#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-11-18

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[0:00] <dreamon> this behavior I have since I repaired boot partition.
[0:00] <Demannu> And that reinstalling the python version it uninstalled, fixed the problm.
[0:00] <Demannu> I see, what was wrong with the boot partition?
[0:00] <dreamon> how can I reinstall python?
[0:00] <Demannu> apt-get install --reinstall python2.7
[0:00] <Demannu> You'll still fail a bunch on apt
[0:00] <Demannu> 2.7 or 3.5
[0:00] <Demannu> depending on what OS you're running
[0:00] <dreamon> It didnt boot anymore after doing a dd copy
[0:00] <Demannu> and really what version
[0:01] <Demannu> Ah I see. You may have further permission issues then on the main SD card as well. Have you done an fsck?
[0:01] * caoliver thinks about converting a Pi 1 that otherwise gather dust into an NTP source.
[0:01] <dreamon> I copied all files of /boot from a different pi to this one.
[0:01] <Demannu> caoliver: I have a Pi2 with a USB gps as an ntp source
[0:02] <caoliver> Is the higher jitter inate in the 1s vs the 2s and 3s, or is it a load issue?
[0:02] <caoliver> I have two 3s running arm Slackware, but those are part of a project I'm doing.
[0:03] <caoliver> Demannu, what are you using for the radio?
[0:03] <Demannu> caoliver: In what context
[0:03] <caoliver> I mean which GPS hat (if a hat) are you using?
[0:04] <Demannu> Ah, I'm using a spare USB gps I had laying around
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[0:04] <Demannu> It was from an old wardriving project, lemme find the amazon link
[0:04] <Demannu> It draws at most 25mA
[0:04] <caoliver> The easiest for me is likely the AdaFruit hat.
[0:05] <Demannu> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008200LHW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[0:05] <dreamon> Demannu, using jessy think 2.7 is the right one?
[0:05] <Demannu> dreamon: I'd say 3.5
[0:05] <caoliver> I'm assuming it's raw serial and can spit out PPS.
[0:05] <Demannu> caoliver: If I didnt have it on hand, I think I still would've gone USB
[0:05] <Demannu> Yep
[0:05] <r3> caoliver: check out https://ava.upuaut.net/?p=726
[0:05] <Demannu> You can attach gpsd to it as well
[0:05] <Demannu> and then use gpspipe to work with it too
[0:06] <Demannu> And NTP can connect to gpsd for time
[0:06] <r3> I've got all sorta GPS devices, but if you don't have that hat, the configuration part of that link is still a good resource
[0:06] <caoliver> The plan is to use gpsd and feed it to chronyd.
[0:06] <caoliver> I think I have NO dedicated GPS devices, and I've no smart phone. This is a first for me.
[0:07] <r3> just need a nice PPS at <5V for the Pi into that GPIO pin
[0:07] <Demannu> caoliver: Oh really, it's fairly straight forward. I was just writing my own notes about setting up my project
[0:07] <r3> if you want NMEA then run in TTL level serial to the Pi on the correct pin
[0:07] <Demannu> caoliver: I'll make it public, give me a little bit
[0:08] <caoliver> My server optiplex has a serial port, but it also as varying loads.
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[0:08] <caoliver> Hence my interest in using a PI for this.
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[0:16] <dreamon> → /dev/mmcblk0p2 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,stripe=32729,data=ordered) → RW
[0:16] <dreamon> fsck already checked. hmm.
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[0:19] <dreamon> Demannu, http://paste.debian.net/996328/ → reinstall python
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[0:23] <Compy_> Hey everyone. I'm working on getting an SDL2 overlay working with videocore (OpenMAX) playback going in the background. Has anyone ever pulled this off? I can't get the SDL2 background to be transparent. I can tweak the opacity in src/video/raspberry/SDL_rpivideo.c but its the opacity of everything, not just the background. I understand this is quite a specific endeavor.
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[0:41] <Compy_> Ah! Great, found it!
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[1:09] <dreamon> Demannu, found the solution.
