#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-11-29

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[0:00] <barcabuona> hey guys does anybody know the rpi display? it has multiple power connections for the compo rpi+display.
[0:00] <barcabuona> double power, 5v+ground pins + power the screen, usb-miniusb + power the screen
[0:00] <barcabuona> can i do one of the latter 2 and also power the rpi when i want to remove the rpi from the screen but keep it active?
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[0:27] <MysT_DooM> first time raspberry user. installing raspbian at the moment. excited to see what i can do with this
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[0:36] <MysT_DooM> just so i understand the concept. pi runs everything from an sd card? so you can load various sd cards with different scripts or operating systems with the raspberry pi just being the loading platform
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[0:37] <mSSM> MysT_DooM: Well, it's a full fledged computer. The SD card is the bootable medium, just like an SSD or HDD would be in your computer/laptop.
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[0:39] <GrandPa-G> MysT_DooM:you take out the sd card, the system will stop (badly)
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[0:42] <MysT_DooM> i c
[0:42] <stiv> it's not stopped. it's just pining for the fjords
[0:42] <MysT_DooM> interesting
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[1:40] <Helldesk> lastlog -clear
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[3:03] <YippMN> hi anyone here?
[3:04] <YippMN> just checking , hope to get raspberry pi for chistmas and just seeing if there is an active channel
[3:06] <ali1234> this channel is fairly active yes
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[3:07] <bberg> Any ideas why my screen stays black after the -o -p command?
[3:07] <bberg> but works before i do that
[3:08] <ali1234> what command? those are just arguments
[3:08] <bberg> tvservice
[3:08] <bberg> ~ $ sudo /usr/bin/tvservice -o
[3:08] <ali1234> ah okay
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[3:10] <ali1234> there's a few reasons that can happen
[3:10] <ali1234> one is that setting a mode doesn't create a console surface, so there can be nothing to display
[3:10] <ali1234> another is that you might have some other blanker running (ie X or console)
[3:11] <bberg> but remoting in shows all of the stuff
[3:11] <ali1234> probably the former then
[3:11] <ali1234> the graphics hardware in the pi is a bit weird
[3:13] <YippMN> ali1234, ok thanks do you know of anyone here that has installed gentoo
[3:13] <ali1234> YippMN: yes, i have seen people here talk about that
[3:13] <YippMN> ali1234, ok good thanks
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[3:17] <bberg> why would that be the case
[3:17] <bberg> it shows stuf fbefore the -o
[3:17] <ali1234> bberg: the pi has no hardware framebuffer
[3:17] <ali1234> it has a virtual framebuffer which has to be created separately to changing the screen mode
[3:17] <ali1234> if you mess around with tvservice, that vfb can get destroyed, and tvservice will not make a new one for you
[3:18] <ali1234> or, not destroyed but "removed from the list of things to draw on the screen"
[3:18] <ali1234> so the software keeps drawing into that buffer, but the hardware forgets about it and does not draw it
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[3:19] <ali1234> i told you it was weird...
[3:19] <ali1234> those buffers are allocated by the GPU firmware
[3:19] <ali1234> there isn't just one, there can be hundreds, and the GPU combines them all in real time to produce what you see on the screen
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[3:21] <bberg> haha
[3:21] <bberg> so how does one address that?
[3:21] <ali1234> don't mess around with tvservice
[3:21] <bberg> i want to turn the monitor off after 11pm and back on at 6m
[3:22] <ali1234> tvservice is not the way to do it
[3:22] <bberg> any other options?
[3:22] <bberg> sure sure :p
[3:22] <ali1234> what kind of monitor is it?
[3:22] <bberg> VGA with a vga/hdmi adapt
[3:23] <ali1234> you could try cec-client, but that is meant for direct connection to a HDMI monitor
[3:23] <ali1234> if you are lucky, your adapter might be smart enough to translate, but don't count on it
[3:24] <ali1234> depending on the application, you might be able to use tvservice like now, but restart whatever graphical application you are using
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[3:25] <ali1234> that means restarting X if you are running the full desktop (and all programs)
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[3:26] <ali1234> but also don't overlook the possibility that something else is also blanking the screen
[3:26] <ali1234> there's about 3 different blanking daemons on a typical raspbian desktop, and they can be annoying to get rid of
[3:26] <bberg> hmm - what do you mean my adapter is smart enough
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[3:36] <bberg> ali1234: ^
[3:37] <ali1234> i mean it probably wont work
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[3:37] <bberg> but it works on boot up. are you saying that it wont have off/on?
[3:37] <ali1234> yes
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[3:49] <Hitechcg> Is it safe to just ignore the Pi 3's overheating warning while playing YouTube videos in Chromium?
[3:49] <ali1234> yes
[3:50] <ali1234> it will just go slower to compensate
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[4:06] <bberg> ali1234: vcgen looks like the trick. Ty for some help
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[4:25] <rainingimpala> Hello, peeps
[4:25] <rainingimpala> Why would one choose to set up nextCloud over a NAS?
[4:25] <rainingimpala> On an RPi server?
[4:25] <rainingimpala> What's the difference?
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[4:34] <Zardoz> rainingimpala: personal cloud and NAS are becoming about the same a lot of new NAS products have personal cloud features.
