#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-12-02

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[0:03] <Megaf> Hm, how do I tell ssh the interface I want it to use
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[0:04] <chod> you know its ip ?
[0:04] <Megaf> My pi has static IP, 192.168.0.102
[0:04] <Megaf> that's on wifi
[0:04] <Megaf> ah
[0:04] <Megaf> on wifi
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[0:05] <Megaf> that's why it's not connecting
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[0:05] <Megaf> I'm trying cable now
[0:05] <Megaf> I need to give my pi IP but not interwebs
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[0:05] <Megaf> ok, will just check the logs
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[0:08] <Megaf> ali1234: what am I looking for in the journal?
[0:08] <ali1234> the timestamp of each entry
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[0:12] <Megaf> Dec 1 22:45:09 Blacknium systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 1001.
[0:12] <Megaf> Dec 1 23:07:08 Blacknium systemd[1]: Time has been changed
[0:12] <Megaf> Dec 1 23:07:08 Blacknium systemd[633]: Time has been changed
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[0:12] <Megaf> Not sure what to tell from that
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[0:18] <ali1234> it looks reasonable
[0:18] <ali1234> not telling you where it got time from though
[0:18] <ali1234> systemd saves the time at shutdown
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[0:22] <Megaf> shutdown was unplugging the cable, coz no ssh nor keyboard
[0:22] <Latrina> since when has systemd been reasonable ? :P
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[0:23] <ShorTie> oh that no good
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[0:50] <SnowCrash> Anyone ran into an issue where the RPi's ethernet appears to be "dead"? As in, no LEDs coming on for a port; i've switched cables and plugged those cables into different ports with no luck, I've tried hard power-cycling it since I can't ssh in, any thoughts?
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[0:51] <GenteelBen> SnowCrash, could be a hardware issue?
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[0:51] <GenteelBen> I take it the port used to work, previously?
[0:52] <SnowCrash> Yeah, I've had it continually running as a DNS Server (PiHole) for a long period of time and just noticed recently it wasn't filtering queries anymore, I tried pinging it and then when I physically walked over I noticed no LED
[0:52] <SnowCrash> Power light is on, though
[0:53] <stiv> did your pi display a randomish, noiselike pattern before it died?
[0:54] <SnowCrash> stiv: not sure, its headless and not connected to a display or anything so I didn't notice it when it did happen
[0:54] <SnowCrash> actually I just noticed another thing that I missed
[0:54] <SnowCrash> only the red light is coming on for power, no green light
[0:54] <SnowCrash> maybe OS is corrupt? or is that hardware fault
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[0:57] <GenteelBen> Almost certainly hardware, but you can throw a new OS on it to be sure.
[0:57] <GenteelBen> Which Pi do you have?
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[0:59] <SnowCrash> Pi 3 Model B
[0:59] <SnowCrash> Would suck if its hardware, not the end of the world but definitely a bummer
[0:59] <SnowCrash> Might try imaging anyways since its all or nothing at this point
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[1:10] <GenteelBen> SnowCrash, is it still under warranty?
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[1:12] <SnowCrash> oh I don't think so I've had it for about 18 months
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[1:18] <mfa298> I'd tend to suspect the OS image/SD card failing before the Pi hardware. I've had plenty of OS/SD/PSU issus but very few dead Pis
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[1:24] <SnowCrash> mfa298 that's what I'm hoping and what random google-fu has suggested too, if the image fails I think I'll try another sd card before writing it off
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[1:29] <degenerate> Do all pi3's have builtin wifi? or is this a special feature in some boards?
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[1:38] <mfa298> degenerate: all Pi3B's have wifi (which is probably the only Pi3 you're thinking of)
[1:39] <mfa298> CM3 might not (but that's a specialist version) and I don't think anything confirmed about the 3A (if/when that ever gets released)
[1:40] <BurtyB> awe 3A where are you :(
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[2:06] <doub> Hi! I have a Pi Zero W configured as a Wifi access point. But when I turn the poweroff without shutting down the system, on all subsequent reboots the access point is no longer accessible. This is fixed by restarting the hostapd service, and doing a clean reboot. What can I do so that my Pi deals well with hard power downs?
[2:07] <SnowCrash> Dear channel I'm happy to announce that re-imaging seems to have resolved the issue. The green power light is on and the ethernet LED is back on too. :)
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[2:46] <squirrel> is this a good way to backup the pi? # dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 ibs=4M | pv | lz4 - remote-mounted-folder/backup.lz4 ?
[2:47] <squirrel> got here a 20% full 32gb sd card
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[2:53] <tristero> squirrel: not really -- if there's any file activity, you may get an inconsistent image. Either power down and copy the SD card, or back up at the file level (rsync -a, cp -a, or similar)
[2:54] <squirrel> i hear ya, but.. other than that?
[2:54] <squirrel> i'm just way too lazy
[2:57] <mfa298> if you want to fill your storage up with files that might just be garbage that might be a goo way to do it.
[2:58] <mfa298> as tristero said, the image will be inconsistent if anything changes during the backing, and considering the backup will take some minutes to complete there will be changes to the fs
[2:59] <tristero> too lazy? I back up my whole desktop with a single "rsync -ax ..." command in a cron job
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[3:00] <mfa298> I do most of my backups with rsync, but then I'm mostly intereted in the data (software and configs are done via good documentation and automation)
[3:00] <squirrel> rsync doesn't create an image you can just write to the card tho does it?
[3:01] <mfa298> squirrel: no, but your method won't provide a image that's gaurenteed to work if you just write it to an sd card either.
[3:01] <squirrel> with lz4 i just get a 3-4gb backup in a matter of minutes
[3:02] <squirrel> mhm
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[3:02] <squirrel> maybe there's something like windowses shadow copies?
[3:03] <mfa298> I suspect the matter of minutes will be 10+ minutes (read time of the whole SD is probably the limiting factor) and stuff will change in that time
[3:04] <red9> image can be recreated using the files.