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[1:11] <dreamon> Demannu, cd usr/lib/python2.7 and rm *.pyc → this deletes all .pcy files. and they were recreated.. great. thanks for your input
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[3:31] <m92> has anyone here successfully installed this? https://github.com/seemoo-lab/nexmon
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[3:47] <newhoa> Hey, I'm looking for keyboard solutions for the raspberry Pi. I'm using an iPazzPort now and I like the form factor, but I don't like it needing batteries and being wireless (security concern).
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[3:47] <newhoa> Do you all have any suggestions for a good tiny keyboard for the Pi? USB preferred I guess.
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[4:21] <Compy_> Does anyone know what format you have to export out of Adobe After Effects in order to encode has the OMX supported h264 format for direct hardware playback?
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[11:51] <nuxil> howdy
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[11:53] <nuxil> i have a question. i have a 5volt MISO signal thats 5V and i need to get it down to 3.3v for my PI.
[11:53] <nuxil> https://gyazo.com/906d254f5ea04a4f77b45f1b69bc106a . which one of these is best to use
[11:53] <nuxil> Left or right or none
[11:55] <ShorTie> a simple resister voltage divider works
[11:55] <nuxil> yea was thinking it would be easyest and best.
[11:55] <nuxil> i dont know if the zener can cause unwanted noise
[11:56] <ShorTie> don't think so
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[12:14] <mfa298> nuxil: resistor divider may limit the speed you can run at, although the zenner option may do that as well (there's also a way to do level conversion with a mosfet and a couple of resistors)
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[12:17] <nuxil> mfa298, high speed is not crusial. a 10000 baud is fast enough
[12:19] <nuxil> mfa298, im making a stk200 programmer for my atme chips where i use pi gip to program them.. so i can even go as low as 1000 baud or lower.
[12:19] <nuxil> *atme -> atmel
[12:20] <nuxil> arg. i cant type
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[12:22] <mfa298> I solved that by running most of may atmegas at 3v3, although I also use proper programmers (I did play with the avrdude direct from pi a couple of times in the early days though)
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[12:24] <nuxil> yea i have one programmer for my atiny85 that runs on 3.3v
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[12:25] <nuxil> but this new board im making has dip socket for both atiny and atmega324. + hv to reset thefuses
[12:27] <pksato> resistor divider work for most RPi use. Zener can add extra capacitance, and down bandwidth.
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[12:33] <nuxil> i quess youre right about it adding extra cap.
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[12:41] <pksato> SOme simulation with voltage divider https://imgur.com/a/DShVJ
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[12:46] <nuxil> yea. voltage dividers changes characteristics, as long as the (R2 || Impedance Of whatever) ~ R1 your fine. else your see it changes.
[12:46] <nuxil> * ~ R2
[12:46] <Blubberbub> what is that program?
[12:48] <pksato> NI Multisim
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[12:57] <H4ndy> 1200€? meh
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[13:19] <nuxil> ltspice ftw :p
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[14:40] <Absalom> A Pixel (window manager) question: is it possible to set the focus policy to the "follow mouse" one? I don't see how to change the focus policy in the menu.
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[14:56] <CyberManifest> hello everyone
[14:57] <CyberManifest> I just installed raspberry pi desktop on Debian
[14:57] <CyberManifest> can anyone kindly tell me the default super user (root) password?
[14:59] <ShorTie> is none
[14:59] <CyberManifest> none as in "none" or none as in blank?
[14:59] <ShorTie> is none
[14:59] <ShorTie> is none
[15:00] <CyberManifest> ShorTie: I came across: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/usage/users.md but "raspberry" didn't work.
[15:00] <BurtyB> Raspbian != Debian would be my guess
[15:01] <ShorTie> that is user pi's password
[15:01] <ShorTie> only way to login on 1st boot
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[15:03] <CyberManifest> https://imgur.com/lPQQdlX
[15:04] <CyberManifest> BurtyB: you feel superior responding to a N00B in programming context != ?
