#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2017-11-24

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:06] <Zardoz> clear
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[2:00] <luxio> anyone know sites that sell rpis and have black friday sales?
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[2:22] <ktokko> is there any use cases for connecting a standard USB A-A cable from the RPI3 to a PC? i suppose we can transfer files through the connected ethernet cable over network?
[2:23] <ktokko> and if any installed configs were on the microSD card, we'd have to modify those back on the PC once the microSD is removed from the RPI3?
[2:23] <plugwash> An A-A cable between a Pi3 and a PC will not do anything useful
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[2:24] <ktokko> not the microUSB for power supply... ah ok plugwash - i saw a comment that the two devices are standalone master's
[2:24] <ktokko> but did see a note about the ethernet aspect if the RPI is connected to the network router port for the PC to see
[2:26] <ktokko> and plugwash - and for the raspbian/noobs related installs, we'd have to shutdown the RPI and remove the microSD and access via separate computer to do any changes?
[2:27] <ktokko> like configuration installs... unless those can be modified directly on the RPI while we're accessing it its connected keyboard.
[2:27] <ktokko> the question was more on best practice steps
[2:28] <ktokko> i'm going to open the RPI packaging in a few hours to start the NOOBS-Rasbian installation from my windows laptop
[2:30] <ktokko> hopefully I can see the RPI after I do the microSD stuff on the computer with a VGA monitor (i have a vga-hdmi adapter) - before inserting the microSD card I am going to "uncomment/remove the # from: hdmi_force_unplug=1" - I also saw the audio 3.5mm output documentation and will do that.
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[2:39] <ktokko> are there any under 16" portable monitors that are RPI3 friendly? i saw a few touch screens... on amazon, there are a few USB powered variants from ASUS & AOC - my power supply is a 2.5A 5.1v adapter
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[2:41] <ktokko> ones you may have tried and confirmed to work ^^
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[7:12] <TheDarkNerd> hey, I mostly just wanted to ask how user-friendly it would be to give Raspbian to someone who is not tech savvy, would mostly be using it for web browsing and maybe word processing, and who I would hope wouldn't bug me to be IT for them after I got their system set up
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[7:12] <TheDarkNerd> never used it myself, or any Linux distro for any period of time
[7:14] <Zardoz> they will need to have some tech knowledge. also know some stuff about Linux and the like. I would not give it to a complete noob.
[7:16] <Zardoz> also eventhough it's good its not to awesome for web stuff. it gets the job done but on a somewhat basic level...
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[7:23] <TheDarkNerd> oh bluh, it looks like my previous messages got swallowed by my internet having issues. I was hoping to give the Pi Zero as a gift, as a more affordable alternative to a PC-on-a-stick. Is there perhaps a more user-friendly distro? Or at least a way to make it more user-friendly for them?
[7:28] <oq> TheDarkNerd: buy them a nuc instead
[7:28] <oq> it may be tempting to see a pi as a cheap desktop option but it's really not powerful enough
[7:29] <TheDarkNerd> hmm, the NUC is outside my Christmas budget. Thanks for the point in the right direction, though
[7:29] <oq> even if they used linux otherwise it would just be frustrating browsing the web
[7:31] <TheDarkNerd> also, thanks for giving me an idea of the thing's power. Didn't really think of web browsing as all that intensive, but I guess it's creeped over the years. Was thinking it'd have the power of the netbooks of several years ago, though I guess that's an overestimate?
[7:31] <Zardoz> yeah I like the NUC Idea
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[7:31] <Zardoz> hey oq ling time
[7:32] <oq> TheDarkNerd: a pi comes nowhere close to the usefulness of a netbook
[7:32] <Zardoz> long*
[7:32] <oq> one being x86 and one being arm
[7:32] <oq> it just doesn't translate
[7:32] <Zardoz> yeah I think some netbooks are a tad better but not by much
[7:32] <oq> the cpu in the pi is the type used in set top boxes
[7:32] <Zardoz> you know a chromebook might not be bad.
[7:33] <Zardoz> or chromebox
[7:33] <oq> a chromebook would be ideal for web browsing/word processing yes
[7:33] <Zardoz> but NUC if you want more versatility with OS.
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[7:37] <TheDarkNerd> I guess there's not really a good solution that's under $100 CAD. Well, thanks for all the help. Good to know the solutions are getting cheaper, at least.
[7:39] <Zardoz> yeah you most like are going to spend about 250ish for anything basic that is good.
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[7:41] <Zardoz> the pi can do stuff, but I would not use it as any main system... you would be in a real bind.
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[7:42] <Zardoz> and then you are going to spend about 100 bucks for a full setup if you can source some free parts.
[7:45] <TheDarkNerd> I have the monitor at least, an HDMI-to-VGA/audio adapter is about $12, I'm sure I could scrounge up a number of the cables, then it's a matter of the keyboard and mouse, though the monitor only has 2 powered USB ports coming off of it, so I'd need another hub to further split things. So I could probably do a full setup for hopefully under $75. But if it's still gonna not be user-friendly, it's a bit of a moot point
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[7:48] <Zardoz> yeah
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[11:31] <MrBusiness> What sort of book/FAQ should I examine if I wanted to design an "OS" for the Pi that essentially just boots into a REPL for a programming language. The only examples I can think of are things such as ColorForth for the x86, the ZX Spectrum, and the C64.
[11:33] <MrBusiness> Thereby granting one to use the power of whatever programming language the REPL reponds to available, along with all the RAM of the Pi, all the cores, and all of the blocks on the microSDC available to the programmer?
[11:34] <MrBusiness> I'm assuming I'd need to write some sort of minimalist booting code to initialize the system and then possibly call some libraries to make 32-bit color and the complete internals of the Pi available to the programmer.
[11:35] <MrBusiness> My interest in doing this is to make a Forth dialect of my own.
[11:37] <Drzacek> MrBusiness, don't think you need to redesign the OS itself
[11:37] <MrBusiness> well, the idea is more that there is no OS
[11:37] <Drzacek> Just make plain raspbian to boot to your REPL (am not really sure what that is, just googled it myself)
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[11:37] <GenteelBen> MrBusiness, are you all business?
[11:37] <MrBusiness> 99.9%
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[11:38] <MrBusiness> I think the rest of me is blood or somesuch
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[11:38] <Drzacek> MrBusiness, then you would need to google for bare metal programming on rpi
[11:38] <MrBusiness> yeah
[11:38] <MrBusiness> I was considering grabbing that book on R. Pi ASM
[11:39] <GenteelBen> You need to read "Raspberry Pi for Business Analysts" by GenteelBen.
[11:39] <MrBusiness> Is that a real book?
[11:40] <GenteelBen> It can be if you want it to be, MrBusiness.
[11:40] <MrBusiness> okay, GenteelBen, please write it
[11:40] * GenteelBen furiously puts pen to paper
[11:40] <MrBusiness> so that I can implement COBOLPi
[11:40] <GenteelBen> First draft should be ready around March.
[11:40] <GenteelBen> lol COBOLPi
[11:40] <GenteelBen> PiBOL
[11:41] <GenteelBen> PiTRAN
[11:41] <MrBusiness> hey, I've written FORTRAN >:[]
[11:41] <GenteelBen> DelPi
[11:41] <MrBusiness> granted, it was one of the worst programming experiences of my life
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> MrBusiness, I did something similar for my BASIC interpreter - however I just hijacked init and let linux boox.
[11:42] <MrBusiness> aah
[11:42] <MrBusiness> so you just have init boot a minimal linux kernel and then throw the user into your BASIC interpreter?
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> I got it down to under 5 seconds - after initialising the keyboard, filing system but not network.
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[11:42] <MrBusiness> Do you have the source code for that on a repo somewhere?
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> no.
[11:42] <MrBusiness> I can see advantages to that approach
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> there's no source for the hacks I did - I just did them as hacks on an already running Pi.
[11:43] <MrBusiness> since that way I could include OpenGL, or a more basic 32-bit graphics lib
[11:43] <MrBusiness> ah
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> the basic (RTB) is just a bit C program that uses SDL.
[11:43] <MrBusiness> what was the impetus for making that?
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> making what? the basic or the boot to basic?
