#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-11-14

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] * DeadTOm (~deadtom@2001:4b98:dc0:41:216:3eff:fe58:44d0) Quit (Quit: DeadTOm)
[0:03] * TReK (~UnFaQ@unaffiliated/trek) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[0:03] * marcdinkum (~marcdinku@2001:985:5982:1:88c3:d872:6634:b29e) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:04] * Gathis (~TheBlack@unaffiliated/gathis) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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[0:16] * charlietheredd (~charlieth@unaffiliated/charlietheredd) Quit (Quit: Quit...)
[0:19] * JK-47 (RJ@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe73:fc8) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)
[0:19] * Flynnn (~textual@unaffiliated/flynnn) Quit (Quit: Auf Wiedersehen!)
[0:20] * krautguy (~pi@x5ce5809e.dyn.telefonica.de) Quit (Quit: ccccc64)
[0:22] * djk (~Thunderbi@pool-96-242-218-160.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: djk)
[0:22] * shantorn (~shantorn@c-71-59-220-108.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:24] * palmtree (~user@unaffiliated/palmtree) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[0:24] * gugah (~gugah@116-214-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[0:28] * supajerm (~supajerm@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/supajerm) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:32] * ebsen (~ebsene@17.sub-174-217-35.myvzw.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:37] * Quatroking (~Quatrokin@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/quatroking) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[0:40] * ebsen (~ebsene@17.sub-174-217-35.myvzw.com) Quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[0:43] * dan_j (sid21651@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-axzurmuxibdfpzom) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:44] * airdisa (~airdisa@2602:306:bc71:bbb0:7039:cdf3:ea79:3964) Quit ()
[0:46] * Ilyas (uid43013@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ghvckeoiailxkcdc) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:47] * nighty- (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) Quit (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)
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[0:53] * Kontraband (~Kontraban@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/kontraband) Quit (Quit: Time for a creampie)
[0:57] * semeion (~semeion@unaffiliated/semeion) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[0:57] * govg (~govg@unaffiliated/govg) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[0:57] * ChunkzZ (uid233645@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kfxtomtfdbjbrald) Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
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[1:09] * GenteelBen (~GenteelBe@cpc111801-lutn14-2-0-cust55.9-3.cable.virginm.net) Quit ()
[1:12] * ebsen (~ebsene@2600:1014:b10f:499e:1540:c69:3cbd:879c) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[1:13] * shantorn (~shantorn@c-71-59-220-108.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[1:13] * pklaus (~pklaus@p200300CB13E16C00788BACE56254DBA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[1:17] * djk (~Thunderbi@pool-96-242-218-160.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:20] * pklaus (~pklaus@p200300CB13CD0500780C5F3DBD424967.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:26] * Flynnn (~textual@unaffiliated/flynnn) Quit (Quit: Auf Wiedersehen!)
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[1:31] * enkrypt (~enkrypt@cust-24-53-111-94.dyn.as47377.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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[1:38] * feksclaus (~feksclaus@80-71-131-204.u.parknet.dk) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:41] * Syliss (~Syliss@asa1.digitalpath.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[1:45] * bberging_it (~bbergz@unaffiliated/bberg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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[1:47] * Flynnn (~textual@unaffiliated/flynnn) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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[1:48] * Freshnuts (~Freshnuts@46.3e.32a9.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com) has joined #raspberrypi
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[1:52] * defsdoor (~andy@cpc120600-sutt6-2-0-cust177.19-1.cable.virginm.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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[1:59] * vstehle (~vstehle@rqp06-1-88-178-86-202.fbx.proxad.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
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[2:14] * p71 (~chatzilla@75-128-224-180.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[2:14] * fractex (~fractex@108-192-130-92.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi
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[2:19] * gugah (~gugah@116-214-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) Quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
[2:31] * Anatzum (~michael@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/anatzum) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:35] * Spr1ng (~Spr1ng@unaffiliated/spr1ng) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9)
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[2:41] * bberging_it (~bbergz@unaffiliated/bberg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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[2:46] * CrazyEddy (crazyed@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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[2:48] * MrCrackPotBuilde (~I@115.164.221.160) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[3:01] * ZetFury (~~@unaffiliated/zetfury) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[3:01] * Anatzum (~michael@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/anatzum) Quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
[3:03] * TReK (~UnFaQ@unaffiliated/trek) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[3:05] * akk (~akkana@75-161-91-17.albq.qwest.net) Quit (Quit: +++)
[3:05] * shantorn (~shantorn@67-5-133-199.ptld.qwest.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:07] * dalmata (~dalmatHG@unaffiliated/dalmathg) Quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)
[3:10] * TheSin (~TheSin@d108-181-58-228.abhsia.telus.net) has joined #raspberrypi
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[3:13] * filadome (~filadome@pool-173-70-46-208.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[3:15] * Reedy (~quassel@wikimedia/pdpc.active.reedy) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
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[3:22] * Anatzum (~michael@ip70-177-117-79.ok.ok.cox.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:22] <Smeef> https://www.erawanarifnugroho.com/2017/08/25/raspberry-pi-exploited-cryptocurrency-mining.html
[3:22] * finlstrm (~finlstrm@ip70-188-141-213.ri.ri.cox.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:24] * svm_invictvs (~svm_invic@unaffiliated/svminvictvs/x-938456) Quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[3:26] * t0no6a (~t0no6a@187.169.21.63) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:30] * pcmerc_work (~pcmerc_wo@proxy-sf.kryptochaos.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[3:31] <norlevo> Smeef; "abuse-expoits@undernet.org" is misspelled?
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[3:41] * taza (~taza@unaffiliated/taza) Quit ()
[3:51] * GrandPa-G (~GrandPa-G@www.rgconsulting.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
[3:55] * ZetFury (~~@unaffiliated/zetfury) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[3:59] * duckpuppy (~patrickai@h88.210.132.40.static.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
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[4:00] * Anatzum (~michael@ip70-177-117-79.ok.ok.cox.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[4:01] * Anatzum (~michael@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/anatzum) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:01] * Anatzum (~michael@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/anatzum) Quit (Client Quit)
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[4:08] * finlstrm (~finlstrm@ip70-188-141-213.ri.ri.cox.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[4:13] * DrBlackskull (~DrBlacksk@pool-165-230-224-13.nat.rutgers.edu) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:16] * Colti (Miramar-FL@unaffiliated/colti) Quit (Excess Flood)
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[4:21] * Anatzum (~michael@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/anatzum) has joined #raspberrypi
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[4:23] * feksclaus (~feksclaus@80-71-131-204.u.parknet.dk) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.7.1)
[4:31] * BitEvil (~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:31] * SpeedEvil is now known as Guest51474
[4:31] * WARlrus (~freenode@home.mattdyson.org) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[4:32] * mujjingun (uid228218@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnwkaojflqbxonbr) has joined #raspberrypi
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[4:41] * stekro (~stekro@x590cc1cd.dyn.telefonica.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:43] * Anatzum (~michael@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/anatzum) Quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
[4:43] * r0Oter (~r00ter@p5DDF0366.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:43] * r00ter (~r00ter@p5DDF19D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Disconnected by services)
[4:46] * DrBlackskull (~DrBlacksk@pool-165-230-224-13.nat.rutgers.edu) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
[4:47] * DrBlackskull (~DrBlacksk@pool-165-230-224-13.nat.rutgers.edu) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:47] * BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
[4:50] * AlineGomes (uid198215@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sbexbdxlgtkietrb) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:00] * Dimik (~Dimik@ool-182e2df5.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
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[5:07] * pepee (~pepee@unaffiliated/pepee) Quit (Quit: bye $IRC)
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[5:10] * Ilyas (uid43013@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ghvckeoiailxkcdc) Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
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[5:17] * malhelo (~malhelo@dslb-088-064-033-025.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:20] * Colti (Miramar-FL@unaffiliated/colti) Quit (Excess Flood)
[5:20] * djk (~Thunderbi@pool-96-242-218-160.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: djk)
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[5:22] * sdothum (~znc@dsl-173-206-12-233.tor.primus.ca) Quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in)
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[5:25] * shantorn (~shantorn@67-5-133-199.ptld.qwest.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[5:26] * semeion (~semeion@unaffiliated/semeion) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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[5:32] * shantorn (~shantorn@67-5-133-199.ptld.qwest.net) has joined #raspberrypi
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[5:52] * shantorn (~shantorn@67-5-133-199.ptld.qwest.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[5:55] * BiteMe (~BiteMe@38.87.220.111.sta.wbroadband.net.au) Quit (Quit: Brain exploded...it was messy)
[5:58] * jmcgnh (jmcgnh@wikipedia/jmcgnh) Quit (Quit: Good night, y'all!)
