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IRC Log for 2017-12-09

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[0:28] <PocketKnife> hey guys...puzzled. winetricks says: "dotnet40 already installed, skipping", but when i try to run a .net 4 app that i wrote, it says i must have it installed. I see that it installed client and extended 4, but i can't figure out a way to install the whole thing :)
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[0:36] <PocketKnife> duh - it's listed in the docs O.o
[0:36] <PocketKnife> sowwy
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[0:53] <ParkerR> If anybody uses PiFM, I found a way to make it a pseduo soundcard https://gist.github.com/parkerlreed/b28ed35a01db638cdefe81651f645090
[0:53] <ParkerR> More explanation https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/7igu4u/redirect_system_audio_output_to_pifm/
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[1:42] <Hitechcg> that actually might be useful
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[1:44] <uriah> Alright then
[1:44] <uriah> I’ll do it
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[1:45] <uriah> Besides I want to set the whole thing up again for my sdr anyway
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[1:46] <uriah> Oops, sorry. Wrong channel
[1:46] <uriah> :-/
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[1:50] <uriah> But for those interested, I’m talking about writing instructions to build embedded musl/busybox gentoo. Allows for including a small OS as initramfs in the kernel image, ~2-20 total size depending on your customized choices... which means once the kernel is loaded you can safely remove the sd card and still run everything
[1:51] <uriah> Useful for building single purpose projects
[1:51] <uriah> Allows for more robust operation
[1:51] <peerce> is ucLinux still a thing ?
[1:52] <uriah> musl is a different libc, probably better than uclibc
[1:52] <uriah> They both have their uses I guess
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[1:55] <peerce> i'm remembering how early openwrt was built, using read-only squashfs for / and jffs2 or whatever for writable stuff like /var/...
[1:56] <uriah> :-)
[1:57] <uriah> tmpfs is the way to go now I think. And for larger projects squashfs stored in ram with tmpfs/overlayfs
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[2:00] <peerce> jffs2 is a writable flash-centric file system.
[2:01] <uriah> No need for it anymore
[2:02] <uriah> Just embed a small OS in your small/custom kernel and just let the bootloader load it all in one shot
[2:02] <uriah> As long as there’s enough ram it works
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[2:12] <peerce> well, you need writable data for stuff like configurations
[2:15] <uriah> Nah
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[2:15] <uriah> tmpfs is the writeable
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[2:15] <uriah> Upper directory in overlayfs
[2:16] <uriah> As well as work directory
[2:16] <uriah> Squashfs as lowerdir
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[2:17] <uriah> And then mount a new sd card if needed... if not just leave it empty
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[2:45] <muffe> is there a pi case with mount for a touchscreen on the back and a pi camera on the front?
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[2:46] <muffe> thought I'd check before I start making a CAD model and start CNC'ing one out of aluminium
[2:47] <Twist> muffe: Yeah.. adafruit has an STL
[2:48] <Twist> muffe: I'm sure there are more on thingiverse..
[2:48] <uriah> Indeed
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[2:52] <muffe> I think I'll actually make one myself. I figured I'd want to fit a battery inside as well. Trying to find a conveniently pi-shaped battery to make a proper display-pi-battery-camera sandwich :)
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[2:57] <uriah> The 6600mah adafruit one with the 1000C charger would be good enough I think
[2:58] <uriah> muffe: ^
[2:58] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello, looking for a nice GPIO tutorial and Python programming, I am a novice, thank you ... for home projects and learning
[2:59] <muffe> It's a bit fat, but I suppose I can't get anything smaller at 6000mah?
[3:01] <uriah> :-)
[3:01] <uriah> Maybe
[3:01] <uriah> Look around
[3:02] <uriah> Those aren’t necessarily the most dense 18650 batteries
[3:02] <muffe> I'm considering doing a few hacks to decrease the rpi3 size, though. Removing the USB ports/replacing them with a single port and soldering off the ethernet port. I'll have a little look on mouser
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[3:03] <PhotoJim> Pi Zero too slow? no need to remove stuff at least.
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[3:04] <peerce> do note, most all off brand 18650 batteries, the advertised capacity numbers are ridiculously wrong
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[3:05] <peerce> my friend had some that said 9900 mAH, they were less than 1000mAH
[3:07] <stiv> probably filled with chinesium
[3:07] <uriah> Damn
[3:08] <muffe> Pi zero might work
[3:09] <muffe> does the pi zero come with the h265 hwencoder that the rpi3 does? if so, I might be able to use it
[3:09] <PhotoJim> I'm not sure
[3:09] <uriah> Nope
[3:10] <muffe> ah, crap
[3:10] <PhotoJim> but if you value h265, why would you want the device on WiFi instead of wire?
[3:10] <muffe> because I've had lots of issues with getting the pi camera to stay at a steady bitrate limit
[3:11] <muffe> sooo I ended up using the h264 encoder to re-encode the stream to a set bitrate to avoid issues
[3:12] <PhotoJim> but wire would have a more consistent and less jittery bandwidth
[3:12] <muffe> yes, but not all situations have access to wire :)
[3:13] <uriah> :-)
[3:13] <PhotoJim> not all, but wire can be run a lot of places
[3:14] <muffe> it's being streamed over 4G/Wifi. It's only 700kbitps at 720p anyway. Just a low-quality streaming. Some newspaper wanted me to make a solution so they can easily set up streams that cover several hours without having to bring their 20k$ equipment that also uses a LOT of valuable 4G bandwidth and requires 4x 4G modems lol
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[3:14] <PhotoJim> ahh, wire might not be that fun there :)
[3:14] <muffe> indeed
[3:16] <uriah> muffe: cool purpose
[3:16] <muffe> they're even having me to mount a camera at the top of a 140m tall church tower. Nice view. Luckily it's inside the tower, behind a window. I'm setting up a couple of ubiquiti loco m2's to provide network access to the tower lol
[3:16] <uriah> That’s... expensive
[3:16] <muffe> not really
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[3:16] <muffe> It's a small testing project
[3:17] <muffe> and the radio link can be used if they're having more professional streams in the church at a later time, or we can beam the link from the tower and to another location if wanted
[3:18] <uriah> Why not get a $20 usb lte dongle and interface it with the pi using a data/power splitter cable to plug the LTE stick straight into unmetered 5V power source?
