#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-12-11

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[0:04] <{HD}> xrdp works pretty well but is VNC any better/faster?
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[1:03] <kaiser> hey, how would i go about what driver name my wireless card(s) use?
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[1:05] <uriah> kaiser: open a terminal, run lsmod
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[1:05] <uriah> what kind of card do you have?
[1:07] <kaiser> uh
[1:07] <kaiser> i ran lsmod before plugging the wireless card i
[1:07] <kaiser> in
[1:07] <kaiser> then plugged it in, tried again
[1:07] <kaiser> both outputs are identical
[1:08] <kaiser> uriah: i have 3 different usb wireless cards
[1:08] <kaiser> 2 of which work in BSD
[1:08] <kaiser> but have yet gotten either of them working in raspbian
[1:12] <uriah> ok
[1:12] <peerce> after plugging in the USB device, look at the end of the output of dmesg for the hotplug event.
[1:12] <uriah> you’ll have to tell me the models, or run lsusb and tell me what each of them is
[1:13] <peerce> uSB wireless is very poorly supported by FreeBSD in general.
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[1:13] <peerce> er, forget what I said about bsd, this is debian-on-arm.
[1:14] <kaiser> peerce: yet these chips work on freebsd and netbsd but wont function on debian?
[1:14] <kaiser> peerce: yet these chips work on freebsd and netbsd but wont function on debian?
[1:14] <kaiser> ooops
[1:14] <peerce> BSD != Linux
[1:15] <kaiser> peerce: well you said freebsd usb dongle support is poor
[1:15] <peerce> Linux Is Not UniX
[1:15] <kaiser> yet it seems better then BSD
[1:15] <peerce> yeah, my mistake, my brain was off in pfsense space.
[1:15] <kaiser> well you are missing what im saying completely
[1:15] <kaiser> im not saying linux is bsd or is unix
[1:15] <kaiser> jee
[1:15] <kaiser> z
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[1:15] <peerce> the fact that they work in BSD has nothing to do with whether they work in raspbian.
[1:16] <peerce> but again, hot plug the usb dongle, check output of dmesg
[1:16] <kaiser> peerce: i was saying that BSD generalls has poorer hw support
[1:16] <kaiser> my message went right over your heard
[1:16] <kaiser> head
[1:16] <kaiser> carry on
[1:16] <peerce> a random fact that has nothing to do with raspbian.
[1:16] <peerce> and never mind, thi sis going nowhere.
[1:16] <kaiser> you still dont get it
[1:17] <kaiser> uriah: "new full-speed USB device number 12 using dwc_otg"
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[1:19] <peerce> dwc_otg is, I believe, the usb host bus controller
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[1:20] <uriah> kaiser: no vendor/device id?
[1:20] <kaiser> thats all dmesg shows after i plug the device in
[1:21] <peerce> what does lsusb show ?
[1:22] <kaiser> peerce: before and after, the entry that is only there when its plugged in is
[1:23] <kaiser> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 062a:410c Creative Labs
[1:25] <peerce> 062a is MosArt Semiconductor, but I'm not showing any device 410C from them. http://www.the-sz.com/products/usbid/index.php?v=0x062A
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[1:31] <Regulator> hi. class 10 sd card on pi b. would i need to upgrade firmware?
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[1:32] <HrdwrBoB> why?
[1:32] <Ben64> you should have the latest stuff on sd anyway
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[1:33] <Regulator> makes sense thanks
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[4:22] <genewitch> iperf available for android, too, btw
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[5:05] <Comet> Made a little demo/install video on the cheapo $35 Juvtmall 5" touchscreen from Amazon for my Pi Synth project for those interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3DHiuYIXtQ
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[5:20] <RoyK> anyone here using esp32?
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[5:21] <RoyK> just found they cost a fraction more than an arduino nno, so why not…
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[5:29] <Twist> RoyK: I've been using esp8266 for a while
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[5:29] <Twist> RoyK: the Pi Zero W is pretty cheap too.
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[5:36] <RoyK> Twist: I know, but you can only get one
[5:36] <RoyK> it's convenient to have an OS, though
[5:37] <RoyK> I have couple of esp8266's, but they lack bluetooth, which I need
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[5:43] <jmcgnh> RoyK: I have one or two ESP32 boards in hand, but I've not tried anything with them yet. (I'm a newbie and just barely got my ESP8266s to connect to WiFi, much less do anything useful.) The 32 looks pretty useful.
