#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-12-17

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[0:51] <iEv0lv3__> Hitechcg: zswap doesn't work on arm to my knowledge.
[0:51] <Hitechcg> why not?
[0:52] <iEv0lv3__> It's intended for the big hard drives. Not microsd hard drive
[0:53] <Hitechcg> But I don't see any technical reason it wouldn't work on ARM. It looks to me like it was just not compiled into the kernel.
[0:54] <mago11> q
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[0:58] <iEv0lv3__> Idk then. I was just reading something about it earlier today that led me to believe it doesn't work, I was skimming though
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[1:02] <iEv0lv3__> gordonDrogon: I suppose I did miss the point? I just remember talking about the advantage of bpi having octo-core, someone said you won't even use up the 4 of a rpi. I found an example and stated it. Have no idea how that correlates with what you said...They're both development boards, Same price.
[1:04] <iEv0lv3__> So aren't they both for educational, non profit purpose?
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[1:08] <iEv0lv3__> Anyways, I just found it nifty to be able to make a quad go the same speed of an octo. So thought I'd share zram. Apparently others know about it already lol
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[1:12] <Hitechcg> iEv0lv3__: a bunch of people here have very negative attitudes about what they view as "Raspberry Pi clones"
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[1:13] <Hitechcg> even though the RPi Foundation isn't exactly innocent
[1:13] <Hitechcg> at least with regards to the crypto chip BS on the Pi Camera 2
[1:14] <Hitechcg> anyways, IMO a product is a product, regardless of whether it's backed by a nonprofit or not
[1:15] <Hitechcg> the RPi Foundation is great, but they still want to make money
[1:15] <Hitechcg> same with all the other clones
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[1:21] <BurtyB> how dare they want to eat
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[1:25] <iEv0lv3__> Lol
[1:26] <iEv0lv3__> Hitechcg what crypto chip stuff are we talking? I haven't got a pi cam yet
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[1:38] <en1gmaa> why is 'sudo kismet' not working with my gps? gpsd is working perfect. i test with 'gpsmon' right after i reboot pi3
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[1:39] <en1gmaa> works fine. why no 'sudo kismet' detect gps?
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[1:45] <en1gmaa> if anyone of importance wants to sticky a BT guide for GPS the guy who makes ShareGPS (play store) has great tutorials and they work
[1:48] <H__> just looked it up. that looks like a nice app
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[1:50] <en1gmaa> the author has the best info of any authors ive ever seen for apps on google play store
[1:50] <en1gmaa> usually you cant even get a web page
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[1:55] <Hitechcg> WHAT THE FUCK
[1:56] <Hitechcg> I update, there's an update for pcmanfm, and the update is... less features?
[1:56] <Hitechcg> lol, has pcmanfm been taken over by GNOME developers?
[1:57] <Angeris> someone stole the features
[1:57] <Hitechcg> but I'm pretty sure nautilus still has BOOKMARKS at least
[2:00] <en1gmaa> i just found the kismet config and changed to to rfcomm9 i think its working
[2:01] <en1gmaa> is there a way to save kismet config on exit so i dont have to enter info the next time i run 'sudo kismet'
[2:02] <Hitechcg> time to try to get used to thunar
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[2:07] <Mad7Scientist> Hitechcg, welcome to post 2010 GNU
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[2:15] <en1gmaa> i need to automatically execute commands like 'sudo airmon-ng start wlan1' so it creates a 'wlan1mon' interface. how do i do this automatically upon each reboot
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[2:21] <degenerate> hey guy's i'm stuck on getting my monitor configured properly
[2:21] <degenerate> i have this monitor:
[2:21] <degenerate> https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0716PPC2N/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[2:21] <degenerate> ◆ Uses 8 inch high resolution (1024x768) TFT LED panel
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[2:21] <degenerate> Screen size:8 inch IPS 4:3
[2:21] <degenerate> Video Format: PAL, NTSC
[2:22] <degenerate> by default the pi loads the wrong aspect ratio (like looking at 16:9 on a 4:3 monitor), everything is stretched.
[2:22] <degenerate> im looking at the config.txt settings here: https://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Video_mode_options
[2:22] <degenerate> but i can't figure out the correct hdmi_mode i should use
[2:22] <degenerate> i don't see anything like 768p
[2:22] <degenerate> closest is like 720p
[2:25] <degenerate> when i use the command raspi-config and select the option for hdmi_mode=16 1024x768 60 Hz
[2:26] <degenerate> when i reboot i get a black screen. until i take sd card out and edit on different computer, change config.txt to not have hdmi_group=2 (DMT) and put it to hdmi_group=1 (CEA)
[2:26] <degenerate> honestly i'm a bit over my head here (beneath my depths?)
[2:26] <degenerate> i don'
[2:26] <degenerate> i don't really know the difference between DMT and cEA
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[2:36] <degenerate> hmmmm well it works on 800x600 and the aspect ratio is correct
[2:36] <degenerate> maybe the 1024x768 on the listing on amazon is a lie.
[2:37] <Tenacious-Techhu> I've got a Pi running Lakka; how do I get it to boot to a command-line?
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[3:03] <{HD}> Whats your favorite audio io board for use with raspi? It seems the onboard audio really stinks.
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[3:06] <Tenacious-Techhu> <{HD}>, how would you describe the smell?
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[3:07] <{HD}> Tenacious-Techhu: A little abrasive. It stings the nostrils.
[3:09] <Tenacious-Techhu> I'm just speculating, but I would imagine that the sound portion of the HDMI signal is digital audio, and, thus, free from sound issues.
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[3:12] <{HD}> Tenacious-Techhu: interesting! You have sparked my imagination. Back to testing.
[3:12] <iEv0lv3__> I'm ded lol
[3:12] <iEv0lv3__> What is lakka
[3:15] <Tenacious-Techhu> It's like RetroPie, without all the cruft.
[3:15] <Tenacious-Techhu> Very slimmed down.
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[5:45] <Hitechcg> just got Minecraft running on my Pi
[5:45] <Hitechcg> the full Java version
[5:50] <oq> how many frames per minute is that at?
[5:50] <oq> a dozen?
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[5:57] <dan3wik> Performance shouldn't be too bad providing the graphics driver can keep up.
[5:58] <dan3wik> The vanilla server runs pretty well up to around 12 people with default settings
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[6:34] <red9> What is the response of Raspbian if setting the date to "date 011823592037.59" ?
[6:34] <LuaCoder_Dev> Idk
[6:34] <LuaCoder_Dev> Try it
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[6:52] <iEv0lv3__> How would you call on the power level in say, airodump-ng, to add a parameter in a script that autoconnect to open networks? Like make it run a scan, select the nearest WiFi according to signal strength readout, and connect
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[6:57] <iEv0lv3__> Secondly, I've read that an OpenVPN set up isn't the hardest to reverse engineer, and that you should monitor your VPN and keep it protected. What are some ways to up the security of OpenVPN
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[7:02] <voltagex> Hi, any hints on getting serial out working on a Pi 3? I have enable_uart set.