[3:18] <muffe> because LTE costs money :P
[3:18] <muffe> need a 200gig subscription
[3:18] <uriah> Hmm
[3:18] <muffe> we've already bought the link equipment
[3:18] <uriah> And 4G is cheap?
[3:18] <uriah> Isn’t it the same?
[3:19] <muffe> it is the same, yes
[3:19] <uriah> Ok no problem
[3:19] <muffe> but a 200GB subscription isn't cheap
[3:19] <muffe> two months of 200GB LTE costs the same as the link equipment, minus cabling and labour
[3:19] <uriah> Well you don’t need to have much bw if you encode in h264
[3:19] <uriah> Using certain settings
[3:20] <uriah> No need to use full bw
[3:20] <muffe> 700kbitps for a month is 200GB
[3:20] <muffe> more than that, actually
[3:20] <uriah> Sure but you can further decrease your size
[3:21] <muffe> We've tried that. 700kbitps at 720p provides very decent image quality. Anything less starts to generate some artifacts
[3:21] <uriah> Maximum 700kbps but lower if there isn’t much movement and the frame doesn’t need as much refreshing
[3:21] <muffe> true
[3:22] <uriah> You can mess with those settings in raspivid I think
[3:22] <uriah> I’ve done it
[3:22] <uriah> You can also lower the frame rate
[3:22] <uriah> Depending on how much movement you have
[3:22] <muffe> 90% of the work, however, is devloping a control system for this. I want as many debug options as possible to avoid getting up in that tower more than once
[3:22] <muffe> thats true
[3:23] <uriah> Like 8fps :-)
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[3:23] <uriah> I think i erased my work on this but i remember getting it down to a lot less
[3:24] <muffe> I've wanted to try to make a software that makes a 360 image from a bunch of RTMP streams, though. The church tower has windows all around. I want to make a 360 panorama view for fun
[3:24] <uriah> At 720p too
[3:24] <muffe> hmm
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[3:24] <uriah> Ah sweet
[3:24] <uriah> That would be super neat
[3:24] <muffe> It's a field I've never worked with, though
[3:24] <muffe> yeah
[3:24] <muffe> just put some slightly wide-angle lenses on the pi cameras
[3:25] <uriah> Ffmpeg could help with this
[3:25] <muffe> ffmpeg has a 360 option? or?
[3:25] <uriah> You can script it together
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[3:25] <muffe> thers a couple of 360 stiching software on the market, but I'm not keen on paying thousands of dollars for them lol
[3:25] <muffe> I'll look into it
[3:26] <uriah> Just make a very wide stream from multiple sources? I gather it’s made partly for it
[3:26] <uriah> As is the pi :-D
[3:26] <muffe> well, you either have to match the pixels in each image through software to make it look smooth
[3:26] <uriah> But your best bet is a multi pi system
[3:26] <muffe> ooor position the raspberry pi's down to millimeter precision
[3:26] <muffe> yeah, that was what I was thinking
[3:26] <muffe> 8 pi's, one in each window
[3:27] <muffe> 8 rtmp streams and a server to stitch it all together. Just a short-term setup
[3:27] <uriah> 1 pi per camera, and a pi3 to compile the footage
[3:27] <uriah> Yeah
[3:27] <muffe> still though, the stitching is the difficult part. I want it to look somewhat nice
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[3:28] <muffe> maybe I should tell a friend who's worked with this before and get him hooked on the idea, and make him code it all for me? :D
[3:28] <uriah> Use the camera pis to output highest quality and only renvide at lower quality once
[3:28] <muffe> I could, yeah
[3:28] <uriah> Reencode*
[3:28] <muffe> the uplink to the tower is 100mbitps anyway so
[3:28] <uriah> Cool
[3:29] <muffe> oh, wait
[3:29] <muffe> facebook has an open source 360 thing that seems to fit my project
[3:30] <muffe> https://github.com/facebook/Surround360
[3:30] <uriah> Nice
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[8:50] <astronavt> do they make gpio cables that have pins coming out the back of the connector, so i can connect more stuff on top
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[8:57] <peerce> everything I've plugged into a pi has been piggyback, no cables.
