#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2017-12-21

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[0:21] <Snake727> what cool stuff can i do with my raspberry? Im looking for stuff to construct
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[0:27] <r3> well, Snake727, if you think of it as an interface between the world of computing (networking, programming, data) and the world of electronics (switches, relays...) and the physical world (lights, doors, video, audio, home, car) ... there are literally infinite things you could do with it. You're only limited by your imagination (and, well, ok some Pi hardware limits too, but you see what
[0:27] <r3> I mean)
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[0:39] <Snake727> Ah yeah, well. What programming language do you recommend to use for programs? Python or C?
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[0:40] <r3> depends what you want to do with it
[0:40] <Snake727> lets say controling a 8x8 led matrix
[0:40] <r3> but why use C if you can use Python, I guess, especially for small projects or when you're just starting out
[0:41] <r3> Python then, probably because there exists a library already for that LED matrix
[0:41] <Snake727> So C is for more bigger projects?
[0:41] <Snake727> I know more C than python at the moment
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[0:42] <r3> well, I wouldn't say bigger, but I would say more involved? Really depends upon the application. Me personally? I'm not going to bang my head against C if I can do a 20-line Python program and be done.
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[0:43] <Snake727> Ah, i see. Does it take a while to learn them? I mean ive done some C and i must say it can be frustrating
[0:43] <r3> naw, if you've the basics then Python is a breeze.
[0:44] <Snake727> Ah, good to know
[0:44] <Snake727> I did once use python to draw stuff
[0:44] <Snake727> Used a (Turtle?) something library
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[0:45] <r3> check out this IDE for beginners: http://thonny.org/ (an IDE is an 'integrated development environment')
[0:46] <Snake727> Thanks
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[3:14] <herb_fargus> is anyone familiar with alsa? I've been trying to figure out a way to record the audio that is coming from my pi while also being able to hear it from the speakers while recording. Found a few loopback examples but can't seem to get any to work proper
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[3:36] <rbasak> herb_fargus: use pulseaudio perhaps? I believe that should be able to do it. I think (but am not sure) that being able to do it directly with ALSA depends on hardware/driver support. No idea whether the Pi is capable.
[3:36] <rbasak> OTOH, pulseaudio can provide it via userspace, so should always work.
[3:37] <herb_fargus> my stipulation for the project is alsa (which I know makes my life more difficult than it needs to be)
[3:37] <herb_fargus> as I'll be pulling out audio from emulators which use the alsa driver
[3:37] <rbasak> I believe there are hooks to pulseaudio-ify things that expect alsa.
[3:38] <herb_fargus> there were some mentions about dmix that the pi may have made janky but I haven't tested it fully yet to verify. seems its an unusual request as far as my googling has been concerned
[3:39] <herb_fargus> I've seen a lot of implementations with physical sound cards, mic's etc. but not very many examples of essentially turning the pi into a capture card with it's drivers
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[3:48] <IanTLopp> really dumb question here, but I'm assuming that if I remove ANY chip on the rpi3 that the unit will fail (to boot, to work, etc.). I'm talking specifically about the wireless chip.
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[4:53] <ball> What screen modes does the Raspberry Pi support on its composite output?
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[4:56] <IanTLopp> 480i
[4:56] <IanTLopp> not sure if you meant something else by the question.
[4:56] <ball> IanTLopp: 640x480?
[4:56] <IanTLopp> effectively.
[4:57] * ball ponders
[4:57] <IanTLopp> 480i is 480 lines of resolu‭tion. composite is a composite video signal comprised of luminance and chrominance that sends 480 lines of signal to the display
[4:57] <IanTLopp> there's no such thing as a resolution for analog modes like that.
[4:57] <IanTLopp> but 640x480 fits the proper bill for mimicking it with reasonable quality.
[4:58] * ball ponders
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[4:58] <ball> Can it only do PAL/NTSC scan rates?
[4:58] <IanTLopp> as a point of fact, the way the patterns were on TV, they were closer to an effective "resolution" of 720x480, but maintained the aspect ratio of 4:3, making the "pixels" roughly 5:4 in size.
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[4:59] <IanTLopp> ball: that I don't know honestly, but as far as I do know, composite is ONLY ntsc/pal
[4:59] <ball> Oh well, that'll do for the family room.
[4:59] <IanTLopp> whether or not there's some other hacky thing that the raspi's composite output can do, I have no clue
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[5:28] <ali1234> ball: the hardware is capable of arbitrary scan rates and resolutions, but to use them you have to twiddle hardware registers directly
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[5:28] <ali1234> and there is no way to inform the compositor if you change the resolution
[5:28] <ali1234> the firmwares only support standard modes
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[5:29] <ball> I just found some information on CONFIG.TXT
[5:29] <ball> ...which seems helpful.
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[7:20] <mlelstv> what device would accept composite in non-standard frequencies? :)
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[8:17] <uriah> rather quiet tonight
[8:17] <mlelstv> .oO( silent night .... )
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[8:21] <uriah> :>
[8:21] <uriah> I guess, yeah
[8:22] <uriah> more people are out partying this week than usual
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[11:05] <dn`> What AWG should I use for the GPIO cables?
