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IRC Log for 2017-11-28

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[0:25] <johnjay> pro tip to anybody looking to save memory
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[0:25] <johnjay> install emacs24 or 25 and run package-list-packages to install exwm from the list
[0:25] <johnjay> then copy the xinitrc example to your home dir and follow the instructions
[0:26] <johnjay> using emacs with w3m browser and irc programs saves at least 40MB of memory compared to openbox. more compared to others i would guess
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[1:44] <Smashcat> Hi, anyone had experience recording with a USB mic?
[1:45] <Smashcat> arecord lists my mic, but crashes out when trying to record with "£No such file or directory"
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[1:54] <Zardoz> Smashcat: is your mic listed in the mixer?
[1:54] <Smashcat> I can't use alsamixer unfortunately, as pressing the F buttons kicks me out of it
[1:56] <Zardoz> try setting to the default device then quit out of it. then use arecord
[1:56] <Zardoz> the mic that is
[1:58] <Smashcat> Zardoz: Ah, connected the pi to a better power supply, and now can kind of record, but it's really quiet with loads of crackling. Need to up the gain somehow I think
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[1:59] <Smashcat> Zardoz: Unfortunately I can't set anything in alsamixer as the F keys don't work through the PuTTY SSH client
[1:59] <Zardoz> Smashcat: mixer gane
[1:59] <Zardoz> gain
[2:00] <Zardoz> ah
[2:00] <Zardoz> might have to get on it local
[2:00] <red9> amixer
[2:01] <Smashcat> amixer gain just gives an error
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[2:01] <Zardoz> what power supply are you using?
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[2:02] <Smashcat> 5A, should be plenty
[2:02] <Zardoz> should
[2:02] <red9> What does "cat /proc/asound/cards" say?
[2:02] <Smashcat> It is recording, but really quiet and crackly
[2:03] <Smashcat> 0 [ALSA ]: bcm2835 - bcm2835 ALSA
[2:03] <Smashcat> bcm2835 ALSA
[2:03] <Smashcat> 1 [Device ]: USB-Audio - USB PnP Sound Device
[2:03] <Smashcat> C-Media Electronics Inc. USB PnP Sound Device at usb-3f980000.usb-1.3, full spe
[2:03] <Zardoz> sounds like it might be overdriving
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[2:03] <Smashcat> Mic is device 1
[2:04] <Zardoz> yeah i bet it's overdriving on that C-Media device
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[2:04] <Smashcat> Any idea where alsa mixer stores the gain?
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[2:06] <Zardoz> I am guessing somwhere /var/lib/alsa/
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[2:12] <red9> amixer -c 1 sset Capture 100%
[2:12] <Smashcat> Yeah, I tried changing the Mic recording volume, still barely audible. Don't think it made any difference.
[2:12] <Smashcat> red9 I'll try it :)
[2:13] <Smashcat> I get amixer: Unable to find simple control 'Capture',0
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[2:23] <Smashcat> Ah! amixer -c 1 sset Mic 100% worked. Still got static in the background, but not too bad I guess :)
[2:24] <Smashcat> Ah! totallu my bad - was recording at 8bit. Changed to cd quality, and sounds good now :)
[2:24] <Smashcat> Thanks for the help :)
[2:25] <BetaSoul> Hey, any one gotten Emby server running on a rpi2?
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[2:39] <DieMonkeys> evening everyone, got a question about using the Pi Hut 3D xmas tree, I try using the sample program from the site and on the first line when I type "from gpiozero import LEDBoard" it responds "from: too many arguments"
[2:39] <DieMonkeys> any idea why that would be?
[2:39] <DieMonkeys> this is what I'm talking about: https://thepihut.com/products/3d-xmas-tree-for-raspberry-pi
[2:39] <BetaSoul> That's Python, right?
[2:39] <BetaSoul> Which version of python?
[2:39] <DieMonkeys> yes
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[2:40] <BetaSoul> Have you tried pipenv?
[2:40] <DieMonkeys> python or python3, it installs both
[2:40] <DieMonkeys> or rather suggests to install them, they're already installed as per raspbian stretch
[2:41] <DieMonkeys> BetaSoul, I have not tried pipenv
[2:41] <DieMonkeys> I have no clue what that is
[2:41] <BetaSoul> It lets you isolate the Python. I think you might not have the correct version running.
[2:42] <DieMonkeys> python and python3 is already the newest version, 1.4.0
[2:43] <DieMonkeys> sudo apt-get install python-gpiozero python3-gpiozero
[2:43] <DieMonkeys> python-gpiozero is already the newest version (1.4.0).
[2:43] <DieMonkeys> python3-gpiozero is already the newest version (1.4.0).