[5:44] <RoyK> the 32 seems like the 8266 sped up a bit and beefed up elsewhere
[5:44] <RoyK> seems neat
[5:47] <jmcgnh> I've been following some of the NodeMCU repos on GitHub and they give me the impression that the ESP world still has lots of glitches to work out, but maybe I'm viewing them pessimistically.
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[5:49] <Twist> Hey, if the glitches don't affect your project..
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[10:23] <Hanonim> hi folks
[10:25] <BurtyB> hi
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[10:29] <Hanonim> I'm wondering, when using SPI, does the kernel take care of concurrent access to spidev0.0 and spidev0.1 ? Or should I use some kind of locking ?
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[11:11] <gordonDrogon> Hanonim, kernel takes care of it.
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[11:30] <norlevo> am I not supposed to use the /etc/network/interfaces anymore in raspbian stretch?
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[11:31] <Lartza> norlevo, No
[11:31] <norlevo> I want to add a 'post-up', do I do that in dhcpcd.conf now?
[11:32] <Lartza> What do you want to do exactly?
[11:32] <norlevo> add iptables
[11:32] <Lartza> Why do you want to use iptables?
[11:32] <Lartza> Just more questions :P
[11:33] <norlevo> for nat
[11:33] <Lartza> Right, use nftables
[11:34] <Lartza> And you don't even have to fiddle with interfaces or dhcpcd.conf
[11:35] <norlevo> all right, I'll read about it...thanks! never used nftables before
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[11:36] <Lartza> debian made it available in stretch iirc
[11:38] <norlevo> I hope it's n00b-friendly
[11:38] <Lartza> It's A LOT easier than iptables
[11:38] <Lartza> the syntax
[11:39] <Lartza> Only downside is you don't have ufw imo, but it's so easy I use it just plainly on my server
[11:39] <Lartza> Never done NAT with iptables either but hopefully there are nftables docs/guides about that :P
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> when you've been using iptables for the past 15 years, iptables are easy ..
[11:41] <kopper> So why did you exactly suggest nftables? :p
[11:41] * gordonDrogon isn't keen on change, but adopts slowly ..
[11:42] <BurtyB> what gordonDrogon said.. tho these days I don't miss ipchains
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> true.
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> I just googles iptables vs nftables - the first artivle gives a rather wordy rule that replaces 2 iptables rules, but fails to mention that the 2 iptables rules are quicker to create 'cos copy & paste. Ho hum.
[11:45] <Lartza> kopper, Because it's the standard now?
[11:46] <Lartza> Newer, and at least mostly better
[11:46] <kopper> It is?
[11:46] <Lartza> Yes
[11:46] <Lartza> kopper, Debian switched to nftables in stretch...
[11:46] <Lartza> I am just not pulling recommendations from my...
[11:47] <BurtyB> debian also love systemd and dhcpcd and.... ;)
[11:47] <kopper> Funny, I haven't noticed that
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[11:47] <kopper> My stretch has only iptables :)
[11:47] <Lartza> Noticed what?
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[11:49] <Lartza> kopper, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's available and highly recommended apparently
[11:49] <kopper> Though it seems that they're really pushing nftables like you say
[11:49] <Lartza> it's better imo, I used iptables with ufw and migrated to nftables like a month ago
[11:49] <Lartza> because iptables rules... ugh
[11:50] <kopper> Works for me
[11:50] <Lartza> Though like gordonDrogon said if I'd been using iptables for years it'd been fine
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[11:50] <Lartza> But I'm lazy :P
[11:50] <Lartza> Also I do try to embrace change and well, use Arch n.n
[11:50] <Lartza> I am one of those persons who likes systemd
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> I just like having choice.
[11:52] <Lartza> I do too, that's one of the reasons I use Arch
[11:52] <Lartza> So if I were unhappy with systemd it wouldn't be that great, but it doesn't really seem any other init system does things better...
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[11:52] <Lartza> or much better at the very least
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[12:09] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TRfy70DqD8
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> the quote at the end is worth waiting for ;-)
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[12:16] <[Saint]> Another of the near infinite variations of "people thought you'd never need X in computing" quotes.
[12:17] <[Saint]> Or a different flavor of "16k is enough for everybody”.
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> it was the washing machine one I liked.
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> shows how far we've come in 50 years.
[12:18] <[Saint]> To be entirely fair the same was true in the late 90s as well.
[12:20] <[Saint]> Microwaves would be another solid contender I should think.
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> I'm not sure thing have changed as significantly this millenium as the 40 years prior.