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[6:12] * PityDaFool (~AfroThund@pool-71-244-241-187.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
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[7:09] * Arcaelyx (~Arcaelyx@23.19.87.219.adsl.inet-telecom.org) Quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
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[7:55] * pppingme (~pppingme@unaffiliated/pppingme) Quit (Excess Flood)
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[8:00] * mawnkey (~quassel@c-73-203-214-241.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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[8:27] * pavlushka (~pavlushka@ubuntu/member/pavlushka) Quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
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[11:30] <purplex88> I forgot my raspberry pi's login password
[11:30] <purplex88> where it is saved?
[11:30] <purplex88> how to reset?
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> purplex88, did you change it?
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> you can't normally see it as it's stored using a one-way cryptographic hash function.
[11:31] <purplex88> yes long time ago
[11:31] <purplex88> its no longer: pi and raspberry
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> if the pi is booted & you're logged in then you might have a chance, but if the Pi isn't booted then...
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> unless you set a root password and can login as root.
[11:32] <purplex88> I am trying to connect via putty
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> otherwise, you can put the SD card in another Linux system and mount the Linux partition and wipe the password.
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> which is in /etc/shadow
[11:32] <purplex88> whats the easy fix?
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> there is no easy fix.
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> you need another Linux system.
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> or reinstall from scratch.
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> (losing all data, but you have a backup, so that's probably OK)
[11:33] <purplex88> I'll re-install.
[11:33] <purplex88> There's no data on it.
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> I'd check your backup first - ah, ok.
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> no other linux system then?
[11:36] <shiftplusone> There's also something you can add to cmdline to enter a recovery mode
[11:36] <shiftplusone> so a windows system would be enough
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[11:37] <purplex88> just windows
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> oh I guess you could set init=/bin/bash
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> you'd then need to do some work - check & mount the filesystem read/write (assuming the keyboard is recognised)
[11:38] <purplex88> oh its not that easy
[11:38] <purplex88> i'll need to start with ethernet all over again
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> you'd need local screen/keyboard though.
[11:40] <purplex88> if i can enter the system, then I can change it?
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[11:42] <purplex88> on my monitor it freezes on screen
[11:43] <purplex88> [OK] Reached target paths.
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> you need to boot directly into a shell or login as root, somehow.
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> to get to a shell you'll need to put the sd card in a pc and change a file
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea what that message is. I don't recall seeing it.
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[11:48] <purplex88> I have a monitor but currently no extra keyboard
[11:48] <purplex88> its not touch monitor either
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[11:48] <purplex88> should i buy a keyboard first?
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[11:50] <purplex88> i guess i'll need it to operate.
[11:51] <shiftplusone> I was thinking systemd.debug-shell rather than init=/bin/bash. That spawns a logged in shell for you on one of the tty's
[11:52] <shiftplusone> you could of course plug the keyboard you're using right now into the pi....
[11:52] <purplex88> its a laptop duh
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[11:53] <pksato> purplex88: you have a sd card reader on laptop?
[11:53] <purplex88> yes
[11:53] <purplex88> thats how i installed noobs
[11:53] <pksato> download some live linux.
[11:53] <purplex88> but in the end i'll need a keyboard anyway, right?
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[11:54] <purplex88> and mouse
[11:54] <pksato> live linux for laptop.
[11:54] <f4th0m> Hello. I have installed transmission on an rpi3, which has a usb drive attached. the only problem is that on certain activities it sometimes locks up/freezes. In netstat it still has the web interface bound for example, but it does not accept connections. On restart it works again.
[11:54] <f4th0m> One of these actions is to move the data of a torrent to an other place
[11:54] <pksato> boot on it, mount raspberry pi root partition, and edit etc/shadow
[11:54] <f4th0m> anyone else has such exp?
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[11:56] <pksato> on shadow file, remove password hash (second field) of root or raspberry user.
[11:57] <pksato> also, is possible to do it on windows or macOS, but, widows text editor dont like linux files.
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[11:59] <purplex88> i'll do it on windows if its possible using virtualbox ubuntu
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[12:00] <purplex88> so i plug the card in and access using ubuntu and delete a file?
[12:01] <pksato> dont delete.
[12:01] <pksato> modify the shadow file.
[12:02] <pksato> on shadow file have lines like this: root:$1$lEq...:14775:0:99999:7:::
[12:02] <pksato> change to: root::14775:0:99999:7:::
[12:03] <pksato> but, I not sure if still work.
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[12:09] <purplex88> card reader malfunctioning
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[12:14] <purplex88> so getting this https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91rR%2B3FhCoL._SL1500_.jpg
[12:14] <purplex88> and a usb card reader
[12:16] <purplex88> or instead i should just buy a real keyboard
[12:16] <purplex88> i already have a mouse
[12:16] <purplex88> this wireless stuff is not reliable
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[12:19] <noregret> where can I find a recent tutorial for gpio control in the pi3 ?
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[12:38] <gordonDrogon> what language are you programming in?
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[13:55] <f4th0m> Anyone has experiance with deluge on rpi?
[13:56] <f4th0m> Or if anyone has any suggestion what to do with transmission not to freeze out from time to time (or on actions)
[13:56] <f4th0m> would be equally nice:)
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[14:06] <shiftplusone> f4th0m: do you have any specific questions about deluge?
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[14:11] <f4th0m> shiftplusone, I have transmission and that's freezeing from time to time. Also it freezes if you want to move the data to other directory
[14:11] <f4th0m> Besides these bug like things
[14:12] <f4th0m> It has no support to show the directory structure on the server side
[14:12] <dff> shiftplusone: i got my character problems sorted :)
[14:12] <dff> look öäå
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[14:12] <dff> thanks for the help
[14:12] <shiftplusone> dff: what was the problem?
[14:13] <dff> im not sure
[14:13] <dff> i ran raspi-config about 10 times
[14:13] <f4th0m> so when I add new torrent I need to know how the dir structure looks like on the server
[14:13] <dff> and it finally worked
[14:13] <shiftplusone> maybe you just needed to log out and back in or reboot?
[14:13] <dff> it could have been that a reboot was needed
[14:13] <dff> i thought logging out woul be enough
[14:13] <dff> would *
[14:14] <f4th0m> So actually a question on deluge server, is it able to show the remote fs to be able to choose download directory?
[14:16] <f4th0m> Second specific question if anybody uses it without problems on rpi3?
[14:18] * shiftplusone uses deluge without problems
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[14:19] <shiftplusone> not sure I understand the 'remote fs' question.
[14:19] <shiftplusone> or rather I have about 5 different interpretations of what it could mean.
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[14:21] <dff> i read that dulge is preferred on rpi, is rtorrent not popular anymore?
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[14:23] <shiftplusone> rtorrent doesn't really have a proper daemon mode, does it?
[14:23] <dff> not that i recall
[14:23] <shiftplusone> it's more of a 'run it in screen/tmux' type of approach, right?
[14:23] <dff> yeah
[14:23] <dff> exactly
[14:24] <dff> dulge is a daemon and gui clients on the network can connect to it?
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[14:24] <shiftplusone> yeah, for that reason I went with deluge instead. I also had issues where I had existing downloads I wanted to seed, but rtorrent wouldn't properly detect that the files already exist and would download over them, whereas with deluge it was simpler to just check the existing files.
[14:25] <shiftplusone> deluge has a classic mode which is a single process standalone client with a gui or a daemon that a gui can connect to.
[14:25] <dff> sounds pretty convenient, im gonna check it out
[14:26] <f4th0m> shiftplusone, I would like to use deluge as transmission. Server runs on an rpi3, the client is a windows machine
[14:26] <f4th0m> when on the client someone downloads a torrent, it should be transferred to the rpi and the rpi should start the transfer
[14:27] <dff> transmission is a bittorrent client
[14:27] <f4th0m> before it starts in transmission it brings up a window, which is mainly about where to download the torrent
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[14:27] <shiftplusone> f4th0m: that's almost exactly how I have it set up
[14:27] <f4th0m> dff, transmission is a headless server also
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[14:27] <f4th0m> shiftplusone, and can you choose directory on the rpi, from the client machine?
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[14:28] <dff> f4th0m: yeah i thought you meant transmission in a way that wasn't the software
[14:28] <dff> and tried to correct the confusion
[14:28] <dff> but i brainfarted
[14:28] <dff> sorry
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[14:28] <f4th0m> dff, no problem
[14:29] <shiftplusone> f4th0m: Not quite. It doesn't list directories of the remote machine. You can enter a path, but you can't select it.