[8:58] <peerce> i suppose you can do this, https://cdn-learn.adafruit.com/assets/assets/000/003/061/medium800/learn_raspberry_pi_cobbler.jpg?1396790908 be good for prototyping circuits
[8:58] <astronavt> peerce: well i have a hifiberry, so that normally sits right on top of the gpios
[8:58] <astronavt> but i wanna put it in a separate box, and run a ribbon cable between
[8:59] <astronavt> nice idea. but i think for the money i'd rather just rip apart the end of the ribbon
[8:59] <peerce> https://shop.cyntech.co.uk/products/breakout-ribbon-cable-gpio-socket-connector-to-individual-labelled-contacts-cobbler-cable
[8:59] <uriah> :-)
[8:59] <peerce> i like that, a cobbler cable
[8:59] <peerce> i found that with google images
[8:59] <oq> https://www.buyraspberrypi.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/GPIO-Extender-Cable-26-Pin-end.jpg
[9:00] <astronavt> oh wait the whole thing is $6.50
[9:00] <peerce> image searched for raspberry pi gpio cables
[9:00] <astronavt> thats dirt cheap
[9:00] <astronavt> heh
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[9:01] <astronavt> oq thats exactly what i want
[9:01] <astronavt> and "extender" thats the word
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[9:01] <astronavt> https://www.adafruit.com/product/1112 this too
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[9:02] <peerce> yeah, just stick a header in the ribbon cable.
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[9:02] <gpestana> have you guys use raspberrypi 3b as a dev environment?
[9:03] <peerce> and either use a piece of vectorboard, or just air-wire your chit onto the header.
[9:03] <oq> gpestana: cli only?
[9:03] <peerce> gpestana; i mostly use mine to run a weather station, cli only.
[9:03] <gpestana> yep, cli only
[9:03] <uriah> gpestana: uh... what kind of dev?
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[9:03] <astronavt> gpestana compiling sucks
[9:03] <peerce> i wouldn't want to run compiilers on an SD card
[9:04] <gpestana> golang mostly and some networking stuff
[9:04] <oq> never really tried, I have desktops around for that
[9:04] <uriah> Yeah I don’t even allow keyboard use on my currently operational pis
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[9:04] <oq> it would be very doable though if you're familiar with debian
[9:05] <uriah> gpestana: if you want to compile stuff you’re best off cross-compiling
[9:05] <astronavt> could spin up like, an ec2 large instance and cross-compile
[9:05] <gpestana> yep, I think so as well. although I think it might be easier just to get an old laptop or something
[9:05] <astronavt> get a spot instance
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[9:05] <uriah> Or you could just use your more powerful computer... if you have one
[9:06] <astronavt> https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/spot/pricing/
[9:06] <gpestana> yep, AWS is great for cross compiling
[9:06] <astronavt> gpestana: is there an ARM-compiling AMI out there?
[9:06] <uriah> Heheh
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[9:07] <uriah> That is, depending on what type of OS or distribution you want to do it from
[9:07] <astronavt> whatever runs on EC2
[9:07] <uriah> Exactly my point
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[9:08] <uriah> I don’t necessarily trust cloud hardware/software to not be contaminated/backdoored
[9:08] <astronavt> i dont get the point
[9:08] <uriah> So I wouldn’t trust ec2 for a final build
[9:09] <astronavt> uriah like the ken thompson hack?
[9:09] <uriah> ?
[9:09] <uriah> Please describe
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[9:09] <astronavt> uriah https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/a/194748
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[9:10] <astronavt> hack the compiler such that, when it compiles itself, the compiled compiler will compile backdoors into software
[9:10] <astronavt> https://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/thompson/trust.html
[9:11] <uriah> Yeah sorta like that
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[9:11] <uriah> Combined with other attacks...
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[9:12] <gpestana> that's kinda smart though
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[9:12] <peerce> paranoia strikes deep... into your heart, it may seep.
[9:12] <astronavt> but like... why?
[9:13] <astronavt> who would do that?
[9:13] <peerce> i'd build on a laptop, or whatever. something with fast reliable storage, a regular backup regimen, etc.
[9:13] <astronavt> would amazon?
[9:14] <peerce> i wish there was a way to put faster more robust storage on a pi, but its usb2 only :-/
[9:14] <uriah> peerce: nice
[9:14] <peerce> maybe pi4 will have usb C/thunderport
[9:14] <peerce> hah.
[9:14] <uriah> I think I’ll put that song on now
[9:14] <peerce> thunderport3 is like pci-e + displayport + USB3 all on a C connector. and signicant power, too
[9:15] <uriah> Hmm... I don’t think a cheap arm processor like the ones rpi uses in order to be affordable would support usb-c
[9:16] <uriah> But yeah that would be cool I guess
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[9:16] <oq> there are some odroids with usb 3
[9:16] <uriah> Especially if they use stacked pcb to make it as small as possible
[9:17] <astronavt> man i just want cheaper general use computers
[9:17] <uriah> With a bunch of gpio and one USB-c connector on each side
[9:17] <astronavt> i literally bought a pi cause i wanted a cheap ass linux machine that i could play around with
[9:17] <astronavt> and i *thought* i could use it to stream netflix from my laptop to, to relay it to my tv. but no apparently thats not possible
[9:18] <peerce> netflix protocol is proprietary
[9:18] <peerce> and closed
[9:18] <uriah> astronavt: sure it is
[9:18] <peerce> and pi can't run a netflix ap.
[9:18] <peerce> a pi would make a crappy router
[9:18] <oq> you could forward x or something
[9:19] <uriah> You just need to find the chrome OS arm libwidevinecdm.so and put it in the right place for chromium to find
[9:19] <astronavt> oq yeah thats what it came down to, some remote desktop bs
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[9:19] <peerce> you can run kodi on a pi, and play all sorts of non-proprietary video
[9:19] <oq> astronavt: if I wanted to put netflix on a tv I would buy a amazon fire stick instead
[9:19] <astronavt> uriah: ahh it runs on arm. clever
[9:19] <uriah> peerce: I beg to differ, my pi is running as a router just fine :-)
[9:19] <astronavt> peerce: i always found it weird that i couldnt like, tap into firefox somehow and pipe the 1s and 0s around
[9:20] <astronavt> it has to be decrypted _somewhere_ in memory right?