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> there are still pdp-8's in daily use for example ..
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[12:21] <[Saint]> Though I suppose the washing machine bit is particularly relevant as it's a 'simple' machine.
[12:21] <[Saint]> I guess that's the comparison being drawn there.
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[12:22] <gordonDrogon> or that someone would use a "computer" with the same processing power as a AVR or PIC to design a nuclear power station..
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> bits of Concorde was simulated with a pair of PDP-8's.
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[12:25] <gordonDrogon> what I like is that most of these eary computers were self-hosting - in that they had their own storage and operating system - compared to AVR/PIC where you'd really not think to hook up a disk drive and write an OS for. I like that Pi in that respect, but have little respect for people who think the only way to do code for the pi is to cross compile it )-:
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[12:51] <[Saint]> Hell, I'm a bit younger than you I think, and even I'm a dinosaur.
[12:51] <[Saint]> On-the-metal coding just isn't a thing anymore.
[12:51] <[Saint]> Outside of esoteric projects and legacy support.
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[13:51] <kerio> if everyone uses crosscompiling setup why does every crosscompiling setup suck super hard
[13:51] <kerio> *setups
[13:52] <Kryczek> how would you make them better?
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[14:02] <gordonDrogon> kerio, not everyone uses cross compiling..
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[14:16] <oq> most people wise up eventually and the pi ends up in a drawer unused
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[14:24] <GenteelBen> Not if they fashion it into a DSLR replacement, oq.
[14:25] <oq> why do you have to follow me everywhere
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[14:25] <GenteelBen> I've been here for like 7 years.
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[14:41] <Angeris> you have been following him for 7 years???
[14:41] <Angeris> thats dedication
[14:47] <ali1234> kerio: the truth is most people don't use cross compiling. most people use much more powerful ARM server hardware to compile, thus avoiding having to compile on the pi while also not having to cross compile.
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[14:53] <GenteelBen> Angeris, more like he's been following me.
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[14:58] <red9> ali1234, ARM server hardware like?
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[15:09] <Lartza> red9, Like http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/103375-macom-x-gene-3-the-powerful-arm-cpu-available/
[15:10] <BurtyB> red9, www.avantek.co.uk have some nice sounding ones you can buy too :)
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[16:14] <Alina-malina> how many LXC containers is possible to run on rpi?
[16:15] <leftyfb> Alina-malina: why?
[16:16] <Alina-malina> leftyfb, what u mean why?
[16:16] <Alina-malina> containers to run multiple linuxes on it
[16:16] <leftyfb> I mean why. What's the purpose of these multiple containers? How many are you looking to run? for what purpose?
[16:17] <ShorTie> i would think what they are doing and who wrote them would be importate
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[16:24] <Alina-malina> well
[16:24] <ShorTie> that is a deep subject
[16:24] <Alina-malina> the purpose is to connect to different VPNS inside each container and port forward that connection to different machines
[16:25] <leftyfb> how many?
[16:25] <Alina-malina> like 10-20
[16:25] <Alina-malina> but they need to connect at the same time
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[16:59] <gordonDrogon> why not just run the vpns on the host?
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> it's not really possible to give an answer for the number of LXC containers though - each one gets a copy of init plus whatever else you run inside it - if you're running something big, then the answer is "not many". If you're running one tiny little application, then the answer is "many".
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> fwiw: I have used LXC extensively in the past
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[17:38] <pwillard> And I would think if they are all sharing the rather limited ethernet bandwidth... well... thats your bottleneck.
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[17:45] <Alina-malina> limited etherhnet? like how limited?
[17:48] <Alina-malina> well i am going to run a voip service and surfing some websites with all 10-20 LXC containers, if its will be enough, then i dont care about bandwith or other resource limitations, it will just work as a "proxy" for tunelling to different machines around the world
[17:48] <Alina-malina> so the main purpose would be surving websites and making voip calls
[17:48] <Alina-malina> the rest doesnt matter for meh
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[17:49] <gordonDrogon> oddly enough it was for running asterisk that I was using LXC for.
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[17:50] <Alina-malina> only 1?
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> I wasn't running it on a Pi and I was running many more than one LXC container per server.
[17:51] <Alina-malina> oh
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> I was running a hosted virtual PBX company at one point.
[17:52] <Rickta59> funny I looked at asterisk in the 90's back then it needed some hardware .. I guess SIP has replaced all that
[17:52] <Alina-malina> oh, u may be useful for me heh, tell me how did u handle the SMS stuff? like use 1 mobile telephone? or install SMS gateway or something?