[14:29] <shiftplusone> if I recall correctly. I had it set up slightly differently
[14:30] <f4th0m> shiftplusone, on then it seems to be exactly same to transmission.
[14:30] <shiftplusone> I have a samba share that deluge monitors for .torrent files and adds them automatically.
[14:30] <shiftplusone> so when running windows, I save the files there.
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[14:30] <f4th0m> shiftplusone, ok, that's also a possibility, but then everything goes to same download dir
[14:30] <f4th0m> so music will and up in the same place as movies...
[14:31] <shiftplusone> yeah. I don't download much, so it's easy for me to move things afterwards.
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[14:35] <shiftplusone> I believe you can change the download path when you add the torrent though, it's just that you'll have your default value like "/home/pi/Downloads" or whatever and you'll have to type in "/Music" afterwards, which isn't too much of a hassle.
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[14:36] <f4th0m> shiftplusone, yes, if you know what is around. Though this rpi should hold the torrents for my sister who is not really a guru in this field
[14:36] <f4th0m> :D
[14:36] <f4th0m> But so far she was ok with transmission, so the lack of this feature is not a showstopper
[14:37] <shiftplusone> have you tried building transmission from source or digging deeper into what the actual problem with that is?
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[14:45] <f4th0m> shiftplusone, no, I've only checked the settings available
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[14:49] <Kliment> What's the easiest way to automagically mount mass storage devices on raspbian-lite?
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[15:07] <shiftplusone> Kliment: I think you'll find that most of the ways documented online either no longer work or don't quite work the way you want them to, so you'll probably need to try a few things and figure out what works for you.
[15:08] <shiftplusone> something that used udevil2 is likely to work, or you can probably steal a udev rule from somewhere
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[15:13] <Kliment> shiftplusone: The closest I've gotten so far is allow user mounting by adding a rule to polkit and then manually running udisks-glue
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[15:16] <Kliment> shiftplusone: Would prefer to automate that somehow
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[15:55] <Biganon> Hi ; is there a software way to determine if my raspberry pi is not receiving enough power now that I've connected a USB-powered drive to it ?
[15:59] <shiftplusone> vcgencmd get_throttled will tell you if there has been an under-voltage condition, thermal throttling and so on
[16:00] <redrabbit> throttled=0x0 means no
[16:00] <redrabbit> i suppose
[16:00] <Biganon> throttled=0x50005
[16:01] <redrabbit> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=147781&start=50#p972790
[16:02] <Biganon> oh so I'm throttled
[16:02] <Biganon> it is problematic, right ?
[16:02] <Biganon> it could damage my pi ?
[16:02] <redrabbit> just get a fat PSU and call it a day
[16:02] <Biganon> I have 2.1A
[16:02] <Biganon> for my rasp 3 + the harddrive
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[16:03] <redrabbit> well, get a better one
[16:03] <Biganon> I'm gonna use a powered hub I have
[16:03] <Biganon> should do the trick
[16:03] <redrabbit> the rpi3 is quite picky with PSUs
[16:05] <red9> howso? what is the special demand that the RPi has?
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> it depands that PSUs don't lie. most do.
[16:05] <redrabbit> yep
[16:05] <shiftplusone> it won't damage the pi, but you may lose data or get random crashes
[16:05] <shiftplusone> and the performance will be lowered
[16:05] <redrabbit> PSU rated 3A only providing 1A
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[16:05] <redrabbit> PSU rated 1A only providing 0.5A
[16:06] <redrabbit> you get the idea
[16:06] <Biganon> I hope my PSU is not lying
[16:06] <redrabbit> its not exeptions
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> devices using a (usb) PSU to charge are mostly OK - they don't care if the voltage drops a little, but devices using those PSU to actively power stuff doe care about their quality and stability.
[16:06] <Biganon> I don't have a multimeter to check
[16:06] <redrabbit> most psus are like this
[16:06] <shiftplusone> it might not be lying, but it might not be telling you the full picture.
[16:07] <shiftplusone> A PSU might be 5V 2A, but at 2A, the voltage drops to 4.5V and then you lose another 0.5V in the cable, for example.
[16:07] <shiftplusone> Then the pi only gets 4V.
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> charging is also a fairly steady load, and taking your phone while on-charge out of standby mode will need a bit of a power spike, but they have a big battery to cope with that - the Pi hasn't.
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[16:12] <redrabbit> its actually possible to discharge a plugged in cellphone with heavy applications
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[16:21] <BurtyB> my poor old nokia 5210 couldn't do internet+irda whist being on charge :(
[16:22] <dff> how truthful is the official rpi PSU?
[16:23] <leftyfb> dff: can you clarify?
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[16:25] <redrabbit> does it actually delivers the advertised current
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> I've managed to put a Piv3 into thermal overload mode with an official Pi PSU - without the yellow lightning bolt showing up.
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> (meaning I was running all 4 ARM cores flat out)
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> peripherals will affect it though.
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[16:34] <Biganon> does anyone know why "vcgencmd get_throttled" returns a number with only 5's ?
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[16:35] <Biganon> redrabbit: the key on the site you provided uses decimal representations of binary numbers that would be, say, 100001, not 50005
[16:36] <redrabbit> it could be clearer
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[16:41] <shauno> that'd be an understatement. I don't see the relationship between the values they give, and 0x50005 at all
[16:44] <shauno> ah, 18 isn't a value, they mean the 18th bit
[16:46] <shauno> hm. and then they explain 6 bits, when 50005 only has 4 high bits
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[16:54] <shauno> Biganon: https://pastebin.com/xRpwmYYs there's my understanding of that, if that helps. so 0x05 is 0x04 + 0x01, so the bits in places 0 and 2 are flagged
[16:56] <shauno> (although line4 should just be 5,0,0,0,5, without leading zeros. I'm not used to writing hex as single nibbles)
[16:57] <GrandPa-G> does throttling mean cpu slowed down? If so, can it tell how much?
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[17:03] <Biganon> oh thx shauno
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[18:21] <Smeef> And anyone here connected one of those cheap 240x320 SPI TFTs to a Pi? I have one with a touch screen, and I'm trying to figure out how to wire it, but I'm getting conflicting guides online. The model number I have is KMRTM24024-SPI.
[18:22] <Smeef> Has anyone*
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[18:23] <red9> are you afraid to break something? or is it just to get it right from the start?
[18:24] <Smeef> Definitely the former, this is my first SPI display, not sure if wiring it improperly can cause damage.
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> why not follow the fine instructions you got with it?
[18:26] <Smeef> I don't read invisible :P
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> but once you re-compile the kernel to give it's support, it ought to just plug in and go I'd have thought.
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[18:27] <gordonDrogon> let me guess... it had the words "Raspberry Pi" on the page on the website you bought it from?
[18:27] <Smeef> I don't think it was made for the Pi, the pins don't line up with the GPIO, it's probably a general purpose thing for Pis and Arduinos
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[18:28] <Smeef> I'm assuming having SPI means it can work with multiple platforms
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> first google hit gives a picture of it wired to an Arduino. You ought to be able to use that to wire it to the Pi - assuming it's OK with 3.3v logic.
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> https://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=323026.0
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> you'll be able to poke pixels at it and probably transfer images on it's SD card to the display, but to use it as a general purpose frame buffer you'll need a kernel module to drive it fast enough.
[18:30] <Smeef> Yeah, that's one of the conflicting images I found, there was another that only used one resistor on the LED, and I'm also not that familiar with the Ardunio's pins
[18:31] <Smeef> Ah
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> the resistors don't make sense at all.
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> normally you'd wire SPI directly.
[18:32] <Smeef> This is also one of the few images with the SD wired
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> Ah, it's a 3.3v device. that's OK. Those resistors are probably a feeble attempt to protect the display from the Arduino's 5v logic.
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> the SD card is just another SPI device - SD cards are just SPI peripherals at the simplest of levels. You can probably ignore it as I guess data needs to go from SD card into CPU via SPI then out via the SPI bus to the display.
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> so one SPI bus, 2 select pins.
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> touch is usually I2C, but that looks like its bit-banged in some way.
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[18:35] <gordonDrogon> if you really want to use that sort of display, I'd look for one supported by the Pi with a Pi connector on it -then it'll have the right kernel drivers to make i a framebuffer.
[18:35] <Smeef> The touch is just gravy, I'd be happy just to get the display working. Also, when you say kernel module, does that mean a custom distro, or is that something I can just pull down with apt-get?