[2:45] * DieMonkeys shrugs
[2:45] <DieMonkeys> I just want pretty blinking lights
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[2:49] <BetaSoul> That's just it. is the sample for python or python3?
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[2:52] <DieMonkeys> https://thepihut.com/products/3d-xmas-tree-for-raspberry-pi
[2:52] <DieMonkeys> it's the sample there under the software tab
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[2:52] <DieMonkeys> from gpiozero import LEDBoard
[2:53] <DieMonkeys> from gpiozero.tools import random_values
[2:53] <DieMonkeys> from signal import pause
[2:53] <DieMonkeys> etc
[2:53] <DieMonkeys> except it doesn't matter
[2:53] <DieMonkeys> cuz the first line returns "from: too many arguments"
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[3:05] <GrandPa-G> DieMonkeys:excatly how are you starting the program?
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[3:05] <DieMonkeys> GrandPa-G, I do exactly as I do with everything else I do on rpi
[3:05] <DieMonkeys> copy and paste it into the terminal
[3:05] <GrandPa-G> DieMonkeys:ok, I want to see the command line
[3:06] <DieMonkeys> pi@raspple:~ $ from gpiozero import LED
[3:06] <DieMonkeys> from: too many arguments
[3:06] <DieMonkeys> pi@raspple:~ $
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[3:06] <GrandPa-G> if you are typing that at command line, then when did you invoke Python?
[3:07] * DieMonkeys shrugs
[3:07] <DieMonkeys> I see a line that says type "sudo apt-get install python-gpiozero python3-gpiozero" and I copy and paste it
[3:07] <GrandPa-G> you need to something like typing python
[3:07] <DieMonkeys> then I copy the next line
[3:07] <DieMonkeys> and so on
[3:08] <GrandPa-G> you need to copy the program into a file. they type python <filename>
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[3:08] <DieMonkeys> oh
[3:08] <DieMonkeys> that did it
[3:08] <DieMonkeys> thanks!
[3:08] <{HD}> What are people doing for battery packs for raspi's? I want to do a stack of 18650s but I cannot find a good solutiom...
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[3:08] <GrandPa-G> you might look up how to run python programs for tricks
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[3:09] <DieMonkeys> eh, I'm not a programmer
[3:09] <DieMonkeys> I just follow tutorials, I'd rather do the soldering and assembly side
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[3:13] <DieMonkeys> BetaSoul, GrandPa-G got me figured out, all I needed to do was type python script.sh
[3:13] <BetaSoul> AH!
[3:13] <BetaSoul> Launcher script.
[3:14] <DieMonkeys> yeah, the pihut site didn't mention anything about having to do it like that
[3:14] <red9> {HD}, Raspberry-Pi idle power usage is awful.
[3:15] <{HD}> red9: How bad?
[3:15] <{HD}> I am not going to be running it for hours and hours...If I could get 10hours runtime I would be happy
[3:15] <GrandPa-G> DieMonkeys:You might name the file script.py just to make it look like a python script. You can also put a line as the first line of the script #!/usr/bin/python and then set it up to run by just ./script.py (you need to do a chmod +x script.py to make this work).
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[3:19] <DieMonkeys> GrandPa-G, will that make it autostart on boot?
[3:21] <GrandPa-G> DieMonkeys:that is a totaly different thing. I would suggest you google something like raspberry autostart boot
[3:21] <DieMonkeys> ah, just asking, sounds similar to what I've done to get plex and other things to boot at start
[3:21] <GrandPa-G> DieMonkeys:there serveral ways to do it. A simple way for you might be with cron with boot option, or putting a command line in one of the startup script files.
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[3:22] <SynfulAck> Anyone use the RPi3 PIR sensor before? I noticed some odd behavior when i go to download the file then delete it, it will trigger the pir to snap another photo. Is this maybe due to wifi interference because thats the way im remotely managing it. If it is from that what can i do to insulate it?
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[3:28] <BetaSoul> Any one gotten Emby up and running on their raspbian-lite?
[3:28] <BetaSoul> Keep getting stuck on mono.
[3:28] <red9> {HD}, You will need 100 mA * 10 h = 1 Ah as minimum.
[3:29] <red9> It really depend on RPi model and task. And if you can use lower voltage than 5V, use of SMPS vs linear etc.
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[3:32] <{HD}> doesnt raspi NEED 5v?
[3:32] <Hitechcg> {HD}: yes basically
[3:33] <red9> SynfulAck, maybe the RPi3 PIR detects deleted image and uses that as trigger event for "take another picture"
[3:33] <Hitechcg> you could theoretically do a bunch of hardware modifications and get it running on 3.3v, but USB wouldn't work
[3:33] <{HD}> I need to learn more about smps vs buck vs boost vs whatever other options there are.