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[12:06] <shiftplusone> dn`: a wet string might do
[12:07] <dn`> I find it hard to keep them wet, that’s why I use something standard wires - but I wonder what a good pick is ;-)
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[12:16] <shiftplusone> any copper wire will do. You're not going to draw significant current or put significant voltage on gpio pins.
[12:17] <shiftplusone> how long do they need to be?
[12:17] <dn`> 1m maybe a bit more if possible. I never crimped these - that’s why I was wondering - I’m just to 16/18 AWG but with a lot of current
[12:18] <dn`> 1m/1.5m if possible and preferable I can crimp them myself
[12:21] <shiftplusone> how much is a lot of current?
[12:23] <dn`> (It’s not used for/by the PI - 12V Lines, kinda short - 8 Wires, total 300W)
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[12:26] <dan2wik> What is the max draw per wire and will you need a common ground to match?
[12:27] <mfa298> with higher amps you want a awg that doesn't give too mcuh voltage drop for the cable length. Also consider the type of connector - small 2.54mm headers might not handle many amps.
[12:28] <dn`> for the RasperyPi? I’m not sure regarding max draw - I assume not much, reading form/to i2c?
[12:28] <shiftplusone> I thought you were asking specifically about the wires connected to GPIO pins.
[12:28] <dn`> I’ll try to figure that out
[12:28] <dn`> yes, I’m just asking about that
[12:28] <dn`> sorry - I guess the thingie regarding 12V is confusing - it’s not related in any way to what I’m asking ;-)
[12:28] <dn`> I miss understood one question
[12:28] <shiftplusone> ah, fair enough
[12:28] <dn`> all I do is reading a sensor that preferable has a 1/2m cable length via i2c
[12:28] <dn`> common ground yes
[12:29] <mfa298> if it's signal wires (3v3 and a few mA) then it's probably choosing a wire based on whats sensible to work with as much as anythign else
[12:29] <dn`> I think it’s singal wires and 3v3 as you say - but I never did it, so I’m unsure what the sensible choise is;-)
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[12:30] <mfa298> for higher speed signals you might want to look more at other properties as mcuh as the awg (things like characteristic impedance, capacitance etc)
[12:31] <mfa298> but for 0.5m cable running i2c a bit of ribbon cable might be fine - and is easy to crimp onto 2.5mm headers if you have the right tool
[12:31] <dan2wik> I've run I2C a fair distance using a twisted pair from an ethernet cable.
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[12:31] <shiftplusone> I'll admit that I don't have practical experience with sending signals over longish lines, so I'll shut up instead of making stuff up.
[12:32] <dn`> thank you all for the input - but it seems like I can’t do much wrong ;)
[12:32] <dn`> because current is low, and if the measurment is not totaly off, because of the voltage drop I should be fine - as far as I understand it now
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[12:34] <mfa298> voltage drop across a cable is proportional to the current (it's just ohms law) so with only a few mA of current you need a lot of resistance in the cable to impact the voltage at the end.
[12:36] <mfa298> I think stuff like impedance/ capacitance is more of an issue as you get into MHz signal speeds, for normal i2c it probably won't be an issue - although google probably has better answers about what's acceptable
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[12:38] <shiftplusone> my concern would be noise on the line. You don't want your messages to become corrupted because somebody flipped a switch
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[13:25] <Boobie> What's the best overclocking case
[13:25] <Boobie> for Pi 3 B
[13:25] <Boobie> any HC's in here
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[13:28] <phil42> have a happy solstice everyone
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[13:32] <Boobie> 60 dollar for a FLIRC
[13:32] <Boobie> does that actually make sense?
[13:34] <ali1234> that's about the price of the adafruit 8x8 breakout
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[13:35] <ali1234> which does 10FPS
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[14:13] <norlevo> phil42; thank you! this is a good day...I haven't seen the sun for about a month now
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[15:01] <Zardoz> Boobie: Wicked Aluminium is the best then FLERC, iUniker does good but it's active fan cooling
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[15:02] <Zardoz> Boobie: best bang for the buck is FLERC case for sure.
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[15:05] <Nauti> I just installed google assistant and with it came some silly voicehat drivers. Now they forked up my audio settings and even though I've removed the added overlay settings from /boot/config.txt it isn't as it should be. I have no analog audio sink visible any more. Anyone fiddled with this and can point me in any direction?
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[15:13] <Nauti> Found the install script and it doesn't seem to be doing anything else than change the lines I already reset
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[15:35] <shiftplusone> Nauti: are you using alsa or pulseaudio?
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[16:26] <tnewman> so i wrote a thing about how to netboot your pi https://travnewmatic.com/index.php/2017/12/21/dnsmasq-nfs-and-a-pi-3/
[16:27] <tnewman> think comments are enabled
[16:27] <tnewman> would love some feedback <3
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[16:35] <norlevo> I usually just look at the pictures
[16:35] <norlevo> not very impressive
[16:36] <tnewman> does need more pictures
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[16:38] <shiftplusone> tnewman: "Figuring out a way to give the Pi access to the contents of /tftpboot is definitely on my list of to-do’s for this guide. "
[16:38] <tnewman> yes?