[9:20] <peerce> my router is an apu1d4 board with 3 x gigE, running pfSense
[9:20] <oq> uriah: are you vlanning?
[9:20] <peerce> 5-7 watts
[9:20] <uriah> Nope
[9:20] <uriah> No need
[9:20] <oq> my router is a microserver running esxi with a pfsense vm
[9:20] <uriah> Ah cool
[9:20] <astronavt> peerce: what do you do with all that bandwidth
[9:21] <peerce> my microserver is running freenas and is purely a file server
[9:21] <peerce> um, my internet provider is 180Mbps
[9:21] <uriah> I’m just running minimal gentoo on a zero w for mine
[9:21] <peerce> so a pi couldn't even begin to keep up.
[9:21] <oq> peerce: I have an openmediavault vm on mine as a nas too
[9:21] <peerce> plus it only has one nic
[9:21] <peerce> so you'd need a vlan switch or something.
[9:22] <peerce> i suppose it would be ok if you had like dsl, 6Mbps or whatever
[9:22] <uriah> peerce: a pi zero w with both a USB 802.11ac device and a USB gigabit Ethernet adaptor would do
[9:22] <oq> O.O
[9:22] <uriah> I’ll send a pic with my irc bouncer pi hooked up to it
[9:22] <peerce> gig ethernet on usb2? not gonna happen. can't even really keep up with 100baseT
[9:23] <uriah> Yeah it can
[9:23] <uriah> Use a powered USB hub
[9:23] <peerce> very high overhead trying
[9:23] <peerce> yeah, given
[9:23] <astronavt> but how
[9:23] <uriah> Meh
[9:23] <oq> peerce: you can get 300mbit out of a gigabit adapter on usb2, better than 100mbit
[9:23] <uriah> Mine runs fine
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[9:27] <uriah> Actually for some reason my 2.4ghz (onboard) ap, which is hooked up to the pi’s sdio, runs slower than the USB 802.11ac
[9:27] <uriah> Even if I need to split the USB bw among two devices
[9:29] <uriah> I might plug my gps module into the router actually... to provide correct time to all my systems
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[9:30] <oq> uriah: it should run slower, it's only 72mbps
[9:31] <uriah> Sure but I meant during a speed test through my 15mbps internet connection
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[9:32] <uriah> Although it may be because of the interference in this dense city
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[9:39] <peerce> uriah; i find GPS's are sketchy indoors
[9:40] <uriah> They are but I’m at the second to last floor on a hill
[9:40] <uriah> And an antenna can be rigged :-)
[9:43] <peerce> since the whole gps reciever is smaller than the antenna, it makes more sense to put the whole thing on the roof, and run some kinda serial to it.
[9:44] <GenteelBen> peerce, that's because the CIA/NSA can't really spy on you through several thick walls.
[9:45] * peerce raises middle finger, shouts SPY ON THIS !
[9:45] <peerce> do the pi GPS modules even have an antenna connector, like SMA or something?
[9:45] <GenteelBen> GPS signals have difficulty penetrating brick balls, which is why you can't get a proper lock in places like central London (where you're surrounded by skyscrapers).
[9:45] <GenteelBen> Even A-GPS doesn't help you there.
[9:47] <uriah> peerce: the adafruit ultimate gps does
[9:48] <uriah> It would be cool to combine gps and a USB LTE device’s time and location info
[9:49] <uriah> For more precision
[9:49] <uriah> But might as well build a pi smartphone
[9:49] <uriah> Or tablet
[9:54] <GenteelBen> uriah, a GPS receiver can work out time itself if it's reachable by four satellites, apparently.
[9:54] <GenteelBen> "However, if the GPS receiver uses the signal from a fourth satellite it can solve an equation that lets it determine the exact time, without needing an atomic clock."
[9:55] <GenteelBen> Else it's relying on NTP-backed time from your device, so would need a device which has internets access I guess.
[9:55] <GenteelBen> I dunno how much it screws up GPS triangulation if your device time is a second out, or a minute out.
[9:56] <uriah> Yup
[9:56] <uriah> The adafruit one has proven to be pretty decent
[9:57] <uriah> And I get 3D accuracy
[9:57] <uriah> Even inside
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[10:11] <peerce> my pixel phone's gps getss a lock eventually inside my house. it never gets a lock in a multistory commercial building
[10:11] <peerce> its not a very good lock in my house, right now has 250 feet of error
[10:11] <peerce> oops 400 ft. it bounces around
[10:11] <uriah> Yeah...
[10:12] <uriah> It depends on the chip
[10:12] <peerce> the pixel works great outside, real accurate
[10:12] <uriah> Cool...
[10:12] <uriah> I guess it depends on where you are located, as you say
[10:14] <uriah> Man... getting tired
[10:14] <uriah> Dunno why I have some sort of fear of sleep
[10:14] <uriah> like sometimes I just feel it’s overrated
[10:15] <GenteelBen> "<peerce> my pixel phone's gps getss a lock eventually inside my house. it never gets a lock in a multistory commercial building" That's probably because you're on the ground floor, and/or you're surrounded by other buildings.
[10:15] <GenteelBen> Also, Pixel schmixel.
