#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-11-12

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[0:02] <Dr_Willis> She says its too heavy. :) plus it cant play candy crush.. yet...
[0:03] <Dr_Willis> she took the shield tv after her kodi-pi machine crashed, then she realized how much faster it is than her old pi, she did not want the pi back.
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[0:04] <Stealthblackbird> does she realize you can get kodi on your phone?
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[0:07] <Dr_Willis> she cant really stand kodi on a tablet, just too awkward. i also rarely use kodi on the tablet.
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[0:08] <Dr_Willis> i just use vlc to get to the shares on the network normally.
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[0:10] <Stealthblackbird> oh
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[0:30] <Biganon> Hello ; is the Pi model B able to power an external harddrive that's supposed to be powered through USB ?
[0:31] <Dr_Willis> i have found it depends on the external HD. and getting a GOOD quality power supply for the PI.
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[0:31] <mfa298> that would potentaill depend on which model of pi you mean, there's three (or four/five) variations on the model B
[0:31] <Dr_Willis> Also i recall some config.txt option to up the power on the ports.
[0:32] <Dr_Willis> So there is a lot of variables.
[0:32] <oq> think only the very first pis had those crappy fuses on the usb ports
[0:32] <Dr_Willis> https://www.hackster.io/idreams/boost-usb-current-in-raspberry-pi-a1531d
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[0:32] <Dr_Willis> for the power boost info.
[0:33] <Biganon> thanks
[0:33] <mfa298> Pi2 (and possibly 1B+) also limit the current (but not with fuses and it's switchable)
[0:33] <ttgg> Can an Ubuntu Mate install for Raspberry Pi 2 Model B, work as a swap in micro-SD without modification, to boot a Raspberry Pi 3?
[0:33] <Dr_Willis> I have some old Pi's but i think they are pi2b. I forget now, its a pi-hole server. :)
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[0:34] <mfa298> Biganon: you should probably state which of the many pi B versions you mean
[0:34] <Biganon> Raspberry Pi Model B Rev 1
[0:34] <Biganon> according to /proc/device-tree/model
[0:35] <mfa298> How many USB ports?
[0:35] <filadome> how much voltage does the R.Pi 3 need? i was getting the lightning bolt for 5.5 and under
[0:35] <Biganon> mfa298: 2
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[0:35] <noregret> does smoke mean the device is completely dead or is there a change that it might work?
[0:35] <noregret> xD
[0:36] <mfa298> Biganon: that might be one that had the polyfuses on USB so it might struggle to power anything on the usb port
[0:37] <Biganon> crap
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[0:38] <mfa298> "Raspberry Pi Model B Rev 1" is one of the very early models (probably 256MB ram and no mounting holes), even the slightly later ones (512MB ram) report as "Raspberry Pi Model B Rev 2"
[0:39] <mfa298> filadome: it should be 5v, from a good supply (i.e. one that can suply the required current), a bad supply might go from 5.5v with nothing connected down to 4v as the pi tries to boot which will give issues
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[0:45] <Biganon> mfa298: would it help if I used a hub like this : https://www.interdiscount.ch/medias/sys_master/ID/I_936356.jpg ?
[0:46] <mfa298> Biganon: powered hub (one that's plugged into the mains) should work
[0:48] <Biganon> thank you, I have one last question
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[0:49] <Biganon> I currently use a power supply for my pi that is labeled "5.0V, 1.0A". Is that weak, and could that explain why it's hard for my pi to deliver good quality sound without "clicking" noises ?
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[0:51] <mfa298> Biganon: for the original Pi that's probably a decent power supply, they had something like a 1A polyfuse on the input (newer pi's have higher values)
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[0:54] <mfa298> slicking on sound could be a lack of cpu power or various other things, I don't think the pi's re known for having particularly great audio due to how it's done, and original pi's might have been worse than more recent models
[0:54] <mfa298> you might want to consider getting a more recent Pi, they'll be much faster than the original
[0:55] <Biganon> I actually have a pi 3 model b too
[0:55] <Biganon> gonna try with this one
[0:56] <Biganon> wow, for this one they recommend 2.5A
[0:56] <Dr_Willis> I think all my 'good' supplies are 2.5A, not sure if i have any higher. ;)
[0:57] <Dr_Willis> it seems that power supplies, and sd card issues are like the top 5 pi
[0:57] <Dr_Willis> 'problems' that i see all the time.
[0:57] <Dr_Willis> well in the top 5 . ;)
[0:58] <mfa298> with my Pi3's I've not had any issues with sandisk cards and the official PSU
[0:59] <Dr_Willis> it pays to spend the extra $ for the better brands.
[0:59] <Dr_Willis> The wife keeps takeing my Pi PSU's for her phone because they work 'better' then her phones charger.
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[1:00] <mfa298> yep, especially with the time saved trying to determien what the issue is when you dont use good stuff (although I've got a PoE splitter on the list of things to try with the Pi3 soon)
[1:01] <Dr_Willis> Ok. Odd ssh issue, i have 2 pis, both running rasbian stretch 9.1, one is a new install, other has been updated over the last month or so. - the 'new' install pi, can not ssh to my server, while the old pi can.