[11:43] <MrBusiness> Yeah, I figured that's how I'd structure my doodad
[11:43] <MrBusiness> the basic interpreter itself
[11:44] <MrBusiness> I mean, the boot to basic sounds a lot like my aim
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> always wanted to write one. because it's there, "how hard can it be", etc.
[11:44] <MrBusiness> of having my "OS" or "unOS" work as close to the metal as possible
[11:44] <MrBusiness> I mean
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> have you looked at RiscOS ?
[11:44] <MrBusiness> my goal is to have a close to the metal Forth interpreter
[11:44] <MrBusiness> a Forth of my own design
[11:45] <MrBusiness> ColorForth for x86 is my inspiration
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> there is a bare metal framework for the Pi now - someone pointed it out to me recently - I think it even has working USB for keyboards, etc.
[11:45] <MrBusiness> since it literally does not one thing more than it needs to
[11:45] <MrBusiness> but also doesn't really have any batteries included
[11:45] <MrBusiness> I doubt it can do 24-bit color
[11:45] <MrBusiness> unless one were to write a VGA driver
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> have you seen the Fignition project?
[11:46] <MrBusiness> I have not
[11:46] <MrBusiness> I shall examine this
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> it's forth + colour vga on an Arduino.
[11:46] <MrBusiness> if I can find it
[11:46] <MrBusiness> ooh
[11:46] <MrBusiness> that sounds segzy
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> hm. might not be colour - would need to check.
[11:47] <MrBusiness> hm
[11:47] <MrBusiness> seems like it might be its own SoC
[11:47] <MrBusiness> https://sites.google.com/site/libby8dev/fignition/FIGnitionRevEBuiltSmall.jpg?attredirects=0
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> https://sites.google.com/site/libby8dev/fignition
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> it's an ATmega - arduino.
[11:47] <MrBusiness> that doesn't look like any sort of SoC I've ever seen
[11:47] <MrBusiness> ah
[11:47] <MrBusiness> but clearly there must be more to it than just the ATMega
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> I met the chap behind it a few years ago too..
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> not really - armega + spi flash memory.
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> and some clever code to do the vga output - monochrome by the looks of it though.
[11:48] <MrBusiness> Frankly, if TempleOS is any indication, then getting 24-bit or 32-bit color on an x86 or x86_64 is challenging
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> actually looks like PAL video rather than vga.
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[11:49] <MrBusiness> yeah, those are definitely composite connectors on that thing
[11:49] <MrBusiness> though I dunno how much difference there is between some VGA modes and composite video
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> you've never heard of the ZX80 or 81 then? they did video output in software too - 40 years ago.
[11:49] <MrBusiness> I'd like to know, but my copy of Michael Abrash's Graphics Programming Black Book is tremendous
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> if you want vga, then these days, bolt on a propellor chip for a video controller.
[11:50] <MrBusiness> probably take me two years to read the whole thing
[11:50] <MrBusiness> but it has just more information about VGA than I've ever seen anywhere
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[11:50] <gordonDrogon> I did a lot of forth once upon a time, but I've no desire to use it again.
[11:50] <MrBusiness> I got my copy for $0.00 USD
[11:51] <MrBusiness> I wanted to toy with Forth back when I worked with SPARC machines running OpenBoot, but I never really got a chance, and frankly, OpenBoot doesn't seem to adhere to a strictly postfix syntax
[11:51] * gordonDrogon shudders.
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> I ported that to a new sparc system many moons ago.
[11:52] <MrBusiness> Actually, on CrowdSupply someone is making a SoC with a 6502, a Z80, and a 68k
[11:52] <MrBusiness> granted, it's in the pre-funding stage
[11:52] <MrBusiness> but I'm excited to see what comes of it
[11:52] <MrBusiness> hopefully it will be inexpensive
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> these days, putting together a micro with an old 8-bit cpu is relatively easy.
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> if you have some good/basic electronics ken.
[11:53] <MrBusiness> yeah, key word, "relative"
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[11:53] <MrBusiness> I have yet to obtain soldering skills
[11:53] <MrBusiness> and I have no idea how to lay out a PCB
[11:53] <MrBusiness> really should have majored in computer engineering
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> you can do most of it on a breadboard..
[11:54] <MrBusiness> ah, well, that's promising
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> there are shed-loads of videos on youtube now with people making little things like that.
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> I used to do stuff like this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/6502back.jpg http://unicorn.drogon.net/6502front.jpg
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> I had an electric wire-wrap gun though. it really made life much easier then...
[11:55] <MrBusiness> There's another CS project coming up. It's some kind of oven for cooking PCBs in such a way that it melts down the copper and runs the leads
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> you want to melt copper? yikes ...
[11:55] <MrBusiness> wow, these are interesting
[11:55] <MrBusiness> well, I may be misrepresenting it
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> (that board is about 35 years old)
[11:55] <MrBusiness> again, I know very little about how to make a PCB
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> you may be thinking of converting a "toaster oven" into a surface mount flow oven.
[11:56] <MrBusiness> gotta admit, the back is vaguely rat-nest-esque
[11:56] <MrBusiness> but not nearly as bad as some of the TTL garbage I crapped out for my digital logic course in college
[11:56] <MrBusiness> I have pictures of those abominations somewhere
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> I have a Pi on an oven. I use it to bake bread though: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi-controlled-oven/
[11:57] <MrBusiness> Intriguing
[11:57] <darsie> Is an air dryer too hot for a pi cam? I want to soften the lens glue.
[11:58] <darsie> hair dryer*
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> darsie, probably not, but let us know how you got on ...
[11:58] <darsie> ok :)
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> and do note that some glues simply don't soften with heat...
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[11:59] <darsie> There don't seem to be any electrolytics or other particularly heat sensitive components.
[11:59] <darsie> The glue is semi soft.
[11:59] <MrBusiness> I hope eventually to accumulate the knowhow necessary to build something that I imagine to be fairly complex: a Pi-controlled, daisy-chaining smart solar collector that pivots and rotates the solar panel to keep it optimally angled towards the sun
[11:59] <MrBusiness> along with a kit to either jam the panels into the ground or mount them to porches
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> sometimes you just need a clockwork timer..
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[12:00] <MrBusiness> and then eventually run them into a bank of 12V Gel batteries
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[12:00] <MrBusiness> well, I reckon my system would do well to know the weather, the time of year, its relative geographic position
[12:00] <MrBusiness> probably some other information I haven't thought of yet
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[12:01] <MrBusiness> frankly, I still need to get a list of parts necessary to build a relatively fixed-position solar collector with one 12V gel battery, of the sort demonstrated to me by an inventor once
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[12:02] <MrBusiness> he gave me a list of parts, but unfortunately the phone I had the list on was tapped or hacked or something and I had to get rid of it
[12:02] <MrBusiness> and in my state of extreme fear I didn't think to write down the list
[12:02] <MrBusiness> which was real dumb of me
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> the easy way is to buy a cheap MPPT controller via some online shop
[12:03] <MrBusiness> well, I guess what was most impressive about his design was that it was built entirely out of parts from harbor freight
[12:03] <MrBusiness> which implies that it was relatively cheap
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[12:03] <MrBusiness> he even gave me a dual-pane solar collector
[12:05] <MrBusiness> last I heard he wasn't doing so hot health-wise, and I'm pretty confident that I'm unwelcome there now, since the Mother of the friend of mine I met this fellow through (my friend's step-father) seems to feel that said friend's less-than-savory proclivities are somehow my fault.
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[12:09] <gordonDrogon> whois sbcglobal.net
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> dolp!
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[12:12] <MrBusiness> but yeah, I guess I also just like the idea of starting with a relatively bare metal system like a traditional Forth where I can write Forth words in Forth or in ASM for the circumstances where I need to access certain things to provide higher-level features.