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[10:23] <peerce> GenBurnside; of my various GPS's it seems to be the fastest/most accurate .... i've had various garmin things, a couple tablets (they often have awful gps)
[10:23] <peerce> anyways, zzzzzzz its 1:20am here
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[10:25] <uriah> 4:20 ftw
[10:25] <uriah> Well
[10:25] <uriah> Not anymore
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[12:42] <Bacta> What are some fun/useful things to do with an original Raspberry Pi?
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[13:08] <SpeedEvil> Bacta: basically anything you could do with one at the time of introduction.
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[13:08] <SpeedEvil> slow server, motion detecting webcam, ...
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[14:51] <PocketKnife> apt
[14:51] <PocketKnife> oops
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[14:56] <gordonDrogon> I'm using an original Pi as a home asterisk server (VoIP)
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[16:19] <BurtyB> time to play with gpioexpand aka rebuild time
[16:20] <ali1234> BurtyB: i've been working on an MTP responder
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[16:20] <ali1234> so you can transfer files over USB, the way Android does it
[16:20] <ali1234> not tested on pi yet
[16:20] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/pymtpd
[16:21] <ali1234> i need to implement send partial object and then it should be done
[16:23] <BurtyB> heh I'll probably be ditching configfs ;)
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[16:24] <ali1234> what for?
[16:25] <BurtyB> for something you can configure from the cmdline.txt so g_cdc
[16:25] <ali1234> okay
[16:25] <ali1234> well, this using functionfs
[16:25] <ali1234> i will remove the configfs stuff eventually, it should be in a separate project
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[16:33] <gordonDrogon> anyone here think it's handy to be able to turn off interrupts (totally) in a normal user land program?
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> thus granting that thread total, un-interrupted use of the ARM ?
[16:33] <ali1234> not really
[16:34] <ali1234> the videocore will ruin your day anyway and you can't stop that
[16:34] <CoJaBo> Sounds like a recipe for deadlocks, if nothing else :P
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> had someone ask me to add it into wiringPi as they currently do it via poking the hardware interrupt register..
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[16:34] <ali1234> also turning off interrupts behind linux' back is probably going to cause very weird behaviour including kernel anics
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> that's my issue - both linux getting upset (sd card corruption? the network/usb can recover, I'm sure) and the gpu/vc still doing stuff like dram refresh, etc.
[16:36] <ali1234> basically if you need real time GPIO, use an AVR
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> next release of wiringPi is going to export the gpioBase register address, so I might just let them do it themselves (which they currently do anyway)
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> they're also using the 64-bit 1MHz counter...
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> which is curious as gettimeofday() also has a 1�S resolution and takes < 1�S to execute on most Pi's.
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> ah well...
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[16:41] <Li> how can I download offline application for raspbian using ubuntu apt?
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[16:44] <gordonDrogon> just wget the package on your ubuntu PC, then copy it to the Pi, then dpkg -i package.deb on the Pi.
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[16:44] <gordonDrogon> then go through the whole dependancy saga..
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[16:49] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: 'total un-interrupted' - yes - but it would arguably be better to do that in context of one core only, leaving the rest as linux
[16:49] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: as linux is perfectly fine with a three core system
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[16:51] <Li> gordonDrogon: can u give an example? say I want to download this package tor - anonymizing overlay network for TCP
[16:51] <Li> to find the link for wget?
[16:52] <Li> i'm using apt-cache search to find applications
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[16:57] <GenteelBen> This may be an overreaction, but anybody who says "treble A batteries" instead of "triple A batteries" should be executed.
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[17:02] <herb_fargus> GenteelBen: or pello instead of pillow.
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[17:04] <GenteelBen> herb_fargus: I've never heard that.
[17:04] <herb_fargus> or melk instead of milk
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[17:07] <gordonDrogon> or soder rather than solder ..
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> Li, if you use apt-cache search you'll get apps that run under ubuntu - they may not be the same for raspbian.
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> Li, however that might, so you can go to the raspain repository and fetch them.
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[17:10] <Li> thanks gordonDrogon
[17:10] <xavkno> after my last raspbian install suddenly got corrupted i am a little adventurous any distro anyone would reccomend?
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> li e.g. you can go to: http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/w/weechat/
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> Li, search stuff under that site, get the patch fetch the file, then try to resolve dependancies.
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[17:11] <Li> I thought there could be an option/key could be used to redict apt to download from different distro repo
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[17:11] <gordonDrogon> xavkno, I'd recommend Raspbian.
[17:11] <xavkno> ;)
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> Li, there may be, but I've never investigated - maybe someone else can help though,
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[17:12] <gordonDrogon> xavkno, seriously - "it got corrupted" <---- FIX the problem first. 15 million others don't have this issue.
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[17:12] <shauno> Li: you can get apt to print a list of download links. eg "apt-get --print-uris install packagename"
[17:13] <xavkno> i tried searching for fixes but most answers were along the lines of your system is done for try again
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[17:14] <shauno> (an example of something a bit more scriptable, " apt-get --print-uris --yes install packagename | grep ^\' | cut -d\' -f2 " -- the output from this can be fed to wget -i on another machine)
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> xavkno, it might be done for - this time... the main issues are: SD card- use a good quality one from a reputable supplier and power supply - use a good quality one from a reputable supplier.
[17:14] <shauno> then when you have all the packages, stuff them into /var/cache/apt/archives/ on the offline machine, and install like normal. it'll find the copies in the cache & use them
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[17:15] <xavkno> this was the error i got: http://elixir.free-electrons.com/linux/v4.6/source/Documentation/init.txt
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[17:16] <gordonDrogon> xavkno, most likely the sd card encountered some corruption - usually due to a cheap, sub-standard sd card or a bad PSU.