[3:34] <red9> well, asfair the onboard chips that actually matters use 3.3V and get it through a linear regulator. Thus one might.. get away with say 3.5V etc.
[3:34] <Hitechcg> anyways, you want to get the Pi as close to 5V as possible, or a bit more even
[3:34] <red9> wrong not 3.5 but 4.5V.
[3:35] <Hitechcg> 4.5v is bad
[3:35] <SynfulAck> red9, no because it didnt happen 100% of the time, so must be something else.
[3:35] <Hitechcg> unless you are certain your supply is stable at 4.5v
[3:36] <Hitechcg> but usually undervoltage is caused by shitty supplies sagging voltage under load
[3:36] <Hitechcg> which is BAD
[3:36] <red9> USB sucks ;)
[3:36] <Hitechcg> and thus the Pi 2 and 3 will warn you and throttle
[3:36] <{HD}> I am trying to build my own battery supply...
[3:37] <Hitechcg> {HD}: rechargeable?
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[3:37] <red9> So if you are willing to drop USB then it should be possible to supply the MCU + RAM using 3.3V directly. That WILL save energy.
[3:37] <SynfulAck> {HD}, wouldnt it be easier to just use an external battery for cellphones and electronics?
[3:37] <red9> Is there any RPi that has onboard SMPS for 5V -> 3.3V conversion?
[3:38] <{HD}> Yea rechargable.
[3:38] <Hitechcg> what SynfulAck said - most phone battery packs have a bunch of 3.7v cells and use a boost converter to raise that to 5V
[3:38] <{HD}> I want to use 18650s
[3:39] <Hitechcg> {HD}: do you want USB to work?
[3:40] <Hitechcg> If so just use a boost converter to boost the 18650s to 5V and feed that to the Pi
[3:40] <Hitechcg> If not then you could probably use 3.7v directly if you modified the Pi
[3:40] <Hitechcg> assuming efficiency is critical
[3:42] <Hitechcg> tbh I'd just get a decent phone battery pack and call it a day
[3:42] <Hitechcg> most of those are just one or more 18650 cells and a circuit board anyways
[3:43] <red9> The problem is that a voltage boosted to 5V to supply a RPi and then linearly regulated down will loose (5V-3.3V) * 100 mA as a minimum.
[3:43] <{HD}> I am having trouble pusing more than 2a from my battery pack when I need to...I have a bunch of little boost converters but they all seem to cap at 1.5amp
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[3:44] <{HD}> for a short duration I need a screen and other
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[3:46] <shauno> tried using more than one boost in parallel? (I haven't tried this, and have no idea if it's a good idea)
[3:47] <{HD}> shauno: I have not tried that...
[3:47] <BurtyB> fdc
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[3:48] <{HD}> fdc? family day care...
[3:49] <BurtyB> doh
[3:49] <shauno> I keep meaning to try that with a current regulator I use, but never seem to get around to it. on the face of it, two units in parallel with a 2A draw would only put 1A through each
[3:50] <red9> Floppy Disc Controller ;)
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[3:51] <BurtyB> red9, the Pi3 uses the PAM2306
[3:51] <shauno> ooh, I have one of those here. a WDC37C65. it's also on my list of things I need to try
[3:56] <{HD}> what about somthing like this? With a stepdown vs boost...???... https://www.ebay.com/itm/3S-25A-12V-11-1V-12-6V-Balance-18650-Li-ion-Lithium-Battery-PCB-Protection-Board/272904804917?hash=item3f8a64da35:g:eQ4AAOSwWZpZ8~cU
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[4:15] <{HD}> I have 2 of these...Should I try them in parallel? https://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-DC-Step-Up-Power-Apply-3V-32V-to-5V-35V-XL6009-400KHz-4A-Max-HM-/401115636348?hash=item5d645ae27c
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[5:09] <DesertRock> So I was reading on https://doc.kerberos.io/2.0/machinery/Outputs/video that “Note that when you're a using a Raspberry Pi camera, there is no limitation on the FPS due to the hardware encoding.” Does this mean hardware encoding on the rpi camera itself?
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[5:10] <Zardoz> on the SoC
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[5:12] <DesertRock> SoC?
[5:12] <DesertRock> ah
[5:12] <DesertRock> So yeah, it is on the camera board
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[5:13] <Zardoz> mmmm I thought it was on the cpu (SoC)
[5:13] <Zardoz> now I am looking
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[5:17] <SynfulAck> Has anyone worked on their RPi3 w/ the PiCameraV2 and the opencv library or like library for identifying and logging traffic?
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[5:19] <Zardoz> DesertRock: I am almost sure that the encoding and decoding is done by the cpu and it built in the cpu.