[3:04] <squirrel> the network speed is the limiting factor here
[3:04] <mfa298> if you want a good backup in the form of an image then you really need to do an offline backup
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[3:05] <squirrel> hmh btrfs can do shadow copies. not ext4 tho
[3:05] <squirrel> i guess i better learn rsync
[3:06] <mfa298> I suspect the 32gb to read from the sd interface will be your limiting factor. network might become the bottleneck if your compressed file was more like 8gb.
[3:07] <squirrel> i've got a 100mbit router, so around 10mb/s is about as fast as it can go
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[3:10] <mfa298> the sd card might not manage much faster than the network, but you've got to read the whole sd card. If the SD could manage 40MByte/s the compressed image would need to be 8GB (over the 10MByte/s network) for the network to be the limit for a 32GB card.
[3:11] <squirrel> on the other hand, it's reading the middle of disk at 15MiB/s.. so i guess you are right
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[3:11] <squirrel> on rpi1, cpu was the bottleneck until i tried lz4
[3:12] <mfa298> rsync will be much faster as it's file level copy and will only transfer the files that change
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[3:13] <mfa298> there are options/wrappers that alsoo use hardlinks on the remote side so you can have a backup folder by day but without using more drive space than is needed
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[3:28] <xaviergmail> Hey, what's a convenient way to develop on a separate machine and upload code to a pi? Ideally I'd like to have some daemon watch a directory for changes on my development laptop and push those to the pi on the fly instead of rsyncing every time
[3:29] <doub> why don't you mount the remote directory over the network?
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[3:31] <xaviergmail> I want to be able to work on UI stuff locally without having the pi on me and I want the pi to be able to run on its own
[3:32] <xaviergmail> Ideally I'd use git but I can't really provide a wifi network all the time either ugh
[3:32] <doub> you can mount your dev box on the pi while you develop, and then unmount and push to it when you're done for the day
[3:33] <xaviergmail> Actually can the pi turn a single usb port into a host
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[3:33] <xaviergmail> s/host/device/
[3:34] <doub> root ports on some pis at least
[3:34] <mfa298> The pi zero can act as a usb device with gadget mode, the various B models cant
[3:34] <doub> if there's a hub then no
[3:35] <xaviergmail> aw that leaves me with BT
[3:35] <mfa298> git is possibly the right way to share code, you only need to have the devices connected when you sync the repos
[3:36] <xaviergmail> Unless the Pi can act as an access point
[3:36] <doub> it can
[3:36] <mfa298> I think you can setup the pi3 as an ap
[3:37] <doub> i use a pi zero w as an access point
[3:37] <xaviergmail> I'm using git for version control but I'll eventually want to 'flash' code without network access
[3:38] <mfa298> zerow should as well, but I'm assuming it's not a zero xaviergmail has
[3:38] <xaviergmail> I have a Pi 3 B
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[3:38] <xaviergmail> hm I'm so indecisive
[3:38] <doub> how would you flash code without network access?
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[3:39] <doub> like through jtag?
[3:39] <xaviergmail> I wanted to do it over usb preferably but I considered bluetooth for half a second also
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[3:41] <doub> you can have your pi boot from usb
[3:42] <doub> you can craft a special usb image that will run a temporary os and update the sd card
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[8:04] <asphaltdragon> I need some help doing a headless RasPi 0W setup. I flashed Raspbian with Etcher, added an ssh file and a wpa_supplicant.conf file to it, but it's not connecting. I think I might be saving the files in the wrong place. I was told to save them in the root directory of the boot partition, but that doesn't exist.
[8:08] <Jusii> boot partition is the fat partition that holds config.txt etc
[8:09] <Jusii> cmdline.txt etc
[8:09] <Zardoz> ^^^
[8:10] <asphaltdragon> Right. But I was told to save the files in the root directory on the boot partition. Boot exists, root directory does not.
[8:10] <Zardoz> its in the fat
[8:10] <asphaltdragon> There's a rootfs partition with a boot directory, and I'm wondering if that's what they meant.
[8:10] <Zardoz> config.txt
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[8:11] <Jusii> root means the / of the boot partition
[8:11] <asphaltdragon> Oh. Well that's where I'm saving the files, but it's not working.
[8:11] <Jusii> no directory with name root but that actual partition and directory that holds the above files, thats called root
[8:13] <asphaltdragon> Could the fact that my SSID has a space keep it from connecting? I know that's an odd assumption, but I figured I'd ask.
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[8:57] <oq> asphaltdragon: if it has quotes around it I don't think the space should affect it
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[9:02] <asphaltdragon> Oh, does it need the quotes? That's probably what I've been doing wrong then.
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[9:10] <asphaltdragon> oq: I'm an idiot, it did need the quotes. Working now, I just need ssh to actually connect.
[9:11] <oq> cool
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[9:39] <Basilic> hello all
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[10:12] <rendar> i have a bunch of videos, which some of them omxplayer can't play because of wrong video codecs, and it exits with error. Now, how i can automatize this? i'm able to make a little bash script for this, the only thing is that if the codec is good, omxplayer won't quit, but instead will start playing the video. How i can tell omxplayer check only the codec, then exists immediately?
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[10:19] <asphaltdragon> I have ssh working now, just trying to configure vnc. Realvnc server is downloaded and updated to 6.2.0, and I've got Realvnc viewer on my Android. Whenever I try to connect, it tells me the username or password is incorrect. I thought it was user:pi and password:raspberry, but is that not it?
[10:21] <Basilic> I think you can configure an user and passeword in RealVNC
[10:21] <H4ndy> vnc is using a different set of login afaik
[10:21] <Basilic> it's not the user logging and passeword
[10:21] <Basilic> VNC not opening a new session you just take the control
[10:23] <asphaltdragon> Well, I have no way to access the pi except through ssh, how would I configure vnc with ssh?
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[10:25] <Basilic> did you have open a graphical session?
[10:25] <asphaltdragon> No, command line
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[10:25] <Basilic> what would you like use VNC?