[18:36] <Smeef> The ones for the Pi are kinda expensive, lol. This only cost me about $8 :P
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> how much is your time worth?
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[18:37] <Smeef> Considering this is a hobby, $0.
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> in the past you's have to use a custom kernel because the people putting the drivers together are often behind the foundation release kernel, hoever that may have changed in recent times.
[18:38] <Smeef> I see
[18:41] <Smeef> I just realized, the model number wasn't the right one, I got better Google hits with ILI9341
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[18:46] <kerio> Smeef: there's a handful of possibilities
[18:46] <kerio> at least the ones that work
[18:46] <kerio> :^)
[18:46] <kerio> try https://github.com/swkim01/waveshare-dtoverlays
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[18:48] <kerio> or https://github.com/notro/fbtft/wiki/FBTFT-RPI-overlays
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[19:25] <Demannu> Anyone have experience with USB 3G modems?
[19:26] <Kliment> Demannu: I do, some
[19:26] <Kliment> Demannu: A few years ago I made a gateway that routed a connection from a 3G modem to wifi
[19:26] <Kliment> Demannu: On a pi of course
[19:26] <Demannu> Kliment: I'm looking to add a 3G modem to my Pi 3B project, I'm hoping to use Tracfone/Straighttalk for ~500mb/m. What are the biggest hold ups you found in your project?
[19:26] <Demannu> So I can anticipate it a bit
[19:27] <Demannu> I only need to upload 2mb file every 6 hours from the Pi
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[19:27] <Kliment> Demannu: The biggest issue was that the modem was terribly undocumented and needed a strange usb mode switch command before it would work
[19:27] <Demannu> There is no usable wifi at the location it's currently at (it's a horse farm)
[19:27] <Demannu> I saw the mode switch command and the ppp setup, looks somewhat documented now.
[19:28] <Demannu> As long as I have a sim that supports the band and form factor, should be gucci in terms of hardware issues?
[19:28] <Kliment> Demannu: Also, you need to make sure that all of the other software running on the pi is not going to chatter on that connection
[19:29] <Kliment> Demannu: Or you'll use up all your data when it tries to do a software update :)
[19:29] <Demannu> Fair enough, the only software running on it are user/script prompted and have no outward data
[19:29] <Demannu> NTP is handled by a GPS module
[19:30] <Demannu> https://www.amazon.com/Modem-Huawei-Unlocked-E303c-Caribbean/dp/B07486HRQB/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1510683899&sr=1-2&keywords=usb+3g+modem&dpID=31AMT3equwL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
[19:30] <Demannu> Was looking at that guy
[19:30] <Demannu> Since 90% of the HATs for the Pi, I can't buy in the US for some reason and are upwards of $150
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[19:30] <irc_smirk> hello everyone. happy pi day!
[19:31] <Demannu> Grettings irc_smirk
[19:31] <leftyfb> pi day?
[19:31] <leftyfb> That's March 14th
[19:31] <Demannu> lol
[19:31] <irc_smirk> no
[19:31] <irc_smirk> everyday is pi day :)
[19:31] <Demannu> I like this guy
[19:31] <Demannu> He gets my support
[19:31] <irc_smirk> question
[19:31] <Demannu> answer
[19:31] <irc_smirk> is it possible to create a heat sink on the cpu by supergluing a bunch of copper pennies?
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[19:32] <Demannu> Is superglue a good thermal conductor
[19:32] <Demannu> the copper pennies aren't copper
[19:32] <Demannu> The outside coating is, I think they are primarily zinc
[19:32] <irc_smirk> the pre 1982 ones
[19:32] <Kliment> They're iron and zinc, yes
[19:32] <Demannu> and would you put them vertical or horizontal
[19:32] <Kliment> But either way, superglue is not a very good thermal conductor
[19:32] <Demannu> and would you have a fan to circulate the air
[19:33] <irc_smirk> guess please. this is a penny pincher project
[19:33] <irc_smirk> *guys
[19:33] <Demannu> Because the Pi heatsinks don't really help much without a fan
[19:33] <GenteelBen> Greetings, my fellow raspists.
[19:33] <irc_smirk> i have the pi by a window still now
[19:33] <irc_smirk> the cpu is at 73 c is that too high?
[19:33] <Demannu> irc_smirk: What are you running that the thermal is a concern?
[19:33] <GenteelBen> irc_smirk: you let your Pi cool on the windowsill?
[19:33] <red9> can you afford any thermal paste?
[19:34] <Demannu> irc_smirk: When I have my mobile Pi, my temps are around 72-75C
[19:34] <irc_smirk> im running a bitcoin miner
[19:34] <Demannu> Oh
[19:34] <Demannu> lol
[19:34] <Demannu> nevermind
[19:34] <irc_smirk> not mining bitcoin, some other new coin im making
[19:34] <Demannu> Yeah, I mean... generally Pi's are worthless solo for mining any coin
[19:34] <irc_smirk> not true
[19:35] <Demannu> I'm open to new coins, but I've ran tests/the numbers on most of the coins on Polo
[19:35] <Demannu> and the energy you use outweights the coin value over 1 year
[19:35] <Demannu> It's even worse when you look at T+3months and T+9months
[19:35] <irc_smirk> again its not mining bitcoin
[19:35] <Demannu> Again, I said most altcoins on Poloniex
[19:36] <irc_smirk> yes this is exchange less coin
[19:36] <Demannu> The one that came closest to not losing money was running GRC via BOINC on a low complexity project.
[19:36] <Demannu> And still you lost $8 a year
[19:36] <leftyfb> Demannu: I'm going to continue running my bitcoin ASIC's on a pi0w all solar power :)
[19:36] <Demannu> leftyfb: Great idea :)
[19:36] <Demannu> ASIC is one thing
[19:36] <irc_smirk> its to make a unit of accounting, not to trade and make money
[19:36] <Demannu> Using the Pi for mining itself, no bueno
[19:37] <leftyfb> I have about $1000 in bitcoin at the moment
[19:37] <Demannu> leftyfb: You ever come across those Butterfly labs?
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[19:37] <irc_smirk> thats like saying webserver on pi no bueno
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[19:37] <Demannu> Cause I grabbed 8 of them at a garage sale for $2.50 a piece
[19:37] <leftyfb> Demannu: those are the ones I have
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[19:37] <Demannu> Cause the old guy was liquidating his and I quote "dead beat methhead of a grandson"'s garbage
[19:38] <Demannu> They don't seem to hash much these days, but on solar... you basically just get free income
[19:38] <Demannu> Albeit a small amount
[19:38] <irc_smirk> alright so that aside, is there a good usb fan one can recommend? or should i get any fan and justpoint it at the pi?
[19:38] <leftyfb> yep
[19:38] <leftyfb> can't hurt
[19:38] <Demannu> irc_smirk: There are fans that tap into the GPIO for a smaller form factor for the Pi
[19:38] <irc_smirk> so copper idea is pointless?
[19:38] <Demannu> penny idea is probably not viable
[19:38] <Kliment> irc_smirk: Copper would be great but not copper pennies
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[19:38] <Demannu> Do you have an old heat sink laying around
[19:38] <irc_smirk> well i got real copper coins too
[19:38] <Demannu> and maybe a sawzaw
[19:39] <irc_smirk> but they are huge
[19:39] <Demannu> or a hand saw
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[19:39] <Kliment> irc_smirk: I thought you were asking just to make the "penny pinching" pun
[19:39] <irc_smirk> no i just wanted somethign to coll this thing down righ tnow
[19:39] <irc_smirk> pour water on it?
[19:39] <Demannu> irc_smirk: Non trolling: I've been going to the local junk yard asking if they have any scrap aluminum from whatever points in a car contain it
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[19:40] <Demannu> And you can get some cheap alumnium that's hand workable
[19:40] <Demannu> Maybe you can make some epic heat spreader that way
[19:40] <Demannu> to make it aircooled
[19:40] <Kliment> In unrelated news, what's the correct way to prevent terminal blanking in text mode? Is it setterm or kbd or something else?
[19:40] <irc_smirk> i think a fan woudl be nough
[19:40] <Demannu> irc_smirk: Are you in a country that Amazon services?
[19:40] <irc_smirk> yeah
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[19:41] <Demannu> https://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Cooling-Pure-Copper-Heatsink/dp/B074P6K1NV/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1510684879&sr=8-5&keywords=raspberry+pi+cooling+fan&dpID=51SklDCJ4TL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
[19:41] <Demannu> If you can scrape $13 together, that's one I've used in the past
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[19:42] <irc_smirk> you really think the heat sink by itself makes much of a diff?