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[5:21] <DesertRock> So the speed gain is reliant on the RPi Board you have? So if I have an RPi 1 it may not be as fast as a Zero or something for that? I guess I’m just confused by that sentence on the document I linked to
[5:22] <Zardoz> correct
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[5:22] <Zardoz> basically the capability's of the cpu/pi
[5:23] <DesertRock> Hm, alright
[5:24] <{HD}> Guess I was timed out =(
[5:25] <Zardoz> {HD}: [22:08:31] <-- {HD} has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[5:25] <red9> I think the camera raw pixels are feed over two differential channels into the GPU part of the SoC. The CPU may then control where the encoded bits go.
[5:25] <{HD}> wow, I was timed out an hour! before znc reconnected me! thats crazy!
[5:25] <Zardoz> red9: yeah something like that
[5:26] <Zardoz> is a sence has direct access to the SoC
[5:27] <red9> sence?
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[5:41] <{HD}> Why does china LIE! Claims max 4A out...NOT EVEN CLOSE! https://www.ebay.com/itm/10PCS-DC-DC-XL6009-Step-Up-Power-Apply-3V-32V-to-5V-35V-MAX-4A-Adjustable-Power-/331020427744?hash=item4d125ae1e0
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[5:43] <Zardoz> {HD}: do you have to ajust the power?
[5:43] <{HD}> Zardoz: Yea, its got a trimpot to adjust output...
[5:43] <Zardoz> I see a little trim pot
[5:44] <HrdwrBoB> er
[5:44] <HrdwrBoB> it gives a table of output
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[5:44] <{HD}> lol HrdwrBoB I see that now. And none are close to 4a
[5:45] <Zardoz> lol that table looks off from what they are reporting
[5:45] <HrdwrBoB> correct
[5:45] <Zardoz> and at 5V it's doing ~0.8A
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[5:51] <{HD}> Well it sucks! at .5a it is RED HOT!!!
[5:51] <{HD}> I need something similar that can actuall push some amps
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[5:55] <{HD}> maybe if I get something that says 10amp it might do the 2 I am looking for.
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[5:59] <Zardoz> {HD}: you need to find somthing that does 5V 3A output.
[6:01] <{HD}> Yep, With an input of an 18650...I guess I could go 18650 in series since some of the higher amp units requrie mroe than 3.7v
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[6:04] <jaggz> how can I broadcast my mic so I can listen to it on another computer on the lan?
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[6:19] <{HD}> This is pretty nice and easy. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Wemos-18650-Battery-Shield-V3-ESP32-For-Arduino/222633825801?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
[6:19] <{HD}> I am playing with one and for simple low power projects it works really well.
[6:19] <{HD}> And cheap
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[6:45] <red9> "simple" and "low" are highly subjective.
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[6:46] <{HD}> simple meaning your not on space/layout constraints and low meaning its just one 18650 battery so, thats all its got...
[6:46] <{HD}> isnt cheap subjective too?
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[8:47] <SynfulAck> {HD}, how long will that run not doing anything on a RPi3 or Zero?
[8:47] <SynfulAck> just cli
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[9:33] <mlankhorst> kerio: it's actually .2 fps btw
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[13:24] <UskoKyykka> Hi, I have a Raspberry Pi 2 model B v1.1 (running Raspbian Jessie)
[13:24] <UskoKyykka> The problem is that the USB ports are not working, the log is flooded by "usb 1-1-port2: over-current change"
[13:24] <UskoKyykka> I've tried different power supplies and different cables, even the ones that used to work previously
[13:24] <UskoKyykka> I also tried "max_usb_current=1" in /boot/config.txt
[13:25] <UskoKyykka> So far nothing works and based on what I've read online, I'm afraid that something has broken physically.
[13:25] <UskoKyykka> Any ideas or pointers?
[13:25] <UskoKyykka> Thank you in advance.
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[13:26] <GenteelBen> UskoKyykka, if too much current is being supplied to the ports it sounds like a firmware or hardware issue.
[13:26] <GenteelBen> E.g. faulty VRMs
[13:26] <GenteelBen> UskoKyykka, an easy solution is to try a totally different OS and see if your ports still don't work.
[13:27] <GenteelBen> E.g. Windows 10 Pi Edition https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=55029
[13:28] <GenteelBen> GenteelTech® Single Board Computing LLC recommends Windows® 10 IoT Raspberry® Pi™ Edition for all your single board computing needs.
[13:29] <kerio> dear lord
[13:29] <UskoKyykka> Ok, thank you. I'll try some other os and see what happens. Windows 10 sounds ok, maybe I'll try that.