[12:12] <MrBusiness> But I'm sure that this Forth will probably be at least partially written in C, at least for the core
[12:13] <MrBusiness> frankly, I'd just get a GreenArrays GA-144, but sadly they're out of evaluation boards for sale
[12:13] <MrBusiness> and even then, those boards can only be accessed over serial console
[12:13] <MrBusiness> so no 32-bit graphics of any sort
[12:14] <MrBusiness> but I'm interested in exploring what can be done, given one Lua-like Forth "instance" per logical core, with no shared memory between each Forth instance, save one or more messaging stacks
[12:15] <MrBusiness> The GA-144 supposedly has not merely 144 cores but 144 computers
[12:15] <MrBusiness> I'd elaborate more, but recent updates to Firefox have made the GreenArrays whitepaper .pdf files get along poorly with PDF.js
[12:15] <MrBusiness> guess I should find a different .pdf viewer.
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> I use xpdf.
[12:17] <MrBusiness> I saw a few on alternativeto that looked pretty good
[12:17] <MrBusiness> powerful annotation features
[12:18] <MrBusiness> incidentally, the one that seemed like it would be the best had a feature to export annotations
[12:18] <MrBusiness> I already have an older version of Evince kicking around on here somewhere
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> so what you're after is a ready-made board with keyboard input and video output?
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> something that you can bare-bones program and load up your own thing...
[12:19] <MrBusiness> Yeah. I guess maybe something like a modern Jupiter Ace
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> you can get them on ebay - �1500 is about the going rate...
[12:19] <MrBusiness> I mean, ColorForth was implemented in not very much code at all
[12:19] <MrBusiness> yeah, Jupiter Aces cost a mint now
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> bbc micros are cheap though.
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[12:20] <gordonDrogon> don't think I did forth on a beeb. Did a lot on the Apple II in Graforth.
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> that has 3d wire-frame type animations.
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[12:21] <MrBusiness> I was thinking I'd aim for a TI-99/4A as my first microcomputer to collect
[12:22] <MrBusiness> since they're surprisingly cheap and have some interesting hardware peripherals that are also cheap
[12:22] <MrBusiness> no Forth though
[12:22] <MrBusiness> I'll examine the BBC Micro
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> https://github.com/rsta2/circle
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> that might have been what I was thinking of earlier.
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> if you wrote the forth core in c/c++ then that might work on a Pi for you.
[12:23] <MrBusiness> The only two UK Micros I'd planned to grab were the Jupiter Ace and a ZX Spectrum (and a ZX Spectrum 128k with the nicer keyboard and the integrated cassette deck)
[12:23] <MrBusiness> Yeah, that's about what I was thinking of doing
[12:24] <MrBusiness> probably write the core in clean C, ala the Lua interpreter
[12:24] <MrBusiness> maybe study the Lua interpreter so that I can provide the same sort of memory guarantees
[12:24] <MrBusiness> and then look for some low-level libraries for system reflection
[12:24] <MrBusiness> so I can figure out how many cores there are
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> there is a C for the z80/6502 but it's limited/limiting.
[12:25] <MrBusiness> oh, well, that SoC with those chips on it is another matter altogether
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[12:25] <MrBusiness> for those I'd probably look at dev kits for C64, Game Boy, NES, and I guess the Sega Master System
[12:25] <shauno> C on the z80 works much better if you build on something else. z88dk on your PC, for example
[12:25] <MrBusiness> I have no clue which computers/game consoles used the 68k off the top of my head
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> Atari.
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> and Amiga.
[12:26] <MrBusiness> build on something else and let it optimize it into tight machine code?
[12:26] <MrBusiness> Which Ataris?
[12:26] <MrBusiness> surely not the 2600
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> the ST was 68K based IIRC.
[12:26] <MrBusiness> ah, okay
[12:26] <shauno> the sega megadrive (genesis in the US) was 68k too
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> not a console.
[12:26] <MrBusiness> okay
[12:26] <MrBusiness> I thought that the Genesis had a 68k
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> you really don't want to code for the 2600.
[12:27] <MrBusiness> though now I wonder what the Master System had in it
[12:27] <shauno> I kinda wish I could code for the 2600. it sounds like pure witchcraft
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> it's 6502, but quite limited.
[12:27] <MrBusiness> I recall reading somewhere that the progression of Sega consoles up through the Saturn saw an accumulation of microprocessors, wherein each successive console gained a new CPU, but also contained the CPUs from the old consoles, just assigned to different, secondary roles
[12:28] <shauno> it's almost entirely the timing for the TIA. every single thing you do has to be timed around what the beam scan is doing at the time
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> a bit like the old zx80..
[12:28] <MrBusiness> did the Game Boy Color use a Z80? If so, was it a fancier Z80, or just the same old Z80?
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[12:28] <gordonDrogon> sticking to me pdp-8 for now. lost too many brain cells to old micros..
[12:28] <MrBusiness> Because I feel as though all of the microprocessors on that weird SoC have probably been _slightly_ updated in the years since their invention
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[12:29] <MrBusiness> Yeah, I probably won't end up doing much with that triple microcontroller SoC
[12:29] <shauno> some have. the z180 replaces the z80 (mostly), etc
[12:30] <MrBusiness> if I were going to program on a contemporary-ish game console, I'd probably pick the Gameboy Advance or the Playstation 2
[12:30] <MrBusiness> I knew a fellow once who made some pretty decent demo games on both.
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> most 8-bit micros are the same today that they were 40 years ago...
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> some a bit faster, some re-done in verilog for inclusion in other stuff...
[12:30] <MrBusiness> The GBA game was a platformer and the PS2 game was a weird shmup
[12:30] <shauno> the original cores tend to still be around, but .. eg for the z80, I know there's a whole SoC based on it now
[12:31] <shauno> instead of the ctc, dma, sio, etc all being different chips, you can get it all in one package now
[12:31] * gordonDrogon nods.
[12:31] <MrBusiness> yeah, if anything, I'll probably end up trying to implement a specialized ASIC or FPGA video card built around speeding up calculations involving voxels and ray/path/cone-tracing
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[12:31] <MrBusiness> just gotta remember my Verilog from school
[12:31] <MrBusiness> and find my book on Verilog
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[12:32] <MrBusiness> and read a lot of .pdf files I've found on the subject of voxel graphics and ray/path/cone-tracing
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[12:32] <gordonDrogon> I did a raycaster in basic recently.
[12:32] <MrBusiness> then define some sort of API, since there's no OpenGL for voxels
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> it's at the point were I could write a doom-line game in basic rather than x86 assembler...
[12:33] <MrBusiness> ultimately, the exercise will be academic
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> actually, my basic on a Pi is faster than my pdp-8 running the same program in assembler ...
[12:34] <MrBusiness> thouh frankly, I'd probably save time just reading the OpenGL orange book and an OpenCL book and implementing my voxel rendering API via the shader pipeline
[12:34] <MrBusiness> isn't a PDP-8 a rather old, tremendous computer?
[12:34] <MrBusiness> or is the PSP-8 newer than a PDP-11?
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> the pdp-8 dates from 1965.
[12:35] <shauno> the 8's older. the pdp8 is 60's, the pdp11 is 70's
[12:35] <MrBusiness> I played Space War on a PDP-11 at the computer history museum in some section of Silicon Valley in California. The presentation came complete with two of the people who originally wrote Space War. It was quite a time.
[12:36] <MrBusiness> so wait, are you saying you actually have a PDP-8 somewhere in your home?
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[12:36] <MrBusiness> and if so, what the heck is your electric bill like?
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> and a PiDP8 (or 2) which are emulators with a Pi 0 inside.
[12:36] <MrBusiness> also, does it have an awesome radar screen for output similar to the PDP-11?
[12:36] <MrBusiness> interesting
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> my electric bill? it's fine. my computing hobby is nothing compared to my bakery hobby.
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> in the bakery I can run 9KW of ovens for several hours each morning.
[12:37] <MrBusiness> when I get my 3D printer, maybe I should make some cases that resemble old micros and a few DEC PDPs
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> and my '8 is an 8a which was the last generation and relatively low-power - 500watts or less.
[12:37] <MrBusiness> the PDPs could be for stacks of Pis
[12:37] <MrBusiness> much more stylish than the current crop of acrylic + standoff cases
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[12:38] <MrBusiness> hm, wow, that is pretty low power
[12:38] <MrBusiness> I mean, I'm trying to build a parts list for an AMD 1950x
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> https://youtu.be/qFt_9LsAgso is the PiDP8 above a PDP-8/f.