[19:42] <Demannu> I don't think the heat sink itself makes any difference
[19:42] <irc_smirk> id like to run this at 4 core but it will go over 80cc
[19:42] <Demannu> In my own testing (YMMV) I've seen a 2-3C increase in heat with an uncirculated heatsink
[19:43] <Kliment> Demannu: Horizontal or vertical board orientation?
[19:43] <Demannu> horizontal
[19:43] <irc_smirk> yeah that double fan is cool. but $12 more on $35 pc
[19:43] <Kliment> Demannu: I find convection makes an enormous difference with passive heatsinks
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[19:43] <Kliment> Demannu: So vertical might give you a similar difference in the opposite direction
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[19:44] <Demannu> Kliment: I'm also in FL, USA. So we have thick humid air that's not really the best for air cooling :P
[19:44] <Kliment> Demannu: Humid air has more thermal capacitance than dry air
[19:44] <irc_smirk> demannu - is that fan noisy?
[19:45] <Demannu> irc_smirk: Not from my experience, make sure you secure it tightly so it doesnt wiggle
[19:45] <Demannu> Kliment: Is that so.
[19:45] <Demannu> TIL
[19:45] <Kliment> Demannu: Yeah, the water in the air stores more heat than the air itself
[19:45] <Demannu> Kliment: When I get home, I'll rerun my thermal tests vertical
[19:45] <Demannu> Kliment: Even if the ambient temperature is ~90F
[19:45] <Demannu> ?
[19:46] <Demannu> irc_smirk: Are you using a case or is it open air?
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[19:46] <irc_smirk> open air
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[19:46] <irc_smirk> actually i want to make a 'raid'
[19:46] <Kliment> Demannu: Well, the bigger the difference between ambient and heatsink, the more efficient the heat transfer of course
[19:46] <irc_smirk> with spacers
[19:46] <Demannu> irc_smirk: You mean a cluster
[19:46] <irc_smirk> yeah
[19:47] <Blubberbub> does someone know whats the difference between dma usage on a Raspberry Pi 2 in comparison to a Raspberry Pi 3? Somehow my DMA transfer is interrupted on channel 5 at some intervals...
[19:47] <Kliment> Demannu: Because as we know from the old song "you can't move heat to a colder from a hotter"
[19:47] <Demannu> There's a cluster case framework I use, pretty good cooling but outside of your budget perhaps
[19:47] <Kliment> "you can try if you want but you really ought to not to"
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[19:47] <Kliment> Oops, I messed up the to and from
[19:47] <Demannu> irc_smirk: https://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-Complete-Stackable-Enclosure/dp/B01LVUVVOQ/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1510685256&sr=1-4&keywords=raspberry+pi+3+cluster+case&dpID=51gQZypZPbL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
[19:48] <Demannu> I added 2 80mm fans to the back of that and it's bueno
[19:48] <Demannu> Used some alligator clips to attach it to the frame
[19:48] <irc_smirk> nice
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[19:48] <irc_smirk> cost start stacking up
[19:48] <Demannu> Yep
[19:49] <irc_smirk> i was looking to just use these spacers
[19:49] <irc_smirk> https://howchoo.com/g/njy4zdm3mwy/how-to-run-a-raspberry-pi-cluster-with-docker-swarm
[19:49] <Demannu> On average in my experience, my Pi projects start at $60 and end up somewhere near $200 depending on the sensors/parts I need
[19:49] <Kliment> Demannu: So yeah, if your ambient temp is the same as your heatsink temp, then obviously no heat will move one way or the other
[19:49] <irc_smirk> that 12 amp box looks great
[19:49] <Kliment> Demannu: The bigger the difference between them, the more heat can move
[19:50] <irc_smirk> id rather throw 20 on a nice power box like that
[19:50] <Kliment> Demannu: A good way to think about it, if you know electronics, is in terms of voltage and resistance and capacitance
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[19:50] <tga1> greets
[19:50] <Demannu> irc_smirk: It's nice to supply power, but if your Pi's overheat... there's no point.
[19:50] <irc_smirk> i think i can just point a fan at it and call it a day
[19:50] <Demannu> Kliment: Fair enough, I hadn't put too much thought into it. Most of these experiements I run are hella late and I'm in a compromised mental state ;)
[19:50] <tga1> I am trying to turn an old TV into a media station but can't find a well fitting screen
[19:51] <Demannu> tga1: RPi 3B?
[19:51] <tga1> where and how would you search for a ~6.4in screen?
[19:51] <tga1> zero actually
[19:51] <tga1> it doesn't really matter I guess
[19:51] <Demannu> Gotcha. I haven't messed with the Zero for video output yet.
[19:51] <irc_smirk> cause that cools the gpu looks like
[19:51] <Kliment> Demannu: Temperature is like voltage, thermal resistance is the stuff in between one object and the other, and thermal capacitance is roughly proportional to mass
[19:51] <tga1> my problem is finding a screen that fits well in the old case
[19:51] <Demannu> I know there's some different stuff you need to do for frequency/resolution
[19:51] <Demannu> Ah
[19:51] <irc_smirk> the fans you pointed woudl be great for a minecraft pi
[19:52] <Demannu> I know the standard screens at 4inch, 5.7inch and 7inch
[19:52] <Demannu> Haven't seen any for 6.4
[19:52] <tga1> oh wait, nevermind the tv part, I threw away the CRT, just using the case
[19:52] <Demannu> Gotcha lolol
[19:52] <tga1> it's like 5.11 x 4.3 in
[19:52] <Demannu> I was confused for a second
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[19:52] <tga1> 4x3ish, but small, no way I can fit a 7" screen in there
[19:52] <tga1> I got a 5" one but 1) it's really small and 2) the damn hdmi plug is on the side, and I can't fit it in
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[19:53] <irc_smirk> anyone running full mincraft on pi 3?
[19:53] <Demannu> irc_smirk: Client or server
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[19:53] <Demannu> Cause you can run vanilla server and have it be rough running
[19:53] <Demannu> or you can run a modded server and not even connect
[19:53] <irc_smirk> both i guess. i want to hook up my nephews so they can play against each other
[19:53] <Demannu> Yeah, not with a Pi
[19:54] <irc_smirk> why not?
[19:54] <Demannu> The client is too heavy memory wise
[19:54] <Kliment> Demannu: So to get cooling happening, you need a temperature difference (to maximize the amount of heat that wants to go from one to the other), you want lots of contact area (to minimize thermal resistance), and you want the thing you're dumping the heat into to either be easily replaceable (air, circulating water) or massive enough that you can dump lots of energy into it without the temperature
[19:54] <Demannu> The Pi doesn't have enough memory
[19:54] <Kliment> difference dropping much (for example, the earth's crust)
[19:54] <irc_smirk> ive seen it work. the youtubes tell me
[19:54] <Demannu> They probably are running MinePi
[19:54] <Demannu> not the full minecraft client
[19:54] <Demannu> https://minecraft.net/en-us/edition/pi/
[19:55] <irc_smirk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXFMo8psp-U
[19:55] <Demannu> irc_smirk: Your name isn't Henry right?
[19:55] <irc_smirk> 30 fps
[19:55] <irc_smirk> no i wish
[19:55] <Kliment> Demannu: Here's the song I was talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnbiVw_1FNs
[19:55] <irc_smirk> j/k no im not henry
[19:55] <Demannu> Just wondering, had a friend asking very similar questions (including the pennys)
[19:55] <irc_smirk> how much is minecraft? youd still have to pay right?
[19:55] <Demannu> I'm unsure for the Pi version, but retail is $26 I think?
[19:55] <irc_smirk> i guess great poor minds think alike
[19:56] <irc_smirk> so id need 3 pis? 1 server and 2 clients. or one can run the server?
[19:56] <Kliment> (song starts 2 minutes in)
[19:56] <Demannu> So! That guys tutorial checks out BUT.. the more entities you load the worse performance you'll get
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[19:57] <Demannu> Cause with his full version and Optifine and 16x16 textures, he can get 30 with the lowest video settings and no mobs
[19:57] <Demannu> Add mobs/particles/redstone and you'll be over your limit
[19:57] <irc_smirk> its okay. they are 6. they will be thrilled to see pigs come to their houses
[19:57] <Demannu> Hence the MinePi
[19:57] <Demannu> >no mobs
[19:57] <Demannu> And the Pi version is free
[19:57] <irc_smirk> yeah they love that one
[19:57] <irc_smirk> but no crafting table, etc
[19:57] <Demannu> So see if that works best for you
[19:57] <Demannu> Exactly
[19:57] <irc_smirk> i dont play tht thing, learning from them even
[19:58] <tga1> Demannu: https://i.imgur.com/D9bZPVy.jpg
[19:58] <irc_smirk> so no pigs even with that tutorial/
[19:58] <Demannu> Gotcha, I used to play back when it was creative only.