[13:30] <GenteelBen> UskoKyykka: any other Linux distro is fine, but why settle for Linux when the power of Windows 10 IoT is available?
[13:31] <UskoKyykka> Never thought I'd even try Windows on Rpi but hey, I've tried "funnier" things in my life.
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[13:32] <GenteelBen> UskoKyykka that's like saying you never thought you'd try caviar on your Ritz crackers.
[13:33] <Lartza> GenteelBen, But... what
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[13:33] <Lartza> IoT Core isn't even a proper OS
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[13:34] <Lartza> It's not "Windows 10 Pi Edition"
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[13:34] <GenteelBen> Not with that attitude, Lartza.
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[13:34] <GenteelBen> If you believe in Windows 10 IoT, it can be everything you need it to be.
[13:35] <Lartza> ...
[13:35] <Lartza> GenteelBen, IoT can tes, IoT Core not so much
[13:36] <Lartza> *yes
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[13:42] <gordonDrogon> UskoKyykka, stick to Raspbian.
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> UskoKyykka, do the log messages go away when you unplug everything?
[13:43] <UskoKyykka> Nope, the log is flooded even if nothing is connected to the USB ports
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> have you done a recent upgrade?
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[13:44] <gordonDrogon> as in: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:44] <UskoKyykka> No, the Rpi was on the shelf for a few months, unused
[13:44] <UskoKyykka> Worked fine the last time I used it
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[13:44] <gordonDrogon> its worth trying an update and rebooting. also worth checking physically there there is nothing touching the pins on the underside of the board - e.g. if it's not in a case.
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[13:44] <gordonDrogon> otherwise it might just be toast.
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[13:46] <UskoKyykka> I already tried the newest Raspbian image (Stretch), no USBs
[13:46] <UskoKyykka> That's what I'm afraid of, the Rpi being toast
[13:47] <UskoKyykka> Well it works otherwise, so maybe I can make a small server out of it.
[13:47] <Lartza> If only it were cheaper than 45€
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> if only... bleat bleat ... etc.
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> what else can you get for �45 ?
[13:49] <Lartza> Meals for two weeks?
[13:49] <Lartza> ;)
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> sure, but not in the UK.
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[13:50] <gordonDrogon> you sound like the punters at the market I go to - I sell buns for 80p each - these are hand made with good quality ingredients - the person next to me sells cheap rubbish for 50p - it's really terrible stuff she makes, but the punters bleat about paying 80p for my stuff which is visible better.
[13:51] <Lartza> lol
[13:51] <Lartza> 45€ is a lot of money but it's mostly due to import and taxes
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> no-one wants quality anymore.
[13:51] <Lartza> It's not an unreasonable price just annoying
[13:51] <ali1234> itym "no-one can afford quality any more"
[13:52] <Lartza> Also I am not sure the Pi is exactly a fair comparison of quality when they are produced in China although not that there are any quality issues but if you get what I mean
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is made in the UK.
[13:52] <Lartza> Mine isn't
[13:52] <Lartza> Straight from china
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> and you still paid �45 for it?
[13:53] <Lartza> Uhh can't remember I can check
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> they're priced at $35.
[13:53] <Lartza> Wait no I bought it from the store
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[13:53] <Lartza> 24% VAT, import to Finland
[13:53] <Lartza> I believe mine is a Farnell one, RPi 2 too
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[13:54] <Lartza> Currently the RPi3 costs between 45-60€
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[13:54] <gordonDrogon> gpio -v should tell you where it was made.
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[13:55] <Lartza> I need something that provides gpio
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> there are dozens of SBCs now that do that - some even copy the Pi's GPIO connector.
[13:55] <Lartza> I mean that command
[13:56] <shauno> I only pay €35 for the pi3
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> it's installed by default with raspbian.
[13:56] <Lartza> I'm not on Raspbian
[13:56] <ali1234> no it isn't
[13:56] <ali1234> i just had to install it
[13:56] <UskoKyykka> There was a short sale of Rpi 3B for 20€ in power.fi, but it's back to 44,95€ now
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> wiringpi is installed with the full raspbian - -lite doesn't have it normally.
[13:57] <shauno> I usually just get them from the usual suspects. eg pimoroni have gbp32, which is €35 & change
[13:58] <shauno> luckily the sterling ain't worth what it used to be. if you're on the outside looking in, that makes shopping a bit easier
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> I buy my quadcore pis for 33 quid, and saw them in four, so I get them for 8 quid each
[13:59] <red9> there are chinese clones..
[13:59] <Lartza> shauno, Yeah seems pimoroni would be 40€
[13:59] <shauno> is there still an official chinese variant? the red one?
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> red9: I question calling them clones.