[10:25] <oq> https://www.realvnc.com/en/connect/docs/man/vncpasswd.html
[10:25] <oq> cli ^
[10:25] <Basilic> VNC is usefull to help user and take the hand on is session
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[10:26] <Basilic> is you need only shell, use SSH
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[10:28] <asphaltdragon> Yeah, I saw that already oq, but I wasn't sure where to actually type in the username and password I wanted
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[10:29] <asphaltdragon> Oh hang on, I've got it
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[10:32] <asphaltdragon> And still didn't work. I'm seriously about to give up, I've been working on this for three days. I've got to wait a week to order a micro usb hub, and then wait another week for it to actually get to me.
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[10:34] <Latrina> good morning
[10:34] <asphaltdragon> For you. :P
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[10:51] <herb_fargus> I just got the 3d xmas tree from pihut to play with the LED's and I've been trying to find a way to get the lights to blink based on the audio output. There are lots of guides that involve mics/sound cards for audio input or playing mp3's but I want a system wide equaliser that flashes the LED's whenever there is sound coming out of my pi (eg when I'm playing mario, etc) Is there any way to natively analyse the sound being p
[10:51] <herb_fargus> thout needing to loop it through external hardware?
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[11:00] <Latrina> asphaltdragon: where are you based?
[11:01] <Latrina> I used to live in Mexico for 2 years, only recently moved back to Europe 2 months ago
[11:01] <asphaltdragon> Alabama, near the coast
[11:01] <Latrina> can' really say I have managed to adjust back to GMT
[11:01] <Latrina> nice
[11:02] <asphaltdragon> Ha, I'm a night owl
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[11:02] <asphaltdragon> Especially when I'm working on something to refuses to cooperate
[11:03] <asphaltdragon> Which feels like most nights nowadays
[11:03] <H4ndy> herb_fargus: check maybe the pimorino pirate radio kit, they have something like that
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[11:05] <herb_fargus> I'm looking for a way to do it without external hardware. I'm trying to find a way to pass any audio signals generated on the pi to LED's
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[11:06] <H4ndy> thats what they do?
[11:06] <H4ndy> audio on the pi and then control a LED bar
[11:12] <herb_fargus> they use a plugin https://github.com/pimoroni/pivumeter to interface with their hardware. so I guess it's just a "simple" matter of modifying it to integrate with my LED as opposed to whatever it is they are selling
[11:13] <Latrina> so what would I want to do in order to get the dual fan to work?
[11:13] <Latrina> from what I can see it is disabled from within the kernel. reason why it is not working, I suppose
[11:13] <Latrina> I just can't figure how to enable it
[11:14] <Latrina> SENSORS_PWM_FAN
[11:14] <Latrina> oh yeha
[11:16] <Latrina> not sure if I will need anything else overlay wise
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[11:17] <Latrina> GPIO_FAN is also another potential isn't it?
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[11:17] <asphaltdragon> I've got a headache
[11:17] <asphaltdragon> in more ways than one
[11:18] <Latrina> sucks
[11:20] <asphaltdragon> Trying to configure this vnc through ssh is a huge pain, and I don't even know why it's not working now.
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[11:25] <Latrina> define pain
[11:30] <Hitechcg> An unpleasant sensation occurring in varying degrees of severity as a consequence of injury, disease, or emotional disorder.
[11:30] <Latrina> don't tell me than
[11:30] <Latrina> I have been living with PN for 4 years
[11:31] <Latrina> ARCH=arm64 CROSS_COMPILE=aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu- make -j9
[11:31] <Latrina> wrong tab...
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[11:32] <asphaltdragon> psin as in I have both a literal and figurative headache
[11:33] <Latrina> have you considered X forwarding through sshd instead?
[11:34] <asphaltdragon> Never even heard of it, I'm a Pi noob, this is my first one.
[11:34] <asphaltdragon> Hence why I don't have a micro usb hub
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[11:37] <Hitechcg> imo vnc is better because you can leave stuff running
[11:37] <Ben64> ssh is better
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[11:38] <Hitechcg> ssh does a completely different thing than vnc
[11:38] <Ben64> vnc = remote access, ssh = remote access
[11:38] <asphaltdragon> All I really need it for is running a script. Hell, I don't even know if it'll work the way I'm thinking
[11:39] <Ben64> yeah, run a script using ssh
[11:39] <asphaltdragon> ssh may be fine, but I'd love to get vnc working
[11:39] <Latrina> Ben64: not quite
[11:39] <Hitechcg> that's like saying car = transportation, bike = transportation
[11:39] <Ben64> theres no point in vnc to run a script
[11:39] <Latrina> at least as far as sequirity level is concerned
[11:39] <Latrina> whether vnc is better than X sshd formwarding I dont know
[11:40] <Latrina> I normally never run X on my servers / embedded devices
[11:40] <mfa298> Hitechcg: for console stuff you can use screen or tmux to leave stuff running over ssh
[11:40] <Latrina> so never had to configure neither of the two
[11:40] <Hitechcg> mfa298: ik, I always use tmux anyways
[11:40] <Hitechcg> but anyways, cli will make your life easier
[11:41] <Hitechcg> unless it's windows
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[11:43] <asphaltdragon> Ah crap, missing a critical adapter to test this thing anyway
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> vnc will feel faster if you can turn off encryption.
[11:44] <asphaltdragon> Well I have ssh working and enabled, it's almost five, I'm going to bed. Thanks everyone that helped me out, I feel less noobish
[11:45] <asphaltdragon> I'l probably be back when my RetroPi fails to work properly once I set that up...