[4:34] <rainingimpala> Zardoz: lol yeah that's what's confusing me!
[4:35] <rainingimpala> I keep reading about NAS solutions as "personal clouds"
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[4:35] <rainingimpala> But then nextCloud and ownCloud (and similar solutions) are also, and "more correctly so," actually personal clouds
[4:35] <Zardoz> yeah, they are more and more becoming the same.
[4:36] <rainingimpala> Any personal experience with solution(s) that have worked for you?
[4:36] <rainingimpala> Mobile and desktop access, of course
[4:36] <Zardoz> however there are some old NAS units out there that do not offer cloud functions.
[4:37] <Zardoz> yeah the Cloud software is more just cloud and not really NAS.
[4:38] <Zardoz> there is also a lot of NAS that you can add cloud like owncloud and the like.
[4:39] <Zardoz> kind of like plugins
[4:39] <rainingimpala> I just read another comment like that online as you said that haha
[4:39] <rainingimpala> About running nextCloud from OpenMediaVault
[4:40] <Zardoz> heck some newer powerful routers even offer NAS/cloud
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[4:40] <rainingimpala> So I guess I could set up my RPi to run OMV and set up nextCloud as a plugin through OMV
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[4:40] <Zardoz> yup
[4:40] <rainingimpala> Nice
[4:40] <rainingimpala> Thanks!
[4:41] <Zardoz> anytime
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[4:42] <Zardoz> only problem with NAS on a pi it's dam slow.
[4:43] <rainingimpala> Yeah I can imagine :/
[4:43] <rainingimpala> But I'm just getting started with self-hosting and I'd like to build a system myself to see how all the parts come together
[4:44] <rainingimpala> Plus I've never dealt with networking, servers, and system administration stuff too much and I'd like to learn, so this is a good project for me!
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[4:44] <Zardoz> understandable, and a good low cost way to do it.
[4:45] <rainingimpala> Once I get things up and running in a portable manner, I think I'll switch to a more beefy system (if need be... I may be too busy with other things to even care for a couple years hahaha)
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[5:13] <chocolaterobot> Hi everyone. I have recently opened up a Pi from its sealed anti-static bag and I'm so excited to get it working
[5:13] <HrdwrBoB> exciting
[5:13] <chocolaterobot> However, it's an Orange Pi. Can I get help here, or am I in the wrong place?
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[5:17] <HrdwrBoB> eh
[5:17] <HrdwrBoB> depends
[5:20] <chocolaterobot> HrdwrBoB: i will use it in my car. When a door is opened, a discrete camera (not a Pi component) connected to the Pi will start recording. and will record for the next 30 minutes
[5:20] <HrdwrBoB> to what end?
[5:20] <HrdwrBoB> how is it different to a dashcam
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[5:46] <chocolaterobot> HrdwrBoB: mine will be hidden. dashcam is exposed for all to see
[5:47] <chocolaterobot> Can a Raspberry Pi OS also run on an Orange Pi?
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[6:06] <Zardoz> chocolaterobot: Orange Pi is not from the Raspberry Pi Foundation. It is made by a Chinese manufacture. and kind of a clone is some parts. Orange Pi have ported Raspbian in some ways but it would be best to look at the downloads on http://www.orangepi.org/
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[6:12] <chocolaterobot> thanks, Zardoz . I'm now on http://www.orangepi.org/downloadresources/ and scrolled down to the Orange Pi Lite section. It has 11 things, including Rasbian, Ubuntu LXDE desktop, Debian XFCE desktop, Lubuntu, Armbian, Ubuntu Server
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[7:53] <chocolaterobot> mamamia
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[8:06] <tnewman> thats a spicey meatball
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[8:10] <chocolaterobot> will this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Orange-Pi-Open-source-IP-Camera-with-wide-angle-lens-Smart-Home-Control-Device-for-PC/ work for the OrangePiLite?
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[8:12] <Lartza> Ask orange pi people not us raspberry pi people
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[8:17] <chocolaterobot> Lartza: ok
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[8:29] <ktokko> how can i enable spell checking on firefox-esr/raspbian?
[8:30] <ktokko> the option is ticked in the preferences to check spelling as you type, but it's not showing that... do we need to install some dictionary pack for english?
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[8:52] <ktokko> does installing "hunspell" work for other applications? i noticed libreoffice doesn't check spelling either
[8:53] <ktokko> in the add/remove programs, i typed "spell checker" but there were a ton of results and many things already pre-checked within the list (a lot of them had to do with Aspell)
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[8:58] <ktokko> i also typed "hunspell" in the add/remove gui and seeing several listings of which are pre-checked by default - i wanted to get spell checking working for the included libreoffice and also for firefox-esr to detect spelling and show corrections like how i'm able to see on windows.
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[13:53] <Creyon> Hey
[13:53] <Creyon> I've interest in making a rasp pi seed box
[13:54] <Creyon> My concern is how I would power the hard drive as I can't imagine the pi would be able to?
[13:54] <ShorTie> depends on hard drive
[13:54] <ShorTie> and power supply
[13:54] <Zardoz> also you can use a powered USB hub
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[13:57] <Creyon> If I use a USB hub would it be possible to connect multiple hdd to one pi Zardoz? Sorry for the Irish questions.