[19:58] <Demannu> irc_smirk: Correct, sadly.
[19:58] <irc_smirk> thats weird
[19:58] <tga1> Demannu: the cut out is for a 5" widescreen, too small imho -- and a 7" won't fit at all
[19:58] <Demannu> I know it's out of budget, but the best thing I did was get a chrome book for my little brother
[19:58] <Demannu> He can play Minecraft from there
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[19:58] <Demannu> It was like $140
[19:58] <Demannu> But with blackfriday coming up, maybe you can scoop it for cheaper
[19:58] <irc_smirk> and then next week they will be on all the porn sites
[19:59] <Demannu> At 6?
[19:59] <ali1234> minecraft java is still really unoptimized :(
[19:59] <tga1> oh you can't imagine
[19:59] <irc_smirk> need to protect them by crippling their access lol
[19:59] <tga1> any bright ideas finding a good fitting screen for that thing?
[19:59] <Demannu> Kids these days man
[19:59] <Demannu> tga1: Looking at it now
[19:59] <irc_smirk> need to protect them by crippling their access lol
[20:00] <Demannu> tga1: What if, now run with me on this
[20:00] <Demannu> What if you got a USB tablet screen
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[20:00] <irc_smirk> alright thanks
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[20:01] <Demannu> OH!
[20:01] <irc_smirk> how is that pi 3 can run the emulation games and not minecraft
[20:01] <tga1> usb tablet screen, hmm, could work
[20:01] <irc_smirk> that gpu is pretty powerful
[20:01] <tga1> like a mimo?
[20:01] <Demannu> I saw a hackday... they took an Iphone 5 screen and made a board for the Pi
[20:02] <tga1> how do you drive that though?
[20:02] <Demannu> irc_smirk: Emulators are a lot less heavy than minecraft
[20:02] <Demannu> tga1: Trying to find the hackaday post
[20:02] <tga1> plan B is to turn this into a smart light, but that would kinda be a shame
[20:02] <irc_smirk> alright well, chrome book may be it
[20:02] <Demannu> tga1: https://hackaday.com/2014/11/02/using-cell-phone-screens-with-any-hdmi-interface/
[20:02] <irc_smirk> sucks
[20:02] <Demannu> That might be exactly what you're looking for
[20:03] <tga1> Demannu: thanks, now I'm thinking I could just get a cheap 6" android and be done with it, no pi
[20:03] <tga1> oh, but the thing is this is 4x3, not widescreen
[20:03] <irc_smirk> haha
[20:03] <Demannu> tga1: I'm making a magic mirror and opted for a tablet/phone instead of a Pi
[20:03] <irc_smirk> exactly, these discussion always end with 'get a cheap tablet'
[20:04] <ali1234> irc_smirk: minecraft java is just a perfect storm of slowness
[20:04] <Demannu> If I was more of a wood worker, I could've made a shadowbox for the monitor and Pi
[20:04] <Kliment> Now, time to backup this pi and make it read-only
[20:04] <Demannu> Kliment: Thanks for all your info btw
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[20:05] <Kliment> Demannu: Anytime :)
[20:05] <ali1234> it has a codebase written by a dev who was figuring stuff out along the way, voxels are incredibly resource intensive anyway, and java isn't exactly known for speed, especially with the automatic garbage collection
[20:06] <irc_smirk> microcenter has pi zero for $5
[20:06] <Kliment> I just built a tool that takes a descriptor file and a bunch of firmware images, and then you can plug in any of a number of target devices, and each one will get programmed with the correct image
[20:06] <irc_smirk> but its 1.5 hrs away
[20:06] <Demannu> ali1234: They've re-wrote it to a C# implementation now which is leagues better
[20:06] <Kliment> irc_smirk: They actually have it in stock?
[20:06] <ali1234> Demannu: yes and you can't run it on a pi
[20:06] <irc_smirk> yup
[20:06] <Demannu> ali1234: Indeed lol
[20:06] <irc_smirk> i was going to go today, but..ugh
[20:06] <Demannu> I think you can mono it, but you know how that goes lol
[20:06] <ali1234> and with no forge support, who cares?
[20:06] <noregret> gordonDrogon: python
[20:07] <ali1234> forge is really amazing. it's no wonder mojang keeps hiring forge devs... those guys know what they are doing
[20:07] <red9> Javascript - the global catastrophe that hit the people of earth and made them suffer .. :p
[20:07] <Demannu> ^
[20:07] <Demannu> red9: I love JS
[20:07] <Demannu> Bite your tongue :P
[20:08] <red9> builtin language in the web browser - yes. Javascript as the language, hell no.
[20:08] <Demannu> Well I'll give you that JS raw is awful, but Node or Jquery makes it tolerable and even likeable
[20:08] <red9> Browser devs could start with uniformly defined syntax, set of functions and api.
[20:09] <red9> across versions, platforms and browsers.
[20:09] <ali1234> api and language are separate. it isn't the fault of javascript that every browser has different DOM syntax
[20:09] <Demannu> Hey man, IE is what fucks everything else
[20:09] <Demannu> Chrome and Firefox got their shit together for the most part
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[20:09] <Demannu> IE is the bane of any developers existance
[20:09] <ali1234> there is plenty wrong with javascript though
[20:09] <Demannu> As a self-taught programmer, I am blind to the shortcomings ;)
[20:09] <ali1234> and please no bad language in this channel
[20:09] <Demannu> Ah, my bad.
[20:10] <Demannu> I get passionate about my hate for IE
[20:10] <irc_smirk> javascript rules
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[20:10] <Kliment> irc_smirk: And it's a mean tyrant of a ruler
[20:10] <Demannu> If IE was in a room with hitler and stalin, and I had a gun with 2 bullets, I'd shoot IE twice
[20:10] <tga1> Demannu: how complicated is it to turn a cheap android into an appliance though?
[20:10] <red9> Microsoft can't get software right. Proven over >30 years.
[20:11] <Kliment> Demannu: That's appropriate because both of the others are already dead though
[20:11] <Demannu> tga1: If you root it, not terribly hard. You can autolaunch your program/website whatever
[20:11] <Demannu> Kliment: If this was 1932 and IE was around somehow
[20:11] <tga1> Demannu: well even rooting it wouldn't be easy on some random Chinese phone
[20:11] <Demannu> And if it was 1932, I'd prbably just compliment Hitler's art and avoid WW2 altogether
[20:11] <Kliment> Demannu: If you had two mad autocrats in a room with the most advanced computer in 1932, destroying the computer before they get it is not the worst of ideas
[20:12] <red9> tga1, rooting as early as possible in the boot chain is the answer.
[20:13] <ali1234> tga1: just get a pi3 and put kodi on it
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[20:13] <Demannu> ali1234: How do you get Kodi to play nicelyt
[20:13] <Demannu> Cause it buffers every 10 seconds
[20:13] <ali1234> you use that distro that's made specifically for it
[20:13] <Demannu> Unless I need to transcode down to 720 or less
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[20:13] <irc_smirk> how many jobs and careers has javascript made possible
[20:13] <tga1> ali1234: you missed the original issue, I can't find a good screen that fits my case
[20:13] <red9> In a room with Stalin, Hitler and IE. And only two bullets. If you wack the dictators a lot of resources could been spent on tech development.
[20:13] <tga1> http://www.dx.com/attr/cell-phones-accessories-599/cell-phones-511/android-phones-526?a2099=1&sort=price&sortType=asc
[20:14] <Demannu> ali1234: I was working with RetroPie's built in Kodi
[20:14] <tga1> these would be the options, $50ish phones
[20:14] <irc_smirk> how can there be so many videos on youtube about 'getting started with pi 3' still in 2017
[20:14] <irc_smirk> how many jobs and careers has javascript made possible
[20:14] <irc_smirk> how can there be so many videos on youtube about 'getting started with pi 3' still in 2017
[20:14] <ali1234> tga1: the pi has a 7" display. if necessary it can be removed from the casing
[20:14] <tga1> a lot of people are still getting started with pi 3?
[20:14] <ali1234> if it still won't fit, then a tablet probably won't help because they will all be 7" displays
[20:14] <red9> irc_smirk, Those careers is wasting resource that could been better spent.