[1:01] <Dr_Willis> they can ssh to each other also no hassles.
[1:01] <Dr_Willis> and the server can ssh to both of them.
[1:02] <Dr_Willis> the only error i get is..
[1:02] <Dr_Willis> ssh willis@192.168.10.160
[1:02] <Dr_Willis> ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer
[1:03] <mfa298> that almost sounds like a firewall / tcpwrappers issue
[1:03] <mfa298> or user keys (if you're setup to use them instead of passwords)
[1:06] <Dr_Willis> was trying to get keys working, but hitting this weirdness.
[1:06] <Dr_Willis> and why would it only affect one pi. none of the other pcs have the issue
[1:06] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. that one pi IS the only one on wireless...
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[1:08] <mfa298> some wifi points will stop connections between things on wifi, although that tends to be an enterprise feature not a home wifi issue
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[1:10] <Dr_Willis> well with wired - it works. i Think it may be that pi was on the 'guest' wifi connection. which aparently blocks something. but still it made no sence.
[1:11] <Dr_Willis> the fun days, when you need to draw out a map of your home network to figure out things..
[1:13] <mfa298> I think guest wifi often works like that so it ony gives internt access not access to other local systems as a security thing
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[1:16] <[Saint]> Dr_Willis: that's absolutely expected behavior for the majority of user market routers.
[1:17] <[Saint]> Gues wireless almost always has AP restriction set up so it can't leak to the rest of the network.
[1:17] <[Saint]> You use Guest specifically when you _want_ that to happen.
[1:17] <Dr_Willis> but it could ssh to the other wired machines, just not this one.
[1:17] <[Saint]> It's for untrusted devices that can't cross AP/LAN boundaries.
[1:18] <[Saint]> I...hmmm. OK, that's something else entirely then.
[1:18] <Dr_Willis> but i am juggling 4 pis and had ssh connections and terminals all open and ssh connections nested trying to get a rom over to a pi3 ;)
[1:18] <Dr_Willis> disconnecting and rebooting each one by one, will see if they get saner later.
[1:18] <Deese4> I use SSH and VNC over Wifi with my rpi3, no issues.
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[1:19] <Dr_Willis> i just noticed that make .183 is so slow its unuseable. the gui is so laggy its near impossible to use. Guess its not pi optmized like some other emulators?
[1:19] <Dr_Willis> oops.. mame .183
[1:20] <[Saint]> I was gonna say....make with 183 threads would bring most things to its knees.
[1:21] <Dr_Willis> had my roms in the make/roms directory by mistake earlier. :)
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[1:22] <filadome> mfa298, i connected it to a bench power supply at exactly 5 volts and got a lightning bolt idicator
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[1:27] <mfa298> filadome: that could be a sign of not very good cables.
[1:27] <filadome> i turned it up to 5.7 volts and it worked fine
[1:28] <filadome> let me see if i can find a better micro
[1:29] <mfa298> if that's really 5.7v then it could do damage to the pi, otherwise it could mean your bench supply and/or meter is faulty
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[1:33] <filadome> the supply is a bench power supply and is accurate
[1:34] <filadome> i think a few 1/10th of a volt were wasted as heat in the cheap cable
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[2:13] <muffe> Hey, is there any way to programatically identify what pi camera is connected? I'd like to find out if the connected camera is v1 or v2, and if it's a NoIR camera or not
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[2:14] <muffe> I found a kinda crappy way to differenciate between v1 and v2, but not between NoIR and the standard camera
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[2:17] <ShorTie> that is easy
[2:17] <ShorTie> is the pictures brownish ??
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[2:18] <muffe> programmatically, not visually
[2:18] <muffe> I'd rather not write something that compares pixels to colors
[2:19] <ShorTie> is not any way, it's just a filter in front of the lease
[2:20] <muffe> Hmmm
[2:20] <ShorTie> the only way is by is it brownish or not
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[2:21] <ShorTie> or try a tv remote at it and see if you can see it in the picture
[2:21] <muffe> So the components and board is just excactly the same? That kinda sucks
[2:21] <ShorTie> might be physically printed on it, been awhile
[2:21] <muffe> well, sucks in my case at least, the camera is awesome
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[2:22] <muffe> Well, thanks anyway. I'll hang out here a while and see if anyone else has some information on it. I'll try to see if I can come up with a solution myself
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[2:34] <Deese4> @muffe You will probably have better luck in the raspberry pi forums on the website. I would have thought there was metadata you could get from the image.
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[2:48] <ShorTie> they give you a piece of the blue filter in the no-ir box to turn it into a regular 1
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[8:31] <MrCrackPotBuilde> Is it possible to attach a 50 pin 8inch lcd display to a raspberry pi
[8:32] <MrCrackPotBuilde> http://www.displaytechnology.co.uk/assets/product_files/ch-01-011.pdf
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[8:32] <MrCrackPotBuilde> i think this is the lcd display pin layout
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[8:56] <MrCrackPotBuilde> https://www.olimex.com/Products/Retired/A13-LCD10TS/resources/F101TT50_1_release.pdf
[8:57] <MrCrackPotBuilde> here would be a more acurate but looking at it i dont think its possible :(
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[8:57] <[Saint]> last time I checked, 50 didn't divide into 40 cleanly.