[12:38] <MrBusiness> and I think I've got something like 1200 - 1500 Watts of PSU crammed into the thing
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> the PiDP8's are a kit of bits to solder up and put a Pi0 inside to emulate an 8i
[12:40] <MrBusiness> come to think of it, I still need to compare the manuals between two high-end CoolerMaster PSUs. Some of their offerings have Bluetooth connectivity, and I cannot precisely fathom/remember what difference the bluetooth makes
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> the 8a is somewhat dull by comparison: http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20171122_113821.jpg
[12:40] <MrBusiness> oh, wow
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> sometimes you just want a power supply that gives power.
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[12:40] <MrBusiness> this is a lot less tremendous than the PDP-11 I played Space War on
[12:41] <MrBusiness> that machine was probably kitted out with tons of accessories though
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> well - that's just the cpu module.
[12:41] <MrBusiness> the other thing I'd like to make with my 3D printer is functioning, plastic replicas of Curta mechanical calculators
[12:41] <MrBusiness> assuming I can translate VRML into CAD.
[12:41] <MrBusiness> ah, that reminds me, gotta get myself some good VRML books.
[12:42] <MrBusiness> The newest one I've found dates to 1996
[12:42] <MrBusiness> which is nice, in some respects
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> I', not sure spacewar! made it to the 11. It might have been an 8 or 12 you were using.
[12:42] <MrBusiness> no risk of the standard changing out from under my feet
[12:42] <MrBusiness> hm
[12:42] <MrBusiness> I just remember that the machine was very large and blue
[12:42] <MrBusiness> and it had a radar screen for its output
[12:43] <MrBusiness> which created an interesting visual effect
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> that was an option for the 1, 8 and 12.
[12:43] <MrBusiness> because it took a while for the phosphors to fade
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> Curta's are on ebay regularly.
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[12:43] <MrBusiness> welp, I have no idea what it was then
[12:44] <MrBusiness> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQk9jqxY_UY
[12:44] <MrBusiness> that's exactly what I played it on
[12:44] <MrBusiness> in exactly the place I played it
[12:44] <MrBusiness> a PDP-1 maybe
[12:44] <MrBusiness> ah, yeah, you get a good look at it towards the end
[12:45] <MrBusiness> okay, yeah, PDP-1
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> I'll get one one day. until then I have a Nippon hand crank.
[12:45] <MrBusiness> yep
[12:45] <MrBusiness> that's it
[12:45] <MrBusiness> same joysticks and everything
[12:45] <MrBusiness> what's a Nippon hand crank?
[12:46] <MrBusiness> "Bill Gates and the PDP-1"
[12:46] <MrBusiness> hah
[12:46] <MrBusiness> I bet that's a funny video
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> http://www.vintagecalculators.com/html/busicom.html
[12:46] <MrBusiness> my old man has some kind of sheet-metal encased machine in the attic. I'm sure it's a pre-286 Intel
[12:47] <MrBusiness> 8086, or an 8088, I'm not really sure.
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> I'm not personally interested in anything that new :)
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> hm. more coffee needed!
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[12:54] <MrBusiness> dang gordonDrogon, if you're not interested in anything that new, then what the heck are you doing playing with Raspberry Pis?
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[12:55] <MrBusiness> I mean, heck the R. Pi is more powerful than my Pentium III and probably my Pentium 4 as well
[12:56] <MrBusiness> in fact, hm... wish there was some way to put ReactOS on the Pi. Build a fake GLIDE driver and then try to run Ultima 9 on it.
[12:56] <MrBusiness> then I could get rid of my P3
[12:56] <MrBusiness> though I'd probably keep some of its peripherals
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[12:58] <MrBusiness> such as its 3Dfx card. Either that machine or my P4 (back when it had a last-gen Voodoo card in it) came with a rad little attachment I've been wanting to try out on a different machine. It takes two inputs, either VGA or DVI, and then outputs two a pair of stereo composite outputs.
[12:58] <MrBusiness> if it works with any GPU then that'll be a fun cable when I build up my "History of Displays" wall
[12:59] <MrBusiness> With the right hat, I might even be able to get a Pi to output to my pair of 13" televisions.
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[13:01] <MrBusiness> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EWQYAfuMYw ah, this video really shows off the PDP-1 and its radar screen
[13:01] <MrBusiness> somehow I feel as though I missed out on scoring a lot of interesting analog electronics a few years back when I was scouring garage sales in Colorado Springs.
[13:02] <mine9> heh
[13:03] <MrBusiness> alas, I was too stupid to find the make and model of the devices I was looking at to decide whether or not I was staring at solid gold
[13:03] <mine9> seems like sources for such things are really drying up unless you have good contacts, or are willing to buy large auction lots and sort through them
[13:03] <MrBusiness> If I'd kept better tabs on one of my friends from the first contract I worked on I probably could have laid hands on several mint-condition 486-es (and possibly some Cyrix 586-es)
[13:04] <MrBusiness> as well as a bunch of DOS games new, in box
[13:04] <mine9> Boeing surplus store up in Seattle closed like a decade ago
[13:04] <MrBusiness> her husband was hoarding them in preparation for retirement
[13:04] <MrBusiness> but then he just got rid of them all
[13:04] <mine9> lost a lot of the local surplus stores here in the PDX area over the last several years, there's only one good one left on the far west end of town
[13:04] <MrBusiness> had she told me, or had I known, I would have swooped in and ganked as much of that hardware and software as I could
[13:05] <mine9> I find myself getting stuck ordering stuff from Digikey or eBay when I need random parts since there are fewer and fewer local sources
[13:05] <MrBusiness> any of the games I didn't care about could probably have netted me some mad money on Ebay
[13:05] <MrBusiness> they probably threw out a fortune without realizing it
[13:05] <MrBusiness> I was amazed at how meticulously it was hoarded and organized
[13:05] <MrBusiness> truly, the machines were in perfect shape
[13:05] <MrBusiness> I'd still love to own a few Cyrix machines
[13:06] <mine9> well that's the key, if it's not organized then it's pretty much worthless unless someone wants to spend the time figuring it all out
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> MrBusiness, I'm not interested in collecting anything that new - and I'm using my Pi's to emulate old stuff - like BASIC.
[13:06] <MrBusiness> which preparation of BASIC?
[13:06] <MrBusiness> I'd imagine that Basic differs depending on which computer one is mucking about with
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> my own.
[13:06] <MrBusiness> ah
[13:06] <MrBusiness> interesting
[13:06] <MrBusiness> I've never used basic
[13:07] <MrBusiness> C++ was my first programming language
[13:07] <mine9> I can't say I miss BASIC much
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> but I started with basic on a dial-up system, then Apple/per/trash 80, then moved on to other stuff.
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> I did a year of c++ once upon a time. not looked back.
[13:07] <MrBusiness> I never programmed anything until college because I believed adults who told me that because I'm not good at the maths I'd find programming too difficult.
[13:08] <MrBusiness> Yeah, C++ has a lot of warts
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> my basic interpreter is written in C.
[13:08] <MrBusiness> I wish they'd just scrap all of the template syntax and steal as much of D 2.0's template and compile-time syntax as humanly possible.
[13:09] <MrBusiness> because D makes templates and compile-time directives really, really nice
[13:09] <MrBusiness> sadly, D seems to be restricted to x86 and AMD64/x86_64 unless one uses gdc, which is always a few versions behind.
[13:10] <MrBusiness> btw, I was very good at Spacewar when I played it on that PDP-1
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[13:10] <MrBusiness> I was able to use the gravity of the little star in the center of the screen to noteworthy effect
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[13:10] <MrBusiness> such as flinging myself around the star
[13:11] <MrBusiness> I think I was also able to alter the trajectory of my shots, but I honestly can't remember if the shots were affected by gravity or not
[13:11] <MrBusiness> I wonder what sort of interface or BUS those big, wooden joysticks run on
[13:12] <MrBusiness> probably something like huge, parallel printer cables
[13:12] <MrBusiness> or something so old that I wasn't alive when it was in vogue
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[13:13] <MrBusiness> or they're custom-built TTL digital logic circuits inside those wooden boxes
[13:13] <MrBusiness> since I'd guess that the PDP-1 predates CMOS
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[13:14] <MrBusiness> oh, wait, I think I know what's in that sheet metal computer case in my folks' attic
[13:15] <MrBusiness> I think it's one of my Father's transputers
[13:15] <mine9> only by a few years
[13:15] <mine9> PDP-1 is from 59, CMOS IC's came out in 68
[13:15] <MrBusiness> dang
[13:15] <mine9> 59... damn that first PDP is old
[13:15] <MrBusiness> didn't realize that CMOS was that old
[13:15] <mine9> I have a PDP-11/84 in the basement that doesn't work
[13:16] <MrBusiness> wasn't the original Apple built with TTL chips?