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> red9: Given that the Pi was hardly the first small embedded dev-board, and they share little hardware
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[14:00] <gordonDrogon> red9, there are no Pi clones.
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> Clone may be misleading - they very much don't run the same software.
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> Or have the same community support.
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> there are many board similar to the Pi, but no clones.
[14:01] <red9> I know a person that claims to buy them for like ~12 EUR and seems to run plain Raspberry Pi software.
[14:01] <red9> IRL.
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> they're not clones. they may be compatible, but will have a different SoC, GPU ,etc.
[14:03] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, gpio -v just says Sony
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, that's Sony UK.
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> red9: they run standard software if you recompile the software for them, and sufficient low-level drivers exist.
[14:04] <Lartza> maybe it was my B or B+...
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> It's just a linux box after all.
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> Once you start to get to things that do not use it as a standard desktop with fewer ports, things get complex.
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[14:05] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, I am pretty sure it said China somewhere in the packaging when I bought it. Had to check the silk screen but it's not printed there so
[14:06] <Lartza> Maybe Farnell just lies
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[14:06] <ali1234> "So, if serial numbers were selected at random the chance of a collision, two Pi with the same serial number, is about 1e20/1e7 = 1e13 or one in 10,000,000,000,000."
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, Sony is the UK manufacturer. If it was made in China it would say Embest.
[14:07] <ali1234> that's not correct is it
[14:07] <ali1234> birthday paradox
[14:07] <Lartza> But yeah I've still got my B+ at my mother's and it was bought from germany and my B was bought from element14 but is long fone
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[14:07] <gordonDrogon> Pi's are made in China, but normally just for the Asian market.
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[14:08] <redrabbit> you can get an orange pi zero shipped for 10 bucks
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> they did have a red silkscreen - I'm not sure if that's still the case.
[14:08] <redrabbit> if you want cheap
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> cheap -> you get what you pay for.
[14:08] <redrabbit> of course
[14:08] <Lartza> What I remember reading is that Farnell for instance did some in China due to demand but
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/redPi.jpg
[14:08] <redrabbit> tbh the opis are quite good
[14:08] <Lartza> Generally the idea was to do in UK of course
[14:08] <redrabbit> for the price
[14:09] <redrabbit> i have one with like 70 days uptime near me
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> originally, both Farnell and RS manufactured in China, but it changed to the UK relatively quickly. inside the first year IIRC.
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[14:11] <Lartza> Yeah derp my RPi 2 silkscreen even says UK
[14:11] <Lartza> It was too small I missed it totally at first
[14:13] <red9> RedPi with Communistian(R) for that perfect match ;-)
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[14:15] <redrabbit> what's that
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/redPi.jpg <- picture of a red pi.
[14:16] <redrabbit> i see
[14:16] <ali1234> what are the broadcom chips made tho?
[14:16] <ali1234> *where
[14:17] <red9> anyone tried decap and photographing the bcm chip?
[14:17] <Lartza> ali1234, Probably 100% somewhere in Asia
[14:18] <Lartza> Wait no
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[14:25] <red9> does RPi support any kind of "suspend to disc" ?
[14:25] <shauno> I thought broadcom used GlobalFoundries? So most likely I'm wrong, singapore, the US or germany. in roughly that order
[14:26] <Lartza> shauno, Broadcom uses multiple different manufacturers
[14:26] <Lartza> apparently
[14:26] <Lartza> But it does use globalfoundries, but also chinese and taiwanese foundries
[14:27] <red9> It's like mail order on a grand scale. "Please send us 1000 000 chips to this design, mail the container to us"
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[15:18] <hillct> Good morning all. I have an OLED display http://wiki.sunfounder.cc/index.php?title=OLED-SSD1306_Module I’m trying to connect to a Pi3B via i2c but Im not familiar enough with i2c to know how best to debug an issue I’m receiving a segFault (no Node Traceback) when testing using https://github.com/perjg/oled_ssd1306_i2c to test. Can anyone suggest a more useful approach to debugging this i2c connected OLED, that might yield more meaningful debug data?
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[15:20] <BurtyB> hillct, "i2cdetect -y 1" should show you if it's connected OK by scanning all addresses on bus 1
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[15:22] <hillct> BurtyB: I ran i2cdetect 1 earlier and got a grid that I wasn’t able to interpret. It’ll take a few minutes to reconnect my setup from last night then I’ll do as you suggest.
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[15:30] <hillct> @BurtyB the results can be seen here https://pastebin.com/YynyqGdQ same grid. I’m unclear how to get an address from that output
[15:31] <ShorTie> don't think you can because it didn't detect any thing
[15:31] <ShorTie> wiring check .. :/~
[15:32] <hillct> if I use any other bus number it doesn’t even display a grid, saying the bus doesn’t exist.