[16:38] <shiftplusone> a second nfs share, or move the files into the existing rootfs
[16:38] <shiftplusone> and point dnsmasq there
[16:39] <shiftplusone> .... I failed to read context. sorry.
[16:39] <tnewman> hey that sounds super simple
[16:39] <tnewman> no no you totally did
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[16:39] <tnewman> i like that idea a lot more
[16:39] <shiftplusone> Other than that, it seems to cover the topic
[16:40] <tnewman> this guide was pretty closely modeled on the one from raspberrypi.org
[16:40] <shiftplusone> maybe be worth mentioning the option of still having the sdcard but just with bootcode.bin and nothing else
[16:40] <tnewman> having the folder structure match partition scheme
[16:40] <shiftplusone> that should improve reliability
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[16:41] <tnewman> yeah i wasnt sure what the minimum amount of stuff was for /boot
[16:41] <tnewman> oh
[16:41] <tnewman> you mean
[16:41] <tnewman> i might have too much stuff in the /tftpboot dir?
[16:41] <tnewman> but
[16:41] <shiftplusone> no, no, keep tftpboot and everything else as is
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[16:41] <tnewman> mmm
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[16:41] <tnewman> oh ok
[16:42] <shiftplusone> with just bootcode.bin on the sd card, it will still boot off your tftpboot
[16:42] <shiftplusone> but it will add some bug fixes
[16:42] <tnewman> interesting
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[16:42] <shiftplusone> because the netboot functionality is burned into a bootrom on the chip and can't be changed, bug fixes were added to bootcode.bin instead.
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[16:43] <tnewman> oh i see
[16:43] <Zardoz> needs pictures and video
[16:44] <shiftplusone> Kids these days with their lolcats and animated gifs
[16:44] <tnewman> this kind of wizardry should have accompanying evidence
[16:44] <Zardoz> I dont need lolcats]
[16:44] <tnewman> i thought my drawing would be sufficient
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[16:45] <tnewman> well alright shiftplusone i shall try it
[16:45] <Zardoz> block diagrams and charts are good
[16:45] <shiftplusone> evidence shmevidence... some guy on IRC said it, it must be true.
[16:45] <tnewman> lol
[16:46] <Zardoz> tnewman: make it more pro
[16:46] <tnewman> slap a lens flare on it
[16:46] <Zardoz> MS paint
[16:47] <norlevo> I agree, I want it fed into my frontal lobe through video
[16:47] <Zardoz> norlevo: lmao
[16:48] <Zardoz> more VR pls
[16:48] <Zardoz> or 360 video
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[16:50] <tnewman> shiftplusone: alright i've copied contents of /tftpboot into /nfs/client1/boot/
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[16:50] <tnewman> and changed /etc/dnsmasq.conf to use /nfs/client1/boot/
[16:50] <tnewman> also need to edit /etc/fstab
[16:51] <shiftplusone> yeah, make sure fstab doesn't try to mount /boot
[16:51] <shiftplusone> There is one potential issue
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[16:52] <shiftplusone> check if raspi-config still runs... it might refuse to run if /boot isn't a mountpoint.
[16:52] <shiftplusone> (update and upgrade first, because I know some stuff has been changed in that area recently)
[16:53] <tnewman> roger that
[16:55] <tnewman> raspi-config runs
[16:55] <tnewman> i'm sorry
[16:55] <tnewman> i mean it runs now
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[16:56] <tnewman> i unmounted /boot and it starts
[16:56] <tnewman> what should i do to test that?
[16:56] <shiftplusone> that's fine then, that check has been removed
[16:56] <shiftplusone> I think you're all set.
[16:56] <tnewman> weechat is running on my pi at the moment so
[16:56] <tnewman> brb :D
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[16:58] <tnewman> yep it worked :D
[16:59] <tnewman> but
[16:59] <tnewman> i suppose thats not the real test
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[16:59] <shiftplusone> It runs. Ship it.
[16:59] <tnewman> lol
[16:59] <tnewman> what was the file
[16:59] <tnewman> the only one i should need
[17:00] <shiftplusone> bootcode.bin
[17:00] <tnewman> scrollback gone at the moment
[17:00] <tnewman> k
[17:00] <shiftplusone> on a fat32 partition
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[17:07] <tnewman> kick ass shiftplusone
[17:07] <tnewman> only file on boot is that one file
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[17:07] <tnewman> i'll 3 times in a row 100%
[17:08] <tnewman> was never that consistent
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[17:17] <tnewman> not looking forward to updating the guide, but its a worthwhile change
[17:17] <tnewman> streamlines things a bit
[17:18] <tnewman> the only reason i say i'm not looking forward to updating the guide is because i spent most of my day putting it together
[17:18] <tnewman> i just dont wanna do it *now* :D
[17:18] <tnewman> definitely do appreciate the tip shiftplusone <3
[17:18] <tnewman> really tidies things up
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[17:19] <shiftplusone> no worries, glad it's working
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[17:22] <tnewman> yeah me too!