[13:16] <mine9> haven't had the time or energy to fix it... stops a few steps short of finishing the boot checks
[13:16] <MrBusiness> once I get myself a proper library set up in here I think I'll gank my Father's TTL and Transputer books
[13:17] <MrBusiness> frankly though, as practical projects go, I need to get my soldering skills up to snuff enough that I can crack open my NES and resolder it. That and maybe yank out its old capacitors and replace them with solid-state capacitors of equivalent farads
[13:18] <MrBusiness> not that it matters, really. I could probably just get an NES-style Pi 3 case and fit the entire NES library onto a 32GB microSD
[13:19] <MrBusiness> same probably holds for the SNES
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[13:19] <MrBusiness> the N64 may necessitate a 128GB SDC
[13:20] <MrBusiness> shame there are no cases based on Sega or Sony consoles
[13:20] <MrBusiness> at least none that I've found.
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> mine9, neat :)
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> mine9, the first unix I used was on a pdp11/40
[13:21] <mine9> nice
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> MrBusiness, transputers? I know them well.
[13:21] <MrBusiness> Yeah
[13:21] <mine9> I guess the first for me was the library's dial-up card catalog which ran on an HP-UX system
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> they're an intersting historical curiosity.
[13:21] <mine9> but it dumped you into a menu with no command prompt
[13:21] <MrBusiness> My old man used to use 'em to accelerate the calculations on his statistical programs, I reckon.
[13:22] <MrBusiness> I've watched a few videos about transputers
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> they were fast at the time, but really didn't keep up.
[13:22] <MrBusiness> that's what I gather
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[13:32] <darsie> gordonDrogon: With the hairdryer I could turn the lens very slowly till the glue broke and I could turn it better but still kinda hard.
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[13:33] <darsie> Temp was about 65 C.
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> darsie, so now you have the camera without lens ... what's the plan?
[13:36] <darsie> No, I turned it a bit further out so to focus closer.
[13:36] <darsie> Not to infinity.
[13:37] <darsie> gordonDrogon: http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/testbild.jpg
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[13:43] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[15:16] <EvilDMP> I am playing about with Volumio http://volumio.org, a fairly acceptable music player package. I use it with a USB drive, where it creates a directory called "music" - but I find I can't modify this directory, it's always "Device or resource busy"
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[15:17] <EvilDMP> lsof doesn't reveal that anything is actually using it
[15:18] <EvilDMP> Any other suggestions?
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[15:18] <Zardoz> sounds very spsific to the package.
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[15:19] <Zardoz> looks like they have a fourms
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[15:21] <Zardoz> looks like you need to have an account so I cant look...
[15:22] <EvilDMP> Zardoz: I don't think an account is necessary, I don't have one and have trawled through them looking for answers already
[15:23] <EvilDMP> But I also think this must be a basic question about resource locking
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[15:24] <Zardoz> sure but the pi does not do that normail so it must be somthing with the software that is locking it... still looking
[15:26] <Zardoz> ah looks like its creating a Symbolic link to your music
[15:26] <Zardoz> cd /var/lib/mpd/music
[15:27] <Zardoz> 2. Create a symbolic link. Replace "music dir" including ""
[15:27] <Zardoz> CODE: SELECT ALL
[15:27] <Zardoz> ln -s "music dir"
[15:28] <Zardoz> not sure how that works but thats what it's doing.
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[15:29] <Zardoz> it's kind of like a shot cut
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[15:48] <EvilDMP> Zardoz: thanks, I will check it out
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[17:22] <EvilDMP> Zardoz: *where* did you ascertain what it is doing?
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[17:50] <vicatcu> hey all, can anyone point me at a way to connect raspberry pi to an ssid / password without the use of an editor (i.e. programmatically / by executing scripts only)
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[17:53] * ShorTie wonders, 'without the use of an editor' how do you input the password
[17:55] <akk> You could write a script that modifies wpa_supplicant.conf just like an editor would, if that's what you're asking.
[17:55] <vicatcu> yea just don't want to re-invent he wheel if canonical methods exist
[17:55] <akk> Or you can run programs like iwconfig and ifup from a script -- I have python scripts that do that but I haven't tested them on raspbian.
[17:56] <vicatcu> iwconfig iirc only works for wep
[17:56] <akk> On regular (non-raspbian) distros it works for wpa, but as I said I haven't tested on raspbian.
[17:57] <akk> Don't know why raspbian would be different, though.
[17:58] <ShorTie> there is nothing special about rasbian, other the being compiled armv6
[17:58] <akk> It tends to configure its networking differently from regular debian, centering everything around wpa_supplicant.
[17:59] <akk> But I'd expect the underlying programs work the same.
[17:59] <vicatcu> re-writing wpa_supplicant.conf programmatically is no big deal to me
[18:00] <vicatcu> after doing that just sudo ifdown wlan0 && sudo ifup wlan0?
[18:00] <ShorTie> sed or echo can do it all ,, :/~
[18:00] <vicatcu> sure :+1:
[18:00] <akk> On stretch, what's the right way to stop lircd, the equivalent of sudo service lirc stop on jessie?
[18:03] <akk> Maybe sudo systemctl stop [something] but I'm not sure how to find out the right [something]
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[18:08] <Lartza> akk, lircd
[18:08] <akk> Great, thanks, Lartza
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[18:15] <Johnjay> anybody tried running plan9 from bell labs on the raspberry pi?
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[18:22] <gordonDrogon> not many I suspect ..
[18:24] <ShorTie> if any, developed by the Computing Sciences Research Center at Bell Labs between the mid-1980s and 2002
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> the plan 9 forum is here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=80
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> last post in 2016 though.
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[18:25] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, oh, it's "a thing" for the Pi and was well publicised when it was made available.
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> just not as popular as RiscOS ..
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> (which says something)
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[18:28] <Johnjay> there's a subforum for it lol?
[18:28] <Johnjay> i haven't been on the raspberry pi forums at all to be fair
[18:28] <Johnjay> is there a forum for projects people are working on
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[18:36] <akk> Anyone used an IR remote on stretch? I had it working in jessie, but in stretch mode2 -d /dev/lirc0 isn't seeing any button presses.
[18:36] <victorhck> openSUSE Tumbleweed JeOS in my Rp https://quitter.no/file/70adcc94a1c0ed4ae4b31c7f78fedaaa1d3f60e3f5ddae2cbc06ed152d518b85.png
[18:36] <victorhck> :)
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[18:39] <Cyp_> Is it impossible for the Raspberry pi 2 to ever get 60 FPS? Doing literally nothing but glClearColor()/glClear(), it gets around 43 FPS.
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[18:44] <darsie> Cyp_: Try glxgears.
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[18:46] <Johnjay> what's the difference between raspbian and the debian armhf image?
[18:46] <Johnjay> i foret
[18:46] <Johnjay> *forget
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[18:47] <Cyp_> darsie: 45 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8.939 FPS
[18:47] <Cyp_> (With glxgears.)
[18:47] <shauno> nice
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[18:48] <darsie> Cyp_: I meant glxgears itself.
[18:48] <_DimVar_> Hello guys, I used to simulate raspberrypi to my laptop with the ethernet cable and I just noticed today that I cannot connect to putty anymore. I tried to connect and check it by connecting it with an hdmi cable and I noticed that it didn't boot at all, I took out the micro sd of my rp put it to my laptop and checked if the files were still on the micro sd and they seemed to be there, any help?
[18:48] <Cyp_> That was printed by glxgears.