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[7:12] <Hitechcg> <iEv0lv3__> How would you call on the power level in say, airodump-ng, to add a parameter in a script that autoconnect to open networks? Like make it run a scan, select the nearest WiFi according to signal strength readout, and connect
[7:12] <Hitechcg> don't use airodump-ng and use iw?
[7:12] <Hitechcg> sudo iw dev wlan0 scan
[7:14] <Hitechcg> <oq> a dozen?
[7:14] <Hitechcg> fullscreen (with optifine), about that
[7:14] <iEv0lv3__> Hitechcg: and how would I call on that inside a bash script for auto connect
[7:14] <Hitechcg> default window size, about 30
[7:15] <Hitechcg> iEv0lv3__: idk, google that part
[7:15] <iEv0lv3__> Ok thanks
[7:15] <Hitechcg> probably would need to edit some configuration file first
[7:15] <Hitechcg> with the script
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[7:16] <iEv0lv3__> I found a script that allows auto connect to any open network, but it randomly picks one. I'll find a way to add the parameter in
[7:17] * willcdot is now known as willc
[7:17] <iEv0lv3__> I'll probably have to also find a program that detects evil AP's and disregards them for connection
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[7:20] <iEv0lv3__> If I were to connect to an evil AP, would the traffic that flows through the OpenVPN still be hidden and secure?
[7:25] <willc> Do pi's make for alright micro work stations?
[7:26] <willc> Thinking of setting up some work stations for kids/teens visiting from the boys and girls club
[7:30] <Hitechcg> yeah
[7:30] <Hitechcg> until you use up all the RAM
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[9:21] <red9> LuaCoder_Dev, I have no Raspbian running nearby to try "date 011823592037.59" on. I wonder if it's y2038 compatible.
[9:22] <uriah> :>
[9:23] <iEv0lv3__> Red9 What does it do
[9:24] <uriah> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem
[9:24] <uriah> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor
[9:26] <uriah> enjoy
[9:27] <mine9> lol
[9:27] <mine9> sorry, art bell has been off the air too long
[9:28] <iEv0lv3__> Any change to the definition of the time_t data type would result in code compatibility problems in any application in which date and time representations are dependent on the nature of the signed 32-bit time_t integer. For example, changing time_t to an unsigned 32-bit integer, which would extend the range to the year 2106, would adversely affect programs that store, retrieve, or manipulate dates prior to
[9:28] <iEv0lv3__> 1970, as such dates are represented by negative numbers. Increasing the size of the time_t type to 64-bit in an existing system would cause incompatible changes to the layout of structures and the binary interface of functions.
[9:28] <mine9> and I always figured the claims of an IBM 5100 being needed that far into the future to be completely outrageous
[9:28] <iEv0lv3__> Ya..im good
[9:28] <mine9> so who do we blame for these future problems. Microsoft?
[9:28] <mine9> they seem completely unwilling to abandon legacy code for the most part
[9:28] <iEv0lv3__> Why not
[9:29] <uriah> :)
[9:29] <mine9> Apple managed to make radical changes to their OS and migrate between 3 completely different CPU architectures in a fairly short window of time
[9:29] <mine9> and we are still fighting Microsoft code from the late 80's/early 90's
[9:29] <gordonDrogon> Apple "owns" their code and cares little for 3rd party.
[9:30] <uriah> I don’t recall doing so
[9:30] <gordonDrogon> the 2038 issue isn't the fault of MS.
[9:30] <uriah> fighting ms software I mean
[9:30] <iEv0lv3__> Apple also enslaved children in sweatshops to make their products for like a penny a day. I will never support anything apple related
[9:30] <gordonDrogon> it's applicable to all 32-bit Unix systems and derivatives.
[9:30] <mine9> iEv0lv3__: I guess you don't buy very much clothing, either
[9:31] <iEv0lv3__> Not sweatshop clothing no
[9:31] <uriah> but hasn’t the bug been fixed?
[9:31] <iEv0lv3__> Which is mostly is the guise of high-end brands
[9:31] <mine9> the problem there is outsourcing to foreign production, where there is little control over what happens in the factory(getting better these days in China to a small degree)
[9:31] <iEv0lv3__> Very true
[9:31] <mine9> but that's a deep rabbit hole to go chasing
[9:32] <iEv0lv3__> Indeed
[9:32] <mine9> and I'm busy wathching Star Wars
[9:32] <iEv0lv3__> Gross
[9:32] <mine9> I'm in the middle of Ep 3, after this is done I have 5 more to watch before I go see the new one on Monday
[9:33] <uriah> I’ve lost interest in watching most stuff
[9:33] <iEv0lv3__> The only one I partially enjoyed is the one where Anakin turned to the darkaide out of live. That ish was powerful in my little heart
[9:33] <iEv0lv3__> *love
[9:33] <uriah> so now I listen to music and idle in here
[9:33] <mine9> which reminds me, I need to hook the computer up to the TV again because I can't watch the "special" editions of the original trilogy, but I have Harmy's despecialized versions on the computer
[9:34] <mine9> uriah: well I would get a lot more projects done if I didn't have Hulu and Netflix, that's for sure!
[9:34] <iEv0lv3__> All I was is all the Marvel shows and movies. But barely have time with that since I'm always delving I to countless tuts to expand my knowledge
[9:34] <iEv0lv3__> *all I watch
[9:35] <mine9> agents of shield has gotten pretty weird with the new season
[9:35] <mine9> then again they were never NOT weird
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[9:35] <uriah> mine9: not necessarily... your motivation might still be lacking after you decide you’re sick of tv
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[9:36] <uriah> then you’ll walk around your home wondering what’s wrong with you, etc
[9:36] <iEv0lv3__> I stopped at 2 disappointingly. Legion was one of the best shows I've seen. Just finished The Gifted season 1, now I'm on Runaways, halfway thru
[9:36] <mine9> my lack of motivation largely revolves around lack of organization. Which is partly due to lack of space for walls covered in parts bins :P
[9:36] <mine9> what I need is a shop space the size of the house I'm living in right now...