[17:22] <tnewman> does that bootcode.bin get changed very often?
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[17:25] <shiftplusone> hardly ever
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[17:26] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commits/master/boot/bootcode.bin
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[17:29] <tnewman> gotcha
[17:30] <tnewman> would apt-update update that file or thats what rpi-update is for
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[17:32] <tnewman> is rpi-update safe to run?
[17:32] <shiftplusone> rpi-update is for testing new firmware and troubleshooting issues... don't run it unless you know why you're doing it
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[17:33] <shiftplusone> Stable firmware is obtained the same way as all other packages (through apt)
[17:34] <shiftplusone> apt and rpi-update will update your /boot files (among other things), but won't attempt to do anything about a standalone bootcode.bin.
[17:35] <tnewman> rpi-update's almost finished running :D
[17:36] <tnewman> i thought that was standard practice when setting up a pi initially
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[17:37] <shiftplusone> Nope
[17:37] <shiftplusone> It was a few years ago
[17:37] <tnewman> gotcha
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[17:51] <r3> oh I thought it was to update to the most recent *stable*
[17:52] <shiftplusone> nope, just the latest that's on github
[17:52] <shiftplusone> unless you specify BRANCH=stable, but then you get the same thing as you would through apt, without having the files managed by apt... it's an ugly way of doing things if you don't have to
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[18:01] <akk> Any wiringpi experts? I'm using python wiringpi, and wiringpi.wiringPiSetupGpio(); wiringpi.pinMode(12, wiringpi.GPIO.PWM_OUTPUT) is locking up my 0w.
[18:02] <akk> With nothing connected to the 0w, just a power cable.
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[18:02] <Smeef> Need help. I got a 2.4 inch SPI TFT from China, the model number on the back is KMRTM24024-SPI. If I follow the wiring guide and commands in the English translation of this tutorial, https://www.xgadget.de/anleitung/2-2-spi-display-ili9341-am-raspberry-betreiben/, the LED backlight turns on, but I can't get the display to show any graphical output.
[18:03] <r3> shiftplusone: thanks, I will remember that - which package through apt? I'm having a brain cloud
[18:04] <shiftplusone> r3: raspberrypi-kernel, raspberrypi-bootloader and the libraspberrypi ones for the userland.
[18:04] <r3> noted, thanks again
[18:04] <Smeef> This is the output I get when I run the FRAMEBUFFER command: https://pastebin.com/RmFsKdED
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[18:05] <Smeef> A few forum searches tell me that the error is negligible, but it's the only one I'm getting.
[18:05] <Smeef> Unless the video output problem is unrelated to the error
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[18:10] <r3> Smeef: it's wired up backwards? That's the only issue I came across when attempting something similar.
[18:10] <Smeef> r3, I checked the wiring multiple times, I think if it was backwards the LED would not turn on
[18:11] <r3> or your power supply doesn't have enough 'oomph' to power it?
[18:12] <Smeef> Also, not the case :P
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[18:14] <Nauti> I'm having odd behaviour on my RPi I think. All the GPIO pins I'm trying to use are high by default and when I try to change them I get no result or "katt.py:4: RuntimeWarning: This channel is already in use, continuing anyway. Use GPIO.setwarnings(False) to disable warnings.
[18:14] <Nauti> GPIO.setup(25, GPIO.OUT)
[18:14] <Nauti> "
[18:14] <Nauti> Wops, sorry
[18:14] <akk> Hmm, in C wiringpi pinMode(12, PWM_OUTPUT); doesn't lock up, so maybe the python bindings got corrupted somehow.
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[18:17] <r3> Smeef: did you enable the appropriate modules in raspi config?
[18:18] <Smeef> SPI is enabled
[18:19] <Smeef> Pretty sure that's the only thing that was required
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[18:19] <r3> Smeef: and are you using the same OS version as the tutorial? (Jessie)
[18:19] <Smeef> Nope, Stretch
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[18:20] <r3> well that might be something there, I'm no expert, but I might give it a try
[18:20] <r3> just to see what you can see, right?
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[18:27] <akk> Argh, reinstalling the wiringpi via pip didn't cure the lockup.
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[18:47] <akk> I'm trying to dd stretch-lite on top of an old SD card I was using before, and getting an immediate "No space left on device".
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[18:48] <akk> I tried gparted and it had issues with the partition table (I guess the card got corrupted by all my power cycles when wiringpi was locking up)
[18:49] <akk> so I made a new partition table and a new partition, and now gparted is happy with the card but dd still isn't.
[18:49] <akk> Is the card toast? Anyone know a way to recover?
[18:50] <BurtyB> akk, are you sure you're not trying to write it to one of the partitions rather than the whole disk ?
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[18:52] <akk> BurtyB: I'm trying to dd to the whole disk, /dev/sdb.