[18:48] <_DimVar_> I also tried to disable firewall with no success
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[18:49] <gordonDrogon> Johnjay, raspbian has the Pixel desktop with Raspberry Pi additions and it might be compiled with a few more optimisation flags than Debian
[18:50] <Lartza> Isn't raspbian also armv6 and debian armv7
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[18:52] <Johnjay> yeah i thought there was some difference there. i noticed my sd card had debian on it and i forgot why i installed it
[18:52] <Johnjay> on both systems my internet browsers keep locking the system though like ch romium and firefox
[18:52] <Johnjay> so i only use w3m and elinks if possible
[18:52] <Johnjay> like total freeze while trying to read from the sd card
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[18:55] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, that too, but the re-compile for the v6 included the hardware floating point - debians didn't at the time.
[18:56] <Cyp_> Anyway, since glxgears doesn't reach more than 45 FPS, I guess 60 is way out of the question, then.
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[18:56] <gordonDrogon> Cyp_, I suppose I could say something along the lines of: what did you expect for $35, but it seems churlish. It runs quake - what more do you want :)
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[18:58] <Cyp_> Also, all my textures are black. SDL2_image seems to be completely broken.
[18:58] <Johnjay> heaven forbid you be churlish you rogue
[18:58] <Johnjay> Cyp_: what does glxinfo | grep renderer say?
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[19:01] <Cyp_> # DISPLAY=:0 glxinfo | grep renderer
[19:01] <Cyp_> GLX_MESA_multithread_makecurrent, GLX_MESA_query_renderer,
[19:01] <Cyp_> GLX_MESA_multithread_makecurrent, GLX_MESA_query_renderer,
[19:01] <Cyp_> OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 128 bits)
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[19:01] <Johnjay> gallium is the software renderer so yeah that makes sense
[19:02] <Cyp_> But it says gallium on my desktop machine, too – OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RV710 (DRM 2.50.0 / 4.12.12-gentoo, LLVM 3.9.1)
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[19:06] <Cyp_> "glxinfo | grep direct" says "direct rendering: Yes" on the raspberry and on my desktop.
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[19:09] <Cyp_> On my desktop, "glxgears -geometry 1920x1200" gives around 47 FPS and "LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 glxgears -geometry 1920x1200" gives around 54 FPS??!
[19:12] <Cyp_> I thought hardware rendering was supposed to be faster than software rendering. I guess I'm confused.
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[19:21] <Johnjay> oh my rpi 3 i get Gallium 0.4 VC4 V3D 2.1
[19:22] <Johnjay> llvmpipe must be the software renderer then
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[19:22] <Johnjay> idk maybe ask in #opengl?
[19:22] <darsie> On my PC I get 8000 pfs with the original size glxgears.
[19:22] <darsie> fps*
[19:23] <zleap> what is Gallium 0,4 vc4 v3d 2.1 ?
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[19:23] <Johnjay> gallium is from mesa does opengl. vc4 is the broadcom gpu. 2.1 is the opengl version i think
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[19:24] <Johnjay> i'm a little confused though if that refers to openGL ES or open gl
[19:24] <akk> Lartza: That systemctl stop lircd worked great for one session, but systemctl disable lircd doesn't disable it permanently.
[19:25] <akk> Any suggestions on how to keep it from running after a reboot?
[19:25] <zleap> ok
[19:26] <zleap> not sure there should be a way to start / stop services when you start up /. shut down
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[19:27] <darsie> Can the pi shut down to a low power state? How low?
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[19:28] * ShorTie Thinkz, 'systemctl --help' shows lots of things it can do
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[19:29] <zleap> quit
[19:30] <akk> I don't see anything offhand in systemctl --help that looks more likely than "disable".
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[19:33] <Lartza> akk, systemctl disable lircd.socket
[19:33] <Lartza> and .service
[19:33] <Lartza> whatever is enabled
[19:33] <Johnjay> anyway. is anybody on the forum there working on any interesting projects on the rpi?
[19:34] <Johnjay> i want to write some stuff in c/c++ or something like that
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[19:35] <_DimVar_> how do I know if my Raspberry pi is dead? Whenever I'm trying to boot only the red light works
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[19:37] <akk> Lartza: Disabling those two didn't do it. How do I check what's enabled?
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[19:37] <ShorTie> sounds like a bad image write
[19:38] <akk> I tried systemctl list-units | grep lirc, and it lists 5 things, including lircd.socket and lircd.service which I supposedly disabled before rebooting.
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[19:39] <Lartza> akk, systemctl list-unit-files | grep enabled
[19:40] <Lartza> irexec.service is also part of lirc
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[19:44] <akk> Lartza: Thanks again! That did the trick.
[19:44] <akk> The whole list was systemctl disable lircd.socket lircd.service lircd-setup.service lircd-uinput.service lircmd.service
[19:46] <Johnjay> the raspberry pi forums dont' seem that busy
[19:46] <Johnjay> This guy has a post about a microphone project and no replies: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=198368
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[19:49] <gordonDrogon> some topics are busier than others.
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[19:50] <GenteelBen> If he posted a topic about anal sensors, he'd surely get many more responses.
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[19:59] <gordonDrogon> most of the ones reminding them to keep it family friendly.
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[20:10] <GenteelBen> gordonDrogon: there's nothing more family-friendly than a healthy colon.
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[20:12] <gordonDrogon> and there's nothing worse than being a jerk.
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[20:37] <Johnjay> the pi is GL ES 2 right, not 3?
[20:37] <Johnjay> i have a pi 3
[20:39] <Vostok> ok
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[20:58] <H4ndy> John882: it's OpenGL ES 2.0 and OpenVG 1.1 to be specific
[20:59] <H4ndy> don't expect any 3D performance wonders tho
[20:59] <H4ndy> oh sorry, wrong highlight, that's for Johnjay
[20:59] <Johnjay> hrm ok
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[20:59] <Johnjay> someone had a thread about playing a video on a rotating cube and omx being a pita
[20:59] <Johnjay> when will the rpi4 come out and will it have gl es 3.0?
[21:00] <H4ndy> there is not a single piece of info about a possible pi4
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[21:00] <H4ndy> seeing they maxed out their current broadcom chip I it is possible but not sure
[21:00] <Johnjay> damn. well maybe i can get an odroid or something with gles 3 on it.
[21:00] <Johnjay> thanks
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[21:49] <ktokko> Hey so I just installed raspbian over noobs (rpi3) and it's finishing up the apt-get update & dist-upgrade. I noticed firefox wasn't on here. How can I install Firefox ESR?
[21:50] <H4ndy> sudo apt install firefox?
[21:51] <H4ndy> but there should be a default browser shipped with rapsbian
[21:51] <Encrypt> I'm not sure Firefox is the best choice on a Pi
[21:51] <ktokko> is there one specific for firefox esr?
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[21:51] <ktokko> there's chromium installed on here it looks
[21:51] <Johnjay> i use elinks because gui browsers cause my pi to freeze
[21:52] <ktokko> but just wanted firefox to have 2 addons really (noscript + ublock origin)
[21:52] <Johnjay> use apt-cache search -n firefox to search for firefox
[21:52] <H4ndy> yeah just checked, the new images ship with Chromium instead of Firefox now
[21:52] <Johnjay> maybe apt-update first
[21:52] <Encrypt> Poor Fox :/
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[21:52] <H4ndy> ktokko: ublock origin is found on Chrome as well
[21:52] <ktokko> ah ok let me see Johnjay - yes, i just did the apt-update and dist-upgrade
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[21:52] <ktokko> it finally finished that part
[21:52] <Encrypt> dist-upgrade?
[21:53] <ktokko> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:53] <Johnjay> ktokko: what does the command I said show?