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[9:36] <uriah> heh
[9:36] <mine9> so basically, I need to win the powerball
[9:36] <uriah> a house, wow
[9:37] <uriah> lucky
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[9:37] <mine9> uriah: don't get too jealous
[9:37] <uriah> nah
[9:37] <mine9> I can't even afford an apartment in this town
[9:37] <uriah> I have less debt
[9:37] <mine9> I'm living with my parents
[9:37] <uriah> ah
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[9:37] <mine9> otherwise I would be on the street
[9:37] <Lartza> Just get support from your gov... oh :P
[9:38] <iEv0lv3__> I've lived on my own (on the streets) since 14
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[9:38] <mine9> I spent some time as a long haul truck driver, so all my stuff was stored in my parents basement
[9:38] * uriah sees if whois results in general location acquisition
[9:38] <iEv0lv3__> Not in the streets now. I learned to hustle. By 17 had my own condo, 3 cars, still had the maturity to put myself thru hs
[9:39] <mine9> then they were doing cruises all the time so I stayed in the house so it wouldnt' be empty half the year
[9:39] <mine9> then the medical problems started, so out of work for a while and bills piling up
[9:39] <mine9> finally paid off the hospital bills earlier this year, now I'm trying to work on the credit card bills
[9:39] <mine9> once I get out of debt I will be doing pretty good
[9:39] <uriah> mine9: yeah... being poor in the states is impossible
[9:40] <iEv0lv3__> I do get gov support, working under the table means u get twice as much😉 pimo the systwm
[9:40] <iEv0lv3__> *system
[9:40] <iEv0lv3__> *pimp
[9:40] <Lartza> iEv0lv3__, If you're in the states the government doesn't really have the support structures I have for instance
[9:40] <mine9> the job I have now doesn't pay enough to pay off the bills in a reasonable amount of time
[9:40] <mine9> I really need to push harder to find a better paying job
[9:41] <iEv0lv3__> Sell drugs
[9:41] <mine9> lol
[9:41] <Lartza> Currently I get all of my money (around 1000€ or 1200$) as different kind of benefits or support
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[9:42] <uriah> iEv0lv3__: I know a long time ago Gentoo user who has a similar story to yours
[9:42] <iEv0lv3__> That's how I do it. One point made 2000 profit everyday. Those were the good times..
[9:42] <uriah> I wonder if you’re telling the truth
[9:42] <iEv0lv3__> I am
[9:42] <mine9> until you get shot stabbed or arrested
[9:42] <iEv0lv3__> Lulz
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[9:42] <iEv0lv3__> Great opportunity comes with great risk
[9:42] <uriah> heh
[9:42] <uriah> ok
[9:42] <mine9> I prefer having a clean criminal record
[9:42] <mine9> too many things I do depend on that
[9:43] <uriah> agreed
[9:43] <Lartza> I don't need or want to cheat the government yeah, get through uni and work is my plan
[9:43] <Lartza> Or drugs... lol
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[9:43] <iEv0lv3__> Been stabbed, shot at, had guns in my mouth multiple times, and my house raided, by jackpots and task force (took 15yrs to ever get caught)...but all that makes u smarter
[9:44] <iEv0lv3__> *by taskforce
[9:44] <iEv0lv3__> No idea how that autocorrect to jackpot lmao
[9:44] <uriah> ikr
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[9:45] <gordonDrogon> perhaps we can talk about Raspberry Pi's rather than the glory of crime...
[9:45] <uriah> agreed
[9:46] <uriah> gordonDrogon: I’m in the middle of writing gentoo rpi1 musl-libc docs
[9:46] <iEv0lv3__> I have a legit job now at a hospital, just got promoted (had to work for probation, even tho I'm off now), but I can never stop slanging, I get anxiety when I'm not making that easy money, I feel like if I spend without making a profit, I'm wasting money
[9:47] <iEv0lv3__> But moving on
[9:47] <uriah> so they can officially support the rpi1 family with alternative libc
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> uriah, I never did get into gentoo, although it feels like something I should. Too many other things to do...
[9:47] <uriah> gordonDrogon: for rpi it’ll be a breeze once I’m done
[9:48] <uriah> so get ready to put testing it in your todo list
[9:48] <ShorTie> and 2 days to compile
[9:48] <gordonDrogon> haha.. it'll be so far down the list ...
[9:48] <uriah> nope
[9:49] <uriah> not with this musl/busybox setup
[9:49] <uriah> uses libressl too
[9:49] <uriah> lol gordonDrogon
[9:49] <iEv0lv3__> gordonDrogon: you were talking about having a rpi3 be a VPN server AND client was a bad idea for security reasons (I think it was you), but what if I attached another programmable WiFi dev board to it? To give it 2 separate on board WiFi running on diff boards.
[9:49] <uriah> the compile time I mean ShorTie
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> iEv0lv3__, no I wasn't talking about that - if this was a few days ago I was suggesting that what you were doing was overcomplicated.
[9:50] <uriah> iEv0lv3__: what’re you trying to do?
[9:51] <iEv0lv3__> How can it be achieved simpler while still maintaining my goal?
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> I'd have to go back and re-read (which I can't be botherredto do right now), but what I suggested was to use a phone as a hotspot and have all your other devices ise that.
[9:51] <iEv0lv3__> I want to make a portable VPN router that can autoconnect to any nearest open WiFi.
[9:52] <uriah> ok
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> a Pi with wi-fi can do that.
[9:53] <uriah> why not have a powered USB hub hooking up LTE and 5ghz wifi to the pi so you can do dual band wifi and use LTE instead of using an open wifi?
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> uriah, he wants it for free.
[9:53] <iEv0lv3__> I figured in open network enters wlan1 usb dongle, goes to one of the onboard chips that run a OpenVPN server, pass it to the rpi3 wlan0 as the OpenVPN client, and allow 2nd usb WiFi dongle to setup as access point to vpn
[9:53] <uriah> dump it in a box, put a gps in case you lose it
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> uriah, so unless he steals a 4g sim, then ...
[9:54] <uriah> gordonDrogon: lte data plans from T-Mobile are cheap
[9:54] <iEv0lv3__> Why would I need a sim?
[9:54] <iEv0lv3__> OpenVPN is free
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> iEv0lv3__, read then think.
[9:55] <uriah> :)
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[9:55] <uriah> you only need VPN once
[9:55] <uriah> from router to remote VPN server
[9:55] <iEv0lv3__> I know. But I need host side, and client side
[9:56] <uriah> uh
[9:56] <uriah> why?
[9:56] <uriah> hostapd not secure enough for you?
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> most of the world works like that - just one device - connect to hot spot and off you go. a decent little laptop is all you need.
[9:56] <iEv0lv3__> I like all the extra security I can get
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> I stopped carrying multiple devices a lot time back.
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[9:57] <uriah> iEv0lv3__: ok
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[9:58] <uriah> you can make the access point a VPN tunnel, sure. but you still need to run hostapd and then dhcpd
[9:58] <uriah> and either of those can be owned
[9:59] <iEv0lv3__> So can OpenVPN
[9:59] <uriah> so your best bet is to simplify
[9:59] <iEv0lv3__> And digitalocean
[9:59] <iEv0lv3__> By adding 4g?
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> or ... you know ... just connect up like everyone else then use https and ssh
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[9:59] <gordonDrogon> from your little laptop that you carry and own.
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[9:59] <gordonDrogon> and Heinz Wolf has died )-: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42378765
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[10:00] <uriah> it can be a pitop if you prefer
[10:00] <iEv0lv3__> gordonDrogon: wyd connect like everyone else?