[8:58] <[Saint]> I mean, I can run the numbers again...
[8:58] <MrCrackPotBuilde> raspberry pi 3 has 40
[8:58] <MrCrackPotBuilde> i was thinking a lot of the wires i could miss out
[8:58] <[Saint]> everything from 2 up does.
[8:58] <MrCrackPotBuilde> got to be a fair few i dont need
[8:59] <[Saint]> I think even the B+ has the 40 pin header, no?
[8:59] <MrCrackPotBuilde> no 15
[9:00] <[Saint]> 26, and 14 on an unpopulated header.
[9:01] <[Saint]> source: just checked
[9:01] <MrCrackPotBuilde> could i not use a combination of the 15 display pins and some gpio pins
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[12:16] <OY1R> Good morning
[12:17] <OY1R> is it possible to setup my wifi password on the pi sd card?
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[12:36] <noregret> is anyone using these https://goo.gl/ZhEhPV ?
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[13:06] <H4ndy> OY1R: yes, you can edit wpa_supplicant config file
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[13:38] <GrandPa-G> when you clean install stretch, does it auto expand the partition and if so to what size?
[13:40] <ShorTie> the latest image ??
[13:40] <ShorTie> it resizes to the whole sdcard on 1st boot
[13:41] <ShorTie> which can be over riden, or just not happen
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[13:45] <GrandPa-G> too many choices. How do I make it so it will only be x gb partition? I don't want the whole card used.
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[13:46] <ShorTie> be easiest to just do it yourself manually
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[13:47] <ShorTie> it's not hard
[13:49] <ShorTie> sudo fdisk /dev/mmcblk0, p, d, 2, n, enter, enter, enter, enter, w, sudo reboot, sudo resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2
[13:49] <ShorTie> and change the "enter" that defines the end of the partition
[13:50] <ShorTie> most likely the last
[13:50] <ShorTie> just use like +8G, or what ever you like
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[13:51] <GrandPa-G> doesn't that just turncate the parition? you loose the end?
[13:51] <ShorTie> not sure what you mean
[13:52] <ShorTie> it expands it
[13:54] <GrandPa-G> I thought you implied the install automatically expanded the partition size to full sd card. If it doesn't, then no problem. I know how to make it bigger.
[13:55] <ShorTie> no, the install does not
[13:55] <ShorTie> the 1st boot does
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[13:59] <GrandPa-G> so I have time after the install to resize as desired? Am I getting sequence correct?
[14:00] <ShorTie> time ??
[14:01] <ShorTie> not really, it's run the script or not on 1st boot
[14:01] <GrandPa-G> thanks
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[14:02] <ShorTie> by editing or not editing cmdline.txt before 1st boot
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[14:08] <gordonDrogon> if re-parittioning, you need to DD the image to the card, then eject/insert the card into your (Linux) PC, then re-partition, then boot the card in a Pi.
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> or do the edit file thing after the initial dd to the card - (eject/re-insert card to get linux to recognise the new parition table after the dd)
[14:09] <ShorTie> that does not get rid of the script, so it will still take over the whole sdcard
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> no - it takes over the whole of the first parition.
[14:10] <ShorTie> 2nd partition
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> ok, 2nd.
[14:10] <ShorTie> does not mess with /boot
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> I meant the first linux parittion.
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[14:14] <DJDan> how do i get usb over ip working on the RPI3? usbip list -l lists all the devices, but how do i actually get it to startup
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> well - from the "learn something new every day" thing; http://usbip.sourceforge.net/
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> I guess it was just a matter of time :)
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> I guess we've had iSCSI for a while, so why not - can't help you, sorry.
[14:23] <DJDan> gordonDrogon: yes ive already been there. just having a problem actually binding it properly and then connecting via windows to it
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[14:26] <gordonDrogon> think I'll stick with physically moving a usb device for now, myself... Living in my stone-age home that I do...
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> it was quite interesting visiting a friend who had several of those amazon things and various other things to talk between the amazon thing and other things like lights, tv, hi-fi and other things.
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> alexa, open the pod bay doors ...
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[14:29] <DJDan> usbip bind -b 1-1.4 is meant to work after doing sudo usbipd -D but doesnt :(
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[14:43] <GrandPa-G> just started install of stretch. Is the lightning bolt the symbol for stretch?
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[14:57] <SirLagz> GrandPa-G: lightning bolt means the Pi is underpowered
[14:58] <GrandPa-G> SirLagz:This is a big yellow one not on the top bar. It is new on stretch, same power on jessie and no bolt.
[14:58] <SirLagz> GrandPa-G: big yellow one?
[15:00] <SirLagz> GrandPa-G: https://i.stack.imgur.com/jmloz.jpg <-- looks like that?
[15:00] <GrandPa-G> SirLagz:about 2/3 size of top menu bar just under the time. Stays on when screen sleeps.