[15:05] <mfa298> CyberManifest: for Raspbian there is no password, you use sudo from the pi user (or any other user you setup that's allowed to sudo)
[15:05] <ShorTie> it's 'sudo su' then 'passwd' to set 1
[15:05] <CyberManifest> thanks mfa298 & ShorTie
[15:06] <mfa298> or 'sudo -i' instead of 'sudo su'
[15:07] <BurtyB> CyberManifest, no - it's just something I've done for decades on IRC
[15:08] <ShorTie> lots off peeps talk programie here
[15:08] <ShorTie> s/off/of/
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[15:15] <CyberManifest> Dragon says: http://dpaste.com/2GFXZ4K
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[15:19] <CyberManifest> is there a graphical way to manage users by default, or will I need to install a package for that?
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[15:25] <ShorTie> package
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[15:32] <aliasunknown> Hello
[15:32] <aliasunknown> anybody know where I can buy rpi zero w in Europe, more than 1 at a time without being part of a kit?
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[15:44] <SpeedEvil> aliasunknown: they are in very limited supply, so you can't.
[15:45] <aliasunknown> will it be like the other versions where later they increase the supply?
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[15:47] <SpeedEvil> No.
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> They have chosen to not sell it in volume.
[15:47] <mfa298> I think they said they might increase supply, but not when (and based on the limits being there for a couple of years don't expect it to change)
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> It's possible that they may be having temporary supply difficulties, but that stretches credibility now.
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> And at some point if you're having sourcing issues selling at one price, if you actually want to sell it you raise the price so you can make it available more generally.
[15:48] <CyberManifest> are there any adverse affects from renaming the "pi" user? I noticed there was a "Login as user 'pi'" under Raspberry Pi Configuration; would this change appropriately if I rename the user?
[15:48] <aliasunknown> ok
[15:48] <mfa298> there was a comment on the forum a while ago that if you really want bulk (i.e. into the 1000s) then it might be possible, but expect to pay more than $10/unit for the ZeroW
[15:49] <mfa298> CyberManifest: try it ? (I don't use autologin on any of my Pi's so that's not an issue)
[15:50] <mfa298> CyberManifest: you may need to manually set autologin for a new user if you want that feature
[15:50] <aliasunknown> thanks
[15:51] <CyberManifest> mfa298: I'm more concerned about breaking things, or making present features ineffective.
[15:51] <CyberManifest> mfa298: don't want that setting to be there and not be able to do anything because I broke it by renaming the user.
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[16:20] <BurtyB> aliasunknown, modmypi is prob the best you're going to get for up to 20 if you pay for soldered headers
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[16:21] <aliasunknown> I wanted the pi zero mostly in order to reduce power consumptions as much as possible
[16:22] <aliasunknown> I only need the i2c and to use a usb 3g dongle
[16:22] <aliasunknown> and bluetooth
[16:25] <aliasunknown> i have a pi 2 and a model A and I was googling for ways to reduce power consumption
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[16:34] <Blubberbub> all the shops that ship zeros here have like a "1 unit pro person"-limit -.-
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[16:34] <mfa298> aliasunknown: zero probably isn't much different to the A+ or power consuption
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[16:45] <Blubberbub> i want it for the USB-mode
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[17:06] <red9> Some tip on power reduction: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blogs/jeff-geerling/raspberry-pi-zero-conserve-energy
[17:08] <red9> But to really get low on power usage you need a external microcontroller that can shut off the RPi power supply. Then you get µA levels. Which is essential for battery and solar power.
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[17:09] <red9> Exploiting sleep modes is a neccessity. Ie wake up do the power hungry stuff - switch off. Sleep for a long time. Then repeat.
[17:10] <red9> RPi is really fucked design when it comes to power usage. Getting below 100 mA is hard. And despite it being a modern ARM processor, it still chews power like crazy.
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> red9, family friendly please.
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> and do bear in-mind that the Pi was never intended to be low power from the outset.
[17:14] <redrabbit> that's what lots of people are after
[17:14] <redrabbit> the rpi0w is mkay for that
[17:14] <red9> it could be low power without sacrificing simplicity or price.
[17:15] <redrabbit> idk about that, but it surely could have more power management functions
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[17:15] <redrabbit> other ARM based boards dont do that much better
[17:15] <red9> Almost every ARM32 microcontroller under the sun manages 10 µA range for sleep mode. While the raspberry won't go below 100 mA without essentially chopping the power cable.