[18:52] <akk> sudo dd bs=4M if=2017-09-07-raspbian-stretch-lite.img of=/dev/sdb conv=fsync
[18:52] <r3> I would try ddrescue - I did and will never go back to dd
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[18:54] <akk> Hmm, stretch has packages for gddrescue and ddrescueview but not plain ddrescue.
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[18:55] <akk> but the program gddrescue installs is ddrescue, so I guess that's it.
[18:56] <akk> Just ddrescue 2017-09-07-raspbian-stretch-lite.img /dev/sdb ?
[18:56] <shiftplusone> akk: you'd see that if the sd card reader thought there was no card inserted
[18:56] <akk> shiftplusone: I would suspect that except that gparted and /proc/partitions both see the card.
[18:57] <shiftplusone> what does 'file /dev/sdb' say?
[18:57] <akk> /dev/sdb: DOS/MBR boot sector; partition 1 : ID=0xc, start-CHS (0x0,130,3), end-CHS (0x5,214,7), startsector 8192, 85622 sectors; partition 2 : ID=0x83, start-CHS (0x5,220,24), end-CHS (0xe1,120,63), startsector 94208, 3528040 sectors
[18:58] <shiftplusone> aha
[18:58] <shiftplusone> it's a file, not a block device
[18:58] <shiftplusone> meaning you wrote to it when there was no /dev/sdb
[18:58] <akk> Oh, wow, it is.
[18:58] <akk> Thanks, it would have taken me ages to notice that, if I ever did.
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[18:59] <shiftplusone> Been there before... that's how I knew.
[18:59] <akk> Yep, after removing that bogus file, the dd is working.
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[19:05] <gordonDrogon> akk, you need root to use pwm in wiringPi
[19:05] <akk> gordonDrogon: Aha! That's Thanks, I'll see if that solves the problem.
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[19:06] <akk> When I get done reinstalling, since meanwhile I decided maybe it was a jessie problem and I should install stretch on that card, so it'll be ages. :)
[19:06] <akk> (but I needed to do it eventually anyway)
[19:07] <akk> Kind of a bummer that it can't just exit with an error like "You need root" rather than locking up the whole OS.
[19:08] <akk> Wonder if the python bindings have a bug system where I could report that.
[19:10] <r3> akk: yes, gddrescue is the one you want, and the syntax is "sudo ddrescue /dev/DeviceName ImageFileName.img MapFileName.map" to create an image or the reverse, "sudo ddrescue -f ImageFileName.img /dev/DeviceName MapFileName.map"
[19:11] <r3> you'll need the -f if writing to /dev/sdb
[19:12] <akk> Apparently not (on reporting bugs in wiringpi), they have a channel on some app called discord which I guess is yet another chat app.
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[19:15] <bobstro> discord is web-based, essentially a brightly-colored, obnoxious irc with some voice and video services.
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[19:17] <akk> I'm hesitant to sign up for new chat services just to see if anyone's on a channel.
[19:17] <akk> Though I'm willing to sign up for a bug service to report a bug, so maybe it isn't that different.
[19:19] <akk> I guess it seems like little-known chat programs are more likely to be harvesting email addresses for spam than bugzilla installations.
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[19:20] <gordonDrogon> report bugs in wiringPi to me directly ...
[19:20] <akk> Yes, sorry, I meant to say bugs in the python bindings for wiringpi.
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> however not Python bugs - I only do C
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> thats gadgetoid @ pimoroni.
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[19:20] <akk> C wiringpi doesn't lock the system up, only the python bindings.
[19:20] <shauno> (and basic! lol)
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> yea, basic ftw :)
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[19:21] <akk> Would it be kosher to email gadgetoid about this?
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[19:22] <gordonDrogon> who knows - however...
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> firstly make sure you're using the right pin numbering scheme.
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> then - who knows. I'm told wiringPi isn't where it's at these days now - gpiozero for python
[19:23] <akk> I'm pretty sure the pin number is ok because I'm running commands from the pololu/drv8835-motor-driver-rpi library's init function
[19:23] <akk> and I've used that library before and seen it working.
[19:24] <akk> But I do need to do more testing verifying that the same commands work with root, but lock up without root.
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> the issue is when wiringPi tries to program the pwm clock via the /dev/gpiomem interface - it fails, but does something else instead which usually locks up some other gpio and crashes the sd card interface and/or usb.
[19:27] <akk> Interesting.
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> when I release the next version, it'll check for that, however I'm still getting emails from people with wiringPi baked into other projects which report a bug that's now over a year old... if only they hadn't statically linked wiringPi in )-:
[19:28] <akk> Ouch, people are statically linking?
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> pi4j, node.x, the home automation projects, some ups project (that violates the gpl too)
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> etc.
[19:29] <akk> In truth, though, I've had pis that I hardly ever updated, so even with dynamic linking I'd have had very old libraries.
[19:30] <akk> Which doesn't excuse reporting a bug without checking for a newer version.
[19:31] * gordonDrogon sighs.
[19:31] <akk> Speaking of updating: I have this raspbian card I just dd'ed, but I'd like to rsync everything from both partitions of another card
[19:31] <akk> which is updated, configured etc., on top of the new card.