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[21:53] <ktokko> Encrypt, i was just following the beginner rpi dot org guide
[21:53] <H4ndy> and instead of noscript better use uatrix
[21:53] <H4ndy> *umatrix
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[21:58] <ktokko> Johnjay - the command yielded a ton of firefox results and it looks like the package "firefox-esr" is listed (along with the its individual country language + non-esr firefox versions and few other variants)
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[21:58] <ktokko> so i suppose i'll do sudo apt-install firefox-esr like H4ndy said
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[21:59] <Johnjay> ktokko: you can pipe it through grep ^firefox to get the sensible matches
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[22:00] <Johnjay> try sudo apt-get install, that might work better than non existent commands
[22:00] <ktokko> oh i will have to google all that Johnjay (1st time terminal-linux & rpi user_
[22:00] <Johnjay> Xd
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[22:00] <Johnjay> ktokko: you can move the output of one process to another one with the | symbol
[22:01] <Johnjay> so apt-cache search -n firefox-esr | grep ^firefox tells apt to search names and descriptions only for firefox-esr
[22:01] <Johnjay> then send that to grep where it looks for lines that start with firefox
[22:01] <ktokko> in which usage case is that for? oh i see Johnjay
[22:01] <Johnjay> this is why i consider all linux to be DIY
[22:01] <Johnjay> because you pretty much always have to DIY no matter what.
[22:02] <ktokko> so the 2nd command "grep xxxxxxxxxx" just fine tunes the results better huh Johnjay ?
[22:02] <Johnjay> ktokko: grep searches files for a given pattern
[22:02] <Johnjay> but it will accept input directly if you pipe it in with |
[22:03] <ktokko> ok new commands here but i am sure i'll be using them again :)
[22:03] <Johnjay> so you'd normall type grep mastercard List_of_credit_cards.txt
[22:03] <Encrypt> ktokko, Yeah
[22:03] <Johnjay> see `man grep` for details
[22:03] <Encrypt> ktokko, You'll quickly use the command line, you'll see :P
[22:04] <Johnjay> and if you want to learn more use superuser,stackoverflow,askubuntu
[22:04] <Encrypt> Most of the programs I use now are command line programs
[22:04] <Johnjay> the man pages only give you bare instructions on how to use the command with arguments
[22:04] <Encrypt> Because graphic interfaces are mainstream (and not that handy)
[22:05] <Encrypt> That said, I still have to install Mutt... (<.<)
[22:05] <ktokko> i did bookmark and find a nice intro to linux command line, it looked like it was an interactive website one
[22:05] <Johnjay> i wish someone had told me man pages were garbage when i first started out using linux
[22:05] <Johnjay> so now I tell ktokko
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> man pages aren't garbage!
[22:05] <ktokko> it's on my 2018 list to do... been using windows for several decades
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> apart from the ones that need 'info' to read - they're utter garbage.
[22:06] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon | man pages aren't garbage! // +42
[22:06] <ktokko> cool so firefox-esr installed and loaded up
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[22:07] <ktokko> i was also super surprised noobs booted into my external vga monitor with the hdmi-vga adapter i purchased
[22:07] <ktokko> and same with raspbian without modifying the config text to uncomment that hdmi line
[22:07] <Encrypt> ktokko, Here is the first book I've bought when I started using GNU/Linux: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Linux-Phrasebook-Scott-Granneman/dp/0672328380
[22:08] <Encrypt> A good boog for beginners
[22:08] <Encrypt> book*
[22:08] <Encrypt> ktokko | cool so firefox-esr installed and loaded up // And now you're out of RAM? :P
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[22:09] <Encrypt> You have run out* of ram
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[22:11] <ktokko> hah how can i check that Encrypt ? (ram) only 1gb on this board right?mem - i have a 32gb microsd (samsung evo+)
[22:11] <ktokko> mem ?
[22:11] <ktokko> ok that didn't work
[22:11] <Encrypt> ktokko, free -h
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[22:11] <Encrypt> ktokko, Or install htop and run it: sudo apt-get install htop && htop
[22:12] <ktokko> ah ok Encrypt - so 923 total / 276m / 77m free
[22:12] <Encrypt> htop is a very good tool to view the system activity / memory usage
[22:12] <ktokko> available 567m -
[22:12] <ktokko> this is just with ff-esr open
[22:12] <ktokko> nice Encrypt - i found that also mentioned here: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/4356/get-cpu-and-gpu-usage-on-raspberry-pi
[22:13] <ktokko> i used stackexchange for a lot of windows things
[22:13] <ktokko> nice to see this one here for the rpi
[22:14] <ktokko> thanks also for the other linux link Encrypt - this is the other one i was going to slowly check: http://linuxcommand.org/index.php
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[22:16] <ktokko> ok i am seeing how ff-esr is lagging now
[22:16] <ktokko> the microsd is a class 10
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[22:17] <ktokko> i guess i can use umatrix like H4ndy mentioned on chromium with ublock origin
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[22:22] <Encrypt> ktokko | ok i am seeing how ff-esr is lagging now // Yeah, Firefox is an heavy browser
[22:23] <Encrypt> ktokko, Once you have run out of RAM, the system writes on the SD Card what he would have written in RAM is space was left there
[22:23] <ktokko> Encrypt, - it may have been also since i had it connected to my vga monitor - i just switched it to the hdmi out to my other external just to see.
[22:23] <ktokko> i see... Encrypt
[22:23] <Encrypt> It can be "dangerous" for your SD Card since it has a definite number of write cycles and it can end up killing the SD Card if it "swaps" too much
[22:24] <ktokko> i just shutdown and restarted to hdmi and restarted FF... let me see if it happens again
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[22:32] <ktokko> ah that's quite noteworthy Encrypt (re sd write cycles) -
[22:32] <bub_> Anyone know their way around bluetooth on linux/raspberry?
[22:32] <bub_> I'm struggling here
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[22:32] <bub_> I'm trying to connect bluetooth headphones..
[22:32] <ktokko> are LAN ethernet speeds limited? I'm on a 100Mbps connection... seeing ~40Mbps on a speed test right now
[22:32] <bub_> had it working yesterday, now it's all gone bad
[22:33] <ktokko> that's to "fast dot com" - netflix test, it usually is a good quick one i use for non-rpi
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[22:34] <Encrypt> ktokko, Yes, the ethernet interface is connected to the USB bus
[22:34] <Encrypt> So it's very limite
[22:34] <Encrypt> +d
[22:35] <ktokko> ah ok good note Encrypt - so the 40Mbps i am seeing is about right then
[22:35] <ktokko> i doubt wifi would get that much faster then
[22:35] <ktokko> because that
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[22:35] <ktokko> s always been about 1/2 of my hardwired on laptop
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[22:38] <ktokko> now the next test at least is to install kodi and that netflix-chromium how to guide from github... hoping that works still. I think rpi is kodi 17.x and saw another comment that netflix is on v18 (likely for other non-rpi's)
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[22:46] <Johnjay> my rpi freezes whenever i try to gun any GUI browser except dillo
[22:46] <Johnjay> so i mostly stick to elinks and w3m
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[22:46] <Johnjay> (apt-get install elinks ftw!)
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[22:48] <ktokko> i'll have to read about elinks Johnjay
[22:49] <Johnjay> ktokko: it seems to be the best text browser since it supports some limited css and javascript
[22:49] <ktokko> browsing for my end on the rpi was really for textual based things
[22:49] <Johnjay> w3m will load images easier though
[22:49] <ktokko> and sure some youtube but looks like firefox and youtube and rpi do not work well at all (it's not working actually)
[22:50] <ktokko> so just installing ublock origin on chromium
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[22:55] <red9> there's a ascii output module for mplayer. For that total GUI strike. Ascii rulez feeling ;)
[22:56] <Johnjay> yeah i use mpv -vo x11 --youtube-dl-format or something like that to watch youtube on the pi
[22:56] <Johnjay> check the man page for the exact thing
[22:59] <ktokko> hmmm even chromium browser and youtube lags huh? i just did a test 1080p60fps video to see and it's running at dial-up/slow movement
[22:59] <Johnjay> i do fine with low res selected
[22:59] <Johnjay> i can play 1080p video just fine on my rpi3
[22:59] <Johnjay> but my internet is slow so I select 240p on all youtube vids
[22:59] <Johnjay> there's a mpv command to do that with youtube-dl or something
[23:00] <Johnjay> i t hink you're supposed to use omxplayer or something
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[23:00] <ktokko> hardwired speed = 40Mbps... Johnjay - the 1080p video you meant was for local storage right?