[17:16] <redrabbit> what would be neat is an arm board that includes battery charging, solar power in, power management with deep sleep
[17:16] <ali1234> well it isn't a microcontroller
[17:16] <redrabbit> in the board.
[17:16] <red9> chips, not boards. Boars = designers not doing the right thing obviously.
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[17:16] <red9> +d
[17:16] <ali1234> it isn't a microcontroller chip
[17:16] <redrabbit> its a computer
[17:17] <redrabbit> other (comparable=) ARM based boards dont do that much better = ARM computers
[17:17] <redrabbit> exept cellphones
[17:17] <redrabbit> they definitely destroy other stuff for battery management
[17:20] <red9> 32-bit ARM Cortex-M4/M0 microcontroller LPC43S50 power-down mode = 15 µ
[17:20] <red9> 15 µA
[17:20] <redrabbit> sure but does it runs full functionnal linux
[17:20] <ali1234> no, not even close
[17:20] <redrabbit> im all in for better power management
[17:21] <redrabbit> but its comparing apple with oranges in that case
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[17:22] <redrabbit> atm only option is to use an external microcontroller to power manage the rpi
[17:22] <redrabbit> ei put it to sleep/wake up later etc
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[17:49] <red9> ARM 32-bit SAMA5D2 44.5 µA https://www.microchip.com/mymicrochip/filehandler.aspx?ddocname=en590290 page 2466
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[17:50] <red9> That is with the DDR memory in standby mode ie preserved. So low standby power using a 32-bit ARM with MMU and DRAM is a reality. The RPi designers screwed it up.
[17:51] <red9> Even a simple thing like power cutting MOSFET and some simple trigger mechanism could saved the day. But no..
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[17:52] <Lorduncan> hey brothers
[17:52] <Lorduncan> need some help with a photobooth
[17:52] <Lorduncan> All is working but i need to keep button pressed too long to the python start the loop
[17:53] <Lorduncan> should i make multitasking to handle this?
[17:53] <Lorduncan> 1 thread with the program invinting you to take a photo
[17:53] <Lorduncan> 1 thread with the progam reading the gpio pins
[17:54] <Lorduncan> is that the way or im wrong?
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[18:08] <gordonDrogon> IME you're making life hard for yourself if you think "multitasking" is the way forwar.
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> d
[18:09] <Blubberbub> what is the delay you are experiencing?
[18:09] <red9> Lorduncan, Your problem description is unclear.
[18:10] <Lorduncan> i just dont know how to start. im used to develop for PHP so all is linear. it do 1 then 2 then 3 ....
[18:11] <Lorduncan> In this Photobooth the screen show some messages inviting people to CLick the button to start the taking the pictures.
[18:11] <Blubberbub> python is "slow", but i would be very surprised if it would be "noticable delay after button press slow"
[18:11] <Lorduncan> So i undertand that i need to read that button out of the While true:
[18:12] <Lorduncan> i will upload the code so we can see what im talking about
[18:12] <Lorduncan> im not saying python is slow, is slow the button read , cus is showing the sentences to invite the users to "play"
[18:14] <Lorduncan> https://pastebin.com/MmRgCTXJ
[18:15] <ali1234> use some kind of timer and event loop
[18:15] <Lorduncan> ali1234: something like millis in arduino?
[18:15] <Lorduncan> millis();
[18:16] <ali1234> no
[18:16] <ali1234> nothing like that at all
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[18:16] <Lorduncan> is what im used to use ... PHP and arduino, dont know what should i do on python ... thats why im here
[18:16] <Blubberbub> does the beep occur as soon as you press the button?
[18:17] <Blubberbub> the problem is all the sleeps in your program, i guess... your beep delay delays all the other stuff
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[18:17] <ali1234> the problem is if the button is not pressed it waits 4 seconds before checking it again
[18:17] <Lorduncan> i need to press the button exactly at the moment the "if" start or i need to wait the 2+2 delay seconds at the "else"
[18:17] <ali1234> therefore you can lose button presses shorter than 4 seconds
[18:18] <ali1234> believe it or not, using a separate process just to read button presses isn't actually the worst solution ever
[18:18] <Lorduncan> so user need to " keep pressed the button"
[18:18] <ali1234> you can read() events from its output fd, or select() to non-blocking check if there is an event
[18:18] <ali1234> however, there are many better ways to do it
[18:18] <Lorduncan> ali1234: i just dont know, just tell me what to do and i will try :)
[18:18] <ali1234> i can't just tell you what to do
[18:18] <ali1234> its too complicated for that
[18:19] <Lorduncan> at least the "tag" to search on google to solve this is? "python multitasking"? "pygame event loop"?