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[15:00] <GrandPa-G> SirLagz:looks like your image
[15:00] <SirLagz> GrandPa-G: lightning bolt means the Pi is underpowered
[15:01] <GrandPa-G> SirLagz:I wonder why today it is underpowered and never before. The mysteries of electrons. thanks
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> newer kernel doing more "stuff"
[15:01] <SirLagz> GrandPa-G: maybe the cable is slightly loose? maybe it's slightly hotter? maybe what gordonDrogon said. No problems
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[15:03] <GrandPa-G> put jessie back. No bolt, but little rainbow square. Same meaning?
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[15:05] <gordonDrogon> very old kernel.
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[15:05] <gordonDrogon> I have jessie with lightening bolt icon.
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> actually, probably not the kernel but the GPU core code. bootloader.bin an all that.
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[15:09] <GrandPa-G> I actually have a "non-standard" psu on this pi. Just lazy to get a better one. Just a test pi.
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> if it works... I have a Pi with the 7" display with a near permenent lightning bolt ..
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> one day I'll buy a new PSU - but that was a Pi-compatible PSU from Pimoroni too - in the days before 2.5A was the new ..
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[15:46] <red9> Are the Raspberry 26-pin header GPIO 5 volt tolerant?
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[15:48] <ali1234> no
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[16:06] <gordonDrogon> red9, also no.
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is a 3.3v device. The GPIO supplies 5v for devices that need it, but if you send a 5v signal into a Pi, it's bye bye raspberry pi time.
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[17:50] <GrandPa-G> is there any difference in installing stretch on a rpi3 and then copying image to rpi2 verus installing on rpi2 and then copying image to rpi3?
[17:51] <GrandPa-G> rpi2 is model b no earlier than version 1.1 (on the board)
[17:51] <[Saint]> No.
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[18:03] <gordonDrogon> copying the image will result in the same ssh keys, but that may not be an issue and you can regenerate them anyway.
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[18:23] <akk> Anybody do automotive projects? We're thinking about getting a Volt, and I'm wondering how accessible the data is to something like a Pi.
[18:24] <akk> I have a bluetooth OBD-II connector I've used with older cars but I'm hoping there's something less clunky.
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[18:32] <Kryczek> I am curious about OBD-II connectors too but all the wireless ones seem to be insecure like Bluetooth with 0000 PIN code or open Wi-Fi
[18:33] <akk> I gave up on trying to do anything interesting with the OBD-II, because the connector wouldn't stay connected when the car was running.
[18:34] <akk> And it was this big clunky thing in the driver's leg area.
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> I wish I could go back to cars with carburettors.
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> cars have too many computers in them now )-:
[18:34] <akk> I use it now when I need to decode a CEL error but not otherwise.
[18:34] <akk> yeah, I hear you, gordonDrogon
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[18:35] <akk> though I do like fuel injection
[18:35] <Kryczek> akk: one with a cord, or?
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> but then I do enjoy driving my german tank at times.
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[18:35] <akk> Kryczek: A bluetooth one. Possibly one with a cord would have stayed connected better (it would be lighter)
[18:35] <akk> but then I think I would have kept pulling the cord out every time I got into the car, since it would have been right where my left leg goes.
[18:35] <Kryczek> akk: do you know the name of it? I didn't think they were that big but maybe I overlooked the dimensions :)
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> the computer in my last car could change gears better than I could - or at least get better fuel economy when it changed the gears than when I did.
[18:36] <akk> Kryczek: It was a fairly generic one, but all the ones I looked at were about the same size.
[18:36] <akk> My cars so far have all been stick shift, so a computer can't change gears. :)
[18:36] <Kryczek> akk: left left while sitting on the left, or? My OBD-II port is on the right, and I am driving on the right heh
[18:37] <akk> Kryczek: Yes, it's on the left on a left-hand-drive car. I think on both the cars I tried it on.
[18:37] <Kryczek> ah maybe it's standard to have it near the driving wheel, for mechanics or something
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[18:37] <akk> Kryczek: It looks about like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-BAFX-ELM327-Bluetooth-OBD-2-CAN-V1-5-Scan-Tool-Android-OBD-Reader-Scanner/251488093341
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[18:38] <Kryczek> thanks :) ah yes a longer one than the ones I had in mind
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> I've never looked for the obd port on any cat I've had.
[18:39] <Kryczek> I've never seen a cat with an obd2 port
[18:39] <Kryczek> :D
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> current tank is manual gearbox, last one had a dsg flappy paddle thing.
[18:40] <akk> Reading about OnStar is not giving me warm fuzzies. :( But I guess all new cars are privacy-invacing GPS tracking abominations.
[18:41] <Kryczek> akk: does it help to find your car if it gets stolen?
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> aren't most of those tracker/help things subscription anyway? ie. someone has to pay for the data sim in the modem..
[18:41] <akk> Kryczek: According to the wikipedia article, the free-for-5-years service lets GM track you but doesn't find stolen cars
[18:42] <akk> and you have to pay $25/mo to get the level of service where it will find a stolen car.
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> that.... sucks.
[18:42] <akk> (that's just wikipedia, may not be accurate)
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> however I'm sure they'll supply the data location, speed, direction, etc. to the insurance company on request though...