[13:57] <Zardoz> personally I like a self powered USB hard drive. that way you dont need to deal with the powered USB hub.
[13:57] <Creyon> Need to iron out my strats
[13:58] <Zardoz> yes you can
[13:58] <Creyon> Ah naisu
[13:58] <Creyon> Thanks
[13:58] <ShorTie> Pleaze don't assume all your problems go away with a hub, it still may not have the power needed
[13:58] <Zardoz> you can also connect other USB devices to that hub.
[13:59] <Creyon> Hmm
[13:59] <Creyon> So self powered hdd?
[13:59] <Zardoz> ShorTie: if you have a good powered hub it works fine.
[14:00] <ShorTie> I know, mine uses a 7amp supply
[14:00] <Creyon> Hm
[14:00] <Zardoz> I my setups with nice powered hubs work great.
[14:00] <Zardoz> just dont cheap out on the powered hub
[14:00] <ShorTie> 1st pick your hard drive, then figure out the power
[14:00] <Creyon> OK
[14:01] <Creyon> You guys set up a pi seed box before ?
[14:01] <ShorTie> might find a 2.5" hard drive may use less power
[14:01] <Zardoz> not sure what that even is? like a bit torrent?
[14:01] <Creyon> Yes
[14:01] <Creyon> Moving into a building which has 1 gbps upload
[14:01] <Creyon> So want to get my ratios up
[14:01] <Zardoz> not really.
[14:02] <oq> a pi isn't going to get anywhere close to saturating that 1gbps
[14:02] <oq> it has a 100mbit nic for one
[14:02] <Zardoz> no
[14:02] <Zardoz> not at all
[14:02] <Creyon> Oh shit really?
[14:02] <ShorTie> 'building' might not like that type of stuff
[14:02] <Creyon> Well it's an isp
[14:02] <Creyon> :p
[14:03] <Zardoz> like 3 to 5MB/s if even that much?
[14:03] <oq> and a single usb 2 bus which all 4 usbs and the nic share
[14:03] <Zardoz> I/O on the pi is slow.
[14:03] <Creyon> Hm
[14:04] <oq> just pay for a seedbox in the cloud
[14:04] <Creyon> When you have 1000 / 1000 it's a shame not to utilise it though
[14:05] <Zardoz> I would try and find a cheap intel NUC type PC
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[14:06] <oq> Creyon: depends if its you paying for the 1000/1000 though
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[14:06] <Creyon> It will be.
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[14:06] <oq> if this is just your house why seedbox at all
[14:06] <oq> get a cheap tower server or something
[14:06] <Creyon> Cos elec is expensive
[14:08] <Creyon> I looked at the cost of just running my desktop 24/7 and it wasn't pretty. Granted my desktop is fairly high end..
[14:08] <Yonben> Well considering the low cost of anything-rpi, I would at least try and see how well it works for you :_
[14:08] <oq> Creyon: if you were in the eu I would recommend a gen8 microserver
[14:09] <oq> shame the gen10's are crap
[14:09] <Creyon> Affordable, know what the wattage is?
[14:10] <oq> depends if you push it
[14:10] <Zardoz> oq: jez that thing is expensive.
[14:11] <oq> expensive?
[14:11] <oq> I think mine was something like £130 after cashback
[14:11] <Creyon> Ah really? Can you claim that even if youre not a company?
[14:12] <Yonben> oq Remeber we're in #raspberrypi so still relatively expensive
[14:13] <Zardoz> I might be look at the wrong thing but I show it to be like $900 US
[14:13] <Yonben> Yep found the same thing
[14:13] <jacekowski> what would be a good pressure sensor option for rpi that i can get in local electronics shop
[14:13] <oq> Zardoz: yeah, that's why I said if they were in the eu. They are ridiculously expensive over there for some reason
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[14:14] <Creyon> Where did you buy yours oq? Ebuyer?
[14:15] <oq> yep, shame ebuyer only does the gen10's now
[14:15] <Creyon> Ah. How come they're trash?
[14:15] <Zardoz> Creyon: I would try the pi anyways, you are looking at an overtime thing anyways who cares about the speed.
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[14:15] <Creyon> Suppose Zardoz. No reason I couldn't run multiple either
[14:16] <oq> well they removed the IPMI (out of band management), changed the replaceable intels with soldered on amd SoC's
[14:16] <Zardoz> just have a 2 or 3MB/s sec going all the time
[14:16] <Zardoz> true thaty
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[14:16] <Creyon> Gb uploaded every 5 min hmm
[14:17] <Yonben> 1 pi / tracker
[14:17] <Yonben> :D
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[14:17] <Creyon> Terabyte every 3 and a half hours
[14:17] <Creyon> Not bad
[14:17] <Zardoz> Creyon: my seeding on my nas only runs at 5MB/s
[14:17] <Creyon> Hm. How expensive was the nas?
[14:18] <Zardoz> I have cap it at that rate.
[14:18] <Creyon> Ah
[14:18] <Creyon> What nas do you own
[14:18] <Zardoz> the one I have was 800 or so US not including drives. it a big one
[14:19] <Creyon> You can install torrent software on it?