[11:45] <Latrina> Hitechcg: with PowerShell you can do 90% of the operations from command line in Windows as well
[11:45] <Latrina> though, it takes a genious to figure how the hell it even works
[11:47] <H4ndy> if you know .NET you know most of powershell
[11:47] <Latrina> I don't :)
[11:48] <Latrina> I have never really cared to learn .NET or Windows at sys admin level
[11:48] <Hitechcg> Latrina: true, but who actually uses powershell to do things that they could do with a gui unless they need to? (such as scripting or headless servers)
[11:48] <Latrina> but I know my colleagues who do Windows Server administration exclusevely that they do it all from PowerShell
[11:49] <Latrina> Hitechcg: serious Windows Power admin I would say
[11:49] <Hitechcg> most people just install the Windows Server GUI and rdp in tbh
[11:49] <Latrina> just like I don't have the need for a GUI in Linux / BSD / UNIX
[11:49] <asphaltdragon> Oh yeah, last thing... is there a way to transfer a .zip from a computer to Raspbian over ssh, and then extract with the command line?
[11:49] <Ben64> yes
[11:49] <Latrina> man scp
[11:50] <Latrina> you can also create a NFS / CIFS Share
[11:50] <Ben64> much easier and faster than through gui
[11:50] <Hitechcg> you need an sftp client if widows
[11:50] <asphaltdragon> Excellent, at least I know it's possible
[11:50] <asphaltdragon> Nah, it's Ubuntu
[11:51] <Latrina> scp /path/to/whatever remoteuser@remote_ip_or_domain:/path/to/remote/folder
[11:51] <Latrina> if it is a folder you would want to add -r after scp
[11:51] <asphaltdragon> Nice, I'll copy that down
[11:51] <Latrina> if the remote user does use anything else other than default port 22
[11:52] <Latrina> you would want to add -P and port number after scp
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[11:52] <Latrina> if you need a folder on the PI for easy access among your *nix systems, NFS is your best bet
[11:52] <Latrina> takes 20 seconds to set it up
[11:53] <Hitechcg> actually imo sshfs is easier
[11:53] <Latrina> damn a huge KDE rebuild today, 68 packages 0_0
[11:53] <Latrina> Hitechcg: might be, never used it
[11:54] <Latrina> I have always done it the Unix way, NFS!
[11:54] <asphaltdragon> Won't extracting the zip automatically create a folder?
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[11:54] <Latrina> asphaltdragon: nah
[11:54] <Hitechcg> depends on the unarchiving program
[11:54] <Hitechcg> some will
[11:55] <Latrina> but over scp ?
[11:55] <asphaltdragon> Whatever's built into Raspbian...
[11:55] <asphaltdragon> Yeah that
[11:55] <Latrina> hands off, I am not sure if possible
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[11:55] <asphaltdragon> Since no VNC = no GUI for me, scp is my only option for extracting
[11:56] <H4ndy> just transfer with scp and then unzip on the console sessin
[11:56] <Latrina> I am not sure if you can embed commands for the remote user through scp
[11:56] <Latrina> I doubt so
[11:56] <ebarch> just "unzip file.zip" via SSH
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[11:58] <Latrina> yeah
[11:59] <Latrina> asphaltdragon: on the long run you will appreciate the fact that you are using the command line
[11:59] <Latrina> and VNC needs will be a thing of the past
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[12:04] <asphaltdragon> Haha, yeah. I've slowly been getting used to it in Ubuntu as well.
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[12:05] <asphaltdragon> New to that too. Last time I used it was around 10.04.
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[12:06] <asphaltdragon> And I just realized I need to tweak wifi settings on the Pi...
[12:07] <asphaltdragon> Unless I can make an adhoc network with my phone and ssh over that? Is that a thing?
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[12:07] <mstruebing> is anybody using volumio with spotify?
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[12:18] <asphaltdragon> mstruebing: I've seen some people on the raspberry_pi subreddit talking about using it in their projects. Are you having issues with it?
[12:21] <mstruebing> asphaltdragon: I'm currently using mopify and have issues with playlists so I just wanted to make sure this feature is working with volumino
[12:22] <mstruebing> mopidy + mopify
[12:22] <mstruebing> I only can play artists and songs, but no playlists
[12:24] <asphaltdragon> I've got no experience with it myself. But if you check http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi and go to the weekly help megathread, someone might know if it's actually something that works.
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[12:26] <divadsn> hey everyone, does anyone have experiences with running moonlight-embedded on Openelec?
[12:26] <Latrina> asphaltdragon: what exactly is the issue you are having with the wifi on the PI ?
[12:27] <asphaltdragon> Oh, no issue with it. But I want to be able to ssh into it without wifi. I may just turn on the hotspot on my phone and ssh into it that way.
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[12:33] <Latrina> asphaltdragon: can't you hook it up to the ethernet port^
[12:33] <Latrina> ?
[12:33] <asphaltdragon> Pi0W
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[12:34] <Latrina> just connect it to the ethernet and from your router
[12:34] <asphaltdragon> It doesn't have an ethernet port
[12:34] <asphaltdragon> Also I want to ssh into it when there's not wifi around
[12:35] <asphaltdragon> Which I should be able to do by configuring it to connect to my wifi hotspot on my phone.
[12:35] <asphaltdragon> Theoretically. That shouldn't interfere with ssh.
[12:38] <Latrina> ouch, a router without ssh port sounds like a joke
[12:38] <Latrina> I meant ethernet port
[12:38] <asphaltdragon> what
[12:38] <asphaltdragon> No
[12:38] <asphaltdragon> My PI doesn't have an ethernet port
[12:38] <asphaltdragon> It's a Zero W
[12:38] <asphaltdragon> It's only Wifi and Bluetooth
[12:38] <asphaltdragon> No ethernet
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[12:39] <Latrina> oh, I thought you have a normal rpi my bad
[12:40] <asphaltdragon> Nope. I wanted to be able to carry it in my pocket easily.
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> I use my phone as a hotspot to Pi0W's with good results.
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> I can then ssh to the Pi from the phone, or laptop on the same phone hotspot.
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> simples.
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> I have seen others run host apd on the Pi0W but I think that's more prone to issues.
[12:41] <asphaltdragon> Oh, perfect.
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> might give you more flexability re. IP addresses to run host apd on the Pi though, rather than be fixed to the 192.168.43.x that most androids give.