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> because I don't need anything more.
[10:00] <iEv0lv3__> *wym
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> and it "just works".
[10:01] <iEv0lv3__> It works for me too. From home and remembered networks. I want it to work everywhere, remeber
[10:01] <iEv0lv3__> Even on unknown networks
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> and?
[10:02] <iEv0lv3__> So the server has to autoconnect to open networks to run
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> the only issues here are ones you're creating for yourself.
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[10:02] <uriah> it’s actually pretty ok practice to have a separate box as a firewall instead of your workstation
[10:02] <iEv0lv3__> Well help explain better. I just had an idea to make a tor VPN WiFi repeater
[10:03] <uriah> meh
[10:03] <iEv0lv3__> That's wht I been trynna accomplish
[10:03] <oq> cut out the tor bit
[10:03] <uriah> indeed
[10:03] <iEv0lv3__> Done
[10:03] <iEv0lv3__> Had thought that might slow it too much anyways
[10:04] <uriah> I think oq means that is not to be spoken of here
[10:04] <oq> well tor is crap
[10:04] <oq> and the fbi run all the exit nodes nowadays
[10:04] <uriah> true that too
[10:04] <oq> when a vpn will sort you just fine
[10:04] <iEv0lv3__> True
[10:04] <uriah> anyway
[10:05] <iEv0lv3__> 3:02 AM <uriah> it’s actually pretty ok practice to have a separate box as a firewall instead of your workstation
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[10:05] <uriah> yup
[10:05] <uriah> which is good reason to carry more than one device around
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[10:06] <uriah> but LTE connection from phone is behind a nat
[10:06] <uriah> usually
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[10:06] <uriah> no more clues
[10:06] <iEv0lv3__> Well, I did plan on making the rpi do all this (except VPN client) then was gonna have pi Zero be client and AP
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[10:06] <uriah> ok
[10:07] <iEv0lv3__> I use ngrok to bypass NAT, but that has it's own issue I need to sort
[10:07] <uriah> ngrok?
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> from the "make life hard for you" department.
[10:07] <Lartza> uriah, commercial service that reverse opens port to behind NAT
[10:07] <iEv0lv3__> I just thought if I could make it all in one by adding another dev board, even better
[10:08] <uriah> lol
[10:08] <uriah> openssh please
[10:08] <uriah> shell scripting exists for excellent reasons
[10:08] <Lartza> Well you need a server for that
[10:09] <uriah> that’s really cheap
[10:09] <iEv0lv3__> Free on digitalocean
[10:09] <Lartza> ngrok is 5USD a month but apparently that's too much
[10:09] <Lartza> Servers aren't free no
[10:09] <uriah> and iEv0lv3__ mentioned he uses DO
[10:09] <iEv0lv3__> Ngrok is free
[10:09] <Lartza> ngrok has a free plan
[10:09] <Lartza> but has also two paid plans
[10:09] <iEv0lv3__> Yes
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[10:10] <Lartza> That would solve your issues with it...
[10:10] <Lartza> for instance, afaik
[10:10] <iEv0lv3__> I will find a way to make the free work.
[10:10] <iEv0lv3__> 5 dollars my tooshy
[10:10] <Lartza> Well if you're already using DO you are paying kind of the same amount and can do the same there so
[10:11] <iEv0lv3__> No, digitalocean is free for 2 servers. If u want more than that they charge
[10:12] <iEv0lv3__> But the rpi3 will still need autoconnect to forward the server to pi Zero and give me connection
[10:13] <Lartza> Uhh no it isn't? Where?
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[10:16] <iEv0lv3__> Oh, free for 2 months, not 2 droplets
[10:17] <Lartza> Yes
[10:17] <Lartza> Only way of getting free DO I know is being a student and grabbing 50$ of credits from github, that would get you through ten months afaict
[10:17] <Lartza> And only other decent free server I know is getting a year of free Amazon EC2
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[10:22] <uriah> yup
[10:23] <uriah> and once that runs out it’s pretty cheap if you’re not using it at least
[10:23] <uriah> but they’re only free up to a certain amount of usage
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[10:23] <iEv0lv3__> So if I have 2 pi zero w stacked. Each with a usb WiFi dongle, wouldn't that be the same as carrying around 2 devices to do this?
[10:23] <uriah> iEv0lv3__: ugh
[10:24] <uriah> one thing is for sure: the pi wifi has low range and only does 2.4ghz
[10:24] <uriah> so get a USB3 5ghz
[10:24] <iEv0lv3__> Hence the dongle
[10:24] <uriah> long range
[10:24] <uriah> no need for two pis
[10:25] <iEv0lv3__> Have 2 5ghz dongles
[10:25] <uriah> ok
[10:25] <iEv0lv3__> Oh ok
[10:25] <uriah> get a powered USB hub
[10:25] <iEv0lv3__> Done
[10:25] <uriah> so only one pi
[10:29] <Lartza> uriah, 5ghz is lower range than 2.4 though :P
[10:29] <iEv0lv3__> So i could set up openvpn on a dongle? I do have this issue with my powered usb hub now that u mention it... it's powered by usb, but I hear they take a tole on the rpi because they run at 5v. In fact, if I unplug it from my zero, and reconnect it, it reboots the zero. And in the rpi3, it will shut down periodically and flash the thunderbolt icon in top right
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[10:31] <Lartza> That's not a powered hub...
[10:31] <iEv0lv3__> Actually, my dongles have a 60db antenna, not sure the ghx
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[10:31] <iEv0lv3__> *ghz
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> openvpn is a softeare application - it works with a network connection - it does not know/care/need to know what that network connection is. I think you might want to learn more about the internet first.
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[10:37] <iEv0lv3__> Shit, ur right, it just needs authtokens. So it will do what I want all by it's lonesome?
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[10:39] <iEv0lv3__> And no need to be snark
[10:40] <iEv0lv3__> I came to learn as tgis is an entirely new world to me. So keep the edginess out of it
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[10:42] <uriah> Lartza: depends where you are :-)
[10:42] <uriah> if in a city then 5ghz performs better
[10:43] <Lartza> uriah, Does not change the range
[10:43] <Lartza> 5ghz doesn't penetrate as well etc
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[10:44] <iEv0lv3__> Well, whatever the alpha awus035nh has, that's what I have
[10:44] <iEv0lv3__> Q*036
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[10:44] <iEv0lv3__> *awus036nh
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[10:45] <iEv0lv3__> I know it give me an extra 3-5 blocks radius
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[11:23] <GenteelBen> Morning, my fellow raspists.