[14:19] <Creyon> Transmission?
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[14:19] <Zardoz> Synology 8 Bay\
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[14:20] <Zardoz> yes it has one built in, but you can use transmission plugins as well.
[14:21] <Creyon> Ah nice
[14:21] <Creyon> The wattage is nice too. Think I'll do that. Thanks Zardoz
[14:21] <ShorTie> maybe look at http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G143599699669
[14:22] <Zardoz> yeah look at it. it's a good option. and you can do a lot on them depending on the model you get.
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[14:23] <Creyon> That's neat ShorTie but I don't have the time to gain the neccesary know how to carry that out haha
[14:23] <Zardoz> ShorTie: I seen that the other day.
[14:23] <Creyon> Think I'll go the nas option. Thanks for helping guys
[14:23] <Creyon> For the help *
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[14:25] <Creyon> Next question
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[14:26] <Zardoz> but from what I seen the cost was still high abd you had to DiY the heall out of it.
[14:26] <Creyon> But if I'm going to be uploading to get my ratio up some of it might be strictly Uhh.. Non paid for.
[14:26] <Creyon> What is a good UK or European based vpn
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[14:28] <Zardoz> Creyon: so many options on that. you are going to need to shop and find what you like.
[14:28] <Creyon> Alright thanks
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[14:31] <mich1x> Hello
[14:32] <mich1x> I wanted to use the raspberry pi 3 as a daily driver for few months and I have some questions before i do so
[14:32] <DrJ> ask away
[14:33] <mich1x> Is it possible to use a external 2.5 hdd as main space instead of a sd card? I heard that if you lose electricity and the os isn't shutdown properly i will have to reflash the sd card which would be impossible since my only computer would be the raspberry
[14:34] <mich1x> The hdd would have 3 partitions ( backup one with my stuff, OS one for the raspberry, and a partition for files like movies and mp3)
[14:34] <mich1x> and another question can i transfer files from raspberry to a mobile phone ?
[14:34] <DrJ> you shouldn't have to reflash the sd card just because you lose power... of course, it is possible something could get messed up
[14:34] <DrJ> but unlikely
[14:34] <DrJ> rpi must have a SD card to boot
[14:35] <DrJ> https://learn.adafruit.com/external-drive-as-raspberry-pi-root?view=all
[14:35] <mich1x> And another questions, sorry for so many but I really must be sure that I will be able to use this as my main pc for ~5 months, so i need to know everything: which os uses the lowest amount of hardware resources, i need a os for web browsing, mail, and movie streaming
[14:36] <DrJ> looks like a good walkthrough of what you want there
[14:36] <Zardoz> you can set it up to boot from a hard drive, but the same tyoe of things can happen if shut down improper. it more like about data corruption. and it's possible on any OS.
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[14:37] <DrJ> mich1x, the most minimal would be like raspbian lite
[14:37] <DrJ> which would be just a shell (command line) only out of the box
[14:37] <DrJ> you probably however will want raspbian with desktop
[14:38] <mich1x> so raspbian as main os ok
[14:38] <mich1x> what about the data corruption how can i prevent this since i wont have any other hardware to make a new bootable sd card
[14:38] <Zardoz> mich1x: personally I would not use a pi as a dally driver. I mean it can be done, but...
[14:39] <DrJ> mich1x: you could lessen the chance by using a UPS
[14:39] <Zardoz> mich1x: UPS indeed just like any system...
[14:39] <DrJ> another thing you could do is image the sd card and make at least one or two backups that are ready to go (just be plugged in)
[14:39] <mich1x> not enough funds to get a ups
[14:40] <mich1x> i could get a intel compute stick
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> you can boot off SD then have root on usb..
[14:40] <mich1x> but not enough
[14:40] <mich1x> and intel compute stick doesnt have audio out
[14:40] <DrJ> mich1x, the rpi uses so little even a low end UPS will work
[14:40] <DrJ> in USA that would start around $20
[14:40] <mich1x> what about a power bank
[14:41] <DrJ> don't quote me, but even a cheap UPS like that would probably keep a rpi3 running for a few hours at least
[14:41] <Zardoz> yeah you dont need much at all.
[14:41] <DrJ> as long as you don't plug other things like your monitor into it
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> power banks are fine - I've used an Akner one in the past - it can charge & supply at the same time, but charges really really slowly... (3 days from fully flat in my test)
[14:42] <mich1x> @gordonDrogon, I dont need to charge anything
[14:42] <mich1x> i just need that the data isnt corupted when i use the rpi
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> you might if you are using a usb power bank as a ups ...
[14:42] <DrJ> mich1x: in the end there is no way to abolustely 100% prevent data corruption
[14:43] <DrJ> it happens, rpi or not
[14:43] <DrJ> I mean, three days from now your external drive could crap out
[14:43] <mich1x> So 2x sd card with os
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> fwiw: I regularly "pull the plug" on Pi's and have not had SD card corruption due to pulling the plug.
[14:43] <DrJ> gordonDrogon: same here
[14:43] <mich1x> + power bank ups and i should be mostly ok ?