[12:42] <BurtyB> or you can do both client and ap - https://albeec13.github.io/2017/09/26/raspberry-pi-zero-w-simultaneous-ap-and-managed-mode-wifi/ :)
[12:42] <asphaltdragon> You know if you can still plug the phone into the Pi and have it connect as USB debugging even when using it as hotspot?
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> just because you can, don't mean it makes sense....
[12:42] <Latrina> asphaltdragon: I got this http://www.8devices.com/products/centipede
[12:42] <Latrina> and I love it
[12:43] <asphaltdragon> Nice. Looks too big for me.
[12:43] <Latrina> small, portable, cheap and you get both eth and wifi
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[12:44] <asphaltdragon> I picked this up: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0748MPQT4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[12:44] <kerio> i run hostapd on a pi3
[12:44] <kerio> never any issue :3
[12:45] <asphaltdragon> I'm just hoping I can still plug the phone in as USB debugging while using it as a hotspot to ssh into the Pi
[12:45] <asphaltdragon> Cuz I need to run scripts on the phone with adb and I'm not always near a computer
[12:45] <asphaltdragon> And sometimes a laptop is just too big
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[13:07] <mstruebing> as for now volumino runs great
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[13:22] <Stagnation> hey guys, trying to set up my pi as a cloned android screen, any advice on how to do this? cheers
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[13:32] <tabakhase> "By default, PIXEL does not have any easy-to-use screensaver software installed, although the screensaver is enabled" who had that glorious idea... :D
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[13:53] <gordonDrogon> screensavers are not needed anymore. in these days of LCDs, etc. "burn-in" just isn't a thing anymore...
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> turning off the backlight to save power is though.
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[14:02] <oq> gordonDrogon: oleds have lots of burn-in problems
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[14:04] <gordonDrogon> just switch then off then.
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[14:41] <kerio> LCDs also have burn-in problems
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[14:42] <kerio> they're temporary, but still
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[14:46] <gloomy> Hi
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[14:46] <gloomy> just to be sure, if I want to use vim, the configuration file is /etc/vim/vimrc?
[14:47] <gloomy> Or am I supposed to create a .vimrc in the home directory?
[14:47] <gloomy> (not sure if this is a rbpi or debian thing)
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[14:53] <ali1234> where is this usb bootable mini raspbian image then?
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[15:02] <kerio> ali1234: without burning the OTP bit to boot from usb?
[15:06] <BurtyB> ali1234, for the remote gpio? I assumed they'd just use scriptexecutor have they said it's raspbian?
[15:07] <ali1234> https://github.com/RPi-Distro/python-gpiozero/issues/610
[15:07] <ali1234> what is scriptexecutor?
[15:07] <BurtyB> ali1234, https://github.com/raspberrypi/scriptexecutor
[15:11] <ali1234> https://github.com/raspberrypi/gpioexpander
[15:11] <ali1234> unfortunatey they haven't made it public yet
[15:11] <ali1234> whatever it is, it is 788kb
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[15:12] <BurtyB> not sure that statement about possible to do before but you needed an SD is really valid as I've been doing usbboot on the pi zero for months without an SD card ;)
[15:12] <ali1234> and probably a GPL violation
[15:12] <ali1234> yes, me too
[15:12] <ali1234> http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/pool/main/u/usbbootgui/
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[15:16] <ali1234> yeah this is busybox
[15:17] <kerio> BurtyB: did you burn the OTP bit tho
[15:17] <kerio> because aiui without that bit it will never attempt booting from usb
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[15:19] <ali1234> kerio: we are not talking about that kind of USB boot
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[15:22] <kerio> what kind then? 🤔
[15:22] <ali1234> this os coldplug booting
[15:22] <ali1234> *is
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[15:23] <mfa298> gloomy: normally config in /etc is systemwide, then user specific stuff would be in the homedir, so for vim you probably want most config in ~/.vimrc
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[15:24] <kerio> ?
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[15:26] <BurtyB> kerio, as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm1WUY5XgrQ&t=2s (you don't need the hat it works with a regular usb cable)
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[15:27] <kerio> oh, the pi will appear as some sort of usb device with debug capabilities if it can't boot anything else?
[15:27] <kerio> neat
[15:27] <kerio> and also makes sense
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[16:24] <Cuby96> Does someone know how a mcp23017 with python work?
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[16:30] <dreamon__> want to leave lxde x-server from console(ssh connection). how can I do?
[16:32] <dreamon__> found out → /etc/init.d/lightdm stop
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[16:36] <Lartza> dreamon__, systemctl stop lightdm
[16:36] <Lartza> but yes, that's not necessarily a clean way though
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[16:37] <dreamon__> Lartza, Thanks
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> Cuby96, they're supported by the kernel with some weird devoce overlay, but check the gpio zero stuff. I only use them in C.
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[16:39] <Cuby96> So c code instead of Python?
[16:39] <MarkusDBX> Hi, I'm looking for cheap 1080p small (4-7 inch) lcds for the rpi. Any ideas on good deals?
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> Cuby96, no idea - whatever your preferance is - I know they do work in Python as I've seen PYthon projects that use them.
[16:41] <Cuby96> Ok i See hmm well idk how to access the Proper address as i didnt understand it
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[16:44] <Zardoz> MarkusDBX: you are most like going to need to do you shopping and search. there are a lot of options and you will need to decide based on your needs.
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon> Cuby96, if it's connected to the Pi, run sudo i2cdetect -y 1
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> Cuby96, expect to see a '20' in the display grid output.
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> altough, depending on configuration it could be from 20 to 27.
[17:01] <MarkusDBX> Zardoz: I know for sure there is a ton of options, it's just getting the prize down on 1080p small displays that is the issue.
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[17:07] <Megaf> Greetings folks.
[17:08] <zleap> hi
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[17:16] <drzacek> Hello
[17:16] <zleap> hello
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[17:16] <drzacek> I was wondering about home automation
[17:16] <zleap> ok
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> alexa, open the pod bay doors ...