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> it's never needed hardware - unless you wanted to connect to the PSTN. For pure Voip calls, you just need a PC..
[17:53] <Rickta59> right i was using PSTN stuff
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> Alina-malina, email me when you want to know my consultancy rates.
[17:53] <Rickta59> i don't remember it doing SIP back then .. only h.323
[17:53] <Alina-malina> PSTN? like playstationnetwork?
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> yea, sure.
[17:53] <Rickta59> real phone stuff
[17:53] <Alina-malina> gordonDrogon, lol really? so for home rpi small playing server u charge for stuff like that? heh
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> Alina-malina, "lol" Really. Yes.
[17:54] <Alina-malina> ok i will read documentation then
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> I spent a lot time learning how to do it properly.
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[17:55] <Alina-malina> gordonDrogon, people spending lot of time on other useless stuff as well, but we here to share knowledges, i am not monetizing any of ideas or use in future, so its just a hobby, and i am not going to pay a penie for hobby screw that....
[17:56] <Alina-malina> and what is PSTN
[17:56] <Rickta59> public switched telehone network
[17:56] <Rickta59> ie the landline at your house and all the wires that make it work
[17:56] <Alina-malina> is it a server? or just the old landline stuff?
[17:56] <Alina-malina> ah ok
[17:56] <Alina-malina> got it
[17:56] <Rickta59> POTS
[17:56] <Rickta59> plain old telephone service
[17:56] <Alina-malina> hehe sounds funny
[17:57] <Alina-malina> like Peper Pots from iron man
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[17:59] <gordonDrogon> Alina-malina, I give a lot of stuff away for free, but some stuff is simply not worth my time to even try - so for that, I charge a consultancy fee for. That's my job. Or at least one of them.
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> Alina-malina, I'm not a student, nor do I work for some company - I'm self employed. Also semi-retired. I get to pick and chose who I work for and what I do. :)
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[18:00] <Alina-malina> ok so u can show how to send/recieve SMS with ss7? i am ready to pay for that...
[18:00] <Alina-malina> +free access to some poor country Mobile network
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> Haha... You are NOT going to get a connection to ss7.
[18:01] <Alina-malina> no connection no money :D
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[18:01] <gordonDrogon> if you want to send TXTs then the best way is ti subscribe to some local internet based service.
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> most have an API which you can use.
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> or if you want to be cheap, then get an old mobile phone that has a serial port that lets you send messages.
[18:02] <ali1234> or just get any USB 3G data modem
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> or a gsm gateway device - which is basically a mobile phone with a serial port in a different box.
[18:02] <Alina-malina> old mobile phone is not enough....what about the SIM card any ides?
[18:02] <ali1234> they all support SMS
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> buy a sim card!
[18:03] <Rickta59> I thought you were a baker gordonDrogon : ) ?
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> Rickta59, Yup. I bake therefore I am.
[18:03] <Alina-malina> simless ideas please
[18:03] <Alina-malina> SIMless*
[18:03] <uriah> gordonDrogon: as far as you know, aside from when I claimed success running opengl x86 apps on a pi with qemu, has it been done? at least with good performance? cause I’d only get a few FPS less than natively and was thinking about maybe trying again (for whatever opengl app that doesn’t work on a pi right now) and documenting the procedure...
[18:03] <Alina-malina> gordonDrogon, are you familiar with osmocomBB project?
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> uriah, what? I've never written an openGl program in my life.
[18:04] <uriah> I since lost the work, but could easily redo it
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> Alina-malina, never heard of it.
[18:04] <Alina-malina> because i am big fan of it, i am just banned from their channel, so dont pay attention if i ma not there....
[18:04] <Alina-malina> oh
[18:04] <Alina-malina> ok
[18:04] <ali1234> why am i not surprised
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> Alina-malina, if you want simless SMS then you need to subscribe (that means pay) to a service that has an API you can use over the interwebs.
[18:05] <Alina-malina> ok understood, i was thinking to find a solution with rpi, and with special module connect to BTS and gain free access
[18:05] <Alina-malina> but looks like its way to far from reality....
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> very far.
[18:06] <Alina-malina> maybe there are some modules for rpi
[18:06] <Alina-malina> already
[18:06] <Alina-malina> someone was going to rewrite the code for BTS interaction
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> there are 1000's of GSM modems - all need a SIM card.