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[12:06] <iEv0lv3__> GenteelBen: go pancake yourself with a rusty candy cane, right up your chocolate chip cookie. You hairy muffin chewing dip
[12:07] <iEv0lv3__> ^I can see how it's become tiresome gordonDrogon
[12:07] <iEv0lv3__> *it'd
[12:11] <iEv0lv3__> gordonDrogon: also, I'm probably wrong here as you seem well educated in the field, but I remember doing an OpenVPN setup, and in order to have it globally accessible, it needed a cloud service. But this still only allows ssh back to the Server side (If I were using 2 separate boards.. Not together either as adoremenrioned)
[12:12] <iEv0lv3__> *reverse ssh
[12:12] <iEv0lv3__> *aforementioned
[12:12] <iEv0lv3__> (I'll teach this keyboard right yet) lol
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[12:26] <iEv0lv3__> Anyone have suggestions on one of those virtual screen oblverlays that shows a live cpu temp, core usage, and other relevant stuff? I've seen them on YouTube tutorials, I want a good one. Simple, but fancy, tech. But not over tech like the Jarvis one. Can't remember what they're called
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[12:49] <gordonDrogon> iEv0lv3__, we might not agree with the way GenteelBen announced himself here but there no need for personal insults.
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> iEv0lv3__, VPNs need an endpoint with a known IP address, preferably one that doesn't change and preferably one that's not behind NAT.
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[12:50] <gordonDrogon> and the easiest way to achieve that is to rent a VPS.
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[12:51] <gordonDrogon> but that means paying money - which you're trying to not do, so ...
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[12:53] <iEv0lv3__> Got ya so the hard way it is. And I saw no personal insults, just yummy adjectives
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[12:54] <iEv0lv3__> Would anyone you've ever known take those words as an actual insult? Lol. God I hope not
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> here's another option - when away from home, why not enjoy the outdoors? Look about you, see what's happening and switch-off/unplug for a while.. No-one actually needs 24/7 connectivity when walking about.
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> offff
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> pffffff
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> you shut your dirty mouth
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> we don' need that kind of negativiy
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[14:38] <Fr0stBit> Anyone got git lfs working in raspberry pi?
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[14:41] <ShorTie> ya
[14:41] <Fr0stBit> How?
[14:42] <ShorTie> although i use my own method, there is this http://intestinate.com/pilfs/
[14:43] <Fr0stBit> ShorTie: No i meant "git-lfs" package XD
[14:43] <ShorTie> what are you having problems with ??
[14:43] <ShorTie> oh, Sorry
[14:43] <Fr0stBit> I cannot find the package, even after adding the repository
[14:44] <ShorTie> did you do a apt update ??
[14:44] <Fr0stBit> Yep.
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[14:45] <Fr0stBit> Just following this: https://github.com/git-lfs/git-lfs/blob/master/INSTALLING.md
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[14:48] <ShorTie> sure they support arm in that repository ??
[14:49] <Fr0stBit> Well i see "raspbian" referenced into the script
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[14:52] <bsdnoob> guys
[14:52] <bsdnoob> can anyone give me link to https raspibian image?
[14:52] <bsdnoob> all i see is http links
[14:52] <bsdnoob> filter rules block the download :(
[14:53] <Fr0stBit> Change it to https, cert invalid but still working
[14:54] <bsdnoob> http link?
[14:54] <ShorTie> http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/images/
[14:54] <ShorTie> has any image you want for a pi
[14:55] <bsdnoob> Access Denied
[14:55] <bsdnoob> damn
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[15:09] <ceda> hi ... what are the main differences between RPi.GPIO and gpiozero. Which one should I use as a newbie to GPIO. I have a good hold on Python and a great hold on Linux.
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[15:29] <Lartza> Fr0stBit, Cert invalid?
[15:32] <Fr0stBit> Lartza: on the raspbian download mirror, if you get the link and change the protocol from http to https as bsdnoob requested the certificate is self signed or due
[15:32] <Lartza> I don
[15:32] <Lartza> I don't experience that
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[15:33] <Fr0stBit> I experienced it once, now chrome does not ask for permission, it could be that specific mirror that it redirected me idk
[15:33] <Lartza> Fr0stBit, https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/images/ works just fine for me, could be a mirror issue I guess but not sure
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[15:34] <BCMM> ceda: i mean, if you're already good with python, just have a look at the examples and see which one looks like the more comfortable API to you
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[15:35] <BCMM> ceda: they're both included in raspbian's default install so i don't think either of them is some weird unsupported thing that's likely to suddenly go away
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[15:47] <ceda> BCMM: that's not my question. My question is what is the difference in terms of speed, availability of features, etc
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[15:51] <ceda> BCMM: also, which one is better documented?
[15:52] <BCMM> frankly i don't think that speed is going to be a major concern for any GPIO library
[15:52] <ceda> BCMM: what about the availability of features?
[15:53] <BCMM> ceda: admittedly i haven't used either of them. a quick skim of the documentation suggested that they were both reasonably comprehensive
[15:54] <ceda> BCMM: thanks...
[15:56] <ceda> btw, gpiozero has good documentation on readthdocs ... i guess that is what i will be choosing
[15:56] <BCMM> ceda: actually on closer inspection i like the gpiozero docs more. the other one seems almost entirely example-based
[15:57] <BCMM> ceda: plus gpiozero seems to have built-in APIs for certain expansion boards - i don't know what you're doing, but having support for hardware other than the Pi itself can be useful
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[15:58] <BCMM> i've mostly use wiringpi in pure C, but the thing I really like about that was that it contains a driver for HD44780-compatible LCD controllers so I didn't have to actually learn what the protocol for those looks like
[15:58] <ceda> BCMM: well, i actually might be expanding my project and it could possibly use some external hardware.
[15:59] <BCMM> but if you're just flipping a relay on and off or whatever, then that sort of thing doesn't matter
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[16:00] <ceda> BCMM: i haven't studied C and probably won't be studying it within a few years, that is why I am going with python...
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[16:00] <pierssturley> So now that Net Neutrality is deceased, does anyone have any projects to use the Raspberry Pi to make hybrid, ad hoc, homebrew sneaker net, P2P, offline networking solutions to meet common problems of connectivity that either poverty, poor infrastructure or privacy concerns might otherwise inhibit?
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[16:01] <BCMM> ceda: yeah, was making a more general point about the utility of supporting specific stuff connected to gpio, rather than merely supporting the gpio hardware itself
[16:01] <ceda> pierssturley: I feel so sorry for Americans... I just hope substratum gains popularity...
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[16:03] <ceda> https://substratum.net if someone doesn't have idea what it is
[16:04] <pierssturley> ceda: I appreciate the headsup on that. Very exciting.
[16:04] <BCMM> ceda: it might work to democratise/decentralise *hosting*, but i don't see how it protects against the people who control the actual, physical network connections denying bandwidth to normal people
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[16:07] <pierssturley> BCMM: that's a very good point.
[16:07] <ceda> BCMM: well, if your ISP had to slow down say duckduckgo.com , it would simply slow down your connections to the specific IP address of duckduckgo.com, now they have to slow the whole network which will slow everything in turn.