[15:32] <hillct> Reviewing wiring now
[15:32] <hillct> Is the wiring diagram half way down my sunfounder link above, accurate?
[15:33] <ShorTie> sometimes the i/o are backwards
[15:35] <ShorTie> try swapping sda & scl maybe
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[15:37] <hillct> doing so now…
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[15:40] <hillct> Same result, having swapped BCM 3 and 5. Not clear ot me why it lists a pin 2 at right, here though https://pinout.xyz/pinout/i2c
[15:42] <hillct> ShorTie: ^^
[15:42] <shauno> there's 3 (or 4?) different numbering schemes. so the pins physically 3 & 5 are gpio 2 & 3 on the processor
[15:43] <shauno> so "bcm 2" means its gpio2 on the broadcom chip. which is pin3 on the header
[15:43] <hillct> shauno: oh, I thought BCM references were to the board layout
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[15:45] <hillct> shauno: but apparently that’s because I didn’t think about it. looking at the diagram, it now seems obvious. In any case, I had it wired correctly, using 3.3v. the oled appears powered (led on board iluminated) I wonder if it needs 5v. checking…
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[15:46] <m92> does anyone know how to set up PIA VPN on raspberry pi in command line (over ssh)?
[15:46] <m92> i did this https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/client-support/ubuntu-openvpn but when i type "nmcli con" there's no VPN in the list
[15:47] <shauno> it says the working voltage is 2.7 to 5.5, so 3.3v should work fine. I'm not sure I'd try it on 5v, because if that ends up on the scl/sda lines, you gain a whole new set of (permenant) problems
[15:47] <hillct> shauno: docs here indicate eithet 3.3 or 5v should be fine https://www.sunfounder.com/oled-ssd1306-module.html
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[15:48] <hillct> oh, sure. understandable
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[15:49] <pwillard> I cringe everytime I need to think about which pins are which on the header.
[15:49] <hillct> shauno: my oled board pigtail is colored black, red, white, brown which doesn’t match their documentation but I’m trusting the pins appear in the same order on the oled board. Is that reasonable?
[15:50] <shauno> are the pins labelled on the board? if they are, I'd follow that, not the colours
[15:51] <hillct> shabius: just saw that myself. They are labeled on the board
[15:51] <hillct> and wired correctly, as lebeled
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[15:52] <hillct> Do I need to reboot or reinit the i2c_dev kernel module eacj time I rewire?
[15:52] <shauno> I don't lol
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[15:53] <hillct> I’m sure there are tocs out there that tell me I should… but yeah… in practice…
[15:53] <hillct> er docs
[15:56] <hillct> new i2cdetect output
[15:56] <hillct> one sec
[15:57] <hillct> i2cDetect output https://pastebin.com/87REwYAU how am I meant to assemble an address from this grid?
[15:58] <shauno> easy. 3c's the address. it's the only device it's found :)
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[15:58] <hillct> the full address string is assembled how?
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[16:00] <hillct> does every address just start with 0x so 0x3C ?
[16:00] <shauno> usually yeah
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[16:01] <shauno> 0x is just a convention to tell whatever software that the value you're giving it is in hex
[16:03] <hillct> Gentlemen, thanks very much. I’m now seeing node.js level errors, which I can diagnose :)
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[16:03] <shauno> curious, what did you change?
[16:04] <hillct> I had a broken plastic clip on one of the jumper wires
[16:04] <shauno> aha
[16:04] <hillct> but it also looks like the i/o pins are mislabeled, on the OLED board
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[16:45] <dff> hi, anyone in here have experience with hifiberry
[16:45] <johnjay> what's the deal with mpv vs omxplayer?
[16:46] <johnjay> is omxplayer a binary blob from broadcom?
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[16:59] <gordonDrogon> I'm fairly sure omxplayer is fully open source and runs on the ARM.
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> however it passes data to the gpu thingy to do the actual decoding and playing.
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[17:25] <johnjay> right
[17:25] <johnjay> i had some issues with mpv before getting it to even compile
[17:26] <johnjay> but i thought there was something about that
[17:26] <johnjay> like the video driver for the VC4 isn't open source and mpv has to use -vo x11 or something
[17:27] <johnjay> at least because -vo gl and -vo vdpau don't work on my pi for some reason
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[17:31] <johnjay> oh i see, wikipedia to the rescue
[17:31] <johnjay> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoCore#Linux_support
[17:34] <johnjay> oddly it says that a guy wrote a driver and submitted it to mesa in 2014
[17:34] <johnjay> so... why does mpv still not do acceleration on the raspbi?
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[19:30] <Megaf> UskoKyykka: Any soldering skills?