[18:06] <Alina-malina> so maybe its ready already
[18:06] <Alina-malina> i saw some guy that he solder wires right into sim slot and made it using like some sniffer/debugger, i think there should be something similiar already for rpi
[18:06] <Alina-malina> there are tons of devs making cool stuff with rpi
[18:07] <Alina-malina> like make rpi to act as SIM card
[18:07] <uriah> gordonDrogon: I meant that I had succeeded in emulating linux pc applications (32bit x86 glxgears) almost at full speed on a pi. not sure you remember me mentioning it excitedly one late morning
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> Alina-malina, sure - easy - BUY a 3G modem and insert a SIM card.
[18:07] <Alina-malina> load rainbow tables and crack the /a5 or w.e. they use for enctiontion
[18:07] <Alina-malina> no no no 3g
[18:07] <Alina-malina> i am going about 1st generation
[18:07] <Alina-malina> without SIM card...
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> uriah, oh - you were running an x86 enulator on the Pi? I think I recall something...
[18:08] <Alina-malina> it was orangePI lolz
[18:08] <uriah> yeah but I patched opengl support in
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> Alina-malina, what you're tying to do is very likely illegal. you're talking about stealing resources.
[18:08] <ali1234> oh its definitely illegal
[18:08] <Alina-malina> no no its not
[18:08] <uriah> and it was using the vc4
[18:08] <Alina-malina> openBTS prject
[18:08] <uriah> at high speed
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> oh? How is sending a TXT for free legal then?
[18:08] <Alina-malina> with linux :D
[18:08] <Alina-malina> not sending but recieving
[18:08] <Alina-malina> i am more interested in recieving
[18:09] <Alina-malina> likeairsniff or something?
[18:09] <Alina-malina> i think there should be something for rpi, need to google a little bit
[18:09] <Alina-malina> but back to LXC inside rpi
[18:09] <Alina-malina> i am only worried if the resources will be enough or not
[18:09] <Alina-malina> so if anyone can calculate and let me know, i would apreciate that
[18:09] <Alina-malina> i just dont want to fry my rpi
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> why not calculate yourself?
[18:09] <Alina-malina> its running fat
[18:10] <Alina-malina> fast*
[18:10] <uriah> there are cheap software defined radios but to sniff 3G it’s going to be hard to decrypt
[18:10] <Alina-malina> its busy.....
[18:10] <Alina-malina> yes i know
[18:10] <Alina-malina> SMS i think still works under 1G 2G
[18:10] <uriah> but that’s only for receiving
[18:10] <Alina-malina> i have 4 of those dongles hehe
[18:10] <uriah> transmission would be illegal
[18:10] <Alina-malina> yep
[18:11] <Alina-malina> but it wont stop me if i would have to transmit packets someday, though i have no idea how to do that yet....
[18:11] <uriah> and I doubt that the sms are unencrypted
[18:11] <Alina-malina> a1 encryption
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[18:11] <Alina-malina> with rainbow tables u can decrypt those
[18:11] <uriah> Alina-malina: you can apply for an amateur radio license and pass the exam
[18:11] <uriah> ok then
[18:12] <Alina-malina> hehe, life is too short, i am not 15 years old anymorz
[18:12] <uriah> but I think this conversation is a bit inappropriate for this channel
[18:12] <Alina-malina> yes sorry for that
[18:12] <Alina-malina> anyways my main reason was LXC on rpi, but looks like i have to run it myself to test
[18:12] <Alina-malina> was stupid to ask here...
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[18:12] <uriah> Alina-malina: lxc?
[18:13] <Alina-malina> yes linux containers
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> Alina-malina, you got the answer about LXC - no-one can give you an answer because we simply don't know what the load per container is!
[18:13] <Alina-malina> i fell in love with them when i discover, so i want to use them
[18:13] <Alina-malina> ok ok
[18:13] <uriah> well
[18:13] <Alina-malina> well i give u example 20 simultanous VOIP calls over VPN
[18:14] <Alina-malina> fullstop
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> so?
[18:14] <Alina-malina> thats my load hehe
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> Do you understand the network impact of that?
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> 50 packets per seconds in and 50 packets per second out - per call.
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> each packet 160 bytes plus IP over head.
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[18:15] <gordonDrogon> there is a program called SIPP which will help you benchmark your system.
[18:15] <uriah> fmi/FYI https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXC
[18:15] <Alina-malina> heh cool thanks gordonDrogon thats awesome
[18:15] <uriah> didn’t really ever mess with that
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> Alina-malina, you mean you didn't know that? That's fundamental to understanding how VoIP works.