[20:14] <tga1> ali1234: a lot of 5.5"ish phones
[20:15] <irc_smirk> man, you can say that about so many pointless jobs
[20:15] <ali1234> find something better to put it in, lol
[20:15] <tga1> well the whole point is using this old tv
[20:15] <tga1> ali1234: https://i.imgur.com/D9bZPVy.jpg
[20:15] <red9> irc_smirk, The learning curve for people differs.. :p
[20:15] <tga1> ali1234: the cutout is for a 5" screen, too small
[20:15] <tga1> I wonder just how small I could get the 7" screen
[20:15] <ali1234> hang on i will measure it
[20:16] <tga1> ++
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[20:17] <ali1234> if you remove the casing, 6.5" wide and 4" tall
[20:17] <tga1> thanks!
[20:17] * tga1 measures the case
[20:17] <red9> The Pi3 is to weak to compete with real computers. But to expensive to be used as a controller in many projects. Pi2 was/is more at the right performance/price ratio.
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[20:17] <ali1234> bt you have to be careful cos the screen is quite fragile out of the case
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[20:17] <ali1234> also the case is stuck together with double sided tape
[20:17] <red9> Anyone tinkered with the bus between the WLAN chips and the MCU on RP-Zero or Pi3 ?
[20:18] <irc_smirk> ubuntu runs SO good on pi3 finally
[20:18] <Kliment> The pi3 is amazing for computer vision applications, and as a basis for tooling
[20:18] <red9> fpga plz.
[20:18] <ali1234> red9: that would be SDIO
[20:18] <Kliment> red9: It's SDIO, what about it?
[20:18] <tga1> ali1234: yeah, that's what I remembered, my absolute max is 6.3" wide
[20:18] <Kliment> red9: Unfortunately it's not a bus, it's a point to point interface :(
[20:19] <tga1> and even that would take some doing
[20:19] <red9> it's FAST. Can do dual Ethernet with performance and thus >L3 routing etc.
[20:19] <ali1234> its not that fast
[20:19] <red9> Kliment, Fake the P2P .. how would it know? ;)
[20:20] <Kliment> red9: There are SDIO muxes you can use
[20:20] * tga1 wonders if anyone makes small 4x3 screens
[20:20] <ali1234> here is a FPGA board in pi zero form factor: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fleafpga-ohm-fpga-experimenter-board-arduino#/
[20:20] <tga1> looks like it would have been a better idea to keep the original screen
[20:20] <ali1234> unfortunately you missed the chance to back it
[20:20] <tga1> bw though
[20:20] <red9> ali1234, Then we are talking different busses. To keep up with the WLAN speeds the bus needs to be really fast.
[20:20] <ali1234> it's the same interface used for the SD card
[20:20] <Kliment> red9: What do you have in mind? It's brought out to the headers on the compute module if you want to play with it
[20:21] <ali1234> both SDIO controllers are available on the regular GPIO as well
[20:21] <irc_smirk> are there any cheap single boards like pi that are faster cpu?
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[20:22] <ali1234> irc_smirk: yeah, orange pi, beagle, artic... that nvidia one
[20:22] <red9> Kliment, Plan: Chop the WLAN chips. Connect 2x Ethernet PHY do L3 routing and/or firewall stuff. Or even have multiple Ethernet interfaces for serious routing setups.
[20:22] <ali1234> or was it asus
[20:22] <oq> asus
[20:22] <ali1234> there are loads. but the problem is they have bad software support and are usually a bit more expensive
[20:22] <Kliment> red9: You still need ethernet MAC implemented somewhere
[20:23] <oq> the asus tinkerboard is like 3x the price of a pi though
[20:23] <Demannu> Anyone have a 3D printing service they trust?
[20:23] <Kliment> red9: Doing it in software will severely drop your throughput, even if you dedicate one or two cores to it
[20:23] <red9> irc_smirk, Checkout Digikey/Mouser for ARM or MIPS chips. Be aware that only the A-series ARM chips have MMU = workable Linux.
[20:23] <ali1234> red9: https://hackaday.com/2015/12/06/pi-zero-ethernet-the-hard-way/
[20:23] <ali1234> already done
[20:23] <irc_smirk> https://www.amazon.com/Orange-Single-Computer-1-3GHz-Heatsink/dp/B01CXE2SMS
[20:23] <irc_smirk> $25
[20:23] <Kliment> Demannu: I've had good experiences with 3d hubs
[20:23] <ali1234> actually i think that uses SPI
[20:24] <Demannu> Kliment: Thanks I'll check it out
[20:24] <irc_smirk> bah
[20:24] <Kliment> ali1234: Yeah that's SPI
[20:24] <irc_smirk> ill stick with pi
[20:24] <tga1> man, $0.76 part on aliexpress, $7.60 on amazon
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> yes, there is an SPI ethernet that works on the Pi :)
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> performance is ... not stellar!
[20:24] <ali1234> this uses SDIO to add wifi (pointless now, but it's old) https://hackaday.io/project/8678-rpi-wifi
[20:26] <Kliment> Demannu: note that it's a marketplace, so search for ones near you and check their reviews
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[20:37] <red9> The key to fast networking is DMA, not MAC per se.
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[20:46] <Demannu> I just had an idea, might be disasterous but I'm gonna sacrifice a Pi to it
[20:46] <Demannu> I'm wondering if I can get the capacity of a battery pack reported to the Pi
[20:47] <Demannu> That way I can shut it down safely when I reach say 10% of the battery left
[20:47] <ali1234> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10617
[20:47] <Demannu> This specific Pi has little oversight by myself, mainly just attached to a solar panel/battery pack
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[20:47] <Demannu> ali1234: You got everything on tap for me fam
[20:47] <Demannu> Thanks
[20:48] <ali1234> only use with 1S lipo battery
[20:48] <Demannu> I believe the battery pack I was gonna tear apart has a 1S lipo inside it
[20:49] <red9> Regarding the previously mentioned SPI-Ethernet on RPi-Z. It will do ~3.10 Mbit/s.
[20:49] <irc_smirk> has there been any rumors or hints on what pi 4 will be like and when?
[20:49] <Demannu> irc_smirk: Still pretty much nil. Basically they'll have to change chip manufacturing and such to get better performance
[20:50] <Demannu> They already maxed out the capabilities of their current chip and board design
[20:50] <Demannu> So the Pi 4 will be a huge jump according to their website
[20:50] <red9> In price that is? :P
[20:50] <Demannu> No idea lol
[20:50] <Demannu> I think the article said they are keeping to $35 just unsure how
[20:50] <ali1234> probably not. they'll use another near-EOL chipset probably
[20:50] <Demannu> I know Google is their partner now with it
[20:51] <Demannu> And the earliest they estimate it will be 2019
[20:51] <red9> I'd rather see a RPi-Z with a Ethernet port..
[20:51] <Demannu> Apparently Google wants to put their AI chip on the new Pi 4
[20:51] <Demannu> http://www.itpro.co.uk/desktop-hardware/27763/raspberry-pi-4-google-announces-partnership-with-raspberry-pi-foundation-2
[20:51] <Demannu> Article I'm referencing
[20:51] <ali1234> "AI chip"
[20:51] <ali1234> yeah, no, that's marketing nonsense
[20:52] <Demannu> ali1234: I think they mean a chip specifically to handle Google Assistant type function
[20:52] <irc_smirk> well thanks to bitcoin, everything will be hyperinflated very soon so the days of $35 / pi are soon to end
[20:52] <red9> Sorry David I can't let you use anything else than Google-Android.
[20:52] <ali1234> the pi can already run that
[20:52] <Kliment> AI chip - accelerator with baby GPU with no rasterizers
[20:52] <ali1234> yeah, it's going to just be some kind of SIMD accelerator
[20:53] <red9> open documentation? ;-)
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[20:53] <ali1234> maybe, google are usually good for that
[20:53] <red9> Isn't "AI" chips just specialized fpga's in some manner?
[20:53] <Kliment> red9: Not at all
[20:53] <ali1234> no, its not FPGAs
[20:53] <ali1234> FPGAs are slow
[20:53] <Kliment> red9: They're much closer to GPUs in terms of implementation
[20:53] <red9> so SIMD thingy
[20:54] <Kliment> red9: Lots of parallel units, each much more complex than an FPGA LUT, but much simpler than a full processing core
[20:54] <red9> I think the most impact will be that it will be LATE, cost more and suck more battery juice.
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[20:54] <noregret> where can I find a recent tutorial for gpio control in the pi3 using python ?
[20:55] <GrandPa-G> noregret:google?
[20:55] <red9> Those AI/neural chips. Do they use the analog domain somehow?