[14:43] <Zardoz> mich1x: you dont need to fixate on corruption. it is not any more or less then any other computer system.
[14:43] <DrJ> I do it way more than I should
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> and from what I recall, the foundation did a test which ran for several weeks - regularly power cycling a Pi via a relay...
[14:44] <mich1x> @Zardoz, I was watching some guide on youtube and the guy said that the sd card corrupts often on the pi
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> I buy god quality SD cards though from reputable sources.
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> I think there is a huge variance in SD card quality.
[14:44] <DrJ> gordonDrogon: bingo
[14:44] <DrJ> most that get corrupted are pieces of crap to begin with
[14:44] <DrJ> that you shouldn't be using
[14:44] <Zardoz> yeah a lot of people like to cheap out.
[14:44] <DrJ> I've never had one corrupt on me either
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[14:45] <Zardoz> same woth power supplies.
[14:45] <Zardoz> with*
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> I have seen one 'wear out' - it was used on my asterisk system which was logging and call recording very frequently.
[14:45] <mich1x> So i shouldn't worry about this?
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> mich1x, did you ever wory in the days of Win-95 ?
[14:46] <mich1x> i wasnt born in the days of win 95
[14:46] <mich1x> :P
[14:46] <DrJ> mich1x: I wouldn't worry... but again like you've been told many times it could happen to any computer system
[14:46] <mich1x> yeah okay then it was some false alarm then I guess
[14:46] <DrJ> I mean, even your rpi3, although unlikely, could crap out in a week
[14:46] <mich1x> I don't worry about the data I just want to have a running os on the rpi
[14:47] <DrJ> then I'd recommend getting multiple SD cards get one up and running
[14:47] <DrJ> once you have one all set make an image of it and copy it to the other SD cards
[14:47] <mich1x> yeah will do but it add's to the cost
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[14:47] <mich1x> and another question what about rpi3 model b lifespan
[14:47] <DrJ> sounds like your concern justifies the cost
[14:47] <mich1x> can it last the 5months of usage?
[14:47] <DrJ> yes
[14:48] <DrJ> but it could also die tomorrow
[14:48] <DrJ> or 10 seconds from now
[14:48] <mich1x> I don't have one yet
[14:48] <Zardoz> lol
[14:48] <mich1x> will order it but I mean whats the general lifespan
[14:48] <DrJ> or it could still be running strong 47 years from now
[14:48] <mich1x> without any additional heatsink
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[14:49] <Zardoz> DrJ: in might not work out of the box :P
[14:49] <DrJ> overall they will last a good while... heatsinks aren't needed unless you overclock, and even then they can survive without
[14:49] <DrJ> yep
[14:49] <mich1x> And what about movie streaming to vlc
[14:49] <mich1x> like 720p movies or tv series watching through vlc on the pi
[14:49] <mich1x> is it doable
[14:49] <Zardoz> slow and will drop frames
[14:50] <Zardoz> well not really slow but may drop frames,.
[14:51] <mich1x> ok and javascript heave sites like banking
[14:51] <mich1x> do they work ?
[14:51] <mich1x> or i can assueme no one tried it
[14:51] <Zardoz> you got to remember this a learning/hobbits system. as it can do a lot, it does have it's limits.
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> I have my original Pi with original SD card - now 5.5 years old. Admittedly it's not on all the time, however it still works just fine.
[14:52] <DrJ> personally I would not use a rpi as my desktop system for everyday use
[14:52] <DrJ> can be done, but I would never survive on it
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> remember there are about 14 million Pi's out there now.... and major issue would be bleated quickly and loudly...
[14:53] <mich1x> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (x64) • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7500 CPU @ 3.40GHz (3.40GHz) • Memory: 8.0 GiB Total (5.8 GiB Free) • Storage: 46.1 GiB / 1.0 TiB (996.6 GiB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3GB • Uptime: 1d 0h 13m 31s
[14:53] <DrJ> all mine are shell access only running server type apps
[14:53] <mich1x> What can I say will be hard to switch from this to a RPI3
[14:53] <mich1x> but i have some priorities and I need to get out of my comfort zone to do some irl stuff
[14:53] <DrJ> why are you wanting to switch?
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> why do it?
[14:53] <mich1x> MAybe I can get a good rig in the future
[14:54] <mich1x> Like I said will go study and other irl stuff
[14:54] <mich1x> Maybe it will make me good to take a break from a real pc
[14:54] <mich1x> I will need a laptop anyway but not yet
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[14:58] <mich1x> and also use the rpi3 for gaming like another separate sd card for retropie
[14:58] <mich1x> and have some roms on a usb pendrive
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[15:01] <mich1x> I mean it can't be so bad, pc hardware a few years ago was worse than the pi wasnt it ?
[15:01] <oq> no
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[15:03] <oq> it's hard to compare because the architecture is so different
[15:03] <Zardoz> mich1x: your expectations are way to high. again as I have stated and others I would not use a RPi as a main system.
[15:04] <mich1x> I understand that the load times may be long
[15:04] <mich1x> but overall it will load the sites?
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[15:06] <gordonDrogon> mich1x, do you have a Pi yet?