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> xavkno, if you have another Linux system, you can look at the filesystem and see how bad it is.
[17:18] <xavkno> i can spin up a vm what steps should i take?
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[17:20] <gordonDrogon> xavkno, er, sorry - if you want to investigate sd card corrpution then as well as getting to grips with the vm, getting that vn to see your local sd card reader, then you also have the near-vertical learning curve of linux/unix command-line tools to "poke about" with the SD card... How much time do you have?
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> why not tell us more about your setup - what SD card, where did you buy it, what PSU, where did you buy it?
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> and what make/model Pi, although this is less relevant these days - it's probably a v3 is relatively new.
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[17:22] <xavkno> a sandisk 16gb sd the official raspberry pi. psu and a rpi2
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> sounds like OK kit - as long as the SD is genuine.
[17:23] <xavkno> it should be i got it at a reputable store where i live
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> I'm not of the opinion that a different distro will make any difference though. virtually all Pi's are running Raspbian. Alternatives are Arch, Debian, Gentoo and RISCOS.
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[17:28] <reds> gordonDrogon: IMO at least 1% of all Pies run another distro. Debian ARM is probably the most popular choice among others
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[17:28] <reds> Someday, i'll install arch on my server.. someday..
[17:30] <xavkno> it's a shame there isn't an antergos ARM flavour
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[17:32] <gordonDrogon> I think 1% is more than you might think.
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> however, given Raspbian more or less is Debian, then technically it might be closer to 100%, however ...
[17:34] <ali1234> i expect that ubuntu is more popular than debian arm
[17:34] <GenteelBen> n00buntu
[17:34] <ali1234> probably arch and gentoo are also more popular
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[20:41] <jasabella> hi
[20:41] <Latrina> Long life to Gentoo and OpenRC
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[20:42] <jasabella> what would happen if i connected a clockpin to a device's strobe pin?
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[20:44] <uriah> Latrina: agreed. eudev and l’ivresse too
[20:44] <uriah> oops
[20:44] <uriah> autocorrect
[20:44] <uriah> libressl*
[20:44] <Latrina> hehe
[20:45] <Latrina> my current system still runs on openssl
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[20:45] <uriah> aw
[20:45] <Latrina> but that is just because I don't have time to redo a 4 years setup
[20:46] <uriah> lol
[20:47] <Latrina> one day with a week of free time I will try to go the libressl way
[20:47] <uriah> you pretty much just need to USE=“libressl” and emerge -uDNav --with-bdeps=y world
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[20:47] <Latrina> yeah that would make sense
[20:47] <uriah> lol an entire week?
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[20:48] <Latrina> but I am not sure if thing will go any smooth
[20:48] <uriah> I have a core i5 haswell laptop so it’s much shorter
[20:48] <Latrina> especially when you have an entire gnome openrc port to rebuild
[20:48] <uriah> it will be pretty smooth
[20:48] <Latrina> I don't use the official gnome 3
[20:49] <uriah> o, maybe not if you run with custom patches
[20:49] <Latrina> I use a port that is patched to use openrc and I had quite few issues in the past when doing major rebuilds
[20:49] <Latrina> so I have to look there first
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[20:49] <uriah> hmm...
[20:49] <Latrina> although I would assume 70% of it would rebuild without hassles
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[20:50] <uriah> indeed
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[20:51] <Latrina> my freebsd and dragonflybsd servers and SVMs have all been running LibreSSL since a long while
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[20:51] <uriah> cool
[20:52] <uriah> at least ;-)
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> jasabella, the devices' strobe pin will get toggled at the rate you set the clock pin to... (duh..)
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[21:30] <aliasunknown> Hello everyone
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[21:34] <akegalj> hey guys. I am trying to connect rpi directly to my laptop with ethernet. I am able to ssh to it via router (dhcp). And I see bunch of instructions how to set up static ip on rpi and on host machine to do it so. But I wonder is there a possibility to turn on dhcp service on host machine (linux) and pretend to be router. And then just connect rpi directly to the host machine without setting up any
[21:35] <akegalj> static ip on the rpi ?
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[21:43] <uriah> akegalj: yes
[21:43] <uriah> but that’s overkill I think
[21:45] <uriah> you can follow the dhcpd / router instructions of your preferred distribution to do so
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[21:46] <uriah> to set a static ip, you can probably do so easily with raspi-config
[21:48] <uriah> and whatever instructions you found for your distribution to set a static ip
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[21:48] <uriah> but remember to turn off dhclient on the host for the interface you plug the pi into
[21:49] <GrandPa-G> I need to have a systemd service start late enough that dns is resolvable. What do I put in service file? network-online.target is too early.
[21:50] <uriah> what distribution?
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[21:51] <GrandPa-G> jessie
[21:51] <uriah> GrandPa-G: does this help?
[21:51] <uriah> https://serverfault.com/questions/812584/in-systemd-whats-the-difference-between-after-and-requires
[21:52] <GrandPa-G> not really. Having network start does not mean a dns name can be resolved. That comes seconds later.
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[21:53] <uriah> make a service that only lets you keep going after it successfully resolves an address and make whatever other service run after it
[21:54] <uriah> but I have almost zero systemd knowledge
[21:54] <uriah> so you’ll have to find instructions for that yourself :-) sorry
[21:55] <uriah> should be easy enough though
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[21:57] <uriah> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/systemd-networkd#systemd-resolve_not_searching_the_local_domain
[21:58] <akegalj> uriah: ok. I will follow your advice and set up static ip. Thanks for note about turning off dhcp on host eth where I will be connecting rpi
[21:58] <GrandPa-G> that really has to do with the ability to run a script when network is started/reloaded. I only want it at boot time.