[18:20] <Lorduncan> im not english native so its more complicated for me
[18:20] <ali1234> Lorduncan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event-driven_programming
[18:20] <Lorduncan> ok lets check that
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[18:22] <ali1234> the main point of difficulty is dealing with rpi gpio
[18:23] <ali1234> specifically tying together two libraries (pygame and rpi gpio) that both want to own your main loop
[18:23] <ali1234> this is always a big problem
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[18:25] <ali1234> Lorduncan: adafruit has a tutorial here about pygame and rpi gpio: https://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-pygame-ui-basics/overview
[18:26] <Lorduncan> lets take a look at it
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[18:29] <Lorduncan> classes ... uff
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[18:30] <Lorduncan> too much for me... i think im going to "fake solve it" i will put some "if button is pressed" between the 4 seconds, maybe each 0,25 secs ... could be a "dirty solution"
[18:31] <Lorduncan> but i dont have too much time to fix this ... still need fix more stuff
[18:32] <Lorduncan> ali1234: thanks for your help :)
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[18:33] <Lorduncan> any idea how to dont let screen go sleep (screen saver)? i tryed 2 diferent tutorials and it keep turning of the thing ...
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[18:33] <ali1234> they keep changing what you have to do
[18:34] <ali1234> (and by "they" i mean debian developers)
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[18:48] <Latrina> almost done my custom gentoo image for the rpi3
[18:49] <Latrina> alongside with custom kernel
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[19:09] <neops> Minimal image based on Debian Stretch is 32 or 64 bits ? i have raspberry 3
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[19:18] <pepijndevos> Printing \a doesn;t work with the headphone jack
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[19:51] <DrBunsen> Hello, I am using openelec(but my problems happen on all OSs) on a raspberry pi 2, and I had issues with sound stuttering during videoplayback. I fixed that by adding setting hdmi_clock_change_limit=20. Now the problem remains that when I play mp3 files, the sound will stutter. Does anyone know a solution to that?
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[20:59] <Ubuntivity> Hello. is it possible to use a "Pi Cam for RPi 3" on a Raspberry Pi A or A+??
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[21:05] <DrBunsen> Hello, I am using openelec(but my problems happen on all OSs) on a raspberry pi 2, and I had issues with sound stuttering during videoplayback. I fixed that by adding setting hdmi_clock_change_limit=20. Now the problem remains that when I play mp3 files, the sound will stutter. Does anyone know a solution to that?
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[22:55] <tga1> greetings
[22:55] <tga1> does anyone happen to have a good suggestion for cheap i/o modules, preferably ethernet?
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[22:58] <ali1234> tga1: ebay and aliexpress
[22:58] <ali1234> most of the decent modules are i2c
[22:58] <tga1> well, yes, there are a lot of weird relay boards out there
[22:59] <ali1234> relay boards you can just control from gpio
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[23:00] <ali1234> relay boards with ethernet tend to be expensive industrial stuff
[23:00] <tga1> yeah, I've noticed
[23:00] <ali1234> but you can combine an RPi and a cheap relay board to get the same thing
[23:00] <tga1> I found some cheap stuff but it seems to use custom protocols, modbus ones are expensive
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[23:01] <tga1> that's the plan, they can even be transistors, the point is to control ~60 relays for home automation
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[23:12] <tga1> ali1234: know anything about shift registers?
[23:13] <tga1> power shift registers
[23:13] <ali1234> i don't know what power shift registers are
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[23:13] <tga1> https://www.adafruit.com/product/457
[23:14] <tga1> apparently shift registers that give you high-power outputs
[23:14] <red9> check 74595 circuit.
[23:15] <ali1234> i guess its just a shift register with some power transistors
[23:15] <tga1> soo if I have a rpi and a bunch of relays that take a 12V input does this allow me to control them directly?