[17:17] <drzacek> I hear about the stuff for years, but never really got into it
[17:17] <zleap> depends what you want to do
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> I've seen it. I'm not implementing it :)
[17:17] <drzacek> depends on what I CAN do
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> although central heating is technically automation - at an acceptable level..
[17:17] <zleap> well you can have IoT or just use a pi to control something without using the internet, e.g cron job to control a watering system for example
[17:18] <drzacek> Back in my school days, home automation meant automatically controlled lights, heating and windows
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[17:18] <drzacek> My boss use it to remotely controll water for his tomatoes
[17:18] <zleap> well that is doable
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> you can do that today, you just need to sell your soul to a dozen different but incompatible device vendors and hope you can get them all to talk to each other ...
[17:19] <drzacek> Yeah I know this is doable - but thats about it. Maybe there is ton other things I could do, but don't know it yet
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> a friend was going on recently about how good his "Harmony hub" was ... but I hear they're now closing down...
[17:19] <shauno> that's why mine's a homebrew mess. I haven't yet found a fendor you can say nice things about
[17:19] <drzacek> What I also learned, that there are some ready systems that can be implemented and expanded in future, with ready modules and stuff
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[17:19] <drzacek> so maybe what I want is just some platform to start with something easy, and add new things on the go
[17:20] <zleap> as someone a while back said to the the S in IoT stands for security,
[17:20] <zleap> to me
[17:20] <drzacek> I don't see any S in ooooooooooooooh
[17:20] <zleap> indeed
[17:20] <drzacek> yeah, not a fan of cheap devices connected to the internet
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[17:21] <zleap> so don't connect to the internet
[17:21] <drzacek> was thinking more about raspberry pi as a central brain
[17:21] <zleap> you can use a pi + clock and the GPIO to send signals to say a watering system to turn a tap on / off
[17:21] <drzacek> and only exposing rpi to the internet
[17:21] <zleap> you don't even do that, you can connect to the LAN (internal)
[17:21] <drzacek> and rpi controlling rest of the stuff in non-ethernet manner
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[17:22] <Zardoz> friends don't let friends expose there pis on the internet.
[17:22] <drzacek> What I would like to have some day, is to have sensors on all windows and doors, that could check if the windows are open/closed, doors open/closed/locked. In more budget-unfriendly solution, way to remotely close them
[17:23] <drzacek> in case I forget to close my apartment when I'm going away for few days
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> alexa, unlock the doors
[17:23] <zleap> so 2 wires, if window is closed then the wires touch, send pin high, program picks that up
[17:23] <drzacek> gordonDrogon, AND without routing it through NSA
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> buy a burglar alarm.
[17:24] <drzacek> remote controll over electricity at home would also be nice. "Did I turned the oven off? better cut power to the kitchen"
[17:24] <drzacek> I know there are ready modules for that
[17:24] <zleap> whart happens if these systems, fail you so used to a computer telling you if the oven is on or off, you don't bother to check, house burns down,
[17:24] <drzacek> tl:dr - where do I start, what software do I get
[17:25] <drzacek> zleap, could be said about any technology these days
[17:25] <zleap> yeah
[17:25] <drzacek> "what is my ABS/ESP or even brakes in my car fail?"
[17:26] <zleap> but what is wrong with checking if the oven is off or not,
[17:26] <drzacek> "what if those autonomous trucks will have system crash while driving 90 on autobahn?"
[17:26] <Zardoz> zleap: our robot overlords will most like kill us anyways.
[17:26] <drzacek> zleap, the thing is, you usually do check it, but since you do it automatically, you don't remember if you did or not
[17:26] <zleap> that was my point, automation makes us lazy
[17:27] <drzacek> "did I lock the doors?"
[17:27] <zleap> going through a routine, you remember the routine
[17:27] <drzacek> well, no escaping it at this point, could as well us it for own advantage
[17:27] <drzacek> not how this works in my case
[17:27] <zleap> now if an relavitve has dementia for example I can see the advantage in having a system to warn you
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[17:28] <drzacek> I usually do check things twice (or more), and then still worry if I did all I had to or not
[17:28] <drzacek> so it would mean peace of mind for me
[17:28] <drzacek> but the question wasn't "should I?", the question is "how?"
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[17:29] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi-controlled-oven/
[17:29] <drzacek> My boss use something called "fhem"
[17:29] <drzacek> but from what I see, this is purely german project
[17:30] <zleap> one day you will get these things liked to facebook and it will say you are out, house is empty, in your public profile, the insurance company will see it and cancel the insurance, you get broken in to, you;re not i nsuraced on the basis you told everyone you were going out
[17:30] <drzacek> so I'm worried that I will get limited support (only from german community)
[17:30] <drzacek> zleap, do you have a smartphone?
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[17:31] <zleap> i am not sure what to suggest, the system that gordon suggested is more complementary I think
[17:31] <zleap> drzacek: no why
[17:31] <zleap> my point is, insurane companies check on people, people try and claim, by saying they can't work, thenpost on fb etc that they are playing football, insurance gets cancelled and that person can get done for fraud
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[17:32] <drzacek> not sure how this is connected to me having my kitchen sockets managed by mini pc
[17:33] <zleap> you were asking if it could tell you that you had closed windows
[17:35] <zleap> https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/issues/8/
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[17:38] <zleap> not sure if that is a useful starting point
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[17:40] <shauno> take a look at openhab or domoticz, then look into what vendors/sensors/actuators are compatible
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[17:47] <drzacek> shauno, ok
[17:49] <drzacek> zleap, building few sensors and hooking it up to rpi is not a problem, but getting it all working means I need many many input signals, maybe 100+. Plus some frontend to managing it all. Don't want to reinvent the wheel if there are ready solutions
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[17:50] <gordonDrogon> it's the sort of thing you want to do in a new-build house... retro fitting things like socket switches into an existing one can be challenging.