[18:19] <Alina-malina> no i am newbie in voips
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[18:21] <ali1234> science-based 100% dragon MMOs!
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[18:23] <uriah> ali1234: haha
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[18:34] <tnewman1> anyone got redundant root storage on their pi?
[18:35] <tnewman1> on an x86 machine ive got a root-on-zfs thing going (ubuntu)
[18:35] <tnewman1> wanted to do something similar for my pi
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[18:35] <tnewman1> zfs would be preferable, but btrfs could work too
[18:35] <tnewman1> (i mean it would be an acceptable solution for me)
[18:36] * BurtyB had raid1 SD cards at one point but it was more of a because I can heh
[18:36] <tnewman1> lol
[18:36] <tnewman1> i've had really good luck with zfs and want to zfs all the things
[18:37] <tnewman1> id really love to have the whole ball of wax that is / in some kind of fault-tolerant array
[18:37] <tnewman1> i tried to do it with btrfs a while back but never got it 100% working
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[18:39] <tnewman> i mean, another alternative would be to load up fstab with mountpoints
[18:39] <tnewman> buts thats substantially less sexy
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[18:41] <gordonDrogon> not convinced the Pi would make a good zfs platform, however ...
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[18:42] <gordonDrogon> would could make a raid-1 on 2 USB drives, then have root on that ...
[18:42] <tnewman> oh i know it'd be disastrous performance-wise
[18:42] <tnewman> right
[18:42] <tnewman> thats what i want
[18:42] <tnewman> and it gets worse
[18:42] <tnewman> because
[18:43] <tnewman> the two drives i want to use are a ~500gb laptop HDD in an usb enclosure, and a ~500gb SSD in another usb enclosure
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> oh well - let us know how you get on ;-)
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[18:44] <tnewman> mis-matching io speeds in an array can't be good, but that just makes me want to try it more
[18:45] <tnewman> i've just gotten my pi reeeeeally where i want it (its doing 'nas' things, torrent seed, LAMP, and always-on IRC duties) and i'd prefer not to have it go belly up because it beat up a drive too hard
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[18:45] <tnewman> i suppose i could setup an rsync backup thing in cron
[18:45] <tnewman> but thats also not very sexy
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> nfs mout root off your home NAS
[18:46] <tnewman> what is the relationship between /boot/cmdline.txt and /etc/fstab?
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> not a lot that I'm aware of.
[18:47] <tnewman> hmm
[18:48] <H4ndy> cmdline.txt is for the binary blob thats booting the Broadcom SoC before its giving control to the linux kernel
[18:49] <tnewman> so it precedes fstab
[18:51] <tnewman> it specifies 'rootfstype'
[18:51] <tnewman> can zfs be a rootfstype?
[18:51] <tnewman> thats a google search
[18:51] <H4ndy> not sure
[18:51] <H4ndy> that binary blob and videocore monster is very weird
[18:51] <H4ndy> not sure when its giving control and how its actually booting things
[18:52] <tnewman> yeah
[18:52] <tnewman> i'm surprised i'm having such trouble finding what acceptable options for that field there are
[18:52] <tnewman> obviously ext4 is valid
[18:54] <tnewman> https://project.altservice.com/issues/521 has a guide for / Arch on zfs raspberry pi
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[18:55] <tnewman> used to use arch in the past but its been a while
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[18:56] <H4ndy> expired SSL cert, very trustworthy :D
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[18:59] <tnewman> lol its only out by a couple of days :P
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[19:02] <ali1234> tnewman: any filesystem that is supported by the kernel can be a rootfs type
[19:03] <tnewman> gotcha
[19:03] <ali1234> FAT32 probably wont' work very well but its possible
[19:03] <tnewman> mainly looking at zfs or btrfs
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[20:05] <vivus> Hello all. I managed to setup my PI directly using a keyboard + HDMI and I enabled SSH via the config. However, I am still getting `port 22: Connection refused` .
[20:05] <vivus> what could I be doing wrong?
[20:06] <DrJ> vivus, did you do it the way referenced here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ssh/
[20:06] <DrJ> I believe if you don't do it that way that it will disable itself again after the next reboot
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[20:07] <DrJ> make absolutely sure you change the default pass as well before enabling ssh
[20:08] <DrJ> if not, please give me your IP addy so I can install a botnet client on your rpi
[20:09] <vivus> DrJ: I am trying to interface with the Pi on the same network/router as my machine, but I cannot reach/access it. I followed the instructions of enabling SSH via sudo raspi-config and enabled SSH. I then switched it off and restarted it now. But I cannot access the Pi via SSH. This is raspbian-jessie lite
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[20:11] <DrJ> are you able to ping the device?