[18:43] <akk> yeah
[18:43] <Kryczek> imagine being the GM employee on the phone telling a person who's just had their car stolen, that you cannot help because they did not take the $25/mo subscription... I couldn't live with myself
[18:43] <akk> yeah, I was thinking that too.
[18:44] <akk> Especially considering OnStar probably makes it easier to steal (wirelessly unlock the car through a phone app ...)
[18:44] <Kryczek> my BMW lets you know its location but only if you ask while being near enough, like, the same city or so
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> that's the stuff that I'm very wary off ...
[18:45] <Kryczek> I hope that's just a limitation on the user side to counter hacks, and that upon request from the police or insurance they can get the location regardless
[18:45] <akk> The dealer showed me their phone app ("free for the first 3 years") so I'm wondering what I can do myself, with open source.
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> my BMW is 9 years old - doesn't have any of that modern stuff - not even a usb socket.
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> still.. I have somewhere to play my old CDs though :)
[18:46] <akk> Kryczek: the wikipedia page says they save data and will give it to law enforcement, but after public outcry they agreed not to save data from unsubscribed users.
[18:47] <Kryczek> I don't understand the "public outcry" in this case
[18:47] <akk> gordonDrogon: Two things I'm looking forward to: USB socket that can actually charge a phone, unlike the cigarette lighter adapters; and being able to play podcasts from my phone without needing earbuds.
[18:47] <akk> Kryczek: Public outcry over "You're tracking me and storing my data without my consent."
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> well - I'm not a podcasty person, but the lighter sockets charge my phone OK.
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> wifeys newer car has usb sockets.
[18:48] <akk> (which is true for subscribed users too, but at least they could argue that subscribing is a form of consent.)
[18:48] <Kryczek> akk: that's fine, but then GM could have made it just a checkbox, not a $25/mo difference :)
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> (that charge and integrate audio, phone, etc.)
[18:48] <akk> gordonDrogon: My phone always says "Warning, charging at a very low rate" with the cig lighter adapters.
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> I think you need a better adapter.
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> you can usually pull 8 amps @ 12v out of those sockets...
[18:48] <akk> Yeah, these are just cheap adaptors, mostly freebies from conferences. :)
[18:49] <Kryczek> akk: that shouldn't be the case, the cigarette lighter port can supply a lot of current... Maybe try a different adapter?
[18:49] <Kryczek> does it say what amperage it gives?
[18:49] <Kryczek> the adapter I mean
[18:49] <akk> Cig lighter plugs suck anyway, though, nothing ever stays plugged into them.
[18:49] <Blubberbub> i just heard from someone having such an adaptor meld into the cigarette lighter port...
[18:49] <Kryczek> my original freebie was 1000mA but I bought a dual port 2000mA
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> there's the trick that some phones use for fast charge too by sensing if the data lines are shorted or something like that.
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[18:50] <akk> The freebies and the cheap ones you see at places like Pep Boys don't list details like an amperage rate.
[18:50] <Kryczek> yeah... BlackBerry's are especially annoying like that
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[18:51] <Kryczek> if you buy a proper cigarette lighter adapter (e.g. Anker or RavPower) they have technology called "iQ sense" or something that should work with all those devices sensing the USB lines etc
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[18:51] <gordonDrogon> my nexus seems to know when it can pull more juice for a fast charge.
[18:53] <Kryczek> I've also watched enough bigclivedotcom videos about dangerous cheap adapters, to not mind spending a bit extra for name brands :)
[18:53] <akk> I should probably just wire a USB cable into the car's electrical system (with the older cars, not the hypothetical new one).
[18:53] <Kryczek> "famous last words" ? :P
[18:53] <akk> I'd still need an adapter, of course (12-5v)
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[18:54] <Kryczek> or a video suggestion for ElectroBOOM :D
[18:55] <wuzamarine> The next Raspiian release for Pi should be called mudd
[18:55] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: why?
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> Gah. electroBoom...
[18:55] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: so I can run a network on a stack on mudd pis
[18:56] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: is it a pun I am not getting? Sorry I am not a native English speaker...
[18:56] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: yes, a phun. I appologize.
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[18:58] <[Saint]> Aren't puns generally witty or funny?
[18:58] <[Saint]> :p
[18:58] <wuzamarine> [Saint]: hey, at least I tried. ;)
[18:58] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: oh... like a "Mississippi mud pie" ? I didn't know there was such a desert
[18:58] <Kryczek> "mud pie" does not sound very enticing
[18:59] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: yes. or even just a mud pie, like a child makes just before graduating diapers.
[18:59] <wuzamarine> ;)
[18:59] <Kryczek> now I definitely do not want a mud pie desert hah
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> I play with mud most days when I make rye breads... at least it has the texture of grainy mud before it's fermented and baked...
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[19:01] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: the irony of a security network configured on a cluster of them, could bring some interesting conversation to the lab room. :)
[19:01] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: for what it's worth you could have the "cowpatty" WPA attack tool in it, at least
[19:01] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: LMAO!!! :)
[19:02] <wuzamarine> Cow Pis. It is a thing in the US. ;)
[19:02] <[Saint]> Secure.
[19:02] <[Saint]> Rpi.