[17:51] <xaviergmail> Any idea how to run a single-purpose router on a rpi3? I want to plug the pi directly into my laptop with an ethernet crossover cable and access the pi as 10.0.0.1
[17:51] <shauno> yeah, that's the fun I've been having. rental means there's limits on what I can change
[17:51] <xaviergmail> - from my laptop. I tried setting up isc-dhcp-server without success
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> xaviergmail, you do not need a x-over cable.
[17:52] <xaviergmail> fancy name for a 6 inch cat6
[17:52] <xaviergmail> unless it's physically different?
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> whatever, but it does not need to be a crossover cable.
[17:53] <xaviergmail> quick google says so oops gotcha
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> why not simply configure the Pi with a static IP address?
[17:53] <drzacek> gordonDrogon, true, but I wasn't thinking about upgrading the sockets, only those things that sit in distribution box (or whatever that thing is called)
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> drzacek, different names in different countries - in the UK it's the "consumer unit"
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> the box with the fuses/mcb's/rcb's ...
[17:54] <xaviergmail> That's what I tried at first, but my laptop can't connect to it
[17:54] <drzacek> I would say those are fuses, but I guess they can do more things beside "fusing"
[17:54] <xaviergmail> (unless I configure my laptop for a static ip as well in the same subnet
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[17:55] <gordonDrogon> xaviergmail, both PC & Pi will need to be on the same subnet.
[17:55] <drzacek> each fuse have only 2-3 sockets on it, some of them have only one socket connected, so for me it would be good enough
[17:55] <shauno> messing with the consumer unit is the hard way to do things. tidier because it's centralized, but .. scary stuff heh
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> drzacek, and different countries have different rules/regs. In the UK ring circuits are common with 2-20 sockets on them.
[17:55] <drzacek> shauno, only if "messing" is installing some DIY things, or opening fuses open and soldering wires there
[17:55] <xaviergmail> I get that, but isc-dhcp-server was giving me some headaches
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> illegal in some countries too.
[17:55] <drzacek> I guess there are ready to buy modules that allow them to be managed remotely
[17:56] <drzacek> you just take the ones you have now, and install the inteligent ones in their place
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> in the UK we have something called "Part P"... although I think some of it has been changed recently.
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> you would really want to leave the consumer unit alone, but take the outputs from the fuse/mcb/rcd/ into a separate box with your high power contactors/relays then back into the socket ring circuits.
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> don't solder to the fuses/holders. at least not in a 1st world country.
[17:58] <shauno> I guess you're looking for stuff like https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00BDJORPG/
[17:58] <shauno> but generally you wouldn't want to replace what's there. you just take the output from the rcb and feed it through one more switch before it goes out to the wall
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[18:01] <shauno> (breakers that you can control & monitor go off into stupidly-expensive switchgear territory. much easier to let the existing breaker do its own job)
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[18:07] <shauno> I'm curious how well those insteon modules work though. especially since the latest updates to code in the UK ask for (non-ferrous) metal consumer units, which isn't RF's best friend
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[18:24] <red9> If you could influence the design decisions on the RPi. What would you change? i/o placement? bus interconnects? periphials (within a budget) ? etc.
[18:25] <Latrina> lets hope this does the trick https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9972399/
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[18:44] <ali1234> red9: i would fix all the minor annoying bugs
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[18:46] <red9> like?
[18:46] <ali1234> can't remember off hand
[18:46] <ali1234> number 1. i'd probably get rid of the ARMv6 from the lineup, and redo the zero with something ARMv7 based
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[18:47] <ali1234> number 2. make a zero with a display connector instead of camera connector
[18:47] <ali1234> number 3. release the 3A+ they've been promising for 18 months
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[18:47] <ali1234> basically any two of the above
[18:48] <red9> Personally, I'm thinking maybe more I/O and more 3,3V/GND pins. And MII/RMII interface in place of the USB/Ethernet junk. Maybe less RAM to push the cost down. Real processing can be done on a networked server.
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> Gaaah. less RAM? Are you nuts? Just hang out here for a while and one of the main bleats is that the Pi doesn't have more RAM )-:
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[18:53] <red9> gordonDrogon, guess it depends on the use case? 3D stuff? database?
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[18:56] <gordonDrogon> the case is education.
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> that's all the Pi foundation are concerned with.
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[18:57] <gordonDrogon> the commercial side of the Pi corp. may be concerned with other stuff, but e.g. the CM3 has appealed to many industrial users with the same 1G RAM, so ... who knows.
[18:58] <red9> CM3?
[18:58] <shauno> I don't think this SoC actually has MII ?
[18:59] <ali1234> oh i know what i'd do!
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[18:59] <ali1234> i'd get a driver made for AVE IN and AVE OUT
[18:59] <ali1234> that's the only peripheral for which no driver or docs exist
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[18:59] <ali1234> (that i know of)
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[18:59] <red9> AVE?
[19:00] <ali1234> it is a digital video innterface
[19:00] <ali1234> i think, anyway
[19:01] <ali1234> it is for something like a ADV7341 which would allow composite video in to the SoC
[19:02] <ali1234> oh that's the video out chip
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[19:02] <ali1234> ADV7280
[19:03] <ali1234> basically it allows you to overlay graphics on a composite signal which you pass through
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[19:03] <ali1234> and perhaps capture too
[19:03] <stiv> "The interface requires 18 signals" - ouch!
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[19:03] <ali1234> AVE pins are documented on my gpio spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nUnaWl_veBKlnqsDwPQUYZNKKiIYhf8f8a6e_bd1cKc/edit?usp=sharing
[19:04] <ali1234> the registers are here https://github.com/msperl/rpi-registers/blob/master/md/Region_AVE_IN.md and https://github.com/msperl/rpi-registers/blob/master/md/Region_AVE_OUT.md
[19:04] <ali1234> that is everything we know about it
[19:05] <ali1234> from the register names it is clearly a video interfaces
[19:06] <ali1234> i guess since both interfaces are on the same GPIO you can't do pass through video with it
[19:06] <ali1234> so it must be a capture interface
[19:07] <ali1234> i would also like to know what TE/FL/RING_OCLK are, but i expect they are just test signals
[19:09] <red9> composite etc.. isn't analog quite EOL by now?