[20:11] <vivus> DrJ: yes I am
[20:11] <DrJ> I'd try taking the sd card out and adding the "ssh" file
[20:11] <DrJ> put it back in and then see if you can ssh to it
[20:12] <vivus> DrJ: so the SSH would have reset itself after enabling it?
[20:12] <vivus> could it be the SSH client that is the issue?
[20:12] <DrJ> not sure, but that would be the quickest thing to try unless you want to hook a monitor/keyboard back up to it
[20:13] <vivus> DrJ: if the starting page for the Pi is the login screen, would that be the reason I cannot SSH?
[20:14] <DrJ> no
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[20:15] <vivus> dc
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[20:16] <DrJ> if your machine is on the same subnet and you know you have the right IP and its being refused then odds are ssh is not enabled
[20:16] <DrJ> so I'd do the ssh file trick
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[20:16] <DrJ> as detailed in that link I pasted
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> DrJ, if ssh was enabled cia raspi-config, then noneed to do the ssh file trick.
[20:16] <leftyfb> vivus: can you ping the pi?
[20:16] <DrJ> I understand that
[20:16] <vivus> leftyfb: yes I can
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> vivus, can you open a terminal on the Pi?
[20:16] <DrJ> I'm working off the assumption he didn't do it right
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> DrJ, well - after his efforts yesterday, who knows ...
[20:17] <DrJ> I did see his efforts yesturday
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> vivus, is a terminal type: ps ax | grep ssh
[20:17] <leftyfb> vivus: on the pi, in a terminal, run: sudo systemctl status ssh
[20:17] <vivus> gordonDrogon: I did as you told me and connected a keyboard + screen and enabled SSH via raspi-config
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> and let us know what you see.
[20:18] <vivus> are there any other headless Pi OSes? Maybe the problem is jessie-lite
[20:18] <leftyfb> vivus: that is not the problem
[20:18] <DrJ> it's not jessie-lite or we'd have a million people in here complaining
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[20:18] <leftyfb> vivus: I have multiple pi's running jessite-lite, all with ssh
[20:18] <DrJ> well, okay, not a million
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> vivus, there are several other OSs, but really - if you can't get ssh working here, then you're not going to get it going elsewhere.
[20:18] <DrJ> but 987,387
[20:18] <vivus> if I find an OS that has SSH enabled by default that might test my theory that the OS is the problem
[20:19] <leftyfb> vivus: the OS is not the problem
[20:19] <leftyfb> vivus: on the pi, in a terminal, run: sudo systemctl status ssh
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> ^
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> or the ps ax command I suggested.
[20:19] <DrJ> vivus: also if you don't want to try any of the suggestions you are being told and just come up with your own theories, then I don't see the point of you asking in here
[20:20] <vivus> DrJ: relax mate, im not coming up with my own theories. I am attempting to debug
[20:20] <leftyfb> vivus: did you run either of the suggestion commands?
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[20:20] * DrJ is fully relaxed
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> there should be nothing to debug. this is a solved problem.
[20:22] * gordonDrogon waits.
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> vivus, are you doing anything?
[20:24] <DrJ> he's trying another OS I believe
[20:24] <leftyfb> lol
[20:24] <vivus> I am putting the SSH file onto the boot partition
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> that didn't help you yesterday.
[20:24] <leftyfb> vivus: Isn't that what you tried already?
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> so stop that right now, and run either of those commands we cusggested.
[20:25] <vivus> I also enabled VNC in case this issue occurred again. Does anybody know what the VNC command is?
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> btw: if you have the Pi booted and you want to continue with the /boot/ssh thing, you... ugh. forget it.
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> seriously, I really can't be bothered. good luck getting it sorted.
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[20:26] <leftyfb> vivus: would you like someone from this channel to help you get ssh working on your raspberry pi?
[20:26] <vivus> I can't access the Pi anymore cause I don't have access to HDMI again
[20:26] <vivus> leftyfb: yes
[20:26] <leftyfb> vivus: ok, step #1 is: please follow instructions you are given and do absolutely nothing else
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[20:27] <leftyfb> vivus: the fact that you no longer have access to display the output of your Pi and are not able to type anything was also pretty crucial information to people helping you out.