[19:02] <[Saint]> Pick one.
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[19:03] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: when I was in a security research lab (2004-2005) our workstations were named in references to the Orgazmo movie that Trey Parker and Matt Stone did before they became famous with South Park
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[19:03] <Kryczek> the lab director was not pleased :D
[19:03] <wuzamarine> [Saint]: I would imagine Pi to be the ideal security device. Probably a snap to confiure PaX.
[19:04] <[Saint]> Yes. We every device that blindly runs unsigned code off a FAT partition is the very definition of secure.
[19:04] <[Saint]> I mean...seriously dude.
[19:04] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: SELinux would be even better
[19:05] <wuzamarine> I haven't tried but you're starting off with many less holes to patch.
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[19:05] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: SELinux doesn't cover everything.
[19:05] <Kryczek> what do you mean by "security device" though? I remember there were some projects of using a Pi as a poor-man's Hardware Security Module
[19:05] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: nope. Its a developers wet dream.
[19:05] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: no no, of course not :) but it is also often overlooked
[19:06] <[Saint]> Except, for, y'know...several million Android devices.
[19:06] <[Saint]> Except for those.
[19:07] <[Saint]> Several *hundred* million.
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[19:07] <Kryczek> [Saint]: which is great, but that's done out of the box ;)
[19:07] <[Saint]> Totally overlooked.
[19:07] <Kryczek> I was talking about when people have to install it themselves
[19:08] <Kryczek> if you google for SELinux, most entries are about how to disable it in distributions that ship with it
[19:08] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: there are more holes to patch in Linux than you are probably aware of. They start at the keyboard hole and it just gets worse from there. A Pi is bare bones. Less holes to secure. Less labor. a 1 gig processor is all you need. You don't need no stinking PCI :)
[19:08] <[Saint]> Or why installing it without kernel support doesn't work.
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[19:09] <[Saint]> "I installed all the userland stuff, why doesn't this kernel centric security policy system work? Guys? U guiz, I have a doubt."
[19:09] <[Saint]> "Sirz?"
[19:09] <Kryczek> [Saint]: are there many kernels not shipping with support by default? It's been in mainline for many years now, I would imagine it would be a problem only in Gentoo etc where people configure the kernel from scratch :)
[19:10] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: "than [we] are probably aware of" ;)
[19:10] <[Saint]> Unless I'm quite mistaken I don't think the rpi defconfig is SEL enabled, is it?
[19:10] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: SELinux is excellent and solved MANY problems. But not all of them.. Many issues cannot be fixed with certain services even turned on. Every device is different.
[19:10] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: I see what you mean but I would still counter it with "the right tool for the right job", since for example in some cases I regret that the Pi does not have a TPM
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> unsigned code off a FAT partition vs. Minix inside a co-processor vs. whatever the AMD thing is called these days...
[19:12] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: Thats a WHOLE NEW BALL GAME! TPM fixes another cluster of issues. I adore TPM, but it can have evil purposes as well.
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[19:13] <[Saint]> It's all largely irrelevant without reproducible builds.
[19:13] <[Saint]> If you trust your compiler, do you trust the compiler that compiled it? Or it before it?
[19:13] <[Saint]> It's trust issues all the way down.
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> and if you think compiling from scratch is a good thing, then do read this while I go & get some fresh tea :)
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> http://wiki.c2.com/?TheKenThompsonHack
[19:14] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: seems like we were on the same page, lol
[19:14] <wuzamarine> [Saint]: TPM is a chain of trust all the way down to the chipset... o.0
[19:14] <Kryczek> I think we all are, from the beginning
[19:14] <Kryczek> I am scratching my head trying to understand why wuzamarine is countering my agreements :P
[19:15] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: because TPM is a double edged sword.
[19:16] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: I speak at security conferences about it, I know. I was just saying a Pi is not "the ultimate security device" because it's not always the right tool for the right job
[19:16] <wuzamarine> I always ponder, that if I were emperor, I would use TPM to control everything.
[19:18] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: I used to build security devices. less is more. except with inline text processing... o.0
[19:19] <wuzamarine> all bets go out the window, at layer 3
[19:19] <Kryczek> here's a real life example: company with offices all over the globe, some small some big, with VPN gateways that were often easily accessible to the local employees
[19:19] <Kryczek> some local employees might modify the VPN gateway; I know because I did.
[19:20] <Kryczek> with TPM Remote Attestation the head office could easily detect modifications of the remote VPN gateways
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[19:20] <Kryczek> otherwise there is no way to ask a remote system to proove that it's not modified: the software might have been altered to say that it's not modified
[19:21] <[Saint]> You've only got to simply Google "TPM CVE" to see it's far from a magic bullet.
[19:21] <[Saint]> Generally speaking it's invasive bullshit.
[19:21] <LFSveteran> The layout of the SD card, I know first partition is fat , second one is ext. What size should the first partition be?
[19:21] <Kryczek> pfft
[19:21] <Kryczek> [Saint]: thanks for contributing to the FUD
[19:21] <[Saint]> It's a very blunt sword, swung wildly.