[19:31] <akk> Any reason not to do that?
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> rsync on-top of a live system?
[19:32] <akk> (Rather than waiting several hours for an apt-get dist-upgrade then doing all the manual flipping of settings in raspi-config etc.)
[19:32] <akk> No, not on a live system.
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
[19:32] <akk> With the cards mounted in other linux systems.
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> sure - ought to be fine - I use rsync to clone SDs rather than dd.
[19:32] <akk> Good, that's what I'll do. Thanks.
[19:32] <BurtyB> possibly end up with new and old stuff on the filesystem - I'd just format the partitions and rsync
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> you can use the --delete flag in rsync to avoid that.
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> also use --whole-file which is faster.
[19:33] <BurtyB> ah yeah i forgot about that
[19:34] <akk> Good point about --delete
[19:35] <akk> and I didn't know about --whole-file
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[19:42] <akk> Hmm, except neither of my machines actually allows ssh as root so I need some other way of accessing the files.
[19:43] <akk> Oh, wait, I have a USB microsd reader, so I can mount them both on the same system.
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[19:48] <elim_garak> what is the preferred method to format an sd card on windows ?
[19:49] <elim_garak> the sdcard dot org sites tool? looks a little .. iffy
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[20:00] <pwillard> I use a tool called SDformatter
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> elim_garak, you don't normally need to format the sd card to load raspbian on it.
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> swensson, point your mobile phone at it to make sure the lights come on (assuming they're IR)
[20:02] <elim_garak> gordonDrogon, it already has an os on it, and i need to delete it all and put a new one on it
[20:02] <pwillard> https://sd-card-formatter.en.uptodown.com/windows
[20:02] <elim_garak> can i do it from windows with just the format tool
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> elim_garak, if it's a Pi OS you're putting on it, just use whatever tool to copy directly.
[20:03] <swensson> gordonDrogon, nothing happend.. Feels weird that I don't need to connect the "lights" :O
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> but yes, the standard windows formatter will work, but it may be partitioned.
[20:03] <elim_garak> gordonDrogon, so just delete all files on it currently and copy paste the new?
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[20:04] <gordonDrogon> elim_garak, no - if it's a Pi image you need to use the windows tool to copy the entire image
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> swensson, weird - those look like photocells/LDRs - maybe it needs to be dark to enable the LED?
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[20:05] <elim_garak> gordonDrogon, what windows tool ?
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> elim_garak, not sure - I can look it up for you, but it's on the raspberry pi website - I don't use windows myself.
[20:05] <swensson> gordonDrogon, well it's really dark here ;P
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[20:06] <gordonDrogon> elim_garak, https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/README.md
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> elim_garak, looks like it's called 'etcher' ...
[20:07] <pwillard> Ectcher is nice
[20:07] <Waku> etcher is a good solution and multiplatform
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[20:07] <H4ndy> use etcher or usbit
[20:07] <H4ndy> https://etcher.io/
[20:08] <H4ndy> Etcher is stupidly large but user-friendly
[20:08] <Waku> and it runs as AppImage
[20:08] <elim_garak> appimage =?
[20:10] <Waku> Yes, an AppImage runs "in a box" without installing anything
[20:10] <Waku> I actually run Etcher as AppImage in Linux
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[20:15] <elim_garak> Waku, is this the portable version they offer?
[20:16] <elim_garak> portable == appimage ?
[20:16] <elim_garak> they also offer an installer i see
[20:16] <elim_garak> nope
[20:16] <elim_garak> i see appimage also
[20:16] <elim_garak> portable != appimage
[20:17] <akk> Oops, note to self: resize sdb2 before trying to copy an updated OS to it.
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[20:19] <akk> You'd think resizing a partition wouldn't take long if you're making it bigger (nothing after it), but ...
[20:20] <Waku> elim_garak I can't check if portable=appimage because no windows, but I guess it is
[20:21] <Waku> elim_garak the other option is Installer, so it has to be
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[20:57] <akk> Argh, after all that waiting, the copied SD card doesn't boot. Serial shows it getting as far as:
[20:57] <akk> mmc1: new high speed SDIO card at address 0001
[20:57] <akk> and then it hangs there.
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[20:59] <akk> That's after mmcblk0: mmc0:0007 SD08G 7.41 GiB, then four lines like: mmc1: queuing unknown CIS tuple 0x80 (2 bytes)
[21:00] <akk> Oh, maybe it's just very very slow. After several minutes it has printed one more line on the console, [ 205.042790] random: crng init done
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[21:06] <akk> but then nothing more for >5 minutes. Is there a way to make boot messages more verbose?
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[21:10] <ali1234> you can ignore that line about crng
[21:11] <ali1234> it is just something the kernel does that takes a long time
[21:11] <ali1234> and it happens asynchonously, so when you have a boot problem, it always appears to be the last thing the kernel does
[21:11] <ali1234> it's a complete red herring tho
[21:11] <akk> Yeah, I was guessing that.