[16:08] <BCMM> ceda: or they just slow down all traffic that's not going to one of their partner's services
[16:08] <ceda> BCMM: that would not be very practical
[16:08] <BCMM> whyever not?
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[16:09] <BCMM> i think that's the exact situation that makes the end of net neutrality worrying
[16:09] <ceda> BCMM: because that would mean slowing 99.999% of internet
[16:09] <jacekowski> ceda: so
[16:10] <jacekowski> ceda: net neutrality laws have only been introduced 3 years ago
[16:10] <BCMM> ceda: only briefly :) pretty soon service would pay up, or people would switch to using priority services
[16:10] <pierssturley> Anyone got any Raspberry Pi mesh networking projects? P2P or offline networking projects?
[16:10] <jacekowski> ceda: and now we just have gone back to situation from 3 years ago
[16:10] <BCMM> or if it's a matter of just marking traffic high priority if the source or destination is on the list of people that have paid for priority traffic, then this process can happen slowly
[16:11] <BCMM> more and more priority traffic, slower and slower for everybody else
[16:11] <pierssturley> Anything like a glorified PirateBox grid, or something????
[16:11] <ceda> well, I now feel lucky being an Indian.
[16:11] <jacekowski> BCMM: nothing has changed - law just gone back to situation from 3 years ago
[16:12] <jacekowski> and the reality of it is, nothing is going to change
[16:12] <ceda> btw, sorry for taking everyone off-topic.
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[16:12] <BCMM> ceda: also, 99.999% is an exaggeration when over a third of domestic broadband traffic is netflix
[16:12] <jacekowski> the reason why ISPs want to prioritise the traffic is so they can get more money
[16:12] <jacekowski> BCMM: it is probably pornhub
[16:12] <ceda> BCMM: i meant in terms of no of websites.
[16:13] <BCMM> ceda: most people *are* using a small number of very large services, and killing off all the niche stuff won't really effect most people
[16:13] <jacekowski> BCMM: also, ISPs will not care about niche stuff
[16:13] <jacekowski> BCMM: ISPs want to get paid more, and well, netflix already pays more than someone using less bandwidth
[16:13] <ceda> BCMM: that's true
[16:14] <jacekowski> so i don't see how anything will change
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[16:14] <BCMM> jacekowski: then you're missing the point. netflix isn't paying the last-mile ISPs that actually deliver the content to end-users
[16:15] <BCMM> the end users pay them. there's great potential for basically double-charging by making the source of that traffic pay too
[16:15] <jacekowski> well, (at least here), last mile ISPs are the same as first mile ISPs
[16:15] <BCMM> (even though they're already paying their own isp to connect to the backbone)
[16:15] <ceda> can anyone tell me what this last mile and first mile ISPs are ?
[16:16] <jacekowski> BT for example
[16:16] <BCMM> jacekowski: look at it like this: a service that hosts content on the internet presently has a relationship with a *single* isp (maybe a couple for redundancy, but you get the point)
[16:17] <BCMM> if domestic ISPs can be paid to filter their customer's traffic, then those services can be forced to come to an arrangement with *every* ISP
[16:17] <jacekowski> theoretically
[16:17] <jacekowski> at the same time, it was legal 3 years ago
[16:17] <jacekowski> and that wasn't the case
[16:17] <gluon> jacekowski: you touched a very important point, niche stuff. i'm generally not fearful at all about losing net neutrality, except for something like an isp simply not caring at all about old protocols, like irc
[16:18] <BCMM> jacekowski: look at what's happening now in markets where zero-rating is permitted
[16:18] <BCMM> jacekowski: you're from the UK, right? have you not seen any adverts for mobile contract in the last forever?
[16:18] <jacekowski> BCMM: yes
[16:19] <BCMM> i'm on ee and they keep SMS spamming me about how data for apple music doesn't count towards my allowance any more
[16:19] <jacekowski> but well, UK went "unlimited" on all contracts a while ago
[16:19] <gluon> BCMM: i'm from portugal, where one isp is taking advantage of zero-rating and it didn't change much
[16:19] <BCMM> jacekowski: um, what>?
[16:19] <gluon> yet, at least
[16:19] <jacekowski> BCMM: if you are are on provider better than nothing nowhere
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[16:20] <jacekowski> t-mobile had unlimited contracts ~10 years ago (before EE happened)
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[16:20] <jacekowski> three had unlimited contracts up until few months ago
[16:20] <BCMM> so it's not anticompetitive to favour apple over other streaming services, because i could pay more somewhere else to have unlimited data for everything?
[16:20] <gluon> will eventually something like irc be blocked or throttled to dial-up speeds? the latter would still be acceptable for me anyway
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[16:21] <jacekowski> gluon: unlikely
[16:21] <jacekowski> gluon: there is no money to be made on it
[16:22] <BCMM> irc is probably safe, it's things that have serious commercial competitors that one should worry about
[16:22] <gluon> right, so there will always be a base package for general traffic, including niche stuff?
[16:22] <BCMM> i mean, there's probably nobody with an interest in paying to have IRC cut off
[16:22] <gluon> at an acceptable bandwidth
[16:23] <gluon> or could we reach a point where there's no "base package" and you must subscribe everything specifically
[16:23] <jacekowski> as a customer if ISP provided me "limited" internet i would go somewhere else
[16:23] <gluon> yes, me too, assuming there's enough competition providing something better
[16:23] <BCMM> jacekowski: the thing is, a lot of people won't
[16:24] <jacekowski> in the US where there isn't that much choice in most places
[16:24] <BCMM> they won't fully understand the problem and they won't want the hassle of changing
[16:24] <jacekowski> in europe where you have at least 10 ISPs covering every house situation will be different
[16:24] <gluon> right
[16:24] <BCMM> in a situation where paying ISPs to provide you with an audience is the norm, what happens if i want to start my own streaming service?
[16:25] <BCMM> am i supposed to convince end-users to switch to an isp that allows 3rd-party music streaming so they can join my service?
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[16:26] <jacekowski> well, at the moment that is not the case
[16:26] <BCMM> it doesn't matter that *you* will switch to an isp that does things properly, because the massive barrier to entry will mean that things you might want to use simply don't exist, for any isp
[16:26] <BCMM> jacekowski: we have NN for household ISPs, just not for mobile. Until Brexit, that is.
[16:26] <jacekowski> and most you get is customer paying for a service (apple music) so they can pay isp to provide their service to the customer
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[16:27] <jacekowski> so in effect you are paying for it anyway
[16:27] <jacekowski> it is just not advertised as such
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[16:28] <jacekowski> and there is a difference between prioritising traffic and blocking it completly
[16:28] <BCMM> i would bet that apple music is not just paying mobile networks to provide their service to the customer. they're also paying them not to come to a similar agreement with anybody else
[16:29] <jacekowski> BCMM: i believe that is still illegal (any kind of anticompetitive exclusivity agreements)
[16:30] <BCMM> they happen anyway, see PC OEMs and Microsoft...