[15:06] <mich1x> No, will order in few days
[15:06] <ktokko> i also typed "hunspell" in the add/remove gui and seeing several listings of which are pre-checked by default - i wanted to get spell checking working for the included libreoffice and also for firefox-esr to detect spelling and show corrections like how i'm able to see on windows.
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> Your experience will be nothing like your current desktop. Nothing whatsoever. It will be slow and not all sites will load.
[15:07] <ktokko> in the add/remove programs, i typed "spell checker" but there were a ton of results and many things already pre-checked within the list (a lot of them had to do with Aspell) ^^
[15:07] <ktokko> this was for raspbian/rpi3
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> ktokko, gogle for how to do it with debian - it'll be the same.
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[15:08] <ktokko> hey gordonDrogon - so just to clarify, there was no built in dictionary right?
[15:08] <ktokko> at least for english language spell checking?
[15:08] <mich1x> Ok thanks for the opinions guys
[15:08] <mich1x> will sleep with this
[15:09] <ktokko> mich1x, i've only had the pi for less than a week... web browsing is pretty subpar
[15:09] <ktokko> but i installed firefox-esr + noscript 5.x (last supported version) + ublock origin, and that helps for a lot of non-media pages
[15:10] <ktokko> i also disabled hardware acceleration on firefox (via the standard preferences menu)
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[15:11] <ktokko> i did try amazon video streaming on chromium but it was not good at all (had to try a modified chromium from github to even attempt it to work)... youtube may work better on chromium but i haven't tested it.
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[15:11] <gordonDrogon> ktokko, I've no idea. I don't use a Pi for desktop use. I use a Devuan Linux desktop.
[15:12] <ktokko> the only browsing i'm using the pi for is more forum based typing than anything...
[15:12] <ktokko> still have to figure how to get firefox-esr's useragent to stop switching to mobile google result each time (i have to switch to classic results each time)
[15:14] <ktokko> mich1x, to put it into perspective, even when i tried browsing amazon dot com website for regular listing search, it crashed chromium browser that came bundled with raspbian os (no media playback) and this is a fast microsd class 10.
[15:14] <ktokko> it was one of the first few things i was testing on the pi
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[17:50] <gloomy> Hello :)
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[17:51] <gloomy> I'm trying to connect to my new rbpi over an ethernet wire as I don't have an hdmi display available. I started a dhcp server on the right interface (bootdp on macos), connected the pi and turned it on, but it doesn't seem to be working (the pi doesn't show up when I do a network scan). any idea?
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[17:53] <gloomy> let me know if there's some more info I need to provide
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[17:56] <shiftplusone> gloomy: what's on the card the pi is using?
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[17:58] <ktokko> what
[17:58] <ktokko> what
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[17:58] <ktokko> s the idle temperature for the rpi-3b typically for you all?
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[17:59] <ktokko> I'm noticing at least from the temp-monitor from raspbian @~49-65 - mostly on the web browser
[17:59] <ali1234> about 45-50 degrees
[17:59] <ali1234> its cold here tho
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[18:00] <gloomy> mmh, all I know is it's raspbian
[18:01] <gloomy> trying to find my sd reader without much success, sorry :p
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[18:02] <gloomy> it's supposed to be configured so you can connect to it with an ethernet cable and ssh into it
[18:03] <ktokko> i see ali1234 - i'm using the stock pi case with the cover open... i didn't add any heatsink to it (i have the 2 aluminum ones but didn't apply them yet as i was looking at another flirc case and checking reviews if that was helpful).
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[18:04] <ali1234> small heatsinks don't do much
[18:05] <gloomy> ok, managed to open the sd card
[18:05] <gloomy> shiftplusone, What do you need to know?
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[18:12] <ktokko> i looked around on amazon dot com for some larger pi3-b heatsinks but didn't come up with any larger heatsinks ali1234 - i usually order from there
[18:13] <ali1234> the very best ones are the solid aluminium cases which have a built in heat spreader
[18:13] <ali1234> but a heatsink is mostly unnecessary
[18:14] <oq> built in heat spreader attached with junk thermal adhesive lol
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[18:18] <ktokko> the 2 tiny heatsinks which i haven't applied have that adhesive... i was going to remove them and put some other thermal paste on it.... alternatively, i noted the flirc case has a heatsink built in to the body but to the larger chip... there was another case with a fan that gets plugged into the pi-board but not sure if that's overkill or if there's some other limits... again, just exploring my options since it's only been
[18:18] <ktokko> a week with the unit
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[18:22] <ktokko> there's no hardware acceleration on the pi right? (i disabled this in case to save some resources on firefox)
[18:23] <ali1234> not for firefox
[18:23] <ktokko> ok cool... firefox-esr is running pretty stable right now
[18:24] <ktokko> i have noscript/ublock origin on it and that's been helping from stopping a lot of unneeded injections
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[18:25] <mich1x> Guys thanks for the help before
[18:25] <mich1x> I think i will just sell my gpu for now and keep the current setup
[18:26] <mich1x> The intel hd works fine and i guess its ton better then the raspberry
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[18:49] <kerio> <Zardoz> you got to remember this a learning/hobbits system
[18:49] <kerio> my preciousssssss
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[18:50] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: embrace the systemd
[18:50] <kerio> nooooooou :<
[18:50] <ali1234> its so good tho
[18:50] <kerio> *so needlessly complicated tho
[18:50] <ali1234> not at all
[18:51] <BurtyB> what kerio said
[18:51] <ali1234> you guys...