[21:59] <uriah> akegalj: np
[21:59] <uriah> GrandPa-G: oh ok
[22:00] <uriah> how about this?
[22:00] <uriah> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/126009/cause-a-script-to-execute-after-networking-has-started
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[22:01] <uriah> After=network-online.target doesn’t work?
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[22:08] <aliasunknown> Does anybody have any ideas on how to measure resistance without using a voltage dividor?
[22:08] <aliasunknown> I ask because we really need high precision and want to avoid buying .001% resistors
[22:09] <aliasunknown> the "sensor" is like a pot
[22:10] <aliasunknown> is the best option to use a high precsion resistor and and ADC?
[22:11] <aliasunknown> Maybe there is a chip that I can use?
[22:12] <aliasunknown> maybe there is a better place where I could ask this question?
[22:13] <akk> Possibly #arduino or #electronics? I would think an ADC would be the way but I've never had to do high precision.
[22:14] <akk> Weekends also tend to be slow on most irc channels, so if you don't find an answer maybe try again Monday.
[22:14] <norlevo> does that mean irc-people are party-people in general?
[22:18] <akk> haha, doubt it :)
[22:19] <akk> But maybe a lot of people stay connected when they're at their desks at work.
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[22:29] <peerce> you measure resistance by applying a known voltage across it and measuring the series current.
[22:30] <peerce> if your circuit requires sub 1% precision resistances, you're doing something wrong. design it to be self calibrating with lower precision components
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[22:52] <aliasunknown> @akk thanks
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[22:53] <aliasunknown> @peerce i feel ya but we have to deal with a wide varity of high accuracy sensors and some of them only "talk" a certain way.
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> aliasunknown, and buy a good multimeter.
[22:54] <aliasunknown> @gordonDrogon its on Santa's list
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> there are multimeter with usb outputs too..
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[22:55] <aliasunknown> In this particular case its for a cliente that has an "arm" and its position is registered like a pot
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> )-:
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[22:55] <gordonDrogon> why aren't you using greyscale encoders?
[22:55] <aliasunknown> but sometimes we use +3000Eur sensors for ocean wave measurements that use a 4 -20mA current loop
[22:56] <aliasunknown> and we try to avoid precision resistors
[22:56] <aliasunknown> never heard of greyscale encoders
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[22:56] <gordonDrogon> I first used them about 30 year ago, so they're not that new...
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[22:57] <gordonDrogon> ah, greycode ..
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> myown grey cells mis-thought the name..
[22:57] <aliasunknown> instresting
[22:57] <aliasunknown> ill look into that
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> using a variable resistor for angular measurement - well, it's works for radio control toys ...
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> but it's prone to noise and jitter.
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[23:00] <aliasunknown> I ask in the spirit of learning and getting at the greatest percision. But I need to consider the percision of what I am measuring. In this case I need to measure "resistence". Im not yet sure of its accurracy but i at least wanted to get ideas on options that avoid high precision resistors in a voltage dividor
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[23:01] <aliasunknown> I think they want to control a drill press at millimeter precision
[23:01] <aliasunknown> and the "sensor" is a pot
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[23:02] <aliasunknown> automatically if they want mm precision i need at least .5mm
[23:02] <aliasunknown> I havent done the math yet to see if a 5% resistor is enough
[23:03] <aliasunknown> but i have a feeling a need better
[23:03] <aliasunknown> but maybe there is something else
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> let me know the company make/brand, so I can avoid buying them.
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> but if you want to carry on with resistance measurement, then you also need to know the resolution of the ADC you're using.
[23:04] <aliasunknown> right now we use 12-bit adc
[23:04] <aliasunknown> max128
[23:04] <BurtyB> sounds like something a stepper motor/optical encoder might do better at
[23:05] <aliasunknown> i don't know to much about that but that did come to mind. I think this is a "design constraint" for me.
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[23:06] <aliasunknown> I still need to ask a few questions but i think the client already choose their "position sensor". Assuming it has the required precision what are my best options in reading resistence?
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> connect one end of the pot to +5v, the other end to 0v and the wiper to the input of your ADC.
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[23:07] <gordonDrogon> that's pretty much all you need to do.
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[23:07] <BurtyB> in a temperature controlled room without dust
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> BurtyB, yes, it's all somewhat sub-optimal. It's a project I'd laugh at and walk away from..
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> unless it's a kiddies toy...
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[23:10] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[23:11] <ShapeShifter499> is it possible to trigger a push of a button using a raspberry pi zero?
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> ShapeShifter499, you mean get the pi to push the button?
[23:11] <ShapeShifter499> I'd like to wire the terminals where the button was and trigger a push
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> use an opto isoator.
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> assuming the button is fed from a DC source...
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> or you could use a small relay - e.g. reed relay, but you'll need a drive transistor them, but I guess you're not that up on electronics yet.
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> knowing what the button does would help here too - e.g. small battery toy, 230v light switch, etc ...
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[23:17] <ShapeShifter499> sorry bout that
[23:17] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: I'm trying to trigger the power button on a laptop that's being repurposed into a server
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[23:18] <ShapeShifter499> the pi zero is going to ping my UPS for a power outage and send a button press to the laptop
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> it's probably no more than 5v, but measure it with a multimeter - but an opto isolator would be my first choice.