[23:15] <ali1234> and yeah its going to belogically equivalent to 74*595
[23:15] <ali1234> dunno, check the datasheet limits
[23:15] <tga1> I was looking for expensive things like modbus i/o modules, maybe I don't really need them
[23:16] <ali1234> you don't need anything fancy, no
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> tga1, how many outputs? The PiFace has 3 relays outputs now I think.
[23:16] <tga1> <100
[23:16] <tga1> >50
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> ok, that's ... significant.
[23:16] <tga1> well yeah, home automation stuff, heating
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> lots and lots of wiring for that sort of thing.
[23:16] <ali1234> that thing won't let you drive 12V
[23:17] <ali1234> (not from a pi)
[23:17] <tga1> yeah so what would be a nice cheap solution
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> for that number you probably won't find anything off the shelf... how are you with a soldering iron?
[23:17] <ali1234> how many relays do you need per pi?
[23:18] <ali1234> i assume all 50 relays aren't in the same place
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[23:18] <tga1> all relays are in the same panel
[23:18] <ali1234> hmm
[23:18] <tga1> eventually I want to expose them as outputs to home assistant or similar
[23:18] <tga1> mqtt maybe, modbus, not sure
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> the relays have 12v coils?
[23:18] <red9> One RPi to rule all the relays.
[23:18] <tga1> I think so
[23:19] <ali1234> this is the kind of thing you should be looking at https://www.ereshop.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=738
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> ok. mcp23017 has 16 outputs - connect that to 2 x uln2008. Repeat that for each set of 16 relays.
[23:19] <ali1234> that will let you drive 64 relays from one pi
[23:19] <red9> It should work alright, just use 74595 or cheap ATmega with many I/O. Then ULN driver chips on the output for the coils and back-EMF diode. Done!
[23:19] <ali1234> actually it includes the relays :)
[23:19] <ali1234> and it will only use two GPIO on the pi
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> you can have up to 8 mcp23017's on a Pi, so up to 128 outputs.
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> however, it's a lot of wiring on the relay side.
[23:20] <tga1> err make that 24V, I checked
[23:20] <tga1> well I have to wire the relays to something anyway, don't I
[23:20] <ali1234> you already have all the relays?
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> uln2308's are ok to 24v - it's the total current they care about.
[23:21] <tga1> yup, trying to control an existing installation
[23:21] <tga1> atm they're controlled by a crappy programmable relay thing
[23:21] <tga1> no network, no protocols, only crappy windows drag and drop software
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> lovely...
[23:22] <red9> If the uln2308 won't handle the total current, then just go with transistors. This ain't rocket science. Just soldering grit ;)
[23:22] <ali1234> it might be easier to just rip out the existing stuff and replace it
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[23:22] <tga1> well everything is wired to relays, I am ripping out the control layer
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> so there's no reason you can't use a Pi for this - just that there is nothing off the shelf, so if you're good with a soldering iron, then go for it.
[23:25] <tga1> it's doable, it would be even nicer to find an off the shelf board or module that does this already
[23:25] <ali1234> there's loads of modules that include the relays
[23:25] <ali1234> how are you going to wire into the existing relays anyway?
[23:25] <tga1> patiently?
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> for another project I've made little boards with drivers on them using I2C - each board has a single mcp23017.
[23:25] <ali1234> if you already have a windows PC controlling it, it would probably be easier to just reverse engineer what ever protocol that uses
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> unless there's 100 wires going from the PC to the relays...
[23:26] <ali1234> that's unlikely
[23:26] <ali1234> if relay controller is reprogrammable its probably some kind of microcontroller
[23:27] <ali1234> so you could reflash that to be controlled interactively perhaps
[23:27] <ali1234> depending on what kind of micro it is
[23:27] <tga1> the wiring isn't a problem, all the heaters terminate in a single panel, have their own relays, all in a big terminal block
[23:27] <red9> if there's a MCU on a existing relay board. Rip it out and wire the I/O to another MCU of your choosing. Done.
[23:27] <ali1234> yeah
[23:28] <ali1234> that's the idea
[23:28] <red9> works also for windblows only shit cards. Old MCU with proprietare junk - hasta la vista. MCU with open tool chain in. And some wire wrap = music!