[18:52] <mfa298> it's so much easier getting things to start with the right dependancies and in the right order with systemd compared to sysvinit
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[18:52] <mfa298> also no more worries of things crashing and never restarting
[18:53] <ali1234> yeah and you don't have to mess about with closing stdio
[18:53] <kerio> unless dbus crashes
[18:53] <kerio> in which case LOL REBOOT
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[18:53] * BurtyB *grumbles* at dbus too
[18:54] <ali1234> why would dbus crash
[18:54] <kerio> because it's awful
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[19:18] <Bilz> hi. i have a pi zero w and a pi 3 and ive set them up on my wifi network and enabled ssh. Now, when I ssh in to my pi 3 it's noticeably quicker than when sshing into my pi zero. that is, just when Im connecting. is this normal? I know the specs are higher on the pi 3 but i wouldn't have expected to see any difference just ssh'ing in
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[19:23] <gordonDrogon> ali1234, huh?
[19:24] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: it was just a joke cos you said you use devuan
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[19:24] <gordonDrogon> ali1234, ah right. as you were, etc.
[19:25] <ali1234> i've actually never heard anyone saying they use it before :)
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> Devuan?
[19:25] <ali1234> yeah
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> it's really no different to Debian Jessie with systemd removed as per the usual stuff online.
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[19:27] <ali1234> yeah, i know what it is, just never heard anyone casually mention that they use it outside of systemd hate threads
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> it's always nice to have choice.
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> which is mainly why I don't use systemd - I feel it's taking away too much choice.
[19:30] <ktokko> are there any raspbian settings to lower the temps? i disabled bluetooth since i don't use it (not sure how much of an effect that is)
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> what's the current temperature you're seeing?
[19:30] <ali1234> ktokko: the only setting that will lower the temp is lowering the clock speed
[19:30] <ali1234> which it does anyway if the temp gets too high
[19:30] <ktokko> ~50c-60c(latter when the browser is loaded)
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> that's fine. 80 is when you need to start to wory.
[19:31] <ktokko> i'm using that $10 rpi official case, no cover on...
[19:31] <ali1234> it's fine, don't worry about it
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[19:34] <ktokko> gotchya... didn't know if there were other things to disable which theoretically could assist (just to know like how ali1234 mentioned on underclocking) - i use the ethernet/usb components, also have a powered usb hub... not sure if the hdmi-vga adapter has any effect (this is on a vga 1024x768 max resolution display)... power supply is a 5.1v/2.5amp -
[19:34] <ktokko> more for general awareness while i use the rpi more...
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[19:37] <ktokko> any of y'all running pihole? wanted to know how the default lists are at blocking the native android youtube app - been able to do this on the latter with xposed/youtube-adaway on some older android versions.
[19:37] <ktokko> i have a nvidia shield tv (waiting on a cable converter for this), wonder if the pihole would block those ads once plugged into the home router.
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[19:44] <Technicus> Hello, I am having trouble understanding RetroPie. I am creating a handheld system with a Raspberry Pi A+. I am made a button matrix and am turning the button presses into keys with this program I wrote: < https://pastebin.com/ASMPxMvn >. When RetroArch starts a game it calls: < https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/blob/master/scriptmodules/supplementary/runcommand/runcommand.sh > which sets some configuration parameter
[19:45] <Technicus> Anyone understand RetroPie enough to help me figure this out?
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[19:58] <ali1234> Technicus: i think your message was cut off
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[20:00] <ali1234> Technicus: there is a gpio key matrix driver in the linux kernel, so you do not need to write your own
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[20:01] <ali1234> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/input/gpio-matrix-keypad.txt
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[20:05] <ali1234> since there is no overlay for that, you will have to make one
[20:05] <ali1234> you can find a short guide here: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/37796/how-to-use-i2c-gpio-with-raspberry-pi/37804#37804
[20:05] <ali1234> that is for a different driver, but the principle is the same
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[20:48] <Technicus> ali1234: < https://pastebin.com/ASMPxMvn >, < https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/blob/master/scriptmodules/supplementary/runcommand/runcommand.sh >.
[20:49] <ali1234> okay, what about them?
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[20:50] <Technicus> Thanks for the help.
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[20:50] <Technicus> Im not sure what was cut off.
[20:50] <ali1234> the part where you say what the problem is...
[20:52] <Technicus> I tried the matrix but it requires rebuilding the kernel and it fails.
[20:53] <ali1234> okay but what was the original problem?
[20:54] <Technicus> So basically the program I wrote works fine, but when the emulator starts it interferes with the matrix program.
[20:55] <Technicus> I can restart the program and works, but everytime I start the emulator, it tries to start joy2key.py which messes with the keymatrix program I worte.
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[21:00] <ali1234> Technicus: okay
[21:00] <ali1234> in what way does it interfere? what exactly happens?