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[23:18] <ShapeShifter499> the laptop will handle shutdown in the case of power outage
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[23:19] <gordonDrogon> get a ups with network monitoring and run NUT on the laptop, then it can tell when the mains is off and do a shutdown on it's own without the Pi.
[23:19] <akk> Or maybe just a transistor? I used transistors to do "button pushes" on a remote control shark.
[23:19] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: no I need a way to turn the laptop back on in the event of restored power
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> akk, a transistor can work, but sometimes ...
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[23:20] <BurtyB> no auto power on in the bios?
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> most PCs can auto-on, but I've not looked at the bios settings of a laptop for a while - it's worth checking the bios settings.
[23:20] <ShapeShifter499> the laptop has a auto-on when the lid is opened and a magnet is waved
[23:20] <ShapeShifter499> not a option in the bios
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> use a Pi v3 as the server... :)
[23:21] <ShapeShifter499> I was looking into a way to trigger the mag-sensor but that seemed expensive unless I was missing something
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[23:21] <ShapeShifter499> this laptop has 12 gb of ram installed
[23:22] <Hitechcg> how often do you have power outages?
[23:22] <akk> gordonDrogon: I'm curious what comes after "sometimes ..." Is using a transistor risky, or is it a matter of the PC button wanting to pass too much power?
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> akk, sometimes I don't trust stuff and would rather have isolation.
[23:23] <ShapeShifter499> Hitechcg: not typically but if I'm away I would like to get the server to turn on again
[23:23] <ShapeShifter499> it's rare for a power outage
[23:24] <ShapeShifter499> seems like it's better now than a 3-5 years ago. They must of fixed something because it'd seem that a rain drop would knock the power out
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[23:26] <peerce> laptops suck as servers
[23:26] <ShapeShifter499> how so?
[23:26] <peerce> they are optimized for portability, not 24/7 operation
[23:26] <akk> They're nice as far as having built-in UPSes.
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[23:27] <peerce> the above battery/lid power management features are contrary to what you'd want in a server, too
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[23:31] <ShapeShifter499> seems like it's working fine for me. The power outage issue is the only thing really
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[23:37] <xavkno> is this normal; https://imgur.com/a/oA7l3
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> it looks like a photo of a bit of a Pi v2... what do you think isn't normal?
[23:38] <uriah> xavkno: is that shade or burns behind the audio connector?
[23:38] <ShapeShifter499> what about triggering a mag-sensor with a pi, is there a reasonably cheap way to do that?
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[23:39] <ShapeShifter499> that might help avoid soldering anything to the laptop board
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> ShapeShifter499, sure - you buy a little robot arm, attach a magnet to it and program the arm to wave the magnet in-front of the sensor...
[23:39] <xavkno> i mean the audio connector
[23:39] <ShapeShifter499> I thought of that
[23:40] <ShapeShifter499> can I control the power to the usb on the pi zero? might even be cheaper to glue a magnet to a USB fan and trigger power to the usb
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> no.
[23:40] <ShorTie> it's a audio video connector
[23:40] <ShapeShifter499> awe
[23:41] <xavkno> so is it normal the metal on the audio jack. looks burned
[23:41] <ShorTie> it's tarnished
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[23:41] <gordonDrogon> plug it in and touch it to see if it's getting hot ...
[23:42] <xavkno> anything i can do as it's getting. hot quite fast
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[23:43] <oq> audio out of the pi's 3.5mm is going to sound terrible whether the jack has rust on it or not
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[23:43] <gordonDrogon> if only you'd said it was getting hot in the first place. ah well.
[23:44] <xavkno> i just plugged it in it got hot in about. a. minute
[23:44] <xavkno> so is. this normal on the. rpi2
[23:45] <CoJaBo> Yeh, the connector rusts if you touch it
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> xavkno, really? you're asking if it's normal to get so hot that it discolours?
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> to state the obvious; No, it's not normal. You'r Pi is broken.
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[23:48] <CoJaBo> There's nothing near the connector that could get hot, unless you're somehow dumping a lot of current into it from whatever's plugged in..? The discoloration is just because the metal is sucky, and corrodes if you've ever touched it
[23:48] <CoJaBo> Mine I only touched once, so you can actually see the fingerprint :/
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[23:50] <xavkno> i am wondering if the source. of this problem has anything to do with the corruption of my SD card as this is the first time i've seen this
[23:51] <CoJaBo> SDcards will corrupt if the planets align wrong, if you breathe on them wrong, or if you mismatched your socks while inserting it on a Sunday.
[23:51] <xavkno> that's also true ;)
[23:51] <ShorTie> but more likely from bad power
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> good SD cards are just fine, however if you have something burning on the Pi, then you have bigger things to wory about.
[23:52] <CoJaBo> You can try to prevent it by always shutting down before removing power, and by using PSUs and cables that don't suck, but they still manage to blow up anyways
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[23:52] <gordonDrogon> I hope you're unplugged it before it catches fire?
[23:52] <CoJaBo> If your 3.5mm is actually getting hot, it's the thing that's plugged in that's broken
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[23:54] <CoJaBo> I could actually see that happening if you connected, e.g., an amp plugged into an outlet with a bad ground. But that's a bit of a stretch.
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[23:55] <xavkno> is there any way to access the partitions on the SD other than boot and recovery from my pc?
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[23:55] <ShorTie> pc windows ??
[23:55] <xavkno> no sorry mac
[23:56] <CoJaBo> One of those Mac PCs, I see..
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[23:56] <ShorTie> should be able to mount whatever then i do believe
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