[19:09] <ali1234> no
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> you never know what leftovers are on these SoCs... I do wonder how many times the next one was simply built on the last one, etc.
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[19:34] <gordonDrogon> and I'm sure analog video will be with us for a good number of years yet...
[19:35] <zleap> yeah
[19:35] <red9> well but maybe nothing to invest new designs on?
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> or manglement made all the enginees redundant.
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[19:37] <red9> Manglement is the capability to save cost such that you later will have to fix it for much higher cost.. ;)
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[20:25] <zornyg> ahoj :)
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[20:28] <zornyg> Has anyone an idea on how to monitor a 24v watering valve if it is on or not?
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> use an opto isolator.
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> assuming it's a DC signal.
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> you just wire the LED side with a suitable resistor over the solenoid valve and connect the other side to the Pi.
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[20:32] <red9> a zenerdiode + resistor would handle varying voltage levels unlike plain resistor divider.
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[20:33] <zornyg> that sounds pretty straight forward, thanks for the input
[20:34] <zornyg> is there some pi shield with opto isolators? I have 7 channels / valves to monitor
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[20:37] <gordonDrogon> sure, but you know it's 24v.
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> and isolated...
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> some of those solenoids generate nice big spikes when activated.
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> zornyg, I don't know of a board, but making one shouldn't be hard.
[20:40] <xaviergmail> Are there any guides out there for really cleaning up the visual part of the boot process?
[20:41] <xaviergmail> I tried this https://yingtongli.me/blog/2016/12/21/splash.html but plymouth takes over and I still get some kernel blabber going on before the splash screen appears
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[20:55] <red9> zornyg, search ebay.com (eBait..)
[20:57] <zornyg> this one would fit right :)? https://www.tindie.com/products/BarchDesigns/8-ch-opto-isolator-board-5-24vdc-in-33-5vdc-out/
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[21:33] <hillct> Good afternoon all. I’m exploring what it will take to get a pi camera module and another i2c device (an oled display) to play nice together on a Pi3b. I understand that the camera populates the i2c bus in spite of it’s physicaly separate adapter, but I’m unclear how to manage which of the two i2c busses it used, or how to get one or the other device to use the second bus. Any guidance would be helpful (on Raspbian Stretch)
[21:34] <hillct> I found this https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=166845 but it doesn’t seem entirely aplicable
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[21:39] <BurtyB> hillct, on a pi3 they're on different i2c bus
[21:40] <BurtyB> well I mean the i2c for the camera isn't the same as the i2c on the gpio physical pins 3/5.
[21:42] <hillct> @BurtyB I’m asking because I have two pi camera modules. the first I tried while I had an OLED connected to i2C.1 failed (oled worked fine) and the camera sensor now appears dead. Not clear whether it was DOA, or got burned out somehow. Wanted to be certain before connecting ny second known good camera module
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[21:43] <hillct> @BurtyB is it then reasonable to assume the camera module failure is unrelated to use of i2c.1 on the gpio header at the same time?
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[21:51] <xaviergmail> Can I change which TTY my raspi uses for auto-login? I have auto-login set from raspi-config
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[22:23] <Mia> Hello channe l
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[22:24] <Mia> I'm looking for a simple raspberry pi media center solution, kodi and it's variations (such as osmc) seem very heavy to me, is there any simpler alternative for that
[22:24] <Mia> Something more like lakka.tv but for media content rather than gaming
[22:24] <Mia> something purely there for playing videos and having a library
[22:25] <Mia> Most of the existing fully featured solutions I've found are unnecessarily heavy to my taste in terms of all those "additional features" - that I don't need
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[22:27] <H__> im using regular kodi
[22:27] <Mia> H__, it's still pretty heavy
[22:28] <Mia> I don't know much about why people pick kodi over osmc or vica versa but even UI wise it's fully customizable, it's heavy and bulky, and slow
[22:29] <H__> i kicked kodi because I was used to xmbc , the Real One ;-)
[22:29] <H__> picked, not kicked
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[22:42] <mfa298> Mia: look at libreelec, it's still kodi but with minimal OS around it.
[22:43] <mfa298> if you want video then you probably want omxplayer or kodi to use the hardware decode ability
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[23:27] <kerio> i also use libreelec for my dad's media player
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[23:42] <GenteelBen> kerio: if you were my son, I'd buy you a Spotify subscription.
[23:42] <GenteelBen> No kid should have to listen to music via an RPi.
[23:42] <kerio> when i say media player
[23:43] <kerio> i mean pirated streaming movie player
[23:43] <GenteelBen> Oh.
[23:43] <GenteelBen> Well it's good he's teaching you how to pirate shit at a young age.
[23:44] <GenteelBen> That's a valuable life skill; I pay for software and games, but not music, TV or movies.
[23:44] <GenteelBen> And definitely not a cable subscription for sports.
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[23:50] <Cobalt> Life skills have evolved a bit; 50 years ago, it was teach you how to hunt for food, and which root was edible or not.
[23:50] <Cobalt> That sort of thing.
[23:51] <GenteelBen> You can get 4G in the forest now.
[23:51] <GenteelBen> Don't need to memorise that shit.
[23:51] <GenteelBen> FYI I have a "survival" app on all my phones.
[23:52] <GenteelBen> IMO it should be built into Android and iOS. A lot of the time when people are lost all they have is a phone.
[23:52] <Cobalt> Sounds like you won't do so well if you run out of juice.
[23:53] <GenteelBen> It's better than nothing.
[23:53] <GenteelBen> Would add like 1MB to each ROM, but could save thousands of lives a year.
[23:53] <Cobalt> True. I don't think I'd make it to the jungle.
[23:53] <GenteelBen> Yes, you'd be skinned and worn as a pelt by some hunter.
[23:54] <Cobalt> Basic first aid that sort of thing. On the other hand, there is no cure for stupid.
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