[21:11] <akk> I can't figure out how to find out what it's doing, though, or what's going wrong.
[21:12] <bobstro> exit
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[21:12] <bobstro> heh
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[21:13] <akk> Argh, I've spent several hours on this already, I really don't want to start over from the beginning.
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[21:30] <akk> So, on a card that already has one vfat partition, I do: sudo dd bs=4M if=2017-11-29-raspbian-stretch-lite.img of=/dev/sdb conv=fsync
[21:31] <akk> and it takes a long time, and finally finishes
[21:31] <akk> then I eject the card, re-insert it ... and it still has the same vfat partition it had before.
[21:31] <akk> dd apparently didn't write anything.
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[21:35] <akk> dd said "443+0 records out"
[21:35] <bobstro> akk: is this a card that failed before?
[21:35] <bobstro> that sounds like a failed card.
[21:35] <bobstro> they go into RO mode.
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[21:36] <akk> bobstro: I'm not sure. It was previously in my phone, and I replaced it when I had some problems trying to flash lineage
[21:36] <akk> but the filesystem still looks like everything is there.
[21:37] <akk> Android was probably doing something weird on it, but why should that matter when I'm trying to replace everything with dd?
[21:37] <akk> Is there a way I can find out?
[21:37] <bobstro> You can try using the official SD card formatter on it. If it still shows the original partitions, its failed.
[21:37] <bobstro> There are other things suggested, but I've had 3-4 fail like that and have never gotten one back.
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[21:38] <akk> I'll try gparted.
[21:38] <bobstro> It shows the old filesystem and everything appears to work. But if you restart, you find nothing has actually been written.
[21:38] <bobstro> good luck
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[21:39] <bobstro> dd is a pretty definitive test.
[21:40] <akk> It doesn't give any error messages, or anything in dmesg.
[21:40] <akk> Says it's writing.
[21:40] <bobstro> the trick is when you remove it and reinsert it, see if it actually did anything.
[21:40] <bobstro> IME it's a silent failure, insidious.
[21:41] <akk> In gparted, if I try format to->fat16, it says it can't format to encrypted fat16 (I never said anything about encrypted).
[21:41] <akk> I'm trying to format it to ext4 instead.
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[21:41] <bobstro> over-writing an image with dd is pretty definitive.
[21:41] <akk> Nope, that failed too, it still shows the old fat32 filesystem.
[21:41] <bobstro> you could try doing dd if=/dev/zero or something.
[21:41] <bobstro> yep, I'm afraid he'd dead, Jim.
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[21:42] <akk> I think some higher power is telling me I shouldn't use my zero today.
[21:43] <bobstro> Good news is a quality Samsung EVO 32 GB is $10 on Amazon, so... Merry Christmas to you
[21:43] <akk> The boot on the other card, the one I copied with rsync, has been stalled for 30 minutes at "random: crng init done"
[21:43] <bobstro> Bad news is shipping will be slow this week
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[21:43] <akk> I tried to buy my last SD card on amazon. After about 6 weeks I gave up and canceled the order.
[21:43] <bobstro> That doesn't sound promising...
[21:44] <bobstro> I've had good luck with the Samsungs using Prime.
[21:44] <akk> Amazon randomly just decides not to ship things.
[21:44] <bobstro> There's a SanDisk for a couple of bucks less that works.
[21:44] <akk> I used to order everything from amazon but I've given up on them after having that happen twice (once under prime, even).
[21:44] <bobstro> Well, make sure you're ordering it from one of the big boys.
[21:44] <akk> This was "fulfilled by amazon".
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[21:44] <bobstro> Lucky so far here.
[21:44] <akk> I haven't had any problems with other vendors that sell through amazon but do their own shipping.
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[21:50] <extor> So there's two types of pi zeros. One is a wifi one and the other I think a camera one. Any difference between the two besides the obvious? I bought a wifi one but not sure which one to buy next as my second zero. I haven't even opened the first one, just collecting them for now.
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[21:51] <akk> extor: The zero w (the wifi one) has a camera connector.
[21:51] <ali1234> the only difference in current models is with/without wifi and bluetooth
[21:51] <ali1234> there is a discontinued model that had no wifi and bluetooth and also no camera connector
[21:52] <ali1234> but they are really rare
[21:52] <extor> well I was given a choice of two types of zeros and I chose the wifi one.
[21:52] <extor> You're saying the other one was the bad choice?
[21:52] <ali1234> that's the best one
[21:52] <bobstro> If you live near a Microcenter, you can get the W for $5.
[21:52] <ali1234> there is not really any reason to buy the other one except that it is half the price
[21:52] <extor> That's where I got it from bobstro
[21:53] <extor> Err...half the price? As in..$2.50?
[21:53] <bobstro> The W with wifi is a good choice, although the non-W is cheaper anywhere but Microcenter ($5 vs $10) and uses less power. Otherwise, nearly identical.
[21:53] <ali1234> no, microcentre are selling the W at a loss for some reason
[21:53] <akk> Normally the W is $10, the zero non-W is $5.