[19:23] <[Saint]> LFSveteran: "big enough"
[19:23] <[Saint]> For various purposes, that will differ wildly.
[19:24] <[Saint]> 16~512MB
[19:24] <LFSveteran> #define big enough. 50MB, 100MB, 1G?
[19:24] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: BUT, if I can hijack your chain of trust, hypothetically I could dump any code I want directly to your chip from Mars. Any OS you load. You can do it now but, you have a few hoops to jump through first.
[19:24] <LFSveteran> ah clear
[19:25] <LFSveteran> used to be documented on the net before, but now first overloaded with shit before finding usefull info
[19:25] <[Saint]> LFSveteran: it's generally not something you'd need worry about, 99% of distros are .IMG based and the partition tables therein.
[19:26] <LFSveteran> not wanting to use a distro
[19:26] <[Saint]> ...k.
[19:27] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: now compare this to the 99% of vulnerable "Full" Disk Encryption out there, which can be defeated in seconds if automated, or even by hand in the case of LUKS (not that it's any less secure, just easier to edit by hand since it's scripts in the initrd)
[19:27] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: "hypothetically" vs "what I can do during your coffee break"
[19:27] <[Saint]> Kryczek: not sure how pointing out that there's been several fairly high profile TPM CVEs is FUD and how that dissolves the illusion implicit trust.
[19:27] <[Saint]> ...but, you do you, man.
[19:28] <Kryczek> [Saint]: because I am showing a real example of how it's better than nothing, and you're vaguely referring to security issues; there's issues everywhere.
[19:28] <[Saint]> No one's arguing it's not better than nothing.
[19:29] <[Saint]> You're bleating on about a point no one's countering.
[19:29] <[Saint]> Better than nothing doesn't mean it's not shit.
[19:29] <Kryczek> 18:21 < [Saint]> Generally speaking it's invasive bullshit.
[19:29] <[Saint]> This is true.
[19:29] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: if TPM is loaded and you have the chain of trust, that encyption means nah-dah... :)
[19:29] <[Saint]> It's also true it's better than nothing.
[19:29] <[Saint]> You're arguing against a point you /think/ I'm making.
[19:30] <[Saint]> Something something...assume...ass.
[19:30] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: wrong, you can combine user input and the TPM.
[19:30] <Kryczek> [Saint]: well perhaps then trying to make your point in a clever way instead of calling things shit etc?
[19:31] <[Saint]> Maybe try not be a presumptuous dick?
[19:31] <Kryczek> where was I?
[19:31] <[Saint]> Ha! Cute.
[19:31] <Kryczek> no seriously
[19:31] <Kryczek> as I said I am not a native English speaker
[19:32] <[Saint]> You appear to have a very fine command of English. Me no speaky English isn't an escape hatch.
[19:33] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: I can have every stoke of the keyboard relayed to my network, directly off the chipset. You'll just get a couple of extra op codes. TPM owes the machine at the chipset.
[19:33] <wuzamarine> owns
[19:33] <Kryczek> thank you for the compliment but see, that is where it actually gets harder for me: just because I know general grammar and maybe enough vocabulary to pass for a fluent speaker, I do not know when I might come across as differently from what I mean
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[19:33] <Kryczek> [Saint]: and may I add, "Ha! Cute." isn't an escape hatch.
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[19:35] <[Saint]> You automatically assumed my position was that because I believe TPMs can be flawed or invasive that they aren't in some cases useful.
[19:35] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: can you please elaborate? I do not see how you could do that, but maybe you know the TPM better than I do?
[19:35] <[Saint]> They are useful. They are flawed. Those aren't incompatible.
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[19:35] <Kryczek> [Saint]: perhaps it's a cultural difference then, your calling them shit to me sounded like they shouldn't be used
[19:37] <[Saint]> Perhaps that is a regional thing, I'm not sure. Me saying they're generally regarded as invasive bull* isn't the same as saying they are themselves sh*t.
[19:37] <[Saint]> People hold wrong opinions all the time.
[19:37] <Kryczek> 18:29 < [Saint]> Better than nothing doesn't mean it's not shit.
[19:37] <Kryczek> anyway, there is no reason for me to try to convince you, if anything it's counterproductive
[19:38] <[Saint]> It doesn't. But it doesn't mean it's universally true either.
[19:38] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: I had a very long discussion with one of the top kernel developers for Android about secure boot. Thats a chain of trust going all the way to the chipset. Its hardware based.
[19:38] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: TPM Secure Boot or UEFI Secure Boot?
[19:38] <[Saint]> wuzamarine: and look how often that's broken. ;)
[19:39] <[Saint]> Secureboot is warped or abused basically every major device release or soon thereafter. Doesn't mean it's not useful, but it's definitely not a magic bullet curative fixall.
[19:39] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: Mostly UEFI but both have the same general functionality. Its on a standard development/project cycle.
[19:40] <[Saint]> And it's not suddenly going to make me trust hardware any more.
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[19:40] <[Saint]> Nor any less, mind you.