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[20:38] <hid3> Greetings everyone. Is Raspberry Pi B+ case backwards compatible with RPi B without plus?
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[20:48] <mfa298> hid3: unlikely, the original B had a different layout to the B+/2B/3B
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[21:05] <shauno> I'd usually assume they weren't compatible at all. the original B was very different (I think the ethernet & gpio were the only connectors in the same position as the B+, and very different mounting holes)
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[21:07] <shauno> even ethernet I'm not sure about. iirc it was moved to overhang the board a bit more so it lined up with the usb better
[21:10] <hid3> alright, got it
[21:10] <mfa298> It's possible there's some basic case (base and pilar mounts) that might take both boards, but any fully enclosed case isn't going to work between the two
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[21:12] <shauno> I still believe the most compatible case is the carboard is ships in. ask a grownup to help you with the scissors :)
[21:13] <mfa298> at least one of my original Pi's came in a plastic box which might be a bit harder to modify ;)
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[21:17] <Cutebyte> Hello. Does anybody know what that part is on board of Raspberry Pi 3B? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/204648659248218113/385148902292193280/unknown.png
[21:17] <Cutebyte> Its getting super hot on mine and I believe thats the reason mine stopped working.
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[22:41] <tremby> I just switched case since I got an add-on card for my Pi 3. With the old case, I had a thermal pad thing on the CPU which contacted a metal extension of the case, so the case acted as a heatsink. The new case has no such thing. Given that I have no heatsink now, am I better cleaning the thermal pad off the CPU or leaving it there?
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[22:44] <rainingimpala> Hey, folks!
[22:45] <H4ndy> tremby: clean the thermal compound off
[22:45] <H4ndy> beside that heatsinks are usually not required when you dont run your pi on 100% load 24/7
[22:45] <rainingimpala> I'm looking to chain 2 RPi 3 Bs together so they can share hard drives and an ethernet connection
[22:45] <NoPinky> hi, if I had a RPi3 running as a wifi access point and I have a webserver on it serving a web app. Now I connect from my laptop to this access point and call the web app, I would usually call it via IP:port, like 192.168.1.1:8000. But how can I configure it so that I could call the web app via www.mycoolwebapp.com from my laptop (that only conencts
[22:45] <NoPinky> to the RPi access point with no internet)?
[22:46] <NoPinky> there is a term for that, but I can't find it so I could google for it myself
[22:46] <rainingimpala> How would I do that?
[22:47] <H4ndy> rainingimpala: not easily done as you cannot share physical hardware
[22:47] <rainingimpala> Not over a NAS?
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[22:47] <NoPinky> @rainingimpala: easiest way is to connect them via ethernet or wifi with an wifi router that has usb port and network drive sharing built in
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[22:47] <tremby> H4ndy: OK, thanks. I run Kodi on it, and I think it works pretty hard when eg decoding 1080p video
[22:47] <rainingimpala> I was planning
[22:47] <H4ndy> tremby nah thats fine
[22:47] <rainingimpala> Oops didn't mean to send that haha
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[22:48] <NoPinky> @rainingimpala: that kind of router is not that expensive, quite common actually
[22:48] <H4ndy> I am running a Pi2 for abnout 2 years now 24/7 doing VPN and light to medium internet stuff in a plastic case, no issues
[22:48] <rainingimpala> I use a Flter router, which only has 2 Eth ports
[22:49] <H4ndy> NoPinky: install DNS server on the pi which resolves your local domain
[22:49] <rainingimpala> 1 is currently occupied through a connection to my modem so I only have 1
[22:49] <rainingimpala> *1 Eth port left
[22:52] <rainingimpala> Hmmm...
[22:52] <rainingimpala> What if I set up a cluster? That way they can share power and if I set the cluster up as a NAS then they can share hard drives, right?
[22:52] <rainingimpala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHJ4ZeXT_Zc
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[23:04] <xaviergmail> Hey, what are some good libraries/frameworks for building "slick" touch interfaces? I don't mind what language it's in.
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[23:18] <ktokko> does the current pihole default list work to block ads within youtube on android tv (nvidia shield 2017 model) once we set up a static ip and set the dns (still waiting on a video converter cable to use the shield and haven't been able to check)
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[23:21] <ktokko> or maybe the question would be more broadly applicable to the youtube-app specific for any android device?
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[23:45] <wasutton3_work> is there a quick way to see if the kernel has been compiled with a particular option?
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[23:58] <UskoKyykka> wasutton3_work: /boot/config-<kernel version> (not sure if it exists on Raspbian, but Debian has it)
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[23:59] <wasutton3_work> nah, you have to modprobe config, then zgrep /proc/config.gz
[23:59] <wasutton3_work> found that out

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