[23:00] <ktokko> i'll have to web search around a bit more... now i wonder if netflix is going to work :P
[23:00] <Johnjay> yes
[23:00] <Johnjay> i played the one in /opt/vc
[23:00] <Johnjay> well i also downloaded one
[23:00] <Johnjay> the video playback itself was fine
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[23:01] <Johnjay> you're trying to use netflix on it?
[23:01] <ktokko> i am going to test amazon instant video on the chromium , yeah Johnjay - my other laptop is pretty much on a 24/7 vpn and i can't access amazon video through that and i just got a netflix giftcard
[23:02] <ktokko> to try that service but they also block vpn
[23:02] <ktokko> so figured i could try the rpi with just those 2 services
[23:02] <ktokko> on the regular ip
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[23:03] <Johnjay> well let me know if you succeed
[23:04] <Johnjay> why do you have a rpi in the first place? for this exact purpose?
[23:04] <ktokko> Johnjay, it was really to try out pihole :) then i heard that the rpi can do video playback and work like a little pc alternative
[23:04] <ktokko> and thought the latter two could come in handy
[23:04] <Johnjay> well not really... it's just it has a VC4 gpu that does 1080p video
[23:05] <ktokko> but i heard offline video playback works really well
[23:05] <Johnjay> it can substitute for a PC if you only do one task at a time while textbrowsing lol
[23:05] <Johnjay> and don't use the sd card too much or it locks the pi and you can't do anything apparently
[23:05] <red9> Is it possible to play netflix without webbrowser on FreeBSD or Linux in a legal setup (subscription) ?
[23:06] <Johnjay> mpv or youtube-dl might, idk
[23:06] <Johnjay> i use those to watch youtube
[23:06] <ktokko> ah ok Johnjay - nothing really that i am adding onto the sdcard... it's a 32gb, just those main things... for media offline, i'll use a powered usb hub
[23:06] <ktokko> cool, will research the youtube thing later
[23:06] <Johnjay> no i meant how chromium locks up when it starts accessing the card too much
[23:07] <Johnjay> at least that's what i guess is causing the freeze, i have no idea
[23:10] <ktokko> ok interesting Johnjay - i will try to observe these points you made... i'm still under 2hrs of breaking in the rpi experience :P
[23:10] <ktokko> looks like amazon video won't play on chromium either
[23:10] <ktokko> :/
[23:10] <Johnjay> you might need to install a package for that
[23:11] <Johnjay> try apt-cache search -n chromium and see if there's anything extra about a video th ing
[23:11] <ktokko> something about a widevine CDM - i read about this for the workaround for netflix
[23:11] <ktokko> i guess it's the same thing here
[23:12] <ktokko> do we happen to have a gui repo search or is it all command line Johnjay ?
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[23:14] <Johnjay> ktokko: there is one in the menus i think
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[23:14] <Johnjay> idk i assume all linux will force me to use the command line sooner or later
[23:14] <Johnjay> so i just do it from the start and ignore the gui
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[23:15] <ktokko> ah yes there it is Johnjay - it's in the add/remove software
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[23:15] <ktokko> at least for just the first little bit, this will help to just see
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[23:16] <Inonoob> hello everyone
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[23:16] <Inonoob> may someone help with python I kind of don't get what I'm doing wrong.
[23:17] <Johnjay> Inonoob: use a pastebin to paste your example.
[23:18] <Inonoob> https://pastebin.com/rTvZAja8
[23:18] <Inonoob> yeah I know i needed to finish the file
[23:18] <Inonoob> oki why is my export file always empty Oo
[23:19] <Inonoob> I realy don't get it.
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[23:21] <red9> Johnjay, The power with Unix is in the command line and scripting. (and the general structuring of it)
[23:23] <Johnjay> red9: sure. but the problem is I often find myself having to use it
[23:23] <Johnjay> i.e. the power, not unix lol
[23:23] <Johnjay> if something can be commonly done in a GUI as on mac or windows then linux should follow suit and do the same
[23:24] <Johnjay> but apparently that's not good enough for the hardcore autists or something
[23:25] <Inonoob> so @Johnjay have you check the code ? where could be the problem ?
[23:25] <red9> The problem is usually that the M$/Mac way of doing things gets in the way of power usage or requires a lot of programming .
[23:25] <Johnjay> red9: I can understand that. I'm lazy too. I just can't stand people pretending it doesn't matter at all.
[23:26] <Johnjay> at least own your laziness!
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[23:26] <Johnjay> Inonoob: maybe you shouldn't call f.read() twice? just sayin
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[23:28] <Inonoob> Ohh man thanks !!!!
[23:28] <red9> Something like IE "compability" it's not there (or was) because it was wrongly designed nor followed standards. And it would been a huge workload to achieve compatability for no good because the point with IE is to create a vendor locking.
[23:28] <Inonoob> Johnjay++ many thanks that was it :)
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[23:30] <Johnjay> Inonoob: np
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[23:33] <Johnjay> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/303/898/088.gif
[23:33] <BCMM> "if something can be commonly done in a GUI as on mac or windows then linux should follow suit and do the same" - the inverse applies too!
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[23:35] <ktokko> ok Johnjay , tried the kusti8 github netflix guide and looks like amazon is working now on chromium (modified with useragent also) - the playback is not super great but it's a start
[23:35] <Johnjay> sure. but windows and mac generally have things like 'right click to make a shortcut' down pretty well
[23:36] <Johnjay> ktokko: what did you have to install to get it working?
[23:36] <Johnjay> or did you do something else?
[23:36] <BCMM> have a look at how to connect to an ad-hoc WiFi network on Windows 8 :)
[23:36] <red9> Johnjay, are you from australia? ;)
[23:37] <BCMM> Johnjay: https://confluence.qps.nl/display/qa/How+to+connect+to+ad-hoc+WiFi+networks+in+Windows+8.1
[23:37] <Johnjay> no but i watch entertainment from there sometimes
[23:37] <Johnjay> why lol?
[23:38] <BCMM> this is for something that's just done a simple GUI with networkmanager :)
[23:38] <ktokko> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=176402 Johnjay
[23:38] <BCMM> point is, all operating systems have a fairly small space of basically common, everyday use-cases which they support with simple GUIs
[23:38] <BCMM> and as soon as you want to do something slightly off that track, it gets more involved
[23:38] <ktokko> and then installed the user agent switcher to add: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; CrOS armv7l 6946.63.0) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/47.0.2526.106 Safari/537.36
[23:38] <BCMM> linux forces you to use the cli, windows forces you to use regedit.exe :)
[23:39] <Johnjay> thanks ktokko
[23:39] <ktokko> anyways the video quality on amazon prime looks like crap :P
[23:39] <BCMM> (or it just forces you to use the cli, but it's a cli that's seen no serious improvements since about 1995)
[23:39] <Johnjay> BCMM: i guess?
[23:39] <ktokko> via chromium
[23:40] <BCMM> as long as you won't need to deviate from the well-worn path of stuff your operating system is *specifically* designed to do, well, "just get a mac"
[23:41] <BCMM> but from a power-user's perspective, it's far more pleasant to be using an operating system which expects that you'll do something interesting with it and has CLI interfaces which have actually had some thought put in to them
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[23:44] <_DimVar_> Hello guys, I have a problem with my Raspberry pi, it works when it is connected via hdmi but the ip adress doesn't appear to Advanced IP Scanner, any idea?
[23:44] <Johnjay> BCMM: have you used powershell?
[23:44] <_DimVar_> so I can use to on my laptop
[23:45] <BCMM> Johnjay: yes. it takes a kind of weird, very .net centric approach to things, but it's better than cmd.exe
[23:45] <BCMM> Johnjay: doesn't mean the cli interfaces themselves aren't horrible
[23:46] <BCMM> i mean, doesn't matter if you're using powershell or cmd, days when you have to use netsh are bad days
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[23:51] <_DimVar_> any idea?
[23:51] <_DimVar_> I got dced
[23:53] <Inonoob> hey _DimVar_
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[23:54] <_DimVar_> Inonoob hello again :)
[23:54] <Inonoob> hey what do you mean by ip scanner ?
[23:55] <Inonoob> you cant find it on the network?
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