there's somethign else wrong you should go and fix.
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[22:29] <palmtree> don't know, it's strange
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[22:34] <mfa298> palmtree: as I think someone suggested earlier you probably want to find out what your pc and pi currenty have as addresses and router setup, maybe stick it on pastebin (or similar) if you want someone else to have a look.
[22:35] <mfa298> it might also help to do some basic diagram of how stuff is connected
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[22:53] <emaczen> How can I determine if the raspbian version on my PI is a PIXEL version?
[22:53] <emaczen> cat /etc/os-release tells me that I am running Raspbian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
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[22:57] <H4ndy> PIXEL is just a desktop manager afaik
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[23:07] <emaczen> H4ndy: I messed up my SD card and need to reformat it
[23:08] <emaczen> Can I use dd for this?
[23:08] <emaczen> Does raspberrypi provide .iso images?
[23:09] <emaczen> I'm just going to install noobs
[23:10] <mfa298> there are raspbian images you can dd onto the sd card
[23:11] <emaczen> mfa298: what is contained in the zip file? from the official raspberry pi website?
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[23:12] <emaczen> I don't have good bandwidth or else I wouldn't be asking
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[23:16] <mfa298> it's an img file you can dd onto the sd card
[23:17] <palmtree> emaczen: use etcher, it's easier
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[23:18] <emaczen> What I usuallly do is dd a Ubuntu or Fedora .iso onto a flash drive and then plug it into a computer and it is cake
[23:18] <emaczen> Will it be that easy with raspbian?
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[23:18] <mfa298> if anything it's easier
[23:18] <palmtree> emaczen: yes, it's not different
[23:18] <emaczen> cool, I'll do that
[23:19] <palmtree> btw I doing it right now
[23:19] <mfa298> the img is a pre built os image rather than an iso you install from
[23:20] <palmtree> and given that I do not have a monitor and keyboard I put a file ssh and wpa_supplicant.conf in the /boot so that it connects to the network on startup... but seems I'm missing something
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[23:23] <GenteelBen> Greetings, my fellow raspists.
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[23:25] <palmtree> ah! how to remove the login at startup without monitor?
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[23:25] <NecessaryEvil> Heh raspists. Better not forget the first s.
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[23:27] <palmtree> is it possible that it doesn't connect to wifi because it needs to login first?
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[23:28] <mfa298> palmtree: I thought you were sshing into the Pi earlier, which would suggest it's on the network
[23:29] <donald> Hello. I want to setup a server on a raspberry wich has already been used. Sadly I realize the old user has installed mariadb when I installed mysql. I want to install phpmyadmin too. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f9a7576f/ What would you loke to do if you were in my situation?
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[23:30] <palmtree> mfa298: yeah but then I had to reconfigure the networks file and so I decided to reinstall the OS on it, because now I do not have a monitor with me.
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[23:51] <r3> donald: I would wipe it and start over
[23:52] <donald> r3: do you mean reinstall all the raspberry?
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[23:54] <mfa298> donald: assuming you don't need what the old user did then re-install gets you back to a clean starting point
[23:54] <mfa298> also mariadb is effectively the same as mysql (it's a community driven fork rather than Oracle)
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[23:55] <mfa298> also I think there's some differences in how it works on the latest raspbian so check you're using up to date documentation
[23:56] <donald> mfa298 can I use mariadb with phpmyadmin?
[23:57] <mfa298> you should be able to, for the most part mysql, mariadb (and percona) are the same thing
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[23:58] <mfa298> I don't have any recent experience of phpmyadmin though, I've not used it for ages (probably a decade), it's a security risk I don't need (I'm happy with the command line)

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