[21:53] <extor> Uhmm...the cashier neglected to inform me it was $2.50
[21:53] <akk> Except the non-W is usually unavailable.
[21:53] <bobstro> No... the REGULAR price is $10, but you got the Microcenter special of a W for the price of a non-W.
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[21:54] <bobstro> Microcenter locally always seems to have both.
[21:54] <extor> Let me go double check my reciept because I could swear I paid $5 for the wifi one
[21:54] <ali1234> you did, i have heard of this deal before
[21:54] <bobstro> Yes, if you bought it from Microcenter recently, that makes sense.
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[21:54] <bobstro> It also says Zero W on the back
[21:54] <extor> yeah it does say zero w lemme go hunt for the reciept
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[21:55] <bobstro> Just checked and Microcenter still lists both at $5, with the W markes as "on sale".
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[21:56] <bobstro> People that DON'T live near a Microcenter are frustrated, but Microcenter seems to have a steady supply. In-store only, sadly.
[21:56] <extor> yeah said $5
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[21:56] <bobstro> yep, you got the sale price.
[21:56] <extor> When I go for my second pi W they will charge me $10 for it I suppos
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[21:56] <extor> and then $15 for the third one or something?
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[22:18] <akk> I wish microcenter did mailorder.
[22:18] <akk> Such a deal.
[22:19] <BurtyB> but then you'd get people complaining of the postage costs as you do with adafruit
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[22:23] <akk> True.
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[22:24] <akk> Modified wish: I wish they did mailorder and had reasonable shipping rates. :)
[22:26] <akk> Not every place overcharges on shipping. I just ordered some small stuff from jameco and the shipping was reasonable.
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[22:34] <caoliver> Jameco: Now, That's a Name I've Not Heard in a Long Time.
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[22:35] <uriah> gordonDrogon: do you mind if I pm you a link to a GitHub gist? just want to show you what I’ve been up to in private because it isn’t ready yet
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[22:40] <gordonDrogon> uriah, use email if you want to get in-touch.
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[22:41] <uriah> ok
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[22:44] <Smeef> Question: This is a composite display connected to a Pi Zero: https://i.imgur.com/3jcekFL.jpg, I believe the output resolution is set to something like 800x600
[22:44] <Smeef> Obviously the display hardware doesn't have that kind of PPI
[22:44] <Smeef> So how is the software rendering the image?
[22:44] <uriah> gordonDrogon: can you pm me your email?
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> uriah, sorry, no. it's not hard to get my email address though. I don't exactly keep it secret...
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[22:45] <uriah> ok :>
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> go to one of my websites for example.
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> look for the 'contact' page ..
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[22:50] <uriah> gordonDrogon: sent. please keep my identity to yourself ;-)
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[22:56] <gordonDrogon> got it. ah, gentoo, right - maybe one day :)
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[22:59] <uriah> :) these instructions, once including the necessary configuration files and patch, are pretty straight forward
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[23:02] <uriah> and it really only takes #gentoo advice and reading the handbook over twice to get going
[23:02] <uriah> it was my first distribution
[23:03] <uriah> ~16 years ago
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[23:04] <Smeef> Anyone know what's going on regarding my display question?
[23:05] <extor> Did you check for unmarked vans outside on the street?
[23:05] <ali1234> Smeef: hardware scaler resizes it
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[23:06] <Smeef> ali1234: Hardware scaler, so it's not something I can achieve on a cheap TFT connected via SPI?
[23:06] <ali1234> not really
[23:06] <Smeef> Crap
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> if it's composite, then the screen will try its best to display the image.
[23:06] <uriah> extor: funny
[23:06] <ali1234> you can do it in software
[23:07] <Smeef> How?
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> as long as the dot clock isn't outside its range.
[23:07] <ali1234> same way you render anything
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[23:08] <Smeef> Bob Ross videos?
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[23:08] <ali1234> "now draw the rest of the owl"
[23:09] <Smeef> Can I specify/force a resolution in the config.txt file?
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[23:10] <ali1234> yes, as long as it is PAL or NTSC
[23:10] <uriah> extor: when one lives in a city so there’s no point. one could just as easily rent a nearby apartment and spy on the entire neighbourhood more covertly than with unmarked vans
[23:10] <red9> No SECAM then :)
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[23:10] <ali1234> i think it can do SECAM as well
[23:10] <ali1234> i don't know
[23:11] <Smeef> All I have is SPI
[23:11] <ali1234> config.txt is irrelevant then
[23:12] <Smeef> There are some dtparam lines I added to config.txt just to get the display to light up when the Pi is powered on
[23:13] <Smeef> I still have to run sudo FRAMEBUFFER... command via SSH to get the desktop UI running
[23:13] <Smeef> I added it to rc.local, but it still doesn't auto-start
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[23:15] <Smeef> The full line is: sudo FRAMEBUFFER=/dev/fb1 startx
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[23:19] <extor> uriah, I think it's fairly expensive to rent an apt compared to parking a van
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[23:37] <uriah> extor: maybe not considering the amount of parking tickets you amass
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