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[21:03] <ali1234> i think i might see the problem
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[21:09] <ali1234> Technicus: uinput devices register as joystick, keyboard, and mouse
[21:09] <Technicus> ali1234: ok . . . I start my key matrix scanner, it works fine in the RetroPie menu system, but once an emulator starts something stops the matrix program from receiving the key presses.
[21:09] <ali1234> that might be confusing joy2key.sh since it scans for joysticks
[21:09] <Technicus> If I ssh in and restart the keymatrix program the input then does make it into the emulator.
[21:09] <ali1234> it will then suck in all the events from the device, but since they are already keys, it doesn't know how to deal with them
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[21:10] <ali1234> if you restart keymatrix scanner then it gets a new udev node and joy2key will no longer know about it since it only scans at startup
[21:10] <Technicus> I also kill joy2key.py when I restart the matrix program.
[21:11] <ali1234> so i suppose what you want is to just stop retropie from running joy2key.py completely?
[21:11] <Technicus> In the RetroPie runcommand.sh there is a function that starts and stops joy2key.py and I commented out the call to it, but the problem still persists.
[21:13] <ali1234> try making you keymatrix program send joystick events instead of keyboard events
[21:14] <Technicus> Also, does the kernel keymatrix require recompiling the kernel? I tried following some steps to do that but it failed, and I gave up on it because I'm not excited about spending 9 hours to compile something just to see it stop on an error.
[21:14] <ali1234> yes it does
[21:14] <ali1234> it is the optimal solution though
[21:14] <Technicus> Yeah . . . maybe I'll try it.
[21:15] <Technicus> So, I'll try that then, sending joystick instead of keypresses. But that just seems so messed up.
[21:16] <Technicus> A program that makes joystick presses, which could make key presses, but have another program interpet the joystic presses as key presses.
[21:17] <ali1234> yes
[21:17] <ali1234> joy2key.py is not very smart
[21:17] <ali1234> it could be improved
[21:17] <Technicus> I HATE joy2key.py!!!!
[21:17] <ali1234> idk if it is even the real cause
[21:18] <Technicus> Yeah, maybe my program is messed up.
[21:19] <Technicus> Do you know if there is a kernel somewhere that already has the keymatrix enabled that I could just download and use?
[21:20] <ali1234> i doubt it
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[21:20] <ali1234> compiling the kernel is not hard if you managed to write a program using uinput
[21:21] <ali1234> i will try to send a pull request which adds gpio matrix to the default kernel
[21:21] <ali1234> but it might not happen before christmas
[21:21] <Technicus> The difficult part about compiling the kernel is the compilation time.
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[21:21] <ali1234> cross compile it
[21:22] <Technicus> I tried that also, but it failed as well.
[21:22] <Technicus> Okay, I'll try again.
[21:22] <ali1234> pastebin the rror and i'll try to help
[21:23] <ali1234> i'm going for dinner soon but i'll be back later
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[21:23] <Technicus> Okay, have fun and stuff.
[21:23] <Technicus> Thanks for the encouragement!
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[21:23] <ali1234> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/kernel/building.md is the reference for kernel compiling
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[21:24] <Technicus> I'm also on an Arch Linux system.
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[21:43] <Technicus> How much hard drive space is required to compile the kernel.
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[21:49] <jero> hi! what could cause /dev/urandom to take 30 seconds before it's available on a Rpi compute module 3, while it's available right at boot time wih the same sdcard booted on a Rpi3 ? are there differences that should be accounted for software wise ?
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[22:01] <r3> takes time to fill up the entropy pool
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[22:02] <r3> what OS? They treat /dev/random and /dev/urandom differently sometimes
[22:02] <r3> but, typically, /dev/urandom shouldn't block
[22:03] <mlelstv> urandom blocks to get an initial seed
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[22:06] <jero> r3: this is a basic Buildroot userspace, just a rpi-4.9.y kernel (9126e25b) with a basic userspace that does nothing but reading urandom.
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[22:11] <jero> mlelstv: what makes me curious is that it takes <2sec on the rpi3, and >33s on the compute module 3 with the same firmware image.
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[22:12] <jero> the rpi3 and cm3 have two different device-tree blobs, is the selection of the dtb to be booted with done automatically ?
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[22:17] <invisiblek> the compute module doesn't have wifi or bt, which could be sources of entropy, no?
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[22:40] <bitbee> Do any of you guys use the Tinkerboard?
[22:40] <bitbee> Gonna order a pi and tinkerboard
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[22:43] <jero> invisiblek: maybe yes
[22:43] <bitbee> does it support monitor mode
[22:44] <jero> invisiblek: but it should use the hardware rng.. I'll investigate a bit
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[23:03] <nibsec> hello
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[23:13] <nibsec> i'm struggling to find a touch screen thin enough for my project, im thinking of using a smartphone screen but there doesnt seem to be many adapters available
[23:13] <nibsec> do you guys have any suggestions?
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[23:28] <DammitJim> nibsec, what do you mean you want a thin enough screen?
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[23:40] <nibsec> the ones designed for pi have the driver attached. i would need it on or near the pi.
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[23:58] <Hitechcg> jero: AFAIK the kernel doesn't seed the entropy pool with the hardware RNG automatically, that's left to something like rngd

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