[16:30] <GenteelBen> jacekowski, it isn't illegal to sign an exclusivity agreement with someone.
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[16:30] <jacekowski> BCMM: there are other reasons for that
[16:30] <BCMM> GenteelBen: well, it's illegal in a certain specific set of circumstances, which can be readily circumvented
[16:30] <jacekowski> BCMM: and you can get PCs with no OS
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[16:31] <jacekowski> BCMM: but well, in reality there are no alternatives to windows on PC
[16:31] <jacekowski> BCMM: apple is not going to sell you osx to run on PC
[16:31] <jacekowski> linux might be an option for some
[16:31] <BCMM> jacekowski: the fact that not everybody has such agreements is *completely irrelevant* to whether such agreements exist
[16:32] <jacekowski> microsoft was fined for having such agreements
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[16:35] <jacekowski> and well, going back to apple music, they are still well behind spotify
[16:35] <jacekowski> and google music is nowhere to be seen
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[16:41] <pierssturley> jacekowski: Recently Apple announced iOS and Mac OS (formerly OS X) were to become open source. Perhaps that might provoke a legitimate flavour of Hackintosh?
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[16:42] <jacekowski> mac os used to be open source (partially)
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[16:42] <jacekowski> and then with no warning they've stopped releasing sources
[16:42] <BCMM> pierssturley: i am very dubious of that claim
[16:42] <jacekowski> microsoft is more open than apple at the moment
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[16:43] <BCMM> pierssturley: open-sourcing macos, that is. reisntating open-source releases of *Darwin*, as they had for many years, is more believable
[16:45] <BCMM> pierssturley: but won't help much with hackintosh. the kernel was open source for years at the start of the hackintosh thing, but macos loaded a proprietary kernel module to check for their TPM
[16:45] <pierssturley> BCMM: I'd just like to rewrite iOS to firewall off the baseband processor to protect against baseband processor hacking (Quadrooter and Pegasus malware)! Like an Android mod similar to Cryptophone's custom Samsung III.
[16:46] <BCMM> pierssturley: ever heard of tivoisation?
[16:46] <pierssturley> BCMM: never. Searching now...
[16:46] <GenteelBen> uwotm8
[16:46] <BCMM> pierssturley: the source code for the iOS kernel would allow you to build your own iOS kernel binaries, but it *wouldn't* allow you to actually run them on an iPhone
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[16:47] <BCMM> since hardware/lower-level firmware on the phone will check for apple's cryptographic signature at boot
[16:47] <pierssturley> BCMM: Well that's another dream vanquished!!!!! Oh dear. And a completely new concept. Thanks for sharing - it is very useful idea to understand.
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[16:48] <BCMM> pierssturley: anyway, apple is *not* actually open-sourcing macos or ios
[16:49] <BCMM> pierssturley: they're just re-open-sourcing Darwin, which is the base macos and ios are built on
[16:50] <pierssturley> Thanks for clarifying that. Better to know. Was having some blue skies dreams of ultra-secure iOS hardware.
[16:50] <BCMM> it's basically the unix-like bits of the os; the kernel and the modified bsd userland. this was open source (apple public license) for many years in the past, but never included the bits that make it macos
[16:51] <BCMM> none of the built-in apple application and none of the GUI stuff
[16:51] <BCMM> pierssturley: in particular quartz, cocoa and so on were always proprietary
[16:52] <BCMM> i'm not clear on who has ever used darwin, as opposed to macos, when there are more popular and better supported unix-like OSs available for the same hardware
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[16:54] <BCMM> tbh i think apple just vaguely hoped that OpenDarwin would take off as an alternative to desktop linux, and then the free software community would do a bunch of development so apple didn't have to
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[17:13] <rpdom> Quiet here, isn't it?
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> sunday afternoon here..
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[17:13] <rpdom> 4:13?
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> ish.
[17:14] <rpdom> Yep. That's Essex time for you
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> Essex?
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[17:15] <rpdom> A small planet. In an orbit around Londinium.
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> ah.
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> fortunately I'm far, far away.
[17:16] <rpdom> It's a bit chilly, but a Pi has just turned the heat on for me.
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[17:16] <gordonDrogon> my 0 year old central heating controller does that for me ...
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> s/0/20/
[17:18] <rpdom> Well, my heating is only 19 years old, but adding a Pi to it has improved the efficiency and heating a huge amount.
[17:18] <rpdom> I've saved hundreds over the last four years.
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[17:38] <gordonDrogon> how?
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[17:40] <rpdom> Disabled the timer. Used a Pi instead with a temperature sensor and a database of desired temperatures for different times of day. Now the heating only comes on when needed, rather than warming up the system when the house is already warm enough. It also keeps things warmish at night.
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> seem fair enough.
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> being scottish, I'm a bit mean - we only heat the rooms we're in.
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[17:41] <gordonDrogon> however heating the house is a bit insignificant compared to running my ovens in the bakery )-:
[17:42] <rpdom> Yep, I can see that would use a log of power.
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> I'm somewhat concerned about doing too many changes too - might be an issue when we come to sell.
[17:43] <rpdom> That's what I like about mine. Just two wires changed in the boiler controller. I can rip those out in a couple of minutes.
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> up to 9Kw for 4 hours - although after the first 1.5 hours they're up to temperature so cycle, but loading an oven with 12Kg of dough does somewhat reduce the temperature a little!
[17:44] <rpdom> How do you get time to write any software with all that baking going on? (yes, my heating does use some wiringpi code)
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> A friend of mine has completely re-done their house with auto-everything - and their own design too - I suspect they'll need it re-wiring when they sell..
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> rpdom, it's a long story.
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> typically the bread making (not cakes, etc.) needs time at 3pm for up to an hour), 8pm for 1-1.5 hours, and 5am for 4 hours. plenty of time left over...
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> I thought all the cool kids were moving to pigpio now..
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[17:47] <rpdom> I was never cool. I write my own stuff when I get the time.
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[17:49] <rpdom> Which is one thing I don't have enough of. 9-5 job, plus out of hours cover to 2am 2two weeks in every three
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> I don't think I'd suit a 9-5 job again
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> been self-employed for over 15 years now.
[17:49] <rpdom> It's a good job. Fun place to work.
[17:50] <rpdom> I got sent home one day for not liking football.
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[17:51] <gordonDrogon> I don't like football either.
[17:51] <rpdom> Last year's Christmas party was held in Sweden.
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> neat.
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[17:52] <rpdom> The boss lived over there and flew us all over to visit him for the weekend
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[17:52] <gordonDrogon> nice boss.
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> don't think I've ever had a boss as nice as that in the past.
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> but working for small startups has it's own challenges and occasional fun times.