[23:28] <ali1234> but it might be difficult if its all one board
[23:29] <tga1> now I'm getting confused
[23:29] <ali1234> can you just tell us what exact hardware you have right now?
[23:29] <tga1> I think it's safe to ignore the wiring, what I need is to control 100 24V outputs
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[23:33] <ali1234> i suppose its a PLC
[23:35] <tga1> I wish, it's a crappy programmable relay
[23:35] <tga1> useless for anything beyond basic programming, no communication
[23:36] <tga1> you can assume I have 100 switches atm :)
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[23:37] <ali1234> the way i see it you can either spend $400 and replace everything, or design your own relay driver board... which will probably cost you at least $400 before you even factor in the time
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[23:38] <tga1> what do you mean by replace everything though?
[23:38] <tga1> that's what I'm doing
[23:38] <tga1> and a PLC solution would cost way more than $400
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[23:39] <tga1> what I figured was that I'll find some cheap networked i/o modules that I could drive from a single pi
[23:39] <ali1234> rip out the relays and put in new i2c relay boards
[23:39] <tga1> so that's what I was asking about initially
[23:39] <tga1> ah I see
[23:39] <ali1234> instead of trying to replace just the control board
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[23:39] <tga1> sure, that would work too
[23:40] <ali1234> there are lots of cheap modules but they all include therelays as far as i can see
[23:40] <tga1> got a suggestion for a i2c relay board?
[23:40] <ali1234> well i linked one above
[23:40] <tga1> ok, assume the relays are gone too
[23:40] <ali1234> https://www.ereshop.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=738
[23:40] <ali1234> that was just the first one i found
[23:40] <tga1> thanks, I must have missed it
[23:40] <ali1234> it has a configurable address, so you can connect 8 of them to one pi
[23:41] <ali1234> you can get boards with 24 relays per board... all kind of configurations
[23:41] <ali1234> i have no idea if that particular one is any good
[23:41] <tga1> technically I could use these to control the other relays
[23:42] <ali1234> yeah you could
[23:42] * tga1 wonders if 10A is enough
[23:42] <ali1234> 10A is surelly enough to drive another relay :)
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[23:43] <tga1> hah right
[23:43] <tga1> I meant to replace the existing relays
[23:43] <ali1234> well for that you have to do your homework :)
[23:43] <tga1> i2c scales up to as many outputs as I need, right?
[23:43] <tga1> yeah
[23:43] <ali1234> i2c has addresses
[23:43] <ali1234> those boards have jumpers to set the address
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[23:44] <ali1234> that particular board allows 8 different addresses, so you can use 8 of them
[23:44] <tga1> cool, 64 outputs should be enough for everyone
[23:44] <ali1234> and also the pi supports softwware GPIO, so you can connect 8 of those boards for every two gpios on the pi
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[23:44] <ali1234> so in theory you could have hundreds if you wanted
[23:44] <tga1> nice
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[23:45] <tga1> I'm getting into inputs next, I'll probably want a bunch of those too
[23:45] <ali1234> that's a whole other issue :)
[23:45] <tga1> I found a lot of digital input modules
[23:46] <tga1> cheap enough too
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[23:49] <akk> Does eagle run on RPi? What I'm finding in a web search so far looks like no.
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[23:50] <akk> (eagle the PCB CAD program)
[23:50] <ali1234> i dont think there is an ARM version
[23:51] <red9> If Eagle can or is compiled for ARM 32-bit it should be ok.
[23:51] <red9> Or use a free program like KiCad.....
[23:51] <akk> I've never run Eagle, but someone wants to give an Eagle class at our makerspace
[23:52] <akk> and the workstations there are all Pi3, so I wanted to check whether people would have to bring their own laptops.
[23:52] <ali1234> yes then
[23:54] <akk> Thanks, will pass the word.
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[23:58] <red9> I checked Eagle at Evilsoft (Autodesk). It seems x86-64 is the only linux platform supported. So any ARM thing will not run nativly.
[23:58] <red9> However people could run https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bochs which emulates x86, but it may be slow..
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