[20:55] <ali1234> almost certainly not
[20:55] <ali1234> analog computing hasn't been a thing since like the 60s
[20:56] <red9> quantum computing will perhaps be :p
[20:56] <ali1234> maybe
[20:59] <red9> A quick readup says that current breed is indeed SIMD-thingy. But the next step is to use the analog domain.
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[21:00] <red9> Anyway. If that chip is going to occupy any PCB space is better have some serious documentation unlike the GPU on the current incarnations.
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[21:02] <red9> Does the Ethernet on the Orange Pi connect to the MCU via USB ?
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[21:02] <GrandPa-G> I want to test a process that does the equivalent of the gpio EXPORT command. I know what needs to be done at command level. How can I undo the export I have so I can retest my new process?
[21:04] <ali1234> you write the gpio number to unexport instead of export
[21:04] <ali1234> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/gpio/sysfs.txt
[21:04] <noregret> GrandPa-G: i find a lot of old ones, tbh i don't know what exactly changed recently, but i prefer ones with recent versions of the py modules
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[21:05] <GrandPa-G> noregret:not much has changed. Try the old and see if it works. GPIO in python is realitively simple.
[21:05] <H4ndy> yay, got my Google AIY Voice Kit
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[21:06] <red9> Re Orange Pi, found the answer. It have a direct connection to the MCU. Ethernet--RTL8211E--RGMII https://linux-sunxi.org/File:ORANGE_PI-ONE-V1_1.pdf
[21:06] <red9> H4ndy, What hardware will u use it with?
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[21:07] <GrandPa-G> ali1234:Gee I guess reading docs first helps. thanks
[21:07] <H4ndy> I'll try it with the Zero W first
[21:07] <H4ndy> got a Pi3 as well in case its limiting
[21:07] <ali1234> H4ndy: the AIY kit sends all audio to google for processing. it does not need a fast CPU
[21:08] <H4ndy> it also supports tensorflow
[21:08] <H4ndy> which runs on the device
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[21:21] <irc_smirk> no im not trolling. very newb here
[21:21] <irc_smirk> its not out of the realm of possibilty something better overtakes it and the market chooses it
[21:21] <irc_smirk> just like happesn with any technology
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[21:23] <irc_smirk> kind of silly for people to call that trolling if you are asking a legitimate question about the tech/market
[21:24] <irc_smirk> i mean what makes it worth $6k? just people trading it
[21:24] <irc_smirk> it doesnt really do anything functional does it?
[21:24] <irc_smirk> it was under $1000 this year now 6x. did it get 6x better?
[21:24] <Kliment> irc_smirk: It does do something functional
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[21:25] <Kliment> irc_smirk: It allows bypassing of capital export controls
[21:25] <irc_smirk> asking for a grandman
[21:25] <irc_smirk> ok. so laundring
[21:25] <Kliment> irc_smirk: Not exactly - for example in China, you are not allowed to export currency
[21:25] <red9> Google voice.. all your audio are belong to our computing overlord. Standalone is futile, your hardware will serve us. ;)
[21:26] <irc_smirk> yeah i can see it will crash fiat worldwide
[21:26] <irc_smirk> sad.
[21:26] <irc_smirk> yuige crash coming . sad
[21:26] <Kliment> irc_smirk: So instead you buy electricity with yuan, mine cryptocurrency, and buy dollars with it
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[21:26] <red9> neat
[21:27] <irc_smirk> ok. so everyone is gettign rich trading on the demand for chinese electricity
[21:27] <Kliment> irc_smirk: Of course, this is hugely valuable, but also fragile - China could abolish capital controls, or ban bitcoin mining and enforce it at the power distribution level
[21:27] <red9> Soon China will crackdown on hashing in the same manner other nation do with "farming" those green leaves.
[21:27] <Kliment> irc_smirk: But it's not any inherent value of the currency, it's just an easy way to export funds
[21:28] <red9> Kliment, I think bitcoin is already banned in china.
[21:28] <Kliment> red9: It's not
[21:28] <Kliment> red9: They're starting to regulate it but it's nowhere near banned
[21:29] <irc_smirk> so which crypto could be considered more functional?
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[21:29] <Kliment> irc_smirk: Similarly, a major driver of big city luxury apartments is that you can buy real estate using yuan as investment properties
[21:29] <irc_smirk> ethereum?
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[21:29] <Kliment> irc_smirk: They're used entirely as store of value, rather than for living in
[21:30] <Kliment> irc_smirk: So the Chinese bitcoin industry is just a more democratic, more available form of buying central London apartments
[21:31] <Kliment> irc_smirk: Neither is sustainable, but it does the job
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[21:35] <irc_smirk> Kilmet - sounds like the devils money
[21:35] <Kliment> On a totally different note, I'd like to make an image of an SD card, what's the best way to go about it?
[21:36] <irc_smirk> funny i just had this issue this week
[21:36] <irc_smirk> dd on mac
[21:36] <red9> Kliment, Do you have any idea what drives the insane bitcoin value increase?
[21:36] <GrandPa-G> Kliment:what OS do you want to use to do the image manipulation?
[21:36] <irc_smirk> google how people do it on raspberry pi
[21:36] <irc_smirk> red9 - lottery mentality
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[21:39] <red9> Crash'R'coin..
[21:39] <irc_smirk> the safest way to get bitcoin is to mine it
[21:39] <irc_smirk> at least you get to keep real computer power if the price crashes
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[21:41] <Kliment> GrandPa-G: linux
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[21:45] <red9> irc_smirk, Hardware price falling and wasted electricity is not free either. So you still loose.
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[21:48] <GrandPa-G> Kliment:Ok, not important but I use windows and have very good luck with win32diskimage
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[22:00] <irc_smirk> red9 - safer than just buying bitcoin in hope it goes up
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[22:03] <irc_smirk> so lets talk programming jobs
[22:03] <irc_smirk> as a dev should i dive into bitcoin or ethereum
[22:04] <Rickta59> i think you missed that window irc_smirk
[22:04] <Rickta59> a pyramid scheme is only good for those at the beginning
[22:04] <leftyfb> irc_smirk: I think there's better suited channels to discuss cryptocurrency
[22:05] <irc_smirk> for programming?
[22:05] <Rickta59> isn't most mining done with fpga systems?
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[22:08] <H4ndy> Rickta59: ASICs mostly if you want to be profitable with popular currency
[22:08] <irc_smirk> has anyone tried a coin just for raspberry pi? or is it not able?
[22:09] <Rickta59> i know there is an instructable for that
[22:10] <irc_smirk> mining bitcoin on raspberry pi? lol that would probably take decades
[22:10] <Rickta59> you would have to go find it
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[22:16] <H4ndy> No current currency can be mined on a Pi is any reasonable time
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[22:27] <irc_smirk> could charlie chen being satoshi?
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[22:33] <phil42> i tried to mine monero on a pi, my gcc was the wrong version
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[22:38] <irc_smirk> phil42 is it still minable
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[22:39] <phil42> yes i guess there is a way to do it on a pi
[22:40] <irc_smirk> https://youtu.be/ipNDRFahG_0?t=80
[22:40] <phil42> but the liklihood of actually mining one was so low that i just let it go
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[22:40] <irc_smirk> that will do it
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[22:42] <[Saint]> 10 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:42] <[Saint]> Need to get 3,688 kB of archives.
[22:42] <[Saint]> After this operation, invalid identifier of additional disk space will be used.
[22:42] <[Saint]> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
[22:42] <[Saint]> lol
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[22:43] <irc_smirk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ITJO-95iQ
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[22:47] <irc_smirk> man how cool is that
[22:47] <irc_smirk> a bitcoin lottery ticket on pi
[22:48] <irc_smirk> im building that
[22:48] <irc_smirk> every 20 minutes you get 1 in 137,500,000 chance
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[22:49] <taza> irc_smirk Eeeh 2/10.
[22:50] <irc_smirk> but just think you can do this for any coin with block rewards
[22:50] <irc_smirk> play all the coin lotteries
[22:50] <irc_smirk> finally a reason to order another pi
[22:55] <red9> Lottery is for those that can't hack math (according to uni professor..)
[22:55] <red9> :p
[22:56] <irc_smirk> thats racist
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[23:25] <red9> Is there any Raspberry-Pi alternative which is cheaper and contains at least one Ethernet port. It may very well be a lot slower and have less memory. But should be able to run full Linux, ie not uCLinux. ..?
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[23:26] <red9> As it is now a used laptop will do the job for less money with more convinience.
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[23:35] <mfa298> red9: there's lots of other ARM based SBC's however this isn't the place to talk about them and in general the support for them sucks
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