[17:53] <rpdom> I've had some good and some bad ones. This one is very generous when he's happy.
[17:54] <rpdom> It is a small company. Just 10 employees when I joined nearly two years ago. Expanding a bit now with 15 of us.
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> tech. based?
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[17:55] <rpdom> The boss also lets me have part of Tuesday afternoon off to run a Code Club at the city library
[17:55] <rpdom> Yes, telecomms. VoIP.
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[17:56] <rpdom> Many Linux servers.
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> ah right. I did a little bit og Voip once upon a time.
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> but I'm a crap businessman, so got shafted by a client who was better a business than me.
[18:03] <rpdom> That sucks.
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[18:04] <rpdom> I was lucky to get this job. It was just when I really needed it. there is a complicated story.
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> my aim was to develope a little reseller based model, but one reseller just more or less took over, then once he's sucked me for all his support, switched wholesale supplier just at the point I was about to start employing people to help me with support...
[18:05] <rpdom> Ouch!
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> I was just a little too naive and too eager to get him going.
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> and he was just too greedy.
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> but good businessmen usually are.
[18:06] <rpdom> Well, we've had our share of bad resellers too. We've had to write of bill of many tens of thousands in one case.
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> ouch. then there's sipvicious.
[18:07] <rpdom> Oh... don't mention that...
[18:07] <rpdom> That is a royal pain
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> I see it still going on on my own private asterisk, even now.
[18:09] <rpdom> It doesn't get through to my phone here, but some of our customers get it and we try to get them to reconfigure their phones to ignore/block it.
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> I worked out a nice little iptables rule to block it.
[18:10] <rpdom> Oh? That probably won't help our customers because most of them won't be using iptables, or won't be able to change them, but might be worth knowing.
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> drop me an email.
[18:11] <rpdom> Will od
[18:11] <rpdom> do
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> I fronted all my Linux systems with it and it was very effective.
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[18:25] <Mortvert> Hello.
[18:25] <Mortvert> Anyone here got experience salvaging LCDs from cheap chinese things?
[18:25] <Mortvert> As I got a broken DVR from my friend's car - I thought I could use the LCD with raspi
[18:25] <Mortvert> But I can't find out the screen's pinout
[18:26] <Mortvert> How can I go on about it?
[18:26] <rpdom> Generally you can't use just any LCD with a Pi
[18:27] <rpdom> Some will work with the right pinout and config. Others will work with a specific adaptor board.
[18:27] <tristero> if it was connected to a driver IC you might be able to look up that part#, find a data sheet, etc.
[18:27] <Mortvert> as308-v10-lcd is what's printed on board
[18:28] <rpdom> Google that and see if you can find details. If you can't then it is unlikely you can use that panel.
[18:28] <Mortvert> things in russian is all I can find
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[18:31] <Shadowave> Hey guys! Can anyone help me get moonlight working on my pi3 running raspbian?
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[18:33] <Shadowave> ? ;(
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[18:38] <gordonDrogon> maybe no-one uses moonlight. what is it?
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[18:40] <rpdom> It's an open source version of Microsoft's Silverlight.
[18:40] <rpdom> I haven't used it.
[18:40] <rpdom> I'm not sure if there is a version that will run on a Pi.
[18:41] <Shadowave> Well, I'm trying to stream from my pc to the pi and play games using a dualshock4... The streaming part is working correctly and i have paired the controller to the pi, but when i start streaming the controller doesnt do anything :(
[18:41] <Shadowave> What am I doing wrong?
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[18:42] <Lartza> rpdom, moonlight has nothing to do with silverlight
[18:43] <rpdom> Ok, so what is it then Lartza?
[18:44] <rpdom> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight_(runtime)
[18:44] <Lartza> http://moonlight-stream.com/
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[18:47] <rpdom> Another moonlight? That gets confusing.
[18:49] <Lartza> rpdom, Moonlight runtime has been dead for long so not really
[18:49] <Lartza> Even Pipelight that replaced it is dead now
[18:49] <Lartza> And I don't see Silverlight itself being a thing anymore really
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[19:24] <iEv0lv3__> 5:55 AM <gordonDrogon> here's another option - when away from home, why not enjoy the outdoors? Look about you, see what's happening and switch-off/unplug for a while.. No-one actually needs 24/7 connectivity when walking about. This is the begenning of a project for an AI. It needs connectivity 24/7. So that way, when enjoying the great outdoors, I can enjoy it with my floating robot buddy. See, my
[19:24] <iEv0lv3__> AI will be able to have different personalities, one of which is a tutor like personality for one on one teaching. Imagine going out and the woods and learning everything about 3verything around those great outdoors, personal educational fieldtrips
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[19:26] <iEv0lv3__> Not to mention it doubles as a personal protective Angel (not explaining how)
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[19:27] <iEv0lv3__> So yes, it NEEDS 24/7 connectivity. And the free way for now, once it works like I want, it'll totally be worth it to pay for services
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[21:45] <degenerate> How do i stop the pi from going to sleep?
[21:45] <degenerate> i found this thread: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/4773/raspberry-pi-sleep-mode-how-to-avoid
[21:45] <degenerate> top answer says to add something to a section [SeatDefaults]
[21:46] <degenerate> but i don't have that section in my /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf file
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[22:37] <gordonDrogon> have you tried a simple xset command in a terminal? xset s off
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[22:40] <red9> xset q
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[23:44] <fm75> Hi, do you know if there are particular steps to be done for creating a bootable SD besides dd'ing the image to it? I backed up (using dd) a perfectly working SD, then erased it, but when I dd'd back the content it won't work anymore. Any idea?
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[23:44] <degenerate> fm75: no it should work. maybe bad sd card
[23:44] <degenerate> maybe write failed, try again? what dd command did you use?
[23:45] <Tenacious-Techhu> fm75, get yourself to a Windows or Mac OS machine and sick the SD Association's SD Card Formatter on it.
[23:45] <Tenacious-Techhu> OS tools suck at formatting SD cards.
[23:46] <Tenacious-Techhu> If that still fails, make sure you didn't buy a fraudulent card off of eBay.
[23:47] <CoJaBo> Formatting it in a camera usually works too.
[23:49] <fm75> Cojabo, tenacious-techhu: what's the point of formatting it if then with a DD you basicallly overwrite it completely at the underlying block level?
[23:49] <Tenacious-Techhu> Usually, but the SD Association gets it right 100%.
[23:50] <CoJaBo> fm75: There's no reason to format first if you're using DD
[23:50] <Tenacious-Techhu> fm75, I could dig up a complicated explanation as to why SD cards are maddeningly weird, but it wouldn't change what you need to do.
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[23:50] <Tenacious-Techhu> The formatting of the card could be wrong; better to format it first.
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[23:52] <fm75> ok, I will give it a go. Thanks!
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[23:57] <Tenacious-Techhu> Anyone know how to modify the bootloader so a distro boots to the tty?
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