[19:40] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: in any case smartphones are very different architecturally from PCs: for one there are not even TPMs on phones, there is a Mobile Trusted Module specification from the TCG but it's not really/widely adopted, not to mention that it's quite different from the TPM one since they want to accomodate many stakeholders (user, manufacturer, MNO...) at the same time
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> especially if you have a secret sauce 2nd processor that can access the same hardware/memory/peripherals ...
[19:41] <Kryczek> wuzamarine: UEFI Secure Boot and TPM Secure Boot are completely different
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[19:41] <mr_yogurt> Is it possible to use a phone replacement screen with a raspberry pi?
[19:41] <[Saint]> Different, yes. Completely, no.
[19:41] <Kryczek> -_-
[19:41] <Kryczek> give us the similarity then?
[19:41] <wuzamarine> Kryczek: right now, PCs are not even built like phones, so they cannot even support the same features. But the Google Pixel is... Its coming.....
[19:42] <[Saint]> At how many levels?
[19:42] <wuzamarine> [Saint]: the Google Chrome Pixel is a phone with a 15 inch screen
[19:42] <Kryczek> the former requires the bootstrap to be signed by a trusted key, whereas the latter is retroactive: anything is booted and then at the end if all the Platform Configuration Registers align like the combination to a safe, you can use this to imply that the previous steps happened normally
[19:42] <Kryczek> you can actually combine the two
[19:43] <Kryczek> [Saint]: at least one
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[19:43] <[Saint]> They're both (attempts at) chain of trust enforcement.
[19:43] <Kryczek> pfffffbwahahahahahja
[19:43] <Kryczek> ok I'm out
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[19:43] <Kryczek> you guys are a waste of time
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[19:44] <[Saint]> You asked for it.
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[19:45] <[Saint]> "This thing is COMPLETELY different...except for the similarities in form and function to this other thing"
[19:45] <[Saint]> I mean, I get figurative speech but...
[19:47] <[Saint]> wuzamarine: on an entirely different note, as an Android developer I've always found it hilarious that the devices built to showcase Android only served to showcase that Android just plain isn't a functional desktop operating system and likely never will be.
[19:49] <[Saint]> Quite sad really. Google is great at many things and seems incompetent with many others. I mean, they pretty much singlehandedly killed the tablet market as well.
[19:50] <[Saint]> Not incompetent, that's the wrong word...perhaps, misdirected.
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[20:55] <GrandPa-G> does anyone know where the default screenshot of the road to the mountains is located?
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[21:16] <[Saint]> GrandPa-G: errr.../usr/share/.... something.
[21:16] <[Saint]> It'll be obvious if you ls -la /usr/share
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[21:17] <GrandPa-G> [Saint]:Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant where geographically was the photo taken?
[21:17] <[Saint]> Ah! No idea.
[21:17] <[Saint]> Sorry.
[21:18] <GrandPa-G> [Saint]:it looks like my part of the world, but just doubt it.
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[21:27] <OY1R> anyone here know svxlink ?
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[21:29] <OY1R> i'm trying to set it up on a rpi2, now while doing changes in the conf files i have to Ctrl-X the running instance of svxlink, but i cant run it more than once, when i exit it, i have to reboot the pi inorder to get it back up and running.
[21:31] <oq> GrandPa-G: "We’re very fortunate in that Greg Annandale, one of the Foundation’s developers, is also a very talented (and very well-travelled) photographer, and he has kindly allowed us to use some of his work as desktop pictures for PIXEL. There are 16 images to choose from; you can find them in /usr/share/pixel-wallpaper/, and you can use the Appearance Settings application to choose which one you prefer. Do have
[21:31] <oq> a look through them, as Greg’s work is well worth seeing! If you’re curious, the EXIF data in each image will tell you where it was taken."
[21:31] <oq> so look in the exif
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[22:06] <GrandPa-G> oq:that directory does not exist /usr/share/pixel-wallpaper/
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> you could just look for it: find / -name \*wallpaper\*
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[22:09] <GrandPa-G> looks like /usr/share/wallpapers instead. close, but no cigar
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[22:11] <Ellied> anyone know why an ad-hoc network might just randomly stop working (devices claim to be on the right essid, frequency, and IP range in iw/fconfig, but cannot ever see each other)? I had this working like a month ago and haven't changed anything since then, and now it doesn't work
[22:12] <Ellied> neither of the RPis I'm using can see my laptop or each other, and my laptop can't see either of them
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[22:14] <Ellied> it's like I dreamed the whole thing and ad-hoc wifi has never actually worked :F
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[22:15] <GrandPa-G> I don't think I found the correct directory yet.
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[22:21] <GrandPa-G> oq:I found the photo from his website. It is from Iceland. Not very close to me.
[22:23] <Ellied> ok, it looks like NetworkManager is somehow screwing with me. simply stopping it results in it claiming to work but not working at all; disabling it and rebooting results in it working.
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[22:27] <akk> Ellied: I've often found that NetworkManager breaks more things than it fixes, but I'm an old curmudgeon.
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[22:42] <Ellied> akk: it's the only thing I can get to handle wpa2 enterprise connections without throwing some dead-end cryptic error, and I'm forced to use those a lot, sadly :/
[22:42] <Ellied> my uni had a wpa2 personal network when I was a freshman, but they shut it down my junior year
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