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[20:28] <vivus> leftyfb: indeed
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[20:29] <DrJ> one thing you might try is unplugging the rpi and then pinging the IP you believe the rpi is using... of course, if you get a response then you have the wrong IP
[20:30] <leftyfb> vivus: At this point I would highly suggest downloading a fresh copy of raspbian stretch lite from raspberrypi.org/downloads. Once it's imaged, plug the SD card back into your PC and create an empty text file in the fat32/boot partition on the sd card called "ssh". Then try to boot the pi. See if you can ping it first, then try to ssh to it
[20:30] <vivus> okay I will follow those instructions, starting with DrJ and then leftyfb
[20:32] <DrJ> yea, I just like to start with the basics... if you have a low DHCP lease on your DHCP server you could very well think you're talking to the rpi and really not be
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[20:34] <vivus> DrJ: I think you may be correct. I pinged the IP after disconnecting and it was returning bytes of data
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[20:35] <DrJ> try looking at the arp table on your computer
[20:35] <vivus> I am running nmap currently but its very slow to return anything
[20:36] <DrJ> are you running windows?
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[20:36] <vivus> Linux
[20:37] <DrJ> arp -a
[20:37] <DrJ> look for one starting with HW address of B8:27:EB
[20:38] <leftyfb> vivus: also, why not just ping the hostname of the pi? More than likely: raspberrypi.local
[20:38] <vivus> doing that indicates that the Pi is running on a different IP. wat the fish :?
[20:38] <vivus> see this output of nmap
[20:39] <DrJ> is ssh responding on the IP you found?
[20:39] <vivus> MAC Address: B8:27:EB:... (Raspberry Pi Foundation) ... Nmap scan report for 192.168.1.2 ... ping raspberrypi.local ... PING raspberrypi.local (192.168.1.13) 56(84) bytes of data.
[20:39] <leftyfb> vivus: the output of nmap isn't necessary. You have the ip for the pi, you should just try ssh now
[20:40] <leftyfb> or not
[20:40] <leftyfb> vivus: does ssh work now?
[20:40] <vivus> I am trying
[20:40] <vivus> yes it worked
[20:40] <vivus> so it was nmaps fault
[20:40] <leftyfb> no
[20:41] <leftyfb> it was DHCP's fault
[20:41] <leftyfb> as in, the ip changed
[20:41] <DrJ> in the future when trying to debug stuff like this you should always start at the basics.. such as ... am I even using the right IP :)
[20:41] <leftyfb> as in, there really wasn't any problem to begin with
[20:41] <vivus> DrJ: nmap indicated that I was?
[20:41] <leftyfb> nmap is a scanner
[20:41] <DrJ> its DHCP
[20:41] <DrJ> your DHCP server (likely your router) probably has a very low lease time
[20:42] <vivus> so if I run nmap now, it will still say the Pi is on 196.168.1.2 ?
[20:42] <DrJ> so at some point you had it disconnected for so long and another device took the IP it use to have
[20:42] <DrJ> nmap has nothing to do with anything really
[20:43] <vivus> also, my apologies to gordonDrogon and DrJ and leftyfb if you feel I wasted your time. I did everything instructed of me yesterday and unfortunately this issue was 1 of those where the answer wasn't obvious
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[20:43] <DrJ> my recommendation would be to go into your DHCP server (again, likely your router) and set the lease for the rpi as static
[20:43] <DrJ> or set a static IP in the rpi os itself
[20:43] <vivus> DrJ: that sounds like a good idea in fact
[20:43] <DrJ> I personally prefer to do it on the DHCP server if that's an option
[20:44] <leftyfb> vivus: the end diagnosis wasn't a waste of time. It's a good learning exercise. Not following instructions from people trying to help you is a waste of time.
[20:44] <DrJ> I then make a comment of what the device is on the router lease and it creates myself a nice list of addresses on my network
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[20:44] <vivus> thank you DrJ and leftyfb
[20:45] <DrJ> np
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[21:48] <zleap> the pixel desktop works really nicely on my netbook,
[21:49] <oq> zleap: have you tried any other de's?
[21:49] <oq> pixel is just a themed lxde + debian install
[21:49] <oq> you might find xfce slightly more functional while being usable on a netbook
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[21:51] <zleap> We have Pi's at the Tech jam, we also have netbooks, it kinda makes sense to have the same DE on both, also saves faffing around with usernames / passwords, esp when lubuntu decides to lock the screen
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